From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 09:20:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309403BE80; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e0d4f6f6-a8da-4dc3-af66-73ea9a8b916d_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.123.148] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:20:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2009 09:20:27.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[71DA9BF0:01CA2AE5] Resent-Message-ID: <2jeZBB.A.NKE.ddOnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:20:29 +0000 (UTC) --_e0d4f6f6-a8da-4dc3-af66-73ea9a8b916d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings of= your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quite a= cceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well shor= t of expectations whilst just listening. g > Date: Mon=2C 31 Aug 2009 09:58:53 -0700 > Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM g= uitarists) > From: biffoz@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Per wrote . . . > > He=2C he... and I have sometimes been thinking that I maybe hear too mu= ch structures in plain noise. =3B-)) >=20 > I find that my favorite loops are sometimes very eccentric and have a > "limp" and often don't sound like they're worth even trying to play > with them=97but in the process of letting them cycle for awhile=2C I star= t > getting used to the wobble and as I play along=2C I find myself adapting > and finally playing fairly seamlessly over them. (No comment on my > ability to do this "live"!) >=20 > > Somehow I think it is not so much about talent but rather about trust = and attitude. If you trust in the process it will reward you. But if you ju= st feed a fraction of disbelief in your mind the music will not reveal a st= ructure for you to play with. Another wonderful aspect is that if you do no= t try hard=2C a lot of elements will fall into the right places. It really = is the power of non-strength. >=20 > A zen-like acceptance seems to be the most important factor for me. > Doubt is the enemy. Due to situational disturbances in my life over > the past decade=2C I've been fighting my own battles with doubt=2C but > might just be starting to feel like I'm readu to interact more=2C but > don't quote me on that! 8-) >=20 > --=20 > Miko Biffle > Biffoz@Gmail.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" >=20 _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_e0d4f6f6-a8da-4dc3-af66-73ea9a8b916d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings of= your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quite a= cceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well shor= t of expectations whilst just listening.

g

>=3B Date: Mon= =2C 31 Aug 2009 09:58:53 -0700
>=3B Subject: Re: Composition &=3B I= mprovisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists)
>=3B From: bif= foz@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B <= br>>=3B Per wrote . . .
>=3B >=3B He=2C he... and I have sometimes= been thinking that I maybe hear too much structures in plain noise. =3B-))=
>=3B
>=3B I find that my favorite loops are sometimes very ecce= ntric and have a
>=3B "limp" and often don't sound like they're worth = even trying to play
>=3B with them=97but in the process of letting the= m cycle for awhile=2C I start
>=3B getting used to the wobble and as I= play along=2C I find myself adapting
>=3B and finally playing fairly = seamlessly over them. (No comment on my
>=3B ability to do this "live= "!)
>=3B
>=3B >=3B Somehow I think it is not so much about ta= lent but rather about trust and attitude. If you trust in the process it wi= ll reward you. But if you just feed a fraction of disbelief in your mind th= e music will not reveal a structure for you to play with. Another wonderful= aspect is that if you do not try hard=2C a lot of elements will fall into = the right places. It really is the power of non-strength.
>=3B
>= =3B A zen-like acceptance seems to be the most important factor for me.
= >=3B Doubt is the enemy. Due to situational disturbances in my life over=
>=3B the past decade=2C I've been fighting my own battles with doubt= =2C but
>=3B might just be starting to feel like I'm readu to interact= more=2C but
>=3B don't quote me on that! 8-)
>=3B
>=3B --=
>=3B Miko Biffle
>=3B Biffoz@Gmail.com
>=3B "Running scare= d from all the usual distractions!"
>=3B

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Add them now. = --_e0d4f6f6-a8da-4dc3-af66-73ea9a8b916d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 09:43:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DCAA3BE7E; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32771.43283.bm@omp102.mail.re3.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eHJyfQv/P+Sz5xjBd3ujUt+BoTtxCh1PFrZ1oRYZJAJE3pxb5FmjC0hBP/mpH9/Qk8Gg5P+GNj6fF8qVRLK3ad/sTJSeaqX7Z9MbyNMCnfU+kr0jsDNZqCWtIqXxrF0OYexNJJXYxV/FJ3lg90RH8BXjcmI8ffokvkSY+zKPeJk= ; X-Yahoo-SMTP: WBt4mSyswBDpxh822Hmhi17KXRjnw4GqCQ-- X-YMail-OSG: 2zuq544VM1n2SL.V.q3Bts7ZPmA9Xq4t4thzmIH.9.jzB1hvp6IJvroJJexuI4L8rELI9JR9fnE.pOEbfSZBAFZainP0k9PMxYq._n_9YxO.0p9t3YY6QQQ4YsSzq5FtKC.1eyrgA0gvHwJ3ELd5rRitoLxG.wvAmrY_AgDAcMxZBw7gGUkvZI0vqZeOdv17weDUgf.jD8UE7FkwOM8BoI8D5xVQlPCaOJSrcJUzHuOOCzTSnMeJGyvpPO2tBKJV8YGkdghnl4HWdgmEwobanrcb2kDKkZm14Jm5Aj9QJlMjMcbEWPBICRbhijtuBZbyy9qbKnmBLKdPbKghxCDsQsoCZ7SzcGRA7Q3IPJS1JzckCPZ757qJt7gZrMvWUHCPlt9Zug-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> From: "Ruelle Benoit" To: Subject: new looper from Roland Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:41:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Don't expect a corrected version of the RC50, it's -just- a singers edition of the RC20XL: See it here: http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=ve-20 greetings from Belgium, Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 10:33:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 315593BE79; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ON0bR6FAErS5BzxCAjbnJvGdtA/yAz7M/w83F1yIY7U=; b=V3/PDK48n0eTCbnxxYQvn9R92Ww8mIDJaiEIRsvCThQEO20Vq4EkFY/c2MXEUB/+2u fjuXtOI4C6G5WSE86CjGiOT1D89zmWF0E1ThaeCmlxNOmhmdv7OxEYT7PyBR1QW06Xvv 6/TP7LFODVCHb/0co6lCBmqnPBsDbVzBsjVzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Po4X3GrQ9zgeogEXicE9FVhN9hBYogcfm7AjgZsD0vlMLD0Qge6jNEr+iVEhFeCvIc TQuEhF4NvYzOf0lwSM75+ityqyn8SxO65L7zmR94oROlbhYtwOsZf0G77ksxEnXTgKyn S1HktAagv6Py/5qLZ4YahqACE76B8Z+1UUHsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:33:09 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings = of > your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quite > acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell well sho= rt > of expectations whilst just listening. I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and experience the energy as it happens. But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording. Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording! http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991 People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes, but it is more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key. One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure! This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players follow or avoid the structure, there is always a structure as a musical backbone because music can not exist without being about something, expressing something. If there isn't a structure, expression, direction, movement... well, then the musicians simply play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? ;-) l-o-l For the record; I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread. Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=C3=BCrich Looping Festival I I found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well prepared to sound great, arranged with defined areas for improvisation to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if "playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different energy than the improvisational flow IMHO. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 11:13:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54AB33BE79; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1539 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:13:40 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UR6v3HFankFKoRBKUUhOpBAnTEYjpRrhwBFPZitw0Ow=; b=kc5PHpDuNERZyrIofzFnWQFNywLGI77TNx0nvAXjbtONwhQ1xGuUOHg3/WQPCu0mRJ nSVDcbHGrDXa3vi278XNkwJqYxIf+3K861I3oCzR+T99qY/r64p2aDU8JueXU3vjJyB4 5IDl9fR0MM5uaI5D+05fuIY3v1+wDdj4zp3UQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iCyppnEvYL5GGwm89YmKs6CwK2SVNW0Zr65v/AaYnlNW8OWvjJmyGXTYNHVdXvW+qd Irct4kQr3wqm/J7BxyRC3/N5tFgtwUGfU5Xv8YFSzEcFqInfIYt/SOnOTb/qbqvRjlkZ ijASeBUAY410PY+3d0Y935XD4TGUpkU3Xkqv4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: arne@skage.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:48:00 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: EDP w LoopIV for sale Norway From: "Arne R. 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Arne --001485f2774e521a7c047281e213-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 11:30:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 277123BE7C; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9e6e5c32-609f-4fd3-934f-643eb9b5addc_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.123.148] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:30:08 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2009 11:30:08.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FA67520:01CA2AF7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:30:09 +0000 (UTC) --_9e6e5c32-609f-4fd3-934f-643eb9b5addc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good points Per.=20 This whole thing follows on from a discussion I was having with my wife on = recordings that seem to be endlessly playable=2C (I'm thinking of some clas= sic Zeppelin=2C Tangerine Dream etc). The way they recorded was to play liv= e together then maybe add some overdubs as opposed to today's recordng tech= niques of laying tracks down singly=2C (unless it's jazz). I love the fresh= ness and energy of some of this material and I'd lke to keep that in my own= work but condense it down to the really magc parts. The notion of a perfor= mance just for that moment and not to be recorded is an interestng one that= I hadn't thought of though. Thanks for that. I shall mull it over... Thank= s for the compliment too Per :-) G > Date: Tue=2C 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200 > Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM g= uitarists) > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Tue=2C Sep 1=2C 2009 at 11:20 AM=2C Gareth > Whittock wrote: > > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recording= s of > > your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were quit= e > > acceptable while I was playing them=2C only to fell that they fell well= short > > of expectations whilst just listening. >=20 > I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the > best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and > experience the energy as it happens. >=20 > But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording. > Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording! > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991 >=20 > People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although > I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in > there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in > improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when > you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite > in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component > that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa > is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes=2C but it is > more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty > percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key. >=20 > One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure! > This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players > follow or avoid the structure=2C there is always a structure as a > musical backbone because music can not exist without being about > something=2C expressing something. If there isn't a structure=2C > expression=2C direction=2C movement... well=2C then the musicians simply > play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better > mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions > when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? =3B-) l-o-l >=20 > For the record=3B I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread. > Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=FCrich Looping Festival I I > found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well > prepared to sound great=2C arranged with defined areas for improvisation > to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if > "playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different > energy than the improvisational flow IMHO. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com >=20 _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_9e6e5c32-609f-4fd3-934f-643eb9b5addc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good points Per.
This whole thing follows on from a discussion I was ha= ving with my wife on recordings that seem to be endlessly playable=2C (I'm = thinking of some classic Zeppelin=2C Tangerine Dream etc). The way they rec= orded was to play live together then maybe add some overdubs as opposed to = today's recordng techniques of laying tracks down singly=2C (unless it's ja= zz). I love the freshness and energy of some of this material and I'd lke t= o keep that in my own work but condense it down to the really magc parts. T= he notion of a performance just for that moment and not to be recorded is a= n interestng one that I hadn't thought of though. Thanks for that. I shall = mull it over... Thanks for the compliment too Per :-)

G

>= =3B Date: Tue=2C 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200
>=3B Subject: Re: Compositi= on &=3B Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists)
>= =3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
>=3B
>=3B On Tue=2C Sep 1=2C 2009 at 11:20 AM=2C Gareth
= >=3B Whittock<=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B= I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings o= f
>=3B >=3B your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I t= hught were quite
>=3B >=3B acceptable while I was playing them=2C on= ly to fell that they fell well short
>=3B >=3B of expectations whils= t just listening.
>=3B
>=3B I agree. Listenening to recordings o= f live improvised music isn't the
>=3B best way of enjoying it. Better= standing their in the room and
>=3B experience the energy as it happe= ns.
>=3B
>=3B But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it = into a recording.
>=3B Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a grea= t live jam recording!
>=3B http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php= ?id=3D5991
>=3B
>=3B People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a g= reat jam band" but although
>=3B I have been listening to some live re= corded stuff I don't find in
>=3B there much of the communicative sens= ibility I tend to like in
>=3B improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" i= s a bad example? I like it when
>=3B you clearly hear how musicians ar= e looking for common ground to unite
>=3B in harmony or even being obs= tructive and destroying every component
>=3B that could have caused "g= ood music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa
>=3B is a nice take on co= mposing and arranging those processes=2C but it is
>=3B more fun IMHO = to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty
>=3B percent of t= he notes fall outside the proper scale/key.
>=3B
>=3B One import= ant point is that improvisation definitely needs structure!
>=3B This = is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players
>=3B fol= low or avoid the structure=2C there is always a structure as a
>=3B mu= sical backbone because music can not exist without being about
>=3B so= mething=2C expressing something. If there isn't a structure=2C
>=3B ex= pression=2C direction=2C movement... well=2C then the musicians simply
&= gt=3B play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better=
>=3B mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasi= ons
>=3B when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? =3B-) = l-o-l
>=3B
>=3B For the record=3B I totally get Garteh's initial= point in this thread.
>=3B Hearing his wonderful concert back at the = Z=FCrich Looping Festival I I
>=3B found it especially cool that the m= usic he performed on duo was well
>=3B prepared to sound great=2C arra= nged with defined areas for improvisation
>=3B to take off. I look at = that as related to how you work with pop or if
>=3B "playing for fans = when having records out". It brings a different
>=3B energy than the i= mprovisational flow IMHO.
>=3B
>=3B Greetings from Sweden
>= =3B
>=3B Per Boysen
>=3B www.boysen.se
>=3B www.perboysen.c= om
>=3B

View your other email accounts from your Hotma= il inbox. Add them now. = --_9e6e5c32-609f-4fd3-934f-643eb9b5addc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 11:43:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9F93BE7E; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6uKq8KjOEd77FdSJY2pCI1j4dZrkTxH8/3WhBKoYCDk=; b=RVF6PJSrZXBQ4goFP/WTB2iCCoMcxg7f4/Y5zUwlQLSDU475+IPehzFnhAYN5D+73Y GHQPfvC5b9J4gbOL+O5cGdpk+kuF5PhgmQCztpsiNBPiCQG5Vmjzv6L7Sz0MaKE6AV02 ayp4hIpn+Uyz4/1vt/ve7igKqRPqBHNBgwMWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wg7BVaBnhrHKE2cXXE8GOGXK+v5MEIWURo9a2IouGEYndUDQZFobwedmKcXMG0y0ow /hU6hWD/rVyYw7wzrmASWA+Lzvu+pbT4FfrgbR71zVzENIyD6M4rBQ+aRgdWwRw3PEGw Et2UNE1VHqhPUF8XKRtsb+nIhfZ7MSpLKurlc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909010443h423f60b6se8d9653b6036fc05@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Just a fun thought relating to this thread: Yesterday I was at a studio to play "a guitar solo". The guy put the part of the song in cycle mode and said "you're on, Mate - go ahead". From a musical performance point of view that's just a totally perverse method! Which the situation did prove ;-)) We stopped, I had a listen to the part for three times and then made sparse first-take that was hundred times better then I would even come close by following the "DAW context" of recording lots of crap in cycle mode and have some poor bastard spend the night up trying to splice together scattered samples into something that might tell some kind of story ;-)) Cycle recording might be good to build up backing vocal layers, though. Besides, didn't The Beatles play six nights a week for two years before even beginning writing their own songs and record them! Obviously that approach was quite successful. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Gareth Whittock w= rote: > Good points Per. > This whole thing follows on from a discussion I was having with my wife o= n > recordings that seem to be endlessly playable, (I'm thinking of some clas= sic > Zeppelin, Tangerine Dream etc). The way they recorded was to play live > together then maybe add some overdubs as opposed to today's recordng > techniques of laying tracks down singly, (unless it's jazz). I love the > freshness and energy of some of this material and I'd lke to keep that in= my > own work but condense it down to the really magc parts. The notion of a > performance just for that moment and not to be recorded is an interestng = one > that I hadn't thought of though. Thanks for that. I shall mull it over... > Thanks for the compliment too Per :-) > > G > >> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:33:08 +0200 >> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM >> guitarists) >> From: perboysen@gmail.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Gareth >> Whittock wrote: >> > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordin= gs >> > of >> > your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were qui= te >> > acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell well >> > short >> > of expectations whilst just listening. >> >> I agree. Listenening to recordings of live improvised music isn't the >> best way of enjoying it. Better standing their in the room and >> experience the energy as it happens. >> >> But sometimes the "improvisation energy" makes it into a recording. >> Check out Kulu Se Mama for an example of a great live jam recording! >> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D5991 >> >> People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although >> I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in >> there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in >> improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when >> you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite >> in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component >> that could have caused "good music" to form. The Grand Wazoo by Zappa >> is a nice take on composing and arranging those processes, but it is >> more fun IMHO to hear it done by improvisation - even though fifty >> percent of the notes fall outside the proper scale/key. >> >> One important point is that improvisation definitely needs structure! >> This is not saying the music needs structure. No matter if players >> follow or avoid the structure, there is always a structure as a >> musical backbone because music can not exist without being about >> something, expressing something. If there isn't a structure, >> expression, direction, movement... well, then the musicians simply >> play bad and should immediately stop to start a new piece in a better >> mode. Eh... maybe you're post hints at those embarrassing occasions >> when playing is bad and for some reason doesn't stop? ;-) l-o-l >> >> For the record; I totally get Garteh's initial point in this thread. >> Hearing his wonderful concert back at the Z=C3=BCrich Looping Festival I= I >> found it especially cool that the music he performed on duo was well >> prepared to sound great, arranged with defined areas for improvisation >> to take off. I look at that as related to how you work with pop or if >> "playing for fans when having records out". It brings a different >> energy than the improvisational flow IMHO. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> > > ________________________________ > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 13:16:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81DC3BE77; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1994 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:16:21 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zGU3x9PfpaASAIM7G2AsdjrBXxLYQ3pb/dZM21XmEXs=; b=Kf71PdL4P/4MUIHrmUaFgx1aBM7FizBar76fWqQ2/Us7YJLhl22saaEOrPn4U4WwaR z61IqrVIJa6oKXoiIIttfcPefNEEnGeqRNI429B0nb8qfoZzmGKel3xBW2YN0Fua8fGA VG/a951XnMI7SjtCJ6svxbeDTHSy6Hza+Kbmc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TrHn6xtpDIr9l6M0mRV+ihBammgYjNeLUEcu+DOqdtGG8QeIINCVTy/SG4GqqK/iEg wM1KUltIe5wQmAeZS7tieKl8HizxYlCWZQd0gnBwl4099j/81kWI2FlGiVAqgn0IUxWG expGxyzy9jq+9q/Li54EVfdWehwosMG+tpYJc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3f8d9ee60908271042k476b5562yec0e2b9e065fbfdc@mail.gmail.com> References: <951513.61651.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <2871c3a90908271023w12e2c70ctfc3903ec5d514b19@mail.gmail.com> <3f8d9ee60908271042k476b5562yec0e2b9e065fbfdc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:43:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2871c3a90909010543v564fd949v1680a549c5778317@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:16:21 +0000 (UTC) > You also talk about cultural starvation - are you aware of how many > albums are released every day? You could spend your whole life > listening to music, never listening to the same album twice. And I am > talking about masterpieces of art, not fast food. :-) I believe I said stagnation, not starvation. My concern is more with innovation and being allowed to build on what has come before you, since I don't belive you can create out of nothing. What if someone has, in their head, the best Batman story ever told? Right now he can write it down and share it with friends. He can also pass it down to their kids, grand-kids and so on. Eventually, maybe, someone will be able to publish it. I don't want to deprive creators of their rights, but if someone can write the best Batman story ever told, I want to read it. The link below is to an article published yesterday that presents a view akin to my own. The author does a better job of presenting his ideas than I did... http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/ Sylvain On 8/27/09, Milo wrote: > The protection of copyright beyond the artists' life is in place so > that his/her family is protected after his/her death. It was designed > as a backup social protection for the art worker and his/her children, > because most art workers are not superstars and they are living a > normal life as you all know, I am sure. > > When you are a businessman, you own your business and its capital. If > you suddenly die, your family inherits it. This is a choice of society > as well. > > Do big corporations exploit the laws? Of course they do! But can you > please point to the direction of a multinational corporation that is > not exploiting a law nowadays? > > We can either abolish property completely or not. The middle way, the > easy way, is the post modern capitalism we live in, crushing the > people in favor of corporations. > > Pirate Bay is a corporation - a multimillion dollar one. Their shares > are available for sale in the stock markets. How many dollars have > those businessmen invested in art? Zero. How many artists have those > businessmen assisted financially? Zero. > > You also talk about cultural starvation - are you aware of how many > albums are released every day? You could spend your whole life > listening to music, never listening to the same album twice. And I am > talking about masterpieces of art, not fast food. :-) > > On 8/27/09, Sylvain Poitras wrote: > >What we have now, is a bit of > > perversion of that original intent where copyrights extend beyond the > > life of the original creator... The aime of many rights holders is to > > keep the works indefinitely out of the public domain by introducing > > slight variations, re-issues and so on to renew the copyright to their > > benefit, but to the detriment of everyone else. > > > > To see how absurd this is, imagine if patents worked the same way and > > never ended up in the public sphere... (not tha patent laws are > > perfect) > > > > If, like me, you believe there is no creatio ex nihilo, being deprived > > of building on what has come before us can only lead to cultural > > stagnation. > > > > Sylvain > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 13:27:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D8E83BE81; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nCwCpmJQzqjvh87BVtGVmODAsVwzpBAkFkYtOCxYieM=; b=r0zcjUqriRRMyXA4lBuZDaOmNL1In6aSto0Gz3ulblVPlpegRbOO+NR+0XAqOGqMT9 wTLw8K4TAVmybG5TaPs0k0LfXKInP+TGOtms9SaCwUktElwPeFJEnTS12gOmp7Axid0x UarTvUZgnSZNr+E//4bOSbUeOGLsKblgwl1KI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Qbb79FdhTpd2HL24mTk9BUxE+jsehme9hEysI/YvlHEgenE6SD7th76e1q/1SU5KNr woc3duqaEQ7nqLVpScS2YM3muNq/WXKZdywGrrer4uttxBk+kElvPkriu1ULcry+roXq qFM0uB8dp4rvLKz3w9nfUk4dnit5k3r6FPNyo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0909010333v39d6911dxad564e65cffe4e87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:27:50 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cb2f245bf0063389 Message-ID: <101191640909010627v1d02a057v869bdceae1531f47@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:27:51 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > People talk about The Greatful Dead as "a great jam band" but although > I have been listening to some live recorded stuff I don't find in > there much of the communicative sensibility I tend to like in > improvised music. So maybe "The Dead" is a bad example? I like it when > you clearly hear how musicians are looking for common ground to unite > in harmony or even being obstructive and destroying every component > that could have caused "good music" to form. I'm not a "deadhead" so I'm not familiar with the vast board archives or most of the post-1980 recordings, however, I still rate Live Dead as a stellar example of interaction in music. As the instrumental sections between the songs start moving towards their "close", you can definitely hear the dialog - almost conflict, or a debate - in the guitars as Weir tries to take the music in one direction, Garcia in another, etc. I haven't heard any other Dead recording that comes close to this - they started to play much shorter songs immediately afterwards - but of course, my exposure is limited. But this recording is an absolute must-hear if you're unfamiliar with it. -- Warren Sirota Destroyer of Keyboards http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 13:28:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272473BE8C; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 251880885/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngBALe+nEpPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI3CeEGwWKdQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,312,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="251880885" Message-ID: <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:28:53 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:28:08 +0000 (UTC) hmm.. I think it may be that the performer is the least able person to judge the quality of a performance that they just completed. Especially if there's improvised content. I became aware of this when I recorded 2 different versions of a similar structured improv at 2 different venues during the Y2K5 festival in California. The version that was exciting at the time seemed weak and meandering on playback, whereas the performance that felt like going through the motions produced a recording which I thought was full of energy as well as being compositionally attractive. ...and of course, I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings after every performance I saw ;-) Then again. a performance isn't just the sound that gets recorded. (and often, there's sounds that weren't going through the pa that don't get onto the recording). A live performance is perhaps enough of a social ritual that the music itself is only part of what makes it work. Sometimes what works well as a live performance needs a bit of editing to make a listenable recording...sometimes the whole thing works better as a memory. a Gareth Whittock wrote: > I'm curious as to what you think when you guys listen back to recordings > of your own performances. I've recorded some jams which I thught were > quite acceptable while I was playing them, only to fell that they fell > well short of expectations whilst just listening. > > g From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 13:58:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 267D63BE7E; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DQ8BmtUax8SxEJA/NYHBLNb6uJ5m+nwb3BUo/RRWikA=; b=pdHBEYMeA7+JTQMSZdN+HOQBWLIzr5etogpaavjbz+I5KMCJSipaPxFSeGuxWjfCaW TdpEkXT71/0jsUKMKUF+ZN0cjFkn9bSvElxLaj9Njc/2TbIz7MvP6x2dTBKVl2+ZM3yf zhDn7HCkQ0esAgEHUZFOPoxRNOSwrfwxshmjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nGWUCg6cbdDjh41YaDeeDEVs1KvvOItKmuGtlXVBLxGOsXiYS3lYuoin3FmHelqcRQ sHBLWiNex3ZB6Qt23K06pAJKqFxE1QQb0xNy56p8Ab1FlVE+gS38AAJGVuDLcVHbpboh gKPlt69Jma1w3MkhIx4mDDalb+QP0w8QFp6P4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:58:14 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e6ae8a3f5919afe9 Message-ID: <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-yAZ6D.A.k0.2hSnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:58:15 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM, andy butler wrote: > hmm.. > I think it may be that the performer is the least > able person to judge the quality of a performance that they > just completed. Especially if there's improvised content. > I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. Well, that's not exactly true. I can recognize crap and really boring parts immediately (some of you may dispute that based on the evidence of my work). But there's a lot of music that I make that is just on that line where I'm not sure. It sounds nice, it flows, but is it distinctive? Why *shouldn't* I just throw it away? Those can be hard questions to answer without distance. > > Then again. a performance isn't just the sound that gets recorded. > (and often, there's sounds that weren't going through the pa that > =A0don't get onto the recording). > A live performance is perhaps enough of a social ritual that the > music itself is only part of what makes it work. > Sometimes what works well as a live performance needs a bit of > editing to make a listenable recording...sometimes the whole > thing works better as a memory. > Hard to argue with any of that - I think it's an excellent perspective to remember. --=20 Warren Destroyer of Keyboards http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 14:01:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D87BD3BE8E; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z6yP0XqE9MeofldpH36C4dXf07XYwHbZcixAr/lqQdI=; b=A9gqGJ4b5IBq0GjLkvGtJcy35BqVB4Ov1OFCofGwR4pLBMPnD3BiATc1oEgcyREvMt 9ECcHX26tQLHAjes7qbxXjmTFn8mokDELc27h2Azs5rSWM2Ywlg1b30KS8Qmvqp49rJK ryTA2ai+favi+N3l7O1M7fRAe9oGCdSQ0RJZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=wnziMlxPwEpz3lg/xBhK/X8GrAuBu5dbuo7zamDW4AzBOXqn71UFsOdgL1PUYOXmxu 8h/kY52P3HhPohnqhgF8RgQ5RT/qe/TSPnAqxXNonnCxsSbFSTk7nw9P9Y+zNnHKcMDK Q2N54Ju5EOZalD7VB9Ko4KL2hBpVl1ww7tm/c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:01:54 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1775941d791dd19b Message-ID: <101191640909010701jfb54166ye06a078a7b5e2711@mail.gmail.com> Subject: PS: people's perceptions From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163616421fce9f6a04728497a7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:01:55 +0000 (UTC) --00163616421fce9f6a04728497a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I received this charming note from a friend of mine about my recent piece, http://warrensirota.com/solostuff/y2k9sAcomin.mp3: *Well done Warren - It's rather hard to imagine how you did that and especially how you did it so smoothly. I liked the over all grove but didn't like what the guitar sound morphed into. The only guitar sound I liked was the very opening. Much of the rest of it sounded like electronic problems (coming from bad instrument cords or bad connections) that I have had to try and figure out how to remedy during recording or live sound. And to be perfectly honest, this did not make me feel good - but that is probably just a reflection of musical taste - you are into experimental music, I am not. I guess it's just a reflection of being an old person now, but, I do tend to be drawn to music that is soothing or beautiful to me, music is really about being transported to some place I want to go and I didn't want to go where Y2K9 took me. But, don't worry, I am not a just totally into musical pap - smooth jazz (with some exceptions) doesn't really do it for me very much either. But there is no question about it - there are, no doubt, a lot of people (younger, I would guess) who would really dig this. Have fun at the looper festival. I'm sure that looping works as well as learning a new foreign language in staving off dementia. *My answer: *Interesting comments. Thanks for listening despite your lack of connection with the style. It's true that in this dimension of my playing I am getting into grittier and grittier guitar sounds. I really think of what I'm doing as a progression of textures, and I tend to judge the music, for myself, on the basis of "does the pacing serve to focus my attention on the textures without boring me" and "how do the moments of the piece flow into one another - whether smoothly or dramatically, are the transitions competent and interesting?" For me, this piece rates pretty high on those measures, and I would say that it's the most compelling continuous unedited narrative that I've come up with in a long time (the other pieces that you've heard recently had at least some slicing and dicing involved). It gives me hope that my live performance at the festival will be better than ever. It's not that I won't be making "beautiful" looping music - but I start each piece with a concept of the palette of sounds I might use and the tech tricks I might play to keep the loop evolving. Some palettes seem more, uh... "tasteful" than others, but it's just a question of the mood of the moment for me. And which guitar I pick up. I haven't had any feedback other than you from the dozen or so people I sent this out to - I wouldn't be too surprised if many feel like you. On the loopers' list, reactions are more enthusiastic. When I play for/with a younger set, reactions are also enthusiastic. But, while I enjoy this and am most certainly an attention slut, I long ago found that individuals' reactions to a piece of music, positive or negative, rarely have much relationship to how I conceive or rate it myself. OTOH, I find myself utterly unable to sit and watch a traditional jazz group anymore without being completely numbed. Head, sax solo, piano solo, bass solo, drum solo, head, repeat until exhausted. If there are vocals involved, it's usually a different story. The very concept of soloing just seems - I don't know, misguided or something - to me at this point. So I guess you don't want to come down to Santa Cruz and hang out at the looping festival :-) Anyway, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for your honest reactions. Maybe you'll like the next one better.* --00163616421fce9f6a04728497a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received this charming note from a friend of mine about my recent piece, = http://warren= sirota.com/solostuff/y2k9sAcomin.mp3:

Well done Warren - It&#= 39;s rather hard to imagine how you did that and especially how you did it = so smoothly.
I liked the over all grove but didn't like what the guitar sound morphe= d into. =A0The only guitar sound I liked was the very opening. =A0Much of t= he rest of it sounded like electronic problems (coming from bad instrument = cords or bad connections) that I have had to try and figure out how to reme= dy during recording or live sound.

And to be perfectly honest, this did not make me feel good - but that i= s probably just a reflection of musical taste - you are into experimental m= usic, I am not. =A0I guess it's just a reflection of being an old perso= n now, but, I do tend to be drawn to music that is soothing or beautiful to= me, music is really about being transported to some place I want to go and= I didn't want to go where Y2K9 took me. =A0But, don't worry, I am = not a just totally into musical pap - smooth jazz (with some exceptions) do= esn't really do it for me very much either. =A0But there is no question= about it - there are, no doubt, a lot of people (younger, I would guess) w= ho would really dig this.

Have fun at the looper festival. =A0I'm sure that looping works as = well as learning a new foreign language in staving off dementia.

My answer:
Interesting comments.

Thanks for listening despite your lack of connection with the style.
It's true that in this dimension of my playing I am getting into
grittier and grittier guitar sounds. I really think of what I'm doing as a progression of textures, and I tend to judge the music, for
myself, on the basis of "does the pacing serve to focus my attention on the textures without boring me" and "how do the moments of the=
piece flow into one another - whether smoothly or dramatically, are
the transitions competent and interesting?" For me, this piece rates pretty high on those measures, and I would say that it's the most
compelling continuous unedited narrative that I've come up with in a long time (the other pieces that you've heard recently had at least
some slicing and dicing involved). It gives me hope that my live
performance at the festival will be better than ever.

It's not that I won't be making "beautiful" looping music= - but I
start each piece with a concept of the palette of sounds I might use
and the tech tricks I might play to keep the loop evolving. Some
palettes seem more, uh... "tasteful" than others, but it's ju= st a
question of the mood of the moment for me. And which guitar I pick up.
<= br> I haven't had any feedback other than you from the dozen or so people I sent this out to - I wouldn't be too surprised if many feel like
you. On the loopers' list, reactions are more enthusiastic. When I
play for/with a younger set, reactions are also enthusiastic. But,
while I enjoy this and am most certainly an attention slut, I long ago
found that individuals' reactions to a piece of music, positive or
negative, rarely have much relationship to how I conceive or rate it
myself.

OTOH, I find myself utterly unable to sit and watch a traditional jazz
group anymore without being completely numbed. Head, sax solo, piano
solo, bass solo, drum solo, head, repeat until exhausted. If there are
vocals involved, it's usually a different story. The very concept of soloing just seems - I don't know, misguided or something - to me at this point.

So I guess you don't want to come down to Santa Cruz and hang out at the looping festival :-)

Anyway, I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for
your honest reactions. Maybe you'll like the next one better.
--00163616421fce9f6a04728497a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 14:50:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23EDA3BE78; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wO7oDZ3NOtoA:10 a=hAHGpehFIhf5AOXdKioA:9 a=bdctZ9AzqaoCLYCcawtGyyfMGtwA:4 Message-Id: <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:50:35 -0700 References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: <3Og9jC.A.WlC.ATTnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:50:41 +0000 (UTC) I'm with you on that one Warren. If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months. It's extremely rare for me to like much of anything I've done immediately afterwards. But I think I'll stop there before my comments begin to meander down some psycho-depressive rabbit hole. I've been working on trying to change that by reading books like Kenny Werner's. But I've had only limited success. On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised > or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 14:59:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E2CB3BE73; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TwrUEsn17CCdHsewSvTn/nQLdO/ekK9B8TB6J6zWB8Q=; b=nzU4QDF2xMVqU1POVduyAJ3oKxJPulohkYdBxvQzyspjZwWLgKm+xq0GhdoHjB4cbn qIjGzSN2cUWFRILK6FJlpj7rFFZtxWW3qEgJphiHSlMO6P1mCdhQX83xgL+q7v7mZ6fS WkZuXZ2LtbEnEzSZqLbz6zVbvL155xqa7ENbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kTBNL27nAKajNhaZvG2vQakUpaSdieGs+J1x1GvKOQzBoulthQ7+biW/jPCak98/Xc dZ7jC1yqLJYRCzt+M8ydQMZGzTauOV0BjgQS0Q7+SFr2ZPIuuJaOV2C1OgIdf4tZcXNR xUWn9/gYuSTw/e3dGDCs1Tj9FGdFXkbDvcOfg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:59:11 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909010759h73811988y392edb35c3a7506f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:59:12 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM, tEd =C2=AE KiLLiAn = wrote: > I'm with you on that one Warren. > On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised >> or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. That's where a producer comes in handy! If not wanting to wait for a year, I mean ;-) Simply letting someone else judge - after all, playing is the fun part. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 15:18:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8AA3BE8C; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 00:18:45 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:18:57 +0000 (UTC) At 7:50 AM -0700 9/1/09, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: >On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > >>I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised >>or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. > >I'm with you on that one Warren. > >If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months. > >It's extremely rare for me to like much of=20 >anything I've done immediately afterwards. > >But I think I'll stop there before my comments=20 >begin to meander down some psycho-depressive=20 >rabbit hole. Oh don't stop on our account. I'm right there with you both -- 110%!!! I nearly-pathologically *despise* anything I've=20 done if I critique it right after finishing it.=20 But if I walk away for some period of time and=20 give myself a chance to forget about it=20 completely, I'll often come back and realize=20 there's some pretty interesting stuff in there. That exact thing happened a few nights ago. I=20 tripped over a folder filled with a bunch of=20 half-finished Live files. I'd only bothered to=20 save them in the first place because "these suck,=20 but I've put in so frickin' many hours that I=20 might as well have something to show for it".=20 Listening back, I was actually quite fascinated=20 at some of the arrangements ("wow, how the hell=20 did i do that?"). Just keep me far away from the "delete" key until then. ;) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path=20 lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 15:46:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B985F3BE79; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=utSU8cU+0+Bkb7mrm12nwePeSZu1J1Qu9H+kBx7FrzQ=; b=ID/F/n7tQBv7oMqpbvuTF9YAmakb+uo8zkztPtBylny+sUH4PvANOJJrI07eMyURNo n9B2e3T2i0hHusWnfNpld5f3i+5ou3QBc8VhYn3F/t4zapEzFphnhRuBNg33zu2b4aZ9 wRUIcrUmmmJbT8JeGpJs7gA9D40useBgPv6fc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RfCvI78VU8r13o378wXYeFXNPLUGv5u6pfPz1AmG0Oz60v3hqrbXcFnQB3/Q9gqc15 BtMwoBSf+uZjYOwWeJlbnX5iP6olJ2Ljz/0yv0xnbHGOKyaSq3J+7twrXLLIERUMmI8T bvKM9x0rV0BdawLDMb1yUx35QHpVdLj+UpBSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60909010846m30aec3a1w5de1ca610489260a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Video looping from SM@11 From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff2e0b766f70472860cc2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:46:14 +0000 (UTC) --0015173ff2e0b766f70472860cc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This last Sunday Morning at 11webcast I did (show date 8/23) I used Mobius for the first time 'live' after briefly using it some in recording/practice last year. I took my last loop from the show and did some add'l visual production on the sequence with images and objects in my studio space. I posted two versions, the original (11:37) was too long for YouTube so it's on Vimeo at... http://www.vimeo.com/6369568 . I recut a 10 min version for YouTube which is at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eNMD4ztII I have several things going on this weekend family wise as my daughter and I both turn a year so debating about when I'll do my cast, I'll send out another note confirming it's time this weekend. Good week to all and thanks for viewing... Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --0015173ff2e0b766f70472860cc2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This last Sunday Morning at 11 webcast I did (show date 8/23) I used Mobius fo= r the first time 'live' after briefly using it some in recording/pr= actice last year.
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I took my last loop from the show and did some add'l visual produc= tion on the sequence with images and objects in my studio space.=A0 I poste= d two versions, the original (11:37) was too long for YouTube so it's o= n Vimeo at... http://www.vimeo.com= /6369568=A0.
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I recut a 10 min version for YouTube which is at... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DL5e= NMD4ztII
=A0
I have several things going on this weekend family wise as my daughter= and I both turn a year so debating about when I'll do my cast, I'l= l send out another note confirming it's time this weekend.
=A0
Good week to all and thanks for viewing...
=A0
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Jim

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ReUse, an introspective textural aural
www.myspace.com/CtReUse

music li= nks...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= /a>
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimg= oodinmusic
www= .myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/j= imgoodinviolinelectro
ww= w.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic=

--0015173ff2e0b766f70472860cc2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 16:07:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A593BE7C; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: new looper from Roland X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:07:48 -0600 References: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:07:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm curious what the folks on this list think of the concept of being able to use "real tme pitch correction" for vocals in a live performance as this pedal allows you to do. I confess I used pitch correction once in the studio for a phrase that I didn't have time or money to go back in and correct, and I felt it was a crucial tune for that CD. It wasn't a horrid take, and it was not far off pitch. Also, it was something I knew I was able to do, I just hadn't done it in the recording. To me it seems like that kind of situation is one thing, but live? Any thoughts? John Floridis www.johnfloridis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 16:14:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD1C3BE84; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 478 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:14:49 UTC X-Originating-IP: [64.231.154.231] X-Originating-Email: [vaneyck@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:06:48 -0400 From: Trevor Van Eyck User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <66f9cc1e0908310633s78c47768sba02b7b7d7fdc35b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30908310958v66c4c8e6g2398f2b88e85218e@mail.gmail.com> <4A9D2195.9050504@tiscali.co.uk> <101191640909010658s5045e908g7704b35695da451a@mail.gmail.com> <3441528C-4F7C-40E1-82DB-07A0ACA3B2CC@charter.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2009 16:06:50.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[36E4AD90:01CA2B1E] Resent-Message-ID: <9eExkD.A.LZG.5hUnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) There's definitely something about being "too close" to the memory of having created it. When I listen back to older things I've recorded, I can barely remember being the person who recorded them... I'm curious "how did I get that sound"? Could I ever reproduce that accident? That mood? I wonder if this distance helps with appreciating the music as a whole rather than micro-managing every detail as though I were still playing it (in the moment of listening) rather than simply listening! I saw an interview some years back with Trent Reznor where he said that he felt the band had played the show of their career at Woodstock '94. He felt exhilaration as he left the stage. (paraphrasing) Then he saw the video of their performance and revised his opinion to say "we were terrible, we didn't play that well". So it seems that the "pros" suffer from the same thing! TREVOR. Mech wrote: > At 7:50 AM -0700 9/1/09, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: >> On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >>> I don't figure I'm usually qualified to judge my own work, improvised >>> or not, until I haven't listened to a piece for a year. >> >> I'm with you on that one Warren. >> >> If not a whole year . . . at least a few weeks or months. >> >> It's extremely rare for me to like much of anything I've done >> immediately afterwards. >> >> But I think I'll stop there before my comments begin to meander down >> some psycho-depressive rabbit hole. > > Oh don't stop on our account. I'm right there with you both -- 110%!!! > > I nearly-pathologically *despise* anything I've done if I critique it > right after finishing it. But if I walk away for some period of time > and give myself a chance to forget about it completely, I'll often > come back and realize there's some pretty interesting stuff in there. > > That exact thing happened a few nights ago. I tripped over a folder > filled with a bunch of half-finished Live files. I'd only bothered to > save them in the first place because "these suck, but I've put in so > frickin' many hours that I might as well have something to show for > it". Listening back, I was actually quite fascinated at some of the > arrangements ("wow, how the hell did i do that?"). > > Just keep me far away from the "delete" key until then. ;) > > --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 16:34:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC103BE80; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pY7Id9Q/A3QAkPWgta+5JFOQl44yHhisVAZMqCU0+TY=; b=RhI0Gz1oAxzhiRfv2EiGoeJJ+nAq/JXte71M9Wj8G2sVAQym7vX5BOKrG11hneuMtt wByskKbTjieBdEUwpLiiYQZ7o/uqkc9dqAUliHqnDmHFzBEGMGshGBwQWj6fp6XOeJir DVPGhKH/uKAlbOZDFT24ITxFeEsax9rEmezsw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=h2FqM+WinIioRfWrzjqeZsZ0zZA5DssQqF0ubEt8DlC3CZdRdG4kJZBBDpmgVMz4VU LOl6ZD+BsKMgeFBFwA8R4w+Cm6ZwmgWfXPmxCmo1BJp+3Ahdv9E3iNJTV/bFd22askGO 3gifixpVvAlM6fCviz7MQaw+J0zTVGA6BgztM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> References: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:34:24 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909010934h35216c4av9ba8fb7a2b0a6fc3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: new looper from Roland From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:34:29 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:07 PM, john floridis wrote: > I'm curious what the folks on this list think of the concept of being able > to use "real tme pitch correction" for vocals in a live performance as this > pedal allows you to do. I read through the presentation briefly and got the impression that it is a harmonizer function. You sing one note into the processor and get a three notes output. And in order to create a smooth sounding chord the device corrects the input pitch before applying its magic rather than analyzing a unique pitch and calculating two additional pitch intervals. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 18:17:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00603BE79; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=QPgBkXxODo+N2hh1PWAE8dAGQo8zpl5jY16aqdrNosA=; b=vyKpJDYKNRdmF3W+JrtAuwoIzSaeXPW4iLpzu4B4d3ROz/KcS9OlufO+/sLJgVfXMU sMDgmguaV+UPhLl755bNSGrreYZ+OdOT6bM+QQwQlNDFMX/8cFm97CmQd3WzmHYhHcZp pFThjRRpgIGEfjtUtEPBMG5s/XJVyY6LymUAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=HqPCYShHBa2davxuBkewTyEh6iANX2AxcYO0Gz24CVJ3DHVxdmwScTp0qWu6AeDHp8 46qA1dsL9N3weijMz/1I8I0yMnUUB90sDFo8TzyRBMEPn/MS9b+fYBF3022fPQUNKFiX 4y7p6LvCtO4c7ofLrjk8sgW31Y1MjnkWtdAMc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909010934h35216c4av9ba8fb7a2b0a6fc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> <66f9cc1e0909010934h35216c4av9ba8fb7a2b0a6fc3@mail.gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:16:45 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c1a52903c2248bda Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0909011116nac51b7jbeb7e2b447aff421@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: new looper from Roland To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ca5a5e500804728828ad Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:17:07 +0000 (UTC) --00504502ca5a5e500804728828ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 i thought it sounded a bit cool actually, ive alwasy thought i would like to loop my voice, but as i cant sing for toffee i was always looking for a cool vocal effect. I played around with some of the digitech vocalist products, but they were too much for what i needed... And i would definitely NEED pitch correction... oh my god yes.. Pheweee.. this pedal seemed to have it al! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=Synch%20Non%20Synch --00504502ca5a5e500804728828ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i thought it sounded a bit cool actually, ive alwasy thought i would like t= o loop my voice, but as i cant sing for toffee i was always looking for a c= ool vocal effect. I played around with some of the digitech vocalist produc= ts, but they were too much for what i needed... And i would definitely NEED= pitch correction... oh my god yes.. Pheweee..

this pedal seemed to have it al!


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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 1 22:55:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C224B3BE79; Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <002d01ca2ae8$6f8ab120$6402a8c0@voo.intra> <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looper from Roland Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:55:22 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.253.34.110 In-Reply-To: <8CC409BF-928E-4001-B0DB-ADA2381C94C5@johnfloridis.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBF96E6BE08BE2_924_E9F4_webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CBF96E6BDBC920-924-743C@webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <3We38.A.f1.uZanKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:55:42 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CBF96E6BE08BE2_924_E9F4_webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" but live? why not? ----------MB_8CBF96E6BE08BE2_924_E9F4_webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
    but live?


    why not?

    ----------MB_8CBF96E6BE08BE2_924_E9F4_webmail-d086.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 04:17:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7173BE80; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 04:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:17:18 -0700 Message-ID: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA2B49.998297C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcorhEKa+FIB9tb3SZunvXGqGHmM4w== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 04:17:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA2B49.998297C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "...and of course, I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings after every performance I saw ;-) That's because everything I do sucks Ass! Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later at Y2K5 I was becoming bored with what I was doing and limited by the Repeater's quirks and low internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. I was also sick of my Roland GR30 and the tricks I was using to drive the RPTR with it. I also was not happy with my tone at the time, and felt in a musical rut. I was tired of hauling around a shit pile of gear and wanted to strip my options down a bit. That's probably where my lousy attitude came from :-) I too have a hard time being subjective about my music which is why I don't have a recorded output like Prince Nelson Rogers. But like him, I too am funky. I'm continually trying to best myself, get better tones, create more interesting music, and find new ways of utilizing the technology. Don't get me wrong, I actually like much of my own music, and I have a bunch of music recorded. I just have a hard time producing myself, knowing when to stop, what to edit, etc. It's a bit crazy making, but I'm getting more patient with the engineering side of music making and recording in DAW, and being my own producer etc., I'm just a tortoise poking along. I admire those of you out there who are more prolific. If I had the money to quite working for a few months and hire a great producer, Manfred Eicher would do, I would in a heart beat, but I don't. That being said I'm as happy and inspired as I have ever been making music, and looking forward to Y2K8. The journey is the destination. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA2B49.998297C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    “...and of = course,  I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings after every = performance I saw ;-)

     

     

    That’s because everything I do sucks = Ass!

    Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later = at Y2K5 I was becoming bored with what I was doing and limited by the = Repeater’s quirks and low internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. I was also sick = of my Roland GR30 and the tricks I was using to drive the RPTR with it. I also = was not happy with my tone at the time, and felt in a musical rut. I was = tired of hauling around a shit pile of gear and wanted to strip my options down a = bit.  That’s probably where my lousy attitude came = from J

         I too have a hard time being subjective about my music which is why I don’t have a recorded = output like Prince Nelson Rogers. But like him, I too am funky. I’m = continually trying to best myself, get better tones, create more interesting music, = and find new ways of utilizing the technology.  Don’t get me = wrong, I actually like much of my own music, and I have a bunch of music = recorded. I just have a hard time producing myself, knowing when to stop, what to = edit, etc. It’s a bit crazy making, but I’m getting more patient = with the engineering side of = music making and recording in DAW, and being my own producer etc., I’m just a = tortoise poking along.  I admire those of you out there who are more = prolific. If I had the money to quite working for a few months and hire a great = producer, Manfred Eicher would do, I would in a heart beat, but I = don’t.  That being said I’m as happy and inspired as I have ever been making = music, and looking forward to Y2K8.  The journey is the destination.

    Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01CA2B49.998297C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 09:05:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98ED3BE80; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 255868143/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvgAAN/RnUpPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI2nqEGwWKdA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,317,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="255868143" Message-ID: <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:06:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:05:44 +0000 (UTC) sorry Bill, didn't mean to pick on you, just happens that your performances always seem to be well liked and admired. Thanks for bringing some more thoughts about the issue. Indeed I remember you were getting disillusioned with you Repeater based setup....however don't forget that for the audience it was still new and exciting. Incidentally, do you still have "the tapes" from the 2005 Big Sur gig? ( I thought your set there was particularly fine) andy William Walker wrote: > “...and of course, I heard Bill Walker express his unfounded misgivings > after every performance I saw ;-) > > That’s because everything I do sucks Ass! > > Actually Andy, in 2005 at the Zurich fest and later at Y2K5 I was > becoming bored with what I was doing and limited by the Repeater’s > quirks and low internal memory, finicky CFC issues etc. > That being said I’m as happy and inspired as I have ever been > making music, >and looking forward to Y2K8. spoken as a true looper > The journey is the destination. > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 11:08:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD1B3BE82; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fcd1a25d-ff90-4d90-bd82-40d7f8fdf9a4_" X-Originating-IP: [81.155.123.148] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: inspiring improvsations Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:08:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2009 11:08:33.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5F64770:01CA2BBD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:08:33 +0000 (UTC) --_fcd1a25d-ff90-4d90-bd82-40d7f8fdf9a4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some = recommendations for inspiring improvisatons? I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome = any pointers. 2 stand out for me 1 The band Man's live rendition of "spunk Box" at the greasy Truckers Garde= n Party. Amazing=2C sattiva drenched=2C inspired jamming that really transl= ates to the recording 2 Pseudobuddha=2C "7 days in fat city". I don't know how this was recorded = but it sounds and feels so flowingly fresh and organic=2C (thanks to James = Sidlo for getting me a copy btw). g _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_fcd1a25d-ff90-4d90-bd82-40d7f8fdf9a4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some = recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
    I dislike jazz so there go = quite a few options I guess but I would welcome any pointers.

    2 stan= d out for me
    1 The band Man's live rendition of "spunk Box" at the greas= y Truckers Garden Party. Amazing=2C sattiva drenched=2C inspired jamming th= at really translates to the recording
    2 Pseudobuddha=2C "7 days in fat c= ity". I don't know how this was recorded but it sounds and feels so flowing= ly fresh and organic=2C (thanks to James Sidlo for getting me a copy btw).<= br>
    g


    New! Receive and respond to mail from other ema= il accounts from within Hotmail Find out how. = --_fcd1a25d-ff90-4d90-bd82-40d7f8fdf9a4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 12:42:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F8FD3BE85; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 478 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:42:34 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b8a746b0-8d80-4e8f-b280-9275e05adacb_" X-Originating-IP: [121.45.122.140] From: andrew gallasch To: Subject: mac-cetera... Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:04:35 +0930 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2009 12:34:35.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAC62890:01CA2BC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:42:35 +0000 (UTC) --_b8a746b0-8d80-4e8f-b280-9275e05adacb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it seems theres an infinite number of mac's to choose from (or maybe just 3= =2C but it's still hard to choose) anyway=2C I'm looking for a mac for voca= l=2C guitar and bass recording DI and miced cabs. Also looping would be goo= d. I've heard mobius works=2C does it allow multi tracks ala the roland rc-= 50? in a laptop I think i need the following... RECORDING 2 inputs... vocal mic + guitar mic how much does this interface cost? LIVE input for some sort of pedal to control mobius gtr etc input and output for mobius input for a midi controller (keyboard) to play cubase or logic synths output for that can i use those 2 ^^ inputs from before here!? I guess I want to record drums too but they could probably just get recorde= d somewhere else then I can add layers here. I want to do a fair bit of dru= m programming (ableton probably=2C with dfh) to make some demo tracks for t= his band i'm making but my drummer of choice is out of action for 1 1/2 mon= ths with a broken foot...=20 How much RAM and speed do I need and how much is superfluous? including lot= s of overdubs! and perhaps my bro wants to do some lightshows on it too so = extra room for graphics could be an option... what's the difference between having a firewire port built in like the old = ones and the pro's or not... is fiirewire essential? best quality? sorry for rambling so much=2C any direction you can give would be really ap= preciated! andy _________________________________________________________________ Need a place to rent=2C buy or share? Let us find your next place for you!= =20 http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/= --_b8a746b0-8d80-4e8f-b280-9275e05adacb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    it seems theres an infinite number of mac's to choose from (or maybe ju= st 3=2C but it's still hard to choose) anyway=2C I'm looking for a mac for = vocal=2C guitar and bass recording DI and miced cabs. Also looping would be= good. I've heard mobius works=2C does it allow multi tracks ala the roland= rc-50?

    in a laptop I think i need the following...

    RECORDING=
    2 inputs... vocal mic + guitar mic
    how much does this interface cost= ?

    LIVE
    input for some sort of pedal to control mobius
    gtr etc = input and output for mobius
    input for a midi controller (keyboard) to pl= ay cubase or logic synths
    output for that
    can i use those 2 ^^ inputs= from before here!?

    I guess I want to record drums too but they coul= d probably just get recorded somewhere else then I can add layers here. I w= ant to do a fair bit of drum programming (ableton probably=2C with dfh) to = make some demo tracks for this band i'm making but my drummer of choice is = out of action for 1 1/2 months with a broken foot...
    How much RAM and s= peed do I need and how much is superfluous? including lots of overdubs! and= perhaps my bro wants to do some lightshows on it too so extra room for gra= phics could be an option...

    what's the difference between having a f= irewire port built in like the old ones and the pro's or not... is fiirewir= e essential? best quality?

    sorry for rambling so much=2C any directi= on you can give would be really appreciated!

    andy


    Let us find your next place for you! Need a place to rent=2C buy or sha= re? = --_b8a746b0-8d80-4e8f-b280-9275e05adacb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 13:41:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF8003BE7C; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=36H6I5MJfj21O1lT4zEvwD2YJAm4YU4reQFNtKLUURM=; b=eymr7iH1AEplMVO7gzMWmrbuXfVaTEK1ajv2Tyc6259HUIV7gYHIE7Jh788Hif9wiX FBCVtG4FlZgGyE/xNKjNVh88CY9BMc5x0zel5/8jhe008m4RoQA/GI1htVCmlR9FvJyZ dQLgoGjVvr01OsgKmq557j862IMz/9jo2eSfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=SxNYJ2yv8UGYPUZNPL96PgsfAkVEgL0l32Z90ewVa7aSUFNpbM0Xp4xVfwkjy7+e/q d8GnIe6LcaXaIGyjJaDJ1MfRUiquSqicRMi7Oh9VKLuhT6JQpSmEX+jnLsGmJ+l4vSVV pHtwno6LhDQ8aY5CbXqHg3+glJjCvzv4s4XT4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> From: mark francombe Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:41:16 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0570e5d3a7191883 Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b861ff1d990472986c4b Resent-Message-ID: <6hk-6D.A.mND.RYnnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:41:37 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5b861ff1d990472986c4b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can. They are not anally improvisers, but they had this tchnique of recording long improvisations, and then one of them would laboriously edit them down on tape to album friendly lengths. You can hear the edits in places, and accept them as part of the track. Starter Albums are Monster Movie 1968Delay, and the very wonderful Tago Mago. This is the band that got me into improvising... M On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some > recommendations for inspiring improvisatons? > I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome > any pointers. > > 2 stand out for me > 1 The band Man's live rendition of "spunk Box" at the greasy Truckers > Garden Party. Amazing, sattiva drenched, inspired jamming that really > translates to the recording > 2 Pseudobuddha, "7 days in fat city". I don't know how this was recorded > but it sounds and feels so flowingly fresh and organic, (thanks to James > Sidlo for getting me a copy btw). > > g > > > ------------------------------ > New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within > Hotmail Find out how. > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=Synch%20Non%20Synch --001636c5b861ff1d990472986c4b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can.
    They are not a= nally improvisers, but they had this tchnique of recording long improvisati= ons, and then one of them would laboriously edit them down on tape to album= friendly lengths. You can hear the edits in places, and accept them as par= t of the track. Starter Albums are Monster Movie 1968Delay, and the very wo= nderful Tago Mago.

    This is the band that got me into improvising...

    M

    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@l= ive.co.uk> wrote:
    Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some = recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
    I dislike jazz so there go = quite a few options I guess but I would welcome any pointers.

    2 stan= d out for me
    1 The band Man's live rendition of "spunk Box" at the greasy = Truckers Garden Party. Amazing, sattiva drenched, inspired jamming that rea= lly translates to the recording
    2 Pseudobuddha, "7 days in fat city= ". I don't know how this was recorded but it sounds and feels so f= lowingly fresh and organic, (thanks to James Sidlo for getting me a copy bt= w).

    g


    New! Receive and respond to mail from other email acco= unts from within Hotmail Find out how.



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    http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Sy= nch
    --001636c5b861ff1d990472986c4b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 13:47:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845133BE86; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A9E774C.1060002@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:46:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Monahan , Musik International , Peter Koniuto , Paul Bryan , Canyon Records , Randall Frazier Massive Music America , Loopers Delight Mailing List , Daniel Pipitone , Jeff Kowal , Projekt Records Publicity Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for August, 2009. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:47:03 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/top20-08aug.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for August, 2009. Shows #644 to #647; 6-August-2009 to 27-August-2009 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=95658555829 The Special Focus for August was Saul Stokes. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#aug ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Alpha Wave Movement - Beyond Silence - HRR Asnazzy - Voyage To Andromeda - none Between Interval - The Edge of a Fairytale - Spotted Peccary Cluster - Qua - Nepenthe Create - In the Blink of an Eye - Groove Faryus and Bodarenko 8 Atmospheres - Faria Frank Van Bogaert with Erik Wollo - Air Machine - ACE Johan Agebjorn - Mossebo - Lotuspike Markus Reuter and Ian Boddy - Dervish - DiN Meesha - Pentorama - none Parallel Worlds - Shade - DiN Ricochet Gathering - Romania 2008 - Riochet Dream Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - React - DiN Saul Stokes - Fields - Binary Saul Stokes - Metacollage - Stokesmusic Saul Stokes - Vast - The Foundry Saul Stokes - Villa Galaxia - Binary Stephen Parsick - Cambrium - Doombient Steve Dinsdale - New Church - Northern Echo Steve Roach - Dynamic Stillness - Projekt Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=95658555829 RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 14:28:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 536FC3BE84; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 451 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:28:45 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mVwlUbGELaJZLV31e9fZ2usrSp1CFsGRZsYxyoCIcUA=; b=Im3c593gnkym0QG76phTdFqf8VloEcVQH6dcf38yv7PS2dOddPG7PU6OrPPACpY0eF 2R7cK1XyvBym6mkPWPfYhDOJAR1FLU+HCCNwnjxQ99n5G/3fiUfJkvDffvmMmT2t1v/P N8jF5tZ02MuWLk8O14d5mQq4EMZe81SJirOMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=TBwPEY89kO0VgNtbjxMJ2xQT1/TkGWYnKg9XkiWdLoyTbOPFJDPVAUtsYBrp4ucD4h 8Y4Blv/maGNZKIGtU+0tRte34r5oQtLcJrqgfG1yquoRomNaVRpweXoQioOCJY0V591E BWWaOV1GdkJpECViATm9qyLXh3GxF0xBAD6JU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:21:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mac-cetera... From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, The "2008" white Apple Macbook with 2.4 GHz ( Dual-Core ) + 4Gb ram should already be enough for Logic 8 or 9 + some soft synths and Mobius. Regarding audio and midi interfaces, I can recommend the Motu Ultralite mk3 which does all you need (have it myself). Mobius + a flexible audio interface like the Motu can do everything the rc-50 can plus a lot more, you can't really compare them. > How much RAM and speed do I need and how much is superfluous? I installed the maximum amount which is 4 Gb. Tip: buy cheap Kingston memory chips, Apple chips are very expensive. > what's the difference between having a firewire port built in like the old > ones and the pro's or not... is fiirewire essential? best quality? Firewire is good, I don't have experience with USB2 interfaces but Motu offers models with either Firewire or USB2 for the same price. both have been tested well by known magazines like Sound On Sound. -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ http://livelooping.be/ http://euroloopfest.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 14:58:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109663BE86; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YOhShF8KIC5TvbcbWxINLhf9rUHFHFX0wTJqtPru8Rg=; b=Y8LszKA7qLXk5foM9Tly6JCs8Jg5FGEXUjltNtph8U+zdKXzQ/CLDfeL1axmdSP1FM hxKpz/O2RRbEOtGVfKsIrSRePQyESNZZvbFgS9YAnvzwXgRcAdMt5xkhSK2q9SVZzLrj rIp00UmfswxAtwlBc/pF73n32XJQtaR6x39ck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=a/CUql2rdKk4AIy0F5pyBWwSXIvKn5y6tk3VJTMhNoNA0l9PuwOg0p2yJXcQ+qsXwQ j13vTPmfg1/GEJ3J0tZw4K9i+b4mTiPJ+aIzt6Kr5ilhZPncUePSyJKqONy/13VFbPld i5qCIjkIVWu5xLdQNWq4AGP3zxBeVbWi8umns= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909020752u223c2b1axc88dce75d6761017@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Ditto. LOVE Can's grooves and that wiry guitar . . . There was Soft Machine (more jazzy, yet still with a very rock esthetic). Nels Cline's personal work and ensembles are chock full of cutting edge improv. He has a sorta lo-fi blended with high-tech vibe that's truly unique. I'm particularly liking his recent release "Coward". Like Rypdal, Nels has a huge catalog and one has to work through it to understand the enormous scope of his work. Through it all, Nels sounds unique . . . a true original. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:41 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Personally I would listen to almost anything done by Can. -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 14:58:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E4F53BE8A; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1738 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:58:41 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TzUmY0LbXaQamqXxRTmV11As6mYc8yGGhmoNrCVyW3c=; b=Fu8ko9fmKFohlmsNPG0gJirSvqd2FK26LdM6yALHA2Ij+Tlv27mVXQ8o0Fm8Rjoxjt xk7YtF5JMvAbG9RygcIxWxWXYQAAgtOpSkbknNKwE9+CeUKYclOSBL3d/rWyOw9IgSjs NIqBZ1jAG0BuLZdwV31b/SCVCzrsFZz1hy+tk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=RqMGp7VCwoXa+GHoZ60WfFzU5q0M5JKGfKPijGpKpOdJm1V9gaQxHo+FZEYNNQjMF6 BO3yC9kNc04z/LZ63vEeGShsmZD1EWVZ9frQdyLthWOWnw6C3fNBrbvcDjOktq/eONN7 nSakFZFCSOWUztfl63S54ihqBtxQtdWZj4nvI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:29:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d6d80b31190472991941 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) --001485f7d6d80b31190472991941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 what about Supersilent? everything they do is improvised sim > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > >> Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about >> some recommendations for inspiring improvisatons? >> I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome >> any pointers. >> >> --001485f7d6d80b31190472991941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 what about Supersilent?

    everything they do is improvised

    sim


    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk> wrote:
    Ok. Following on from the improvisation/composition debate. How about some recommendations for inspiring improvisatons?
    I dislike jazz so there go quite a few options I guess but I would welcome any pointers.

    --001485f7d6d80b31190472991941-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 15:11:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 995653BE82; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2054 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:11:37 UTC Message-ID: <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:37:38 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > Jim, > > if cheap and small are the main requirements, why not look at > something like this: > http://gamingmouse.com/weapon.php?pid=31 > > This gives you four buttons for $59 via USB, and those buttons can be > mapped to keyboard commands (which in turn can trigger Mobius stuff). > So you could use that for the "realtime critical" functions and switch > between different mappings using scripts and keys on your keyboard (or > buttons on the floor thing), like this: > > Setup 1 > Record/Overdub, Mulitply, Mute, switch to setup 2 > > Setup 2 > Rate Shift Advance (which with the proper rate shift sequence will > work as halfspeed), Reverse, Next Loop, switch to setup 1 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2321 - Release Date: 08/23/09 06:18:00 > Hi loopers And thanks for this link, Rainer; Fragpedal has arrived safely here in London after a couple of helpful e-mail exchanges (oh, & money too). All I've got to do now is figure out some scripts...... Oh & how mobius works (since I'm not familiar with EDP). JamMan (playing up), TimeMachine (now defunct), DL-8 (hmmm), & faithful Arion DDS-4 are my bunch of junk, plus a guitar & Sony GP5. Looks like I might be looking for a laptop soon.... Currently lurking on Zonemobius at Yahoo groups for pearls of wisdom! Dave Draper From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 15:19:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B884B3BE91; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=TFhs72EiQ7TuBf0fXrIaatL9Rxz8NTCgG+OXJxz8NpI=; b=NAbkKmmboc0rNM04o0ZEAWf9YzkMh9NhaHuN/ft7ycqWmGi22DM9M7rIpG78pF7yvn OAN5jBWr4JgBFXIBF5GhLaxlKUOv8tJGZVgEBcBlL1dOeGVTzE4IveX5tmOi9veU5/JJ oS7Rmh3FCsee2MOpZHLiadj8z5JB4XSNtjJEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=gWL1lgwXQkHaTwWWpti8u5krbiycmVO8qN3XHBqlMKkfb2x5U2Dp6E+iNIDL29Es0+ kyJHKTliZsQ7RR5JUiQC562uVAeiY9jNLnIqa4Ksz8bZsNdPR+eBRQ2UbTUf/KejCot7 K9+/+HEGAgXxkbZrWyGw45AdM/EA4iz3VIi6s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:19:00 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60909020819k39bb671agf8709aa82bc2ce73@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers From: Jim Goodin To: dh.draper@virgin.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517478cce559107047299c91e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:19:01 +0000 (UTC) --001517478cce559107047299c91e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dave I think I have one coming to, a Fragpedal, as a birthday present if not I'll order one but keep your thoughts posted as you use it, I'm interested to know. Hoping it's going to answer my Mobius needs as well. Best with the laptop quest and the experience. Jim On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dave Draper wrote: > Rainer Straschill wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> if cheap and small are the main requirements, why not look at >> something like this: >> http://gamingmouse.com/weapon.php?pid=31 >> > --001517478cce559107047299c91e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave I think I have one coming to, a Fragpedal, as a birthday present if no= t I'll order one but keep your thoughts posted as you use it, I'm i= nterested to know.=A0 Hoping it's going to answer my Mobius needs as we= ll.=A0 Best with the laptop quest and the experience.=A0 Jim

    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Dave Draper <dh.draper@virgin= .net> wrote:
    Rainer Straschill wrote:
    Jim,

    if cheap and small are the main requirements,= why not look at
    something like this:
    http://gamingmouse.com/weapon.php= ?pid=3D31
    --001517478cce559107047299c91e-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 15:27:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB663BE8B; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-id: <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> From: Jeff Shirkey To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:27:36 -0500 References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4F4ChD.A.nzH.t7onKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people weren't aware of its existence. http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 15:30:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33193BEA9; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Warren Sirota'" , References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <101191640909020459q7e5bec5cgc7390af1b1927a3c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 08:30:31 -0700 Message-ID: <47615E6B39794E21AFE2BFDD2D729820@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA2BA7.A55F4EE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <101191640909020459q7e5bec5cgc7390af1b1927a3c@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcorxM03DuF/m/1VT9OhIaZlty53iAAHWg6g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:30:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA2BA7.A55F4EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't count past 8, did I mention that handicap???? Doh _____ From: warrensirota@gmail.com [mailto:warrensirota@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Warren Sirota Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:59 AM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM, William Walker wrote: That being said I'm as happy and inspired as I have ever been making music, and looking forward to Y2K8. The journey is the destination. Bill Uh, Bill, you better turn around. I think you're facing backwards. -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA2BA7.A55F4EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I can’t count past 8, =  did I mention that handicap???? Doh

     

    From: warrensirota@gmail.com [mailto:warrensirota@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Warren Sirota
    Sent: Wednesday, = September 02, 2009 4:59 AM
    To: = billwalker@baymoon.com
    Subject: Re: Composition = & Improvisation- the fatal moment of playback

     

     

    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:17 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:

    That being said I’m as happy = and inspired as I have ever been making music, and looking forward to Y2K8.  The journey is the destination. =

    Bill

    Uh, Bill, you better turn around. I think you're facing = backwards.


    --
    Warren
    http://www.ube= too.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01CA2BA7.A55F4EE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 16:31:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 821DB3BE91; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BODILPveY9a/FZYyYhsOwJk8LLg2fVKDhmqXxySQ8+Q=; b=oEx/6mrllTtLOMR+HEl5USwyMTDWsAuGA2cs8Y/qN+sYE5rVdQE31eJh5zZc2xPfMe bweCmL/5PdsHqT4lB5jCEEhR/yPe3pCFiskcZxawkZQEGObdDm9aUuEiQA7t4zymu6nF XscV16jqphWUJQumN02HB2PyBzGQ6hL8QCnjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jcg2XGGySEuKSs4qVraPZlJktcYU6t/dKpXGSSerjx0iVfXSOEOibak0FC6iA9wlLZ kixlqaaD+RpESvxTLaJMro0tCKBrzXaeL0bnQEpg7SDNS3BnseJQjLdLN13g5pZJnGJe AQVD2m262FA6f6dM2kjYsTdR14Ec4x6iwBKAY= Message-ID: <4A9E9DD1.9090008@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:31:13 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Samples and looping References: <20aeede50908260511x676bbb91rf85d6fa6f4e2488c@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0908260542p1c9ffd99v94a490a32c2d86a9@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908260627o1bad1d6aj881057f7b0643220@mail.gmail.com> <3f8d9ee60908260949s4c72f585l1b6be0480a13aee3@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270056n7fa8cefg1fc59ce224d96c66@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270336r4cff14f1qd8cf27857de45d3d@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270743u38fe384chb20e8958cfd27bb8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20aeede50908270743u38fe384chb20e8958cfd27bb8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6n63YB.A.mwF.T3pnKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Louigi Verona schrieb: > With the internet it is virtually impossible to control that at all. > So I think that artists should stop chasing people who use their work > without permission - they should change their business models and > stop focusing on selling copies of their work. This is a contradiction in a way, if you chase people you are controlling it. There even exist business models which would want you to find the work and abuse it and they send their bots around the web for chasing them, a sort of modern web spider carnivore... > Also, and I've always believed it to be an interesting point - why > would you get money for work done once? You record music - yes, that > was hard work. You get some money - either from a person who > contracted you to do the recording or from shows to which people came > after listening to your records. In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money at all. At that point I clearly say, before anybody else gains money I want at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC license... > Guys, I may be wrong on this. I do not consider my views to be > written in stone. I am constantly evaluating my views, thinking them > over. But as fas as I can see it now, today, an artist should not be > a person who elevates above the rest of the public, demanding > everyone to run to them and ask permission. What if he denies? Many > good works may cease to exist. Read Lawrence Lessings book, its his opinion, but the artists still should be free to decide to which opinion they belong and live... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles---------x-- --_____-----------|-----------|-- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 17:59:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 222AC3BE86; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20090902175947109.1A8C920000B0@mwinf2017.orange.fr Message-Id: <158A0DCD-7E78-4FB3-AC11-24957D39C8E8@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:59:45 +0200 References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:59:49 +0000 (UTC) I can't get that site to load, but I found this: http://gear.u2tutorials.com/2009/06/17/liquid-foot-junior-midi-controller-by-mick/ On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people > weren't aware of its existence. > > http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 18:31:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD713BE85; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=44AbzCrpSIOiFs4rrh9Gi7sYZf1iyXAQc9GhkAeMplQ=; b=rB/JLt+YnmUpsvFu3yPwrHwwvprZq1zsqLcVBjvQP4o51kSdchh9z48MXs/srpKZtK ZIQSCN52Iz4bMK/Fa6TUVXLpfKlb+CloPoOmcGCNm5rl1UWD8wYBlfMf9UwlqynURFsv J21zxDDZjYT2DKIAESCOXoUNgbjiaNriPhF5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NomIoo4frLuenHyuJcfdOTGgw5TMQUD7M77VA9EEkWhBXlhkDwYPBd3t7n0WVdFuOI 6kdp58ouoEeg+fnbS7FRxIxiFp1G/R71P+5z7Ej1BVRl3je3T/gYx9/9qtcO3Q/XzhDA C5tYARObfOjxG9uHZu7mzVobY1wbYzqkHFEMI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909021125r2167f90an9c9cf7f86e2b94f1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Thinking Fellers Union: Not sure how much is improvised, but I would guess a good amount. On 9/2/09, Simeon Harris wrote: what about Supersilent? everything they do is improvised -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 18:37:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5E13BE88; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RYuca1YvJN3MkAm2pKTHnSMua0mp0vy8rKSVu5HtOi2P6oi74m1Q/pYJfoc6HlCg; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <28287137.1251916654061.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48e62188f7305ddffe77ee02cf99b026443d063210bc784f5e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.31 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:37:34 +0000 (UTC) ...Nels Cline's personal work and ensembles are chock full of cutting >edge improv. He has a sorta lo-fi blended with high-tech vibe that's >truly unique. I'm particularly liking his recent release "Coward". >Like Rypdal, Nels has a huge catalog and one has to work through it to >understand the enormous scope of his work. Through it all, Nels sounds >unique . . . a true original. >Miko Biffle going to see him tonite here in the city: http://www.cafedunord.com/?temp=calendar dont know what he is using for a loop pedal these days-i know he was a long time EH 16sec DDL (ab)user From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 18:44:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9153BE7F; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4CF22936-D86D-4FCF-B5C5-8EC1D56C01F7@grubmah.com> From: Mark Hamburg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:44:27 -0700 References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:44:29 +0000 (UTC) So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small market. What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the Line6 M13 with something like the Looperlative built in. Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and the Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But the controller choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or severely crippled (Ground Control Pro, I'm looking at you). Mark On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people > weren't aware of its existence. > > http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 19:08:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B193BE87; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2576 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:08:29 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qDYFhaxVgKYxjpz7tUFgMyXM1XK+9a7epIwiEZf99dA=; b=KwxNtY7Jh2Uq/roe10hrqOMj0NQDfhCiIqaKdnEoM21+VkiHyvQc3Qb2/GZ/MRJi+H kM/SI4YNDPiIMil4V3diP1g0wmc9JzB5kycwaAoKOtbuacwl7PKFHNaKhiy5ZVUT+0Ft 1olxUBHj2qt8awZfnnjYmg8XIVzG0KZMF1Z2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GQ52VUULgjJXVNB5tzWGrvSiABhmrsTvNpQXsBYaFggTtm3XWarmh/Q92gMizBFsnT OqDWejU2nBdIycdQz9Ijwd+TBIUm6sC/WICHcvUHD2kQ0G/AsFJag/eryQfNfetJZPZs iN3ibv8y3wgUE0YekTo+fXUfVoQ4w5u0wtFww= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4CF22936-D86D-4FCF-B5C5-8EC1D56C01F7@grubmah.com> References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> <4CF22936-D86D-4FCF-B5C5-8EC1D56C01F7@grubmah.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:08:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909021208x7ab91e4co45404d3ea76e3d96@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Why oh why was the Digitech PMC-10 so damned buggy. It was (IS) the total shit, when it came to robust capabilities and cool features. I still have 1 sitting in mothballs. Sigh . . . I'm getting the feeling the Gordius stuff is my only hope. -m On 9/2/09, Mark Hamburg wrote: > So, why are these things all so expensive? I know. I know. Small market. > > What I really want is something in roughly the form factor of the Line6 M13 > with something like the Looperlative built in. > > Short of that, I'm looking for a controller in that form factor and the > Looperlative will get to live in the then necessary rack. But the controller > choices seem to be either outrageously pricey or severely crippled (Ground > Control Pro, I'm looking at you). > > Mark -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 19:10:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3FE93BE86; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=LCmA90UCJbE9xDuX636KBczXfTBUgj74n2jBwTUBU/8=; b=j+4DcXxqCkgI+2ZoomwcTpcIlk4RE3wNm6EpWDVAhpGlyQfGkvQvpMiwLtSQmlPmo7 4/nPgxH5Eujgqp5M7Ravtn8aucVBCgBUqhevPQ/S+7ei2bB7vjFghrUt3tb75DdmdoW+ Fyi91walbjOFurEFEWEW4CukoYFjBac35PdmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qYNmsRjE0hAbetp7fZYP8UXoT8HNOOolobF17iSXjZ35sN/c/UUQ0D82o+fQ3Y6FNC iXsRRye5y4JUJS+GPUShGF7XBMnayTzye1moNpWMcFM9hxTwDIDQGTmI3waw5eTSRY6L knyWEaDCtzzhB/0SquzNWB3Xoga66dPnKwtIM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:10:35 -0400 Message-ID: <9c3ebb9b0909021210q16ed9896x273155ae07c0903f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: FC-7 resistor wattage? From: Loaf citious To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db6c098f5dd004729d056d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:10:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6db6c098f5dd004729d056d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello LD! I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP. But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail. So now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7. I'm a big guy so, being weary of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones from British Audio Service. Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit parameter' ~20K ??). Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?" Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for the 1% metal film resistors? Super Big Tx, Andy G. Raleigh, NC-USA --0016e6db6c098f5dd004729d056d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LD!=A0 I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the but= tons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.

    But, my FC-7 has bee= n funny since the day I got it new in the mail.=A0 So now it's time to = replace the buttons on the FC-7.=A0 I'm a big guy so, being weary of th= ose little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones f= rom British Audio Service.

    Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller an= d need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ t= he overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit para= meter' ~20K ??).

    Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these = (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phon= e immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"
    Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I = really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for= the 1% metal film resistors?

    Super Big Tx,
    Andy G.
    Raleigh, N= C-USA
    --0016e6db6c098f5dd004729d056d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 19:15:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EAFB3BE8A; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/oU6Bfyh+TUW3CYJ5xAOtw)" Message-id: From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9c3ebb9b0909021210q16ed9896x273155ae07c0903f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:15:15 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/oU6Bfyh+TUW3CYJ5xAOtw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger than 1/2 watt. 1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box. t From: Loaf citious To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: FC-7 resistor wattage? Hello LD! I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP. But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail. So now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7. I'm a big guy so, being weary of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones from British Audio Service. Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit parameter' ~20K ??). Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?" Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for the 1% metal film resistors? Super Big Tx, Andy G. Raleigh, NC-USA --Boundary_(ID_/oU6Bfyh+TUW3CYJ5xAOtw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
    I don't know what they were but I can't imagine them being larger than 1/2 watt.  1 Watt resistors usually look like a rectangular box.
     
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    Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:10 PM
    Subject: FC-7 resistor wattage?

    Hello LD!  I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP.

    But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail.  So now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7.  I'm a big guy so, being weary of those little plastic red jobbies - I went for the sturdy looking metal ones from British Audio Service.

    Of course I trashed some of the reistors gutting the foot controller and need to replace them ( I wanted to anyways - something was not right w/ the overdub pedal and was it was occasionally to close to the 'edit parameter' ~20K ??).

    Anyways, long story short, I called a supply place today to oder these (cause radio shack is not cuttin' the mustard) and the tech on the phone immediately asked "What's the wattage? 1Watt ? 1/2 Watt?"

    Now I apologize if this information has been repeated elsewhere but, I really have dug around.......can anyone tell me the appropriate wattage for the 1% metal film resistors?

    Super Big Tx,
    Andy G.
    Raleigh, NC-USA
    --Boundary_(ID_/oU6Bfyh+TUW3CYJ5xAOtw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 20:02:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC0A3BE88; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=xCGAQZi6ORveCNpoiUGc4SSHgWOQStDICFKMVVaT0pw=; b=Xh2YiN47G1C0sUnCNfB3D5p2IYBZw2efBD70xG/wXUT+DVdT+BSsuflKONQ4VjOw92 s1b9voAgMwvN2vb6rY0+mZ5EIUJtWmziMq9AN954eZni/XpWOrvZFXEK0FewWmZYkCXr or3r39+lQF4HLEiRjvJGnOZ/yJ0KyC4xEf+JM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=G581QzK9Osbsq6Tt8GUmPzOTckWWc9EhNAchPBKnuW1VerE31lu4Xcy7WrNDQx1Fvd cfI4ZHW9qUMoJNIbOSjEv68Rh9gkIMdmJiRz+OAL4UK14HWvN7riu6LXMqvnVlq9tCbJ w+GgURKGO6NgU4ynBCZeXd7ScosNXLGTTejV8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:02:15 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: david toop article - nytimes - today From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6d2a4565bd204729dbea7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:02:17 +0000 (UTC) --001485f6d2a4565bd204729dbea7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html -- Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com --001485f6d2a4565bd204729dbea7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvis= ation-against-improvisation-688630.html

    --
    Rau= l Bonell at Blogger: http://raul= bonell.blogspot.com
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.= ct-collective.com

    --001485f6d2a4565bd204729dbea7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 20:18:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEEBD3BE84; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A9ED324.40308@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:18:44 +0100 From: Dave Draper Reply-To: dh.draper@virgin.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers References: <7334ca1b0908231248h7c114529kbd3a0115f990c693@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E8332.7040800@virgin.net> <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <85144FFE-79D0-4426-9712-A1D8E7112439@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [82.69.58.35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey wrote: > Just thought I'd mention the Liquid Foot Pro Jr. in case people weren't > aware of its existence. > > http://www.liquid-foot.com/products.shtml > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.75/2340 - Release Date: 09/01/09 20:03:00 > Well that's a new one on me too; there's also something called a midi mouse; v. small & limited, but not cheap (surprise!). What I like about the fragpedal is that it's NOT midi!! (Guitarist, see?) Lots of midi controllers out there, mostly big & unwieldy, & however versatile, too much to carry. I had eighteen months without a car recently (I dunno, just couldn't be bothered with one!) and it ain't easy - amp, rack flightcase, guitar, bus.... Dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 20:28:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE01E3BE90; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=U647yYEHd9qjPl2NEKXAm36SkZRhVHWzBx7fUH53EAw=; b=b52xqJsfMRRYJtd1ls+2uxrgczBCgnNSxVMxhG806hBwE4h0pEEm3CWzv+6+bN39k8 z8NtLn3TpkNxT03HdNWC/H8tgtTjBQxERriYS/H+n/t/oiRPzywPQEZtWBs29qxAMzQ6 pKVK5bCUXt0zteVnkvZWB2oLJlLQKD0z96BmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=g8d/uMnAZbdSIYj73a9OzMSC9mqNpOKv39QCoeF5Tv++CwYMqh7/kss2cKA4lUtAYv iUrbMdna5zMxCTOce0dcOMRTpmCszxEyAS+WEN1HhjamPv1YDh1T1LxJ8PaIWcZ3PoA+ mBlRWVE1lTs2dm9X++8hh7q0n2WtVkFxjQT4s= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A9E9DD1.9090008@googlemail.com> References: <20aeede50908260511x676bbb91rf85d6fa6f4e2488c@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0908260542p1c9ffd99v94a490a32c2d86a9@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908260627o1bad1d6aj881057f7b0643220@mail.gmail.com> <3f8d9ee60908260949s4c72f585l1b6be0480a13aee3@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270056n7fa8cefg1fc59ce224d96c66@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270336r4cff14f1qd8cf27857de45d3d@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270743u38fe384chb20e8958cfd27bb8@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E9DD1.9090008@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:28:49 +0400 Message-ID: <20aeede50909021328u5f7431fdgf61fa4ca7c67ca8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Louigi Verona To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747ba9c5e8a2204729e1d87 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:28:51 +0000 (UTC) --00151747ba9c5e8a2204729e1d87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Stefan! "In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money at all. At that point I clearly say, before anybody else gains money I want at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC license..." This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster. In order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the world in order to actually see it through. Also, what if 10000 people use it? Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music? Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the first glance. But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say "In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money at all". But who said that making good music should result in gaining money? People do lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music. "but the artists still should be free to decide to which opinion they belong and live..." A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses. By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom. This is my view on the subject. Louigi. --00151747ba9c5e8a2204729e1d87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Stefan!

    "In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work = and didn't gain any money at all. At that point I clearly say, before a= nybody else gains money I want at least a share of it. That is why I publish with a NC license..."

    This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out = to be a disaster. In order to control what everybody does with your music, = you would require draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on = every person in the world in order to actually see it through. Also, what i= f 10000 people use it? Is it necessary to receive so much money for one pie= ce of music? Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable on= ly at the first glance.

    But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say "In a = lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and didn't gain any money = at all". But who said that making good music should result in gaining = money? People do lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people= who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music= .

    "but the artists still should be free to decide to which opinion they belong and live..."
    =
    A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question= of information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it= would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have= to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses. By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom.=

    This is my view on the subject.

    Louigi.
    --00151747ba9c5e8a2204729e1d87-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 20:47:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB513BE8A; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Xjl+e2i+gT9n3P/EHLV/EhKOj3GxkKV2EWaLsoaKaSs=; b=TPnFaMzQ6kM1mcFjA6VeV7+qMMcRLa8WPlRUZ1bjtWzH8pKBs7R9mopKgpKjk2mmnv NqfIyOC8DgV+uj/OorS6wp/LeN9DM4hMH2w9Nm7eYocOCwG0bTDo0LzcX8t0bOgwJB9Z eU7u827qYPam4wB0x2mHZ3yqeV4NS7oLmuF1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tgk3hqyG6mKT/By1LPYBVpsrgFCrUFubzK/dOPuXpl9XsG0pYG/qxWyRHU8qPofYDn 06m4N7M7Gv2Zasc9b2CVkITO7jzYC49dIJshL58rPPiUlRYi7PsYDh/Mi4rqNKP3J7kA Zdg0SpTzD2J2MDByprbxxV7j7ZQt0pq0KXrOY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30909021125r2167f90an9c9cf7f86e2b94f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9403B5525FE84D78994A90ED746292D1@williamsteed> <4A9E359B.6090004@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0909020641g41ed1295yc040c6ff4462d7fb@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909021125r2167f90an9c9cf7f86e2b94f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:47:28 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909021347kadc57b1u3ab1abadfb45f7af@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: inspiring improvsations From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:47:31 +0000 (UTC) > On 9/2/09, Simeon Harris wrote: what > about Supersilent? everything they do is improvised On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Miko Biffle wrote: > Thinking Fellers Union: Not sure how much is improvised, but I would > guess a good amount. > I have some Super Silent here and would guess the most of it is improvised. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 20:51:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876AF3BEA4; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ozKpfADykFAM2OASHQaVaenof2gdlRxMGTOmFcxrPxA=; b=dkS5LBiynZmd8nxktM3leGsdIj0XkwlEkEe2n8Ke8ZdaUgFEzEuUM9kDDZNIeFRUV+ 1WK7p4fxszw2SaFxO5+S0hInAspjus0skyDznDwd3zvEYcnhNEk+S8mMYYvDJ2UEoJ6X vNsYgFvQ94XB7udbZnQOJkn6WkgnwfzCzGWds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=P7qpNcP+skr66UqTc+XAa9gZtT+VRDJt36aYT0Gfis+MCEoSD875N4XSP2UgckRF7T tePeDc7OgbwEH5T9YCQdcXiSfT4OhRPCgaeHHrm2FHStlFEuPI5fXdjTY0fae/YR/1b2 b6ejS6wo2fkZUNwBf6ofseZUuIZ8/JHqduG+E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:44:12 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:51:39 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-) However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures. Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage methods ;-) The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical instinct when confronting the un-known. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 21:02:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F0473BEB6; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 253322967/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al8BAOt5nkpPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI3HKEGwWKdg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,320,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="253322967" Message-ID: <4A9EDD87.8080802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? References: <9c3ebb9b0909021210q16ed9896x273155ae07c0903f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9c3ebb9b0909021210q16ed9896x273155ae07c0903f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:02:21 +0000 (UTC) whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply) then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage, they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron. andy Loaf citious wrote: > Hello LD! I've been off the list for some time now - pushing the > buttons and diving deeper and deeper into the EDP. > > But, my FC-7 has been funny since the day I got it new in the mail. So > now it's time to replace the buttons on the FC-7. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 21:34:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 976303BEC9; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA2BDA.89B7CEF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcosFTLMsY1cK5RtSNKo9fpc6WzB9g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <6a6TmC.A.JoD.9TunKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:34:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA2BDA.89B7CEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really like my Gordius Little giant, I've gotten used to the proximity of the upper tier switches to the lower tier, I was surprised to see Rocktron's All access flagship model list for over $1000, though it has many switches. I'm curious, Mark H, what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro? It seems pretty full featured and very well built. I mentioned this a while back as something for someone who only wanted a couple of switches but also expression pedal capability http://www.rocktron.com/frameset1.html Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01CA2BDA.89B7CEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 2 23:33:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A5E83BE85; Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pRDtyGocy6rLaz3edkNbh17ZIAItcvBzJ99V6jQRV/A=; b=kPvIudbSr8fsPeQsVqbUPwwu6uT49+29v7ZboyhAU9fqUhlA4slD7uOelXkh/Pwfna VAIokpE+W3zOweq05JymNIxfYn9OWTrZymE7iarfv0+N7BoxOdpNJjozHlebDXg7vggO dJEqly/VKzki6FoutakKZl8LOTYJARpS7KU1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=TSqq9Ns1XpVpkRIzNQU2ple/BJPzuCuBihZ/rmXXRjpzyxW908LkQLZvFmXiVlTqoT XKZAmD4/L80JCATjFskCnHMq8c8GEJ/8u3xLBaEY86esv1h4PoybeIkJn0o/u9+Wx1LA WWt1502nek1+G6WVFDM16GsWd0c11Ihv9OttQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:33:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 84c6ab3742049fff Message-ID: <101191640909021633p30b8bd03w572efe84aae46134@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363108257e01e60472a0b3e6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:33:59 +0000 (UTC) --0016363108257e01e60472a0b3e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html > > > > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I > don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical > instinct when confronting the un-known. > > I like that, Per. I used to set up musicians in a circle where each one modulated the pitch of what the next one was playing via the midi output from his/her own instrument - that way no-one even had deterministic control over their own sound. The whole purpose was to force a complete break in habits. -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com --0016363108257e01e60472a0b3e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Per Boysen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><perboysen@gmail= .com> wrote:
    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
    > http://www.nytimes.com/200= 1/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html



    The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what<= br> you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I
    don't agree with. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
    strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
    order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
    instinct when confronting the un-known.


    I like that, Per. = I used to set up musicians in a circle where each one modulated the pitch o= f what the next one was playing via the midi output from his/her own instru= ment - that way no-one even had deterministic control over their own sound.= The whole purpose was to force a complete break in habits.



    --
    Warren
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    --0016363108257e01e60472a0b3e6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 00:06:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42C773BE86; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ro0/vSuIuhp46MRwPHS40tNMxDn7WhQOELCPYuiyeeE=; b=w9PIXIQvosWPJhVMYPhbXv3cng8jPVxXCHIr2rXhYeSLNV4Q4amor42XS/TJiKtjPs Vl8pyzVMCToEHHZy8kfSpKoy4iSojqx4i4VDlzpcwT0nGxspTji7D0MHTgTK/emWcfjm kZf514Lx8yI/MWy0nk/CzQraccaU5wFmteULI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=H6prHzoo2ixRfvlPDbUlGYsCYSdCqQXjAtjLsvc3lFDqGo3aCiF7+2lHm7agQMyt55 +6cjE2kZ2oyqAmVynXOWRxFn/jqqsnfmrJ8ckevvThI4zPGU2ge/icEwRhHnB26nY4kX W+Ntydm1hlaj9FiHYPp01XjIerSlb5cHOFMpU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: milo.vuc@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20aeede50909021328u5f7431fdgf61fa4ca7c67ca8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20aeede50908260511x676bbb91rf85d6fa6f4e2488c@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908260627o1bad1d6aj881057f7b0643220@mail.gmail.com> <3f8d9ee60908260949s4c72f585l1b6be0480a13aee3@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270056n7fa8cefg1fc59ce224d96c66@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270336r4cff14f1qd8cf27857de45d3d@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50908270743u38fe384chb20e8958cfd27bb8@mail.gmail.com> <4A9E9DD1.9090008@googlemail.com> <20aeede50909021328u5f7431fdgf61fa4ca7c67ca8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300 Message-ID: <3f8d9ee60909021706w28a83ce2u3b3425c0877d04de@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Milo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona wrote: > This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster. This is just your point of view, your experience, your expectations. Not reality. Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company has a few more million dollars in their accounts, you are mistaken. People have given their lifes for the right to work, people have fought for the right to have a future, long before the internet. Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are real people, not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams. Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to close down, when a band can't afford to tour anymore, when a record label can't even pay the rent. 99% of the music industry is hard working people, small studios, indie bands, small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk, 100% of the damage. Not the superstars. > In > order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require > draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the > world in order to actually see it through. You don't understand how the law works, no one is spying on anyone. If you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a license, the director is not going to spy on you. He has better things to do, like make original films, for example. But you are liable for damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic log systems of the royalties societies? > Also, what if 10000 people use > it? If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then 10,000 lawyers are going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you are going to get caught, it is about when you are going to get caught. >Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music? How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his profession? > Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the > first glance. The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the indie artists to build internet corporations. > But > who said that making good music should result in gaining money? Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why shouldn't the artist earn a fair share? I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey, have you heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks for a new documentary". > People do > lots of good things and do not gain money. Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day, 360 days a year? > In fact, people who do gain money > in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music. Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired pieces of music, otherwise they would not make money at all. Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers, as a whole, worldwide. > A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of > information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it > would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have > to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses. > By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control > much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So > licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom. > > This is my view on the subject. > > Louigi. Music is an art, it is not information. The only information related to music that exists is album notes, press releases, bios and interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is interested in controlling its flow. Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various internet companies. Of course they want to present music as information, how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives, easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their customers? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 01:37:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B0933BE7F; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7gpGQg2sHOvK3LWbS/5zXD2bWH5SvHziCK2dOIVc6oU=; b=V+Ehtfz0pQPKx6EJx7UJWaUXHeVriip6zudGMZ7X0w41lZcv8uI17zAc8stnf2Wnfw c0NDKjlzfamvvcvOXMLNAoRwFJUlxAHz1ulc2eOjRtMydnvo0krbZLUmGwalXstaHsSG vFUPGPh/ZTRujqpcyTx/ZrffEos1CTaQy23gE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=BrrdlmPZXDt5IwEJZf8yUxDGghxZoB17NQfpQN5bY6H74scAXMdup7mpVfcwtdO6Az uOhaiouis/Xj1I5eqSzYbe9tW7GgUYcu6mFdUXakPmIMYVZz7e/kuC0aOwYIL7b8cl/v YxCGdkikEdWPzSGSLz1QROkNiG3gTAgfJPqDA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:37:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c1ab49008ef0472a26eb6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:37:53 +0000 (UTC) --0016e64c1ab49008ef0472a26eb6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 oops! i didn't nocticed the article was written by cage specialist, pianist margaret len tang. 2009/9/2 Per Boysen > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html > > A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-) > > However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing > here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of > yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures. > Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during > improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage > methods ;-) > i supose "strategies" would replace structures here, nicely. The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical > instinct when confronting the un-known. > i hope that musical instinct exists per se. this would prove that music is an essential part of life. can i have permission to use this wonderful quote, per. > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > -- Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com --0016e64c1ab49008ef0472a26eb6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops! i didn't nocticed the article was written by cage specialist, pia= nist margaret len tang.


    2009/9/2 Per = Boysen <perboys= en@gmail.com>
    On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Raul Bonell<raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
    > http://www.nytimes.com/200= 1/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html

    A very interesting quote! Thanks for notifying us, Raul! :-)

    However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
    here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of
    yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures. Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during
    improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage
    methods ;-)

    i supose "strategies" would = replace structures here, nicely.


    The heart of improvisation, IMH= O, is to have good
    strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in
    order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical
    instinct when confronting the un-known.

    i hope tha= t musical instinct exists per se.
    this would prove that music is an ess= ential part of life.

    can i have permission to use this wonderful quo= te, per.
    =A0
    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se
    www.perboysen.com




    --
    Raul Bonell at B= logger:     http://raulbonell.blogsp= ot.com
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com

    --0016e64c1ab49008ef0472a26eb6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 05:58:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 742923BE85; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 05:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_63479fb8-4070-4b9d-8552-d75143ffab53_" X-Originating-IP: [217.44.235.137] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: david toop article - nytimes - today Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 05:58:56 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2009 05:58:57.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0284440:01CA2C5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 05:58:57 +0000 (UTC) --_63479fb8-4070-4b9d-8552-d75143ffab53_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about what y= ou know=2Clike and feel.=20 I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it.. G >=20 > However=2C I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing > here=3B how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of > yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures. > Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during > improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage > methods =3B-) >=20 > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I > don't agree with. The heart of improvisation=2C IMHO=2C is to have good > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical > instinct when confronting the un-known. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_63479fb8-4070-4b9d-8552-d75143ffab53_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about wh= at you know=2Clike and feel.
    I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..<= br>
    G

    >=3B
    >=3B However=2C I think it lacks the dimension= we were recently discussing
    >=3B here=3B how to improvise new stuff w= ithout becoming "a cover band of
    >=3B yourself". The answer to that qu= estion is IMHO of course Structures.
    >=3B Not structures in music but = structures for how to stay creative during
    >=3B improvisation. In esse= nce not far from what she tells about John Cage
    >=3B methods =3B-)
    = >=3B
    >=3B The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you k= now and what
    >=3B you like and what you feel" is a quite personal defi= nition that I
    >=3B don't agree with. The heart of improvisation=2C IMH= O=2C is to have good
    >=3B strategies to throw yourself out of what you= like and what you feel in
    >=3B order to successfully experiment with = the reactions of your musical
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    >=3B
    >=3B Greetings from Sweden
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    >=3B Per Bo= ysen
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    Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how= . = --_63479fb8-4070-4b9d-8552-d75143ffab53_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 06:00:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FF43BE85; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6ab1e7e7-9d0b-4728-bcc0-ad54fc5195f1_" X-Originating-IP: [217.44.235.137] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: david toop article - nytimes - today Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:00:39 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2009 06:00:39.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD3DEE70:01CA2C5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:00:40 +0000 (UTC) --_6ab1e7e7-9d0b-4728-bcc0-ad54fc5195f1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry=2C I meant I don't think John Cage gets it... Neither do I get John C= age... G I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about what y= ou know=2Clike and feel.=20 I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it.. G >=20 > However=2C I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing > here=3B how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of > yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structures. > Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative during > improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about John Cage > methods =3B-) >=20 > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I > don't agree with. The heart of improvisation=2C IMHO=2C is to have good > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical > instinct when confronting the un-known. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com >=20 Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how. _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_6ab1e7e7-9d0b-4728-bcc0-ad54fc5195f1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Sorry=2C I meant I don't think John Cage ge= ts it... Neither do I get John Cage...

    G


    I'd go as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about wh= at you know=2Clike and feel.
    I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..<= br>
    G

    >=3B
    >=3B However=2C I think it lacks the dimension= we were recently discussing
    >=3B here=3B how to improvise new stuff w= ithout becoming "a cover band of
    >=3B yourself". The answer to that qu= estion is IMHO of course Structures.
    >=3B Not structures in music but = structures for how to stay creative during
    >=3B improvisation. In esse= nce not far from what she tells about John Cage
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    = >=3B
    >=3B The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you k= now and what
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    >=3B strategies to throw yourself out of what you= like and what you feel in
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    >=3B
    >=3B Greetings from Sweden
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    >=3B Per Bo= ysen
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    Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how.
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    2009/9/3 Gareth Whittock <buddhamachin


    Sorry, I meant I don't think John Cage gets it... Neither do I = get John Cage...

    <= div>
    ha,ha,ha=A0 .... i see a documentary where cage, talking to t.ducha= mp said the same about m.duchamp's work.
    =A0

    I'd g= o as far as to say that improvisation is specifically NOT about what you kn= ow,like and feel.
    I don't think Margaret Leng Tan gets it..

    G

    >
    >= However, I think it lacks the dimension we were recently discussing
    >= ; here; how to improvise new stuff without becoming "a cover band of > yourself". The answer to that question is IMHO of course Structur= es.
    > Not structures in music but structures for how to stay creative= during
    > improvisation. In essence not far from what she tells about= John Cage
    > methods ;-)
    >
    > The thesis "Improvisation is general= ly playing what you know and what
    > you like and what you feel" = is a quite personal definition that I
    > don't agree with. The hea= rt of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good
    > strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in=
    > order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musica= l
    > instinct when confronting the un-known.
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    --0016e6d977c0a1d6ff0472a62cce-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 07:18:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50C683BE84; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 253451053/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AokBAA8Kn0pPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI2jiEGwWKdg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,324,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="253451053" Message-ID: <4A9F6DF7.2060703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:19:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers References: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:18:26 +0000 (UTC) William Walker wrote: > *I really like my Gordius Little giant, I’ve gotten used to the > proximity of the upper tier switches to the lower tier, how'd ya do that Bill? I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I tend to hit the bottom row. It's something that's a real problem at gigs. (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support to rest the toe without pressing). I couldn't find any way to make it possible to use the top row with my heel on the floor, which would make controlled presses easy. ..of course, when it's not a gig the feet can do it perfectly andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 07:59:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7CA3BE80; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hv+tB83gz2w3i5ZLDWH5sQoyN/c7ZaQkdlBIrhEvJ8U=; b=loVV2fK/cACCavB1zJ4a1K9/yYOQIIBnhlXTuzHfbfAX3ujaVp49cUzpbHSAoB8WjC 7+DjNFpXRLfgI8H/0n7ziA0aiI1DGzuBIYEhMHhRo/SUibzToLhuKe5WhTE8r9mxfYe9 V9W8Z3edKbiSRLlO6cr0au8woUguEZcN8VQBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=agnqNLeH4u5NSix+XmJRkanMQmuV2njhVrKSyiX8LgvSUdgenNBXkZqT3lv5Dv0qDX LUSPKqh16Tj+e8qq/PytWvQj96CXl7S4vv0AeiCMda7pT+sjkQ/63Dmosi1te3ybDJG6 Zd2T/NOurB38sN4O2yzFeBH958i4jqPiFPuEo= Message-ID: <4A9F775E.30307@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:59:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Samples and looping References: <951513.61651.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <2871c3a90908271023w12e2c70ctfc3903ec5d514b19@mail.gmail.com> <3f8d9ee60908271042k476b5562yec0e2b9e065fbfdc@mail.gmail.com> <37f071c00908271459n4af122fch2de1581dd369384b@mail.gmail.com> <56368D36-B2B9-4EB1-A721-89126EBB8364@grubmah.com> <20aeede50908272320o2b6367e3sa59be5d6acc530de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20aeede50908272320o2b6367e3sa59be5d6acc530de@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Louigi Verona schrieb: > So it does not mean that artists shouldn't be payed - they should. But > there is no need to give them a fortune at > the expense of everybody's freedom. Providing them a living is quite > enough - and that does not require to pay or > even ask permission each time one of the 5 billion people of our planet > decides to use a piece of their work. If you are in a situation as artist where you hardly or not at all make a living, and someone else is making a fortune with your music this doesn't sound like a viable solution... In your statement your assumption is that an artist is making a fortune. which is only true for a infinite small amount of artists. Unfortunately the associations which are in charge of protecting the rights of artists almost solely protect those which make a fortune, its all about money its nothing about art and their creators... > I would say that as a decision one should credit the author if possible > - if the work is commercial you should credit the > author if you know who the author is. That would provide him with enough > attention and that attention would be quite enough, I believe. As artist I can decide to do so (see creative commons) but this is up to the artist. I could imagine to legally free art from its protection according to its public success and visibility. There are pieces of music which become an integral part of a culture like the "happy birthday" song (not free yet). The obligation to ask and pay for such a thing is absurd, especially as its popularity is not related to its internal quality. But I have no idea at all how to establish something like that. I'd also shorten the time the copyright is valid radically. And I would give the owners of inherited rights much less control over the whole process than the original creators. Within the Gema, the original composers are a minority, as the publishers and those who speak for already dead composers have more votes by design... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles---------x-- --_____-----------|-----------|-- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 08:00:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314513BE88; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pw0gA1ziws2vuAO81QLQyysOa1Nix/yTZRPJyTNr0pI=; b=Pd5bEvU3fVdyMll9VpzDdeq85knFSu9jQ25cdOO/7p933UN5RHwSiO9D7gmN80F6jx 4O4qn19A6WjrOM04h/FkMnB24f2N/GO1b+Xft3HEM1rn68vXNmLRnG+uMVEZB9OGYpey oh9RSaXbJWv6eKSKKXTW2eynMKJ4p7klgwcbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sXZ9d/sRgLqdDWNEw85Ava1pQx39XdfQdLT86wprpGT+BI1wvjcgdzggOhqXJOiDFS JlGq+SNeSUfy+juPS1BQl63VSHrFuMUgD6tSagfFyDxvWhAVlRqwtlizPPCjItXio6Jp A6Vw+Yw0hq05ORCxJbCJF18poLtTeYsDxvGgo= Message-ID: <4A9F77A3.7050402@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:00:35 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> <0F625F2E-066B-46BA-8248-0DC5A6194309@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <0F625F2E-066B-46BA-8248-0DC5A6194309@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:00:42 +0000 (UTC) tEd ® KiLLiAn schrieb: > I think, sink or swim, it is better to trust in the benevolence of one's > muse(s) to guide when one comes to the end of one's musical rope. > > Letting go of the rope is what faith is all about (a concept that I > think can be understood by both religious and non-religious types). Love that picture... Faith though needs experience, letting go of the rope as often as you can, you won't sink, thats my experience, in the end faith turns into knowledge. (And you learn to swim and you let the rope go way before the end...) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles---------x-- --_____-----------|-----------|-- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 08:01:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5483BE8E; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hJfyXQr+MVEubh9Ov9rer2J0Yu16cbYtKWDhqpmee2A=; b=St2uaHCuDK0vuDoIFOZlBKkbH/hStTN96sfiBEQQ34mxui8Hfx3A1TbxoYIESJ9TnD d86iQxzm5uDb6/cSy5biYcw/g59CSSrRkfyuGxSPhAOiFdvRCYYWTlBv6G9l2qwzt5Ik pFewVwue/o3zJRmRZwLoZNVIHe5io3hKoG4sg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wq7gMYn91x/F3XeDXqg7tzD6d+0kVMf5Y0ejX5e3zm3qAC0KATXWNLwAEY54bxyVJl AY7+Sg3Qs7EWb2Wgbw9oDs2EhjjL7ETGOgFMUysMXwAdp3j2LjBgCrVMd1Bqu6eFhEhS 2ZsmOgVdMHZsbcnfIeFe/JJwqRLs7rvNAPO/w= Message-ID: <4A9F77CE.4010808@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:01:18 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composition & Improvisation (was Re: Terje Rypdal was ECM guitarists) References: <4A966D28.8010903@cruzio.com> <028701ca2714$d68a7db0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <55F02831-DF05-4170-91BA-A3B589B0D093@grubmah.com> <101191640908280717j2b445c28p669e95d67301ea66@mail.gmail.com> <98C7C243-B776-4424-8B35-C9884CCF670C@grubmah.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Gareth Whittock schrieb: > > I hate playing without a structure - unless there isn't an audience. I'm > getting into recording my private jams of late and whilst there often > are "good bits" in there, I would not be comfortable imposing that > amount of essentially barren noodling on an audience. I prefer to > condense my work for live performance, with some scope for > improvisation. This may just be because I am not a natural improviser. > It's more composition for me. Don't mix up noodling on a recording with noodling in front of an audience. If its live, the audience appreciates it, even if its just noodling, because they are part of a process. And there is a chance that you get inspired and put up some magic moments. Noodling on a record is just boring because its missing that "being part of a process" which is the most important one in the concert situation... Composing is much harder, you compete with Beethoven...;-) Compare listening to Greatful Dead on a bootleg (replace with your favorite noodles), and being there at the event... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles---------x-- --_____-----------|-----------|-- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 08:22:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468473BE92; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 253473157/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkBAEoZn0pPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI2l6EGwWKeg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,324,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="253473157" Message-ID: <4A9F7CEF.6070205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:23:11 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Per > > The thesis "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what > > you like and what you feel" is a quite personal definition that I > > don't agree with. accurately(if that's meant to refer to the Cage quote) "Improvisation is generally playing what you know and what you like and what you feel;"...Cage to me, that looks like an observation, rather than a definition. Actually, isn't it true that most improvisation is done within a tradition? some non-jazz improvisation:- Indian Ragas Persian Dastgah Organ music( a strong tradition of improv upon a given theme). Korean Sanjo ( although recently tends to be non-improv). Javanese Gamelan( not composition, but structure) Albanian Kaba Turkish Clarinet music( which I think Gareth will like...probably) and no-one mentioned King Crimson yet?too obvious i guess andy butler ...by the way, David Toop is the absolute paragon of all that was ever bad about music journalism. ...um...imo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 09:20:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC233BE86; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xtw0x5kW57FTAI0eGC6ItBUH0DGmKHh3vJkKZDqt4IA=; b=L6zZrTsd3CKCOs7JwzwHF0AexJDvbqXlSsZhkxgvxz7uM+G+WqV1RJTEPMJT8cMLYA LJ6TQj2pBpoigIIm/0JHP4cFCdadbDuAKPi/KY9LIvnFshXUqM+0SKm6KbE3BVwHZwCr EXzI9uJ0QJU0rmCvQ2bQ01Ozujjion8mHnsd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rFz742WKhmPvS/T5N2WWELALCpeO0wkP66zebtkTpv3MvVcWvNOzbij7V852emw/XY Nip8TWX2eAjTpL0t3hWQzXpLUjqZIRW9uiX7SkjBlWJWyfyjcfSIBAz6d46Av/9hWLfi gnl2AQX+HvoECvnSMxWrZ+xoh6KVCGP/UuxyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <66f9cc1e0909021344x67006838s84b734bd5970027@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:20:57 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0909030220s76e0853dq62fcfddfed21bf54@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:20:58 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > The heart of improvisation, IMHO, is to have good >> >> strategies to throw yourself out of what you like and what you feel in >> order to successfully experiment with the reactions of your musical >> instinct when confronting the un-known. > > i hope that musical instinct exists per se. > this would prove that music is an essential part of life. > > can i have permission to use this wonderful quote, per. Certainly! But that's not something I have mocked up; It's the essence of zen (applied to musical improvisation). I guess that without "musical instincts" we wouldn't be able to learn languages, walk... or hardly interact with anything in the world. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From tomaleons@pnetmail.co.za Thu Sep 3 10:34:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 391 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:34:04 UTC Received: from n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.125.208]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 117F73BE7C for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n10.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2009 10:27:16 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2009 10:27:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2009 10:27:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 454279.55498.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49681 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2009 10:27:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20090903102711.49679.qmail@web111909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QU7RrmAVM1nB4mX0m1AaOXPgGWMXqUK9PV1eZY0VcIJBUpK_9mv4Ryt.eGe3xKUDFhsxpchGkcfMdmMZPUgFSCDj16nNAXp7rK.6cc6BnPf2le60scgNmK4nAsK5GWFdFlooT2mFP76CmXdiIv4iqUm_ntRQ3eIbDq6yHZC0SBbrZttq1i648pPrKg1nfWMoMWSyN6s- Received: from [41.222.192.89] by web111909.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:27:11 PDT X-RocketYMMF: tomaleons X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: TOMA LEONS Reply-To: tomaleons@pnetmail.co.za Subject: DID YOU AUTHORIZED THE BEARER? 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Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm (EDT/GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Ulrich Schnauss. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc one from "Far Away Trains Passing By" on Domino Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen at http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls on the internet. 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Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From benmark3jgg@hotmail.co.uk Thu Sep 3 11:04:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3901 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:04:50 UTC Received: from smtp2e.orange.fr (smtp2e.orange.fr [80.12.242.113]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A8B3BE7C; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2e.orange.fr (mwinf2e09 [10.232.14.37]) by mwinf2e20.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4B1111C05385; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2e09.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1A2FF80000F7; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:59:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2e09.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0B99680000F5; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:59:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from FS-bio (LPuteaux-156-15-58-53.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.117.53]) by mwinf2e09.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B7C6180000F7; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:59:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090903095934752.B7C6180000F7@mwinf2e09.orange.fr Received: from User ([208.38.181.121]) by FS-bio; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:26:33 +0200 Reply-To: From: "Ben Mark" To: benmark34aw@sify.com Subject: Second Notice. Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:27:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20090903095934.B7C6180000F7@mwinf2e09.orange.fr> Greetings, I understand that through Internet is not the best way to link up with you because of the confidentiality which my proposal demands. However, I have already sent you this same letter one month ago,but I am not sure if it did get to you since I have not heard from you, hence i am constrain to reach you through the Internet which has been abused over the years. I wish to notify you again that You were listed as a Heir to the total sum of (Three Million Six Hundred Thousand British Pounds) in the codicil and last testament of the deceased.(Name now withheld since this is our second letter to you). 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Mr. Ben Mark (Barrister) Telephone +447024095765 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 15:30:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782C53BE80; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "billwalker@baymoon.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:28:44 -0500 Subject: RE: MIDI foot controllers Thread-Topic: MIDI foot controllers Thread-Index: AcosFTLMsY1cK5RtSNKo9fpc6WzB9gAlgZaB Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEA972164@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEA972164barqsailpoint_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEA972164barqsailpoint_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro? > It seems pretty full featured and very well built. The problem I have with the GCP is that it has a limited number of momentary switches (send note/cc when pressed and another when released). It does not have "banks" of momentary switches like the FCB or AllAccess. Switches are configured in two groups, either "instant access" which are momentary and send CCs when pressed and released, or non-momentary that send one or more program changes. You can configure either 0, 4, or 8 switches for instant access and the rest send program changes. There are bank up/down switches but these only affect the program change switches, instant access switches can only send one thing regardless of which bank is selected. This is the main difference between the GCP and the AllAccess, with the AA you can have banks of momentary switches. And for this you pay another $500. It appears to be designed for guitar rigs where the program change banks select patches and the instant access switches turn individual effects on and off (they can also be configured as toggle switches). Since no one would *ever* have more than 8 effects to turn on and off I guess they thought these didn't need banks. For controlling an EDP-ish looper though this is a major flaw because there are way more than 8 functions that could use momentary switches. Jeff --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEA972164barqsailpoint_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


    > what flaws you find in the Ground Control Pro?
    > It seems pretty full featured and very well built.

     

    The problem I have with the GCP is that it has a limited number of
    momentary switches (send note/cc when pressed and another when
    released).  It does not have "banks" of momentary switches l= ike the
    FCB or AllAccess.

     

    Switches are configured in two groups, either "instant access"= which
    are momentary and send CCs when pressed and released, or non-momentary
    that send one or more program changes.

     

    You can configure either 0, 4, or 8 switches for instant access and
    the rest send program changes.  There are bank up/down switches but these only affect the program change switches, instant access switches
    can only send one thing regardless of which bank is selected.  This is=
    the main difference between the GCP and the AllAccess, with the AA you
    can have banks of momentary switches.  And for this you pay another $5= 00.

     

    It appears to be designed for guitar rigs where the program change
    banks select patches and the instant access switches turn individual
    effects on and off (they can also be configured as toggle switches).
    Since no one would *ever* have more than 8 effects to turn on and
    off I guess they thought these didn't need banks.

     

    For controlling an EDP-ish looper though this is a major flaw because there are way more than 8 functions that could use momentary switches.=

     

    Jeff

    --_000_7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEA972164barqsailpoint_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 16:04:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645E73BE81; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 352 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:04:16 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=8V7FNPhwOg4/MQRdviVo8BZo1Nf0ukj70tjVFvFUsp8=; b=i1cRhV3w+v4uFUsLVXTxagzualz0YekODCSgXt8Dek/ka8ALYc0W85iEsDpAes1ket TmJNQoh0oq0Xat7VVYm+C1PU8m+ZrYnuKZdbFNcexgtkQ8RT72PwHAPN2TN1S1Jhnfuv xdARL6t1Gz097MOgLVSQNsqo8SKqVueNTtdlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=KAFvDi6DrmmVa0ykCGA5hrxKoa7igPlky8/GLWqvB8jnm/v6jeaQDVu7NdhLnCwnCJ gA0u+rTV4G4W8muF3qfldl/FGxzBGadmNsYNYIoOukJ0gX1F5oZIoCBrJctOTPQdfV7W dbHIkMieh5p1IppoPXqtzpdymTTlWhmD2YxiM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:58:19 -0400 Message-ID: <9c3ebb9b0909030858p7dba2e21w5d1ec1240695aa83@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? From: Loaf citious To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d63ffff252c10472ae739f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:04:17 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d63ffff252c10472ae739f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, actually my implication was that the EDP I got on the last blow out from musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to start from scratch as far as the resistors go; worked great 89% of the time but, made me mad the very first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record. So, are saying that it does not really matter? Which one is better for accuracy? Thanks for you input! ""Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 +0100 From: andy butler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? Message-ID: <4A9EDD87.8080802@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply) then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage, they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron. andy"" --0016e6d63ffff252c10472ae739f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, actually my implication was that
    the EDP I got on the last blow = out from
    musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to
    sta= rt from scratch as far as the resistors go;=A0 worked
    great 89% of the t= ime but, made me mad the very
    first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record.

    So, are say= ing that it does not really matter?
    Which one is better for accuracy?Thanks for you input!

    ""Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 += 0100
    From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
    To: =A0Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage?
    Message-ID: <4A9EDD87.8080802@tiscali.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

    whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do


    If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply)
    then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage,
    they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron.

    andy"" --0016e6d63ffff252c10472ae739f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 17:04:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E762B3BE85; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3612 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:04:49 UTC Message-id: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:04:32 -0400 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Samples and looping Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:04:49 +0000 (UTC) I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a little more strongly, so I though I'd make an attempt. I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well reasoned rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louigi takes. I am disturbed that there are people that truly feel that they are entitled to use someone else's art for commercial gain without compensating it's author. It is IMO a colossal rationalization for theft of intellectual property. I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is information, and that because society benefits even from art that 'builds on' the work of others, it should not be subject to the most basic rules of commerce. The digital age has made the theft of intellectual property ridiculously easy. Behemoths like Microsoft, Sony, et al and the government that support their business models are desperately trying to shore up their leaking revenue streams. But I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to control the sale of works they produce, or more specifically, to give away their work while reserving certain rights. Many musicians have recognized that the traditional music business model doesn't work for them. So they're experimenting with making downloadable versions of their music available for free. This might even mean that the work is free for use by others in their own commercial ventures. But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone suggest that the author shouldn't be able to give away their work with certain restrictions on its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and acknowledged when the consumer downloads it, in an easily implemented Creative Commons license. Anyway, perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away from the view I grew up with: that art and music have integral value; that they're important somehow. I think artists are the eyes and even the conscience of a society, and have the same right to restrict the use of their art/work as any entrepreneur. They just may not be able to enforce those rights in a society that condones theft and exploitation. Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > Re: Samples and looping > From: > Milo > Date: > Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona wrote: > >> > This sounds reasonable, but in real life turns out to be a disaster. >> > > This is just your point of view, your experience, your expectations. > Not reality. > > Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you > think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company > has a few more million dollars in their accounts, you are mistaken. > People have given their lifes for the right to work, people have > fought for the right to have a future, long before the internet. > > Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people > lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are > real people, not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams. > Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to > close down, when a band can't afford to tour anymore, when a record > label can't even pay the rent. > > 99% of the music industry is hard working people, small studios, indie > bands, small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk, 100% > of the damage. Not the superstars. > > >> > In >> > order to control what everybody does with your music, you would require >> > draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every person in the >> > world in order to actually see it through. >> > > You don't understand how the law works, no one is spying on anyone. If > you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a > license, the director is not going to spy on you. He has better things > to do, like make original films, for example. But you are liable for > damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit > that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was > available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a > publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you > want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic > log systems of the royalties societies? > > >> > Also, what if 10000 people use >> > it? >> > > If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then 10,000 lawyers are > going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you > are going to get caught, it is about when you are going to get caught. > > >> >Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music? >> > > How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his > profession? > > >> > Clearly, this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only at the >> > first glance. >> > > The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the > indie artists to build internet corporations. > > >> > But >> > who said that making good music should result in gaining money? >> > > Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why > shouldn't the artist earn a fair share? > > I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey, have you > heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks > for a new documentary". > > >> > People do >> > lots of good things and do not gain money. >> > > Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day, 360 days a year? > > >> > In fact, people who do gain money >> > in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music. >> > > Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired > pieces of music, otherwise they would not make money at all. > > Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers, as a > whole, worldwide. > > >> > A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The question of >> > information control, however, concerns the whole society and in fact it >> > would influence the society more than the artist, since society would have >> > to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonuses. >> > By trying to control the flow of information, one unwillingly would control >> > much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of information. So >> > licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom. >> > >> > This is my view on the subject. >> > >> > Louigi. >> > > Music is an art, it is not information. The only information related > to music that exists is album notes, press releases, bios and > interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is > interested in controlling its flow. > > Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various > internet companies. Of course they want to present music as > information, how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives, > easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their > customers? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 17:57:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CECBA3BE88; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d6019af6-21c3-416a-a6b9-b6415519ef9d_" X-Originating-IP: [86.167.155.33] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: Samples and looping Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:57:40 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2009 17:57:41.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[0819C510:01CA2CC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:57:41 +0000 (UTC) --_d6019af6-21c3-416a-a6b9-b6415519ef9d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see it as theft. If I have a loaf of bread and someone takes it=2C = I can no longer eat it - that's theft. An idea arrives in the mind of the artist. It's a gift. Why should people a= ttempt to begrudge others the opportunity to listen/see that idea? How mean= and egotistical is that? Applying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my opinion.=20 Everything should NOT have a price. It's an age old Socialist/individualist= =2C Left wing/right wing=2C European/American dualogue. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that commercialism doesn't have it's pla= ce but music and money mix like oil and water. peace g > Date: Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 12:04:32 -0400 > From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Samples and looping >=20 > I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a little more strongly= =2C=20 > so I though I'd make an attempt. >=20 > I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well reasoned=20 > rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louigi takes. I am= =20 > disturbed that there are people that truly feel that they are entitled=20 > to use someone else's art for commercial gain without compensating it's=20 > author. It is IMO a colossal rationalization for theft of intellectual=20 > property. >=20 > I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=20 > information=2C and that because society benefits even from art that=20 > 'builds on' the work of others=2C it should not be subject to the most=20 > basic rules of commerce. >=20 > The digital age has made the theft of intellectual property ridiculously= =20 > easy. Behemoths like Microsoft=2C Sony=2C et al and the government that= =20 > support their business models are desperately trying to shore up their=20 > leaking revenue streams. But I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone=20 > suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to control the sale of=20 > works they produce=2C or more specifically=2C to give away their work whi= le=20 > reserving certain rights. >=20 > Many musicians have recognized that the traditional music business model= =20 > doesn't work for them. So they're experimenting with making downloadable= =20 > versions of their music available for free. This might even mean that=20 > the work is free for use by others in their own commercial ventures. =20 > But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone suggest that the author=20 > shouldn't be able to give away their work with certain restrictions on=20 > its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and acknowledged when=20 > the consumer downloads it=2C in an easily implemented Creative Commons=20 > license. >=20 > Anyway=2C perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away from the view I= =20 > grew up with: that art and music have integral value=3B that they're=20 > important somehow. I think artists are the eyes and even the conscience= =20 > of a society=2C and have the same right to restrict the use of their=20 > art/work as any entrepreneur. They just may not be able to enforce=20 > those rights in a society that condones theft and exploitation.=20 >=20 > Dan Ash > White Plains=2C NY >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Subject: > > Re: Samples and looping > > From: > > Milo > > Date: > > Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300 > > > > To: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > On 9/2/09=2C Louigi Verona wrote: > > =20 > >> > This sounds reasonable=2C but in real life turns out to be a disaste= r. > >> =20 > > > > This is just your point of view=2C your experience=2C your expectations= . > > Not reality. > > > > Thousands of art workers around the world disagree with you. If you > > think they will just sit back and wait until every internet company > > has a few more million dollars in their accounts=2C you are mistaken. > > People have given their lifes for the right to work=2C people have > > fought for the right to have a future=2C long before the internet. > > > > Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check out how many people > > lost their jobs in the last five years because of piracy. Those are > > real people=2C not forum avatars. They have real families. Real dreams. > > Yes=2C that is the truth: people lose their job when a studio has to > > close down=2C when a band can't afford to tour anymore=2C when a record > > label can't even pay the rent. > > > > 99% of the music industry is hard working people=2C small studios=2C in= die > > bands=2C small labels. Those are who are taking 100% of the risk=2C 100= % > > of the damage. Not the superstars. > > > > =20 > >> > In > >> > order to control what everybody does with your music=2C you would re= quire > >> > draconian measures and you will have to literally spy on every perso= n in the > >> > world in order to actually see it through. > >> =20 > > > > You don't understand how the law works=2C no one is spying on anyone. I= f > > you use a sample from a movie and you release the album without a > > license=2C the director is not going to spy on you. He has better thing= s > > to do=2C like make original films=2C for example. But you are liable fo= r > > damages from the first day of release. Do you want to risk a lawsuit > > that will force you to pay money for all the years that the album was > > available? Do you want to spend the rest of your life waiting for a > > publisher somewhere to notice your music playing on the radio? Do you > > want to risk your unlicensed material being tracked from the automatic > > log systems of the royalties societies? > > > > =20 > >> > Also=2C what if 10000 people use > >> > it? > >> =20 > > > > If 10=2C000 use a sample without a license=2C then 10=2C000 lawyers are > > going to make some extra money sooner or later. It is not about if you > > are going to get caught=2C it is about when you are going to get caught= . > > > > =20 > >> >Is it necessary to receive so much money for one piece of music? > >> =20 > > > > How can you possibly know how much money an artist has invested in his > > profession? > > > > =20 > >> > Clearly=2C this business model is flawed and seems reasonable only a= t the > >> > first glance. > >> =20 > > > > The only business model that is flawed is the model of stealing the > > indie artists to build internet corporations. > > > > =20 > >> > But > >> > who said that making good music should result in gaining money? > >> =20 > > > > Good music is used by many industries and companies to make money. Why > > shouldn't the artist earn a fair share? > > > > I have never heard a music supervisor/director say "hey=2C have you > > heard any bad music lately? I have to find some really awful tracks > > for a new documentary". > > > > =20 > >> > People do > >> > lots of good things and do not gain money. > >> =20 > > > > Do they do those good things for 8 hours every day=2C 360 days a year? > > > > =20 > >> > In fact=2C people who do gain money > >> > in many cases fail to deliver an inspired piece of music. > >> =20 > > > > Most artists who make a living from their art are delivering inspired > > pieces of music=2C otherwise they would not make money at all. > > > > Your assumption presents the music listeners as stupid consumers=2C as = a > > whole=2C worldwide. > > > > =20 > >> > A person can decide for himself when it concerns only him. The quest= ion of > >> > information control=2C however=2C concerns the whole society and in = fact it > >> > would influence the society more than the artist=2C since society wo= uld have > >> > to abide by the license and the artist would only wait for the bonus= es. > >> > By trying to control the flow of information=2C one unwillingly woul= d control > >> > much more than that - personal freedom. That's the nature of informa= tion. So > >> > licenses are a matter of freedom - everybody's freedom. > >> > > >> > This is my view on the subject. > >> > > >> > Louigi. > >> =20 > > > > Music is an art=2C it is not information. The only information related > > to music that exists is album notes=2C press releases=2C bios and > > interviews. All this information is free for the public and no one is > > interested in controlling its flow. > > > > Calling music as information is the favorite game of the various > > internet companies. Of course they want to present music as > > information=2C how else are they going to sell bigger hard drives=2C > > easily exploited social networks and traffic statistics to their > > customers? > > =20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/= --_d6019af6-21c3-416a-a6b9-b6415519ef9d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't see it as theft. If I have a loaf of bread and someone takes it=2C = I can no longer eat it - that's theft.
    An idea arrives in the mind of th= e artist. It's a gift. Why should people attempt to begrudge others the opp= ortunity to listen/see that idea? How mean and egotistical is that?
    Appl= ying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my opinion.
    Everythi= ng should NOT have a price. It's an age old Socialist/individualist=2C Left= wing/right wing=2C European/American dualogue.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm = not saying that commercialism doesn't have it's place but music and money m= ix like oil and water.

    peace

    g

    >=3B Date: Thu=2C 3 S= ep 2009 12:04:32 -0400
    >=3B From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net
    >=3B To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    >=3B Subject: Re: Samples and loo= ping
    >=3B
    >=3B I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks = a little more strongly=2C
    >=3B so I though I'd make an attempt.
    &g= t=3B
    >=3B I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it is a well rea= soned
    >=3B rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position Louig= i takes. I am
    >=3B disturbed that there are people that truly feel t= hat they are entitled
    >=3B to use someone else's art for commercial g= ain without compensating it's
    >=3B author. It is IMO a colossal rati= onalization for theft of intellectual
    >=3B property.
    >=3B
    &g= t=3B I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=
    >=3B information=2C and that because society benefits even from art = that
    >=3B 'builds on' the work of others=2C it should not be subject = to the most
    >=3B basic rules of commerce.
    >=3B
    >=3B The di= gital age has made the theft of intellectual property ridiculously
    >= =3B easy. Behemoths like Microsoft=2C Sony=2C et al and the government tha= t
    >=3B support their business models are desperately trying to shore = up their
    >=3B leaking revenue streams. But I'm not sure I've ever he= ard anyone
    >=3B suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to con= trol the sale of
    >=3B works they produce=2C or more specifically=2C t= o give away their work while
    >=3B reserving certain rights.
    >=3B=
    >=3B Many musicians have recognized that the traditional music busin= ess model
    >=3B doesn't work for them. So they're experimenting with m= aking downloadable
    >=3B versions of their music available for free. = This might even mean that
    >=3B the work is free for use by others in= their own commercial ventures.
    >=3B But I'm not sure that I've ever= seen someone suggest that the author
    >=3B shouldn't be able to give = away their work with certain restrictions on
    >=3B its use - restricti= ons that may be clearly stated and acknowledged when
    >=3B the consume= r downloads it=2C in an easily implemented Creative Commons
    >=3B lice= nse.
    >=3B
    >=3B Anyway=2C perhaps it just reflects a cultural shi= ft away from the view I
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    >=3B
    >=3B Dan As= h
    >=3B White Plains=2C NY
    >=3B
    >=3B
    >=3B
    >=3B &= gt=3B Subject:
    >=3B >=3B Re: Samples and looping
    >=3B >=3B Fr= om:
    >=3B >=3B Milo <=3Bmilo.vuc@gmail.com>=3B
    >=3B >=3B D= ate:
    >=3B >=3B Thu=2C 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300
    >=3B >=3B
    = >=3B >=3B To:
    >=3B >=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    &= gt=3B >=3B
    >=3B >=3B
    >=3B >=3B On 9/2/09=2C Louigi Verona &= lt=3Blouigi.verona@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
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    >=3B >= =3B>=3B >=3B This sounds reasonable=2C but in real life turns out to be= a disaster.
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    >=3B >=3B = This is just your point of view=2C your experience=2C your expectations.>=3B >=3B Not reality.
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    >=3B >=3B Thousands of = art workers around the world disagree with you. If you
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    >=3B >=3B People have given their lifes for the right to work=2C p= eople have
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    >=3B >=3B Do you want to hear a= bout real disasters? Check out how many people
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Find out how. = --_d6019af6-21c3-416a-a6b9-b6415519ef9d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 19:31:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48373BE86; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:31:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Samples and looping Thread-Topic: Samples and looping Thread-Index: AcosuKdfoDQlN/c2TAOjXEevavalXAAEftUg Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714AFEAB4AD22@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <4Tp99B.A.orD.ZmBoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:31:37 +0000 (UTC) > I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out before - that art is=20 > information, and that because society benefits even from art that=20 > 'builds on' the work of others, it should not be subject to the most=20 > basic rules of commerce. This is a theme in the open software movement which seems to have influenced Louigi's thoughts on music licensing. I don't have any useful opinions on how art should be licensed, but I'm not sure open source philosophy applies here even though you could think of digital audio as "code" that needs to be "free" so people can "build on it", blah, blah. I don't have a problem with open source, but I do find it interesting that people involved with open source projects generally make very comfortable livings. It's easy to give something away and crow about the good things you're doing for the world when you're pulling down six figures. Imagine a parallel universe where programming and software were valued at the level that composition and recordings are now. No one wants to spend money on software because there are enough cheap alternatives that are "good enough". It is impossible to make a good living writing software though some people will try, living in poverty because they love what they do. How many chest thumping open source evangelists do you think we would have in that universe? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 19:48:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0A63BE80; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QDL8gd7ax82OAp7iNYcmsuSMbqisD5dyL9m0E+5fhMs=; b=YO93jLz77xWxemZqtUkKIdJZPSyzglTOl5/c6uN5t9SVJ/5P7W00cto2tkG6ofk++5 D+1CvnCsAqdx0zPIA23HbN15WWUY1VCl34roAYnfNpr7YBM11AS5KRKnOQ/LeHHnDnoj fdn2nsOiaddDfkOd4udUZCAV7vhzK/a26sFyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rDdvQosEIDcl7ZweUXAvEqrMGA8HsDe0AMQ+4Qr0EGYPspZwTxf0+X8k7jqOtJW1HA VGFbKA8Qmp5VcEMAh+yrVdMVD4oD553yWXyUPO618viKfpsKXyrA5gBiC71pr329Kh7M 5ObTcRwnaPW1ZMmIQZNwzHz2cYmBmHHVL9sFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:48:20 +0400 Message-ID: <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Louigi Verona To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce044b463bc0f0472b1aa47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:48:21 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce044b463bc0f0472b1aa47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gareth: yes, I view it very similarly. Dan Ash: Actually, there is a lot in what you say that I agree with. In these questions the problem lies in the assumption that they are simple matters that can be resolved by throwing in a couple of arguments. But this is not true, those questions are quite complex. And very often people misunderstand each other. Reading replies, I can see that some people misunderstand me since initially we approach the question from different perspectives. In short, I would say that I simply do not try to view art as part of an "economical ecosystem" at all. My argument speaks about inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world as part of the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present at all. I believe that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is missing the whole point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this without turning this discussion into a philosophical book. I would say this though - it is a very positive discussion and such discussions allow us all to take a peak at other people's opinion. Let us value such experiences. And also - complex questions require time. Think this over. Get experience from life in this matter. Maybe over time you'll see my position is not that ridiculous. Maybe on the contrary, you will see you cannot agree with me. Either way, it is fine. Louigi. --000e0ce044b463bc0f0472b1aa47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gareth: yes, I view it very similarly.

    Dan Ash: Actually, there is a= lot in what you say that I agree with. In these questions the problem lies= in the assumption that
    they are simple matters that can be resolved by = throwing in a couple of arguments. But this is not true, those questions ar= e
    quite complex. And very often people misunderstand each other. Reading repl= ies, I can see that some people misunderstand
    me since initially we appr= oach the question from different perspectives.

    In short, I=A0 would = say that I simply do not try to view art as part of an "economical eco= system" at all. My argument speaks about
    inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world as part of = the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present at
    all. I be= lieve that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is missing the whole = point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this
    without turning this discussion into a philosophical book.

    I would s= ay this though - it is a very positive discussion and such discussions allo= w us all to take a peak at other people's opinion.
    Let us value such= experiences.

    And also - complex questions require time. Think this over. Get experie= nce from life in this matter. Maybe over time you'll see my
    position= is not that ridiculous. Maybe on the contrary, you will see you cannot agr= ee with me. Either way, it is fine.

    Louigi.
    --000e0ce044b463bc0f0472b1aa47-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 19:51:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559103BE89; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 253845663/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.213/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggBAAO7n0pPTorV/2dsb2JhbAAI21+EGwWKew X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,326,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="253845663" Message-ID: <4AA01E7F.6040504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:52:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? References: <9c3ebb9b0909030858p7dba2e21w5d1ec1240695aa83@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9c3ebb9b0909030858p7dba2e21w5d1ec1240695aa83@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Loaf citious wrote: > Well, actually my implication was that > the EDP I got on the last blow out from > musicians friend was a rush job (imho) and I wanted to > start from scratch as far as the resistors go; worked > great 89% of the time but, made me mad the very > first day - right out of the box - edit mode via record. not likely the resistors were at fault. ...the switches...yes > > So, are saying that it does not really matter? Yep. It's a low power circuit, so a low wattage resistor is ok. It never hurts to use a resistor of higher than specified wattage, just means the component is bigger and more expensive. > Which one is better for accuracy? 1% metal film resistors is the necessary spec for accuracy > Thanks for you input! enjoy your loops a > > ""Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:03:03 +0100 > From: andy butler > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: FC-7 resistor wattage? > Message-ID: <4A9EDD87.8080802@tiscali.co.uk > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > whatever the lowest wattage is, that will do > > > If you're really good at destroying resistors (as you imply) > then it wouldn't hurt to go for higher wattage, > they'll be more forgiving of bad treatment with the soldering iron. > > andy"" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 20:16:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79D103BE91; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OdkHsnOdOFUORYxKDnp/NXWkNa4WzNE0gRqo7vkNUAw=; b=SBEb479EJPEpkFK14O7a9G1v/v40Ce1TXjyrUChUYG4tXyMJ0cCHDLysfv6a3T0H4f mnJnQvLeDiCt06oC4y0s3NlQ/Daw89W0BvI/DDQmw7hqe/iAXGMplz9tSx/WXGxIhRhE ghd8om7pq/vonxYEZWt15LZxhWfH7oLM9WoD0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=hOvK1LknmSoWNV7+ijm2uWqI/fmUau3Pu7ntZRO4DBIpnfzhuVMu789a59dhTDXs4w cdLoVgNkZCBJrIaLdlmai7tbqEIeBjAgc6oSnu7PkNJc4RxeeskEJWLMPjzognJet6Fi nEzTjoJAmouZoWfpiKDoNCQ1Kw5Gzi8YJXgYs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:15:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <_-1O5D.A.OZG.AQCoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Louigi wrote > In short, I would say that I simply do not try to view art as part of an "economical ecosystem" at all. My argument speaks about inspiration, art, giving away something valuable into the world as part of the creative spirit - in this equation money is not present at all. I believe that pricing art and arguing who owes what idea is missing the whole point. I am afraid I cannot further explain this without turning this discussion into a philosophical book. To have an argument which isolates items such as "inspiration, art, giving away . . . as part of the creative spirit" ignores the fact that these actions ARE a part of an ecosystem, which requires some form of balance. For instance: To say this about an automobile or human body, and speak only of one of various modules in isolation ignores the larger picture of how the system functions could fail without the balance of the entire system. Remove food from the human ecosystem and death follows sometime later. Remove the heart or any other vital organ and bad things occur. I would equate gasoline or nutrition as the missing ingredient in this discussion about art. How is one to provide food and shelter if their primary activity is art? Giving it away does nothing to address the time spent, overhead incurred (equipment). So unless it's a hobby and you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is unbalanced and will have a very short life span. I give my stuff away because I abhor the daily toil of the music "business", especially the culturally retarded infrastructure currently available. -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 20:51:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F763BE89; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=F4Bu6JHC/7qYeqw0Ig1Q3UuTCvrfvuvbddyYk6uWXDE=; b=G1tGWdil4NHzy8BNuJk+ktuTpRwWAHjEICUkyHLsWUtNJPLbaRgLlEH9hwQBzxO4X5 f20ByGle8qTuxvaLEpDmqtp7sT521dzeVxwvUqvSlshzwEA/ZEcJVhaEM2AqGI4BVdyx O/tQFVIeKT3Wj1zHrWHExt89hZR7/XMDvxlos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=gfPlxWW4/7zV6XGKL4klk2iuRffrkjpmSws8EDRR8Wkwtwv3ENVsBWRzp2oFOm8oQI yH2Ot9TFqiQ+TmbOPLvZ/6Fu5Girpc8s+C57RpB2mFLgidoFSrNbHIYozLRDlkG8r+70 sTZp+C2vOVD2Q2UC3WizUJ444eSg/Rz+Tat80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:51:20 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0909031351p5f704236sab855802cd11149b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5BVirtual_Gig_Sp=E4m=5D=3A_The_MoinSound_Studio_Sessions_=2D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Anniversary_Broadcast=2C_Saturday_Sept=2E_5th_1600_UTC?= From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:51:22 +0000 (UTC) The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via video streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary: This Saturday, September 5th, will see the 10th session in this series, which has in the past contained bedroom guitar playing, leather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimalist electronic bleeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video processing. Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local time conversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd) URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions This session will feature an undisclosed guest appearance on odd electronic noise (featuring various delays, sampler and effects) and video processing. Looking forward to see you there! Rainer --- http://moinlabs.de http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions http://vimeo.com/moinlabs http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 3 20:57:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114293BE89; Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hFOEPECbM3jORhjHNhUI8vCk9NX7HzszmFXTa5GBU3Q=; b=GVdOdUNKggp2HOeYJXWE85DA9yDLaev/Ce/VDXjx7E8SlnsQIvtoqxgZGswvz7RbFC NZ/5Jf7j+YN7q+VYqnWod/q948rp8owyTV+NzDgQ1EFJa3R6h75c3uUU3j5mNUi7UmB6 1xkbrhbiEGtrplqKFRZP5m3y/9yws9ZB1Qk5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=wYC7INwTRV3b8wDFSufbbcRr0uJTth+8bQhiWQ7aZRA5D8cN91qxmBpoIHKanfyVk3 6JHx2+w/oW/RLeUS7aJE/GQdDHVKuxMxgWM+P+I3XtVeqgcRiwrg+t6gJTkZ/VbG7Nkt C+wDMwM2hKnLr8UWc6TlKjvh07psCTIvuPTW0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A9F6DF7.2060703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <39B26C097BE34E7B96F434D1AEA3CC71@williamsteed> <4A9F6DF7.2060703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:57:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: MIDI foot controllers From: Sjaak Overgaauw To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:57:18 +0000 (UTC) > I find that any time I need to hold down a button in the top row I tend to > hit the bottom row. > It's something that's a real problem at gigs. > (not a problem with fcb1010, where the buttons lend enough support > to rest the toe without pressing). > > I couldn't find any way to make it possible to use the top row > with my heel on the floor, which would make controlled presses > easy. I agree with you Andy. The Gordius is a fantastic controller in terms of specs and possibilities but I hope the 2nd generation will be flat model ;) -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ http://livelooping.be/ http://euroloopfest.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 02:34:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D907B3BE84; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 02:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=5e1KIkfVwmzRe/GLwyFmRipNW5k6i/14m4P2rA/Si+c=; b=cTfT9hFrXiyszuexuyebDnTlWoBh2U+2GYxVwplmp4Lm6m/SBdu7OAgZh0+S0LkyPf 26ibKo+TbA5MPoLXfdFAGpBVtfY/o2rTCXZd5dzRlLc/WoFjPjFZPZqmNOPgp6Sytmqu tpwP1htXTHUDw0/J0jhZv3C7RomPUb6OWIIik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=iGRsEtMI/u29DHGG/1M46OHJXldf+Wk21p03Gh9mK7oCXeuUpuMD7V1gz6hnQZ2Mnc azTsJQQ5oEPjaGgQTzDKASZE/e7Fh7V/dVMvnIZgjfJhz+1CoWaCkzq9jN4W3RAO+mli uRn7k5nov/0tTojrYzn8ZndFvSZQ8gJwCCflg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:34:10 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60909031934u6f507019g81ea341dbac613bc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [Virtual GigSpam and other] Sunday Morning at 11 this Sunday plus... From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173ff2e0bff95b0472b755b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 02:34:11 +0000 (UTC) --0015173ff2e0bff95b0472b755b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'll be following suite with Rainer this weekend, doing my bi-weekly *Sunday Morning at 11* live webcast series, this Sunday morning at 11am EST. I'm probably going to cut short my normal hour performance and do @30 minutes in lui of a busy weekend with much birthday celebration (my daughter and I each turn a year on Saturday). I'll be doing my mix on Sunday of improvisational looping pieces and non-looped pieces, on oud, guitar and electric violin. Last Sunday morning cast I used Mobius for the first time in about a year and really enjoyed coming back to it so I will continue experimenting with it this weekend. My broadcast URL is http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-11 - please tune in if you are around this weekend. For time conversion in your locale visit http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock . Also as part of my birth month I decided to document each evening around this time with a short solo oud improvisation. I began on the 1st on Tuesday, capturing live to webcam, one take each day and releasing. The 1st I did on My Space web capture and then decided to switch to YouTube's webcam capturing which all the nights from the 2nd on are and will be on my YouTube page . Here is the offering for Sept 3rd, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jza3waB4ueI . At month's end I may edit them all together to make one piece though I'm not quite sure right now. Lastly I'm in fundraising this month for the annual *JDRF Walk for the Cure*that I'll note in another email. It's a series of walk events that raise money for diabetes research of which my daughter is afflicted. I have a friend in Sweden that I occasionally collab with through NinJam. He is also diabetic. We're planning to record a series of pieces from NinJam this month and release as a recording with proceeds going to JDRF. More about that a bit later. So reminder this weekend tune in for Rainer's webset at 1600 UTC on Saturday and my cast on Sunday at 11am EST. Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend and those observing the Labor day holiday a peaceful restful holiday. Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --0015173ff2e0bff95b0472b755b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll be following suite with Rainer this weekend, doing my bi-weekly Sunday Morning at 11 live webcast series, this Sunday morning at 11am = EST. =A0I'm probably going to cut short my normal hour performance and = do @30 minutes in lui of a busy weekend with much birthday celebration (my = daughter and I each turn a year on Saturday).

    I'll be doing my mix on Sunday of improvisational loopin= g pieces and non-looped pieces, on oud, guitar and electric violin. =A0Last= Sunday morning cast I used Mobius for the first time in about a year and r= eally enjoyed coming back to it so I will continue experimenting with it th= is weekend.

    My broadcast URL is http://www.ustream.tv/channel= /sunday-morning-at-11 - please tune in if you are around this weekend. = =A0For time conversion in your locale visit http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock<= /a> .

    Lastly I'm in fundraising this month for the annual= JDRF Walk for the Cure that I'll note in another email. =A0It&#= 39;s a series of walk events that raise money for diabetes research of whic= h my daughter is afflicted. =A0I have a friend in Sweden that I occasionall= y collab with through NinJam. =A0He is also diabetic. =A0We're planning= to record a series of pieces from NinJam this month and release as a recor= ding with proceeds going to JDRF. =A0More about that a bit later.

    So reminder this weekend tune in for Rainer's webse= t at 1600 UTC on Saturday and my cast on Sunday at 11am EST.

    =
    Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend and those observing the Lab= or day holiday a peaceful restful holiday.

    --0015173ff2e0bff95b0472b755b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 06:27:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013903BE7C; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 06:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=queTCGqQ5TpCxWuAQgStsnjQOy04CEdYNaw+VUJ+saA=; b=RGycBB2Dk9wiD2qLLsnoFul2A6PsADZWhGE2X/mHNhKA0f+cGF3eg5XcYn6T5JC7gR rgw+QtsxRBPkAxcGtCR5xLxkibFjcmzziWIIDrmLlYMHY2IA2kUUZ56C9+wOPvap93lT gwmOB5uTDenASBpQJ429RSndqeVBL8w9eOxSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=AZm3Nug5DzFnvMa3ZXqeDKe5Hp1689lPpEV4BwhxYcMDdrk9Au9Y5b0IytWC1LURRL J2vfYpRhaLLH/El2T203uCy+DkGi0z58ZyQwrxTlJhUf/53OvuAiKhjkS2SaTrlVQ9QZ IZ+pnkfC44dB//1AuPHon28Z15zq23f2+sTIY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:27:36 +0400 Message-ID: <20aeede50909032327h916370ake8fd21b157590c0b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Louigi Verona To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0269e9550250472ba9814 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 06:27:37 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce0269e9550250472ba9814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Howdy Miko! You are of course correct - in real life the economical issue IS present. However, in all discussions about copyright and licenses I believe that its role is over emphasized. Really, making a living is usually not a problem. I have a friend who does music for a living. When he doesn't get a lot of booking (he plays gigs) or when he doesn't get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games) - he gives occasional English lessons. He is very far from starving - he lives fine and does what he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses over the public. "So unless it's a hobby and you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is unbalanced and will have a very short life span." Wanted to comment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking about a hobby. But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent, a gift that is more than a hobby - when art is part of a person's life and moves that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not compose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a hobby. And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too vividly present. Some time ago in this discussion someone mentioned this article: http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/ It is a very nice one. I really like how they put the economical issue in the right perspective, gave it a right priority. They have a nice word for it - enabler. Louigi. --000e0ce0269e9550250472ba9814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy Miko!

    You are of course correct - in real life the economical = issue IS
    present. However, in all discussions about copyright and licens= es
    I believe that its role is over emphasized. Really, making a living i= s
    usually not a problem. I have a friend who does music for a living.
    When= he doesn't get a lot of booking (he plays gigs) or when he doesn't=
    get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games) - he gives occasio= nal
    English lessons. He is very far from starving - he lives fine and does
    w= hat he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses over the public.
    "So unless it's a hobby and
    you provide food and shelter with another vocation, the system is
    unbalanced and will have a very short life span."

    Wanted to com= ment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking
    about a hobby.= But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent,
    a gift that i= s more than a hobby - when art is part of a person's life and
    moves that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not=
    compose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a = hobby.
    And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too viv= idly present.

    Some time ago in this discussion someone mentioned this article:
    http://tucowsinc.com/news/2009/08/copyrights-creative-disincentive/
    It is a very nice one. I really like how they put the economical issue = in the
    right perspective, gave it a right priority. They have a nice wor= d for it - enabler.

    Louigi.
    --000e0ce0269e9550250472ba9814-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 07:17:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443E53BE80; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8Uo7dvRsWUcbEQ/3STUwK1P2irlMGN4sp/O0aaqZhJk=; b=ZfAWCCC2xpglWOsxdOGj2khsfWXLzW2UE/SXhS6YVLLA+NaKgIKC+EDoVP6dXNH0Hq 1pZgsB8c0LMVRk43Ue5PQg2/RH0DNpAVxNSq2Hz1unl5dBMq292vWYxYhft78fE8JFT1 Z2y/QdUHoP5FuQ0RlS+Stky5U2Fx1JxUIuO/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZwKKkNIrWVujSXTin2xsypCGyx9FDuujR6Hk7QY5RGgbnKueisDLk81yWd5I+Xsd4v utg8eP7O++S6B9D4GACIXQ2XY2f5TYsQYo/bJ0CzORmpvCSvqj9YhzVc9Xl5hrUXUitI 064eYY83kYa7XAY+yW7nJq5JSO/0kMt1lhjDA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20aeede50909032327h916370ake8fd21b157590c0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50909032327h916370ake8fd21b157590c0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 00:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909040017l550f4388r2495d63d63928696@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:17:49 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Louigi Verona wro= te: > Howdy Miko! > You are of course correct - in real life the economical issue IS present.= However, in all discussions about copyright and licenses I believe that it= s role is over emphasized. Hi Louigi, I'd bet that there are very few situations where a striving artist's work is somehow used by another for substantial gain, so you are probably correct that copyright and licensing issues simply don't matter. The concept of relinquishing your legal claim to your own work IS troubling though=97It's the first step towards the ultimate devaluation of your work. Whether you choose to give it away or charge, it should still be your choice. > ... Really, making a living is usually not a problem. I have a friend who= does music for a living. When he doesn't get a lot of booking (he plays gi= gs) or when he doesn't get a lot of orders (he also writes music for games)= - he gives occasional English lessons. He is very far from starving - he l= ives fine and does what he loves without imposing over-restrictive licenses= over the public. Your anecdote about making enough to live is just another of many stories=97some with less agreeable outcomes. So, my main concern is that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used commercially. >> "So unless it's a hobby and you provide food and shelter with another vo= cation, the system is unbalanced and will have a very short life span." > Wanted to comment on this to a bit. You are correct if we are speaking ab= out a hobby. But also keep in mind that there is such thing as talent, a gi= ft that is more than a hobby - when art is part of a person's life and move= s that person to a point that it is not possible for this person to not com= pose or not write or not paint. In such case it is much more than a hobby. = And perhaps in this case the economical issue is also not too vividly prese= nt. When I say "hobby" I only mean that it doesn't earn your living. In NO way do I suggest that a hobbyist has any less talent, drive, passion, or absolute need to create=97I believe those who continue to create with NO compensation and are forced to do other work for a living, may actually be driven by a more powerful muse than those who work commercially. They may also choose to avoid the pitfalls of committing their security and other real concerns to the shaky endeavor of trying to earn a living through art. It's all about choice my friend. --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 07:23:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E136F3BE82; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dHBQ37WH4YhB6gy88wLl6L+ZmM2m/65JbSS/FW2kYvs=; b=uvBKMfzLRju9m0fQIO9gMupGPOyEzgLjHVLFsmsoG0wjmPVgqmtOWMwsAyGVVTzvN8 f8EQGyBoshn+r5Dp561TnL6c3594YK3IE3VoaXYLbr8pkDWsqXdyBd+DD6w4Qq+G+k+a zEZztUIsg+b85MqUoSx6gzv5TXfu12xzlx+Uc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=O6sDu0OjjrCnfnXQv+NMQm9lRA3tzwm/FjY3Z0ZhpiKtXgt97K1qn75y0v4fkvUwUT wQa0QDhqOCzvUxu5X+8VbZLcAptaUWuMEhGRz6jeQpSFyGysTtEY4TzOvUGasOyDVrZl 6pJhdUS+qVir9XHe09k/NMCQWseg2ZrJIrmtM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30909040017l550f4388r2495d63d63928696@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50909032327h916370ake8fd21b157590c0b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909040017l550f4388r2495d63d63928696@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:23:05 +0400 Message-ID: <20aeede50909040023k9737c76ia15ce46a28a9233e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Louigi Verona To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151744843a079c170472bb5fac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:23:06 +0000 (UTC) --00151744843a079c170472bb5fac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "So, my main concern is that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used commercially." Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without draconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply impossible without creating absurd laws that would bound how people use their computers. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is trying to do. So while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done? Louigi. --00151744843a079c170472bb5fac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 "So, my main concern is
    that the artist should decide just how their material is to be used
    commercially."

    Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without
    draconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply
    impossible without creating absurd laws that would bound how people
    use their computers. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is
    trying to do. So while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done?

    Louigi.
    --00151744843a079c170472bb5fac-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 14:53:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3659C3BE85; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1340 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:53:09 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=BoWt3X0f6dLXbr/53KyK5ZZjx9IGjcCGJiBpAgm3Kfo=; b=O+Hvir0j+3yyOwToTJTD1YyajHIllbArA0fQ0+kphxKzVm40IkFU4uzPetgVTv4gUS MpAewWgAPren3pCEV6hlG9Szl3Nv7DzIHrTQioyZZ1p65w0i5PKaTv/CwWSIPlpTV+fO 6H2D9zSVyYC2A8wvNKfdc6oOuTp4vK2WoCWjc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vlqwXkKp8pqLlP8SIf827Hg3XxRjvwqPLnjzGOPHVBmjFMtxtmVeOM9pknv9njPtQt UwgvnEMtzIny1+ytfINEDN+mD9flj0hLroCXTAWI9OGSr+jkq+zB9QBxw3Nl7lUOkVvH yf5yZeeWhyKTZRcoN3MaJEvYQtJupQyRp3650= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: <70c51fab0909040730s474bba35pc58d6b34c0e65b08@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Which loop machine? From: Tim Watson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd8d29ee0d10472c158b5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:53:10 +0000 (UTC) --0015175cd8d29ee0d10472c158b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac. I am confronted with: 1. Digitech Jamman 2. Boomerang + 3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one, but does not allow reverse Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance, Timbo --0015175cd8d29ee0d10472c158b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,
    I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita= r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a= view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac= .
    I am confronted with:
    1. Digitech Jamman
    2. Boomerang +
    3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super
    =A0
    These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c= ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one= , but does not allow reverse
    Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
    Timbo
    --0015175cd8d29ee0d10472c158b5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 15:01:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D092A3BE87; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:01:20 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=MOETo4Q+0KuFHr/9DllW/zp/hXouBW6TSmpRZqNUXfU=; b=TfVJzAGpn/gatpcaht9n1s/OOMliHT8c+jJdiPpBnvkiqIaN42/BJC0Z3d2lEdnuiY amiLJU4x1jyvjG9J6HTQFaiertAnL6WX/UqXAj9z5NrE7BWrlzCs9UPbPvpuHL+2Wq+F cRceYhtTfRTYXZhpmMueyw4fsGFqNeOgp2Zjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wuavVoHmVLpU+WIpZIeKWv9nUEiRy1sIw6kabtlrf7zLZwRCWQ9GKHMuJN30k0EeUH JiF/oJEHIxbKWOfgAXWmkJCmJR1fQtsdyYsZvdX0VmsPWLbWC7v4aYCEtPM8bbKwAdxF SaFGCw52ca94rOBftjfRIC0qKc3jAwBCQzk6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:34:15 +0100 Message-ID: <70c51fab0909040734w3cc2af52q4ef901cdf63e82c0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Looping machine...and thanks From: Tim Watson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d0398fe73040472c16411 Resent-Message-ID: <4UXSuB.A.aeF.AvSoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:01:20 +0000 (UTC) --0015175d0398fe73040472c16411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Thanks for including me in the loopers forum. I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac. I am confronted with: 1. Digitech Jamman 2. Boomerang + 3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one, but does not allow reverse Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance, Timbo --0015175d0398fe73040472c16411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,
    Thanks for including me in the loopers forum.
    I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita= r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a= view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac= .
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    3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super
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    These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c= ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one= , but does not allow reverse
    Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
    Timbo

    --0015175d0398fe73040472c16411-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 15:19:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA393BE7E; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1602 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:19:19 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=SZAsoaERi++cBtOjX/7GTRAtXfoeXh8wzWXIDUxI7Os=; b=fGW0zBy78HIaSX0yAUCfak2vdPuqPJ7WSp1OdyO11+YwLwJvX7020eEGRGa/gh5g5s Yt/U5jkC3eaJ1BhHLuby/54Bl34B73GxG0WE7rMC6oK0uPnXiRcWxzC6teNuxD6o0eQB 8f5csdpkLOY8Z1DPtZDvxqtHyC9Jvf+ssB628= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=NmFL/ot1A3nnwwpKCmEHhgrFTaY8UVokuVEh17Jx098SWpc6OIl7cinbDU67Y/GybN sXJfQhNa4gwvxzTPC6fvdPHWVoH9OXaxt5wNGqiX9tji/7LF1xK5tKYx7euwXDJMT2Th N5zVkVuBnUpdStGXL82SNIEVW24xHS62t2ASQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:52:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: anybody out there in NH? From: radio radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e1f95da7b0a00472c1a68a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:19:19 +0000 (UTC) --001636e1f95da7b0a00472c1a68a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I move there in a couple of days. -Eben --001636e1f95da7b0a00472c1a68a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I move there in a couple of days.
    -Eben


    --001636e1f95da7b0a00472c1a68a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 15:20:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 704C73BE8D; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=FDS3+5RLqgH90dRJtYJ/OpgyvPU1IM64ZNLdv8hq1ps=; b=c7HeVAhuT7izQPmn0hDTI1BDWSq8EeDAewGeFuLoPROfZ1cXr9DtGsjOD5BKxW338z cwks74YPWT47QNpmYLhzUi9xwisdpLFxheO/MhL0G/VmpTf/gBZ670n17AVEt4igcESg pWC45HbBpL8oiqSM2eG9aJPHbqy8Bpo7AUTao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qDfRTqHGLrmSGwDgmN11y6QRebnoMfZBw0PPmSXN6VzcVAiOwzX737e76iKomIch65 Okq2cm5ZU7z2xpGDe2gGL+zofwjKrRcJifHj3U2ZJRvh6Z5kqc8q14ZTEEhcC+dt0PKG gNl6rnABCHdGCv89Sbp44iQSDSo3Bt1r7sVKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:20:08 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0909040820r5f9b97bakd5e667ea863190c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Looping machine...and thanks From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Tim said: "I am confronted with: 1. Digitech Jamman 2. Boomerang + 3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one, but does not allow reverse " First of all, welcome to this odd corner of the world! One thing in advance: the rules for this list include using plain-text mail - just mentioning that because your message arrived as HTML. I noticed you're using google mail - you find the option for this right above the window for the message text (to the right of the formatting icons, there should be an option "plain text". Click that, and you're fine). About the loopers: Now it's always hard to tell which looper is "best", because a lot of factors play a role there: price, form factor (floorboard), hardware/software solutions, connections, feature set, number of parallel loops and so on. Your priorities usually are affected by the way you make music, the setting you're playing music in etc. Your list seems to be missing the Roland products (which is ok 'cause I don't like them), as well as the Line6 (LM4 or something) and some more. For starters, there's a big comparison chart courtesy of our Per Boysen at http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Usually my first recommendation to any new looper is to try borrowing any looper from a friend who has one, and then working with it and see how it fits into your musical approach and which features you need and which you don't. Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 15:28:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182B93BE90; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4AA131EE.3080307@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:27:42 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #648 for September 3, 2009. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:28:41 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/090903.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #648 September 3, 2009. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc one from Far Away Trains Passing By on Domino Records. Ulrich Schnauss: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) John Ellis Matsu Kaze Wabi-Sabi 21© (Japan Project1) Jonn Serrie and The Rivre of Heaven Hidden World Beyond (none) Gary Stroutsos Marc Hans Rummig Talos Lullabye Alien Hymns (none) Rainow Serpent Geyser Field Elektrik Cowboys (Ricochet Dream) 3 Seconds 0f Air Dead Poets Sing the The Flight of a Song Sunless Land (Tonefloat) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ulrich Schnauss Knuddelmaus Far Away Trains Passing By disc 1 (Domino) Ulrich Schnauss Between Us and Them FATPB disc 1 (Domino) Ulrich Schnauss Passing By FATPB disc 1 (Domino) Ulrich Schnauss Blumenwiese Neben Far Away Trains Passing By Autobahn disc 1 (Domino) Ulrich Schnauss Nobody's Home FATPB disc 1 (Domino) Ulrich Schnauss Molfsee FATPB disc 1 (Domino) Terraambient Visionquest Wanderlust (Lotuspike) vidnaObmana I An Opera for Four Fusion Works Act Two: Phrasing the Air (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ulrich Schnauss. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from Far Away Trains Passing By on Domino records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=95658555829 RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 15:31:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29F643BE99; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=AhfrNfFEGPlvzMavQNJvT/O+uMOr/v1YYDL/V6xYUiM=; b=POmhjI2aqJZRrOY8jq77xKDkJZ1LG8AzCP4O7jaN9gmkkHKBH9hI9WCyVmg683HE/+ Vyv506VS4yZsFJEWrlpdfgq3iUxKe/jQ9xzfPlWKPGZsSEzC1ABIspvtiT5eJEECUkZz 4jbtqN33MwqfzM+pBP65e3uVmZeEk0X8XPzjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=Z/PE0znIYvFDaI6+rpEjkdAdCPQWS0EwxiB3l5/wpoJCWRu6+C10ivDsXnGGZAao8v Y2v9pLpI37dtjisg/DjsG89om8KY+s9G9ovkWsPPmj/zM6KDQegGqBDMsKY4NeTRiqg/ 0gB1hhvVcUE8fJ46M2bScGjCZbI7HJLKyW+Uk= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:508885763 Message-ID:<508885763-1252077826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1929716640-@bda727.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: aleger@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping machine...and thanks From: "Alex Leger" Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:23:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:31:07 +0000 (UTC) SSd2ZSBnb3QgdG8gY29udHJhZGljdCBSYWluZXIgb24gdGhpcyBhcyBJIGxpa2UgdGhlIFJvbGFu ZC9Cb3NzIHByb2R1Y3RzLCAgaWYgeW91IHdhbnQgdGhlIHJldmVyc2UgZmVhdHVyZSBhbmQgbXVs dGlwbGUgbG9vcHMsIGxvb2sgYXQgdGhlIFJDLTUwLCBJJ3ZlIGJlZW4gdXNpbmcgaXQgbGl2ZSBm b3IgYSB5ZWFyIHdpdGggZmV3IHByb2JsZW1zDQotLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0t DQpGcm9tOiBSYWluZXIgU3RyYXNjaGlsbA0KVG86IGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRl bGlnaHQuY29tDQpSZXBseVRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQ0K U3ViamVjdDogTG9vcGluZyBtYWNoaW5lLi4uYW5kIHRoYW5rcw0KU2VudDogU2VwIDQsIDIwMDkg MTE6MjAgQU0NCg0KVGltIHNhaWQ6DQoiSSBhbSBjb25mcm9udGVkIHdpdGg6DQoxLiBEaWdpdGVj aCBKYW1tYW4NCjIuIEJvb21lcmFuZyArDQozLiBFbGVjdHJvLWhhcm1vbml4IDI4ODAgc3VwZXIN Cg0KVGhlc2UgZGF0ZSB0byAyMDA2Li4uYXJlIHRoZXJlIGFueSBuZXdlciBtb2RlbHMgb3V0IHdo aWNoIGltcHJvdmUgb3INCmNvbWJpbmUgZmFjZXRzIG9mIHRoZSBhYm92ZSAzIG1haW4gY29udGVu ZGVycz8gVGhlIEphbW1hbiBzZWVtcyB0aGUNCmJlc3Qgb25lLCBidXQgZG9lcyBub3QgYWxsb3cg cmV2ZXJzZSAiDQoNCkZpcnN0IG9mIGFsbCwgd2VsY29tZSB0byB0aGlzIG9kZCBjb3JuZXIgb2Yg dGhlIHdvcmxkISBPbmUgdGhpbmcgaW4NCmFkdmFuY2U6IHRoZSBydWxlcyBmb3IgdGhpcyBsaXN0 IGluY2x1ZGUgdXNpbmcgcGxhaW4tdGV4dCBtYWlsIC0ganVzdA0KbWVudGlvbmluZyB0aGF0IGJl Y2F1c2UgeW91ciBtZXNzYWdlIGFycml2ZWQgYXMgSFRNTC4gSSBub3RpY2VkIHlvdSdyZQ0KdXNp bmcgZ29vZ2xlIG1haWwgLSB5b3UgZmluZCB0aGUgb3B0aW9uIGZvciB0aGlzIHJpZ2h0IGFib3Zl IHRoZQ0Kd2luZG93IGZvciB0aGUgbWVzc2FnZSB0ZXh0ICh0byB0aGUgcmlnaHQgb2YgdGhlIGZv cm1hdHRpbmcgaWNvbnMsDQp0aGVyZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgYW4gb3B0aW9uICJwbGFpbiB0ZXh0Ii4g Q2xpY2sgdGhhdCwgYW5kIHlvdSdyZSBmaW5lKS4NCg0KQWJvdXQgdGhlIGxvb3BlcnM6DQpOb3cg aXQncyBhbHdheXMgaGFyZCB0byB0ZWxsIHdoaWNoIGxvb3BlciBpcyAiYmVzdCIsIGJlY2F1c2Ug YSBsb3Qgb2YNCmZhY3RvcnMgcGxheSBhIHJvbGUgdGhlcmU6IHByaWNlLCBmb3JtIGZhY3RvciAo Zmxvb3Jib2FyZCksDQpoYXJkd2FyZS9zb2Z0d2FyZSBzb2x1dGlvbnMsIGNvbm5lY3Rpb25zLCBm ZWF0dXJlIHNldCwgbnVtYmVyIG9mDQpwYXJhbGxlbCBsb29wcyBhbmQgc28gb24uIFlvdXIgcHJp b3JpdGllcyB1c3VhbGx5IGFyZSBhZmZlY3RlZCBieSB0aGUNCndheSB5b3UgbWFrZSBtdXNpYywg dGhlIHNldHRpbmcgeW91J3JlIHBsYXlpbmcgbXVzaWMgaW4gZXRjLg0KDQpZb3VyIGxpc3Qgc2Vl bXMgdG8gYmUgbWlzc2luZyB0aGUgUm9sYW5kIHByb2R1Y3RzICh3aGljaCBpcyBvayAnY2F1c2UN CkkgZG9uJ3QgbGlrZSB0aGVtKSwgYXMgd2VsbCBhcyB0aGUgTGluZTYgKExNNCBvciBzb21ldGhp bmcpIGFuZCBzb21lDQptb3JlLiBGb3Igc3RhcnRlcnMsIHRoZXJlJ3MgYSBiaWcgY29tcGFyaXNv biBjaGFydCBjb3VydGVzeSBvZiBvdXIgUGVyDQpCb3lzZW4gYXQNCmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubG9vcHJv b20uY29tL2xvb3BlcmNoYXJ0LnBocA0KDQpVc3VhbGx5IG15IGZpcnN0IHJlY29tbWVuZGF0aW9u IHRvIGFueSBuZXcgbG9vcGVyIGlzIHRvIHRyeSBib3Jyb3dpbmcNCmFueSBsb29wZXIgZnJvbSBh IGZyaWVuZCB3aG8gaGFzIG9uZSwgYW5kIHRoZW4gd29ya2luZyB3aXRoIGl0IGFuZCBzZWUNCmhv dyBpdCBmaXRzIGludG8geW91ciBtdXNpY2FsIGFwcHJvYWNoIGFuZCB3aGljaCBmZWF0dXJlcyB5 b3UgbmVlZCBhbmQNCndoaWNoIHlvdSBkb24ndC4NCg0KWW91cnMsDQoNCiAgICAgICAgICAgUmFp bmVyDQoNCg0KDQpDaGVjayBvdXQgdGhlIHR1bmVzIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYmV3YXJldGhlbGVvcGFy ZC5jb20NCkRvbid0IGZvcmdldCB0byBzaWduIHVwIGZvciB0aGUgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 16:02:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5DA73BE97; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=8DOPqrV8wTOglIdgQlhNRherkpDNV/FO3oGME4R5eik=; b=WT4y9ZytrB6FQlvUJ4zpiKHIoOBCXQvaIIKO1vwJ2Sp3ePAEqRbj06NKdrNYGkpdUj zPHuvqiWhK1SrP3/L0RqtdbzJB3BYapQpQ1eH/G6LU0RD+9owYYa3BqlvOzJ/gu4lUxY M7/9dsoCV2gLkYX865Zuys6nTujSLlHDNcxGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RAySeZpiO2qVCDg/1wCZo4IEts8Q9SFDxD/mhuepoj29Hsq922Whu14k7ADohsCMuP VpGWJDukzTxI1Wd5XatgXIC9yhc2kP8ZKZGfm8tgEXiUYRAkRy7VCUTntPYSJBbniJBA doXwuDfUeef9vjsGi+vl0uFb0TdirFAxi85mM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:02:21 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0909040902p571680b6w72678e70557ed185@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping machine...and thanks From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Alex Leger said: "I've got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss products" You're not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does not in any way conflict with the fact that I don't :). Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay mode), it's worth mentioning that: * the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature non-volatile loop storage, * the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint, * the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks (all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I'm not sure about that detail, but then again it's not a "looper" by LD definition, as it doesn't allow for overdub). The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 16:18:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF593BE8A; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uRcoHfA6SWvTgUlr+6p/65iFYARygrQAEK031yPir54=; b=w0DnbvYBmk/IzBHiEDttthe4Fpy5Jw/959jEqo3CbI+QBHGkYRHyrCBdWVCs9mEFGQ Vkc+bbu2vdi/x2YfMlgxzerDEr8sMmrz6w7fItdVoh7Csq7PrpEPFnuOcMV+dbYGXSnt KO0GHnP4AjlTItzRo9sAbnlxzsUXnKgov09+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kGsYKnA/WM1Iuo5O9VUeqoCEmWqIQjvZ+7Imbwyucf2UARPJBt4MAjilYo72t9DsBZ Ty8sDPUeaGVF3+wZ1AdyK2sHB9+BHgh3Mh99y9sMCKHj33dP640KhRD5OEDVwvbhHuKM FwOsFRoTuWrlG2G3YHxa88+8dYjV5iWgjSD8k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <70c51fab0909040730s474bba35pc58d6b34c0e65b08@mail.gmail.com> References: <70c51fab0909040730s474bba35pc58d6b34c0e65b08@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:18:00 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: d5235928d878991f Message-ID: <101191640909040918t585003a9n668e8acdcc0d972b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Which loop machine? From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636283c440ace8e0472c2d8de Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:18:01 +0000 (UTC) --001636283c440ace8e0472c2d8de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You could try out SooperLooper or Mobius, free programs, if you have a midi device to trigger looping from (a few electronic drum pads would work for that, most guitarists use a footpedal). With either of these programs, you should run them as standalone and use something like the (also free) Jack audio routing system to get audio from logic and back. SooperLooper at least can be used as a plugin, but Logic 8 has trouble dealing with plugins that generate clocks (although this may not be true if you don't try to have logic sync to external clocks). I'm a big devotee of laptop looping, some others here would advise a hw device as you're proposing. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tim Watson wrote: > Hi, > I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguitar > skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a > view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac. > I am confronted with: > 1. Digitech Jamman > 2. Boomerang + > 3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super > > These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or > combine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best > one, but does not allow reverse > Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance, > Timbo > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com --001636283c440ace8e0472c2d8de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could try out SooperLooper or Mobius, free programs, if you have a midi= device to trigger looping from (a few electronic drum pads would work for = that, most guitarists use a footpedal). With either of these programs, you = should run them as standalone and use something like the (also free) Jack a= udio routing system to get audio from logic and back. SooperLooper at least= can be used as a plugin, but Logic 8 has trouble dealing with plugins that= generate clocks (although this may not be true if you don't try to hav= e logic sync to external clocks).

    I'm a big devotee of laptop looping, some others here would advise = a hw device as you're proposing.

    On F= ri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Tim Watson <timwatsontim@googlemail.com> wrote:
    Hi,
    I am new to this. I am predominantly a percussionist, with some gguita= r skills and some voice skills. I would like to launch into looping, with a= view to performing live and also song building in Logic 8 express on a mac= .
    I am confronted with:
    1. Digitech Jamman
    2. Boomerang +
    3. Electro-harmonix 2880 super
    =A0
    These date to 2006...are there any newer models out which improve or c= ombine facets of the above 3 main contenders? The Jamman seems the best one= , but does not allow reverse
    Any advice would be greatfully received...many thanks in advance,
    Timbo



    --
    Warren
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    http= ://www.warrensirota.com
    --001636283c440ace8e0472c2d8de-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 16:22:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3863BE98; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 433 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:22:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fGZCyc+M+COo0chAMHMp9HaEWuvZWa1EY2TEoyikevs=; b=CYVNLuP0wUxSPSOP3MUdAN4axw1xR2Syracg0SWwrILJdR/aNZSuowWanbchlc/2ix z3Y2Wk4l83lAwVXWl6/xRircW6Wj80K4vmdwET/l4JxpgzLGEke3Ukrmc24T47r0Vr0y GA7idAkSNVD0N0WTfkgKp6UBxeXRwPRuSWIgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=e8KmaKRpTeMPghCK2MkUE6ynHaGvgCbqaQNhyBVa5+a+tZWPzzTJkdGwS3QQhJjWK8 6Fn/WG6O9VFSM0ZXo8fh/jlUJMyZv+xE1J8HRp+F4+G9u+7/6NuC7ZV8ee2zdt+Ab0Zh PBZ7OvpSsWG9E914SNJaerDCAR6vlNnkNxTk0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0909040902p571680b6w72678e70557ed185@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0909040902p571680b6w72678e70557ed185@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: <843294eb0909040915q39e5f15ay4f8f27f17f04eaf2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping machine...and thanks From: Alexandre Leger To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0d64085d42e0472c2ce0f Resent-Message-ID: <4dOtx.A.yOB.O7ToKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:22:38 +0000 (UTC) --000e0ce0d64085d42e0472c2ce0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Absolutely. The RC-50 does have lots of limitations (can't output different "phrases" to different outputs). But for song based looping it works really well. It does massively garble the output though if you try to change the tempo mid loop. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Alex Leger said: > "I've got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss products" > > You're not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does > not in any way conflict with the fact that I don't :). > > Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact > that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the > DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay > mode), it's worth mentioning that: > * the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature > non-volatile loop storage, > * the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint, > * the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks > > (all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi > Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop > storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I'm not sure > about that detail, but then again it's not a "looper" by LD > definition, as it doesn't allow for overdub). > > The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented > approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work > for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people). > > Rainer > > -- My music is at http://www.bewaretheleopard.com Be sure to check it out and sign up for the mailing list! --000e0ce0d64085d42e0472c2ce0f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely.=A0

    The RC-50 does have lots of limitations (can't o= utput different "phrases" to different outputs).=A0 But for song = based looping it works really well.=A0 It does massively garble the output = though if you try to change the tempo mid loop.



    On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rai= ner Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
    Alex Leger said:
    "I've got to contradict Rainer on this as I like the Roland/Boss p= roducts"

    You're not contradicting me at all - the fact that you like them does not in any way conflict with the fact that I don't :).

    Leaving my personal dislikes aside (which are mainly based on the fact
    that no RC looper does what I envision from a stompbox looper - the
    DD20 is a different beast though, and I really enjoy using it in delay
    mode), it's worth mentioning that:
    =A0* the RC20 (or was it the RC20XL) was the first looper to feature
    non-volatile loop storage,
    =A0* the RC2 is the looper with the smallest footprint,
    =A0* the RC50 is the only stompbox looper which features multiple tracks
    (all of these facts to the best of my knowledge, and the ZVex Lofi
    Loop Junky does have a small footprint and features non-volatile loop
    storage and it even came before the Bosses, although I'm not sure
    about that detail, but then again it's not a "looper" by LD definition, as it doesn't allow for overdub).

    The RC series are targeted at a crowd with a very song-oriented
    approach, and for that they seem to work just fine, so they may work
    for time just the same they work for you (and lots of other people).

    =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer




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    --000e0ce0d64085d42e0472c2ce0f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 17:32:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ADD63BEA2; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252085532; bh=orYNpjGmZm4lJjMNDhAjnr+IWU/xlseGx6/+llZTpfo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vUfQhcg7e8CjSB4UlR/UrhjTGd3t4PLTxy1yvseYBsP9fxOI3SsBpgkixnUpwETE8Gik8ysTpRTl0XahYzD6rluh9+hfMlfLE4/6xrOJVuuUkoyaLKSxmVLtXgPggzeT1ra83NiD73JFjc0TuDnKTrr5iCZx1IQ0eMFkpRiy878= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WBZBR4i93VSncF4R7070FC3F+Ka/q2QTxkI/zpUh0c1DoFjbvh87IFCs5151a3NXVkFCgNZ33agulx3DWUEWNzLmYzu/3965jB5krJH99IqvQSBr4JmLpbcXbwjFpWh+K1QzEMl4GqvuXVYUPQw3VDADbinZItlrnmrwFeLao80=; Message-ID: <465639.7801.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3Pj78.gVM1kwIxF0NaVNUyDpu2hr0rW4Kkp6AUQEvbGzeSuo7M9SP1uK.Qm_.8LgFPe4.rhQtWDufNNIKh8K55Ym4lcWiYoBvv76g7CjkIJE2WjgLvtmEeFtjGMvyzREzc0OdSnl2ILrJTxS2btk9uVp6atG4SNm6ph7OHMrz.pNb1lYJmMVavxC1oMJCogWGacK.bAJfn4HKauwvKhTEkyijEy7IQRXiCY1J.ET2FbqlT87OhMAaY75Ixnhg7R_vXgEBQGAeFptVe82slS9kEeQmYEb.voHT46LLcm.KLQJyV0IKlPLJ0XJOd0zGoYV3ykxIJzw3LgAO_sCADI7qPYWBDqCNBU7EpCkz2KSBPxMMhebSaUJOhZdV0XxnCPwUxx8aQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: tim echols Subject: RE: Samples and looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <5z5pZC.A.IiD.c8UoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 17:32:13 +0000 (UTC) In the inumerable Variations on a Theme by Paganini (whether by Brahms or whoever) the original artist is given credit, and substantial reworking and additions are added by the "borrowing" artist, shall we call him. Of course, the sound recording is not used, as sampling was confined to replaying the notes themselves for most of history. Artists were paid upon the completion of each work by patrons and some artists were widely regarded as no-talent plaigarists. Not until the advent of the sound recording does the situation change much-- the system of publishing the printed score in a folio to enable people to recreate it at home was how the artist (or more likely their publishing company, like Boosey and Hawkes) made money off of his work. Many might claim that the score of a piece should now be as open-source as people claim the recording should be, and in this day and age it seems prudent to make online copies available as an educational aid. But. For someone to take anyone else's work and use it TO MAKE MONEY without compensation going to the original artist has been deemed infringement of copyright as much to ensure the rights of the artist to exert control over his work as to insure the bottom line of the corporation that exploits said artist. (And these are increasingly often the same!) Samuel Beckett and his estate are well-known for seeking injunctions, rightly or wrongly, against performances that they find not true to the spirit of the play. Art is not open-source software that other programmers add to and delete to create a more functional product. In the cases where artists blurred the lines (Warhol's Marilyn or Campbell's soup prints or Paul's Boutique) there was debate about where the line was in the use or misuse of others' material. (Has anyone else seen the Vanilla Ice interview where he is trying to explain how the riff in "Ice Ice Baby" differs from the Bowie/ Queen source material? A sample (speaking of samples): "Theirs goes 'bing bing bing da da bing bing,' but ours goes 'bing BING bing bing da da bing bing," right?") So now that sampling is endemic in our society, we are supposed to just throw out copyright protection as antiquated and outdated? There seems to be no argument that you can do anything in the privacy of your bedroom studio that you want but that your creation will be under scrutiny once it is played publicly and especially if it is packaged as a product to be sold. So clear the sample-- what is the big deal? True, Paul's Boutique could never be recorded in this day and age and be a marketable product. But even then there was a copyright both for the piece and the recorded work which had to be applied to the new world of samples and the ramifications took years to sort out in court cases. So, as long as there is no money being made off of the work that the sample is used in, it is fair use. If you are going to make money off of something, should it not be your own? And if you use someone else's work to make money, should they not be compensated? Just because many people think that works of music should be free to download as one pleases does not somehow legitimize the use of samples free of charge in works DESIGNED TO MAKE MONEY. That is the difference-- if you are using someone else's work TO MAKE MONEY, whether the work is given away for free to sell concert tickets or merchandise or whatever, they have the right to demand that you clear that use with them before you do so. Yes, all great works are built standing on the shoulders of giants. They aren't built looking over their shoulders at their work, copying it down and calling it one's own. time --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Gareth Whittock wrote: > From: Gareth Whittock > Subject: RE: Samples and looping > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 12:57 PM > > > > #yiv1974056895 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv1974056895 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > > > I don't see it as theft. If I have a loaf of bread and > someone takes it, I can no longer eat it - that's > theft. > An idea arrives in the mind of the artist. It's a gift. > Why should people attempt to begrudge others the opportunity > to listen/see that idea? How mean and egotistical is that? > Applying marketplace ideologies to art is a mistake in my > opinion. > Everything should NOT have a price. It's an age old > Socialist/individualist, Left wing/right wing, > European/American dualogue. > Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that > commercialism doesn't have it's place but music and > money mix like oil and water. > > peace > > g > > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:04:32 -0400 > > From: Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Samples and looping > > > > I figured someone would address Louigi's remarks a > little more strongly, > > so I though I'd make an attempt. > > > > I'm really glad to see Milo's post because it > is a well reasoned > > rebuttal to some serious flaws I see in the position > Louigi takes. I am > > disturbed that there are people that truly feel that > they are entitled > > to use someone else's art for commercial gain > without compensating it's > > author. It is IMO a colossal rationalization for > theft of intellectual > > property. > > > > I had never seen the tenets of this view laid out > before - that art is > > information, and that because society benefits even > from art that > > 'builds on' the work of others, it should not > be subject to the most > > basic rules of commerce. > > > > The digital age has made the theft of intellectual > property ridiculously > > easy. Behemoths like Microsoft, Sony, et al and the > government that > > support their business models are desperately trying > to shore up their > > leaking revenue streams. But I'm not sure > I've ever heard anyone > > suggest that an author is not somehow entitled to > control the sale of > > works they produce, or more specifically, to give away > their work while > > reserving certain rights. > > > > Many musicians have recognized that the traditional > music business model > > doesn't work for them. So they're > experimenting with making downloadable > > versions of their music available for free. This > might even mean that > > the work is free for use by others in their own > commercial ventures. > > But I'm not sure that I've ever seen someone > suggest that the author > > shouldn't be able to give away their work with > certain restrictions on > > its use - restrictions that may be clearly stated and > acknowledged when > > the consumer downloads it, in an easily implemented > Creative Commons > > license. > > > > Anyway, perhaps it just reflects a cultural shift away > from the view I > > grew up with: that art and music have integral value; > that they're > > important somehow. I think artists are the eyes and > even the conscience > > of a society, and have the same right to restrict the > use of their > > art/work as any entrepreneur. They just may not be > able to enforce > > those rights in a society that condones theft and > exploitation. > > > > Dan Ash > > White Plains, NY > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: Samples and looping > > > From: > > > Milo > > > Date: > > > Thu, 3 Sep 2009 03:06:37 +0300 > > > > > > To: > > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > On 9/2/09, Louigi Verona > wrote: > > > > > >> > This sounds reasonable, but in real life > turns out to be a disaster. > > >> > > > > > > This is just your point of view, your experience, > your expectations. > > > Not reality. > > > > > > Thousands of art workers around the world > disagree with you. If you > > > think they will just sit back and wait until > every internet company > > > has a few more million dollars in their accounts, > you are mistaken. > > > People have given their lifes for the right to > work, people have > > > fought for the right to have a future, long > before the internet. > > > > > > Do you want to hear about real disasters? Check > out how many people > > > lost their jobs in the last five years because of > piracy. Those are > > > real people, not forum avatars. They have real > families. Real dreams. > > > Yes, that is the truth: people lose their job > when a studio has to > > > close down, when a band can't afford to tour > anymore, when a record > > > label can't even pay the rent. > > > > > > 99% of the music industry is hard working people, > small studios, indie > > > bands, small labels. Those are who are taking > 100% of the risk, 100% > > > of the damage. Not the superstars. > > > > > > > > >> > In > > >> > order to control what everybody does > with your music, you would require > > >> > draconian measures and you will have to > literally spy on every person in the > > >> > world in order to actually see it > through. > > >> > > > > > > You don't understand how the law works, no > one is spying on anyone. If > > > you use a sample from a movie and you release the > album without a > > > license, the director is not going to spy on you. > He has better things > > > to do, like make original films, for example. But > you are liable for > > > damages from the first day of release. Do you > want to risk a lawsuit > > > that will force you to pay money for all the > years that the album was > > > available? Do you want to spend the rest of your > life waiting for a > > > publisher somewhere to notice your music playing > on the radio? Do you > > > want to risk your unlicensed material being > tracked from the automatic > > > log systems of the royalties societies? > > > > > > > > >> > Also, what if 10000 people use > > >> > it? > > >> > > > > > > If 10,000 use a sample without a license, then > 10,000 lawyers are > > > going to make some extra money sooner or later. > It is not about if you > > > are going to get caught, it is about when you are > going to get caught. > > > > > > > > >> >Is it necessary to receive so much money > for one piece of music? > > >> > > > > > > How can you possibly know how much money an > artist has invested in his > > > profession? > > > > > > > > >> > Clearly, this business model is flawed > and seems reasonable only at the > > >> > first glance. > > >> > > > > > > The only business model that is flawed is the > model of stealing the > > > indie artists to build internet corporations. > > > > > > > > >> > But > > >> > who said that making good music should > result in gaining money? > > >> > > > > > > Good music is used by many industries and > companies to make money. Why > > > shouldn't the artist earn a fair share? > > > > > > I have never heard a music supervisor/director > say "hey, have you > > > heard any bad music lately? I have to find some > really awful tracks > > > for a new documentary". > > > > > > > > >> > People do > > >> > lots of good things and do not gain > money. > > >> > > > > > > Do they do those good things for 8 hours every > day, 360 days a year? > > > > > > > > >> > In fact, people who do gain money > > >> > in many cases fail to deliver an > inspired piece of music. > > >> > > > > > > Most artists who make a living from their art are > delivering inspired > > > pieces of music, otherwise they would not make > money at all. > > > > > > Your assumption presents the music listeners as > stupid consumers, as a > > > whole, worldwide. > > > > > > > > >> > A person can decide for himself when it > concerns only him. The question of > > >> > information control, however, concerns > the whole society and in fact it > > >> > would influence the society more than > the artist, since society would have > > >> > to abide by the license and the artist > would only wait for the bonuses. > > >> > By trying to control the flow of > information, one unwillingly would control > > >> > much more than that - personal freedom. > That's the nature of information. So > > >> > licenses are a matter of freedom - > everybody's freedom. > > >> > > > >> > This is my view on the subject. > > >> > > > >> > Louigi. > > >> > > > > > > Music is an art, it is not information. The only > information related > > > to music that exists is album notes, press > releases, bios and > > > interviews. All this information is free for the > public and no one is > > > interested in controlling its flow. > > > > > > Calling music as information is the favorite game > of the various > > > internet companies. Of course they want to > present music as > > > information, how else are they going to sell > bigger hard drives, > > > easily exploited social networks and traffic > statistics to their > > > customers? > > > > > > > Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy > steps. Find > out how. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 18:21:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7A23BE8C; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.no; s=s1024; t=1252088459; bh=tvc9PqiukIxbaeETvOC5XCRUk7BNSHIb09sQna4PCxo=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2pYN/9y9q8IHNwiEdg/cxTQW1zvHs1efXWa8zmpIUe0BkdgGF5ubs0ryYnX9PYhJgEstlOak/VmtS5BCuoEs81qG7G7wDCE8PgsWJZXNj5zafMQpkXH6Hp7iNcN7iW8Mo1iI/U7AIzVYH06sH1ET7W8ftk64dBsaX/gH7s24Z3w= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=K3i3fyUDokRO8pLun093wsg29Gffd5rdhg0jq+SdbOIPP7932oe9IkDZRtHyVxcgzgnaAJCCV7BQmuRMK1iY7BHOatHSXZEPPJ3D3ac3bCpYjOeE+WZEIyUFc1ZqQqSP8b/6LLlwsYNCar5m7a69OlJu8XK6aordZ8HfP7qlrgc=; Message-ID: <69113.27425.qm@web23806.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: G6HxfLYVM1nDieFkxF1LQ50riuKcCV6RQ0kZyieKrNHkDQwmwOmjoKMRZZEeHbdy6.AFzhFvU5uq_xFzij5XsrSpJlZRjwF_E0jSjxQEWTm_n6v1QA8fTKHIfdgQmjD3H7BNanBQCrYe6vCOW.EHhdYIyy_3OLbfYCSOzuVnsoAZB1zPRfhYcXrlD5sc.STX0rxsJ5CMFgujeEn1lhzvRp8Vtimna5jLAvIy9kKioSHYKpTBf.V8klD.OoMj5rPvd.L1hT1aw2VXgqhJd5FNKUewncotPvi5FA7vsWFchubxR0bE8vJwNgS2_ZUHnIlyzVTLKA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:20:59 +0000 (GMT) From: rune fagereng Subject: Arild Andersen - Oslo Jazz festival (looping) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, Svein Olav Blindheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-676529595-1252088459=:27425" Resent-Message-ID: <_JwyeB.A.siF.MqVoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-676529595-1252088459=:27425 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ! Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (looping) http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300 Best regards Rune Fagereng =0A=0A=0A _________________________________________________________=0A= Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og=0Anotisblokk. = http://no.mail.yahoo.com --0-676529595-1252088459=:27425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    --0-676529595-1252088459=:27425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 19:04:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD7F3BE6F; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YKLCdZebUY9d0w+336kyknOPPexPEDcU3zCLP5WtnGU=; b=Zx+DxbnH5o+cXYq+ofeARxfQp7sN3esXG4udrtI0NY9NGPTTF17xeDEYF0VD7tYJxE qOVtKXJ9oZ8QWaqIwQ76BeIktgtVj9SDoBLm9RONhq8mmWImU6LKOswKEAwnBhco4/Fa kEhfkZsJIHoBVbTwKz649Jx+OGcnpxMQgJWoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lVTG7m8aHPw/m9J4a50wtdug+fc4479kdqFwYOsJ+Mnw8iQpTZir0syl4ra9DvNvKL 4lvEIKAjXbm3Ca3JrFGFgrbLTdS+dm/+fhFMamgUhFGJegtveKxGcRN0986FKPcMIm8j S4rEMd2xUI3uP6ciokbOvfcAXnxaUfK4QjJCo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20aeede50909040023k9737c76ia15ce46a28a9233e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A9FE910.9090809@Verizon.net> <20aeede50909031248j3b4cdca4i3977924dd42692ef@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909031315q6f790bafi997871b5ed336f0e@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50909032327h916370ake8fd21b157590c0b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30909040017l550f4388r2495d63d63928696@mail.gmail.com> <20aeede50909040023k9737c76ia15ce46a28a9233e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:04:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3fa302e30909041204v34e3b46el54e184027ca9e1e8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Samples and looping From: Miko Biffle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Louigi Verona wro= te: >> "So, my main concern is that the artist should decide just how their mat= erial is to be used commercially." > Well, so I see. But how can one control it in a world of today without dr= aconian measures? With the power of Internet such control is simply impossi= ble without creating absurd laws that would bound how people use their comp= uters. Actually, this is what the current copyright law is trying to do. So= while theoretically it is fine, but how can that be done? Louigi. I'm not sure that just because it's *easier* to steal-sample-plagarize, that should be the reason to discontinue copyright practices. Maybe the "power" of the internet is a bit dangerous to personal privacy and civil liberties? I LOVE the internet, but the complications of hacking, identity theft, downloading, etc. are REAL issues that require REAL SOLUTIONS=97not just passively lying down and allowing marauders to pillage. I'm not sure how rampant downloading (for commercial purposes) can be controlled, but the practice of "clearing" samples with the author is the current status-quo. Enforcement? I'd say that will be handled by the parties involved and proceed as defined by current copyright law and each parties ability to finance the proceedings. All this is about $$$. It's wishful thinking to believe that we can simply dismantle protections under the law and "natural" law will somehow kindly manage everything. Another thought comes to mind. If all this so-called artistic "talent" still requires other's good work to be realized, is it really "talent"? In the writing business they call those people editors, and they do not magically become "authors". A good editor is invaluable to the process, but the author is still credited, gets their share, etc. The details of how each person in the process gets paid is a legal decision and professionals typically sign contracts regarding such. Sometimes the details are burdensome to the point of spoiling the process (they have for me!) But I'm not about to deny others' their due when they successfully negotiate the terrain required to actually earn a decent living. --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 20:00:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8146F3BE80; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252094400; bh=bgMvpVyC73cX/A4p60xR6UDdto93eW8Q1yQ2mkjQvzE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=id9Pfxq/CY/ntlmuq8Kx/77Hjzi0UzVw16cgaqvDWIgxLfBBnXdpV5Ou4RK3qS2uvOoPDY2epT7Z/7YYdLUoOXxaKL7H3ZM1d/6Q/No8Yy5Snq8aY8aai0GPnzxcmOYQkGZ0Wojv20Bz9AJCRpRrmpe7b8Dvz9gfJRgIciDugFg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=HvgtzJ9ZJ++uw+nUt5FyNcfm6T9BrvzDcPvmId3DMFztvboNQj7bhchTwi9Ka+s5hnGFsS8E+Z2sdN2fzOi4GHgTlajsTz55Wp3FZkNuw7/gq9NNYyGdv2KyaoGCw5Rk2YG/l4jEly6THjjSe9ajJnLVTJVOEBytmyfLcLQehyI=; Message-ID: <666349.77237.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qc5IUu8VM1ntv3U1gVnCf6L8lReeryU5yd0SjgpzReOGNreYht2SQDD0iHziJEghEyx_flKJXUloBlmABWpfoYHM1B8NPd4FjuRH6i3hdLpUivkJLA00oZeeU_3.rvONhEtweZZuj4ABfSopxXxZvrcsiMb6aNGccU5eT0pggQYmy44PSE4QS5sQ4uLX3BVXqJp8RVHjGtBNRzzP6_II2GKnR0Fpl4z60Lu7gSzpIWK9Wo0fA65hlNk73IYemPBhDtD1KExXyBZkqD2La4..W0XggXsFodAUza3AbTHDjM5FRLNdPAbfTo9uFuohTVx2UxcPkQ7B4aL1051lFP0ADHg_oXI8SlPnacSM71M- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: out of tune loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-505141731-1252094400=:77237" Resent-Message-ID: <9v_7VD.A.0PE.CHXoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-505141731-1252094400=:77237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii funny little moment this am before work: i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it, strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was playing something, just sparse single string things and sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars, and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!). when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it doesn't sound that much different when i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or something.... it was sort of a weird realization this am... had to share... happy looping. s---- --0-505141731-1252094400=:77237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    funny little moment this am before work:

    i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it, strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was playing something, just sparse single string things and sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars, and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!).
    when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it doesn't sound that much different when i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or something....
    it was sort of a weird realization this am...
    had to share...
    happy looping.
    s----

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Yours in service, Palmer John Barrister Tel: +4470359 76601 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 4 23:47:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76AEA3BE87; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 403 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:47:50 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252107667; bh=ey5O+o/OjER1eDlx8Fj010gL2XFjerF2Af8a0bS6f9M=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tvRNfU8zdqhbKe6MbfahIozBBZUuB6ojtVMhIzNGs//Pnvd6RcDriQVAdyx9pw8ZsVUYtHxGRnenBLOpc3nT+4rMqtxM5EyxD+lCjrEoJLbWcabEQDCrj0fLZcLsY1wJ+S6KGW0IlLQcQ6jioz5gMhAcDAObOVT83pOyBld10GE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lxwUwK+wV0s904AHoxl+lRKjPxsvAmQvMWv7/92Di5jI216rjruAa/tt+TwY/iYO+LbTLvCYsL4KJQBSMGKRsAN/h96lt2Lf6O3bGP2svFahlPq9Knsf2rjBI9NRWGTp2AvadMbTPKWxmvTP3xBAeZEJymuFN5fBi/j42OdBv3s=; Message-ID: <410729.96603.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8wr1Oh8VM1ldZgoJA0Crf_r3m7t3nHR8tDCRm7cVVpSjcpPG8oboZmQ70K.6Lm4QLbncSH1DuMbni0XeyyNcWfcot3NH5iSUCzf622xhguTPmZTdIi2a8T.dZTzm6xyd7SJ2XEQLHXWLl9a2uQ2uqgHPdV15q0u8bNGJ87NFYAhqOFIxVbOTuWgLKiluE_NdruwDVxjCOHgosKBO365Rf3mH3aWNEElaeoqRvIEJx2.YB.yU.N4MSjfiIFvlJAXZScjMO0pqYTq12kqqnXA6WkRNpooiLl0VVXJ8p5_GfHyA1tGnWtV1G2sl4IP0MR7MiiXfUnzEcnhK0N6qtscHmsPs3eUPSoxvJQfFoyq_Pb6J299MNCPsx4hPSfwF_Y8zzyu3 X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: out of tune loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <666349.77237.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I do believe that Tommy Iomi of Black Sabbath used that tuning(down to D) to achieve his signature sound. Rig --- On Fri, 9/4/09, scott hansen wrote: > From: scott hansen > Subject: out of tune loops > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 1:00 PM > funny > little moment this am before work: > > i finished my newest guitar 2 days ago, and i still > haven't gotten around to setting the intonation on it, > strings are floppy, tuned a whole step low (to D), i was > playing something, just sparse single string things and > sliding into them, and for some reason it reminded me of the > low-fi sort of garage rock things played w/ cheapo guitars, > and i loop about 3 passages of the little riff, and then > started playing over it, then i reverse it, and i do this > for probably about 5 min. it sounded cool, but i didn't > record it (i need to set up some mics in my studio!). > when i finished i realized that i couldn't play any > chords, b/c they would sound out of tune, but then i > realized that i've been playing like this for 2 days > now...and the sad thing is it still sounds like me, and it > doesn't sound that much different when > i think i'm in tune....so maybe i'm regressing or > something.... > it was sort of a weird realization this am... > had to share... > happy looping. > s---- > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 04:00:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6CEA3BE89; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uJ2KKL0pmvgs/MAb15BMBEv8hcYqqWaC25eD4VqtSb4=; b=X1IxY7qW+VwDS3xjiy1AIL3OWQWqKuJh0XUDkE2SL5M/0dJl2aC6VZ9/70v58k18hM UuMkF0fayb12Mw7a2+FEPkHEvpv82F18xbks3S77SmY04tbEVgGhhchvZKTmRvyNIl4C bXGoqMCdJ2IzL1rHC1gcOxfsL6+WJM3xeoM9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=M5+KewkXllHuQ7DVCn6xJeXNyeawsw9btlt37gIMHTWRc/ye5JN2nXMXKLdDqBK1Sx X5QDzApvWiMp9IHwRFYNHAYFWUgX1CDyO60ZgKQf2guqcBCvpVXuLHa2cEqnteAlcSlh Sxf7BQ6rIqCyrCrXzXM0GGa8vYxKa1Fz/D2LM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <666349.77237.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <666349.77237.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 00:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60909042100j50bed949h95f73bcc363593bd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: out of tune loops From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517478cce9f6da90472cca920 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:00:52 +0000 (UTC) --001517478cce9f6da90472cca920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 wow a builder among us, what's it look like Scott? did you keep the recording? sounds interesting... --001517478cce9f6da90472cca920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow a builder among us, what's it look like Scott? =A0did you keep the = recording? =A0sounds interesting...


    <= /div> --001517478cce9f6da90472cca920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 05:40:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07513BE89; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 05:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1036 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:40:23 UTC Message-Id: From: Andrew McNaughton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: FS Electrix Repeater Australia Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:22:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Received-SPF: none Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 05:40:23 +0000 (UTC) I have 2 which is why I am selling 1. This one has the latest software (version2) and has the noise reduction modification done. Complete with original power supply digitech footswitch FS300 original box software on disk original manual $1000 (AUD) Mebourne, Australia From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 07:19:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D46E3BE8B; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252135197; bh=rgqFCLtHgk4skjpmIqK1GQiwE4ZgWYfQGavP3LbPctU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UkxhgKFc+PSh8uQd2PsMYo1ZdSjLNvyk5W4gGKxveEDRiKmMNv8qIBVna4tXdsNi1aGHrReVXyknphhWBS5HHJC5jIFop8wBEx5y2n8uA9NDm1fQw7oTXKZwrU0G98/ppxoMrnl1Y65NztQyG6EPfcvZHXllIkjk42WovDSiKHo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BCD4FDLAD8c0Hf8rOQ/EAywGZU4jE8VtOKS4EnHGM7H7k3QElZixAau1L4/uGN2wstuEI+FvJenryesNgshU5mgsw7FlLkSprO+pti+3tghLzpogsgSFJ9YhyVN3u9NG1PwD3KnOVDIncwjF6bxr0L+3aevHgzpbyrNGRkA3avk=; Message-ID: <487349.4779.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:19:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: Samples and looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20aeede50909021328u5f7431fdgf61fa4ca7c67ca8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:19:59 +0000 (UTC) =0A> But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say=0A> "In a= lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and=0A> didn't gain any money= at all". But who said that=0A> making good music should result in gaining = money? People do=0A> lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, pe= ople=0A> who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired=0A> pi= ece of music.=0A> =0A=0Aid say people who do good things musically is preci= sely because of HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not = know how to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how= to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering inspire= d good music!=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 07:32:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FFD3BE8A; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20090905073159987.F12601C00083@mwinf2728.orange.fr Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <487349.4779.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: Samples and looping Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:31:45 +0200 References: <487349.4779.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:32:02 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:19 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > >> But I think that the deeper argument would be this. You say >> "In a lot of cases I made music with a lot of work and >> didn't gain any money at all". But who said that >> making good music should result in gaining money? People do >> lots of good things and do not gain money. In fact, people >> who do gain money in many cases fail to deliver an inspired >> piece of music. >> > > id say people who do good things musically is precisely because of > HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not know how > to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how > to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering > inspired good music! isn't there a way to do both? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 08:20:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C603BE8A; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5IfSuHxm4xSPY7ScS/eWRZmWnGDPQnBWf04xc3egJuQ=; b=sAuwgZMWjxDVitnifKTIiaSvotJs5tZjDz31Y+9weaXK/SKZbPAgfUIu393RZOP03O Na7IkKmMOJ55HAjGP27/sKVVwpMpobq8PZ2SM/1/DnVnw/WUM3uTEXMPhDpfXLD9rurB Rm/vh7rzp8E/5mhLkzmiR0cK6mUE8+EZFi0gw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=ieo0FBTrEyudK00lRf9tUkN3tRqJETzfViTfyO9tCg1qigsapc/bXt/kDyN0Zrb77g ch1qHVJfjrYDHQF/DCEwr8mxVaQCzD72IlRcDN95hZWEPsoWxWvhvPHSg60gOaLdg6QR Ddt402igoJmLn4o5qlP0bd38tBocdA+6hWNJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <69113.27425.qm@web23806.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <69113.27425.qm@web23806.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:20:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Arild Andersen - Oslo Jazz festival (looping) From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6da16bfa1d00472d048c0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:20:07 +0000 (UTC) --001485f6da16bfa1d00472d048c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that link crashed my browser, btw 2009/9/4 rune fagereng > Hi ! > > Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (looping) > > http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300 > Best regards Rune Fagereng > > > > ------------------------------ > > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartote= k, > kalender og notisblokk. > --001485f6da16bfa1d00472d048c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that link crashed my browser, btw

    2009/9/= 4 rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>
    Hi !

    Link; Arild Andersen Oslo Jazzfestival (= looping)

    http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/indeks/180300
    <= br>
    Best regards Rune Fagereng

    <= div>


    Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekarto= tek, kalender og notisblokk.

    --001485f6da16bfa1d00472d048c0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 10:05:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5206F3BE8A; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: anybody out there in NH? Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:04:58 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.183.234.70 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CBFC2775FAAECC-10AC-A9EF@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:05:16 +0000 (UTC) I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops. =-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: radio radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am Subject: anybody out there in NH? I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I move there in a couple of days. -Eben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 10:05:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA77A3BE91; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: anybody out there in NH? Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 06:05:05 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.183.234.70 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CBFC2779C5DFCC-10AC-A9F1@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: PJBMHB@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:05:20 +0000 (UTC) I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops. =-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: radio radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am Subject: anybody out there in NH? I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I move there in a couple of days. -Eben From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 12:09:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12F83BE8B; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 76222 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:09:31 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iBZHlQtK8XVKpWinb/52J7aLtgNYeyW1nb67m7weHDg=; b=al7GidS7FXq/qjMMpdOxx00zDe4RDAU2d78Lsn8aHCEl3hXHJw8QdUAeFBZSmk9KGn dpGLOZfRvN9E/PkYwDRZv/VV8b+f5v8VvQAijOFhd03QTeIpFbnkaxNS/6ELyVZ0B0Ja fLK2xGxpI/pfYd4/LaACLNkNhynS7EhdQYUeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xjHqJ9AXKGR6gYwICefRwfzE7RHQ6U6z1Jzanppj50IeuGwSSr+wGesnktSxGx0dBI 8T/lpJFgd0TWsscJBxC9x+FUJOw01xqHdwpS4oJ6PlXiie1JKSgYqnXu/AyZVTGakHHl keQNvRzRyk+iooRBgwgWB0nBZZhBBp/yojgHM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8CBFC2779C5DFCC-10AC-A9F1@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CBFC2779C5DFCC-10AC-A9F1@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: anybody out there in NH? From: radio radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd328742ddb3c0472d37d44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd328742ddb3c0472d37d44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah well... On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:05 AM, wrote: > I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops. > > =-) PJ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: radio radio > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am > Subject: anybody out there in NH? > > > I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire > and wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I > move there in a couple of days. > -Eben > > > > --000e0cd328742ddb3c0472d37d44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah well...

    On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:05 AM= , <pjbmhb@aol.com> wrote:
    I see NH and I think New Haven. Whhooops.

    =3D-) PJ


    -----Original Message-----
    From: radio radio <    radiotelevision@gmail.com>
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52 am
    Subject: anybody out there in NH?


    I try this every time I move. If anyone lives near Lebanon New Hampshire an= d wants to get together for an informal looping session, let me know. I mov= e there in a couple of days.
    -Eben




    --000e0cd328742ddb3c0472d37d44-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 12:54:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709CC3BE87; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4AA10DE4.9000008@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:53:56 -0700 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Who was that looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6-hdw.A.V3H.p9loKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:54:01 +0000 (UTC) There was a thread about a week ago about a very talented young British singer/songwriter looper who just had his shit DOWN!!!!!!! I'm going nuts, I can't find it in the archives and I can't remember his name. He had a couple of videos on youtube.com and I really liked what he was doing and wanted to send it out to a couple of friends. He even wrote to me and I can't figure out where I put the email. DOH!!!!!!!!! Can anyone jog my failing memory? thanks, rick "You wanna know the good part about losing your memory as you grow older?.....................FAGET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 16:37:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB473BE89; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=b4kkz+zFR2xufY1byk/zBSfprOpJy/veGDaInCzt8C0=; b=SQSZbwqfzq5OY/O+KoHC2VyTw/YCxVZ0xdC7jv2++1Ves3QwZkeu7Ti/Dj1O7S+Gbz 5jjy0znm/02diat8OVpGaFK18TxdnzwMwG9awWWhnty2/AjefFeIixSOHTA/OjZbXG8U ubYjDeBtRx5NG9kqc/QWKNc9wPcVvcrN5iszQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=YWF75EChOlbVefuPtmxFuUwitpW48QovrX0mjEUKWIGsPz1YO/uNIEbX6EY2nRaX74 L0rVfqc1j92lSmr3ccIz1brkVXwwYrHNq5eALjFb0BBou5p0lMJ7LdDH+gILMJov8J9i +FQPNThnVX9OI628rMZvi04cf/+Q3D6EX9cW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0909031351p5f704236sab855802cd11149b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0909031351p5f704236sab855802cd11149b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60909050937r54bbb6eeuef97e220d8fb37c1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fwd=3A_=5BVirtual_Gig_Sp=E4m=5D=3A_The_MoinSound_Studio_Sessi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ons_=2D_Anniversary_Broadcast=2C_Saturday_Sept=2E_5th_1600_UTC?= From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022158df8f7d742dd0472d73b41 Resent-Message-ID: <8hji9C.A.LQH.PPpoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:37:35 +0000 (UTC) --0022158df8f7d742dd0472d73b41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer is live on ustream now for about another 20 min, there was a mixup and some went to Justin the old link he's at URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rainer Straschill Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM Subject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The MoinSound Studio Sessions - Anniversary Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via video streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary: This Saturday, September 5th, will see the 10th session in this series, which has in the past contained bedroom guitar playing, leather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimalist electronic bleeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video processing. Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local time conversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd) URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions This session will feature an undisclosed guest appearance on odd electronic noise (featuring various delays, sampler and effects) and video processing. Looking forward to see you there! Rainer --- http://moinlabs.de http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs http://www.twitter.com/moinlabs http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions http://vimeo.com/moinlabs http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/ --=20 ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --0022158df8f7d742dd0472d73b41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rainer is live on ustream now for about another 20 min, there was a mixup a= nd some went to Justin the old link he's at

    URL:=A0<= a href=3D"http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions" targ= et=3D"_blank">http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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    Date: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:51 PM
    Subject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The Moi= nSound Studio Sessions - Anniversary Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC=
    To:     loopers-deli= ght@loopers-delight.com


    The MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions = via
    video streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary:

    This Saturday, September 5th, will see the 10th session in this
    series, which has in the past contained bedroom guitar playing,
    leather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimalist electronic
    bleeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video processing.

    Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local time
    conversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd)
    URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sess= ions

    This session will feature an undisclosed guest appearance on odd
    electronic noise (featuring various delays, sampler and effects) and
    video processing.

    Looking forward to see you there!

    =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer

    ---
    http://moinlabs.de
    http://www.my= space.com/moinlabs
    http://www.tw= itter.com/moinlabs
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions<= /a>
    http://vimeo.com/mo= inlabs
    = http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/




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    www.myspace.com/CtReUse

    music links...
    www.ji= mgoodinmusic.com
    www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    www.myspace.com/jimg= oodinmusic
    www= .myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
    www.myspace.com/j= imgoodinviolinelectro
    ww= w.myspace.com/jindream
    www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

    video work/editing...
    www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital

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    --0022158df8f7d742dd0472d73b41-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 16:43:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 525163BE8C; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:43:51 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252168630; bh=7TbkY+lSTN0kwAuY06ZNfBFoJHgzcxvoT94B5DHY1Bg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OpYdelMxPuFmmbIHjl/0nuMExyQVCWGlRjC1sTbMnxDiyJ2g6bA3AlFLCQKYvrlrzcgPKfE4MKkAMYKeF3BU4MgxuPjD+xoCctd1Gm2F5hM5KHDUSGfIGoYaxdggSENs2r9iDLCsHN83ItbNxL3C2+ncsupMIJle2YbO4hMarJ8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4m59D/WuxJZEo8T37+f2ygsyOac89ymbLJhO1S0WGqm6yX2GYuJFLFGuXAIdcCveMHNKcPfplQhM6lEc1hW2s0gyXesHIGMofDD1E3aaLntDxKD32w5X2jibffRgq1VBWDEsbSOb5Y2ihonqH8cVG/uNHfAF1IS2pNCvpctBQn4=; Message-ID: <450871.47547.qm@web45908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QtF1WiEVM1mdITViK6hOHm1_Ck27U6ibcV0AjKQJcV60HanmR5EJD44N4xnCfRby_n0ZoVwvuRJfwe6IQPHlb5BaDf1IPUnW7bWPM4y2b9xHLyCwjXVdPJVpiYWvtR245yeRR.Juw4gNCu6oHkjtQmVMpoS190HRDFI85Rcgl2pvPK8AeDamUno5vgQzGsn1Dg.RESOp.XFMVDHLwbnm.OUWDk2dPaXI_Oav_FyWLeHtagjnSU0xQA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <7334ca1b0909031351p5f704236sab855802cd11149b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: E Gross Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5BVirtual_Gig_Sp=E4m=5D=3A_The_MoinSound_Studio_Ses?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?sions_-_Anniversary_Broadcast=2C_Saturday_Sept=2E_5th_1600?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_UTC?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0909031351p5f704236sab855802cd11149b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1587152965-1252168630=:47547" Resent-Message-ID: <2IHKCD.A.czH.IVpoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:43:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1587152965-1252168630=:47547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rainer,=0A=0AI am listening, sounds good and cool special effects! Can't= get into the chat room though....=0A=0AEric=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Rainer Straschill =0ATo:= loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 4:= 51:20 PM=0ASubject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The MoinSound Studio Sessions - A= nniversary Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC=0A=0AThe MoinSound Studio= Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via=0Avideo streams in these= days, celebrates an anniversary:=0A=0AThis Saturday, September 5th, will s= ee the 10th session in this=0Aseries, which has in the past contained bedro= om guitar playing,=0Aleather-clad trombone-meets-melodica attacks, minimali= st electronic=0Ableeps, improvised double trio sessions and heavy video pro= cessing.=0A=0ADate/Time: Saturday September 5th, 1600 UTC (for your local t= ime=0Aconversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd)=0AURL: http://www.u= stream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions=0A=0AThis session will feat= ure an undisclosed guest appearance on odd=0Aelectronic noise (featuring va= rious delays, sampler and effects) and=0Avideo processing.=0A=0ALooking for= ward to see you there!=0A=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer=0A=0A---=0Ahttp://mo= inlabs.de=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/moinlabs=0Ahttp://www.twitter.com/moinla= bs=0Ahttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-MoinSound-Studio-Sessions=0Ahttp://v= imeo.com/moinlabs=0Ahttp://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/=0A=0A=0A = --0-1587152965-1252168630=:47547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Subject: [Virtual Gig Sp=E4m]: The MoinSound Studio Sessi= ons - Anniversary Broadcast, Saturday Sept. 5th 1600 UTC

    The = MoinSound Studio Sessions, one of many bi-weekly transmissions via
    video= streams in these days, celebrates an anniversary:

    This Saturday, Se= ptember 5th, will see the 10th session in this
    series, which has in the = past contained bedroom guitar playing,
    leather-clad trombone-meets-melod= ica attacks, minimalist electronic
    bleeps, improvised double trio sessio= ns and heavy video processing.

    Date/Time: Saturday September 5th, 16= 00 UTC (for your local time
    conversion, please use http://tinyurl.com/njdtqd)
    URL: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/The-M= oinSound-Studio-Sessions

    This session will feature an undisclosed gu= est appearance on odd
    electronic noise (featuring various delays, sample= r and effects) and
    video processing.

    Looking forward to see you t= here!

              Rainer

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Miss Nacolline Marina & Tony Tureh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 18:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F0D3BE8C; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4AA2B4BA.8040701@biink.com> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:58:02 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: david toop article - nytimes - today References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3fRwb.A.XxE.CTroKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/10/arts/l-improvisation-against-improvisation-688630.html So is she responding to an article by David Toop or an article about John Cage? -- * David Beardsley * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 19:27:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050913BE8A; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 7965 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:27:32 UTC Message-Id: <3D8EA4EF-81EB-4912-9D0A-D2643A046A97@glasswing.com> From: richard sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1014221799 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: Samples and looping Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:14:45 -0700 References: <487349.4779.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 19:27:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--1014221799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sep 5, 2009, at 12:31 AM, doc rossi wrote: >> >> id say people who do good things musically is precisely because of >> HARDWORK but do not make money perhaps because they do not know how >> to,the people who do gain money as you say are people who know how >> to make profit out of them and are less concerned about delivering >> inspired good music! > > isn't there a way to do both? 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    = --Apple-Mail-2--1014221799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 20:25:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C1AB3BE82; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:25:48 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:18:19 -0400 To: AE-List@media-motion.tv, IMUG-List@media-motion.tv, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, ambient@hyperreal.org From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Best compressor settings for streaming video Cc: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I haven't tried to compress for streaming video before, and I am preparing a piece for The Virtual Sound Festival (http://www.myspace.com/vsvfestival ) which will consist of musical and mixed media performances over the internet. My contribution will be pre-made video. The instructions I have for compressing are a bit sketchy, and if someone can suggest compressor settings that will best give Rainer what he is asking for, that would be most helpful. Thanks. At 10:37 PM +0200 8/17/09, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >For Codec: more or less any of your choice. For the live streams, I've been >using 400kbps bitrate (for video alone) at 480x360, but I may be using a >higher bandwidth upstream for the festival, so it might make sense to go for >something of higher quality. -- Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer and Digital Photographer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld "Don't make book, if you cannot cover bets." -- Tom Lehrer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 21:05:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB263BE87; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:05:33 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:49:21 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance 09.11 Lowell MA, and AWESOME installation. Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations at 119 Gallery in Lowell as part of the series of events described below. I visited the space on Monday, and am completely blown away by the environment that Claire (working with plants) and Patrick (working with industrial artifacts) have created. I'm looking forward to performing in the space and am planning a slowly moving two projector setup, unlike the rapid cutting one projector setup I usually use in performance. Whether or not you attend a performance, you owe it to yourself to at least visit the installation during gallery hours. On a scale from 1 to 10, this show rates at least a 12! Claire Elizabeth Barratt - Video, sound - plus dance/movement, music & spoken word in performance Patrick Pierce - Sculpture pieces, poetry - plus movement, music & spoken word in performance Life is Art is Life is... September 1- 27, 2009, Lowell, MA- This September Patrick Pierce and Claire Elizabeth Barratt have turned 119 Gallery into a fertile garden filled with sculpture, video, sound and poetry, organic and inorganic matter. Introduced in 2008 by the gallery, Claire, a British movement artist and Patrick, a Lowell sculptor, immediately sensed their connection and began exploring ideas to combine their talents. Their two week residency this August culminates in this immersive multi-part, multi-media installation and performance series with wooden and metal sculptures, video projections, poetry, sound and music. Life is Art is Life... is a continuously unfolding installation and play of interactions that marries nature and industry, the organic and the fabricated, the muse and the workshop. A truly equal collaboration between the two artists, Claire says, "The creation of the installation itself is a combined effort. We both play quite different roles in the elements we bring to the work." = We each trust the others artistic integrity and understand our role as 'conduits' through which the work unfolds.--Claire Elizabeth Barratt What we did not know we knew is what is revealed.--Patrick Pierce The installation is free and open Tue - Sat 12noon - 5pm. Performances are scheduled by the artists and with guest musicians and collaborators throughout the month and during Lowell Open Studios. See below and check our website at www.119gallery.org and www.cillavee.com. Opening Performance Sept 4 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt & Patrick Pierce Sept 5 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement; Lou Cohen, laptop; John Voigt, bass, Patrick Pierce Sept 11 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement; Jon Glancy, percussion; Emile Tobenfeld , video mix Sept 12 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt, movement, Andy Fordyce, percussion; Chris Gilmore, laptop & electronics Sept 18 - TBA Closing Performance Sept 25 - Claire Elizabeth Barratt & Patrick Pierce Lowell Open Studios Sept 26 and Sept 27 - Apocalypso Trio: Joe Burgio, movement; Shayna Dulberger, double bass; Walter Wright, analog synths & video + Katt Hernandez, violin Claire Elizabeth Barratt a.k.a. Cilla Vee, has a dance and musical theater background with the (British) Royal Academy of Dance, Associated Board of Music, The Laban Centre for Movement and Dance and The London Studio Centre. She has presented work in The New York Botanical Gardens, PS122, Art Basel - Miami and the Black Mountain College Museum + Art Center, NC. She specializes in performance, video and installation. She is director of Cilla Vee Life Arts, an inter-disciplinary arts organization. Patrick Pierce is a sculptor and poet of life-long practice who moved his studio to Lowell, MA in 2001. He has had multiple one-man and group shows in New York including the Denise Bibro Fine Art, with L'Attitude Gallery and Larry Powers, and with the Turtle Gallery on Deer Isle, Maine. His work is included in collections across the country and has been reviewed in The Atlantic Monthly, The Boston Globe, and other publications. 119 Chelmsford Street Lowell, MA 01851 978.452.8138 http://www.119gallery.org -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 21:45:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734573BE82; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:45:45 UTC MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:26:30 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Twin Towers Once Stood at SB D Gallery New York City Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <80-X3C.A.UbE.JwtoKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, A number of my world trade center photographs will be on digital display as part of "Twin Towers Once Stood", a group show that will be at SB D Gallery 125 East 4th Street New York, NY 10003 http://www.sbdigitalgallery.com/ tel.212-979-7239 from Sept. 11 through October 15. The opening reception is on Sept 12 from 5 - 9 PM. I'll be in town on family business that day, and hope to get to the opening for the last hour or so. Lower resolution versions of the images can be seen at my web site, http://www.foryourhead.com/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 5 23:48:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385673BE86; Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <487349.4779.qm@web24305.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <3D8EA4EF-81EB-4912-9D0A-D2643A046A97@glasswing.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: zoom Q3 Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:48:27 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 71.253.34.110 In-Reply-To: <3D8EA4EF-81EB-4912-9D0A-D2643A046A97@glasswing.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBFC9A7FA2D9DA_32B4_9D60_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CBFC9A7F9BB5A5-32B4-4D3B@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Nemoguitt@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 23:48:36 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CBFC9A7FA2D9DA_32B4_9D60_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" this looks sweet!......i want one! ----------MB_8CBFC9A7FA2D9DA_32B4_9D60_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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    ----------MB_8CBFC9A7FA2D9DA_32B4_9D60_webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 6 00:38:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F743BE85; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:38:41 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252197118; bh=pZp/mnq++m72rB/LuibYKNLvJI2/LKnxHvg3lsmBXDY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=G2tk1C5LbfawGHV02xTZMcjzRHJI/k5L6Rdpg9aNXnzpMqX0Dx9Mn80U/fQsGXhMd/3E8UDXPu+wcLWwKs3pAup2UClZgK+9x62pzqsEx87LfxD5vLp4sOf0xn662kuWftN+TY4TN+UqjqA8jaPwNi5Ya5nZGr/FxE7Oq6WQnyQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I/qeaj76Biwj+v0uq5ieWN0p+e8ZozAGCY/aT/OzCrwf75ApuR0DM7uN2rcxxuZ8gErJks9iuguDdmtZE4eCEBWjq0Ei6lKZSaE7jOTJZlooR4G2oXGXkVSc3uvH+M7zif0a5BNbBIcptLSY01+i9Qv1gEMdcQdncwTdNoiyLSo=; Message-ID: <466712.15786.qm@web45305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sUdBjzoVM1lanusw285BekLOTf62Fn89h1M.SojK5QA8hqgrPPkWUwaWSWgs92ZWrT1cpsXtTF.u4p.0lv1ALpKae_4tKdeaJj5QsgZ0O4meHzyWBVvEHuqtDPFkfO1jaNzp79sOk4pyjkQUxCi9lN4tbqOTBgGi2DwX7F0H.AcebwgtT2naDMdi2N.ZvKP_E1xFnybtW3vYyONHjYdZeZg4Dd_jzX9wSxOF10grebMBP3WjnB4BZApKR4pvbh5B.4Bp3e41_VhFNxcXGmePgqm48muYd15I7aPQhRfOGD7is8A- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: zoom Q3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8CBFC9A7F9BB5A5-32B4-4D3B@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:38:42 +0000 (UTC) This? --- On Sat, 9/5/09, nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > this looks > sweet!......i want one! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 6 01:03:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3168C3BE88; Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , References: <8CBFC9A7F9BB5A5-32B4-4D3B@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: zoom Q3 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:03:09 -0700 Message-ID: <75C997C18E8F4E65BC2D0F8E7E925343@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA2E53.23553370" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8CBFC9A7F9BB5A5-32B4-4D3B@webmail-m033.sysops.aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoujV0R01vLG4EtT/2hlydqlCaR3AAAF25w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:03:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA2E53.23553370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one on order, I'll let you know. Bill _____ From: nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: zoom Q3 this looks sweet!......i want one! ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01CA2E53.23553370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable