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arghh... left a comment on ube.
unbelievable! ...

raul.

2008/12/1 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>

> Hi,
>
> Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here:
> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550
>
> This is a flute improvisation with the typical speed-shift-by-pedals
> improvisation style for creating chord changes by re-pitching the loop
> while playing over it (and even overdubbing into it). If you hear
> something that reminds of the Eventide effect devices it is the
> SoundToys Native plug-ins. I really love them! The bizarre scratchy
> noise sound is the flute played through MainStage's (and Logic's, they
> share the same plug-ins) vocoder plug-in. The pitch rider isn't very
> accurate, which you can hear at the end of the piece (funny wailing
> tone there ;-)
>
> Per
>
>


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arghh... left a comment on ube.<div><br></div><div>unbelievable! ...</div><div><br></div><div>raul.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/12/1 Per Boysen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here:<br>
<a href="http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550" target="_blank">http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550</a><br>
<br>
This is a flute improvisation with the typical speed-shift-by-pedals<br>
improvisation style for creating chord changes by re-pitching the loop<br>
while playing over it (and even overdubbing into it). If you hear<br>
something that reminds of the Eventide effect devices it is the<br>
SoundToys Native plug-ins. I really love them! The bizarre scratchy<br>
noise sound is the flute played through MainStage&#39;s (and Logic&#39;s, they<br>
share the same plug-ins) vocoder plug-in. The pitch rider isn&#39;t very<br>
accurate, which you can hear at the end of the piece (funny wailing<br>
tone there ;-)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Per<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a><br>
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Wow Per, "We want more" :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too =
is a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download=
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Yeah, that's me!  I played the first set on Sunday so only a few people saw
it.  You guys really impressed me with your willingness to share knowledge
and support one another.

We  never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction....

Lindsey

---
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your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced us to after the
Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at another Ricks
friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that night?

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

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Yeah, that&#39;s me!&nbsp; I played the first set on Sunday so only a few people saw it.&nbsp; You guys really impressed me with your willingness to share knowledge and support one another. <br><br>We&nbsp; never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction....<br>
<br>Lindsey<br><br>---<br>Hey Lindsey,<br>
your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced us to after
the Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at another
Ricks friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that night?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>

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I love the way the sound evolves.  Very meditative and beautiful.  Cute
ending.  Bravo!

Lindsey

2008/11/30 Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>

> Wow Per, "We want more" :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too is
> a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download this?
> ---
> Sjaak
> http://www.livelooping.be/
> http://www.overgaauw.be/
> http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw
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>
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I love the way the sound evolves.&nbsp; Very meditative and beautiful.&nbsp; Cute ending.&nbsp; Bravo!<br><br>Lindsey<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/11/30 Sjaak <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tcplugin@scarlet.be">tcplugin@scarlet.be</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Wow Per, &quot;We want more&quot; :) I was already a big fan of yours but this too is a very inspiring piece of music. Is there a chance we can buy/download this?<br>

---<br>
Sjaak<br>
<a href="http://www.livelooping.be/" target="_blank">http://www.livelooping.be/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.overgaauw.be/" target="_blank">http://www.overgaauw.be/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw</a><br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer!<br>
Doe mee en surf ook gratis! &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm" target="_blank">http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm</a><br>
<br>
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Per, 
Do you have a bigger picture of this yellow music box? Thanks
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"You'd need a pretty smart sample player, with many layers of samples
being triggered under different circumstances to do a reasonable job,
and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defeat you
(depending on controller and its match to the instrument being
modelled)."

A pretty complicated process indeed...but that is of course if the aim
was to imitate the instrument in real time. All those nuances could be
put together if one were to programme it in slowly keeping in mind the
instrument.  one would ask..why go through the hassle, just play the
guitar and record it?

I guess it would be that the sampler is the instrument that i wish to
learn not the guitar. In the case of the conga, I have learnt it to an
extent but struggle to get a good sound for recording (injuy/newbie
recording chops). It would not take long for me to mimic all the
nuances of playing conga if they were made available to me but, like
you say, i would if i were to play the sampler live and map piano
movements to conga sounds.
All is well in the realm of programming.

but i think it is possible to say take 16 conga samples and assign
them to say a trigger finger and practice finger excersices using the
trigger finger as virtual conga. (not so painful, great on quality.
but the guitar would present more of a translation challenge.

I guess i want the sampler to be a kind of 'any instrument'. learn the
techniques of the sampler well enough and have access to any sound
without going through the years of learning various techniques..and
stil be able to 'play' it live, perhaps a deadend since i woudnt be
able t visualise the techniques in the programming of melodys, grooves
or in the mapping it to a triiger finger or three...and would only
just pass as 'ok sounding'

to have all perc instruments at my disposal with one controller, one
technique to learn and the ultimate in portability (with the one draw
back of being 'inauthentic')
But the people in my generation like that inauthentic sound- so its all good

these kids, always looking for shortcuts around years of hard work

errr... was i babbliing?

just trying to make music like the sounds i hear in my head.











On 11/30/08, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> You can replicate a single note via a sampler pretty darned well. What is
> much harder to replicate realistically are incidental noises and
> non-pianistic techniques in a particular idiom (especially if you're trying
> to trigger them via MIDI, an extremely keyboard-centric view of the world).
> Even playing a single note on my guitar - how hard I pluck it determines
> both how "slappy" (as in bass slapping) it sounds, and also how much of a
> little fret buzz coming in after the 2nd note hits. And the attack of the
> 2nd note, being a hammer-on, is quite different than the attack of the first
> (and is impossible for the sampler to even begin to model, since all it gets
> is a MIDI pitch change message from the controller - how does it know it's a
> hammer?). You'd need a pretty smart sample player, with many layers of
> samples being triggered under different circumstances to do a reasonable
> job, and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defeat you (depending
> on controller and its match to the instrument being modelled).
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:26 AM, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mark francombe
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >  I never found a way to
> > > > satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance.  .
> > > >
> > >
> > > No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument.
> > >
> > > andy butler
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Nanotechnology?
> >
> > PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point
> tho...
> >
> > Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless that's all one is
> striving to do, I guess.  I wanted to make music with Tablas, not learn how
> to replicate them.
> >
>
>

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2008/12/1 Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>:
> Per,
> Do you have a bigger picture of this yellow music box? Thanks


I'm afraid not. But someone posted internet links to web pages with
better pictures of it. Check back in the list archives some 30 hours
before this mail was sent.

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mark francombe wrote:
> 
>          I never found a way to
>         satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance.  .  
> 
> 
>     No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument.
> 
>     andy butler
> 
> Nanotechnology?
> 
> PS, are you sure? 

Yep :-)

On a recording? 

not yet.


I bet you can... dont see the point 
> tho...

Exactly, the world is full of people who want to use
new technology so that's it's easy for them to
replicate the music that is already available. 

To me, the point would be to work out what it
is about acoustic instruments that makes them so
expressive, and apply that knowledge to make
better electronic instruments.

andy

> 
> 

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:02 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Exactly, the world is full of people who want to use
> new technology so that's it's easy for them to
> replicate the music that is already available.
> To me, the point would be to work out what it
> is about acoustic instruments that makes them so
> expressive, and apply that knowledge to make
> better electronic instruments.
>
> andy


Excellent summing up of the Moronic Question!!! I fully agree!

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Good post Rick. I would like to add my personal view on this discussion. =
In case I use the wrong words, please forgive me because it=92s not easy =
to express myself well in this type of philosophical threads while Englis=
h is not your mother language. Here we go

The Camp II approach has a couple of advantages compared Camp I. First of=
 all, the more artwork you deliver, the more feedback you get from other =
people. You will use this feedback unconsciously as an input for your nex=
t piece, or mix them with other ideas, emotions etc. To say it in other w=
ords: your own creative process works like a kind of looper: the brain ac=
ts like a mixer and a filter and your state of mind decides what comes ou=
t if. So I think you=92re right about the fact that the camp II approach =
result in more diverse artwork because of these many different inputs. 

It might that some Camp I individuals will be able to produce top pieces =
though, but over time, I believe the average quality of Camp II will be h=
igher. Why? Because Camp II is constantly learning and applying what they=
 learned, putting in more experience in the process. And don=92t forget t=
he psychological component of this whole process: having deadlines and be=
 less critical towards yourself is an experience on it=92s own and Camp I=
 folks will miss that. 

I guess that in our daily lives, and depending of your state of mind, the=
 individual artist is ping-ponging between Camp I and II. At least I=92m.=
 My Camp 1 brother is the perfectionist, my Camp II the guy who really wa=
nts to achieve something, so setting deadlines is something I=92m doing m=
ore and more compared to the past. For example, what I learned from the L=
D community is that you simply should start making live improvisation mus=
ic in stead of keep talking and reading about it. 

If you=92re in Camp I, you might even be waiting for ever before you thin=
k the time has come for your master piece of the year. Having too much ti=
me is not always good. I know from experience that having too much time a=
nd technology can kill your creative flow. In fact, spending too much tim=
e on tiny little details won=92t add much to the overall result. I still =
think the first approach often is the best one. 

Yes, you may even have a more relaxed and chilly life compared to the Cam=
p II guys but in the end you will end up with very little, maybe even not=
hing or you=92re not understood by the audience because they can=92t put =
your single master piece into the context of you as an artist, or compare=
 with your other works. And besides that, I think diversity says a lot ab=
out the artist. The more you see and hear about a person, the better you =
are able to figure out what the artist is all about, what he/she tries to=
 say or show, and what he/she is good at. And btw: that will differ from =
person to person. In other words: you might =93think=94 they like your wo=
rk for reason A, but it could be B, or C or D.
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hi there!
just wanting to try mobius with an atom based pc.
does anybody know of a reliable (with well written
drivers) small as possible, usb soundcard. any config. of input
/output it's o.k.

surfed the web and the majority of the users report
issues with stability on almost any brand and model!

thanks,
ra=FCl.

--=20
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com

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hi there!<div><br></div><div>just wanting to try mobius with an atom based =
pc.</div><div>does anybody know of a reliable (with well written</div><div>=
drivers) small as possible, usb soundcard. any config. of input</div><div>
/output it&#39;s o.k.</div><div><br></div><div>surfed the web and the major=
ity of the users report</div><div>issues with stability on almost any brand=
 and model!</div><div><br></div><div>thanks,</div><div>ra=FCl.<br clear=3D"=
all">
<br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href=3D"http://www.telefonica.net/web2=
/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a h=
ref=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>TP=
O at myspace: <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http:/=
/www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>
TPO at Jamendo: <a href=3D"http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</=
a><br>
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Hi Raul,
I use the Edirol UA-1EX USB audio interface, costs you 68 EUR's. I use it=
 for 2 years, without any problem.

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Quoting samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com>:
>
> Playing a marimba or vibes sample with one
>  finger of each hand  gets much closer to the feel of two mallets   
> than you can with one hand playing the same part.
>
Yes, indeed!  A huge aspect of "replicating" real instruments is to  
consider how the real instrument is played.

In particular, when playing percussion samples, to play them with the  
"two finger" method imparts a visceral feeling to the music.   
Quantized/programmed material produces a more "objective/mechanized"  
effect.   I use whatever approach gives me the effect that I want.


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On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> "....makes it more
> difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach
> encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to":
> categorize your recordings in record stores and online."
>
>   One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and market different identities in different ways to different target tribes,audiences
> (or audients for Really exclusive musical cults).
>
> I am planning to do exactly this. At some point.


>
>   I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band
> This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die.
>
>
Good one! Love it.

Warren

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com">sambacomet@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div>
&nbsp;<br><pre>&quot;....makes it more<br>difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach<br>encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to&quot;:<br>categorize your recordings in record stores and online.&quot;<br>
<br>  One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and market different identities in different ways to different target tribes,audiences <br>(or audients for Really exclusive musical cults).</pre></div>
</blockquote><div>I am planning to do exactly this. At some point.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><pre><br>  I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band <br>
This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die.<br></pre></div>
</blockquote></div><br>Good one! Love it.<br><br>Warren<br>

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Hi all,=20
just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real =
time last night.
http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my =
podcast

I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,=20
5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are =
all there....).

Greetings

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>Hi all, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080>just to share - =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#000080><A=20
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> Michael Noble wrote:
> Similarly, wavetable synthesis, which I don't
> claim to understand in technical detail, involves synthesis based on
> sampling.  It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant
> sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on
> sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the
> sonic event level.  In thus respect, a dualism as stated is possibly
> too simplistic.

Most workstation like synthesizers uses this approach to synthesize sound=
s. So 
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veform (sinus, square, sawtooth) and a sample. Keep in mind that most of =
these very short samples are useless on its own, only when you threat the=
m as a complex wave form and synthesize them using filters, envelopes and=
 modulation etc 

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hesis. The PPG Wave from Germany was the first commercially available wav=
etable synthesizer, should have been in the late 70's. It took until 1985=
 before Roland released the first synth (D-50) using rom-sampling technol=
ogy in a way we still use it today in both hard and soft synths.  
--- 
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I suspect that one doesn't realize just how many other people on the =
planet have your name until such branding notions occur.  Obviously I =
feel dubious about "Steve Goodman" despite being born in New Orleans; =
there are a ton of "Stephen Goodman"s out there but finally I figured =
the same solution as samba did:

"Stephen Goodman" originally was it, and did ambient-situational or =
soundtrack music;
"SP Goodman" :=3D more mainstream guitarwork, still (oh oh) 'electronic' =
and looping;
(unannounced) :=3D (unannounced music/style) (via old archives and/or =
PDQ Bach);

Now the first two get combined when I feel the need to "SP".  My friends =
call me Steve.


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Warren Sirota=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Art/Discipline





  On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> =
wrote:



"....makes it moredifficult to market oneself to the world at large =
because this approachencourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes =
it tough for people to":categorize your recordings in record stores and =
online."
  One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. and =
market different identities in different ways to different target =
tribes,audiences (or audients for Really exclusive musical cults).I am =
planning to do exactly this. At some point.
  =20
  I like to get a few of my personas to collaborate as a band=20
This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the =
promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually die.
  Good one! Love it.

  Warren

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I suspect that one doesn't realize just how many =
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Obviously I feel dubious about "Steve Goodman" despite being born in New =

Orleans; there are a ton of "Stephen Goodman"s out there but finally I =
figured=20
the same solution as samba did:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Stephen Goodman" originally was it, and=20
did&nbsp;ambient-situational or soundtrack music;</FONT></DIV>
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(oh oh)=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(unannounced) :=3D (unannounced music/style) (via =
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:53 PM, samba - =
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    <DIV><BR><PRE>"....makes it more<BR>difficult to market oneself to =
the world at large because this approach<BR>encourages a lot of =
stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to":<BR>categorize =
your recordings in record stores and online."<BR>
<BR>  One solution is to create multiple personalities/bands/brands etc. =
and market different identities in different ways to different target =
tribes,audiences <BR>(or audients for Really exclusive musical =
cults).</PRE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV>I am planning to do exactly this. At some point.<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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a band <BR>
This approach also makes it easier to kill off a persona and get the =
promo advantage of being dead,without having to actually =
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At 3:43 PM +0100 12/1/08, Sjaak wrote:
>  > Michael Noble wrote:
>  > It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant
>  > sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on
>>  sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the
>  > sonic event level.

This, if I am not mistaken, is the whole philosophy behind Granular 
Synthesis, which has been around since the 80's.

>Most workstation like synthesizers uses this approach to synthesize sounds. So
>I would say that a synthetic sound can be produced with both a 
>classic waveform (sinus, square, sawtooth) and a sample. Keep in 
>mind that most of these very short samples are useless on its own, 
>only when you threat them as a complex wave form and synthesize them 
>using filters, envelopes and modulation etc

Tit-for-tat here: one of the notorious "cheats" that some VST/AU 
soft-synths use in order to keep CPU-usage down is to use a sampled 
sine/square/whatever wave as the source for the oscillators (as 
opposed to generating it in realtime using math; merely reading back 
a table is less CPU-intensive).

So, in many VST's you're using samples as the synth.  Is that 
sampling, or synthesis, or both?

>Wavetable synthesis is good example of applying sample technology in 
>synthesis. The PPG Wave from Germany was the first commercially 
>available wavetable synthesizer, should have been in the late 70's. 
>It took until 1985 before Roland released the first synth (D-50) 
>using rom-sampling technology in a way we still use it today in both 
>hard and soft synths.

And even Roland didn't promote that as "wavetable" synthesis, 
preferring instead to hang it on a psychoacoustic principle and 
terming it LA Synthesis.  Although you could get some wavetable 
effects (or at least I used to be able to on my old Kawai K1, which 
was a D-50 ripoff).  Equally close to the PPG would have been the 
Prophet VS, which allowed four-way mixing between wave sources (some 
of which were sampled).  But it wasn't until the Korg Wavestation 
(which, IIRC, was developed by SCI engineers/technology purchased 
when Sequential went belly-up) that a real wavetable synth was to 
pick up where the PPG left off.

Of course, then Waldorf came back and reintroduced the real thing [sic]....

	--m.
-- 
_____
"when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams"

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo <info@eterogeneo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time
> last night.
> http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my
> podcast
>
> I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,
> 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all
> there....).


Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder".

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

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> Tit-for-tat here: one of the notorious "cheats" that some VST/AU 
> soft-synths use in order to keep CPU-usage down is to use a sampled 
> sine/square/whatever wave as the source for the oscillators (as 
> opposed to generating it in realtime using math; merely reading back 
> a table is less CPU-intensive).

Yep, I heard that before :) I think all romplers like Motif=92s, Triton=92=
s etc work like this. Btw: I had a similar discussion on a synthforum. I =
own a Prophet 08, it's marketed as a synthesizer with a 100% analog signa=
l path but it uses a digital controlled oscillator (DCO) and a parameter =
called "oscillator slop" which allows subtle amounts of frequency drift. =
In others words: to add typical voltage controlled (VCO) behavior ;) So a=
 purist says it's not a 100% analog synthesizer. But I personally have no=
 problems with it; it's the result what counts and the Prophet sounds lik=
e the real deal, so as analog as can be. 

> So, in many VST's you're using samples as the synth.  Is that 
> sampling, or synthesis, or both?

I would say synthesis, since you use it as a source to synthesize sounds.=
 But that's my interpretation of it; I know many others would probably sa=
y sampling. I associate sampling with either drums loops to play loops an=
d huge sample libraries such as Ivory Grand Pianos or NI Acoustic Piano t=
o simulate 
 
Funny, the K1 was my first synth! And although it was noisy, you could pr=
ogram amazing sounds with it. And it's a pity the Prophet VS was a bad pr=
oduct quality wise, it deserved better, it might have saved Sequential. 
--- 
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=0A
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topu had a problem
 > 1.  i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3  so 2L and 3L
 >   -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will come
 >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass  
shattering.

and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested:
yes this is the trick I confirm
when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop
during setup and it will not happen


One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not  
been used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be  
zeroed
but
this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it  
just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not  
a big noise.

I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare  
and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it,  
because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles...  
then again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so  
rarely that they dont know how it happens...

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Quoting Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
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> Hi,
>
> Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here:
> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550
>
Per,

"70,000 Years Ago" is gorgeous and the "Yellow Music box" is ingenious.

Enjoyed listening.

-- Kevin

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Quoting eterogeneo <info@eterogeneo.com>:
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> Hi all,
> just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in   
> real time last night.
> http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on  
>  my podcast
>
Fabio,

Great work.  Enjoyed listening to this.

My best time to listen to music is here at the office and when they  
are "audio only" files that makes things quite easy  --  I can't watch  
video and work at the same time and I don't want the LAN guys to get  
on my case for using too much bandwidth.  :)

-- Kevin

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<DIV>I'm interested in taking this out a bit.</DIV>
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What? didnt Rick tell you it is not allowed to make longer than 20 min
live looping gigs

I mean, real live looping gigs with ebows, phrygian chords, and the same
background loop for 5 minutes.
noodling and shoe gazing is bonus

Claude

:=)

> Jonathan Kessler a écrit :
>> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a 
>> performance at y2k8.
>> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
>> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
>>  
>> I'm interested in taking this out a bit.
>> I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be 
>> hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig.
>>  
>> Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.
>>  
>> Jonathan
>>  
> 

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I work around those silly rules buy marketing myself as a 
singer-songwriter type and using loops without fanfare.  So far I've 
been getting away with it pretty well.




At 6:54 PM +0100 12/1/08, Claude Voit wrote:
>
>What? didnt Rick tell you it is not allowed to make longer than 20 min
>live looping gigs
>
>I mean, real live looping gigs with ebows, phrygian chords, and the same
>background loop for 5 minutes.
>noodling and shoe gazing is bonus


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The looping part is irrelevant to getting gigs, for the most part.  It's the
type of music you're playing.  If you make experimental/avant garde/out
there music (without getting bogged down in a discussion of what those terms
mean), you need to find venues and performance opportunities that are open
to that.  If you're doing jazz standards, you go to those places.  No one
cares much what gear you use to make your music, just that it fills their
musical expectations for the evening.

Personally, I play acoustic guitar instrumentals, really bland normal stuff
by the standards of this list, so I play restaurants and coffeeshops.  I
just tell them I do acoustic guitar instrumentals and have my own PA.  They
almost always want you to be the sole entertainment for the evening though,
so two sets is the minimum.

TH

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> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance
> at y2k8.
> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
>
>

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The looping part is irrelevant to getting gigs, for the most part.&nbsp; It&#39;s the type of music you&#39;re playing.&nbsp; If you make experimental/avant garde/out there music (without getting bogged down in a discussion of what those terms mean), you need to find venues and performance opportunities that are open to that.&nbsp; If you&#39;re doing jazz standards, you go to those places.&nbsp; No one cares much what gear you use to make your music, just that it fills their musical expectations for the evening.<br>
<br>Personally, I play acoustic guitar instrumentals, really bland normal stuff by the standards of this list, so I play restaurants and coffeeshops.&nbsp; I just tell them I do acoustic guitar instrumentals and have my own PA.&nbsp; They almost always want you to be the sole entertainment for the evening though, so two sets is the minimum.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Kessler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kesslari@yahoo.com">kesslari@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.</div>
<div>And now I&#39;m hooked, and I&#39;m wondering.</div>
<div>Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?</div>
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Lindsey well hello and welcome to the machine!!
i hope i can see your set next time,calimba man and i got so caught up improvising at Ricks place that we didnt make it;-)
cheers
Luis



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--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lindsey Walker <lindsey.walker@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lindsey Walker <lindsey.walker@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Looping Newbie!
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:20 PM
> Yeah, that's me!  I played the first set on Sunday so
> only a few people saw
> it.  You guys really impressed me with your willingness to
> share knowledge
> and support one another.
> 
> We  never did finish that rewrite of Satisfaction....
> 
> Lindsey
> 
> ---
> Hey Lindsey,
> your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced
> us to after the
> Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at
> another Ricks
> friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that
> night?
> 
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the 
display joke we created ...

:=)

big kiss

Claude



Matthias Grob a écrit :
> topu had a problem
>  > 1.  i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3  so 2L and 3L
>  >   -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will come
>  >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass 
> shattering.
> 
> and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested:
> yes this is the trick I confirm
> when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop
> during setup and it will not happen
> 
> 
> One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not been 
> used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be zeroed
> but
> this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it 
> just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not a 
> big noise.
> 
> I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare 
> and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it, 
> because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles... then 
> again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so rarely 
> that they dont know how it happens...
> 
> 
> 

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Jonathan Kessler wrote:
> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a 
> performance at y2k8.
> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?

Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)

or be prepared to travel.

If you like the idea of playing private views, then contact
any local artists who are likely to have an exhibition. 

andy butler  
ps..
you know that <reply-to> thing that keeps being mentioned.......

>  
> I'm interested in taking this out a bit.
> I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be 
> hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig.
>  
> Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.
>  
> Jonathan
>  
> 

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What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press lots of buttons in
funny combinations...

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit <c.voit@vtx.ch> wrote:

> and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the
> display joke we created ...
>
> :=)
>
> big kiss
>
> Claude
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>
>
>
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What?? DAMN... Not me either... off to the dp to press lots of buttons in funny combinations...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Claude Voit <span dir="ltr">&lt;c.voit@vtx.ch&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the display joke we created ...<br>

<br>
:=)<br>
<br>
big kiss<br>
<br>
Claude<br>
<br>
<br>
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Im pretty lucky here in Oslo, infact you are hard pressed to find a venue
that caters for people that play "songs"!
Most usual gig type here??? seriously looking boys kneeling on the floor
with no instruments and a mass of effect pedals... oh.. not forgetting Black
Metal... I guess they play songs... of a sort...

m

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> Jonathan Kessler wrote:
>
>> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance
>> at y2k8.
>> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
>> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
>>
>
> Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)
>
> or be prepared to travel.
>
> If you like the idea of playing private views, then contact
> any local artists who are likely to have an exhibition.
> andy butler  ps..
> you know that <reply-to> thing that keeps being mentioned.......
>
>
>   I'm interested in taking this out a bit.
>> I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I'd be hard
>> pressed to do a 4 hour gig.
>>  Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.
>>  Jonathan
>>
>>
>
>


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Im pretty lucky here in Oslo, infact you are hard pressed to find a venue that caters for people that play &quot;songs&quot;!<br>Most usual gig type here??? seriously looking boys kneeling on the floor with no instruments and a mass of effect pedals... oh.. not forgetting Black Metal... I guess they play songs... of a sort...<br>
<br>m<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM, andy butler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
Jonathan Kessler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.<br>
And now I&#39;m hooked, and I&#39;m wondering.<br>
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)<br>
<br>
or be prepared to travel.<br>
<br>
If you like the idea of playing private views, then contact<br>
any local artists who are likely to have an exhibition. <br><font color="#888888">
andy butler &nbsp;ps..<br>
you know that &lt;reply-to&gt; thing that keeps being mentioned.......</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
&nbsp;I&#39;m interested in taking this out a bit.<br>
I could probably do an hour of musically interesting looping, I&#39;d be hard pressed to do a 4 hour gig.<br>
&nbsp;Thanks for any tips or insights you might share.<br>
&nbsp;Jonathan<br>
&nbsp;<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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Has anyone done any music using singing stones?

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Stephen Micus did an album called The Music of Stones which was created
primarily from a large block of polished marble played in a cathedral
somewhere.  Its a really nice record (as are most of his recordings IMO).

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>
> peace,
>
> plish
> www.michaelplishka.com
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> http://thecavewall.posterous.com
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>
>



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Stephen Micus did an album called The Music of Stones which was created primarily from a large block of polished marble played in a cathedral somewhere.&nbsp; Its a really nice record (as are most of his recordings IMO).<br><br>
Kevin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com">mike@michaelplishka.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli" target="_blank">http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli</a></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Has anyone done any music using singing 
stones?</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">peace,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">plish</font></div>
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Yep, I have to do the same thing. I organised performances at over 30
festivals and venues last year by maintaining a high profile website with
video clips showing them 'what they get' when they book me!

If anybody has any recommendations of places that book loopers, please pass
them on :)

K

2008/12/1 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>

>
>
> Jonathan Kessler wrote:
>
>> Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance
>> at y2k8.
>> And now I'm hooked, and I'm wondering.
>> Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?
>>
>
> Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)
>
> or be prepared to travel.
>
-- 
Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016
Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk

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Yep, I have to do the same thing. I organised performances at over 30 festivals and venues last year by maintaining a high profile website with video clips showing them &#39;what they get&#39; when they book me!<br><br>If anybody has any recommendations of places that book loopers, please pass them on :)<br>
<br>K<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/12/1 andy butler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
Jonathan Kessler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Well, Rick brought me into this wacky world of looping with a performance at y2k8.<br>
And now I&#39;m hooked, and I&#39;m wondering.<br>
Where and how do you performing loopers get (or set) gigs?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Generally I have to organise them myself ;-)<br>
<br>
or be prepared to travel.<br></blockquote></div>-- <br>Kayla&#39;s website: <a href="http://www.kaylakavanagh.com">http://www.kaylakavanagh.com</a><br>MySpace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh">http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh</a><br>
FaceBook: <a href="http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016">http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016</a><br>Kaleidoscope Web Design: <a href="http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk">http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk</a><br>


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The closest I got was a 1978 Les Paul. Fucker was HEAVY!
On Dec 1, 2008, at 6:25 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com>  
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This is on ebay now, starting price $275, just so ya know:

http://tinyurl.com/5r67tt

dc



On Nov 28, 2008, at 5:42 PM, David Coffin wrote:

> Offering up my rare and delightful 8-band delay/chorus, the Yamaha  
> UD Stomp, plus an EV-5 pedal, essential for fully exploring the  
> potential of this innovative device.
>
> Picture here:  http://tinyurl.com/5fkcyz
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> Details here: http://tinyurl.com/6xbor3
> http://tinyurl.com/6do2ce
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> Best offer over $325
>
> David
>
> 1096 Winchuck River Road
> Brookings, OR 97415
> 541-412-2793
>
>
>

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OK, how bout $300 or best offer?


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> switch for jacking into the back of the DD-20 to tap tempo, etc. =20
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I've had mine display '666' on power up lately, and has been acting =
funny
ever since, with a 'pop' every time I hit record or overdub..it doesn't =
show
up in the loop, though, but it is loud enough to notice.=20

dave eichenberger
www.daveeichenberger.com


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and there are not soo many real hardcore user as nobody ever found the=20
display joke we created ...

:=3D)

big kiss

Claude



Matthias Grob a =E9crit :
> topu had a problem
>  > 1.  i switch between using 2 recording channels and 3  so 2L and 3L
>  >   -sometimes i'll record something and some of my old loops will =
come
>  >back followed by a horrific white noise that sounds like glass=20
> shattering.
>=20
> and Claude, Frank and Andy suggested:
> yes this is the trick I confirm
> when I know I will be brutal with my edps I record a 3min silence loop
> during setup and it will not happen
>=20
>=20
> One thing is that the horrible noise comes from memory that has not =
been=20
> used since its started up. by recording a silent loop this can be =
zeroed
> but
> this does not fix that bug where it jumps to a wrong memory place, it=20
> just makes it less horrible since you get silence or old music and not =
a=20
> big noise.
>=20
> I am very sorry for that bug. I really overloaded the LOOP IV softare=20
> and I even came to the point to trash it instead of releasing it,=20
> because or all those smart tricks to save some processor cycles... =
then=20
> again, if only a few hard core EDP users experience the bug so rarely=20
> that they dont know how it happens...
>=20
>=20
>=20

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Dear Sjaak,

I couldn't have said it better in my native tongue (and I certainly 
couldn't even attempt it in Flemish, German or French so mad 
props to you for being quadralinqual).

The one thing I find since you mentioned that your 
Camp I personality is your perfectionist personality, 
it that the biggest problem I see amongst all artists is 
that their editing faculties outweigh their creative faculties.

We, of course, need both to create (viz a vis  Einstein's quote that 
"Genius is 2% inspiration and 98% perspiration) but 
the western culture paradigm seems increasingly to promote 
judgment and over cautiousness amongst it's artists.

My theory is that this over judgemental/over cautious mentality amongst 
artists (and increasingly amongst younger artists in the are I live in) 
is a casualty of a culture that has become increasingly mass media 
dominated.   At the local bars that I go to,  I am hearing student 
conversations that are almost entirely dominated by discussions about 
various forms of media,  from recorded music media to movies to video games, 
etc.

This is,  at least anecdotally, a huge change from when I was a student 
back in the early 70's.    In those days,  media (mostly music) was 
discussed a lot, but so was philosophy, spirituality, science, history, 
literature.

In a way,  it is what it is as we do live in an increasingly media dependent 
and media saturated society,   but the output of younger artists seems to 
have dramatically dropped off (ironically at the same time).   In our 
region, the number of places that a young musical group can perform has also 
(and perhaps commensorately) dropped off.

I used to tell young bands (when I was making part of my living as a 
'champagne living on a beer budget, music business advisor to local groups) 
that I didn't think a band could really call itself a band until it had 
50 live shows under it's belt (how else do you learn how to do a soundcheck 
under bad circumstances; get a great stage sound when your monitors are 
shit, etc.).  You could accomplish this by aggressively booking yourself and 
playing local free parties in a years time in the early 80's.   Nowadays, it 
could take you 10 years in this particular town to book 50 shows.

I ramble a bit,  but my point is that the CAMP 2 approach seems to be the 
best approach just to merely conteract these trends.

That being said and done,  I should quit babbling and get back to the video 
that I'm almost finished with.

By the way,   mad kudos to Per Boysen for being so active and sharing so 
much of his music with this community.   You are really inspiring me, Per,
and it's not the first time that I've felt this way.   That latest piece is 
very cool.  Thanks.

rick

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Here are a couple guys using loopers in their electric duo, called El Ten
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69-Daa5aa3Y 

 

 

 

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Hi all.
Well, I did my first long gig with my newer jazz looping rig this past
weekend (MacBook running Windows XP, running B4, Kontakt, Akoustik
Piano, Reaktor, and Guitar Rig inside Ableton). Everything worked.

I would like to add another capability: running Mobius inside Ableton
and using it to overdub guitar parts. I like to do this on Stolen
Moments by Oliver Nelson. I was playing with it a bit, and it seems
like when I hit Next Loop, it immediately switches and starts
recording the next loop rather than waiting till the beginning of the
next bar. I have Synch Mode set to "Host Beat", and Mobius is properly
waiting till the beginning of a bar to start recording. The Next Loop
function, however, does not wait for the next bar. Is there a way to
get it to do this?

When I play the tune with an Echoplex, I like to record 3 background
loops. One has two overdubbed guitar parts and one has 3. It would be
cool to do this without having lots of tracks and pedal controls in
Ableton. I would appreciate suggestions, thanks.

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> Dear Sjaak,
> The one thing I find since you mentioned that your 
> Camp I personality is your perfectionist personality, 
> it that the biggest problem I see amongst all artists is 
> that their editing faculties outweigh their creative faculties.

Yep, that's true. The good news is that the LD list and the CT-collective=
 help us to be more creative. Without these communities, I was probably s=
till in my dark studio arranging and sequencing, not practicing live loop=
ing. It=92s actually so much more fun to create live improvisation music =
and it kind of makes you much more interesting as an artist too. 

> In a way,  it is what it is as we do live in an increasingly media depe=
ndent 
> and media saturated society,   but the output of younger artists seems =
to 
> have dramatically dropped off (ironically at the same time).   In our 
> region, the number of places that a young musical group can perform has=
 also 
> (and perhaps commensorately) dropped off.

I don=92t have many contacts in the student world but I recognize the phe=
nomena that it=92s more difficult to find a place to play live. The good =
thing about my city Antwerp is that the city counsel recognized the need =
to promote music for the youth so they have started a music centre in 200=
3 called Trix where you can rehearse, give parties for 400 people with a =
DJ, do free try-outs with your act on a big stage with a PA, light show a=
nd technician=85organize listen sessions (literature). This is offered fo=
r very reasonable prices and sometimes even for free. I think the social =
and cultural spin off of this kind of initiatives is always a good thing =
for the society. Btw: this is the place where livelooping.be festival mig=
ht take place next year ;) 

But I=92m wondering why younger artists are dropping off. Mass media is c=
ertainly a big factor: we all know how many hours our kids spent on the i=
nternet or playing games in stead of doing more social activities like pl=
aying outside, making music etc I have the feeling it more difficult to e=
ncourage or motivate them compared to the past, because they are bombed a=
nd triggered by the mass media.
 
> I didn't think a band could really call itself a band until it had 
> 50 live shows under it's belt (how else do you learn how to do a sound =
check 
> under bad circumstances; get a great stage sound when your monitors are=
 
> shit, etc.).  

lol. But it=92s true; the best way to learn swimming is to jump into the =
pool. You haven=92t played live if nothing did go wrong. And although it =
can be annoying at the moment itself, you learn a lot from it plus=85and =
that=92s the best part=85you can laugh about it later on. Could be great =
thread btw: your worst moment as a live artist :)

> I ramble a bit,  but my point is that the CAMP 2 approach seems to be t=
he 
> best approach just to merely conteract these trends.

But I do like the Camp I approach (not the perfectionist); it=92s maybe a=
 little closer to the way we would like to see an artist, so not being pu=
shed by the society. Is that what you were saying?
--- 
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli
>
> Has anyone done any music using singing stones?
>
> peace,
>
> plish


Yes. About 18 months ago I visited the island Gotland in the Baltic
sea between Sweden and Finland/Russia etc. There was a rather big
singing stone there, like 2 meters long and flat on the top. We played
it and I recorded, even did a stupid piece in Ableton Live from it,
but the sound wasn't much compared to human crafted instruments. Quite
stiff actually. But the interesting part was to read all stories from
past centuries of what have happened around that stone. This island
once was the commercial center for the whole north European region,
before the Hansa based in L=FBbeck took over. There were so many crazy
stories about angels and saints connected to that stone, only further
convincing me that life must have been extremely boring in during the
pre laptop ages.

--=20
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Gamelan of Central Java
EUCD 1902
track 9 Goa Tabuhan
..music played on stalagtites  

mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:
> http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli
>  
> Has anyone done any music using singing stones?
>  
> peace,
>  
> plish
> www.michaelplishka.com <http://www.michaelplishka.com>
> www.scribbledmusings.com <http://www.scribbledmusings.com>
> http://thecavewall.posterous.com
>  
>  

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> here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded 
> in real time last night.

Hi Fabio,
Good to have you back in the looping world. I'm usually driving 3-4 hours=
 a day in my car, so I have time enough to listen to music, like yours. T=
his is an interesing song...very different from what the usual stuf here.=
 And your podcast contains ome really good tracks. Were these real time r=
ecordings too? 

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Raul Bonell schrieb:
> i get one.

I just got one, love it. Though I have to adapt lots of my patches as 
for a OS X glitch my usual ctlin objects miss values, but I found 
another way to get it in properly.
Can't wait to get my Ondes Memorielles adapted for this box and Max 5.
I ordered as well the nanoKEY, and probably will also jump on the 
nanoPAD. The price range they are sold is exactly what I could afford 
once in a while...

My rig will now fit into hand luggage. That's simply amazing...

Stefan

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Bruce Gilman schrieb:
> If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you 
> using synthesized sounds?

I take what fits and sounds right.
It is completely irrelevant if its a real instrument or synthesized in 
the first place.
In both cases sampling takes away some of the expression potential of an 
instrument. If its synthesized, you might get better results in using a 
synthesizer instead of a sampler, as you can controll the sound with 
Midi. You would also get better results if you can play the 
(acoustic)instrument, or have a friend play it...
But sampling also offers extensions to the original, mainly with 
synthesizer technology or massive layering...

Stefan

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So small! These are interesting controllers for keyboard players too. Is =
anyone using one of these in combination with the LP1? It's USB only, so =
I guess I would need a kind of USB-midi converter or connector, because t=
he LP1 does not have a USB socket.
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Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new
scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on
the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do.

My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi
track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would
select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI
input?

I'd like to rig them up in Bidule. Some years ago I succeeded building
a four channel looper with four instances of AL hosted in Live. I used
MIDI clips in Live to handle some of the control data routing and
found that it was easy to get a similar functionality as with Mobius
or a multi EDP setup. No cuing up of loops of course ("MoreLoops" in
the EDP) since AL doesn't support that (but it would be possible to
work around as people to with SooperLooper and Looperlative 1). BAck
then I also found out that it was not a good idea to use AL due to the
clicking noises that followed when I sent the sequence of commands
that would induce a SUS Replace functionality. But now I'm reading
that Augustus Loop 2.0 is reworked to get rid of those pops and clicks
(dedicated punch-in functionality) so I'd like to give this project a
second try (if I can get my head around OSC and scripting, that is).

Back when I made the prototype i Ableton Live I had to assign new foot
pedal buttons to the same functionality in every instance of Agususts
Loop, and that is not good for live playing because it forces you into
using way too many foot pedals. So this projects sort of depends on
the option to target one instance in particular while keeping the same
foot pedal bank, simply directing it's control function into one of
the loopers (or some of them). Sure, this jack routing of controlling
MIDI input can be done in Bidule, but Bidule is so boring and tedious
to program (maybe that's what makes it powerful?) so if such a
functionality would be possible now thanks to OSC and scripting in 2.0
it would be a great time saver.

I like Augustus Loop because it offers varispeed both playable by MIDI
note steps and continuous with no steps ("scratch like"). It seems 2.0
also has time-stretching (pitch without changing loop length) but I
haven't looked into that yet. There are so much under the hood in 2.0!
Oh... the built-in effect loop seems cool. A send/return effect loop
within the looper! I had that in my Repeater and experimented with
putting stuff there; like my EDP or a reverb. The best box to put into
the R's fx loop was the filterbank and I'm curious what cool sounds
will be possible by AL 2.0 when putting software equivalents of a DJ
filter bank into the looper's fx loop. goddammit, this mail just grows
longer and longer... gotta stop here.

-- 
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In a message dated 12/2/08 3:30:18 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


> There were so many crazy
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> convincing me that life must have been extremely boring in during the
> pre laptop ages.
> 

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Stone windchimes tastefully agitated by Per Boysen
at a sound installation at Lohn a short walk from Mathon (near Chur)
in the Swiss Alps.
>From around the time of the 2005 Zurich Loopfest 

http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/hanging-stones.mp3



andy butler



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> Has anyone done any music using singing stones?
>  
> peace,
>  
> plish
> www.michaelplishka.com <http://www.michaelplishka.com>
> www.scribbledmusings.com <http://www.scribbledmusings.com>
> http://thecavewall.posterous.com
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>  

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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new
> scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on
> the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do.
>
> My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi
> track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would
> select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI
> input?


I may just have found a clue when reading the "multilooper" lua script:
(need to try it out first to be sure though)

requestNoteOn( 76, setupMultiloop )
requestNoteOn( 77, selectPreviousLoop )
requestNoteOn( 78, selectNextLoop )
requestNoteOn( 79, toggleOpenCurrentLoop )
requestNoteOn( 80, toggleFreezeCurrentLoop )
requestNoteOn( 81, clearCurrentLoop )

I guess we users can simply add stuff as we prefer, using this scripting style?

--> Os,
will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper
commands/functions/parameters in LUA?

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.stockholm-athens.com

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I had a chance to visit India in 2006. I made the time to visit two 
ancient cave dwellings/compounds, Ajanta & Ellora (Aurangabad District, 
Maharashtra State). In Ajanta, in one of the caves, a local man was 
trying to earn a few rupees by pointing things out to tourists. At a 
particularly quiet moment when most people were outside of this 
particular cave, I started toning & chanting softly. This Indian man 
then harmonized with me while he chanted in Sanskrit. This lasted for 
awhile. I wished I had been carrying my portable recorder, because the 
sound within the stone cave was amazing. This particular one had a dome 
like a cathedral. I guess I am just going to have to go back & record 
it ;-) After our vocalizations, he pointed out how certain stone 
columns (these are all monolithic structures, carved out of the 
mountain stone, so a "column" is an integral part of the mountain) 
produced different sounds & pitches just when hit with our bare hands. 
It was stunning to me to hear & play these different & beautiful tones 
from these rocks. The ultimate hand percussion instrument...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves

Blessings,

Eduardo Martinez
musician - composer - artist
www.EduardoMartinez.com
www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic
Nashua, NH USA

> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:25 AM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Has anyone done any music using singing stones?
>>
>> peace,
>>
>> plish
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I had a chance to visit India in 2006. I made the time to visit two
ancient cave dwellings/compounds, Ajanta & Ellora (Aurangabad
District, Maharashtra State). In Ajanta, in one of the caves, a local
man was trying to earn a few rupees by pointing things out to
tourists. At a particularly quiet moment when most people were outside
of this particular cave, I started toning & chanting softly. This
Indian man then harmonized with me while he chanted in Sanskrit. This
lasted for awhile. I wished I had been carrying my portable recorder,
because the sound within the stone cave was amazing. This particular
one had a dome like a cathedral. I guess I am just going to have to go
back & record it ;-) After our vocalizations, he pointed out how
certain stone columns (these are all monolithic structures, carved out
of the mountain stone, so a "column" is an integral part of the
mountain) produced different sounds & pitches just when hit with our
bare hands. It was stunning to me to hear & play these different &
beautiful tones from these rocks. The ultimate hand percussion
instrument...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves

<x-tad-smaller>

Blessings,


Eduardo Martinez

musician - composer - artist

www.EduardoMartinez.com

www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic

Nashua, NH USA</x-tad-smaller><x-tad-smaller>

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<excerpt>http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli


Has anyone done any music using singing stones?


peace,


plish</excerpt></excerpt>
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Hello all!,
=A0 I really like this piece too!=A0 The flow/fell=A0is soothing and leaves=
 a person feeling at peace!
=A0
=A0
Peace,
Weg

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater

My Blog URL
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--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo <info@eterogeneo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i
recorded in real time
> last night.
> http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my
> podcast
>
> I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,
> 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are
all
> there....).


Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder".

--=20
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com


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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Hello all!,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; I really like this piece too!&nbsp; The flow/fell&nbsp;is soothing and leaves a person feeling at peace!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Peace,</DIV>
<DIV>Weg<BR><BR>My URL<BR>http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater<BR><BR>My Blog URL<BR>http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen <I>&lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Per Boysen &lt;perboysen@gmail.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded<BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:16 AM<BR><BR><PRE>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo &lt;info@eterogeneo.com&gt; wrote:
&gt; Hi all,
&gt; just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i
recorded in real time
&gt; last night.
&gt; http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my
&gt; podcast
&gt;
&gt; I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,
&gt; 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are
all
&gt; there....).


Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense of wonder".

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com

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> I would like to add another capability: running Mobius inside Ableton
> and using it to overdub guitar parts. I like to do this on Stolen
> Moments by Oliver Nelson. I was playing with it a bit, and it seems
> like when I hit Next Loop, it immediately switches and starts
> recording the next loop rather than waiting till the beginning of the
> next bar. I have Synch Mode set to "Host Beat", and Mobius is properly
> waiting till the beginning of a bar to start recording. The Next Loop
> function, however, does not wait for the next bar. Is there a way to
> get it to do this?

The timing of loop switches is governed by the Switch Quantize
parameter in the Preset dialog under the Switch tab.  Common settings
are Loop, Cycle, and Subcycle.  These switch points are based on even
divisions of the loop and do not necessarily match what the host
thinks the "bar" is.  Usually a bar corresponds to either a Cycle or
Subcycle depending on how the loop was recorded and modified after
recording.  For example, if you're playing 4/4 go to the
Synchronization tab and enter 4 in the Record Beats/Bar parameter.  As
you record Mobius will count beats being sent by the host and generate
a new cycle every 4 beats.  With Switch Quantize set to Cycle you
should switch very close to a host bar.

I'm curious about how this works out.  There is always a slight amount
of drift between Mobius and the host that tends to balance out over
time but at any given cycle you may not be exactly on a host bar.  If
you're early, it will wait a few milliseconds until the bar is reached
which isn't so bad, but if you're late it may wait the remainder of
the bar which is bad.

It would be more reliable to use Time Copy mode to switch the loop and
instantly give it an empty loop the same size as the source loop, and
set Time Copy Mode to Overdub so you're immediately overdubbing.  The
downside is that the copy has to be the same size as the previous
loop, which for building sections is probably not what you want.

Using scripts you can wait for exact host beat/bar boundaries so
that may be better for you, but scripts are relatively complicated
to develop.  If you need to go there let's move the dialog over
to the Mobius Yahoo group.

Regards,
Jeff

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Another excellent example is the 1992 CD release by LILITH entitled  
"Stone". (Sub Rosa ST55). ALL of the "voices" are from stone and  
nothing else.
Stones that were struck, rubbed, smashed, ground etc etc and sampled  
and then the "voices" were transformed into amazing sounds and  
textures etc.
Nice ambient-"primitive" and I will wager bucks there is a good  
amount of some of kind of loopage involved in the over all process.

REVcommended!

All the best,
Rev Fever
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/

On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:37 AM, andy butler wrote:

> Gamelan of Central Java
> EUCD 1902
> track 9 Goa Tabuhan
> ..music played on stalagtites
> mike@michaelplishka.com wrote:
>> http://thecavewall.posterous.com/the-sounds-of-stones-not-rolli
>>  Has anyone done any music using singing stones?
>>  peace,
>>  plish
>> www.michaelplishka.com <http://www.michaelplishka.com>
>> www.scribbledmusings.com <http://www.scribbledmusings.com>
>> http://thecavewall.posterous.com
>>

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Hi loopers,
i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8 mackie mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard and from there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i puse my loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no post proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of  my mixers eqs and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the soundcard before it goes into the speakers.
What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without creating feedback?
my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs:
http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/
thanx for your tips!
Luis



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> What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to
> bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without
> creating feedback? my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the sp=
ecs:
> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/

You might be able to use the "MON SEND" bus as an alternative to alt 3/4.

Turn up Aux Mon on just the instrument channels.  Connect MON SEND to
your sound card.  Aux Mon will now be the faders for the computer mix.

Connect the output of the sound card to a mixer channel with Aux Mon
turned all the way down.  Connect the main outs of the mixer to your
speakers.  Put effects on the computer channel.

What I don't know is if you can apply effects to the MON SEND output,
it may tap in before the effects. =20

You could do something similar with the stereo FX SEND, using it
as a computer mix bus without using the STEREO RETURN.  But=20
page 15 clearly says this does not include internal effects
processing.

Jeff

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Hi people, thanks very much for your feedback.

Dear Sjaak, my podcast mostly contains (my nocturne)
real-time recordings: other are live recordings with monr
editing work.
In the last 2 or 3 years, i've reduced a lot the post
production work (at last, for my own pieces, not when i work
with other musicians) and i tend to put all my energies in
the live playing.

Thanks again. It's really stimulating share comments and
opinions about what we are doing...

Fabio
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> > here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded 
> > in real time last night.
> 
> Hi Fabio,
> Good to have you back in the looping world. I'm usually
> driving 3-4 hours a day in my car, so I have time enough
> to listen to music, like yours. This is an interesing
> song...very different from what the usual stuf here. And
> your podcast contains ome really good tracks. Were these
> real time recordings too? 
> 
> Sjaak
> http://www.livelooping.be/
> http://www.overgaauw.be/
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Thomas Wegmann wrote:
"The flow/fell=a0is soothing and leaves a person feeling at
peace!"

Hey Thomas, I'm happy for the sensation you got.
When i had to give a title to the song, i've tought to this
one: "Who's disturbing peace ?" (it's related to the glitch
sounds you can hear in the middle of the piece, opposed to
the general feel of the song. 
Interesting that you've feel something similar, in some
way....

Thanks
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo
=a0
> =a0
> Peace,
> Weg
> 
> My URL
> http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater
> 
> My Blog URL
> http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: New realtime recording uploaded
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:16 AM
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM, eterogeneo
> > <info@eterogeneo.com> wrote: Hi all,
> > just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i
> recorded in real time
> > last night.
> > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also
> > available on my podcast
> >
> > I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule,
> > 5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing
> (all mistakes are all
> > there....).
> 
> 
> Nice slow motion feel to it! Gives me a bit of "3D sense
> of wonder".
> 
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> www.stockholm-athens.com
> 
> 

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Rick Walker schrieb:
> This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies
> to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and
> unsophisticated oral history approach that I use telling it but it is
> at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version.

Oral story approach is much better than the "truth". We love the stories
for their meaning. If you add your own perspective to it, your students
will grab the essence of it much better anyway. (First time I heard of
that story btw., no idea about the original)

> Amazingly and consistently,   the artwork from Camp TWO (constant
> output with our without inspiration)  was judged to be 'better art'
> than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant
> output).

That is what I would expect. I would ask the students what they'd expect
as a result. I wonder how young people, without their own experience of
what training can do, would look at it...

One misconception is often that you think inspiration is coming out of
nothing and you don't have to be forced to anything to grab it. But
that's not true, there is no contradiction of being forced to do
something (work in a completely different field to earn your living for
example) and getting inspired. Whatever life throws you in, is the
source of all the inspiration one can have including practice...

In my own experience I must say, deadlines help - definitely. If you 
don't have any you have to invent them. Its hard, I am not good at it. 
If ist coming from out side I happily accept it. It will drive me into 
stress, but after all is done I feel much better...

Only if there is no time left at all to do your art, there will be a 
problem...

Stefan

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I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius foot
controllers, more specifically the Little Giant:

* General experience
* Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't
hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when
performing with Mot=F6rhead)
* can it be powered via USB?

Thanks,

         Rainer

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Yes Rick i remeber you playing that beautiful little instrument at my place man i want one too!
very nice piece Per
cheers

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
> Subject: Toy Music Box    was:  new piece uploaded for sharing
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:37 AM
> This piece is just magic,  Per,   one of my favorites of all
> the music I've 
> heard (which says a lot, because I love your music).
> I love the mixture of the composition played in real time
> and then the 
> recontextualization of many of the sounds.   I'm amazed
> that you came up 
> with such an amazing bass drum sound using the music
> box.............any 
> hints about what magic you created in your sound design for
> that one?
> 
> As far as that goes,  I'd love to hear your description
> of how you created 
> this marvelous piece of music.   It's just
> beautiful...........just the 
> right balance of melodic composition, randomness and
> generated sound.
> 
> It also makes me realize that I've composed my UR toy
> music box recording 
> but have yet to actually punch the paper yet.   I devised a
> way to compose 
> for the toy music box (under $15 USD) using Fruity Loops FL
> Studio Producers 
> Edition ($150) and my MacBook Pro running Win XP ($3,000
> USD).
> 
> This is what my wife lovingly refers to as UMAD recording, 
> or an Unholy Mixture of Analogue and Digital.
> 
> Anyone else interested in this delightful composeable toy
> music box can 
> write to me and I'll show you where to buy one.
> 
> I gave several away to composers I admire in an attempt to
> create a new 
> project for the CT-Collective but I"ve been so busy
> with touring, performing 
> and the loop festivals that I haven't had a chance to
> follow through.
> 
> Perhaps in 2009.
> 
> I can be reached at looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com


      

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Bill Walker was using one at the Y2K8,to my surprise the screen was smaller=
 than i thought!I recall Bill saying that he was initially lost with it but=
 other than that a very powerful controller.I didnt think the clikcing was =
an issue at all after seeing him play

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Gordius foot controller user experiences
> To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 2:43 PM
> I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius
> foot
> controllers, more specifically the Little Giant:
>=20
> * General experience
> * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1
> (you won't
> hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it
> even when
> performing with Mot=F6rhead)
> * can it be powered via USB?
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
>          Rainer=0A=0A=0A      

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As far as conga samples goes this is it

http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=1256

it dont get better than that!

Luis


> In seeking for a sample library claiming to replicate an
> instrument
> such as conga (with all the little nuances, slides, mutes
> etc. perhaps
> the more expensive the better.
> If i client wants "real" instruments but is not
> perared to pay them
> (as in the case of the orchestra) the next level would be
> the most
> sophisticated sample library of whatever instruments you
> desire to
> compose with.
> 
> In my case, that would be percussion (I now know why there
> so few
> percussionist/drummer live loopers respectively)
> 
> Ill repeat the question i asked earlier.
>  If one is looking for a sample library with the most
> "authenticity"/"realness" in sound,
> what library pack would you
> recommend for your respective instruments (to open it up,
> but
> percussionists?). or what company is in the lead-quality
> wise.
> 
> 
> 
> Respect
> Byron


      

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maravillosos Fabio!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Mon, 12/1/08, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:

> From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>
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> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:31 AM
> Quoting eterogeneo <info@eterogeneo.com>:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > just to share - here's a "fresh" new
> improvvisation i recorded in  real time last night.
> > http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3  
> also available on  my podcast
> > 
> Fabio,
> 
> Great work.  Enjoyed listening to this.
> 
> My best time to listen to music is here at the office and
> when they are "audio only" files that makes things
> quite easy  --  I can't watch video and work at the same
> time and I don't want the LAN guys to get on my case for
> using too much bandwidth.  :)
> 
> -- Kevin


      

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Greetings fellow loopers and Happy Holidays to all...
 
I've revamped my tired, old MySpace page and have uploaded two (relatively
speaking...) new tunes. 
 
Both tunes were/are an experiment as to how delicate and "pad like" I can
get my Ebow to sound without being overbearing. The songs are titled
"Gratitude" and "Simplicit", and involve my typical use of delay, reverb,
volume pedals and the like. No synths were employed in creating this music.
FWIW...I've not gone "laptop" yet, and prolly won't because I like the
warmth of my old-school floor pedals and rack.
 
As always, critique and commentary are graciously welcomed. It is, after all
one big, continuous learning curve, eh?
 
Thanks for listening,
 
Ed in NJ
http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas
 
 

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I will be buying a nanopad soon since it sounds like it's as great as
it looks. can anyone tell me how big each pad/button is? I really
prefer tapping drum rhythms out that way.

I'm assuming this will work flawlessly controlling the sampled drum in
ableton live and redrum in reason?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
> So small! These are interesting controllers for keyboard players too. Is anyone using one of these in combination with the LP1? It's USB only, so I guess I would need a kind of USB-midi converter or connector, because the LP1 does not have a USB socket.
> ---
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> --> Os,
> will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper
> commands/functions/parameters in LUA?

There's 7 pages on this in the manual, starting at page 56.

> My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi
> track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would
> select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI
> input?

Depending on exactly what you mean, that's pretty much what the
multilooper example does. It lets you select the 'current' loop with
an up/down pair of messages, and then the other messages are routed to
the current loop.

If on the other hand you wanted to just use the MIDI channel to direct
messages to a specific looper, you could do that too (e.g. use the OSC
port offset as the MIDI channel id and compare the values in the
script) but not in Live, since Live passes all MIDI messages in to
plug-ins on channel 1, regardless of what channel they were sent on.
(I don't know why.)


cheers,
os.



2008/12/2 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone have had the time to look into the new
>> scripting option with Agustus Loop 2.0? There are some free scripts on
>> the Expert Sleepers web site but not for what I'd like to do.
>>
>> My question is if it would be possible to write a script, for a multi
>> track set up containing several instances of the looper, that would
>> select which one of the instances that will react on a given MIDI
>> input?
>
>
> I may just have found a clue when reading the "multilooper" lua script:
> (need to try it out first to be sure though)
>
> requestNoteOn( 76, setupMultiloop )
> requestNoteOn( 77, selectPreviousLoop )
> requestNoteOn( 78, selectNextLoop )
> requestNoteOn( 79, toggleOpenCurrentLoop )
> requestNoteOn( 80, toggleFreezeCurrentLoop )
> requestNoteOn( 81, clearCurrentLoop )
>
> I guess we users can simply add stuff as we prefer, using this scripting style?
>
> --> Os,
> will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper
> commands/functions/parameters in LUA?
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> www.stockholm-athens.com
>
>



-- 
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http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
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Rainer Straschill wrote:
> I'd like to ask for user experiences with the Gordius foot
> controllers, more specifically the Little Giant:
> 
> * General experience

1) It's simply the most powerful Midi controller you'll ever find.
   With loop-specific capabilities being added as I type. 
2) Setup is not difficult, but does need manual reading.
3) Much more transportable than the fcb1010
4) CC from pedals is very smooth.
5) Support is excellent.
6) Well built.
7) Very low latency, faster than fcb1010 

Xavier is very attentive to his customers,
and responds very quickly to sensible feature requests.
(also responds quickly to non-sensible requests on occasion )



> * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't
> hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when
> performing with Motörhead)

Perfect, 2 scenarios that would never need midi.

If you press slowly, it's silent.
If you press quick enough for rhythmically accurate looping then
it's audible, particularly the release of the switch.
In volume, it's slightly louder than the tap on the EH Stereo Memory Man,
but not as loud as the Bypass.


> * can it be powered via USB?

no,
not possible with the high brightness screen

> 
> Thanks,
welcome

andy butler
> 
>          Rainer
> 
> 

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I remember the great comedic writer douglas adams saying something
like..."I love the sound of deadlines, that WHOOOSH as they go by.

I came to realise that when it comes to deadlines, this aspect of
myself kicks into full gear :
http://www.amazon.com/Procrastination-Task-Avoidance-Treatment-Psychology/d=
p/0306448424

Only later did i find out that its a classified disorder hehe.

The solution (or part of) which is most amusing and one which  have
been practicing in a slow painfull way is here.

http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/

He kind of recomends a procrastination loop, wheeby you fuel your
creativity by avoiding the task you percieve most inportant buy
putting a  lot of effort into other "lessinportant but actually prety
inportant tasks"

In attempting to write a long essay for instance i would sort of
bounce around from chapter to chapter. When the deadline for one
chapter was looming, inspiration and ideas came pouring in for the
other chapters. I End up experiencing the WHOOOSH but lots of tuff
happens in the perceived stress of the deadline.

It became apparent that my brother operated in much the same manner
and during his college years, in  pure avoidence of studying for
finals he wrote his best music and perfected some of the most intense
juggling moves. But...since he has been out the deadlines arnt there
to fuel the "Family procrastination" and his musical output along with
juggling tricks have kinda evened out.
Its all good tho, we gota just relax into life sometimes, but its very
interesting.





On 12/2/08, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rick Walker schrieb:
>
> > This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies
> > to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and
> > unsophisticated oral history approach that I use telling it but it is
> > at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version.
> >
>
>  Oral story approach is much better than the "truth". We love the stories
>  for their meaning. If you add your own perspective to it, your students
>  will grab the essence of it much better anyway. (First time I heard of
>  that story btw., no idea about the original)
>
>
> > Amazingly and consistently,   the artwork from Camp TWO (constant
> > output with our without inspiration)  was judged to be 'better art'
> > than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant
> > output).
> >
>
>  That is what I would expect. I would ask the students what they'd expect
>  as a result. I wonder how young people, without their own experience of
>  what training can do, would look at it...
>
>  One misconception is often that you think inspiration is coming out of
>  nothing and you don't have to be forced to anything to grab it. But
>  that's not true, there is no contradiction of being forced to do
>  something (work in a completely different field to earn your living for
>  example) and getting inspired. Whatever life throws you in, is the
>  source of all the inspiration one can have including practice...
>
>  In my own experience I must say, deadlines help - definitely. If you don=
't
> have any you have to invent them. Its hard, I am not good at it. If ist
> coming from out side I happily accept it. It will drive me into stress, b=
ut
> after all is done I feel much better...
>
>  Only if there is no time left at all to do your art, there will be a
> problem...
>
>  Stefan
>
>  --
>  Les Ondes M=E9morielles----x-------
>  --_____-----------|--------------
>  --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
>  -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
>  ----------()----------TJ Shredder
>
>

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fantastic. Thanx.



On 12/3/08, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As far as conga samples goes this is it
>
>  http://www.esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=1256
>
>  it dont get better than that!
>
>  Luis
>
>
>  > In seeking for a sample library claiming to replicate an
>  > instrument
>  > such as conga (with all the little nuances, slides, mutes
>  > etc. perhaps
>  > the more expensive the better.
>  > If i client wants "real" instruments but is not
>  > perared to pay them
>  > (as in the case of the orchestra) the next level would be
>  > the most
>  > sophisticated sample library of whatever instruments you
>  > desire to
>  > compose with.
>  >
>  > In my case, that would be percussion (I now know why there
>  > so few
>  > percussionist/drummer live loopers respectively)
>  >
>  > Ill repeat the question i asked earlier.
>  >  If one is looking for a sample library with the most
>  > "authenticity"/"realness" in sound,
>  > what library pack would you
>  > recommend for your respective instruments (to open it up,
>  > but
>  > percussionists?). or what company is in the lead-quality
>  > wise.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Respect
>  > Byron
>
>
>
>
>

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>> --> Os,
>> will there be a listing published of how to write the Augustus Looper
>> commands/functions/parameters in LUA?
>
> There's 7 pages on this in the manual, starting at page 56.


Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the
looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an
example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply
"Feedback" in my script? The Scripting is well explained by the
manual, but not all the other commands of Augustust Loop that doesn't
happen to be used in some example script. Below are two examples of
function that I wasn't able to target by modifying the "multilooper"
script:


--> example 1:
local paramID_ReverseLoop 	= getParameterID( "Reverse Loop" )

--
local function toggleReverseCurrentLoop( channel, noteNumber, velocity )
	local v = getOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_ReverseLoop )
	setOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_ReverseLoop, 1-v )
end

requestNoteOn( 5, toggleReverseCurrentLoop )


---> example 2:
local paramID_MasterFeedback 	= getParameterID( "Master Feedback" )

--
local function handleMasterFeedback( channel, cc, value )
	local v = getOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_MasterFeedback )
	setOthersParameter( currentLoop, paramID_MasterFeedback )
end

requestCC( 12, handleMasterFeedback )
__________________________________


None of these worked, so I must have made a mistake?



> If on the other hand you wanted to just use the MIDI channel to direct
> messages to a specific looper, you could do that too (e.g. use the OSC
> port offset as the MIDI channel id and compare the values in the
> script)

YES! Very smart! But I can hear that it means some six hours for me to
find out about how to do that in praxis and it has to wait. (I don't
even know where to look for the "OSC port number". I saw something
that defaulted to 7000 but everything worked fine when I changed it to
"1" so I didn't notice what it did. The fastest way to learn something
like this, I think, is to fiddle around; change one thing to see what
happens etc. The manual is good but I'm worried about what isn't there
and that I don't even know about ;-)


> but not in Live, since Live passes all MIDI messages in to
> plug-ins on channel 1, regardless of what channel they were sent on.
> (I don't know why.)

Wow, I didn't know about that! Weird. Doesn't make any sense. Maybe
that odd behavior can be used for something... when you know about it?
I stopped using Live long ago, but for other reasons.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Concerning features, I never had any doubts.

But this is the critical part: 
> > * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't
> > hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when
> > performing with Motörhead)

Can you give a precise estimation (1-10)?

I don't know th EH Stereo Memory Man. 
I just once had the EH Fooswitch (Nano Switchblade): http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ElectroHarmonix-Nano-Switchblade-Channel-Switcher-?sku=150091
I have traded it with a Boss Pedal because the EH was too loud: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-AB2-2Way-Selector-Pedal?sku=151306

So, what is a realistic estimation - more like the EH or Boss switch?

best regards
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Buzap Buzap wrote:
> Concerning features, I never had any doubts.
> 
> But this is the critical part: 
>>> * Button click noise: how does it range on a scale from 1 (you won't
>>> hear it even when performing 4:33) to 10 (you'd hear it even when
>>> performing with Motörhead)
> 
> Can you give a precise estimation (1-10)?

with sensible examples I might :-)


> 
> I don't know th EH Stereo Memory Man. 

Rainer has one tho'

> I just once had the EH Fooswitch (Nano Switchblade): http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ElectroHarmonix-Nano-Switchblade-Channel-Switcher-?sku=150091
> I have traded it with a Boss Pedal because the EH was too loud: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-AB2-2Way-Selector-Pedal?sku=151306
> 
> So, what is a realistic estimation - more like the EH or Boss switch?

i don't have either of those


Gordius is slightly louder than fcb1010 when doing rhythmically accurate presses.
...but can be used with less force, so could be quieter.


> 
> best regards
> Buzap

andy
> 
> 

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Yeah, this problem sounds familiar. In general, with your Mackie+Presonus setup, (as mentioned earlier) you really have limited routing possibilities...

In any way, even if you get something like Jeff's recommendation to work, you should be very careful with feedback. I used to play around with routing on my small Soundcraft Compact mixer: just press the wrong combination of Playback/Record/Monitor routing - and you get bad bad feedback...

You might want to consider some software fx as an alternative?

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> Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the
> looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an
> example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply
> "Feedback" in my script?

Those strings are just the parameter names - the same names that
appear in the top right of the AL GUI when you move the mouse over a
control, and again the same names as are displayed in the default host
UI of e.g. Live or whatever.

So in this case it would be "Master feedback".


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>> Yes, but didn't mean that. I meant that there is no listing what the
>> looper's commands has to look like when phrased in Lua. As for an
>> example: should I write "Master Feedback", "MasterFeedback" or simply
>> "Feedback" in my script?

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Those strings are just the parameter names - the same names that
> appear in the top right of the AL GUI when you move the mouse over a
> control, and again the same names as are displayed in the default host
> UI of e.g. Live or whatever.


Os, you just said the Magic Word!
Can't understand I didn't think about that.
Thanks!

Per

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Hi Buzap,
i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going to ask if i could rou=
te the soundcard with mobius through a software reverb efx plugin or someth=
ing instead of returning it back to my hardware mixer to get that post reve=
rb,how could this be done?
But isnt there a soundcard outhere that has all its individual outs to a si=
mple integrated software mixer with 3 band eq and simple reverb effects out=
here? hard to believe,i remember one of the first soundcard that came out w=
ith a breakbox i think it was called Aardvark had that.I was thinking that =
maybe the RME FW400 could be a solution to exclude a hardware mixer alltoge=
ther because you can route assign all its outs to a specific port (unlike t=
he firebox) which mobius requires,but then i am back to the problem of not =
having eqs and reverb on its software mixer to fine tune my acoustic guitar=
 and other acoustic instruments.
So basically what id like is: having all my instruments plugged in to the i=
nputs of a soundcard,then eq and add a bit of reverb to every instrument in=
dependently then loop them with mobius and have a bit of post reverb to hav=
e a little bit of natural trail so when i pause or stop loops it doesnt sou=
nd so dry,isnt this possible??
after looping with mobius i am going to find it very hard to go back to my =
mono EDP plugged to my sends of my hardware mixer,please tell me there is a=
 solution!!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom






--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> From: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 4:22 AM
> Yeah, this problem sounds familiar. In general, with your
> Mackie+Presonus setup, (as mentioned earlier) you really
> have limited routing possibilities...
>=20
> In any way, even if you get something like Jeff's
> recommendation to work, you should be very careful with
> feedback. I used to play around with routing on my small
> Soundcraft Compact mixer: just press the wrong combination
> of Playback/Record/Monitor routing - and you get bad bad
> feedback...
>=20
> You might want to consider some software fx as an
> alternative?
>=20
> Best regards
> Buzap
>=20
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Thanx Jeff but this isnt a good solution,first of all it is noisy then i have to have the individual channels muted when i am using the monitor send, otherwise i get that metallic oscilating feedback sound.
Please see my other post on this thread i am really hoping to find a solution for this i am in love with mobius and will find it hard to go back to my mono EDP!!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
> Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:49 AM
> > What would be the most effective way to route this,is
> it possible to
> > bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the
> mixer without
> > creating feedback? my mixer does not have alt 3/4
> outs,but here is the specs:
> > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/
> 
> You might be able to use the "MON SEND" bus as an
> alternative to alt 3/4.
> 
> Turn up Aux Mon on just the instrument channels.  Connect
> MON SEND to
> your sound card.  Aux Mon will now be the faders for the
> computer mix.
> 
> Connect the output of the sound card to a mixer channel
> with Aux Mon
> turned all the way down.  Connect the main outs of the
> mixer to your
> speakers.  Put effects on the computer channel.
> 
> What I don't know is if you can apply effects to the
> MON SEND output,
> it may tap in before the effects.  
> 
> You could do something similar with the stereo FX SEND,
> using it
> as a computer mix bus without using the STEREO RETURN.  But
> 
> page 15 clearly says this does not include internal effects
> processing.
> 
> Jeff


      

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Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want you would need to =20
configure your looper (in this case, your laptop/Mobius system) as a =20
SEND EFFECT.

The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends.

Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send is already tied =20
up, so that leaves the MON send.

For your return (I assume you want a stereo return) use either your =20
9/10 or 11/12 strip.  This will allow you to send your laptop's output =20
to the FX buss.  Be sure that your MON send is turned down -- else you =20
will get feedback.  Also, make sure that the FX to MON pot is turned =20
down else you'll get feedback.

Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to return send effects.  =20
Also, the ST return can be used as two additional mixer inputs =20
(although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning, or sends).

The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers.

Hope this helps :)

-- Kevin

Thus, you would hook


Quoting "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:

> Hi loopers,
> i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8 mackie =20
>  mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard and from  =20
> there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre out straight =20
>  into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except when i puse my =20
>  loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there is no post  =20
> proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of  my mixers eqs =20
>  and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the soundcard before =20
> it  goes into the speakers.
> What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible to =20
>  bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer without  =20
> creating feedback?
> my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs:
> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/
> thanx for your tips!
> Luis
>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>



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Forgot to mention:

Make sure the button on the "Stereo Graphic EQ" strip is in the "UP" =20
(Main Mix) position.

Also, on the FX section, make sure the FX to MON pot is all the way to =20
the left.

The bottom line: make sure all of your MON send pots are all the way =20
to the left except for the strips that you want to send to your laptop =20
looper.

-- Kevin

Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:

> Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want you would need to
> configure your looper (in this case, your laptop/Mobius system) as a
> SEND EFFECT.
>
> The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends.
>
> Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send is already tied
> up, so that leaves the MON send.
>
> For your return (I assume you want a stereo return) use either your
> 9/10 or 11/12 strip.  This will allow you to send your laptop's output
> to the FX buss.  Be sure that your MON send is turned down -- else you
> will get feedback.  Also, make sure that the FX to MON pot is turned
> down else you'll get feedback.
>
> Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to return send effects.
> Also, the ST return can be used as two additional mixer inputs
> (although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning, or sends).
>
> The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers.
>
> Hope this helps :)
>
> -- Kevin
>
> Thus, you would hook
>
>
> Quoting "L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>
>> Hi loopers,
>> i have different instruments plugged in to my compact pro fx8  =20
>> mackie  mixer then i go stereo out of the mixer into my soundcard  =20
>> and from  there straight into the speakers.My soundcards fireiwre  =20
>> out straight  into my macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except  =20
>> when i puse my  loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there  =20
>> is no post  proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of   =20
>> my mixers eqs  and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of the  =20
>> soundcard before it  goes into the speakers.
>> What would be the most effective way to route this,is it possible  =20
>> to  bring back the outs of the soundcard back into the mixer  =20
>> without  creating feedback?
>> my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is the specs:
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/
>> thanx for your tips!
>> Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>



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Doesn't sound like noise to me, Nice work Per. You reminded me to get off my
ass and  start creating my first music box piece. The first attempt I wasn't
wearing my glasses and I punched holes in some pretty weird places. What is
cool about this piece is the way you evolved it through creative processing
and editing. Id you mount the music box to a resonant chamber?
Bill

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I love this Fabio, I can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother.

Bill

 

  _____  

From: eterogeneo [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:15 AM
To: ambient@hyperreal.org; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New realtime recording uploaded 

 

Hi all, 

just to share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time
last night.

http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3   also available on my
podcast
<http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=217423588>


 

I used Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, 

5 VST effect plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all
there....).

 

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www.eterogeneo.com

www.myspace.com/eterogeneo

 

 

 


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> if i could route the soundcard with mobius through
> a software reverb efx plugin or something instead
> of returning it back to my hardware mixer

This would be the simplest solution but you need to use the VST
version of Mobius.  Using a host like Bidule, route the sound card
input into Mobius, route Mobius into the reverb plugin of your choice,
then route the reverb to the sound card output.  I'm finishing
up testing the Mac VST, it should be ready in about a week.

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Hi

Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica.  There are short clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like: http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html

Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only:
http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/

I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire guitar and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allows each string to have its own effects etc...  It's worth a look if you haven't seen it. 

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFire/Technology.aspx



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Luis,

> But isnt there a soundcard outhere that has all its individual outs to a simple integrated software mixer with 3 band eq and simple reverb effects outhere?

one solution (if you for whatever reason decide not to use a software
reverb/compression/EQ solution) might be the TC Konnekt24D.

It has four inputs (two of them with micpres) and outputs each, plus a
pair of ADAT I/O for expandability, plus two (mono) channel strips of
fullrange or multiband compression and EQ (Finalizer IP) and one
Reverb send effect (M6000 IP). So this will only work with a maximum
of four (mono) input channels, of which only two get dynamics/EQ.

I'm somewhat surprised about your comment about the firebox - using
the ASIO drivers, I could always address the outputs individually from
my host application (although I've never tried that with Mobius, but
it sure works with Live).

             Rainer

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I just bought a NanoKontrol and NanoKey.  As expected they work fine
with Mobius, but the lighted buttons on the NanoKontrol can't be
controlled by Mobius.  The button lights are used when the button is
configured in toggle mode, it lights up when "down" (sends note on or
CC > 0) and turns off when "up" (sends note off or CC 0).

I like the Kontrol a lot.  It has four "scenes" which are patches
of assignments for all the knobs and switches.  Typical Mobius use
would be:

  Scene 1
    sliders - track output levels
    knobs - track pan
    button 1 - focus lock
    button 2 - mute
  Scene 2
    sliders - feedback
    knobs - alt feedback
    button 1 - reset

Most of the things I would do with the transport buttons I would
want on a footswitch, but some possibilities are:

  Rewind - Prev Loop
  Forward - Next Loop
  Stop - Reset
  Play - Play
  Record - Overdub

The NanoKey is kind of cheesy, but hey it's $50.  The keys are similar
to those on a laptop with a very short range of movement.  They wiggle
a bit and look like they would pop off if you stuck a toothpick under
them.  They are velocity sensitive but not very expressive.  You can
pick three sensitivity curves.  It's fine for triggering loops or
setting pitch/speed shifts in Mobius, but you're not going to be
playing any Rachmaninov on it.

You can set the keys to transmit notes or control changes.  There are
"pitch up" and "pitch down" buttons that will simulate the action of a
pitch bend control.  Pitch change messages are sent over a programmable
range at a programmable rate as long as you hold down the button.  They
worked surprisingly well for little scoops and doits.

You can program the NanoKey to send on any MIDI channel, but there are no
patches so it can only send on that one channel until you reprogram
it.  This would be a limitation if you had several synth plugins that
receive on different channels, but again if you're playing synths this
is probably not for you.

Both the Key and Kontrol are programmed with KorgKontrol software you
have to download from the Korg web site.  It's easy to use.

The combination of the Key and Kontrol do just about everything I was
doing with a Novation Remote 25 in a MUCH smaller package.  I mostly love
them but really wish the NanoKey had "scenes" like the Kontrol so you could
switch channels on the fly.

Jeff

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Howdy,

One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts (e=
xactly) for one reason or another is:

C,G,D,G,B,D

Or raise it a half step:

C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D#

I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on=
 the bottom.

There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6 st=
rings like mine but differ by just one string.

I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string=
 and the 5th string.

That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed varia=
nt thereof).

Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Ted


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e intends to eat until he eats them. =E2=80=93 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

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---- Kelly Industrys <k_indust@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
> Hi
>=20
> Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of band=
s and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica.  There are short c=
lips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like:=
 http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html
>=20
> Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only:
> http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/
>=20
> I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire guita=
r and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also al=
lows each string to have its own effects etc...  It's worth a look if you h=
aven't seen it.=20
>=20
> http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Dark=
Fire/Technology.aspx
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> http://www.kellyindustries.com/
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My favourite tuning is to line-up=A0all the pegs in a straight line, parall=
el to the headstock.
=A0
Not sure why but it usually sounds better than having all the pegs go perpi=
ndicular...

;-)
=A0
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ted.
Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

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From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings
To: k_indust@yahoo.com
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 11:11 AM

Howdy,

One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts
(exactly) for one reason or another is:

C,G,D,G,B,D

Or raise it a half step:

C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D#

I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on
the bottom.

There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6
strings like mine but differ by just one string.

I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string
and the 5th string.

That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed
variant thereof).

Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Ted


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tEd =AE kiLLiAn

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http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes

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> Hi
>=20
> Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of
bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica.  There are sho=
rt
clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like=
:
http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html
>=20
> Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only:
> http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/
>=20
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r
and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allo=
ws
each string to have its own effects etc...  It's worth a look if you
haven't seen it.=20
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http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFi=
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>My favourite tuning is to line-up&nbsp;a=
ll the pegs in a straight line, parallel to the headstock.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Not sure why but it usually sounds better than having all the pegs go =
perpindicular...<BR></DIV>
<DIV>;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>ted.<BR>Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog<BR><BR>---=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid">From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn &lt;tedkillian@charter.net&gt;<=
BR>Subject: (OT) Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings<BR>To: k_indust@yahoo.com<BR>=
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, December 3, 200=
8, 11:11 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Howdy,

One tuning that I use ALL OF THE TIME . . . and seldom see on any charts
(exactly) for one reason or another is:

C,G,D,G,B,D

Or raise it a half step:

C#,G#,D#,G#,C,D#

I's just like open G (or open G# if raised a half step) but with a Sus 4 on
the bottom.

There are a lot of tunings on those charts that will have 5 out of the 6
strings like mine but differ by just one string.

I love the ready dissonance that's always available between the bass string
and the 5th string.

That's what I've used for about a dozen years now (or some transposed
variant thereof).

Just thought I'd pipe in with my 2 cents.

Cheers,

Ted


--
tEd =AE kiLLiAn

Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims h=
e
intends to eat until he eats them. =96 Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902)

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes

---- Kelly Industrys &lt;k_indust@yahoo.com&gt; wrote:=20
&gt; Hi
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&gt; Here's an interesting list Alternate Guitar Tunings from a number of
bands and musicians ranging from joni mitchell to metallica.  There are sho=
rt
clips of the songs so you get to hear what the alternate tuning sounds like=
:
http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/story2.html
&gt;=20
&gt; Here's a larger list of guitar tunings only:
&gt; http://www.howtotuneaguitar.org/tuning/alternate-guitar-tuning-chart/
&gt;=20
&gt; I was reading about the new and somewhat expensive gibson dark fire gu=
itar
and found that it does alternate tunings as well as self tune. It also allo=
ws
each string to have its own effects etc...  It's worth a look if you
haven't seen it.=20
&gt;=20
&gt;
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/DarkFi=
re/Technology.aspx
&gt;=20
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&gt; http://www.kellyindustries.com/
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Excellent link with sound examples!

My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C:
C G D G A D

So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom.
In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom.

Eric Turnbull uses another LowC Tuning (C G D D#A#D#) in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRahpP5WP68
Check it out, great solo guitar tune.

But _you_guys_ are the guitar players, anyway ;-)

best regards

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If anyone's is in the mood for listening I just posted a looping heavy
song here:

http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550


>"The Yogi and the Commissar"
>
> About the song:
> I wanted to give my three sexiest instruments three minutes to make out on the web.
> They took three fifty three.
>
> Equipment:
> Alto Flute, Tenor Sax, Stratocaster Electric Guitar,
> Electric Wind Controller (EWI 9000s),
> Mobius looping software,
> Logic Pro recording software.

I had a problem finding a proper style tag and finally settled for "jazz".

Per

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Hi Luis

> i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going to ask if i could
> route the soundcard with mobius through a software reverb efx plugin or
> something instead of returning it back to my hardware mixer to get that post
> reverb,how could this be done?
Well, I'm still stomping on my RC-50, mostly. So, I guess other people can give you more hints on the software side (let me guess: i.e. someone could suggest Bidule+free VST plugins on Windows or MainStage on Mac / while someone else  also would mention that you might as well build whatever you need with MAX/MSP... ;-)

Have you actually also considered the Motu Ultralite Mk3 as Firewire alternative? For 550,- EUR you get ca. 10 in/outs with built-in hardware Reverbs, EQ and Compression. You should give it a look!
http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3

best regards & good luck in the software world
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In the time ca. "SAUBER! - Das Geheimnis der Geschwindigkeit" (2001)
'til "Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg" (2004), I used a (bass) guitar
(Tune Gap 6) tuned a-e-b-f#-d-a (the upper a being below a normal
guitar's b string). This basically is a guitar tuning with inverted
intervals (fifths instead of fours and minor 6th instead of major
3rd), and expands the range of the instrument by one octave.

I did a similair inverted lute tuning on my B2AF (bass paddle
fretless), tuning it d-a-f-c.

A word of caution, though: on instruments with a very acoustically
conductive body/neck (like it is the case with the Tune), the stronger
coupling with 5th compared to 4ths leads to stronger resonances
between the strings - a workaround is the use of per-string
processing.

As for bass guitar tunings with looping content, be sure to check out
http://www.manthing.com/tunings.htm

                  Rainer

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> 
> C,G,D,G,B,D
> 

Yeah, like that also. I like it as G minor, too: C G D G Bb D

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crazy name...  ;-)
How did you perform the percussive sounds? Via midi keyboard & samples?
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On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> crazy name...  ;-)
> How did you perform the percussive sounds? Via midi keyboard & samples?
> Buzap
>

Great that you asked, because I just remembered this recent discussion
here regarding "synthetic" versus "sampled" sound. This percussion is
a bunch of sampled sounds. I simply penned the rhythm patterns
directly on the screen, using the mouse. Reworked some old beats I
found as MIDI sequences and made them fit in with the played and
looped instruments.

Great drum samples, isn't it! The sampler is Logic's Ultrabeat. It
seems sounds come out exceptionally punchy and crisp from UltraBeat.
But here I couldn't mix the percussion louder because of the other
melodic instruments battling all over, so the drums and gongs doesn't
really come out to its fullest flavor.

Per

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Listening right now.  Beautiful.  Captures my current overworked,  tired mood 
completely.
 
Peace,
 
Harry  Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th  Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908  

 
In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:02:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
billwalker@baymoon.com writes:

 
I love this Fabio, I  can feel the melancholy. I feel you brother. 
Bill 
 
  
____________________________________
 
From:  eterogeneo  [mailto:info@eterogeneo.com]  
Sent: Monday, December 01,  2008 6:15 AM
To:  ambient@hyperreal.org;  Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: New realtime recording uploaded  
 
Hi all,  
 
just to  share - here's a "fresh" new improvvisation i recorded in real time 
last  night.
 
_http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3_ 
(http://www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Weightless.mp3)    also  available on my _podcast_ 
(http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=217423588) 
 

 
I used  Mobius running as a VST inside Bidule, 
 
5 VST effect  plugins and my piano and no final editing (all mistakes are all 
 there....).
 

 
Greetings
 

 
Fabio
 
_www.eterogeneo.com_ (http://www.eterogeneo.com/) 
 
_www.myspace.com/eterogeneo_ (http://www.myspace.com/eterogeneo) 
 

 

 





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C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.  It seems to pop up in
many interviews in the last few years.

TH

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

>
> Excellent link with sound examples!
>
> My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C:
> C G D G A D
>
> So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom.
> In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because
> it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom.
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C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.&nbsp; It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years.<br><br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
Excellent link with sound examples!<br>
<br>
My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is Low C:<br>
C G D G A D<br>
<br>
So, it&#39;s like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the bottom.<br>
In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite starting point because it gives you both fifths (C5, G5) at the bottom.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>

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yes, this is the problem i am using a Mac and unable to use it as a VST.
looking forward to it Jeff!

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> From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
> Subject: RE: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing
> To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:09 AM
> > if i could route the soundcard with mobius through
> > a software reverb efx plugin or something instead
> > of returning it back to my hardware mixer
> 
> This would be the simplest solution but you need to use the
> VST
> version of Mobius.  Using a host like Bidule, route the
> sound card
> input into Mobius, route Mobius into the reverb plugin of
> your choice,
> then route the reverb to the sound card output.  I'm
> finishing
> up testing the Mac VST, it should be ready in about a week.
> 
> Jeff


      

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Yes, the problem is not only the firebox but mobius which is only able to sum up all outputs into a single stereo port,in other words i cannot connect all instruments into the soundcard and record with them in any track i want.Which means if my mic is plugged into input 1 the it will only get recorded into tracks 1 and 2 of mobius but not the rest.The RME however can be configured to asign all outputs to one port so that way i could connect all instruments straight into the soundcard and record into any track in mobius(like a patchbay),but like i said i still need the eqs,reverb etc.if i wanted to go purely software.Which left me no other option but to go into my mackie mixer first and then take its stereo outputs into the soundcard and then out to the speakers.
Luis

> 
> I'm somewhat surprised about your comment about the
> firebox - using
> the ASIO drivers, I could always address the outputs
> individually from
> my host application (although I've never tried that
> with Mobius, but
> it sure works with Live).
> 
>              Rainer


      

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shit man looks like this is it!!!!
any comments on it,reviews?how good are the drivers?latency with mobius? ef=
x quality? easy use?could its software mixer be controlled by a midi contro=
ller like the behringer BCR2000?is there a manual to download?
wow man thanx for the tip!!!!

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--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> From: Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 1:35 PM
> Hi Luis
>=20
> > i am glad you jumped on this subject,i was just going
> to ask if i could
> > route the soundcard with mobius through a software
> reverb efx plugin or
> > something instead of returning it back to my hardware
> mixer to get that post
> > reverb,how could this be done?
> Well, I'm still stomping on my RC-50, mostly. So, I
> guess other people can give you more hints on the software
> side (let me guess: i.e. someone could suggest Bidule+free
> VST plugins on Windows or MainStage on Mac / while someone
> else  also would mention that you might as well build
> whatever you need with MAX/MSP... ;-)
>=20
> Have you actually also considered the Motu Ultralite Mk3 as
> Firewire alternative? For 550,- EUR you get ca. 10 in/outs
> with built-in hardware Reverbs, EQ and Compression. You
> should give it a look!
> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite-mk3
>=20
> best regards & good luck in the software world
> Buzap
>=20
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Thanx kevin,yes this is the way ive always routed my EDps with a hardware mixer,aux send to edp and out to a channel.Actually this is the way i cnnected my soundcard right away as soon as i got it but i was getting weird oscilating and noise results and i figured out it was because i had to turn all the faders down the software mixer,in other words i was using 2 mixers at the same time.It sounds great now!
However i am still not completely satisfied because there is a soundcard to connect,a hardware mixer and a laptop to worry about,compared to my hardware setup i still dont see many advantages to this(setup time wise) except for the felxiblity of mobius and software/soundcard pristine sound quality.

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> Subject: Re: effective mobius,mixer and soundcard routing
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> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:35 AM
> Forgot to mention:
> 
> Make sure the button on the "Stereo Graphic EQ"
> strip is in the "UP" (Main Mix) position.
> 
> Also, on the FX section, make sure the FX to MON pot is all
> the way to the left.
> 
> The bottom line: make sure all of your MON send pots are
> all the way to the left except for the strips that you want
> to send to your laptop looper.
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com:
> 
> > Regardless of the mixer, to accomplish what you want
> you would need to
> > configure your looper (in this case, your
> laptop/Mobius system) as a
> > SEND EFFECT.
> > 
> > The profx8 has two Sends, namely the MON and FX sends.
> > 
> > Since you want to use your onboard reverb your FX send
> is already tied
> > up, so that leaves the MON send.
> > 
> > For your return (I assume you want a stereo return)
> use either your
> > 9/10 or 11/12 strip.  This will allow you to send your
> laptop's output
> > to the FX buss.  Be sure that your MON send is turned
> down -- else you
> > will get feedback.  Also, make sure that the FX to MON
> pot is turned
> > down else you'll get feedback.
> > 
> > Remember, you don't have to use the ST RETURN to
> return send effects.
> > Also, the ST return can be used as two additional
> mixer inputs
> > (although this input doesn't have any EQ, panning,
> or sends).
> > 
> > The MAIN OUT will go to your speakers.
> > 
> > Hope this helps :)
> > 
> > -- Kevin
> > 
> > Thus, you would hook
> > 
> > 
> > Quoting "L.Angulo"
> <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
> > 
> >> Hi loopers,
> >> i have different instruments plugged in to my
> compact pro fx8  mackie  mixer then i go stereo out of the
> mixer into my soundcard  and from  there straight into the
> speakers.My soundcards fireiwre  out straight  into my
> macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except  when i puse my
>  loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there  is no
> post  proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of 
>  my mixers eqs  and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of
> the  soundcard before it  goes into the speakers.
> >> What would be the most effective way to route
> this,is it possible  to  bring back the outs of the
> soundcard back into the mixer  without  creating feedback?
> >> my mixer does not have alt 3/4 outs,but here is
> the specs:
> >> http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/
> >> thanx for your tips!
> >> Luis
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>


      

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i use that one all the time,in fact used it in this tune:

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/livelooping/videos/2376974

a cool variation of it is tuning down the A to G for that x-tra drone effect

Luis





> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Buzap Buzap
> <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
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> >
> > Excellent link with sound examples!
> >
> > My favorite open tuning - I hardly ever see it - is
> Low C:
> > C G D G A D
> >
> > So, it's like DADGAD but only with a C G D in the
> bottom.
> > In fact, Low C (C G D) in the bottom is my favorite
> starting point because



      

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Hmmm, I use diggidygad (DGDGAD) so much of the time; CGDGAD's only one tweak away...

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A precise estimation???? better break out the real time analyzer. I can tell
you that the Gordius is quieter Behringer but at a different frequency.  The
Behringer has a kind of hollow and a slightly lower frequency and there can
be a creakiness to the sound of the pedals spring over time as well as
slight transformer noise.  The Gordius has a slight  click if you press
normally, and virtually no click if you press very lightly, which as Andy
pointed out, most people don't do, as most of us probably hit our foot
pedals harder than we need to, particularly when creating rhythmic loops.
The Gordius is quieter than the footswitches on a line 6  DL-4 and the M-13,
and quieter than Roland switches  such as their FS-5U momentary switches and
their loop pedals. Part of the issue is how the midi foot controller itself
can contribute to the noise. A typical MFC is a metal box, essentially a
resonant chamber that will amplify any mechanical noise.  Springs, which all
of the midi foot controllers I'm aware of have, also contribute to the
mechanical noise. Then there are relays which also have a bit of mechanical
noise that a metal chassis will amplify a bit.  Perhaps some strategic
placement of foam inside of a MFC might dampen some of the mechanical noise.
I've never tried that
 I assume you are trying to start you loops with open mics present, Rainer?
In a live situation the noise is negligible. In the studio,  with sensitive
mics present, you might get a little bit of mechanical noise  but I don't
think it would be significant.  I did have a bit of trouble with the Gordius
at first as,  Luis was so kind to point out :-). I also had trouble with the
manual for the FCB1010 when I first got it. Unlike the Behringer however,
Xavier at Gordius really helped me get going and understand the
architecture.  I go to the Behringer customer service web site  if I want to
have an exercise in futility or listen to Muzak for several minutes.  I like
the fact that with the little Giant, each bank can have 12 presets if I
assign the two aux switch jacks on the back to control extra looper
functions. I use two FS-5U switches and two EV-5 expression pedals which I
have globally set to volume and feedback. I'm really happy with the Gordius.
The footswitch buttons are a little close together but I have gotten used to
that after having to reach further on an FCB1010. Actually its made looping
while playing lap steel easier because I don't have to reach out so far with
my feet. Pound for pound, the best MFC on the planet IMHO.
 Bill

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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A precise estimation</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">????</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> better break out the real =
time</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">analyzer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8230;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> I can tell you that =
the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">G</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ordius =
is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">quieter</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">B</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">ehringer but at a different frequency</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> The</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">B</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">ehringer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> has a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> kind of hollo</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">w and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> slightly lower frequency and there can be =
a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">creakiness</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> to the sound of the pedals spring over =
time</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> as well as slight transformer =
noise</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
The</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">G</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ordius</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">has a</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">slight</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> click if you press =
normally, and virtually no click if you press very</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">lightly</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">, which as Andy pointed =
out</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">, most people don</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">t do, as most of us =
probably hit our foot pedals harder than we need to</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">, particularly when creating</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">rhythmic</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> loops. =
The</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">G</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ordius is quieter than the =
footswitches on a line 6</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> DL-4 and the =
M-13,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">quieter =
than</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Roland</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> switches</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">such as their FS-5U momentary switches and their loop =
pedals. Part of the issue</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> is how =
the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">midi foot controller</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">itself can contribute to the noise</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">. A</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> typical</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">MFC</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> is a metal =
box,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">essentially</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">a resonant chamber that =
will amplify any mechanical noise</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">S</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">prings</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> which all of the midi foot =
controllers I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">m aware of have, also contribute to the mechanical noise. =
Then there are relays which also have a bit of mechanical noise that a =
metal</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">chassis will amplify a =
bit.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> Perhaps some =
strategic placement of foam inside of a MFC might dampen some of the =
mechanical noise.&nbsp; I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">ve never tried that</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;I assume you are trying to start you loops =
with</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> open mics present</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Rainer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">?&nbsp; In a live situation</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> the noise is</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">negligible</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">. In the =
studio</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; with sensitive mics present</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> you might get a little bit =
of mechanical noise</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> but I don</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&#8217;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">t think it would be</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">significant</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> I did have a bit of trouble with the Gordius at first =
as</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us">&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> Luis was so kind to =
point out</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT FACE=3D"Wingdings" =
SIZE=3D2>J</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">. I also had trouble with =
the manual for the FCB1010 when I first got it. Unlike =
the</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">B</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ehringer however, Xavier =
at</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">G</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">ordius really helped me get =
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Great stuff Per,
I would love to see how you do that live.
Any chance of including Barbados on your next tour?

On Wed, December 3, 2008 5:30 pm, Per Boysen wrote:
> If anyone's is in the mood for listening I just posted a looping heavy
> song here:
>
> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550
>
>
>>"The Yogi and the Commissar"
>>
>> About the song:
>> I wanted to give my three sexiest instruments three minutes to make out
>> on the web.
>> They took three fifty three.
>>
>> Equipment:
>> Alto Flute, Tenor Sax, Stratocaster Electric Guitar,
>> Electric Wind Controller (EWI 9000s),
>> Mobius looping software,
>> Logic Pro recording software.
>
> I had a problem finding a proper style tag and finally settled for "jazz".
>
> Per
>
>


Andre Donawa


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My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for many more down below:

I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string fretted or fretless bass.

This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and lends itself to 
really simple
sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes.

I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last year.

I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this tuning

D   A   D   E   D   D  

This gives a full   8 strings of D so the open tuning stuff just sounds 
like a shimmering
god.   It's just beautiful......................

I'm not a guitarist , but  I play one on stage occasionally, by the 
way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by any stretch
of the imagination,   but I love the though of using the guitar as 
almost an open tuned Zither.

I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D  open tuned guitar on a 
tune.

I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called    Weird Guitar  (for 
people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative
'out of the box' ways)   and Weird Zither  (for people doing the same 
thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread
on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check out.

***********
***********

I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour with the wonderful 
Alternate Tuning guru,  Britain's Martin Simpson
for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things.    He has a theory 
that there are five basic simple chord shapes and that, once learned,
can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings for a guitar to 
produce really beautiful results.

I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings
and this book/DVD package called
*MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS*
http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415

Additionally,  I've enjoyed these books excellent books by Mark Hanson
*THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS  *(one of those cool ,  fit in 
the guitar case slender books)
and his larger
*THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark Hanson
and a very cool picture chord book:
*ALTERNATE TUNINGS   PICTURE CHORDS*

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I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used it alot on 
Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a Perfect Pair .

Jeff

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> My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for many more down 
> below:
>
> I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string fretted or fretless bass.
>
> This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and lends itself to
> really simple
> sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes.
>
> I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last year.
>
> I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this tuning
>
> D   A   D   E   D   D
>
> This gives a full   8 strings of D so the open tuning stuff just sounds
> like a shimmering
> god.   It's just beautiful......................
>
> I'm not a guitarist , but  I play one on stage occasionally, by the
> way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by any stretch
> of the imagination,   but I love the though of using the guitar as
> almost an open tuned Zither.
>
> I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D  open tuned guitar on a
> tune.
>
> I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called    Weird Guitar  (for
> people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative
> 'out of the box' ways)   and Weird Zither  (for people doing the same
> thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread
> on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check out.
>
> ***********
> ***********
>
> I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour with the wonderful
> Alternate Tuning guru,  Britain's Martin Simpson
> for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things.    He has a theory
> that there are five basic simple chord shapes and that, once learned,
> can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings for a guitar to
> produce really beautiful results.
>
> I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings
> and this book/DVD package called
> *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS*
> http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415
>
> Additionally,  I've enjoyed these books excellent books by Mark Hanson
> *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS  *(one of those cool ,  fit in
> the guitar case slender books)
> and his larger
> *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark Hanson
> and a very cool picture chord book:
> *ALTERNATE TUNINGS   PICTURE CHORDS*
>


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Anyone ever tried this for looping?

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Anyone ever tried this for looping?
http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco

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My primary source of experiment is... Joni Mitchell.

My regular tuning is std tuning down to C because I have a baritone.

But since I worked with a VG8 and now with a VG99, the machine has been 
a place to experiment tuning wise.
I have a soft spot for the california kitchen tuning and for the Hejira 
tuning...

Olivier Malhomme
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<fontfamily><param>Lucida Grande</param>My primary source of
experiment is... Joni Mitchell.


My regular tuning is std tuning down to C because I have a baritone.


But since I worked with a VG8 and now with a VG99, the machine has
been a place to experiment tuning wise.

I have a soft spot for the california kitchen tuning and for the
Hejira tuning...


Olivier Malhomme</fontfamily>
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>> >> Hi loopers,
>> >> i have different instruments plugged in to my
>> compact pro fx8  mackie  mixer then i go stereo out of the
>> mixer into my soundcard  and from  there straight into the
>> speakers.My soundcards fireiwre  out straight  into my
>> macbook and mobius.Everything is cool,except  when i pause my
>>  loops it sounds very abrupt and dry because there  is no
>> post  proccesing.I would like to therefore take avantage of
>>  my mixers eqs  and reverb to warmup the sound coming out of
>> the  soundcard before it  goes into the speakers.
>> >> What would be the most effective way to route
>> this,is it possible  to  bring back the outs of the
>> soundcard back into the mixer  without  creating feedback?

Use another two channels on the mixer to take the soundcard output as
their inputs and insert some reverb. Just make sure those two channels
are routed to the speaker and not back into the soundcard's input,
because that would create some horrible feedback.

I use the same kind of rig, ie no post loop processing. However I play
my instruments through reverb, pre looper, and I would never do like
you are saying: simply pausing my loops. The way I do it is to play
something on my instrument as I pause my loops - in order to have the
reverb treated live sound mask the dry loop ending (loops are not
"dry" though, since lots of reverb are recorded as part of the loops,
but that even makes it sound more odd when you simply mute them
without covering up on the live instrument)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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I couldnt see that it was an actual product... isnt this a product designers
ideas portfolio? Looks nice thought, bet you could make one with a few
sensors / pietzos and whatnots... might have a go tonight... I think I have
a lonely single glove somewhere... :-)

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:01 AM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:

> Anyone ever tried this for looping?
> http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco
>
>


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I couldnt see that it was an actual product... isnt this a product designers ideas portfolio? Looks nice thought, bet you could make one with a few sensors / pietzos and whatnots... might have a go tonight... I think I have a lonely single glove somewhere... :-) <br>
&nbsp;<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:01 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mike@michaelplishka.com">mike@michaelplishka.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Anyone ever tried this for looping?<br>
<a href="http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco" target="_blank">http://zenstorming.posterous.com/portable-idea-creator-and-reco</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://vimeo.com/user825094">http://vimeo.com/user825094</a><br><a href="http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe</a><br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe">http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no">www.looop.no</a><br>

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Andr=E9 Donawa <andre@andredonawa.com> wrot=
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> Great stuff Per,
> I would love to see how you do that live.

Looping that music live would exclude the non-vocal percussion though,
unless I play together with a drummer. And you wouldn't hear all three
melody instruments right from the beginning, since I would have to
play them one after the other into a four minute loop. When making
that recording I performed the flute/voc looping first and had it
saved to overdub the sax and guitar take. You can't expect listeners
to sit around waiting for eight minutes before the third instruments
comes around ;-))

> Any chance of including Barbados on your next tour?

He, he... next gig happens april 8 on the Swedish west coast. Not sure
I will be able to extend that "tour" to Barbados, even though I'd love
doing that ;-))

Per

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sometimes i like to increase the reverb very high while an agressive loop is going,pause the loop abruptly and while the reverb is trailing off fade in something else,yes sometimes i like that mechanical angular feel when you have every other instrument treated with reverb and you pause it abruptly and the retrigger it nice effect!
i dint use many efx for the acoustic other than a couple of stomps,delay octave and boost,i an content with the mackies complementary eq and reverb.
Luis


> I use the same kind of rig, ie no post loop processing.
> However I play
> my instruments through reverb, pre looper, and I would
> never do like
> you are saying: simply pausing my loops. The way I do it is
> to play
> something on my instrument as I pause my loops - in order
> to have the
> reverb treated live sound mask the dry loop ending (loops
> are not
> "dry" though, since lots of reverb are recorded
> as part of the loops,
> but that even makes it sound more odd when you simply mute
> them
> without covering up on the live instrument)
> 
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> www.stockholm-athens.com


      

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yeah! he said he is content with that one and his low budget one
EADABE

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:31 PM
> I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used
> it alot on 
> Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a
> Perfect Pair .
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"
> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)
> 
> 
> > My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for
> many more down 
> > below:
> >
> > I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string
> fretted or fretless bass.
> >
> > This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and
> lends itself to
> > really simple
> > sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes.
> >
> > I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last
> year.
> >
> > I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this
> tuning
> >
> > D   A   D   E   D   D
> >
> > This gives a full   8 strings of D so the open tuning
> stuff just sounds
> > like a shimmering
> > god.   It's just beautiful......................
> >
> > I'm not a guitarist , but  I play one on stage
> occasionally, by the
> > way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by
> any stretch
> > of the imagination,   but I love the though of using
> the guitar as
> > almost an open tuned Zither.
> >
> > I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D  open
> tuned guitar on a
> > tune.
> >
> > I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called   
> Weird Guitar  (for
> > people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative
> > 'out of the box' ways)   and Weird Zither 
> (for people doing the same
> > thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread
> > on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check
> out.
> >
> > ***********
> > ***********
> >
> > I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour
> with the wonderful
> > Alternate Tuning guru,  Britain's Martin Simpson
> > for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things. 
>   He has a theory
> > that there are five basic simple chord shapes and
> that, once learned,
> > can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings
> for a guitar to
> > produce really beautiful results.
> >
> > I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings
> > and this book/DVD package called
> > *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS*
> >
> http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415
> >
> > Additionally,  I've enjoyed these books excellent
> books by Mark Hanson
> > *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS  *(one of
> those cool ,  fit in
> > the guitar case slender books)
> > and his larger
> > *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark
> Hanson
> > and a very cool picture chord book:
> > *ALTERNATE TUNINGS   PICTURE CHORDS*
> >
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:27 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> sometimes i like to increase the reverb very high while an agressive loop is
> going,pause the loop abruptly and while the reverb is trailing off fade in something else,

Yes, that's a nice trick! I tend to like dub style tape delay loops as
well. Not using it for loops now, since I'm limited to Mobius
standalone version, but I have set up some such effect chains in
MainStage. But I can't get loops into that effect machinery, just the
live sound.

If ever there will be an AU version of Mobius I'd like to build a rig
in Bidule that has these kind of trippy effect chains as an option for
every loop track output (as well as for my instrument input). I will
not use reverb at all in that setup, rather "tape delay faking reverb"
(which I'm starting to like better in some ways)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Once I was talking to a guy that used G-G-G-G-G-G. A bit spectacular
maybe. Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to
change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the
same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual
and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a
very rich and layered tone. For recording, in a pop band context, this
is an awesome trick. The problem with recording acoustic guitar is
always that it has too much bass, so why not simply take out those too
bassy strings and add three more of the strings that sound good in a
mix together with drums, bass and vocals! Lush!

per

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Btw: the idea about the Motu ultralite-mk3 is good one, that seems a flex=
ible and good audio card. I can get a Sound On Sound review if you want, =
just let me know.

Always fun to talk about designing flexible looping rigs! I would expect =
that what Luis wants should be possible but it=92s seems not so easy. I=92=
ve been investigating a 100% software rig too but correct me if I=92m wro=
ng, the problem has been and seems to be a flexible integration of the mi=
xer, looper (pre/post FX) and the routing to the audio card. Plus I would=
 like to see it working with a low CPU soft synth in a Mainstage like arc=
hitecture. It would be fantastic to have something like this all in a sma=
ll laptop. Imo, a disadvantage of this type of configurations is that you=
 first have to invest a big amount of money before you can start trying i=
t out without being sure it=92s going to work. But things are constantly =
improving so I=92m watching these threads closely.

An alternative combo I=92m personally thinking of is the LP1, Line 6 M13 =
+ a MFC. Yes, it=92s hardware but the combined specs look very promising.=
 The M13 has stereo FX send/returns and you can put your own external dev=
ice (eg EDP or LP1) anywhere in the FX chain of the M13. So something lik=
e 

pre-fx 1,2,3 =3D> looper =3D> post-fx or
pre-fx 1,2,3,4 =3D> looper 

is all be possible. By using the M13 scenes (setups) you can change the s=
tomp box + FX send/return setup on the fly.
--- 
Sjaak
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---
Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer!
Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm

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right Louis, That was in response to Robert Fripps NST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Standard_Tuning

When KC reformed after Fripp had changed. he was described as grimacing from 
learning all the old stuff in NST.
It's amazing that after changing tunings RF still sounded exactly like 
RF....
His students The California Guitar Trio also use the New Standard tuning 
with great results

J

http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace


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> yeah! he said he is content with that one and his low budget one
> EADABE
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Alternate Guitar Tunings (OT)
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:31 PM
>> I always liked Adrian Belews old tuning E A D A B E. He used
>> it alot on
>> Twang Bar King and the 80s Crimson release Three of a
>> Perfect Pair .
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
>> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"
>> <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:59 PM
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>>
>>
>> > My favorite altered tuning and a list of resources for
>> many more down
>> > below:
>> >
>> > I'm just in love with D A D E on a four string
>> fretted or fretless bass.
>> >
>> > This sus2 tuning gives beautiful Lydian bar chords and
>> lends itself to
>> > really simple
>> > sus chord diadic and triadic chord shapes.
>> >
>> > I'm just over using the hell out of it in the last
>> year.
>> >
>> > I even tuned my twelve string steel acoustic to this
>> tuning
>> >
>> > D   A   D   E   D   D
>> >
>> > This gives a full   8 strings of D so the open tuning
>> stuff just sounds
>> > like a shimmering
>> > god.   It's just beautiful......................
>> >
>> > I'm not a guitarist , but  I play one on stage
>> occasionally, by the
>> > way........not in my brother, or Ted's league by
>> any stretch
>> > of the imagination,   but I love the though of using
>> the guitar as
>> > almost an open tuned Zither.
>> >
>> > I love that David Crosby once had a D D D D D D  open
>> tuned guitar on a
>> > tune.
>> >
>> > I even have two tribes at www.tribe.net called
>> Weird Guitar  (for
>> > people using guitars in unusual, exotic and creative
>> > 'out of the box' ways)   and Weird Zither
>> (for people doing the same
>> > thing..............I have a Guitar as Zither thread
>> > on the Weird Zithers tribe you might want to check
>> out.
>> >
>> > ***********
>> > ***********
>> >
>> > I was fortunate to record a few records and to tour
>> with the wonderful
>> > Alternate Tuning guru,  Britain's Martin Simpson
>> > for a while and he hipped me to a lot of cool things.
>>   He has a theory
>> > that there are five basic simple chord shapes and
>> that, once learned,
>> > can be morphed around on any number of altered tunings
>> for a guitar to
>> > produce really beautiful results.
>> >
>> > I can highly recommend his book on Alternate Tunings
>> > and this book/DVD package called
>> > *MARTIN SIMPSON TEACHES ALTERNATE TUNINGS*
>> >
>> http://www.guitargallerymusic.com/shopping.php?do=display_product&item_number=AL20415
>> >
>> > Additionally,  I've enjoyed these books excellent
>> books by Mark Hanson
>> > *THE ALTERNATE TUNINGS GUIDE FOR GUITARS  *(one of
>> those cool ,  fit in
>> > the guitar case slender books)
>> > and his larger
>> > *THE COMPLETE BOOK OF ALTERNATE TUNINGS * by Mark
>> Hanson
>> > and a very cool picture chord book:
>> > *ALTERNATE TUNINGS   PICTURE CHORDS*
>> >
>>
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hi,

i will be in USA in march, in california and NY.

i plan to buy a togaman violguitar ( electric model ) handmade in LA. i =
plan to use this new instrument on future ECM recordings and such. has =
anyone played this instrument? what are your thoughts about it? here is =
the link for it.

http://www.togamanguitars.com/guitarviols/index.php

also would you recommend any other violguitar models, brands that i =
should check out before i make my final decision about which one to buy? =
i can pay as much as 4000$.

thanks a lot as always. best regards.

Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine
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<DIV>hi,</DIV>
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<DIV>i will be in USA in march, in california and NY.</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>thanks a lot as always. best regards.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi everyone!
I'm an italian guitar player. I've got a Boss RC-50 Loop Station since 2006.
As the title, i've a problem with this.
Follow me:
1. I record a pharse(4/4 120 btm) on pedal phrase one on patch one.
2. I save recorded phrase on patch one
3. I copy patch one into patch two.
4. Both patch are setting on "Loop End" mode (When a switch in patches or
the current phrase is
carried out, recording or playback of the next
designated patch or phrase begins once the end
of the current phrase (length of the current loop
when Loop Sync is on in Multi mode) is reached).
5. I start playng path one.
6. I select patch two with the knob (or pedals, there is no difference).
7. When patch one ends to play I wish that patch two start immidiately...
but is not!!! [image: Eek]
There is a delay time between the end of the execution of patch one and the
start of the execution of patch two! it'sounds orrible and is not possible
to sync well with the drummer!

Does anyone got the same problem?
Does anyone found the solution?
thanks for reply!

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Hi everyone!<br>I&#39;m an italian guitar player. I&#39;ve got a Boss RC-50 Loop Station since 2006.<br>As the title, i&#39;ve a problem with this.<br>Follow me:<br>1. I record a pharse(4/4 120 btm) on pedal phrase one on patch one.<br>
2. I save recorded phrase on patch one<br>3. I copy  patch one into patch two.<br>4.
Both patch are setting on &quot;Loop End&quot; mode (When a switch in patches or the current phrase is<br>carried out, recording or playback of the next<br>designated patch or phrase begins once the end<br>of the current phrase (length of the current loop<br>
when Loop Sync is on in Multi mode) is reached).<br>5. I start playng path one.<br>6. I select patch two with the knob (or pedals, there is no difference).<br>7. When patch one ends to play I wish that patch two start immidiately... but is not!!!  <img src="http://bose.infopop.cc/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif" alt="Eek" width="15" height="15"> <br>
There
is a delay time between the end of the execution of patch one and the
start of the execution of patch two! it&#39;sounds orrible and is not
possible to sync well with the drummer!<br><br>Does anyone got the same problem?<br>Does anyone found the solution?<br>thanks for reply!

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Yeah,

It's apparently a tuning that Clapton uses a lot.

I forgot to mention that I also use a VG99 and adore what the "All Es"=20=

re-tuning on that it does to my tuning.

I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've used that quite a=20=

bit live.

The B-bender feature is slick too.

On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.=A0 It seems to pop =
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> in many interviews in the last few years.
>
> TH=

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If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick.

You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s.

Not done so much any more though.

On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to
> change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the
> same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual
> and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a
> very rich and layered tone.

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wow Ted it does the b-bender?
can you do other pedal steel bendings with it as well?




> I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've
> used that quite a bit live.
>=20
> The B-bender feature is slick too.
>=20
> On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>=20
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> It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years.
> >=20
> > TH=0A=0A=0A      

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Luis,

There is no particular reason why you couldn't.

There are 2 expression pedals on the FC300 (controller) and jacks for=20
more CV pedals on both it and the VG99 (brain).

It might be tricky to program . . . but I bet a lot of fun could be had=20=

trying.

I may just try it myself.

I always wanted t play lap and/or pedal steel but could never get=20
comfortable with the hand-over-the-fretboard technique.

I gave away my lap steel a few years ago to a friend who could already=20=

play it better in 5 minutes than I could in 5 years.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks they say.

I guess I'm proof it's true.

Ted

On Dec 4, 2008, at 7:15 AM, L.Angulo wrote:

> wow Ted it does the b-bender?
> can you do other pedal steel bendings with it as well?
>
>
>
>
>> I have no idea what tuning it wind up being but I've
>> used that quite a bit live.
>>
>> The B-bender feature is slick too.
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>>
>>> C G D G A D is actually pretty popular these days.=A0
>> It seems to pop up in many interviews in the last few years.
>>>
>>> TH
>
>
>
>

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I played one of these a couple of years ago at the NAMM show...WAY
COOL! Easy to play and sounds like an electric violin. I was having a
blast playing it. Wish I had the money to buy one! I probably will one
of these days.

You won't be disappointed.

-- 
Mark Smart
http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart
http://www.marksmart.net

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Yup, called the "Nashville tuning" in fact (though traditionally it 
changes the bottom four strings, using a 12-string set). Pat Metheny 
uses it a lot, in particular on his "One Quiet Night" record, albeit on 
a baritone guitar.

I played exclusively in DADGCF for five years, which was great for rock 
and helped me break out of certain ruts, but I never use alternate 
tunings anymore because I know I'll never be as comfortable as in 
standard tuning. I always want to be able (or aspire to be able) to play 
what jumps into my head at any given time, and playing in a different 
tuning is a handicap, to me, for that goal.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
 

> If I recall, that' an old Nasville country music recording trick.
>
> You can hear it on many C&W hits of the 50s, 60s and 70s.
>
> Not done so much any more though.
>
> On Dec 4, 2008, at 12:57 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Another good tuning for zing-zing-a-zing backing acoustic is to
>> change the three lower strings to thinner strings that are tuned the
>> same but one octave higher. Then you simply play the chords as usual
>> and get kind of minimal chords, never wider than a triad, but with a
>> very rich and layered tone.

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