From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 00:29:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D63B83BE84; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:29:54 UTC Message-ID: From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <003601c983cd$767b3490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <55c7bc950901311142m58e952e6l96139b70ffc84ffa@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0901311213j30b3383bp62f62d59e43a13f1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: nerds with toys Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:23:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <5GrYbC.A.8fH.D0OhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 00:29:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, if I'm going to a live performance, I do like the performers = to interact with the audience. I don't mind the knob twiddling as long = as the performer does acknowledge the existence of the audience. People = generally do expect more at a live performance than just a replay of the = recording. Honestly, that is one of the reasons that I don't go to many = stadium shows. Interaction between the artists and the audience makes = the evening much more fun. I have noted that my favorite looping performers have altered their = styles over time to include a greater interaction with the audience. = They still do the same amount of knob twiddling, but use simple = techniques of eye contact and stories between pieces to draw the = audience in to what they are doing. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally, if I'm going to a live = performance, I=20 do like the performers to interact with the audience.  I don't mind = the=20 knob twiddling as long as the performer does acknowledge the existence = of the=20 audience.  People generally do expect more at a live performance = than just=20 a replay of the recording.  Honestly, that is one of the reasons = that I=20 don't go to many stadium shows.  Interaction between the artists = and the=20 audience makes the evening much more fun.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C983C0.364C0140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 04:34:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45DE3BE81; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:34:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE nerds with toys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Andy wrote: "I couldn't find anything in the original article to say that livelooping can be anything other than building up layers. If anything, that's the myth that hurts us by turning off potential listeners." I agree with you, Andy, but I think we have to see this article as it lies in a broader context. I interviewed for well over an hour for this article with and, in that interview, I tried to give props out to all the interesting live loopers in this community who are doing innovative things with looping, many of which are not pop oriented singer/songwriter oriented approaches (and some who are). But the fact of the matter is the Boston Globe is a populist newspaper and just out of necessity, can't be encyclopedic, scholarly or even thorough about musical phenomenas. Additionally, the paper is going to radically limit the number of words that can be printed. The journalist, Adam Conner-Simons was enthusiastic and thorough in his interview but I knew that much of what I relayed or even artists that I tried to talk about or the history of our movement would not make the final cut. It's just the nature of mainstream print journalism and even web journalism these days. But what happens to our movement as a whole as the result of us getting coverage, albeit limited, from magazines like Guitar Player, the Boston Globe, the O'Reilly Digital Media site, etc, is that it legitimizes our efforts to promote when we are talking with regional journalists, radio DJs and , eventually television producers. I am keeping a constant , upgraded file with all the live looping articles I find in prestigious and/or popular journals and I send them immediately to the press or even to venues or festivals that I'm trying to book. They are little 'badges of legitimacy'. On some levels , for the hard corp and the 'converted' amongst us, this might seem hollow, but it is not........................it is a very legitimate way to popularize what we do so that we can make our scene grow. Let's face it, if a few hundred people who read these articles only to receive a cursory understanding of what's really going on in the trenches of the movement and amongst the innovators go out and buy a Looperlative or Ableton's Live or a laptop to run Mobius, Sooperlooper, August Loop or whatever, it will stimulate the engineers and designers of these machines and programs to further innovate and we'll all profit from it. It will mean that the people putting on looping festivals will, eventually be able to get economic sponsors to actually pay all the people who pay out of their pockets to present their amazing music to the world. I envision some amazing collaborations for upcoming Y2K festivals, but currently, I can't raise enough money and audiences just don't provide enough door income to manifest some of these ideas. That said and done, the amount of money I've been able to raise in the past few years is vastly more than three years ago and it would be raising as we speak (if it were not for the awful state of the global economy right now) So, I say, let the KT Tunstalls and the Joseph Arthurs and the Imogen Heaps of the world get the first mainstream press about live looping.....................we're still out on the crest of the way trying hard to lead the way. If articles about them increase interest in live looping, we'll be the next wave of artists who will benefit from it all. It's always been the nature of innovative artists.................very few of them make the top of the pops, but it doesn't mean that we aren't having a huge influence on that scene because we aren't yet mentioned. We will be. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 06:39:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF87B3BE84; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Message-id: Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:24:23 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: One Hour on the Upper West Side photo essay on Flickr Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3TY6jB.A.ggF.8OUhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I posted a new photo essay on Flickr -- images take during an hour's walk over a few blocks of the Upper West Side of Manhattan. Check it out if you can. Thanks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/sets/72157613177067123/ The images in "One Hour on the Upper West Side" were taken within 3 blocks of the intersection of Broadway and 100th Street in Manhattan on Jan 25, 2009, between 1:16 PM and 2:17 PM. It was a crisp, sunny day, with strong winter light interacting with the bustle of Broadway and the architectural detail on the side streets. The light came almost straight up Broadway, giving the strong shadows seen in the photos of foot traffic. I shot over 280 pictures, and the 48 images presented here are shown in the order taken. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 10:05:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB6D3BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dhinCkfxycj6sFVn51TTmARYyL/pnHdbL2gej9DbUZk=; b=bKk6gtJAgMDMF2EoJfhhYP2qw09F9hqzqclGXMq0xqI5k0Qs8/JR7VasNS8myJB1V9 DtzXubazCnBtkX/S6SWMLU7LKSNuB4KJ5WlE8SictuqXAxiI3Lmvqt8NUfZdPQ/qPP2q uDQJKjKBgrs/A6m4vpe1MS4EoTK9fvjSkuP6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jQdBZhe7gKQFXidK8VK+1/9AI9e6j9D8eCMswTnWGH7qnpOk8z3iheDnHaFET8pWWn 5Cxo5KyoQETXFvvMNDk50LDzXmH/P0xkPejuCulh2YIht69/ALeqt4q1Afu9F54/PvLH VDLwnV9X3XgGDBRvw4s46afVZMvmKsVbjwF6I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <003601c983cd$767b3490$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <55c7bc950901311142m58e952e6l96139b70ffc84ffa@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0901311213j30b3383bp62f62d59e43a13f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0902010205g74912f9cme65b35a418c4f353@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: nerds with toys From: Per Boysen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-6dofD.A.VNC.rPXhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:05:31 +0000 (UTC) It's funny that I have experienced the opposite issue! ;-)) At many gigs people that come there to watch expect those on the stage to do a lot more hands-on with the laptop. For this reason I try to kick off certain looper comands from laptop keys instead of instantly doing it "on the side" by a floor pedal while playing a physical instrument up front. Just to add a little laptop mangling to the show. There's also another problem for us public performers in live looping and that is that your second instrument - the looper - in the perception of the audience has a musical latency that may vary from two seconds to several minutes. I like to make sure the audience understands that I play two instruments, the one they an see (guitar, sax, flute, gongs etc) and the looper. If they see me kicking pedals like a maniac while playing flute and the flute just sounds normal, they are in fact watching me playing the looper and the stuff I do then will not be heard in the music until the loop returns back again. At some concerts I have, mistakenly, thought that "people here are not that stupid, they certainly know I'm looping live all improvised..." but then someone who liked the show comes up afterward with funny questions like "impressing how you can remember to follow those complex backtracks and hit the key changes like that" ;-)) So as far as it doesn't turn you into a lame school teacher clown you may educate the audience a little. The public picture of looping as "cheating the band effect" has been mentioned in this thread. My way to fight back this prejudice is to rarely use more than one instrument in one piece. I rather play around with the looper to extend the sound of the physical instrument I play in that song. Then I may change physical instrument for the next song. If looping in duo or trio I may change instrument during a piece though, because then it is a way for me to adapt to the collective music evolution process. --> Related: Generally, improvising musician have always had the same problem with the audience not understanding what they are doing on stage. There are so many times, after a gig with totally improvised music, that people refuse to believe that the music they just heard was improvised. They kind of go "but hey - that can't be improvised 'cause I heard many melodies in there and I tell you heard the piano player change chord where the melody turned and the bass player too...." It's just impossible to argue with them so many times it's just simpler to keep improvising but pretend you are playing compositions - because no one would believer the truth anyway ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Personally, if I'm going to a live performance, I do like the performers to > interact with the audience. I don't mind the knob twiddling as long as the > performer does acknowledge the existence of the audience. People generally > do expect more at a live performance than just a replay of the recording. > Honestly, that is one of the reasons that I don't go to many stadium shows. > Interaction between the artists and the audience makes the evening much more > fun. > > I have noted that my favorite looping performers have altered their styles > over time to include a greater interaction with the audience. They still do > the same amount of knob twiddling, but use simple techniques of eye contact > and stories between pieces to draw the audience in to what they are doing. 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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C98443.E12E1A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:23:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8963BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 137328293/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.168.157/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.168.157 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgBAHsxhUlPTqid/2dsb2JhbAAIxm2EFAaFUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,359,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="137328293" Message-ID: <4985A3E9.309@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:30:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE nerds with toys References: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4983D4EB.9000706@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > Andy wrote: > "I couldn't find anything in the original article to say that > livelooping can be anything other than building up layers. > > If anything, that's the myth that hurts us by turning off potential > listeners." hi Rick, this wasn't intended as a criticism of the article per se, rather to point out that it doesn't address the points raised by the mailman guy. It's a nice article, I'm glad to see it mentioning the local guys and identifying the use of live looping by established acts. You're quite right, there's certainly no cause to be picky about what publicity we can muster, and that's indeed a very fine piece of publicity. > > It will mean that the people putting on looping festivals will, > eventually be able to get economic sponsors > to actually pay all the people who pay out of their pockets to present > their amazing music to the world. > Surely that's more likely to come about if we can somehow explain that we have something to offer other than that which is already presented by mainstream artists...says Andy, aged 47. keep up the good work andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:35:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1340B3BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qeCv/iNqOR3+DRr3UbcWZYgybGzRchLWUh9EybeOSjus3sWV1e6lgxU78O8TJBHcBGoawWC8UPrgJai8eEHBbjjt4WeWGdXlG3LkC5AEEpBHGtJOoEhpG9BvR7bUc6wQHAc61yXeNtgFLioNkM8s3FgESUJyobf/+ETZDFyObyI=; X-YMail-OSG: GKetY3kVM1nIrznE1ew7uqtUCggG8ES1sGoPikorwf4_4TQfAJNorzyu6F0S4eLLMaCuRqQga3ybWh8fdTmoFup.ncu4C3O2tX.ODl4ZReB4FDGDPfdizdYDPRRu4jdoe9cS.D3KTUxUxVREW6JKaFo0lcuT31zzRtqgpKbgIJHT5RAtiTBomSiebW1tTC5DP7U- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 05:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0901310820n391a5e0fs332538b869dd6cba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <108506.99280.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per this is a very good idea,he has just bought a Behringer FCB1010 as well,but how would you midi chain the whole thing then for best results?i would assume out from my FCB to his FCB and then to the soundcard,with the midi merge function on his FCB1010 turned on,correct? Xavier from Gordius was also mentioning that chaining 2 midi controllers can add latency as well which is not good because this guy is not used to looping;-( also i realize that a lo of people here using drum boxes prefer syncronisation to the looper instead of looping the drum grooves within the looper and post manipulation (pitch,reverse halfspeed etc.)i actually like it better that way,only drawback you have to reach the machine start the drum loop record it and stop the machine afterwards. What would be really efficient is to have drum samples already saved within a paused Mobius track and then bulid up loops and trigger the grooves at will,but mobius has crashed on me when ive tried doing this maybe i am doing something wrong? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 1/31/09, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 8:20 AM > Let him loop at a track of his own in Mobius on your laptop! > Assign > that track input to a dedicated physical input on your > audio interface > and write a few scripts for his commands. The point with > scripts is > that you can use the line "for 8" (if Track 8 is > where he is going to > loop). Then simply give him some MIDI pedal to control > Record, Overdub > and Multiply. Make sure the MIDI events sent from his are > not the same > number and channel as you are using. > > This should equal the set-up to jam together with two > EDP's, except > for that you miss out on the EDP special Brother Sync. You > start with > a loop and your percussionist adds stuff or takes away > stuff on his > Tack 8. > > Excited to hear reports on how this goes! The EDP brother > sync > sessions we did when Matthias Grob and Rick Walker visited > me here in > Sweden worked out very well and I know one other Swedish > folk music > duo that uses Mobius with this "sharing dedicated > tracks" set-up. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se > www.perboysen.com > > > > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I have an upcoming loop show on the 27th of February > in Radolfzell Germany,this time ive invited the > percussionist from my latin band who plays not only latin > percussion but being greek he plays all the arabic > instruments as well.I have just recently turned him on to > Mobius,he has never looped and i am gathering tips on ways > to loop as a duo. > > The easiest way offcourse would be to have him > accompany me,or me looping his percussion and adding my > parts,or the other way syncing 2 macbooks with mobius.This > one makes me a bit tipsy because ive never looped synced > with 2 laptops and i keep hearing that there are problems > doing it that way.We also want to use perhaps with drum > loops and grooves to add at will. > > So for you looper duos out there,how are u shaking it? > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 13:46:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD6C63BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tQc81SO1gBtvTUiMiocMW2CYx0+ALnYqmrO90/i1zDJy7+9YyM0HkZA/uEk+8v1BsfwUo8LhMr7nltzuBNXOh9n1UpbKiaHNp5QskwF1615ZLEmgjuGVSZqyyxR06jeA46abaamtTHUF9Zw7yg9Inde1gHMt/pXqRiPSEbkFGlM=; X-YMail-OSG: dYGlbgEVM1nxDIYdRIrDHWo9oSj6BMwYX2QknC.Tiozs09ByGElvOFwfp1h21LZ01Fah8tFm7AfEapXwHbOLnfbFVSsbAJJXTVagb5qioENtH1IR30VwPjdq_A2kZW5poI6N3sAXx4DnR.IwxJaDGn2cyczdJNma5GVamVoXzVkUmJ_uV2xVgXwNDsX4KRA6SxQdPjspNKqaVGD9UKp_y.eA_RoHKPVwpwoRMsSKGefgHTKQFUKWVkxgDgU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 05:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <0FA574118DAB410C916A7DCFC463C16C@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <45290.65562.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, thanx buddy but man i am already getting a bit nervous about this...;-) maybe i should just let him accompany the loops...after all this guy is an = octopus he has a little percussion kit where he does 3 or four things at a = time,clave with his foot,cowbell with the other,guiro and the whole conga p= attern with one hand, i think once he would loop that he would just sit the= re wondering what else he could add;-)) i also recently brought him a bat=E1 stand from the states so he can do all= of the bata cuban santeria rhythms himself,we used to get together 3 of us= and everybody would do his part but now hes gettin the shit down himself like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoZuemMupzgo cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 1/31/09, William Walker wrote: > From: William Walker > Subject: Re: ways to loop as duo > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 1:02 PM > Though I can't give you any feedback on your looping > tools now that you're a > MoBo software guy, I can tell you what I know works. >=20 > Things to consider, are you wanting to switch the > master/slave sync > relationship? Will you be the constant clock source? If > it's the former I > suggest getting together before the gig, hooking it up, and > seeing if it can > work smoothly, which would allow greater performance > flexibility, as either > person can start the first loop. Tech rehearsals always > seem to mean less > perspiration come gig time. >=20 > If you are acting as the master only, Per's idea > sounds the most logical > but would require an additional midi pedal and perhaps a > small midi merge > box, as well as the time it takes for the script writing. > I've had good luck > looping percussionists, but it takes some practice to get > smooth at it if > you are trying to achieve precise groove loops. If you have > a drum machine, > try running it through your looper, un-synced and work on > your punch in > punch out timing, creating drum loops. The drum machine > don't lie, and it's > a good way to get familiar with what ever latency is > inherent in your > looping rig, not to mention your rhythmic acuity. If your > band mate is new > to looping, you might avoid train wrecks by looping him, > particularly if you > have no time to get together. This does however give you > more things to > multi task, and if you ask me we could all stand to do a > little less multi > tasking. Last night as I was leaving Trader Joes with the > much needed half > in half, I nearly was run over by a guy on roller skates,=20 > who was weaving, > talking on a cell phone and with the other hand holding a > potted plant, and > I believe under the influence, hear nearly skated himself > through a plate > glass window trying to avoid me. Now that is way too much > multi > tasking....;-) >=20 > I've only had experience clocking hardware loops, The > looperlative does this > really well, without the need for a midi patch bay, If each > person was using > a midi foot controller that had thru capability. Most good > ones from the > FCB1010 on up do. Each person needs to be on a different > midi channel, and > each person has to have a preset for sync record/overdub > for the master, and > midi sync record/overdub for the slave. >=20 > Bill=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 14:31:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 765533BE85; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 65898 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:31:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9HwlzCTSYaRuAu76VUnvgquPyWpLfnxmPiRsmxuVEk8=; b=Y0jlpp4FeSEL/Dxn04rOPPnYFlCjJ2/94KPIEnI/ZbijqGDNomTtIuCnzfD0LXUpgX 3XRwnbccOHFvZ6HRFh6Ju7+f+gqNlAi8ido+IbZzeG+7oYt3TyXJBrseyF+/kR/wPTWI H+j4LTJ2BzkmGaT/PPNdTwM6n/wU/VxP1wtzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=XAHv9W4/qddLquSyfkqsSOTVNhWXO/NXErx8RZ1KgoV3+1BhEl2mCmjhXiqAksYl4l kWcq3WdYWxVlMjtWoXXO4XUnL9TVwKKyra9mDN1FTH4Lw3qxpz115k9mK2e3snxItjco 3ig+haQVqWd0q6paMr/tuotQRd13MRpE3hA7Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:31:36 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8079c78883fb6851 Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Hints at multi -plexing Re-visited.. From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:31:38 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo Gang, I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also mentio= ned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to do i= n advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if yo= u start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing the SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to use my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, but now with that one as slave, or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it u= p again? (000). 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? fo= r running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start with that one (will probably do that anyway) Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for example... Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.= . Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merge box t= o split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator cheers, Mark --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo Gang,

I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I poste= d queries about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any= ). I also mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would d= are to try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...)

Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to = do in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those= doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang.

OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual)

= 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if = you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing th= e SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to us= e my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi = note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then,  I STOP EDP1... what happen= s, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? Can I now use EDP2=B4s runn= ing loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, but now with that one as sla= ve, or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start = it up again? (000).

2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?= ? for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it = only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start= with that one (will probably do that anyway) Im assuming that you cant get= DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for exam= ple...


Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest = a route..
Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I = have Midi OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to= a Merge box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lot= s of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from mer= ge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator

cheers, Mark

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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
--001636c5a2b5a77ec40461dc4b7c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:27:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9D483BE80; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=138bhixrrWtwLa9wYYQfWOGT+0dWg1d3VFjm5FA8yXUL7Plo+MvG3KNzTrqVRznfyA4nDcw9x8Hmd8lpzQy8XbiBIQcX+mLbI0iZXqFUK2y3kYJcH/kLuelGJ2FWWK6KiYAGFJQvn4s1+Q+0r88FLfneT51JZ7vcwqMF/xrz6RY=; X-YMail-OSG: P7rm1Y0VM1nhkgdKXw5UpUOFzuuT3NWDlNJ8nYkW3A6lfAV.AT99PANMOyjd2xbe_1cr0QWv1auwLficQSHLsRv3rZfSNZW6cu0rgVBrsGJ5eKMcSMWZolTu1WfoheL3Q1UbwDMqH7gDbWCdEykQTyokeNeNQ.NE2WPAUusQc76SbR9Y5pLZwkzL0M34QcmmmhzBE9EQK3ulNj5o7PGlJa94BtIEbrKoidEcx8nGcmIK8yH2VSyqMWhgLbwBhnZL X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0901290157i625fc0d5y44c8758cd8f798d5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks where beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the dude said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even take it! Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go skiing;-) But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty... www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe wrote: > From: mark francombe > Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM > > but my gut tells me China > > and India need cultural transformation to take over > world leadership. > > > > Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the > world??? > > In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he > oversees a > department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!! > When I talked to > him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason, > we in the west > think that just because they have their "colourful > culture" we think that > they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he > said, yes Ive seen > that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will > always be ahead in > technology, he said, and look how they treat their > employees... > > I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural > "about turn" is on the > cards, and that the third world becomes the first world... > but I DO believe > that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world > countries to catch up, > thru technology... > > And a less greedy work ethic... > > As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference > even between here > and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway, > everyone who wants > one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health > care, good > wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change > the other day, I > was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free > Coke that I hate... > I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the > drink... he said.. Coca > Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking > company... then HIS > mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked > away... Over here > even the beggars are fussy!!! > > I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us, > if they havent > already... > > > Mark > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 15:35:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EFED3BE81; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 140865847/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.168.157/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.168.157 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgBAHFQhUlPTqid/2dsb2JhbAAIxmGEFAaFUg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,360,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="140865847" Message-ID: <4985C2F2.1070504@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:42:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hints at multi -plexing Re-visited.. References: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0902010631n6b1785d5x4596c6eb9dcbce17@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:35:49 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe wrote: > Yo Gang, > > I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries > about the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP´s (maybe there isnt any). I also if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much can go wrong with brothersync. Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't be much use to you. If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you'll have some of the stereo problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're not recording from reset. Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible. > mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to > try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) > > Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to > do in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to > those doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. > > OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) > > 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master > and start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what > happens if you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a > bit (changing the SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this > performance at least to use my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one > with the EDPs pedal... not midi note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. > then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still > going?? still going >Can I now use EDP2´s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 > again, but now with that one as slave, yep > or does EDP1 still know its > MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it up again? (000). nope brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master > > 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? > for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it > only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS > start with that one (will probably do that anyway) probably best > Im assuming that you > cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.. 8ths against > 16ths for example... you could > > > Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.. > Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi > OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a > Merge box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 > lots of effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out > from merge goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator > > cheers, Mark > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Feb 1 16:53:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2556B3BE7C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LK6N4s7oSHAnOhm3w84Lt+yfCoukugE9Mk4LiuFiDP8=; b=pUa1En2KjsronOiKTF5dqPCRtGRhxff8/50ECV2KSuEWUAdKK4/vPDwCHAYMEiEt4m 0Qw7uo9DJHmCVpAKz6M7J5uy1ur/yYzDiAcHcTYdiSCyXoSf+RTrRdS4fph9mKpy5NuP xVtw1zkaQLZjepAkobS6h3YjaBtNeYTvvBVzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=fKjoLZndMOU4eJJATCzs8NYAfwVZzD0LM4YUyJjqXsHeHMIguWzqqOQ8hRuui3M3k1 D7NTZVzYvdxBAiqOf6nXJSPljZFyHTb4pp8+TPokgHZ36CSZBqe6K1oNPTxJxL6jgK46 1kBdvvIlGZGYu1IvuqUMKF/6aOB4yizTUoabg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9ab0c76f0901290157i625fc0d5y44c8758cd8f798d5@mail.gmail.com> <709238.33756.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:53:06 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2ddc3057e4d646a Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0902010853i68fc9f58i9de39846354e438d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about changes in the digital media age From: mark francombe To: loopers-delight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) --0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Totally unrelated... but YOUR story put me in mind of when I WAS A PUNK.. 1982ish I guess... living in Portsmouth UK, (big naval port) and when a big American Ship like the Nimmitz was in (10,000 yank sailors with pockets full of money to burn on their 3 days shore leave) we would go down town and get our photos taken with them for 10 quid a shot.. Well ok the our GIRLS did.. we hung around and looked dangerous... (or stupid, whichever... I was once called a "green haired faggot!") m On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks > where beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the > dude said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even take > it! > Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go > skiing;-) > But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty... > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe wrote: > > > From: mark francombe > > Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video about > changes in the digital media age > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM > > > but my gut tells me China > > > and India need cultural transformation to take over > > world leadership. > > > > > > > > Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the > > world??? > > > > In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he > > oversees a > > department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!! > > When I talked to > > him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason, > > we in the west > > think that just because they have their "colourful > > culture" we think that > > they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he > > said, yes Ive seen > > that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will > > always be ahead in > > technology, he said, and look how they treat their > > employees... > > > > I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural > > "about turn" is on the > > cards, and that the third world becomes the first world... > > but I DO believe > > that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world > > countries to catch up, > > thru technology... > > > > And a less greedy work ethic... > > > > As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference > > even between here > > and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway, > > everyone who wants > > one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health > > care, good > > wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change > > the other day, I > > was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free > > Coke that I hate... > > I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the > > drink... he said.. Coca > > Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking > > company... then HIS > > mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked > > away... Over here > > even the beggars are fussy!!! > > > > I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us, > > if they havent > > already... > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > www.markfrancombe.com > > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > > www.looop.no > > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --0016e6de000badc5ab0461de456d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Totally unrelated... but YOUR  story put me in mind of when I WAS A PU= NK.. 1982ish I guess... living in Portsmouth UK, (big naval port) and when = a big American Ship like the Nimmitz was in (10,000 yank sailors with pocke= ts full of money to burn on their 3 days shore leave) we would go down town= and get our photos taken with them for 10 quid a shot.. Well ok the our GI= RLS did.. we hung around and looked dangerous... (or stupid, whichever... I= was once called a "green haired faggot!")

m


On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:27 PM,= L.Angulo <laba= loops@yahoo.com> wrote:
funny story Mark;-) it reminds of a time i was in Vienna and some punks whe= re beggin on the street as i pulled out some deutsch marks back then the du= de said "oh man dont you have austrian money?then left and didnt even = take it!
Or a documentary about the poverty in Switzerland who cannot afford to go s= kiing;-)
But there must be a certain truth to that kind of poverty...

www.mysp= ace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 1/29/09, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

> From: mark francombe <mar= k@markfrancombe.com>
> Subject: Re: OT DID YOU KNOW? A fascinating and eye opening video abou= t  changes in the digital media age
> To: Loopers-Del= ight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:57 AM
> >  but my gut tells me China
> > and India need cultural transformation to take over
> world leadership.
>
>
>
> Errrm... are you perhaps suggesting that the US rules the
> world???
>
> In my company, I have a lead programmer who is Indian, he
> oversees a
> department we have set-up in Indian, yes cos its cheaper!!!
> When I talked to
> him about this, he laughed, he said that for some reason,
> we in the west
> think that just because they have their "colourful
> culture" we think that
> they are somehow behind them... I said er.. poverty... he
> said, yes Ive seen
> that poverty in the US... and I said.. but Japan will
> always be ahead in
> technology, he said, and look how they treat their
> employees...
>
> I dunno... Im not suggesting that a complete cultural
> "about turn" is on the
> cards, and that the third world becomes the first world...
> but I DO believe
> that there is a FANTASTIC chance, for the third world
> countries to catch up,
> thru technology...
>
> And a less greedy work ethic...
>
> As a UK citizen, living in Norway I can see the difference
> even between here
> and the UK... there is simply NO poverty here in Norway,
> everyone who wants
> one can have an apartment, and a job. There is free health
> care, good
> wages... christ... Someone asked me for some spare change
> the other day, I
> was carrying a Burger King Meal ,which contained a free
> Coke that I hate...
> I said I didnt have any cash, but would he like the
> drink... he said.. Coca
> Cola.. no way thanks mate, I dont support that fucking
> company... then HIS
> mobile phone rang and he got side tracked, as I walked
> away... Over here
> even the beggars are fussy!!!
>
> I think that India and China are going to sneak up on us,
> if they havent
> already...
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
> www.markfra= ncombe.com
> http://vimeo= .com/user825094
> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
> htt= p://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
> www.looop.no







--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
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From: mark francombe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Resent-Message-ID: <9f_xAB.A.2HG.xSdhJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:58:25 +0000 (UTC) --001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Andy.. little less worried... care to answer the where doth the midi clock come from question?? MASTER, SLAVE, or BOTH On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, andy butler wrote: > > > mark francombe wrote: > >> Yo Gang, >> >> I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries abo= ut >> the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also >> > > if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much can g= o > wrong with brothersync. > > Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't be > much use to you. > > If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you'll > have some of the stereo > problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're not > recording from reset. > > Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible= . > > > mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to >> try this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...) >> >> Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to d= o >> in advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those >> doing this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang. >> >> OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual) >> >> 1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master >> and start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happen= s if >> you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing= the >> SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to u= se >> my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi >> note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then, I STOP EDP1... what happens, >> does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going?? >> > > still going > > Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again= , >> but now with that one as slave, >> > > yep > > or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start i= t >> up again? (000). >> > > nope > > brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master > > > >> 2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? >> for running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it >> only comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS st= art >> with that one (will probably do that anyway) >> > > probably best > > Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each >> EDP.. 8ths against 16ths for example... >> > > you could > > >> >> Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a >> route.. >> Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi >> OUT into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merg= e >> box to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of >> effets in a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge >> goes to Roland guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator >> >> cheers, Mark >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >> www.looop.no >> > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no --001636c5a40195bc110461de5824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks Andy.. little less worried... care to answer the where doth the midi= clock come from question?? MASTER, SLAVE, or BOTH

On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:42 PM, andy butler <= ;akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:


mark francombe wrote:
Yo Gang,

I didnt get quite the volume of hints expected when I posted queries about = the fun/pitfalls of running 2 EDP=B4s (maybe there isnt any). I also

if it's only 2 edps, and you're not attempting stereo then not much= can go wrong with brothersync.

Most of my tricks are connected with the risky stereo setup, so won't b= e much use to you.

If you're going to record to both edps simultaneously then I guess you&= #39;ll have some of the stereo
problem, which is that it's common for sync to get lost when you're= not recording from reset.

Creating polyrhythms by using 2 different values of 8th/cycle is possible.<= div class=3D"Ih2E3d">


mentioned that I have a gig next week and was unsure if I would dare to try= this new set-up (If my second EDP turns up that is...)

Well.. Ive decided, I dare... but I DO have some rack reconfiguring to do i= n advance, and so have ONE SPECIFIC QUESTION, (OK 2 questions) to those doi= ng this "Oh Brother Where Art thy Sync" thang.

OK.. So..2 questions (that i cant suss from reading the manual)

1) When using Brother sync its possible to have either EDP as the Master an= d start with that one, and the other becomes the SLAVE. So what happens if = you start with EDP1, come in with EDP2.. loop freely for a bit (changing th= e SubCycles on each) (BTW Im planning , for this performance at least to us= e my current EDP with FCB1010, and new one with the EDPs pedal... not midi = note fiddling prior to the jig) So.. then,  I STOP EDP1... what happen= s, does EDP2 stop too? OR.. is it still going??

still going

Can I now use EDP2=B4s running loop as a master, and bring in EDP1 again, b= ut now with that one as slave,

yep


or does EDP1 still know its MASTER, and do a Quant rec, when you start it u= p again? (000).

nope

brother sync works both ways, whichever runs a loop is master




2) When doing the brother sync thing.. where cometh out the midi clock?? fo= r running to all the other toys.. the master EDP ? or either?... If it only= comes out the master, then thats OK, I can make a rule to ALWAYS start wit= h that one (will probably do that anyway)

probably best


Im assuming that you cant get DIFFERENT midi clock divisions from each EDP.= . 8ths against 16ths for example...

you could



Incase you need to know my rig, here it is... by all means suggest a route.= .
Currently My EDP is the clock source for my entire rig. Now I have Midi OUT= into Repeater IN for Synching that, then Rptres THRU going to a Merge box = to split the sig a bit, Then one out from merge going to 3 lots of effets i= n a row (MOFX, EF303, and RedSound Fed) the OTHER out from merge goes to Ro= land guitar synth IN for syncing the arpegiator

cheers, Mark

--
www.markfr= ancombe.com <http://www.markfrancombe.com>

http://vimeo.com/= user825094
http= ://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://w= ww.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no &l= t;http://www.looop.no= >




--
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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
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