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Regards, Nikolay Sintsov. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 01:37:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6543BE77; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:27:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #604 for October 30, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <490BBE7F.4080003@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:37:59 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081030.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #604 October 30, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk four from Poland 2004 on the Ricochet Dream label. Ricochet Gathering: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Cosmic Hoffmann Spcaewards Outerspace Gems (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Lanes of the Lord Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder (Manikin) Loucette Bourdin While the Storm Rising Fog (DarkDuck) Passes Ricochet Gathering Track 1 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 2 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ricochet Gathering Track 3 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 4 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 5 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 6 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 7 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 8 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 9 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begins a month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series in the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 on AmbientLive Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 02:10:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125A63BE72; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4eBXO6H073Y/k1GZFWb+MWsY+vZxnduLlL43XO13UMQOpkhz/4kM2pcyuwL/r46z2eT7p9XljtvLcaKDN+3f0ZS0tIfSQDKdCtRKcQtUYaVtU9ZoMz4U+ZFZr5XrnVNdDKcS5itQWgoM3h/VDAsCW6eWLlyexRW60U7Qs7tS+kU= ; X-YMail-OSG: smqL0RwVM1kEISr._u0JKrQGo7Thnxw4mQdoGI_4.77Iq6Vk4EymqEwOKvZTiJl19F7r5mQegTawW9Byf7Vb6ZNvHFqaBeDiX9Awge.RLjvpPJw2_UpkmigzqwuNMmxGyucDvUE3x1XWcp3uISJ1y8PxhbRllt48xg0RjhXWFXYFeANd61sUGqMOJvE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: Subject: Anyone have a MIDI foot controller for sale? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP. Thanks in advance, Ricky Graham www.rickygraham.net =20 info@rickygraham.net +44(0)7743537349 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. = To work=20 along with EDP.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ricky Graham
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 02:28:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EBA23BE71; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZtgOB86na9+wTMDPfMf0DxzPN5Esa382G12iCvefEIE=; b=FSYBN8OPQbWbZgmeBOeC4EvoHNjob2kb5Wp75wpXnoWYliMviVj+AMI1nU0gJ9+9qI hZjLy4bI0C0suDXljbTlo27AU4kEqwH8+W1c4krk4I+b5HH9EWW0QtaQh6pj03oMkjIU hApEvcAQpasjSdfFHtWoCxWMVgq+nP9oaGCy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Olidrtb/H8b/V5A45gTQLcuWtiEu0Xzr1/8jBi+vVbRllyIkJrwNjs2+Ir8tbOzAdy kGHds0OFArp9rrnIyolr0wWLUZOmxoGuENTDQAQbiJGOlxOdVKgtucHDTN2WYfdqQvMo JvTyQadYEnmiNb7RZec7t4NmmO8ucuZe2LELk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:28:29 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have a MIDI foot controller for sale? In-Reply-To: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878" References: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:28:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does the FC200 work with the EDP? I thought Roland's controllers didn't. TH On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP. > > > > ------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does the FC200 work with the EDP?  I thought Roland's controllers didn't.

TH

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP.
 

 

------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:07:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF0843BE80; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=3takrLxN3liPjPu39rOxNW3PxH1x9tKj54o1pZPicPA=; b=j7B+r6s3Y42wTBAmTgOPJa4tL5uKRSqdWQgIILRnTWC85zeKaOm7dqRWVJvENtUbWA sV2bQ8lUr+Rbt9L8tqq8uZdj6tL8I20Ux8KWxhiIblnkSFh9f1+TjcWoLw2eMAIeLSrx al/rE2R/ursmiEvwocgCw97kQkyCn5pZy4CAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OPcKIl9yUd4cEDAvVUHqpFjLKo5BmCVQ0dd9NjZPfOKvXuErSkH6K7fY2HIzFPmNm0 s45okRNIdPqthWtZjkLlEIvbarFdRh75OpVkknPVXC5BtimBqQ7fvw+PG5/ts1A9/aH0 nrPwYyBcZyZcp7nletsSTpJ3w86ZmnisxYiXg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:07:31 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Osx and Windows split MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows? http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433483BE81; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DoDY/gE+K+eszZxCcWfp6lGhArP8qPp8WN0QQobsDMk=; b=QkEl779YxuATy08iTXqBfy4cKSkY2BDR6BY1gF34ptGbshEiXV3GZacfwoHexQULnJ gjw759mIYd/jotwoObMI0K64frcKgxdyFgguvz2DLkVLgZ9RXeWAN3gzp3Mq/gy2Lgwy 7HOGqO54ozV6wYCYlZp+sjyU1Bj3X2u+aZ+Jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Qcc34SUjXxTTW8cWlvrkScU790cvvGAOGYQXvx8eulVtpQDlErqcXw/qjo89G1lWvb ZtZLhCUGBdX5iBan0QT3F8Y6CnTQ3VUt9/kJgyt+O+6fVYPN052vSrnQsxAuRw+YoPz+ 8ecqbQxentf08d/7DApQjgeQNLKvBuD98chec= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:57:29 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8fc39c5a5c88c03d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion. It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs. However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying. Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and > windows? > > http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ > > seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's > operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? > > Byron > > ------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion.

It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs.

However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying.

Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows?

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/

seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
operable from the  mac side in a host like Ableton?

Byron


------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:58:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0E93BE7C; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yuk6muJMJ1F4SLmO4QXH3qU7xntwf083fgrADpk3d2I=; b=fbWu9kGtCc72htsePBydcTva2FVCOvrJP0afOkVt4QRw+3HCJgsxYJE92f9lC5D5WN o85o28CyvrgVcUTSG7ELzxXrZR582aA+Kp5TzZSW/tcefxZ9Xd43NA3WuSWEMKmC/oqS 4bXwRfMZXaVqxmbp7ad46iN26QLlERB9amPbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sSt8fNAPam2yWNmgOpwBxqE7wbFLP1SbxgpgNqbh2u9iWzC0jO8ut9PbehM4IJH4aI Is3DJHd3PghI0kx5F+FMTw7MNrjXeOI8DjW/sDPsJeZ8SdpfGhbjRyIJtVaCr9wGBSxK zKr6iJzTWNnm5Y0SrA5Z493ei31fnDyoOZF+A= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:58:11 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 988c4a04d0ade45f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (Sorry for the resend, this one is in plain text) I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion. It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs. However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying. Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote: >> >> Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows? >> >> http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ >> >> seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's >> operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? >> >> Byron >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 11:05:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0536A3BE79; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5/mvBNQdCn3whhX38lAJvlnLCWGweQiUpEPuPG/qnkk=; b=sxrZTve77IAqhU7lIpC15tqscZtxlP0iRs2Gk3zZmgwp4tmj4O1dWLeP1oPYmaXuU8 16T3/o2mQewSJNqmCGpWChyE6SermtwksaSVvKfpBNMvAIci03DqG2Ci+Pn42bkD1VFS zkZnQ2DQamRdQMQzTiD1UnPQhz9tAJ9AAVo+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kmvb45po3qUUJmMYsFXxKFcylopoPu8B4QJywQer86CepMoPED8Xf8ri6sCOd6ckqy B3yCISd9sgRIOZExhj7pUcvrbPST1ghUArBrDeFkpy6y+OMuh3f09zqfnlKAsqx8AFdq +8x73hqwaCqLvdW6Qvj6oUVIs1UzhXhE1uKWk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:05:09 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865" References: <9ab0c76f0810260100q2f9c022ct4390783a1b106d90@mail.gmail.com> <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. 2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796 Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video capture). So there you have it. Best, Dennis On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > Always thought that iTunes used G-force for visualization - at least in > lineage: > > http://www.soundspectrum.com/g-force/ > > Nic > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Tiedje < > stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Per Boysen schrieb: >> >>> Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I >>> showed him. >>> >>> STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so, >>> please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer >>> to a live feed audio input. >>> >> >> No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it >> with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in >> theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available. >> As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way, >> create a feed and let itunes listen to it... >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > -- > Nic Roozeboom > > http://www.fractal-continuum.com > http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal > http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum > http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom > http://fractal.bebo.com/ > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:

1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796

Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video capture).

So there you have it.

Best,

Dennis

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roozeboom <nicroozeboom@gmail.com> wrote:
Always thought that iTunes used G-force for visualization - at least in lineage:Nic


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
Per Boysen schrieb:
Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I showed him.

STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so,
please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer
to a live feed audio input.

No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available. As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way, create a feed and let itunes listen to it...

Stefan

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--(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
-- _|_)----|-----()--------------
----------()--------www.ccmix.com




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Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://fractal.bebo.com/



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http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:15:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C53C3BE79; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=QtskLS7KCK88NInLG5ACz3D92EGsj+stWnpc+BFXTxBKKCf44TVKpIQ6qAofiin/3VjRbynWULsjur7hwQJVnttD324R8iCtbQVNGdTI2FOuy5KHSNxKXiQfgFP/4Jv/PtEVacyaVVkTl3oqYp6MUBUg4gzJC7DYsM12Z3W/Hvk=; X-YMail-OSG: R60TCaoVM1mYiVIbv9r6MD3di_U8O8Y65WubG8C2GkX9y8.fUv7ep54Wnj1LfP3XGg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7553BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBNrzsRDEVEA== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Ack8LFDiio1QGhn4Q2WF+PlMrG16AQAA20Dw In-Reply-To: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) > i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer > compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused > channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab > that damn mouse! This does not directly target your initial question (but onto that: no, I believe it is not possible), but I found that when I work with the computer, I need some kind of non-mouse-based user interface. This could be a kind of faderbox (and as usual, the starting point price-wise is something like a Behringer BCR2000 or BCF2000, both of which I'm happy with), or in a first step (if the application supports that) using your computer keyboard to do what you're after - this is possible e.g. in Ableton Live and would work for that specific application you're after. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78E03BE87; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wf2ZUkffFdGl12wxlvsTfUj3e17GtVOS0w9WfMI6A48=; b=mHKrpLHTqdPn5eYe0hWlnmdIEvaeIBKxEeHCxV9Pb5CSjJbc2w+ticJ9DTCVpckbpj 0u0sD7bk7iyihpBLrrFyfEmeiSvTsVlJwtsrgY5Ifb5a8GBn5so5o/rDFAMJMqNFX9Jv 2QXsOL6Ojc+AcqbcwkMmDrjeZe9JQ07p6wEUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Btc/j5EVTuSwFebATyJJuDOYQ7VnuedUAQL/6PmDZ04EWHFYRZ0d+tLaAFiaakLGzh XF2NEPJi8iTPvsUVTOu7kkAKONDF5Q72xXzONxpKnE2rvZVlpiv3gXmx0w++6Mq06IP2 mzN/fZSAP0679K0/a9mEzoBiiWbR6UUK9pjmQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:58:48 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse! > cheers > Luis Hi Luis, I have the same priorities as you, and I did that routing in Bidule by dragging virtual cables from the soundgard's differnt input to the Mobius input that equals the Selected Track in Mobius. I also use Bidule for muting physical inputs not in use. However, that was on Windows with the Mobius VST, but now after moving over to use the Mobius Mac beta I have been thinking about this related to the standalone Mobius version and I'm afraid can't see a way to do it. I will probably keep on using Mobius standalone on Mac, because that way my "effect rig" of choice MainStage is reliably slave syncing to Mobius, so I too need to find a way to to lead four analog inputs into each one of Mobius track inputs. Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many physical inputs? 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I will look in to this and see if I can find a solution. If the screen goes blank, hit the MENU button several times until it comes back. As for the RM65B, I suspect that there is a ground loop. Most likely it is a ground loop through the chassis. If you were local, I could probably modifiy the LP1 to eliminate the ground connection through the chassis, but since you aren't, my recommendation would be to get a set of electically isolating mounts for the rack. I don't remember who makes them, but I have seen them before. I hope this helps, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:21 AM Subject: LP first report > Hi Bob, > how are u? i made it safe in one piece,but after such an intensive looping > week i am still getting back to nromality here! > anyway,about the looperlative: > the good news is that it has been behaving more reliable,it only locked up > once as i was trying to set the xpression pedal on me so far, and the > noise and level problems are gone! > The bad news is that when i turn my P.A. spakers on the looperlative > screen goes blank and i can only see the peak input nd output levels, it > also sometimes goes into reloading the software. > The other is that i bought a rackmount mixer, a rolls rm65b to use it in > conjunctio with the LP > http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=RM65b > but when i connect the LP in its effects loop,it makes a static noise and > the mixer becomes noisy and cannot use the LP at all.No problems however > when i use the LP with my soundcraft mixer.This is strange because the > rack mixer is new and works clean and fine with eveything else,i have no > idea about electronics but could it be some sort of ground problem? could > you take a look at the rolls specs and tell me what the problem might be? > also why do u think the screen is going blank when i turn the P.A. and why > does it reboots? this doesnt happen with my EDP or any other equipment... > i hope i can get this sorted out,i just want to use my LP the way everbody > does! > thanx and i await your response > take care > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > From root@technical.amitpatel.co.uk Sat Nov 1 15:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from technical.amitpatel.co.uk (78-105-14-102.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.14.102]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6373BE79 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by technical.amitpatel.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 0) id 068D4122085E; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:49:21 +0000 (GMT) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have just received a virtual postcard from a friend ! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:10:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15D163BE88; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <581458.71101.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LP first report Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:10:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3m8PD.A.NhB.CGHDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) I apologize for my last email to the list. For some reason replying to Luis' email created a reply to the list instead of a reply to him. For those of you that read the mail, please know that Luis' situation is not typical. I am trying to resolve issues for him that cropped up as a result of modifications that I made to his unit while he was here in California. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:22:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7C03BE87; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GT5iMrcUz9yH+ftjpEYYI06q7X1WQvrCkb89pq9xES8=; b=hbiHjDQxtMPVXGFvceEuoKdiZUJWdXIT5dHd94Ex9wwAcYFemU0Ym9CZBAqBTHRMmM AY+HEZhcX9Iy8xi/l+DaWHIlg9sNWI+a6FBhakVfzEacDCaXVhYBiiTGoUCswOYzkiPI cskFP2pDSTo7i6oAaXD1Gs8wSa0FxdxAkJw8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YgMpA5Uu+SGLM558iMQ+kf5Ss47nwhrTptUT9tZOHEqfNyZ23QbrQ9a9sYdD7+Cxvh pxyf9zdVEtn42J2mO8wgSaMaFD5COr0So5WmgBuZoSFtQwUXGunhbSCKgvXSgZrmU33m Z0dUeTE0Pnll0oP9+gkivl8jOU50SCgBZ6RmE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:22:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0810260100q2f9c022ct4390783a1b106d90@mail.gmail.com> <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 16:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA2F3BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jlYlGEhbvuwOqVb4oaI/mn04UTvmNewKJCdKUwMk2iC5v26S2ninCSih/Daurj09e+huw6FjUhfRFwh9y20y5bncqwE82BoSCxv54gB6f8psWLtF8dA610fLNEN8QjPx2RWIk7tTyWt4dnHwXgUcLy1SDKaJLfdQvA8Yc1ymN+w=; X-YMail-OSG: DuImLdwVM1n2T1zoTYv1AdZCsAOvPw.tuxmyxr797ILP9wTlh1BskA6a6kpZRh3LFxroGcq4pjMZpKGg731ckJRgkpVjkHakCTCLhCP5sOKWpAQhO..BFBcaJOw.JdfRNEJqF1_ZP3XrkcbseeYHW7MtxK4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <118015.73602.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-aftjC.A.-IE.L-HDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey per, I had no problems routing this with my RME fireface,i set all inputs to outputs 1 and 2 on the matrix then went to the track setup in mobius and assigned all ports to 1 for each track.That way i could have different instruments plugged in on any of the inputs of the soundcard ready to go. I recently got the presonus to try with my macbook thinking i could route the same way but apparently is not possible.I have my the following setup: microphone plugged to input 1, percussion on 2 guitar stereo outs to inputs 3,4 the problem here is that i am forced to loop my voice only in track 1 precussion only on track 2 and guitar only in track 3 which can be dangerous if i start a guitar loop and i am in track one for ex. As for not being able to mute channels grab faders etc. and avoiding grabbing the mouse solution,if is not possible and have to get a mixer then i ask myself if is really convenient and faster to setup going this route.There is a mixer,a soundcard and a fragile laptop which have to be sitted somehow on a flat table because i havent seen a way to mount them all together conveniently, the less time connecting cables the better.With my hardware setup there would be a looperlative or EDP,rackmount mixer and perhaps an efx proccesor all connected in a rack ready to go.offcourse i am not counting setting up the floor efx midi pedal etc. I am sure as far as weight and transport nothing beats a laptop flying overseas but right now i am thinking of setting up fast "pub proof" reliable and efficiently on a frequent gigging situation.Perhaps laptop will be for overseas and hardware for home, right now i am experimenting with both,see what comes out of this. It also occurs to me that at Y2K8 there were probably 2 people only with laptops i thought i was probably going to be one of the few with hardware but was surprised that the majority had hardware! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 7:58 AM > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports > on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in > mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go > stereo into your soundcard when looping different > instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using > the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able > to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all > cost having to grab that damn mouse! > > cheers > > Luis > > > Hi Luis, > > I have the same priorities as you, and I did that routing > in Bidule by > dragging virtual cables from the soundgard's differnt > input to the > Mobius input that equals the Selected Track in Mobius. I > also use > Bidule for muting physical inputs not in use. > > However, that was on Windows with the Mobius VST, but now > after moving > over to use the Mobius Mac beta I have been thinking about > this > related to the standalone Mobius version and I'm afraid > can't see a > way to do it. I will probably keep on using Mobius > standalone on Mac, > because that way my "effect rig" of choice > MainStage is reliably slave > syncing to Mobius, so I too need to find a way to to lead > four analog > inputs into each one of Mobius track inputs. > > Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track > Setup > Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from > many > physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:01:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7653BE84; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WXT+q+j5EjxCFZ2OWRaMX6UXqLermUBaiE400U2VnHg=; b=DfHo5YvMq/Dx3ck/auPFuMGLu4I5vwu4QfIZBxJBvd/vQOAbNfshZy1x2I995f0z5N Eg6+GBlvAy3znbDSPv8Kwm5g3FuuiUVht3kta7m9bf6PtbOrTjGMZlwzBiZv8F7wDPxb sfXNhI9PqBftncj2NCga6JtPTB5CxA32KxmOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cDk2vVhiAAGMgJOgkkGsaQzoYkMn/cxhfCuhwEXwyod/TR/suPyldZzwqddf0KnRq1 jx7of/DWLPHT8mZRzShsohO8mOQI/4EV3nTZwgmwBodsqoJtbINC0BVziF9qCIbkVQtA eGeviX8QeB0x8Gby7ixp0Dexm+6EZkNRYBJ/Q= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:01:44 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619" References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but > for > > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured > to > > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have > an > > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > > > Dennis, > > That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > > But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > minute...) > > I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > mode during certain algorithms. > > Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > and the USD 25 license is picked up at > http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you sho= uld be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine,= run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/loc= al server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibi= lity of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because= I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run t= he software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background ri= ght now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of= that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can= actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet ca= ble should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet= crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it woul= d probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rat= her than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0= since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, r= ather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ..= . basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresse= s such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them= to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which= are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); = the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I= do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford th= e computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of= tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work be= tter if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machine= s, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by desc= ribing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site th= at Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2= 008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wro= te:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis wh= enever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, act= ually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, bu= t for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the mo= st
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCa= st.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide= a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be= configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to= have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.


Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Sc= reen%20Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186562.



--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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Then use a MIDI pedal or laptop key to swap between them. This doesn't help if you need to assign multiple physical inputs to one particular Mobius Track Input, though. But for muting instuments/mics not in use it's a perfect solution. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA4A3BE8F; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KDw749S/F0PhVx1uTSNKm5Y9nVnBrwcMK4zo3RTC73LH+25mSWarLG2yquLqO0Y1zVtzmnzwpybQypSy4SohuDdghUKt8HAz72aF0H8IVma6uoCqGS9r5BVNnx+6Ad6WcAh+XXEowMgKuGQgx3cCZdT/r5ndKoI5yt1V6zKJKJQ=; X-YMail-OSG: lZQH1cgVM1mdE7O_IgALXp74rp11oZZ_yszfHnn6m6j7w6GZ4TI.i_K5THOv8_IH5VG8IcsaG1EKbhSL.MK7wwnF_aWp_1wux5K4Welmtc1EV3EqNjtg3_v4BDj5PZHzx9UXngR6o9tmuNLjCcx8SENiv84- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011121y60cf0dc3u67ee87a9a2e64277@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <682553.17868.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) very good idea!! i wish there was a soundcard "midi mixer" where mute buttons faders and so fort could all be programed,Rainer was mentioning the Behringer BCF-2000 but i dont think it will work with any of the soundcard virtual mixers,will it? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:21 AM > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports > on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in > mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go > stereo into your soundcard when looping different > instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using > the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able > to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all > cost having to grab that damn mouse! > > cheers > > Luis > > > Hey Luis, > > I just had another idea that might help you: Set up > different presets > in Mobius for all your input combinations! 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--=_GK5TFHBGksx-DXj1CYq7jw-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:54:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309093BE89; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:54:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup > Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many > physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this hasn't come up before. I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port merging in the host or have an audio interface that supports mix busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 19:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C6E3BE88; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EiJzcHDzsIYIMIAzE+RqbpfxRXkK53cg1edTqQu9d34=; b=RcdOSDgoXW2fG33wdobqraAljd5QnPgRyoIVpQTf6nynz4nNx492A6OqIp2TYB6QGo rJV1uVj/8cxenQg8sLgoWa43IMJwOQJzqdpxoeDHNq0lLQQzP4RW6/nJl5CwJtigMwwp 30k/jgb6k8B+R7SYgWxdoFETJN2nju84qHD5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iznDFaHtXot5H2vRIh9ad49mMbNWqa1mABH64GNrquGtMIf5VtENX8eJsQ4396vpUO aWCdIlYAePMVI+EbR8DAQipeYLCYftFjrHEIBur5XpR/OWQDctz72/lwZrbeJiiSXoDC Uxf5coyzWcbDLkC+GXY+/lenJsy2zNLwfPzTI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:41:24 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) >> Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup >> Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many >> physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this hasn't come up before. > I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port > merging in the host or have an audio interface that supports mix > busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. > > Jeff I'm now using MainStage slave synced to Mobius first loop's tempo and that works like a dream, so I guess I will stick to that rather than going back to a Mobius AU plug-in (if Apple doesn't fix the bug in MainStage that makes it crash when syncing to a tempo master AU plug-in). I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple inputs to each Mobuis track. The other two solutions, that I'm stuck with for now, is to (1) set up four clones of each MainStage sound patch, only differing in that they target different physical audio inputs. That's not very elegant and it eats up all my available patch call pedals and MIDI Program Change numbers. I could also (2) manually change the MainStage patch input on the screen. But that looks stupid and interferes with playing the music. I don't like having to watch the screen and I appreciate the possibility to stuff away the laptop on the stage floor under a chair somewhere safe behind me. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 20:29:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3BA33BE86; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:29:29 UTC User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.12.0.080729 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:22:47 -0700 Subject: OT: CodeWeavers From: Qua Veda To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT: CodeWeavers Thread-Index: Ack8X5qYYFp64uJxCEaOhDLTEKIBig== In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3eN7k.A.P7H.pwLDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +0000 (UTC) I see that CodeWeavers is now registering users and allowing us to get the download s/w for running Windows applications directly on Intel Macs. Has anyone got it running yet? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 20:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3AFF3BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=IO1kmDjqEHO+LaiBw7VUNIBxHRUU+yJNx9DMC0S44As=; b=Au5m0Tt0xCvz4v3OY2VoXo3JYVDFY/y450u5SnC5Tn1rgKfe1Yp+yJbnb1hRy5aLCg 5X8kevl6m/r0Inb+/vBoRBCtJ9MnfvomfMIXu8jdaXc6TKOoUSGqZTvJuYxZpuBpvtFh ZXDxIm2SI+tEX/DYR9KvjsYv3/M5Sz8qHMxfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HARg/G/umAHR2lTN1nR5mXngQ1QtW7IXeT5f7ioY6wCn7inZ/2edJL01DmsvC0+82y q8PGtxjTgpE45yNUTrgMtKdgBCfVubGt0aaFoQy2pWNEopZb1jdZVgz7E2a2+tDFE+ug nm8cFwR9vHSAQFjDR+m46VklH3+qu070ZnX+Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:35:47 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: CodeWeavers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8daef8cb0af5f564 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) yea, I registered my free copy and played team fortress 2. worked like a charm. i also tried audiosurf which failed miserably. but overall the application is great for every app supported, and they do a pretty good job of bringing new apps onto that list. 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I am now at Philippine and i  have written on several occasions to the company but the director explained to me that i have to present a foreigner to stand for me to merit the clause of the accord signed with the company by my late husband.
 
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Hurry before someone else does! --0-595871752-1225571962=:40534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF923BE89; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4456D273-AFEC-48B5-9889-C3B289B1FBFB@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:07:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) I haven't used Fusion, but I've used other VMware products and if it works the same it is a "virtualizer" rather than an "emulator" like Wine. Emulators provide an environment that looks similar to Windows to the application, but it isn't really Windows. This works well for some applications but it can add overhead and typically has problems for applications that need relatively low level access to devices. This includes audio applications that use ASIO drivers for audio devices. I've heard AudioMulch runs under Wine on Linux, but many don't. I think someone tried to run standalone Mobius under Wine and it didn't work but I don't remember what the problems were. AFAIK you can't use Wine to wrap a Windows VST and use that in a Mac version of Ableton. You would have to run a Windows version of Ableton itself under Wine, then have it load Windows VSTs. I've never heard of anyone doing that successfully. A virtualizer like VMWare runs an actual copy of Windows inside another OS. These usually work better than emulators but they still add a small amount of overhead and can have problems with device drivers. I use VMWare all the time at my job and it works very, very well, but I've never tried it with audio applications. My guess is that Ableton would run fine, but you might not be able to get latencies as low as you would running Windows directly against the hardware. It's worth a try if you can download a demo version. Note though that you need a licensed version of Windows to install in the VMware image and Windows versions of whatever software you want to run. Like an emulator this will not let you use a Windows VST inside a Mac host. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:19:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60503BE95; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:19:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) > I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface > and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in > MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple > inputs to each Mobuis track. Doesn't the RME have a way to merge multiple physical inputs into a single pair of virtual inputs for the audio application? I could have sworn you could do this on the MOTU, but I'm having trouble remembering. Maybe you could do this: - set up a "bus" merging multiple inputs to the SPDIF output - physically connect the SPDIF output to the SPDIF input - open the SPDIF input in a Mobius track It isn't as elegant and it may add some extra buffering latency. And I don't think the Firebox can do this. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:31:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24A453BE91; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=G8P1f9+H4Pzj0WOaH0EoCQciaMh62naW4Gzo0nkK2sE=; b=JQrg97Rqj4LPkb1xbKADtKpQfN2fPNi/ij4YYupC7H9Lvx6gobukcS6AhOEODEZTgp xCfcZMuDy0+BhVWc2mzeWl736JCKUGbMRN+neOtLbaOsaf/YK2l/hDUA4nJ7I1Q/APBS H3vCPiYBHXCTLeSgyxZY2KCkbF3i0sgm89JHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ShXiNglVbtGpn7Uj697bUKzg7SUk3I0CZ/SfoU9dQ7vRHvdIViXjYjLd6gVoteNA33 RBfVJXEVFjZ5cGLvbRQwe1rLe07LbK7KxRMGpn4Zx+WaCTpXRwufnzgG0o5PzRiOPZRM HP4+jGgnKE5nPrU7CEzeU9QbOEFBPKi1eCYFI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811011431m12165a64v4b51e963a61327ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:31:07 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) > >> I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface >> and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in >> MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple >> inputs to each Mobuis track. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Doesn't the RME have a way to merge multiple physical inputs into a > single pair of virtual inputs for the audio application? I could > have sworn you could do this on the MOTU, but I'm having trouble > remembering. Not for applications inputs, only for direct sound card outputs. At least MainStage and Logic fetches the audio stream directly at the input, no matter how you set the routing in the RME FireMixer. > Maybe you could do this: > > - set up a "bus" merging multiple inputs to the SPDIF output > - physically connect the SPDIF output to the SPDIF input > - open the SPDIF input in a Mobius track Yes, I thought about that - but I decided to do precisely that routing with physical cables instead (to stay clear from internal routing feedback). -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 00:26:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D7B3BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:24:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30" X-Priority: 3 X-Vipre-Scanned: 11D0EE1500093F11D0EF62 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:26:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the = door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what = the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the = app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast = 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented = itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like = //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Moser=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by = audio Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, = i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and = point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is = a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply = because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate = machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running = in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well = it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running = on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that = makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet = cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an = ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe = it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique = IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of = 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was = running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the = same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP = addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that = way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to = my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I = use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 = more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford the = computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number = of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may = work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate = machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our = experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the = effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to = share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen = wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular = basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, = actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life = client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably = the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a = stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be = configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do = some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into = a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on = the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in = a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, = Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is = http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com --=20 http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had = 350 kids=20 come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to = this is=20 what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run = the app=20 on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Shoutcast = 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented = itself as=20 an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein = as input=20 as well?  I haven't fiddled with it in a while.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dennis=20 Moser
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 01, = 2008 6:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: Video = Visualization in=20 Windows Media Player activated by audio

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" = (*grin), you=20 should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a = machine,=20 run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local = host/local=20 server at IP 127.0.0. There is a = possibility of=20 a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I = actually had=20 the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software = on ...=20 as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is = finished I=20 will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the = fact that=20 if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test = things more=20 easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first = scenario of=20 using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you = MUST use a=20 proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to = work=20 properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have = each=20 machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes = to the=20 "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the = machine in=20 which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) = have them=20 on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with = unique IP=20 addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and = point to=20 them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two = of=20 which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming = server=20 (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our = laptops, so=20 that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need = (read=3Dafford=20 the computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are = gettng at:=20 There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to = do=20 this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy = lifting" on=20 separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing = our=20 experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the = effects.=20 The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the = outputs=20 ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than=20 speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. = I do=20 this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. = Granted,=20 I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count = the one=20 I am using to run my Second Life client, but for
> purposes of = this=20 discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most
> = straight=20 forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast.
>=20 NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a = stream=20 that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast = can be=20 configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do = some
>=20 fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have=20 an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate=20 server.


Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! = Thank you=20 for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be = possible=20 to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable = an=20 ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the = Magnetosphere=20 visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the = NIceCast=20 server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would = mean=20 iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, = on the=20 same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on = NiceCast in=20 a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look = interesting=20 if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put = it into=20 freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative = would=20 be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the = Windows=20 application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with = all=20 those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in = some=20 aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, = I was=20 very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize = in time=20 (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The = URL to=20 download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Sa= ver/index.html
and=20 the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D30018656= 2.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com=



--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/<= /A>
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 00:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CC553BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMeKRxcx7 Message-ID: <6040c0kA1MnSUl.RZmta@mo-p05-ob.rzone.de> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:32:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Ack8gayK+DPPAdehS3m0Tr/leCBLRwAAGv8A Resent-Message-ID: <7nlb3C.A.RcG.cUPDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) > Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? > I haven't fiddled with it in a while. You had to run three individual programs, if I remember correctly: first the streaming source which fed the shoutcast server with a stream, then the shoutcast (icecast) server, and then winamp, but yes, it works. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 03:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6423BE84; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=kMAP7EqSlaC5VumlMVCXmTPCwbhlNmSGKf1HtdSKXPc=; b=LzCwMMTsv7p9ZxgQ7dIrm6VOCMyJq+OT8pzyDT/Z7QluERnvjo+gGuePk422n8qyU2 MriprcR7HajJ4TUkjlsUlV8TZTKJ2RTwlNOp/SYS0U8G0TdwjMYavoW/Me2EHDBGC/HF lleLhPnkVdB+qHy4H7e35WKpeSMQTbeQvIcoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=XMlwrMtgDRtoOTStEkm8BuKCSLHolj4Wr26GKIqWmINezarXau7AvSX3hv0JsN6Ouu LqQmZeqK13Bxwrbg/6Q30IF9fe2jrl7kCO09MP+cBd/xhh7Y7pi/H7w2+eGZQHmp9Orw 3FxVnxtVzpWC88XFWqFO3USO4v6b7CgtFDrkI= From: "Tony K" To: References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> Subject: RE: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack8gbas7qZ1xu8XSji5+joiY9QRzgAFTjYw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool. http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi? &menu=about you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 Tony From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Although this doesn’t use audio as a trigger for = visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.

 

http://= www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout

 

you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576=

 

Tony

 

From:= SP Goodman = [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player = activated by audio

 

Actually after = some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes = to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally = supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp = to listen to it.  The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream.  = Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well?  I = haven't fiddled with it in a while.

----- Original Message ----- =

From:<= /b> Dennis Moser

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 = PM

Subject: Re: Video Visualization in = Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same = machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried = this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running = in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it = works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense = to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet = cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it = would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, = rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 = since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, = rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... = basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as = 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each = other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to = my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use = the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford the computers!) to = use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of = tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better = if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but = the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we = use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up = is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at = 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> = wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, = but for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the = most
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would = provide a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can = be configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into = a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on = the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the = same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in = a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, = Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20= Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186= 562.


--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 06:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC353BE82; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:32:13 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_" X-Originating-IP: [121.45.110.62] From: andrew gallasch To: Subject: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:57:10 +1030 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 06:27:10.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[09658DC0:01C93CB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:32:13 +0000 (UTC) --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone=2C (first post!) =20 I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go we= ll above my price range. =20 Is anyone here selling either pedal? =20 otherwise=2C do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals =20 the patches i'm interested in are synth: 1-6 =20 alien: 20=2C21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) =20 28=2C29 =20 thanks for any help _________________________________________________________________ --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone=2C (first post!)
 =3B
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go we= ll above my price range.
 =3B
Is anyone here selling either pedal?
 =3B
otherwise=2C do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals
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the patches i'm interested in are
synth: 1-6
 =3B
alien: 20=2C21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?)
 =3B
28=2C29
 =3B
thanks for any help

 = --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 06:52:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778553BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=40/AomIJkRGJ20Bua002E4Yc0rQgC+9FpQbkD+96VKw=; b=gBxjAv4Jrnn86ohBRcS8ZM79ff6Isf7uOxKwsk5eYYFpcAOi/m3RgArP3xFEAHv9nw h5Qk80s6bMfECrLtBKGEBYWyqLVnJmLMS3r8L6b2mqLi4mvfV9aoBbRBc4lUd+XAaBlQ v1KQNymYR3eXM7j0Ffp5XCKfUCxljAJ1RQt2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uq18kQlgTOxsk5CV3xXnNa8di500LPp3BUbvXq6kO3MKjC6Bwepkoh1s/fsV7yb+rF YeGAAlXmHmXD+sg1pRLuyACWY5JVlA0s+YAEPwNwWDAP05kCJ4J6hDape+N41H0O2PBb rAFlVqUkxKgFQoeWUl6A9ulhqK1oo5uxkc0zo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:51:58 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP pedal install it on. Other than that, I thought all the Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP 2100 series rackmount units. I have two XP-300's, and for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point. The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer. The sounds themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step. Of course, the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp. It's unlikely you'll find one for under $200 at this point. TH On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote: > hey everyone, (first post!) > > I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go > well above my price range. > > Is anyone here selling either pedal? > > otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals > > the patches i'm interested in are > synth: 1-6 > > alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) > > 28,29 > > ------=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP pedal install it on.  Other than that, I thought all the Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP 2100 series rackmount units.  I have two XP-300's, and for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point.

The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer.  The sounds themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step.  Of course, the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp.  It's unlikely you'll find one for under $200 at this point.

TH



On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch <andyrew671@hotmail.com> wrote:
hey everyone, (first post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go well above my price range.
 
Is anyone here selling either pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals
 
the patches i'm interested in are
synth: 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?)
 
28,29


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(Are you reading, Jeff?) > > Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this > hasn't come up before. > I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port > merging in the host or have an audio interface that > supports mix > busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 14:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18D13BE80; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1588 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:34:32 UTC Message-Id: <03CAF26E-EC2B-4AF5-99E7-52B311AC97F1@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:55:23 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got one I might sell (and yeah, the reverse sounds ARE the enduring ones on it, in my opinion, too); what IS your price range? dc On Nov 1, 2008, at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote: > hey everyone, (first post!) > > I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they > normally go well above my price range. > > Is anyone here selling either pedal? > > otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals > > the patches i'm interested in are > synth: 1-6 > > alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) > > 28,29 > > thanks for any help > --Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got one I might sell (and = yeah, the reverse sounds ARE the enduring ones on it, in my opinion, = too); what IS your price = range?
dc


On Nov 1, 2008, at = 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote:

hey everyone, (first = post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on = ebay they normally go well above my price range.
 
Is anyone = here selling either pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to = get the sounds with other pedals
 
the patches i'm interested = in are
synth: 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring = modulator?)
 
28,29
 
thanks for any = help


= --Apple-Mail-49-366304166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 15:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DABE3BE7F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:58:33 EST Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i love my xp300 and fear the day that i= t goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i=



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

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Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:01:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12B43BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/NJRIYLaMaaC1WW/gmwu+0cY7R2pWbvpPMYrlOOAPoQ=; b=i9YxhVdvD4TZYLuzU6t2Eir0u1/3yeIBGjNWdgKs2ik55/b7ztMJ8qbwag7/Dt1jab oZKVv+dXhGSJd/KedaIWCyq+llueuyV5U2kxejSgSFbrupHYCOlwrjdZGVR5iWOE+FiB xI1q2GUOUtum0Rq/PGMZ1FhVV/6vlAypvsUAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XiON6HG+UMWxxM2CwS1vH+4H/Zkag7ec6L788hrtxr8TEidomyQsNWfePbR0gH82tP dzcUwcQdTmHFW/37TJZiqA3AFUk6NGsxIliyHXVVU1Ku7meWLgaBCqGw+CpzgMA14xDR 6AEfysxZFGEkAUFYerjzP0OnfosryCGj0eoMQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:01:13 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:01:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM and install it in another XP pedal? I picked up an XP-400 for $50 a few years ago at some blowout sale (worst reverb pedal ever), and I've kept it around for that sort of scenario. TH On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece > of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i > > > > ------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM and install it in another XP pedal?  I picked up an XP-400 for $50 a few years ago at some blowout sale (worst reverb pedal ever), and I've kept it around for that sort of scenario.

TH

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i




------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3693B3BE82; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:07:33 EST Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/08 10:58:53 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece > of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i > > > pushed the wrong button again.....too much coffee!......the more i work with it the more interesting i find it......the reverse patches are wonderful but i have been trying to explore the other patches as well and have found some interesting "stuff".....i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/2/08 10:58:53 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:


i love my xp300 and f= ear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own....= .:(.....the more i




pushed the wrong button again.....too much coffee!......the more i work w= ith it the more interesting i find it......the reverse patches are wonderful= but i have been trying to explore the other patches as well and have found=20= some interesting "stuff".....i would love to have a back up, in fact i would= not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos a= nd 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....= :)m



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9A43BE79; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PpU4CmlKTX5d2xAoY9E64lzAhGllFhpsx3yrL+aP+mQ=; b=xRWmdd9Wp+6sGsASeqeTjmtpb1cCONLTtOhCpqsiqqTzkLA5G9Dlo5J/W5HA3MvG9w F+oLqhvoIEx9B6eWtbeHeZBam5wg4TkO2iJlhtWg0SXCWlW/qIoMCIyfgLwqVg6heXlt HPFYMGXfQ/MZgUY7eIbuP0vQBCh78UmXtI47s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MZprC0VAWjy0DNFP4s1Dlq5Gvujkhzba8DownWhsT1+vaIacndOXUSx4ZKDmGR0gT8 wNmTB9kgntAkdaxYBmNwfmbYRS8kjvrb8WBwJAUmc+WXQRtybGspny3p3fONqJWEnaZN b7Mta3b4CDLCie6TX1d86nTmEP63rzyxMVgg4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:27:24 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For a long time I had a pedalboard with a Space Station going into a Whammy or Whammy II, and both of those boxes were really level sensitive. The headroom between "too little" and "overload" was really touchy. A few years later I put each of those boxes into isolated loops so they were out of the audio path when I wasn't using them, and discovered that they're also real tone-sucks. Once I had them in the loop buffer (one of those Radial pedals), it was much easier to work with them. TH On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 > xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll > never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m > > ------=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For a long time I had a pedalboard with a Space Station going into a Whammy or Whammy II, and both of those boxes were really level sensitive.  The headroom between "too little" and "overload" was really touchy.  A few years later I put each of those boxes into isolated loops so they were out of the audio path when I wasn't using them, and discovered that they're also real tone-sucks.  Once I had them in the loop buffer (one of those Radial pedals), it was much easier to work with them.

TH

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 17:37:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575543BE80; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225647431; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Hu97s4PA3Yo6Kbjnd4PL2kcO+Ag=; b=jDzKLrPBM5lApv5WbZFkEcGwHFgj5jwVM7HJ4BYTigj627z1zTwSJrQg/kHtTCda e5mHJcHTsekQdyN55ww/+HHjNPEqzojKj3S3i45uLDPqf+jmF+Py9MT3vSRgdsro; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fdIyZaEbsUAA:10 a=GK8umlOSb3IA:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=wrqgzB6ziz-dIa9RwmoA:9 a=3v5Bkf9hJDOgoSPc5uoA:7 a=v03CxUPTTfb0cQh0pr4VCraKpGgA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=8UL1S1SzPDgA:10 a=hgkmI51mki4wl9v6jZwA:9 a=_ZrOZkAN19Clqojp6osA:7 a=pWFltktv82OFkwZZ1jtwPnBCEJMA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001301c93d11$e76b3130$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis wrote: >"for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point." Same for me. Patch 10 wasn't it? I use the reverse delay setting on my = dl4 alot but there was a really cool transition when going between = forwards and reverse on the xp-300 that I have not found w/ the dl4. = The Boomerang w/ the + upgrade had a good reverse also but sans = expression pedal transition. This thread has got me thinking again = (ouch). Anyone found a simulation of patch 10 - xp-300 w/ the dl4? Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:51 AM Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP = pedal install it on. Other than that, I thought all the Space Station = sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP = 2100 series rackmount units. I have two XP-300's, and for me the = Reverse sounds are the real selling point. The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a = combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer. The sounds = themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a = stomp box was an unusual step. Of course, the Space Station bombed in = the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la = the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp. It's unlikely you'll find one for under = $200 at this point. TH On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch = wrote: hey everyone, (first post!) =20 I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they = normally go well above my price range. =20 Is anyone here selling either pedal? =20 otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals =20 the patches i'm interested in are synth: 1-6 =20 alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) =20 28,29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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>"for me the=20 Reverse sounds are the real selling point."
 
Same for me.=20 Patch 10 wasn't it? I use the reverse delay setting on my dl4 alot but = there was=20 a really cool transition when going between forwards and reverse on=20 the  xp-300 that I have not found w/ the dl4. The Boomerang w/ = the +=20 upgrade had a good reverse also but sans expression pedal transition. = This=20 thread has got me thinking again (ouch). Anyone found a = simulation of=20 patch 10 - xp-300 w/ the dl4?
 
Jeff
 
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 = 1:51=20 AM
Subject: Re: looking for a = Digitech XP=20 300 (or info)

Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had = to=20 provide an XP pedal install it on.  Other than that, I thought = all the=20 Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches = from=20 the GSP 2100 series rackmount units.  I have two XP-300's, and = for me the=20 Reverse sounds are the real selling point.

The Alien effects = are just=20 ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, = chorus,=20 delay and harmonizer.  The sounds themselves aren't super unique, = but at=20 the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step.  Of = course,=20 the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and = was=20 quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp.  It's = unlikely=20 you'll find one for under $200 at this = point.

TH



On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew = gallasch <andyrew671@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:
hey everyone, (first post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying = an=20 xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go well above my price=20 range.
 
Is anyone here selling either=20 pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds = with other=20 pedals
 
the patches i'm interested in are
synth:=20 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring=20 modulator?)
 
28,29



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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 19:07:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95033BE7B; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:07:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <911372.94630.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081102190719.43320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <911372.94630.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Unpl+stYUVpnwEpnPPSZXWhwQGDKeLDalz1CpXI 6o8/52exuGhi7kh7yyJXdn+RRnsCEQCFEhjg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: U8g6foVpbGInWtBtlmVnEhlvcmZ1Zty8 X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: <3lcKwB.A.nJH.ppfDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) yep :) > Yes Jeff this would be awesome!!! > -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 19:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505F23BE72; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:21:56 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <490B4DFF.4060700@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081028233604.18650@gmx.net> <490B4DFF.4060700@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/UyDVEw07UhKrnX17PIpTor8dk3qmUfAtv1QW2V5 lAIGOoZfHoxJQnrlzRHZiNO6zrfQ46qlIOgA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: sJRoCJ5kfW47VpNBjGRo0xhudmllcsWx X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per & Apple/RC-50 folks just an update on my MacBook decision: So, I ended up NOT buying a MacBook now. First, it is really not very clever buying computers for the future (indeed, Stefan!). Most inspiring was actually Per's advice to really use a pedal board case/bag for my RC-50 setup. (thanks very much, Per!!) For all of you guitarists this is probably intuitive - but for me it was not. I've looked into this and I think it is better to have one hard-wired crazy setup then to carry tons of cables/boxes, taking you tons of time before each jam to set it up. I'll probably start off with two ElectroHarmonix bags (or maybe look into PedalTrain, RockBag etc.) ... and the laptop setup just has to wait one more round ;-) Thanks again! :) Buzap -- GMX Download-Spiele: Preizsturz! Alle Puzzle-Spiele Deluxe über 60% billiger. http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/download/puzzle/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:04:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76B743BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=grF/uxA+2xwBClVYM5NL/YC7xa2J907sPW+km70MX90=; b=RhAZ0XhBBbiC2cUI4vlZJmopKJSw9VXuOjatHb89mZmkYL3rcHxUFJEaTxIDUUFXfr 2hBI084GarlJRWKw26A8nCvdWii0kqC+CmV748M1UxjM+SlCCFiHDMHt1uMmYxAfYSbH lu2toZojoBd2PShSvl+Q2uY7S3KU6OaTe4vm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KQSnFP4X4FQdaEXpK8C+pfL+9FQ6I8cT8S59yX3mpR15F2sM9xssGCF57lC/kCEDmI N+WcHsO1YBHlpsrmpxW9EK+R9LI57MWgbS30d+I+hq+orJrrXS94vdjNvQ2kr1QH38VD Cw4koWsTiF7UmArOZyQ5D+VdRTS+NaJ3i6LAI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:04:34 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967" References: <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, final data point for this topic from me: On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer. In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ... So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture? Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: > Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the > Electric Sheep project is really very cool. > > > > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > > > > you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 > > > > Tony > > > > *From:* SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > > > > Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the > door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on > the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an > active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as > well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Dennis Moser > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > > > > Per, > > *GRIN ... thanks! > > "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, > i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it > to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a > possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply > because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to > run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the > background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. > Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate > machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to > you! > > Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable > should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet > crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would > probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather > than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes > would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the > one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you > could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., > and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP > addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my > streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for > our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever > need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. > > To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of > tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work > better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but > the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing > what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd > set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... > > Later! > > Dennis > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but > for > > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured > to > > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have > an > > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > > Dennis, > > That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > > But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > minute...) > > I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > mode during certain algorithms. > > Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > and the USD 25 license is picked up at > http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 > 9:36 AM > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, final data point for this topic from me:

On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer.

In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ...

So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture?

Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.

 

http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about

 

you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576

 

Tony

 

From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well?  I haven't fiddled with it in a while.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis Moser

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562.


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------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF053BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5172 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:18:31 UTC Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , Subject: Thanks to all for Y2K8 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <6F13E8E0E7304123AC317A1A1240F3EF@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack9LOnSAB3GntLVSQ+YQyCJkuf2Uw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well another year and another great festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on organizing and the economic woes that trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here before. Musical evolution before my very eyes, that's what I'm talking about! I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this year and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin "Kalimba man" Curtis joining us for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I've performed an entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it is the instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate a scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I wasn't too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, it was the interaction with new and old friends that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting to spend time with old friends like Hidecki "Mandoman" , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob B, and all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy in to making this happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap war stories and information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was marveling today that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity and creativity in music? We had vocalists, an enormous variety of guitar styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top users, sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. Bass players of 4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists, keyboard and synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, a mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists galore. Thanks again to all involved, it was fantastic.. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

   Well another year and another great = festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on organizing and the economic = woes that trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as = strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone = and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here before. = Musical evolution before my very eyes, that’s what I’m talking = about!   I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this year = and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday night, I had = no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very enjoyable with a = highlight being Kevin “Kalimba man” Curtis joining us for some = vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer hand drums and ghatam, = and it was the first time I’ve performed an entire set using just lap = steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it is the instrument that I am = having the most enjoyment playing these days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate a scheduling conflict which = in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I wasn’t too tired from the = weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, it was the interaction with = new and old friends that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new = friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also = getting to spend time with old friends like Hidecki “Mandoman” =  , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many = thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob = B, and  all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks = to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy in to making this = happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly diverse group of artists to = play, hang out, swap war stories and information, and generally have a blast = doing so. I was marveling today that, where else can one go and be able to = see, such diversity and creativity in music?  We had vocalists, an enormous = variety of guitar styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap = top users,  sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, = singer/songwriters. Bass players of  4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists,  keyboard = and synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, =  a mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists = galore.

Thanks again to all involved, it was = fantastic..

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:27:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E53C3BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3599 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:27:04 UTC Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:26:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Moog Guitar In-reply-to: <29401207.1225233413612.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <29401207.1225233413612.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) MATTHEW STEVENS wrote: > You can hear Barry Cleaveland demoing the moog guitar on my podcast at www.mattstevensguitar.com > Which episode? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:41:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3CE3BE71; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZqCtGWCwP/Ri1bGbN3EDRrbjQu8qvQlR525+Oh2Xqyk=; b=K1DuAlBNvVATl5IwGVbySfFhaVCQvZcr1bcIp/jVIELiGdvL7NuNjxoUf5MafFRV2s ZH2F4xlOqGNxo1/gmlppUKWNhrHyfDm4fAEbM3ueR3baN1zrp6GAUvWZjtoXygfLKo+r K3lcW9WowFqmzy5pI21zciu/YaJ+HcwgCn/dU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Yz4U+3v8r3tKd05Xc53pq97fRbwGaiRAZ8eSzoz2+eo+kp+EQsjIK9G6J8S0FV6atd i1eMZg40LuA0y9osCrSXSCJq+5By3ZOotcI7WCzHTNWmIFR3CGzmZytZWNW9qVK0q36y nW3Ly7wBEbzBRE3Ck7pnEIwxlWwb9O5YiiIrQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021441j7a0e8f96q3838cc1b4027b48f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works fine. Per On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: > > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer. > > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ... > > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture? > > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! > > Dennis > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> Later! >> >> Dennis >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> > >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> Dennis, >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> minute...) >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> -- >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016553BE7F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:41:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the loopfestival this year: From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be increasingly dominated by laptop live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think I only saw three or four people using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were using hardware. I was shocked by this. Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as prolific as posters as the software people. What do you'all think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5443BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <4CC12C6D-8A7E-403B-A96F-D539103D533D@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: looper's delight list In-reply-to: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:45:09 -0500 References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8YJInD.A.lMG.T2iDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Laptop systems certainly require more tweaking, and therefor question asking. Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Nov 2, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the > loopfestival this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I > think I only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were > using hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or > as prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:47:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9F93BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=34T2Imx54s+KkyyQoipsAr4lV7eJxuRTisUJnlWnB5M=; b=E4hg+4uiPzsFOZx8ryJc11kCLgHKRm8W9NkhoTnR5Hpj9tv8Rftu9FyqJvzYrCq4ri bKroe/QU98GecPdE3hVZF1JE7/sPc7lKqv1VWn6IiOVVtb6y+0ydThJRbg195+1OrfLC XIgyzpek69KIQuV3Xb1M5kYY+sRjNY1dnT+po= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w8NeRp9FGc/5dL53JqDYYpTM3UHJd4+pEl2njAtKOiDsO8KJquNoJwUQFBhX5Qvcug BAmfm6r9Cr3ZffMGmTn+Embak+VOc1Xuks6dDtlfusth3Sthef+7qEYZD69GOdLYb9b0 btIIS5qSQdVrKYJge3PFXXBgdsjN6QVHS5C44= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021447w797df38apd94314e50b3412e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:47:22 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as > prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? me thinks it's possible to hack a mail on a RC-50 but you have to stay firm in your belief and hit it really hard! the real challenge is to get it on to them internets. p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:17:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEB73BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:17:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 23:17:21.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[286DC1A0:01C93D41] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that the avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember the year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there were fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This is just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the outside players, Rick. Either choice, outside or more mainstream doesn't appear to have any impact on audience turnout, based on my last 4 years of playing at Y2K. If anything, the more unusual loopers attracted more interesting listeners. I miss seeing loopers who are on the edge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the loopfestival > this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think I > only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were using > hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as > prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:32:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037773BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6VOsyAEzpNvKQzIzKlL9X5O94KgmUqiUblnt7dDj7JM=; b=U0MdA9w6817HAX/9GeGRhCLFElqW/d+TBjJajalRniQq5b9y3psai8iy5ewf5zjMx0 +i8yVdI8683QhjlP9/+EKzipWjlr8S3VIO/1nOZQJ9HHWveW9PNtclL4vrHU/Xiyay8h 5DE7JJmzf/HqJQYiRW6941Z8HsMI6pjFBpfBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MRv571z/O+zLtS42zqQldUB6EY5Y5pbJo9vZ+8eoQZ72ZJxFrY8VRYjYmxxdPotRlD g67Uy8FUgixVNf9q3SYtWDr94/ZrlC6rLg42D7iEt1M4CBmDW1W0h4PM27FIBsLgv1Ol aXTQ0DyrVOBQtjicWS43BQJnV0mmyRr9JRrqw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021532p20d4a90cp8b70bd07989843b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:32:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:32:54 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that the > avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember the > year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop > users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there were > fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This is > just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the outside players, Rick. Kris, did you by "outside loopers" mean people that make music out of the box, ie looking for new land rather than sticking with a tradition? If so I have no comment. But if "outside loopers" means players coming from outside the US there is a simple logistic explanation: Expensive flight tickets for gear and rigid security regulations just rule out players armed with hardware boxes, leaving the laptoppers to swarm the air. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (former EDP/Repeater/filterbank/mixer hauler now swarming with the laptop locust) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 771BF3BE84; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:01 EST Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c96.32a8e654.363f948d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: <0KPRpB.A.jEB.UqjDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c96.32a8e654.363f948d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/08 6:17:39 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes: > This year, I felt as there were > fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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Good to know that it is possible to set up > iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert > set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than > iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running > the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable > to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works > fine. > > Per > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > > > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: > > > > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the > G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use > "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine > has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it > to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the > "WhiteCap" visualizer. > > > > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the > USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a > guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and > hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the > visualizer kicked in ... > > > > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I > need to do a video capture? > > > > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: > >> > >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the > Electric Sheep project is really very cool. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > >> > >> > >> > >> you can see a short documentary about it here > http://blip.tv/file/1233576 > >> > >> > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> > >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > >> > >> > >> > >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the > door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on > the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an > active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as > well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: Dennis Moser > >> > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > >> > >> > >> > >> Per, > >> > >> *GRIN ... thanks! > >> > >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, > i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it > to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a > possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply > because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to > run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the > background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. > Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate > machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to > you! > >> > >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet > cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an > ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, > it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP > address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of > 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was > running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same > subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses > such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have > five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production > machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted > wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to > spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. > >> > >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of > tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work > better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but > the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing > what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd > set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... > >> > >> Later! > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen > wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > >> > > >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, > but for > >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the > most > >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be > configured to > >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to > have an > >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > >> > >> Dennis, > >> > >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > >> > >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > >> minute...) > >> > >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > >> mode during certain algorithms. > >> > >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at > >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > >> > >> -- > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.myspace.com/perboysen > >> www.stockholm-athens.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin > >> http://audiozoloft.com > >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: > 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > > > > > > -- > > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_25528_18935120.1225675212947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per,

Just to be clear: that WAS a live concert configuration ... it = would be the same with the wife's MacBook ... and I'd be able to do= a "Video Out" to a projector and then "Oh, wow, man! look a= t the pretty colors!"

*GRIN

Dennis


On Sun, Nov 2= , 2008 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up
iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert<= br> set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than
iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running
the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable
to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works
fine.

Per



On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Okay, final data point for this topic from me:
>
> On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on th= e G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also che= cked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "externa= l" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up= iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Niceca= st server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer.
>
> In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in thi= s case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was fe= eding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over = to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit &quo= t;Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ...
>
> So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... d= o I need to do a video capture?
>
> Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos!
>
> Dennis
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization= , the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabo= ut
>>
>>
>>
>> you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated= by audio
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come = to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is = what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run= the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Sho= utcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and= presented itself as an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take= ports like //linein as input as well?  I haven't fiddled with it = in a while.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Dennis Moser
>>
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated= by audio
>>
>>
>>
>> Per,
>>
>> *GRIN ... thanks!
>>
>> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as= you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same mach= ine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a = performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actuall= y had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the softwar= e on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is= finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and = the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually = test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!
>>
>> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethern= et cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an eth= ernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it= would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address= , rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 12= 7.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was runni= ng, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subn= et ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP add= resses such as 10.0.0.1, = etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP = addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my = streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for= our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever= need (read=3Dafford the computers!) to use them.
>>
>> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a numb= er of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may wo= rk better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate ma= chines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by= describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo si= te that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...
>>
>> Later!
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>> >
>> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular= basis whenever
>> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (= well, actually
>> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life c= lient, but for
>> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probab= ly the most
>> > straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and= a NiceCast.
>> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that woul= d provide a stream that
>> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Niceca= st can be configured to
>> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
>> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate = enough to have an
>> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.=
>>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast=
>> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line int= o a
>> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?
>>
>> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on= the
>> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has = to
>> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on th= e same
>> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast i= n a
>> minute...)
>>
>> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone i= s
>> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into fr= eeze
>> mode during certain algorithms.
>>
>> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and
>> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
>> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-i= ns
>> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cos= mic
>> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find
>> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and<= br> >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
>> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisa= tion%20Screen%20Saver/index.html
>> and the USD 25 license is picked up at
>> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300= 186562.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom= .com (international)
>> www= .myspace.com/perboysen
>> www.= stockholm-athens.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://my= space.com/usrsbin
>> http://audioz= oloft.com
>> http= ://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - = http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11= /1/2008 9:36 AM
>
>
> --
> http://myspac= e.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozolof= t.com
> http://u= srslashsbin.angrek.com/



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedi= sh)
www.looproom.com = (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
------=_Part_25528_18935120.1225675212947-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 01:40:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02453BE72; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 766 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:40:33 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:27:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 9e614308-a946-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlJTHgdvCxgH SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QU82TBQFZWNpamgc HkFacgsaeVZMfxtG alhiBXoJZ3gGZy40 WgY+NDt0ZW0GeHsM T1BWdVxOV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the > loopfestival this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I > think I only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) > were using hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or > as prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 03:31:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48B23BE79; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811021532p20d4a90cp8b70bd07989843b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:31:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 03:31:12.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E974EF0:01C93D64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I meant making music outside of the mainstream box, not playing outside the US. I would agree on your point in regard to flight tickets, etc. Kris > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Krispen Hartung >> Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that >> the >> avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember >> the >> year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop >> users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there >> were >> fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This >> is >> just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the >> outside players, Rick. > > > Kris, did you by "outside loopers" mean people that make music out of > the box, ie looking for new land rather than sticking with a > tradition? If so I have no comment. But if "outside loopers" means > players coming from outside the US there is a simple logistic > explanation: Expensive flight tickets for gear and rigid security > regulations just rule out players armed with hardware boxes, leaving > the laptoppers to swarm the air. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > (former EDP/Repeater/filterbank/mixer hauler now swarming with the > laptop locust) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:24:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 609943BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6ManwgjwO40A:10 a=V4qxJr0_PWAA:10 a=-zhzpoNooViJkPxOSrEA:9 a=TT426aC8xHrrfRc4aJNDDAuopG8A:4 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:24:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton? On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. > > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go >> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the >> loopfestival this year: >> >> From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be >> increasingly dominated by laptop >> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I >> think I only saw three or four people >> using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) >> were using hardware. >> >> I was shocked by this. >> >> Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or >> as prolific as posters >> as the software people. >> >> What do you'all think? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:45:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DC6C3BE80; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:45:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 04:45:27.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE3087A0:01C93D6E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:45:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be = "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael I hope not, otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde = back when I was using only hardware. Jeeesh. :) I wasn't suggesting = that using the laptop was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only = that it was one of many possible sufficient conditions. I am just = exploring a a possible coorelation for the last several festivals in = light of Rick's comments. K- ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=20 kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be=20 "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael
 
I hope not,=20 otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde back when I = was using=20 only hardware. Jeeesh. :)    I wasn't suggesting that using = the laptop=20 was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was one = of many=20 possible sufficient conditions.  I am just exploring a a possible=20 coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's=20 comments.
 
K-
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:52:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740573BE7E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:52:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 04:52:31.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA98C570:01C93D6F] Resent-Message-ID: <316S5D.A.QxG.QOoDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:52:32 +0000 (UTC) > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), just WORKS. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. > On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go >> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the >> loopfestival this year: >> >> From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be >> increasingly dominated by laptop >> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think >> I only saw three or four people >> using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were >> using hardware. >> >> I was shocked by this. >> >> Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as >> prolific as posters >> as the software people. >> >> What do you'all think? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3E53BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <6F13E8E0E7304123AC317A1A1240F3EF@williamsteed> Subject: Re: Thanks to all for Y2K8 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:09:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 05:09:36.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DBF1620:01C93D72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:09:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just discussing something with Luis over email, which I wanted to = share. Those of you who were staying with Rick and/or Bill were = fortunate to be able to engage in informal jam sessions outside of the = festival. That is one social element I miss from most of these = festivals, including my own (yet, Rick and I did get a chance to play = together in my garage, along with Rainer in a club in Germany, which was = a real hoot).=20 Many of us go to the event, watch people perform for several hours, play = our 1-2 sets, and then go home, but we never get much chance to = cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are all together at the = event, but not really together in the personal sense. There are many = musicians who I would have loved to play with at prior festivals (Luis, = Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S, Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, Michael = K, just to name a few), even record with to lay down material for = potential CDs. It would be cool if we could setup a back room playing = area and a sign-up list, so that musicians playing at the festival could = play and record with each other. Just think of the potential for = collaboration. Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my next festival = here in Boise.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker=20 Well another year and another great festival is in the books. In = spite of the late start on organizing and the economic woes that = trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as strong a = year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone = and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here = before. Musical evolution before my very eyes, that's what I'm talking = about! I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this = year and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday = night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very = enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin "Kalimba man" Curtis joining us = for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer = hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I've performed an = entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it = is the instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these = days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening = to accommodate a scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky = break for me, as I wasn't too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As = great as the Music was, it was the interaction with new and old friends = that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like = Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting = to spend time with old friends like Hidecki "Mandoman" , and Ryusei, = who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many thanks to = Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob = B, and all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not = leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy = in to making this happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly = diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap war stories and = information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was marveling today = that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity and = creativity in music? We had vocalists, an enormous variety of guitar = styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top users, = sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. Bass = players of 4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists, keyboard and synthesizer = players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, a mad scientist = or two, and multi instrumentalists galore. Thanks again to all involved, it was fantastic.. 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I was just discussing something with = Luis over=20 email, which I wanted to share. Those of you who were staying with Rick = and/or=20 Bill were fortunate to be able to engage in informal jam sessions = outside of the=20 festival.  That is one social element I miss from most of these = festivals,=20 including my own (yet, Rick and I did get a chance to play together in = my=20 garage, along with Rainer in a club in Germany, which was a real hoot).=20
 
Many of us go to the event, watch = people=20 perform for several hours, play our 1-2 sets, and then go = home, but we=20 never get much chance to cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are = all=20 together at the event, but not really together in the personal sense. = There are=20 many musicians who I would have loved to play with at prior festivals = (Luis,=20 Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S,  Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, = Michael K,=20 just to name a few), even record with to lay down material for potential = CDs.  It would be cool if we could setup a back room = playing area and=20 a sign-up list, so that musicians playing at the festival could play and = record=20 with each other.   Just think of the potential for = collaboration.=20 Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my next festival here in Boise. =
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker
 

   Well = another year and=20 another great festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on=20 organizing and the economic woes that trickled down in various ways to = us, I=20 thought that this was as strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year = to be=20 able to catch most everyone and I was impressed by both new artists = and=20 artists that have been here before. Musical evolution before my very = eyes,=20 that=92s what I=92m talking about!   I was lucky that the = gear gods were=20 smiling down on me this year and with the exception of 4 o5 false = starts to=20 begin a tune Friday night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set = with=20 Rick was very enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin =93Kalimba man=94 = Curtis=20 joining us for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who = played=20 killer hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I=92ve = performed an=20 entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as = it is the=20 instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these days. I = also had=20 my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate = a=20 scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I = wasn=92t=20 too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, = it was=20 the interaction with new and old friends that makes this Festival so=20 worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James = B, Kevin=20 C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting to spend time with old friends = like=20 Hidecki =93Mandoman=94  , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during = the festival=20 was beyond great. Many thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, = Jeff=20 Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob B, and  all of the artists, you = know who=20 you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a = ceaseless=20 amount of time and energy in to making this happen, and manages to = bring=20 together an amazingly diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap = war=20 stories and information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was = marveling=20 today that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity = and=20 creativity in music?  We had vocalists, an enormous variety of = guitar=20 styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top = users, =20 sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. = Bass=20 players of  4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists,  keyboard and = synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, =  a=20 mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists=20 galore.

Thanks again to all = involved, it=20 was fantastic..

 Bill=20

------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:37:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A1F3BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Day of the Dead Performance Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:37:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 05:37:11.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[386CCEE0:01C93D76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:37:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I played a really fun gig the other night with my colleague, sax friend = Brian McFadin. It was a performance held at a Jewish Synagogue hall, the = first performance open to non-congregation members. There were four = acts, all playing to pay tribute to musicians who had passed away in the = last few years. I dedicated our performance to Derek Bailey. The first = act was in the Noise genre, two guys using their laptops to process the = sound track of Forbidden Planet, with the movie running as a = backdrop....very cool. The second act was an old school country band, = like the 1930's to 1950's stuff. We played next, and then next group was = more rock/blues/psychedelic rock. Great span of genres. Anyway, here is our set. I was much more minimalist with the effects = than usul, but was using my random max/msp looper the whole time. Very = enjoyable and dynamic set for me, and one of the few where I felt "in = the moment" almost the entire time. http://www.box.net/shared/nkud7cbnpy Kris ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I played a really fun gig the other = night with my=20 colleague, sax friend Brian McFadin. It was a performance held at=20 a Jewish Synagogue hall, the first performance open to = non-congregation=20 members. There were four acts, all playing to pay tribute to musicians = who had=20 passed away in the last few years. I dedicated our performance to = Derek=20 Bailey. The first act was in the Noise genre, two guys using their = laptops to=20 process the sound track of Forbidden Planet, with the movie running as a = backdrop....very cool. The second act was an old school country band, = like the=20 1930's to 1950's stuff. We played next, and then next group was more=20 rock/blues/psychedelic rock. Great span of genres.

Anyway, here is our set. I was much more minimalist with the = effects=20 than usul, but was using my random max/msp looper the whole time. Very = enjoyable=20 and dynamic set for me, and one of the few where I felt "in the moment" = almost=20 the entire time.
 
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D2E3BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> References: <015d01c93a8a$bb2a4fe0$0300000a@ERDEMOLD><66f9cc1e0810300843r659ee952w7975 c8e588571a90@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:57:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: freeware for macbook pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) btw, I am looking for freeware "Model maker" for Hartmann Neuron VS. it hard to find now, anyone have it? Sunao At 9:48 PM +0100 08.10.30, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Erdem Helvacioglu > wrote: > >>> looking for interesting freeware sound design, edit etc tools for mac. any >>> help, links will be much appreciated. > > >In earlier posts answering to this I forgot to mention the Crossfade >Loop Synth and Augsustus Loop from Expert Sleepers. Not "free >plug-ins" but good value for the money. Demo versions available to >make up ones mind. >http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > >-- >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >www.myspace.com/perboysen >www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 09:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0063BE77; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=//qu4og+16z0Wl6EgPy3QRDHzYEFBj/sRX/g2wfIMDY=; b=mbeLX+NGK9BcC7rEfmhfWudk9mJXHg1vAJENJ9ADVAUqmrNRv3BBTV7/4sJbQ4TVS0 NzK2j3/tk8RCo0hq0ezNg4S+Ahz4qem+cOe6rbc3He5XGM4eapc0NeAjB7GWu0Bk2Rxt 2PQNq3qpSYXkdGwSGY13R3yUt47aEOBM9LDdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NvbHKqiYFlpNChZW7LkaYSuWrYOi1t8VxvDHXMggOxVEXvGyjJy44XLnq+mKB0pmaS oB1M8qAHpkueP6zJfMaOE/hpR/Eqxc0glU7E1qJlHi0RQK9FTclc3uk8esusNEp48NWD YJlTUUL/kuxoV4w6JrSevXZXgt24TniiPXs+8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811030119l1ed07b93i5776471b812a64a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:19:18 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> <66f9cc1e0811021441j7a0e8f96q3838cc1b4027b48f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Sure, but I was talking about me - not you ;-)) My main task is to set up an easy to handle live graphics solution. But since my available time is limited I can't promise I will be able to record video and post (as you suggested us in your latest post). That's what I was trying to communicate. Thanks again for all great information! Per On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Per, > > Just to be clear: that WAS a live concert configuration ... it would be the > same with the wife's MacBook ... and I'd be able to do a "Video Out" to a > projector and then "Oh, wow, man! look at the pretty colors!" > > *GRIN > > Dennis > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up >> iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert >> set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than >> iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running >> the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable >> to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works >> fine. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >> > >> > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: >> > >> > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the >> > G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use >> > "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine >> > has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it >> > to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the >> > "WhiteCap" visualizer. >> > >> > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the >> > USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a >> > guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and >> > hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the >> > visualizer kicked in ... >> > >> > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do >> > I need to do a video capture? >> > >> > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! >> > >> > Dennis >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: >> >> >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the >> >> Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here >> >> http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to >> >> the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what >> >> the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app >> >> on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' >> >> of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an >> >> active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as >> >> well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, >> >> i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it >> >> to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a >> >> possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply >> >> because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to >> >> run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the >> >> background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. >> >> Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate >> >> machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to >> >> you! >> >> >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet >> >> cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an >> >> ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, >> >> it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP >> >> address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of >> >> 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was >> >> running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same >> >> subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses >> >> such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have >> >> five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production >> >> machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted >> >> wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to >> >> spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. >> >> >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of >> >> tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work >> >> better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but >> >> the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing >> >> what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd >> >> set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> >> >> Later! >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser >> >> wrote: >> >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> >> > >> >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis >> >> > whenever >> >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, >> >> > actually >> >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, >> >> > but for >> >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the >> >> > most >> >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. >> >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream >> >> > that >> >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be >> >> > configured to >> >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some >> >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to >> >> > have an >> >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> >> >> Dennis, >> >> >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the >> >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> >> minute...) >> >> >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find >> >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> >> http://audiozoloft.com >> >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: >> >> 11/1/2008 9:36 AM >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> > http://audiozoloft.com >> > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 09:43:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC08B3BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Hve7YpNjU0FwqfVepENdj5I1MHdh0emVb1GSziYtOwxcm5D6Z2p5/qzKBT89CYftcmHDwCcVgXFDx5qmLfY6BIEKKfzFBLg/EdlGeMUigpAmGfff4tHLHnlgtSqmWxjgCZQn6Qd3Fk14apouwauoc8xpVhDotZwzRWGD1NttcS8=; X-YMail-OSG: Tf_bVZsVM1lqryJKKPdgijT8P07Ygho1gX_1QRacZcOPrz0DxpSfaOAL4BxEO_1olm_CYJmec63cBxUBS3z998DFwXtE1hwUvkrHBv5nn4CLXlnag5kZ7LYFbbKuQQVMCvZy.QlyPYOu3DTSedvxaK1p68Ry2sH3i2DWFt4x8r.N4eHFkez0YpfqlkQrhnuQdPLwIJdv1d1KC4U- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <190150.62133.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:43:26 +0000 (UTC) hey Gang, Because of my dislike of computer mouses and virtual mixers i need to get a= compact hardware mixer, ive been checking the edirol M series out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcwsLvYDgXNc any comments on this or has anybody used them?i am experimenting with my pe= rhaps future flying laptop setup which would consists of a macbook, presonu= s firebox,digital mixer.On the mixer i need at least 2 very good preamps,at= least 3 band EQ,and good on board FXs(specially reverb)to use with voice a= nd acoustic guitars. Also i would have to find some sort of flat case for a= ll of this to have everything conected and ready to go. The g=E4ng cases seem quite nice http://www.gaeng-case.de/benkler/gaeng/homepage.nsf/wstart?OpenFrameSet&Fra= me=3Dmain&Src=3D%2Fbenkler%2Fgaeng%2Fhomepage.nsf%2F(3wContent)%2F%24first%= 3FOpenDocument%26AutoFramed hey giging laptopers any gear pics or examples of your gear? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 10:28:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA093BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <015d01c93a8a$bb2a4fe0$0300000a@ERDEMOLD><66f9cc1e0810300843r659ee952w797 5 c8e588571a90@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:27:56 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: freeware for macbook pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:28:07 +0000 (UTC) At 2:57 PM +0900 11/3/08, Sunao Inami wrote: > >I am looking for freeware "Model maker" for Hartmann Neuron VS. >it hard to find now, anyone have it? Sunao, I think I may have a copy of it on my old G4 laptop. I did bring my Neuron VS over the big puddle, so I've definitely got that here. I'm not sure if I brought the installation package or just the executables for Model Maker, though. Give me a bit to dig it out and check. I may be able to help you out. --m. -- _____ "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 13:02:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970A23BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:02:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/yHQt9NiryFWHzpoJj6i7ntPFERLnTpMM7T9pvlJ Oaa38d4qWyeEfXapYmzcu8a/UHY/T1XPKUUA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Y8E9fQt1f2IsYv5yl21oZTN4dWxlcxZt X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. >> Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), just WORKS :) Some thoughts: - Laptops with SW loopers etc. definitely have a higher level of complexity than pure hardware setup. - Naturally, this may result in more questions on LD. - There is more innovation happening on SW loopers currently. - There could be a lot of people out there who do experiment with computer looping but still rely on hardware for performances. Definitely interesting, though. More encouragement for me to stick to my RC-50 setup ;-) best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:27:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5071B3BE77; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BkUl5zLDy2IA:10 a=Z3_4CTqmPD4A:10 a=McHVJGf5M4wDg7LkcMoA:9 a=eIb0qrmgAR73AMMkZ81iEhfUyaMA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:27:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to work. Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:51:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 438273BE80; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IB3DbEmxikpjd/ufhTvJ6Hz4fzYm1XqX21nzA1ORuG/bs5LmodVwBWWDkpGDRanfNH5k9l6glhZka7bdD7lhdIThswtZu234MbVgYRqNUWR2Xzb7GPhxmFdkPXp+3WZ5VeuPjgQMU9pOJO2N+J3qRFbVB/uZGG6+THYwxLXRQXc=; X-YMail-OSG: kdvY10QVM1lb2H7J4Y8a8syCq51bMb1cs3m5X9kShMVzzoVYuMnTg_oPlnjoPtG8ofrYki8ALdYuR7i5tc3JF8stAyCVhUr75dor22pkxQBn5DllK_OqfwG4QyEmcPzEp2cazACJNk2GVY6R8fRdPM._yLw- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20081103125429.18630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <833274.73124.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanx for your great tips Buzap, i am checking the edirol one out mainly because of its size,the xenyx 1202fx seems also very compact and has all features for the price, and the new mackie pro fx8 which is not available yet looks really good! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. > To: labaloops@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:54 AM > Hi Luis > > haven't tried that particular mixer, but from similar > experience with the Mackie Onyx with Firewire, here are some > impressions: > Real mixer is great because it's WYSIWYG (what you see > is what you get). You don't have to worry about routing > paths, have direct access to faders etc. Personally, I also > have the Edirol MX-10 (mini) mixer and I like it's > quality and features. The digital mixer should have a > similar feel to it. > Then again, for a Livelooping setup, I would really prefer > a pure audio interface + midi controls. More often than > not, I found a digital mixer quite annoying with it's > limitations: Audio routing/FX sends, Panning, EQ... > Sometimes you just simply would like to be more flexible on > these things, i.e. just press a midi pedal and have a > completely different FX path, or play around with panning > using an expression pedal, or use different presets for > EQing one mic (vocal/instrument)... > If I - one day ;-) - eventually really move to a real > mobile laptop setup, this would be one of the main reasons > for me. > > If you consider alternatives, you might also want to take a > look at the new Motu Ultralite MK3 which has built-in > Compressor,EQ,Reverbs. > But I guess you have your reasons for choosing a > "real" mixer. > > good luck with your setup! > Buzap > > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:54:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E471A3BE87; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PNr3y5wp+KZ8NmEljjSqT27TLI+hhpvWUqrQcVKEW7fLNnDtCAFYKeQN9gfp9VtmA5bCGtvYhFgtmUqPotW2KpPpbua642YnPyRPRmRGp+w7cb93pZvim6VnUgiBES01XCXsU8Yusf6JjJQz6fBhr5Y8AC63cpIdsr3rRmyBtHA=; X-YMail-OSG: Sg6CbwwVM1l0NBb5WAG0ymg2W58Td65MdK6PMY0k.1ERt4sNmM1Khx9hB3trQSxHF56WDzdQm5uuG4TIK_.dyDAT4k4vp5krjrO5rAMqaiIq4EKD.bdFE2m5zgI5Bl2MdOIYCHPfMvbY9uRnJ8K1ivy6DZY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <627951.3821.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) oh man i feel for u,u i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! watch those deceiving hi tech expensive looking bulky FCBs! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Sewell wrote: > From: Chris Sewell > Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:27 AM > This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after > a gig. I > have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was > staring at my > stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of > gear. This > includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, > grabs my > FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and > takes off > through the back door. > At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was > my Macbook, I > take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to > risk > further theft I let him go. > I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects > unit. Thank god > criminals are dumbasses. > My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if > knew what > it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to > work. > > Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. > I needed new > one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0573BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CzMX/ZFAOvPX5IXUjUQHlhiJjIM5nHQMjYeaDHCeXQglv5X5K/90uhWkmCEmxhjmlCkxgO8FzPOFd5sUc3t2mVABUWRZDbsA4haWf0zrKjLbG+jLe1etwvvBIm2nQ7Z/KupFwv+xvsG4MxKaTS6J6bCtFxFyuogXhT55aiTCJJ8=; X-YMail-OSG: HOP8Cy4VM1lP_RTKos7s9Usxim1ri0rAyqvxooQrVqoPQQDt1_bSnVRjex0thlCVK_s7Vl0YetvNdjr8Xus4yzgyrjfJUAS9Jil0BXG0hnRsMD5tiJNr0qWpmGev3TwFnW0dtCdO73TOIKRDBXOozLG3_hPupgxykKtM8LotPQlepgUMRplFFi1Y66M- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <616935.58505.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Just reading this pisses me off.I hope karma bites him in the ass. ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:27:51 AM Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to work. Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:11:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10EF3BE93; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> References: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:11:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9UNmND.A.8YE.vSxDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) At 9:27 AM -0500 11/3/08, Chris Sewell wrote: >Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender >Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. >At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, >I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk >further theft I let him go. Good move. I don't think he had an accomplice, given your description, but the first guy always could've been a decoy so a second could step up and snarf the really good stuff. FWIW, I'd have a couple of friends back you up for the next show or two (preferably rather large friends). That's one thing about criminals, especially the stupid ones. They frequently figure that you've got to get a replacement for whatever it is they just ripped off, so they very well might turn up for a second shot at your gear. If you've got a couple of well-placed friends, they can grab the guy and you can all have fun twisting his arms out of their sockets.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:14:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906333BE94; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=x2JGxdFRLfa3D+GdvrQA/9k4JjjXyerhLxZkx3D5zTuPjbYo8Ji5Fpy3B1pRWR+2cLntp2Wjvk87IR5RBqdhXMS3x/X6oF5CUcJCRH8aFSzs+OY6iho1yKvVOv9iOm6XHRFbx8EoE6MFPZl/L+kIo5JRj7AiRfQMs8Ybc1hG0ds=; X-YMail-OSG: xjJNQQwVM1mLPLdDiKSDRqQZ4OSy0hpgAXJLj_ie.ur3nfxHMbtFsQEcc9S1cJ0r1TqtzMBaeWvDB9NwQ3jMT2dUrP3s.Uf7XWqlD2NGEZEtn5Y7TZsc3CeAVL0FdEkDc3oP5yy0f5PifO22HcZqJfs4Psc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <616935.58505.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <286586.17269.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) hmm...that would be too easy,how about bites him in the balls? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > Just reading this pisses me off.I hope karma bites him in > the ass. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Sewell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:27:51 AM > Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! > > This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up > after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy > that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda > hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and > laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I > keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through > the back door. > At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was > my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. > Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. > I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects > unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. > My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if > knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't > get it to work. > > Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. > I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting > weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:55:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9C23BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1113 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:55:29 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:36:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers From: "aaronleese@flyloops.com" Reply-To: aaronleese@flyloops.com To: CC: Message-ID: <52e8285ee64c4118a68d3aad3339296d@windows76178.clientnshosting.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A=0D=0Awell said ... here, here !=0D=0A=0D=0AI don't know what the ave= rage age of people on this list is ...... but I would suspect that the youn= ger the reader, the lower their distrust of laptops ..... which in recent y= ears have definitely gotten to a point of reliablity comparable to traditio= nal "hardware".=0D=0A=0D=0A----------------------------------------=0D=0AFr= om: "Krispen Hartung" =0D=0ASent: Sunday, November= 02, 2008 7:52 PM=0D=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D=0ASubject= : Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers =0D=0A=0D=0A> hm, cou= ld be that hardware just WORKS.=0D=0A=0D=0AYeah, my laptop (a piece of hard= ware running looping software), just WORKS. =0D=0A:)=0D=0A=0D=0AKris=0D=0A= =0D=0A----- Original Message ----- =0D=0A=0D=0A> hm, could be that hardware= just WORKS.=0D=0A=0D=0A> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0D= =0A>=0D=0A>> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to = go=0D=0A>> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the =0D= =0A>> loopfestival this year:=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> From being on this list I jus= t assumed that the festival would be =0D=0A>> increasingly dominated by lap= top=0D=0A>> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) = I think =0D=0A>> I only saw three or four people=0D=0A>> using laptops in= their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were =0D=0A>> using hardwa= re.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> I was shocked by this.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> Maybe the hardwa= re people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as =0D=0A>> prolific as= posters=0D=0A>> as the software people.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> What do you'all = think?=0D=0A>>=0D=0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

well said ... here, here !

I don't know what the average age= of people on this list is ...... but I would suspect that the younger the = reader, the lower their distrust of laptops ..... which in recent years hav= e definitely gotten to a point of reliablity comparable to traditional "har= dware".



=
From: "Kris= pen Hartung" <info@krispenhartung.com>
Sent: Sund= ay, November 02, 2008 7:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers = and Hardware Loopers

> hm, could be that hardware just WOR= KS.

Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), = just WORKS.
:)

Kris


----- Original Message -----
=
> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS.

> On Nov 2, 2008,= at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>> Coming out of my post l= oopfestival coma that I always seem to go
>> into each year, I n= oticed a really surprising thing at the
>> loopfestival this year= :
>>
>> From being on this list I just assumed that the f= estival would be
>> increasingly dominated by laptop
>> = live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think >> I only saw three or four people
>> using laptops in the= ir sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were
>> using hardwa= re.
>>
>> I was shocked by this.
>>
>> = Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as
= >> prolific as posters
>> as the software people.
>>= ;
>> What do you'all think?
>>
>


------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 16:24:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939C53BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:24:17 EST Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:24:29 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes: > i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! > boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar case until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes:


i cannot beleive ther= e are still such morons left in this world!


boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great ban= d name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way= back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar c= ase until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him t= o the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!= .....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:29:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B323BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 373 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:29:06 UTC In-Reply-To: <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:22:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 0b0df813-a9cc-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNVHgdqCxkA SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTYpShgBZWNpbmQd HkJccQUacFFKKklN a1NiBXpeMngGZy40 WgU4YDl0ZW0GJn4E Gl5VJ19IV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:29:06 +0000 (UTC) i perform only with software now. but previous to that i was a =20 repeater looper as many of you know. in my experience it takes subtantially longer to make it all work on =20 the computer. there are multiple reasons for this. for example... ...midi control of the software might be obtuse or lacking. ...or, now you need multiple shareware apps working together to do a =20 single, simple thing you might have previously done with a hardware =20 looper. ....or, if you are relying on shareware, there might be little or no =20 documentation ...often, there are bugs. what you are doing might be so specific =20 that you will be the one to find those bugs. you might not know at =20 first if you did something wrong, or if it was a bug. i'd say i spend far more time online trying to find answers, because =20 i have no manual to thumb through. still, i'm not going back. i enjoyed being able pack my gear in a =20 carry-on this last month!! On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:02 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. >>> Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), =20 >>> just WORKS :) > > Some thoughts: > - Laptops with SW loopers etc. definitely have a higher level of =20 > complexity than pure hardware setup. > - Naturally, this may result in more questions on LD. > - There is more innovation happening on SW loopers currently. > - There could be a lot of people out there who do experiment with =20 > computer looping but still rely on hardware for performances. > > Definitely interesting, though. More encouragement for me to stick =20 > to my RC-50 setup ;-) > > best regards > Buzap > --=20 > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696383BE8F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:39:10 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:24:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 38a64871-a9cc-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNVHgdsCxwG SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTYrEx5eZWNpYWAe HkJZdgMacwsbeBtN bVFiBXpeMngGZy40 WgU4YDl0ZW0GJn4E Gl5VJ19IV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <62zcUB.A.VlH.-czDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed yes, Ableton + SooperLooper + MidiPipe + AppleScript On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton? > On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > >> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. --Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII yes, Ableton + SooperLooper + MidiPipe + AppleScript


On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:

Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton?

On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:


hm, could be that hardware just WORKS.


--Apple-Mail-1-465227865-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:46:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4977B3BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: wK6bfRgVM1nl4Vr0h6DLCued0P9k0VpjIUjH7hezwIezoAON6kVouEGPR7Z.FUlvWsLZDDFlQ6.6aQSuqaR5Xm9ddxQAtRJcS37O4bMt1NGwLY9YA2JXwd1Pc9iVKXK6sHaAsa0RaHFLFFFSxZ84isY0 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Wegmann Reply-To: theweg@verizon.net Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-393010637-1225734384=:82667" Message-ID: <120859.82667.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-393010637-1225734384=:82667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When this has happened to me in the past I usually butt their head with the= head of my guitar and say opps.... and wait for=A0a response.... My URL http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater My Blog URL http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:24 AM In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes: i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band = name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way = back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar c= ase until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him = to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sigh= t!.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..= ... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deal= s! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --0-393010637-1225734384=:82667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
When this has happened to me in the past I usually butt their head with the head of my guitar and say opps.... and wait for a response....

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater

My Blog URL
http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron!
To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:24 AM


In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes:


i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world!


boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar case until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!.....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
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--0-393010637-1225734384=:82667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:13:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526F23BE85; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225735985; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=cqTt1XMWa9Pki/DrrRxRMj50V2g=; b=fjctHAgJzE1paurbKWULwrYNu2OxZO3/VKN7icuY+opjd8A4ToAXK7aygZ+pzz46 LnkWhoOvBGpEE9J7mFv3HMe5Jgy7Sk2yguKdfQhQ6r4KZB/RSFBTrCN6bOwicoHV; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=m1tIzQ4JaqhUw-q7JRkA:9 a=c3nLpMYOlfgGG1esvjwHvkwxVowA:4 a=vVhpMayxIJQA:10 a=ytkB1yksKT2ihPRkvE0A:7 a=6FBC3Mu1IR7EUOxjYND0SKh-tnkA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: vimeo Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:15:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well I took the plunge and i have to say I have learned alot. I got a = little Flip Ultra camcorder, 114$ at amazon,=20 I have to say it didn't go anything like I planned, hours of processing = only to realize some fatal error,lol. Anyway I used two videos one with = a green screen. One is me playing, inadvertantly out of sync with the = music. I superimposed it onto a video of the winamp visualization = plugin Milk Drop 2 that is synced to the music. Lotsa fun. I love = uncharted territories. The loopage is a frippertronic old school style. = Fernandes w/ sustainor, DL 4, DD 20. Off to find a better less glossy = screen at the fabric store. so without further rambling (no sleep). http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 peace, J ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well I took the plunge and i have to = say I have=20 learned alot. I got a little Flip Ultra camcorder, 114$ at amazon, =
I have to say it didn't go anything = like I planned,=20 hours of processing only to realize some fatal error,lol. Anyway I used = two=20 videos one with a green screen. One is me playing, inadvertantly out of = sync=20 with the music. I superimposed it onto a video of the  winamp=20 visualization plugin Milk Drop 2 that is synced to the music. Lotsa fun. = I love=20 uncharted territories. The loopage is a frippertronic old school style.=20 Fernandes w/ sustainor, DL 4, DD 20. Off to find a better less glossy = screen at=20 the fabric store. so without further rambling (no sleep).
 
http://www.vimeo.com/2141918
 
peace,
 
J
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B6E3BE82; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vimeo Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:37:09 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.25.111 In-Reply-To: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CB0BFA502E3734-1668-D7@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:22 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for havin me!".....michael ? http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 ? peace, ? J ----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for havin me!".....michael
 
 
peace,
 
J
----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:59:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806D23BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225738745; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=6phcyEjmzV7BLb/uvUBxFFglINM=; b=Hg4IUIziyg4mwI0fiEyB5Cs2Yk7oAXi9zXBV7rTG3qx+i8JKYg2oFs/pJmbGB3aR +kpm7TmVS3Qq59rcaNxgG3jeKN1qC4CvgoTKu0BkVtUKVbtVbA7GJtlBmGRU7OhX; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mG5QNvInJd9goe4y6HEA:9 a=ZOC8sPnA5fw5_4voKQ0A:7 a=WZD6d0LSDUX3Y3sEvobAJvAl9s0A:4 a=fY6DZJ7TNE0A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=U8ELHDCFx5hxDeB6hVcA:9 a=grD_fOSC0vEW0UEau5wA:7 a=X8oUP3GIryO_voLFU3g4yTtgI-cA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001f01c93de6$8733ef70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <8CB0BFA502E3734-1668-D7@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: vimeo Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right on to that Michael! LD rocks! oh yeah, I can hardly wait for the = videos and tuneage from Santa Cruz! J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: vimeo away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love = the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for = all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for = havin me!".....michael http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 peace, J -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign trail = with AOL News.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: = 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right on to that Michael! LD rocks! oh = yeah, I can=20 hardly wait for the videos and tuneage from Santa Cruz!
 J
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away with all guitar=20 heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo = site.....videos are=20 the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it = before=20 and i'll say it again "thanks for havin = me!".....michael
 
 
peace,
 
J


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 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:02:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6FB3BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 828 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:02:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: OT: solid state drives for audio? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:48:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 07260663-a9d8-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNaHgFgCx8J SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTcJR29GZWFnYGIZ HkZQcE1UdwFMfhlD aU0uXScFfGQGMi59 FQRsNnVpZWxRcnUN HVkHIAgEZnpZViU7 QxEOVS4zFFEIDykp LgIrMRYSG1xZO1g+ MFx2MWVf X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) i'm about to go for a new macbook pro. i'm performing with one from 2006, but i think i should have a backup machine. anyway, i'm curious about the solid state drives. does anyone have any info on whether they are a good/bad idea for live audio? thanks much, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97B03BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:15:03 EST Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:15:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes: >=20 > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout > =A0 >=20 thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat=20 visualiztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com a= nd i seem=20 to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are not for fr= ee=20 but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was a hoot.....i= n=20 fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a=20 butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot=20 5 Travel Deals!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dh= ttp://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes:



http= ://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout
=A0


thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat visua= liztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com and i=20= seem to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are not f= or free but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was a ho= ot.....in fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
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I might just have to break down and do it myself. His code is all public domain. Yet another interesting (and time consuming!) project. :) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes: > > > > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > > > > thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat > visualiztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com > and i seem to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are > not for free but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was > a hoot.....in fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael > > > > "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a > butterfly"..... kenneth patchen > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel > Deals! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:36:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54EF3BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 350 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:36:40 UTC Message-Id: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loop List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Why Hardware? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:30:47 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it's no longer works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of performance orientation and cost... There's no way I could run any looping software on my macbook without it crapping out - way too much going on on it anyway, I wouldn't even have the hard-disc space for it. To get it reliable enough, I'd need a dedicated looping rig laptop, pimped out and spec'd up, and even then, I've not found anyone with a laptop fast/powerful enough to run a Lexicon 60 second reverb and up to 8 channels of stereo loopage along with all the other stuffs, at low enough latency for me not to feel it. So I'd have to carry an extra laptop, and pedals, and a soundcard, and possibly still run outboard effects. I just can't see the advantage for the way that I want to run things between that and carrying a looperlative and Lexicon MPX-G2. I've heard people play amazing music with laptop set-ups, and with broken pedals. Music is Meta. :) Now, when someone finally brings out a Symbian or Android looper, I might tempted to bypass the laptop generation and just go mobile ;) Steve Where to find me on the web - _______________________ ********************************* *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! --Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess it's no longer = works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of performance orientation and = cost... There's no way I could run any looping software on my macbook = without it crapping out - way too much going on on it anyway, I wouldn't = even have the hard-disc space for it. To get it reliable enough, I'd = need a dedicated looping rig laptop, pimped out and spec'd up, and even = then, I've not found anyone with a laptop fast/powerful enough to run a = Lexicon 60 second reverb and up to 8 channels of stereo loopage along = with all the other stuffs, at low enough latency for me not to feel = it.

So I'd have to carry an extra laptop, and pedals, and a = soundcard, and possibly still run outboard effects.

I just can't = see the advantage for the way that I want to run things between that and = carrying a looperlative and Lexicon MPX-G2.

I've heard people = play amazing music with laptop set-ups, and with broken pedals. Music is = Meta. :)

Now, when someone finally brings out a Symbian or = Android looper, I might tempted to bypass the laptop generation and just = go mobile ;)

Steve

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= --Apple-Mail-27-472828207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:43:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEF573BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=B8MYwzyvphciKfIMKbEdzcdX83xFsEh3hJnKWs3bSWI=; b=jj3Lsi0yT6hMFbb+VeY/8zMnncFKey9BYXkTj963CihI+3qYXy08I8o+IiYPN5MrnG 88Sj7j8oY0XjI0C8e0wTQ+4L/7mB05ANFqc4ZATn8CF5gL9K8sv1cOdViOObrTly3rhS 4opVLXi/0VDX2uikeU1DBUShVHr7fycicDSDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=vBuZRqhJN8qkWdttC/bMCJqE4T6mAOOFoEFMiVIgYsLc70DJ49mx96p+6BXe8zX2rC v276mxDdMxAjQzyRZ278wQlNPBYGq/2FehJu8hNvvHexbVW8Bk1un1CqEiloq+87nRnv Uevqj+WsyHWFLqHg8Yp9GibtjenSNOSmvY4aY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> References: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: solid state drives for audio? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:43:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM, info at zoekeating wrote: > does anyone have any info on whether they are a good/bad idea for > live audio? Good: durability, seek time and less battery drain Not so good: price and capacity - but this ought to change soon. http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?s=solid+state+drives http://gizmodo.com/search/solid%20state%20drives regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:51:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8623BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RvkPGC07fyoSt4VMQ6Mdte14bBG5kPblH8eO1c+H3u0=; b=L/vh8ju+qiRQJ6hjqxr4Jkb+m7X6bU+3dxMgxgnfcNgZX7KAmGZjO3pdsIZbJC0C6g 6A6g/En045/JYHy3gYw7ENrQrirO11uJ5NzlC9sfjMzt3uJBUbK4FjgwQ3eNk7JfhQ/a /Gm3dTYMkKBDCuivV5hr20cYytA3t4TLS5nCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=aoS/CT3QQ0Jo4j07BDCkrPeUjvBaWtmmwvYOWsq+FeJnZlXPUfe26KN92AIk1eeL3L EBH0h43EDFiXk0MOljyBGMnRRnKNJ0+U4/QX3iWBe1XGnV8Wcw6A2v1AcKr1Bn8vostv c6hOalBRtzlNgJYLnHTFtnLk+05z5jbuaWTCQ= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811031151w902eda8jde25a07a97ca44e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:10 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: solid state drives for audio? In-Reply-To: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) It will also be silent which I would think would be a plus for audio work. Todd On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > i'm about to go for a new macbook pro. i'm performing with one from 2006, > but i think i should have a backup machine. > > anyway, i'm curious about the solid state drives. does anyone have any info > on whether they are a good/bad idea for live audio? > > > thanks much, zoe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7605E3BE9E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <60777DB6-4D77-4C3D-9807-807CC370EB06@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-474047072 From: Rev Fever Subject: Fripp and Eno Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:51:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: <3xkqvC.A.VZD.ra1DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:53:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-474047072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Excellent news! I just purchased the 24-bit remastered CDs of the 2 great Fripp and Eno releases "No Pussyfooting" (1973) and "Evening Star" (1975). These came out some(?)time in 2008, but were news to me. Both of these 2 great albums have been LONG time FAVORITES for me and it is a joy to hear them again in this newly remastered form! Pristine! They also come very nicely packaged and with information. Also, "No Pussyfooting" has 2 disks and they also contain recordings of when John Peel accidently played the submitted reel tapes on his show IN REVERSE, ha ha! The reel tapes had been sent in by Eno with "tails out" and Peel did not realiize that and just slapped them onto the machines and played them BACKWARDS. Eno says he called the BBC radio station to let them know what had happened, and they just said "that's what they all say" as their response. Har! All the best, Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-2-474047072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excellent news!

I just purchased the 24-bit = remastered CDs =A0of the 2 great Fripp and Eno releases "No = Pussyfooting" (1973) and "Evening Star" (1975).
These came out = some(?)time in 2008, but were news to me. Both of these 2 great albums = have been LONG time FAVORITES for me
and it is a joy to hear = them again in this newly remastered form! =A0Pristine! They also come = very nicely packaged and with = information.

Also,=A0"No Pussyfooting" has 2 = disks and they also contain recordings of when=A0John Peel accidently = played the submitted reel tapes=A0
on his show IN REVERSE, ha = ha! The reel tapes had been sent in by Eno with "tails out" and Peel did = not realiize that and just slapped=A0
them onto the machines = and played them BACKWARDS. Eno says he called=A0the BBC radio station to = let them know what had happened,=A0
and they just said "that's = what they all say" as their response. Har!

All = the best,
= --Apple-Mail-2-474047072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 20:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA1A3BE7F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rBk7wSJITYRqRtn/d583HL1c+z0pre8ZfRxfEaSmp4A=; b=pBziYvCxC5HSA5mVam35R7rTRq5aaeBYLaQHAP4r6qGhrRw8q1X4zfb8NohjyX1jjn HhGKTTSPMc5JHqOZu4UBwpKMnYGc6ZhnAcGRuVWCsZ6UR70NSb0qh3nnP64BP1rgiAKS fuP5SmVXRbhW2TCYsgYOhc6n5y4JvgmBd5uo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=WXcpSTDbVQ0/duOI/NRmK4cL04ow8L4SCcyV8MFpw9rjIcNR843JVlat7JPrlyO3j2 OW5bWbqPpL1rNDysLmjLgt1SG6jgmRsSHWv/ZH5paUq3B2oFEU9SV2Fm5hw0Q48yteBp KreQpIAeDgvJDXx1NZ5BTXWil8rynLbtDV5e8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:30:03 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: a026068b804e93ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have though= t about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from hard to software. My music has been very heavily changed by specific pieces of kit, the echoplex being the most pointed. (it was like a sex pistols moment for me, changed my whole way of playing forever). However, Im not sure that Software always leads one to experimentalism. There is not doubt that the sheer AMOUNT of options availble to one as a laptop musicain, is simply staggering, and one that I personally HAVE found overwhelming. For a few years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and althoug= h much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangments. But I never felt that this music was EVER really finished, because I had to hear that mix with a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Just the other day a piece of mine ended up on a program segue her= e on Norwegian TV, and when it took me till the end of the slot before I went... "Wait a minute!!! THAT ME!" I dont even rcognise my own track! With hardware, which I still prefer, I work with that one piece of kit, til= l it is part of me, like a guitar.. I know everything it does and can tame it= , and use it for my own evil, and experimental ends!!! If Im feeling sad, I may play a whimsical sad tune, if Im feeling weird, Ill be weird, same gear= , different mood. I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occasionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, then trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then bac= k to analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting the feeling that Ill never master it... As a for instance, as an Art Director by day, I have recently given up actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and eager designers and directors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 I knew... well... but with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 minutes, I cant keep up!! CS3.... FORGET IT!!! As far as the festival was concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... wish I had been there, I=B4d of shown those namby pamby tunester looper kids wha= t us old noisy fucks can do with hardware!!! M On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen Hartung wr= ote: > > > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be > "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael > > I hope not, otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde bac= k > when I was using only hardware. Jeeesh. :) I wasn't suggesting that us= ing > the laptop was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was = one > of many possible sufficient conditions. I am just exploring a a possible > coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's comments. > > K- > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have though= t about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from hard to soft= ware. My music has been very heavily changed by specific pieces of kit, the= echoplex being the most pointed. (it was like a sex pistols moment for me,= changed my whole way of playing forever). However, Im not sure that Softwa= re always leads one to experimentalism. There is not doubt that the sheer A= MOUNT of options availble to one as a laptop musicain, is simply staggering= , and one that I personally HAVE found overwhelming. For a few years after = a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and although much of it= WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangmen= ts. But I never felt that this music was EVER really finished, because I ha= d to hear that mix with a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Jus= t the other day a piece of mine ended up on a program segue here on Norwegi= an TV, and when it took me till the end of the slot before I went... "= Wait a minute!!! THAT ME!" I dont even rcognise my own track!

With hardware, which I still prefer, I work with that one piece of kit,= till it is part of me, like a guitar.. I know everything it does and can t= ame it, and use it for my own evil, and experimental ends!!! If Im feeling = sad, I may play a whimsical sad tune, if Im feeling weird, Ill be weird, sa= me gear, different mood.

I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occa= sionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, t= hen trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back to = analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im = getting the feeling that Ill never master it...

As a for instance, as an Art Director by day, I have recently given up = actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and eager designers and dire= ctors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 I knew... well... but = with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 minutes, I cant keep up!! CS3.= ... FORGET IT!!!

As far as the festival was concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... = wish I had been there, I=B4d of shown those namby pamby tunester looper kid= s what us old noisy fucks can do with hardware!!!

M

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:

&g= t;=20 kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be=20 "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael
 
I hope n= ot,=20 otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde back when= I was using=20 only hardware. Jeeesh. :)    I wasn't suggesting that using t= he laptop=20 was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was one of m= any=20 possible sufficient conditions.  I am just exploring a a possible=20 coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's=20 comments.
 
K-



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------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:13:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D05DF3BE92; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 750 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:13:09 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: live video from paris show Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:00:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 76dadd6a-a9ea-11dd-8155-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlBTHgVoCx8G SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTJUfzhYZWdjbWAZ HkZQdE1TdlcbKktD O00uXSZcfGQGMi59 T1ZuYnVpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsERUcVE3Yi RhwPGn0hB0oADz06 NR09YkUcG1l5 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) someone took video of my performance in paris on oct 23rd. you can kinda see Live and SooperLooper running in the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU-6oigFg0 alas, there was a distracting group of photographers in front of me who i found very hard to ignore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C343BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fJ6gGYLIqaUQDXCxakPrOVqYWLhZ7tTP9z3c9H7vzCplvcbuhzS9prfeWbbABrPKezUXAnmYM/v1LE2Q2eWX2EjlbiXAmbjiTpgzlfIfSyOz+jOOT/nNJ+uwOCb1kUuGwb0kMsrQvTzP5K4RbYD9zoudD2ej05K+6tu/RMijFNY=; X-YMail-OSG: LWFMCfwVM1n3b5Ij7tt83.muA5AA2ZicaV1HbNya45XZE8E.QoOgPyG4dwgj714ZiEUMY2q65HCIRcFbc6JFfcrzqb0XhjM.CGqgya2Gst05_L5AxewytddONyV5gR60.8W_q8xFDMcQPe9rUFBtopsR X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:32 +0000 (GMT) From: MATTHEW STEVENS Subject: Podcast To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Word up=20 I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast =3D = if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. Matt www.mattstevensguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:53:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06CD3BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=HaQX3B8/Oc6/nIgT6B/a1v7mExkHSCXkR/XAae+yn8o=; b=HRyalkkcLvjZ391jvjwqnOfyum9intMvkuJxHVidOsBWOI/L5MBe/xgRtdK73IppDE aNHUCs6XxQcV83CBhxTmjGQdvYUphmQkq8YzgW9BItai0jnex5ves1HTVlkUGBnRONcq ivzuF1udUhTkYEfQ8Z6I1VLnPTWkuxzFknVc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=oC63y16J9qfy/C5LKOEO3hm+1kxOnqcI0k3X22gPsAr1BDSpb+QMve5JyHHPzE0Mw4 mg2iM7VpaegEp9rT/5SvbM7qYOqFPy0QqB3AWptXmiZf9Su30xq4BtDjDvAK11+x62VZ m77O/FHkZ08Jq4cuFAH3z9CfAda0a/IyufD6c= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:53:06 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1345e9ce1d8777c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 22:04:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C673BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LqCrA4DBUxhBQbnuWRFE9i7F3WuzfvzMZElNcP+D5ro=; b=QJYMk7K6QRAVBm6LkgvFR7/CtCnxnjurCZXovWpsojegqolKZE+uND2ar/1iA7YvjD pMKwBjJsZi9hOTohshy/lNAk6UKDMRZIwJF5UAwXqF9lH1mloM1WAVOi82vGdZ8C8bX+ 38cixSFrc7XMmUEOIwJR4iFNoFw5BQgh2+Mt8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RWCmbWNEIzOFon6dNT6EyRlTRC3Ao30gY3qFxSZJn0ogk72EjNkdVQNbWYg0nAXkow PKlijIJWaXeSY3Amqp2sxphmfPhJb9FcIOLJGHBrT0bmMQz3qExQogSu4QjD2S5/sqEC PzETFWChcjBARpdoXcP1eLcLbnIdEMoE7RjCw= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:04:12 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914" References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... > just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly > save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 22:59:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C873BE91; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:59:15 UTC Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:01:59 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-reply-to: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <26C2B052-8E3A-4D8F-9DBC-44010A7235BD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:59:15 +0000 (UTC) > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you > yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! Will do. > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and > possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > We're trying...and keep your fingers crossed. Hopefully our national nightmare will soon be over. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E023BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=4qIhGAtfqwo3NuGMi/mvPIas/scR4lBrx7sVu8u+sPw=; b=MN1ypQROs98SbXh7el6xDz3QGpvzAlYmkaADf3Ob7I4xsxJ7/BB/c0R7aYimUyHcAx Xi/fu/tNlw/k4NYTo/yj/2B5mwBD9fT48VjTNvx0kYV4taEmS5rjVFmZZmA5voETcG/5 Os8BTiw2WvKnpmEfabXw0dYFuWbtaRlBHwn0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=erSc0IY+xk5J53SfcA9vnggCkOpWtOIxo99a8xc59ALUMeAe3qQGSy5jgCYrrqeN+B AwHPFGM/uQnzFQSZP1rRwkHxJXMOpdFWhwIekGgY0FvECqD5KWn44ZjYdpDfsAGXSrYw ltVWegnm5TgGkROnDfpldQ7QdzfSmaq+9Bfg4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811031508r6c472c58n6605a893008a67bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:08:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What's experimental? (was: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:54 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > For a few > years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and although > much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and > arrangments. Hey - songs, structure and arrangements are great ways to experiment! Music being experimental doesn't have anything to do with how it sounds, it means the music is part of an exploration process. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:12:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7013BE92; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3M0yPId8wGVFAGfEfhUmfA0F56WI17bxA+pnxLniCh8=; b=B+SThRqglzrHOUgBE9gZuVgtJjfSEstc4ZTBPi3PcY8sH2WRhI0SdqriqealXNNtxF 87yCxYh+G7zuvHCmkhdhQUsD9UgEfdn3p/DMwhW5Mj0oaS8sFJbv35JEGbbRRXvZSmja eJtOBN0wnTyo4y0MDnvhuFrXPU8CV5TpIwqeQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OC8FKlmIY1OdNcezhNSgTAB+F5woDWrPaLLkUH/2G7BBwTUWpDgMFHAky6WBCd+sp0 1gN7uVxYV0QFWS93C+1wpuxSDM8kIkmnnzTC19MfCPU+PODZo2eYOSRH79+eWlD0TweB nbzu8RIyTbO7FLP7m714JDMweOovEpqIq4icg= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811031512w73ce1c02mc197008c8545aff1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:41 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Podcast In-Reply-To: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488" References: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Matt, I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my website to see if it's the sort of thing you want! www.kaylakavanagh.com Many thanks, Kayla 2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS > > > > Word up > > I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if > anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. > > Matt > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > > -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Matt,

I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my website to see if it's the sort of thing you want!

www.kaylakavanagh.com

Many thanks,

Kayla

2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>



Word up

I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch.

Matt

www.mattstevensguitar.com




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Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
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------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:34:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8793BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <385F44B8B46244FFB69C1EA38126B9DA@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:34:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Voted by mail weeks ago. I totally agree. Get out and vote everybody. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Voted by mail weeks ago.  I = totally=20 agree.  Get out and vote everybody.
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:40:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7313BE8A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 564 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:40:08 UTC X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1755467527 Message-ID: <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: harryesq@aol.com X-Priority: Normal References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com><9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! 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Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <733610A4F8B04D69B2227586BE0558DC@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:06 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 1BF9C8CF0009421BF9CA1C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <0hjJV.A.D2E.J04DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone should exercise their right to VOTE! Just one of many reasons = why is that, when you vote, you're having an effect on the future, = usually one that affects YOU. VOTE AMERICANS. AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR VOICE. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-delight=20 Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you = yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!=20 You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everyone should exercise their right to VOTE!  = Just one=20 of many reasons why is that, when you vote, you're having an effect on = the=20 future, usually one that affects YOU.
 
VOTE AMERICANS.  AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR = VOICE.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: loopers-delight =
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 = 9:53=20 PM
Subject: OT: VOTE = GODDAMIT!!

As someone living on the other side of the world, from = you you=20 yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all = realize=20 that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, = although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho...=20 vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/u= ser/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:45:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF23D3BE94; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=xQqv2F1TGYqVIG8A8HN8fvjeErkIPMrhfgTCoKra8RPWVwyWpt8x4nPWYLuWhkTt3GcNsjWio3XeeLd6ugPP0GL4hEa+nb2qI90mMvcPCZRzFIB3Y0Fhawxr1Qgf4J2M; Message-ID: <20081103174544.v3eijlescg0sg80o@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:45:44 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com><9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Already voted last week. Working all day tommorrow as a Polling Place Captain. -- Kevin Quoting harryesq@aol.com: > Done that! > Sent from my BlackBerry=EF=BF=BD smartphone with SprintSpeed > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jim Goodin" > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:04:12 > To: > Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! > > > echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > >> As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... >> just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! >> You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possib= ly >> save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. >> >> seriously tho... vote! >> >> >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >> www.looop.no >> > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitar= s > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:48:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0450B3BE95; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1243 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:48:43 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IFNMFm/tUL+plHptwwIDJsYSVLEgMeZ9jqFTxQxWdJnQhcYZ8m/iaZnQsZgnDCi9; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31424901.1225754879590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:27:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94056a8ce911c715cc8577e6aaa40c71ee1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perh= aps a tad far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Goodin
Sent: Nov 3, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!!

echo'ing from the= main land... thanks Mark

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
As someone living on the other sid= e of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE= !!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

ser= iously tho... vote!



-- www.markfrancomb= e.com
http:/= /vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.mys= pace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



-= -
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
M= ySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinap= aintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.co= m/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other c= reative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com= and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel= Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:48:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569453BEAE; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:48:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Ack9/o/H6eXrf/LTSTWoRoVmukS0pAAEBlAA Message-Id: <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You bet I will. dave As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You bet I = will.

 

dave

 

 

 

 

 

As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you = yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/u= ser/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no

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In-Reply-To: <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 600e188baf03e2a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:51:54 +0000 (UTC) I tried to loop the sound of me writing in my votes into a beat, but was not very successful. perhaps i'll get some samples from the polling booths tomorrow. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > You bet I will. > > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just > an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly > save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:52:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E953BEB9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5LK4qWg+P4N6z2K/9o2L5hBnPWzaUkJi+AYTi91du1o=; b=O1IdflEaYkun2P02CAscmsx/O42psVSAEumqrvMp0Gy2eTJ39oqsySDvMKD856sdig sjFnGH8JDq7HZl7NuibY2lmWqX8h4TFXJK6dvST3xiL1ElDRsM2Z8z0kjLBIhgCJ99tq Ri2Ue4JLhy+8pJOcwdZ1e6K6Cc5G+F8y7J1Co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WozD3v5z9WluQmbRmuwKnNoDdDziAk6y1Px6azqh5EwHPcf1BRV2yUi3Qt+LV+uh8Q XdHvjLaKF43dEuqaymQ0TT8ooT4RLBKoG6cSSxwqyY8VOVG+0RkS7vh5Z2i/FrGGjPpq NKLFdcbBOuO3d8YE+hyti2yS4As4UptHx+nas= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:52:11 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! 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