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Hello,=A0

I have bee= n on and off list for some years, and have a slightly off topic question= about saving data from my midi controller and effects unit.=A0

I have two pieces of equipment: =A0= a Rocktron Prophesy and an All Access Midi Controller..=A0

I would like to save the settings from th= ese two pieces of equipment, should I ever need to reprogram the equipment= ...or should

I ever need to replace them.= =A0

My question is:=A0

I= sn't there a way I can connect from the MIDI out of these devices, directl= y to my =A0computer (Mac), and thus save the
information directly on= my laptop? =A0Thereby allowing me to load the data in the future directly= from my laptop?
=A0=A0
If so...what hardware and software would I= need for this? I am looking for economical, and able to travel easily....= my concern is having to
re-program on the road. =A0

Thank you= in advance,
Donovan Stokes=A0

PS: =A0Also, if you are in near Penn State on Thursday, June 11 at 2 pm= I am doing a loop based concert at the Pavillion Theatre.=A0

--=_8E606324.08E0.4EBA.A3C9.B5C808F1FD65@aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 2 22:02:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE443BE75; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a9822e9b-b866-4025-8340-5502f6eac55e_" X-Originating-IP: [81.226.150.143] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Antwerp Loopfest - video Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:02:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2009 22:02:41.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9A156C0:01C9E3CD] Resent-Message-ID: <63CbhC.A.4WD.CGaJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:02:42 +0000 (UTC) --_a9822e9b-b866-4025-8340-5502f6eac55e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds really good=2C I enjoy it a lot. Is it totally improvised or do you = have "songs" or anything preconceived to start from? =20 Thanks for a lot of enjoyable listning.. =20 Anders www.soundclick.com/andersbergdahl =20 > Date: Tue=2C 2 Jun 2009 20:31:11 +0100 > Subject: Antwerp Loopfest - video > From: os@collective.co.uk > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hi=2C >=20 > the Darkroom set from the Antwerp Loopfest is here: > http://vimeo.com/4960054 >=20 > NB this isn't the official video - it's footage I took on my own > camcorder=2C mixed with audio I recorded on my laptop. I imagine the > official video will be much higher quality! >=20 > We played three pieces=2C each about 8 minutes long. >=20 > Play loud! Especially the last bit. >=20 > Also photos (of everyone=2C not just Darkroom) are here: > http://www.flickr.com/groups/antwerp_loopfest_2009/ >=20 >=20 > cheers=2C > os. >=20 > --=20 > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ >=20 --_a9822e9b-b866-4025-8340-5502f6eac55e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds really good=2C I enjoy it a lot. Is it totally improvised or do you = have "songs" or anything preconceived to start from?
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>=3B Date: Tue=2C 2 Jun 2009 20:31:11 +010= 0
>=3B Subject: Antwerp Loopfest - video
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>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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>= =3B Hi=2C
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>=3B the Darkroom set from the Antwerp Loopfest i= s here:
>=3B http://vimeo.com/4960054
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>=3B NB this isn= 't the official video - it's footage I took on my own
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>=3B offic= ial video will be much higher quality!
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>=3B We played three= pieces=2C each about 8 minutes long.
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>=3B Play loud! Espec= ially the last bit.
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>=3B os@collective.co.uk
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= --_a9822e9b-b866-4025-8340-5502f6eac55e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jun 2 22:30:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D51F03BE77; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 656 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:30:58 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <620090.62304.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <620090.62304.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Bearpark Subject: Re: Antwerp Loopfest - video Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 23:19:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=U0HbiYByEwKZdCRmKb4A:9 a=mW0qgQSRn8xZkm4qhyHCCdt0Qf4A:4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 22:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stephen, As it's a list for consenting adults, I can explain... ... it's a bubble machine. Seriously. Without the bubbles though. Basically a foam rubber fan... highly recommended! Anders, there was a plan for who'd start each segment, suggested key +bpm, and Os - who loops the guitar - had some effects chains set up. But apart from that, nothing prepared. Big thank-you to Sjaak for giving us the opportunity! The setting definitely helped. Mike On 2 Jun 2009, at 21:07, Stephen Scott wrote: > > Without wishing to appear naive or stupid (but probably appearing > both naive and stupid simultaneously), is that really a vibrator > that Michael is using to excite his strings during that last piece? > > Stephen > www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 00:07:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97EA3BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <09D1173F.7EA9.45C8.B908.00495833EF5B@aol.com> References: <09D1173F.7EA9.45C8.B908.00495833EF5B@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:07:11 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Preset Dump/Midi Saving? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2Mi11C.A.zfE.26bJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 00:07:18 +0000 (UTC) At 5:08 PM -0400 6/2/09, donearlsto wrote: > >I have two pieces of equipment: a Rocktron Prophesy and an All >Access Midi Controller.. >I would like to save the settings from these two pieces of equipment.... > >Isn't there a way I can connect from the MIDI out of these devices, >directly to my computer (Mac), and thus save the information >directly on my laptop? Thereby allowing me to load the data in the >future directly from my laptop? Well, the good news is: Yes, this is fairly common. What you're referring to is called a SysEx Dump. You simply connect your device via MIDI to your computer, begin recording on your sequencing program, and start the dump. Your sequencer will record it just as any other MIDI, and then you can play back the dump to restore the patches to your device. The bad news is: SysEx Dump HAS TO BE SUPPORTED FROM THE HARDWARE DEVICE. Since you'd be initiating the dump from your Prophesy or All Access, either/both of those two devices have to support SysEx. Many devices, especially controllers, don't bother with dump support. You're going to need to pore through the manuals for your MIDI controllers. Search for anything referring to System Exclusive (SysEx) information. If you can find something on this, you've just taken the first step toward accomplishing your task. Likewise, if you can't find anything, then you're most likely going to have to do it the hard way: with a pencil and paper, writing down all your settings for each patch. Ganbatte! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 01:35:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805093BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EqhWrTs8T8m+NmlECQX7VTfGq9lGpCyMRfvKoaxdhcA=; b=Kyv/7+7KRGBsU2JacDx3f7v53oNcbhXoD/jUXNxRv8aAoiOyqp4jZ6ntnwMTwGMsvq k0jQFrd8yrHt8wPNSbfWXdg960sr2NLPiOuavTpBGmVlrBHwEtR5kuOAOzxmJE34jqfo sNwhd2yVRexsmqfwBt2NXpL+FW51rc3F20vfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NsuNDZnqGY0i5nqv7h8N9r8+d8hI9kY6BuOZlhiXoLEaAOhdXGG5SDnsoWznWhWReW uY6o5rjItZtBoXh6OX8+cQdIfpI3vZ1NEIY5aVlfXzqBEg8qY4lXeGSfkRGG3mAkVJgK Ex3x+EMFMQm9woKSci2nwbx3qzMmgFvtzd05I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 18:35:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: blech (pedal choices) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:35:53 +0000 (UTC) So, I'm idly looking into expanding my looping setup, since I'm starting to feel the limits of the looper in my Line 6 DL-4. (Mostly that 15 seconds at normal speed is too short.) So I just spent an hour looking at what else is out there and I'm feeling a bit discouraged. What I'm looking for in a looper: --Simple & easy to use. --at least 30 seconds of looping time --Lets me pick start and end points while recording. (Will not try to autocorrect my timing, or make me choose loop length before I start.) --Reverse function --Half Speed function (or even better - a speed dial!) --Lets me choose # of repeats when not infinite. --Will not drive up the cost of the pedal with stuff I'll never use. --smaller than a hardcover book As far as I can tell, this does not exist. The closest I find is a DL-4, which is very easy to use, but as I mentioned, the looping time is short and I can't control the # of repeats. It's also heavy enough that I don't want to walk around with 2 of them. I'm pretty disappointed in the concept of the Line 6 JM-4. It costs more and doesn't appear to offer more of the stuff I want. Instead it offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which frankly I find insulting. Has anyone used one of these? If you don't store loops, how long can a live loop be? Can you get rid of all the dumb preset tracks? Is it otherwise as simple as the DL-4? How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? Not looking for rack mounts, software or large pedal boards. I have to fit all my gear in a rolling suitcase on public transit. 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Please write back if interested.Contact Via Email: mike_loanoffer009@yahoo.com.hk Thanks ________________________________________________ Esta mensagem foi enviada usando NeoMail - O Webmail da Neobiz. http://www.neobiz.com.br From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 01:52:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685833BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:52:24 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 01:52:30 +0000 (UTC) At 12:48 PM +0100 6/2/09, Simeon Harris wrote: > >i really like the plugins in Live and i'd like to use them in >conjunction with my favourite AU plugins to replace my rack of fx Sim, I see you've gotten some fine advice from Os (I'll especially concur with his recommendation for turning plugs on/off to save CPU). Here's another $.02. I've been using Live as my primary host for quite some time, since Live 4. (I keep attempting to get away from it. But every time I find an alternative, I put it through a CPU usage test and Live beats it. By now, I've almost given up trying.) I took Live's racks through their paces a couple of software revisions ago, then chucked the idea. I'm not saying that's what you should do, but here's my alternate approach. As always, YMMV. :) I use almost all my effects in Send/Return channels. Why? Because I frequently swap around the order of many effects, and found that shoehorning that functionality into a rack was a pain. I later abandoned racks entirely. The brilliant thing about the Return channels is that each of these channels contains the same Sends as an Input channel strip. So you can feed one Return channel into any of the next channels. I then turn effects routings on or off by simply using CC messages to control the Send amounts on each channel (0 for off; 128 for full on; and anything in between). Of course, if I'm not using an effect, I'll also send a parallel message to turn it off completely, to save CPU. Additionally, at the end of the row, I'll create one extra Send/Return with no effects on it whatsoever. I'll turn all the channels to pre-fader, with the exception of this channel and the Master. I can then use this channel as a pre-mix sub to tap the output of any other channel before it goes to the next in the chain. For some reason, it often seems easier to use this than juggle the track fader on the input channel. So I'll usually put the input channel to "Sends Only" and use this to mix the dry signal too. You've got a great deal of flexibility with this architecture, IMNSHO. Not only can you switch the effects order on the fly, you can also split and recombine effect chains at any point on the fly (you want both delay and reverb on a line without 'delay --> reverb' or 'reverb --> delay'? Easy.) As I mentioned above, you can tap any effect into the final mix at any point, too, and in any proportion. Don't forget, these are knobs, not switches. You don't have to use 100% on or off for any effect, but rather mix the amount you want very easily in real time. The other advantage of this (which isn't immediately obvious) is that you can also set up feedback chains. You can mix a portion of an effect back into itself to thicken of effect it further. Live's reverb, for instance, is wonderful. I love it. However, you can hear it become even more lush by feeding about 20% of its input back into itself. Although I probably need to mention watching your levels here, or the effect can run away with you. Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to control the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. You can come up with some wild synchronized effects by using clips to blast audio into different effects on different beats. Or, you can come up with some insane tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send on and off faster than you could ever humanly work a foot pedal. And of course you don't really have to limit yourself to one effect per channel. If, for instance, you *always* use a compressor with a particular delay, you might as well marry them together on one channel. Doing it this way made it easier for me to control; at least to my little dinosaur brain. This was not for any real added functionality (you can access everything just as easily in racks as like this). But I could look over and *see* most of what was happening. Racks just seemed to obscure too much information for my liking. So, that's one suggestion. I just find this architecture easier and more transparent than jerking around with racks. Perhaps you may consider a hybrid too, with both racks and Send/Return paths. This is merely what worked best for me, but it is one more option to think about. --m. -- _____ "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 02:09:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48CB3BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=0F2BEdMf1qRKKz6IYDvP6ETafMEjPXpGMLfgI0x9QA8=; b=SpajJUT+q6AHiab+2NyVjk2zSdewX1yqcBZIXM7TUMuGcxuuBlZniHZsOQ8wjsvFfu 6r9x5hGt/AF27J8Eju5c31wVUMUivUSi1wa737kW1SDeiLQVffFLimnnsX8E97/jOKZf nNg5LP2+s38mFder8lhUx2/1b9kE8pJdCbsF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=RF5XAoMDsurCwaW0CPD9c5bce3Noi2xHMqmnONpRvu13+rAvB90RJXvAzwD8eu8EcV Hvk5DDvzzuOG2jUI/nTmDF7FtcOOymB1IdrLRJMvhaxkkL3GcZ5kcniUj1ZE5EQD76Px PtWWQeeDoDlzrOSOd0J5zqAhZ4TEQ5k5QsaBk= Message-Id: <3DBF9592-6A4B-48F2-A7D9-84972879FEAB@gmail.com> From: RP Collier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--600204848 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:09:27 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:09:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--600204848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 2, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if > you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? The original RC-20 lists the phrase limit as 5 min 30 sec. It has reverse but no half speed. I have seen them selling used at good prices. They are solid and sturdy but this makes them rather heavy. regards BobC http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier5 --Apple-Mail-7--600204848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Jun 2, 2009, = at 6:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? = How long of a loop can you get if
you don't store anything? Does it = have half speed/reverse?

The = original RC-20 lists the phrase limit as 5 min 30 = sec.

It has reverse but no half speed.

I have = seen them selling used at good prices.

They are solid = and sturdy but this makes them rather = heavy.

regards

BobC

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= --Apple-Mail-7--600204848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 02:13:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1992B3BE7E; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:12:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Preset Dump/Midi Saving? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Pantomime 1.2.0) From: donearlsto To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pantomime (ADM 559) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_9493A65D.2932.4625.AB06.BCB4EDD655C7@aol.com" X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --=_9493A65D.2932.4625.AB06.BCB4EDD655C7@aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks,=A0 Both devices support SysEx and can Dump, and also Load....mostly what I am= wondering about is what hardware (some sort of midi interface) and Mac So= ftware I could use.=A0 Any ideas on these two fronts? Thank you,=A0 Donovan=A0 On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:07:11 PM, Mech wrote: From: Mech Subject: Re: Preset Dump/Midi Saving? Date: June 2, 2009 8:07:11 PM EDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com At 5:08 PM -0400 6/2/09, donearlsto wrote: > >I have two pieces of equipment: a Rocktron Prophesy and an All=A0 >Access Midi Controller.. >I would like to save the settings from these two pieces of equipment.... > >Isn't there a way I can connect from the MIDI out of these devices,=A0 >directly to my computer (Mac), and thus save the information=A0 >directly on my laptop? Thereby allowing me to load the data in the=A0 >future directly from my laptop? Well, the good news is: Yes, this is fairly common. What you're=A0 referring to is called a SysEx Dump. You simply connect your device=A0 via MIDI to your computer, begin recording on your sequencing=A0 program, and start the dump. Your sequencer will record it just as=A0 any other MIDI, and then you can play back the dump to restore the=A0 patches to your device. The bad news is: SysEx Dump HAS TO BE SUPPORTED FROM THE HARDWARE=A0 DEVICE. Since you'd be initiating the dump from your Prophesy or All=A0 Access, either/both of those two devices have to support SysEx. Many=A0 devices, especially controllers, don't bother with dump support. You're going to need to pore through the manuals for your MIDI=A0 controllers. Search for anything referring to System Exclusive=A0 (SysEx) information. If you can find something on this, you've just=A0 taken the first step toward accomplishing your task. Likewise, if you can't find anything, then you're most likely going=A0 to have to do it the hard way: with a pencil and paper, writing down=A0 all your settings for each patch. Ganbatte! --m. --=A0 _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of=A0 murder... later" --=_9493A65D.2932.4625.AB06.BCB4EDD655C7@aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks,=A0

Both devic= es support SysEx and can Dump, and also Load....mostly what I am wondering= about is what hardware (some sort of midi interface) and Mac Software I= could use.=A0

Any ideas on these two fronts?

Thank you,=A0

Donovan=A0

On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:07:11 PM, Me= ch <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

From: ">Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
Subject: Re: Preset Dump/Midi Saving?
Date: June 2, 2009 8:07:11 PM EDT
= To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com
At 5:08 PM -0400 6/2/09, donearlsto wrote:>
>I have two pieces of equipment: a Rocktron Prophesy and an= All=A0
>Access Midi Co= ntroller..
>I would like to save the settings from these two pieces= of equipment....
>
>Isn't there a way I can connect from the= MIDI out of these devices,=A0
>directly to my computer (Mac), and thus save the information=A0
>directly on my laptop?= Thereby allowing me to load the data in the=A0
>future directly from my laptop?

Well, the= good news is: Yes, this is fairly common. What you're=A0
referring to is called a SysEx Dump. You= simply connect your device=A0
via MIDI to your computer, begin recording on your sequencing=A0
program, and start the dump.= Your sequencer will record it just as=A0
any other MIDI, and then you can play back the dump to res= tore the=A0
patches to you= r device.

The bad news is: SysEx Dump HAS TO BE SUPPORTED FROM THE= HARDWARE=A0
DEVICE. Since= you'd be initiating the dump from your Prophesy or All=A0
Access, either/both of those two devices= have to support SysEx. Many=A0
devices, especially controllers, don't bother with dump support.
=
You're going to need to pore through the manuals for your MIDI=A0
controllers. Search for anythi= ng referring to System Exclusive=A0<= /span>
(SysEx) information. If you can find something on this, you've= just=A0
taken the first= step toward accomplishing your task.

Likewise, if you can't find= anything, then you're most likely going=A0
to have to do it the hard way: with a pencil and paper,= writing down=A0
all your= settings for each patch.

Ganbatte!

--m.
--=A0
_____
"I want to keep you alive= so there is always the possibility of=A0
murder... later"

Thank you!

On Jun 2, 2009, at 10:43:27 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

From:	Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
Subject:	Re: Preset Dump/Midi Saving?
Date:	June 2, 2009 10:43:27 PM EDT
To:	Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

At 10:12 PM -0400 6/2/09, donearlsto wrote:
>
>Both devices support SysEx and can Dump, and also Load....mostly 
>what I am wondering about is what hardware (some sort of midi 
>interface) and Mac Software I could use.

You're 90% there!

For hardware, any decent USB MIDI interface should work just fine. 
I've used an M-Audio Uno in the past, and it didn't set me back any 
more than $50 new.  Also, if you're looking at doing any other music 
on the computer, most controller keyboards have built-in MIDI 
interfaces that you could use too.

As far as software, most of the decent commercial products (Cubase, 
Logic) handle SysEx without issue.  That's probably a bit of 
overkill, though.  I'd see if any of those aforementioned interfaces 
come bundled with a "light" copy of a sequencer.  (Aside: I've not 
used Ableton for SysEx dumps, so I don't know if their Live Lite 
version -- which comes bundled everywhere -- would work properly.)

Or, you might pick up a copy of Computer Music magazine.  There 
should be a Mac compatible sequencer on the program DVD that comes 
with it, and I'd be surprised if it didn't support System Exclusive.

Personally, I've got a demo copy of Rondo, from fracturedSoftware. 
It's a bit of a pain, because you need to pick the functions you want 
to demo upon program boot each time.  But I only go through SysEx 
dumps, like, once a year; maybe not even that much.  So I've never 
bothered to move beyond the demo.  Works okay for me.

Hope that helps!

    --m.
-- 
_____
"the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, M= ech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

At 12:48 PM +0100 6/2/09, Simeon Harris wrote:

i really like the plugins in Live and i'd like to use them in conjuncti= on with my favourite AU plugins to replace my rack of fx

Sim,

I see you've gotten some fine advice from Os (I'll especially concu= r with his recommendation for turning plugs on/off to save CPU). Here's= another $.02.

--0016364c771916ecf0046b6d00be-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 07:58:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79D903BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CeUfc8eK+jZ38SywohUXQpxr49dR3BExCNaMVzemB0c=; b=r1ggZFfg4YO4djEnNMW3xj6d3PjT9agXtrUVfhXblKVrubbzVRGv8m/oGAiJg14gHe gWKeiEZV0OYk2EUxfvYVZtjDZZhiALLDnrFBq4P+k8+1UMa6M3Ai8i6K1yPIkMoexKp2 busbLFX+hvEu71esAgHRWZtf+mPHj4CNSO940= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=wSTJLxvXA0qMwsb0N7iw+jLVSqfF2eUCUP6FWju1BF4B5QaeGQRntVm4jFDPT+wvvh AGbbef15by59mBff9c4PgMhINdFj138oM4VJwnRbMsiHbRP8FKsWLj8zyjmWEDdHKr6X HF0i7rJTvDwvKTBy55EfaVKAwQfotrqfu8YS4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44e368750906022243u30412c05q923c1a3045d05964@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0905270846w18ee5fd7xc7c746f9ddc9f6ae@mail.gmail.com> <4A1D81AD.3090100@tiscali.co.uk> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE714ADBB3B8D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <44e368750906022243u30412c05q923c1a3045d05964@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:58:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: thinking about moving from rack to laptop...advice please! From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f2721095ae13046b6d06b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:58:34 +0000 (UTC) --001485f2721095ae13046b6d06b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lol! but yes, i agree...the combination of my g-force and eclipse is pretty mind blowing, so any sortware replacement is going to have to come up with the goods...big time... sim On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:43 AM, james fowler wrote: > i'd say keep the eventide. good luck finding anything that can even come > close to it. my heavy guitar rack sounds incredible and i firmly contend > that it can't be replicated, so there's something to be said for a piece of > hardware that does its job and does it very well. > > that having been said, i'm saving up for a receptor ; ) > > - jim > --001485f2721095ae13046b6d06b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lol! but yes, i agree...the combination of my g-force and eclipse is pretty= mind blowing, so any sortware replacement is going to have to come up with= the goods...big time...

sim

On We= d, Jun 3, 2009 at 6:43 AM, james fowler <twostroke@gmail.com> wrote:

i'd say keep = the eventide.=A0 good luck finding anything that can even come close to it.= =A0 my heavy guitar rack sounds incredible and i firmly contend that it can= 't be replicated, so there's something to be said for a piece of ha= rdware that does its job and does it very well.

that having been said, i'm saving up for a receptor ; )

- ji= m

--001485f2721095ae13046b6d06b1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 08:37:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589E83BE73; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 205825971/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.193.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.193.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsCAJPSJUpPTsGy/2dsb2JhbAAIz2SECwWIXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,297,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="205825971" Message-ID: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:49:49 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6s0UED.A.vf.1YjJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:37:09 +0000 (UTC) hi Matt, well no-one mentioned the obvious choice based on your list (Rainer, where are you? :-) Matt Davignon wrote: > So, I'm idly looking into expanding my looping setup, since I'm > starting to feel the limits of the looper in my Line 6 DL-4. (Mostly > that 15 seconds at normal speed is too short.) > > So I just spent an hour looking at what else is out there and I'm > feeling a bit discouraged. Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man (+hazari) > > What I'm looking for in a looper: > --Simple & easy to use. yep > --at least 30 seconds of looping time yep, just. in true stereo > --Lets me pick start and end points while recording. (Will not try to > autocorrect my timing, or make me choose loop length before I start.) yep, but you have to hold the tap button for the length of the loop, ...releasing it accurately isn't as easy as tap -- tap > --Reverse function yes > --Half Speed function (or even better - a speed dial!) yes, speed dial up/down an octave > --Lets me choose # of repeats when not infinite. while overdubbing. (no cheap pedal lets you set feedback while not overdubbing) > --Will not drive up the cost of the pedal with stuff I'll never use. $300 thought it would be cheaper in US :-( > --smaller than a hardcover book yes Also it has A hi-pass/lo-pass filter that works on the loop. Bad time stretching on loop. A lot of headroom. Can be used as a send/return fx (mono) if you use the right in/outs. As a delay fx it's one of the most colourful available, but there's quite some limitation in how you can combine that with the looper. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 09:07:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A23643BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 384 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:07:06 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=osgvvpXV2r953efJRdhe9BLcWqGbXHAJaqpxL8SbPhU=; b=R3QwTXu96EEeThELOnRRWA9hy3t0egJ2njl3Y9klrJQ/zfJ4ts59ydMyni6KctPZqH x/QaTxi/NYJufqQ4MJkOS8ejA40EWpMKT7NE7bplQqsYm1ApBEYhyGVOv6uEpSqwVwsi sO1AY00jWE0lBRFMitPmH0kK3uZ7ekBJeDd1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wrq7zEWePB0zG58jT7J2DutwlN24RwMotAUhpLfv7h96OCvGviiXgX1lGSO7ZehoLS wgak5zrzFdowl1vjAoI5cH3faro7bjPUW9GaxBazG3W+ZwRB6A6EL3oYIjUKyCykdHNq S1E4ZecWspqSOnuJ7095MVrUvlG56dM6042Nw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 02:00:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) From: Matt Davignon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that does sound neat. (Watched the demo at EH's site.) Does a footswitch come with the pedal, or sold separate? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Matt, > well no-one mentioned the obvious choice based on your list > (Rainer, where are you? :-) > > > Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man (+hazari) > >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 09:28:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D563BE81; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 205850983/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.193.178/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.193.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsCAIHfJUpPTsGy/2dsb2JhbAAIz2yECwWIXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,297,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="205850983" Message-ID: <4A26452A.6040400@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:40:58 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) References: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:28:17 +0000 (UTC) The only footswiches are attached to the pedal, there's no-where to connect an external switch. (would be easy enough to add a socket for an external tap switch) Matt Davignon wrote: > Wow, that does sound neat. (Watched the demo at EH's site.) Does a > footswitch come with the pedal, or sold separate? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:49 AM, andy butler wrote: >> hi Matt, >> well no-one mentioned the obvious choice based on your list >> (Rainer, where are you? :-) >> >> >> Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man (+hazari) >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 09:30:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 540EF3BE85; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8c262001-2bce-4587-82f3-6e67dc06f11c_" X-Originating-IP: [83.145.33.34] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: blech (pedal choices) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:30:01 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4A26392D.7040309@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 09:30:01.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE91AD00:01C9E42D] Resent-Message-ID: <0d3Zc.A.nVB.aKkJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:30:02 +0000 (UTC) --_8c262001-2bce-4587-82f3-6e67dc06f11c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have to agree on the EHSMM+H=2C i fooled around with it this weekend and i= t was a LOT of fun.. much more creative than the RC2 and i would imgina the= RC20 (which i have only tried in a store). Anders www.soundclick.com/andersbergdahl > From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk >=20 > hi Matt=2C > well no-one mentioned the obvious choice based on your list > (Rainer=2C where are you? :-) >=20 >=20 > Electro Harmonix Stereo Memory Man (+hazari) >=20 >= --_8c262001-2bce-4587-82f3-6e67dc06f11c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have to agree =3Bon =3B the EHSMM+H=2C i fooled around with it this= weekend and it was a LOT of fun.. much more creative than the RC2 and i wo= uld imgina the =3BRC20 (which i have =3Bonly tried in a store).

Anders
www.soundclick.com/and= ersbergdahl
>=3B From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk

>=3B
&g= t=3B hi Matt=2C
>=3B well no-one mentioned the obvious choice based on= your list
>=3B (Rainer=2C where are you? :-)
>=3B

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--Boundary_(ID_DWOSr6+u5DAoKXPF2n4Zwg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 11:46:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB9F3BE7C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6ce74603-f6af-4d1f-80e0-43bc32d2b3f6_" X-Originating-IP: [81.226.150.143] From: Anders Bergdahl To: Loopers Delight Subject: Connecting a KAOSS KP3 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:46:02 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 11:46:02.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF1D5090:01C9E440] Resent-Message-ID: <0Bn4dC.A.enD.7JmJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:46:03 +0000 (UTC) --_6ce74603-f6af-4d1f-80e0-43bc32d2b3f6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have recently got a KP3 and it's lots of fun.. BUT how to i connected to = an ordinary mixer?? I have a very simple 6 channel mixer to which I connect a microphone from m= y guitar rig (in which i have a EDP). Now i want to send that signal to the= KP3 and be able to mix in samples an loops from th KP3 as well as add effe= cts to my guitar sound. Currently i send from the FX-out on the mixer to mi= crophone in on KP3 and the from KP3 out (RCA) to a stereo channel. BUT i ge= t a lot of noise from the FX-out !! Any tips??? What would like to to is to route guitar (and later maybe other= sources) to the KP3 and the be able to mix in the KP3 in the over all soun= d... I might in the future also want to send to other effects (loopers=2C r= everbs) and be able to mix those with the live guitar signal. What would th= e best solution be?? Thanks=2C Anders --_6ce74603-f6af-4d1f-80e0-43bc32d2b3f6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have recently got a KP3 and it's lots of fun.. BUT how to i connected to = an ordinary mixer??
I have a very simple 6 channel mixer to which I connect a microphone from m= y guitar rig (in which i have a EDP). Now i want to send that signal to the= KP3 and be able to mix in samples an loops from th KP3 as well as add effe= cts to my guitar sound. Currently i send from the FX-out on the mixer to mi= crophone in on KP3 and the from KP3 out (RCA) to a stereo channel. BUT i ge= t a lot of noise from the FX-out !!
Any tips??? What would like to to is to route guitar (and later maybe other= sources) to the KP3 and the be able to mix in the KP3 in the over all soun= d... I might in the future also want to send to other effects (loopers=2C r= everbs) and be able to mix those with the live guitar signal. What would th= e best solution be??

Thanks=2C

Anders
= --_6ce74603-f6af-4d1f-80e0-43bc32d2b3f6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 12:08:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4840E3BE72; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L0v58q2254w0t4LxBD9K1LvpnuE8DZQP40USqQXuRYA=; b=RVPwXXWRn3XAqhO3E5U2mfAsm4f6kp5oZr5hnLXLM00lyWgYn1kFT+Ud8UC3Yaa9BF SvcEi9nlwklPBOyGucnX669BPajHw9Yjj3YCq/FqwAuPNSk/edRbYsuct2jO7mqWv+CO x43es3JrEQbmt8HcZYY2Rez5zAXklCTRHYCus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=L0UwxCt4vMKrUajVovRM5AKe/imBJq0roIQwEshFlMB8Pv+xJtpoGPvBVfITUsIxgH xkIB72GuTZaSHfnL51JyPS+EtcBv00tS0ZAMNRrTd50dNO2o6fnM9sHHMpG7V3xqEOHC 2374fgLdqJeMMz9CCqiLU1Q4K5XCLFgKeUeRM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:08:47 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: mastering plug ins From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, again, a stack of unsorted wisdom (and street knowledge): > Now for processing I usually sample a bit of noise and the do a noise reduction run on it. Now it's time for me to talk with tongue in cheek: if you remove the noise later, why do you add it in the first place? Reconstructive surgery is something which can be done by a mastering engineer, but is not what is the primary goal of mastering - and more importantly, it's something which will leave scars, to stick with the metaphor. Try to optimize your signal chain in the recording process to get rid of unwanted noise. One action word here is "gain structure". Another one is EQ. Noise is most of the time an issue in the high frequency band. So if you have, say, a reverb effect and you can reduce the reverb's high frequency content without affecting what you're after, then please do so. > I might also at this time adjust levels in the recording as needed. Which may or may not be a good idea. There's level adjustment before and after the compressor, and there are places where either one is appropriate. If you do it, try it (in case your software allows for it) to do it non-destructively, i.e. by using some "volume envelope" feature, not by editing the audio file. > I may or may not do some eq on it then using whatever. I am getting weak here. I try out all the other stuff but it's just at random and mostly don't like the results. Maybe a little eq works out. Ignorance is not bliss here. A few ideas I'm throwing in (at the risk that you know them already): * At all costs, use an audio app (I don't remember which you're using - was it Ardour? or Audacity?) that allows you to use the effects plugin-style and several of them at once. They will interact with each other, so to find your optimum sound, you need to tweak them in interaction. * Rules of thumb for EQ in mastering (there are exceptions to these rules, which I don't want to go into right now): * destructive EQ (e.g. highpass at 35Hz or removing an unwanted resonance with a high-q parametric) is the first step in the processing chain. It's also the only EQ (for that removing unwanted resonance) with high Q settings. * use parametric EQ, not graphic * the maximum allowed "Q" setting on your EQ is in the 0.7 range (tranlates to: the minimum bandwidth setting is 1 1/2 octaves). * an EQ setting in excess of +/-3dB means something is wrong in the mix or source material. Go fix it there. * Rules of thub for compression in mastering: * the typical number of compressors in the chain ("compressor" being the general term including limiters and clippers) is 2-3. * the limiter (a compressor with infinite ratio and minimum attack time) is always the last thing in the chain (safe for dither/noiseshape - see below). * the gain reduction of a limiter should not exceed 3dB * the gain reduction of a clipper should not exceed .5dB * a single compressor can be used to a) tame microdynamics (this is usuall done during mixing), b) tame macrodynamics, but not the same two things at once in an efficient manner. * if you adjust your source level pre-compressor (either while playing or in your mastering process), soft and loud passages will sound vastly different (especially with a fast compressor). * rule of thumb: microdynamics - short attack/release. macrodynamics - long attack/release * mastering compression time settings usually happen in the 100ms-3s range. * Level practices: when comparing the sound of two different processed versions (or comparing your stuff to a master from another source), make sure they have roughly the same loudness. First-oder rule of thumb: RMS value. Second-order rule of thumb: K-System metering. And another thing: > It's that missing thing that I am trying to improve. So let me ask "what is that thing you're trying to improve"? Take some recordings you think sound good on any system, and where you think "damn, that mastering job would sound good on my material!". Compare it to your stuff, putting them on the same level (as mentioned before, and also in private email). Try to take notes. The guitar sounds edgier? It's less boomy? Etc. Then, use those meter things. Frequency Analyzer, Meter (Peak and RMS/K-System), Phase Scope. Compare both your and their master (best, with audio turned off). Again take notes. Is it flatter/pronounced areas (how wide in octaves)? What is the relationship between peaks and RMS in different parts (soft/loud)? What is the relationship between RMS values in soft/loud portions? etc. Ok, I should start and do a web tutorial. Have you already checked out Bob Katz's online tutorial (I didn't so far, but absolutely have to!) Best, Rainer ps: did you ever check your favourite albums for the mastering credits? I find that e.g. Howie Weinberg is responsible for a lot of the really good stuff, with Bob Ludwig coming in at a close second. And there's another nice quote from Gateway Mastering (Ludwig's company): "mastering will most probably the highest per-hour in your entire project". 'nuff said... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 12:23:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719093BE80; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:23:41 UTC Message-ID: <4A266A18.101@dehnhard.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:18:32 -0500 From: Tilmann Dehnhard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) References: <003c01c9e3f6$40a0a6a0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> <004f01c9e3f7$afc859a0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <004f01c9e3f7$afc859a0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ltIrRZratfdCffr8o3qJgGThRQyMwT+GcynB i+b0umcLRnspm+nVtt/N0aTYVdNrGLeShKi7uNcADfPGlMk8RD aZj6M1jbhTGpIX5WfhkIHVVd51zhsyk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:23:42 +0000 (UTC) hey jeff, thanx for the flowers. the 2880 is my favoured multitrack looper because i can fade tracks easily. especially for endings that's very useful. tilmann Jeff Duke schrieb: > Matt, check this out. DL 4, 2880 and alot of talent! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO8bQb__jKg > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 12:54:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AB23BE7E; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1244033668; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=KuczWTp554S6FtX9MEKsvQE5oT8=; b=Jx8sIK4VkAbDuoDStCOSUNLMUsrITOUOGkWXnAJ73jT/w8QbORaVxNxpDUHrjcpD 744MGLmNT9OnjSVJpgqhOfFK1CDUtnDR9O7aVgVrFuPEL6GYtDsMXxbq2rQmnZna; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uzAMhUXJAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=n-EuDs9t9dSMd8bgpfEA:9 a=P71D8OWjLbVyMmyJFAV9UXs553YA:4 a=CLFctTkQT18A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002801c9e44a$6d9da2d0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003c01c9e3f6$40a0a6a0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> <004f01c9e3f7$afc859a0$e8e13547@YOUR08D5303051> <4A266A18.101@dehnhard.com> Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:54:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <4sG0_C.A.adF.EKnJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:54:28 +0000 (UTC) The pleasure is mine Tilmann, When my friends ask "what is looping" this is one of the examples I point them to. It never disappoints. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) > hey jeff, thanx for the flowers. the 2880 is my favoured multitrack looper > because i can fade tracks easily. especially for endings that's very > useful. > tilmann > > Jeff Duke schrieb: >> Matt, check this out. DL 4, 2880 and alot of talent! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO8bQb__jKg >> >> Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 14:55:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9663BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tfoDc5rJ4sr4zokEFRPAdpmDHuW1ZyiASdp6eEi/GRw=; b=omyh0CJX3hHR8WrskcEN+vzWbpz3ZQcVF95C/GMvvMP3kVeoHL3jOizolPTn9zLgTO jTdbxlHXisxZuWGAXgxOoyCOPqrB9e27mJxY6cTHxRnr5vHD4amyHBr4Of5A1nHP4+60 uWgbqZ+aBHnXtwKUrFdEAQjtHfEooby4yUp4g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=w6/tdIaFsznB/f5z5Beysk23x0cUkRNz3YVJOOXILqJXnZ1RHZJY5TwXsCmkTrVzqf dh/bnIZwJYHAdK2aYlbOmgP/4nl9UD59TmC0JdiGt/Ccw0nhHVgTfDTWale5yJr7SeTQ XRn3xJIHuwX+60EZzpJQ2vPWEu/5093Vv8Ofs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:55:16 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 91eab4580d6f891b Message-ID: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f0efefa16a046b72d84f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:55:17 +0000 (UTC) --00163630f0efefa16a046b72d84f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to control > the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. You can come up with > some wild synchronized effects by using clips to blast audio into different > effects on different beats. Or, you can come up with some insane > tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send on and off faster than you could > ever humanly work a foot pedal. this is brilliant. gotta try it. > > > --m. > -- > _____ > "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" > > -- Warren http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679 http://www.warrensirota.com --00163630f0efefa16a046b72d84f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to contr= ol the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. =A0You can come u= p with some wild synchronized effects by using clips to blast audio into di= fferent effects on different beats. =A0Or, you can come up with some insane= tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send on and off faster than you cou= ld ever humanly work a foot pedal.

this is brilliant. gotta try it.

=A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
--
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"we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guid= e"

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Warren
http://www.ubetoo.c= om/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6679
http://www.warrensirota.com
--00163630f0efefa16a046b72d84f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 15:06:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF183BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1244041582; bh=reP4W/aFbzsfmUGPkKEDnIrJQThbWps2fGV8QGxjZwA=; h=Date:Message-Id:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:To; b=Drzk+ndL+d9DNsY6FJDAc5Uvjox8e/GmFfIcvBH/LJ0EaVv4m4ZEJ9W/djaiWdHoO 7nr7+UvJUL0T56/xKuXz5Ht6be8DCXgFBAsf2BdmF78l+qRbMTQDAFohoYBR/ATBFT ooMEsjvLiO0Y182Wz2TMC+nY9Au2b3MsMXlVmHBU= Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:06:21 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Antwerp Loopfest - video MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.16.209.165 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <-vYvbB.A.y9.vFpJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Os, thanks for uploading the pictures and the video's, they look really g= ood. And btw: Darkroom has done a great set last saturday, I really enjoyed it. Btw: we have all arrived in Firenze and enjoyed the real stuff...Italien = pasta :) We'll soon leave for tonight's open air gig in a amphitheatro, the weather is good so it will = be a fantastic evening. --- Sjaak http://euroloopfest.com/ http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ __________________________________ Scarlet schrapt download limiet! Scarlet NO LIMIT nu slechts 19,95 EUR Ga naar www.scarlet.be voor meer info! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 15:26:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A269E3BE80; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:26:48 EDT Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c14.628bdc4a.3757f038_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 Resent-Message-ID: <6zuTmD.A.whB.0YpJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:26:44 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c14.628bdc4a.3757f038_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/2/09 9:36:01 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: > Instead it > offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which > frankly I find insulting. > don't call me frank!.....i always play with "imaginary" musicians and always in the BIG ROOM.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Shop Inspiron, Studio and XPS Laptops at Dell.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222616459x1201464730/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215218145%3B37264238%3Bd) --part1_c14.628bdc4a.3757f038_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 6/2/09 9:36:01 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:

Instead it offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which
frankly I find insulting.

don't call me frank!.....i always play with "imaginary" musicians= and always in the BIG ROOM.....:)m

"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
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www.ct-collective.com

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It's in near-mint condition. Anyone interested in buying it? I'm in northern New Jersey if you're interested in checking it out in person. Regards, Andrew Koenig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 15:51:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8953BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:51:28 UTC X-Originating-IP: [68.39.32.18] Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Electronic music festival in NJ Halloween weekend (Thu-Sat) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: <00ea01c9e461$c1b8bc80$452a3580$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcnkYcAsdgMo7U0xReSpFB+y8fJNYg== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AVun BKef BZD7 CVs3 DsaM ExmJ E8iA FU1y GgP3 HElH HVxf ILFL I8+9 I+MB Jgtb JtXI;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{CA8D7DD3-6250-42DE-AE3A-A686AF805012};YQByAGsAQABhAGMAbQAuAG8AcgBnAA==;Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:41:24 GMT;RQBsAGUAYwB0AHIAbwBuAGkAYwAgAG0AdQBzAGkAYwAgAGYAZQBzAHQAaQB2AGEAbAAgAGkAbgAgAE4ASgAgAEgAYQBsAGwAbwB3AGUAZQBuACAAdwBlAGUAawBlAG4AZAAgACgAVABoAHUALQBTAGEAdAApAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {CA8D7DD3-6250-42DE-AE3A-A686AF805012} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:51:28 +0000 (UTC) http://electro-music.com/event2009/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 17:01:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26283BE79; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=E4IvHdBYvdyOElNuN4+I0UlCBt9+2ii5ZHoNOu1TSLE=; b=sdAYQCFTJtkD89lVQ2Wuqsv3XyemY5qrMO7X0zMRmGqum+C2eAejQF+xFox76IB9Xv eYNSqw/+/wKynQ6lSfRhJfpPrG6uN8YvGYLiYGStrpFXCoeES4ZDPO/L6RPNhzTONX+i dqbVfxXq5JDZI4kf6uyT1755Duk1+4hBC3hvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QDSv7BRXU+AYprQVXdWM0qlUXBoKhc2cJL2/u1kZUHKBtHorwUr3OZzNsIsi/OQ9zZ 1O7kVITtdHITpKC/lqPTWtZSV+9oMKnxc44kb/5XNV9vkVjAYD3D5QDQpDERHnlpFfKR nbfsiwOIioFir5GR8Gx7c1bBPxk46xqxwTDcE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60906031001p44552639xbd54ea7e4b0fc6f8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Virtual GigSpam: Jim Goodin Live on uStream this weekend From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d32a1baf2841046b749bd5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6d32a1baf2841046b749bd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys (and Ladies)... A reminder that my bi-weekly live performance series on uStream, *Sunday Morning at 11,* will be on this Sunday, June 7th, at 11am EST. The webcast channel address is http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-morning-at-11, please consider joining me if you are around Sunday. *see below for World showtime conversions.* * * *Additionally, I have a new home website at http://jimgoodin.blogspot.comthat is combining both weekly blog, news and events about what I'm up to. This portal is replacing my previous jimgoodinmusic.com. You can also access this new site by going to my label address http://www.woodandwiremusic.com.* *Nat'l and Int'l Sunday Morning at 11 performance times - EST 11am, PST 8am, UK 4pm, Continental Western Europe 5pm, Japan Midnight. For a closer look at times in your area check out* http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html. Hope to see some of you virtually on Sunday. Have a great rest of the week. Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural journey coming soon... www.myspace.com/ctreuse & jimgoodin.bandcamp.com music links... jimgoodin.blogspot.com www.woodandwiremusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/eastofwhere www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --0016e6d32a1baf2841046b749bd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys (and Ladies)...

=A0

A reminder that my bi-weekly live performance series on uStream, Su= nday Morning at 11, will be on this Sunday, June 7th, at 11am EST.=A0= =A0The webcast channel address is http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunda= y-morning-at-11, please consider joining me if you are around Sunday. = =A0 see below for World showtime conversions.

Additionally,=A0I have a new hom= e website at h= ttp://jimgoodin.blogspot.com that is combining both weekly blog, news a= nd events about what I'm up to. =A0This portal is replacing my previous= jimgoodinmusic.co= m. =A0You can also access this new site by going to my label address http://www.woo= dandwiremusic.com.

Nat'l and Int'l Sunday Morning at 11 performance times - ES= T 11am, PST 8am, UK 4pm, Continental Western Europe 5pm,=A0Japan Midnight. = =A0For a closer look at times in your area=A0check out

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html.

Hope to see some of you virtually on Sunday.=A0 Have a great rest of t= he week.

Jim
--
ReUse, an introspective textural aural journey coming so= on...
www.m= yspace.com/ctreuse & jimgoodin.bandcamp.com

music links...
jimgoodin.blogspot.com

www.woodandwiremusic.com

www.chinapaintingmusic.com
www.myspace.com/jimgo= odinmusic
www= .myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
www.myspace.com/jindream
www.you= tube.com/jimgoodinmusic

video work/editing...
www.vimeo.com/jimgoodi= ndigital

social networking...
www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic

--0016e6d32a1baf2841046b749bd5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 18:11:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 822993BE7C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20090603181107965.EB9901C00085@mwinf3524.me.freeserve.com Message-Id: <341A3492-5B4D-4B31-8DAC-07A1EA2E8A82@con-brio.com> From: Steve Bingham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: Antwerp Loopfest - video Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 19:11:04 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Great set guys. Loved the variety of sounds and moods. Volume was up high!! Cheers, Steve On 2 Jun 2009, at 20:31, Os wrote: > Hi, > > the Darkroom set from the Antwerp Loopfest is here: > http://vimeo.com/4960054 > > NB this isn't the official video - it's footage I took on my own > camcorder, mixed with audio I recorded on my laptop. I imagine the > official video will be much higher quality! > > We played three pieces, each about 8 minutes long. > > Play loud! Especially the last bit. > > Also photos (of everyone, not just Darkroom) are here: > http://www.flickr.com/groups/antwerp_loopfest_2009/ > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > From sikemeog18@msn.com Wed Jun 3 18:19:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 333 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:19:22 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088FA3BE72 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY125-W9 ([65.55.130.44]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:13:35 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9a4b8bbc-ce16-48a0-8469-8fe8fae2ef11_" X-Originating-IP: [41.202.95.22] Reply-To: From: Sikeme Ogbeide Subject: From: Ms Sikeme Ogbeide Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:13:34 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2009 18:13:35.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[02961080:01C9E477] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_9a4b8bbc-ce16-48a0-8469-8fe8fae2ef11_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ms Sikeme Ogbeide =20 Dearest One=2C =20 REQUEST FOR HELP=2C BE MY GUARDIAN AND THEN HELP ME TO COME OVER YOUR COUNT= RY: =20 permit me to inform you of my desire of asking you to be a guardian or fost= er parent to me and then help me out in what i am about to tell you. 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He was poisoned to death b= y his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip=2Cmy m= other died when i was a baby. =20 Before the death of my father on April. 2006 in a private hospital here in = Abidjan=2C he secretly called me by his bed side and told me that he has th= e sum of Eighteen million Seven hundred thousand United State Dollars USD (= $18.7million) deposited in a suspense account in one of the big banks here = in Abidjan.=20 =20 He then strongly advised me not to seek for assistance in the investment of= the money from his lawyer nor any of his friend here but to seek for a for= eign partner from a country of my choice (outside our country=2CCote D'Ivoi= re) that will assist me in the wise investment of the money.I have since le= ft the money in the bank with the view of my making use of it for investmen= t purposes after my education carrier here. But as you may be already aware= by now=2C our country (Cote D' Ivoire) is presently at political crises. R= ebels have already taken over the whole Northern part of the country and ma= king efforts towards to capture the commercial center of the country=2C Abi= djan=2C where i am now. =20 For this ugly development in this country=2C i have now decided to take qui= ck actions and have this money transferred out of this country before it is= too late for me in doing that. I now want to transfer it out and use it fo= r investment purpose like real estate management or hotel management. Becau= se of this i am honorably seeking your assistance in the following ways: =20 (1) To serve as a guardian to me and then assist me transfer the money into= your nominated bank account.=20 (2) To make arrangement for me to come over to your country to further my e= ducation and then settle there parmanently.=20 If you accept to stand as my guardian or foster parent to me=2C i need not = discuss on any percentage with you as you have to see the whole money as yo= urs and then assist me invest it. But if you still want a percentage=2C i a= m willing to offer you=2C 15 % of the total money as compensation for your = assistance.As soon as i receive your concrete assurance to assist me with m= y proposal and also your full contact address/phone number=2C i will then g= ive the bank your contact information and then tell them to transfer the mo= ney into your account as i want to come over to stay with you parmanently.= =20 =20 The bank will then contact you and communicate with you on the transfer. Yo= u shall then be giving me information on when the transfer will be over.I s= hall also send my pictures to you and shall also need yours own too. No mat= ter what your decision may turn out to be=2C please i beg you to keep this = highly secret for my safety=2C as i believe that those people that killed m= y Daddy are still after me. =20 Thanks and God bless you . Best regards=2C Ms.Sikeme Ogbeide --_9a4b8bbc-ce16-48a0-8469-8fe8fae2ef11_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ms Sikeme Ogbeide
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REQUES= T FOR HELP=2C BE MY GUARDIAN AND THEN HELP ME TO COME OVER YOUR COUNTRY: =3B
permit me to inform you of my desire of asking you to be a gua= rdian or foster parent to me and then help me out in what i am about to tel= l you. I know this may sound strange to you =2C receiving a mail from an un= known person=2C but my condition has forced me to do that.
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= I'm Ms. Sikeme Ogbeide 21 years old=2Cthe only daughter of Late Mr. &=3B= Mrs. Timothy A. Ogbeide=2C my father was a very wealthy cocoa merchant her= e in Abidjan=2C the economic capital of Cote D'Ivoire. He was poisoned to d= eath by his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip= =2Cmy mother died when i was a baby.
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Before the death of my = father on April. 2006 in a private hospital here in Abidjan=2C he secretly = called me by his bed side and told me that he has the sum of Eighteen milli= on Seven hundred thousand United State Dollars USD ($18.7million) deposited= in a suspense account in one of the big banks here in Abidjan.
= =3B
He then strongly advised me not to seek for assistance in the invest= ment of the money from his lawyer nor any of his friend here but to seek fo= r a foreign partner from a country of my choice (outside our country=2CCote= D'Ivoire) that will assist me in the wise investment of the money.I have s= ince left the money in the bank with the view of my making use of it for in= vestment purposes after my education carrier here. But as you may be alread= y aware by now=2C our country (Cote D' Ivoire) is presently at political cr= ises. Rebels have already taken over the whole Northern part of the country= and making efforts towards to capture the commercial center of the country= =2C Abidjan=2C where i am now.
=3B
For this ugly development in = this country=2C i have now decided to take quick actions and have this mone= y transferred out of this country before it is too late for me in doing tha= t. I now want to transfer it out and use it for investment purpose like rea= l estate management or hotel management. Because of this i am honorably see= king your assistance in the following ways:
=3B
(1) To serve as = a guardian to me and then assist me transfer the money into your nominated = bank account.
(2) To make arrangement for me to come over to your country to further my e= ducation and then settle there parmanently.
If you accept to stand as my guardian or foster parent to me=2C i need not = discuss on any percentage with you as you have to see the whole money as yo= urs and then assist me invest it. But if you still want a percentage=2C i a= m willing to offer you=2C 15 % of the total money as compensation for your = assistance.As soon as i receive your concrete assurance to assist me with m= y proposal and also your full contact address/phone number=2C i will then g= ive the bank your contact information and then tell them to transfer the mo= ney into your account as i want to come over to stay with you parmanently. =
=3B
The bank will then contact you and communicate with you on = the transfer. You shall then be giving me information on when the transfer = will be over.I shall also send my pictures to you and shall also need yours= own too. No matter what your decision may turn out to be=2C please i beg y= ou to keep this highly secret for my safety=2C as i believe that those peop= le that killed my Daddy are still after me.
=3B
Thanks and God = bless you .
Best regards=2C
Ms.Sikeme Ogbeide
= --_9a4b8bbc-ce16-48a0-8469-8fe8fae2ef11_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 18:20:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5573BE7C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20090603114603.E3B4B3BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Antwerp photos Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:20:11 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c9e477$eee0a270$14b2a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnkQf+ouhj5B05vT7yNyBLAXpeuOgANcy9w In-Reply-To: <20090603114603.E3B4B3BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.0.180; VDF: 7.1.4.53) Resent-Message-ID: <8Z7MJ.A._5.d7rJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) http://www.flickr.com/groups/antwerp_loopfest_2009 I posted a selection of my Antwerp Loopfest photos -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 20:44:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20DFE3BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:44:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A26E096.3020800@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:44:06 -0700 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Antwerp photos References: <20090603114603.E3B4B3BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> <002201c9e477$eee0a270$14b2a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <002201c9e477$eee0a270$14b2a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Rick, did you cut down your legs to save space when traveling?? you look 3 feet tall! http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242995@N00/3593093308/in/pool-antwerp_loopfest_2009 Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.flickr.com/groups/antwerp_loopfest_2009 > > I posted a selection of my Antwerp Loopfest photos > > -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 20:52:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE5B3BE7C; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=S2bJY7fb42JMXvCo3fibHNz7Ci3wZwzs9xQ3PSvz6+w=; b=a7RQjihXKetoJ5SHQACX3e+gl1jbqljgiq4W/rTSS9W++sB06e4aMJQcznARw70yi6 C9/ffZund/jq+OQEEITNpgm/8mgcTnPFb92wQtqm8bUkFHIXbcaOR5+U8wiTffVIY0uI IREKf5yYhu0wIF066xwkGY1DTHdIJK35eN99E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dH5JGmVGBNhKQhsUcCXPtE0qc5SCCUCH7REkZVq1RCXUY2mjnDH8j0sIHA9+mqzLeu dlO59Nmhs/pCdMGBvrUXmpXKRBeAzrA9eivLQn/H3+w6GBlvKEm7QcDmYYZCJXo3nmE3 PgZkwSar5GQ/q+jVWbj8bxmKr8KzL41KQw9V4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mastering plug ins From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:52:24 +0000 (UTC) You know, you can spend a lot of time and energy on the mastering project, but I swear some of the best armature mixes I've heard came from a guitarist I used to play with. All he did was run his master buss though a light compressor, graphic EQ and a DBX exciter. (all hardware, this was pre-computer daw). One day I caught him in the process and what he did was first run a song with a similar feel though the setup and look at the display on the graphic EQ while in bypass. He then ran his program though it and tried to use the eq to get the same look in the audio spectrum. Hilarious. He admitted he just used this method as a starting point, but the real truth is, in the end he probably really good at listening. I suspect the spectrum display was probably more of a placebo than anything else. He was only doing 4 track cassette recordings, but his always sounded great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 20:57:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80AA23BE80; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7uBCbBGm30MvRC2xXEqAPp1fBPkwL+K5+eNjmb1dWcg=; b=ZV6OO2buNiVseb2alNf7DGHVPFQInQMMv1B71/VSxrCAHD3/Wu/iKRJ9DNO0b0NN+/ LnZasFuDW/AsWOJEwiDwRJ08YtSdWgMtjzFRQwq/D+I7eMsSS1/7x+cd9nhKtAyel6uZ Z1vV8wIqmSLdD2xrtvNVUsxZvjbFeluX09pbI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=I9r5+2KKDerv5w+taCb83V7mzIWkoi4A99MqVFtV3jSuddGCTUPSeO08DYfr2k2JOr /pjaf3+SD4T/RwrePovHQ5XwLAtZGDEfPXLRt9UT++dtgLvfUbAvQWc5CljEIwiJGETm gNTrcOieZhUWgxr5wAS3lzXGLQOxRINnhDyt0= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:57:04 +0000 (UTC) I'd pick up a used Electro-harmonix 2880. I really liked it when I used to use hardware. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > So, I'm idly looking into expanding my looping setup, since I'm > starting to feel the limits of the looper in my Line 6 DL-4. (Mostly > that 15 seconds at normal speed is too short.) > > So I just spent an hour looking at what else is out there and I'm > feeling a bit discouraged. > > What I'm looking for in a looper: > --Simple & easy to use. > --at least 30 seconds of looping time > --Lets me pick start and end points while recording. (Will not try to > autocorrect my timing, or make me choose loop length before I start.) > --Reverse function > --Half Speed function (or even better - a speed dial!) > --Lets me choose # of repeats when not infinite. > --Will not drive up the cost of the pedal with stuff I'll never use. > --smaller than a hardcover book > > As far as I can tell, this does not exist. The closest I find is a > DL-4, which is very easy to use, but as I mentioned, the looping time > is short and I can't control the # of repeats. It's also heavy enough > that I don't want to walk around with 2 of them. > > I'm pretty disappointed in the concept of the Line 6 JM-4. It costs > more and doesn't appear to offer more of the stuff I want. Instead it > offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which > frankly I find insulting. Has anyone used one of these? If you don't > store loops, how long can a live loop be? Can you get rid of all the > dumb preset tracks? Is it otherwise as simple as the DL-4? > > How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if > you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? > > Not looking for rack mounts, software or large pedal boards. I have to > fit all my gear in a rolling suitcase on public transit. > > Shruggingly, > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 20:57:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 072073BE8D; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9e1+iSOPI6vTvYJfV5TjU0uxjCVnzDLfRFTUyR2IgVk=; b=f8C30FPNlzqW4WmjBj1AX1kZ9ivrmh+VdUr3/7H/kTLOGmBKaB5d7onEo0YyWVLQgl xkPeGPEVYZx0ZxB9fhHOo01GVzmkr+aVQ/b56urDRQ3d0p6LrFYhl27nhKBRvIm8OZjy wPV2ZnaOzhHGK6hrK78UpshmaHNeRlpIwRC0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Emp1WogLUHsHSOptUKyAJqdY3fO+0IKv9HKl48DCwrMd5H/4+PbYqFwqVvLmIPRI30 Zi19W3SZCaMZ3RwGLGAGduN3aWU3ZEXKg/r8MZtGxeRgCT38gDVpOsFXOFLdh/CZFnMu Ro+e62rZOk7N+25M6A0AuF44r38LcVH/o6mIY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:57:12 +0200 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0906031357yd0e7db9jd313707b8a0950a5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Antwerp photos From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3xb33B.A.sHF.sOuJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:57:16 +0000 (UTC) > Rick, did you cut down your legs to save space when traveling?? you look > 3 feet tall! Now Daryl, by applying a few simple estimates, you can quickly calculate that for yourself: * the laptop screen or the keyboard in the room corner can server as gauges for distance * the angle between the edges of the room can server to estimate the focal length * the relation of the size in the picture between the (known) size of the laptop screen and the (known) size of the keyboard can give an estimate for the distance between them, * thus allowing you to estimate the width of one floor panel, * thus allowing you to estimate Rick's height It's as simple as that :-P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 21:09:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB2E3BE87; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xRWIuES/jcC4YJglhDxDRbGO955qRIqgCXXiNx+qVX0=; b=I+LtH5JH18vFfEo27BDzADK1knJXUUpqrO419vSvCRGTnXzeOJrusjTXly81ysZuS+ TkmVJLDHT/da506f+lYJn/H+7YoS+bGUq9E1Ord778SAtHT0oZsKhMj1dIzelMzxsb8D wAroeUvji/Zwohuasl/L9Z8gceTisPoIGsqOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c0lebUq0zKya17LNfC7U3kgmUEbdYR81gw5SjCubM4aPNiqKpLg3sRPGDxC0FqXj8V R8H6D9DFwF9eaCgPTzpZz128HTf9jFPMkbBW19bpUjRW8XQsXHJQXPWaTKCoRC30enLF LyzgRaP2Qn59uyXMT4mBJ4HSsQIqBfOGwzFUw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0906031357yd0e7db9jd313707b8a0950a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0906031357yd0e7db9jd313707b8a0950a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:09:09 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60906031409i55bc8e15hec9da2651e7e5aee@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Antwerp photos From: Jim Goodin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a84e0bff3e046b7812ac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:09:11 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a84e0bff3e046b7812ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what a great looking room for live music, the auditorium, it looks so festivalesque and I like Rick's 'Torch'like hair as well as spelunker's light... wish I was there... thanks for sharing Michael. best with all guys... j On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > > Rick, did you cut down your legs to save space when traveling?? you look > > 3 feet tall! > > Now Daryl, by applying a few simple estimates, you can quickly > calculate that for yourself: > * the laptop screen or the keyboard in the room corner can server as > gauges for distance > * the angle between the edges of the room can server to estimate the > focal length > * the relation of the size in the picture between the (known) size > of the laptop screen and the (known) size of the keyboard can give an > estimate for the distance between them, > * thus allowing you to estimate the width of one floor panel, > * thus allowing you to estimate Rick's height > > It's as simple as that :-P > > -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural journey coming soon... music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5a84e0bff3e046b7812ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

what a great looking room for live music, the auditorium, it looks so = festivalesque and I like Rick's 'Torch'like hair as well as spe= lunker's light...

=A0

wish I was there... thanks for sharing Michael.=A0 best with all guys.= .. j

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Rainer Straschil= l <moinsou= nd@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Rick, did you cut down your legs to save space when = traveling?? you look
> 3 feet tall!

Now Daryl, by applyi= ng a few simple estimates, you can quickly
calculate that for yourself:<= br> =A0* the laptop screen or the keyboard in the room corner can server as
= gauges for distance
=A0* the angle between the edges of the room can ser= ver to estimate the
focal length
=A0* the relation of the size in the= picture between the (known) size
of the laptop screen and the (known) size of the keyboard can give an
es= timate for the distance between them,
=A0* thus allowing you to estimate= the width of one floor panel,
=A0* thus allowing you to estimate Rick&#= 39;s height

It's as simple as that :-P

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----------MB_8CBB2A860A779B3_9B0_24FE_MBLK-M02.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 21:37:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36AA33BEA4; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PUfEY0zKftJQz3ioXj1ZdZvyfDPocfde9kpeMjjmtg+kJX0xF6Hh+8oVjY/y86AlsPqEf/zgnuvVq/i/fShAFztbmBKAfHfCj0nahB28GgWgLTPpqziFhUXBCsyZTFac2wibt2FFyr9Zl+uOHjSNTKKZHN3r8JsdYrZZYsXuIUo= ; X-YMail-OSG: ITXNn14VM1nsbQBZLMczQdU49ePHEfD0tHZggHQS_sBv.64NnU2SOBDucOEBDjyH4kOErZc8GvCqTXB.eyYCBwOsKex9lCyVzUXNWGDCgmLst83BrNnmx6KKSVdC63lC1MkfZxtMsto9zXIFXXKN7vlmMT5X2P_ueYR5rxhkZD0NzEu70vujNtSPm5nwL9JDHm2stJqReEpt_OkeHr39Nfvu44JTgqBvVa_OBn9exadAlkejSLgyO2oZ_fdDVkXm0XNiSi8tJ9wle9hjpDhnZJPbx2UkBiAjpsJp7JDpHHKmEJh4lUHsFjfnar7sFkJE077rC68MFHPO6PIt1KkNjgzun_ijFQLMPvo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20090603114603.E3B4B3BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> <002201c9e477$eee0a270$14b2a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Antwerp photos Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC) The photos and videos I have seen of this festival are great! The venue(s) look(s) great too! Good work, Sjaak. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Antwerp photos > http://www.flickr.com/groups/antwerp_loopfest_2009 > > I posted a selection of my Antwerp Loopfest photos > > -Michael > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.51/2151 - Release Date: 06/02/09 17:53:00 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 21:41:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302913BEC1; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=qH5kpzRI4I//PbdMnnRq/xUih6sZRY82RQNqqUwmEic=; b=LyzWbx/nRvdSEVIKolOjlYm9pq3K4ZAng0HvskOC9Y4Exw4dXxSQTlQPvEM1rLfv3J fixBqlIr9+BtlxDm6Mu3nRMyHD+xtWV7CluKcBjPAzyPO5r372Vi5pRrIU2e2dG5Yqnw sKuuEFAYQNwNWNUrEF7EJwWDwukBrTU5MBvrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=XHAi246T1Se1ea1EPjJVLQmJrtxLaziHGSVUhVJx0ZpWxnm1776/3WgG8X4YeCe7Yr vE7ByLbEvJCjF8K9DqV0dbL2TQBLUVeXzmETHCnhJsOO8pWOFiJ8SnqCoUtOiTHEWYBJ 5z2/vBX1Zzq47Aitrt6mDI/2gOAipEV2YLMWg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: <9e0440a60906031440l274b407by7564ecf04cc02d6b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: WOT: but maybe of interest, Julie Coryell From: Jim Goodin To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5adfec727af046b788309 Resent-Message-ID: <9PccfB.A.ZpG.r3uJKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:41:00 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5adfec727af046b788309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is off but might be of interest to those who are hovering 50 years as I. Larry Coryell, american jazz/fusion guitarist, who I dug at a time mainly when he had the Eleventh House with some of the Brecker Brothers in the late 70's/80's, his ex-wife Julie who he recorded several interesting records with around that time, passed away recently at age 61. She sometimes voiced and co-wrote with him in those days. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/arts/music/29coryell.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss I still remember an amazing concer that I saw @1974 with Larry, Alphonse Mouzon and Miroslav Vitous in my home state of Arkansas of all places. Through another friend I got to meet Larry a couple of years ago which was cool. Jim -- ReUse, an introspective textural aural journey coming soon... music links... www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jindream www.youtube.com/jimgoodinmusic video work/editing... www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital social networking... www.twitter.com/jimgoodinmusic --001636c5adfec727af046b788309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--001636c5adfec727af046b788309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 22:24:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85C53BE7F; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=k21xKoTFNO9VA7JPfeVEhpjxpBHrD4Fzf7gwecAXmLU=; b=gfJDvEV/syZ6ujXiv9gHsEU1gWz9Qe0hOOBnrRxeX6NTRH4o4A1CdsLoMBAzT/6m7x SST4fm7UE6W7fNuHzotP7OXmenhiIawE5Sripmv8qcPoOi3Kku6Bc8zOJiELOsw1PPOT gINyvS/y2cgiH+WI3gZP0s8pjUC4K0uKVtDtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=kE1IxrTGfEBeO2mv/fk5UKZZYF1hcySJAJCoW65aRfllWUiTDu2yvdwV7Bb3YYA/fi Lq7eoOr9feQZ7O3oofzvd0llAgFrNcTTtHadThpMfoMXvSL5YCR0soQyOFzE9wDJBGMc p+ApEoIuR6/IZb37sU0kiIa9OaW0ZSmXFVASQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:24:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f27210c5fe9a046b791f5c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:24:36 +0000 (UTC) --001485f27210c5fe9a046b791f5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one plugin in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around the mixer - very nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio through any of the returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get masses of latency all of a sudden....have you noticed this? and is there a cure? sim --001485f27210c5fe9a046b791f5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one plug= in in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around the mixer - = very nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio through any of the = returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get masses of latency all of a s= udden....have you noticed this? and is there a cure?

sim

--001485f27210c5fe9a046b791f5c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 22:34:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C17223BE77; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20090603205717.787223BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20090603205717.787223BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: looping works of various sorts at SubZero festival in San Jose, Friday night Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:34:18 -0700 Message-ID: <016201c9e49b$6fe12660$4fa37320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcnkjgIwD4FWkZcSSQWWBXDPZ20/BQAC389g Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:34:25 +0000 (UTC) At the SubZero festival in San Jose this Friday night, SHARE San Jose (http://share-sj.org) will have a booth with a variety of extremely interactive and experimental visual and musical activities, featuring new works by David Tristram, Peter Nyboer, and Tim Thompson. Looping abounds. David has a pen-based visual instrument (looping and processing of hand-drawn gestures), Peter is working on a user-submitted (via email, in realtime) photo visual mix, and Tim has his LoopyCam (8 realtime-captured and processed video loops) and a prototype of a musical controller (4-track MIDI looping) for a Burning Man installation. The SubZero festival is a street fair on South First Street in San Jose, CA, this Friday from 6pm to midnight. Around 100 artists and musicians are participating. See these pages for descriptions of what will be going on: http://www.subzerofestival.com/street-guide/anno-domini.html http://www.subzerofestival.com/street-guide/ http://www.subzerofestival.com/ ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jun 3 23:07:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA633BE75; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=qzbdR5Jh0ql8zYYp3flsO1yUV/ZQh3jYsNn268yVOT4=; b=mDTZ9HIsmP8Tm882v8CAVALdpp8M2CkddnHVy0QR+SKQd5bP7QRTDAGuMNV2JOkg0p DHekdO/QdGxeRmR9gs2bZY+dVFuC+zlDbRqJB9h9QFSeHCn1EV3EjVa+N6DHj1zJQ2w5 2d0CiQT8vKYCyL9IO5N76NlgIxQnK9QikdPaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=U8JuC2dQNP5wFOLO0hK4GQFOAys/rEXJZ1pHir1kZIrH7ZGRlXJWBZN9NIdkJayUP1 VLbOueywiikSi6/VkCpyILcPkECRoV21tUOPJy6SMlfuotL80rHrXD4NVd7EGoGaFYJE Wsy92Pv9OBn/E1gyMAWYZS9D+VcHwWjjrosU8= Message-Id: From: David Hayes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4A25513C.5020403@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: LD: Your opinions please - Terratec Axon AX 50 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:09:11 -0700 References: <9445316AD31E43C6A77F834EF846E303@a> <4A241CA4.2030402@tiscali.co.uk> <20090601175117.59916s7t7s811h0c@www.wightman.ca> <4A24DBAE.60900@tiscali.co.uk> <243365ED8C3F450B80CA9105FF2307F5@a> <4A25513C.5020403@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi. Forgive me for not reading the whole thread and therefore not knowing if this helps the orriginal question, but from a quick glance at the thread I thought I'd volunteer that I tried a few midi guitars and briefly a magnetic roland pickup with the Axon 100 and was disappointed by all. Then I heard that RMC Piezo pickups were the best, most playable solution... had them professionally installed on my electric and I am VERY satisfied with the results. Amazing actually. Very little adjustment to playing, very predictable. Getting the RMC pickups was a little weird... he's just a dude in Berkley I think, not much for business, so I called music store very close to his location (yahoo yellow pages search) and person from the music store actually rode his bike over to RMC to get it and mail it himself because he said otherwise it takes forever. Anyway, that's my story regarding midi guitar. Hope it helps someone! On Jun 2, 2009, at 9:20 AM, andy butler wrote: > Did you try the Strat type > or the SG type? > > and didn't you say you were getting the "midi" > board, not the acoustic sim circuitry? > > Has anyone tried the SG style (autotune) variant? > Refered to as Schaller on their site. > > Matthias told me the strat config is best for piezo, > but he hasn't tried graphtech, > > ...and my guitars are both the Schaller type bridge, > even the strat. > > if this goes on I could even get over my piezo-phobia :-) > > andy butler > > Ricky Graham wrote: >> The Graphtech P/U are great, Andy. Very clean, I love the sound of >> the piezos compared to my magnetics. It really has changed my >> guitar sound, I hope for the better. >> I'm going to go with the AX50. I'll let you know how I get on. >> Cheers, >> Ricky >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" > > >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:58 AM >> Subject: Re: LD: Your opinions please - Terratec Axon AX 50 >>> phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: >>>> I had a yamaha G50 and was never very happy with the tracking. I >>>> was >>>> using it with a roland GK 2 pickup after several months of playing >>>> around with it finally gave up and sold it off on ebay. I recently >>>> picked up an axion ax50 and using it with the same guitar, though >>>> I have >>>> since installed a graphtech ghost pickup, and it is worlds apart >>>> different from my experience with the G50. The tracking is >>>> instant and I >>>> have had very little adjustments to make in my playing style. >>> >>> I've played with the AX100, and with the G50 with the *same* guitar >>> and p/u. (GK2a as it happens). >>> They seemed pretty similar to me, not surprising as they are >>> essentially >>> the same axon circuitry in a different box. >>> The A50 was released without claims of better tracking than the >>> AX100. >>> In fact, I have them both here so will likely try a detailed >>> comparison. >>> >>> I'd be guessing the change of p/u caused the change in behaviour. >>> Is it possible your GK wasn't installed in the optimum position? >>> >>> :-) >>> so you guys got me wanting a graphtech p/u >>> ( well, I really don't like the clunky GK 2a, ) >>> >>> andy butler >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No >> virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.50/2150 - Release Date: >> 06/02/09 06:47:00 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 00:45:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 998C53BE7C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Sjaak'" , References: Subject: RE: Antwerp Loopfest - video Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:45:45 -0700 Message-ID: <2EFD610979FF4AF0A09C41215B94028C@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Acnkj6bZuM7CVMUoRwWOHKYYEwPGxAAHZVmA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Lovely music Darkroom Dudes, and big congratulations on a great Festival Sjaak! Wish I could have been there sharing the magic, love, and repetition with all of you cool people. Have a great time in rome. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Sjaak [mailto:tcplugin@scarlet.be] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 8:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: Antwerp Loopfest - video Hi all, Os, thanks for uploading the pictures and the video's, they look really good. And btw: Darkroom has done a great set last saturday, I really enjoyed it. Btw: we have all arrived in Firenze and enjoyed the real stuff...Italien pasta :) We'll soon leave for tonight's open air gig in a amphitheatro, the weather is good so it will be a fantastic evening. --- Sjaak http://euroloopfest.com/ http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ __________________________________ Scarlet schrapt download limiet! Scarlet NO LIMIT nu slechts 19,95 EUR Ga naar www.scarlet.be voor meer info! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 00:48:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FF63BE75; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:48:34 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:48:43 +0000 (UTC) At 8:56 AM +0100 6/3/09, Simeon Harris wrote: > >that sounds like it might work for me too, as i do like to reroute >fx and also have side chains. so how do you change fx patches on the >fly? or do you not bother? i suppose you could have a long reverb >and a short reverb in two separate send and just choose which one >you want to use...? For patch changes, almost all of my plugs can respond to a simple program change. For the ones that won't, I either follow your suggestion above (multiple instantiations of the same plug turned on and off), or, in most cases, I just send CC commands to reconfigure the parameters on the fly. That's another possible use for MIDI clips, BTW, if you have a large chunk of changes you want to make all at once. At 11:24 PM +0100 6/3/09, Simeon Harris wrote: >mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one >plugin in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around >the mixer - very nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio >through any of the returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get >masses of latency all of a sudden....have you noticed this? and is >there a cure? What?!? That's utterly bizarre. No, I've never noticed any latency via the Return channels, in any of the versions of Live I've run. It should all be taking place through digital bussing, so I wouldn't imagine any delay beyond perhaps the single sample level. What version of Live are you running, and what does your hardware/software configuration consist of? Anything else loading down the computer's CPU at the same time, perhaps? This sounds weird.... --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 00:50:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A1D3BE7E; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:49:52 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 00:50:02 +0000 (UTC) At 10:55 AM -0400 6/3/09, Warren Sirota wrote: >Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to >control the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. You >can come up with some wild synchronized effects by using clips to >blast audio into different effects on different beats. Or, you can >come up with some insane tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send >on and off faster than you could ever humanly work a foot pedal. > > >this is brilliant. gotta try it. Thanks Warren! I'd be interested in hearing what you come up with. :) --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." X <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 01:15:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC753BE75; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PUw8hSn1LhBQi8DX6Ck9558xFnGSHFRfZBUH8m/Ag9k=; b=M2IqXZ+ToVpQnu2vzSnirEzQhJtDNRZfDPo8H/e3159PtmjOEMuNw5T6Bti0scuSq/ Mjyrn9w4ANCoLq9hftn61RZ47EX3p714uLKgjQgjlO73WLK2wALxDoCk6m0HQlx6xEYa e5A/po8vvK6yBrwP2EcFC7swDtY9VGQQYGQmo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=SnaaMYeqDkYzPZDjbj0jRJL7hy/vckoDI1CBoBKid9NGsOwXTYIzzJmOmXNYw7kivQ Z60/+ZDin5FtzSL/TJcuvy3NRITaBWxPd9XLbE7ZgCHjSJnRS4ClNnLlQdkt2Q3MQvIC Qvy999THbAPsDqdW3CJ/VYn//pjXZmgnta7MY= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0906031815s36f53f6cxc1da42defe64e153@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Todd Matthews To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e644cc6e5c3f14046b7b8337 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:15:36 +0000 (UTC) --0016e644cc6e5c3f14046b7b8337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mech - This is awesome! I took a sabatical from Live the past week because of my frustration with audio effect racks. I've been learning Bidule and with some help from the incredibly kind Per, I was up and running in no time. Using the simple audio switcher in Bidule is so much easier than the rack madness I was dealing with in Live but almost wish I didn't read your post because now I want to go back to Live to see if I can adapt my songs to using almost all send return channels:) When you say your sending a parallel message to turn off effects would both be done with a midi clip? Since I only have the two expression pedals on the fcb and my hands are tied when I play I'm guessing midi clips would be the way to go to automate everything for me. Since I'll have four or return tracks with multiple send knobs on each one I guess you either automate them or you have Novation remote zero-like controller with a bunch of knobs that your able to use while you perform. Thanks again, for helping see routing in Live in a new way. I need to re-read your post a couple more times to wrap my head around it. I've been painting past couple of days and I think the fumes are making me a little slower:) Todd On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Mech wrote: > At 10:55 AM -0400 6/3/09, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to control >> the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. You can come up with >> some wild synchronized effects by using clips to blast audio into different >> effects on different beats. Or, you can come up with some insane >> tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send on and off faster than you could >> ever humanly work a foot pedal. >> >> >> this is brilliant. gotta try it. >> > > Thanks Warren! I'd be interested in hearing what you come up with. :) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." > X <--- you are here. > > --0016e644cc6e5c3f14046b7b8337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mech - This is awesome! I took a sabatical from Live the past week because = of my frustration with audio effect racks. I've been learning Bidule an= d with some help from the incredibly kind Per, I was up and running in no t= ime. Using the simple audio switcher in Bidule is so much easier than the r= ack madness I was dealing with in Live but almost wish I didn't read yo= ur post because now I want to go back to Live to see if I can adapt my song= s to using almost all send return channels:)

When you say your sending a parallel message to turn off effects would = both be done with a midi clip? Since I only have the two expression pedals = on the fcb and my hands are tied when I play I'm guessing midi clips wo= uld be the way to go to automate everything for me. Since I'll have fou= r or return tracks with multiple send knobs on each one I guess you either = automate them or you have Novation remote zero-like controller with a bunch= of knobs that your able to use while you perform.

Thanks again, for helping see routing in Live in a new way. I need to r= e-read your post a couple more times to wrap my head around it. I've be= en painting past couple of days and I think the fumes are making me a littl= e slower:)

Todd

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:49 PM, = Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

At 10:55 AM -0400 6/3/09, Warren Sirota wrote:

Additionally, I've found it pretty easy to fire off MIDI clips to contr= ol the Send levels (amongst other things) of each effect. =A0You can come u= p with some wild synchronized effects by using clips to blast audio into di= fferent effects on different beats. =A0Or, you can come up with some insane= tremolo-ized effects by automating the Send on and off faster than you cou= ld ever humanly work a foot pedal.

this is brilliant. gotta try it.

Thanks Warren! =A0I'd be interested in hearing what you come up with. = =A0:)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
--
_____
"Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 X =A0<--- you are here.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 10:55:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EF5E3BE73; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Kkmxg7P+G3G6ZFFrNwut+qMyHLRotG7EbK1unU7z0ssMov+tFf42+tQ3k3FgHV8CY2Zzhe24+fdSaW8dOlq9PzLzFM7ACqqJZhu7RhjhspAH+lMK8mlgbJs7pMgCoNqGdFHhcfOSVIjFryIyRcqzliklR2AtyW5KEjCmam/2WnI= ; X-YMail-OSG: I2ZKgHwVM1kvPxkyeC0QTDNUijLMIAn7jyrLd0uXJKW8Q0AlzJg37ZRlgtG2px4iULyh7tbJEOjn.dfex60XjKPNJM0nS1wVPdtU2ADKnR2RivUchrWIQwbvWcd1QI2h9hgXSJ6LkZJy0YYVWYIfqp3A6sLrO10TDeS682ZdFq1tz0tBG16ryfmEW2hHBCQLn2C039.Sbf.cpu5O40hRs7uQhqarSqJb7eyYRH0U4EHrLzoiyIhxp4aGvBajx4Uq7PNrahobTgHqmk1Ikk1c8qJiINU2zI7oaPv3PQeJf8KgIIABPRzNzNsl9pn3fhUMuvThmTnXZjzAZGvCsKXfplp1XbeLQ7CLgrRqQw2YuKi0Pg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <9B9D4E8B497E4950BCAB0EA9BED766EC@a> From: "Ricky Graham" To: Subject: Christopher Willits - Looping/Jitter - XLR8R TV Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:55:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0094_01C9E50B.58D75DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <8PqcVD.A.tcE.jg6JKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:55:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C9E50B.58D75DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting - = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTGvSoGkyKII&feature=3Dsdig&et=3D12440094= 71.24 ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C9E50B.58D75DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C9E50B.58D75DC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 12:36:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB2C3BE79; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 206500536/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.229.122/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.229.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtQBAFNcJ0pPTuV6/2dsb2JhbAAIv1qQIIQMBYhf X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,305,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="206500536" Message-ID: <4A27C2BD.4020801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:49:01 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Christopher Willits - Looping/Jitter - XLR8R TV References: <9B9D4E8B497E4950BCAB0EA9BED766EC@a> In-Reply-To: <9B9D4E8B497E4950BCAB0EA9BED766EC@a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham wrote: > Very interesting - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGvSoGkyKII&feature=sdig&et=1244009471.24 > ...what made those loud clicking sounds, is that some ultra cool Max patch for a virtual analog clunky switch? :-) It's a nice idea to sync vid with the music, personally I'd prefer not to have a sequencer running the music tho'. It wouldn't be hard to use Bidule ( or I guess Max etc.) to analyse the audio and create midi commands from it based on frequency content and envelope (and tempo synced to any loop if needed). If there was something like Milkdrop that had midi controllable parameters that would be very watchable. Per showed me some nice visualizations on his I-Tunes last year, and I must say they were most impressive. andy butler ( still on hardware......oil wheel projectors sync with everything ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 12:45:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 386043BE80; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dy9u2z0Jkxs9JCnzbr9b1pjkVj2msOgebdxuEqGPEaAE/od12VaW5XxPSOLWaBImCs29PeChWxLejosE47nQpQjO7fsIQlBp4RI4lpyTlaUkZYpb4tfP47GD6uNv7IPOBCBVQxxdAmKQ+0sgUuNLVYt+bjTTjz+zrxOwIruw99c= ; X-YMail-OSG: PGYWSV4VM1lTGQm5_T_a0NW9MrPbgh1ziZMQbWvlGEaH_mYFegmQkfqVDGGi2iFqP9LS6ARBidpOAmz75ORb6_EPsi7F0FII95JQbap9pTBwofULBTgYsgUIyXz6prIEffsMpDlxjVWIHTMRYndY7HXlQ3UfG6D126pV1fPTGnbWeLBEGWk6ISSi9HM6J9hvUvW0ScDcTEsAe9Xw3VWu2OlBBrnM6q8q65sQnDLIQlz7YBjflp9truQmknTkf9z.IcDPyivWWN8G686e2cGc0EZUh5xFa4O7IhcLSG5wsHtb X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <219913A852154D89915561EB9DF2B0B4@a> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9B9D4E8B497E4950BCAB0EA9BED766EC@a> <4A27C2BD.4020801@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Christopher Willits - Looping/Jitter - XLR8R TV Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:45:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:45:07 +0000 (UTC) > ...what made those loud clicking sounds, is that > some ultra cool Max patch for a virtual analog clunky switch? > :-) > Rumour has it, he has big feet. > It's a nice idea to sync vid with the music, > personally I'd prefer not to have a sequencer running > the music tho'. > > It wouldn't be hard to use Bidule ( or I guess Max etc.) > to analyse the audio and create midi commands from it > based on frequency content and envelope (and tempo synced to > any loop if needed). > > If there was something like Milkdrop that had midi controllable > parameters that would be very watchable. > > Per showed me some nice visualizations on his I-Tunes last > year, and I must say they were most impressive. > > andy butler > ( still on hardware......oil wheel projectors sync with everything ) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.53/2154 - Release Date: 06/04/09 05:53:00 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 13:37:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0703BE7F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sgPaMgAh/JE/I9wGarX9Uj9/ioRmaZCCqIxW+Ldqg3k=; b=qxH5wQ4zt1QmJ4b/0ORNbvTQ5+7hg1qpJxfmylNSYyeKMOM/dz9/IKO5juB5ZSEpPV fYnXa4MdM37rMyEdGzFqrOaK5yV7UGFQk8NBdFHF5G8bG9ZpkwRZ6XsFT5vvwPb6pfWK PCesnYrY6mxkzQdyCj9X2pUMh3ptCZbMGY3Jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=f8A+itZrE1C5ImV+CqLDlUcUdDZ3E84p+ePRYN91jrUjQ0TdcZbtazrzVCUJCuS/P3 sE6npCzKnR1Y8w6XnNtno2qxRlZTxV+8p3cEqxacMpr6XegumeDtJSC3MafVY4nAd3La ph0a5BgXwNGuARZYBiIOdHQhLSFC5gx4zJnRU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:37:25 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f1e7c2548adf046b85e0aa Resent-Message-ID: <_Sh3GC.A.quB.W48JKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:37:26 +0000 (UTC) --001485f1e7c2548adf046b85e0aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ok, tracked down the source of the latency - NI Spektral Delay. just putting it in one of the return channels causes masses of latency - even when it's off shame...cos it's really nice sim On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mech wrote: > > > At 11:24 PM +0100 6/3/09, Simeon Harris wrote: > >> mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one plugin >> in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around the mixer - very >> nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio through any of the >> returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get masses of latency all of a >> sudden....have you noticed this? and is there a cure? >> > > What?!? That's utterly bizarre. No, I've never noticed any latency via the > Return channels, in any of the versions of Live I've run. It should all be > taking place through digital bussing, so I wouldn't imagine any delay beyond > perhaps the single sample level. > > What version of Live are you running, and what does your hardware/software > configuration consist of? Anything else loading down the computer's CPU at > the same time, perhaps? This sounds weird.... > > --m. > -- > _____ > "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" > > --001485f1e7c2548adf046b85e0aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, tracked down the source of the latency - NI Spektral Delay. just puttin= g it in one of the return channels causes masses of latency - even when it&= #39;s off

shame...cos it's really nice

sim

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

At 11:24 PM +0100 6/3/09, Simeon Harris wrote:

mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one plug= in in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around the mixer - = very nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio through any of the = returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get masses of latency all of a s= udden....have you noticed this? and is there a cure?

What?!? That's utterly bizarre. =A0No, I've never noticed any laten= cy via the Return channels, in any of the versions of Live I've run. = =A0It should all be taking place through digital bussing, so I wouldn't= imagine any delay beyond perhaps the single sample level.

What version of Live are you running, and what does your hardware/software = configuration consist of? =A0Anything else loading down the computer's = CPU at the same time, perhaps? =A0This sounds weird....

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m.
--
_____
"bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye"

--001485f1e7c2548adf046b85e0aa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 13:40:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B201A3BE7F; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:40:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W4TAcd4r27HhquVVg8ZJ044r6N4FH1f+HrVunvRtfmk=; b=UReAquJjAAQ7MsdxMUnAwzo9R15NEjme0Ft8XrHeSXgFYyAcvfKC5wYPDK4FKOZUZI 3L7tGasB70s8nAx8hCzULMXbWolMhl6VDKGK3Djq7fJIaYbMY7md4rzwNSziU9j4JX4W i1iXby9hCqUgK44VW96KxT+X1aXecq4ouxKrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=oxaQH+w2olKAFWbL2gU03/grMRWPbn47ch2Gglr/H4q/NqpvFsvuLSJaz508oVHPGI t1f2QjiK9neEFf1aPa6j6MwwI7jF5+NDY3B3IhbKNmIlQnDoNxhdtXwNlgSwRtS1UTzS 5+hQHDO9ArGsYrn/0M7Nxe33A4x/V7zGBAt8A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:40:49 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 06cb73affd62d282 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Os To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:40:50 +0000 (UTC) darn those FFTs. do you have a VST version? you might find that it doesn't introduce latency, as (as far as I know) VST plug-ins can't report latency like AUs can. os. 2009/6/4 Simeon Harris : > ok, tracked down the source of the latency - NI Spektral Delay. just putt= ing > it in one of the return channels causes masses of latency - even when it'= s > off > > shame...cos it's really nice > > sim > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Mech wrote: >> >> >> At 11:24 PM +0100 6/3/09, Simeon Harris wrote: >>> >>> mech - i've just tried your multiple returns method in Live... one plug= in >>> in each return and using the sends to pass the audio around the mixer -= very >>> nice. one problem though - as soon as i send audio through any of the >>> returns (even one with no plugins in it) i get masses of latency all of= a >>> sudden....have you noticed this? and is there a cure? >> >> What?!? That's utterly bizarre. =A0No, I've never noticed any latency vi= a >> the Return channels, in any of the versions of Live I've run. =A0It shou= ld all >> be taking place through digital bussing, so I wouldn't imagine any delay >> beyond perhaps the single sample level. >> >> What version of Live are you running, and what does your hardware/softwa= re >> configuration consist of? =A0Anything else loading down the computer's C= PU at >> the same time, perhaps? =A0This sounds weird.... >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--m. >> -- >> _____ >> "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" >> > > --=20 os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 13:42:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B86E83BE93; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=XXhMOb+RC8t9ACnr4k3PXO/qy5U8dA2EQ2yRPQIQQpY=; b=Bc7+waaWFwBEXd7IVHqC3M/iHWu6u9dNiahFMh4BlE7UWxEl2kB1vKXNEyVFnxSbGd zm9zfvD08rU6qz+RFfOqNmL7PBlQgLtntX1rw7dh6BBqIdGGxnA0y2alFo1LLNeJmX3j zfNj5dgVjs1axAU50cEIU70gVh/E0sfeglqpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=Zifrqqlgo9MMOp/Hd6iua4CfXMqLER+dz9vWGqadvajudnZFYxvOk4nkApGW+BL24z cAeO4xNPgvDqRjOzlQwCk6HULz32+Sf1awnOHOFL/BcRZaETeZnpco0uw/yClyPHnUB0 7xNsq20BSRrPy/HJJzycBs3rzG5q2a2kQwuMI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:42:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f5b10c7a16a7046b85f25a Resent-Message-ID: <0Nmnp.A.jEC.H98JKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:42:31 +0000 (UTC) --001485f5b10c7a16a7046b85f25a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmm...might do...i'll have a look. thanks mate! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Os wrote: > darn those FFTs. > > do you have a VST version? you might find that it doesn't introduce > latency, as (as far as I know) VST plug-ins can't report latency like > AUs can. > > > --001485f5b10c7a16a7046b85f25a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmm...might do...i'll have a look.

thanks mate!

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:

darn those FFTs.

do you have a VST version? you might find that it doesn't introduce
latency, as (as far as I know) VST plug-ins can't report latency like
AUs can.

--001485f5b10c7a16a7046b85f25a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 15:04:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF4F43BE7C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1244127855; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=YCTuh7ZiI1CHhg7zLzFV2BqHKNs=; b=dInzZ1aLiee2xv0nrQ2lqyABboG3eBYuhIdIlLKZmLRgAlCooz2WxRwzl1j4Szul XTomBxmi4ZpycvQzn6FyVBHiJsgyhC7F8xP5kkus7tY4KESaFSHufN58NED5oAqz; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=SwqADZFpgxnUnAvo2K4A:9 a=oMI4V6imFP0lSuUPbKYA:7 a=yfsRS-V-lP856rEz5_rTpeQSR5AA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=vDboLE1g8TvJeYgM:21 a=-knHNpwAG8WHO6ae:21 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000f01c9e525$b9996bc0$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:04:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:04:15 +0000 (UTC) The 2880 even with it's limitations is one looper I have never regreted getting. What it can do far outweighs what it can't. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:25 PM Subject: Re: blech (pedal choices) > I'd pick up a used Electro-harmonix 2880. I really liked it when I > used to use hardware. > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: >> So, I'm idly looking into expanding my looping setup, since I'm >> starting to feel the limits of the looper in my Line 6 DL-4. (Mostly >> that 15 seconds at normal speed is too short.) >> >> So I just spent an hour looking at what else is out there and I'm >> feeling a bit discouraged. >> >> What I'm looking for in a looper: >> --Simple & easy to use. >> --at least 30 seconds of looping time >> --Lets me pick start and end points while recording. (Will not try to >> autocorrect my timing, or make me choose loop length before I start.) >> --Reverse function >> --Half Speed function (or even better - a speed dial!) >> --Lets me choose # of repeats when not infinite. >> --Will not drive up the cost of the pedal with stuff I'll never use. >> --smaller than a hardcover book >> >> As far as I can tell, this does not exist. The closest I find is a >> DL-4, which is very easy to use, but as I mentioned, the looping time >> is short and I can't control the # of repeats. It's also heavy enough >> that I don't want to walk around with 2 of them. >> >> I'm pretty disappointed in the concept of the Line 6 JM-4. It costs >> more and doesn't appear to offer more of the stuff I want. Instead it >> offers me the opportunity to play with imaginary musicians, which >> frankly I find insulting. Has anyone used one of these? If you don't >> store loops, how long can a live loop be? Can you get rid of all the >> dumb preset tracks? Is it otherwise as simple as the DL-4? >> >> How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if >> you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? >> >> Not looking for rack mounts, software or large pedal boards. I have to >> fit all my gear in a rolling suitcase on public transit. >> >> Shruggingly, >> >> Matt Davignon >> www.ribosomemusic.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 15:12:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280153BE79; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1244128320; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=hRHut8mAT9MqwrSE4dihJbB8yc4=; b=aYf0PjQxCexdWncyyor5lDlN/eDnUMK3TL/5CAh55OuK/XOhHRYm8PgEwW4IX0hC YOsr7on1fbcSPEP+kTSenf+ugCqFwYpDlCmMgcQ6i/mfVRE8c1mg0rKHGOQzkjvu; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=Z5Egsy1uqjvEL7bsiqEA:9 a=T60b2qeotL_iWUcIYhUA:7 a=q90wWeM7XOOYMZwdiJSurJ26wc0A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001401c9e526$cf270a50$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: mastering plug ins Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:11:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:12:01 +0000 (UTC) There was music before computers? :) Really I am thinking that I need to work on improving the audio I am feeding into my DAW. Unless I can find a turd polishing plugin :) If I have a boomy sound why not fix it before recording etc and so on. I am still trying to grasp audio mastering but I get so confused...slowly I go. thanks for all the fish, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:52 PM Subject: Re: mastering plug ins > You know, you can spend a lot of time and energy on the mastering > project, but I swear some of the best armature mixes I've heard came > from a guitarist I used to play with. All he did was run his master > buss though a light compressor, graphic EQ and a DBX exciter. (all > hardware, this was pre-computer daw). One day I caught him in the > process and what he did was first run a song with a similar feel > though the setup and look at the display on the graphic EQ while in > bypass. He then ran his program though it and tried to use the eq to > get the same look in the audio spectrum. Hilarious. He admitted he > just used this method as a starting point, but the real truth is, in > the end he probably really good at listening. I suspect the spectrum > display was probably more of a placebo than anything else. He was > only doing 4 track cassette recordings, but his always sounded great. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 15:33:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E8C3BE7C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1244129633; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=A2HaBCjMEIeXIMrtzgXqpuxk1Bw=; b=Djh766CMgBbU3tlwqgGR67kQu2tZJYackEqg/hFo4quMzqoYDftB7khWjUEtMThf hrpjBvnsxFN4YhWvLiuhoUi2EkUvD/IjOtTcVhdEBmIQPorTiZa6kpyYQYZHUTug; X-BINDING: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WnzYjt4fAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=PMF4g2laAAAA:8 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=zImPrG2YAAAA:8 a=B8CpycrvAAAA:8 a=8U_8BYAIAAAA:20 a=X8lw9rmGAAAA:8 a=1oqGTYSLAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=dteb6b4ygn8ou6XjyVQA:9 a=PuV2Bc9kgOLZNVU3_qcA:7 a=40CZzxuaYrNkWDQZE_YPEW4NO4cA:4 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gA6IeH5FQcgA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001001c9e529$ddb0c860$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> <001401c9e526$cf270a50$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: OT: Re: mastering plug ins Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:33:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <_QDvNC.A.w4F.hl-JKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Ok, let me ask this question then. How do you all record and prepare audio for the web and for your releases? I am sure there is many different ways to get good sounding tunes up. All of mine is released in varying qualities of mp3s. Sometimes I record on mindisk if I am away from my computer. At home I feed a stereo line in from a mixer into Audacity or now Sound Forge. I used to record in 16 bit but now have moved to 24. Anyone can reply off list if this is going off topic too badly. I am kind of stuck in a loop on this in the middle of recording alot. I am trying to rethink what I am doing a bit. Jeff Ad astra per alia porci - Steinbeck http://jeffduke.org/ http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://virb.com/jeffduke http://www.reverbnation.com/thejeffduke http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke http://www.justin.tv/loopslab http://themineisthemind.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: mastering plug ins > There was music before computers? :) > Really I am thinking that I need to work on improving the audio I am > feeding into my DAW. Unless I can find a turd polishing plugin :) > If I have a boomy sound why not fix it before recording etc and so on. I > am still trying to grasp audio mastering but I get so confused...slowly I > go. > > thanks for all the fish, > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: mastering plug ins > > >> You know, you can spend a lot of time and energy on the mastering >> project, but I swear some of the best armature mixes I've heard came >> from a guitarist I used to play with. All he did was run his master >> buss though a light compressor, graphic EQ and a DBX exciter. (all >> hardware, this was pre-computer daw). One day I caught him in the >> process and what he did was first run a song with a similar feel >> though the setup and look at the display on the graphic EQ while in >> bypass. He then ran his program though it and tried to use the eq to >> get the same look in the audio spectrum. Hilarious. He admitted he >> just used this method as a starting point, but the real truth is, in >> the end he probably really good at listening. I suspect the spectrum >> display was probably more of a placebo than anything else. He was >> only doing 4 track cassette recordings, but his always sounded great. >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 16:07:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486753BE7C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wWctNx1dpkOm62TdoUIP4Jna3AZ6nb6RKTu2J/6jF+I=; b=Doy6ePY504tHOASGVC8hpDyP657wshOLbk5NPnba64ytqbDs27wvfGo3cJ94ncPmLB +68VNjmph66C3qD7XwrcXZem97cTLEmp/ylteTGMr60maLEk3mCF4Z4ue8F5A0nJf81v nCSCO+sF6Z1vrXlGYX3Sb/uerlFpuxVDTVR1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WiIu7/6h81nbIRXq2AdgORne8PPpw8t7lGm81S14HwjZ01NCcMmOBgaK1C1lOwMdvi XxI6dyNFqRr7X8OJZJoA4WRjwovKlF1BZ/DisDvbwHa/SMu+njpuaWAocy7wYsXQMaGT 2oZfIKQvRdZTLRrC/avwvKRpkXAv/2gBu8Hsg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001401c9e526$cf270a50$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> References: <7334ca1b0906030508m3eebf3feo4ca8ae959240cb01@mail.gmail.com> <001401c9e526$cf270a50$74e63547@YOUR08D5303051> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:01:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: mastering plug ins From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:07:34 +0000 (UTC) agree. that's the point. feeding a better signal to your DAW. always there's room for improvement, even at home. 2009/6/4, Jeff Duke : > There was music before computers? :) > Really I am thinking that I need to work on improving the audio I am feeding > into my DAW. Unless I can find a turd polishing plugin :) > If I have a boomy sound why not fix it before recording etc and so on. I am > still trying to grasp audio mastering but I get so confused...slowly I go. > > thanks for all the fish, > > Jeff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: mastering plug ins > > >> You know, you can spend a lot of time and energy on the mastering >> project, but I swear some of the best armature mixes I've heard came >> from a guitarist I used to play with. All he did was run his master >> buss though a light compressor, graphic EQ and a DBX exciter. (all >> hardware, this was pre-computer daw). One day I caught him in the >> process and what he did was first run a song with a similar feel >> though the setup and look at the display on the graphic EQ while in >> bypass. He then ran his program though it and tried to use the eq to >> get the same look in the audio spectrum. Hilarious. He admitted he >> just used this method as a starting point, but the real truth is, in >> the end he probably really good at listening. I suspect the spectrum >> display was probably more of a placebo than anything else. He was >> only doing 4 track cassette recordings, but his always sounded great. >> >> > > -- Raul Bonell at Blogger: http://raulbonell.blogspot.com Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 16:39:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B14B83BE79; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 600 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:39:39 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0906031815s36f53f6cxc1da42defe64e153@mail.gmail.com> References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> <9ea2f30b0906031815s36f53f6cxc1da42defe64e153@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:29:32 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) At 9:15 PM -0400 6/3/09, Todd Matthews wrote: >Mech - This is awesome! Wow, thanks! I'm glad that I was able to clear up a few problems. Live's routing is one of the things that keeps me coming back to it every time I try to run away. For some reason, this has always just clicked for me on the most basic level (send effects vs. insert effects) so I didn't see much sense in complicating it further. However, I surely can't take credit for the MIDI clips stuff. I first heard the idea from "the incredibly kind Per" a while back. And I think Zoe also uses them (or used to) for firing off commands during her set, IIRC. About the only thing I might take credit for could possibly be using MIDI clips to 'hocket' control commands faster than the human eye -- turning them into de facto LFO's. But, y'know, I'm kinda demented that way, I guess. Regardless of the source, they're a great device and rock mightily. But thank you for the recognition nonetheless. :D >Using the simple audio switcher in Bidule is so much easier than the >rack madness I was dealing with in Live Oh yeah, I really like Bidule as well. Although I haven't really used it much lately, I did build a MIDI looper with it last year. The flexibility is fantastic, and saves me from having to learn Max/MSP. Unfortunately for me, though, it seems I'm even lazier than that. Live seems to have become my path of least resistance. Whenever I get a harebrained idea (and, trust me, this happens quite often) I can usually mock it up most quickly in Live, so that's what I end up reaching for first. >When you say your sending a parallel message to turn off effects >would both be done with a midi clip? Yep! That's another good use, now that you mention it: using a clip as a "shim". Let's say that you can only send a single message from your controller. Use it to fire a clip, and use the clip to fire off as many more messages as you need. They can be other "one-shot" messages to turn effects on or off, or a continuous stream to automate levels or fades, for instance, or a mixture of all those simultaneously. Conceivably, you could use your FCB only to send messages to activate MIDI clips. Those clips would then act as 'little helpers' and fire off all the other commands you might need. Of course, some parameters are better suited for realtime control. But, like you said, you've got two expression pedals you could use there. >Thanks again, for helping see routing in Live in a new way. I need >to re-read your post a couple more times to wrap my head around it. >I've been painting past couple of days and I think the fumes are >making me a little slower:) And if you have any questions or need any help getting it to work, don't hesitate to ask. :) Thanks again for the kudos! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 16:40:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063A83BE7C; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 409 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:40:55 UTC Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <66f9cc1e0901171748r4c83bfd6w5fbbfc1279c4370c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Test Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:34:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Test. Apologies. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 16:41:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F1963BE84; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <935ADBC4F1C343C797EECD6F69A1566C@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <66f9cc1e0901171748r4c83bfd6w5fbbfc1279c4370c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Test and Apologies Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:41:37 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <_P7a-.A.WT.Cl_JKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Test. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 16:42:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3173BE84; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:42:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) At 2:37 PM +0100 6/4/09, Simeon Harris wrote: >ok, tracked down the source of the latency - NI Spektral Delay. just >putting it in one of the return channels causes masses of latency - >even when it's off Really? Wow, it's been a while since I played with that one, but I do seem to remember some strange behavior last time I tried setting it up. Then I got distracted by some other shiny thing and never followed up on it. :P I do remember that the display munches more CPU, and that I had a difficult time when using it on setups where I was close to spiking. I always had to remind myself to close the darn display. Now I'm going to have to see if any of NI's other plugs have similar issues. Hrmmmmmm.... --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 17:14:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19503BE78; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Id/45AeKJDo9OtSOLYg5prHGHmfEGq+d4O+IOCzJUw=; b=DqwnV6GNnG7DeA3QzlLQBVfq43KWYYe1YW7fnLkIOrgu/pwg91cUIeZvCyLhSK448T qNUk9iIZOpoUVv6drloZ8YV7mn4LD/kw7fmwNIyb4TWcdi/HJIaOv4FxsG0+XPgl4Sw/ TllA9dTQB3nO3r9xMHNnI0gv7NVI4SCYpim/Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; b=dU/Z4KZiL/4LPtzAZ6gusVpOc02ywP3ALyCvd+cTyA8zWeEaRGzwXyG+asLc0wie9s lFvNNGbECZd0sKaYXnyIMe1DpWtXdPe2ZP9VthWl09UrXQiY+ydpiq3QaZaei4DEf0rl 4LdsxrMVi7uYxVUlJdVDOf/Wh+sZNqOFWbYGE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: References: <101191640906030755s6aca9e5cge1a2aad29edc66a3@mail.gmail.com> <9ea2f30b0906031815s36f53f6cxc1da42defe64e153@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Any experienced Ableton users able to give me a hand? From: Simeon Harris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f9a858e87c99046b88e9c2 Resent-Message-ID: <1ogup.A.n5D.NEAKKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) --001485f9a858e87c99046b88e9c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now that's sparked my interest....i'd like ot be able to send one pc message from my footcontroller and have a midi clip send a bunch of commands to the mixer to change the "send" values...and perhaps send some pc messages to those plugins that can deal with them to change patches unfortunately, i have absolutely no idea how to do it! just looked at the manual and figured out how to create a new midi clip - looked at it's clip view and i see you can select "mixer" for the destination of the midi. but what do you draw in the big panel on the right? sorry mate, i've a livedunce! On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Mech wrote: > At 9:15 PM -0400 6/3/09, Todd Matthews wrote: > >> Mech - > > > When you say your sending a parallel message to turn off effects would >> both be done with a midi clip? >> > > Conceivably, you could use your FCB only to send messages to activate MIDI > clips. Those clips would then act as 'little helpers' and fire off all the > other commands you might need. > > --001485f9a858e87c99046b88e9c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable now that's sparked my interest....i'd like ot be able to send one p= c message from my footcontroller and have a midi clip send a bunch of comma= nds to the mixer to change the "send" values...and perhaps send s= ome pc messages to those plugins that can deal with them to change patches<= br>
unfortunately, i have absolutely no idea how to do it!

just look= ed at the manual and figured out how to create a new midi clip - looked at = it's clip view and i see you can select "mixer" for the desti= nation of the midi. but what do you draw in the big panel on the right?

sorry mate, i've a livedunce!

On = Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Mech <mech3@m3ch.net> wrote:

At 9:15 PM -0400 6/3/09, Todd Matthews wrote:

Mech -

When you say your sending a parallel message to turn off effects would both= be done with a midi clip?

Conceivably, you could use your FCB only to send messages to activate MIDI = clips. =A0Those clips would then act as 'little helpers' and fire o= ff all the other commands you might need.

--001485f9a858e87c99046b88e9c2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 17:35:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACCF43BE7E; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=TQb+CzQftBn81NaNRFF4N6Omj/y8KUFMEqYXp91ZfdE=; b=RCNkA1IWnwTAaRiJ2eHc6S9qUPrBwyW6y2JPxEgkP4UFMxSGOQ6ax/JsEN/rtu22Zt VY6uOy36LGLEzlEPAk7gFRWtA9j9AKjuEIufHVZ0cvdYDOZ92Su4pOQM7Try+WNVbEpj U49zKo6Ne4odS/lvXAe5OcEV/nNkIkbn01wno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Fd8MtZlH0AyhElrsHAQ82TQKKxzvXb+w83bDMK9pIagXi2rUXpA7+TqZ4wQg9lvHC4 ruGI1Jzy2ghORDuLyDA9eaGkUqHJikF599+m+h0YaRZ1Kbo611wCuf+TV+W/Ifxy0ybE JwfrATgsEZD6z2uON6qPjt89PQnLaxWBG2Jo4= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <66f9cc1e0905150416t179c0273v8955d7779637ce9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0905311315r1c3616f9jb522519d67360d65@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0905311331n1ea11596uf1433adec0b52118@mail.gmail.com> <4A23A69D.7020604@tiscali.co.uk> From: Daniel Hegarty Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:34:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: EDP and Logic Glitches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174beeb8c1c9f7046b8932c1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 17:35:14 +0000 (UTC) --0015174beeb8c1c9f7046b8932c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to be a pest! Does anyone have any thoughts on any avenues I could try, I'm really stuck on this one :( Thanks Daniel 2009/6/1 Daniel Hegarty > Hey Andy, > Thanks so much! > > As per your request, I've made a diagram. I think this may push me over the > edge of a polite request for help, but this issue is waking me sweating in > the nights! > > I've tried to include all the detail I can in the diagram, but I'd like to > address some of your points below: > > > 1. You're correct about midi clock. It is being sent but I am not > utilising it. I'm setting the SUS messages to be just one frame short of the > full bar length. e.g on an 8 bar loop in 4/4, i'll set the note length to be > 7 3 3 239. This seems to work fine, as I've had issues whenever I've tried > to send concurrent messages to a single EDP. > 2. I use the GeneralReset at the beginning of each 'track' in the set. > As otherwise during rehearsal we have issues with their being audio on > moreloops=2 etc. > 3. All midi commands in and out of the sequencer have their own > dedicated input/output and cable. I don't know a great deal about midi > merging so I'm not sure if that is the issue. I'm wondering if it's all to > much for my dual core 2.6ghz MacBook Pro with 4gb of RAM to handle. Sounds > for the soft synths are coming off an external drive via firewire 800. > Perhaps a rack mounted G5 would solve the problem! If perhaps I need to run > a slave sequencer just controlling the EDPs, is there one that you suggest? > I tried exporting the Midi files into Abletone Live, but peculiarly the > single frame reset notes didn't make it! Very odd. I'm very comfortable with > Midi editing in Logic so it would be a bit of a learning curve to go > elsewhere, but at this point i'll try anything! > > Anyway, most of the above is included in the diagram, any help would be > very very gratefully received. I've included some screenshots from Logic > which should give a good idea of how i'm manipulating the EDPs. > > Thanks again! > Daniel > > 2009/6/1 andy butler > > Hi Daniel, >> without a diagram or a detailed description of your setup >> it's pretty much impossible for anyone to diagnose your >> problem. We're just guessing based on assumptions. >> >> From what you say below, about needing to use SUS commands >> I'd guess that you're sending midi clock to the edps, >> and not using it. Indeed, midi-clock sync doesn't work well with sequenced >> edps >> (Claude Voit worked that out, and he's the guy who got >> the EDP midi response up to spec ). >> So set your EDPs to sync = OFF, >> and then the way to keep them synced is to use the Restart command as >> often as needed. >> Having done that, you *can* use regular Record=TOG, >> ..but the SUS commands will be as good, stick with >> what you're comfortable with. >> Incidentally, you don't need to send Reset before >> starting a new Recording (unless you want to). >> >> Maybe Claude, (who I suspect of filtering this list for posts >> with his name in) will chip in here, probably will if >> I got something wrong. >> (hi Claude :-) >> >> Didn't you say *all* the midi info was going to the EDPs? >> ...and the occasional note is lost when you mix live >> playing with EDP sequencing. >> This would point to the loss happening wherever the sequenced >> midi, and the live midi are merged. >> If that happens in your software, the software is buggy at >> midi-merging. Either >> 1) Use a hardware midi merger in your system >> 2) Use different software >> 3) Send the EDP commands down a completely separate midi cable. >> >> >> andy butler >> >> Daniel Hegarty wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Sorry for being dense, just a couple of clarifications! >>> >>> 1. Say for example, on one of the EDPs, I need to record a 4 bar >>> loop, and then reset that loop later, and then record an unrelated >>> 2 bar loop. How do I alter the loop length if not by using the >>> SUSrecord function? When I've experimented with quantizing, it >>> appeared to me that I could only set a fixed loop length using the >>> 8th/cycle parameter. This obviously wouldn't be sufficient for the >>> use case i describe above. i.e. When in quantize mode i press >>> record once to start recording the loop, i then press it again, >>> but the stop is determined by the 8th/cycle parameter rather than >>> my button press. My impression was that Sync=In, and Quantize was >>> to be used when using a fixed length loop which you wished to >>> develop and perform operations on. If that's not the case, I'd be >>> very interested in how to very the loop lengths on the fly, so to >>> speak. >>> 2. I assume the pre-delay option is only useful in the case of using >>> the EDP quantize as otherwise it would cause the commands not to >>> be sent out precisely on time. >>> >>> I have a horrible feeling I've wasted a lot of time going about this the >>> wrong way! Thanks so much for your patience. >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> >> www.boysen.se >>> www.perboysen.com >>> >>> >>> >> > --0015174beeb8c1c9f7046b8932c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to be a pest!

Does anyone have any thoughts on any avenues I c= ould try, I'm really stuck on this one :(

Thanks
Daniel

2009/6/1 Daniel Hegarty <= danielphegarty@googlemail.= com>

Hey Andy,
Thanks so much!

As per your request, I= 've made a diagram. I think this may push me over the edge of a polite = request for help, but this issue is waking me sweating in the nights!

I've tried to include all the detail I can in the d= iagram, but I'd like to address some of your points below:
You're correct about midi clock. It is being sent = but I am not utilising it. I'm setting the SUS messages to be just one = frame short of the full bar length. e.g on an 8 bar loop in 4/4, i'll s= et the note length to be 7 3 3 239. This seems to work fine, as I've ha= d issues whenever I've tried to send concurrent messages to a single ED= P.

I use the GeneralReset at the beginning of each 'track' in the = set. As otherwise during rehearsal we have issues with their being audio on= moreloops=3D2 etc.
All midi commands in and out of the sequencer h= ave their own dedicated input/output and cable. I don't know a great de= al about midi merging so I'm not sure if that is the issue. I'm won= dering if it's all to much for my dual core 2.6ghz MacBook Pro with 4gb= of RAM to handle. Sounds for the soft synths are coming off an external dr= ive via firewire 800. Perhaps a rack mounted G5 would solve the problem! If= perhaps I need to run a slave sequencer just controlling the EDPs, is ther= e one that you suggest? I tried exporting the Midi files into Abletone Live= , but peculiarly the single frame reset notes didn't make it! Very odd.= I'm very comfortable with Midi editing in Logic so it would be a bit o= f a learning curve to go elsewhere, but at this point i'll try anything= !

Anyway, most of the above is included in the diagram, any help wo= uld be very very gratefully=A0received. I've included some screenshots = from Logic which should give a good idea of how i'm manipulating the ED= Ps.

Thanks again!
Daniel

2009/6/1 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Daniel,
without a diagram or a detailed description of your setup
it's pretty much impossible for anyone to diagnose your
problem. We're just guessing based on assumptions.

>From what you say below, about needing to use SUS commands
I'd guess that you're sending midi clock to the edps,
and not using it. Indeed, midi-clock sync doesn't work well with sequen= ced edps
(Claude Voit worked that out, and he's the guy who got
the EDP midi response up to spec ).
So set your EDPs to sync =3D OFF,
and then the way to keep them synced is to use the Restart command as often= as needed.
Having done that, you *can* use regular Record=3DTOG,
..but the SUS commands will be as good, stick with
what you're comfortable with.
Incidentally, you don't need to send Reset before
starting a new Recording (unless you want to).

Maybe Claude, (who I suspect of filtering this list for posts
with his name in) will chip in here, probably will if
I got something wrong.
(hi Claude :-)

Didn't you say *all* the midi info was going to the EDPs?
...and the occasional note is lost when you mix live
playing with EDP sequencing.
This would point to the loss happening wherever the sequenced
midi, and the =A0 live midi are merged.
If that happens in your software, the software is buggy at
midi-merging. Either
1) Use a hardware midi merger in your system
2) Use different software
3) Send the EDP commands down a completely separate midi cable.

andy butler

Daniel Hegarty wrote:

Hi,

Sorry for being dense, just a couple of clarifications!

=A0 1. Say for example, on one of the EDPs, I need to record a 4 bar
<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0loop, and then reset that loop later, and then record an unrela= ted
=A0 =A0 =A02 bar loop. How do I alter the loop length if not by using the<= br> =A0 =A0 =A0SUSrecord function? When I've experimented with quantizing,= it
=A0 =A0 =A0appeared to me that I could only set a fixed loop length using = the
=A0 =A0 =A08th/cycle parameter. This obviously wouldn't be sufficient = for the
=A0 =A0 =A0use case i describe above. i.e. When in quantize mode i press =A0 =A0 =A0record once to start recording the loop, i then press it again,=
=A0 =A0 =A0but the stop is determined by the 8th/cycle parameter rather th= an
=A0 =A0 =A0my button press. My impression was that Sync=3DIn, and Quantize= was
=A0 =A0 =A0to be used when using a fixed length loop which you wished to =A0 =A0 =A0develop and perform operations on. If that's not the case, = I'd be
=A0 =A0 =A0very interested in how to very the loop lengths on the fly, so = to
=A0 =A0 =A0speak.
=A0 2. I assume the pre-delay option is only useful in the case of using
=A0 =A0 =A0the EDP quantize as otherwise it would cause the commands not t= o
=A0 =A0 =A0be sent out precisely on time.

I have a horrible feeling I've wasted a lot of time going about this th= e wrong way! Thanks so much for your patience.

Daniel

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--0015174beeb8c1c9f7046b8932c1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 18:00:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A5A3BE81; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1244138408; bh=re5wpQ2Rbu7xav0PzOLeP58vAlpc+G7emIKG7aeQpF4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YOtlCQLjo4ahAhftOMbijKHosFV0K4JF4ueWVuXFn42PCbIsCSKmmAi5FwfXzsU4EVES2v1dAafacmWZrEKHnKwbAWngcDU8Ik6bOIo2CwZoyJy6yzfyTEXGAsxM0qniSx7XM0HAgOfOI2rJbLnSbroj4Mxf5dy+wihyQfztE8g= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kNvPsgfrg9S06n4blDvItUPPEXA75ftJTs/0MXRe4mXm315u8UdxIQjkKR710bCHdBkS0+/fOeH3YgpJgsBcgOvTECBNoH0uFlpMo7wL/IfNrHnNgHOYNTTvJLJtNX90WWX3Y24QoTbSu34OPdeT+HYqP9QMhY1uiOLok5qv5Uk=; Message-ID: <454925.38906.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5DiX6L4VM1lQvrsjI04MRH5kuMaZsFZGjOMziT.KFWhxZOCIGzI4pEZdPqUgf1c5gdzX55AQu_mHabaIJMCbUogXyi8okr2s4aN31xwblF.JHY.W4r4bK_zlOdpXYZZzV2B9Uxb.nKtExoYWTEdlns3q_GFvkKmL9guQPFMJyf7CsENxPVzo7qTu7D4iQ1K2euC_B59Au4fAH7a5m9LVMTEya3FgqYOUHOLCFEG_2krDziGXdTRUUbpNBVcUZfDC66Fx6UWdXFPM0vWMVFMzAzHayC2HwhgIDVRd_5J3bz1Az2_gSX8PSLfy_sYz513rqg53mFFMaU4n7URjiC2t_oMtUdXO4bxGeGxuFEGOI8WgSdI1CYvhQA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: blech (pedal choices) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-413160350-1244138408=:38906" Resent-Message-ID: <2HGY4.A.LYF.suAKKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:00:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-413160350-1244138408=:38906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if >> you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse? the original rc-20 (which i have) has 5 min of record time. it can go fwd and reverse. i like it, gets the job done. it has some tap tempo thing that allows you to change the tempo of the loop, but i think it doesn't work so well. i wish there was a knob that just controlled the speed or length of the loop, for slow down or speed up (THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!). i do like the reverse though, you can get some crazy things going w/ fwd and reverse, etc.. the rc-20xl that came out after has 16 min of record time. honestly i've never came close to using the full time of my 5 min of my original.... in the vids i've seen for the EH stereo memory man w/ hazari, i like the loop function and the way you can mangle the loop (speed (pitch) and filter), but i didn't like that to record a loop you have to keep the button pressed the whole time (the boss rc-you press switch to record, press again to stop, which i like-some complain about hard to get accurate time w/ that, not a problem for me, anyway)...but i have liked what i've seen of the EHsmm w/H- in vids & it has 30 sec of loop time....i should say that i keep all my pedals at hands reach on my desk, not a footstomper, the other new option is the digitech timebender, just recently out-i 've heard good things from some folks online, and it's the same price as digitech's jamman ($299)...seems like it has some combos things from the boss slicer... if you need portable-the boss rc-2, single pedal, but it's just loop w/ overdub (up to 16 min), but no real manipulating of it, but the main thing is it is small & portable.... oh, and there is the boss dd20, the 23 sec of delay available, i didn't really like it, sold mine, but others have liked it, etc.... i have no experience w/ the line 6 stuff, check archives for that..... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=235503632389016121 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5791548553161416906&hl=en --0-413160350-1244138408=:38906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

>> How about the LoopStation (RC-20)? How long of a loop can you get if
>> you don't store anything? Does it have half speed/reverse?

the original rc-20 (which i have) has 5 min of record time. it can go fwd and reverse. i like it, gets the job done. it has some tap tempo thing that allows you to change the tempo of the loop, but i think it doesn't work so well. i wish there was a knob that just controlled the speed or length of the loop, for slow down or speed up (THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!). i do like the reverse though, you can get some crazy things going w/ fwd and reverse, etc..

the rc-20xl that came out after has 16 min of record time. honestly i've never came close to using the full time of my 5 min of my original....

in the vids i've seen for the EH stereo memory man w/ hazari, i like the loop function and the way you can mangle the loop (speed (pitch) and filter), but i didn't like that to record a loop you have to keep the button pressed the whole time (the boss rc-you press switch to record, press again to stop, which i like-some complain about hard to get accurate time w/ that, not a problem for me, anyway)...but i have liked what i've seen of the EHsmm w/H- in vids & it has 30 sec of loop time....i should say that i keep all my pedals at hands reach on my desk, not a footstomper,

the other new option is the digitech timebender, just recently out-i 've heard good things from some folks online, and it's the same price as digitech's jamman ($299)...seems like it has some combos things from the boss slicer...

if you need portable-the boss rc-2, single pedal, but it's just loop w/ overdub (up to 16 min), but no real manipulating of it, but the main thing is it is small & portable....

oh, and there is the boss dd20, the 23 sec of delay available, i didn't really like it, sold mine, but others have liked it, etc....
i have no experience w/ the line 6 stuff, check archives for that.....
s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=235503632389016121
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5791548553161416906&hl=en

--0-413160350-1244138408=:38906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jun 4 18:13:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 792A13BE79; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 209533903/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.229.122/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.229.122 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0BABirJ0pPTuV6/2dsb2JhbAAI0AiECwWIXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,306,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="209533903" Message-ID: <4A2811A9.6090009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:25:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP and Logic Glitches References: <66f9cc1e0905150416t179c0273v8955d7779637ce9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0905311315r1c3616f9jb522519d67360d65@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0905311331n1ea11596uf1433adec0b52118@mail.gmail.com> <4A23A69D.7020604@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4H3M8B.A.G6F.v6AKKB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Daniel Hegarty wrote: > Sorry to be a pest! > > Does anyone have any thoughts on any avenues I could try, I'm really > stuck on this one :( > > Thanks > Daniel > > 2009/6/1 Daniel Hegarty > > > Hey Andy, > > Thanks so much! > > As per your request, I've made a diagram. do you have a link for it? mailing lists don't "do" graphics :-( (you can just send it to me if you like(and to Per)) >I think this may push me > over the edge of a polite request for help, but this issue is waking > me sweating in the nights! > > I've tried to include all the detail I can in the diagram, but I'd > like to address some of your points below: > > 1. You're correct about midi clock. It is being sent but I am not > utilising it. I'm setting the SUS messages to be just one > frame short of the full bar length. e.g on an 8 bar loop in > 4/4, i'll set the note length to be 7 3 3 239. This seems to > work fine, as I've had issues whenever I've tried to send > concurrent messages to a single EDP. Looks like you are using the clock for sync. ..but doesn't matter, it's not an edp problem > 2. I use the GeneralReset at the beginning of each 'track' in the > set. As otherwise during rehearsal we have issues with their > being audio on moreloops=2 etc. right > 3. All midi commands in and out of the sequencer have their own > dedicated input/output and cable. I don't know a great deal > about midi merging so I'm not sure if that is the issue. it would seem that it isn't >I'm > wondering if it's all to much for my dual core 2.6ghz MacBook > Pro with 4gb of RAM to handle. Sounds for the soft synths are > coming off an external drive via firewire 800. Perhaps a rack > mounted G5 would solve the problem! If perhaps I need to run a > slave sequencer just controlling the EDPs, is there one that > you suggest? I tried exporting the Midi files into Abletone > Live, but peculiarly the single frame reset notes didn't make > it! Very odd. I'm very comfortable with Midi editing in Logic > so it would be a bit of a learning curve to go elsewhere, but > at this point i'll try anything! As I understand it ( so could be way off ;-) You're using Logic to host soft synths played live, while it also sends out sequenced midi to the EDPs. When everything's running and you're playing in notes from your keyboard the sequenced midi is dropping notes. So it's not an EDP problem as such. Without the diagram I'm kinda guessing. 1) Possibly it's logic can't handle all that live and sequenced midi 2) possibly the drivers for the midi interface are the problem 3) OSX could theoretically not be up to it. If the audio isn't breaking up at all, then a "bigger" mac is unlikely to solve. So some tentative fixes for the above scenarios 1) a) ask on a Logic related forum, any bugfixes you need to install? b)Host the soft synths for live playing in a different host. (e.g. Bidule) 2)a) make sure you have latest version of the drivers b) try an alternative (or additional) midi interface 3) wish I hadn't said that :-) andy > > Anyway, most of the above is included in the diagram, any help would > be very very gratefully received. I've included some screenshots > from Logic which should give a g



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