From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 04:55:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AE753BE93; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 793 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:55:02 UTC Message-Id: <054FB00B-FDE1-449A-9CD5-C1D7112B2589@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:46 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Server-Quench: 9f66dd06-7e55-11de-a75d-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVcfTsLCBpo UEhAUlJXHgFpCxgG SBwaTBhxdxtCcGB0 YFlgW3JeQ0Q0K0F8 RhgPZ24GZG5laGlR UUJbdE1dJgVMKktF bE14AXYIfGQGMi99 FlBuM3VpZWwPd31Y E1pVIw4Ee0tZVjch WxcHFCkuGktNQD97 MwYnJVERBkcXPQ08 LF0qRVMfNQR6 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1849/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 04:55:02 +0000 (UTC) yup, i go both ways.... i like using automation to do a bunch of things all at once and then do the rest with my feet. i think my songs are about 50/50 On Jul 31, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > i'd like to know some pros/cons, likes/dislikes about this two > different approaches to looping: > > 1) automatic control of your looper of choice by a hw/sw sequencer. > > vs. > > 2) "traditional" trigger/modulation of functions/parameters by means > of a physical controller. > > anybody using a mix of both? > > i'd be curios to know. > > -- > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 05:53:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AE0C3BE93; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 236107436/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.204.197/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.204.197 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskBAOB0c0pPTszF/2dsb2JhbAAI0iyEGAWKDA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,306,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="236107436" Message-ID: <4A73DBEA.2050008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:08:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:53:15 +0000 (UTC) All "traditional" here. Playing the technology as an instrument. I think this all live approach has a better feel, more expressive. So I don't mind the effort to learn to do it. The downside is having to know what to do when it all goes wrong ;-) I might use some mini-sequences in the future, kind of "special effects", I'd be running them on the Gordius Midi controller and they'd be midi synced to the edp. andy butler Raul Bonell wrote: > i'd like to know some pros/cons, likes/dislikes about this two > different approaches to looping: > > 1) automatic control of your looper of choice by a hw/sw sequencer. > > vs. > > 2) "traditional" trigger/modulation of functions/parameters by means > of a physical controller. > > anybody using a mix of both? > > i'd be curios to know. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 08:40:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 734B83BE95; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9LRUysIlQAT1/K6UA1BaHXknFDTdeu8T16xGQN/+ZKE=; b=OdBFFiEi/abKmuxaqeGtmxJTq/pqK+QAvipDoMQ2UYhYE46mkZdNkwyTcXXHoiQAmo pZ8iFR6B3+gmxXAKlj8nkbZHC5PZThhXQjpwm8CKxh07zHq9QELdc+SZgCspmMhg5/C/ 2q412EuWMoL/6il9q9tT0JESMF+cEhLt4YgU8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HURadtwzuTcu5VINJCpMJaBN+qshti0MHTZKe/sWivXy84TD3JOz7D/wV2548KzRAH TvNqZCkx9lO10YMJFSYqEFVWB/DoQNWJa4o5gdTPXD4E2/7HOzZr5eadRVDJK3AzkDFH 7S2fiKJFZgiRETzQ9DqFcl7IEpEQUwpnrNezg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:40:10 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9NsGiB.A.fCC.r9_cKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:40:11 +0000 (UTC) I find it difficult to answer because I don't know where the border is between "automatic" and "manual"? For example if you use the overdub function in toggle mode you will be in "automatic" once you pressed the overdub button all the way until you press it a second time. I use some actions that are as long as one cycle (up to two bars) but since I know exactly what is going to happen when unleashing such a script it is still "manual" to me. One thing I don't use much in technology though, is random. But I try to learn how to play randomly in order to use now and then. An interesting thread you launched here, Raul! For each person the choice of approach relies quite a bit on what music is being performed. I mostly improvise everything and this makes my approach biased. I look for a balance between automatic and manual that lets you improvise stuff that, on a good night, might sound composed to a non musician listener. If there is a choice I tend to go for the manual tweaks because it puts on more of a show - and makes performing more fun. When using hand buttons for tech control that indeed influences the music, because in order to free one hand to push a button you have to either make room for a short silence in the music or a not that can be played with just one hand and all that is totally different depending on what instrument you happen to be playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Raul Bonell wrote: > i'd like to know some pros/cons, likes/dislikes about this two > different approaches to looping: > > 1) automatic control of your looper of choice by a hw/sw sequencer. > > vs. > > 2) "traditional" trigger/modulation of functions/parameters by means > of a physical controller. > > anybody using a mix of both? > > i'd be curios to know. > > -- > Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 09:58:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E80273BEA0; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249120685; bh=TYm5tutJqONejsMuSavh7pTZwheSY4p7UxqnrtumopI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iKo1Eb5QhRFW4alspjM7OdVwQWyX+wnn5VRYXsPmUkpKCEmgC12ohP+VEVyi/fv7W0Kgh2vGSwq4yWlEBPANH9PfJexAF1XXXYZFsLv0EXiy/iE2IbsaT0Q7NTOz6fG+CHy7LzkjIq5w2F4UOQgyWRnBL/6faR3zXg8ZCYb5XX8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HGoI1j5yGDqguzp6MXLU9NsQNmNzdWO1xaO0HpTZVQRJJzFmjXENbS7Y6dPmN9niTRbILBg3ZrhDHrZZKnu1H1v1mnplGtjWpAvlEFZjj6pE4nxjyKctZpy9fzwC8DR4v7OHHnObJuBv296SJyK73iqg0J4+Wc7Vg6Uo9erVksg=; Message-ID: <548603.57576.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:58:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4A73DBEA.2050008@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 09:58:06 +0000 (UTC) I use all traditional which makes it feel like an open cavas and might brin= g surprises everytime,though the main drawback i see with this is the procc= ess of arriving to the something and the time it takes plus the tap dancing= while playing simultaneously the idea you are spontaneously getting across= ,might not be so exciting for the listener,while the other approach might f= ree you more and make improvisations more relax and focused...=0A=0Awww.mys= pace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- andy butler sch= rieb am Fr, 31.7.2009:=0A=0A> Von: andy butler =0A>= Betreff: Re: automation or triggering functions=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 31. Juli 2009, 23:08=0A> All "traditi= onal" here.=0A> =0A> Playing the technology as an instrument.=0A> =0A> I th= ink this all live approach has a better feel, more=0A> expressive.=0A> So I= don't mind the effort to learn to do it.=0A> The downside is having to kno= w what to do when it all goes=0A> wrong ;-)=0A> =0A> I might use some mini-= sequences in the future, kind of=0A> "special effects",=0A> I'd be running = them on the Gordius Midi controller and=0A> they'd=0A> be midi synced to th= e edp.=0A> =0A> andy butler=0A> =0A> Raul Bonell wrote:=0A> > i'd like to k= now some pros/cons, likes/dislikes about=0A> this two=0A> > different appro= aches to looping:=0A> > =0A> > 1) automatic control of your looper of choic= e by a=0A> hw/sw sequencer.=0A> > =0A> > vs.=0A> > =0A> > 2) "traditional" = trigger/modulation of=0A> functions/parameters by means=0A> > of a physical= controller.=0A> > =0A> > anybody using a mix of both?=0A> > =0A> > i'd be = curios to know.=0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From bankofamerica@securesuite.net Sat Aug 1 10:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1343 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Aug 2009 10:01:40 UTC Received: from toq12-srv.bellnexxia.net (toq12.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.119]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F313BE93; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([76.65.227.33]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20090801093251.XJKR13336.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@User>; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:32:51 -0400 From: "message-ID" Subject: notification from: Bank Of America Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 05:41:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20090801093251.XJKR13336.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 11:10:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8C43BEBE; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mrLghm0ISjwsLlToBCYdAZHspXhkrY3oYNwU4v0STNU=; b=tf1ulR1wLD9sUdt7iFSlkdrTlYcD5qUTPUJt9rZcWAIwShkznYyGsl+hlL1tl8z+bl 74+m+MDTCx+isOtdh4mXrx+uYRmBsaMAjG0cee0ZdRCDNauUmrkiJg38xM+LLcKodC/N pgXfYTz1S+SSfTvhGP1Zt0A9Zh1YBl6s2q4Ss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=KHVxcDjHGyzgFsfwi9KvMOwQIgoWx5slQ0b/l3Wmt7blp2eJOeQb2s8EXVoITCiTuT AX4RmtMrsU2MWLcUhBHTO+AgUAXLIqatSg0wMOkH5O844lKp064nkyttbq02ha+MCZ5S brgR698ii5so1aN+E99VMYYFvG/2BnTMbD/1c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:10:25 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908010410v6fd14f25x9890829e0deee4b2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: automation or triggering functions From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Raul, for that interesting thread. Now before I go into my view, I'd like to quote Per: "I find it difficult to answer because I don't know where the border is" Now Per, there are a few scripts I got from you which definitely fall into the "automation" category - how about "chromatic waves"? On the other hand, Raul defined "automatic" as "by a hw/sw sequencer". Does Mobius' scripting function qualify as a sequencer? I believe so. So my location for the line to be drawn (which is actually very implementation-dependant and technical, not function-related) is "automation is everything where you use some kind of sequencer/scripting etc. to either execute a function call within the time frame of a pre-programmed, longer sequence which forms the piece, or to execute several function calls triggered by one user command". And with that definition, even "copy to next track and set that to half speed immediately" assigned to a footswitch would qualify as automation. While I personally work with the "open canvas" approach of Luis Angulo (which, according to him, might bring surprises everytime), I've recently tried working with what I call "interactive sequences" (which are patterns programmed in a sequencer, e.g. Ableton Live, but where I retain a certain level of control e.g. by being able to repeat, skip or extend one specific section). Actually, this does not only include the looping, but also other functions of my computer (e.g. effects processing). And this approach can also bring big surprises, simply because while you define the way the processing is executed, you can still leave the input material completely open. Defined that perfect sequencer automation for a specific melody you've composed? Then let the sequencer run and try to make odd noises instead of playing the melody and see what happens. Or play the melody, but have the sequencer run in the wrong tempo. Just a few thoughts, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 11:16:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906A13BEB2; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JfkorsGZYS+r65o77bJkScuBAg8ZnuqHJQ2OFYU0G6o=; b=aG4s2DZO/BDnY+xQKiNaVO3RaRHR0+D4cueuiPSGWBFkec2rH0Sc1uj9mvcLZb0+12 H8RUuxRO5fXUjCkzQwFVB38pCWm6QemFE7/6ppAB1aRo9ELdgoejd5wNFhwpdBvozLwM x1xKjPKHfvsLZ7Z4XGQfR4WfsPpajofUtu6iE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=tDz+ou+XScoU7wqCLRpVOeVm20TUr5QcDDWXINLFJdjFoTANnwJkl6YvFw0cbC4FQs otnX1KeEtmr+HO5gzhoxPv17xMCg1OTh833GJK/gvyGMQ/QNbv2yBd7OYi6eJoProGV/ AyPjElKRmtZba48+yY0PSQWySM/Zlumks2iFs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:16:12 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908010416u10f45d32h3d64dc89d0923e66@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ua3EC.A.SEF.9PCdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:16:13 +0000 (UTC) [another comment on that thread] Andy said (about the traditional approach): "The downside is having to know what to do when it all goes wrong ;-)" I personally find it easier to deal with the "all goes wrong" situation in a traditional/non-programmed than in a sequenced context. Why? "All goes wrong" by definition results in a system state (the system here being the work of art) that you didn't have in mind when composing the piece and programming the sequencer. The usual solution is to do some things to bring it back to normal again - which can be relatively easy when playing traditional-style (aka "just hit undo"), but might in the result throw your sequencer off. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 12:41:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABC753BEB6; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:41:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=z1X1x2P97wiROeQyxi9ye8lBA3t3K5LTSZQDUYbaMsI=; b=x3iZZeJr4pAaxJuSScjGBaBX52SMMLJtIFa3n0fzBwtdjj1aSJKqshgv0BAHwzswVO NYCY9OIsHGtYuMOOKkU/6ynh3emFRx8l5rxmZ+OEpTIn5NreWnKnbUKezOn87ONngM3e KDnWZSs7tfZ1uCZ8/wdUOVD4e1zsBMgfdn/g4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=nJUGLXva/p6rK86JMS6A+hWPWBOltfoHtiSrFLlb6GH/jqI4Yc+XX58ic4k8tXQcE2 K6xFtJXIPm8+qiRylkKhrZLhrud23NHG5RE/vPu1jhRwM+9Tofjh9PIr1jp1R8Ef+WNd RMU/rXQQuBl/UhC7f3C5k5fqzKCawo6BgyDH0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <548603.57576.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <4A73DBEA.2050008@tiscali.co.uk> <548603.57576.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:41:10 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8fbd1ca1c26c4c2d Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0908010541u58875787u855524693969a503@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3e882433bb047013db54 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:41:33 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3e882433bb047013db54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too am all traditional most of the time , but with one or 2 screw it up. tricks... basically a drum machine (not synched to anything) with some midi note patterns that trigger commands... like popping up and down octaves, or millions of un-dos on 64th beats... great for that micro windowing technique... (do lots of long loops loads of overdubs for hours, then unrounded mult to a few milliseconds.. hit drum machine and it works back in time thru stuf (theis is EDP of course...)... or I have a weird kind of ultra overdub, reverses it picth it and delete it patch... that is well quirky... these get spirted into the mix, when things need spice... m -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=Synch%20Non%20Synch --0015174c3e882433bb047013db54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too am all traditional most of the time , but with one or 2 screw it up. = tricks...
basically a drum machine (not synched to anything) with some = midi note patterns that trigger commands... like popping up and down octave= s, or millions of un-dos on 64th beats... great for that micro windowing te= chnique... (do lots of long loops loads of overdubs for hours, then unround= ed mult to a few milliseconds.. hit drum machine and it works back in time = thru stuf (theis is EDP of course...)... or I have a weird kind of ultra ov= erdub, reverses it picth it and delete it patch... that is well quirky... t= hese get spirted into the mix, when things need spice...


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--0015174c3e882433bb047013db54-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 13:06:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E5C3BEC2; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=pC6DWcczs2F2jNubmejxL2TbLY3uYTO8kj2E0TqvHyk=; b=Ayh5qiX8dV0M7lPJt7wd6TP3wD1lFAEfZw7yfTcz+yauYOXshu0o/dOXahxAL2yG3Q WMIezAHCXzUSlyuh7cRQlizjaFsNShVRMn58Cl1pv5Eo9jPO95tw80JbkpzCvEPfi2Zt dGrMWwGnuR0THLU5Z7qNLkj4Hk1xMFAyyB+D0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=mUMG6bqO5Gf3chGuN885Ian266sXWqt5jTKSOL5M0BuvtgebXTjDz7hlho7a1DGIrI JTSRb9qYrSMhr9QmYBEu9yjWBlgnhEc0GvqhjXv2gUZCb72mAO8pmWbjBIcC8+ZdSVsc aXaL73wtJe6TvNgGbJ9JOqRfiDm0wz359CZCM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <470280.67516.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907281005o68ae11a6l46c22c59a462cf85@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281320q8eb8d51j76408d85927b923b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30907281437n706f81a2te1fe0384cad510a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281610s5696b5b0k7e7c0dcbcc232eb0@mail.gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:06:09 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: c2aa1aedeaa930c3 Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0908010606l1f5031f3r8cacc2497d7d107c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: toys for non-musicians (was: online real time looping sequencer game) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c17b47d37290470143492 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:06:30 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c17b47d37290470143492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Sorry, but Film IS better than digital, and Tape IS better than > digital... > > > but I agree.. close enough and a hell of a lot more convenient... > > > no I was just thinking about the way people hear... > > > > These statements are false. Seriously though, one of the ways to push my buttons is to make blanket "this is better" statements rather than "I like this better for these reasons." Seriously, though What are you like Sottilaro?? I cant just say "Im sorry but film is better now???" Im just NOT HERE (Loopers Delight) to argue and stand up for EVERY SINGLE off topic aside I toss into my posts, where Im just being witty anyhow. I wasnt making a GREAT BIG IMPORTANT statement... AND it was an opinion... You know it was an opinion becase I started the sentance with Im sorry but... then followed with a statement that is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that it cannot possibly be proven, and is SOOOOO subjective that NO-ONE could have believed that I was stating a scientific fact. Im a film-maker dude... we like film... its easy to shoot on... Sure video can look nice.. I happen to LOVE the look of VHS 3 tube cameras from the 80s... and video can look like film... but there you go,,, when video looks good, it cos its been made to look like film... therfore FILM IS BETTER!!! As for the plastic emulsion being bad for the environment, weak... boy... weak... Thats why I yawned... could be bothered to follow up your (initially unsubstantiated blanket statement) These statement are wrong... Please cheer up a bit Mark... i dont know if you noticed but you're being a bit agressive these days... --0015174c17b47d37290470143492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > > Sorry, but Film IS better than digital, and Tape IS bett= er than
> digital...
> > > but I agree.. close enough and a hell of a lot more convenie= nt...
> > > no I was just thinking about the way people hear...
> >
> > These statements are false.

Seriously though, one of the = ways to push my buttons is to make
blanket "this is better" statements rather than "I like this= better
for these reasons."=A0

Seriously, though What are you like Sot= tilaro?? I cant just say "Im sorry but film is better now???" Im = just NOT HERE (Loopers Delight) to argue and stand up for EVERY SINGLE off = topic aside I toss into my posts, where Im just being witty anyhow. I wasnt= making a GREAT BIG IMPORTANT statement... AND it was an opinion... You kno= w it was an opinion becase I started the sentance with Im sorry but... then= followed with a statement that is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that it cannot possib= ly be proven, and is SOOOOO subjective that NO-ONE could have believed that= I was stating a scientific fact.

Im a film-maker dude... we like film... its easy to shoot on... Sure vi= deo can look nice.. I happen to LOVE the look of VHS 3 tube cameras from th= e 80s... and video can look like film... but there you go,,, when video loo= ks good, it cos its been made to look like film... therfore FILM IS BETTER!= !!

As for the plastic emulsion being bad for the environment, weak... boy.= .. weak...

Thats why I yawned... could be bothered to follow up you= r (initially unsubstantiated blanket statement) These statement are wrong..= .


Please cheer up a bit Mark... i dont know if you noticed but you= 9;re being a bit agressive these days...
--0015174c17b47d37290470143492-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 17:54:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55C8C3BEC4; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: SEMI-OT INTERVIEW WITH NELS CLINE AND G.E. STINSON Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:54:07 -0700 References: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Here's an on-line interview with pals Nels cline and G.E. Stinson. It briefly mentions looping at one point so maybe it's not so OT as all that. But it's still interesting. Posted just yesterday it covers a lot of territory though. They're working on a duet project together: "Elevating Device." Worth a listen, definitely. Enjoy! TK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 18:52:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FAC83BEC3; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/HgwniPiOO1DwVqfrVKrDfY6UFqg+0zvesR47rWE91s=; b=jdepiViFzC/hKnrhF8XCgPskvrT7ybnwmc9BG6Hqy8GJtfr6/XuTHh2++2+B2QTqrP MEqcttVg8Ln7MwXtN5X73lhAlyCeJaMUe3QRg/TBCaIAuQ+7NumOfTfeG2nFnWtGlOvu Uu6wZO7otG9xcU9dfUg1UNnB/aqSXx2pt5hDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sbWU8o4SlmqGcmxtWWCQMaPu7sPjGd+Wo9znS+BXR8PHLCpjm84U9zug6NR/GQzrWE p7uWxr+Nuo7vlw5UZcRZMEEr5WECqNNtEIbLnXXl8pHutQ3Q4RqRd7Oeb8O9vRjbQND1 hbJEtEKniEkzBvucc+M3tl1Td0murWxQQn6aE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 14:52:50 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60908011152h2a1a153eo7dfbef5e9838aee3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: SEMI-OT INTERVIEW WITH NELS CLINE AND G.E. STINSON From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5be52293bea0470190b8a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:52:52 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5be52293bea0470190b8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted this is neat thanks for passing on, I've been following GE ever since Shadowfax in the late 70's. He's turned up with some neat things since, be= t this will produce some amazing work with Nels... On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:54 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wro= te: > Hi all, > > Here's an on-line interview with pals Nels cline and G.E. Stinson. > > < > http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=3D127648549781&h=3D6Uuo-&u=3Dyv= A2r&ref=3Dnf > > > > It briefly mentions looping at one point so maybe it's not so OT as all > that. > > But it's still interesting. > > Posted just yesterday it covers a lot of territory though. > > They're working on a duet project together: "Elevating Device." > > < > http://soundsareactive.com/nels-cline-ge-stinson-elevating-device-saa1150= / > > > > Worth a listen, definitely. > > Enjoy! > > TK > > --=20 ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5be52293bea0470190b8a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted this is neat thanks for passing on, I've been following GE ever sin= ce Shadowfax in the late 70's. =A0He's turned up with some neat thi= ngs since, bet this will produce some amazing work with Nels...

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:54 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> = wrote:
Hi all,

Here's an on-line interview with pals Nels cline and G.E. Stinson.

<http://www.faceboo= k.com/ext/share.php?sid=3D127648549781&h=3D6Uuo-&u=3DyvA2r&ref= =3Dnf>

It briefly mentions looping at one point so maybe it's not so OT as all= that.

But it's still interesting.

Posted just yesterday it covers a lot of territory though.

They're working on a duet project together: "Elevating Device.&quo= t;

<http://soundsareactive.com/nels-cline-ge-= stinson-elevating-device-saa1150/>

Worth a listen, definitely.

Enjoy!

TK




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Note: Make sure you reply and forward the needed information to this email address:admin_office@mail2broker.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 19:13:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3EB3BEC4; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60908011152h2a1a153eo7dfbef5e9838aee3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: SEMI-OT INTERVIEW WITH NELS CLINE AND G.E. STINSON Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:13:29 -0700 References: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60908011152h2a1a153eo7dfbef5e9838aee3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8dyMF.A.RDF.ePJdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Jim, Funny thing . . . I used to enjoy Shadowfax way back in the day . . . and was somewhat aware of their guitar player . . . some guy named Stinson (as I'd read in the squint print of the liner notes). A decade or more later, when (through my friendship with Jeff Kaiser) I became acquainted with Nels, Vinny Golia, Stu Liebig, Woody Aplanalp, and a whole bunch of folks associated with a downtown L.A. "scene" surrounding the Alligator Lounge (including a G.E. Stinson), I hadn't made the connection that the two musicians were indeed the same guy. Duh. Actually, I found that out relatively recently. I guess I'm just sort of slow. The musics of the G.E. of now and of Shadowfax of the early '80s are verrrrrry different animals. Ted On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Ted this is neat thanks for passing on, I've been following GE ever > since Shadowfax in the late 70's. He's turned up with some neat > things since, bet this will produce some amazing work with Nels... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 19:18:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E323BEC7; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Guz9jkp9myPnsRotWyYeqYl9iexrhv6fsBV1IB3ENTw=; b=CLk1lTJuMt4wz7KKfFTiP7V/Nx1qqY/xYZYYRrYP9ChT5YEQ26j92UN8xmIJrGdwMB 0vCWTvmKt+50E/ZA9xTWU7bSW5sAqil3kuyWxvhKPBUmyx1QiWOqgHJ02tToB+hnUUoT iVzvQGKtUEUIlxJ/47/9uNyGFaJxIUMITn5x0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JezytjJTR8/CfY5vCYy8pVuZn0Lo5ZcaBeVRwNjqHvq43AxeVG2G+m0gCBE+/Yvo2+ zIN2kuDnIF/xgQBvJFfPxnaRDqnaxXMA26KGGLaxVS2VXr/RsoUr/q5BQjuxkfkmqTc9 0l2q58NBmu0m3az+Vy3MJOLE01AcDihpnjnKE= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <66f9cc1e0908010140h91b5873t1369f390178fe9af@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60908011152h2a1a153eo7dfbef5e9838aee3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60908011218x76a2766bsbab93a46b94fec29@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: SEMI-OT INTERVIEW WITH NELS CLINE AND G.E. STINSON From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5adf47e7ccc047019650b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:18:07 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5adf47e7ccc047019650b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted that's neat they are different worlds his Shadow time and now but that'= s really what's rich. Before Windham Hill noticed them @80 they had done I think two other records that I recall on 'vinyl (whas that!)'. I saw them live @84 along with Michael [Hedges] in Memphis. Anyhow this current stuff sounds like it's going to be really neat, this is a really funny interview at times very cas and lengthy. That's pretty neat thread of folks you came to know in LA... J On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:13 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wro= te: > Jim, > > Funny thing . . . I used to enjoy Shadowfax way back in the day . . . and > was somewhat aware of their guitar player . . . some guy named Stinson (a= s > I'd read in the squint print of the liner notes). > > A decade or more later, when (through my friendship with Jeff Kaiser) I > became acquainted with Nels, Vinny Golia, Stu Liebig, Woody Aplanalp, and= a > whole bunch of folks associated with a downtown L.A. "scene" surrounding = the > Alligator Lounge (including a G.E. Stinson), I hadn't made the connection > that the two musicians were indeed the same guy. > > Duh. > > Actually, I found that out relatively recently. > > I guess I'm just sort of slow. > > The musics of the G.E. of now and of Shadowfax of the early '80s are > verrrrrry different animals. > > Ted > > > > On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Ted this is neat thanks for passing on, I've been following GE ever sinc= e >> Shadowfax in the late 70's. He's turned up with some neat things since,= bet >> this will produce some amazing work with Nels... >> > > --=20 ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5adf47e7ccc047019650b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted that's neat they are different worlds his Shadow time and now but t= hat's really what's rich. =A0Before Windham Hill noticed them @80 t= hey had done I think two other records that I recall on 'vinyl =A0(whas= that!)'. =A0I saw them live @84 along with Michael [Hedges] in Memphis= .

Anyhow this current stuff sounds like it's going to be r= eally neat, this is a really funny interview at times very cas and lengthy.=

That's pretty neat thread of folks you came t= o know in LA...

J

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009= at 3:13 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Jim,

Funny thing . . . I used to enjoy Shadowfax way back in the day . . . and w= as somewhat aware of their guitar player . . . some guy named Stinson (as I= 'd read in the squint print of the liner notes).

A decade or more later, when (through my friendship with Jeff Kaiser) I bec= ame acquainted with Nels, Vinny Golia, Stu Liebig, Woody Aplanalp, and a wh= ole bunch of folks associated with a downtown L.A. "scene" surrou= nding the Alligator Lounge (including a G.E. Stinson), I hadn't made th= e connection that the two musicians were indeed the same guy.

Duh.

Actually, I found that out relatively recently.

I guess I'm just sort of slow.

The musics of the G.E. of now and of Shadowfax of the early '80s are ve= rrrrrry different animals.

Ted



On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:

Ted this is neat thanks for passing on, I've been following GE ever sin= ce Shadowfax in the late 70's. =A0He's turned up with some neat thi= ngs since, bet this will produce some amazing work with Nels...




--
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music links...
www.jimgoodinmusic.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimg= oodinmusic
www= .myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/j= imgoodinviolinelectro
ww= w.myspace.com/jindream
www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic

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--001636c5adf47e7ccc047019650b-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 19:20:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9191E3BED2; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=V6PP06PeXb4orLNe4HE8xw/6ysUQxdrIWdyIWFOb8x8=; b=TC6fOn8NCRAHDySDI7zxgHOFEo2Hu6PS8OXT2RS89qJLIx6hNoTZwhVBFuYYZLP+F8 3f+5HoZU5xGdqxOQfGIFiEpMs4f2Q5t5VuR4DwKS3kKJMKz+xGAT+EhNMGH9jd7escDg IWGt86siYgmzR2qq6EXfM91UTv5rgCjdhNoqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kQprnuqQv5j8ykZ/rQKpI27wD8QJN5O2lPaxK6zbfSm63ReMMPNGPi4058fu+44o4H spxyw6zFSMQJ49nw33tiEUcJluSkV+wwlDEFt1v/vnkliAfd9/HJb0uVtQvKrBCfH1/D atsrPYxneL6k4x3zay3wbyR7+WEHB8xZOSqSc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0908010606l1f5031f3r8cacc2497d7d107c@mail.gmail.com> References: <470280.67516.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907281005o68ae11a6l46c22c59a462cf85@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281320q8eb8d51j76408d85927b923b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30907281437n706f81a2te1fe0384cad510a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281610s5696b5b0k7e7c0dcbcc232eb0@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0908010606l1f5031f3r8cacc2497d7d107c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: toys for non-musicians (was: online real time looping sequencer game) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Oh I've always been plenty cranky. I'm gearing up to be a ranty old man! I'm still standing by my statement though. Of course you have the right to your opinion but there are dangers in your language. As a professional your opinion means more than the average layman's. I know my way around a Bolex and let me tell you, in my opinion it's not easier to shoot on film so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about when you say "it's easier..." While you can get a great look from film, as far as I could tell it's mostly a nightmare to work with compared to modern digital mediums. Same thing with tape. Does it have some inherent qualities that are desirable? Sure. Is it your right to prefer to use it? Absolutely. Saying "It is better" when you're coming from a place of authority is a bit irresponsible though. Also, it's not useful. Saying "I like it better because..." is useful. I do find it funny that there are a lot of VSTs out there now that create the analog crap I spent years as an audio engineer trying to minimize. After Effect plugs that emulate the look of different film stocks complete with scratches and fuzz on the shutter. Awesome. I find it more useful asking the question "does this give me a look/sound that works with my art?" than "Is this medium better?" I had to laugh at the Dumble Amps thread a little while ago. I'm not saying they're bad or good or worth it... I've never had any experience with it, but the price tag makes me smile. I think we spend a lot of time chasing the .5% increase in sound quality that somehow costs 100 times the cost of the 99.5% good sounding gear. What's the point? It becomes a fetish object, just like your film camera is on it's way to becoming. You can argue that, but in 1984 when I saw my first digital multitrack I said, "this will be done totally on computers soon" so I called that one. ;) I'm like The Great Carnak! Have a look at Sin City and tell me that's not a beautiful film. It's shot digitally and the medium is still young. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:06 AM, mark francombe wrote: > >> > > Sorry, but Film IS better than digital, and Tape IS better than >> digital... >> > > but I agree.. close enough and a hell of a lot more convenient... >> > > no I was just thinking about the way people hear... >> > >> > These statements are false. > > Seriously though, one of the ways to push my buttons is to make > blanket "this is better" statements rather than "I like this better > for these reasons." > > Seriously, though What are you like Sottilaro?? I cant just say "Im sorry > but film is better now???" Im just NOT HERE (Loopers Delight) to argue and > stand up for EVERY SINGLE off topic aside I toss into my posts, where Im > just being witty anyhow. I wasnt making a GREAT BIG IMPORTANT statement... > AND it was an opinion... You know it was an opinion becase I started the > sentance with Im sorry but... then followed with a statement that is > COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that it cannot possibly be proven, and is SOOOOO > subjective that NO-ONE could have believed that I was stating a scientific > fact. > > Im a film-maker dude... we like film... its easy to shoot on... Sure video > can look nice.. I happen to LOVE the look of VHS 3 tube cameras from the > 80s... and video can look like film... but there you go,,, when video looks > good, it cos its been made to look like film... therfore FILM IS BETTER!!! > > As for the plastic emulsion being bad for the environment, weak... boy... > weak... > > Thats why I yawned... could be bothered to follow up your (initially > unsubstantiated blanket statement) These statement are wrong... > > > Please cheer up a bit Mark... i dont know if you noticed but you're being a > bit agressive these days... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 19:21:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EEB23BED2; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 235738275/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.165.138/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.165.138 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqABAD4ydEpPTqWK/2dsb2JhbAAI0TeEGAWKEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,307,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="235738275" Message-ID: <4A74994D.9030203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:36:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Review: Jomox T-Resonator "Time Woven Filter Matrix" References: <7334ca1b0907281424u74e25c2dx8e5d68d143d8861a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0907281424u74e25c2dx8e5d68d143d8861a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > Some time ago, when I asked here about odd kind of stompboxes, Andy > Butler pointed me toward the Jomox T-Resonator. Now that I finally had > time to test drive it some, here's a first review. thanks Rainer, great info > WHAT IS IT: > > A black table-top-style box with wallwart power supply, a lot of > dials, a few LEDs and one pushbutton. As for the signal path, the > stereo device offers two identical paths consisting of a simple > digital effect, followed by a 24dB lowpass filter. ...but isn't a Moog type analog filter? If you're familiar with the Moog, how do they compare. > Now that alone wouldn't get anyone interested, so Jomox added feedback > and modulation capabilities. As for feedback, there is a total of > three feedback chains, each available with positive and negative > phase. The thing with the feedback is that on the demos the guys just let it run amok all the time. A moog filter can oscillate with a lovely delicate silvery tone, as long as resonance is tweaked carefully. Can the T-Res manage that? Another thing from the demos, was that guitar sounds gave me more the impression of guitar *plus* weirdness, rather than the guitar *becoming* weirdness such as I like to get from my Vortex. If that makes sense, would you be able to comment? thanks again andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 1 21:34:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00E603BED6; Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RFwjgEjgyS2WEShLcEW9qgTkeDyX+SUUFAvQjihYs70=; b=teNSPy57fONIPx4w30FCVIVFwN+WbvmzCtOy20ZiVtyuD/d6nEp/UOxHP8H5T80OIR txw6ZeZ/PP9VYawY3DokDQBXFh2teCkhBZkXbWsbYJe06fshsg2QxJJk28g13lRRJCi+ a8Eamf9GcN5EBNFe3LFE2nyHdEppUviWSt54Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=G/GTiaCrNVKH+qMijvhmVUuNE8maz62zh/YSXNKWsVWtXEQBgPVVyhQgOJrqIIA6ke 76KrOQqMttHU7/1b/z4vQlggSHfeRn1+8FbDb3xfN6zlMKaqjH8JIcBKDctr6htNY1Rc +ADM4qf6/ctKY8y8cyaPD3IrU0a3fmtamysfY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:34:14 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908011434w65421b3buad006d2ca8fdf2d9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Review: Jomox T-Resonator "Time Woven Filter Matrix" From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler asked: "...but isn't a Moog type analog filter? If you're familiar with the Moog, how do they compare." The Moog filter is a circuit realized with (I believe Ge) diodes, while the T-Resonator uses a transistor-based design. So no, it isn't a moog-circuit for the filter. I haven't taken the time to actually measure the complex frequency response, but by inspection: The filter seems much more correct by good circuit design standards - which doesn't mean it sounds better. The most important difference is that it's next to impossible to get the filter to distort in the screaming moog-style way. However, including a distortion stompbox in your setup can help with that. "A moog filter can oscillate with a lovely delicate silvery tone, as long as resonance is tweaked carefully. Can the T-Res manage that? " As above: no, because it won't distort the same way as a moog filter. The filter oscillation (in negative feedback) is more theremin-like (to stay with the metaphors). Positive feedback gives you really aggressive low-frequency rumble. "Another thing from the demos, was that guitar sounds gave me more the impression of guitar *plus* weirdness, rather than the guitar *becoming* weirdness such as I like to get from my Vortex. If that makes sense, would you be able to comment?" It's funny that you mention that comparison, because when I first tried the T-Resonator I thought of something like "Vortex for elektro/noise people". I cannot second that opinion regarding my playing with the device. There is only a few settings that work for me when using the T-Resonator on a guitar, but with these, it's more of a guitar becoming weirdness as you phrased it. Now that I had a few more days to play with it, here's some additional comment to my first post: The trick really is to not use it as a stereo device, but to patch the output of channel 1 into the input of channel 2 and, if you like so, to put a (analogue - 'cause of headroom you might require) distortion box in between. This does not only work great for working on rave-like synth lines (as I mentioned in my last post), but also for no-input noise settings. By careful combination of envelope, lfo, feedback and delay effect settings, you can create really odd chaotic settings - like just the T-Resonator delievering short low-frequency pulses at a constant 130bpm rate, and after a ever-changing, non-systematic number of pulses generating a filter-sweeping scream (which, although it sounds different, even you as a Moog filter lover would enjoy). Again, perhaps I'll do some video - perhaps tomorrow will be a good day. Yours, Rainer From fringsloanhom6@mchsi.com Sun Aug 2 00:59:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:59:25 UTC Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214BD3BEC9 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:59:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=mchsi.com; s=dkim01; i=fringsloanhom6@mchsi.com; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1249174765; h=Message-Id:Date:From; bh=FhJeFvNU2I/JzTTYo1fRcB4d4 yLQRam+CkH7TefRGls=; b=vtNiCPERvdVoECd81vz0QrdRRIvS22XnamZA1uo+AwhX VMWPUypspeScxL3+8Htaxg5BRCPYHu3xPQuDSxspnw== Received: from sccqwbc17 (scommcenter17.asp.att.net[204.127.203.179]) by mchsi.com (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20090802005347m9200r6pf5e>; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 00:54:11 +0000 Received: from [94.126.16.7] by sccqwbc17; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:53:46 +0000 From: "shariffringsloanhome@gmail.com" Reply-to: shariffringsloanhome@gmail.com Organization: shariffringsloanhome@gmail.com Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:53:46 +0000 Message-Id: <080220090053.5450.4A74E387000890620000154A223245003003010CD2079C080C03BFC0030108020E01049C0902079D00@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZnJpbmdzbG9hbmhvbTZAbWNoc2kuY29t To: undisclosed-recipients:; Good day,loan @3% apply via:shariffringsloanhome@gmail.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 07:19:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BB643BED8; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 239512802/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.205.171/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.205.171 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcBAP7adEpPTs2r/2dsb2JhbAAI0UaEGAWKEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,308,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="239512802" Message-ID: <4A754193.8060301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:34:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Review: Jomox T-Resonator "Time Woven Filter Matrix" References: <7334ca1b0908011434w65421b3buad006d2ca8fdf2d9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0908011434w65421b3buad006d2ca8fdf2d9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 07:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Straschill wrote: > Andy Butler asked: > "...but isn't a Moog type analog filter? > If you're familiar with the Moog, how do they compare." > > The Moog filter is a circuit realized with (I believe Ge) diodes, > while the T-Resonator uses a transistor-based design. So no, it isn't > a moog-circuit for the filter. Moog invented/used a ladder arrangement of transistors such as is found here under the heading "resonant filter" http://www.jayemsonic.de/2l4-resonanteneuronen.html as that's the page of one of the Jomox designers I'm guessing that the filter in the *Resonator* might be the same. In essence, the filter boxes are like their neural network synthesizers but with only 2 neurones. Your mention of Germanium might be the key to the difference though. > I haven't taken the time to actually measure the complex frequency > response, but by inspection: > The filter seems much more correct by good circuit design standards - > which doesn't mean it sounds better. The most important difference is > that it's next to impossible to get the filter to distort in the > screaming moog-style way. However, including a distortion stompbox in > your setup can help with that. > > "A moog filter can oscillate with a lovely delicate silvery tone, as > long as resonance is tweaked carefully. > Can the T-Res manage that? " > > As above: no, because it won't distort the same way as a moog filter. Perhaps I should rephrase. Can the T-Res sustain a pure sounding sine wave by resonance and not always end up with a loud distorted tone? Actually, the Moog filter I have is incredibly clean and accurate when not overloaded. Very noticeable in that sounds with high resonance are still very clean. :-) or that's how it sounds to me anyway Anyway, to sustain a tone by resonance at low level there must be a subtle non-linearity, so I agree that if the "way it distorts" is different then the oscillation sound has to be different. > The filter oscillation (in negative feedback) is more theremin-like distorted? > Now that I had a few more days to play with it, here's some additional > comment to my first post: > > The trick really is to not use it as a stereo device, but to patch the > output of channel 1 into the input of channel 2 and, if you like so, > to put a (analogue - 'cause of headroom you might require) distortion > box in between. > This does not only work great for working on rave-like synth lines (as > I mentioned in my last post), but also for no-input noise settings. > By careful combination of envelope, lfo, feedback and delay effect > settings, you can create really odd chaotic settings - like just the > T-Resonator delievering short low-frequency pulses at a constant > 130bpm rate, and after a ever-changing, non-systematic number of > pulses generating a filter-sweeping scream (which, although it sounds > different, even you as a Moog filter lover would enjoy). sounds like fun, so you're putting a distortion box into a feedback path. It sounds like you'd enjoy http://www.jomox.com/product_details.php?lang=2&category=2&product_id=9 > > Again, perhaps I'll do some video - perhaps tomorrow will be a good day. Many thanks for the report Rainer. I'm thinking of recommending this to a friend who's into creating music with feedback, ...but always delicate tones, so hence the picky questions. Looking forward to your vid if it happens. andy > > Yours, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 09:44:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1883C3BEDA; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249206253; bh=x2sLTOHOHx8hB22EQ3Oh9XJv84RlWiN1ZrEQAiUCzGU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AKlqWot7Of3+f2LAgKcIT15Kwn6j7yCD34hWIF/CAUUgWtgY2pSPb1HcRqiFG//9P6RA3wmqfxeJzX+B7vCUl+jZMYnbRE/x113iuumeWqBbH7X6vlAucaiKSIuZgPUPOAcOMIwU57VuZbkUQSH18OK/nCnh3NIU1nqI9lfrG7E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TMTqH2m2YXjpl/xewAD2H++81Bl4D2YPT/2uI8uhmTO8hY4nDnAFG1CzBJzaaBbkZ5/Ud4ZxoMx4C3cAFDU0gGNpO1VoBqeL3L21OKNlDFVj1wGF4yeDhEJZ+AETo6xbAYn5Tj4E+NLa3GISgASStF/7lpgcSJ1I6rCsiAcGqNs=; Message-ID: <663136.73933.qm@web24304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:44:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <598493C1-5242-4B63-B1E0-AE8951495E32@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <0RtnEB.A.ZRB.u_VdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:44:15 +0000 (UTC) this is hilarious!;-)))=0Ai bet soon this is is going to be on TV like the = famous =0A"Deutschland sucht den superstar" =0A(translation- Germany looks = for the superstar)=0Asomehow Boss loopers have offcially become "the corpor= ate loopers"=0Athe come with those Huey Lewis and the news integrated drum = patterns;-)=0A=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Teddy Kumpel = schrieb am Fr, 31.7.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Teddy Kumpel =0A> Betreff: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany=0A> An: Loope= rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Freitag, 31. Juli 2009, 3:48=0A> = ahhhh yes, looping as an olympic=0A> sport !!!!=0A> awesome=0A> =0A> play b= y play by announcers talking quietly like at a=0A> gymnastic event=0A> =0A>= BORIS: "yes, here's ****... of Hannover, he's been looping=0A> for 3 years= now and comes from a beat box, singing and=0A> classical ukelele backgroun= d.=0A> oooooh, he started off strong with a nice reggae beat,=0A> after tap= ping in the tempo himself... a lot of the younger=0A> looper are using tap = tempo I noticed Jim, whereas the older=0A> loopers are used to setting it m= anually in a menu...."=0A> =0A> JIM: "yes, I've noticed that too... somethi= ng about the new=0A> equipment, oh, he's added a fine ukelele skank part wi= th=0A> phase shifter, a little lagging time offset in the hip hop=0A> tradi= tion, the judges are going to like that.... ah yes, you=0A> see Ricoloop gr= inning..."=0A> =0A> BORIS: "yes, Ricoloop, the undisputed champion of loopi= ng=0A> here in Germany, one of our judges today.... oooooooooooh,=0A> he's = added a nasal bass and a counter melody on distorted=0A> ukelele simultaneo= usly, that's gotta count for extra points=0A> with the judges"=0A> JIM: "ye= s, in the rules of olympic looping the more=0A> elements you add in one pas= s the more points you get,=0A> especially if you make it so you can turn th= em off later=0A> individually..."=0A> =0A> (10 minutes later)=0A> =0A> BORI= S: "he seems to be going for the big end build up now=0A> with the later mu= ltiple vocals.... ouch, he hit one bad note=0A> there... or is he intending= to go for aeolian mode over the=0A> dominant chord structure he's set up..= . let's see how he=0A> gets out of it"=0A> JIM: "ya, the judges don't reall= y care about harmony here,=0A> they're more concerned with the smoothness, = execution and=0A> difficulty level... but it look as if he's saved it BORIS= "=0A> BORIS: "oh yes, he, slipped the major third back in... what=0A> fines= se... I think that should count for extra foresight=0A> points... and he's = playing a little riff..AND AND AND....=0A> wow... great ending, with a nice= reverb blast final chord...=0A> a good showing by *** of Hannover... let's= see what the=0A> judges have to say"=0A> =0A> etc.....=0A> =0A> Teddy=0A> = =0A> =0A> On Jul 31, 2009, at 3:26 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=0A> =0A> > htt= p://www.loopercontest.bossmusik.de/=0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 10:11:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62E5F3BEDB; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PLbUA8eZ2mkuzm315BlDh/lb8HMK0KeP0rao4oQNOTc=; b=wiWGMZNfimKyfh7vSl+iUVX90YDFFkGqqq5eT9/H6xlomZzBXbssySeBxocyjiHwWk 8v5VYwFyn8BT1qSNaPHaTbXj8apBS/R/00aCnH6hS03A25Rc7zaSFLiAN/t/m1bj4UGm ONrqFBhLelAfopZ/eTQ+1ufLEqjOJe0tnEfKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=t25QygSaul9Kf32dGHefe4Y8KaJp/qeMzckjEoUvm2TbiJwPczPQGtQ0yI4PsQZXoE oFPDpRIkOLaevB/GS36WxQgRXrZYZ/CrFOMHgZVIaEKGuZjqeHVrsFjTkur7iidrEKXt 9e9GJePMVjuok77liI+cncAb1vB4lgka+Pv5o= Message-ID: <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:11:15 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: living without money(O.T.) References: <414609.79396.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907230200j6991e5ev77616d07fc930592@mail.gmail.com> <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> In-Reply-To: <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Toby G schrieb: > I'd say for the most part people aren't that driven to compete for high > status. Most folks go to work, come home and want to enjoy their free > time and do like respect but it's not a duel to the death over it. Its an incredible waste of human resources, that most people divide their life into "free time" and "go to work". We are only free if all of our time is free time, including the work we consider being important... When I started to hitchhike again, I not only realized that suddenly I was much more free to go wherever I want to, its also a complete other way of social exchange. In the money world everything turns into a deal. But still most of social exchanges are not deals, they wouldn't work as a deal... Just lurk on any of the couchsurfing groups, and you'll know that this spirit is strong and makes happy... Deals (money involved) can be fine unless this way of thinking isn't pushing all other social activities into the background... Obviously it is possible to survive without money, but we could not survive without our communities. And this LD community is a good example how things work extremely efficient without being a deal... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles---------x-- --_____-----------|-----------|-- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 11:12:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85FF53BEDA; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=7Adfv85aR+GZkvff1I2dApyPEvNUL3nj57cSDpUeHX0=; b=HzpxVxUavWLDSt4vspsAkLTYU4XSzy9Atdf43LxUq/8NMzUkEQataYIhcuUVTt0mII 4KkTBgTmJPNxH/EP5LBpNysrftLI+kw+ZaJCGPAJDWVB3GK1f5u1hsWkcq3aItKSzUp1 ZdsI+p7lLywL/0b2SW/liez7JPDpHEM5z/+lM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=rhTpmyDsdCTTPNbEj1yhVWRCT3r9F9Xl4WPJpaUORVpxDZL2dlhasrOhhOXRTiqw+z e2c1r2S+1RULpO08uPGGMukonBK3m8lrpt4ORXY+UV+A/8IOyw8/INGWpzEqKsV7b8BQ GpVW1Q3FemjQcJesZKW97JqCe7DZXkw4sKsM4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <470280.67516.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907281005o68ae11a6l46c22c59a462cf85@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281320q8eb8d51j76408d85927b923b@mail.gmail.com> <3fa302e30907281437n706f81a2te1fe0384cad510a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0907281610s5696b5b0k7e7c0dcbcc232eb0@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0908010606l1f5031f3r8cacc2497d7d107c@mail.gmail.com> From: mark francombe Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:11:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b399be875041b75b Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0908020411q71c6eefdpb3c7732bb8d14254@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: toys for non-musicians (was: online real time looping sequencer game) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3f0c710608047026b965 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:12:10 +0000 (UTC) --0015174c3f0c710608047026b965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, nice reply.. you have filled in some interesting details. I certainly agree with you about the Dumble amps thing.. and all this,.. " well if you call him you wont get your amp thing..." what a load of toss... and it appears that its just a tube amp with a cheap ass regular old distortion pedal covered in glue.. ha ha Back to the film thread.. I said Film is easier to work with, and you had a problem with that...? Ahem everyone in film will tell you thats true actually. Its is of course "More Expensive" and that, in a way, makes it more difficult, budgets are much more rigorous, but anyway the pipeline (in 99.9 persent of cases) is STILL a digital one. Cos its normal now to shoot on 35 or super 16 and then immediately (maybe after a simple corrections color grade) go straight to digital. I can edit full-on HD on my laptop, thats only 4 times worse that 4K or whatever the digital res of film is (I DONT shoot on film, anymore... so I dont know,) I use grungy plugins... ! ha ha! So I can NEARLY make a Cinema film at home.. thats of course wonderful! There is nothing particularly hard about shooting on film. When you go to film school you learn about lighting, F-stops and depth of field, and thats it really.. choose a good film stock for what you are shooting.. and few filters incase you want to go inside and shoot on tungsten. However.. video... formats, dont get me started... progresive or interlace, frame size, is it or not anamorphic.. white balance, black balance, over shooting the whites, contrast problems, you en up bringing in light after light to correct an issue, then you take em all out, and say (we fix it in post - an industry joke now) so now all you problems are about computer software. There are quick and easy ways of getting video to look nice, so theres less fiddling in post. I use a 35mm lens adaptor. That means you attach a special mount onto your video cam, it has a little spinny grid in front to the lens that emulates film grain, and you can attatch 35mm film camera lenses. This means that you can get that lovely FILM CAMERA depth of field thing of putting the background out of focus. Now there are cameras that can do this anyway (look at Red cameras) But I cant hire them cos I bought 3 HD cameras a few years back (for 6,000 dollars each) and need to use them to make good my investment.. but with these lenses you can pretty much make nice filmy stuff. Using video is cheaper.. thats what makes us use it... There are thousands of film-makers out there now that can make their dream, and that is very important and I for one, whould not have my job. (That is making drama based interactive training films for business and schools) So HURRAH for digital... but lets applaud it for the real reasons.. But its not true that this pipeline always works (Film to digital). In Harry Potter (I saw it last week) im sure spotted some magenta and cyan artifacts (probably caused by microscopic imperfections in the compositing) on some hard contrasty edges... looked almost like it was a video projection.. when I know they have 35mm at that cinema... As for Sin City... its an effect.. sure it was done on a budget on video.. but that effect would just not work on almost ANY other film.. ok maybe a few that are also based on graphic novels. Did I think it was beautiful.. well no.., but thats cos i didnt like the movie... but.. now i think about it, It did have some very cool scenes and the Art Direction WAS superb... so OK.. beautiful ... just not MY cup o char. But remember, that video is only 40 years old (usable instead of film .. um 6 years old.. ok 10) Film is 150 years old... No wonder film-makers resent a bunch of programers and engineers coming along and telling us that digital has so and so more mega wotsit, and color saturation is this, and bla bla bla... It just not about the technology.. its about "The way we make films" I do have one thing to admit: I havent done this in a while, but one of my hobbys was to put a roll of black and white thru my Bolex (Yes I have one) and develop it myself (I have an old russian army developing tank from the WW11) then I have made a printed by cutting a slot in another old Bolex so I can feed my hand deveeloped neg, and expose a positive. this I then develop that.. Im a film geek... m On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Oh I've always been plenty cranky. I'm gearing up to be a ranty old man! > > I'm still standing by my statement though. Of course you have the > right to your opinion but there are dangers in your language. As a > professional your opinion means more than the average layman's. I know > my way around a Bolex and let me tell you, in my opinion it's not > easier to shoot on film so I have no idea what the hell you're talking > about when you say "it's easier..." While you can get a great look > from film, as far as I could tell it's mostly a nightmare to work with > compared to modern digital mediums. > > Same thing with tape. Does it have some inherent qualities that are > desirable? Sure. Is it your right to prefer to use it? Absolutely. > Saying "It is better" when you're coming from a place of authority is > a bit irresponsible though. Also, it's not useful. Saying "I like it > better because..." is useful. > > I do find it funny that there are a lot of VSTs out there now that > create the analog crap I spent years as an audio engineer trying to > minimize. After Effect plugs that emulate the look of different film > stocks complete with scratches and fuzz on the shutter. Awesome. I > find it more useful asking the question "does this give me a > look/sound that works with my art?" than "Is this medium better?" > > I had to laugh at the Dumble Amps thread a little while ago. I'm not > saying they're bad or good or worth it... I've never had any > experience with it, but the price tag makes me smile. I think we > spend a lot of time chasing the .5% increase in sound quality that > somehow costs 100 times the cost of the 99.5% good sounding gear. > What's the point? It becomes a fetish object, just like your film > camera is on it's way to becoming. You can argue that, but in 1984 > when I saw my first digital multitrack I said, "this will be done > totally on computers soon" so I called that one. ;) I'm like The Great > Carnak! Have a look at Sin City and tell me that's not a beautiful > film. It's shot digitally and the medium is still young. > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:06 AM, mark francombe > wrote: > > > >> > > Sorry, but Film IS better than digital, and Tape IS better than > >> digital... > >> > > but I agree.. close enough and a hell of a lot more convenient... > >> > > no I was just thinking about the way people hear... > >> > > >> > These statements are false. > > > > Seriously though, one of the ways to push my buttons is to make > > blanket "this is better" statements rather than "I like this better > > for these reasons." > > > > Seriously, though What are you like Sottilaro?? I cant just say "Im sorry > > but film is better now???" Im just NOT HERE (Loopers Delight) to argue > and > > stand up for EVERY SINGLE off topic aside I toss into my posts, where Im > > just being witty anyhow. I wasnt making a GREAT BIG IMPORTANT > statement... > > AND it was an opinion... You know it was an opinion becase I started the > > sentance with Im sorry but... then followed with a statement that is > > COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that it cannot possibly be proven, and is SOOOOO > > subjective that NO-ONE could have believed that I was stating a > scientific > > fact. > > > > Im a film-maker dude... we like film... its easy to shoot on... Sure > video > > can look nice.. I happen to LOVE the look of VHS 3 tube cameras from the > > 80s... and video can look like film... but there you go,,, when video > looks > > good, it cos its been made to look like film... therfore FILM IS > BETTER!!! > > > > As for the plastic emulsion being bad for the environment, weak... boy... > > weak... > > > > Thats why I yawned... could be bothered to follow up your (initially > > unsubstantiated blanket statement) These statement are wrong... > > > > > > Please cheer up a bit Mark... i dont know if you noticed but you're being > a > > bit agressive these days... > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=Synch%20Non%20Synch --0015174c3f0c710608047026b965 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, nice reply.. you have filled in some interesting details. I certainly a= gree with you about the Dumble amps thing.. and all this,.. " well if = you call him you wont get your amp thing..." what a load of toss... an= d it appears that its just a tube amp with a cheap ass regular old distorti= on pedal covered in glue.. ha ha

Back to the film thread.. I said Film is easier to work with, and you h= ad a problem with that...? Ahem=A0 everyone in film will tell you thats tru= e actually. Its is of course "More Expensive" and that, in a way,= makes it more difficult, budgets are much more rigorous, but anyway the pi= peline (in 99.9 persent of cases) is STILL a digital one. Cos its normal no= w to shoot on 35 or super 16 and then immediately (maybe after a simple cor= rections color grade) go straight to digital. I can edit full-on HD on my l= aptop, thats only 4 times worse that 4K or whatever the digital res of film= is (I DONT shoot on film, anymore... so I dont know,) I use grungy plugin= s... ! ha ha! So I can NEARLY make a Cinema film at home.. thats of course = wonderful!

There is nothing particularly hard about shooting on film. When you go = to film school you learn about lighting, F-stops and depth of field, and th= ats it really.. choose a good film stock for what you are shooting.. and fe= w filters incase you want to go inside and shoot on tungsten. However.. vid= eo... formats, dont get me started... progresive or interlace, frame size, = is it or not anamorphic.. white balance, black balance, over shooting the w= hites, contrast problems, you en up bringing in light after light to correc= t an issue, then you take em all out, and say (we fix it in post - an indus= try joke now)=A0 so now all you problems are about computer software.

There are quick and easy ways of getting video to look nice, so theres = less fiddling in post. I use a 35mm lens adaptor. That means you attach a s= pecial mount onto your video cam, it has a little spinny grid in front to t= he lens that emulates film grain, and you can attatch 35mm film camera lens= es. This means that you can get that lovely FILM CAMERA depth of field thin= g of putting the background out of focus. Now there are cameras that can do= this anyway (look at Red cameras) But I cant hire them cos I bought 3 HD c= ameras a few years back (for 6,000 dollars each) and need to use them to ma= ke good my investment.. but with these lenses you can pretty much make nice= filmy stuff.

Using video is cheaper.. thats what makes us use it... There are thousa= nds of film-makers out there now that can make their dream, and that is ver= y important and I for one, whould not have my job. (That is making drama ba= sed interactive training films for business and schools) So HURRAH for digi= tal... but lets applaud it for the real reasons..

But its not true that this pipeline always works (Film to digital). In = Harry Potter=A0 (I saw it last week) im sure spotted some magenta and cyan = artifacts (probably caused by microscopic imperfections in the compositing)= =A0 on some hard contrasty edges... looked almost like it was a video proje= ction.. when I know they have 35mm at that cinema...

As for Sin City... its an effect.. sure it was done on a budget on vide= o.. but that effect would just not work on almost ANY other film.. ok maybe= a few that are also based on graphic novels.
Did I think it was beautif= ul.. well no.., but thats cos i didnt like the movie... but.. now i think a= bout it, It did have some very cool scenes and the Art Direction WAS superb= ... so OK.. beautiful ... just not MY cup o char.

But remember, that video is only 40 years old (usable instead of film .= . um=A0 6 years old.. ok 10) Film is 150 years old... No wonder film-makers= resent a bunch of programers and engineers coming along and telling us tha= t digital has so and so more mega wotsit, and color saturation is this, and= bla bla bla... It just not about the technology.. its about "The way = we make films"

I do have one thing to admit:
I havent done this in a while, but one= of my hobbys was to put a roll of black and white thru my Bolex (Yes I hav= e one) and develop it myself (I have an old russian army developing tank fr= om the WW11) then I have made a printed by cutting a slot in another old Bo= lex so I can feed my hand deveeloped neg, and expose a positive. this I the= n develop that..

Im a film geek...

m

On Sat, Au= g 1, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Mark Sottilaro <zerocrossing@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 2= 04, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Oh I've always been plenty cranky. =A0I'm gearing up to be a ranty = old man!

I'm still standing by my statement though. =A0Of course you have the right to your opinion but there are dangers in your language. =A0As a
professional your opinion means more than the average layman's. I know<= br> my way around a Bolex and let me tell you, in my opinion it's not
easier to shoot on film so I have no idea what the hell you're talking<= br> about when you say "it's easier..." While you can get a great= look
from film, as far as I could tell it's mostly a nightmare to work with<= br> compared to modern digital mediums.

Same thing with tape. =A0Does it have some inherent qualities that are
desirable? =A0Sure. Is it your right to prefer to use it? =A0Absolutely. Saying "It is better" when you're coming from a place of auth= ority is
a bit irresponsible though. Also, it's not useful. =A0Saying "I li= ke it
better because..." is useful.

I do find it funny that there are a lot of VSTs out there now that
create the analog crap I spent years as an audio engineer trying to
minimize. After Effect plugs that emulate the look of different film
stocks complete with scratches and fuzz on the shutter. Awesome. I
find it more useful asking the question "does this give me a
look/sound that works with my art?" than "Is this medium better?&= quot;

I had to laugh at the Dumble Amps thread a little while ago. =A0I'm not=
saying they're bad or good or worth it... I've never had any
experience with it, but the price tag makes me smile. =A0I think we
spend a lot of time chasing the .5% increase in sound quality that
somehow costs 100 times the cost of the 99.5% good sounding gear.
What's the point? =A0It becomes a fetish object, just like your film camera is on it's way to becoming. =A0You can argue that, but in 1984 when I saw my first digital multitrack I said, "this will be done
totally on computers soon" so I called that one. ;) I'm like The G= reat
Carnak! =A0 Have a look at Sin City and tell me that's not a beautiful<= br> film. =A0It's shot digitally and the medium is still young.


On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:06 AM, mark francombe<mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
>
>> > > Sorry, but Film IS better than digital, and Tape IS bett= er than
>> digital...
>> > > but I agree.. close enough and a hell of a lot more conv= enient...
>> > > no I was just thinking about the way people hear...
>> >
>> > These statements are false.
>
> Seriously though, one of the ways to push my buttons is to make
> blanket "this is better" statements rather than "I like= this better
> for these reasons."
>
> Seriously, though What are you like Sottilaro?? I cant just say "= Im sorry
> but film is better now???" Im just NOT HERE (Loopers Delight) to = argue and
> stand up for EVERY SINGLE off topic aside I toss into my posts, where = Im
> just being witty anyhow. I wasnt making a GREAT BIG IMPORTANT statemen= t...
> AND it was an opinion... You know it was an opinion becase I started t= he
> sentance with Im sorry but... then followed with a statement that is > COMPLETELY OBVIOUS that it cannot possibly be proven, and is SOOOOO > subjective that NO-ONE could have believed that I was stating a scient= ific
> fact.
>
> Im a film-maker dude... we like film... its easy to shoot on... Sure v= ideo
> can look nice.. I happen to LOVE the look of VHS 3 tube cameras from t= he
> 80s... and video can look like film... but there you go,,, when video = looks
> good, it cos its been made to look like film... therfore FILM IS BETTE= R!!!
>
> As for the plastic emulsion being bad for the environment, weak... boy= ...
> weak...
>
> Thats why I yawned... could be bothered to follow up your (initially > unsubstantiated blanket statement) These statement are wrong...
>
>
> Please cheer up a bit Mark... i dont know if you noticed but you'r= e being a
> bit agressive these days...
>




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancom= be
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
http://www.looop.no/shop/catlabel.php?q=3DSynch%20Non%20Sy= nch
--0015174c3f0c710608047026b965-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 12:14:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6F13BEE2; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-id: <4A75832D.5080400@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:14:37 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Galactic Travels Top 20 Report for July, 2009. Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:14:44 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/top20-07jul.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2009. Shows #639 to #643; 2-July-2009 to 30-July-2009 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=95658555829 The Special Focus for July was Jeffrey Koepper. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2009/focus.html#jul ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Alpha Wave Movement - Concept of Motion - HRR Citizen Green - Plant Cell - High Grade Media Cluster - Qua - Nepenthe Create - In the Blink of an Eye - Groove Forrest Fang - Phantoms - Projekt Frank Van Bogaert with Erik Wollo - Air Machine - Ace Jeffrey Koepper - Etherea - Air Space Jeffrey Koepper - Luminosity - Air Space Jeffrey Koepper - Momentium - Air Space Jeffrey Koepper - Radiate - Ricochet Dream Jeffrey Koepper - Sequentaria - Air Space Lemonchill - Sentant - Ricochet Dream Markus Reuter and Ian Boddy - Dervish - DiN Mystified - Frigid Radiance - Triple Bath Paul Ellis - The Last Hiding Place of Beauty - Groove Picture Palace Music - Curriculum Vitae I - Ricochet Dream Radio Massacre International - E-live 2008 - Northern Echo Robert Carty - Starlight Volume 2 - Deep Sky Steve Roach - Dynamic Stillness - Projekt Various Artists - Elektrik Cowboys - Ricochet Dream Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00/ITZ-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Facebook: http://facebook.com/group.php?gid=95658555829 RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 14:10:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C293E3BEE2; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A759E41.6080309@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:10:09 -0400 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: living without money(O.T.) References: <414609.79396.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907230200j6991e5ev77616d07fc930592@mail.gmail.com> <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:10:12 +0000 (UTC) I've done a number of long hitchhiking trips, and they were some of my most formative experiences. I think it helped lead me to my current mode of traveling/touring, and even to the kind of work I can handle doing for money. I need to have control over my time. I feel very lucky to have ended up in computers, which has enabled me to have complete flexibility, working by the hour from anywhere. (The getting-paid-by-the-hour component is important - the concept of salary never sat right w/me). I wasn't necessarily going to share this here, but after some shakeup in my personal life it has turned out that I'm not going to be based in Mexico anymore. For the time being I don't have a fixed address, I'm just bouncing between friends and family in the eastern half of the US while preparing for my next tour. I don't feel the need to have a solid home base, and with wanting to tour most of the time, it wouldn't be much of a home base anyway. But my communities are VITAL to me, whether it's old friends or groups like LD where there's common ground from which new friendships develop. That's where my solidity is. Funny, just last night a friend told me that there's a growing movement of people doing something like what I'm doing, and then Stefan mentioned the couchsurfing groups (which I'm definitely going to follow up on). Inspiring. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Its an incredible waste of human resources, that most people divide > their life into "free time" and "go to work". > We are only free if all of our time is free time, including the work > we consider being important... > When I started to hitchhike again, I not only realized that suddenly I > was much more free to go wherever I want to, its also a complete other > way of social exchange. In the money world everything turns into a > deal. But still most of social exchanges are not deals, they wouldn't > work as a deal... > Just lurk on any of the couchsurfing groups, and you'll know that this > spirit is strong and makes happy... > > Deals (money involved) can be fine unless this way of thinking isn't > pushing all other social activities into the background... > Obviously it is possible to survive without money, but we could not > survive without our communities. And this LD community is a good > example how things work extremely efficient without being a deal... > > Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 15:14:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0863BEE1; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6YouJqmZcfPJZV7o4iSr2bs3SRxm+ZBPsRcgAwmXhlw=; b=VR/MPyK6kzO9SYHohiNc/Ag0gpcm4dAP/h96KsqD7LDy8xBVEOM+MNniYmnCqk/uuI GFh3oRMnyTZirzRgd61CGhI6YWW9s6ajLhRKiBh73vA9RXw/dkNBJhEMWe1F9ppTIQsT J+d5JEPflSA/KCy1/MFqgh/DA0Sbn0Ugr1hXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=h/fTzVVBbSIRa3G+A5BdyKqxWiRRzpeDAuln1k9FtDpLI/SkBkSNt2wGJP8CNLyUyG 3puc+ySN0f3X+jH39FXFgV0rWu4yMHO6Ryroh77CKPRSnXCNKBTLIRuBfYQh5VxyYSf2 7wXHPRQqQp5YbyGPYdL0Ya8wTqLNLH/qLCM7M= Message-ID: <4A75AD6D.5080600@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:14:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iphone looper ... apparently References: <017c01ca0928$f47af0c0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <480F2DD3-4F0B-4613-B915-57F7E047C251@btinternet.com> <4A651F50.4040108@flyloops.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson schrieb: > The one thing I didn't like about JUCE when I tried it was that > everything looks like Tracktion :-) By which I mean that it uses no > native UI componentry so things don't look and feel exactly like a > native app. The new Max/MSP is also based on JUCE. 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Email: paramondfinance@sify.com From Morpold500@gmail.com Sun Aug 2 16:34:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 758 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:34:13 UTC Received: from mr.vnn.vn (mr.vnn.vn [203.162.4.148]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC043BEDE for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3966 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2009 16:33:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO User) (abuse@[77.211.228.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mr.vnn.vn (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Aug 2009 16:33:54 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Capt. Morgan Leopold" Subject: How are you my Good friend Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:21:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20090802163413.0AC043BEDE@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Dear friend,
I want to inform you that I am interested in your service as i intend to invest in your country,But i have a business proposal for you. I am a captain with the British Army troop in Iraq,on war against terrorism. Based on the British legislative and executive decision for withdrawing troops from Iraq on the advent of President Barrack Obama,I have been deployed to come and work in one of EU military base soonest. Our mission is to help beef up terrorist targeted states,mostly the United states and the European Union on the war against terrorism. On the other hand I want to inform you that I have in my possession the sum of USD$12.8 million which was recovered from one of our raids on terrorists here in Iraq because they keep most of their money at home for evil activities which they normally get through illegal deals on crude oil and hard drugs.
Based on the suffering we undergo here some of us do meet such luck. It happened that I went for this raid with the men in my base and I decided to take it as my share for my stress here in this evil land filled with suicide bombers.I deposited this money with a red cross agent informing him that we are making contact for the real owner of the money.It is under my power to approve whoever comes forth for this money. I wish to use this money to invest in your country outside the confines of the United Kingdom because that is where I intend to move over with my family at my retirement years.
I cannot move this money to Britain as i intend to invest out of England and i am a uniformed man so I need someone I could deal with.I chose your company because of its versatility as read over your website and because i need somebody i can trust and it would be wise working with somebody like you who has a business where I can invest into. If you accept,I will transfer the money to Europe where you will be the beneficiary because I am a uniformed person and I cannot be parading such an amount so I need to present someone as the beneficiary.
I am English and an intelligence officer at that so I have a 100% authentic means of transferring the money through diplomatic courier service .I just need your acceptance and all is done. Please if you are interested in this transaction I will give to you the complete details you need for us to carry out this transaction successfully.I decided to find someone that is real and not imaginary and that is why I went to a secured website where I can be sure that the person is real and has a means for me to invest.
Where we are now we can only communicate through our military communication facilities which is secured so nobody can monitor our emails,then I can explain in details to you.I will only reach you through email,because our calls our monitored,I just have to be sure whom I am dealing with.
If you are interested please send me your personal mobile number so I can call you for further inquiries when I am out of our military network.I am writing from a fresh email account so if you are not interested do not reply to this email and please delete this message,if no response after 3days I will then search for someone else.I am doing this on trust,you should understand and you should know that as a trained military expert I will always play safe in case you are the bad type,but I pray you are not because USD$12.8million USD is a lot of money which is the dream of anyone.
I wait for your response so we can go on. In less than 7days the money should have been noted on your account and I will come over for my money.I will give to you 30% of the sum and 70% is for my dream.
I hope I am been fair on this deal.
Regards,
Capt.Morgan Leopold
 
 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 17:12:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242203BEEA; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249233132; bh=FkJU1JiiDkALvEVslHbPx0YoNBcii8ieS/BcNnSbluE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pz1TTRSfMXHf4ZNB4HF5239fTsUIphI5lxSSFhzXAIR9Xigb+UeX/WhQee/C9ZGR0YbLUMB1Fwjbfn/qG1XG6SC5w1Ml8IT/ZkMtyo9YqrNiRyxSoNo44YT081MK2kjPdhN53CN0Qxw9svUdpgfjO9SzeIcPAQhx8tMmuJZv4pU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2U0C7i0LW8WzyJQTPHjoJdzkSviuapKQ3+4+gNYVd9ZL+VpE6Hy5mDEzyuBOi4chluUlx0fvvjgLs+BvUu4tNvCTnsCFVF45JE4ruq5YiVl6/pWnXCRKnmdaINKOecpOjowHW8ktB+VRBZ8ITWTEH8/XS1LSGew9zqkxCPlU5EQ=; Message-ID: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cmeQnW4VM1m5w2cDSb64FOo8Zg3HgEFDlRHcxd_sUvrNm1gl6XgyfHMrgoQ40CV0.z_p0.2jvtZ.Un_BxnwaV.GDY78kXa0w7breOtuHgKwxh2UCcdXIYDombht_BfY2ez9kwqK_unZiIdd4Ev_v147kVvVqXJTOMPX2.8lsy2WDT_fxJrTGDS.8fDUZ036_zLI3ZQq4JA1paSFOZPh1w4.xaEUsGTW4r455x8cFI_FF2vsMp04lxZzyOyIMdmnXqvkMu.q4vM1YblK23ay0aN7kKHhoPp.wFBuUOZxUooF9soCKZ0d8ty4Cg6VoGsyXC3w- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Petepong Phasukyud Subject: Hi Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-494385286-1249233130=:99080" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:12:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-494385286-1249233130=:99080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm a newbie looper interester. Now I'm looking for some looper to experiment some voice (I'm a singer) I saw RC50 , RC20 , Gibson EDP , Jamman , Akai Headrush E2 I don't know which one suit for me. I just wanna get something not too expensive and can try many loop as I can (,y only instrument I'm gonna use is my voice) recording my songs - transfer to computer or record to computer. Haven't think too live performance yet. Can you guys suggest me? I have no idea . Pete --0-494385286-1249233130=:99080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii



I'm a newbie looper interester.

Now I'm looking for some looper to experiment some voice (I'm a singer)

I saw RC50 , RC20 , Gibson EDP , Jamman , Akai Headrush E2

I don't know which one suit for me.

I just wanna get something not too expensive and can try many loop as I can (,y only instrument I'm gonna use is my voice) recording my songs - transfer to computer or record to computer. Haven't think too live performance yet.

Can you guys suggest me? I have no idea .

Pete


--0-494385286-1249233130=:99080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 17:16:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB5BB3BEF1; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:15:59 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SQuJLOtuS1mTeTDLFaYVl4DmuhAnVhN2zKpydZO aytsJ2UZBDSrO+L1oNQmTGhnslk5SzckWnQA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: h48TIJxFaHItI9NJ3SQlyhFiamdhZARH X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Resent-Message-ID: <_7pBmC.A.nbE.UncdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm playing around with Logic Mainstage and was just wandering: Is using Mainstage + Ableton 8 a live looping setup that could make sense? The idea: - Use mainstage for vocal/instrument fx, amp simulations => pre-loop effects - Loop using Ableton 8 (possibly add Moebius) - Add post-loop fx in Ableton (i.e. filters, time fx...) Would does it make and does it work (cpu? routing? latency?) ? thanks Buzap -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 17:36:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CCE83BEEE; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=a+2Q9FnUqSDSxIvYYyC/DNvzeoWgdgp6W+iai5D7KA0=; b=izH3QpluNgK2XR6pfy5yR5HwpieBF0RYuW4xVCtCI1/QDSj11yMlIc6Yjsp1wVkSzL lidiEmW0gpvymtwhIulYO8uSP2pE7YyvJYq1LCU0MwbcPlAyyckXEvHBEou0Dsu8tfDX +ZWAStWjhHqWBDaxRMAUMh1ijo4n/iQAF9Nhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=PARib+2mNSAHNWJ9t8yk2xPC2BtRvscEwIR36KfxMtfCLdQ3MGr7YQyPlXga+0RYHo swABWh7NfN7sEK4+qSrFchWqFgDWNS9qgh+MFGW2+OgrUQCcCe8rAMmExv7vWbJk3v/7 UKnbvky5dhwm/4qu/1Fjveg5CHLrF50WtFL9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:36:40 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60908021036q313f6166hfbe083e48ec173d0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: iTouch music I created and app review From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a6dea0c8ab04702c18ec Resent-Message-ID: <9l-8u.A.LBF.q6cdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:36:43 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a6dea0c8ab04702c18ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I mentioned a couple of weeks ago inheriting an iTouch from my son when he got an iPhone. I began to discover as many probably know a number of useful music apps and possibilities. The challenge and somewhat still is was a decent way to capture outside sources into it's world. So far from my research it seems to be limited to a mic at least with the 2nd Gen iTouch. I think with a couple of older iPod series Belkin and possibly others are making hardware that you can bring in line sources but I'm still researching that. For the moment and current budget I chose a combination mic, headphone adapter and remote switch called SmartTalkmade by Griffin Technologies, it was $14 and probably better for 'voice' recording though for acoustic instruments (example follows) I have found it useful. One of the best apps from those I've tried either 'free apps' or 'paid' from the iTunes app store is StompVoxwhich is rather cool to my experiences so far. Cost was $1.99 which hovers around norm for several audio applications though others can fetch up to $19.99. Stompvox is an environment made up of 5 rather cool looking effects pedals - a noise gate, looper, reverb, echo and a mixer, all visually/functionwise modeled after kind of a mix of early Boss and I'd say MXR pedals. Then the app has 11 presets that use all the pedals in various schemes that can be edited. Preset names are Big Bathroom, Brown Acid, Cathedral, Clangers, Human Beat Box, Platform Announcer, Resonating Robot, Rub a Dub, Shower and Subway. You can save a preset to your own name and your own scheme. So far I personally like Brown Acid which does sort of rapid panning thing somehow, Cathedral which as the name suggests is heavy verb/echo and Human Beat Box which is a nice range of enhancement though I've used it with only the gate, looper and mixer. The looping does not seem to have layering limits but does seem to limit each loop to 45 seconds though I still may be missing some functionality here. Once you've created a loop series that you are ready to finalize and produce you have an option to export the file either with effects or without to a nearby router hosted device/computer which is somehow uniformly always on an open port which befuddles me a bit. When I first did an export I thought I was going to a Stompvox server as I was in the laundry and when it was done the software said go to an ip and port address to download on a computer which the export produces the file to a wav file. Once done however I was home and I couldn't access the address. I saved again and realized it was now going to my router 192.168.2.7 with a port address. When you go to that address you are presented with a StompVox page and a download link and at that point you Control Click on the Mac and save the Wav to your hard drive. So I recorded 6 loops (unfortunately lost one in the above process somehow) and imported the remaining 5 into Audacity to work with which only included duplicating and reversing two of them for the creation of my piece which I call 'Transparency 53'. Though I indicated turning off reverb on some of the loops I did use the Cathedral set stock which is heavy and dark in this. Instruments were oud, wood flute, hand drum, table surface and plastic cassette case and my voice. I have posted for your listening and thoughts up on Box.net at http://www.box.net/shared/6fyxpntzrf . I also have bought another app called iSample that I'm still evaluating and trying to see if there might be a live option. StompVox seems so far aproduction tool and not live but I may change my mind on that. So far as the former it's pretty cool. Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5a6dea0c8ab04702c18ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I mentioned a couple of weeks ago inheriting an iTouch from my son when he = got an iPhone. =A0I began to discover as many probably know a number of use= ful music apps and possibilities. =A0The challenge and somewhat still is wa= s a decent way to capture outside sources into it's world. =A0So far fr= om my research it seems to be limited to a mic at least with the 2nd Gen iT= ouch. =A0I think with a couple of older iPod series Belkin and possibly oth= ers are making hardware that you can bring in line sources but I'm stil= l researching that.

For the moment and current budget I chose a combination mic,= headphone adapter and remote switch called SmartTalk made by Griffin Technologies= , it was $14 and probably better for 'voice' recording though for a= coustic instruments (example follows) I have found it useful.

One of the best apps from those I've tried either &= #39;free apps' or 'paid' from the iTunes app store is=A0StompVox which is rather cool to my experiences so f= ar. =A0Cost was $1.99 which hovers around norm for several audio applicatio= ns though others can fetch up to $19.99.

Stompvox is an environment made up of 5 rather cool loo= king effects pedals - a noise gate, looper, reverb, echo and a mixer, all v= isually/functionwise modeled after kind of a mix of early Boss and I'd = say MXR pedals. =A0Then the app has 11 presets that use all the pedals in v= arious schemes that can be edited. =A0Preset names are Big Bathroom, Brown = Acid, Cathedral, Clangers, Human Beat Box, Platform Announcer, Resonating R= obot, Rub a Dub, Shower and Subway. =A0You can save a preset to your own na= me and your own scheme. =A0So far I personally like Brown Acid which does s= ort of rapid panning thing somehow, Cathedral which as the name suggests is= heavy verb/echo and Human Beat Box which is a nice range of enhancement th= ough I've used it with only the gate, looper and mixer.

The looping does not seem to have layering limits but d= oes seem to limit each loop to 45 seconds though I still may be missing som= e functionality here. =A0Once you've created a loop series that you are= ready to finalize and produce you have an option to export the file either= with effects or without to a nearby router hosted device/computer which is= somehow uniformly always on an open port which befuddles me a bit. =A0When= I first did an export I thought I was going to a Stompvox server as I was = in the laundry and when it was done the software said go to an ip and port = address to download on a computer which the export produces the file to a w= av file. =A0Once done however I was home and I couldn't access the addr= ess. =A0I saved again and realized it was now going to my router 192.168.2.= 7 with a port address. =A0When you go to that address you are presented wit= h a StompVox page and a download link and at that point you Control Click o= n the Mac and save the Wav to your hard drive.

So I recorded 6 loops (unfortunately lost one in the ab= ove process somehow) and imported the remaining 5 into Audacity to work wit= h which only included duplicating and reversing two of them for the creatio= n of my piece which I call 'Transparency 53'. =A0Though I indicated= turning off reverb on some of the loops I did use the Cathedral set stock = which is heavy and dark in this. =A0Instruments were oud, wood flute, hand = drum, table surface and plastic cassette case and my voice. =A0I have poste= d for your listening and thoughts up on Box.net at=A0http://www.box.net/shared/6fyxpntzrf .

I = also have bought another app called iSample that I'm still evaluating a= nd trying to see if there might be a live option. StompVox seems so far apr= oduction tool and not live but I may change my mind on that. So far as the= former it's pretty cool.

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--001636c5a6dea0c8ab04702c18ec-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 18:49:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DD13BEF3; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=x5iXYEGurtvX/d/gEhxoQlFLXwyUeZVt0b2jTi4fDdjcoY5QPXhl2LfNIlwmdRfjU8EB66a6XbrHdwKA0VVbxRY9W7CYFfsLvWTDFdn9rCwLHerSE/LN9EUinJpvLsTFCcw8bswDQVSX7sPN/Ye8bn7Hs3ZPr0fTNM9d9fhvZH0= ; X-Yahoo-SMTP: SUb5O_CswBDpfyUqFjqFvqFWU9Xn0YefOlG9DEhOmHeP_zXkAU4NCNYpZwk- X-YMail-OSG: oZQ6YEIVM1nmjHUfgAevmRTx9wnpeTyg.B3P1M3v2HFv1mWwtyArEWCsZq8Xd9FWBNojZY7b2Zm5lac2wXgo531JA3a53lvLQYN.6bYzIDlBqG8Vu_VWn8Nxo2Sa367sQaVWz3CU_SvBIF.D1HivSoeC2zsIdyMc3b851NB3gX0K88P8e9qnEoCum1LOz8WUcgBCykiHM5HP2BD9hScj30_w2kSU_xHRm5IpOr_b2rBA.7X9Icj.oHRaO1tjtL7WskDjqPHgqOrAZMMYMv32UonnHPEaWOOQLCeurr0HOLzDMpYgXUmf.0.se8bz1EHdlCJHaQcJGBFdQlaM.vbgzvTix_Pn0n3p2Go- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7EBD03E5CE4B41A28FD398BEACA52251@a> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hi Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:49:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CA13AA.549ACE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <0jigh.A.vDH.p-ddKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:49:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CA13AA.549ACE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd recommend the Line 6 DL4. I started with it, and I still use it = today. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Petepong Phasukyud=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Hi Loopers I'm a newbie looper interester. Now I'm looking for some looper to experiment some voice = (I'm a singer) I saw RC50 , RC20 , Gibson EDP , Jamman , Akai Headrush = E2 I don't know which one suit for me. I just wanna get something not too expensive and can try = many loop as I can (,y only instrument I'm gonna use is my voice) = recording my songs - transfer to computer or record to computer. Haven't = think too live performance yet. Can you guys suggest me? I have no idea . Pete =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release Date: = 08/02/09 05:56:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CA13AA.549ACE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd recommend the Line 6 DL4. I started = with it,=20 and I still use it today.
 
Ricky
 
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I'm a newbie looper interester.

Now = I'm=20 looking for some looper to experiment some voice (I'm a=20 singer)

I saw RC50 , RC20 , Gibson EDP , Jamman , = Akai=20 Headrush E2

I don't know which one suit for = me.

I=20 just wanna get something not too expensive and can try = many loop=20 as I can (,y only instrument I'm gonna use is my voice)=20 recording my songs - transfer to computer or record to = computer.=20 Haven't think too live performance yet.

Can you = guys=20 suggest me? I have no idea=20 = .

Pete



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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CA13AA.549ACE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 20:36:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5193BEF4; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_31806408-766b-4ff7-bb9b-5b5cfaf93eea_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.51] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: looping hurdy gurdy Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:36:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2009 20:36:33.0264 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC45A700:01CA13B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:36:34 +0000 (UTC) --_31806408-766b-4ff7-bb9b-5b5cfaf93eea_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU _________________________________________________________________ Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks=2C emoticons=2C display pic= s=2C and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/= --_31806408-766b-4ff7-bb9b-5b5cfaf93eea_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Windows= Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. = Get Them Now = --_31806408-766b-4ff7-bb9b-5b5cfaf93eea_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 21:02:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242643BEF8; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A7EVojEbxrtr9bkCxKnY10gQUU+IDqdnyYNc6b3tXz0=; b=iefRmlssn/5xrL5h0LjWmlYvgPvFC90N/A2TtTcuqE6UdlDJk3uiLhLGEYqpmVcApB m7unI661wn840R2Qeh21I7S8vxnivQVWXQiX89Wd4CBNwQ6b+jpGHukIyZBLldP1TAmO T6EvnzmwO+b6LDZoCnfv/fpcU+pHTz3tsD5JQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=iLxuskDErVU4dVpU1/e5WJfFNAo4iSYrQTPnLTImiVAbTVGU/ahOY7+JD+TA1V3Ibc YDre5KBjxE2F1pT6vmOP5wpwF4NJ9JLLy0qouy6PkswnOzfIaCBNzUsbUpxd1RviAvUD bX5dEH0L3RhasZ1l1NscrEKAkeDL45lzQB/rs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> References: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:56:34 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2ec25f1f4affcdaf Message-ID: <101191640908021356m1b2f3c86xda46d402732efdde@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:02:00 +0000 (UTC) In fact, I use Mainstage + Ableton6 + SooperLooper + Max (to record the whole mess 6 channels in realtime) in a similar way. of course, i'm not using the ableton looper, Latency isn't too bad - I have Mainstage getting guitar input directly from my MOTU and sending output to Jack, which splits and sends to sooperlooper and out to the MOTU. you can always adjust the latency of a looper to work with whatever you want as long as you're not monitoring your input via the looper, so that's no problem. The only issues are processing power and memory - my Macbook is kind of at it's limits on both using a short 64-sample buffer size. but then again, I'm also using Sooperlooper to send midi clocks to Live to drive drum patterns that are either audio loops in Live or MIDI Clips that are getting sent BACK to another Mainstage channel to drive Mainstage drum kits. And i'm also mildly processing and looping another 2 channels of audio from my guitar synth, and sometimes capturing/looping additional audio from people I'm playing with. It's quite sick. And I'm using MIDI Patch back to get MIDI from point A to point B when it doesn't seem to get there by default. It actually works fine (except that once in a blue moon SooperLooper goes nuts with nasty noise and needs to be shut down and restarted, then the Jack routing patch reloaded - but that is infrequent), tho it took a long time to get here. Important hint: make an automator app to start everything in the right order, and don't try to automate the jack server stuff - that needs manual intervention to be controlled properly - ask me if you get that far! On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > I'm playing around with Logic Mainstage and was just wandering: > Is using Mainstage + Ableton 8 a live looping setup that could make sense? > > The idea: > - Use mainstage for vocal/instrument fx, amp simulations => pre-loop effects > - Loop using Ableton 8 (possibly add Moebius) > - Add post-loop fx in Ableton (i.e. filters, time fx...) > > Would does it make and does it work (cpu? routing? latency?) ? > > thanks > Buzap > -- > Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - > sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser > > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 21:34:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023DD3BEF8; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6PzTRjpiFh2oNOazUJMAkdSURpXmO/X6MIrz5gzLFaY=; b=Y8nd1Q6o8lJMB5ViU7esAeB5jEq1MbPThvH15KblaS3RMkZsQzRnpN89YSoapUl1rD zp79tyOFdYKYqljQn4EMGnUBn6oDWdnh++OA3iYxepOFnlJW5IffKZ1Zr/meG/eftrsd mk/I9AG9kE97k4VLzXBh6xiKVWPtZu93DXWRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VCNyjzXkDBA2DZy4m+si59UhnqaRgBIKuPZRZwfIMIdm1cAeyextncPjWicEtt3H0J 3PueEx7qHgYBRGNIk5eC+FvWXran+X48XyfVaqa8TbhvftGkYSawmJyHy9Gjs+AUE0K+ y5HoV5hNujTEe20cP9qkNRbSe1X4jbh6/Aias= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> References: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:22 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908021434n6e9cd890u99900cf4fb8660bb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:34:22 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I'm playing around with Logic Mainstage and was just wandering: > Is using Mainstage + Ableton 8 a live looping setup that could make sense? > > The idea: > - Use mainstage for vocal/instrument fx, amp simulations => pre-loop effects > - Loop using Ableton 8 (possibly add Moebius) > - Add post-loop fx in Ableton (i.e. filters, time fx...) > > Would does it make and does it work (cpu? routing? latency?) ? It doesn't make sense to me until you tell us how you plan to connect those two applications. Are you gong to synchronize them tempo wise? How are audio streams going to be piped between them? ReWire? Could work if you use Mainstage 2, since MS 1 doesn't support ReWire. It seems from your description that you want to input some audio to Mainstage and some audio to Live and then you also want the output of Mainstege to be input into Live. Phew... Isn't it simpler to patch it up and try if it works? It would be interesting to hear about your findings. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 21:40:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E524D3BEFA; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G/ocu1RKwu8NdQpl198EIrYC3yfuwBd6kZ8/d5gsIF0=; b=B7n7MXDDKzuOsxVEB37QCzF4wA9uUOL5+TsKFD+lhagATcYzpQW6wDmagV/CFzTjn2 ybJwYO2FjXCn14Rg1w2RBwkMM2hDn46O3e09E9fU9roJlOk1wLKUY8wbL1YFO9CKmgmM F9tIWQy/mY+qOITBzsn6kYqJZul5ZPk2vE88Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mWN1cJyPPHirh1W0EDZ45YdnvmvDEoPHydtIS1Eddfyud7C+HqYMuMZeaLf+clBkcW OVMe11u4vx2eqYSaqdNqLdmmi+43R1jABXqufMTarm+IPvUijrNQyHKZHneg0j/41GXh kZ96vNdj/xjEyHs3UV8nsSIeepYX6kZ0DsEpk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:40:20 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-cKjlC.A.H9D.EfgdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU Great clip! Mattihas Loibner did a great set at the looping festival in Z=C3=BCrich 2005. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 22:02:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B31263BF00; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MUqaOqAOstJ0UZmRy02/DQB+vjiOAIo58HbgAsAlfWA=; b=rcC0uZ120XlzTAnzkAvgGnJHB0ZjE7XMEu7AzJBgMThCQ3WwZJSIUNvAprcTxT3xN9 uwGhu2ceSZ1nltvjLOdJ4ASSiQc1s0r6K2vSWaTOkN6e7aR1lfLAHpi98UKMrjiSPFDz zfAgyaXZmu3HD+BuFoZo3fOSZAc/q6iJ0IJp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=xFbc876ZHlpQSlzFayf5fu4fLMI1vZU10gdjUS+5S8ii3hUv3RCLM+z/UMKv13D8CM OQpyR2QNVu/Gaazw2RNFsYHP/3Q0sUDZa4xZBVbtKBiGrerLFvowlumrg1xzD1bswqXs RNQFr0gH2P8nlTx/rIVCXLf526wGukgjkpTB8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:02:09 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908021502q5a829e01s28c301a55c90b1b7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Virtual Sound and Vision - Call for Performers From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, this is the Call for Performers for the virtual video streaming festival I've been talking about. Please feel free to forward it anywhere you like, post it on your blog, twitter the link out etc. Link to twitter: http://moinlabs.de/vsv/cfp.htm Of course, I'm happy to answer any questions (off-list). Thanks, Rainer --- VIRTUAL SOUND AND VISION Festival - Call for Performers =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Please do distribute this call for performers freely among mailing lists, forums and blogs. In your own interest, make sure that contact info does not get lost in the process. The email box for communication is: virtualfestival =C4TT moinlabs DOT de A two-day long festival on video stream services of performers playing from their home to yours. A very long webstream gig with performers from all over the world - your input and ideas are very welcome. Virtual Sound and Vision ("VSV" for short) is the first international video streaming music festival, presenting music with visual content to a virtual audience via the world wide web. Using contemporary services for free video streaming, the art is transmitted from the individual artists' performance spaces via the festival site (a truly virtual entity) to the audience, watching and listening from virtually everywhere. The selection of acts will focus on artists making creative use of combination of audio/video (e.g. live video processing, music played to silent films) and/or internet technology for music art (e.g. realtime internet collaboration). VSV is scheduled for the weekend of Sat 3rd/Sun 4th of October 2009 in the time span from 16:00 UTC (http://tinyurl.com/ne6hts) to 23:00 UTC (http://tinyurl.com/nkagrl) each. (Please check links for local time conversions). INFO FOR FESTIVAL GUESTS: ------------------------- The entire festival will be streamed via the internet, there will be no actual and "physical" festival location. Watching the festival requires the use of a contemporary computer of almost any kind (e.g. desktop, notebook, netbook) and OS, a web browser and an acceptable internet connection (e.g. slow DSL link or faster). The festival is provided free of charge. Signup is not necessary. A bill of performers and running order will be published on Sunday September 13th of 2009 on the festival website and via a festival newsgroup. Until then, check out our web presence (see below). INFO FOR ASPIRING ARTISTS: -------------------------- To make this info as short as possible, the actual call for performers is located here: http://moinlabs.de/vsv/cfp.htm. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 23:32:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ECBB3BF00; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=w64LhDmYVi9ZfO3l/1dbtQhvpsl63q4NfjcCTBWSbcI=; b=B/7BbOuHKKWmR/zokcFIbTkCY22k20Io6P8EKm5GkFWL7y/OyV6/gPz2KEKjBe/Qaa nE53P8ZjsgLm9CbZqmTtROW5L8mooldixBn/vbZI/hNwT51jWftjiMx64yEsbSj/rdOy 0X2XtY8JDzflUIs7xQK2OkTb2gp6pdrVB9tek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bIIaksCak82RPLz+z1Ds86GCfcP9OrN9lDzEY99IZp7hdwxURmh9kBo40tFZjf7NMz dntCCSaL8FN5Gfg06e4l9p42hzq25kgBBF1LNm0pY/51+FvMbQD5TcoYrYOMuNgLhnBO lW++ZzS+UFL1DPYoMKZ5Hfywtywt0VK7cR/WA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A759E41.6080309@mhorse.com> References: <414609.79396.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907230200j6991e5ev77616d07fc930592@mail.gmail.com> <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> <4A759E41.6080309@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: living without money(O.T.) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Hitchhiking only works if someone's got it together to buy a car. Couchsurfing only works if someone has spent their money on a couch (and a place to keep it in) I'd love to live in a magic fairy land universe where everyone just did the work they felt was "important." I bet that land smells like a pile of garbage... I bet that land would be a pile of garbage. Who wants to do that job? Would the building I sheet rocked exist in that land, because let me tell you I did not feel important doing that job. It did, however, give me the ability to buy my own couch, car and rent a place to keep them in. While traveling in Japan last September it struck us that the idea of "menial labor" didn't really exist there like it does in the west. It seemed like everyone was proud of their job and worked hard at it whether is was fast food worker or hotel manager. It made me feel ashamed of our culture where your self esteem seems linked to the "quality" of job you have and not the quality of work you do. Here's a question I have. If your tour can't even support itself in terms of travel... why? Wouldn't you be better off finding local gigs and distributing your music all over the world via the internet? Just wondering... On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I've done a number of long hitchhiking trips, and they were some of my most > formative experiences. I think it helped lead me to my current mode of > traveling/touring, and even to the kind of work I can handle doing for > money. I need to have control over my time. I feel very lucky to have ended > up in computers, which has enabled me to have complete flexibility, working > by the hour from anywhere. (The getting-paid-by-the-hour component is > important - the concept of salary never sat right w/me). > > I wasn't necessarily going to share this here, but after some shakeup in my > personal life it has turned out that I'm not going to be based in Mexico > anymore. For the time being I don't have a fixed address, I'm just bouncing > between friends and family in the eastern half of the US while preparing for > my next tour. I don't feel the need to have a solid home base, and with > wanting to tour most of the time, it wouldn't be much of a home base anyway. > But my communities are VITAL to me, whether it's old friends or groups like > LD where there's common ground from which new friendships develop. That's > where my solidity is. > > Funny, just last night a friend told me that there's a growing movement of > people doing something like what I'm doing, and then Stefan mentioned the > couchsurfing groups (which I'm definitely going to follow up on). Inspiring. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> Its an incredible waste of human resources, that most people divide their >> life into "free time" and "go to work". >> We are only free if all of our time is free time, including the work we >> consider being important... >> When I started to hitchhike again, I not only realized that suddenly I was >> much more free to go wherever I want to, its also a complete other way of >> social exchange. In the money world everything turns into a deal. But still >> most of social exchanges are not deals, they wouldn't work as a deal... >> Just lurk on any of the couchsurfing groups, and you'll know that this >> spirit is strong and makes happy... >> >> Deals (money involved) can be fine unless this way of thinking isn't >> pushing all other social activities into the background... >> Obviously it is possible to survive without money, but we could not >> survive without our communities. And this LD community is a good example how >> things work extremely efficient without being a deal... >> >> Stefan > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 23:34:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00F803BF01; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=att.net; s=dkim01; i=sedrick_rogers@att.net; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1249256055; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject: To:From; bh=mhEEtN5RMZ697Q27wdJMcncP+xXFCGjCLMs075YJ4io=; b=hCC cvoLwEv6/you0CM5pITi0yUdr7pgSBz9nEsnDdbZZdv0gkayk1GwYk+PuNkzSIsK/8L Ck3Cj4pXOYzrLUDA== X-Originating-IP: [68.220.166.93] From: "Sedrick Rogers" To: Subject: Digitech JamMan Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01ca13c9$9c2d7720$d4886560$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA139F.B3576F20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcoTyZp4hfki0V0sTeShV+jz9Jktsg== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA139F.B3576F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Does the Digitech JamMan have loop quantization? And if I were to plug a mic into the XLR input of the pedal and wanted to do a vocal loop, what kind of cord do I need to put in the output of the pedal and into the mic input of the PA system? ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA139F.B3576F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello. Does the Digitech JamMan have loop = quantization? And if I were to plug a mic into the XLR input of the pedal and wanted to do = a vocal loop, what kind of cord do I need to put in the output of the = pedal and into the mic input of the PA system?

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA139F.B3576F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 2 23:43:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C760B3BEFF; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=f1a+SdZ/qv3fp29/qzyFYAkW3py/vT5oQKRtir0T9As=; b=uaU5qKOy+e/Sq0lKyMRO9PDlBZKRDm+lrgQ+yYceaYtmhly1HRaKtZZOXz9OkEmWUO JSN2ppUJGjIV6u41pOeVnS8jyKi9UBmZ9M4udVf7mAyKzjTgZBMWqeHKBY7vxbBglcuM yMtxPG2+MkL5uItQB+tEJUns5zFHJAcbqy3ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fmYQ1xpffEA+Y2IpV62ZtYMm24WmNNEY+XrPTOKtpY+9tmPt064xwh6Am7mD6neRb2 TFnUyEG33/3L93/0L3VVvH7i7b21wRJ/piR1wYcKTZpi51JFVVEV8hvcoSPocGk7bf3V XHlSByTfxLikuJ1hPn5uAeXAiLOFLk2ZUgIdI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <436E256CC4DC4EEA9B36D0B50A8B4390@williamsteed> References: <436E256CC4DC4EEA9B36D0B50A8B4390@williamsteed> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: toys for non-musicians (was: online real time looping sequencer game) From: Mark Sottilaro To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:43:18 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:22 AM, William Walker wrot= e: > > " > Oh I've always been plenty cranky. =A0I'm gearing up to be a ranty old ma= n!" > > If you live that long. > Is that a threat you fucking dirtbag? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 00:02:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3BB3BF07; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A76291A.8050907@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:02:34 -0400 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: living without money(O.T.) References: <414609.79396.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907230200j6991e5ev77616d07fc930592@mail.gmail.com> <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> <4A759E41.6080309@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <33gW1C.A.E3H.gkidKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Well, living this way is not for everyone. But I do hope that everybody finds peace w/the work they do for money, whether it be justifying it by the things it allows them to do, or by finding the work itself to be rewarding. I do, by the way, feel good about the work that I do get paid for. My touring does, in fact, get close to supporting itself (comes closer each tour). That's beside the point; I'm happy to do this and have another job which actually supports me. The point is to play live music in front of actual breathing people as much as possible, and to combine that with the ability to see new places and to meet up with new people each night makes it fully worthwhile. It's simply what I want to do; the pros and cons of this model of "distribution" don't interest me. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hitchhiking only works if someone's got it together to buy a car. > Couchsurfing only works if someone has spent their money on a couch > (and a place to keep it in) > > I'd love to live in a magic fairy land universe where everyone just > did the work they felt was "important." I bet that land smells like a > pile of garbage... I bet that land would be a pile of garbage. Who > wants to do that job? Would the building I sheet rocked exist in that > land, because let me tell you I did not feel important doing that job. > It did, however, give me the ability to buy my own couch, car and > rent a place to keep them in. > > While traveling in Japan last September it struck us that the idea of > "menial labor" didn't really exist there like it does in the west. It > seemed like everyone was proud of their job and worked hard at it > whether is was fast food worker or hotel manager. It made me feel > ashamed of our culture where your self esteem seems linked to the > "quality" of job you have and not the quality of work you do. > > Here's a question I have. If your tour can't even support itself in > terms of travel... why? Wouldn't you be better off finding local gigs > and distributing your music all over the world via the internet? Just > wondering... > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> I've done a number of long hitchhiking trips, and they were some of my most >> formative experiences. I think it helped lead me to my current mode of >> traveling/touring, and even to the kind of work I can handle doing for >> money. I need to have control over my time. I feel very lucky to have ended >> up in computers, which has enabled me to have complete flexibility, working >> by the hour from anywhere. (The getting-paid-by-the-hour component is >> important - the concept of salary never sat right w/me). >> >> I wasn't necessarily going to share this here, but after some shakeup in my >> personal life it has turned out that I'm not going to be based in Mexico >> anymore. For the time being I don't have a fixed address, I'm just bouncing >> between friends and family in the eastern half of the US while preparing for >> my next tour. I don't feel the need to have a solid home base, and with >> wanting to tour most of the time, it wouldn't be much of a home base anyway. >> But my communities are VITAL to me, whether it's old friends or groups like >> LD where there's common ground from which new friendships develop. That's >> where my solidity is. >> >> Funny, just last night a friend told me that there's a growing movement of >> people doing something like what I'm doing, and then Stefan mentioned the >> couchsurfing groups (which I'm definitely going to follow up on). Inspiring. >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 00:19:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33963BF05; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Per Boysen'" , References: <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: looping hurdy gurdy Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:19:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4B9EB48112A3499BB78A94215D9E7E19@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoTyeOt4dkc77i5SyWlHrM5jZ5m0AAABo1Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Yes he was amazing as was his Australian percussionist with his = aboriginal singing stones, I think that=92s what he called them. That clip that = Rick posted made me think of a cross between and erhu and a hurdy gurdy, and brought back memories of the Zurich performance as well. I love it when musicians take really old instruments and do something fresh and = adventurous with them as Loibner and his partner did. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Gareth Whittock wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU Great clip! Mattihas Loibner did a great set at the looping festival in Z=FCrich 2005. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 00:54:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9423BF0C; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wMh6FtO3szBPaYAyU0e0nmOSYQzodPeSgeJsIZTzrTg=; b=haeLFdkxnZFCFRQZwSOsJC4oEI9G38Z676XGpZiK0nPyQv/oMEbLvccSJyOVK6sjoX 5f1Nb7RPkp2TTs3mAA6viJfmdAfxpnkQI8ll6p1NzVyyp04AkYMZSAFppbFximJFUONW bbSZNWIlSohRgUcG9h11V8ls5J3kwPcqovDwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RodbA7gRebt3AaGWiGx4OM9iUEhU94hDDCa3l7jZLHVPxslZ4+Ece1eW4fUY9DeeUm wH1kCiV50ayvBpvleQtNwiTkIA9p4dk48wBb6ThaSoh349x0lCdfDTm+aDlPP9beOIHt 2tydsPOmO1u7iOgkzjTAWlqz8eY4tWratJZ/0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A76291A.8050907@mhorse.com> References: <414609.79396.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0907230200j6991e5ev77616d07fc930592@mail.gmail.com> <0B46E809552846EB821142E9A7163A02@NORBY11> <4A756643.7000002@googlemail.com> <4A759E41.6080309@mhorse.com> <4A76291A.8050907@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:54:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: living without money(O.T.) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:54:43 +0000 (UTC) The sad thing is the fact that live music isn't something that's valued as much as it should be in our culture. I can never quite figure out how someone like Madonna can rake in millions yet great small acts seem to beg for crumbs. It always made me laugh when we could fill a small club when we paid for free on a monday night when it was normally empty, but if we charged $3 to get in people would go to the bar across the street. I'd have been happy to play for free, but the club owner decided to charge us to use the PA even though we had our own. That's right, I'm talking to you, The Nines in Ithaca, NY. On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Well, living this way is not for everyone. But I do hope that everybody > finds peace w/the work they do for money, whether it be justifying it by = the > things it allows them to do, or by finding the work itself to be rewardin= g. > I do, by the way, feel good about the work that I do get paid for. > > My touring does, in fact, get close to supporting itself (comes closer ea= ch > tour). That's beside the point; I'm happy to do this and have another job > which actually supports me. The point is to play live music in front of > actual breathing people as much as possible, and to combine that with the > ability to see new places and to meet up with new people each night makes= it > fully worthwhile. It's simply what I want to do; the pros and cons of thi= s > model of "distribution" don't interest me. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> Hitchhiking only works if someone's got it together to buy a car. >> Couchsurfing only works if someone has spent their money on a couch >> (and a place to keep it in) >> >> I'd love to live in a magic fairy land universe where everyone just >> did the work they felt was "important." =A0I bet that land smells like a >> pile of garbage... I bet that land would be a pile of garbage. =A0 Who >> wants to do that job? =A0Would the building I sheet rocked exist in that >> land, because let me tell you I did not feel important doing that job. >> =A0It did, however, give me the ability to buy my own couch, car and >> rent a place to keep them in. >> >> While traveling in Japan last September it struck us that the idea of >> "menial labor" didn't really exist there like it does in the west. =A0It >> seemed like everyone was proud of their job and worked hard at it >> whether is was fast food worker or hotel manager. It made me feel >> ashamed of our culture where your self esteem seems linked to the >> "quality" of job you have and not the quality of work you do. >> >> Here's a question I have. =A0If your tour can't even support itself in >> terms of travel... why? =A0Wouldn't you be better off finding local gigs >> and distributing your music all over the world via the internet? =A0Just >> wondering... >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >>> >>> I've done a number of long hitchhiking trips, and they were some of my >>> most >>> formative experiences. I think it helped lead me to my current mode of >>> traveling/touring, and even to the kind of work I can handle doing for >>> money. I need to have control over my time. I feel very lucky to have >>> ended >>> up in computers, which has enabled me to have complete flexibility, >>> working >>> by the hour from anywhere. (The getting-paid-by-the-hour component is >>> important - the concept of salary never sat right w/me). >>> >>> I wasn't necessarily going to share this here, but after some shakeup i= n >>> my >>> personal life it has turned out that I'm not going to be based in Mexic= o >>> anymore. For the time being I don't have a fixed address, I'm just >>> bouncing >>> between friends and family in the eastern half of the US while preparin= g >>> for >>> my next tour. I don't feel the need to have a solid home base, and with >>> wanting to tour most of the time, it wouldn't be much of a home base >>> anyway. >>> But my communities are VITAL to me, whether it's old friends or groups >>> like >>> LD where there's common ground from which new friendships develop. That= 's >>> where my solidity is. >>> >>> Funny, just last night a friend told me that there's a growing movement >>> of >>> people doing something like what I'm doing, and then Stefan mentioned t= he >>> couchsurfing groups (which I'm definitely going to follow up on). >>> Inspiring. >>> >>> Daryl Shawn >>> www.swanwelder.com >>> www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 01:06:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D58F3BF04; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6vBWyKXip42XnAgIzRxsH0zQehCW2Ce974WgQj0HfBY=; b=b30plPparXrO5UkbUpBBEZYnvLSjA1+cfbPzsJHxwQaFu8gsLGTX+b/4abg7rXak+J 4x0JeXo8d95K0btOLTdWImYJPhQjZbDdz7VY3S4N8zpE4kVvDOMKCdjIsmNmYvKd87vG 6lv+ucEB1ULkUQWjsfw/gbeDg5/Cvs8IP76MA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hUYmfxGgwD8KeQOrfkhzDhaKo7yvR3JKfjaf16gef0cywXC4JPGfX6oqX/Acsl+HD0 0TvMZ8hQw18b4c5/6GVCPewmGbIrN43tyIljKN3KHfcMhFpYxQUyBkS8CLsOvhohp3Qs vQmmgQwAYWG62BmD1lPnV09o/xAFBwkdRdHQM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0908010541u58875787u855524693969a503@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A73DBEA.2050008@tiscali.co.uk> <548603.57576.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0908010541u58875787u855524693969a503@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:06:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:06:05 +0000 (UTC) My control of the looper is all manual, but I use a lot of automation to control post loop effects. From unideai@dawson.nswebhost.com Mon Aug 3 03:51:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3197 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:51:54 UTC Received: from dawson.nswebhost.com (dawson.nswebhost.com [65.254.40.34]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B913BF07 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from unideai by dawson.nswebhost.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MXnkl-0004mG-MT for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:58:23 -0500 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cancellazione X-PHP-Script: unidea.es/es_es/cancellazione/index.php for 66.249.71.132 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:58:23 -0500 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dawson.nswebhost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32500 32501] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dawson.nswebhost.com Ti confermo che la cancellazione alla newsletter è stata effettuata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 06:23:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1B3F3BF14; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=8ZtphMTo9hwyVLCn/YXgHw/xRvL/WHGL52Qn9iWR8Gw=; b=a89pYJYx3FGq6UkUChY/mhGCH0y0128k/5M3J8FC+KFP19ciUdSjRHvZKAbqMDMveO 9ZKoGj8fQJAp99+kdkJ2gpDdYl7llzdhlVDkhNHGJYptnpEfJ2vEIMO3p7eiw4kXK12o V5AlIgqlLLG3Ebe8amOlUdyRMuXYSD2WcUAf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=dsF9bL35KDW1UrU7ncB36ZXom30NWSPxQ1BGwuOeWPfi+uGUJLt4A2EHVw0ID4u9Mk fZHNXKnukOxS99N+4BJKUBttzLGOmTmPyaXkADiSeauF1hU8BGluvoEhnuHzChuASSuP ol1b9QSHqUDo54gFyhufyoI8HBOy/6AsIcf2I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:23:53 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60908022323o27a2733ahdb3c61f795e4fbb9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: re StompVox From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636988a0b5c7206047036d02d Resent-Message-ID: <-GyrKB.A.Ik.6JodKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 06:23:54 +0000 (UTC) --001636988a0b5c7206047036d02d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I worked with StompVox a bit more Sunday evening I began to see more clearly how it works delivering the exported loop. What I said earlier about the transfer process was a bit whack and probably didn't make much sense though it did to me at the time. In that the iTouch/or iPhone is a wireless device taking it's connection through the nearest wireless router, the iTouch/iPhone is the host device of your file. When you connect through your computer browser you're transferring the exported WAV file from the iTouch/iPhone memory over that current network. The assumption as I can tell is you will be able to access the network where the iTouch/iPhone is getting it's IP address. Like most things it takes me a while to connect the dots. That said here's one more piece from some oud and violin takes I did Sunday evening. http://www.box.net/shared/pnvshl2c3x Thx for listening. Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636988a0b5c7206047036d02d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I worked with StompVox a bit= more Sunday evening I began to see more clearly how it works delivering th= e exported loop. =A0What I said earlier about the transfer process was a bi= t whack and probably didn't make much sense though it did to me at the = time. =A0In=A0that=A0the=A0iTouch/or=A0iPhone=A0is=A0a=A0wireless=A0device= =A0taking=A0it's=A0connection=A0through=A0the=A0nearest=A0wireless=A0ro= uter,=A0the=A0iTouch/iPhone=A0is=A0the=A0host=A0device of your file. =A0Whe= n=A0you=A0connect=A0through=A0your=A0computer=A0browser=A0you're=A0tran= sferring=A0the=A0exported=A0WAV=A0file=A0from=A0the=A0iTouch/iPhone=A0memor= y=A0over=A0that=A0current=A0network. =A0The assumption as I can tell is you= will be able to access the network where the iTouch/iPhone is getting it&#= 39;s IP address.

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Thx for listening.

--001636988a0b5c7206047036d02d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 07:46:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2454A3BF16; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:46:11 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7E089D2B8F7C4AAA8E96FB0C4A16CA69@williamsteed> Message-ID: <20090803074611.109660@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5546C3EC25054B4CB13A0A109E117E2D@williamsteed> <20090731163725.285330@gmx.net> <7E089D2B8F7C4AAA8E96FB0C4A16CA69@williamsteed> Subject: Re: OT attention effects pedal freeks and would be effects designers. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18O8x9fvj4OA3E8/1WxmeuQ7s0wWLuFy4HntyGqdG BwF1tMzivkZnUEVj3YB0AmexJo8cBLW+/cCQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 9K1Ae+QZYmYBep8snnY3L/xCWkZTQRTx X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill > Read further, I believe it is stereo because the line 6 tone core docks > are capable of both mono and stereo. > OMG, this is great... > This link may be easier to open: http://line6.com/tcddk/ That's really sweet... :-)) Yeah, too bad it doesn't support Mac - but then again, we can always complain, I guess... ;-) Feeling like building a looper, anyone? thanks buzap -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 08:00:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB1D3BF17; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:00:04 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908021434n6e9cd890u99900cf4fb8660bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090803080004.112050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0908021434n6e9cd890u99900cf4fb8660bb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18xVGxDs0cxHLnh1890SBmeJQLXvx9E9tp/9soI+2 lO6hSp6NGzwIpTYBNt2oUCJ8JB/06icsoPug== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: YPATC6tffW47SZNBjGRoK7VudmllcgXB X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Warren, Per thanks for your responses. Warren, that's quite some setup. ;-) If your's works on MacBook, mine should work, too. Per, I don't have a masterplan was just playing around with both Mainstage and Live8, so had this idea. The main reason is that the way Ableton handles effects is not necessarily how I build my loops (Changes in effects affect(effect?) the whole track and not only one loop in a scene). For connection, I guess before Rewire is supported connecting via cable is the only feasible way, I guess. best regards Buzap -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 08:13:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EEA63BF19; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/JMseABJGCV63r3qJDfwCmNKtJgewio+FmAQdBvENIc=; b=XchhbyvPtjXaCvy05adcA8kPOTKqJAoWtOXzmvuteFzSDIoOz/1wi6E89bHjyAT6Kt +lj0OPwfiQrfRUhmItf0jCoXXURFRfeGvEBsJQzX6f4hfXeek86s0HlGvNoQzxmQ2fpi G/Z/E3TMia7YL3tJnXNebJB113bzAsFqcTDe0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vQUWUjOhoVtMdSQSATAPB9LFD1CYmDZH/9LBHCageSFXIkL7yNWZtN4D/IVX8lKsW3 zAlboR5lgtwjGrujZaQyOI2ymIJjmEjcB+jrAuKSvSmR2LJWbzGw/Ot88N3/+PTuqtWp z13eI7AD4oVUEwTfHlRRI18jUDbZYrp9eWWWA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090803080004.112050@gmx.net> References: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0908021434n6e9cd890u99900cf4fb8660bb@mail.gmail.com> <20090803080004.112050@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:13:17 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908030113y1122a9f3w16c9dea23c048fba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:13:18 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > I don't have a masterplan was just playing around with both Mainstage and Live8, so had this idea. > The main reason is that the way Ableton handles effects is not necessarily how I build my loops (Changes in effects affect(effect?) the whole track and not only one loop in a scene). > For connection, I guess before Rewire is supported connecting via cable is the only feasible way, I guess. ReWire is supported by both Live 8 and Mainstage 2. Not by Mainstage 1 though. Mainstage 2 works as the ReWire Slave only, not as the Master, while Live can take on both of those roles. You typically start the ReWire Master application first and then the other application will automatically start in ReWire Slave Mode. Because of this I think you will have to run them in ReWire mode if using them on the same computer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 08:21:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20783BF19; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at webline.be Message-ID: <20090803102140.136852x2dbrxpq80@ws120.webline.be> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:21:40 +0200 From: "dirk serries" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: seeking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:21:46 +0000 (UTC) hi fellow loopers, My intention is to head for the US in September 2010. Following my European tour I hope to set up a nice tour at the East Coast. I'm therefor looking for concerts at small clubs, artgalleries, radioshows and other small intimate venues. If you have suggestions, offers or just ideas, don't hesitate to contact me offlist at mymicrophonics@gmail.com Thank you and sorry for the space consumption here... www.microphonics.be www.myspace.com/mymicrophonics From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 10:00:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E7333BF1C; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bcd69ec8-9808-4db8-8e9a-296e52c075e0_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.51] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: looping hurdy gurdy Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:00:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> References: <154647.99080.qm@web32905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 10:00:19.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[357AD880:01CA1421] Resent-Message-ID: <4eeeuD.A.VpE.zUrdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:00:19 +0000 (UTC) --_bcd69ec8-9808-4db8-8e9a-296e52c075e0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting. What a tasty player! I did a gig with him about 15 years ago.= I was looping - he wasn't. He was very interested in how and what I was do= ing. Maybe that kicked it off... G > Date: Sun=2C 2 Aug 2009 23:40:20 +0200 > Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > On Sun=2C Aug 2=2C 2009 at 10:36 PM=2C Gareth > Whittock wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU >=20 >=20 > Great clip! Mattihas Loibner did a great set at the looping festival > in Z=FCrich 2005. >=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years=97enjoy free winks and em= oticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/= --_bcd69ec8-9808-4db8-8e9a-296e52c075e0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting. =3B What a tasty player! I did a gig with him about 15 yea= rs ago. I was looping - he wasn't. He was very interested in how and what I= was doing. Maybe that kicked it off...

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>=3B Date: Su= n=2C 2 Aug 2009 23:40:20 +0200
>=3B Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy>=3B From: perboysen@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-de= light.com
>=3B
>=3B On Sun=2C Aug 2=2C 2009 at 10:36 PM=2C Garet= h
>=3B Whittock<=3Bbuddhamachine@live.co.uk>=3B wrote:
>=3B &= gt=3B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU
>=3B
>=3B >=3B Great clip! Mattihas Loibner did a great set at the looping festiva= l
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>=3B Greetings from Sweden>=3B
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Internet Explorer 8 - accelerate your Hotm= ail. Download Internet Explorer 8 = --_bcd69ec8-9808-4db8-8e9a-296e52c075e0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 11:12:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3753BF1B; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8e14b759-f37e-440d-b3ce-576518469974_" X-Originating-IP: [62.7.183.51] From: Gareth Whittock To: Subject: RE: automation or triggering functions Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:12:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <4A73DBEA.2050008@tiscali.co.uk> <548603.57576.qm@web24307.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0908010541u58875787u855524693969a503@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 11:12:26.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[48626E40:01CA142B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:12:26 +0000 (UTC) --_8e14b759-f37e-440d-b3ce-576518469974_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using a lot of automation too. I'm hapy to spin in some grooves/chants = etc as well as make my own live. I'm not really an advocate of the "everyth= ng must be live" philosophy. I'm aware of the danger of too much shoegazing= and wish to avoid it. Having an automated "spine" to work with takes the b= utton pressing out of the performance. Though I like to have executive cont= rol over what kicks in where. The bottom line is "What does it sound like?"= not "how clever is it" for me. This where a laptop comes in handy. You can= pre arrange all sorts of parameter changing that would get in the way of t= he actual instrument playing. Sorry about all the """'s btw Peace G > Date: Sun=2C 2 Aug 2009 18:06:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: automation or triggering functions > From: zerocrossing@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > My control of the looper is all manual=2C but I use a lot of automation > to control post loop effects. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years=97enjoy free winks and em= oticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/= --_8e14b759-f37e-440d-b3ce-576518469974_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm using a lot of automation too. I'm hapy to spin in some grooves/chants = etc as well as make my own live. I'm not really an advocate of the "everyth= ng must be live" philosophy. I'm aware of the danger of too much shoegazing= and wish to avoid it. Having an automated "spine" to work with takes the b= utton pressing out of the performance. Though I like to have executive cont= rol over what kicks in where. The bottom line is "What does it sound like?"= not "how clever is it" for me. This where a laptop comes in handy. You can= pre arrange all sorts of parameter changing that would get in the way of t= he actual instrument playing.

Sorry about all the """'s btw

P= eace

G

>=3B Date: Sun=2C 2 Aug 2009 18:06:04 -0700
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>=3B From: zerocro= ssing@gmail.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>=3B My control of the looper is all manual=2C but I use a lot of au= tomation
>=3B to control post loop effects.
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Download Internet Explore= r 8 = --_8e14b759-f37e-440d-b3ce-576518469974_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 12:07:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D833BF1D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MJeuzl/RGBAa6y9w+Q+kCDKCGRcdSSwVMfMik8/T75g=; b=BjRdAInu/8sEb+ASmaUIXHswVn8lnb+Szw5YxaRTb78Y1+HhjlXZGPkOmUV5EP/6yN bt81eef1ZQ5iRb2xsSNLRRNbezFfqyp7n8cLSC2IaxejRq+Yjvw+d1TgBvo+4nMJ8vSX JZhngnZeAZ0mJX3tOmn8LotplRhRQ8aSTwg2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vuD5bTkRhhaVwrfj1oXow/RvvwfJAIzcr2Pc1+E8c8r2u3STy/0Tn146j3Wji27WNW n44TAi5FydJykbw8J7wf0GBWHIOXOWASGBBHqymE04YnQnem7ZXRFNhGRpyw1uTr1/+/ XdqSpuQsSrI3an6VFoB79ckMt61Ga9ewCzU5I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:07:41 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a6e4e98442004896 Message-ID: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Semi-OT: playlist.com - embeddable mp3 jukebox + From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4hwOF.A.aAH.NMtdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:07:41 +0000 (UTC) In my hunt for a decent, unbranded jukebox for my home page and my lack of time for pondering the javascript/flash customizations necessary to run some of the common players, I came across playlist.com, which offers just what I needed - plus various social networking features, etc. I use this to create playlists of files which I host myself; not sure how friendly/cheap/usable it is if you upload directly. Of course, it bothers me a little to have a 3rd-party dependency, but I figure you have to revamp your web page every so often anyway, so while this works smoothly and is free, I'll use it. After that, I'll do something else. And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to http://www.warrensirota.com and leave the player on in the background for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand-new there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites. -- Warren http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 12:49:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBBDA3BF21; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gr7yrA8acNfplfx2jrOMd5QwEvH/Gss48VLJo3sJ2GQ=; b=Hz8y7pgTs5ZnfT+Khlydd/yhYuCyTFAfgRvGx2SIFqxaaa3zaebfTAApeNcVy1TrjQ CCXGlB/Ss52mSW/gKtnVOHPbZiPTMOuogEXUbcdP7xZGuKnsJl+fIujq3unaE1jQdcPH ttsd/c32AQsGAc2KhBG+1J6V9vnMfCDb4lkdE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=VqjXvs5JS5xLWN0IUY8dIuL5SbXBy+AbCAFxUkbAMlGAqaRB7q29H6E2kzTSxvbhUU 68gCbgtAgbE1ipYWGNvpLiKeyaaCH/wKDs0kyuKwqY/GNKc6aBnQ+Pj7UmWG/VWnQvkI x4K9S35AndGRPBjIDH6ZsB2COx2G2hbKTbzKo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:49:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Semi-OT: playlist.com - embeddable mp3 jukebox + From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9a23b7829d104703c3498 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:49:48 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d9a23b7829d104703c3498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well i had a look and both players showed this message - "due to licensing restrictions, some or all tracks may be unavailable for playback in your country" - and i couldn't play anything! i'm in the UK, btw... sim On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to > http://www.warrensirota.com and leave the player on in the background > for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand-new > there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites. > > --0016e6d9a23b7829d104703c3498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well i had a look and both players showed this message - "due to licensing restrictions, some or al= l tracks may be unavailable for playback in your country" - and i coul= dn't play anything! i'm in the UK, btw...

sim

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, W= arren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to
http://www.warren= sirota.com and leave the player on in the background
for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand-new
there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites.


--0016e6d9a23b7829d104703c3498-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 13:16:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29EC23BF23; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nU2s5c5oyr8oHr03BzsjU5MSOxUI6qqjhtQoOYzVUsg=; b=q1tS4w4ApVy7z1gF2NVDgrsguruC67C06Or/u/LevhAf32vO1tPPAP6exaUDmT69P1 Gcayy/hWiw8RmyTv1TL8MSyB3D0k/DfJ9QgSZQz9xuiKCS5U9+9B5KwXiBaP5ThsTiOj 2Je+/tr76uQbCduHVL6Vb1SeUJ8gQNskgFmh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=OQbt6iuoxKgN+Vy3dOxGdg5VCaHOknPN3rHAuhUwv04WtOSJYO5v0JH0/ZtzYdBIEb cOcisHv5asXFSK9ZZb+6wY9rQZzDYb9s6fYCVoXmieyc+Aw5m3tWnf88i/0Gnkk7lSrR 6HtdZynnZnHR5NLonF0d6ipLS9rYaaFt/4C9k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:08:58 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e30418ae01887d2 Message-ID: <101191640908030608n1b4a2dadv78b9fe08a4e8ba36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Semi-OT: playlist.com - embeddable mp3 jukebox + From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:16:46 +0000 (UTC) ouch!!! i'll have to get in touch with them and see what the story is On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Simeon Harris wrote: > well i had a look and both players showed this message - "due to licensing > restrictions, some or all tracks may be unavailable for playback in your > country" - and i couldn't play anything! i'm in the UK, btw... > > sim > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >> And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to >> http://www.warrensirota.com and leave the player on in the background >> for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand-new >> there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites. >> > > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 13:50:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B96D53BF25; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1251 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:50:31 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=J/EKAl1Qk7gc8AnIy0k/o4AoWX1iX/zOF1K6zZgLr1M=; b=MQNYu7DLbx3JNGnHUm+QvmUzC67bUPKDh05afJdMQr6gkVmmHJXdN0SAiWROTeB9Gm yn4780JbnD8TRA1l8LFNZkBbzeHEQbhTusbHO9MUlsoPcA9znDvjtOqP7mZ8l9R5PAVX 4Z/rISNWO0wgBd3tdRAGcJFFza2tYbbH6sd2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=QoF6H5hlZkBMBjkQNqo/XBmrLKZ52/QsWxpm1nOD+KwY459gFaXML0gUSFjHzKVKsG oh3kQvOcfCOIyODmuayR2WmJDd5AmKOLLnlL6m5B9zu+i1Gdedp5PCwv0A114VAG5BrM vLdjfBaagl2be3UOgoH6CKV+//JlN19puDeOc= MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Roberts Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: <7d2794000908030621y6db1f35frcb9572a1fbaac41a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4d9004221fc04703ca6b9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:50:32 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd4d9004221fc04703ca6b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In fact, I use Mainstage + Ableton6 + SooperLooper + Max (to record > the whole mess 6 channels in realtime) in a similar way. of course, > i'm not using the ableton looper, Live 8's Looper really agitates the hell out of me, so I am thinking about SooperLooper - you are pretty happy with it, then? What are you using Ableton Live for - triggering pre-recorded clips? I was thinking about using my AdrenaLinn III to process guitar into Live (no modelling software yet, but I'll take suggestions!), so I'll try SooperLooper and see what I can make of it! Thanks! drew --000e0cd4d9004221fc04703ca6b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> In fact, I use Mainstage + Ableton6 + SooperLooper + Max (to reco= rd
> the whole mess 6 channels in realtime) in a similar way. = of course,
> i'm not using the ableton looper,

Live 8's Looper really agitates the hell out of me, so I= am thinking about SooperLooper - you are pretty happy with it, then?
=

What are you using Ableton Live for - triggering pre-re= corded clips?=A0

I was thinking about using my AdrenaLinn III to process= guitar into Live (no modelling software yet, but I'll take suggestions= !), so I'll try SooperLooper and see what I can make of it!

Thanks!
drew=A0
--000e0cd4d9004221fc04703ca6b9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 14:25:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8857B3BF24; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:25:03 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249309103; bh=jXs3EMtc4gJM9or1Shge7a1Qr4iIoCe4dYohdRX/4g4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mZL9OSpJ+9o/ua8IgxnmNHjtlZ1HmSxesSlMwxqX4w/EJ8m2F5TkrvI0mE0aCvHuCum+z2OS2Mtdzn6cPSRE5zw8hhcM+C+kc0N2Sm9w5Csl3EorufWX5btNqLI5WowW8JmX343n9/iCzfrDpPwqHnkg5hMF8+63Kft4OqPUgSo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rHnZrTZDK/bWgnEqhZWWWENEOggkOrmm1Xx91fMFOp5mZVlPFomCFvaqb0Ygftrp1GINbR0L9DufB4KNBtpMK6RCMIQtE9O1t6L0RVKL2CHxdHmaGasZTPztMsdZlZhICnCkJykzIsytu4W/NmAKbtH8SHHNqIZ3ofOGdrnrmgk=; Message-ID: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: shADtlsVM1ko6HtRBXNgba5W54Jzp_g86uqmMWbfWhkjouRzPiUpHEb4DapeDj4fYqISP0zW9g1KPzy0B1a8u.eB0CDbQdmdUYoThQ1o0o_ZC5dvAr6bD9hROmW0kw3N5hazV9uzN.pfKJtUhjDEHaYq.SOdTFii6rqViDgD0m2klC4mZSEw8l13iongzJ_EcOr8WASxGJgCpmF26BkqQRptcQ33c4_uGwwH0dYVjV3KZVszd_iHozDY7FQE5w.lES6IcW_9eyCYYRpKBuBhrviFydyc_dlA6Ony9EW8Tk1E_lWQwsXKjogrYZWwfs16v0moQLtY_w3he4RnowOMFdvAClliGnVFSfToAe5nXvFS X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: AKIM TRIEBSCH Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <663136.73933.qm@web24304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:25:04 +0000 (UTC) You people were funny at first but now your guffaws of snobbery and elitist= technocratic behaviour are really starting to take their toll...I mean wha= t are "we" about here....does it have anything to do with making music? I = am starting to wonder...I guess it has become unfashionable among the "Tech= nocrati" to loop with a BOSS pedal...hmmmmm=0A=0Alooping is just a means to= an end!...or is it just a means to an end in itself?..if that is the case = then you can just go on and loop yourselves into a frenzy until you become = dizzy with your own self indulgent misery...I mean really!...This loop comp= etition is a good thing...why not? Take it or leave it....so what if BOSS = is sponsoring it?....they make very inexpensive loopers, so why shouldn't t= hey have a boss loop competition festival? IF you want to be such a rebel = then bring your looperlative or your echoplex to the competition....that is= if they even decide to invite you.=0A=0AAs far as I can tell there isn't t= oo much of a general difference between most loopers....except for this qua= si-mystical time stretching function that some of the more expensive ones h= ave...and some finer details that may or may not make a difference dependin= g on your set-up...=0A=0ANot everyone can afford these more expensive "bett= er" models. Hell, yes I wish I could buy myself a LOOPERLATIVE right now..= ..but I can't, so I'll have to stick with my dinky little RC-50 toy until t= hen...=0A=0AThe BOSS pedals are great pedals for players at all levels....= =0A=0AAlso, if you don't like the drum loops on the Boss pedal, you can act= ually replace them with your own sounds etc...=0A=0ASo in summary...I would= appreciate if people were not so quick to jump on the slander bandwagon an= d start spreading more love and less of this cynical technocratic talk plea= se...music is supposed to move people and that can be done with the tapping= of a stick on wood....and does not require the higher echelons of technolo= gy to do it....=0A=0Acheck your head.=0A=0A;-)=0AAkim=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On = Sun, 8/2/09, L.Angulo wrote:=0A=0A> From: L.Angulo =0A> Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany=0A> To:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 2:44= AM=0A> =0A> this is hilarious!;-)))=0A> i bet soon this is is going to be = on TV like the famous =0A> "Deutschland sucht den superstar" =0A> (translat= ion- Germany looks for the superstar)=0A> somehow Boss loopers have offcial= ly become "the corporate=0A> loopers"=0A> the come with those Huey Lewis an= d the news integrated drum=0A> patterns;-)=0A> =0A> =0A> www.myspace.com/lu= isangulocom=0A> =0A> =0A> --- Teddy Kumpel =0A> schrieb a= m Fr, 31.7.2009:=0A> =0A> > Von: Teddy Kumpel =0A> > Betr= eff: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany=0A> > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com=0A> > Datum: Freitag, 31. Juli 2009, 3:48=0A> > ahhhh yes, loopi= ng as an olympic=0A> > sport !!!!=0A> > awesome=0A> > =0A> > play by play b= y announcers talking quietly like at a=0A> > gymnastic event=0A> > =0A> > B= ORIS: "yes, here's ****... of Hannover, he's been=0A> looping=0A> > for 3 y= ears now and comes from a beat box, singing=0A> and=0A> > classical ukelele= background.=0A> > oooooh, he started off strong with a nice reggae=0A> bea= t,=0A> > after tapping in the tempo himself... a lot of the=0A> younger=0A>= > looper are using tap tempo I noticed Jim, whereas the=0A> older=0A> > lo= opers are used to setting it manually in a=0A> menu...."=0A> > =0A> > JIM: = "yes, I've noticed that too... something about=0A> the new=0A> > equipment,= oh, he's added a fine ukelele skank part=0A> with=0A> > phase shifter, a l= ittle lagging time offset in the hip=0A> hop=0A> > tradition, the judges ar= e going to like that.... ah=0A> yes, you=0A> > see Ricoloop grinning..."=0A= > > =0A> > BORIS: "yes, Ricoloop, the undisputed champion of=0A> looping=0A= > > here in Germany, one of our judges today....=0A> oooooooooooh,=0A> > he= 's added a nasal bass and a counter melody on=0A> distorted=0A> > ukelele s= imultaneously, that's gotta count for extra=0A> points=0A> > with the judge= s"=0A> > JIM: "yes, in the rules of olympic looping the more=0A> > elements= you add in one pass the more points you get,=0A> > especially if you make = it so you can turn them off=0A> later=0A> > individually..."=0A> > =0A> > (= 10 minutes later)=0A> > =0A> > BORIS: "he seems to be going for the big end= build up=0A> now=0A> > with the later multiple vocals.... ouch, he hit one= =0A> bad note=0A> > there... or is he intending to go for aeolian mode=0A> = over the=0A> > dominant chord structure he's set up... let's see how=0A> he= =0A> > gets out of it"=0A> > JIM: "ya, the judges don't really care about h= armony=0A> here,=0A> > they're more concerned with the smoothness, executio= n=0A> and=0A> > difficulty level... but it look as if he's saved it=0A> BOR= IS"=0A> > BORIS: "oh yes, he, slipped the major third back in...=0A> what= =0A> > finesse... I think that should count for extra=0A> foresight=0A> > p= oints... and he's playing a little riff..AND AND=0A> AND....=0A> > wow... g= reat ending, with a nice reverb blast final=0A> chord...=0A> > a good showi= ng by *** of Hannover... let's see what=0A> the=0A> > judges have to say"= =0A> > =0A> > etc.....=0A> > =0A> > Teddy=0A> > =0A> > =0A> > On Jul 31, 20= 09, at 3:26 AM, Michael Peters wrote:=0A> > =0A> > > http://www.looperconte= st.bossmusik.de/=0A> > > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A> =A0 =A0= =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 15:03:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ADBB3BF2D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wXxECCU1iz/04XCeTvfj7NQFoRfa/ynXzbf68tZ+BDM=; b=MU6m0J5wvK4JItv1Z44RPqLT8b2jMm9DvD0FFnt9Sbba+ZHKdcmOJD7GuzxIuf2CTo GXf/Xax9W8AMLovjl22LH8Q7XEvwRcEVVI16NTLr09FTY7/1hpg3lRja1wBTqrwxpR6I T/8E31Su2RQogZiVXOPSbrh7mQxIEXY5xTjO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QdJVqsQz4yrPttW9wEvcLQ/PsliqHA2PAlHhNvoaoH8mZe6P5+SBOahIFNVHHaMvFQ 25vKr0ocmZyHstdiqP/Q1A6MW108+Y/fgBkga/scaGpiU+hA7jJTYO940MAYdvJabr4V rDUBjH/gVC0tkIAovCGSZxa0IZEXJJ6nMWtqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <663136.73933.qm@web24304.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:03:43 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:18 AM, AKIM TRIEBSCH wrote: > > You people were funny at first but now your guffaws of snobbery and eliti= st technocratic >behaviour are really starting to take their toll...I mean = what are "we" about here....does it have >anything to do with making music?= =A0I am starting to wonder...I guess it has become >unfashionable among th= e "Technocrati" to loop with a BOSS pedal...hmmmmm One thing I've found that no matter what list you subscribe to, or forum you frequent, people form camps around what gear/software they use. I find it silly. Loopers-Delight was started by Oberheim Echoplex users and was really heavily biased toward it back in the day. I think people will belittle other people's tools because it's a way of justifying their own choices and the coorasponding investment. If you're making better music with your $500 Boss pedal (is that cheap? I don't think so...) than they are with their $1500 Looperlative, you can imagine someone might feel threatened or silly for their choice and try to slight yours. Hell, one of the more memorable looping performances I've seen was Matt Divingon (sp?) and two cheap delay stomp boxes. > > looping is just a means to an end!...or is it just a means to an end in i= tself?.. What, are you hanging out with Robert Fripp? ;) >if that is the case then you can just go on and loop yourselves into a fre= nzy until you become >dizzy with your own self indulgent misery...I mean re= ally!...This loop competition is a good >thing...why not? =A0Take it or lea= ve it....so what if BOSS is sponsoring it?....they make very >inexpensive l= oopers, so why shouldn't they have a boss loop competition festival? =A0IF = you want >to be such a rebel then bring your looperlative or your echoplex = to the competition....that is if >they even decide to invite you. Of course it's a good thing. A great thing really. BOSS actually has the resources to really promote loop based music, as opposed to small looper sponsored loopfests that are nothing more than looper get-togethers. Many here will talk until they're blue in the face about promoting "live looping" but I suspect that most are really more happy to be in a small club with their "secret" weapon. God forbid live looping really became mainstream and we started seeing the Jonas Brothers using it. > > As far as I can tell there isn't too much of a general difference between= most loopers....except >for this quasi-mystical time stretching function t= hat some of the more expensive ones >have...and some finer details that may= or may not make a difference depending on your set->up... There are quite a few differences, but the basics are mostly the same. Some couldn't do without their Line6 DL-4, others sleep with an EDP under their pillow. Both can be equally useful depending on what their owners need from them. I replaced a $1500 with a free piece of software (Mobius) but many will tell you that software looping is "less than." Whatever. > Not everyone can afford these more expensive "better" models. =A0Hell, ye= s I wish I could buy >myself a LOOPERLATIVE right now....but I can't, so I'= ll have to stick with my dinky little RC->50 toy until then... ...or can afford them and choose a tool that's more to their liking. You'll always have the fetishists who'll tell you that until you have "x" you're not serious. I constantly come across the analog synth druids who will talk until their blue in the face about how no software synth comes close to a true analog synth, and then proceed to not be able to pick an analog synth out from a blind test. > So in summary...I would appreciate if people were not so quick to jump on= the slander >bandwagon and start spreading more love and less of this cyni= cal technocratic talk >please...music is supposed to move people and that c= an be done with the tapping of a stick >on wood....and does not require the= higher echelons of technology to do it.... Good luck with that! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 15:23:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545A93BF2F; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:23:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090803152301.25050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/F1acKeCrFmUg4e/rdJsrywMCUrVVdMIbyJpYQbJ tOwduSZpnAgwb1HRwVBI0S0fvX8K2viZitlQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: s2QfB/JobHIhctsjwjU04B0iJihyapDD X-FuHaFi: 0.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Akim > am starting to wonder...I guess it has become unfashionable among the > "Technocrati" to loop with a BOSS pedal...hmmmmm I'm very happy looping with the "cheap" Boss RC-50 Loopstation myself. People on this forum can certainly attribute that I promote this tool at every opportunity. Further, discussions on the RC-50 are very welcome and actively supported by few people on this list. You're probably right that there is a bit of elitist arrogance hanging in the air. Oh well... ;-) The main objection - imho - could rather be in viewing looping as collaboration (i.e. looping festivals) versus as competition. Nevertheless, I'm sure almost anyone here appreciates any form of promotion & attention looping gets. And finally, I found Teddy's comments hilariously funny... - totally worth the joke imo :-)) best regards Buzap -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 15:40:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857673BF2D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249314014; bh=ECaizxDs4o5NsUdku4KzGNe0R3jG8fpAm4Dn2puNlzQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0vWnOycApKFYQQADA7hdYz8KkCyLfd4ssBEUBR1VWlD6lEk6Pv2h/BWqyOsCGAsmB97vq25WGoHGoOYlRssAPxgfOVOdnX6sSjnjc8Ttuir4C0aJNLlgRa2E22JbuUbUIUp+5TK6mzYS1qllWc11PMIrXPCuW8bDJc7ROkX+698= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ji0yYYlJT9W1CgWgK81LyKRuOLwSNF01iPduZPZY8rrMdpYFuvsdg24EHS7pXaad4erlxBuTuUlJbGt7JR432ZLtE2a9sfrw0KUAVk0ofHUfJU6S5lFft02jVtVudnHgdICBP3uJ2IihFmDtTQyMnrmInYe/VFOviaiVi6H78cA=; Message-ID: <389907.6003.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BOMn050VM1mR2rw3l6CtXdcKI4_.XoVkNODhdYGjgTPst0ZXuS56ZQSnz1KyDxBLM1MR.h.SaEniBmLlU.7kSjOkVRgcEz50bUi0V9qgwHzDzqIs3XayirdZZjZZAwWhmCYxXszEctI5DLRgJ7c8LybT0f9eMjI6Cdt.imBKavIU3Y_sN5.PrMeb29dcL0X4C9k4pREPg55ol7qhkOL8ksBoPV.pReteiTsrYrHPpxrI41qk9NZC2lyEnbWknJlHz_OwHHVxqv7WH9nbsIlsymqWjvvHe_YkN5_Mr3gmuy0XozNFRKULyxIwe8b5Hqao1QSyssnybjtYCcKaadBKQ7O5JNuh9VJbnNE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: AKIM TRIEBSCH Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20090803152301.25050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:40:15 +0000 (UTC) The jokes are great! I love the play by play commentary....If you can't la= ugh at yourself who can you laugh at....=0A=0Aobviously these guys have bee= n there done that...=0A=0Abut I just had a little moment of enough is enoug= h...especially when the boss pedal is made to look redundant....=0A=0Athank= s,=0A=0AAkim=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Buzap Buzap = wrote:=0A=0A> From: Buzap Buzap =0A> Subject: Re: Boss loope= r contest in Germany=0A> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Date: = Monday, August 3, 2009, 8:23 AM=0A> Hi Akim=0A> =0A> > am starting to wonde= r...I guess it has become=0A> unfashionable among the=0A> > "Technocrati" t= o loop with a BOSS pedal...hmmmmm=0A> =0A> I'm very happy looping with the = "cheap" Boss RC-50=0A> Loopstation myself. People on this forum can certain= ly=0A> attribute that I promote this tool at every opportunity.=0A> Further= , discussions on the RC-50 are very welcome and=0A> actively supported by f= ew people on this list.=0A> =0A> You're probably right that there is a bit = of elitist=0A> arrogance hanging in the air. Oh well... ;-)=0A> The main ob= jection - imho - could rather be in viewing=0A> looping as collaboration (i= .e. looping festivals) versus as=0A> competition.=0A> =0A> Nevertheless, I'= m sure almost anyone here appreciates any=0A> form of promotion & attention= looping gets.=0A> And finally, I found Teddy's comments hilariously funny.= ..=0A> - totally worth the joke imo :-))=0A> =0A> best regards=0A> Buzap=0A= > -- =0A> GRATIS f=FCr alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT!=0A> Jet= zt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01=0A> =0A> =0A=0A= =0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 16:24:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E19CC3BF32; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 11741 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:24:40 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oE+WGen9X1Hn3WMzCaYCr4E5j3udEpTM7KbYO4ESeeQ=; b=U+rA4NCUCCuSUxENrqovdpREJSd1c0VL5uPMdYNQihNdIR6j4D8hdV017wptYsHM/i 2YdIJ5AAuGr53WsVhyZfkyGYe6TnRpsPQLke1ANziD338fyYesaGFIQll1UfhhuGe0ho BKFoDffnJhMgXvtGAq7oJL0MtCK3nf5XaegoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Qx0CiphyYF+sxaf6ofTZZDEth+SdZNcxpdgqoaX9oUFrAr/LexbNa2hrSGyRe8kuWL GLhK/yRqvcgcI9i67oLhTGtJ9RWJjtK9au750uoOAqOkqA6HBPQlP64AkwGgCYTcyIYX uHF+v8Ja6wgLmJCXnA10/KEB+8WBxUHzZRwxU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <7d2794000908030621y6db1f35frcb9572a1fbaac41a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d2794000908030621y6db1f35frcb9572a1fbaac41a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:24:39 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: b452ced3b9a46bf1 Message-ID: <101191640908030924r7bce2884g7146779e956d5584@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:24:40 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Andy Roberts wrote: >> In fact, I use Mainstage + Ableton6 + SooperLooper + Max (to record >> the whole mess 6 channels in realtime) in a similar way. of course, >> i'm not using the ableton looper, > Live 8's Looper really agitates the hell out of me, so I am thinking about > SooperLooper - you are pretty happy with it, then? I think SL is great. Not only do I get all the capabilities I need, but it is controllable via osc, so if I want to someday build an ultra-compact UI for it in MAX, no problem > What are you using Ableton Live for - triggering pre-recorded clips? pre-recorded MIDI clips mainly, at present, going through a velocity variator to add a little variety. some audio clips too - mostly shakers I am now also using Live to process the output of SL in order to introduce more variety into the Loop. I could do that in MS, but MS is already working pretty hard, and the Live fx are easier to vary via MIDI Clips with controller info, which act as LFOs, basically, for this purpose. > I was thinking about using my AdrenaLinn III to process guitar into Live (no > modelling software yet, but I'll take suggestions!), so I'll try > SooperLooper and see what I can make of it! > Thanks! > drew -- Warren http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 16:27:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CB253BF2F; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6sN6F+sSUxHHO9Z5YQ2OFy4ADGCmq4iJ0Bg8ucimsMA=; b=RXHILiORo5BFcfdMVuDaeXRsdLRW1/r4Dez5y9OU0uGj5jfj1E6rIiG11ZGgJGyQ9R fCEpgI042439hcNiwGX4TTx+L4NigTJwtQ44bzBQ05HES1S+La75XDm1ADKhYq7x4kCx 7T/IX02YyjRfhCLRJb2XZKBm5PrN1A4/ACLmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YAQ4M5/ebRl6fagT+6C54cSRWRWx+mCmXKrn3xPHYcJAgbGmZYOY1Fjsuhoja2UK/p 7kXi5x/xjeQHfCM1qk9QDGhKrlWqhpxXg7xWuU9plgse/ROH2gLxT2qo5AEW1kIzLUh8 doQcQ7aBZ/fjWuMxuNs6vq+DU9GKgdBwYBfj0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <101191640908030608n1b4a2dadv78b9fe08a4e8ba36@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> <101191640908030608n1b4a2dadv78b9fe08a4e8ba36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:27:06 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7ff3127eb22cb7c7 Message-ID: <101191640908030927pb0ea914mf8576e4bd49a52b4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Semi-OT: playlist.com - embeddable mp3 jukebox + From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:27:07 +0000 (UTC) bummer - i got kind of a non-answer from them, essentially, "yep, we know it's a problem. we're trying to get more permissions" On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > ouch!!! i'll have to get in touch with them and see what the story is > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Simeon > Harris wrote: >> well i had a look and both players showed this message - "due to licensing >> restrictions, some or all tracks may be unavailable for playback in your >> country" - and i couldn't play anything! i'm in the UK, btw... >> >> sim >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: >>> >>> And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to >>> http://www.warrensirota.com and leave the player on in the background >>> for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand-new >>> there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites. >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 16:32:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A92EC3BF36; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UsS+8u6ghS2zSXX3GQErIto1aFPiM0uza2RMdK0B9WU=; b=NCtJ5P8gwe2kpVZ3Vom6FxvEW8sBsC7YOekDvC7dsOaLeuUqUxoQ7kTe6f8y/bL/h3 fAzwK0V2KPWyVnVoIGWng3IsptvMobWkdwAkzhi2l5HDAg+p6U+gsjj0kjDQZslDLDlR tlPK6Ha9YfgyGFwQtiv74NOE4pMfK8zVUCIzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=H77zHkn4A+465eC9qpW7mUAq++gY+YbhAnfILtcYY647b54/1DCiRcZHvot6ahpyLy J0f4NXFCavFr4/zne2rmy+tBaEZ9qlaGmLs2whVHji4vexAF82QUMXR/vWeCSfPUBZtI kR+yUuKterJPPKdbIhfhPtAQzucEZHwGpAOM4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:32:29 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908030932n37d3613et59227713b8cf0318@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Akim said: > As far as I can tell there isn't too much of a general difference between most loopers... This is where you're obviously wrong, and this may also be why people who absolutely need e.g. unrounded multiply or loop windowing for what they do appear elitist, arrogant or whatever to you. And don't give me that "I can't afford something else"...sell your RC50 and use Mobius instead (free software). ;) Apart from that - I'm curious: are you planning on taking part in the contest? Is anyone else here? (For those who are interested: I just received a statement from the event mgt today and yes, a DD20 is "a boss looper" in the context of the eligibility criteria for the contest). Yours, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 16:46:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 463703BF38; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 346 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:45:59 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9/vt0k0x2LYExX5dTRB5QC5wF69xwcgRHAMP1apgxIs=; b=oZVYGBZQXwwWBHXSCJFNYkFu2FlIk8AwIMI7wAE/F9TSufJE2uwm6wPCXppCpkGhfC W1dDQoZV1K7D437x8/vmdygfzZtvyqnmqJBcTaF8H2idcVudVmnrWWqHSb/aZECdQJtO WL4wL/JV6VaJi+yi4rPt9Gk5VzSFtIoy7GeXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G4/BKdnHRRrNyE0sQX09q1pmZZh3G8TN/BaLLNAzOkH5ASid1+tUYw4M/7x+5c/Osn euGFqgU8PaV2xAE4s57jk6ZdtXofpGa+BSk78M6tzpK0DsaigAT7riId17qrr8s8NqUT YiwWKfLaZDPEvcTDTCCXqArFhVbv5VOPDsHLs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <101191640908030927pb0ea914mf8576e4bd49a52b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640908030507i5bee0247y9b4a96a6bbf54f27@mail.gmail.com> <101191640908030608n1b4a2dadv78b9fe08a4e8ba36@mail.gmail.com> <101191640908030927pb0ea914mf8576e4bd49a52b4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcus Staniec Subject: Re: Semi-OT: playlist.com - embeddable mp3 jukebox + Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:40:03 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <-Z6ZDB.A.3CG.IRxdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:46:00 +0000 (UTC) I found radio.zanorg.com to be a great free radio / playlist for my homepage. Very curious as to way it's not more popular. Check it out! You can see it in action on my band's page: goodluckboys.com Marcus On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:27 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > bummer - i got kind of a non-answer from them, essentially, "yep, we > know it's a problem. we're trying to get more permissions" > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Warren > Sirota wrote: >> ouch!!! i'll have to get in touch with them and see what the story is >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Simeon >> Harris wrote: >>> well i had a look and both players showed this message - "due to >>> licensing >>> restrictions, some or all tracks may be unavailable for playback >>> in your >>> country" - and i couldn't play anything! i'm in the UK, btw... >>> >>> sim >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Sirota >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> And I'm just writing this (of course) to get you to go over to >>>> http://www.warrensirota.com and leave the player on in the >>>> background >>>> for a half hour or so while you do your thing. :-) Nothing brand- >>>> new >>>> there, but a nice collection of some of my favorites. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Warren >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 >> http://www.warrensirota.com >> > > > > -- > Warren > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 > http://www.warrensirota.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 17:05:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D1663BEC2; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:05:47 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_35646727-b41b-40d2-87b3-6139629db763_" X-Originating-IP: [70.134.74.202] From: Denis Aldrich To: Subject: RC 50 tempo change Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:00:45 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20090803162707.B00C93BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20090803162707.B00C93BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2009 17:00:46.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1AB8650:01CA145B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:05:48 +0000 (UTC) --_35646727-b41b-40d2-87b3-6139629db763_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really enjoy this unit and am trying to make use of the tempo change in p= ositive ways. Working to get percussive slower beats sped up to interesti= ng ska type rhythms and slowing beats down to get a more mechanical backgro= und then re-sampling. I don't do any sustained notes for tempo change. Any= body making headway in this area? It has been trial and error for me so far= . =20 =20 I've been getting a nice resonating airy sound from tuning down one neck on= my double neck. _________________________________________________________________ Get free photo software from Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/online/photos?ocid=3DPID23393::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:e= n-US:SI_PH_software:082009= --_35646727-b41b-40d2-87b3-6139629db763_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really enjoy this unit and am trying to make use of the tempo change in p= ositive ways. =3B =3B Working to get percussive slower beats sped u= p to interesting ska type rhythms and slowing beats down to get a more mech= anical background then re-sampling. 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Get free photo software from Win= dows Live Click here= . = --_35646727-b41b-40d2-87b3-6139629db763_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 17:25:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7728A3BEC0; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:25:45 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:19:03 +0200 From: "Omid Shirazi" Message-ID: <20090803171903.316510@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hi from Omid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #47263965 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187AbA60hw79SqaID9joK9jI1YmSHYVP4Lo43G45h IlvSMM/oN2pqZEgIjJFm2D28deB37JubjSrw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: aGkeee41eWUkQq9WuG1nGoUjL0tsZo1V X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: <3zs_cB.A.NKH.Z2xdKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, I have jutst moved from my old email-adress to here. Loop on, Omid -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 17:40:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67AA63BE92; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=Op24VgISHpHznRF71BddLdEYqx3WUflKiGJwjFiqo1o=; b=kgt8iBZLZf8vzPRHMwERMlgecpZyK82zk/r2yPGg3UcprH4oufRIWpnRJnh2jEq6Xm UypIGhWDJQd/WlIPjONTm3p5jLrg3R/A+KpvUl9zDJlElFE6hL5tv4WIrXMJNymU9Sdu By2rs8SWtfipz5pmPRE59HUpDGNhpP8FXBYjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=Agb+vA5IDwxL889JBGE9/DlYVh9u7A4DBSplwcyCyUhv9/j4xqeZGaoxRwFVA+U29C FUn7z/n5b7jtQOHwuwuLEJLzJqOlEiWw7K5DwXLwADd1DZVfuFGAwrTNpfoIvLNA8Ikr ymtoHKfrAmFzS/T+5dD0g3vzA/nbwZWhvZE9o= Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List In-Reply-To: <77BA08E76A8941A2A1419D608328AD2B@williamsteed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: linsey pollak instruments and loop projects Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:40:00 -0300 References: <66f9cc1e0908021440x5af43f7pe2a6730dc036e8be@mail.gmail.com> <4B9EB48112A3499BB78A94215D9E7E19@williamsteed> <0BA36745-9041-4519-A169-F93175A12F2F@gmail.com> <77BA08E76A8941A2A1419D608328AD2B@williamsteed> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:40:26 +0000 (UTC) he does not show it on youtube, but a lot of other fun ideas the more serious instrument constructions are on his site http://www.linseypollak.com/instruments.html where you also find his livelooping projects and workshops... to wind up a wind instrument and reduce its output to put a pickup =20 instead is so advanced that he is not even copied... On 3 Aug 2009, at 11:52, William Walker wrote: > Do you have a video clip of the glass clarinet? Curly????? > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matilists@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:05 AM > To: billwalker@baymoon.com > Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy > > Bill, > > you are talking about Tunji Beier > http://www.tunji.org/percussionist.html > who also plays with Linsey Pollak who is Australian, while Tunji only > lives there and speaks perfect German... > > I equally loved Loibners concert in Z=FCrich and Linseys here in =20 > Salvador > and I fully agree with your point about old instruments > but I am at least as fascinated if someone invents totally new > instruments like Linsey (not so much talking about his recycling funny > instruments, but the his glass creations like the bass clarinet Curly) > > On 2 Aug 2009, at 21:19, William Walker wrote: > >> Yes he was amazing as was his Australian percussionist with his >> aboriginal >> singing stones, I think that=92s what he called them. That clip that >> Rick >> posted made me think of a cross between and erhu and a hurdy gurdy, >> and >> brought back memories of the Zurich performance as well. I love it >> when >> musicians take really old instruments and do something fresh and >> adventurous >> with them as Loibner and his partner did. >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:40 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: looping hurdy gurdy >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Gareth >> Whittock wrote: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZKQf-JIvRU >> >> >> Great clip! Mattihas Loibner did a great set at the looping festival >> in Z=FCrich 2005. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 17:45:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D213F3BEA2; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1249321524; l=3935; s=domk; d=christojota.de; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:X-RZG-CLASS-ID: X-RZG-AUTH; bh=dTKeTg0bsgFYvrabzEh94mE+q1g=; b=FHbjpDev9hicFVwKpsycUIm6mbx5uy1A4Q0W6Oz8+kmop5A48EHvqBOC3uyoG7D5dkY P/2YhFHo8aP0amMwrcDtUWlgdFO1U2Y5ZBqmRvH8TxpNHvNSKpxDNDT66Ti3xQFwgPUZV 0q59yjyNhNKKsBZN04cdf6/jl6OJEL1gQzI= X-RZG-AUTH: :L2QWfFOIePcNBmV0yywuLUHS8OM2DDVxTuoYQATZ0ef73CyxOAEvvmUV478ZiA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Message-ID: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> From: "Christo Jota" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Sonuus Guitar to Midi Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:48:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA1473.6A3C4610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:45:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA1473.6A3C4610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable About 10 days ago I got a Sonuus G2M - Guitar to midi converter = (monophonic). My impressions after checking it out are: The fast, accurate not tracking which is advertised in the manual is not possible. I mainly use it for soft snyth-sounds . Not for fast playing = notes. Just to give my guitar playing a smooth backing sound. Like a melotron = etc. But even with that you have to concentrate a lot on playing very = accurate. Otherwise you hear wrong notes very soon.=20 This was the same when I still used the Roland GR 33 guitar synthesizer with an external Midi pick up. Those permanent wrong notes inbetween drove me crazy and made me selling the gear. It kept me from having fun = playing guitar. I also checked the pitch-bend advise from the manual, but it didn=B4t = help: " to ensure that the midi sounds are correctly in tune with the guitar, you have to ensure the Midi patch is set to a = pitch-bend range of + - 2 semitones."=20 Maybe it=B4s ok with playing short notes but if using synth pads with a = quite long release, those spheric sounds, it sounds awful with the wrong notes... What are your experiences with the Sonuus?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA1473.6A3C4610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
About 10 days ago I got a Sonuus G2M - = Guitar to=20 midi converter (monophonic).
My impressions after checking it out=20 are:
The fast, accurate not tracking which = is advertised=20 in the manual is not
possible. I mainly use it for soft = snyth-sounds .=20 Not for fast playing notes.
Just to give my guitar playing a smooth = backing=20 sound. Like a melotron etc.
But even with that you have to = concentrate a lot on=20 playing very accurate.
Otherwise you hear wrong notes very = soon.=20
This was the same when I still used the = Roland GR=20 33 guitar synthesizer
with an external Midi pick up. Those = permanent=20 wrong notes inbetween
drove me crazy and made me selling the = gear. It=20 kept me from having fun playing guitar.
 
I also checked the pitch-bend advise = from the=20 manual, but it didn=B4t help:
" to ensure that the midi sounds = are correctly=20 in tune
with the guitar, you have to ensure the = Midi patch=20 is set to a pitch-bend
range of + - 2 semitones." =
Maybe it=B4s ok with playing short = notes but if using=20 synth pads with a quite long
release, those spheric sounds, it = sounds awful with=20 the wrong notes...
What are your experiences with the = Sonuus?=20
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CA1473.6A3C4610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 18:04:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE07E3BEB2; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IGA3YlUflmqfD5s2jhdfbwPPE82HDi34vW3+V23sgRg=; b=XzLTPDgGBzN5sWt/Vll1iYLaIxRLyOuZJYZuhl3DGTUwpvk5w3FmOiyDk0tcraleFX bLO6+YmPZTiBEdaN69JRh0C+CsuOgyrMTJc66XmuJ5dqNxQrduwdkRpchhIXpch+wgQR x4F6Znsfn0fAdo56pu2zrVQxMe+3I4l59NENc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rTmh082Pl6t4Qb8i8+ih2uvmpDg+ObcmHpMdRlN87VxS+j/GNj5UsTigQ6t16QSyLu uDd0C6QsZ/Po4t2gDocXFWuGa3XCNY5tId/lfX4LNfWiEmJGm/s/RyJi4WZxkUDzyoH3 IYnFyfsKINK4XVlqYsZrn7MaG+d4zkgtfYe4E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:04:47 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:04:51 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Christo Jota wrote: > Maybe it=C2=B4s ok with playing short notes but if using synth pads with = a quite > long > release, those spheric sounds, it sounds awful with the wrong notes... I played guitar with MIDI synth modules in a band and used the trick to set each string to a unique MIDI channel and set the synth to monophonic playback on each channel. This means every new note I play on a string will mute whatever other note might have been triggered from that string. It becomes easy to correct just one string in a chord if you should get a "wrong note". And I also disabled pitch bend on my synth patches. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 18:47:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E67C3BEB2; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tYCoMq8SvqtAmx4AA3G/WjgCsW530njFwkdefubz6LM=; b=HZf3SEEyXFEyQede2VdGz+aIT+w9yAoUuutIs3gEujr6PS2A1JCC3nGUu0U2wgt/Rw Pzy8p0ss+7yJ8RJxUSzLKcxI5y1qAchq4t4gURPcHRtc8pr4299IB6T8bdMJ+7n1wH6a rjAo/fl3IMSvHsYYNvglGfI0/sxjsMz4FS5w4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=d0yP4m3Jf/btxH4Rua3RDSOai47HdHPeKD+tJ89f70whxATE4V5h+HbpTOaolTDseW MiRMVuJWuU9QZ/AajktDJi1O+1OW42gL8hgXdQN+og1vsoR4ajYqDQ6dha4Fq4BPk0sk 826aC8GcE4HyX+1BY7746YfnqDHBvX4zJcWG0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:47:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Of all the guitar synth experiences I've ever had, the only one I still use and enjoy is using Line6's POD Farm and it's synth models. Everything else just makes me feel like the MIDI guitar is playing me. For triggering everything else I find an actual midi keyboard to be worlds better. Almost as if it were designed for it from the start. ;) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Christo Jota wrote: >> Maybe it=B4s ok with playing short notes but if using synth pads with a = quite >> long >> release, those spheric sounds, it sounds awful with the wrong notes... > > > I played guitar with MIDI synth modules in a band and used the trick > to set each string to a unique MIDI channel and set the synth to > monophonic playback on each channel. This means every new note I play > on a string will mute whatever other note might have been triggered > from that string. It becomes easy to correct just one string in a > chord if you should get a "wrong note". And I also disabled pitch bend > on my synth patches. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 19:42:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE003BE93; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1249328526; bh=0TpC0o4JMzDoOojyxNObfgZlZc1c5xlMsm1hrY2KqHY=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To; b=PxUdzSe00yxpXWZYRncOXJrIXYfsLD002VHV1Xlf0RtFcs89CM69aDZGiMikJj9wW rzvERAx2JiQqgqLYde9wJtEdaNH7Pj51nZ18NnkovMiPnpsh/4KQmpa2hbb6HpEPky cTsk1z0nSsz3DHWiEtcrZmTMB1h1t1UVZ/2slp2Y= From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: Boss looper contest in Germany Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:41:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000001ca1472$739b5f30$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcoUWASUiGMbp8wUTdSAAyNTqJXXkgAGaz0g In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0908030932n37d3613et59227713b8cf0318@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC) > (For those who are interested: I just received a statement > from the event mgt today and yes, a DD20 is "a boss looper" > in the context of the eligibility criteria for the contest). I think everyone having the time should join the contest. Serious, I think it's a unique opportunity to do your thing in a different enviroment, promote your own stuff and the philosophy of the live looping community. Do something possitive with it :) --- Sjaak http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ http://euroloopfest.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 20:39:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51E443BE91; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/jiF8YGESvLlUWk8W9OT/JRKwWbx5z0IHYKabOQY/8I=; b=vxrym4kS1NWUJQ2ASD3QUcByIKPWoWNKM5zAFD/2PNylkSriU9q9hWmhv0zOFtluIH wqAKQz8dR+x/FwBjImHRqnQwKexfUi4n+ag3GfUBSS2xatxKWcb8F6aOixZA6r84zMiF 8nferM0nhHnrTTmEE8kFXRTDjrvJ0BmlJM3wI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HA7jDgLOAd/j8Km4aBhGwLhljLV9Fedk/REOMSHxDtB8G5eoTqeiOw8g0wnLYtBUmt D+a62JMJaIHZEKIIRdOkx/kMvakQF1nPUsQ0l4we67C50ncErKJsRYE5fKaZNs2o0ZG+ 2BrPkuIeEwq+maDZy29TtHobKHZzGdYap1sF8= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:39:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1318f21d0908031339g2868600as46958b2665b2e389@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: George Ludwig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6434bb698f8b6047042c3fb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:39:19 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6434bb698f8b6047042c3fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roland GR-300. /thread :) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Mark Sottilaro wro= te: > Of all the guitar synth experiences I've ever had, the only one I > still use and enjoy is using Line6's POD Farm and it's synth models. > Everything else just makes me feel like the MIDI guitar is playing me. > For triggering everything else I find an actual midi keyboard to be > worlds better. Almost as if it were designed for it from the start. > ;) > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Christo Jota > wrote: > >> Maybe it=B4s ok with playing short notes but if using synth pads with = a > quite > >> long > >> release, those spheric sounds, it sounds awful with the wrong notes... > > > > > > I played guitar with MIDI synth modules in a band and used the trick > > to set each string to a unique MIDI channel and set the synth to > > monophonic playback on each channel. This means every new note I play > > on a string will mute whatever other note might have been triggered > > from that string. It becomes easy to correct just one string in a > > chord if you should get a "wrong note". And I also disabled pitch bend > > on my synth patches. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se > > www.perboysen.com > > > > > > --=20 -George http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic --0016e6434bb698f8b6047042c3fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roland GR-300. /thread
=A0
:)

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Mark Sottilaro = <zerocrossin= g@gmail.com> wrote:
Of all the guitar synth experien= ces I've ever had, the only one I
still use and enjoy is using Line6= 's POD Farm and it's synth models.
Everything else just makes me feel like the MIDI guitar is playing me.
F= or triggering everything else I find an actual midi keyboard to be
world= s better. =A0Almost as if it were designed for it from the start.
;)

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Per Boysen<perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>= On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Christo Jota<chris@christojota.de> wrote:
>> Maybe it=B4s ok with playing short notes but if using synth pads w= ith a quite
>> long
>> release, those spheric sounds, it = sounds awful with the wrong notes...
>
>
> I played guita= r with MIDI synth modules in a band and used the trick
> to set each string to a unique MIDI channel and set the synth to
&g= t; monophonic playback on each channel. This means every new note I play> on a string will mute whatever other note might have been triggered > from that string. It becomes easy to correct just one string in a
&= gt; chord if you should get a "wrong note". And I also disabled p= itch bend
> on my synth patches.
>
> Greetings from Swede= n
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>




--
-George

http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic
--0016e6434bb698f8b6047042c3fb-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 20:39:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EAEE3BE95; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 482 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:39:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TSqTJQxKbGU0AIqqUCpAlm04zW9Z620E9Qwji9A/FKU=; b=m4a8cZFVswKqRRvIbXMW1ctJNDXLkRzhmAgJfzas5+9uyQRWG7CCuBkFoTPCQ0qZzy LXeqZymyHmSOxkd6Oj5j7327QqRywM9Ve3kUFN9UxcK2AoM98rRyIEmKVfduhWDjyv4h HL63hRCUFjfpKoOSJ3gtN0SVL/EplXcBOMWXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=SchU7632KVKXLvb0DI7sJdijhGNmrzZJfmXF06fcoz7Zvmyj4k5Z2jq59909bU7waz p1FtfOSj75Fw8pbs0Dg79YBDosqQk4kMbIgOusoYHdYnjbGitxQLljRZRpsHL31t1JHJ w0nBDGrsMwMOfaJWk/+o7GBQcG39T0eyI/UrE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:31:51 +0300 Message-ID: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Milo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:39:56 +0000 (UTC) A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 20:53:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 646F63BE90; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BDmf81sAbMWZKaH8/WseLL26T17l/nNlfFuARELhL3c=; b=BLsR23m1fmGewsYhJtqs/aowgWEyGTG0rKowxiNbiuLPL1IxSPJKsXmJCQqHs2J9B1 ZvM61RGDkwOw4K55Lk3I6krtBaO/ojpyPH8yA7M0gCyTEV4VQtVKh4fP0YwP+TR4AmCj 5tVS8/ZKxvqkXFIKZT1HpsTYaw2sCusu51Rbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jMfXbinxXSsTPjYd/z/64jt7kP/TI4s0tklsOPzgEQZLX84Gv+4RSijceuJ86U0qPP ivnJM6NOxDP0xCKn7F9whTbvpQYqJW+kBNOiw/3gm8hNb8cNQDZgJGSBpVYu/yFBxoT9 rj+D/GbTzVJnDj3YAoFQMNlA4EFZ95BeTJBpA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <92E6NC.A.KDG.140dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Heh, I totally misread this. "I use my looper when I want to hear a bit of audio over and over again. Is there any other case where you'd want to use a looper?" On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Milo wrote: > A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: > > What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 21:22:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 426503BE90; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uF0xmpJjeMOhgyfBfztiOVvZNmlDU1JwCHZmulzk8DI=; b=LHlbkV+/8zGkuE0KlGCFklCari6cCFgt/wpcAdxgZ8SLNvHKVHAAPDzLY231PebaTK KO1FZxWmzhjiPvAcS+mpJw89YrlLU39l1mUhQxlvljcSlcHUriSilYQ9gUZuA4Thhxdt XGv7j4GR+W5TQpkLNz/q39GabN0aaBBMlVSNA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TbwYTCDoZLSWcOXjrR/bJKJfc3BuewArTCNBBk+xGbKFlEisotT/rlk/IVFbZ6u8bw avTMhAAnwROkJNL7bNvb9dy8PcH6hBVbGYjflohYnYtH/AqkILkZ+8EApnwrz1ORJq3d 1tdoyfoFK6QzFGeTrC9JwqSE0OSibBjTSEGbg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:22:34 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908031422l58bd78e3o7042653cdd6cc7d9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:22:35 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Milo wrote: > A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: > > What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? Peli. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 21:25:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D2D3BEA4; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G0utKfQF80WHtRj78NydR1kF4VP2yUz9E1mQgCMhrFI=; b=QE/xgtZJnCVxZRH3kDPP8BGdV6gldBpTFnbBUqby3uJMGp9QvzKIDx1BCpvQlt7dOV HY+NKnim8Qm51NxzHNy7ofXccCITd4UjHnFJfO/hc7WdY1HmCK2ZknjfM6d2o3XRmW+C BolGxiBK5JYmmUFoLyR3oqkWflcsrJ2GxFHhA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SgQyPsOvVP640yHVN63mTXHdLsCS4W/uBLVPWQ5RBFRwk0A38kHoja+4L0yG/8iPLd bdRtBCZWjSsjf4eCM233ZrJMPEEMtNPb0ftvxoks6pjVNZ+aHExnDtH10wCJH1UnnDFy 4AaNRC8jUHKpAim9TmnLiworTJEVns2vlUgUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1318f21d0908031339g2868600as46958b2665b2e389@mail.gmail.com> References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> <1318f21d0908031339g2868600as46958b2665b2e389@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908031425q32497db7y462a6b30e0611004@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > Roland GR-300 Those are nice, but not MIDI. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 21:31:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B952A3BE8D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249335070; bh=RsYkigvE3HJOYpIYaIDjymXaIbEWiWB/um8IAclZkto=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H9sxh1tRufFeF9WxyjgxZtYD35aqL/L4mSBhIo2UoRe4PWFlG1XSDtcF9idcCwiBDrFMCNj093z+hiraJveoyhE0ETl1HbHPrUf4G6opIdjm/byIlHLOkisTfcN9EUJc/+DzhUgpUHvLQE98Qk89t6fBMA1WUS9/ea6z/b19FJI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bw6Miv+HB7oWlvNkxP52lGx06QsgQWGFoXG2l3+DH5UMQMwFxn96al9SCj2EW+WlkMfWtS+V3206OXz159tiU5y4B2TLsMtjtyMlczX0zRnYcAxraymJJXZvGeeOyoaS+xb8FYtZnAa0mXyUVeJ1aUtGiRIu6s3FP3Sbir+oZw8=; Message-ID: <903700.11718.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JjumrrkVM1lb_rUjC_kRNta3LFF9IgtQONm8iPd9vhGujaR6DaYM.S0K5FgoyanDzf6HJF4xmtQtEn_yY3eenDBbo_Cb0gJnY2DnrFBuk8c2Ojr.6lYkYRgAgTjNiYu910Mid_tBr3Xc_Z5XZ_0_NL1qdu0YGdDXkZ6rLEirRREislbAJJnrU4WSPC1161_AGzDUlcIjztYAWvmj.kfEwiRLGKiuTHMnU6FnkQWPhRZwKxVgHdIiV1_IA7yluI1w4mGHBMeBDh1JbrXgIxNMKMCa0jQk_4162.MdyLtyRhhN3q.4aXHjgbaz5nB31.VB_HqL12yIu9A5X5qcR5cmHDb.cgT8hRYFLi9H.D3P46V_ X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:31:10 -0700 (PDT) From: AKIM TRIEBSCH Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0908030932n37d3613et59227713b8cf0318@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer,=0AThe thing is, is that I like having the hardware as opposed to= using a laptop. If I am going to upgrade it will be with an echoplex or a= looperlative. However, I will check out MOBIUS (is it MAC compatible?) si= nce it is free...thanks....=0A=0ASell my RC-50! No way! However, that doe= s not mean I am not open to setting up new ways of doing things if it actua= lly enhances the work...=0A=0AEnter the contest: possibly.=0A=0AAkim=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Rainer Straschill wrote:=0A=0A> From: Rainer Straschill =0A> Subj= ect: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany=0A> To: loopers-delight@loopers-del= ight.com=0A> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 9:32 AM=0A> Akim said:=0A> > As = far as I can tell there isn't too much of a general=0A> difference between = most loopers...=0A> =0A> This is where you're obviously wrong, and this may= also be=0A> why people=0A> who absolutely need e.g. unrounded multiply or = loop=0A> windowing for what=0A> they do appear elitist, arrogant or whateve= r to you.=0A> =0A> And don't give me that "I can't afford something=0A> els= e"...sell your=0A> RC50 and use Mobius instead (free software). ;)=0A> =0A>= Apart from that - I'm curious: are you planning on taking=0A> part in the= =0A> contest? Is anyone else here?=0A> =0A> (For those who are interested: = I just received a statement=0A> from the=0A> event mgt today and yes, a DD2= 0 is "a boss looper" in the=0A> context of=0A> the eligibility criteria for= the contest).=0A> =0A> Yours,=0A> =0A> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rainer= =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 21:59:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16CD73BE8F; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZUApmRZy4QnAQWWT4hd+CnCh0SLGwi7bLb42d//Ndm4=; b=o5c38RhKQt3M5gv7DDyC0aG2aUYGCDzxYLfTDNlUdcL/srRb9uS6P4kdzUghHLPY0n O/9o7l/iFFrk1OJfnobZvlgAv0XR9EeMU0uIsQtySpt7Vpos16EktC7rtqk18FpvOMBg bsv2ujuVyekDBh8XE8m8vZPYrZSO7W/TNaw1k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KdSPam0DHh8UsGMHcOCi/ERDRtyOnS8Sm7NNvnQNciwDGiiHXJVk5Ea7u5Wp4BfdWA reyBbyqho3FTuVTowUMqO0iOsrU5mReOVtULbMl8Tt4n9NhxjpIlVafK7OXB2Q0WrsHx cWZJU81NwnJHgdZ+sj+u6HFg1GgQXNjRo6ULU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908031422l58bd78e3o7042653cdd6cc7d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0908031422l58bd78e3o7042653cdd6cc7d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:59:19 -0500 Message-ID: <2871c3a90908031459xfa462dw7bf43272e50f1591@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:59:19 +0000 (UTC) I'm really happy with 3u gator bag. Sylvain On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Milo wrote: >> A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: >> >> What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? > > Peli. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 22:35:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9BD3BE92; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wYxT+jA5m8Idi4d/Cif0/f5TvM5hp3UIOE0Vq3E4B/A=; b=mCnI0mHBFsTF/I+DoqnrqzItOT5GSnoTNTANEHQsIxyOaZsVr8XYs4nUdEBC4Y7fNA 5WR8wQmbP5pJRNZN6ZhNgK1BvKP+wYnRchR+f14K9mk32mzHQQXwYy/xV/7AttOir6p+ 9UdJbqCFAY8sqv8OQzAfHK0nNUl3MzxfmX/rY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GYQkKOhdj9L0MGB8MQHv/QqGf/dfuNrFQZQz896rEVlWetHgZRF4STsANVUcuP5yG7 WmGO74b7Dren2fykZvVDdaCH/3dUD/t3NsEAM6uWgw/uBWRfusInsDg7Kb173kWccem0 qu+7FFSZz1SakY3R4i0sPH0h8E8qJl+Il5MDU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:35:46 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9gvXh.A.rEC.DZ2dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:35:47 +0000 (UTC) > A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: > > What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200903/msg01038.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:13:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E230E3BE8D; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:13:05 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249340783; bh=HfwAk8E3NobdwSKMW5GgMABk8rlhDoxiEVyf+XYpZXU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fakT+vQeV//1RIYBB9vF9FXmnp/dZpdMdUSS3y/j4P3S6ZKcQsPcwgr0UjERMfGbEcStgqIxzSQehrtx3q6cyYloCcJ5+M2X8sJksj1QHzMSFqpgtHfc3jNxVklGWmcnVzrC//aEgOID0+PzVPnn1KjorZxgXmk1mkuCUdnCvXY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pC7c1MnhXkiWGJlcVeKE86vhrVMdm7u4tjSGi7OjZcg37FCyRXaaK+BK/ef9pVq9lF5YIpaSVlDcaFlv7AZPqhvmzV95YwEifY6PVA7k+wXlumEpYi/ypBqB7MP3DnOiBVMeEziQBczgC7E7q4oGDPN5LTfyr9GL9ZPHA/gi348=; Message-ID: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TR9i0hsVM1lv8W6sh3zf3vtDHY2xjQt9FXq7nKnhKvDwbmfZ79Zulp22ky0g2L6hw9K3aUKOkZjtW83Vda7tm_mc3mTd.twIXJ5dY7K2MUq6nvbBqlBvaHz7Ecqqkt4KE3eDMtrFGWxbvZyRS2jyxP1naVYqY0zEcbiKwE76Q5QwUp4MWxu5JMqtHTaYPLUUgF5N0rwlXOHNbjFTmFu3.f.0e3md9f59oTJX5zJNqaPhdY4m2F_jP_VXrolXKaXkWAPr5rtMveggRpEyt3bGa03LCIWd7mfznPIoBP.GKwnkzMtyBadMlBI_MrMDqC26qkdGa5M5vFgIS1VbmUh1v7L23nwRSlY.UflkCKNWJL.a8T__zTXyll3pZnGTAuw- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:06:22 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: anti-looper bigots To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1976721518-1249340782=:23820" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:13:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1976721518-1249340782=:23820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i just got trashe= d by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my looping....evidently beca= use i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" player.....I'd like to hear your = experiences with this kind of bigot Kyle=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --0-1976721518-1249340782=:23820 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 OK... My Looping friends......tell me s= ome story's.....i just got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig becaus= e of my looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" = player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of bigot
Kyle

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--0-1976721518-1249340782=:23820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:24:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AE23BE92; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=tLL6YTz0NjAxnjFyGpBmSUnjbSRUXR+M7A1cRPPMaqQ++iVsnC9QoEtbWmc67ym0TIcPfKvn/4l7q8NHgotRxjXHEQ9b0JG1/dUysOLr0Z3omLFOi4LIAUcRMBaDSxeogZRizLdBGQNggELoMrmVq7zjKXce69Yk6swZ+01iU1A= ; X-Yahoo-SMTP: SUb5O_CswBDpfyUqFjqFvqFWU9Xn0YefOlG9DEhOmHeP_zXkAU4NCNYpZwk- X-YMail-OSG: G8ccEdsVM1kDRUuBRUL8Ygd2tH.FM270diJGhii1pi6nPaoadmgHYiMTDP552zN6gKPJfBfyEHlccoFD8B.8RhGDwSJ8YoCrTfIa3G.jdRYiyTV6W_YMXn3FnsMDx4loE4_aChDum15bMJURlc1FQJGbXP3xDihxo1J_nxyP5CdgRTxgn8NOYLZ36_RvQlQAFfqA7wFrE8ojP8h591_gb0FUgP_jrdHpqF1Uztqjn5Hbpot5ealSClKZXUWgrQmudAFKfwGCEq75NNNpt4Um57WcE3KAe7wFBhvhY7CLzK8BH2GOoG.yqbXDlpHPf5Ca1UYN29YWOg0ZTJtpsZ178IVRRvkUWA0lT4s- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <2BF8E1E341D048FABA076DD6A28ECF24@a> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:24:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0212_01CA1499.FEB38490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <8Oqj9C.A.jCE.BH3dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:24:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CA1499.FEB38490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They generally have no electricity in their homes, and do no wash. It's = just ignorance. You get it with every trade man. Smile. Life's too short = to let the bastards grind you down. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: K D Patten=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: anti-looper bigots OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i just = got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my = looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" = player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of bigot Kyle=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: = 08/03/09 05:57:00 ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CA1499.FEB38490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
They generally have no electricity in = their homes,=20 and do no wash. It's just ignorance. You get it with every trade man. = Smile.=20 Life's too short to let the bastards grind you down.
 
Ricky
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0212_01CA1499.FEB38490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:25:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18FA93BE92; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=K9r8Gx8QQMIQKxDx7DF8BUElAUBUEl4qnmZvfgYg14Q=; b=VC7+VTjUPNGEK8f3wBmkd1QQvnl/Yyb5Y7F0AmElDXwdKKfTqaXdMRCl1R49aqt4mc S7/h2ElFvUMwT/qqRlvhJqSWIwKKZWcE0g1LvxorggPP4pUk55suilZGf0/hknbwO300 VPAHNxf4W5t/BCjvjZ5lHiOFixH5NbjG3eRn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AX5xQ7m/xqF8IJyeQEyj40P1L8akkUoe8cRkxxPdHhBG8UO/nLhvwwXoD/R65gO3M/ FvFIyNyqiugjSx4MyRKBYLxHLxa/KkS1M9kaDjJqA/k1rVwXBGEj75rI308LUuXtkEoI nCxBeDs42t/qkQo5mCbUza5DIA+YuCw4XJ9qs= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Oh man, I used to get crap all the time. I have to admit I'd kind of invite it though, but creating some crazy complex loop and then putting down my guitar and walking away to sit in the audience for a bit. Someone would always say, "Wait, you're not playing that?!" and I'd reply, "well not any more I'm not." Tons of times I get people coming right up to me and starting conversations because they think I'd DJing it or something. This is even pre laptop. Usually nerdy guys who want to talk about what gear I'm using. Not quite looping (though he used a looper) my friend Gary used to feed samples from a laptop into a JamMan. During a performance at a sculpture space a woman came up to him and mid performance loudly said, "Oh is this all prerecorded?!" He politely tried to respond, but I think I yelled back at her and made her go away. She called me rude, but I invited her to consider what's ruder, being chased away from performers or pestering performers during a performance. Funny. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:06 PM, K D Patten wrote: > =A0OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i just got tras= hed > by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my looping....evidently beca= use > i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" player.....I'd like to hear your > experiences with this kind of bigot > > Kyle > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:27:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 118263BE93; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 315 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:27:19 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 755255.81109.bm@omp203.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249341723; bh=yirsjEOvPv8Ah0IeRwk9mkkwTc0WuW5Cnc1qxhasH0E=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0q1SS3HhyyK30U8qt/5T7hBjG0cQe0Fm24zmahgW2uXS6XXHSwT5uvyFsz9uXZmJtIhPjTtlDZkh+gMRtkv0Rg63/42xYW53icd8VL6mar8Fpl0qEJZo4ItoFQxHgLsUKATN1gulidsG8sB1oxnSzCEcbtI2tQcjwhTL32igg9A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LZwW1zhq9uThO7yVQq1NtOs4qg2dV8vBUwKBKeJvFfcRuisBNxuB2XIy/R6MnbQaCiV+QR9eOMBn/xSdouazGzMxJl1YNtSmVdj1o/FRfaHobEAGGP6h5AxzfJtnJN43DgZYywSAiR4tAcuYa2+nssRYEzizVnHXzzhVD8YDt4Q=; Message-ID: <520925.20129.qm@web45307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TguiNeoVM1mfVNiOws_dyL_U7rJoxn6fbPmNPEJFDqOaydvh4h77bHhzdPY6vvKoE4rC3VdJX4TN4KkTXpJ5X30AnVGxa9i1gCUrxEk.BfyDloqCCEhyAyiIJsdEKl2Nuakz8S6FxW3PMNXPls0E9w3w8wHzR2WMpm5vLFPg8rOWSwA0eT3L05otqvnI6V_eoojiyTQq0O2BijzFKCvHW0_Hmf2UxW39yp3J9LYG5v5QbWgyW4YHb555G_RMe0ZoMGC7usHalsmpvRFy.PCpEjREi1wDMZi04ba1qxWhxNBawl9JpJD84FvlnENb19ZaKPzUEDT77TI4e1lB4cZ2X37lnJV1fR.yJ7O13JrauXOGXA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, they usually hang out with the "Modal tuning is CHEATING" crowd...=0A= =0A-t-=0A=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes=0Ahttp://cdbaby.com/all/timn= elson=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/speleman62=0A=0A=0A--- On Mon, 8/3/09, K D P= atten wrote:=0A=0A=0A> =A0OK... My Looping=0A> friends= .......tell me some story's.....i just got trashed=0A> by some acoustic puri= sts at a gig because of my=0A> looping....evidently because i loop it disqu= alifies me as a=0A> "real" player.....I'd like to hear your=0A> experiences= with this kind of bigot=0A=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:31:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C72123BEAE; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:31:11 UTC Message-Id: <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-451731702 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:24:31 -0600 References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:31:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-451731702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What I tell people is that it's apples to oranges. Using looping is simply another form of performance. It's about making art and or entertainment, and sometimes, it's just.....God forbid (facetiously said)...fun. "Acoustic" purists are some of the worst.....Hey, I like playing shows just plugged in and unadorned as well, though of course with these purists, it's not legit unless you just stand in front of an SM 57. It's just an entirely different mind set for me in a number of ways. I've actually heard some people say I was "cheating" as if there are rules for music like in a basketball game or something. My two cents.... John Floridis www.johnfloridis.com --Apple-Mail-3-451731702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I tell people is that it's = apples to oranges.  Using looping is simply another form of = performance.  It's about making art and or entertainment, and = sometimes, it's just.....God forbid (facetiously said)...fun. =  

"Acoustic" purists are some of the = worst.....Hey, I like playing shows just plugged in and unadorned as = well,  though of course with these purists, it's not legit unless = you just stand in front of an SM 57.  It's just an entirely = different mind set for me in a number of = ways.

I've actually heard some people say I was = "cheating" as if there are rules for music like in a basketball game or = something.

My two = cents....



= --Apple-Mail-3-451731702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 3 23:57:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFEB13BEC0; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1007 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:57:28 UTC Message-Id: From: Zoe Keating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-452696953 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:40:36 -0700 References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Server-Quench: 0c91ef2d-8087-11de-a90b-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVZfTsLCBpo UEhAUlJSHgFoCx8J SBwaTBhxdxtCcGB0 YFlgW3JeQ0Q0K0F+ PBsFSTMGYWJobmVR U0dRdE1UIwpLK0lH Pk13VHsKfGQGMi99 Fl5rNXVpZWxRcnUN HVkHIAgEe0tZVjc6 WxFHGTIoBUAfDy8y IBs6MTYx X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1849/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:57:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-452696953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bwa ha ha! i've totally heard that! Acoustic Music Series in San Diego thinks the same thing of me. i heard through the grapevine (i.e fan mail) that they won't have me back because of the looping (although their concerts are amplified and many guitarists perform there with looping pedals) my advice: IGNORE THEM. i don't even respond to that kind of thing On Aug 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, K D Patten wrote: > OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i just got > trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my > looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" > player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of bigot > > Kyle > > http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten > http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten > > > --Apple-Mail-2-452696953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bwa ha ha! i've totally heard = that!

Acoustic Music Series in San Diego thinks the = same thing of me. i heard through the grapevine (i.e fan mail) that they = won't have me back because of the looping (although their concerts are = amplified and many guitarists perform there with looping = pedals)

my advice: IGNORE THEM. i don't even = respond to that kind of = thing





On Aug 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, K D Patten = wrote:

 OK... My Looping friends......tell me some=20 story's.....i just got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig = because=20 of my looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as = a "real"=20 player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of=20 bigot

Kyle

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
http://www.myspace.com/kyl= edeanpatten         =20




= --Apple-Mail-2-452696953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 00:19:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685CE3BEAF; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20090803201933.MRKA6.2882661.root@mp11> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:19:33 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Cc: Milo In-Reply-To: <3f8d9ee60908031331l4ffeba3fgc9f5115769217af4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:19:38 +0000 (UTC) I used to use SKB shock mount racks and cases . . .but I'm traveling a litt= le lighter these days with Odyssey rack bags. They're tough and lightweight . . . and the interior surface likes Velcro .= . . which I use to secure wall-warts so they don't move around.. -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h= e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Milo wrote:=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A practical question for the loopers who travel a lot: What kind of cases do you prefer to use for your equipment & gear? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 00:34:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78BD03BEBA; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:34:55 UTC Message-id: From: Jeff Shirkey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-452336553 MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:34:36 -0500 References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 00:34:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20-452336553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "Acoustic" purists are some of the worst..... Are these the same people who tried to boo Bob Dylan off the stage roughly 40 years ago when he plugged in? Must be... Jeff --Apple-Mail-20-452336553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

"Acoustic" purists are some of the worst.....

Are these the same people who tried to boo Bob Dylan off the stage roughly 40 years ago when he plugged in? Must be...

Jeff
--Apple-Mail-20-452336553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 01:10:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCECF3BE95; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3615 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:10:18 UTC Message-id: <4A777C51.7000506@Verizon.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:09:53 -0400 From: Dan Ash User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss looper contest in Germany Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:10:18 +0000 (UTC) > > You people were funny at first but now your guffaws of snobbery and elitist technocratic behaviour are really starting to take their toll...I mean what are "we" about here....does it have anything to do with making music? I am starting to wonder...I guess it has become unfashionable among the "Technocrati" to loop with a BOSS pedal...hmmmmm I haven't been following this thread too closely, but my impression was that the amusement at the Boss looping contest was due to several aspects of their support for looping. The comments here were generally related to mocking the idea of an olympic-style competition from a community that largely has moved away from evaluating looping in terms like those used in the rampant guitar 'gunslinging' phenomenon. 'Competition' is largely an anachronism here on LD. Over the years Boss product developers have been rather unresponsive to input from the looping community regarding the design of their loopers - resulting in three designs that don't incorporate some of the most important requirements for looping anything other than accompaniment of pre-recorded loops, or for a looping paradigm that plays a static loop over and over. This is true of many/most of the mass-production looping products (Digidesign is another company that comes to mind). The Boss RC-50 is an improvement but as it turns out, a feedback control feature was only implemented using a technique developed and documented by a determined looper (from this board, I think). My point is that they produced design after design without supporting any more than the most simplistic concept of what is actually available in more sophisticated hardware or in largely free software loopers. From the top of my list is MIDI sync, saving a loop on the fly, upload of saved loops, and the aforementioned feedback control. So Boss representatives might well be judging contestants in gunslinging contest using tools supporting a limited palette -and their designs suggest a lack of some degree of expertise to boot. I think you will find the participants here are overall very generous with their expertise and focused on making music. I don't even agree that the members of LD can be counted on to disparage gear choices of those using other units than their own. Many wonderful compositions get posted here from loopers using simple delays, tape machines, and re-purposed musical toys. I think perhaps Akim read too much into a little light-hearted fun at Boss's expense. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 01:41:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81B1E3BE91; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1249350094; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=esnF15SZUpNl+VwckEuM2MQlHdg=; b=Y1cKzmeITDfw7WoB/UMKMGTOOIXa488xsOlsBQi15AHAPchEmjzJjvB8Bq5obM9B h46RVWsyZEfMJOhxCmPhnrQ9gzfcYQLaIeWmlGMSQyMuYNTYUg7+MxX5qkFTa/i7; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=6WWqPE-YwuyD_FJL7N8A:9 a=dVQWB5cswFsoEnkB47GgpXb2FCYA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=v8S6L-yvxXHkgohzCCMA:9 a=V7W9skifwC2BzyUcje4A:7 a=4ixXZWBGkhgqItruTu9aOy0AsX8A:4 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:41:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA1483.2B6CEAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:41:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA1483.2B6CEAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists when he went = electric! Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots "Acoustic" purists are some of the worst..... Are these the same people who tried to boo Bob Dylan off the stage = roughly 40 years ago when he plugged in? Must be... Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA1483.2B6CEAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't forget the beating Miles Davis = took from the=20 purists when he went electric!
 
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Shirkey
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 = 7:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: anti-looper = bigots



"Acoustic"=20 purists are some of the = worst.....

Are these the same people who tried to boo Bob Dylan off the = stage=20 roughly 40 years ago when he plugged in? Must be...

Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CA1483.2B6CEAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 01:56:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33CF03BE92; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <739EE0F4-25C9-4875-B8BE-BB3439500F21@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:56:42 -0700 References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Yep, And still takes . . . if you count the general dismissal of his music during his electric period by Ken Burns and Wynton Marsalis in Burns' "Jazz" documentary. Nothing, except maybe Weather Report got much of a mention in the series. No Metheny, no McLaughlin, no Corea, no anything tainted with electricity or the term "fusion" . . . and most unbelievably no mention of the contributions of any Europeans let alone Manfred Eicher and his wonderful, monumental label ECM. It's as though Jazz stopped from the mid '60s to sometime in the late '80s or early'90s when young gentlemen in suits started blowing horns again. There still seem to be plenty of style and technology nazis around. And there are always plenty of folks to criticize. Cheers, Ted On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists when he > went electric! > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:19:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64BD3BE90; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eucOQMpRV5dWnxD1lIsviP2gnWvzZGM8pWFGF8HW578=; b=BVDD0gs6B4DGQ4RfbwJlP7WvbxSLSbUT5zEBdSnGrswGOPTQrCdLo1GwyPBH3/AfLg grDuERO5pZLoAYBtLIk8HWXR9dwoZs/CMeuLu4mlrMS5oBrsWM1mUcQ0REAdUwigSS9l bCT2ZZp9QG8F72Avh1tn6mXClsEMqYAx0pYrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QnC4YDp00CK/7CjWMqAp2uS/cwK1ZJRaIj86SD1yD4OGvn6bweB/g7VeVjW3lDfX+s Le01nPzGV+qGVWxswOZo9LNMsWvJrjI8TX9UZsIW9P8YzKKPGhUA5b66Sc9K4U1P2efN VuokRBCKovrOC3sKJWrhCQECGFWTXW5yekxnw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908031425q32497db7y462a6b30e0611004@mail.gmail.com> References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> <1318f21d0908031339g2868600as46958b2665b2e389@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0908031425q32497db7y462a6b30e0611004@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:18:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1318f21d0908031918t1ba208dcv91b977e2b7a2cb15@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: George Ludwig To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163698969439d4650470478248 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:19:02 +0000 (UTC) --00163698969439d4650470478248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know, I know. But for sheer responsiveness, you can't beat it as long as you can deal with the limits of the sound palette. Mark Smart, who I think is on this list, came up with a design for a GR300 CV interface ( http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/gr300/analogmods/395report/Report.html) which intrigues me greatly, If I'm not mistaken, CV to midi conversion is very fast and accurate. If one had the dollars to throw at the problem, it seems like a CV interface based on the Roland pitch detector circuit of the GR300, which in turn fed a 6 channel CV to midi convertor would really be the best tracking midi guitar controller of all time! Pardon my flight of fancy. :) On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, George > Ludwig wrote: > > Roland GR-300 > > Those are nice, but not MIDI. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > -- -George http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic --00163698969439d4650470478248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know, I know. But for sheer responsiveness, you can't beat it as= long as you can deal with the limits of the sound palette.
=A0
Mark Smart, who I think is on this list, came up with a design for a G= R300 CV interface (http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/gr300/analog= mods/395report/Report.html) which intrigues me greatly, If I'm not = mistaken, CV to midi conversion is very=A0fast and accurate. If one had the= dollars to throw at the problem, it seems like a CV interface based on the= Roland pitch detector circuit of the GR300, which in turn fed a 6 channel = CV to midi convertor would really be the best tracking midi guitar controll= er of all time!
Pardon my flight of fancy.=A0=A0 =A0:)
=A0
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM,= George
Ludwig<georgel= udwigmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland GR-300

Those are nice, but not MIDI.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com




--
-George

http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic
--00163698969439d4650470478248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:21:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB4033BE8F; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [71.220.182.223] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:21:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012D_01CA1477.F1CD0750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 02:21:22.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[428DDE30:01CA14AA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:21:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01CA1477.F1CD0750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Were they using mics on their acoustic instruments?=20 My take...we're all either 100% real or 100% totally fake...which means = the distinction is meaningless. I love to run my alto flute through my = computer so that it is unrecognizable as a flute...is that real or fake? = Who the hell cares. Anyone who gets hung up on these things probably = isn't listening or is missing the point.=20 But one thing I like to do if someone acts like what you describe below, = is to demonstrate to them that I can do what they do (which I can), but = then point out that I choose not to do so far artistic reasons. That = usually shuts them up. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i just = got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my = looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" = player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of bigot Kyle=20 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01CA1477.F1CD0750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Were they using mics on their acoustic = instruments?=20
 
My take...we're all either 100% real or = 100%=20 totally fake...which means the distinction is meaningless.   I = love to=20 run my alto flute through my computer so that it is unrecognizable as a=20 flute...is that real or fake? Who the hell cares. Anyone who gets hung = up on=20 these things probably isn't listening or is missing the point. =
 
But one thing I like to do if someone = acts like=20 what you describe below, is to demonstrate to them that I can do what = they do=20 (which I can), but then point out that I choose not to do so far = artistic=20 reasons.  That usually shuts them up.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
 OK... My Looping friends......tell me some story's.....i = just got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my = looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a "real" = player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of = bigot

------=_NextPart_000_012D_01CA1477.F1CD0750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:21:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E54B93BEA4; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8fvHiTeiK+BkVAAiUxpD60+9m9cfLnPQa9H/N813SMI=; b=UjMGSq2TJjVXse++9UZnGRxnJljOVtRc9ffxWHtw5ZdZdIb0rhCjwYp8Fu54K/KxEN rTP7PQn4YbKnihQK8ZdHPTBUMe93QVFhEs181fyP2+0MFCnN4TCgkc5cwYHueO3gTBBu H8741jsMqc2yL01/4h17JDNbguzG8UifOGDmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mZ3HzGYMoY+Z1UgNY9nQhj5lD5QpbjquNZywlNsXoJsELJzj/pKqJ3LiJW3ezRmXTe Ib5mpt0/K3P/jlbvn4oRe6OMS2y7yyLffIlHu/IGvXEEu94RoN7QOqw16QO7d33rzibt 3ucRRqrdoNEkj9bqNVDI8ZvxyC2lnvnIHE57A= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <739EE0F4-25C9-4875-B8BE-BB3439500F21@charter.net> References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <739EE0F4-25C9-4875-B8BE-BB3439500F21@charter.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:21:28 -0500 Message-ID: <2871c3a90908031921m3ff9568ex52c03cb3b47aff17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots From: Sylvain Poitras To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (rant alert) Yeah don't get me started on that Ken Burns documentary... How can you leave out Frank Rosolino and J.J. Johnson from the history of jazz... It's like leaving out the trombone entirely... which is what they did... They mention Kid Ory, showcase Jack Teagarden (singing not playing his horn), do a small piece on Glenn Miller (as a great band leader) and we hear some snippets from Dorsey... But really, all great jazz comes out of saxophones and trumpets? The real insult comes at the very end of the film when we get a roll call of all the great players carrying on the torch, and not one of them a trombone player... I could name at least half a dozen great players right now that deserve some attention, but don't get nearly enough in part because they don't play sax or trumpet, in fact I will: Nils Wogram Wycliffe Gordon Ray Anderson Nils Landgren Lucien Barbarin Robin Eubanks (check out his looping with his band EB3) and those are only some players active these days... leaving out Frank Rosolino and J.J. Johnson from a comprehensive history of american jazz is shameful (I wonder if it's because they are both suicides?). Sylvain On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wro= te: > Yep, > > And still takes . . . if you count the general dismissal of his music dur= ing > his electric period by Ken Burns and Wynton Marsalis in Burns' "Jazz" > documentary. > > Nothing, except maybe Weather Report got much of a mention in the series. > > No Metheny, no McLaughlin, no Corea, no anything tainted with electricity= or > the term "fusion" . . . and most unbelievably no mention of the > contributions of any Europeans let alone Manfred Eicher and his wonderful= , > monumental label ECM. > > It's as though Jazz stopped from the mid '60s to sometime in the late '80= s > or early'90s when young gentlemen in suits started blowing horns again. > > There still seem to be plenty of style and technology nazis around. > > And there are always plenty of folks to criticize. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists when he went >> electric! >> >> Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:22:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6927B3BE8F; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [71.220.182.223] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:22:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 02:22:10.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F36E770:01CA14AA] Resent-Message-ID: <60FcC.A.DrC.Ut5dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:22:12 +0000 (UTC) I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful thing... :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:43:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B713BE87; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [71.220.182.223] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <739EE0F4-25C9-4875-B8BE-BB3439500F21@charter.net> <2871c3a90908031921m3ff9568ex52c03cb3b47aff17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:42:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 02:42:33.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[38079840:01CA14AD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:43:27 +0000 (UTC) And Bill Evans...that's what chapped my ass about the Ken Burned documentary.... ----- Original Message ----- (rant alert) Yeah don't get me started on that Ken Burns documentary... How can you leave out Frank Rosolino and J.J. Johnson from the history of jazz... It's like leaving out the trombone entirely... which is what they did... They mention Kid Ory, showcase Jack Teagarden (singing not playing his horn), do a small piece on Glenn Miller (as a great band leader) and we hear some snippets from Dorsey... But really, all great jazz comes out of saxophones and trumpets? The real insult comes at the very end of the film when we get a roll call of all the great players carrying on the torch, and not one of them a trombone player... I could name at least half a dozen great players right now that deserve some attention, but don't get nearly enough in part because they don't play sax or trumpet, in fact I will: Nils Wogram Wycliffe Gordon Ray Anderson Nils Landgren Lucien Barbarin Robin Eubanks (check out his looping with his band EB3) and those are only some players active these days... leaving out Frank Rosolino and J.J. Johnson from a comprehensive history of american jazz is shameful (I wonder if it's because they are both suicides?). Sylvain On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:56 PM, tEd Ū KiLLiAn wrote: > Yep, > > And still takes . . . if you count the general dismissal of his music > during > his electric period by Ken Burns and Wynton Marsalis in Burns' "Jazz" > documentary. > > Nothing, except maybe Weather Report got much of a mention in the series. > > No Metheny, no McLaughlin, no Corea, no anything tainted with electricity > or > the term "fusion" . . . and most unbelievably no mention of the > contributions of any Europeans let alone Manfred Eicher and his wonderful, > monumental label ECM. > > It's as though Jazz stopped from the mid '60s to sometime in the late '80s > or early'90s when young gentlemen in suits started blowing horns again. > > There still seem to be plenty of style and technology nazis around. > > And there are always plenty of folks to criticize. > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists when he went >> electric! >> >> Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 02:44:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D6B3BE8F; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1249353893; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=E/HxKfHW9CEElG/ho7fcN57NZt0=; b=iUUCr3lEOVfs5SEBqCiIrzk90tOsFuo0YJXGl2PkF8qxy+brzsFEvGDc2GwoT5px H4gFm8m7UhMIAWj65fKQe53KG10dcuZEvQySKyFacyBMvD+l+YKMFIoMNCu77kTK; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7xAXhyfljxgA:10 a=zQiYORMAAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=bjhiOcLuyqhnIDc-MzoA:9 a=g6uLrvoaXxNEMH0_MTxN1JcJ9_EA:4 a=BAJq6lBvVEoA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:44:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <2zeEe.A.fnD.mC6dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 02:44:54 +0000 (UTC) sigh, you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say that? arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you people can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left for the learning curve..sigh :) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:22 PM Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? >I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful thing... >:) > > Kris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 03:09:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08C493BE91; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [71.220.182.223] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:09:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 03:09:19.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[F51E8C60:01CA14B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Easier than you think...start with a basic VST host and host something like Reaktor or your favorite VSTs, then add one of the many VST Loopers (Mobius, etc). There are so many free VSTs and free Reaktor patches, that you won't have to do any programming. If you can drag and drop in a computer, and tweak virtual nobs, you can create a laptop system. The problem I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than they can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they are irriated when their system has all sorts of performances issues. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > sigh, you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say that? > arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you people > can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left for the > learning curve..sigh :) > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > > >>I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful thing... >>:) >> >> Kris >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 03:17:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C2B3BEA9; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1249355843; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=nMv/k9ZIbXR3WIBkGo9hYzZDur0=; b=RJomRU+bcnN3FXcW8U7binWuH/ETSeFU7+N83UMQFxw8ZgRh2pVETbS10IopM+V9 uWRVZ+rmBBIv2YObxreyTzxmzloqrph/An2ysiyywl/YyIOr5YdgM+F3LJtJfMGy; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7xAXhyfljxgA:10 a=zQiYORMAAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=wEsCtA87UeWRaTunD2UA:9 a=fQNi5MXk3A60JIMzEVhKP4a7KfUA:4 a=BAJq6lBvVEoA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000a01ca14b2$15684690$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:17:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kris, Don't be suprised if by next year I am writing this group for info on this. Mobius is just amazing from what I have heard done with it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > Easier than you think...start with a basic VST host and host something > like Reaktor or your favorite VSTs, then add one of the many VST Loopers > (Mobius, etc). There are so many free VSTs and free Reaktor patches, that > you won't have to do any programming. If you can drag and drop in a > computer, and tweak virtual nobs, you can create a laptop system. > > The problem I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than they > can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they are irriated when > their system has all sorts of performances issues. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> sigh, you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say that? >> arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you people >> can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left for the >> learning curve..sigh :) >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Krispen Hartung" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:22 PM >> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? >> >> >>>I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful thing... >>>:) >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 03:50:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1D93BE95; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249357810; bh=Fk1SJJl7xoa9qHEBBqvHR8cmiI9zwHoyUsScyMXiCIk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bkJPGzDnVtkasHwawxmX/fImnDPdrAKIckn7rQKR52Hy8Kx+rdHgJfpDMaK9s3XAmV6fpH6zJIwqB60miN7LpMqduqZhxLkXsgrKfoQCdlgxQELpj0kBk2q0KG/E/ClwyEdljS2MWcJTGOsWnkP0teMTFQ0sbCH7V0jDIeRmasw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UHi8aeVYPlmBR3/0iS8OIpX8AMssFnLbCf8WNj3o3KZiBP22wjb5Q7tUJJAVltJJZfVXHlkKGeQjbZAfC5zGNx4uza4U1BO0tayP2mZ2SxIdLuX8ujhbQtcB6swsc0I57+L1HBWrW1X2wthZDh6y/8nEdeMIxfSLNeBGEwcPnwI=; Message-ID: <935809.22851.qm@web39207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qSvPZO4VM1l0NCYie_5A97T8tQIrqgx1TAMpM7H6sR58kNebmAY.2w5UoGVPM81nmMYiEnz8WD9CRxiJAUliOb0_SgiY2oBX4NEHNtk_YDz21tQ5UItM8883w7wBDWFGLcllk3qZzKqzfyaLG1EDeqdcSiLDEzwhvtqToUGDNgcCWEW3JaLpKnJDmaxqofB.OstgXKVZm2lAv24LXclH48p067AUNn9sVJqxhTPpA40g0fwPx.L5wEZVKW0csVA4sVHKUx3ScKKwXaDwdzv7rjy16ZncEKoeRbDN5eJ6awaGXOkybkL5f1lQAPDnXAxlYyr7dLkz3PliZofMv222p1aI1npsrlGYa5k1SfLsK0YU2ASuOqJfdt4rqSvNN2w- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1859646832-1249357810=:22851" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:50:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-1859646832-1249357810=:22851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for all the responses guys....good to know I'm not the only one putt= ing up with this crap.....think I'll put your posts in a file and go back t= o them...when i run into a similar scenario again=A0 ;-} Kyle=20 =A0 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=20 http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 --0-1859646832-1249357810=:22851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 OK... My Looping friends......tell me some=20 story's.....i just got trashed by some acoustic purists at a gig = because=20 of my looping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as = a "real"=20 player.....I'd like to hear your experiences with this kind of=20 bigot

Kyle

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http://www.myspace.com/kyl= edeanpatten         =20



thanks for all the responses guys....good to = know I'm not the only one putting up with this crap.....think I'll put your= posts in a file and go back to them...when i run into a similar scenario a= gain  ;-}

Kyle

 
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--0-1859646832-1249357810=:22851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 04:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1233BE94; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [76.103.252.64] X-Originating-Email: [tygerman_gb@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Ty Gott" To: "LoppersDelightMailingList" Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01CA147D.8EA6BD00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8050.1202 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 04:01:39.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[44E70810:01CA14B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:01:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01CA147D.8EA6BD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I get razzed it for everything that makes me different. I get more grief = about all the gear. Apparently for us guitar players, there's pedal size = and count limits. Apparently "real" players plug direct into an amp the = size of my car. The guys at my local guitar store thought I was a freak = for asking for a MIDI cable. Folks here bash guitar to MIDI. The only = comment that has hurt so far: "I could unplug one of your leads and = you'd never find it" That one was too true.=20 Cheers, -Ty www.soundclick.com\TygermanGrooveBand ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01CA147D.8EA6BD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I get razzed it for everything that makes me=20 different. I get more grief about all the gear. = Apparently for us=20 guitar players, there's pedal size and = count limits. Apparently "real"=20 players plug direct into an amp the size of my car. The guys = at my=20 local guitar store thought I was a freak for asking for a MIDI=20 cable. Folks here bash guitar to MIDI. The only=20 comment that has hurt so far: "I could unplug one of your leads and = you'd never=20 find it" That one was too true.
Cheers,
-Ty
www.soundclick.com\= TygermanGrooveBand
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01CA147D.8EA6BD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 04:03:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED393BEB2; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:02:49 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:03:14 +0000 (UTC) At 11:47 AM -0700 8/3/09, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >For triggering everything else I find an actual midi keyboard to be >worlds better. Almost as if it were designed for it from the start. >;) Equal and opposite viewpoint here: I go back & forth between praising and demonizing good old Bob Moog for attaching a keyboard to his famous synthesizers. I want to praise him because attaching something people were familiar with to this alien noise machine arguably did more to popularize it than any other innovation. I want to beat him, though, because that's inadvertently stuck us with the dominant playing paradigm of "synthesizer = organ" for almost a half-century now. I still wonder what this world would be like if someone like Buchla -- with his wonderful whacked-out interfaces -- had become the dominant force in the field back in its formative years of the 60's-70's, rather than Moog. Anyway, I've been playing keyboards and synthesizers for over 30 years. And for the past decade I've tried my hardest to use almost any controller *except* a keyboard for user input. Frankly, for most sounds, I HATE using a keyboard and find it the least expressive interface out there for most of my purposes (with the caveat that traditional keyboard instruments -- like piano -- are usually better played with a keyboard). I've had guitar- and wind-controllers since the '80s. And in terms of expressiveness, I really prefer both of them over traditional keyboard-controllers. There's an organic quality that's a lot more difficult to get if you're dealing with an interface that's not much more than a glorified set of buttons. I've got many, many synths that take on a completely different (and interesting!) character merely because I've switched to using a different type of control interface. Occasionally I'll use a keyboard for something relatively simple/sterile like a 303-style bass line or, for convenience's sake, to quickly audition sounds, but little else. At 7:48 PM +0200 8/3/09, Christo Jota wrote: > >But even with that you have to concentrate a lot on playing very accurate. >Otherwise you hear wrong notes very soon. >This was the same when I still used the Roland GR 33 guitar >synthesizer with an external Midi pick up. Those permanent wrong >notes inbetween drove me crazy and made me selling the gear. It kept >me from having fun playing guitar. I completely agree, however, with the frustration over the typical Roland-style "pitch-to-glitch" MIDI tracking. I'm using this now merely as a matter of convenience (most of my gear is in storage, waiting for us to save enough cash to bring it over). But I've never been so impressed with that architecture and, for monophonic lines, will often now just use my WX-11 wind-controller instead. My continuing weapon-of-choice for guitar-controllers is still the Yamaha G-10/G-10C setup. I've had one since about '89 and still swear by it. Best points: Nearly flawless tracking. I've rarely been able to get it to glitch due to playing style. Admittedly, I'm not the world's fastest guitarist by any means. So I've had it test-driven by friends who are traditional 'shredders' and they couldn't get it to glitch either. There's a reason they call this the 'poor man's Synthaxe'. It's also more configurable (tunings, splits, curves, etc.) than most other MIDI controllers. Once the G10 and the synth module are properly set up together (it takes a little work to get a combination to gel) it becomes much more like playing a single organic instrument than a MIDI synth. Worst points: It's a MIDI controller, not a true guitar. While it uses real guitar strings, all six are the same .016 ("G") gauge and are all tuned to the same note. This takes a little while to get used to, and it has a tendency to freak out some traditional guitar folk. The feel is different (because all the strings are the same) so novices often get lost on the fretboard. And you *have* to listen through the MIDI module output; listening to the strings themselves sounds like a jangly mess. It took me about a week to get used to it, but many guitarists don't give it that much chance. Also, it looks like a damn boat oar, or a laser rifle, so the "I look cool wearing this" factor goes right out the window. On a more practical note, the controller module is heavy as hell. Get ready to pay some overweight baggage fees if you're flying. The biggest downside for me, though, is that the Yamaha's getting to be "vintage" equipment, so I have to spend nearly as much time maintaining it as playing. That's another reason why I dedicate more time these days to VG synthesis than true MIDI guitar. --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 04:09:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012B53BEAE; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [71.220.182.223] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <000a01ca14b2$15684690$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:09:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 04:09:26.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B2A3B00:01CA14B9] Resent-Message-ID: <1OZDTC.A.E_G.2R7dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Well, I haven't used Mobius for over a year (since I use a custom max/msp randomized looper), but for when I was doing traditional looping, Mobius is just an ideal and amazing tool. I just can't believe Jeff provides it for free. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Thanks Kris, > > Don't be suprised if by next year I am writing this group for info on > this. Mobius is just amazing from what I have heard done with it. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM > Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > > >> Easier than you think...start with a basic VST host and host something >> like Reaktor or your favorite VSTs, then add one of the many VST Loopers >> (Mobius, etc). There are so many free VSTs and free Reaktor patches, >> that you won't have to do any programming. If you can drag and drop in a >> computer, and tweak virtual nobs, you can create a laptop system. >> >> The problem I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than they >> can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they are irriated when >> their system has all sorts of performances issues. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>> sigh, you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say that? >>> arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you >>> people can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left >>> for the learning curve..sigh :) >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Krispen Hartung" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? >>> >>> >>>>I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful >>>>thing... :) >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 04:51:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E94F63BEB2; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z9w2h9f8X6s0IjCLS4LFw/JxblWBbEcNoa0kva49qXM=; b=nY8hlqdhI96DWvyl3xgL83zRxo/dSsK3+hPQif/Ldl9fGkJgesehq1rhpxFdOoM4k9 3vKU4qSC3jdSDNIfaiUGq8ZZWdWg7n+JPOLwwqzYezqobDk9Kvq4b+o39jwTYp9qIY9M DiChRG76+nmTZMF5dg5lbNspkgnB1NXuB10po= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FPAjMwRnkfkcYErVDhhhHSAHV4oW02LvWaK3OziABhirjAbV8VHcn2d7i9vpZLjhFp Xe33Dw6bbynfDaj4GcOQHLwRDbpbVVTXfp7+oGvO9uQ1XlEy2CZuHO0y4vyhSNAWMHNY utC/YPOcKgs87WYDRw4OhT6tTjZiUDfR/2AB4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <000a01ca14b2$15684690$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:51:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2cHVr.A.Ra.547dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:51:05 +0000 (UTC) OK, I'll jump in. I use a Chrome laptop bag. Couldn't find a link to it on line, I guess Chrome discontinued it but it's pretty beefy and well padded. Nice. I'll echo Krispen's sentiments. He and Per helped me a lot as I think I was a few months behind Krispen's venture into laptop land. It's really not rocket science. When I hear what half of you do in terms of audio and midi routing I think you'll find that the laptop setup, while not without it's issues, is simpler and easier to get. A $60 duffle bag for my guitar, keyboard, Stealthpedal (control and i/o) and an FCB1010 and the laptop bag and that's it. Plug me into a PA and I'm done. It's pretty amazing. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Krispen Hartung wr= ote: > Well, I haven't used Mobius for over a year (since I use a custom max/msp > randomized looper), but for when I was doing traditional looping, Mobius = is > just an ideal and amazing tool. I just can't believe Jeff provides it for > free. :) > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Thanks Kris, >> >> Don't be suprised if by next year I am writing this group for info on >> this. Mobius is just amazing from what I have heard done with it. >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" >> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM >> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? >> >> >>> Easier than you think...start with a basic VST host and host something >>> like Reaktor or your favorite VSTs, then add one of the many VST Looper= s >>> (Mobius, etc). =A0There are so many free VSTs and free Reaktor patches,= that >>> you won't have to do any programming. =A0If you can drag and drop in a >>> computer, and tweak virtual nobs, you can create a laptop system. >>> >>> The problem I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than they >>> can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they are irriated wh= en >>> their system has all sorts of performances issues. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> sigh, you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say that? >>>> arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you peo= ple >>>> can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left for t= he >>>> learning curve..sigh :) >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:22 PM >>>> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful >>>>> thing... :) >>>>> >>>>> Kris >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 06:16:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066A13BEB6; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-476433455 Message-Id: <3D5E7B5D-32F5-4D1E-8A4C-34B4878D855B@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots / Miles & Teo Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:16:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:16:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-476433455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists when he > went electric! > > Jeff I wonder how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo Marcero employed a lot of looping in the over all creation of Bitches Brew,etc. Speaking of that, here is some inspirational reading. Enjoy... http://milesite.blogspot.com/2009/02/teo-macero-on-producing-miles- davis.html Cheers, Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-1-476433455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
On Aug 3, 2009, at = 6:41 PM, Jeff Duke wrote:

Don't forget the beating Miles Davis took from the purists = when he went electric!
 
Jeff

I wonder = how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo Marcero employed = a lot of looping in the over all creation of Bitches = Brew,etc.

Speaking of that, here is some = inspirational reading.  Enjoy...


Cheers,
Rev = Fever

= --Apple-Mail-1-476433455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 06:31:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CAC3BEC3; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <3D5E7B5D-32F5-4D1E-8A4C-34B4878D855B@ubergadget.com> References: <24528.23820.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <05C17E82-A4B7-49C1-B879-2E3AAF311695@johnfloridis.com> <001801ca14a4$b2cd46f0$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <3D5E7B5D-32F5-4D1E-8A4C-34B4878D855B@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-477312311 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots / Miles & Teo (correction) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:30:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:31:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-477312311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Er... I meant, Macero, and not Marcero. (red faced typo) :-) On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:16 PM, Rev Fever wrote: > I wonder how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo > Marcero employed a lot of looping in the over all creation of > Bitches Brew,etc. > > Speaking of that, here is some inspirational reading. Enjoy... > > http://milesite.blogspot.com/2009/02/teo-macero-on-producing-miles- > davis.html > Cheers, Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-1-477312311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Er... I meant, Macero, and not = Marcero. (red faced typo) :-)

On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:16 = PM, Rev Fever wrote:

I = wonder how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo Marcero = employed a lot of looping in the over all creation of Bitches = Brew,etc.

Speaking of that, here is some = inspirational reading.  Enjoy...


= --Apple-Mail-1-477312311-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 07:08:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103243BEC2; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:08:44 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0908030113y1122a9f3w16c9dea23c048fba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090804070844.300730@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090802171559.133000@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0908021434n6e9cd890u99900cf4fb8660bb@mail.gmail.com> <20090803080004.112050@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0908030113y1122a9f3w16c9dea23c048fba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Does Mainstage + Ableton make sense? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+zU7Uri4Wz98wjbn2633IC0ZOsxscDzHLYs4JV0h dqwdLLbO47ZfLO3XsTzdtEGemzbdqKbIlmRg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: HbcCeU1AODB6KMN6iGVMorw9Ji9SWpJk X-FuHaFi: 0.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per > ReWire is supported by both Live 8 and Mainstage 2. Not by Mainstage 1 Once the new Logic 9 and Mac Snow Leopard are both out (and possibly patched), I will get both and do a fresh install on my Mac. best regards Buzap -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 07:13:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 760283BEB6; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:13:09 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090804071309.300690@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <262578.46646.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/bmS4Q6Nzb+ReQZ8sf0U3YpkawfOpFWnQcFWlHqu /o7WwpmWou/nRZq3IStn1s/D1hzIVelOGPQQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: tO1RYlzSLi50aYE/kWppIZVrZml1ZBhR X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Akim > Also, if you don't like the drum loops on the Boss pedal, you can actually > replace them with your own sounds etc... I was actually curious: Is there really a way to replace the Ryhthm Guide (HiHat etc.) samples or did you just mean the pre-installed demo loops? Best regards Buzap -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 07:17:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2353BED0; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:17:02 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090804071702.300700@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20090803162707.B00C93BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: RC 50 tempo change To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19MlAZopZ1M7H5yi0rBaMAuHZcqF2+fHAGS8W+Ubb 54PR6m9f/globFfc7MaTupzA0CHc9BihMObA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: WdhCfj0/RkkNE91hiGVqsZJudWkvKBPr X-FuHaFi: 0.7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Denis the bottom-line on the RC-50 for me seems to be: Rhythm-only tempo changes are "ok", if you have long sustained sounds or even vocals - it doesn't properly work (unless you are looking for that particular wobbly sound). best regards Buzap PS: So many RC-50 postings... - I'm happy :-) -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 07:19:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73CD23BED5; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249370379; bh=1ljAgGiftrYU/qXJpnCaJIlSDml8zH+ru4eHY/zMNo0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OnQyYKQTKcj6Euy5as0lYsrguYd3wT2oDM5ixmn9RkCuLRH/vWe9cMJpcdsdGmh/GZQObdqBMLOyhCdPmtm67rWXgI/b3AUXUx9nYj4vA75SrobQLrquIz0P8V/eT+CKrx+FA2FnWpv481lO/qxRuszTY7/RJXw4ZrGdvEDfxI4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GfpariW2aB5LadQ5Pqd+mhcMroGoPBkOh8Xr9C6KbnSRkBdWIBDcEXGwR8d86XsGLN1zRvSvBaBeJn0Y+NMWxXMwX+u77Gg1aKBhXGYm7wpxeHadQQwr9RzvGmKmkf04+B5xWe4jISbwR3K8BrkVN+1uDXTTx7as4VfWzbrKJlA=; Message-ID: <81611.65862.qm@web24303.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:19:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kyle,=0Ai while ago i started a thread called "Loopers hard questions" b= ecause of this same reason,there are closed minded purists out there who wi= ll go out of their way even before you play to put you down (and yes im tal= king about musicians)=0AA while ago i had a looping gig and i invited a mus= ician friend of mine who does not loop and is quite a purist in the songwri= tting sense.The next day he wrote me to tell me his thoughts of how crap th= is whole looping thing he thinks it is,hiding talent behind gear,antisocial= musician etc.etc.etc.=0Athen again this same guy admires me as a musican t= hough and even hires me to play for him and he loves Andrew Birds music;-)= =0AI think for the most part a lot of them base their opinions on their per= sonal musical preference and conservative views of how music should be perf= ormed,either people like it or not wether you are looping or not.In general= though my experience has been postive with this,some people are curious ab= out it,some people dont get it,some people think you are using playbacks,ot= hers dont care what you are using and some people just sit there and critic= ise it.Is almost as biased as somebody saying playing with a band is better= than alone;-)=0AA guy who saw once play liked it so much that he went and = recomended me to a pub owner in a town about 100km away from here,,so he c= ame and saw me personally at the following gig,i was doing my own songs and= some covers but with abstract looping at times.I went to his pub once and = he has a lot of blues duos who entertain the audience by telling stories in= german dialects.He never called me so i obviously did not fit his bill,tha= nk god!=0ALuis=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Zoe Keating <= info@zoekeating.com> schrieb am Mo, 3.8.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Zoe Keating =0A> Betreff: Re: anti-looper bigots=0A> An: Loopers-Deligh= t@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Montag, 3. August 2009, 16:40=0A> bwa ha h= a! i've totally heard=0A> that!=0A> Acoustic Music Series in San Diego thin= ks the=0A> same thing of me. i heard through the grapevine (i.e fan=0A> mai= l) that they won't have me back because of the=0A> looping (although their = concerts are amplified and many=0A> guitarists perform there with looping p= edals)=0A> my advice: IGNORE THEM. i don't even respond=0A> to that kind of= thing=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Aug 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, K D Patten=0A> w= rote:=0A> =A0OK... My Looping=0A> friends......tell me some story's.....i j= ust got trashed=0A> by some acoustic purists at a gig because of my=0A> loo= ping....evidently because i loop it disqualifies me as a=0A> "real" player.= ....I'd like to hear your=0A> experiences with this kind of bigot=0A> =0A> = Kyle =0A> =0A> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten=0A> =0A> http://www.myspac= e.com/kyledeanpatten=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A= > =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 07:59:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 054CF3BEBA; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 237057997/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.234.61/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.234.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiABAJuHd0pPTuo9/2dsb2JhbAAI1CyEGAWKFg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,320,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="237057997" Message-ID: <4A77EDEF.6050409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:14:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> In-Reply-To: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Christo Jota wrote: > About 10 days ago I got a Sonuus G2M - Guitar to midi converter > (monophonic). > My impressions after checking it out are: > The fast, accurate not tracking which is advertised in the manual is not > possible. I mainly use it for soft snyth-sounds . Not for fast playing > notes. > Just to give my guitar playing a smooth backing sound. Like a melotron etc. > But even with that you have to concentrate a lot on playing very accurate. > Otherwise you hear wrong notes very soon The Sonuus isn't the fastest tracking device around, but it's very playable, and is exceptionally glitch resistant. I'm afraid you just have to learn to damp the other 5 strings while playing a note if you want it to behave. You could always attach some sort of mechanical damping at the nut to stop the open strings ringing in the same way that the guys who do 2 handed tapping do. > > I also checked the pitch-bend advise from the manual, but it didnīt help: > " to ensure that the midi sounds are correctly in tune > with the guitar, you have to ensure the Midi patch is set to a pitch-bend > range of + - 2 semitones." "set the pitch bend range in your *synth* to 2 semitones". If you've been using those patches with another midi controller, likely they'll be set to 12 semitones. ...and any note bend would be exaggerated by 6x That's a drawback with the simplicity of the Sonuus, because pitch bend is 2 semitones it means if you bend a note *just* past that limit you get a re-trigger. andy ps. Per, the Sonuus is *mono* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 08:34:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90AF73BED2; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45b1634f-13c2-4fcf-a142-d65e3253cbeb_" X-Originating-IP: [99.195.148.10] From: FRO DIDDLY To: Subject: RE: what cases do you use for your looping gear? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:34:32 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <000a01ca14b2$15684690$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 08:34:32.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[63C328B0:01CA14DE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:34:33 +0000 (UTC) --_45b1634f-13c2-4fcf-a142-d65e3253cbeb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i built 2 cases and i bought 2 cases- dunno how they compare...but check out marathon cases....was pretty darn ch= eap..... infact it was cheaper to buy it than to build it- they use quality handles / latches.... only problem ive had is the threadin= g for the screws is sometimes funked up......i returned 1 case free of char= ge for this reason.... > Date: Mon=2C 3 Aug 2009 21:51:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > From: zerocrossing@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > OK=2C I'll jump in. I use a Chrome laptop bag. Couldn't find a link > to it on line=2C I guess Chrome discontinued it but it's pretty beefy > and well padded. Nice. >=20 > I'll echo Krispen's sentiments. He and Per helped me a lot as I think > I was a few months behind Krispen's venture into laptop land. It's > really not rocket science. When I hear what half of you do in terms > of audio and midi routing I think you'll find that the laptop setup=2C > while not without it's issues=2C is simpler and easier to get. >=20 > A $60 duffle bag for my guitar=2C keyboard=2C Stealthpedal (control and > i/o) and an FCB1010 and the laptop bag and that's it. Plug me into a > PA and I'm done. It's pretty amazing. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon=2C Aug 3=2C 2009 at 9:09 PM=2C Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Well=2C I haven't used Mobius for over a year (since I use a custom max= /msp > > randomized looper)=2C but for when I was doing traditional looping=2C M= obius is > > just an ideal and amazing tool. I just can't believe Jeff provides it f= or > > free. :) > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> Thanks Kris=2C > >> > >> Don't be suprised if by next year I am writing this group for info on > >> this. Mobius is just amazing from what I have heard done with it. > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" > >> > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday=2C August 03=2C 2009 11:09 PM > >> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > >> > >> > >>> Easier than you think...start with a basic VST host and host somethin= g > >>> like Reaktor or your favorite VSTs=2C then add one of the many VST Lo= opers > >>> (Mobius=2C etc). There are so many free VSTs and free Reaktor patche= s=2C that > >>> you won't have to do any programming. If you can drag and drop in a > >>> computer=2C and tweak virtual nobs=2C you can create a laptop system. > >>> > >>> The problem I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than th= ey > >>> can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they are irriated = when > >>> their system has all sorts of performances issues. > >>> > >>> Kris > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >>>> sigh=2C you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say th= at? > >>>> arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear in a tiny box. And I hear what you p= eople > >>>> can do with them! I am just wondering if I have enough time left for= the > >>>> learning curve..sigh :) > >>>> > >>>> Jeff > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" > >>>> > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Monday=2C August 03=2C 2009 10:22 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's a wonderful > >>>>> thing... :) > >>>>> > >>>>> Kris > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=3DPID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR= _sync:082009= --_45b1634f-13c2-4fcf-a142-d65e3253cbeb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i built 2 cases and i bought 2 cases-
dunno how they compare...but check= out marathon cases....was pretty darn cheap..... infact it was cheaper to = buy it than to build it-
they use quality handles / latches.... only pro= blem ive had is the threading for the screws is sometimes funked up......i = returned 1 case free of charge for this reason....





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>=3B Subject: Re: wha= t cases do you use for your looping gear?
>=3B From: zerocrossing@gmai= l.com
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>= =3B OK=2C I'll jump in. I use a Chrome laptop bag. Couldn't find a link<= br>>=3B to it on line=2C I guess Chrome discontinued it but it's pretty b= eefy
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>=3B I'll echo Krisp= en's sentiments. He and Per helped me a lot as I think
>=3B I was a f= ew months behind Krispen's venture into laptop land. It's
>=3B really= not rocket science. When I hear what half of you do in terms
>=3B of= audio and midi routing I think you'll find that the laptop setup=2C
>= =3B while not without it's issues=2C is simpler and easier to get.
>= =3B
>=3B A $60 duffle bag for my guitar=2C keyboard=2C Stealthpedal (= control and
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>=3B >=3B Kris
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>=3B >=3B ----- Original = Message -----
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>=3B >=3B>=3B Thanks Kris=2C<= br>>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Don't be suprised if by next = year I am writing this group for info on
>=3B >=3B>=3B this. Mobiu= s is just amazing from what I have heard done with it.
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>=3B >=3B>=3B Jeff
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>= =3B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung"
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B <=3Binfo@krispenhartung.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B To: <=3BL= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Sent: Monda= y=2C August 03=2C 2009 11:09 PM
>=3B >=3B>=3B Subject: Re: what ca= ses do you use for your looping gear?
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >= =3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B Easier than you think...start with a= basic VST host and host something
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>=3B &= gt=3B>=3B>=3B (Mobius=2C etc).  =3BThere are so many free VSTs and = free Reaktor patches=2C that
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>=3B >=3B= >=3B>=3B computer=2C and tweak virtual nobs=2C you can create a laptop = system.
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B The probl= em I see is that people go laptop and bight off more than they
>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B>=3B can chew...try to over-engineer their setup...then they ar= e irriated when
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B their system has all sorts of = performances issues.
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>= =3B Kris
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B ----- Or= iginal Message -----
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>= =3B>=3B sigh=2C you guys have about got me on this lappy thing. Did I say= that?
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B arrgh! A whole roomfull of gear i= n a tiny box. And I hear what you people
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>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B Jeff
>=3B >=3B&= gt=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B ----- Original Message= ----- From: "Krispen Hartung"
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B <=3Binf= o@krispenhartung.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B To: <=3BLoo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B S= ent: Monday=2C August 03=2C 2009 10:22 PM
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>= =3B Subject: Re: what cases do you use for your looping gear?
>=3B >= =3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B&g= t=3B>=3B>=3B>=3B I use this thing called a laptop computer case. It's= a wonderful
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 08:48:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BB2D3BED3; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249375733; bh=i2zt7ZfIJxTIuQFdGtalro/h+guqwbLcDbVyXBpU5Eg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=joQS8muvg9FVBsr/Weihyza/HtsLeHVVaSYlsmWTIyJTHtW7YholXpD9//hHJVtKROl17eF1P+Rc87py2LejxeU5qDM5v8CMDmjc7sKoeFCJKGalwHSdYIt7K4NhxGYE2pbsPp7wT5jUPCoPZipA82+F6vzMUnD5vlgW4rPUJxg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y2PG57bYLD1PJ6JwnvDTAGZo6J6dK8+I6RDUX2ENMPaJ9vgqz+1AXPiM9jzpeLNbHHU2GO/FyuiYk6zY7JeqO7NrZB3jSehrpDLgVRhprakvJpkEqonCtvXV3AUyFs8JONwhVCebU0B8kRYnV8OlFN0MPxHIHtlb55MnNUwnIlo=; Message-ID: <309408.39430.qm@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OVzPU9cVM1lPxvUad9wp50_30Xce5.QUqqZc_UO_13Je4J248vGK_5o0oCkdweWUAOjp3.vwBSI0sTJyemKZwwYuuoBjAlW0Cny.Jr9ilnjk43m9CVdcJYiX1UCdnEjQbmsv6irDsCMtHGxeAlIG1ARXSnXYpMNaW6r9P9IZTdkk3bpTPTwM.M9atTOaUE6F.MUbpAmGfQAchQ4oFKh9zmJJF1xQgT.x8VAnhaVdpoPT1CVoBBxd0842yn2zoYQLcvLiPc7OxtbA4kmXATFrrt0nVSBHucbR49Nw1BpqOmvRIuMtADE4ZXQCM6_mLQKqoA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Petepong Phasukyud Subject: Best Vocal Looper Beginner Suggestion please... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-477399370-1249375733=:39430" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:48:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-477399370-1249375733=:39430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fall in love with the LOOP things after watch some youtubes. I wanna use = it with my voice, only voice no other instument. Then, I found this social! hahaha So, I wanna testing some of it. However in Thailand there's only Boss - ex.= RC-50 RC20XL and Digitech Jamman to try in the shop I don't wanna get too advance gear but if it's worth for creating loops and= maybe live performance, I will.=20 Gibson EDP will be my top list but just only it's a bit expensive for begin= ner like me who's not that sure about looping life that much and I'm wonder if it's too advance or complicate than RC-50 or JAMMAN or no= t. (I prefer Jamman if compare to RC20XL just because of the XLR for microp= hone) about the RC-20 and Akai Headrush I've read many review and it's not so sui= table with the vocal looper? Are they right? or I should try these 2 little gears before purchase EDP? damn,I don't know which one suit for me. Can you guys suggest me? Pete ,=A0 Bangkok P.S.I try to figure used stuff from ebay, craiglist,yahoo Is there anywhere= I can find in cyber? I have friend in Chicago and Indiana. =0A=0A=0A --0-477399370-1249375733=:39430 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I fall in love with the LOOP things after wat= ch some youtubes. I wanna use it with my voice, only voice no other instume= nt.

Then, I found this social! hahaha

So, I wanna testing som= e of it. However in Thailand there's only Boss - ex.RC-50 RC20XL
and Dig= itech Jamman to try in the shop

I don't wanna get too advance gear b= ut if it's worth for creating loops and maybe live performance, I will.
Gibson EDP will be my top list but just only it's a bit expensive for = beginner like me who's not that sure about looping life that much
and I'= m wonder if it's too advance or complicate than RC-50 or JAMMAN or not. (I = prefer Jamman if compare to RC20XL just because of the XLR for microphone)<= br>
about the RC-20 and Akai Headrush I've read many review and it's not= so suitable with the vocal looper? Are they right?

or I should try these 2 little gears before purchase EDP?

damn,I don't know which o= ne suit for me.

Can you guys suggest me?

Pete ,  Bangkok=

P.S.I try to figure used stuff from ebay, craiglist,yahoo Is there = anywhere I can find in cyber? I have friend in Chicago and Indiana.

=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-477399370-1249375733=:39430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:12:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56EAD3BED5; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249377134; bh=GpKv1ahzsQ3wC2fofuUcOb7aucv29kJFdEn6tJsFkhE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yei4Jm3XxtNcf6cOSAYCmZpcu0eLUs1bdhsSH2mHC98IJ8pbdL2EoSYcL6OYIIJ9lCD8ZQF7jbO6iDgo9VY8J/UB3o+lLowhaR0Z5yK7ek4/puk3PSzwv4Q3WEgLDUbxYnGBBJ9DcRJ905z56VSoO8jG0T6Wy3GRegVZYdz0WLA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZmAa+RdQa86ZxEC9QB83wFvQg1VCvEhxGQo3+pqKN1XNxtbVzoMSYs2JHzIaINTSurtgxka6mm0sPDeTGvfQQLN4dBL7oh+SoCTIh+QeWextY8oMIFLRbhiJQ5fdQ44pdP0fPB7Y5W9RgoLSGGJcepgXpbk+XUbw1+S+xX1URhY=; Message-ID: <891696.76216.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:12:14 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: RE: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4A777C51.7000506@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <2jM48C.A.YhC.wt_dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:12:16 +0000 (UTC) ive always thought competition is great in a lot of areas but when it comes= to art and music it seems very ackward to me...is like the many nonsense d= ebates of who is the best hard rock band Black Sabbath, AC DC or Led Zeppel= in;-)=0AI guess what turns me off about this boss loopers is the fuction of= trying to correct your timing and those drum loops... though you can turn = them off and still be really creative no doubt,unfortunetly this are the on= es being mass produced and used as such educating the general public to wha= t is called "looping"for a lot of people to understand what looping is you = have to layer instrument parts to form a whole band orchestra,and im not pu= tting this down at all,there are people that can really do it fantastic but= ive seen so many do it so uncreative "auto corrected" steril and cheap,you= really might as well play to preprogramed sequences,it takes less longer;-= )=0A =0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Dan Ash schrieb am Mo, 3.8.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Dan Ash =0A> Betreff: RE: Boss looper contest in Germany=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Montag, 3. August 2009, 17:09=0A> > =0A> > Y= ou people were funny at first but now your guffaws of=0A> snobbery and elit= ist technocratic behaviour are really=0A> starting to take their toll...I m= ean what are "we" about=0A> here....does it have anything to do with making= music?=A0=0A> I am starting to wonder...I guess it has become=0A> unfashio= nable among the "Technocrati" to loop with a BOSS=0A> pedal...hmmmmm=0A> I = haven't been following this thread too closely, but my=0A> impression was t= hat the amusement at the Boss looping=0A> contest was due to several aspect= s of their support for=0A> looping.=A0 The comments here were generally rel= ated to=0A> mocking the idea of an olympic-style competition from a=0A> com= munity that largely has moved away from evaluating=0A> looping in terms lik= e those used in the rampant guitar=0A> 'gunslinging' phenomenon. 'Competiti= on' is largely an=0A> anachronism here on LD.=0A> =0A> Over the years Boss = product developers have been rather=0A> unresponsive to input from the loop= ing community regarding=0A> the design of their loopers - resulting in thre= e designs=0A> that don't incorporate some of the most important=0A> require= ments for looping anything other than accompaniment=0A> of pre-recorded loo= ps, or for a looping paradigm that plays=0A> a static loop over and over.= =A0 This is true of many/most=0A> of the mass-production looping products (= Digidesign is=0A> another company that comes to mind).=0A> =0A> The Boss RC= -50 is an improvement but as it turns out, a=0A> feedback control feature w= as only implemented using a=0A> technique developed and documented by a det= ermined looper=0A> (from this board, I think).=A0 My point is that they=0A>= produced design after design without supporting any more=0A> than the most= simplistic concept of what is actually=0A> available in more sophisticated= hardware or in largely free=0A> software loopers.=A0 From the top of my li= st is MIDI=0A> sync, saving a loop on the fly, upload of saved loops, and= =0A> the aforementioned feedback control. =0A> So Boss representatives migh= t well be judging contestants=0A> in gunslinging contest using tools suppor= ting a limited=0A> palette -and their designs suggest a lack of some degree= of=0A> expertise to boot.=0A> =0A> I think you will find the participants = here are overall=0A> very generous with their expertise and focused on maki= ng=0A> music.=A0 I don't even agree that the members of LD can=0A> be count= ed on to disparage gear choices of those using other=0A> units than their o= wn.=A0 Many wonderful compositions get=0A> posted here from loopers using s= imple delays, tape machines,=0A> and re-purposed musical toys.=0A> =0A> I t= hink perhaps Akim read too much into a little=0A> light-hearted fun at Boss= 's expense.=0A> =0A> Dan Ash=0A> White Plains, NY=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:16:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45593BEDF; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249377376; bh=m1Cj24g8VKvck81IFpyf5qD9QBs4C2Jd4NHOV3j3q0A=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1sU8oulpZ4LkgyXmO+w7SwltzD9LA45MmB/R0PVo0ktTiggi9FJzrVZgsYWpLZsKK6FgsJrIWjcivwRTXDj1SdU8yJBXD9GoF5pO7lWOUofare3ZW8O9A5LRxlHgvWzxAtZ/cqUwKOJUmMKdEb/Y8l8MuDylD4sRyo6QTbO7H2E= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QLo0Mulj3NjA3jl01IPpQhhTCwL8xhoc5SZzVa18Ct94zvSqX4AvyZtfMusGujQGGjb6ro9sGYkhbIwkmu8iq51HAdlNBxBh2SjdiuHI6koTZLKBnt4V1SMEsQrrmxYSap21F2ObvV8+ZWd/9lP06qRoilZsMOdIMuMzepQnZ8M=; Message-ID: <373710.48428.qm@web24303.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:16:16 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <520925.20129.qm@web45307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <_Q4HED.A._pC.hx_dKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:16:17 +0000 (UTC) or the ones that thing if u use a capo on the guitar it means you cannot pl= ay;-)=0A=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A--- Tim Nelson schrieb am Mo, 3.8.2009:=0A=0A> Von: Tim Nelson =0A> Betreff: Re: anti-looper bigots=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com=0A> Datum: Montag, 3. August 2009, 16:22=0A> =0A> Yeah, they usu= ally hang out with the "Modal tuning is=0A> CHEATING" crowd...=0A> =0A>=0A= =0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:31:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7EDD3BEDF; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=G7R5IXBsYZ6ZPmeCwN5OPzh9zKA9kbfGL5Y/87gonKU=; b=OYYez5uhDVmEddwYbShabLIg1tYI74xh8xD6Wv5ZzuyLQeBpBkvSG1KxznN4HwYRwg P9UySqnQas6LeCG8xbHmNBq95aCEcanqGaSrRbF5djwT/AEBaNl5wrLvPtmPN8gF+Pus S0942QoNig9uYWiL4qD2poEcVhYj4siCcMoO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=vqpi1ubgngGekt1dzzB1xFdiv+5DbLz2W1d/LSl6gs7jb2Y7CLI5qkxnjl6CzM6fcl 7b8VqJ49d6dptomm1pXRetB3+diz6llSrQSUZVhXVRakJcfJ42+sts4lkc36JmJGNEtk +DAWpJ5mAJh3QVbMhEZZYffg/BaAyO9Kk46p8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 05:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60908040231ubb93161re6cef58a2e19da34@mail.gmail.com> Subject: past/coming up virtual gigspam: live on uStream - Sunday Morning at 11 August 9 From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5ab4086300904704d8e73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:31:54 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5ab4086300904704d8e73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished posting archive highlights from my July 26th live uStream webcast *Sunday Morning at 11*. This one was my most 'looped' show to date. The clips are up on my showpage at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/Sunday-Morning-at-11. Also, this weekend *Sunday, August 9, at 2pm EST*, I'm doing the next episode of *Sunday Morning at **11*, this one special in that it's going to be another duo show. In addition to Chinapainting, I have a secondary duo project called East of Where with drummer/'found' percussionist * Will Romano*. I've worked with Will since we met in 2000. East of Where has grown/shrunk since then and has steadily evolved to a improvisatory duo since 2004. Will performed with me at the Boise Experimental Music Festival as a Kyber performer in 2008, has guested with Daryl and I in Chinapainting and appeared on the recent CT-Collective project CD ReUse . Will is also a music journalist having authored two excellent bioographies on Back Beat press, one on bluesman Hubert Sumlinand the other on legendary Jimmy Reed . Please note that due to scheduling and logistics we will be doing this episode of Sunday morning in the afternoon instead of it's regular latter morning time. Also due to conflicting with friend/fellow LD'er Matt [Stevens] set, we will be doing our uStream set at 2pm EST. So here in the northeastern timezone catch us at 2pm then stick around for Matt at 3pm. Show times around the globe for Sunday Morning are * 11am PST, 12pm MST, 1pm CST, **2pm EST** , 7pm UK, 8pm western Europe, 3am Japan*. For exact times check http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Thanks and we look forward to 'connecting' with you this Sunday at 2pm EST. Jim ReUse, an introspective textural aural www.myspace.com/CtReUse music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5ab4086300904704d8e73 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just finished posting archive highlights from my July 26th live uStream w= ebcast Sunday Morning at 11. =A0This one was my most 'looped'= ; show to date. =A0The clips are up on my showpage at http://www.ustr= eam.tv/channel/Sunday-Morning-at-11.

Also, this weekend Sunday, August 9, at 2pm EST, I'm do= ing the next episode=A0of=A0Sunday=A0Morning=A0at=A011,=A0thi= s=A0one special=A0in=A0that=A0it's=A0going=A0to=A0be=A0another=A0duo=A0= show. =A0In=A0addition=A0to=A0Chinapainting,=A0I=A0have a secondary duo=A0p= roject=A0called=A0East=A0of=A0Where=A0with=A0drummer/'found'=A0perc= ussionist=A0Will=A0Romano.=A0=A0I've=A0worked=A0with=A0Will=A0si= nce=A0we=A0met=A0in=A02000.=A0=A0East=A0of=A0Where=A0has=A0grown/shrunk=A0since=A0then=A0and=A0has= =A0steadily=A0evolved to a=A0improvisatory=A0duo=A0since=A02004.=A0=A0Will= =A0performed=A0with=A0me at the=A0Boise=A0Experimental=A0Music=A0Festival= =A0as=A0a=A0Kyber=A0performer=A0in=A02008, has guested with Daryl and I in = Chinapainting and=A0appeared=A0on the=A0recent=A0CT-Collective=A0project=A0= CD=A0ReUse. =A0Will is also = a music journalist having authored two excellent bioographies on Back Beat = press, one on bluesman Hubert Sumlin and the other on legendary Jimmy Reed.

Please=A0note=A0that=A0due=A0to=A0scheduling=A0and=A0lo= gistics=A0we=A0will=A0be=A0doing=A0this=A0episode=A0of=A0Sunday=A0morning= =A0in=A0the=A0afternoon=A0instead=A0of=A0it's=A0regular=A0latter=A0morn= ing=A0time.=A0=A0Also=A0due=A0to=A0conflicting=A0with=A0friend/fellow=A0LD&= #39;er=A0Matt=A0[Stevens]=A0set,=A0we=A0will=A0be=A0doing=A0our=A0uStream= =A0set=A0at=A02pm=A0EST.=A0=A0So=A0here=A0in=A0the=A0northeastern=A0timezon= e=A0catch=A0us=A0at=A02pm=A0then=A0stick=A0around=A0for=A0Matt=A0at=A03pm.<= /div>

Show=A0times=A0around=A0the=A0globe=A0for=A0Sunday=A0Mo= rning=A0are=A011am=A0PST,=A012pm=A0MST,=A01pm=A0CST,=A02pm=A0E= ST,=A07pm=A0UK,=A08pm=A0western=A0Europe,=A03am=A0Japan.=A0= =A0For=A0exact=A0times=A0check=A0http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Thanks and we look forward to 'connecting' with= you this Sunday at 2pm EST.

Jim
--001636c5ab4086300904704d8e73-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:40:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA4B3BEE6; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1249378823; bh=0zfin/GP2qdIoY0/yzSSTJ27I2LWlTU3HGG6wWEV898=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ly7YUS5k7tDyNrUl90ZXxFZ9m8swoiuwSa9fofFFRlXskCIMm52F9GY4DFOQRnZH3Y+YCEFNVHCYNjmvlNY2zOPq5RT88XuUpYiHPQhqo7WMeTLyjMZu7Uhi1aZ+f1pDbOijIOWG0kliw9o8G8CMJxNmwtTFOC89Eexow5RgrK8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ql68gzP+EM4cALX5bVGGRK/FpbqKdHJIEAvY46vUBdN7g4xX6yoQvjVU43wFDs8sTXeRl2yDzMn6IQ9FIK1tfm2VoWD7buiuSYABWpBIyZF0YbeSWynfqBgbi3HesutPdsBpSIv0uugV8MR25bewFhgYRe2mEcIlU/24JuMLbOU=; Message-ID: <82179.96661.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ERR:encrypt:no_context X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:40:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "L.Angulo" Subject: Re: Hi Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7EBD03E5CE4B41A28FD398BEACA52251@a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Pete,=0AI second Rcikys recomendation the DL4 i still use it as well,it = also has the bonus of being a delay modeler so you can put a delay in your = voice and loop it,there are stereo inputs so you can loop your voice and an= other instrument if u wish, check out some of the Gene videos he does an am= azing job with it.=0Acheers=0ALuis=0Awww.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A= --- Ricky Graham schrieb am So, 2.8.2009:= =0A=0A> Von: Ricky Graham =0A> Betreff: Re= : Hi Loopers=0A> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0A> Datum: Sonntag= , 2. August 2009, 11:49=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> I'd recom= mend the Line=0A> 6 DL4. I started with it, =0A> and I still use it today.= =0A> =A0=0A> Ricky=0A> =0A> =A0=0A> ----- Original Message=0A> ----- = =0A> From: =0A> Petepong =0A> Phasukyud =0A> To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com=0A> =0A> =0A> Sent: Sunday, August=0A> 02, 2009 6:12 = =0A> PM=0A> Subject: Hi=0A> Loopers=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> = =0A> =0A> I'm a newbie looper interes= ter.=0A> =0A> Now I'm =0A> looking for some looper to exper= iment some=0A> voice (I'm a =0A> singer)=0A> =0A> I saw RC5= 0 , RC20 , Gibson EDP , Jamman , Akai =0A> Headrush E2=0A> = =0A> I don't know which one suit for me.=0A> =0A> I =0A> ju= st wanna get something not too expensive=0A> and can try many loop =0A> = as I can (,y only instrument I'm gonna=0A> use is my voice) = =0A> recording my songs - transfer to computer=0A> or recor= d to computer. =0A> Haven't think too live performance=0A> = yet.=0A> =0A> Can you guys =0A> suggest me? I have no idea = =0A> .=0A> =0A> Pete=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>= No virus found in this incoming message.=0A> Checked by AVG - =0A> www.a= vg.com =0A> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.41/2277 - Release=0A>= =0A> Date: 08/02/09 05:56:00=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:46:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886123BEE4; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A780460.2020903@dehnhard.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:50:24 +0200 From: Tilmann Dehnhard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: cases References: <7334ca1b0908031535k7384642ew3b6fecff44226ab8@mail.gmail.com> <001701ca14ad$8b440930$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> <000a01ca14b2$15684690$b7802245@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VnEHIVbDK9WjrK6fSF9f8bCtlQJw50L2Vetq teDYrI3fQc+nbA6KB2MMZqMc303eXPQpdeVn4SznbB/X5wYPJl FYhIO+EzotNCqkPZhqVxTQEknhMCqDb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:46:28 +0000 (UTC) if you ever need a custom made case for wind instruments or anything else, check out howard wiseman's cases. this man is a genius. he has a tetris kind of mind. i just had my five flutes (from piccolo to contrabassflute) including stand fitted into a ridiulously small case. i can carry it easily on my shoulder, so finally i could give my old tank of a flightcase a good kick into the corner of my practice room (it's for sale, by the way - and cheap...). here's the link: http://www.wisemancases.com/ tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 09:59:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B285B3BEDB; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3606 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:59:00 UTC Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090804083434.478403BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20090804083434.478403BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots / Miles & Teo From: looppool@cruzio.com To: "Rev Fever" Cc: loopers-delight@loopersdelight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3B8sQ.A.H2D.kZAeKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:59:00 +0000 (UTC) the Rev Fevers wrote: "I wonder how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo Marcero employed a lot of looping in the over all creation of Bitches Brew,etc. Speaking of that, here is some inspirational reading. Enjoy... http://milesite.blogspot.com/2009/02/teo-macero-on-producing-miles-davis.html thanks for that, Rev. On that same site is a wonderful interview with Herbie Hancock about his time playing with Miles with some cool anecdotes. Andy you know, I"ve been thinking about this: A lot of people have credited Miles (under the influence of Bill Evans) for ushering in the modal approach and, effectively putting a period on the post-bop movement. His think was that is the band played modally that the soloist would then have more freedom to control the harmony (whereas before, it was always the chordalists who dictated the harmony to the soloists) In a way, by introducing tape loops on 'In a Silent Way' (neglected as the predecessor and I feel, the superior record to the more famous "Bitches Brew") he was doing the same thing to the percussionists. By introducing a static loop that held down the groove, in essence, the percussionists and drummers were free to explore more. You really hear this too as the fusion movement came out of these records: percussion became vastly more adventuresome, especially in terms of the varied timbres that multi-percussionists began to bring into the music. Texture became as important as rhythm or style. That's one of the things that I try to explain when I go to the fairly conservative Percussion Arts Seminar annual conventions (called PASIC). Most people assume that a constantly repeating thing is a limitation, when in reality it's amazingly liberating as a multi-instrumentalist or as a multi-percussionist. Typically, as a groove oriented drummer for most of my life, I have had to hold down the fort with a groove. I could hear amazing things in my head as embellishments to the rhythm but , as I always told my students: 'There is the groove and there is commentary on the groove and when you are commenting on the groove you are not playing the groove.' The only way to get around this successfully is to pay a groove for long enough that when you veer from it with a fill or embellishment, that the listener hears the groove continuing do to the depth of it's trance. In successful pop drumming, as a rule, you tend not to want to use any more than a 1/16 ratio of fill to groove. And that's playing a lot of fills...........(that's a one bar fill every four bars or up to a one bar fill every sixteen bars, which is pretty over the top in a pop song). So, yeah to Miles and Teo!!!!! original jazz loopers! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 10:05:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A233BEEE; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xIyA0k7Ue9X1TYCTv7APcCruscdJge0LuAynoTKx4ik=; b=juUaqjwbWtxRiS6WiihIUoxGUgwRxAbt4DECytbh0PkSofnbe32rinFFRmE+Bg2OT/ snhgjp4exKESFRegDAT22a8E7mwCA6lx2VMO/XuGvgmGQslfNj851JvY2A/5MxIDM+RR KqQghah40S/O9e6lkbfykevJUHqGqYXzOIvhU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TPJEIUJ1p7KojsX/fFeTcfP/k3uZ4t8aSw/p3Th74R3HAm6YBVFemDxM71Qc9tjN/B AkC5vMSuKRHjyzswcBLtZRNpBI5rEj9MfHE8hi54x1jDYxvruagp9NRIXwhkrVnEkCJJ fanj+KBdYIwzCtPG0V71gpQ9BtGAPuc0FjDAU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <66f9cc1e0908031104g4500670ck22d0362eb77e60ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:05:35 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908040305iaf129e4tdb14717e282d30cd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:05:40 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Mech wrote: > I've had guitar- and wind-controllers since the '80s. =C2=A0And in terms = of > expressiveness, I really prefer both of them over traditional > keyboard-controllers. =C2=A0There's an organic quality that's a lot more > difficult to get if you're dealing with an interface that's not much more > than a glorified set of buttons. I too have owned a MIDI guitar since the 80's and an AKAI EWI4000s since 2006. Needless to say I prefer the EWI for all synth playing. Never use the MIDI guitar, except as electric guitar. When patching around with MIDI arpeggiator stuff I rarely bother to turn on a piano style keyboard because it is faster to simply play the notes on the computer keyboard :-)) With Logic 9 you can pop in a mic and whistle a melody and have it converted to MIDI - or push a button to have it chopped up into audio samples and transformed into a sampler instrument patch plus a MIDI sequence to drive sound. I generally think all kinds of cheating inspires great music! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 10:07:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9D03BEF7; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h764Us2OrNUn3ZxpulkuMyUSH9Ce/nK1cYTQsVm0AEU=; b=Hb2bgytFp7+RGkNO2D0zTYLzsUGoscY+rpJB6X1j6xE9XEB4bzhKA5BJVFgbng7+Hu Eob+4YyrT7+X31qj6ydwgTL1RPX3KlMDQw1uLVJgOo7bjWhL4tOmu2xgstXYKX8wZnzs RWOxZpT+iWlwc4oy7HNBp5O6S+WWwHFiWqsBM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lxHhKlufzvUjw/jiRHAiOHNJETedOh/08t5nGohrvUJ94N9WvAHTd8X8YeUtW/wQKS NlWSQow1YE1Jjg1WytB6hu3xnxga3yskOYqbnzkErNtgG8aLwcW2sNUa6Rr5eXz5SPn4 VQTGe1B5A020w1BUnKcRQhoRHTbTyhH93yI64= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A77EDEF.6050409@tiscali.co.uk> References: <001301ca1462$aaad38f0$0201a8c0@Toshiba> <4A77EDEF.6050409@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:07:17 +0200 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0908040307u66beed99o5f9f35e7ad5dd26a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Sonuus Guitar to Midi From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:07:18 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, andy butler wrote: > andy > ps. =C2=A0Per, the Sonuus is *mono* Oh, that's bad. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 11:15:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D44883BE89; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:15:50 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <891696.76216.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090804111550.104550@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <891696.76216.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RE: Boss looper contest in Germany To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+mXVkX/U+macGN4sGTOjR8PJVa2Y9dOvtRBYYxny hVnngRvvUDYNFSbn1zC/P5opse7c5w64y1gA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: VS9Ke+MAIydmHIx+j2ZrudxSa2FkZpUI X-FuHaFi: 0.79 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis > I guess what turns me off about this boss loopers is the fuction of trying > to correct your timing What do you mean with correcting your timing? The only feature I'm aware of is quantize to another loop tempo. But all other loopers have this feature, too. best regards Buzap -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 12:32:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3143BE8B; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <117653A7A73F479888D7CF6EF911C391@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000b01c9f669$e035a1e0$d5852245@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Ustream show vid Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:32:20 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:32:23 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jeff Duke" >I have posted this video of my Ustream show last Saturday. This is a low >quality screen capture from Ninjam tv. They had carried the show and when I >screwed up and didn't record it myself I obtained this. > http://www.vimeo.com/5308400 > Hi again folks, Another nice piece. I love the visuals, despite your apologizing for the lo-fi effect it's not jerky visually either. Gotta get my broadband above its current state, hopefully this week! Stephen Goodman * http://www.vimeo.com/spgoodman http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 4 12:49:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AD363BE88; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 237196560/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.234.61/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.234.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiABAJPLd0pPTuo9/2dsb2JhbAAI1GGEGAWKFg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,321,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="237196560" Message-ID: <4A7831EC.500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:04:44 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: anti-looper bigots / Miles & Teo References: <20090804083434.478403BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:49:08 +0000 (UTC) looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > the Rev Fevers wrote: > "I wonder how they felt when they later found out that he and Teo Marcero > employed a lot of looping in the over all creation of Bitches Brew,etc. > Speaking of that, here is some inspirational