From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 00:29:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D63B83BE84; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:29:54 UTC Message-ID: From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <003601c983cd$767b3490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <55c7bc950901311142m58e952e6l96139b70ffc84ffa@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0901311213j30b3383bp62f62d59e43a13f1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: nerds with toys Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:23:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <5GrYbC.A.8fH.D0OhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:29:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, if I'm going to a live performance, I do like the performers = to interact with the audience. I don't mind the knob twiddling as long = as the performer does acknowledge the existence of the audience. People = generally do expect more at a live performance than just a replay of the = recording. Honestly, that is one of the reasons that I don't go to many = stadium shows. Interaction between the artists and the audience makes = the evening much more fun. I have noted that my favorite looping performers have altered their = styles over time to include a greater interaction with the audience. = They still do the same amount of knob twiddling, but use simple = techniques of eye contact and stories between pieces to draw the = audience in to what they are doing. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally, if I'm going to a live = performance, I=20 do like the performers to interact with the audience.  I don't mind = the=20 knob twiddling as long as the performer does acknowledge the existence = of the=20 audience.  People generally do expect more at a live performance = than just=20 a replay of the recording.  Honestly, that is one of the reasons = that I=20 don't go to many stadium shows.  Interaction between the artists = and the=20 audience makes the evening much more fun.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 04:34:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45DE3BE81; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:34:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE nerds with toys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote: "I couldn't find anything in the original article to say that livelooping can be anything other than building up layers. If anything, that's the myth that hurts us by turning off potential listeners." I agree with you, Andy, but I think we have to see this article as it lies in a broader context. I interviewed for well over an hour for this article with and, in that interview, I tried to give props out to all the interesting live loopers in this community who are doing innovative things with looping, many of which are not pop oriented singer/songwriter oriented approaches (and some who are). But the fact of the matter is the Boston Globe is a populist newspaper and just out of necessity, can't be encyclopedic, scholarly or even thorough about musical phenomenas. Additionally, the paper is going to radically limit the number of words that can be printed. The journalist, Adam Conner-Simons was enthusiastic and thorough in his interview but I knew that much of what I relayed or even artists that I tried to talk about or the history of our movement would not make the final cut. It's just the nature of mainstream print journalism and even web journalism these days. But what happens to our movement as a whole as the result of us getting coverage, albeit limited, from magazines like Guitar Player, the Boston Globe, the O'Reilly Digital Media site, etc, is that it legitimizes our efforts to promote when we are talking with regional journalists, radio DJs and , eventually television producers. I am keeping a constant , upgraded file with all the live looping articles I find in prestigious and/or popular journals and I send them immediately to the press or even to venues or festivals that I'm trying to book. They are little 'badges of legitimacy'. On some levels , for the hard corp and the 'converted' amongst us, this might seem hollow, but it is not........................it is a very legitimate way to popularize what we do so that we can make our scene grow. Let's face it, if a few hundred people who read these articles only to receive a cursory understanding of what's really going on in the trenches of the movement and amongst the innovators go out and buy a Looperlative or Ableton's Live or a laptop to run Mobius, Sooperlooper, August Loop or whatever, it will stimulate the engineers and designers of these machines and programs to further innovate and we'll all profit from it. It will mean that the people putting on looping festivals will, eventually be able to get economic sponsors to actually pay all the people who pay out of their pockets to present their amazing music to the world. I envision some amazing collaborations for upcoming Y2K festivals, but currently, I can't raise enough money and audiences just don't provide enough door income to manifest some of these ideas. That said and done, the amount of money I've been able to raise in the past few years is vastly more than three years ago and it would be raising as we speak (if it were not for the awful state of the global economy right now) So, I say, let the KT Tunstalls and the Joseph Arthurs and the Imogen Heaps of the world get the first mainstream press about live looping.....................we're still out on the crest of the way trying hard to lead the way. If articles about them increase interest in live looping, we'll be the next wave of artists who will benefit from it all. It's always been the nature of innovative artists.................very few of them make the top of the pops, but it doesn't mean that we aren't having a huge influence on that scene because we aren't yet mentioned. We will be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 06:39:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF87B3BE84; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:24:23 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: One Hour on the Upper West Side photo essay on Flickr Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3TY6jB.A.ggF.8OUhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I posted a new photo essay on Flickr -- images take during an hour's walk over a few blocks of the Upper West Side of Manhattan. Check it out if you can. Thanks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157613177067123/ The images in "One Hour on the Upper West Side" were taken within 3 blocks of the intersection of Broadway and 100th Street in Manhattan on Jan 25, 2009, between 1:16 PM and 2:17 PM. It was a crisp, sunny day, with strong winter light interacting with the bustle of Broadway and the architectural detail on the side streets. The light came almost straight up Broadway, giving the strong shadows seen in the photos of foot traffic. I shot over 280 pictures, and the 48 images presented here are shown in the order taken. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 10:05:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB6D3BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dhinCkfxycj6sFVn51TTmARYyL/pnHdbL2gej9DbUZk=; b=bKk6gtJAgMDMF2EoJfhhYP2qw09F9hqzqclGXMq0xqI5k0Qs8/JR7VasNS8myJB1V9 DtzXubazCnBtkX/S6SWMLU7LKSNuB4KJ5WlE8SictuqXAxiI3Lmvqt8NUfZdPQ/qPP2q uDQJKjKBgrs/A6m4vpe1MS4EoTK9fvjSkuP6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jQdBZhe7gKQFXidK8VK+1/9AI9e6j9D8eCMswTnWGH7qnpOk8z3iheDnHaFET8pWWn 5Cxo5KyoQETXFvvMNDk50LDzXmH/P0xkPejuCulh2YIht69/ALeqt4q1Afu9F54/PvLH VDLwnV9X3XgGDBRvw4s46afVZMvmKsVbjwF6I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <003601c983cd$767b3490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <55c7bc950901311142m58e952e6l96139b70ffc84ffa@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0901311213j30b3383bp62f62d59e43a13f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0902010205g74912f9cme65b35a418c4f353@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: nerds with toys From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-6dofD.A.VNC.rPXhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) It's funny that I have experienced the opposite issue! ;-)) At many gigs people that come there to watch expect those on the stage to do a lot more hands-on with the laptop. For this reason I try to kick off certain looper comands from laptop keys instead of instantly doing it "on the side" by a floor pedal while playing a physical instrument up front. Just to add a little laptop mangling to the show. There's also another problem for us public performers in live looping and that is that your second instrument - the looper - in the perception of the audience has a musical latency that may vary from two seconds to several minutes. I like to make sure the audience understands that I play two instruments, the one they an see (guitar, sax, flute, gongs etc) and the looper. If they see me kicking pedals like a maniac while playing flute and the flute just sounds normal, they are in fact watching me playing the looper and the stuff I do then will not be heard in the music until the loop returns back again. At some concerts I have, mistakenly, thought that "people here are not that stupid, they certainly know I'm looping live all improvised..." but then someone who liked the show comes up afterward with funny questions like "impressing how you can remember to follow those complex backtracks and hit the key changes like that" ;-)) So as far as it doesn't turn you into a lame school teacher clown you may educate the audience a little. The public picture of looping as "cheating the band effect" has been mentioned in this thread. My way to fight back this prejudice is to rarely use more than one instrument in one piece. I rather play around with the looper to extend the sound of the physical instrument I play in that song. Then I may change physical instrument for the next song. If looping in duo or trio I may change instrument during a piece though, because then it is a way for me to adapt to the collective music evolution process. --> Related: Generally, improvising musician have always had the same problem with the audience not understanding what they are doing on stage. There are so many times, after a gig with totally improvised music, that people refuse to believe that the music they just heard was improvised. They kind of go "but hey - that can't be improvised 'cause I heard many melodies in there and I tell you heard the piano player change chord where the melody turned and the bass player too...." It's just impossible to argue with them so many times it's just simpler to keep improvising but pretend you are playing compositions - because no one would believer the truth anyway ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Personally, if I'm going to a live performance, I do like the performers to > interact with the audience. I don't mind the knob twiddling as long as the > performer does acknowledge the existence of the audience. People generally > do expect more at a live performance than just a replay of the recording. > Honestly, that is one of the reasons that I don't go to many stadium shows. > Interaction between the artists and the audience makes the evening much more > fun. > > I have noted that my favorite looping performers have altered their styles > over time to include a greater interaction with the audience. They still do > the same amount of knob twiddling, but use simple techniques of eye contact > and stories between pieces to draw the audience in to what they are doing. 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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C98443.E12E1A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:23:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8963BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 137328293/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.168.157/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.168.157 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgBAHsxhUlPTqid/2dsb2JhbAAIxm2EFAaFUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,359,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="137328293" Message-ID: <4985A3E9.309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:30:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE nerds with toys References: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Andy wrote: > "I couldn't find anything in the original article to say that > livelooping can be anything other than building up layers. > > If anything, that's the myth that hurts us by turning off potential > listeners." hi Rick, this wasn't intended as a criticism of the article per se, rather to point out that it doesn't address the points raised by the mailman guy. It's a nice article, I'm glad to see it mentioning the local guys and identifying the use of live looping by established acts. You're quite right, there's certainly no cause to be picky about what publicity we can muster, and that's indeed a very fine piece of publicity. > > It will mean that the people putting on looping festivals will, > eventually be able to get economic sponsors > to actually pay all the people who pay out of their pockets to present > their amazing music to the world. > Surely that's more likely to come about if we can somehow explain that we have something to offer other than that which is already presented by mainstream artists...says Andy, aged 47. keep up the good work andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:35:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1340B3BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qeCv/iNqOR3+DRr3UbcWZYgybGzRchLWUh9EybeOSjus3sWV1e6lgxU78O8TJBHcBGoawWC8UPrgJai8eEHBbjjt4WeWGdXlG3LkC5AEEpBHGtJOoEhpG9BvR7bUc6wQHAc61yXeNtgFLioNkM8s3FgESUJyobf/+ETZDFyObyI=; X-YMail-OSG: GKetY3kVM1nIrznE1ew7uqtUCggG8ES1sGoPikorwf4_4TQfAJNorzyu6F0S4eLLMaCuRqQga3ybWh8fdTmoFup.ncu4C3O2tX.ODl4ZReB4FDGDPfdizdYDPRRu4jdoe9cS.D3KTUxUxVREW6JKaFo0lcuT31zzRtqgpKbgIJHT5RAtiTBomSiebW1tTC5DP7U- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 05:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0901310820n391a5e0fs332538b869dd6cba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <108506.99280.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per this is a very good idea,he has just bought a Behringer FCB1010 as well,but how would you midi chain the whole thing then for best results?i would assume out from my FCB to his FCB and then to the soundcard,with the midi merge function on his FCB1010 turned on,correct? Xavier from Gordius was also mentioning that chaining 2 midi controllers can add latency as well which is not good because this guy is not used to looping;-( also i realize that a lo of people here using drum boxes prefer syncronisation to the looper instead of looping the drum grooves within the looper and post manipulation (pitch,reverse halfspeed etc.)i actually like it better that way,only drawback you have to reach the machine start the drum loop record it and stop the machine afterwards. What would be really efficient is to have drum samples already saved within a paused Mobius track and then bulid up loops and trigger the grooves at will,but mobius has crashed on me when ive tried doing this maybe i am doing something wrong? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 8:20 AM > Let him loop at a track of his own in Mobius on your laptop! > Assign > that track input to a dedicated physical input on your > audio interface > and write a few scripts for his commands. The point with > scripts is > that you can use the line "for 8" (if Track 8 is > where he is going to > loop). Then simply give him some MIDI pedal to control > Record, Overdub > and Multiply. Make sure the MIDI events sent from his are > not the same > number and channel as you are using. > > This should equal the set-up to jam together with two > EDP's, except > for that you miss out on the EDP special Brother Sync. You > start with > a loop and your percussionist adds stuff or takes away > stuff on his > Tack 8. > > Excited to hear reports on how this goes! The EDP brother > sync > sessions we did when Matthias Grob and Rick Walker visited > me here in > Sweden worked out very well and I know one other Swedish > folk music > duo that uses Mobius with this "sharing dedicated > tracks" set-up. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I have an upcoming loop show on the 27th of February > in Radolfzell Germany,this time ive invited the > percussionist from my latin band who plays not only latin > percussion but being greek he plays all the arabic > instruments as well.I have just recently turned him on to > Mobius,he has never looped and i am gathering tips on ways > to loop as a duo. > > The easiest way offcourse would be to have him > accompany me,or me looping his percussion and adding my > parts,or the other way syncing 2 macbooks with mobius.This > one makes me a bit tipsy because ive never looped synced > with 2 laptops and i keep hearing that there are problems > doing it that way.We also want to use perhaps with drum > loops and grooves to add at will. > > So for you looper duos out there,how are u shaking it? > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:46:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6C63BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tQc81SO1gBtvTUiMiocMW2CYx0+ALnYqmrO90/i1zDJy7+9YyM0HkZA/uEk+8v1BsfwUo8LhMr7nltzuBNXOh9n1UpbKiaHNp5QskwF1615ZLEmgjuGVSZqyyxR06jeA46abaamtTHUF9Zw7yg9Inde1gHMt/pXqRiPSEbkFGlM=; X-YMail-OSG: dYGlbgEVM1nxDIYdRIrDHWo9oSj6BMwYX2QknC.Tiozs09ByGElvOFwfp1h21LZ01Fah8tFm7AfEapXwHbOLnfbFVSsbAJJXTVagb5qioENtH1IR30VwPjdq_A2kZW5poI6N3sAXx4DnR.IwxJaDGn2cyczdJNma5GVamVoXzVkUmJ_uV2xVgXwNDsX4KRA6SxQdPjspNKqaVGD9UKp_y.eA_RoHKPVwpwoRMsSKGefgHTKQFUKWVkxgDgU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <0FA574118DAB410C916A7DCFC463C16C@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <45290.65562.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, thanx buddy but man i am already getting a bit nervous about this...;-) maybe i should just let him accompany the loops...after all this guy is an = octopus he has a little percussion kit where he does 3 or four things at a = time,clave with his foot,cowbell with the other,guiro and the whole conga p= attern with one hand, i think once he would loop that he would just sit the= re wondering what else he could add;-)) i also recently brought him a bat=E1 stand from the states so he can do all= of the bata cuban santeria rhythms himself,we used to get together 3 of us= and everybody would do his part but now hes gettin the shit down himself like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZuemMupzgo cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 1/31/09, William Walker wrote: > From: William Walker > Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:02 PM > Though I can't give you any feedback on your looping > tools now that you're a > MoBo software guy, I can tell you what I know works. >=20 > Things to consider, are you wanting to switch the > master/slave sync > relationship? Will you be the constant clock source? If > it's the former I > suggest getting together before the gig, hooking it up, and > seeing if it can > work smoothly, which would allow greater performance > flexibility, as either > person can start the first loop. Tech rehearsals always > seem to mean less > perspiration come gig time. >=20 > If you are acting as the master only, Per's idea > sounds the most logical > but would require an additional midi pedal and perhaps a > small midi merge > box, as well as the time it takes for the script writing. > I've had good luck > looping percussionists, but it takes some practice to get > smooth at it if > you are trying to achieve precise groove loops. If you have > a drum machine, > try running it through your looper, un-synced and work on > your punch in > punch out timing, creating drum loops. The drum machine > don't lie, and it's > a good way to get familiar with what ever latency is > inherent in your > looping rig, not to mention your rhythmic acuity. If your > band mate is new > to looping, you might avoid train wrecks by looping him, > particularly if you > have no time to get together. This does however give you > more things to > multi task, and if you ask me we could all stand to do a > little less multi > tasking. Last night as I was leaving Trader Joes with the > much needed half > in half, I nearly was run over by a guy on roller skates,=20 > who was weaving, > talking on a cell phone and with the other hand holding a > potted plant, and > I believe under the influence, hear nearly skated himself > through a plate > glass window trying to avoid me. Now that is way too much > multi > tasking....;-) >=20 > I've only had experience clocking hardware loops, The > looperlative does this > really well, without the need for a midi patch bay, If each > person was using > a midi foot controller that had thru capability. Most good > ones from the > FCB1010 on up do. Each person needs to be on a different > midi channel, and > each person has to have a preset for sync record/overdub > for the master, and > midi sync record/overdub for the slave. >=20 > Bill=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 14:31:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765533BE85; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 65898 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:31:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9HwlzCTSYaRuAu76VUnvgquPyWpLfnxmPiRsmxuVEk8=; b=Y0jlpp4FeSEL/Dxn04rOPPnYFlCjJ2/94KPIEnI/ZbijqGDNomTtIuCnzfD0LXUpgX 3XRwnbccOHFvZ6HRFh6Ju7+f+gqNlAi8ido+IbZzeG+7oYt3TyXJBrseyF+/kR/wPTWI H+j4LTJ2BzkmGaT/PPNdTwM6n/wU/VxP1wtzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=XAHv9W4/qddLquSyfkqsSOTVNhWXO/NXErx8RZ1KgoV3+1BhEl2mCmjhXiqAksYl4l kWcq3WdYWxVlMjtWoXXO4XUnL9TVwKKyra9mDN1FTH4Lw3qxpz115k9mK2e3snxItjco 3ig+haQVqWd0q6paMr/tuotQRd13MRpE3hA7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:31:36 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8079c78883fb6851 Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Hints at multi -plexing Re-visited.. From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo Gang, I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also mentio= ned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to do i= n advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if yo= u start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing the SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to use my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, but now with that one as slave, or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it u= p again? (000). 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? fo= r running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start with that one (will probably do that anyway) Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for example... Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.= . Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merge box t= o split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator cheers, Mark --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo Gang,

I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I poste= d queries about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any= ). I also mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would d= are to try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...)

Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to = do in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those= doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang.

OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual)

= 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if = you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing th= e SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to us= e my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi = note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then,  I STOP EDP1... what happen= s, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? Can I now use EDP2=B4s runn= ing loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, but now with that one as sla= ve, or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start = it up again? (000).

2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?= ? for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it = only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start= with that one (will probably do that anyway) Im assuming that you cant get= DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for exam= ple...


Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest = a route..
Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I = have Midi OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to= a Merge box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lot= s of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from mer= ge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator

cheers, Mark

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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
--001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:27:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9D483BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=138bhixrrWtwLa9wYYQfWOGT+0dWg1d3VFjm5FA8yXUL7Plo+MvG3KNzTrqVRznfyA4nDcw9x8Hmd8lpzQy8XbiBIQcX+mLbI0iZXqFUK2y3kYJcH/kLuelGJ2FWWK6KiYAGFJQvn4s1+Q+0r88FLfneT51JZ7vcwqMF/xrz6RY=; X-YMail-OSG: P7rm1Y0VM1nhkgdKXw5UpUOFzuuT3NWDlNJ8nYkW3A6lfAV.AT99PANMOyjd2xbe_1cr0QWv1auwLficQSHLsRv3rZfSNZW6cu0rgVBrsGJ5eKMcSMWZolTu1WfoheL3Q1UbwDMqH7gDbWCdEykQTyokeNeNQ.NE2WPAUusQc76SbR9Y5pLZwkzL0M34QcmmmhzBE9EQK3ulNj5o7PGlJa94BtIEbrKoidEcx8nGcmIK8yH2VSyqMWhgLbwBhnZL X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0901290157i625fc0d5y44c8758cd8f798d5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks where beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the dude said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even take it! Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go skiing;-) But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty... www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe wrote: > From: mark francombe > Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM > > but my gut tells me China > > and India need cultural transformation to take over > world leadership. > > > > Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the > world??? > > In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he > oversees a > department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!! > When I talked to > him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason, > we in the west > think that just because they have their "colourful > culture" we think that > they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he > said, yes Ive seen > that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will > always be ahead in > technology, he said, and look how they treat their > employees... > > I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural > "about turn" is on the > cards, and that the third world becomes the first world... > but I DO believe > that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world > countries to catch up, > thru technology... > > And a less greedy work ethic... > > As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference > even between here > and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway, > everyone who wants > one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health > care, good > wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change > the other day, I > was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free > Coke that I hate... > I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the > drink... he said.. Coca > Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking > company... then HIS > mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked > away... Over here > even the beggars are fussy!!! > > I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us, > if they havent > already... > > > Mark > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:35:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EFED3BE81; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 140865847/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.168.157/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.168.157 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgBAHFQhUlPTqid/2dsb2JhbAAIxmGEFAaFUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,360,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="140865847" Message-ID: <4985C2F2.1070504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:42:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hints at multi -plexing Re-visited.. References: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Yo Gang, > > I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries > about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP´s (maybe there isnt any). I also if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much can go wrong with brothersync. Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't be much use to you. If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you'll have some of the stereo problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're not recording from reset. Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible. > mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to > try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) > > Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to > do in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to > those doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. > > OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) > > 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master > and start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what > happens if you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a > bit (changing the SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this > performance at least to use my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one > with the EDPs pedal... not midi note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. > then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still > going?? still going >Can I now use EDP2´s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 > again, but now with that one as slave, yep > or does EDP1 still know its > MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it up again? (000). nope brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master > > 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? > for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it > only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS > start with that one (will probably do that anyway) probably best > Im assuming that you > cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against > 16ths for example... you could > > > Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.. > Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi > OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a > Merge box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 > lots of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out > from merge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator > > cheers, Mark > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 16:53:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2556B3BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LK6N4s7oSHAnOhm3w84Lt+yfCoukugE9Mk4LiuFiDP8=; b=pUa1En2KjsronOiKTF5dqPCRtGRhxff8/50ECV2KSuEWUAdKK4/vPDwCHAYMEiEt4m 0Qw7uo9DJHmCVpAKz6M7J5uy1ur/yYzDiAcHcTYdiSCyXoSf+RTrRdS4fph9mKpy5NuP xVtw1zkaQLZjepAkobS6h3YjaBtNeYTvvBVzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=fKjoLZndMOU4eJJATCzs8NYAfwVZzD0LM4YUyJjqXsHeHMIguWzqqOQ8hRuui3M3k1 D7NTZVzYvdxBAiqOf6nXJSPljZFyHTb4pp8+TPokgHZ36CSZBqe6K1oNPTxJxL6jgK46 1kBdvvIlGZGYu1IvuqUMKF/6aOB4yizTUoabg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9ab0c76f0901290157i625fc0d5y44c8758cd8f798d5@mail.gmail.com> <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:53:06 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2ddc3057e4d646a Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0902010853i68fc9f58i9de39846354e438d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Totally unrelated... but YOUR story put me in mind of when I WAS A PUNK.. 1982ish I guess... living in Portsmouth UK, (big naval port) and when a big American Ship like the Nimmitz was in (10,000 yank sailors with pockets full of money to burn on their 3 days shore leave) we would go down town and get our photos taken with them for 10 quid a shot.. Well ok the our GIRLS did.. we hung around and looked dangerous... (or stupid, whichever... I was once called a "green haired faggot!") m On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks > where beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the > dude said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even take > it! > Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go > skiing;-) > But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty... > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe wrote: > > > From: mark francombe > > Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about > changes in the digital media age > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM > > > but my gut tells me China > > > and India need cultural transformation to take over > > world leadership. > > > > > > > > Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the > > world??? > > > > In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he > > oversees a > > department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!! > > When I talked to > > him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason, > > we in the west > > think that just because they have their "colourful > > culture" we think that > > they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he > > said, yes Ive seen > > that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will > > always be ahead in > > technology, he said, and look how they treat their > > employees... > > > > I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural > > "about turn" is on the > > cards, and that the third world becomes the first world... > > but I DO believe > > that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world > > countries to catch up, > > thru technology... > > > > And a less greedy work ethic... > > > > As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference > > even between here > > and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway, > > everyone who wants > > one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health > > care, good > > wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change > > the other day, I > > was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free > > Coke that I hate... > > I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the > > drink... he said.. Coca > > Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking > > company... then HIS > > mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked > > away... Over here > > even the beggars are fussy!!! > > > > I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us, > > if they havent > > already... > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > www.markfrancombe.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > > www.looop.no > > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Totally unrelated... but YOUR  story put me in mind of when I WAS A PU= NK.. 1982ish I guess... living in Portsmouth UK, (big naval port) and when = a big American Ship like the Nimmitz was in (10,000 yank sailors with pocke= ts full of money to burn on their 3 days shore leave) we would go down town= and get our photos taken with them for 10 quid a shot.. Well ok the our GI= RLS did.. we hung around and looked dangerous... (or stupid, whichever... I= was once called a "green haired faggot!")

m


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM,= L.Angulo <laba= loops@yahoo.com> wrote:
funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks whe= re beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the du= de said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even = take it!
Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go s= kiing;-)
But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty...

www.mysp= ace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

> From: mark francombe <mar= k@markfrancombe.com>
> Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video abou= t  changes in the digital media age
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM
> >  but my gut tells me China
> > and India need cultural transformation to take over
> world leadership.
>
>
>
> Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the
> world???
>
> In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he
> oversees a
> department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!!
> When I talked to
> him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason,
> we in the west
> think that just because they have their "colourful
> culture" we think that
> they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he
> said, yes Ive seen
> that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will
> always be ahead in
> technology, he said, and look how they treat their
> employees...
>
> I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural
> "about turn" is on the
> cards, and that the third world becomes the first world...
> but I DO believe
> that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world
> countries to catch up,
> thru technology...
>
> And a less greedy work ethic...
>
> As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference
> even between here
> and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway,
> everyone who wants
> one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health
> care, good
> wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change
> the other day, I
> was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free
> Coke that I hate...
> I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the
> drink... he said.. Coca
> Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking
> company... then HIS
> mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked
> away... Over here
> even the beggars are fussy!!!
>
> I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us,
> if they havent
> already...
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
> htt= p://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
> www.looop.no







--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
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From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Resent-Message-ID: <9f_xAB.A.2HG.xSdhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:58:25 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Andy.. little less worried... care to answer the where doth the midi clock come from question?? MASTER, SLAVE, or BOTH On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: > >> Yo Gang, >> >> I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries abo= ut >> the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also >> > > if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much can g= o > wrong with brothersync. > > Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't be > much use to you. > > If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you'll > have some of the stereo > problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're not > recording from reset. > > Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible= . > > > mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to >> try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) >> >> Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to d= o >> in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those >> doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. >> >> OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) >> >> 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master >> and start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happen= s if >> you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing= the >> SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to u= se >> my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi >> note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, >> does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? >> > > still going > > Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again= , >> but now with that one as slave, >> > > yep > > or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start i= t >> up again? (000). >> > > nope > > brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master > > > >> 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? >> for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it >> only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS st= art >> with that one (will probably do that anyway) >> > > probably best > > Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each >> EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for example... >> > > you could > > >> >> Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a >> route.. >> Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi >> OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merg= e >> box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of >> effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge >> goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator >> >> cheers, Mark >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >> www.looop.no >> > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Andy.. little less worried... care to answer the where doth the midi= clock come from question?? MASTER, SLAVE, or BOTH

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, andy butler <= ;akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


mark francombe wrote:
Yo Gang,

I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries about = the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also

if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much= can go wrong with brothersync.

Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't b= e much use to you.

If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you&= #39;ll have some of the stereo
problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're= not recording from reset.

Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible.<= div class=3D"Ih2E3d">


mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to try= this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...)

Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to do i= n advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those doi= ng this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang.

OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual)

1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if = you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing th= e SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to us= e my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi = note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then,  I STOP EDP1... what happen= s, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going??

still going

Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, b= ut now with that one as slave,

yep


or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it u= p again? (000).

nope

brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master




2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? fo= r running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it only= comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start wit= h that one (will probably do that anyway)

probably best


Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.= . 8ths against 16ths for example...

you could



Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.= .
Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi OUT= into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merge box = to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of effets i= n a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge goes to Ro= land guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator

cheers, Mark

--
www.markfr= ancombe.com <http://www.markfrancombe.com>

http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http= ://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://w= ww.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no &l= t;http://www.looop.no= >




--
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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
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--000e0cd32d06b07d7b04638f7a4a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 05:44:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C543BE7C; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JoyugsF4J2jWDJgGlWbh38bg0Jdk4mzo1GvWkPabeDI=; b=a4uxdJ4pPqYOkSKQpxpbNCJu4VNCdqUhTUj8a0JNaitrIYTGQZu+SEmYyz58dXWPHv oGpojixM7M/nzy0EGE7FzyJ5ELlJxPX5091OvcxuwEkFf6AzKFQ9QGbjnGjI/6EX5ClG /euBOyS0l/Tuo32jPCe91J9B0IqQc7jYwQVgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mgJBqK2wgLcWw6IMSh4iYb6GKKhVCsJSrhwyLUP2xNDwijFN1CGdeHw1r4YI/0z0vn PanyjL9PUAYUhhfKlLDlOGPZlDK2g89zJtszc7O80Dkjcw/wGSG+s2D0txDECLiJfO5L ecu1x8Ap1hmK6VBoS6kpoPvK7SdMOYpi3aE7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <333287c30902222143y6e6b0261ra372d2cdfc3d763c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0902221502x792d04c7wdd7755a69a1459c5@mail.gmail.com> <333287c30902222143y6e6b0261ra372d2cdfc3d763c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:44:38 -0800 Message-ID: <333287c30902222144s1d5c3ab8u5e370080a901af15@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: old discussion regarding dynamics From: Nevyn Nowhere To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd23ef098a22204638f7f01 Resent-Message-ID: <7Tb7XC.A.6aG.IfjoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:44:40 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd23ef098a22204638f7f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oops, meant rainer On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Nevyn Nowhere wrote: > Luca, what examples of good brickwall compression usage would you speak of > from your experiences? I don't believe I've had the opportunity to hear it > used properly on on overall mix, although I have heard it used well on this > or that track... I'd be interested to see a new perspective. > > -nn > happyhumans.org > > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Rainer Straschill < > moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Luca said: >> "I didn't go into details, but I think it brings an important >> encouragement to avoid brickwall compression." >> >> Sorry Luca, but I believe that a statement like this invalidates >> itself simply by not going into the details. To encourage avoiding >> brickwall compression (limiting) is as worthless with regard to obtain >> optimum results (though not necessarily as bad) as suggesting to get >> it "as loud as possible" or that "an average RMS level of -12dB is the >> optimum for every rock or pop record". >> >> A brickwall limiter, used properly, can be a very valuable tool both >> in live recording, studio tracking and mastering. For some (very >> basic) thoughts on the use of limiters (German language article), I >> care to suggest this: >> http://homerecording.de/modules/AMS/article.php?storyid=665 >> >> Having said the above, let me say again that yes, I believe there is a >> lot of damage done in today's masters and mixes by improper use of >> dynamic processing. >> >> Best, >> >> Rainer >> >> (ps: if anyone cares for a contemporary record with some dynamics >> left, check out http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/36542 - self marketing >> off) >> >> > --000e0cd23ef098a22204638f7f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oops, meant rainer

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 a= t 9:43 PM, Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com> wrote:
Luca, what examples of good brickwall compression usage would you speak of = from your experiences?  I don't believe I've had the opportuni= ty to hear it used properly on on overall mix, although I have heard it use= d well on this or that track... I'd be interested to see a new perspect= ive.

-nn
happyhumans= .org


On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Rainer Straschill = <moinsound= @googlemail.com> wrote:
Luca said:
"I didn't go into details, but I think it brings an important
encouragement to avoid brickwall compression."

Sorry Luca, but I believe that a statement like this invalidates
itself simply by not going into the details. To encourage avoiding
brickwall compression (limiting) is as worthless with regard to obtain
optimum results (though not necessarily as bad) as suggesting to get
it "as loud as possible" or that "an average RMS level of -1= 2dB is the
optimum for every rock or pop record".

A brickwall limiter, used properly, can be a very valuable tool both
in live recording, studio tracking and mastering. For some (very
basic) thoughts on the use of limiters (German language article), I
care to suggest this:
http://homerecording.de/modules/AMS/article.php?storyid=3D= 665

Having said the above, let me say again that yes, I believe there is a
lot of damage done in today's masters and mixes by improper use of
dynamic processing.

Best,

          Rainer

(ps: if anyone cares for a contemporary record with some dynamics
left, check out http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/36542 - self marketing
off)



--000e0cd23ef098a22204638f7f01-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 05:49:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D423BE7C; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6108267AF8784D29BE966871B77B4A28@ccs.local> From: "BC" To: References: <20090222192136.0D6703BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> <20090222234100.M48456@cruzio.com> <9ab0c76f0902221613q579d737emb5f6d6662c586fd9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Live Looping: it pops up everywhere Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:50:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C99550.AFEFF230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:49:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C99550.AFEFF230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some good points were raised about the Boomerang, all of which I agree = with, but there are some downsides: Sound quality - There is definite degradation of sound upon playback, a=20 slight "transistor radio" feel to it. I notice that if I use a software looper = like=20 Mobius or the others, the playback is pristine. Ditto with the old Jamman. Not so with the Boomerang. The loss of fidelity is slight but=20 unmistakable.If you can overlook that, it is a great looper to start out with. The only other problem I have with the 'Rang is the arcane way you have = to program it. Don't expect nice, intuitive dials and switches to set your=20 prefs. Rather, you will be asked to click different combinations of the=20 footswitches and watching whether LEDs are on, off, dim, or bright. For $400, I would expect a little bit more of an intuitive interface. Oh, for what it's worth, the volume control does not go down to zero, so you can never roll it down to a complete fadeout. Again, this post is meant to make you aware of the downsides, as the upsides have already been expressed. It's a great starter device but = only if a slight but noticeable loss in fidelity is acceptable. It's extremely = easy=20 to use in a live situation. Brian C. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: Best and worst features > Hello, I would love to hear feedback from anyone who owns one of the > following Loopers. > Would you be into providing your perspectives on the 3 Best and Worst > aspects of any of these products. > > 1. EH 2880 > 2. Boss RC50 > 3. Looperlative LP-1 > 4. BE RiffBox > 5. Boomerang > > I'm helping someone do some research and would appreciate your = feedback. > Thanks > Bill > ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C99550.AFEFF230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some good points were raised about the Boomerang, all of which I = agree=20 with,
but there are some downsides:

Sound quality - There is = definite=20 degradation of sound upon playback, a
slight
"transistor radio" = feel to=20 it. I notice that if I use a software looper like
Mobius
or the = others,=20 the playback is pristine. Ditto with the old Jamman.

Not so with = the=20 Boomerang. The loss of fidelity is slight but
unmistakable.If
you = can=20 overlook that, it is a great looper to start out with.

The only = other=20 problem I have with the 'Rang is the arcane way you have to
program = it. Don't=20 expect nice, intuitive dials and switches to set your =
prefs.
Rather, you=20 will be asked to click different combinations of the =
footswitches
and=20 watching whether LEDs are on, off, dim, or bright. For $400, I = would
expect a=20 little bit more of an intuitive interface.

Oh, for what it's = worth, the=20 volume control does not go down to zero, so
you can never roll it = down to a=20 complete fadeout.

Again, this post is meant to make you aware of = the=20 downsides, as the
upsides have already been expressed. It's a great = starter=20 device but only if
a slight but noticeable loss in fidelity is = acceptable.=20 It's extremely easy
to
use in a live situation.

Brian=20 C.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
= To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:31 AM
Subject: Best and worst=20 features


> Hello, I would love to hear feedback from = anyone =20 who owns one of the
> following Loopers.
> Would you be into = providing your perspectives on the 3 Best and Worst
> aspects of = any of=20 these products.
>
> 1. EH 2880
> 2. Boss RC50
> = 3.=20 Looperlative LP-1
> 4. BE RiffBox
> 5. = Boomerang
>
> I'm=20 helping someone do some research and would appreciate your = feedback.
>=20 Thanks
> Bill
>
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C99550.AFEFF230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 06:04:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C5F3BE7C; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Mlf+iATeQChtW+AHOQ6oa6ud/9gMUTqeXXZ4rs4/484=; b=ZaCL3j7aizCNp1kckhvMQbwarm0kBTBngi6721NY7BasaF+Vij4ZcddJlQI765+Jpc FN0HAmbKIeRr+mfjrZR87sddIjKVmjyG9ncCluwhiQaHCLiFKBpny7daOKx4vJuX/SpO hAhjun3exlB71c4X/sA9a12aPLFu5RoHIUNK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pZu9OYVPXsnPh8zVZhZFSL4R4+CKO4KFsxDc7z12nNaPHPcEIoUQFH/mpopFYnqmSW Tpz7Yiotg33UFYx9JpgjajMjECaIMhLBIncPRtYLVaB/8WlpvEz4pNCxWyDXBas+mnSy JRIPhwUH2v3kYtC7ZmF5hturUxF51FcPg4XyI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A1E04C.1070201@dehnhard.com> References: <66f9cc1e0902220915t15209809j69cb527cdc52a836@mail.gmail.com> <00a201c9952f$a0dc3f40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0902221452s58a51466w693a5950d6851984@mail.gmail.com> <49A1E04C.1070201@dehnhard.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:04:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: basic Bidule question From: Raul Bonell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <37yBo.A.mPH.3xjoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:04:39 +0000 (UTC) ... hi michael i second per's option. audioswitcher is the sexiest feature in bidule. now you've got the power in your hands. use it carefully!! ra=FCl. 2009/2/23 Tilmann Dehnhard : > per, thanx a lot for sharing this again. > > tilmann > > Per Boysen schrieb: >> >> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm currently having fun using my new Nanokontrol to control faders in >>> Bidule. The Nanokontrol has buttons too. Is it possible to set the >>> processing mode of VST instruments using midi? It would be cool to use >>> the >>> buttons to toggle between "processing" and "mute" so that I can >>> completely >>> switch off stuff that I don't need at the moment, without fumbling arou= nd >>> with mouse and context menus. But the "control with midi" menu only >>> contains >>> all the program internal commands, not the processing mode. >>> >> >> >> Answer: >> Work with the parameter Bidule calls "Processing Mode". It can be sett >> to "processing", "bypass" and some other alternatives. >> >> Comment: >> Personally I prefer another concept though, which is to use the Bidule >> object called "Audio Switcher". It is in essence a big on/off jack >> router for both audio signal paths and audio producing virtual >> instruments (VST or AU). The Audio Switcher takes an audio input at >> the input tags on the roof and directs it to the selected output tag >> under the bottom. Each output tag is hard-wired to a MIDI Program >> Change (1 - 128) and as you select one, all others are automatically >> putting its connected effect/instrument chain into "non processing >> mode". This is a total CPU saving method of swapping between up to 128 >> signal paths, allowing you to build very CPU demanding chains (since >> the non working chains are offloaded the CPU). I tend to prefer >> setting up the same insruments/effects in many parallel chains >> connected to an Audio Switcher, rather than manipulating the Process >> Mode of certain devices in the chain. This whole shebang can also be >> connected to a Bidule Group (custom made thingy) called "Tail >> Preservation" that listens to the signal and fades out a chain you are >> leaving so reverb tails and high release sounds will not be >> immediately cut by the new signal path taking over. >> >> I don't know what computer you are using, but I have found that Bidule >> under Windows has the multi core support working better than the same >> Bidule session running under OS X (on the same computer that is, my >> MacBook). Just telling, so you won't lose time trying to get the multi >> core/processor working under OS X. Bidule is still in beta ;-)) >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se >> www.perboysen.com >> >> >> > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 10:32:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B7C3BE7E; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 568 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:32:50 UTC Message-ID: <7819100.1290391235384601724.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:23:21 +0100 (CET) From: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" Reply-To: "luigimeloni74@libero.it" To: Subject: R: Re: WAY FUCKING OT: apology about getting my facts wrong. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SenderIP: 151.49.232.69 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Well, just for fun... Anyone knows that the Italian government is studying = a=20 law to control blogs and apply censure on the offending (for the moral, the= =20 ethics and religion) ones? And this is intended for social networking, too. If the law passes, then no= =20 more Facebook in Italy, nor Myspace or yahoo groups... Pretty liberal, for a Government led by the owner of three quarters of the= =20 informations networks in italy (i.e. various television networks, and variu= s=20 newspapers and magazines, too). Peace Luigi >----Messaggio originale---- >Da: sfmissionman@yahoo.com >Data: 22/02/2009 18.57 >A: >Ogg: Re: WAY FUCKING OT: apology about getting my facts wrong. > > >What Google DID do in China, however, was agree to censor their search=20 results=C2=A0to be in line with official government policy. So people searc= hing for=20 info on, say, any topic that the government doesn't want the people knownin= g=20 about do not show up in Google results if you search from within China. > >While not as bad as giving up dissidents, they're definitely in bed with B= ig=20 Brother. FWIW. > >-George >http://www.myspace.com/georgeludwigmusic=20 >=C2=A0 > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Rick Walker >To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) >Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:13:03 AM >Subject: WAY FUCKING OT: apology about getting my facts wrong. > >Mech wrote: >"Aw, darn it Rick.=C2=A0 I hate to be an anorak -- well, at least in this= =20 particular case -- because I somewhat dislike the Google guys too. They rea= lly=20 can be arrogant pr*cks. However, in the interest of accuracy in reporting: = that=20 was Yahoo! (not Google) that gave up the dissident journalist's IP addresse= s." > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 10:51:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083D03BE80; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 151605378/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.162.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.162.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnUBAK8NoklPTqLS/2dsb2JhbAAIj3DFN4QPBoZA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,253,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="151605378" Message-ID: <49A280DA.2010802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:56:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: basic Bidule question References: <66f9cc1e0902220915t15209809j69cb527cdc52a836@mail.gmail.com> <00a201c9952f$a0dc3f40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0902221452s58a51466w693a5950d6851984@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0902221452s58a51466w693a5950d6851984@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:51:35 +0000 (UTC) >Bidule is still in beta ;-)) > That's true of course, for many years now, but perhaps needs some explanation. Plogue make their profit from hiring out their expertise to other companies, not from Bidule. To them, Bidule is a flagship advertisement of their skills, rather than a direct source of revenue. So, while it might appear they can't be bothered to finish it, it's rather an ongoing project keeping pace with the latest advances. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 10:55:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17DE43BE7B; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 151141022/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.162.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.162.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmMBAJoPoklPTqLS/2dsb2JhbAAI1RmEDwaGQA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,253,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="151141022" Message-ID: <49A28272.109@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:03:14 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping: it pops up everywhere gone OT Xenakis References: <9ab0c76f0902200312r338c20cdsd13d7982adce38b5@mail.gmail.com> <616409.52249.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0902220423p47f493aco6fba12e5fa342237@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0902220557i1b121bdcpbeb736db6bbba500@mail.gmail.com> <49A19DF9.6040601@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0902221123w10e6bbecm50136f6b8255f029@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0902221219h47d8b501r4aa539ac74a827c6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0902221608p38e03cb8y1a5cdcf49e7da65d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0902221608p38e03cb8y1a5cdcf49e7da65d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1Eu9EB.A.JsC.gCooJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:55:28 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > > > Bad listening. You really should have taken notes and transcribed them > into visual math graphs. Then maybe your jaw had dropped in amazement > ;-)) > > > > I think not.. > > ;-) > yep, I agree with Mark (well, statistically it had to happen eventually) ;-) ..it's up to the performer to communicate what's in the score, otherwise it's "not there". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 10:59:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1BF33BE7E; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eJ/YXincM7B/HQFobxroatqsxvs/3tidPpQSdNOC3pk=; b=FzPKpIcTkL2klYHh4zmwmLJp/+hWsQKRysfenPd9EL8GeIah+LdE7DxuurmmvZICHr K3o/ceK9NA7eZ/5CyG8Vw6cdGYGs2FPfhbeOCFzlrOAn5sHRbIP9oqAups7ZMPqzSY8X S6e9NcEg43skKqg8M/FGC/8WhSJ6Hri6Cflqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gm253okRiYqoG5Vnczl6UwKyBmhD2xVc0cNm2aawJ97X/KDJR7z9SDpwUDSzh8cnYX wt00OaJQZKqKaeapOChwT6jugP9KZK3Vr+WKLglF2v2+gu601sBqBGIdSmw59tPrAEyX n0idRgPNG16zvtVKCDDcbJV405SMuvICmHYqw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A280DA.2010802@tiscali.co.uk> References: <66f9cc1e0902220915t15209809j69cb527cdc52a836@mail.gmail.com> <00a201c9952f$a0dc3f40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0902221452s58a51466w693a5950d6851984@mail.gmail.com> <49A280DA.2010802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:59:25 +0100 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0902230259qc591260va40e3a7e981534c6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: basic Bidule question From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:59:25 +0000 (UTC) >> Bidule is still in beta ;-)) >> >On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:56 AM, andy butler wrote: > That's true of course, for many years now, but perhaps needs some > explanation. > Plogue make their profit from hiring out their expertise > to other companies, not from Bidule. > To them, Bidule is a flagship advertisement of their skills, > rather than a direct source of revenue. > So, while it might appear they can't be bothered to finish it, > it's rather an ongoing project keeping pace with the latest advances. Good point! And I must say that the developers of Bidule at Plogue are very fast on picking up a collaboration if you bring up issues at the Bidule forum. Within minutes they are actively investigating any issue, feature wish or discussion on functionality. Some of the guys that hang on that forum are extremely skilled coders/programmers as well. Quite similar to the Max/MSP list where I have been lurking as well. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 16:55:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7A1B3BE85; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0297643C-014A-4E32-B07A-DE37B04C7B61@glasswing.com> From: richard sales To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <333287c30902220649t2594d4daj99fd76c8329e47ad@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--597124274 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: Appreciating this Home was New W Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:55:13 -0800 References: <499B92D0.8080505@cruzio.com> <333287c30902182108h62ec1b5auacd3416ef592b79d@mail.gmail.com> <499ED038.5050304@googlemail.com> <3fa302e30902200857k277b59adx6bc46252936d7e0c@mail.gmail.com> <333287c30902220649t2594d4daj99fd76c8329e47ad@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:55:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--597124274 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Portland? I'd check out the film festival there. Lots of cool, very, =20= sometimes quite, ummmm, 'experimental' creative types. I found Portland to be a great place for music. In fact, it's a hot =20 spot now! I don't know if they still do the Portand Creativity Conference =20 there.... but it sometimes had some wild stuff. I did some very =20 outside music for them a few times. Lots of ad agency types who can =20 be kind of plastic, but sometimes they're wide open & creative and =20 when they are, they can be quite amazing. Kinda sad but true. Anyhow, =20= the film makers are the place to take adventurous music. The =20 competition is steep, though. That's true everywhere now. If you DO decide to do a looping event there let me know - I know a =20 good promotion person who can help get it out to the public. She =20 costs (some) money, though. She used to run The Bite - very well =20 connected to all of the scenes there. richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Feb 22, 2009, at 6:49 AM, Nevyn Nowhere wrote: > \ > > > The larger umbrella idea strikes me as worthy of consideration. > > I really think it is... Collaboration and crossover is what builds =20 > new spaces, imho. I'm currently also working with a few of the =20 > abundance of local "rock/etc/band" folks to do remixes, to spread =20 > name and sound to folks who currently listen only to whatever they =20 > listen to. > > Think about looper / dj collaborations=97looper / rawker collabs. > > Absolutely. 100 people listen, only 1 or 2 go "hey what a sound". =20= > That's a good thing, one step at a time. If you can take bigger =20 > steps grand, but make no illusions about immediacy. > > Offer to be the "button pusher" for a few rawkers who seem =20 > adventurous. Loop them; mangle them; make it groove; make it heavy=97=20= > above all, make some friends! > > Yes, I do hope to do more of that over this next year. > > -nn > happyhumans.org > richard sales www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-3--597124274 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Portland? I'd check out the = film festival there.  Lots of cool, very, sometimes quite, ummmm, = 'experimental' creative types. 

I found Portland = to be a great place for music.  In fact, it's a hot spot = now!

I don't know if they still do the Portand = Creativity Conference there....  but it sometimes had some wild = stuff.  I did some very outside music for them a few times. =  Lots of ad agency types who can be kind of plastic, but sometimes = they're wide open & creative and when they are, they can be quite = amazing.  Kinda sad but true. Anyhow, the film makers are the place = to take adventurous music.  The competition is steep, though. =  

That's true everywhere now.   =   

If you DO decide to do a looping = event there let me know - I know a good promotion person who can help = get it out to the public.  She costs (some) money, though. =  She used to run The Bite - very well connected to all of the = scenes there.

richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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On Feb 22, = 2009, at 6:49 AM, Nevyn Nowhere wrote:

\


The larger = umbrella idea strikes me as worthy of consideration.  =

I really think it is... Collaboration and = crossover is what builds new spaces, imho.  I'm currently also = working with a few of the abundance of local "rock/etc/band" folks to do = remixes, to spread name and sound to folks who currently listen only to = whatever they listen to. 
 
Think about looper = / dj collaborations=97looper / rawker = collabs. 

Absolutely.  100 people listen, = only 1 or 2 go "hey what a sound".  That's a good thing, one step = at a time.  If you can take bigger steps grand, but make no = illusions about immediacy.
 
Offer to be the = "button pusher" for a few rawkers who seem adventurous.  Loop them; = mangle them; make it groove; make it heavy=97above all, make some = friends!

Yes, I do hope to do more of that over = this next year.
 
-nn
=


=
richard sales
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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= --Apple-Mail-3--597124274-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 17:21:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEFAA3BE82; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:21:45 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:53 +0000 (UTC) In every field, there tend to be fantastic deals on gear that gives the most bang for the buck. In percussion, for example you could, for years, buy a certain brand of the budget CP conga that would be as good as the professional (and highly overpriced) LP congas. Sure, the LPs were Cadillacs and had the heavy duty 'comfort rims', but, essentially, the budget conga produced completely professional sound at half the budget. The reputation of these cheap congas got so good that LP (CP's parent company) quit making the congas in Natural Wood colors (the most popular conga color) just to force professional drummers on a budget to buy the more expensive ones and , eventually, they phased the cheaper ones out altogether to eliminate the competition. Are there any similar stellar deals in Audio cards for PCs (running Win XP)? Or does one have to buy the bullet and plunk down the big bucks for boxes like the RME ones? Do the latest M Audio cards really tank heavily when compared to the pricier sound cards? Are there PCI cards that sound comparable to more pricey breakout boxes? Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in fidelity to the most expensive breakout boxes? ****************************************** I'm building a second PC desktop so that my wife and I can both work, simultaneously on our respective album projects and I don't have an unlimited budget. I picked up a Mackie ONXY satellite system that got good reviews and I got it hella cheap. Now my funky old Creative Labs sound card seems to be biting the dust. I'm wondering if I should buy a second ONXY while they are still available and relatively inexpensive (around $175). *All you audiophile pros out there: what are your recommendations?* *What's the best bang for the buck, financially, for a Sound Card for a PC these days (including older gear that is no longer made but still readily available through places like E Bay)? What can you recommend for a person who loves to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget? * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 17:29:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF3D3BE8E; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d08fSm1j05p6dwdz8pM9JRGeIcaHUIuk3RpHgM48tw0=; b=g/8LLNamCyTHvrZnYcCjyinU0KrvfgNT7jHawiHne2sHaDu8GA243YGVgzkcj3uJLG +lxS/JtLv7tpUWzKubPIQq3JIvbr/W2sR/MgQqRQCZVDjFOJyQ3SSR1nGRDg97iyQVzA JGASctWO5fvlNs9JSz82ZPbHysXZEJOsZvyBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=EvtsA5JzGZdpZB0d3j7QLLOzu5aISABMllSM0PqNaU8uyWcrUaA3C7mXz2MUW45f9z kaolVh4MR9WjDpk5IY3olp9t+enjvwhWKoQq0eCFNxwa54qILbCzgW6cxJ1nY6fNCCWy BK3Z3Ec5K+q7wM2DYvUtW4D1sLmEve5zukyyA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> References: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:29:58 -0700 Message-ID: <588ce11d0902230929i43ea18bas9714a5b67725cde9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f8580304210463995ae9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:29:59 +0000 (UTC) --000e0cd3f8580304210463995ae9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think my M-Audio Revolution 5.1 PCI sound card is killer, but to use it with guitar it needs an external preamp, so I don't end up using it as often as my Line6 TonePort. Super stable and low-latency ASIO drivers, and it sells for around $70. I think it's a much better choice for music than the creative labs stuff, if all you need is stereo in and out. I had an old RME PCI card, and it was great as well, but hard to justify for $300 used when the Revolution 5.1 is so good. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > In every field, there tend to be fantastic deals on gear that gives the > most bang for the buck. > > In percussion, for example you could, for years, buy a certain brand of > the budget CP conga > that would be as good as the professional (and highly overpriced) LP > congas. Sure, the > LPs were Cadillacs and had the heavy duty 'comfort rims', but, > essentially, the budget conga > produced completely professional sound at half the budget. The > reputation of these cheap > congas got so good that LP (CP's parent company) quit making the congas in > Natural Wood > colors (the most popular conga color) just to force professional drummers > on a budget to > buy the more expensive ones and , eventually, they phased the cheaper ones > out altogether to > eliminate the competition. > > Are there any similar stellar deals in Audio cards for PCs (running Win > XP)? > > Or does one have to buy the bullet and plunk down the big bucks for boxes > like the RME ones? > > Do the latest M Audio cards really tank heavily when compared to the > pricier sound cards? > > Are there PCI cards that sound comparable to more pricey breakout boxes? > > Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in > fidelity to > the most expensive breakout boxes? > > ****************************************** > > I'm building a second PC desktop so that my wife and I can both work, > simultaneously on our > respective album projects and I don't have an unlimited budget. > > I picked up a Mackie ONXY satellite system that got good reviews and I got > it hella cheap. > Now my funky old Creative Labs sound card seems to be biting the dust. > I'm wondering if I should > buy a second ONXY while they are still available and relatively inexpensive > (around $175). > > > *All you audiophile pros out there: what are your recommendations?* > > *What's the best bang for the buck, financially, for a Sound Card for a > PC these days (including > older gear that is no longer made but still readily available through > places like E Bay)? > > What can you recommend for a person who loves to live a champagne lifestyle > on a beer budget? > * > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net myspace [dot] com/artsimon --000e0cd3f8580304210463995ae9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think my M-Audio Revolution 5.1 PCI sound card is killer, but to use it w= ith guitar it needs an external preamp, so I don't end up using it as o= ften as my Line6 TonePort. Super stable and low-latency ASIO drivers, and i= t sells for around $70. I think it's a much better choice for music tha= n the creative labs stuff, if all you need is stereo in and out.

I had an old RME PCI card, and it was great as well, but hard to justif= y for $300 used when the Revolution 5.1 is so good.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Rick Walker = <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
In every field, &= nbsp;there tend to be fantastic deals on gear that gives the most bang for = the buck.

In percussion, for example  you could, for years,  buy a certain = brand of the budget CP conga
that would be as good as the professional (and highly overpriced) LP congas= .   Sure,  the
LPs were Cadillacs and had the heavy duty 'comfort rims',  but= , essentially,  the budget conga
produced completely professional sound at half the budget.    The= reputation of these cheap
congas got so good that LP (CP's parent company) quit making the congas= in Natural Wood
colors (the most popular conga color) just to force professional drummers o= n a budget to
buy the more expensive ones and , eventually, they phased the cheaper ones = out altogether to
eliminate the competition.

Are there any similar stellar deals in Audio cards for PCs (running Win XP)= ?

Or does one have to buy the bullet and plunk down the big bucks for boxes l= ike the RME ones?

Do the latest M Audio cards really tank heavily when compared to the pricie= r sound cards?

Are there PCI cards that sound comparable to more pricey breakout boxes?
Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in fid= elity to
the most expensive breakout boxes?

******************************************

I'm building a second PC desktop so that my wife and I can both work, s= imultaneously on our
respective album projects and I don't have an unlimited budget.

I picked up a Mackie ONXY satellite system that got good reviews and I got = it hella cheap.
Now my funky old Creative Labs sound card seems to be biting the dust. &nbs= p; I'm wondering if I should
buy a second ONXY while they are still available and relatively inexpensive= (around $175).


*All you audiophile pros out there:      what are your recom= mendations?*

*What's the best bang for the buck,  financially,  for a Soun= d Card for a PC these days  (including
older gear that is no longer made but still readily available through place= s like E Bay)?

What can you recommend for a person who loves to live a champagne lifestyle= on a beer budget?
*




--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
myspace [dot] com/artsimon<= br> --000e0cd3f8580304210463995ae9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 17:59:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC7C3BE82; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:11 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dqdt2cLaT4BcbHTu4Jj8IdveUVbyBmz9njMHch8epuo=; b=LQY70ty4/eAtwKlIba52Paqmeidu1X7q3mOU+/iWoLyiY8W4uszdXGW0ex84/LvIcB 8CAS479rz1LgkXIH7DNx/pSFrF0U3F0AYm9jp09bGlFnU+giDxwZq6KV54AGp1V4cRNu 9Ua8iwdMau/7QLfVm8VnmiAE0ss9+DJkswBfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=nv6hdTb5CBwvnx71PHaJ+dgFRPEj3DEspjlwO/r8gDOxbjqFiwVW45pdSCaMVUVq4B YTc2Haisz4SqdWzxrjrQ97sLvlETAh2+pUhCDHN1dpga9NFac4yUvQt5N80cNrYm6htG WUOMPMjsEAQO7EruetlJVXYp4h12kx2Tss8wg= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> References: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money From: Tony K To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7NcEZD.A.AvE.vPuoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) I think the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 (PCI) kicks butt for $99. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > In every field, there tend to be fantastic deals on gear that gives the > most bang for the buck. > > In percussion, for example you could, for years, buy a certain brand of > the budget CP conga > that would be as good as the professional (and highly overpriced) LP congas. > Sure, the > LPs were Cadillacs and had the heavy duty 'comfort rims', but, essentially, > the budget conga > produced completely professional sound at half the budget. The reputation > of these cheap > congas got so good that LP (CP's parent company) quit making the congas in > Natural Wood > colors (the most popular conga color) just to force professional drummers on > a budget to > buy the more expensive ones and , eventually, they phased the cheaper ones > out altogether to > eliminate the competition. > > Are there any similar stellar deals in Audio cards for PCs (running Win XP)? > > Or does one have to buy the bullet and plunk down the big bucks for boxes > like the RME ones? > > Do the latest M Audio cards really tank heavily when compared to the pricier > sound cards? > > Are there PCI cards that sound comparable to more pricey breakout boxes? > > Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in > fidelity to > the most expensive breakout boxes? > > ****************************************** > > I'm building a second PC desktop so that my wife and I can both work, > simultaneously on our > respective album projects and I don't have an unlimited budget. > > I picked up a Mackie ONXY satellite system that got good reviews and I got > it hella cheap. > Now my funky old Creative Labs sound card seems to be biting the dust. I'm > wondering if I should > buy a second ONXY while they are still available and relatively inexpensive > (around $175). > > > *All you audiophile pros out there: what are your recommendations?* > > *What's the best bang for the buck, financially, for a Sound Card for a PC > these days (including > older gear that is no longer made but still readily available through places > like E Bay)? > > What can you recommend for a person who loves to live a champagne lifestyle > on a beer budget? > * > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 18:29:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20433BE8E; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:29:13 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PER BOYSEN , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, and everyone else on this list, I need to seriously cut down on my travelling weight for my upcoming tours in Europe this coming summer. If I were to use my MacBook Pro (using either OSX or WIN XP) as a mixing board and effects processor (using my hardware Looperlative as a live looper with one Mic input and one Line input)...... What system would you suggest that would be the easiest way for me to incorporate my LP-1, Berhringer (or hopefully smaller, midi footpedal if I can find one) and use the computers as a large EFFECTS box to reduce weight in my upcoming European tour? I love processing and am in love with my current configuration of stomp boxes but they are just too heavy to be flying around Europe with it's excess baggage policies. I also have amassed a huge VST collection, Would you guys please recommend to me a setup (either Mac or Win) that would have 1) the simplest set up 2) the easiest learning curve 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to a) be in front of my LP-1 and b) be after my LP-1 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor) I will have a Mackie ONYX Sattelite system to get sound in and out of the computer, by the way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 18:35:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C3F3BE90; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9W+tT+i3pNmNqL/pxKzGAgRg/yeRgY6ud46kgolx870=; b=dsmxko+S+8IY7eUp4hZZQo2260Ugt1rznqoZRBHPHYk8OE32WXM9U0CzZn3f+9992C RtDa0vyN4kX1sz3K6Vzk7LDKwlR7blQB72I9x2+XxVVYsIucxOcnvRqZaxKChfVCo1XE PPnEYTDvkqd1eAimkKlfZFdqs0ofkVZMJbiGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=vt4R3WmnG4LXPedMNl1Kv0F2xrD6O3dXvCsPWYn66y0Kn55CkFmDdYUIKxWVrXNVMW UMfc9tXyh08cddqy9QgDByrLINMcYlZ1cFkr2fK7PP7V0mv2kWBRBJzy79uAXsOHLraD YtnhSR2EfmN+taxYnJ/wszgEnn2670QqaLjv4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:34:59 +0100 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0902231034j3b1aa542o868bad4057d042f9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Rick asked: *What's the best bang for the buck, financially, for a Sound Card for a PC these days (including older gear that is no longer made but still readily available through places like E Bay)? You could look for one of the older Terratec devices like the dmx 6fire (PCI with breakout box). Or, even more on a budget, basically I suspect even a cheap crystal chipset is way better than your monitoring equipment. However, with most of those really cheap chipsets the A/D converters may be a problem (and they are in your production signal chain, which the D/As for your listening needs aren't). But yep, Terratec - and they even have a decent headphone preamp. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 18:38:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8323BE93; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w802SY1RN93UxZZfSXwmCNfhDGDhpI0dX8BZ5ECVzaE=; b=Fq79abThMa+C53meoxZxbP3u+NjbwYsXhuedGo3fGBKJTNOgAJ4/fhxFaoIWxAD5Z+ sBKaUgr9koRreDApJa7t6H1wLWP4u82lGZVETjwO2YJoYgvOsCgfNz45yzKYkSpR9IIv QtwPh3FNgk2xbwh7MmzwTSaigUeFvEe+/w+r4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qm9GOPJTSD+e0AgYPS2s9XJJjQGFHJdzvlAwVQLWntPWQy/uc4NHzXK/p3ei4C1Lkx FRuP+x1jfuirYhCcwAhHAdTOnDk7Lt1GlKiBrSojINs6Zme4gp56e4DgJDxBg1S5hZSz G5jNGvuqLrNx+h6R8eD1PZ4W6Ekv53hBM0Mnc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:38:43 +0100 Message-ID: <7334ca1b0902231038y3ad8dd24pa368011cba57ca20@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour From: Rainer Straschill To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3unl9.A.GrG.00uoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) "Would you guys please recommend to me a setup (either Mac or Win) that would have 1) the simplest set up 2) the easiest learning curve 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to a) be in front of my LP-1 and b) be after my LP-1 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor)" Don't I remember that at one time you were a user (even endorser) of Ableton Live? If so, why don't use it? The c) item may be of concern, as (unless you have an interface with tricky MIDI-controllable routing options, like the RMEs) you'll be going in and out of your computer twice, hence doubling your latency. Rainer From sicurezza@bpmbanking.it Mon Feb 23 18:48:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2683 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:48:49 UTC Received: from mail.miramartravel.hk (mail.miramartravel.hk [61.4.63.11]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0D63BE8C for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [80.229.253.105] by mail.miramartravel.hk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A41E25F10126; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:59:58 +0800 From: "BPM Banking" Subject: Il vostro conto stato bloccato! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 18:53:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21FD3BEA6; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=o/LJuOEywgVTDIiUWWKULa/OoaFZD8p0Om2y3u8fZxQ=; b=nxBAot9aJnxrm7jz/W8KXibz2NgHBJ8qPKHHa2DCwqZkeNL9o8V0Fq8vjqAGeQj/30 pXR5RstpZzjilDqDXnk0SuMBiuPKcwuzNX31gIJ6dxB4hYn3TrPFPbWyzahmIhAytonS vTvxP+vtqHWRZY3WX/xxwnLyAccCV+JxKYpkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=hO7xcWQ8EUsipavWCbBT9RUKFaK/6ms0ORw1fCDHK5cDMHpVThzVxTVAinaXVxfk2U l4rBsMbjFn0DfYIBL+On8fhmwUk9Ofil7B+HVMVdckHHg9r7GCe+ifSriIBBuGtkRWJR JIy9TdTSHFAEM48fJDwCS7ZPxw/CGsnwuB+6E= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> References: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:46:37 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: PER BOYSEN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502dc8d2f427704639a6c36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:53:58 +0000 (UTC) --00504502dc8d2f427704639a6c36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to be monitoring this discussion as well, as I need to seriously reduce the weight, size and (floor) footprint of my rig ... it would make being able to travel A LOT easier ... (HINT: Like to the Santa Cruz Loopfestival ... *GRIN) Best, Dennis On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey Per, and everyone else on this list, > > I need to seriously cut down on my travelling weight for my upcoming > tours in Europe this coming summer. > > If I were to use my MacBook Pro (using either OSX or WIN XP) > as a mixing board and effects processor (using my hardware Looperlative as > a live looper > with one Mic input and one Line input)...... > > What system would you suggest that would be the easiest way for me > to incorporate my LP-1, Berhringer (or hopefully smaller, midi footpedal > if I can find one) > and use the computers as a large EFFECTS box to reduce weight in my > upcoming European tour? > > I love processing and am in love with my current configuration of stomp > boxes but they are just too > heavy to be flying around Europe with it's excess baggage policies. > I also have amassed a huge VST collection, > Would you guys please recommend to me a setup (either Mac or Win) > that would have > > 1) the simplest set up > 2) the easiest learning curve > 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to > a) be in front of my LP-1 and > b) be after my LP-1 > 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor) > > I will have a Mackie ONYX Sattelite system to get sound in and out of the > computer, by the way. > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ --00504502dc8d2f427704639a6c36 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to be monitoring this discussion as well, as I need to seriou= sly reduce the weight, size and (floor) footprint of my rig ... it would ma= ke being able to travel A LOT easier ... (HINT: Like to the Santa Cruz Loop= festival ... *GRIN)

Best,

Dennis

On Mon, Feb 23, 2= 009 at 11:29 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hey Per,  and everyone else on this list,

I need to seriously cut down on my travelling weight for my upcoming
tours in Europe this coming summer.

If I were to use my MacBook Pro (using either OSX or WIN XP)
as a mixing board and effects processor (using my hardware Looperlative as = a live looper
with one Mic input and one Line input)......

What system would you suggest that would be the easiest way for me
to incorporate my LP-1,  Berhringer (or hopefully smaller, midi footpe= dal if I can find one)
and use the computers as a large EFFECTS box to reduce weight in my upcomin= g European tour?

I love processing and am in love with my current configuration of  sto= mp boxes but they are just too
heavy to be flying around Europe with it's excess baggage policies.
I also have amassed a  huge VST collection,
Would you guys please recommend to me a setup (either Mac or Win)
that would have

1) the simplest set up
2) the easiest learning curve
3)  the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to
  a)  be in front of my LP-1 and
  b)  be after my LP-1
4)  the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a fac= tor)

I will have a Mackie ONYX  Sattelite system to get sound in and out of= the computer, by the way.




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http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
--00504502dc8d2f427704639a6c36-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 18:55:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD3103BEC1; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtEEAG56oklMRBqS/2dsb2JhbACDQjCKIIcpwDoHhAgG Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: 02.26.09 > The PiNG presents FREEZE AVOiDANCE featuring Ortiz + quasiMODAL Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:54:56 -0500 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000901c995e8$391616b0$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Resent-Message-ID: <4E4HI.A.OjH.FEvoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:55:01 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS THURS. FEB. 26TH . THE PiNG presents FREEZE AVOiDANCE with Ortiz + quasiMODAL (cheryl o, Eric St-Laurent & Steven Sauv=E9) @ The Renaissance Caf=E9 . 1938 Danforth Avenue . north side,=20 2 blocks west of the Woodbine Subway . Map and directions=20 at: http://www.renaissancecafe.ca/map.htm=20 PiNG doors open at 8pm . 1st set is at 8:30 . $6 =20 . Ortiz blends found sounds, bubbling static, synthesizer=20 malfunctions and guitar noodling, exploring melancholy melodies=20 and lonely notes to create ghostly soundscapes that evoke dub=20 and folk music in equal measures. His live performances take=20 the listener on a dreamy ride, recalling pastoral landscapes and=20 haunted woods, crescendos building and receding as gentle=20 guitars and far-away vocals drift in and out of the mix. Ortiz=20 has self-released several albums of material, in addition=20 to releases on Vague Terrain and ping things, which can be downloaded at ortiz.ca http://www.ortiz.ca . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 19:25:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48AD3BE99; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 151934829/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.162.210/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.162.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcBAGSGoklPTqLS/2dsb2JhbAAI1XaEDwaGQA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,255,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="151934829" Message-ID: <49A2F9F8.8040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:33:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money References: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:25:27 +0000 (UTC) > Do the latest M Audio cards really tank heavily when compared to the > pricier sound cards? The difference is much less than the differences between Mic pre-amps. > > Are there PCI cards that sound comparable to more pricey breakout boxes? M-Audio stuff sounds good enough, and has a very good reputation for working. The old Delta range seems to be available quite cheap these days, I've been using a Delta-66 for years. Do new computers still have PCI? Really, it depends what features you need. A high quality stereo in/out interface, or more ins/out. ..or onboard mic pre-amps? spdif? > > Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in > fidelity to > the most expensive breakout boxes? highly unlikely From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 20:11:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC8D63BEA2; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tcEq2DxEbBPNoS7+drRlqXBy973e5RNZI3OfHQotjxQ=; b=KTMLGrTPZODnpOHTFD0MutDEvhtlCfoZv6keZH0OJTIrodTIZnLukce7aXg6x57rBQ opNUXje+uWqYpFGXvMmW/EPUiay6K/Bh0qOc/VRHptSHyvqKV57U2E06b1VMJxYtaT8T VPr9bTzl90bEpIKqwYWwyaEzOsOfAaSwpq7BE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XsKAn+kDm4yJ34XTKKbo+WoCUqtopu8tI65/EVlsXUQW7ccznp5IJwAQ7EajLq+ium Y2/s5yRr4JOyrli4+28iTQ4YK39BRE8SvxE9NLvo5CJ5pC09wZYlZqvrZla9olh3plyO e8kGRq5lQcuxqkBSBy2Ay/dB8I/qw1mYnqILI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0902231209vff20551s7d1233a4469f9983@mail.gmail.com> References: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0902231209vff20551s7d1233a4469f9983@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:11:06 +0100 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0902231211r1342baa7k8e060d90d81ba383@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour From: Per Boysen To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:11:07 +0000 (UTC) It's difficult to recommend something as there are so many lose ends in your description but this is my guess on what you want to do: I guess you want to get an audio interface with a built-in mic pre amp and in/out jacks to put the LP-1 (reason: you say you want to use the MacBook both as effect rack pre looper and as mixer post looper?). Think abut how many channels you want to bring back from the LP-1 to mix and look for a matching audio interface. Then we come to the software to run. Here it's important to know if what you want to use as the sync master (software or LP-1?). Myself I've had the best experiences with Bidule as a VST host good for following MIDI Clock sync from a looper. MainStage also does that well, but since you want to run VST plug-ins MainStage is out of question because it only runs AU plug-ins. They are both also a little awkward to use "as mixer" for multiple inputs (if you want to mix eight mono outputs coming from you LP-1, I don't yet know if you want to do that?). Now, the other context - where you set the tempo in the software and start looping to that tempo - opens up for using Ableton Live that excels "as mixer". Some people say Live can slave sync fine but I am not among them. Live 8 is just around the corner but I wouldn't recommend trysting the said release by "second quarter 2009" - even if that happens it will give you no time to learn the stuff (Live's new Looper that sets the tempo for the whole application by first loop length, yes that's gonna be great... the day it hits the street). You said you have a Onyx Satellite. I googled that but couldn't find it. Tryggve that played with us in Oslo concert house has a Onyx mixer that I think is model 1220. The Onyx 1220 is quite big and heave and that's not fitting your concept very well, so I guess the Satellite is some new model that I just have not heard about yet? If the Satellite also has mic pre amps you can use it pre LP-1. Ok, finally I'd like to wrap this up with something that I do know something about and for that I'd like to focus on your first condition "The simplest setup". Myself I have always given priority to simple setups and used effect rack pre looper, no matter if I have been using hardware units, only software or a combination. My typical system is the looper setting the tempo and then the effects slave syncing to the looper's tempo. But if you look at the audio signal chain the effects comes pre looper and I record all effects into the loops. Very rarely I slap effects on the output, except for a multiband compressor that balances both direct input and looper output. This can be done in Bidule, MainStage and Live (although I wouldn't dare syncing Live after the looper's tempo). Finally, a white spot: Always when I have combined hardware and laptop software I have used digital connections - to avoid extra latency - but this is not possible with the LP-1, so I'm afraid I don't have the experience to say if it would work or not. I think this were all the block, and their alternative options. Now you have to think about them and chose your priorities. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey Per, and everyone else on this list, > > I need to seriously cut down on my travelling weight for my upcoming > tours in Europe this coming summer. > > If I were to use my MacBook Pro (using either OSX or WIN XP) > as a mixing board and effects processor (using my hardware Looperlative as a > live looper > with one Mic input and one Line input)...... > > What system would you suggest that would be the easiest way for me > to incorporate my LP-1, Berhringer (or hopefully smaller, midi footpedal if > I can find one) > and use the computers as a large EFFECTS box to reduce weight in my upcoming > European tour? > > I love processing and am in love with my current configuration of stomp > boxes but they are just too > heavy to be flying around Europe with it's excess baggage policies. > I also have amassed a huge VST collection, > Would you guys please recommend to me a setup (either Mac or Win) > that would have > > 1) the simplest set up > 2) the easiest learning curve > 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to > a) be in front of my LP-1 and > b) be after my LP-1 > 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor) > > I will have a Mackie ONYX Sattelite system to get sound in and out of the > computer, by the way. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 20:25:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1423BEA6; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VwNfWvApRQdNc/qACBeMlHAynI5OEhF0ZAZN+F6q8Zs=; b=w2PuY4xaHEuhdrbhsEDdToWZdlp+DEoXUpmEUGq8DHdiJQOnum6ojsEpqm+I8LlJiN 0WSJZmHQfRLuJMPiJLBxwBq+Vt+TebbxLLiIXlFX5+LrDSvSG7Si4Zt3OsWG6anAjPVf PVmGGP6/w+WixHZ176z9Fw1NZE+GSp5iCL/FE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=T6zzY4C6LJMKGFyVURBDjbqLyysgfh0xQy988D0afwP+mQJaUr5sU5zCsLAbO68rmp uVsHwUBbsBWhFNpjqqSKcty8AYAMgNWkpwzGGEBmghA3c/4ZvIWsqLthiIPnAz9AOyKk sC7r0mWwmCS1DIm9/9qeuNrw7mMtRERD+cMMk= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A2F9F8.8040703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> <49A2F9F8.8040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:25:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3fa302e30902231225l6bcfd82etc690529468a42e3b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511d421f17a204639bcd04 Resent-Message-ID: <8PFHMC.A.7gD.wYwoJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:25:20 +0000 (UTC) --001517511d421f17a204639bcd04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I LOVE my old Delta 66 and I recently bought a Compaq Vista box and thought I would be screwed, but when the machine rebooted and searched for drivers on the internet, M-Audio had one and it's working great! I had ONE PCI slo= t that fit=97I had to remove the NIC card to use it (I went wireless with a U= SB dongle). Be sure whatever machine you're looking at has available slots or you might be surprised and disappointed. -m On 2/23/09, andy butler wrote: > > . . . The old Delta range seems to be available quite cheap these days, > I've been using a Delta-66 for years. > --001517511d421f17a204639bcd04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I LOVE my old Delta 66 and I recently bought a Compaq Vista box and thought I would be screwed, but when the machine rebooted and searched for drivers on the internet, M-Audio had one and it's working great!  I had ONE PCI slot that fit=97I had to remove the NIC card to use it (I went wireless with a USB dongle).  Be sure whatever machine you're looking at has available slots or you might be surprised and disappointed.   -m

On= 2/23/09, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: . . .
The old Delta range= seems to be available quite cheap these days,
I've been using a Delta-66 for years.
--001517511d421f17a204639bcd04-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 21:01:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9843BEB9; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=vrFWU59KDFpzYwy1cvU6jpLnxzR8bP+YtdICm2JAg/o=; b=LmClqyc1IOw73xgwWgcF3elTB/qfXPXzqqdXtAOdwXQ6gGN5WW4NMbnYEZ52LJtxxJ Z+r+wiYKB86g2LdIh2ERqB0zFQ9m8Vn+DpfRNab79b2HNmXJdCRljZocENxjjWCwNeXZ S2IMLeS4Nfqws7/Fm4w4KOHrc844ICmP51t2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=h6ZHoRnSl8ktrHhMzaC2erXBxmOPIu2O7dM5nBBurSmPaAZTPqunNttERR6S0RtIIU WcaLm08nZwiYz5x/U33Bf+PW0jXupVGms9T3rvB+0Fiytd4mllaEfruY4ABHUiGlggyH xKpEARId5V/V7fhMkcqR7lbIvyPtj6vJJw+DM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <49A2F9F8.8040703@tiscali.co.uk> References: <49A2DB29.3090500@cruzio.com> <49A2F9F8.8040703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <333287c30902231301t14c672dfh3ba39217ef1c057d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Money From: Nevyn Nowhere To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502c74f27169604639c4dfc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:01:09 +0000 (UTC) --00504502c74f27169604639c4dfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Do new computers still have PCI? > > Nope. PC Express cards. Still not very supported, but slowly getting more and more. -nn happyhumans.org > > Really, it depends what features you need. > A high quality stereo in/out interface, > or more ins/out. > ..or onboard mic pre-amps? > spdif? > > > > > >> Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in >> fidelity to >> the most expensive breakout boxes? >> > > highly unlikely > --00504502c74f27169604639c4dfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Do new computers still have PCI?


Nope. PC Express cards.  Still not very supporte= d, but slowly getting more and more.

-nn
happyhumans.org

Really, it depends what features you need.
A high quality stereo in/out interface,
or more ins/out.
..or onboard mic pre-amps?
spdif?






Is anything made for the Prosumer Gamers of the world that are close in fid= elity to
the most expensive breakout boxes?

highly unlikely

--00504502c74f27169604639c4dfc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Feb 23 22:06:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52EC53BEA2; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=hJKzWnMA_0YA:10 a=uRdjxO39VeAA:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=tMwrEZioz2HG29lxAzwA:9 a=8B4z9aqdTH8LcJWfZSkHPSGIL14A:4 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 Message-ID: <49A31DD0.9040603@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:06:08 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for hair cut on upcoming tour References: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0902231209vff20551s7d1233a4469f9983@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0902231211r1342baa7k8e060d90d81ba383@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0902231211r1342baa7k8e060d90d81ba383@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Rick now this is a solo act http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPWjNX4PBlI :=) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 01:05:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B25A3BEB6; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Loren Claypool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:05:45 -0600 References: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:05:50 +0000 (UTC) On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Hey Per, and everyone else on this list, > > I need to seriously cut down on my travelling weight for my upcoming > tours in Europe this coming summer. > > I just went through this same evaluation and ended up with MacBook Pro, mBox 2, Ableton Live, SooperLooper (may be replaced when v8 Live comes out), Tech 21 MIDI Moose, MIDI Solutions Pedal Controller, Boss FV-500L control pedal (could be an EV-5 if you have one laying around), Boss FV-500L stereo volume pedal for main outs. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 02:49:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69E23BEB6; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wV1aYduY3umDRNFT/r8y6LUl2u4IJFDp/xhaMPo1B1OrSrat8jonv06BFfIMqusQNM64UPYyc1ZWaVWeddVNbZEajYkZSvWmO8grh31iTnDb/Xy7m9XCtTkPTQN1+r6+yoJvej5pUkYIbRt9xNehfGEbThMzN9FHzwKdXrP9SNc=; X-YMail-OSG: vBqitX8VM1nWmxYRwdKMr95jSTpQTxd1nqJ5J_RZn7YOEAF2OeIA3Ohac7n8oy7euZmUn5Z8076_pYAWLtIaoe6eErRAsB4cmj4UxSGZ6rntm9.njDThYXy9S4c8GHhFpyuv2wen.KFkk1vI6SH5B1BIG0BI_8fdbEQcvk6n.7ZDcHELrQS9k.ESDj_kKfdiiaI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for hair cut on upcoming tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49A31DD0.9040603@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <765640.26956.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:49:03 +0000 (UTC) sake + opium =3D =EA=BC=AD =EB=91=90=EA=B0=81=EC=8B=9C=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 2/23/09, Claude Voit wrote: > From: Claude Voit > Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for hair cut on upcoming tour > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 2:06 PM > Rick >=20 > now this is a solo act >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOPWjNX4PBlI >=20 > :=3D) >=20 > Claude=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 03:01:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8E33BEB9; 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charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <258442.3794.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:01:15 +0000 (UTC) i bought the presouns firebox, so far it has proven to be very reliable and sounds good, for the money cant beat it check it out http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=4 or a step up with mixer and efxs http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3 Sjaak just got one so he might help you answer some questions on that one cheers www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 04:02:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1EB73BEC3; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.6.0 mail-in-05.arcor-online.net E2848332B33 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=arcor.de; s=mail-in; t=1235448159; bh=b7UbUW7ZvQ9/MC5J9t5OTUKmtp3BMpIF+t9bVOSssSs=; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To: From:Subject:Date; b=Ot4CVmE1f0L6S7qE92dzeKPtbl+yS+m9wn0iMW6zD/4N2 YK7QODzi2CKnPFPjq+PmFbGAOozZb63HuHzrd7jR03FxAkqhtrxIOCH+c8+sDWMzQSc /29Apvt50VbyU97H3UVvpjJO1kAqROuPttjbPFFj+ePHWxuxt48VgehmJpw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0310C901-0B9E-4538-B129-B7DD76F6D2C5@arcor.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: OT Best Quality Sound Card - Least Amount of Mone Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:02:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9036/Tue Feb 24 02:25:20 2009 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <3qX6UC.A.kKD.gF3oJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Rick, after using an RME card for a long time with good results I moved to a cheap Presonus box for my Mac Mini a couple of years ago. For my latest solo projects I re-evaluated my recording gear and sadly found that Apogee simply blew away the Presonus and even RME and Motu. In the end I found a used MiniMe with the USB output for half the street price for a new one so I didn't feel so bad after all. Of course recording fingerpicked solo acoustic guitar is quite a task and sonic differences are diminishing a little bit when you are working on louder, densely layered, thicker sounding music. Still I was shocked at how noisy the Presonus was, how dull and muffled the Motu sounded and that even the famed Fireface 400 despite it's geat routing capabilities paled soundwise in direct comparison to the Apogee. And side by side comparison is the way to go here. Supposedly there are no big differences in the A/D conversion chips any more these days so the difference must lie in the analog path to the converters. That makes sense in a way since e.g. discrete analog mic pres generally do sound superior to IC-based designs. I have a couple of old Telefunken V676's here that do sound nicer than the TLA Ivory channel strips I had and also the bulidt-in mic pre's of the Apogee. And then there are those old tube Telefunkens they used to use at Abbey Road studios.... Anyway, I'm curious to hear what you guys have found. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 07:22:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED22D3BEC5; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=RqrTUvilKLjFqTkhF1HNG3djonp07YBgdSfaNvAgWrE=; b=wfbPKhs/q+Zuu3O+jAnhA1s4lNR0al9RHAjKjbFo+4NyTTvaFZvMzf6SJd4Gz5IQvT dDgV1h/Ht7XcJXmmXzkTmdnTZ81ESM0U7C3NItF3HuWpYHpfqPqQxiJZam8VwKUaAm+e N+8rveWnYwrlr/RJoYz5fKM3zC8G+4HdtKMOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=sHhZBwk8FTWiYMhlHtVNvW0JCSQbZOIUcD8Z0XLPVap83qALJrEQbMQIcuP2XyHnCf E4qLYksghDLgMOvMzQPyn31mA55NGyxuVi/dokirbiqTda1Y9BqCKYpFV9miot5mJ6Rk Jy0xGsSwIusYkIjLjhczCZsBlvfvhRbCQrEp8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ian.e.petersen@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> References: <49A2EAF9.3080702@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:15:11 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7f692c71b0996924 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour From: Ian Petersen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c598d641dac10463a4e133 Resent-Message-ID: <500oIC.A.1E.yA6oJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:22:26 +0000 (UTC) --001636c598d641dac10463a4e133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, 1) the simplest set up > 2) the easiest learning curve > 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to > a) be in front of my LP-1 and > b) be after my LP-1 > 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor= ) > Take a look at Usine (http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/). It's designed, fro= m the ground up, to be a live (looping) performance interface for sound manipulation etc. There's no doubt it can take care of your effects, routing and mixing needs. There is a learning curve, obviously, but I've found it reasonably intuitive. The most difficult thing is decifering the Frenglish manual! It's also very reasonably priced (free for the almost fully functional demo, and =8070 for the Pro version). Suppo= rt is excellent and development speedy. Windows only, although most seem to be using it on Macs running Windows. Ian. --001636c598d641dac10463a4e133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick,

1) the simplest set up
2) the easiest learning curve
3) =A0the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to
=A0 a) =A0be in front of my LP-1 and
=A0 b) =A0be after my LP-1
4) =A0the least amount of price for the software as well (money is a factor= )

Take a look at Usine (http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/). It's = designed, from the ground up, to be a live (looping) performance interface = for sound manipulation etc. There's no doubt it can take care of your= =A0=A0effects,=A0routing and mixing needs. There is a learning curve, obvio= usly, but I've found it reasonably intuitive. The most difficult thing = is decifering the Frenglish manual! It's also very reasonably priced (f= ree for the almost fully functional demo, and =8070 for the Pro version). S= upport is excellent and development speedy. Windows only, although most see= m to be using it on Macs running Windows.

Ian.=A0
--001636c598d641dac10463a4e133-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 12:36:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBAD3BEC5; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:36:03 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: RECOMMENDATIONS for EFFECTS PROCESSING on upcoming tour MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <5bh40D.A.73G.1m-oJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:36:05 +0000 (UTC) > 1) the simplest set up > 2) the easiest learning curve > 3) the ability to use VST plugins in any chain I'd like to > a) be in front of my LP-1 and > b) be after my LP-1 > 4) the least amount of price for the software as well (money > is a factor) Rick, I recently switched to a laptop setup: - Macbook with OSX - Motu Ultralite firewire interface - Logic Mainstage for soft synths, FX and mixer - LP1 - midi controllers The only thing I might change is the midi controller I need to play my sy= nths and piano. That=92s a real issue because I don=92t like to travel wi= th a 35kg stage piano ;) But other than that, it=92s compact, light, flex= ible and not necessarily out of your budget because you already own a Mac= book Pro. Check out this picture how everything is connected in my setup:= http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/images/livesetup.jpg Motu Ultralite mk3 ------------------ The Motu Ultralite mk3 ($500) doesn=92t look like a budget friendly solut= ion but I don=92t agree. Why? Because it=92s an all-in-one box offering y= ou 2 mic/line inputs , 6 line inputs, 10 balanced outputs, midi in, midi = out, S/PDIF, headphone out, reverb up to 60 seconds, 7-band EQ, compresso= r and a internal mixer, mix software and drivers for both Mac and Windows= , FW bus-power. What does a DI/splitter, small mixer with EQ, a 1x1 midi = interface and compressor cost you? And it=92s very small. Imo, this is pe= rfect solution for the traveling live musician using a laptop, this box r= eplaces many devices. Budget tip: try to find a used one of the model, simply called the Motu U= ltralite without the mk3 tag Mainstage --------- Like Per said, Mainstage ($500) can only run AU-plugins, no VST=92s. But = I doubt if that=92s a problem because Mainstage has many good effects and= instruments that I think it covers 80% of your needs out of the box. It = can sync well to an external midi clock, for example the LP1. It can also= host non-Apple plugins, for example SuperLooper or Augustus Loop. I use Augustus Loop and some Logic FX as pre-looper effect and these are = routed to the LP1 inputs. You can use multiple instances of Augustus on t= he same bus or different busses. The LP1 outputs are not send back into Mainstage to apply post-FX. I have= n=92t tested it but I would expect a latency issue here, which is logical= . And although I=92m not going to use it, I have tested analog inputs and= processed them thru Mainstage with acceptable latency, no problem. A feature I like about Mainstage is that you can design your own graphica= l layout of your midi setu and map sliders and buttons to any midi CC mes= sage on any channel. For example: - LP1 volume, speed, feedback level (current track) - Mainstage volume - Augustus feedback level - Patch name Tip: you can often buy a used Logic Studio 8 license on Ebay for 50% of t= he original price, 175 Eur Bidule ------ Bidule is a good and also cheaper alternative to host both VST and AU plu= gins to build your own rig. The big difference for me is that it comes wi= th little FX and instruments compared to Mainstage. I like the concept of= Bidule, it reminds of the Nord Modular synthesizers: you visually patch = audio and midi devices together with cables. It=92s very flexible, stable= , works well. The reason I don=92t use Bidule at the moment is because I also need soft= synths so Mainstage is a better candidate for me. But if you already hav= e VST FX units, I would look into Bidule. --- Sjaak http://euroloopfest.com/ http://sjaakovergaauw.com/ http://www.last.fm/music/Sjaak+Overgaauw __________________________________ Scarlet schrapt download limiet! ADSL20 NO LIMIT voor =80 29,95. Ga naar www.scarlet.be voor meer info! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Feb 24 13:54:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42113BECF; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lNFuCopGg0KZNqyTVFfl+bU39J8gV+rOmzS9h1d567A=; b=FE+a5g5BYdSXSvbmu1v3ZHUdCcvZYbXsOLKbEno20mLTVS3IkcyhU3+FZlF+n9aRph zAvJF63DaWGZkc3hHWAfqZ4b4xu40Fhhb+zNzAAuow6FrqfvVqOpVGMdBaJ9rtVaqHjc 52aZo691DhUmh1fZSYFtrE23xsA9oMqLspu7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=iI+sesA+Wz6UUJHP8q3z++PEF3mxcY+Jc97e+6xHouAQZXWSosQcCZrHkVIw4CMEpN QViSQLAhBSY1xTw0C4BMwZLs/gagovVNkpSqgU4sTyhZEYxGduTSdY/xsrVVpDWYTByY WMqeQlENgdFBDyvBSsPi3pkba63GvqKBSHkPk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:54:35 +0100 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0902240554t66527861w7c629dc63212797@mail.gmail.com> Subject: live looping music used in film project From: Per Boysen To: loopers-delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, Here's a nice German short movie that uses mine and Tryggve Lunds music according to the Creative Commons license we published it under at Jamendo.com. I had no clue what to expect when these guys contacted us about the music but I like their movie. 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe7RJmvWXjc&feature=channel&fmt=18 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KjmDMJqUdw&feature=channel&fmt=18 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zIIjmFjHY0&feature=channel&fmt=18 Our music starts one minute into Part 3 (but you should watch from the beginning, Part 1), a Lo Fi Lazer impro session where Tryggve bangs a dismantled computer CPU cooler and disconnects sounding lead cables through an EDP looper and I play fretless sustaniac guitar with Mobius laptop looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com From membero@eBay.it Tue Feb 24 14:32:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 70813 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:32:43 UTC Received: from web14.internetx.de (web14.internetx.de [62.116.130.180]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDE23BEC4; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([92.85.105.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by web14.internetx.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id n1NIom9d015864; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:50:49 +0100 Message-Id: <200902231850.n1NIom9d015864@web14.internetx.de> Reply-To: From: "membero@eBay.it" Subject: Messaggio di un utente sull'oggetto #110260188209 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:51:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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l'iphone è sbloccato e funziona con tutte le sim?
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