From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 00:31:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F88B3BE85; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=xaYZEpjSSsDq9ng/iS2RyWzNJhBk5+cz2aEPUXU9RXA=; b=IcN5wzzt+qGLkUiAHVeU4vh9bgN/G2t1TeQBSoUT7Rgue8oQD4ueDhBJ4ONTtWULGN wD6NzPeBGIqSF6IhbLS6/b9pocyvR/8CE0mgHVA+fzbR7KvpEAbCCuxUZ+liSHoztdR/ 2iHEefajHNXEPPq0+XrRbfKXp3G4TIhwaeP6M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bImxa48rLfQpCkF4MxQcPnFb0Gq2MvpKQ1t1U4XK+8n8LGLYcrz/ixowx18T+Z0Ab9 pIRAKEtuOYjE2Tpd8D/GLaOQiX6rKlEgZNYLY1Hz5ZcAum1U0zbGfkj37btn20jXPFm7 xoUXXz7Y+8w7G/bWJtZTGwkFgClToifGTVQbY= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:31:37 -0500 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Will this work as an easy alternative for EDP footswitch? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40950_21242819.1220229098016" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:31:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40950_21242819.1220229098016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP. Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible? ------=_Part_40950_21242819.1220229098016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.

Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?
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>=3B From: info@zoekeating.com
>=3B Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-= 1010 (removing expression pedals)?
>=3B Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 15:26= :55 -0700
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
&= gt=3B bob charest=2C who i found on the FCB list=2C is doing this for me ri= ght
>=3B now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many >=3B talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB gro= up
>=3B list and i was very impressed.
>=3B
>=3B anyway=2C= he agreed to do it=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to
>=3B modi= fy. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a
>=3B = little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a
>= =3B midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing=2C i >=3B decided that was the best option for me.
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>=3B i tal= ked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished
>=3B produ= ct with a black flake finish (!!).
>=3B
>=3B i should get it thi= s week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a
>=3B secret or not=2C b= ut he says he is into the idea of this being a little
>=3B sideline.<= BR>>=3B
>=3B i'm very exited!
>=3B
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&= gt=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:
>=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B Hi folks
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B it would be kind of= neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more
>=3B >=3B compact op= tion _without_ expression pedals. And only take
>=3B >=3B additiona= l pedals if you need them.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Looking inside= the FCB1010:
>=3B >=3B http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/I= MG_0230.jpg
>=3B >=3B It could be actually possible: Cut the metal c= ase off right where
>=3B >=3B the pedals begin=2C cut off the pedal= s=2C externalize the power supply.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B What d= o you think?
>=3B >=3B
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See what people are sa= ying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! = --_c044046e-4df4-44d1-90b7-2a3ce90036bf_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 05:03:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FA703BE7F; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q6huzEZnD5cA:10 a=M05rFLAXJcIA:10 a=dlDmlP6X-BS3xWNvEsYA:9 a=vhuoUUumeX8kwC885X8A:7 a=cb8I2c2igiY_D641W-wU9VNi1RUA:4 a=PKjY-mI1yN0A:10 a=jc1oOuIxM_n1op0vgLcA:9 a=u2VvEn-FFkxUsKVFyF4A:7 a=wKfP0HbKSu_Mr8fbHuNfXHUYsQMA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--727434589 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:03:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:03:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--727434589 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i know, because i do it, that you can send 5 program changes, 2 control changes and 1 note. each of them on any channel you choose. (i didn't mention the expression pedals because i ignore them, but those can have their own settings as well) i have this: 2 PC switches sending on channel 1 2 PC switches sending on channel 2 1 PC switch sending on channel 3 Note on channel 16 the only limitation is that the channel settings are global. so, if you have the first of your 5 PC switches sending on channel 16, the 2nd on channel 15, 3rd on channel 14, etc...those are the channels they will always send on. (er, unless there is some other way in the FCB to mash them all up that i'm unaware of....i've never bothered to find out) On Aug 31, 2008, at 9:38 PM, J Johans wrote: > i was about to prepre to do this as well...but quick question about > the fcb1010 .... > are you limited to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8 > different messages sent on different midi channels with a single > button press? > > ty > fro --Apple-Mail-1--727434589 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i know, because i do it, that = you can send 5 program changes, 2 control changes and 1 note. each of = them on any channel you choose. (i didn't mention the expression pedals = because i ignore them, but those can have their own settings as = well)

i have this:
2 PC switches sending on = channel 1
2 PC switches sending on channel 2
1 PC = switch sending on channel 3=A0
Note on channel = 16

the only limitation is that the channel = settings are global.=A0
so, if you have the first of your 5 PC = switches sending on channel 16, the 2nd on channel 15, 3rd on channel = 14, etc...those are the channels they will always send on. (er, unless = there is some other way in the FCB to mash them all up that i'm unaware = of....i've never bothered to find = out)

On Aug 31, 2008, at 9:38 = PM, J Johans wrote:

i was about to prepre to do this = as well...but quick question about the fcb1010 ....
are you limited = to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8 different messages = sent on=A0different midi channels with a single button = press?
=A0
ty
fro=A0

= --Apple-Mail-1--727434589-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 05:24:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 033CE3BE81; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.161.58.6] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:24:44 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2008 05:24:44.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B193690:01C90BF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:24:45 +0000 (UTC) you rule - much appreciated info i look forward to the chop-saw =3DD fro ________________________________ > From: info@zoekeating.com > Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? > Date: Sun=2C 31 Aug 2008 22:03:37 -0700 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > i know=2C because i do it=2C that you can send 5 program changes=2C 2 con= trol changes and 1 note. each of them on any channel you choose. (i didn't = mention the expression pedals because i ignore them=2C but those can have t= heir own settings as well) >=20 > i have this: > 2 PC switches sending on channel 1 > 2 PC switches sending on channel 2 > 1 PC switch sending on channel 3 > Note on channel 16 >=20 > the only limitation is that the channel settings are global. > so=2C if you have the first of your 5 PC switches sending on channel 16= =2C the 2nd on channel 15=2C 3rd on channel 14=2C etc...those are the chann= els they will always send on. (er=2C unless there is some other way in the = FCB to mash them all up that i'm unaware of....i've never bothered to find = out) >=20 > On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 9:38 PM=2C J Johans wrote: >=20 > i was about to prepre to do this as well...but quick question about the f= cb1010 .... > are you limited to one midi message per button or can you layer 4-8 diffe= rent messages sent on different midi channels with a single button press? >=20 > ty > fro _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with = Windows=AE. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 08:38:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98803BE81; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=j6iGuJOZiafvt4X1FGB7gVnM8aP9WCbn+iqo0C41xrc=; b=H6BKfYWsXTD6P9VMkPgNM2r6WSYZRo1d0RcflRmlANNxV3f74F3epD6PeABj7BsbNX /zD2UwiOOZiM23QRLFkYAIiFvIEcR7kRgbBEcRVD4QPBqfBAl/FWQU06Mj8nrZqqcRpO kWp2abGLaUet3OwoFRmfxHwjbhNK4KVyDV6Dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KIzvzyjwERKOu9JfJmXhkGzUiBBl0N560O8d21sJfT7VSwS19R/dzwvD/DZ5OjDPpa PSW+wdelTwvG1t/42LOd4Kcu1TZpisxkCu1mbzW9YZqf/0rnExrxwDZ0DMTl7pTQMnHw w1tPKRzhdaGT+xSZpG7D77sKHLaxG4Q0O98Y0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809010138q4dbd4423m3830fb96a2fb27f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:38:45 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jeff's scratching - a pseudo VHDL code In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I didn't know what VHDL is either, so I Googled it and became quite impressed! It stands for "Very High Speed Integrated Circuit Hardware Description Language" which is indeed a "hilarious" term, but also pretty self descriptive. What a smart system for a creative functionality designer (inventor) to pass over his ideas to an engineer that makes it happen in hardware and processes! I had no idea that modern tech gear originates from such simple mind tools. I like Rainer's idea that the processes only happen as long as you keep you finger on the plate (fader). Right from the top of my head I think that for looping I would like to use three more functions with this: 1) Option of a realign command generated by the "exit scratching". 2) Optional "latch mode" where the scratching is not repelling back to its initial state (of parameter values) but rather left at whatever parameter values you lift of your finger. 3) Option of a "musical quantize" mode, in which the pitch doesn't shift continuously but in musical steps. This could also be set to specific scales (from twelve tone scale to simple pentatonic... fixed micro tonal related to a root would be ultimately cool!). These three extras are not intended to mimic DJ mixer board scratching but to make it more performance friendly and versatile for live loopists. Ok, enough so far. As for the physical controlling I would rather use a touch sensitive XY axis floor/tabletop carpet than a DJ mixer imitation of some sort. Such a vector controller would not only permit linear moves, as the DJ mixer's fader, but also the option of jumping directly from one set of values to another - by lifting off your finger/toe and putting it down somewhere else (given the whole shebang can be run on "latch mode", see above). This vector control function would work fine with just a laptop's track pac as well. Another thing that Rainer's write-up brought up to me is the reverse playback idea. In my recent Mobius scratching setup I have never felt the need for reverse, since I'm already toggling reverse mode from a dedicated button. But when thinking about it, I bet it would really sound cool to slow down Rate until Reverse is automatically toggled at the slowest rate. Maybe a looper like Augustus Loop would be a better "engine" since it also allows continuous re-pitching? But that would mean you would have to set up the scripting in the host application. Mobius, on the other hand, already has this awesome built-in scripting and I personally think it sounds ok with the whole tone quantized re-pitching of Mobius (which is actually a very good thing when applied to other processes). Thinking about Jeff's post, on using MIDI CCx=64 as some mid point, I'm getting a feel that it could be possible for the user to script a sort of scratching with reverse included. As I understand his approach the value 64 should be the point where the Rate parameter reaches its lowest value. At the value 64 Reverse should also be toggled and as we go lower the Rate would increase again. As we go back from CC=0 the Rate becomes lower (sound slowing down and pitch falling) until we reach to 64 again and Reverse again gets toggled (now going into forward audio playback) and as we go higher above 64 the Rate increases (pitch and speed raising). However, I am missing one factor in this scenario: the values where Rate (pitch and speed) equals normal, i.e. the value where the loop is back at the same tempo and pitch as the original - even though it might probably not be in sync ;-)) Doesn't it seem logical to set those points at 96 for the Forward Playback half and at 32 for the Reverse Playback half of the total (MIDI CC# 0-127) parameter range? A final word: So far I have been "scratching" in Mobius by simply putting a loop into Multiply mode and then have a go at the Rate Shift MIDI CC# expression pedal (or my hand mixer fader assigned to the same processing) while playing new live audio. The audience then hears my live playing straight and the loop background being mangled by the rate shifting. On leaving Multiply Mode the loop plays back, but now the background straight and my former live playing being "scratched". I find this a very good performance technique. As for this idea about scratching with the reverse function we have to do it differently, as we can't catch the sound into a loop because if we do, all new live playing would be overdubbed at one point of the loop since the Forward and Reverse Playback directions tend to even out each other ;-)) A solution could be to record the sound of the scratching activities (maybe also plus the background?) into a new loop. This can be done by audio routing in the host application. Per On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Chris Gaber wrote: > I dont know whats going on here and I dont really care either, but that is > hilarious. > On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >> As an extension to my last message, here is some pseudo VHDL code (that's >> because I'm not at all familiar what scripting language can do right now - >> what's the status of the documentation?) to describe what I think needs to >> be done: >> >> -- I won't deal with variable declaration here >> -- things we get externally: "controller", which is an integer describing >> the finger position, "finger", a boolean stating whether the finger is on >> -- the controller or not, finally "clk", a clock for the process. There's >> a >> constant "clk_delta", which is the clock half-period in ms. >> -- >> >> process scratching is >> begin >> wait until finger'event and finger -- wait until you put a >> finger on the controller >> pause -- pauses playback >> direction_s <= direction -- used to store playback >> direction (Forward or Backward) >> rate_s <= rate -- and rate >> ctrl_last <= controller -- store current finger >> position >> ctrl_last2 <= controller >> loop: scratching -- inner loop; >> active while finger is on the controller >> wait until clock'event >> if controller = ctrl_last AND controller = ctrl_last2 >> then >> pause -- pause playback >> if >> finger hasn't moved for last two clocks >> elsif controller != ctrl_last then >> play >> ctrl_delta = controller - ctrl_last >> if ctrl_delta > 0 then -- check for playing >> direction >> if direction_s = forward then >> forward >> else >> backward >> end if >> elsif >> if direction_s = forward then >> backward >> else >> forward >> end if >> end if >> pbspeed = ctrl_delta/clk_delta -- playback speed >> scale factor is the controller delta since last clk'event divided by >> clk_delta >> rate = ln(pbspeed)*17,3123404906676 -- ugly scale >> factor to convert from pbspeed to rate >> end if >> if not finger then >> exit scratching -- exit >> from >> loop >> end if >> end scratching loop >> -- if in the loop the finger is lifted, we resume here >> direction <= direction_s >> rate <= rate_s >> play >> end process scratching >> >> Hope that helps to explain what I'm after. Aaron, I'd also like to hear >> your >> comments if you'd like. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 09:10:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52BA3BE87; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 70252325/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.223.6 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.223.6 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8BAE1Ou0hPTt8G/2dsb2JhbAAIs1CBaYM+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,306,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="70252325" Message-ID: <48BBB174.3050401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:10:12 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will this work as an easy alternative for EDP footswitch? References: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3b29Y.A.gTC.uF7uIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:10:06 +0000 (UTC) hi Marcus, Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is not going to work. This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress. ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and ShortPress functions. ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset) For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair. (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really interested I'll go full out to find a way). Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself, it's great for live audio work, but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert one midi command into a midi string. andy butler ps Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking) marcus kirby wrote: > I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have > used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. > Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only > sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note > controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the > release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP. > > Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:00:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA693BE88; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 69696648/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.223.6 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.223.6 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8BANVnu0hPTt8G/2dsb2JhbAAIsxSBaYM+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,306,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="69696648" Message-ID: <48BBCB6C.6060403@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:01:00 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will this work as an easy alternative for EDP footswitch? References: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> <48BBB174.3050401@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48BBB174.3050401@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:00:51 +0000 (UTC) hi Marcus, Yep, it's possible to do this. I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP. That would give you the ShortPress functionality, which is probably enough. I'll mail it to you if you want it. If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to a single Note-On. andy butler andy butler wrote: > hi Marcus, > Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when > the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) > is not going to work. > > This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress. > ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an > edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off > > Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and > ShortPress > functions. > ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset) > > For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair. > (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really > interested I'll go full out to find a way). > > Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself, > it's great for live audio work, > but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if > there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert > one midi command into a midi string. > > andy butler > > ps > Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking) > > > > > > > > marcus kirby wrote: >> I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have >> used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. >> Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that >> only sends pcs, and translate those into specific >> velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi >> controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a >> function on the EDP. >> >> Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB483BE91; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:30:28 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> Message-ID: <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JTWowQ41JtWttOlBvXcQ6kgt8SqXhcAYWXlDLnj LCZzEPJVQFF5byQfVOVuMrYtyB+ZG8EkT0Lw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: B6beOG0yZCEEcsdhnm0hXqV4IGhpZUYR Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Zoe & all > i'm very exited! wow, exciting indeed. I've subscribed to the FCB list and looked at the "Radical Mod" description. This is exactly what I want! (and black finish is really nice... :-) http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/files/Hardware%20Mods/ One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 Roland EV5 Expression pedals. But I might use a software patch with audio I/O - the way Krispen described it via MAX/MSP - instead. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 11:54:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851BD3BE93; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=8ZHluZEfFWxEzZaeulVcuVmk1HrTaZVDnzFxRjj/Sgc=; b=nB+Cza3hiq0E7DufZvrViVBgUv5J9rFnHbRB3mIXtn6dC8KGa7GOGy68UC+KIluCfi L6kwjYvhIcZLKNRO0u30OhNoFQ3qF12t55jmZAYQ3M5n/FtEjqWQQ9rG3h3ondZZ4DOE znJKBl7FxYZ1SCsXgzlejPMgIh2Wwbf+6Rl00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=eaYRqFiGxvPgT3KrDDMVIqDj1eUdU8TgZ9vJUhldsyEYPhO4W3oUYO1HUsR3ojMkhS b7N2Y9B8Ssfqc1wu1oSGfec5j4lGwNJt4LPi4LXdg3vMB6CPOGAGgpF1s55iJOgH04z6 BnCmQcYvKydgZAdF74zBXIazuj90I9ceec7yc= Message-ID: <0654E99431374B8BAEC347C876F0A370@reddogprqwt4sj> From: "projektGmail" To: References: <2718090B-460B-4331-A0FF-9B2FDA410919@kliklak.net> Subject: Re: Air Cushion Finish Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:54:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:54:33 +0000 (UTC) I like your music, but no friends requests for bands? What kind of nonsense is that!! Simon | Projekt67 www.myspace.com/projekt67 -------------------------------------------------- From: "jayrope looper's delight" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:32 PM To: "loopers delight" Subject: Air Cushion Finish > Hello all, > > Air Cushion Finish, originally a solo project of mine, is exploring > instrumental acoustic guitar works in partially looped and > experimental songwriting contexts. > > Since winter 2007 ACF is a duo of Berlin's outstanding singerlooper > Lippstueck (Goldmund Festival/Girls United/etc...) and me. > We recorded a very heartwarming slow-motion loop album called > "Beleifuss" in March 2008, toured just a little, at last supporting > Carla Bozoulich in Leipzig in April. > > Air Cushion Finish will next appear live at Berlin's very private > underground outdoor location "Osthafen" in the late afternoon on > Sept. 6, eventually completed by a yet unknown 2nd live act and > surely by one of our favorite DJs in town: Monokid. > > Final concert time will be announced on kliklak.net's live dates > section and eventually at our Myspace site. > > Come have a listen: > > http://www.myspace.com/madeinusb > > Hope to see some of you loopers out there. > > > > ... > musically reporting from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad > Berlin ,-) > --- > jayrope > === musical === > http://kliklak.net > http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net > http://touchdonttouch.com > http://myspace.com/prinzenallee > === visual === > http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:13:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44A013BE8C; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=HWzfmAGD7139DJ/v6iAYTch85aoSrALgBTjBeC+J6IM=; b=lSNCtoBRotmN4WnHvq3MVvenW2t+gQ5maemCKbBKlqYK0ImAW/1BykcvUzx5I5Zdm1 UKPajpkinTq3DoqP54EWggqB5dGopGK2G13ItFn0PwTL14Ps8xbZktaicPxbDVfhSX2z Twn79Bsc5SM9Hz464v7W/M9ZsEPvnmiVP0YHU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=AiBxyLo0NSgall5oCj8p7hx1NjYJIlAU9vy3SgxKsHisFtJ7uuxtHXDr/yYpQHIdYX tSiMBa/x3/qoYUGOrqYOURsuFaJvk1w7+YPQ6ayNmUSMdaxeaYFicCibhfZ7FOxfd0SU Af9r8HIjL4m/+6XwAxy7oAUjCV0HzLduarkhA= Message-ID: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:13:47 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0c79c11b8748ed6e Resent-Message-ID: <3CFixB.A.AJC.Oq-uIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Just a little update on my experiences with Mainstage and looping. Mainstage has a lot of great synths, drum machines and guitar fx, but it does chew up cpu (i wouldn't even try to use the physical modeling synth in a live environment with other stuff going on). I tried putting Sooperlooper into a bus, and it works sometimes, but often seems to cause Mainstage to complain of MIDI conflicts (when synced to the Sooperlooper output). I found this to be annoying, and plus - buggy tho it is, i have my own max/msp looper and it thinks the way I do (and doesn't require me to remap midi footcontrollers). Plus, I can rig max things to do lots of different stuff. My main issue in getting this to work has been getting the audio from Mainstage to MAX w/o adding latency. I found that the 2-channel version of Soundflower works OK, but the 16 ch. introduces unacceptable latency - and I do need multiple channels going back and forth. I installed the Jack server on Friday, and I find it much better and more configurable than Soundflower (maybe it's just easier to understand and I was able to configure it better for that reason). Now, I don't yet have Mainstage syncing fx times to loop lengths - my looper puts out MIDI Time Code, or did at one time!, but I have to try and remember where in the morass of code that is and see whether it's working this month. But I'm not that concerned about that at the moment - my modus operandi for now is to tap in a tempo to Mainstage before i start playing, then just loop normally (my looper, by the way, has it's own built-in loop-synced delay fx). (corrollary: I'll bet SooperLooper would work fine in Mainstage if i stopped trying to sync to it, too). So, Mainstage, Jack and MAX play together nicely with low latency. Now, I'm playing with working automated percussion into the mix - which may alter the "first loop is spontaneous" dogma for me (I'm deep in a process of reinvention this year, and upcoming products for hex gtr that I can't talk about are going to complicate that further in a few months). I started playing with the Mainstage/Logic drum machine, Ultrabeat. Ultrabeat has many cool things, but no realtime randomization (although you can get long-term variation by making long lfos that don't retrigger on every hit). So, I adapted the drummer quickstart from MAX cool objects to drive a two-line percussion part, one part synthesizing shakers/maracas, etc. in MAX via the MIT Percolate physical modelling library, and the other one to generate MIDI messages to send to Mainstage (I am trying to set up shakers as the "core" of a class of improvisations). So now, I'm really getting into audio web weirdness... the percussion audio is coming from both MAX and Mainstage, and should not be looped (since it is generated from it's own kind of loop), but should be recorded, and the guitar audio is coming from Mainstage, is echoed right back to the audio interface by jack for low latency, but is also Y'd into MAX for looping. there's no connection yet between loop times and the percussion generators, but that must come soon. On a simpler front, I took my guitar out with just my computer and no footcontroller and no external interface for a jam the other day, and it worked fine. In other words, I replaced my fx with Mainstage without having to carry around any extra crap - plugged the gtr into the line in, took the amp output from the headphone feed, and skipped the footcontrol. Ended up with no more equipment than before (the computer now replacing the fx floor unit), and the Macbook on an Instands next to me - changed patches with the arrow keys. Worked great, except for the lack of manual wah-wah functionality. Having the computer up next to me all the time and accepting that also means that I can start assigning non-time-criticial looper control functions, like "start fade", to keys instead of footcontroller presses. that will be a relief, since that interface was becoming quite awkward. I'm also going to start looking into Max 5. It appears to address many of the issues that have long bothered me about max, although there has been some talk on the lists about the audio performance not being quite up to MAX 4 (i.e., higher cpu usage for what looks to be the same functionality). Still, problems like that inevitably get addressed, and given my time available for coding, will probably be addressed before I need them - as I recode the looper, there are several performance enhancements (even in Max 4) that I have not taken advantage of and now need, so (as always) there is a long way to go. So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now. Happy looping! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:40:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF663BE85; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=++oaSmukKPY6VzdBOiPhIHeRmLZnVEfE42AHnR9kiWA=; b=xq4Pzeu5GmW+LRHD8CdAFgeGhe1fK6dHFpKsUwjqcHCdCsqz5bt6GBzmZgIbf6qXrm pzdUlhdvc83DLsTM8OwCTm357rSldhtfYX8N6r14NyX001LdwTTN6QdHWvmFsLg4plCC lMRaTaj1uSncRpolWVkCyCGOer1n0fCGhQytQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=l77HZ85n2KqjKbO6VjKESPAGTzz5WsdwkEco2YRuutpvimd2lpjKcLN2Vzz6JJattV xgTXCChbcQyXRL3TwgbSaF0nMpicW5GM6mFlUvfGn7K6T8OetPmiqnz13nP/1YVNTgT0 BEGFyRm/++1CimstlnoYntwbg/bePFRB4DQ0Y= Message-ID: <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:40:46 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3dc17bd6c9154306 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:40:52 +0000 (UTC) P.S. : I also just got a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex pickups bolted on just don't seem to work as well as those designed to be synth controllers. It came with super light strings. Between this guitar and the sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll roots are stirring. They're just begging for a context, which I think I have to invent. A loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood, sort of, crossed with the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group concept (whether I can pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo musically to be able to find a good "container" or branding strategy - I'm sure many of you here experience that too. As a solo artist, I think I'm going to take a new-age stance (even tho the music may occasionally be more "new edge" than "new age" - hey, maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually) and adopt the name "Painting on Air" for a local gigging strategy - there must be a number of venues in the area where I can talk my way in if i don't care about the money (and I don't, really I just want to expose people to this). (BTW - about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string controller that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar has been that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not quite A-1. I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years I've owned it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up right, it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either - I did some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro to complete the setup). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:47:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B1B13BE88; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=GNkvBG0tThiMmxMflUYWt2MI0F5tPneoWuPUtOFESkI=; b=vGoKi+9VwqYX6dln2f6uu+97a8N+6/xJxlknVk4VT/egZpVsPC2m84cnkanHxH4vdu 6w+pBrdfB5sYa+aCKGMkBVQze2teX9QSX6CiJkqwearz3dA5dxB6JK4YtC/nzbKEkeiB G2fIelXNEeh7xF4YpR3dw2iX2itH0pCDNYcuc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SUiWoOdkwzwhD1S9pnucwtlZKNG01qc+Jk95s6L0DIOKn3gOzjGrnLL4ZhEeDeM0hI osxOHtQZCLCZEwsRdpZ6GTpeblpPCPIMdQf1l0Zi5XiNdyEhM/zMo6cDPjIOsWhdKpWf peEp+zpFr8M9GAz8jTu0wP7OiqU49OwWkBOAk= Message-ID: <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:47:23 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0dab92f3d7ebc285 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add... it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were 10 years ago). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 13:52:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445E63BE81; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=j2/uhlmvMSMIiv3wahy2C7CjDYari6jJkw54wCbMrp8=; b=bogGUpJ5Kt1g5ey3RKQdgZ9Qog3GCpm9M0nv8NBjPGWKtWJJTUdFxWlan5pQ5I1H0k DOdkuV2rS2ykEC/O9iDGAMUhdaifvYFJqwTlB6zl+uuGLF1+/fQv9Z0802NAThMDzyAU pKBGgN94IQlQhsQ1mjecx3Bwaep27nm68dFLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YyXQFboZF312BM4sVkTUY83DxlZNequya7uMlPT1ykvZnElqoI7XEDLb2yOZQq0Fic aRbMDkmImnagYexqcZy1+rBoSsKeBEGZShPuZyn9QTo+mICElp38iBCrxHpGmr0MGmrr EaGZAqyuwgm4nqUeTkrZhL4qobaqXSMpIS2Rk= Message-ID: <4759e5740809010652i381dc5f3i2619b3d712206d66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:52:05 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30212_7644989.1220277125780" References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:52:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30212_7644989.1220277125780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I gotta say, the whole midi looping possibilities inside of Live are just perfect for that! t. On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add... > it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful > to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the > possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate > working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled > audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were > 10 years ago). > > -- In New York from the 1st to 17th. http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic ------=_Part_30212_7644989.1220277125780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I gotta say, the whole midi looping possibilities inside of Live are just perfect for that! 

t.


On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
Ok, i know this is all too many long posts, but one more thought to add...
it also occurs to me (re percussion looping), that i would be useful
to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping, because the
possibilities for automated variance are so vast (I used to hate
working with midi sounds, and only preferred to manipulate sampled
audio, but these days midi sounds are soooo much better than they were
10 years ago).




--
In New York from the 1st to 17th.

http://blog.toddreynolds.com
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic

------=_Part_30212_7644989.1220277125780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 14:50:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F01F3BE81; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=BAQ7QPK4cpE4wR14K1ban1pOAFxYt3X1hdemXytQft4=; b=gT4cGpg+09vlQvB/r86lKbdZNCNJadMiZpZUDtjXhMmNCGYvMkMu1P8T3npHfkKdbA kqU1MSieppUW9PFLdCfhaZAkCUoNouDd545Y253Zvz60nZEndgrh6wJ5o2Rm/qjNh/tJ sw6cWyA6MLyzjdLrzcMIKivNX/jLw4gwlfyyQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kI96FbsVfH5UbpXHbE+YExef6uZUpH+1M2XDr08MB7bMWoUjSvyl6dSEOQQGtI87ks SUebhYyRFbB0ygY41Ug8n51/4X19yHG2H3y5XAyrV30PusoG9CNLZadKQSTdNcnI3gRL AKWb8+nb0iG9Snd5hGdCNgNOAbB/rCaPb6FEI= Message-ID: <101191640809010750o38e7b16frc34c18ea8057b29c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:50:02 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <4759e5740809010652i381dc5f3i2619b3d712206d66@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> <4759e5740809010652i381dc5f3i2619b3d712206d66@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 04873ef62cb20d8f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:50:03 +0000 (UTC) I know, there are possibilities there, and within Logic as well. However, I want access to the Logic instruments, which, (*extremely*) unfortunately are not available as AUs or outside the Mainstage/Logic environments. So using Live to just record/replay midi to Mainstage would be running yet another processor-intensive music app simultaneously with the other two. (BTW, Logic also does MIDI overdubbing/looping quite nicely, and I might consider using that instead of Mainstage, in the end, but I would lose some of the Mainstage features if i did that). Although, WTF, I may as well try integrating Logic/Live and MAX at once and see what happens, eh? What's the worst that could happen? a couple of wasted hours? I really do like all the MIDI processing facilities that Live has to offer... if it *does* work, it might well be easier than hunting down that functionality in max and integrating it.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 14:52:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DF923BE79; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Qpz6L0OITqQJ/0BKCxQNiqSPULACnVv3tDJQcY1G4uQ=; b=pzaQp1Z9Nj9CYn4xYqfQ9O/9yfaGlVewwAfZ06lae9Dz9b3HUGvHSHhR9q073Gt1Qa xq9X94Otq+SlNkf949QIjr1snXkdImD522eilsfvd8nUcY50XCmuC4rshWH7yX2ELIPW Eb6IEBNyBtVSw0b7iL8BxWxkPPqAnyO0r6S4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=dQMcApERfitVKIae/HRufTVUeAQW29gDkBJxgbS6URxXsJyoaNQeuecA5g/h0yxVUY Dbl8WXSmZQVIxWDHKDLk3l32lPbsf3EqgSSWbX5AWXgGWrc+xEb6VBwvkRuSR65TEFV9 uleXl/C8K8X3J83Dc5M6WDBYGijRLhHOj2O3E= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809010752o6bbb1b86i57ffdca68062841c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:52:27 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1UdS0D.A.APH.sGAvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:52:28 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: /////// > So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now. Warren, How wonderful to hear about your new directions in three exciting list mails! I'm looking forward to hear about where you'll be taking all this in the future. Since you were talking about strategies for reducing latency I'd just like to mention a viable solution I used for one festival 14 months ago: simply using two laptops and streaming audio digitally between them! I used a S/PDIF cable and had zero latency. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 15:26:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C70BE3BE80; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eNsWgHCgR9mbjzueyIy4xcRGLguk1I1uGOlnzm96Dbs=; b=te3znGHmMWkrE0wn/CB/1MjWWCC4SxcwybJZh4UaHnjUDjyf1ABkmVDjdaXpJ+CqNi 5OvWJfF9CO834KN2KlhcwZzJUFyiu/i+984Ld5QpnP6DUv5q2ce2Dcp2aQOPx284Gm2Z /W0CBTzaOmN4VgbtolGK4eLfIXfn9LSUgJxm0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=H0kpq9YplW7K98QyzyC8ugzvFonmESNJ3F2jDcw0b5s7yK+gDTduJCcf9shR+UC3b4 hjETZ8DDsOzzm38bMIjedKdYOol8mjPa8cRB28GRnKUiUu6aIk++ajrvx687LxNEsumr o8E93UcAaF3omot8Ni1ugqdxothUgOqAHpJfg= Message-ID: <101191640809010826g780dae68r24d47200321959c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:26:34 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0809010752o6bbb1b86i57ffdca68062841c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0809010752o6bbb1b86i57ffdca68062841c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 846fff76d59ab3fe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Per, that's a terrific solution, but it's not in the budget right now... although i guess there are probably used Macbooks floating around that would be perfectly adequate for handling *one* of the many programs... And thanks for speaking up here - you were a big influence in me moving in this direction. On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > /////// >> So - that's the news from Greenwood Lake for now. > > > Warren, > > How wonderful to hear about your new directions in three exciting list > mails! I'm looking forward to hear about where you'll be taking all > this in the future. Since you were talking about strategies for > reducing latency I'd just like to mention a viable solution I used for > one festival 14 months ago: simply using two laptops and streaming > audio digitally between them! I used a S/PDIF cable and had zero > latency. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 15:45:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E3823BE80; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4zW4wz/HpfX6cpHYI8ZmaOd/yCkB/Feen3IEVYxCBiA=; b=JAv4qMWiWJ921TZgf0UgjVuwtJUzanI69M60zPRhM1+6HMHmdL5YMu4F9BceDOvUl1 ljeeAw5vsPa13Neun07fxF5wvFmVl8mhrdiRdf9gR6ZHBMX70uv3poi1o3XUmqoC/mBz 7v88N4UqqBEyANmuBC8FsJCUXluA0VduzvSNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uMMV8PYifL+QiyNwEu30nL9EiAGtu6Qq5Hl6ggQbxVGW5UB+V8hm5xWJKH8xLqwYAt KtdqWxvgsCxLgNcpfv3/U2SX2oyK66MLcdUsGQPCZhT5uvUUa2b4AsuLpZ01ZdKJn9tI 95skqZqScJ3DwWfCPPVt4IRJEEko/2HjNdj3M= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00809010845i4f3e87b5xbe809cc54c90787d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:45:23 -0500 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will this work as an easy alternative for EDP footswitch? In-Reply-To: <48BBCB6C.6060403@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49472_2971244.1220283923540" References: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> <48BBB174.3050401@tiscali.co.uk> <48BBCB6C.6060403@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:45:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49472_2971244.1220283923540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it to where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are the long/short presses applicable in my case? I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my equipment that I already have. On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Marcus, > > Yep, it's possible to do this. > > I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command > to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP. > > > That would give you the ShortPress functionality, > which is probably enough. > > I'll mail it to you if you want it. > > > > If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to a > single Note-On. > > andy butler > > > > > andy butler wrote: > >> hi Marcus, >> Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when >> the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is >> not going to work. >> >> This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress. >> ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an >> edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off >> >> Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and >> ShortPress >> functions. >> ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset) >> >> For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair. >> (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really >> interested I'll go full out to find a way). >> >> Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself, >> it's great for live audio work, >> but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if >> there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert one >> midi command into a midi string. >> >> andy butler >> >> ps >> Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> marcus kirby wrote: >> >>> I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have >>> used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. >>> Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only >>> sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, >>> i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a >>> variable that triggers a function on the EDP. >>> >>> Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible? >>> >> >> >> > ------=_Part_49472_2971244.1220283923540 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it to where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are the long/short presses applicable in my case?

I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my equipment that I already have.



On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
hi Marcus,

Yep, it's possible to do this.

I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command
to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP.


That would give you the ShortPress functionality,
which is probably enough.

I'll mail it to you if you want it.



If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to a single Note-On.

andy butler




andy butler wrote:
hi Marcus,
Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends something when the switch is released, so one that only sends ProgCh (on the downpress) is not going to work.

This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress.
..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an
edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off

Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the LongPress and ShortPress
functions.
( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset)

For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, Note-Off pair.
(right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're really
 interested I'll go full out to find a way).

Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself,
it's great for live audio work,
but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if
there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily convert one midi command into a midi string.

andy butler

ps
Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking)







marcus kirby wrote:
I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', but I have used it in the past, and it's a very advanced midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP.

Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible?




------=_Part_49472_2971244.1220283923540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 17:32:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA113BE7C; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Nk2XZ0AzndexV9DuCZyNdn/QFn2Cj15KHWqFSY/kpY8lb3UvYoNfgB5RF8SrCRhBXOXOCbUY+vetckPu/j7EPLGEJ+FnQL5B1xhP6DUciSear5iUVy0Ig130RTcKzwtBviR4+MtCBLk2NjZo3SYq/i9EDi3uFVrAV4qvJGfpGR0=; X-YMail-OSG: pQ6q0FIVM1n22w9JBGTwP3fTIDp_Zatr5_Lo1N2EQHGa0hiFntapUuqJAeox2po4jweWv1V_KLLvf0ZFV4D_kr6CFSNqS9GpnKFavhhpupJYBsr2pawmysAyRFouZ5GP8Q-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: Mobius & Live...why? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <202059.72546.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:32:49 +0000 (UTC) I've read that some folks are using Mobius and Live for looping. I'm trying to get that combination to work for me, but it seems more and more that there is no need for Live in this equation. Mobius just seems to do everything except for audio FX, which is why I guess some people use it within Bidule. Anyone willing to explain how they use Mobius and Live together? I'd greatly appreciate it! I figured you would use Live so you could record loops in N many slots, but Mobius seems to have have plenty of those available... -George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 17:56:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD2E33BE7F; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=28FjINAz6j9naYZ6dDZAIWJie8YBpD8y5iF7FsTRUzQ=; b=W8LpIYgGIgzNeDaAAjrSNdf27NUwVyoIW9i3/zE8j6Z8GBDwhEFZAUmAfOyEhMEFxF Zi27NrFFgDcj6uaZdXbcSEAcTNpD8Q/gpR8e201qIphk8pj+WYAbDUwL2zvqyf5efFXv pycXoX6iy71/vU1zI3zNLVkjENgHXqM6MmJb8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FAtKh/SCDs/2Y+OIWqfdwyh87+a1coNDwAoRDK5PvmaMS07hjfvOypfnez+fYqpoYY PUrhFJHH5EjFboHcJkah1XOABgCJ/Cr/BUHvco1GpS6In3QEarQ+jUQswRIN0haQ9ACP eXiussnKBRY6VAnz4dgZCKG9/5dl4HVdWm9f4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809011056l3911d34fp77356661c0b79f50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:56:45 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why In-Reply-To: <202059.72546.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <202059.72546.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:56:46 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > > Anyone willing to explain how they use Mobius and Live together? > I'd greatly appreciate it! I figured > you would use Live so you could record loops in N many slots, but > Mobius seems to have have plenty of those available... Just open Mobius VST plug-in on an audio track in Live. Then set Live pref's so external MIDI input, for your control of Mobius, will be passed into the plug-in. Set up your MIDI bindings in Mobius and do all the looping in Mobius and effect routing and mixing in Live. That's the way I did use them together. Then I got bored by the frequent crashes, since my computer was too slow, and I skipped over Live to use Mobius standalone version for about two years. For effects I was then using an external rack device, a TC Electronicscs FireworX. My signal chain was: Instrument into TC into Mobius laptop. Mobius sent out MIDI clock tempo sync signal which I routed by a physical MIDI cable into the TC to have my effects slave to the tempo set by my live looping. Then I had to sell the TC and started using Bidule as a software host for Mobius and eight particular VST sound effect plug-ins which I cabled up in Bidule to replicate the sound effect patches I had been using the TC for. Those were my three Mobius focused looping rigs so far. I'm still using the Bidule/Mobius combo as my main rig. What I mostly like with Live is its lovely reverb, particularly the Freezeverb preset. What I dislike with Live is its inability to slave sync well to Mobius set master tempo. 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No worries, we'll get back to you asap. from the forefront of international gentrification: New Bad Berlin. --- jayrope === musical === http://kliklak.net http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com http://myspace.com/prinzenallee === visual === http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship On 01.09.2008, at 19:32, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: "projektGmail" > Date: 1. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C90C64.A45D7298-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 19:02:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBAD3BE87; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 74916 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:02:01 UTC Message-ID: <48BC3CC1.5020607@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:04:33 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > Zoe & all > >>i'm very exited! > > wow, exciting indeed. I've subscribed to the FCB list and looked at the "Radical Mod" description. This is exactly what I want! (and black finish is really nice... :-) > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/files/Hardware%20Mods/ > One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 Roland EV5 Expression pedals. > But I might use a software patch with audio I/O - the way Krispen described it via MAX/MSP - instead. > > Thanks for the hint... one step closer to moving to software looping ;-) > > Buzap > I don't subscribe to that list. AFAICT, it shouldn't be too difficult fitting a couple connectors for using other expression pedals with the fcb1010, as it has calibration routines build into it's software. I don't know the ohm'ic range of it's buildin expression pedals, so I'd guess some external pedal will work, others not. In any case you should use linial (volume) pedals, else you'll have all the action coming at the pedals end of sweep. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 20:19:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 393AF3BE8A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 67057660/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.223.6 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.223.6 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIBANjqu0hPTt8G/2dsb2JhbAAIsy+BaYM+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,309,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="67057660" Message-ID: <48BC4E5B.6020503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:19:39 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will this work as an easy alternative for EDP footswitch? References: <1c3a4db00808311731j2b5f7675me958d1787ac18140@mail.gmail.com> <48BBB174.3050401@tiscali.co.uk> <48BBCB6C.6060403@tiscali.co.uk> <1c3a4db00809010845i4f3e87b5xbe809cc54c90787d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1c3a4db00809010845i4f3e87b5xbe809cc54c90787d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:19:30 +0000 (UTC) hi Marcus, that's exactly the point, as your midi controller isn't sending any command when the button is released, the edp is going to assume you're still holding the button down. In other words, the edp will *always* do a longpress without this workaround I've sent the bidule group direct to you. It converts ProgCh to a Note-On/ Note-Off pair. ( so it *should* work) Open up the group for an explanation. andy marcus kirby wrote: > I never use the sustain function on the gibson footwsitch. I just set it > to where I click once to turn on a function and once to turn off. Are > the long/short presses applicable in my case? > > I would definitely love to have the bidule group so that I can use my > equipment that I already have. > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:01 AM, andy butler > wrote: > > hi Marcus, > > Yep, it's possible to do this. > > I've made a Bidule Group which converts a single ProgChange command > to the Note-On/Note-Off pair you'd need to operate the EDP. > > > That would give you the ShortPress functionality, > which is probably enough. > > I'll mail it to you if you want it. > > > > If you want to simulate a LongPress, you'll have to just convert to > a single Note-On. > > andy butler > > > > > andy butler wrote: > > hi Marcus, > Unfortunately the edp needs a midi controller that sends > something when the switch is released, so one that only sends > ProgCh (on the downpress) is not going to work. > > This is because edp distinguishes between longpress and shortpress. > ..so you wouldn't be able to duplicate the exact working of an > edp with a footcontroller that had Note-On/Off > > Only way round would be to have seperate switches for the > LongPress and ShortPress > functions. > ( e.g. a LongPress of the Record button is Reset) > > For Shortpress, you'd need to convert PrgCh into a Note-On, > Note-Off pair. > (right now, I don't see that Bidule can do that, but if you're > really > interested I'll go full out to find a way). > > Bidule is the host of choice for Matthias and myself, > it's great for live audio work, > but if you're just wanting to handle midi, I wonder if > there's something more suitable that would allow you to easily > convert one midi command into a midi string. > > andy butler > > ps > Why not just get an fcb1010? (just asking) > > > > > > > > marcus kirby wrote: > > I don't know if anyone is familiar with plogue's 'bidule', > but I have used it in the past, and it's a very advanced > midi routing program. Essentially, I think that I could use > a simple midi controller that only sends pcs, and translate > those into specific velocity/channel/note controls, i.e. > assign button 1 on my midi controller to trigger the release > of a variable that triggers a function on the EDP. > > Anyone worked with bidule or think this is possible? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 1 20:23:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20CFB3BE8F; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 70593404/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.223.6 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.223.6 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIBAIvru0hPTt8G/2dsb2JhbAAIszGBaYM+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,309,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="70593404" Message-ID: <48BC4F43.3020901@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:23:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> <48BC3CC1.5020607@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <48BC3CC1.5020607@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) >> One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 >> Roland EV5 Expression pedals. >> >> Buzap >> van Sinn wrote > I don't subscribe to that list. AFAICT, it shouldn't be too difficult > fitting a couple connectors for using other expression pedals with the > fcb1010, as it has calibration routines build into it's software. > I don't know the ohm'ic range of it's buildin expression pedals, so I'd > guess some external pedal will work, others not. > In any case you should use linial (volume) pedals, else you'll have all > the action coming at the pedals end of sweep. The fcb1010 pedals are Optical. ...but if you need the pedals, why not leave them on ;-) andy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 00:01:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBA953BE87; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q6huzEZnD5cA:10 a=M05rFLAXJcIA:10 a=rPivnWn4AAAA:8 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=GDQTo8KK-TgwzzYBa-8A:9 a=W5XGG-3cdtlnqqpS6ukA:7 a=hdYIPOYRQX1FLnbLQ2mZjDkSd40A:4 a=DFZ4TeuG6JwA:10 In-Reply-To: <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:01:56 +0000 (UTC) To take that idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB =20 modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with options for =20 adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular system. Sometimes I need =20 all ten with expression pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 =20 pedals. That would be very cool. On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > bob charest, who i found on the FCB list, is doing this for me =20 > right now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many =20 > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB =20 > group list and i was very impressed. > > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him a pedal for him to =20 > modify. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a =20= > little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a =20 > midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing, i =20 > decided that was the best option for me. > > i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished =20 > product with a black flake finish (!!). > > i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a =20 > secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being a =20 > little sideline. > > i'm very exited! > > > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi folks >> >> it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more =20 >> compact option _without_ expression pedals. And only take =20 >> additional pedals if you need them. >> >> Looking inside the FCB1010: >> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where =20 >> the pedals begin, cut off the pedals, externalize the power supply. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Buzap >> --=20 >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit =20= >> Pastry Passion! >> http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/=20 >> puzzle/6169196 >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 00:30:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC3613BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> <4759e5740809010652i381dc5f3i2619b3d712206d66@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010750o38e7b16frc34c18ea8057b29c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640809010750o38e7b16frc34c18ea8057b29c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:14:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey Warren, >it would be useful to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio looping A very simple MIDI looper I use in MAX 4.6 works something like this. Use a "clocker" object to timestamp incoming MIDI midi information. Store that information in a "coll" object using the timestamp as the index. Play back the "coll" by sending it the "clocker" output. >maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually Ha-Ha The local alt rock radio station here in D/FW is KDGE, "New Edge Music" is one of their call phrases. 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--0-1181464825-1220327766=:45268-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 08:30:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA263BE79; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 363 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:30:11 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 159407.48154.bm@omp104.mail.re1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=si6my0foPlAr2fLsr+9D50gtK9BWflAwfKzOCHDC6SFAtiJfxOyeSiNeBbe0TPyKqh3D/UN6+SMF/ZKixzhElRHNSmKIQl/b26byOMJXRxBOUKc+HV2kxz5TVF6RgrEnYptblngM1gAaMfhjQUOVnNM9ybtwjUKdEO1GwklpnW4= ; X-YMail-OSG: IG6K.ZUVM1knrELXxWSwXtzIjLsTH1mMZpmdrTCpdXnj7jtM4B4U2ZvBEH27hZf.hHOYhOC9.Jm6RatOTZwNbXBPsXsW_MZ9OV62KdA3WgmT2sgFl8y76A7B7LoZogWfFkwudeTWPL2JZCPq.CFQgTed X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> From: "Ben" To: Subject: looper for the iphone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:23:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:30:11 +0000 (UTC) well almost :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 08:47:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004D83BE7B; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:47:49 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <543343.78259.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080902084749.210920@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <543343.78259.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: teaching kids Live-Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VJDJM2HRVQKCEpFYT2AgUjsw9B0RYARSqzhC2ky 60Jp/ByOBf9ZM8sabUw/jdvitIT1UreeqfBQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: jc+FfV8feWUoX8F6iHRzZbQxU3U4N0/u Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis thanks for the link, it's really great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fSwkInY76Q I also do music workshops for children with live-looping. They love it!! I wouldn't say I make a living with it, but I do get paid for workshops. I like to keep groups smaller (max. ~16) and work more interactively. I usually teach them first some Beatboxing basics. When looping, I have a mic for myself and one mic for the kids. It's also really fun to add some FX from outer space for fun (they love octaver/pitch shifting ;-). One thing I've found is that - unlike usual live looping - it is interesting to use long loop lengths (i.e. 20 seconds, possibly longer). This way, you spread the different sounds over time and don't overload the childrens' attention. It helps them to listen more carefully, anticipate returning sounds. (They get really excited when they hear their own voice again ;-). Also, I find it advisable to keep live looping sections with mic/Fx etc. short (i.e. 10-15 minutes - no ambient concert! ;-) and do other things (games, dance, songs... involving physical activity) before/after. If any of you have experience with live looping + children, I'd be glad to hear your experience! Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 08:52:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B6E3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: looper for the iphone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:52:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> Thread-Index: AckM1iKcHH6riRUNSdSu4C8a2frv0AAAwpfQ Message-Id: <20080902085256.20AF33BE70@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:52:56 +0000 (UTC) That's pretty amazing--I wonder how many traffic accidents it will cause before humans adapt to it. dave well almost :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 08:54:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AE073BE7B; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:54:27 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <48BC4F43.3020901@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080902085427.210900@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> <48BC3CC1.5020607@post.cybercity.dk> <48BC4F43.3020901@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QVxVxPtbQA1WMZLALBqkdCehogHBUOdUTB304W5 dvRiwy5HHJiP73y5kYBxpCaLegZiEDE08GBg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: cMiOeVZ6IydmHYx+j2Zrc5dSa2FkZpVZ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:54:29 +0000 (UTC) @Andy: > ...but if you need the pedals, > why not leave them on ;-) I just need them sometimes. And besides, it's easier to carry a small footboard and put the expression pedal into a backpack. @Zoe: Concerning your FCB1010 in black: I've noticed that, when you are playing in the dark, it is sometimes harder to hit the right black pedal on a black surface. Just a thought. -- Psssst! Schon das coole Video vom GMX MultiMessenger gesehen? Der Eine für Alle: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/messenger03 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 08:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1738D3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XQkQOGHB6ckfVCGJC7ud4S6qpaiGXCtPo8HuYOlhdoI=; b=rXLsiYd+FTIOe5HC7ORCQ6Vpp2jFaCgNHtlUNj/oT2uh/Bk9OrmKBpKS9Gz8+s5io/ n36y4p210yDqUVpvRjGsPN1xQuhZictMFdWMhjwcMsEialiX6kFRlON7kNdq2XY2kKuX zZ78b7pN0PzjEaxN4PJDo9e4LFq6EMHnV+b+E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=hVUSsx4u7xX98bqvYRPG3cVmGVITbWGfk4lySmUmSqSySsPvMz1wUKSWZfEYOlAZra DnjEMdjHeKlmWrfkJLSmQV6Tznz7aGCvecgdYneXiQT1XLW6oQia2cAUwSHt3/wQvhGL uWDxLsGzsB3BVRjxUDO6dzToeKOgXhcmpfjw0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809020158p716c2b53h2888b55331a08590@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:58:48 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper for the iphone In-Reply-To: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:58:49 +0000 (UTC) 2008/9/2 Ben : > well almost :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E Just amazing! These days there's a lot of generative music on the grapevine. We're just awaiting Spore here, with music by Brian Eno... or should I rather say "music generative processes designed by" Eno, since the music grows with the game and changes through the gaming scenes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_game -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:40:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86B0E3BE7B; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:40:00 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Fb7OJpe9OyYA:10 a=P_ecVzYy1R8A:10 a=Gq3ah3PdOXVXPmM8mAgA:9 a=GT9h8fKlUjKK8OU41YAA:7 a=z0XrYzoSlV6IIf1ad08RhQEmKSIA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 From: "Rob \"Bodhi\" Wolff" To: Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:34:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AckM3xeHZ9QY4S8JQ3aCVBLFK1XFOg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi all! I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical style by getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process, and I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing advice. If so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading the reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark. Heck, people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure which three they're referring to! While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested reading you wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust the experts at some point. So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should pick up, specifically, for my particular requirements. My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at the same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both (or other instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need something portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as a guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an entire verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or more. As a live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was as high as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping unit. It'd be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a recording medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live performance. Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. However, that being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was made, 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be nice, too, as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if you feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and vocal lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different loops and playing them in synch, or in sequence. I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and from what I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I could only loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could be wrong, and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this drawback (if this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but sadly I just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem to break. So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, thoughts, or suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come out and say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! Thank you kindly for your consideration. Sincerely, Rob "Bodhi" Wolff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:45:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0F83BE77; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ofF8gAqsX7RoxdJG8DGKwacq4317SxTxJ+clb9MPo/g=; b=lISDDN/bQFJNjhaC8yEf7QwLhy61fBgxWo+2v5fUjwgmM2L68ePXd/SxF2borMjtJm aAcp8Dq28KR6NDQH4dG7iJcnMJGsqx3OQIqEZl5EBJ9UjHfh6iWckcx6ovfd0+smt6GV iFla2DCPOymOEKdYOSuqgtqEKTa/L72duKngA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MWusu3lCu427XkisOBO6Nk9zqcUEdFj/RyRwZrnrLA77pEJNnu0Jpb5UQZCGTJghFy Qel66kzOPp3n0hqHoHWBzd/XAFxWio0vo/Q3cLxRCDf0Xt5BKlkVs6zxaW9MUATs6frP LjPifslPiKXLz0wXVZNI/fQg/AF+NuvqztD+E= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 05:45:31 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looper for the iphone In-Reply-To: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5341_14335206.1220348731601" References: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> Resent-Message-ID: <4BVcXD.A.y7F.9sQvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:45:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5341_14335206.1220348731601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A cool idea, but I could do without the BS about the whole "music, drugs, reality" ... yes, I'm all in favor of sex, drugs, and rock and roll ... but I prefer mine to be more interactive. I'd love to see this as an application I could run on a laptop, with a sensor on my guitar or my hand ... sheesh, now I need to buy an iPhone just so I can run this. {Imagining the following scenario ... } "Hi, honey ...we need to change our cellphone service. Yeah, I need this iPhone for my looping rig ... " Best, Dennis 2008/9/2 Ben > well almost :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_5341_14335206.1220348731601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
A cool idea, but I could do without the BS about the whole "music, drugs, reality" ... yes, I'm all in favor of sex, drugs, and rock and roll ... but I prefer mine to be more interactive.

I'd love to see this as an application I could run on a laptop, with a sensor on my guitar or my hand ... sheesh, now I need to buy an iPhone just so I can run this.

{Imagining the following scenario ... }

"Hi, honey ...we need to change our cellphone service. Yeah, I need this iPhone for my looping rig ... "

Best,

Dennis


2008/9/2 Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr>
well almost :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E




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------=_Part_5341_14335206.1220348731601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:50:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58E2C3BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=gfYVgqSY4p7DR7v13NYrR2R2qn6rS33XfFm4IfBgVJLVZrFWEWoRNzcOu6+qL5KJT+fEnO8Y1HKstVIR9AOeZO5bKBqRSucU00QJSp/mVZYOloelTvZ8XUJU2ql6IGgOIBvzYayOxf6H5KYcLGWTt+cV3MF1ex4a3a5zS+RojTo= ; X-YMail-OSG: 3LfTC8UVM1mudLhMbcvExZHHep7EyFYMRbnHy2S094BQgOCI9bQKQrftaZ9KhwiWPb4AIzQnxYILJUrOR6aCXB5pFIrQaLJhJuGWLAb3uc3Ctsy0.lD58B5qVctVKjc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--623863653 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Video and anyone fancy a pint? Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:49:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:50:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--623863653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TmCZWJLx4_E New looping video from the Norwich gig i did - I'm playing in London on thursday if anyone fancys a pint? Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-5--623863653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII http://uk.youtube.com= /watch?v=3DTmCZWJLx4_E

New looping video from the = Norwich gig i did - I'm playing in London on thursday if anyone fancys a = pint?

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
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= --Apple-Mail-5--623863653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 09:53:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24EBD3BE8C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:53:39 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rob, Welcome to the list. Have you checked the Boss RC-50? I've used it myself= , and I think it's a good candidate for you. - 1x XLR mic-input with phantom - 1x Mono/Stereo 1/4 jack line inputs for instruments - undo: yes - sync or unsynced loops: yes - max 3 simulatious loops - 24.5 minutes stereo or 49 mono recording time, loops can be stored - USB to upload/download .wav files to PC http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/rc50.htm --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 11:42:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB1A3BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em00 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:31:08 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200809021131.m82BV8nB006364@post.webmailer.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: Jeff's scratching - a pseudo VHDL code X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 193.158.99.226 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Per, obviously, you've moved away from the "keep posts as short as possible" str= ategy here *g*. Thanks for your comments, please look below for some of my = replies: > pretty self descriptive. What a smart system for a creative > functionality designer (inventor) to pass over his ideas to an > engineer that makes it happen in hardware and processes! I had no idea Actually, VHDL is not meant for the functionality designer, it's meant for = the engineer that makes it happen. A piece of VHDL code (following certain = restrictions - some language constructs can only be used with limitations) = can directly be implemented in a FPGA or even synthesized to make your own = (scratching) ASIC. In that specific case, using a proper programming language would've made mo= re sense, thing is, I'm not a programmer... > I like Rainer's idea that the processes only happen as long as you > keep you finger on the plate (fader).=20 As I explained, my description is based on the "keep it close to a turntabl= ist" approach. > I would like to use three more functions > 1) Option of a realign command generated by the "exit scratching". I thought that at first, too, however, if you look at the scratching refere= nces on my post, you see that during the scratching, the turntablist will s= ometimes let the record run, and then continue scratching. A good example i= s stutter effects on a specific part within the loop (e.g. one word of voca= ls), and you couldn't do that if you automatically realign. So I'd keep the= realign manual, but then even better, make that configurable. > 2) Optional "latch mode" where the scratching is not repelling back to > its initial state (of parameter values) but rather left at whatever > parameter values you lift of your finger. And what do you do when you lift off your finger in a stationary state? I could think of an implementation where if your last movement was close to= Rate0 (in either direction) then rate is aligned to 0, as it is if you lif= t your finger while the loop is stopped, but for very high or low rates, th= e parameters are retained. This would automatically mean that you could res= et to Rate0 by swiftly tapping the controller afterwards, such making somet= hing like a backspin possible. Cool! > 3) Option of a "musical quantize" mode, in which the pitch doesn't > shift continuously but in musical steps. This could also be set to > specific scales (from twelve tone scale to simple pentatonic... fixed > micro tonal related to a root would be ultimately cool!). This would imo make more sense to control that by controlling the actual ra= te directly, not by those movements which specifiy the rate only integrally= - but we would've to try that. Quantized scratching... > Ok, enough so far. As for the physical controlling I would rather use > a touch sensitive XY axis floor/tabletop carpet than a DJ mixer In the message just before the one you quoted, I was talking about a ribbon= controller. So yes, I don't want a DJ mixer (you don't scratch a turntable= using a fader, either). > each other ;-)) A solution could be to record the sound of the > scratching activities (maybe also plus the background?) into a new > loop. This can be done by audio routing in the host application. I know that your concept of this (i.e. using rate shifts) is different; whe= n I was writing about that scratching idea, I was in my mindset wholly with= the DJ idea - i.e. no overdub during the scratch action.=20 Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 13:19:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B86D3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9xSpFowM87Q5PEoGoVs64BCEchEAZu+qVboWYq++EpM=; b=pZHI/YBW/myXKwFofM+xcz24NlR1VK9Mjsq0L3MoC0IJvXol08apkWy/Xn+r/RUm07 67othaiSJMT2o/o9XlQROqtIrs+lrqkWOG3Ke0vOtKSHGmtGcxOJQuvU6tqW1+CdKEFZ m08osO0eDTZcqfgu/G9eZu0L/L2tVmb5KbpRE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sY098w1jr1QHklYzLzD0Z5QRkqB2j4MQYBOkSB4fVOS4DsGdPyYWwiVrmrVht+vGPL 3AgIOMP/bQqyPQovCFN8nLxooLnY5xEzoeKY93toF7DV1WN8GbprqvkbglMBA8B++P2j 8jZttiwuSxnm3/JaejImiXiaaASsXAWSqjVGM= In-Reply-To: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> References: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcus Staniec Subject: Re: looper for the iphone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:19:32 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:19:40 +0000 (UTC) That's great! Thanks for sharing - I signed up for a private beta. The iphone is proving itself as a very useful device for music application. It's pretty exciting to see where all this is heading. Almost as exciting as watching the birth and growth of MIDI. Other noteworthy iphone music apps: NOISE.IO - SYNTH FOR IPHONE (http://noise.io/oldsite/) - with looping capabilities. and iTouchMIDI - wireless MIDI controller in various configurations: keys/ matrix/XYpad/tilt/Mackie Control Emulation and soon more. (http:// www.itouchmidi.com/) Marcus On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Ben wrote: > well almost :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 14:35:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6453BE7B; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> References: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7bbc77a6be3dc929155752a44a7106e5@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: looper for the iphone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:35:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:35:40 +0000 (UTC) How very amazing . . . and inspiring. I can see it now . . . a CT collective album of music made only with iPhones. It'd almost make it worth while getting an iPhone. I wonder how one obtains the software. I don't remember the fellow mentioning it in his video. Onward and upward. Maybe someday. Ted On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Ben wrote: > well almost :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 14:36:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4EB3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=I29j8t6DwX7SXMz14i3GOLmhIGH4ib2DH+wqG5A3IH+mYCih9D42eLwp0gxhEKRUCArvZzDpHGxtdLmdeLwPhQFHAwKCDstPNFZluDd8xb7z7L8HSLa4Nqm7rw3elCDkum1BXYDQDH0u7lBlTwdva4x2ndpbjJFo8z6l9vnB4KQ=; X-YMail-OSG: sFOhybwVM1lDSIo_3KzUvVRQ0lbLh0BLv.8rkNKuljiNaOjMXPEHiEBrUeZeq205VA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Video and anyone fancy a pint? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <101563.67815.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8M2L8.A.R2H.d9UvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:36:13 +0000 (UTC) man i wish i could come up and join you for a looping guiness pint! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Matt Stevens wrote: > From: Matt Stevens > Subject: Video and anyone fancy a pint? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 2:49 AM > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TmCZWJLx4_E > > New looping video from the Norwich gig i did - I'm > playing in London > on thursday if anyone fancys a pint? > > Matt Stevens > www.mattstevensguitar.com > mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 15:37:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41D333BE7C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=pnNkk5UhPh4tnQ0myWGeqUYlmV81Qqrgy1pj5KhfRIk=; b=f9Ge7rHS59IhIbdUjd42cWtGz5IHmyiwWLxHRfuau0hlKNc71vfrRlD1YLsyhQdLTw Xhz/96+aeb58Fy9dtXCTUoOaVpQh80id+Vqc9NpNLLzWr/iC16E7fvZpe76qNZr82fb2 bLyYkj0BdnczD3Hq4PVBS6rTdWl3Mqka3bS6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XZgO81vklnmJfiRTXN1CQY5OeRIv33FWgPv2Xrib20zhx6BMdTHlLr6ry4vOf1FeO9 t6l+L/eb0zXSu9B93ufV26o5YNjMfJsIxaVE2tfigyWTLHSl1egDIWdYHT5rkrgSxJcN Xirq3ld6fkNf/yTt9EtfHUzre6DL86C6yMGTw= Message-ID: <101191640809020837x23066c2dgaa58f964eba16b09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:37:14 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640809010613k6fb508dek39fedbdbbacb48a0@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010647i5b2bc48jb62298c579a58b4c@mail.gmail.com> <4759e5740809010652i381dc5f3i2619b3d712206d66@mail.gmail.com> <101191640809010750o38e7b16frc34c18ea8057b29c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76ffb3f26fa520f1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:37:16 +0000 (UTC) hey, thx for the tip Rick! can't wait to try it On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > Hey Warren, > >> it would be useful to incorporate MIDI looping along with the audio >> looping > > A very simple MIDI looper I use in MAX 4.6 works something like this. > > Use a "clocker" object to timestamp incoming MIDI midi information. > Store that information in a "coll" object using the timestamp as the index. > Play back the "coll" by sending it the "clocker" output. > >> maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually > > Ha-Ha The local alt rock radio station here in D/FW is KDGE, > "New Edge Music" is one of their call phrases. > > Rick Williamson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 15:41:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C2B3BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.212.37.140] X-Originating-Email: [j.easley@msn.com] X-Sender: j.easley@msn.com From: "Joshua & Jennifer Easley" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:41:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C90CD7.BE6A28A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2008 15:41:35.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[619B4D30:01C90D12] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C90CD7.BE6A28A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rob,=20 Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and mic = inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also be = used as an interface for computer recording. . .=20 The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even better solution if = you want to incorporate effects and amp models into your loops (i.e. = make your acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an integrated = "JamMan" looper, different from the above, but in a way better, because = with it you can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and = then disengage or re-engage them by pressing the corresponding track = buttons. (For example, if on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track = 2, and some sort of rhythym on track 3, then, for variation, you can = press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them, leaving only the third track = playing; if you press the same buttons again tracks 1 & 2 will start = playing again.) I used the GNX for several years before upgrading to an Echoplex = (probably #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The former has = the advantage of being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way = to start. I like it too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's = literally an all in one device, thus simplifying the whole potentially = complicated routing issue. . . --Joshua ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > Hi all! >=20 > I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical = style by > getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and > experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process, = and > I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. >=20 > I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing advice. = If > so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. >=20 > I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading the > reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark. = Heck, > people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure which = three > they're referring to! >=20 > While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested reading = you > wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust the > experts at some point. >=20 > So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should = pick > up, specifically, for my particular requirements. >=20 > My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals = at the > same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both (or = other > instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need something > portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably > inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as a > guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an = entire > verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or more. = As a > live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was = as high > as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping unit. = It'd > be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a = recording > medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live = performance. > Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. However, = that > being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was = made, > 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be = nice, too, > as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if = you > feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and = vocal > lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different loops = and > playing them in synch, or in sequence. >=20 > I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and from = what > I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I could = only > loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could be = wrong, > and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this = drawback (if > this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). >=20 > I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but = sadly I > just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem to = break. >=20 > So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, = thoughts, or > suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come out = and > say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! >=20 > Thank you kindly for your consideration. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Rob "Bodhi" Wolff >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C90CD7.BE6A28A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rob, =
 
Have you looked at the Digitech = JamMan? it has=20 both instrument and mic inputs (presumably you can use them both at the=20 same), and can also be used as an interface for computer = recording. .=20
 
The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an = even better=20 solution if you want to incorporate effects and amp models into your = loops (i.e.=20 make your acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an=20 integrated "JamMan" looper, different from the above, but in a = way=20 better, because with it you can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 = stereo),=20 and then disengage or re-engage them by pressing the corresponding = track=20 buttons. (For example, if on track 1 you record guitar, vocals = on=20 track 2, and some sort of rhythym on track 3, then, for variation, = you can=20 press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them, leaving only the third track = playing;=20 if you press the same buttons again tracks 1 & 2 will start = playing=20 again.)
 
I used the GNX for several years before = upgrading to an=20 Echoplex (probably #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The = former has=20 the advantage of being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way = to=20 start. I like it too (and still use it in my live setup) because = it's=20 literally an all in one device, thus simplifying the whole potentially=20 complicated routing issue. . .
 
--Joshua
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34=20 AM
Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and = Opinions=20 Sought

> Hi all!
>
> I'm a new member to the list, and = I'm=20 looking to expand my musical style by
> getting into = looping. =20 However, I find that my lack of knowledge and
> experience with = the=20 equipment is hampering my decision-making process, and
> I'm = hoping that=20 you all might be able to guide me a little.
>
> I hope I'm = not=20 breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing advice.  If
> = so,=20 please simply ignore my newbie mistake.
>
> I've tried = reading up=20 on the various products, and I tried reading the
> reviews up on = this=20 site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark.  Heck,
> = people keep=20 referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure which three
> = they're=20 referring to!
>
> While I'd appreciate any reading lists or = advice=20 for suggested reading you
> wish to give, I really think that I'm = just=20 going to need to trust the
> experts at some point.
> =
> So I=20 thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should = pick
> up,=20 specifically, for my particular requirements.
>
> My = needs:  I=20 play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at the
> = same=20 time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both (or = other
>=20 instruments through the mike).  As a live player, I'd need=20 something
> portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted = unit is=20 probably
> inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while = playing,=20 as a
> guitarist.  The loops would need to be at least the = length of=20 an entire
> verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 = minute or=20 more.  As a
> live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if = the=20 sound quality was as high
> as possible, and if there was = little-to-no=20 hiss from the looping unit.  It'd
> be nice to save a decent = loop=20 after the fact (off the unit onto a recording
> medium of some = sort) but=20 this is far secondary to decent live performance.
> Ease-of-use is = a=20 bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve.  However, that
> = being=20 said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was = made,
>=20 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus!  Simple effects would be = nice,=20 too,
> as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make = suggestions there=20 if you
> feel they would enhance things).  I'd want to loop = both=20 guitar and vocal
> lines at various times, perhaps even looping = multiple=20 different loops and
> playing them in synch, or in = sequence.
>=20
> I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, = and from=20 what
> I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input = (so I=20 could only
> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both).  = Of=20 course, I could be wrong,
> and/or there may be a workaround that = is=20 commonly used for this drawback (if
> this is a common state of = affairs=20 for many looping pedals).
>
> I'm extremely interested in = moving=20 forward with this project, but sadly I
> just seem to have run = into an=20 informational wall that I can't seem to break.
>
> So = please, if=20 you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, thoughts, or
>=20 suggestions that you wish.  And frankly, if you simpy want to come = out=20 and
> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by=20 me!
>
> Thank you kindly for your consideration.
> =
>=20 Sincerely,
>
> Rob "Bodhi" Wolff
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C90CD7.BE6A28A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 15:44:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C0D3BE7C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: LP-1 in GP Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:44:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C90CD8.1D80A850" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckNEsawejobH9WVSN6n1cuD3hxIWQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:44:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C90CD8.1D80A850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally got my October issue of Guitar Porn, I mean Guitar Player, and the LP-1 review is just great, Another slap on the back for Bob Amstadt for making such a cool machine and to Barry Cleveland for taking the time to review it . Also great articles, about Sonny Landreth, Todd Rundgren and Marc Ribot as well. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C90CD8.1D80A850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I finally got my October issue of Guitar Porn, I mean = Guitar Player, and the LP-1 review is just great, Another  slap on the = back for Bob Amstadt for making such a cool machine = and to Barry Cleveland for  taking the time to review it . Also great = articles,   about Sonny Landreth, Todd Rundgren and Marc Ribot as = well.

Bill

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 17:37:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9EA3BE79; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:35:37 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: more VG-99 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080902094534.13D093BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Recent talk about the VG-99, and a financially successful yard sale this past weekend, has me jonesin' to own one. How's the GK-3 pickup? Should I consider a dedicated hex-output guitar, like a Godin, ferinstance? Should I consider the GKKITG3 on-board system? I'm excellent with tools and guitar electronics, and I can play very accurately. And how's the MIDI tracking in a live context? I dig that folks say they can send MIDI to their 'puters for future use, but how's it track in real time? And, bummer of bummers, it seems that *some* effects are polyphonic, while others are not. Like the Slow Gear is polyphonic (yay!) but the Ring Mod is not (boo!)? Might someone bother to list *what* is/isn't polyphonic? Where else might I go to get the big picture on this piece of gear? (I've read a few reviews, and checked the Roland site, including scanning a bit of the manual.) I'm deep into the GT series of pedals, by the way. Thanks loads in advance, Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.TheCoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Nikola Tesla is the fifth Beatle." - Taylor Baldwin, 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:09:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3FCE3BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uAAPNjXTfkLZBMARwVMWEfda+vJdli6Urk/hazas4vfEurhUFcsFvFt7vfLvEhlnFJYdI3htYVTn+RXkb72QoBvUdJsLa8uFQ8q+ARzvVek4YNFTb6hGYx/N4wTJ4biwTJIQ5gtj3PAmTYDTeae7hMBuy7M6budKAhCWKSjUI/4=; X-YMail-OSG: _WZqyiYVM1m_VUEHlJgc_Y1r69PiXJ0e7pZfFtGl596vYTwjGOLXCnBGiJjguRcbUEnyaJu6OajoByHTt2DrFtoI_d54Wojf5yT9q6YAeEgkgu8c5eQc5hBBZ9ANnsZdsSGNqVVNHQmOjbJo7ZA8XG4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <847232.88964.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_evXyC.A.ew.vFYvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:09:51 +0000 (UTC) The older GK pickups were a little iffy, depending on the guitar. I don't know about the latest GK3. I own a Godin Multiac Jazz, which I absolutely love, and it tracks great. I don't know about the VG-99, but MIDI tracking of the Godin with a Roland GR-20 it very, very good. It takes a little time to dial in the sensitivity for each string for best tracking, so out of the box it will likely suck. I assume the VG-99 is the same deal. As for the GKKITG3, it's definitely cleaner than a GK-3, but it's going to cost $ and time to install, and once again, you might have a guitar that it doesn't work that well with. That's the nice think about the GK-3, you can move it around. I really think the best option is a guitar that was factory-built to track MIDI, like a Godin or one of the Fenders. But if you should want a GK-3, I've got a brand new one I'll let you have at a highly competitive price. It came with my GR-20, but I don't need it since I've got the Godin. If interested, email me off-list. -George --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > From: Douglas Baldwin > Subject: more VG-99 questions > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 10:35 AM > Recent talk about the VG-99, and a financially successful > yard sale this > past weekend, has me jonesin' to own one. > How's the GK-3 pickup? Should I consider a > dedicated hex-output guitar, > like a Godin, ferinstance? Should I consider the GKKITG3 > on-board system? > I'm excellent with tools and guitar electronics, and I > can play very > accurately. > And how's the MIDI tracking in a live context? I > dig that folks say they > can send MIDI to their 'puters for future use, but > how's it track in real > time? > And, bummer of bummers, it seems that *some* effects > are polyphonic, > while others are not. Like the Slow Gear is polyphonic > (yay!) but the Ring > Mod is not (boo!)? Might someone bother to list *what* > is/isn't polyphonic? > Where else might I go to get the big picture on this > piece of gear? > (I've read a few reviews, and checked the Roland site, > including scanning a > bit of the manual.) I'm deep into the GT series of > pedals, by the way. > Thanks loads in advance, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.TheCoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Nikola Tesla is the fifth Beatle." > - Taylor Baldwin, 11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:14:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A1313BE7C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <030DAE73-5626-4515-A68B-904915FE23FF@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:14:26 -0700 References: <20080902094534.13D093BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 2, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Recent talk about the VG-99, and a financially successful yard sale > this > past weekend, has me jonesin' to own one. Not surprising; it's by far the deepest, most distinctive guitar processor out there now. (Challenges? I'd love to hear 'em! Eventides are deeper FX, sure, but aren't guitar based, hexaphonic, synth modelers, etc....) Based on forum talk, the only area that folks are sometimes disappointed over is using the VG live. I don't do that so I haven't paid much attention, but if you do, this is worth digging deeper on. > > How's the GK-3 pickup? Should I consider a dedicated hex-output > guitar, > like a Godin, ferinstance? Should I consider the GKKITG3 on-board > system? The consensus (still somewhat controversial) seems to be that piezo pickup systems which used to work fine with the VG8 and 88 (Godin, RMC, Ghost, Baggs, Brian Moore), aren't working on the 99 quite as well as the GK-3. Read more at forum link below. I reluctantly added a GK-3 to my old RMC-driven VG-specific guitar just to cover all bases, and am glad I did, mostly because I can now drive both the 99 and the 8 or 88 without needing a 13-pin splitter box. It felt like it'd be a desecration before I did it; afterwards, I don't even notice. > > I'm excellent with tools and guitar electronics, and I can play very > accurately. > And how's the MIDI tracking in a live context? I dig that folks > say they > can send MIDI to their 'puters for future use, but how's it track in > real > time? > And, bummer of bummers, it seems that *some* effects are > polyphonic, > while others are not. Like the Slow Gear is polyphonic (yay!) but > the Ring > Mod is not (boo!)? Might someone bother to list *what* is/isn't > polyphonic? Only 3 poly FX: Slow gear, Compression, Distortion. Ring mod (etc.) sounds great anyway:) > > Where else might I go to get the big picture on this piece of gear? > (I've read a few reviews, and checked the Roland site, including > scanning a > bit of the manual.) I'm deep into the GT series of pedals, by the way. http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php Welcome... dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:47:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CEEC3BE79; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jfmHUGyPAAAA:8 a=gxMmqYR7p2_tlN53y7oA:9 a=_1gGpH0oLtlGHpPkXV8A:7 a=_IOgZORdUV7JAfSY4l5Kn-y20HcA:4 a=4E-rPbXpegIA:10 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 In-Reply-To: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> References: <20080902094534.13D093BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BEF4C44-56C5-4DF0-88DE-522A63E39514@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Gaber Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:47:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5GIziB.A.E-B._oYvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) The GK-3 vs Piezo debate rages on, but most at vguitarforums.com would agree that the GK-3 is the way to go. I, however, use a Godin LGX-SA and am as happy as a clam. The best guitar I have ever owned, I might add. :) The debate on the guitar to midi rages on as well. Some say it is worthless and some say otherwise. I have gotten it to work very well with Live 5.2 and Reason 4 as well as a bunch of other softsynths. As George said It took some tweaking of the params within the 99 and the synths to get it going, but I am very happy. Getting sibelius to track well is a different story, and one that I am still working on. Lead sheets and scores are not happening as well as I had hoped. I highly recommend registering at vguitarforums.com and asking questions there. They are most knowledgeable guys in the biz when it comes to this stuff. Chris On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Recent talk about the VG-99, and a financially successful yard sale > this > past weekend, has me jonesin' to own one. > How's the GK-3 pickup? Should I consider a dedicated hex-output > guitar, > like a Godin, ferinstance? Should I consider the GKKITG3 on-board > system? > I'm excellent with tools and guitar electronics, and I can play very > accurately. > And how's the MIDI tracking in a live context? I dig that folks > say they > can send MIDI to their 'puters for future use, but how's it track > in real > time? > And, bummer of bummers, it seems that *some* effects are > polyphonic, > while others are not. Like the Slow Gear is polyphonic (yay!) but > the Ring > Mod is not (boo!)? Might someone bother to list *what* is/isn't > polyphonic? > Where else might I go to get the big picture on this piece of > gear? > (I've read a few reviews, and checked the Roland site, including > scanning a > bit of the manual.) I'm deep into the GT series of pedals, by the way. > Thanks loads in advance, > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.TheCoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Nikola Tesla is the fifth Beatle." > - Taylor Baldwin, 11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:50:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0D23BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:50:39 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=jKf0Pfm3AAAA:8 a=OMSU3QLGAAAA:8 a=IohcgyEqAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=26Zvqhgbb5ZqJViBaUEA:9 a=HOEcdeG897fNqTUFGYVl7z0OGb8A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "Rob \"Bodhi\" Wolff" To: References: Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckM4ck6ZwceSqu3Tnmeoe7PsjyfwQASdoQg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for the suggestion! I had looked at the Boss RC-50, but had avoided it for a few reasons. I had heard terrible (really terrible) things about firmware problems, crashes, reliability issues, and in particular a 1-second delay before playback that live musicians can find most distressing. Immediacy is really the key for me, if I'm going to be working with this thing live, and reliability is a must. >From the stats you listed, it sounds like a perfectly fine candidate -- I merely had heard that it didn't quite live up to the performance that was listed. If anybody has opinions on the actual live utility of the Boss RC-50, I'd enjoy hearing them. -----Original Message----- From: Sjaak [mailto:tcplugin@scarlet.be] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re:New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Hi Rob, Welcome to the list. Have you checked the Boss RC-50? I've used it myself, and I think it's a good candidate for you. - 1x XLR mic-input with phantom - 1x Mono/Stereo 1/4 jack line inputs for instruments - undo: yes - sync or unsynced loops: yes - max 3 simulatious loops - 24.5 minutes stereo or 49 mono recording time, loops can be stored - USB to upload/download .wav files to PC http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/rc50.htm --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 18:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D78B73BE7F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=Pc-144LTugfK4koQBmMA:9 a=KNsk4XVI2dSxaG95VOcA:7 a=8PknCh2Gb1aYWub5VoTw-QOdku0A:4 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "Rob \"Bodhi\" Wolff" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:53:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AckNEmTjd23tvIhfTXqVsZDgYmzv5wAGalcg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for the suggestion! I don't think that the GNX is quite right for me (a little large, and a little light on the features for the size), but the Digitech JamMan looks very promising. The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper it appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears that you must stop playback and store each loop before moving to a new one, or your work is erased. Thus, working live wouldn't work, as you'd only ever be working with a single loop, being unable to stop playback and store. Or rather, live work reduces the JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see what I mean. However, I could be mis-reading the documentation. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If anybody has any experience working with the JamMan, I'd appreciate hearing your opinions. ////////////// I still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet) but the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm often working with somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't simply bring along my own mixer, etc. and plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround for adding a microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of switching between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question applies to many more products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would bring many more products into possible contention. Thank you to everybody for any advice you can give. ________________________________ From: Joshua & Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Hi Rob, Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and mic inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also be used as an interface for computer recording. . The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even better solution if you want to incorporate effects and amp models into your loops (i.e. make your acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan" looper, different from the above, but in a way better, because with it you can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then disengage or re-engage them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For example, if on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some sort of rhythym on track 3, then, for variation, you can press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them, leaving only the third track playing; if you press the same buttons again tracks 1 & 2 will start playing again.) I used the GNX for several years before upgrading to an Echoplex (probably #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The former has the advantage of being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to start. I like it too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's literally an all in one device, thus simplifying the whole potentially complicated routing issue. . . --Joshua ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34 AM Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > Hi all! > > I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical style by > getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and > experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process, and > I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. > > I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing advice. If > so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. > > I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading the > reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark. Heck, > people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure which three > they're referring to! > > While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested reading you > wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust the > experts at some point. > > So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should pick > up, specifically, for my particular requirements. > > My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at the > same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both (or other > instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need something > portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably > inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as a > guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an entire > verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or more. As a > live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was as high > as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping unit. It'd > be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a recording > medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live performance. > Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. However, that > being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was made, > 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be nice, too, > as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if you > feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and vocal > lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different loops and > playing them in synch, or in sequence. > > I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and from what > I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I could only > loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could be wrong, > and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this drawback (if > this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). > > I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but sadly I > just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem to break. > > So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, thoughts, or > suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come out and > say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! > > Thank you kindly for your consideration. > > Sincerely, > > Rob "Bodhi" Wolff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:02:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7699C3BE79; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:01:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Thread-Index: AckNEmTjd23tvIhfTXqVsZDgYmzv5wAGalcgAACHvxA= Message-Id: <20080902190206.113D23BE73@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Small mixer = problem solved. dave I still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet) but the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm often working with somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't simply bring along my own mixer, etc. and plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround for adding a microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of switching between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question applies to many more products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would bring many more products into possible contention. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 19:54:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38293BE79; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=IohcgyEqAAAA:8 a=jKf0Pfm3AAAA:8 a=OMSU3QLGAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=8nYyn6sv53YYlBQLuSQA:9 a=ZjCktXpSZgV8W9IOHhi9k607usAA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> References: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Gaber Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:54:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:54:09 +0000 (UTC) I use it the RC-50 and quite like it. Roland did release a firmware update that sort of eliminates the problem you mentioned. And as far is that is concerned, there isnt a delay in playback where your loop starts a second later and messes up your timing, but the loop is just missing the first second (more like a half-second but who's counting) of the loop when you switch from rec mode to playback mode. Your timing is still intact. I love the RC-50. My drum/guitar synth duo has many improvised sections where I have the rc-50 programmed with nothing but the complete range of time signatures. No loops or any pre-recorded material. Just time signatures. When a groove is settled into I go to corresponding time sig, tap in the tempo and lay done a bass line or whatever, all without missing a beat or stopping. The RC-50 is reliable. Search Rico Loops in youtube or RC-50 in youtube and watch some vids. Chris On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:45 PM, Rob "Bodhi" Wolff wrote: > Thank you for the suggestion! > > I had looked at the Boss RC-50, but had avoided it for a few reasons. > > I had heard terrible (really terrible) things about firmware problems, > crashes, reliability issues, and in particular a 1-second delay before > playback that live musicians can find most distressing. Immediacy > is really > the key for me, if I'm going to be working with this thing live, and > reliability is a must. > > From the stats you listed, it sounds like a perfectly fine > candidate -- I > merely had heard that it didn't quite live up to the performance > that was > listed. > > If anybody has opinions on the actual live utility of the Boss > RC-50, I'd > enjoy hearing them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sjaak [mailto:tcplugin@scarlet.be] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:54 AM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: Re:New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > Hi Rob, > Welcome to the list. Have you checked the Boss RC-50? I've used it > myself, > and I think it's a good candidate for you. > > - 1x XLR mic-input with phantom > - 1x Mono/Stereo 1/4 jack line inputs for instruments > - undo: yes > - sync or unsynced loops: yes > - max 3 simulatious loops > - 24.5 minutes stereo or 49 mono recording time, loops can be stored > - USB to upload/download .wav files to PC > > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/rc50.htm > > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:06:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CF3A3BE85; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: zd5AstwVM1kfKyZUhpGj8lDadTf93CrXmxF1cN13b.FwNfUFWzEQV4PdogD7T52KTtQtG1EGRYQnaE6a1MQd.lpRfcBXAcZ5QPvZ5dFgxWKxo0gtUgPYGjIco8a4c3c- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Wegmann Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640809010640q4a369b2do3df3508dd81256a6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-544089133-1220385980=:23640" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <281758.23640.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:06:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-544089133-1220385980=:23640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Godin story is sad,,,,:( I've owned the multiac steel and nylon since 99 and love them, I've had no issues at all...... They play flawlessly and sound wonderful through my carvin acoustic amp or though the PA and best through my Bose L1. I love those guitars. Warren Sirota wrote: P.S. : I also just got a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex pickups bolted on just don't seem to work as well as those designed to be synth controllers. It came with super light strings. Between this guitar and the sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll roots are stirring. They're just begging for a context, which I think I have to invent. A loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood, sort of, crossed with the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group concept (whether I can pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo musically to be able to find a good "container" or branding strategy - I'm sure many of you here experience that too. As a solo artist, I think I'm going to take a new-age stance (even tho the music may occasionally be more "new edge" than "new age" - hey, maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually) and adopt the name "Painting on Air" for a local gigging strategy - there must be a number of venues in the area where I can talk my way in if i don't care about the money (and I don't, really I just want to expose people to this). (BTW - about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string controller that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar has been that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not quite A-1. I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years I've owned it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up right, it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either - I did some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro to complete the setup). My URL http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater My Blog URL http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --0-544089133-1220385980=:23640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Godin story is sad,,,,:(   I've owned the multiac steel and nylon since 99 and love them,  I've had no issues at all......  They play flawlessly and sound wonderful through my carvin acoustic amp or though the PA and best through my Bose L1.   I love those guitars.

Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
P.S. : I also just got a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex
pickups bolted on just don't seem to work as well as those designed to
be synth controllers. It came with super light strings.

Between this guitar and the sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll
roots are stirring. They're just begging for a context, which I think
I have to invent. A loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood,
sort of, crossed with the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group
concept (whether I can pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo
musically to be able to find a good "container" or branding strategy -
I'm sure many of you here experience that too.

As a solo artist, I think I'm going to take a new-age stance (even tho
the music may occasionally be more "new edge" than "new age" - hey,
maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually) and adopt
the name "Painting on Air" for a local gigging strategy - there must
be a number of venues in the area where I can talk my way in if i
don't care about the money (and I don't, really I just want to expose
people to this).

(BTW - about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string
controller that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar
has been that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not
quite A-1. I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years
I've owned it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up
right, it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either -
I did some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro
to complete the setup).




My URL
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http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --0-544089133-1220385980=:23640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:21:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E893BE82; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Hq7zGIlVP9QA:10 a=eD79-wDWU3sA:10 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=pk2E1mbaWP_U2r4oBcoA:9 a=KvOSr1keZvHbhKiwKujHtn_MDEgA:4 a=YTTCQ6faurcA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=08AoIpZzJ7VJrYlEghEA:9 a=RiwgkUt0jeAawhJ9qBQA:7 a=vApi7psAqSBRFIhh2gqW8DgLK-4A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <281758.23640.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <281758.23640.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--585952878 Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:21:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <-9vaX.A.hTF.XBavIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:21:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--585952878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just got a Multiac Spectrum. Love it. However, why they use a fucking slotted headstock is beyond me. Its ugly, bigger then it needs to be, hard to string, and it doesnt fit in gigbags, or guitar hangers. I just commisioned a local luthier to build a new neck for it. Can't wait. On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Thomas Wegmann wrote: > The Godin story is sad,,,,:( I've owned the multiac steel and > nylon since 99 and love them, I've had no issues at all...... > They play flawlessly and sound wonderful through my carvin acoustic > amp or though the PA and best through my Bose L1. I love those > guitars. > > Warren Sirota wrote: > P.S. : I also just got a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex > pickups bolted on just don't seem to work as well as those designed to > be synth controllers. It came with super light strings. > > Between this guitar and the sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll > roots are stirring. They're just begging for a context, which I think > I have to invent. A loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood, > sort of, crossed with the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group > concept (whether I can pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo > musically to be able to find a good "container" or branding strategy - > I'm sure many of you here experience that too. > > As a solo artist, I think I'm going to take a new-age stance (even tho > the music may occasionally be more "new edge" than "new age" - hey, > maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way to pitch it, actually) and adopt > the name "Painting on Air" for a local gigging strategy - there must > be a number of venues in the area where I can talk my way in if i > don't care about the money (and I don't, really I just want to expose > people to this). > > (BTW - about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string > controller that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar > has been that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not > quite A-1. I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years > I've owned it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up > right, it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either - > I did some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro > to complete the setup). > > > > > My URL > http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater > > My Blog URL > http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --Apple-Mail-1--585952878 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just got a Multiac Spectrum. Love it. However, why they use a fucking = slotted headstock is beyond me. Its ugly, bigger then it needs to be, = hard to string, and it doesnt fit in gigbags, or guitar hangers. I just = commisioned a local luthier to build a new neck for it. Can't = wait.=A0
On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Thomas Wegmann = wrote:

The Godin story is sad,,,,:(=A0=A0 I've owned the multiac = steel and nylon since 99 and love them,=A0 I've had no issues at = all......=A0 They play flawlessly and sound wonderful through my carvin = acoustic amp or though the PA and best through my Bose L1.=A0=A0 I love = those guitars.

Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> = wrote:
P.S. : I also just got = a Godin Freeway SA guitar - guitars with hex
pickups bolted on just = don't seem to work as well as those designed to
be synth controllers. = It came with super light strings.

Between this guitar and the = sounds in Mainstage, my rock-and-roll
roots are stirring. They're = just begging for a context, which I think
I have to invent. A = loop-oriented version of Modeski, Martin, Wood,
sort of, crossed with = the Dead, is where I'm leaning for my group
concept (whether I can = pull it off is another story). I'm too schizo
musically to be able to = find a good "container" or branding strategy -
I'm sure many of you = here experience that too.

As a solo artist, I think I'm going to = take a new-age stance (even tho
the music may occasionally be more = "new edge" than "new age" - hey,
maybe "New Edge Music" is a good way = to pitch it, actually) and adopt
the name "Painting on Air" for a = local gigging strategy - there must
be a number of venues in the area = where I can talk my way in if i
don't care about the money (and I = don't, really I just want to expose
people to this).

(BTW - = about Godins: Many of you have seen the Godin nylon-string
controller = that I played at Y2K2006. My experience with that guitar
has been = that the concept has been perfect, but the workmanship not
quite A-1. = I've had it into the shop several times over the 4 years
I've owned = it for reglueing of braces and other work. When it's set up
right, = it's great. The new guitar wasn't adjusted quite right either -
I did = some minor tweaks, but I'm going to bring it in to a local pro
to = complete the setup).




My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyest= heater

My Blog = URL
http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater

<= /html>= --Apple-Mail-1--585952878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:23:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D863BE84; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sCdVJbx6ywC9kcwmGzyVLz8eN9Vhwn9ewLY7PJViZuM=; b=YzPd5202yUUSMiSoaLuWocYZrmrP/hxZC9tfNhGhFuP4nLRVJvtpJQEFUFh38UHN5m BzsLUSuGrW7F/zdyYiEfRYJ6NA3ir/o9HMqTNZlOYNDzH8W3LZIpSTQKq0ojMt44aG35 i2aOE5CRzV3zIf6bl4ReWwiwXgKpf91/kYsUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OZD/tfg3tn3U1CCcrebLxD0m5SpROWtrc8ynr4co4OMKNmS6uXHXeNcR7xqDS/u6jk +NzOMK9AXfEN+/rc8QmZ4BEegVWKVC+FMz62fi7x6iZUACRfGFvM7jb+CTX+LQ9JMq49 EyhqW9tFfUeTUwU+88dtJ9Ipo7Qni0EZjPldY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:23:25 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11453_17425538.1220387005450" References: <281758.23640.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:23:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11453_17425538.1220387005450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm a Godin fan also, but yeah, that headstock is wickity-wack.On the other hand, maybe they save production costs by having the same headstock for the nylon and steel-string models? TH On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I just got a Multiac Spectrum. Love it. However, why they use a fucking > slotted headstock is beyond me. Its ugly, bigger then it needs to be, hard > to string, and it doesnt fit in gigbags, or guitar hangers. I just > commisioned a local luthier to build a new neck for it. Can't wait. > > ------=_Part_11453_17425538.1220387005450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'm a Godin fan also, but yeah, that headstock is wickity-wack.
On the other hand, maybe they save production costs by having the same headstock for the nylon and steel-string models?

TH

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
I just got a Multiac Spectrum. Love it. However, why they use a fucking slotted headstock is beyond me. Its ugly, bigger then it needs to be, hard to string, and it doesnt fit in gigbags, or guitar hangers. I just commisioned a local luthier to build a new neck for it. Can't wait. 

------=_Part_11453_17425538.1220387005450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:33:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216683BE75; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> Subject: RE: more VG-99 questions Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:33:39 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c90d3b$2ef8d220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckNOav4xOsm5HtcSUG+UL2HEyjQzgAAIjYg In-Reply-To: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <2gbtJB.A.N7F.nMavIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:33:43 +0000 (UTC) here's another one for the VG-99 owners. When you do a seamless glissando over several notes (using a bottleneck or a fretless guitar), will the VG-99 respond with a seamless glissando, or will there be discrete pitch steps with pitch-bend in between? I had tried this with my midified fretless guitar over an Axon which sent the midi to a sampler. Of course the sampler couldn't do a seamless glissando across several notes - it jumped from pitch to pitch, doing some pitch-bend between the notes. I had imagined I could try to play with some Indian phrasing, a la Jon Hassell, but the result was very disappointing. How would the VG-99 behave here? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:39:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C54D3BE82; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:39:12 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Message-ID: <20080902203912.78700@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Subject: Re: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LvJV3D6uLpHtbukfdV5uGgjQ9WxrGxRv69YLMXt D8JQ9CqMgZfd8Doyr9QltQfXC3DSdoreFlhw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: SZOOfPxsf2IsYf5yl21oPN14dWxlc1YN Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rob welcome :-) > I had heard terrible (really terrible) things about firmware problems, > crashes, reliability issues, and in particular a 1-second delay before > playback that live musicians can find most distressing. I wonder where these rumours are coming from? > reliability is a must. The RC-50 is really reliable. My experience/opinion is that people just start off with wrong settings (loop sync, tempo sync etc...). So if you can live with the little glitch previously mentioned and don't need it as MIDI slave - it's rock solid. :) The new Boomerang (if it ever finally comes) would also be a serious candidate to consider, I guess. Compare Per's Looper Overview for features of various loopers: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Have fun looping! :-) Buzap -- GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit Pastry Passion! http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:41:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6B5D3BE88; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Hq7zGIlVP9QA:10 a=eD79-wDWU3sA:10 a=MChjQJ0y-Da8b9qiPUMA:9 a=x48MwEfLjvmNFbUZObI7KTwMD-4A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 a=L0N0CZpxHvC7wF6UDqoA:9 a=rO8sa1ksYO4GZLpcFRcA:7 a=6Od_UiHfHH77kVsl6Y7K1JDv7ZgA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <281758.23640.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--584736821 Message-Id: <34C92B63-B4CD-4D78-96B9-B175F11A4C87@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Software looping with Mainstage - configuration update, Soundflower, Jack, etc. Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:41:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:41:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--584736821 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, thats probably it. Makes sense. But, I still hate it. On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm a Godin fan also, but yeah, that headstock is wickity-wack. > On the other hand, maybe they save production costs by having the > same headstock for the nylon and steel-string models? > > TH > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > I just got a Multiac Spectrum. Love it. However, why they use a > fucking slotted headstock is beyond me. Its ugly, bigger then it > needs to be, hard to string, and it doesnt fit in gigbags, or > guitar hangers. I just commisioned a local luthier to build a new > neck for it. Can't wait. > --Apple-Mail-2--584736821 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, thats probably it. Makes sense. But, I still hate = it.=A0
On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

I'm a Godin fan also, but yeah, that = headstock is wickity-wack.
On the other hand, maybe they save = production costs by having the same headstock for the nylon and = steel-string models?


= --Apple-Mail-2--584736821-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:42:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C81243BE8E; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0q139KFZSBXVKJOOGNY7GrTPtcZvycMJvTA1TXRWfMo=; b=AM5UPIkb82su5/wt8EJlYm4Xxqq90GewUbAznscgJ+gON4EmuqVoTc+u6UzGMheT4e u/LBdgyElNXF5f+HgERmZrUTMH1MP6wNA3RWWGtfUEs5u4Z/87UVxjfmoi7hQACKZd6a Lsd8g2MN60Sq5s+qtlm4Xt6DoyMeydvPk0sAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gA670yi3LUvs44Z7lSctSQmgQP3ZPWTY1dXJoI3gQNNbEVe4+BLL6TKgHkWJpnHFXp m4VlZSLe4lEBup7NWbzFIxqyKJJNxuEwk8HIL9Ih2n593j6jiKz10ix9DlOrqmWVWbQq Qcf9PvaRyxF1ZNeXFDmc1g5TwGdksFP9o9ECs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:42:18 +0100 From: "Simeon Harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions In-Reply-To: <003701c90d3b$2ef8d220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11023_14488246.1220388138914" References: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> <003701c90d3b$2ef8d220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:42:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11023_14488246.1220388138914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline having owned the vg-88 in the past, i can say with some confidence that the vg-99 will follow the pitch exactly. you have to remember that you're not triggering on board sounds - the vg is using algorithms to remodel the waveforms that your guitar is producing - everything from handling noise to pick scrapes is translated accurately...including pitch bends and tremolo arm abuse! sim On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > here's another one for the VG-99 owners. When you do a seamless glissando > over several notes (using a bottleneck or a fretless guitar), will the > VG-99 > respond with a seamless glissando, or will there be discrete pitch steps > with pitch-bend in between? > ------=_Part_11023_14488246.1220388138914 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ------=_Part_11023_14488246.1220388138914-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 20:50:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F763BE8B; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:50:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--584248885 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:50:03 -0700 References: <003601c90d22$9f41ab60$39237245@oemcomputer> <003701c90d3b$2ef8d220$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:50:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--584248885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What sim says is definitely true when you're using the internal modeling on the VG, but may not be so when using it as a MIDI trigger for external sounds. I've never used it in this capacity, but from what others have said, I think you should assume that as a MIDI- trigger device the 99's a basic, even sort of stripped-down, version of all other MIDI guitars, and will behave the same way. dc On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > having owned the vg-88 in the past, i can say with some confidence > that the vg-99 will follow the pitch exactly. you have to remember > that you're not triggering on board sounds - the vg is using > algorithms to remodel the waveforms that your guitar is producing - > everything from handling noise to pick scrapes is translated > accurately...including pitch bends and tremolo arm abuse! > > sim > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > here's another one for the VG-99 owners. When you do a seamless > glissando > over several notes (using a bottleneck or a fretless guitar), will > the VG-99 > respond with a seamless glissando, or will there be discrete pitch > steps > with pitch-bend in between? > --Apple-Mail-7--584248885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What sim says is definitely = true when you're using the internal modeling on the VG, but = may not be so when using it as a MIDI trigger for external sounds. I've = never used it in this capacity, but from what others have said, I = think you should assume that as a MIDI-trigger device the 99's a = basic, even sort of stripped-down, version of all other MIDI = guitars, and will behave the same = way.
dc


On Sep 2, 2008, at = 1:42 PM, Simeon Harris wrote:

having owned the vg-88 in the past, i can say with some = confidence that the vg-99 will follow the pitch exactly. you have to = remember that you're not triggering on board sounds - the vg is using = algorithms to remodel the waveforms that your guitar is producing - = everything from handling noise to pick scrapes is translated = accurately...including pitch bends and tremolo arm abuse!
=
sim

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 = at 9:33 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> = wrote:
here's another one = for the VG-99 owners. When you do a seamless glissando
over several = notes (using a bottleneck or a fretless guitar), will the VG-99
= respond with a seamless glissando, or will there be discrete pitch = steps
with pitch-bend in = between?


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 21:53:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7F0C3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <000001c90d2c$05c61700$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:53:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Rob, I have the same setup you do live. Acoustic guitar and vocals...that's it. What I do is mic the inside of the guitar (it's actually a lavalier type mic that I wired into my guitar.) I then sing into the soundhole for effects. The out put of the guitar gets eq'd then goes into an H20 chorus/reverb then into Gibson Echoplex and into the board. I love the echoplex because of the multiply function-make a small loop on stage--voila! nice long loop synched with another series of something-er-other twice as long. Prior to that (and still on occasion), I used the Boomerang +. It works well but isn's as versatile as the Echoplex on stage. Tweaked properly, it's not that noisy. I've thought about chaing the stage setup and mixing the vocal mic and the guitar through a small 2 channel mixer and going that route but I still like the soundhole effect as it looks cool and people wonder "what is that guy doing?" You can check out http://www.bloggingmuses.com/2007/02/14/songwriters-spice-up-your-performances-with-live-looping/ as check out the article there. KT Tunstall has her setup diagramed plus a youtube peformance showing it in action. Might help you see what can be done. Hope this helps! ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 22:24:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B4913BE7C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 462 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:24:52 UTC Message-ID: <53904.61.193.191.194.1220393866.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1KaZfV0MeY-0005Q3@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1KaZfV0MeY-0005Q3@mrelay.perfora.net> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why From: sine@zerocrossing.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-tChr.A.PTD.00bvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) I initially got Live "Lite" with my audio interface and I thought it might be a cool way to do a live show sans instruments. Kind of "DJ" my own music by pre-recording loops and then kind of reconstitute them. BORING. To me at least. People seemed to like it but I felt like I was checking my email and not making music. So then when I started using Mobius I really wanted to use VST instruments and effects as well. Live was a good choice because I could just upgrade from the Lite version. It's also ubiquitous so almost all commercial plug ins are tested so they work in it. Also, it's easy to use. Bidule seems super powerful, but most of it I don't need. I like to keep that kind of complexity away from me in the looping process. Also, one of the things I love about Live is that I can make automation loops that are a lot longer than my audio loops. This is great for applying an effect that changes over a very long time period. Basically I use 20% of what Live is good for, but it's nice to know that I have it for the future and in the mean time I have a great little instrument and looper set up that's stable. Mark > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:32 PM, George Ludwig > wrote: >> >> Anyone willing to explain how they use Mobius and Live together? >> I'd greatly appreciate it! I figured > you would use Live so you could >> record loops in N many slots, but > Mobius seems to have have plenty of >> those available... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 2 23:00:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B991C3BE78; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: more VG-99 questions Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C90D14.FB29AFD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckNT6Rby3icPdeZRhazQAcu5N84tw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:00:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C90D14.FB29AFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I own both an RMC system mounted in a Flamenco, and a couple of new GK's, one internal mounted on a strat, the other not in use at the moment, I think the tracking is pretty similar on both systems but that is running through and ancient GR-30 which I haven't touched in ages. Now I'm starting to look at things like the VG 99 and lap top soft synths to start getting back into sound design and also notation software, so I appreciate the feed back about Sibelius. Thanks for that info Chris. One thing I noticed on both systems was that what ever I could do to minimize bridge vibration helped prevent the dreaded yodeling of the note as they died out. This includes keeping height adjustment screws level for each string on strat style bridges and enough downward angle on tuneamatic style bridges (but not too much) to minimize bridge rattle. Tone Pros locking studs and anchors help minimize vibration on tuneamatic and wrap around bridge types. Floyd Rose type bridges are actually great for GK pickups as they are more rock solid and a bit less prone to rattle if properly maintained. I use a Wilkinson designed tremolo bridge that has stamped steel saddles that lock down, and is less vibration prone than a stop fender bridge. It has helped. I got it through Allparts http://www.allparts.com/store/guitar-bridges-vintage-style-tremolos-sb-5315- 001,Product.asp, they make the same model with two point studs as well as the 6 screw type. Way cool push in tremolo bar as well. Incidently graphite necks work great with Midi pickups and there are now more affordable options to Modulus. The best tracking guitar synth I ever had was a roland GR505 through a Gr300 that I put a Korean made Hohner graphite neck i bought at my first NAMM show, ah the 80's . I bought the GR system from a I guy who had just returned from living in Hawaii, and when I opened the control cavity to take a look inside, I found a dead cockroach!!!! Maybe it added more mass!!!! Also, fresh strings make a difference in midi guitar performance as does having a well intonated and in tune guitar. Ditto with frets, pits and flat spots can cause the midi pickup to false trigger as well. Another thing that seems to help tracking and sustain is adding mass at the head stock, A big fat neck doesn't hurt either, but for those who don't have a big necked instrument something like a groove tubes fat finger can often times eliminate dead spots that can cause notes to decay rapidly and the midi pickup to glitch, hiccup, yodel or other wise frustrate you. Even a heavy guitar like a Les Paul, that doesn't have a big neck could benefit from adding mass at the neck via something like a fat finger, Actually I can't think of any other product like the Fat Finger. Small C clamp from a hardware store? That would be attractive. I think that tracking is slightly better on the bass strings with the RMC than the GK but not that significantly faster. I like how the new GK mounts with the harness they provide, which allows the option on most electric guitars to move it from guitar to guitar. There may always be some latency with pitch to voltage style pickups like these. though from the demos I've had the Axiom seems to have an edge. I think for the players who live with that latency do so because of the world of sound options it opens up. Think moving from Kindergarten Crayons, to the Complete Crayon set!! Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C90D14.FB29AFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I own both an RMC system mounted in a Flamenco, and a = couple of new GK’s, one internal mounted on a strat, the other not in use = at the moment, I think the tracking is pretty similar on both systems but that = is running through and ancient GR-30 which I haven’t touched in ages. = Now I’m starting to look at things like the VG 99 and lap top soft synths to = start getting back into sound design and also notation software, so I = appreciate the feed back about Sibelius. Thanks for that info = Chris.

 One thing I noticed on both systems was that = what ever I could do to minimize bridge vibration helped prevent the dreaded = yodeling of the note as they died out. This includes keeping height adjustment = screws level for each string on strat style bridges and enough downward angle on = tuneamatic style bridges (but not too much) to minimize bridge rattle. Tone Pros = locking studs and anchors help minimize vibration on  tuneamatic and wrap = around bridge types.  Floyd Rose type bridges are actually great for GK = pickups as they are more rock solid and a bit less prone to rattle if properly maintained.  I use a Wilkinson designed tremolo bridge that has = stamped steel saddles that lock down, and is less vibration prone than a stop = fender bridge. It has helped. I got it through Allparts http://www.allparts.com/store/guitar-bridges-= vintage-style-tremolos-sb-5315-001,Product.asp,  they make the same model with two point studs as well as the 6 = screw type. Way cool push in tremolo bar as well.  Incidently graphite = necks work great with Midi pickups and = there are now more affordable options to Modulus. The best tracking guitar synth I = ever had was a roland GR505 through a Gr300 that I put a Korean made Hohner = graphite neck i bought at my first NAMM show, ah the 80’s   . I = bought the GR system  from a I guy who had just returned from living in = Hawaii, and when I opened the control cavity to take a look inside, I found a dead = cockroach!!!! Maybe it added more mass!!!!

 Also, fresh strings make a difference in midi = guitar performance as does having a well intonated and in tune guitar. Ditto with frets, = pits and flat spots can cause the midi pickup to false trigger as = well.

 Another thing that seems to help tracking and = sustain is adding mass at the head stock, A big fat neck doesn’t hurt = either, but for those who don’t have a big necked instrument something like a = groove tubes fat finger can often times eliminate dead spots that can cause = notes  to decay rapidly  and the midi pickup to glitch, hiccup, yodel or = other wise frustrate you. Even a heavy guitar like a Les Paul, that doesn’t have a big = neck could benefit from adding mass at the neck via something like a fat = finger, Actually I can’t think of any other product like the Fat Finger. = Small C clamp from a hardware store?  That would be attractive. =

I think that tracking is slightly better on the bass = strings with the RMC than the GK but not that significantly faster. I like how = the new GK mounts with the harness they provide, which allows the option on most electric guitars to move it from guitar to guitar. There may always be = some latency with pitch to voltage style pickups like these.  though = from the demos I’ve had the Axiom seems to have an edge.  I think for = the players who live with that latency do so because of the world of sound = options it opens up.  Think moving from Kindergarten Crayons, to the = Complete Crayon set!!

Bill

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Consider THAT race >conceded. Period:) Heh! Sorry to call you out like that, David. But after all your wonderful work on the VG-8, you definitely still deserve a huge tip of the hat. :) >Not that there's any kind of a race, of course, or that I'm giving >up anything; the 99 is a fascinating box and I'm determined to dig >deep as soon as time permits. Hope you can free up some time to woodshed with it a little while. I can hardly wait to see what you come up with!!! >I certainly hope some more Loopers get on the VG train, too. Can we >hear YOUR VG work somewhere, Mech? Your review was great; very >tantalizing--thanks! Cool, thanks for the compliments David, I'm glad you found the review interesting. However, as to why it's not easy to find my work, there's a very simple reason for that: I suck. :D Okay, that's perhaps a bit harsh. Were I a poet, I might opine that my muse is fickle and fleeting. The truth of the matter is that I'm an anal-retentive perfectionist with a short attention span. So, by the time I get a piece kicked into something even mildly approaching a finished state, I can't stand it any longer. <*thud*> From there, it almost always goes into the rubbish bin. My wife keeps threatening to record and upload some of this noodling I'm doing all the time. Maybe I should just let her. At least something would get out there, "finished" or otherwise. ;) --m. -- _____ "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 00:50:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52DF93BE75; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20080831211528.M60925@cruzio.com> References: <20080831211528.M60925@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:50:21 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: Dummy-Plug Trick for SL-20 Slice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:50:28 +0000 (UTC) At 2:17 PM -0700 8/31/08, Rick Walker wrote: >Dear Mech >Your dummy plug trick is such a clever and simple idea >and really makes things interesting for the slicer. > >Thanks for thinking of it. It's one of those great ideas that are so >simple that I think, "why didn't I think of that" > >You made my day, Mech, thanks! De nada, Rick. Only glad to finally be able to quid pro quo for all the valuable advice I've gotten from you. Besides, it's such a simple thing that if I hadn't posted this, somebody else would have flashed onto it pretty quickly. Also, I haven't played with it yet, but looking through the manual, there's also a setting that lets you determine whether the Direct signal is also affected by those Stereo Output Modes. So, it looks like you could have your dry signal signal bouncing in and out the same as the effected signal. Additionally, I'm wondering if your old Ampliton trick might work here too: the one where you were plugging two completely different mono signals into the stereo inputs, then letting the internal oscillators mix between the two different sound sources. If the Slicer's Stereo Output Modes affect the dry signal, I don't see why you couldn't do something similar -- with or without the effected signal. --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 01:29:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717383BE7B; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zM3+ZqYPc7fxCaS/ZBo9LYVfHbMtgP2X4obnwqtHOJI=; b=T0n1boZ9aGRX+ltljPLlLuuqiiVOgVfpPJ2y9Z5Srz0XdZiT68RqCVgQm1nnmY1KYv TNuT8OraQozA0iYnbl3Qzh2BrvuhmXdf/MtHnmr0nSRNHiecZ+it5z6JNTEeyAzWq/5F DoYmVckzuFemhRWkThm20Zsi94SSQkGPbAfGk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=htFE56byDQIcZCdjY61fbqDQRcLnQVmhd+4MCAiCZpZtpM/NdbuGjs2C1R+9isuxXX X6Uj+4xsWu7psugTq95l4h12uFuK3i6G2gj4AySIPYs324QMCwZ0W4g8WzvvK206M8dG DLhaCq22CrA1KpODDss5uvlyQSgcSTyw6MsOM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:29:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VG-99 Yes it can In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14053_26973136.1220405374129" References: <8CAD998EE83C123-151C-5850@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> <5091D959-123A-4B4A-9A71-26168A4618B9@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:29:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14053_26973136.1220405374129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Consider the possibility that your skills as a musician and composer may greatly outstrip your abilities as a self-producer and editor. You seem to think that the problem is that your "musician" can't produce works of suitable quality in a timely manner, when the problem may be more that your "editor" is unable to recognize quality in a timely manner. Consider letting your wife be the gatekeeper for a while... TH On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Mech wrote: > However, as to why it's not easy to find my work, there's a very simple > reason for that: I suck. :D > > Okay, that's perhaps a bit harsh. Were I a poet, I might opine that my > muse is fickle and fleeting. The truth of the matter is that I'm an > anal-retentive perfectionist with a short attention span. So, by the time I > get a piece kicked into something even mildly approaching a finished state, > I can't stand it any longer. <*thud*> > > From there, it almost always goes into the rubbish bin. > > My wife keeps threatening to record and upload some of this noodling I'm > doing all the time. Maybe I should just let her. At least something would > get out there, "finished" or otherwise. ;) > > > ------=_Part_14053_26973136.1220405374129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Consider the possibility that your skills as a musician and composer may greatly outstrip your abilities as a self-producer and editor.  You seem to think that the problem is that your "musician" can't produce works of suitable quality in a timely manner, when the problem may be more that your "editor" is unable to recognize quality in a timely manner.

Consider letting your wife be the gatekeeper for a while...

TH

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
However, as to why it's not easy to find my work, there's a very simple reason for that: I suck.  :D

Okay, that's perhaps a bit harsh.  Were I a poet, I might opine that my muse is fickle and fleeting.  The truth of the matter is that I'm an anal-retentive perfectionist with a short attention span.  So, by the time I get a piece kicked into something even mildly approaching a finished state, I can't stand it any longer.  <*thud*>

>From there, it almost always goes into the rubbish bin.

My wife keeps threatening to record and upload some of this noodling I'm doing all the time.  Maybe I should just let her.  At least something would get out there, "finished" or otherwise.  ;)



------=_Part_14053_26973136.1220405374129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 01:40:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8563BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0CDFCCC4-930A-4232-894D-457BDF3F25FA@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: VG-99 Yes it can Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:40:41 -0700 References: <8CAD998EE83C123-151C-5850@mblk-d51.sysops.aol.com> <5091D959-123A-4B4A-9A71-26168A4618B9@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Mech Yeah, sucking IS a problem; I know it well. But I've been thinking lately (after hearing all of Bill R's amazing patch demos once again) that maybe what distinguishes MY VG programming, its STRENGTH, if you will, has probably always been that I use my VGs as tools for getting around that fact that I suck, while Bill's clearly coming at it as an actually useful PLAYER, somebody who knows how to play what he hears, and what other folks want to hear, and thinks of sounds as being components in competent, real-world- approved mixes; very different from my efforts to find a sound that I can stand listening to myself suck while playing, all alone with my loop clones and my mangling devices, and with no danger of anyone asking to hear what I'm doing in there with all that gear, or asking me to do anything specific with them.... Nice to see that there's probably a place for BOTH approaches! Plus, I take full advantage of the fact that anything I DO record and dare to "present," I can always fall back on describing as just a patch or gear demo, you know, nothing more ambitious, certainly NOT an audition, or anything; it's comforting:) So, head over to the vgforums and post us a patch or two, and send along a little mp3! It's all interesting... And thanks again for your posts; enjoying the glimpses of your world. dc On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Mech wrote: > At 9:26 AM -0700 8/31/08, David Coffin wrote: >> Hear, hear! >> >> On all points, except that "competition" thing. Consider THAT race >> conceded. Period:) > > Heh! Sorry to call you out like that, David. But after all your > wonderful work on the VG-8, you definitely still deserve a huge tip > of the hat. :) > >> Not that there's any kind of a race, of course, or that I'm giving >> up anything; the 99 is a fascinating box and I'm determined to dig >> deep as soon as time permits. > > Hope you can free up some time to woodshed with it a little while. > I can hardly wait to see what you come up with!!! > >> I certainly hope some more Loopers get on the VG train, too. Can we >> hear YOUR VG work somewhere, Mech? Your review was great; very >> tantalizing--thanks! > > Cool, thanks for the compliments David, I'm glad you found the > review interesting. However, as to why it's not easy to find my > work, there's a very simple reason for that: I suck. :D > > Okay, that's perhaps a bit harsh. Were I a poet, I might opine that > my muse is fickle and fleeting. The truth of the matter is that I'm > an anal-retentive perfectionist with a short attention span. So, by > the time I get a piece kicked into something even mildly approaching > a finished state, I can't stand it any longer. <*thud*> > > From there, it almost always goes into the rubbish bin. > > My wife keeps threatening to record and upload some of this noodling > I'm doing all the time. Maybe I should just let her. At least > something would get out there, "finished" or otherwise. ;) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 03:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9B23BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1220410924; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=vKAaTtTMg+qM031HagDjopNeNxw=; b=MpL0eFEIHSI8wncAYbKfSKg2gxCDdap2qwNCvwCUMgU39UaTq271SZaeDeGXFZ5i DuEDTIr1J4/loNOCtdpzVyx9pge4gE3wWUh/OcLPVjsq9Z2KIRUR9/C59aie1+rw; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=KKr2aLjzAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=YV9knAxnKah-1up3sE4A:9 a=F1lqPMTwyguOAWhvbkgA:7 a=dJ8nwc9Uq-XCgV27L-UGVOQL9n8A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:02:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:02:05 +0000 (UTC) That is correct, the digi jamman is designed to pre record your backing tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. its a phrase sampler. It even has an input for a cd player etc with a center canceling option to take out vocals and lead instruments. You can record the rest and Karaoke away! Having to stop before moving to record the next loop and lack of feedback control makes it unusable for me. For what it does do it works very well. What I use is the Electro Harmonix 2880 http://tiny.cc/Hqu7x I don't think that it would fit your bill becuase it has only on loop although 4 tracks and a mixdown, feedback and tons more. You can't do chorus verse chorus type stuff, at least with the optional pedal. If you (or anyone) decides on the jammer I'll sell mine cheep with 3 button footswitch like new! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > Thank you for the suggestion! > > The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper it > appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears that you must stop > playback and store each loop before moving to a new one, or your work is > erased. Thus, working live wouldn't work, as you'd only ever be working > with a single loop, being unable to stop playback and store. Or rather, > live work reduces the JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see what I > mean. > > However, I could be mis-reading the documentation. Please correct me if > I'm > wrong. > > If anybody has any experience working with the JamMan, I'd appreciate > hearing your opinions. > > ////////////// > > I still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet) but > the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm often working with > somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't simply bring along > my > own mixer, etc. and plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround for > adding a microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of > switching > between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question applies to many more > products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would bring many more > products into possible contention. > > Thank you to everybody for any advice you can give. > > ________________________________ > > From: Joshua & Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > > Hi Rob, > > Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and mic > inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also be > used > as an interface for computer recording. . > > The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even better solution if you > want to incorporate effects and amp models into your loops (i.e. make your > acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan" > looper, different from the above, but in a way better, because with it you > can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then disengage or > re-engage them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For example, > if > on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some sort of rhythym > on > track 3, then, for variation, you can press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them, > leaving only the third track playing; if you press the same buttons again > tracks 1 & 2 will start playing again.) > > I used the GNX for several years before upgrading to an Echoplex (probably > #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The former has the advantage > of > being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to start. I like it > too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's literally an all in > one > device, thus simplifying the whole potentially complicated routing issue. > . > . > > --Joshua > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34 AM > Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > >> Hi all! >> >> I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical style > by >> getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and >> experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process, >> and >> I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. >> >> I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing advice. >> If >> so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. >> >> I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading the >> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark. >> Heck, >> people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure which > three >> they're referring to! >> >> While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested reading >> you >> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust the >> experts at some point. >> >> So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should pick >> up, specifically, for my particular requirements. >> >> My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at > the >> same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both (or > other >> instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need something >> portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably >> inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as a >> guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an entire >> verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or more. As a >> live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was as > high >> as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping unit. > It'd >> be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a > recording >> medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live >> performance. >> Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. However, >> that >> being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was made, >> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be nice, > too, >> as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if >> you >> feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and vocal >> lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different loops and >> playing them in synch, or in sequence. >> >> I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and from > what >> I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I could > only >> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could be > wrong, >> and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this drawback > (if >> this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). >> >> I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but sadly I >> just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem to > break. >> >> So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, thoughts, > or >> suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come out >> and >> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! >> >> Thank you kindly for your consideration. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Rob "Bodhi" Wolff >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 5:29 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 05:26:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCE93BE75; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48BE20AD.8060109@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:29:17 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <20080901113028.212530@gmx.net> <48BC3CC1.5020607@post.cybercity.dk> <48BC4F43.3020901@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48BC4F43.3020901@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:26:42 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > > > > >>> One more nice thing would be to have _optional_ connectors for 1-2 >>> Roland EV5 Expression pedals. > > >>> >>> Buzap >>> > van Sinn wrote > >> I don't subscribe to that list. AFAICT, it shouldn't be too difficult >> fitting a couple connectors for using other expression pedals with the >> fcb1010, as it has calibration routines build into it's software. >> I don't know the ohm'ic range of it's buildin expression pedals, so >> I'd guess some external pedal will work, others not. >> In any case you should use linial (volume) pedals, else you'll have >> all the action coming at the pedals end of sweep. > > > The fcb1010 pedals are Optical. Well yes.. but the optical part of the assembly still results in a variable resistanse of sorts, so it's should be possible to use another. > ...but if you need the pedals, why not leave them on ;-) ;) sure, unless one wants a pedal with a different feel to it.. > andy -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 05:51:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89493BE79; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025401c90d89$1050c820$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: OT: Dummy-Plug Trick for SL-20 Slice Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:51:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:51:10 +0000 (UTC) mech wrote: "Additionally, I'm wondering if your old Ampliton trick might work here too: the one where you were plugging two completely different mono signals into the stereo inputs, then letting the internal oscillators mix between the two different sound sources. If the Slicer's Stereo Output Modes affect the dry signal, I don't see why you couldn't do something similar -- with or without the effected signal." Gosh, was it me that posted that? I don't remember ever doing that with the Ampliton, but tomorrow when I wake up I'm going to try all these tricks. How f*cking cool!!! if is works, it strikes me that you could then sum the output of the Ampliton's two mixed signals and then send it , mono to the SL-20 similarly and really mix it up. We'll see. thanks for the stimulation, again! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 06:11:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2704E3BE79; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=3UswrcXnPRvotEvlPO8zResVpmmwwCXtNRLBTz5SAhrP5jkjTOg1eoeYghTYGcgiCTsHieglbreXKpubGKUCf0LlIkqOHXVxYIcZiLsGLTphSe0oCFYs6UgVc2Y+c8ELxJTgtY8pnjVV0CmYYw9w6P6rvB98pvDD5fCTKjGI0Pk=; X-YMail-OSG: .3r3FvMVM1lmiv4xvIyAKncNtvczz.CP5gakfZXbsVjn4SjXq8w7kG9B6sn_luZ0EOKWIYpPoInlrDbGnIM6QGvUz2EXAuCHt5NImQphJil9fFdsuI.aghBRR3mhuMrYiwYpHMbooPf35KxvxqoM.Noi X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 23:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: mobius and RME souncard optimizing To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <803525.60445.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:11:26 +0000 (UTC) I was fooling around yesterday with mobius and having great fun,somehow i feel a lot more at home with it at the moment than with the looperlative maybe because i ve looped with the EDP for quite long.The thing that keeps me from using it though is the latency issue when triggering the functions with the fcb1010,is there a way to optimize this better? ive been seriously thinking going laptop and RME fw400 but everytime the latency issues make me think about it twice before i make the move. Also mobius seems to work with MME direct sound driver only,when i choose ASIO i get no sound,is this the driver you are working with for those of you using RME? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 07:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C593BE78; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:52:23 -0700 Message-ID: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C90D5F.56BE8330" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AckNmf/5C5DubrUwRFCY1DnLN9oLZg== Resent-Message-ID: <0EZOs.A.DXC.9IkvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:52:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C90D5F.56BE8330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list, I know this is off topic but I feel it's relevant. I know many of you engage in on line buying, as do I, though I'm starting to have second thoughts about my on line habits. Like many of you, the lure of rock bottom prices and free freight, as well as the convenience of not leaving your house, and in some cases the distance from a music store making that impractical anyway, is hard to pass up. But in many cases I believe we are creating a bigger carbon footprint by ordering on line simply by creating another trip the product has to make before it gets to our door step. Here is why, if a retail store like the one I work at part time in Santa Cruz orders some Roland or Line 6 products, they are shipped directly to our store from their facilities in southern California, which is one of the main ports on the west coast for Asian made electronics. If I were to order the same product on line from, for example, Musicians Friend, that Roland or line 6 product would have first been trucked or flown to a warehouse in the Midwest from So Cal, before being trucked or flown to your door step. If I had gotten it from Sweetwater it would have been even further. Conversely if you bought a Danish made TC electronics processor from MF and you lived on the East Coast, you would have bought a product that would have arrived by cargo ship or jet from Europe, to an east coast warehouse, and flown or trucked half way across the country before for showing up at your door step. In either example, that's several thousand mile's of extra jet or diesel fuel, pardon the hyperbole. So even though we the customers are saving money with the free freight and the no sales tax, it would appear that we are in our own small ways, increasing the carbon footprint, by burning more fossil fuel. Also, I have reason to believe it won't be long before the days of Free freight will be gone, rising fuel surcharges from carriers like UPS and FedEx, are going to put the squeeze on the big mail order houses to the point where they will stop offering the free freight incentive, so read the fine print as it may not be that obvious when it happens. Another negative byproduct of buying online is it really does hurt your local and state economy. In California, where we pay one of the nation's highest sales tax at 8.25%, the advent of discount online mega stores has had a crippling effect on our states economy. Not just in music retail, but pretty much all retail sales. I see it first hand at Union Grove Music where I work and I hear the same stories from all of the other retailers and sales reps I talk to, even places like Guitar Center that for years have been able to undercut the sales of smaller stores like us., they are losing business to on line retailers. California has had a several week impasse over creating a new budget, Why? I believe in part it's because the state is broke and everyone is fighting for the crumbs. What is a major source of revenue for the state of California? You guessed it, sales tax, and they are thinking of raising it again which will screw local business even more, as the state hemorrhages more tax revenue from people avoiding it through on line buying. I know many of you might not care and actually I really didn't for a number of years. Lets face it, getting something really cool, really cheap, and avoiding paying sales tax is some what of a Red badge of Courage among musicians, that has a subtle rebellious undertone of sticking it to da man. I think we all at one time or another have conspiratorially bragged to our friends about the steal we got on such in such and item. Its human nature and for many of us also a necessity to find the bargain. But as I drive the streets of the city in which I live, the roads are getting bumpier, both literally and figuratively (crumbling infrastructure anyone?) and I have made a personal decision to buy on line only when I absolutely can't find something I need locally, even if it ends up costing me a bit more, and I urge all of you to think about the ramifications of buying on line in the bigger picture, not just for yourself, but the community and State where you live. I know some of you can't stand going in to music stores so I know I won't convince you of anything :-) but those of you who care about having a locally owned shop where you can actually pick something up and try it out before forking over your hard earned shekels, I urge you to support your local music, or CD, or appliance, or computer store for that matter, and start looking at ways to Green you GAS. Sorry for being such a gloomy Gus, but now is the time to start thinking about these kinds of issues and getting proactive an individual as well as collective way Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C90D5F.56BE8330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear list,

 I know this is off topic but I feel it’s = relevant.

 I know many of you engage in on line buying, as = do I, though I’m starting to have second thoughts about  my on line habits. Like many of you, the lure of rock bottom prices and free = freight, as well as the convenience of not leaving your house, and in some cases the distance from a music store making that impractical anyway, is hard to = pass up.

 But in many cases I believe we are creating a = bigger carbon footprint by ordering on line simply by creating another trip the product has to make before it gets to our door step. Here is why, if a = retail store like the one I work at part time in Santa = Cruz orders some Roland or Line 6 products, they are shipped directly to our = store from their facilities in southern California, which is one of the main ports on the west coast for Asian made = electronics.  If I were to order the same product on line from, for example, Musicians = Friend, that Roland or line 6 product would have first been trucked or flown to = a warehouse in the Midwest from So Cal, = before being trucked or flown to your door step. If I had gotten it from = Sweetwater it would have been even further.  Conversely if you bought a Danish = made TC electronics processor from MF and you lived on the East Coast, you would = have bought a product that would have arrived by cargo ship or jet from = Europe, to an east coast warehouse, and flown or = trucked half way across the country before for showing up at your door step. In = either example, that’s several thousand mile’s of extra jet or = diesel fuel, pardon the hyperbole. So even though we the customers are saving money = with the free freight and the no sales tax, it would appear that we are in our = own small ways, increasing the carbon footprint, by burning more fossil fuel. = Also, I have reason to believe  it won’t be long before the days of = Free freight will be gone, rising fuel surcharges from carriers like UPS and = FedEx, are going to  put the squeeze on the big mail order houses to the point = where they will stop offering the free freight  incentive, so read the = fine print as it may not be that obvious when it = happens.

 Another negative byproduct of buying online is = it really does hurt your local and state economy. In California, where we pay one of the = nation’s highest sales tax at 8.25%, the advent of discount online mega stores = has had a crippling effect on our states economy. Not just in music retail, but = pretty much all retail sales.  I see it first hand at Union Grove Music = where I work and I hear the same stories from all of the other retailers and = sales reps I talk to, even places like Guitar Center  that  for years = have been able to undercut the  sales of smaller stores like us., they are = losing business to on line retailers.  California has had a several week impasse over creating a new budget, Why? I = believe in part it’s because the state is broke and everyone is fighting for = the crumbs. What is a major source of revenue for the state of California?  You guessed it, = sales tax, and they are thinking of raising it again which will screw local = business even more, as the state hemorrhages more tax revenue from people avoiding it = through on line buying.  I know many of you might not care and actually I = really didn’t for a number of years. Lets face it, getting something = really cool,  really  cheap, and avoiding paying sales tax is some what of = a Red badge of Courage among musicians, that has a subtle rebellious  undertone = of sticking it to da man. I think we all at one time or another have = conspiratorially bragged to our friends about the steal we got on such in such and = item.  Its human nature and for many of us also a necessity to find the bargain. =  But as I drive the streets of the city in which I live,  the roads are = getting bumpier, both literally and figuratively (crumbling infrastructure = anyone?)   and I have made a personal  decision to buy on line only when I = absolutely can’t find something I need  locally, even if it ends up costing me =  a bit more, and   I urge all of you to think about the ramifications of = buying on line in the bigger picture, not just for yourself, but the community and = State where you live. I know some of you can’t stand going in to music = stores so I know I won’t convince you of anything J  but those of you who care about having a locally owned shop where you can = actually pick something up and try it out before forking over your hard earned = shekels,   I urge you to support your local music, or CD, or appliance, or computer = store for that matter, and start looking at ways to Green you GAS. =

Sorry for being such a gloomy Gus, but now is the = time to start thinking about these kinds of issues and getting proactive an = individual as well as collective way

 Thanks

 Bill

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C90D5F.56BE8330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 09:05:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0737D3BE7B; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:05:33 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=tNYN9E/TbdgztDkmc+EVIknH0wPQUr5eyTYPtnn3FcKmHBWrHekUv3AX8naMFVNX/7tgE9ee34njQuTIVIbIm3EN/3kzr4n8zJNc6uIZmvRiF4SdhFHVGWdvarqZbxMiFrd8g37q7du2E5thrdV0c6hy0u9/753Xu9lQXF/BiwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 8Y5POn0VM1mCmEcjsxlPrVQFK.BXh1Lvovi1sX2DOLf.92ZSOlWH00SaukzBE9hJJe6dmKTNYRRIGudjyMRa64r_sfYTx56kVn_p3h4K0QFVo0YIuWarE4fmdTzLlisYqekWwdrecFG1vhs.GsJrnPN_ X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Fw: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1288716457-1220432331=:43674" Message-ID: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:05:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1288716457-1220432331=:43674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable always go for balance........=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.junkscience.= com/Greenhouse/offset_calc.html=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 http://www.junkscience.com/ sorry the OT guys...Couldn't help but respond......back to lurking --0-1288716457-1220432331=:43674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii







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--0-1288716457-1220432331=:43674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 09:07:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0EFB3BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em00 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:07:08 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200809030907.m839787Y002967@post.webmailer.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: mobius and RME souncard optimizing X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 193.158.99.226 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Dear Luis, > maybe because i ve looped with the EDP for quite long.The thing that keep= s > me from using it though is the latency issue when triggering the function= s > with the fcb1010,is there a way to optimize this better?=20 Just to understand you correctly here: you are talking about the latency fo= r (MIDI) commands, not for audio data, right? Personally, I never found any problems here, but I'm not as much latency-af= fected as other people seem to be (for various reasons). One approach I'd like to suggest is that you try comparing it with other tr= igger methods (e.g. keyboard) to more closely pinpoint whether this is prob= ably a problem with your MIDI driver. > Also mobius seems to work with MME direct sound driver only,when i choose > ASIO i get no sound,is this the driver you are working with for those of = you > using RME? =20 Using the MME driver will result in huge audio latency no doubt. I have to = admit that I don't have first-hand experience with your specific configurat= ion, but I can confirm that Mobius stand-alone with ASIO drivers works both= with RME interfaces (Multiface) and with Firewire-connected interfaces (Pr= esonus Firebox, TC Konnekt 24D) with low latency values. (For a discussion on audio latency, see also http://moinlabs.de/e_lat.htm). Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 11:50:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F693BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em00 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:50:21 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200809031150.m83BoLQp002406@post.webmailer.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 193.158.99.226 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b_01_7a56eb269b8a0ff4b24f0afa4d31a254" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:50:23 +0000 (UTC) --b_01_7a56eb269b8a0ff4b24f0afa4d31a254 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">= Message

Dear Bill,

thinking about ecology by thinking about what you call the carbon footpr= int of some entity you acquire, and then taking guesses at it by making ass= umptions about (and only about) its transport route from the manufacturer t= o the end customer (which is, in the example, you), is actually oversimplif= ying the case.

The carbon release from the transport from the harbour to your doorstep = is but a small factor in the total ecobalance of a thing (let's stick with = the Roland amplifier for that). Carbon dioxide emission is - although indir= ectly - one of the causes of global warming, along with many others. Apart = from looking at a carbon dioxide emission balance for the trip alone, to re= ally be able to help the environment you would need to base your buying dec= isions on the total ecobalance over lifetime for the device, which would be= :

    * which environmental factors went into development, = manufacturing, sales
    * which happen over usage lifeti= me
    * which happen after end-of life

Even if we only look at the transport from an international harbour to y= our doorstep as in your example, you'd need to analyze the ecobalance of th= e entire customer transaction process, which would include:

     * direct entropy generation during the process = (which would e.g. include the aircon running in your shop in SoCal)
&nbs= p;    * electricity consumed (which has a lot to do with the= efficieny e.g. of the IT infrastructure, and also from which kind of power= plant you draw the electricty)
     * actual fuel c= onsumption and emissions for all transport processes (this would also inclu= de you driving by car to the music store and back in a car that is possibly= not up to date both with regard to low fuel consumption and toxic emission= s)
     * human ressources involved in the process

Are you able to do these calculations (meaning do you have both the nece= ssary data and the know-how to work with it)? And if so, are you willing an= d able to do the calculations for everything you buy?

I won't even start to go into detail about the lifetime total balance me= ntioned above - but it suffices to say that stuff you hear, e.g. from marke= ting brochures, doesn't tell you what you need to know.

One great example is Toyota's Prius hybrid car, praised as an ecological= breakthrough and solution to all the problems. One thing is that manufactu= ring that car requires large amounts of Nickel, which is mined in Canada (w= ith a severe impact on the environment), then transported to Europe for use= in making semifinished parts, then to China for making the batteries (also= with severe environmental impact), then to Japan for making the car, which= is shipped back to North America. As a result of this, the ecobalance of t= he Prius is far inferior to that of your run-of-the-mill car. But even with= regard to fuel consumption, in a proper lifetime analysis in comparison to= a modern, fuel-efficient car with conventional power train (say, e.g., a B= MW 118d), the Toyota looses even only regarding the co2 emissions for drivi= ng it. And in specific situations, it will even loose to a 430bhp BMW M3 sp= orts car (see Top Gear's S11E1 episode for a demonstration of that).

Not wanting to sound like a complete dickhole, but have you ever compare= d the life ecobalance of a solid state guitar amp to that of a tube amp? ;)=


Your second point is also interesting and well taken, although all t= he same relatively complicated. In typical federal countries and other unio= ns, there's mostly some kind of communist cash flow (e.g. financial equaliz= ation) between states (which, I'd believe, would happen from California to = some mid-west states), which is based on that state's GNP. Now, if you live= in a (relatively) prosperous state, will it help more to buy locally (thus= increasing the local GNP, which will increase the state's spending on fina= ncial equalization), or will it help more to buy in the mid-west (thus incr= easing their local GNP, thus decreasing financial equalization and helping = your local state)?
It's interesting insofar as in some cases, selling on= line is a viable and sometimes the only business option for businesses in s= tructurally weaker regions. Of course, most of the time states like Califor= nia, Bavaria etc. would benefit most if the would secede from the U.S./Germ= any/EU, but failing that, it will help in the long run to empower the struc= turally weaker regions.
(I have been buying online for years in a shop l= ocated in one of Germany's least developed regions near Berlin. I once had = a long chat with their managing director, and he basically told me that the= local customers usually were of a kind that they would shop for e.g. guita= r strings and, if they once really had a lot of money to spare, for a =8030= effects pedal. Short of being forced to declare bankrupcy, his resurgence = came with online sales to other, economically stronger regions, which in th= e long run helps everybody in a global market. This small shop, short of go= ing out of business, now employs a lot of people, which in turn earn good m= oney and use that to buy...stuff from California, which helps the economy t= here, which will allow you...you get the message).

Economical systems usually are able to properly regulate itself. Reasons= for that not working are all the things which are government-enforced like= taxes, financial equalization, unions and similar awkward concepts.

It is perfectly understandable that you may want to support your local d= ealership (for whatever reason, be it that you like to go to a store instea= d of ordering online, or that you work at that dealership or that you like = the people). But as above, optimizing your buying strategy in order to be i= n line with non-local economical considerations is somewhat...complex.

Best,

            =      Rainer



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Betreff: OT redu= cing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in
Gesendet: Mi, 03. Sep 2008
Von: William Walker

Dear list,

 I know this is off topic but I feel it=92s relevant.

 I know many of you engage in on line buying, as do I, though I=92m= starting to have second thoughts about  my on line habits. Like many = of you, the lure of rock bottom prices and free freight, as well as the con= venience of not leaving your house, and in some cases the distance from a m= usic store making that impractical anyway, is hard to pass up. <= /SPAN>

 But in many cases I believe we are creating a bigger carbon footpr= int by ordering on line simply by creating another trip the product has to = make before it gets to our door step. Here is why, if a retail store like t= he one I work at part time in Santa Cruz orders some Roland or Line 6 products, they are shipped directly t= o our store from their facilities in southern California, which is one of the ma= in ports on the west coast for Asian made electronics.  If I were to o= rder the same product on line from, for example, Musicians Friend, that Rol= and or line 6 product would have first been trucked or flown to a warehouse= in the Midwest from So Cal, before bein= g trucked or flown to your door step. If I had gotten it from Sweetwater it= would have been even further.  Conversely if you bought a Danish made= TC electronics processor from MF and you lived on the East Coast, you woul= d have bought a product that would have arrived by cargo ship or jet from <= st1:place w:st=3D"on">Europe, to an east coast warehouse, and f= lown or trucked half way across the country before for showing up at your d= oor step. In either example, that=92s several thousand mile=92s of extra je= t or diesel fuel, pardon the hyperbole. So even though we the customers are= saving money with the free freight and the no sales tax, it would appear t= hat we are in our own small ways, increasing the carbon footprint, by burni= ng more fossil fuel. Also, I have reason to believe  it won=92t be lon= g before the days of Free freight will be gone, rising fuel surcharges from= carriers like UPS and FedEx, are going to  put the squeeze on the big= mail order houses to the point where they will stop offering the free frei= ght  incentive, so read the fine print as it may not be that obvious w= hen it happens.

 Another negative byproduct of buying online is it really does hurt= your local and state economy. In California, where we pay one of the nation=92s= highest sales tax at 8.25%, the advent of discount online mega stores has = had a crippling effect on our states economy. Not just in music retail, but= pretty much all retail sales.  I see it first hand at Union Grove Mus= ic where I work and I hear the same stories from all of the other retailers= and sales reps I talk to, even places like Guitar Center  that  = for years have been able to undercut the  sales of smaller stores like= us., they are losing business to on line retailers.  California has had a= several week impasse over creating a new budget, Why? I believe in part it= =92s because the state is broke and everyone is fighting for the crumbs. Wh= at is a major source of revenue for the state of California?  You guessed i= t, sales tax, and they are thinking of raising it again which will screw lo= cal business even more, as the state hemorrhages more tax revenue from peop= le avoiding it through on line buying.  I know many of you might not c= are and actually I really didn=92t for a number of years. Lets face it, get= ting something really cool,  really  cheap, and avoiding paying s= ales tax is some what of a Red badge of Courage among musicians, that has a= subtle rebellious  undertone of sticking it to da man. I think we all= at one time or another have conspiratorially bragged to our friends about = the steal we got on such in such and item.  Its human nature and for m= any of us also a necessity to find the bargain.  But as I drive the st= reets of the city in which I live,  the roads are getting bumpier, bot= h literally and figuratively (crumbling infrastructure anyone?)   = ;and I have made a personal  decision to buy on line only when I absol= utely can=92t find something I need  locally, even if it ends up costi= ng me  a bit more, and   I urge all of you to think about th= e ramifications of buying on line in the bigger picture, not just for yours= elf, but the community and State where you live. I know some of you can=92t= stand going in to music stores so I know I won=92t convince you of anythin= g J  but those of you who care about having a= locally owned shop where you can actually pick something up and try it out= before forking over your hard earned shekels,   I urge you to su= pport your local music, or CD, or appliance, or computer store for that mat= ter, and start looking at ways to Green you GAS. <= /P>

Sorry for being such a gloomy Gus, but now is the time to start thinking= about these kinds of issues and getting proactive an individual as well as= collective way

 Thanks

 Bill

 

 



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--b_01_7a56eb269b8a0ff4b24f0afa4d31a254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bill,=0Athinking about ecology by thinking about what you call the car= bon footprint of some entity you acquire, and then taking guesses at it by = making assumptions about (and only about) its transport route from the manu= facturer to the end customer (which is, in the example, you), is actually o= versimplifying the case.=0AThe carbon release from the transport from the h= arbour to your doorstep is but a small factor in the total ecobalance of a = thing (let's stick with the Roland amplifier for that). Carbon dioxide emis= sion is - although indirectly - one of the causes of global warming, along = with many others. Apart from looking at a carbon dioxide emission balance f= or the trip alone, to really be able to help the environment you would need= to base your buying decisions on the total ecobalance over lifetime for th= e device, which would be:=0A * which environmental factors went into dev= elopment, manufacturing, sales=0A * which happen over usage lifetime=0A = * which happen after end-of life=0AEven if we only look at the transport= from an international harbour to your doorstep as in your example, you'd n= eed to analyze the ecobalance of the entire customer transaction process, w= hich would include:=0A * direct entropy generation during the process (= which would e.g. include the aircon running in your shop in SoCal)=0A *= electricity consumed (which has a lot to do with the efficieny e.g. of the= IT infrastructure, and also from which kind of power plant you draw the el= ectricty)=0A * actual fuel consumption and emissions for all transport = processes (this would also include you driving by car to the music store an= d back in a car that is possibly not up to date both with regard to low fue= l consumption and toxic emissions)=0A * human ressources involved in th= e process=0AAre you able to do these calculations (meaning do you have both= the necessary data and the know-how to work with it)? And if so, are you w= illing and able to do the calculations for everything you buy?=0AI won't ev= en start to go into detail about the lifetime total balance mentioned above= - but it suffices to say that stuff you hear, e.g. from marketing brochure= s, doesn't tell you what you need to know.=0AOne great example is Toyota's = Prius hybrid car, praised as an ecological breakthrough and solution to all= the problems. One thing is that manufacturing that car requires large amou= nts of Nickel, which is mined in Canada (with a severe impact on the enviro= nment), then transported to Europe for use in making semifinished parts, th= en to China for making the batteries (also with severe environmental impact= ), then to Japan for making the car, which is shipped back to North America= . As a result of this, the ecobalance of the Prius is far inferior to that = of your run-of-the-mill car. But even with regard to fuel consumption, in a= proper lifetime analysis in comparison to a modern, fuel-efficient car wit= h conventional power train (say, e.g., a BMW 118d), the Toyota looses even = only regarding the co2 emissions for driving it. And in specific situations= , it will even loose to a 430bhp BMW M3 sports car (see Top Gear's S11E1 ep= isode for a demonstration of that).=0ANot wanting to sound like a complete = dickhole, but have you ever compared the life ecobalance of a solid state g= uitar amp to that of a tube amp? ;)=0A=0AYour second point is also interest= ing and well taken, although all the same relatively complicated. In typica= l federal countries and other unions, there's mostly some kind of communist= cash flow (e.g. financial equalization) between states (which, I'd believe= , would happen from California to some mid-west states), which is based on = that state's GNP. Now, if you live in a (relatively) prosperous state, will= it help more to buy locally (thus increasing the local GNP, which will inc= rease the state's spending on financial equalization), or will it help more= to buy in the mid-west (thus increasing their local GNP, thus decreasing f= inancial equalization and helping your local state)?=0AIt's interesting ins= ofar as in some cases, selling online is a viable and sometimes the only bu= siness option for businesses in structurally weaker regions. Of course, mos= t of the time states like California, Bavaria etc. would benefit most if th= e would secede from the U.S./Germany/EU, but failing that, it will help in = the long run to empower the structurally weaker regions.=0A(I have been buy= ing online for years in a shop located in one of Germany's least developed = regions near Berlin. I once had a long chat with their managing director, a= nd he basically told me that the local customers usually were of a kind tha= t they would shop for e.g. guitar strings and, if they once really had a lo= t of money to spare, for a =8030 effects pedal. Short of being forced to de= clare bankrupcy, his resurgence came with online sales to other, economical= ly stronger regions, which in the long run helps everybody in a global mark= et. This small shop, short of going out of business, now employs a lot of p= eople, which in turn earn good money and use that to buy...stuff from Calif= ornia, which helps the economy there, which will allow you...you get the me= ssage).=0AEconomical systems usually are able to properly regulate itself. = Reasons for that not working are all the things which are government-enforc= ed like taxes, financial equalization, unions and similar awkward concepts.= =0AIt is perfectly understandable that you may want to support your local = dealership (for whatever reason, be it that you like to go to a store inste= ad of ordering online, or that you work at that dealership or that you like= the people). But as above, optimizing your buying strategy in order to be = in line with non-local economical considerations is somewhat...complex.=0AB= est,=0A Rainer=0A=0A=0A----- original Nachricht --------=0A= =0ABetreff: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live i= n=0AGesendet: Mi, 03. Sep 2008=0AVon: William Walker=0A=0A=0ADear list,=0A = I know this is off topic but I feel it=92s relevant.=0A I know many of you = engage in on line buying, as do I, though I=92m starting to have second tho= ughts about my on line habits. Like many of you, the lure of rock bottom p= rices and free freight, as well as the convenience of not leaving your hous= e, and in some cases the distance from a music store making that impractica= l anyway, is hard to pass up. =0A But in many cases I believe we are creati= ng a bigger carbon footprint by ordering on line simply by creating another= trip the product has to make before it gets to our door step. Here is why,= if a retail store like the one I work at part time in Santa Cruz orders so= me Roland or Line 6 products, they are shipped directly to our store from t= heir facilities in southern California, which is one of the main ports on t= he west coast for Asian made electronics. If I were to order the same prod= uct on line from, for example, Musicians Friend, that Roland or line 6 prod= uct would have first been trucked or flown to a warehouse in the Midwest fr= om So Cal, before being trucked or flown to your door step. If I had gotten= it from Sweetwater it would have been even further. Conversely if you bou= ght a Danish made TC electronics processor from MF and you lived on the Eas= t Coast, you would have bought a product that would have arrived by cargo s= hip or jet from Europe, to an east coast warehouse, and flown or trucked ha= lf way across the country before for showing up at your door step. In eithe= r example, that=92s several thousand mile=92s of extra jet or diesel fuel, = pardon the hyperbole. So even though we the customers are saving money with= the free freight and the no sales tax, it would appear that we are in our = own small ways, increasing the carbon footprint, by burning more fossil fue= l. Also, I have reason to believe it won=92t be long before the days of Fr= ee freight will be gone, rising fuel surcharges from carriers like UPS and = FedEx, are going to put the squeeze on the big mail order houses to the po= int where they will stop offering the free freight incentive, so read the = fine print as it may not be that obvious when it happens.=0A Another negati= ve byproduct of buying online is it really does hurt your local and state e= conomy. In California, where we pay one of the nation=92s highest sales tax= at 8.25%, the advent of discount online mega stores has had a crippling ef= fect on our states economy. Not just in music retail, but pretty much all r= etail sales. I see it first hand at Union Grove Music where I work and I h= ear the same stories from all of the other retailers and sales reps I talk = to, even places like Guitar Center that for years have been able to under= cut the sales of smaller stores like us., they are losing business to on l= ine retailers. California has had a several week impasse over creating a n= ew budget, Why? I believe in part it=92s because the state is broke and eve= ryone is fighting for the crumbs. What is a major source of revenue for the= state of California? You guessed it, sales tax, and they are thinking of = raising it again which will screw local business even more, as the state he= morrhages more tax revenue from people avoiding it through on line buying. = I know many of you might not care and actually I really didn=92t for a num= ber of years. Lets face it, getting something really cool, really cheap, = and avoiding paying sales tax is some what of a Red badge of Courage among = musicians, that has a subtle rebellious undertone of sticking it to da man= . I think we all at one time or another have conspiratorially bragged to ou= r friends about the steal we got on such in such and item. Its human natur= e and for many of us also a necessity to find the bargain. But as I drive = the streets of the city in which I live, the roads are getting bumpier, bo= th literally and figuratively (crumbling infrastructure anyone?) and I ha= ve made a personal decision to buy on line only when I absolutely can=92t = find something I need locally, even if it ends up costing me a bit more, = and I urge all of you to think about the ramifications of buying on line = in the bigger picture, not just for yourself, but the community and State w= here you live. I know some of you can=92t stand going in to music stores so= I know I won=92t convince you of anything J but those of you who care abo= ut having a locally owned shop where you can actually pick something up and= try it out before forking over your hard earned shekels, I urge you to s= upport your local music, or CD, or appliance, or computer store for that ma= tter, and start looking at ways to Green you GAS. =0ASorry for being such a= gloomy Gus, but now is the time to start thinking about these kinds of iss= ues and getting proactive an individual as well as collective way=0A Thanks= =0A Bill=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A--- original Nachricht Ende ----=0A --b_01_7a56eb269b8a0ff4b24f0afa4d31a254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 13:22:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10053BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:22:52 UTC Message-ID: <6950759.1220447260891.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 6:07:40 -0700 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Cc: K D Patten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:22:52 +0000 (UTC) I trust you're aware of the fact the the junk science website is run by Ste= ven Milloy, a former tobacco industry lobbyist. He is a scientifically illi= terate lawyer and global warming denialist, and, unless your goal is to emb= arrass yourself, you need to be very careful about quoting him in front of = anybody who actually knows something about anthropogenic climate change. ---- K D Patten wrote:=20 > always go for balance........=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/offset_calc.html=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=20 > http://www.junkscience.com/ >=20 > sorry the OT guys...Couldn't help but respond......back to > lurking From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 13:24:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD733BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+1bz45NEu153WogW02BtmQutpqJ2wYEST1hirP2i 5nc5WUtURuGQnb Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Nico Spahni Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:24:48 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'll be gone for a while cause I have so much on my plate right now (plus a second child on its way...). Thanks for all the valuable, stimulating inputs! Cheers Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Nico_Spahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 13:51:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016173BE86; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=zLhcCCz6vNRjRDW1QT1rrYdPy2y7M/ufPloREvUrW6g=; b=NprzRcxUc47t7rIndDIVzfETRWJvAGLblKFskRp9MakXhOhBVqi4WehGm3RWCKHkOh f547CYbvYou0lNkiKlCXk0Dr0UkKVVRaYOFY3ZePzgd/R4NvE79U4XPCR7WBZaTJgMuH 3TdiMtY5wWbcVgxVFZbYUi8d/U8Nfi/wSfcGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Haa8stQVe1yCU8CQ/ZFNFE1WuPJ8YqrqLQveI0N83CuBEmhD7vbAsM5Dg3cKx0pvKP af9bgaCS6j4jI+WBXCEgYjNzEKtmqyp0zjqOHdjM51L3H+VpWrVBbaCdlO9HBreLz5oY x/nAz0UrB/TMeOODHsppH20gio73OmLZ0TXL8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:51:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:51:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:58 AM, K D Patten wrote: > always go for > balance........ > http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/ > offset_calc.html > > http://www.junkscience.com/ Ahh...That is associated with Fox News -- the fair and balanced crowd, the let us over-consume because it is our tradition and patriotic duty group, the *regulation is bad* because it interferes with our ability to rape and pillage the planet network. I've always disliked the *warming* issue because it is too easy for people to dither ( geologic time scales etc.) and ignore the fact of the excessive impact of our species on all ecological functions -- CO2 is just one of many, many forms of pollution we spew into the world. (Recent data links sunscreen lotion use to coral reef devastation.) Fertilizer fun-off, dead zones in the ocean, over-fishing, massive deforestation etc. etc.... And of course over-population: way too much pressure on delicate and sensitive ecological systems. Why is it that conservatives (Fox News) don't want to conserve anything (except maybe archaic social taboos)? Why is the Right nearly always wrong? I think there has been within the last century the emergence of a new species: Obliviates. These are people who don't care about the future, don't care about the effect of their actions and lifestyle on the world and use denial to support their delusions. Fox News is the obliviate network. A simple thing to do to help: stop eating beef, stop supporting the beef cattle industry. To decrease my rant footprint, let me just say: whenever possible, live more gently and intelligently. regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:12:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B290E3BE79; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:10:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711203f1a22895f0f4a2d7f1b472337e9d371af78f7fbf31ba7be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.190.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Excellent, Bob! >On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:58 AM, K D Patten wrote: > >>always go for >>balance........ >> >>http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/offset_calc.html >> >>http://www.junkscience.com/ > > >Ahh...That is associated with Fox News -- the fair and balanced >crowd, the let us over-consume because it is our tradition and >patriotic duty group, the *regulation is bad* because it interferes >with our ability to rape and pillage the planet network. > >I've always disliked the *warming* issue because it is too easy for >people to dither ( geologic time scales etc.) and ignore the fact of >the excessive impact of our species on all ecological functions -- >CO2 is just one of many, many forms of pollution we spew into the >world. >(Recent data links sunscreen lotion use to coral reef devastation.) >Fertilizer fun-off, dead zones in the ocean, over-fishing, massive >deforestation etc. etc.... >And of course over-population: way too much pressure on delicate and >sensitive ecological systems. > >Why is it that conservatives (Fox News) don't want to conserve >anything (except maybe archaic social taboos)? Why is the Right >nearly always wrong? >I think there has been within the last century the emergence of a >new species: Obliviates. >These are people who don't care about the future, don't care about >the effect of their actions and lifestyle on the world and use >denial to support their delusions. >Fox News is the obliviate network. > >A simple thing to do to help: stop eating beef, stop supporting the >beef cattle industry. > >To decrease my rant footprint, let me just say: > >whenever possible, live more gently and intelligently. > >regards > >BobC -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:12:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85123BE86; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=aTYEgzER5YotT/trZWZGmmScVuqQZVkXhs9EJOEHLdM=; b=AvREBow1ds1jailo8PL/Jp96gHGX6k50fJHS/VMVVAfUbie2KRlbbnaO5JEQDoz3Nf WywFzMl9v1cek5/V8XYaeHymaup+A6WJrO4DuF8q1gYq7VMrvAzWszjWUXsWgVsKyTs2 D61G6HfxgU+c88i7aHvCZvXTHWPk0zVnvSEjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OccagCLM3hnaLLBz7wWnGA6r2qVjIOiR9uwNolVWEQEf/atOwdH+oWhs2eRFEy26Ft q1PRNNUz9CrxxJUgaBDBNGszl7viordii4oJNeRw+sls2FTjGo0b4bx9i9HutoNWJbxA qS+d14zdqYZ8usvydIBvIO7jYvPO18kSF9TSQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:12:55 +0100 From: "Simeon Harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Album spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19822_30332504.1220451175793" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:12:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19822_30332504.1220451175793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Just to let any folks who might be interested know....I've recently remastered three of my albums and have made them available via my site as high quality (256kbps) MP3's and also as FLAC files. The old versions are still available on iTunes, but these new versions are cheaper and better quality - =A35 for the MP3's and =A36 for the FLAC files. I also have some = CD's available of the Captured album. I'm currently working on my next opus...called eScape....I have completed 6 tunes and hope to be finished in a couple of months. Click on the standalon= e player link in my site to hear full length previews of three of the tunes - Lucid Dreaming, eScape and Techtonik. Enjoying being back on the list and I hope I can contribute something usefu= l to somebody at some time! Here's the link to my site - http://www.simeonharris.co.uk - click on Music All the best Sim NP - Michael Brook - BellCurve ------=_Part_19822_30332504.1220451175793 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Just to let any folks who might be interested know....I= 9;ve recently remastered three of my albums and have made them available vi= a my site as high quality (256kbps) MP3's and also as FLAC files. The o= ld versions are still available on iTunes, but these new versions are cheap= er and better quality - =A35 for the MP3's and =A36 for the FLAC files.= I also have some CD's available of the Captured album.

I'm currently working on my next opus...called eScape...= .I have completed 6 tunes and hope to be finished in a couple of months. Cl= ick on the standalone player link in my site to hear full length previews o= f three of the tunes - Lucid Dreaming, eScape and Techtonik.

Enjoying being back on the list and I hope I can contri= bute something useful to somebody at some time!

He= re's the link to my site - ht= tp://www.simeonharris.co.uk - click on Music

All the best

Sim

NP - Michael Brook - BellCurve

------=_Part_19822_30332504.1220451175793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A94F3BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c90dd0$5210c840$8c01a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:20:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C90D95.8D2EC2F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <_0aM-B.A.y1F.j1pvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:21:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C90D95.8D2EC2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Technically, you are supposed to pay sales tax to your state when you = buy something online. The responsibility is on the individual in this = case instead of the store. Of course, when there is no auditing, people = will chose to simply not pay the tax. As for California, I suspect that our problems are much deeper than = people buying online. I do like to support local businesses because I prefer the attention to = customer satisfaction that you get from a small local business. I find = it is well worth the extra few dollars to be assured that you are really = getting what you want. Bob Amstadt ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C90D95.8D2EC2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Technically, you are = supposed to pay=20 sales tax to your state when you buy something online.  The = responsibility=20 is on the individual in this case instead of the store.  Of course, = when=20 there is no auditing, people will chose to simply not pay the=20 tax.
 
As for California, I = suspect that=20 our problems are much deeper than people buying = online.
 
I=20 do like to support local businesses because I prefer the attention to = customer=20 satisfaction that you get from a small local business.  I find it = is well=20 worth the extra few dollars to be assured that you are really getting = what you=20 want.
 
Bob=20 Amstadt
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C90D95.8D2EC2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:31:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FA693BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6pD7rZEeOJBp0C5pJL5sQY7IX+gM0z9BqhdPIVoq4iX5mzwvdD4mvRFfH17fiOt29aHM4mFDPAqKviMNO8X0HuDemJ0Vlzwm1TVrxasdBy4WGsB49Nke8H9FjWgrOhf2p5JpB453gyGCeGSPv9qUc7hEPFnI2m7NDPjTxweJiLo=; X-YMail-OSG: 4IM_4voVM1kTvd0UgTzPztyuVtc2cRtupBRZe4QvaQO9Nnbayr4CPVYlaYvzMo5nAjxwhbuwyUIiWGvlIJaFKQr41qt.sFH6YZL8UczdgLlUOx85GPacNQPFGzMrLDAOgHoJMkGl7foKjWMuwdKq.6o- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <53904.61.193.191.194.1220393866.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <751127.64291.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the insight. I also have Live Lite that came with my Digi 002R, but I don't want to use the 002R for live gigs. So I'm going to have to upgrade, and I'm trying to decide if I should spring for the full version or if LE is enough. I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't think I need another DAW. But you never know. I'm currently using the Live eval with a MOTU 828. Since I first posted this message, I had another thought about Live and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot controller, you can record both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as such can play back a looping performance by routing the real time linear audio as well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That would enable you to do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or better adjust things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data stream, and then re-render the looping performance. I wonder if ayone is actually doing this? --- On Tue, 9/2/08, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > From: sine@zerocrossing.net > Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:17 PM > I initially got Live "Lite" with my audio > interface and I thought it might > be a cool way to do a live show sans instruments. Kind of > "DJ" my own > music by pre-recording loops and then kind of reconstitute > them. > > BORING. To me at least. People seemed to like it but I > felt like I was > checking my email and not making music. > > So then when I started using Mobius I really wanted to use > VST instruments > and effects as well. Live was a good choice because I > could just upgrade > from the Lite version. It's also ubiquitous so almost > all commercial plug > ins are tested so they work in it. Also, it's easy to > use. Bidule seems > super powerful, but most of it I don't need. I like to > keep that kind of > complexity away from me in the looping process. > > Also, one of the things I love about Live is that I can > make automation > loops that are a lot longer than my audio loops. This is > great for > applying an effect that changes over a very long time > period. > > Basically I use 20% of what Live is good for, but it's > nice to know that I > have it for the future and in the mean time I have a great > little > instrument and looper set up that's stable. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 14:42:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729703BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010701c90dd3$39a70f00$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <005501c90cd5$32adfb40$0f92a8c0@voo.intra> <7bbc77a6be3dc929155752a44a7106e5@charter.net> Subject: Re: looper for the iphone Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:42:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Great ! ..so when "iLoop" will be out ? ;- ) fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: looper for the iphone > How very amazing . . . and inspiring. > > I can see it now . . . a CT collective album of music made only with > iPhones. > > It'd almost make it worth while getting an iPhone. > > I wonder how one obtains the software. > > I don't remember the fellow mentioning it in his video. > > Onward and upward. > > Maybe someday. > > Ted > > On Sep 2, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Ben wrote: > >> well almost :-) >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlZQhSj32E >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1646 - Release > Date: 01/09/2008 18.03 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 15:32:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3C03BE78; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: For Sale: 4-core audio computer, other gear Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:32:29 -0700 Message-ID: <006e01c90dda$4721f850$d565e8f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C90D9F.9AC32050" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckN2kaVxnnRGlNVRQKrFtRRFKeL+g== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C90D9F.9AC32050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Due to shifting priorities, circumstances I am selling some great gear. 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Thanks,

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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C90D9F.9AC32050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 15:38:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8729A3BE7B; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [71.37.57.2] X-Originating-Email: [j.easley@msn.com] X-Sender: j.easley@msn.com From: "Joshua & Jennifer Easley" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:38:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0104_01C90DA0.7FEC70A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2008 15:38:34.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[20061C00:01C90DDB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:38:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C90DA0.7FEC70A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > That is correct, the digi jamman is designed to pre record your = backing=20 > tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. its a phrase sampler.=20 It's both a phrase sampler and a live looper. Just because it doesn't = jump seamlessly between loops doesn't mean that it can't be used live, = or that it wasn't "designed" to; it just means that the loop itself is a = static, one way sort of thing. . . an obvious limitation when comparing = it to other loopers, but still useful in its own way, esp. for beginners = . . > From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53 PM > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >=20 >=20 >> Thank you for the suggestion! >> >> The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper = it >> appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears that you must = stop >> playback and store each loop before moving to a new one, or your work = is >> erased. Thus, working live wouldn't work, as you'd only ever be = working >> with a single loop, being unable to stop playback and store. Or = rather, >> live work reduces the JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see what = I >> mean. >> >> However, I could be mis-reading the documentation. Please correct me = if=20 >> I'm >> wrong. >> >> If anybody has any experience working with the JamMan, I'd appreciate >> hearing your opinions. >> >> ////////////// >> >> I still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out = yet) but >> the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm often working = with >> somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't simply bring = along=20 >> my >> own mixer, etc. and plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround = for >> adding a microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of=20 >> switching >> between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question applies to many more >> products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would bring many = more >> products into possible contention. >> >> Thank you to everybody for any advice you can give. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Joshua & Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:42 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >> >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and = mic >> inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also = be=20 >> used >> as an interface for computer recording. . >> >> The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even better solution if = you >> want to incorporate effects and amp models into your loops (i.e. make = your >> acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan" >> looper, different from the above, but in a way better, because with = it you >> can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then = disengage or >> re-engage them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For = example,=20 >> if >> on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some sort of = rhythym=20 >> on >> track 3, then, for variation, you can press buttons 1 & 2 to silence = them, >> leaving only the third track playing; if you press the same buttons = again >> tracks 1 & 2 will start playing again.) >> >> I used the GNX for several years before upgrading to an Echoplex = (probably >> #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The former has the = advantage=20 >> of >> being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to start. I = like it >> too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's literally an all = in=20 >> one >> device, thus simplifying the whole potentially complicated routing = issue.=20 >> . >> . >> >> --Joshua >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34 AM >> Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >> >> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical = style >> by >>> getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and >>> experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making = process,=20 >>> and >>> I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. >>> >>> I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing = advice.=20 >>> If >>> so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. >>> >>> I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading = the >>> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the dark.=20 >>> Heck, >>> people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure = which >> three >>> they're referring to! >>> >>> While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested = reading=20 >>> you >>> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust = the >>> experts at some point. >>> >>> So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should = pick >>> up, specifically, for my particular requirements. >>> >>> My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and = vocals at >> the >>> same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both = (or >> other >>> instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need something >>> portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is = probably >>> inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as a >>> guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an = entire >>> verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or more. = As a >>> live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was = as >> high >>> as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping = unit. >> It'd >>> be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a >> recording >>> medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live=20 >>> performance. >>> Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. = However,=20 >>> that >>> being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was = made, >>> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be = nice, >> too, >>> as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there = if=20 >>> you >>> feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and = vocal >>> lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different = loops and >>> playing them in synch, or in sequence. >>> >>> I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and = from >> what >>> I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I = could >> only >>> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could = be >> wrong, >>> and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this = drawback >> (if >>> this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). >>> >>> I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but = sadly I >>> just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem = to >> break. >>> >>> So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, = thoughts, >> or >>> suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come = out=20 >>> and >>> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! >>> >>> Thank you kindly for your consideration. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Rob "Bodhi" Wolff >>> >>> >> >=20 >=20 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: = 9/2/2008=20 > 5:29 PM >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C90DA0.7FEC70A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice = and=20 Opinions Sought

> That is correct, the digi jamman = is designed=20 to pre record your backing
> tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. = its a=20 phrase sampler.
 
It's both a phrase sampler and a live looper. = Just because=20 it doesn't jump seamlessly between loops doesn't mean that it can't = be=20 used live, or that it wasn't "designed" to; it just means = that the=20 loop itself is a static, one way sort of thing. . . an obvious = limitation=20 when comparing it to other loopers, but still useful in its own way, = esp. for=20 beginners . . .
 
 
 
> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" = <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>
> To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53 PM
> = Subject:=20 RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought
>
> =
>>=20 Thank you for the suggestion!
>>
>> The only issue I = might=20 have with the JamMan is that, while on paper it
>> appears that = you can=20 have up to 99 loops, it appears that you must stop
>> playback = and=20 store each loop before moving to a new one, or your work is
>>=20 erased.  Thus, working live wouldn't work, as you'd only ever be=20 working
>> with a single loop, being unable to stop playback = and=20 store.  Or rather,
>> live work reduces the JamMan to a=20 single-loop device, if you see what I
>> = mean.
>>
>>=20 However, I could be mis-reading the documentation.  Please correct = me if=20
>> I'm
>> wrong.
>>
>> If anybody = has any=20 experience working with the JamMan, I'd appreciate
>> hearing = your=20 opinions.
>>
>> //////////////
>>
>> = I still=20 keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet) = but
>>=20 the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me.  I'm often working = with
>> somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't = simply=20 bring along
>> my
>> own mixer, etc. and plug back = in. =20 Is there an easy-ish workaround for
>> adding a microphone = (which=20 would, by necessity, require a means of
>> = switching
>>=20 between mic/inst/both ?)  I guess this question applies to many=20 more
>> products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would = bring=20 many more
>> products into possible = contention.
>>
>>=20 Thank you to everybody for any advice you can = give.
>>
>>=20 ________________________________
>>
>> From: Joshua = &=20 Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, = September=20 02, 2008 8:42 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions=20 Sought
>>
>>
>> Hi = Rob,
>>
>> Have=20 you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and = mic
>>=20 inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also be=20
>> used
>> as an interface for computer recording.=20
>>
>> The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an = even=20 better solution if you
>> want to incorporate effects and amp = models=20 into your loops (i.e. make your
>> acoustic sound like an = electric).=20 The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan"
>> looper, different from = the=20 above, but in a way better, because with it you
>> can lay down = up to 8=20 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then disengage or
>> = re-engage them=20 by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For example,
>>=20 if
>> on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some = sort of=20 rhythym
>> on
>> track 3, then, for variation, you = can press=20 buttons 1 & 2 to silence them,
>> leaving only the third = track=20 playing; if you press the same buttons again
>> tracks 1 & = 2 will=20 start playing again.)
>>
>> I used the GNX for several = years=20 before upgrading to an Echoplex (probably
>> #1 of the "big = three" that=20 you referred to). The former has the advantage
>> = of
>> being=20 really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to start. I like = it
>>=20 too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's literally an all in =
>> one
>> device, thus simplifying the whole = potentially=20 complicated routing issue.
>> .
>> =
>>
>>=20 --Joshua
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message = -----=20
>> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net
>>=20 <mailto:Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>=20 >
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34=20 AM
>> Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions=20 Sought
>>
>>
>>> Hi=20 all!
>>>
>>> I'm a new member to the list, and = I'm=20 looking to expand my musical style
>> by
>>> = getting into=20 looping.  However, I find that my lack of knowledge = and
>>>=20 experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process,=20
>>> and
>>> I'm hoping that you all might be = able to=20 guide me a little.
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not = breaking any=20 etiquette by asking for purchasing advice.
>>> = If
>>>=20 so, please simply ignore my newbie = mistake.
>>>
>>> I've=20 tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading=20 the
>>> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still = mostly in=20 the dark.
>>> Heck,
>>> people keep referring = to the=20 "big three", and I'm still not sure which
>> = three
>>>=20 they're referring to!
>>>
>>> While I'd = appreciate any=20 reading lists or advice for suggested reading
>>>=20 you
>>> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to = need to=20 trust the
>>> experts at some = point.
>>>
>>>=20 So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I should=20 pick
>>> up, specifically, for my particular=20 requirements.
>>>
>>> My needs:  I play = almost=20 exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at
>> = the
>>>=20 same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both=20 (or
>> other
>>> instruments through the = mike).  As a=20 live player, I'd need something
>>> portable, small, easy to = set up,=20 etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably
>>> inappropriate) and = my=20 hands will be unavailable while playing, as a
>>> = guitarist. =20 The loops would need to be at least the length of an = entire
>>>=20 verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or = more.  As=20 a
>>> live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the = sound=20 quality was as
>> high
>>> as possible, and if = there was=20 little-to-no hiss from the looping unit.
>> = It'd
>>> be=20 nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto = a
>>=20 recording
>>> medium of some sort) but this is far secondary = to=20 decent live
>>> performance.
>>> Ease-of-use is = a=20 bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve.  However, =
>>>=20 that
>>> being said, the ability to remove the last layer = (if a=20 mistake was made,
>>> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big = plus! =20 Simple effects would be nice,
>> too,
>>> as I own = no=20 effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if =
>>>=20 you
>>> feel they would enhance things).  I'd want to = loop both=20 guitar and vocal
>>> lines at various times, perhaps even = looping=20 multiple different loops and
>>> playing them in synch, or = in=20 sequence.
>>>
>>> I looked at the new Boomerang = III=20 specs on a friends' advice, and from
>> what
>>> I = could=20 make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I = could
>>=20 only
>>> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not = both).  Of=20 course, I could be
>> wrong,
>>> and/or there may = be a=20 workaround that is commonly used for this drawback
>>=20 (if
>>> this is a common state of affairs for many looping=20 pedals).
>>>
>>> I'm extremely interested in = moving=20 forward with this project, but sadly I
>>> just seem to have = run=20 into an informational wall that I can't seem to
>>=20 break.
>>>
>>> So please, if you have a moment, = feel=20 free to share any advice, thoughts,
>> or
>>> = suggestions=20 that you wish.  And frankly, if you simpy want to come out =
>>>=20 and
>>> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is = fine by=20 me!
>>>
>>> Thank you kindly for your=20 consideration.
>>>
>>>=20 Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rob "Bodhi"=20 Wolff
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> =
>=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------
>=20
>
>
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>=20 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version:=20 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: 9/2/2008 =
> 5:29=20 PM
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------=_NextPart_000_0104_01C90DA0.7FEC70A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 16:13:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79B23BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013b01c90de0$0ee47b60$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <751127.64291.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:13:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Zoe Keating works with Live and SooperLooper using MIDI scenes, so she avoids to dancing on the buttons of the footpedal. Looks into the archive and you'll find some posts from Zoe about her looping approach. In these days, I'm making some tests about the same techcnic applied to Mobius running inside Bidule and i've got some interesting results. I don't use Live for looping...maybe in the future when Mobius will be available for Mac. But what you're talking about is definitively possible (and useful). Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ludwig" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why > Thanks for the insight. I also have Live Lite that came with my Digi 002R, > but I don't want to use the 002R for live gigs. So I'm going to have to > upgrade, and I'm trying to decide if I should spring for the full version > or if LE is enough. I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't think > I need another DAW. But you never know. I'm currently using the Live eval > with a MOTU 828. > > Since I first posted this message, I had another thought about Live and > Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot controller, you can record both your > linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as such can play back a looping > performance by routing the real time linear audio as well as the MIDI > commands back in to Mobius. That would enable you to do things like fix > minor mistakes in the audio, or better adjust things like feedback and > volume in the MIDI data stream, and then re-render the looping > performance. > > I wonder if ayone is actually doing this? > > > > --- On Tue, 9/2/08, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> From: sine@zerocrossing.net >> Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 3:17 PM >> I initially got Live "Lite" with my audio >> interface and I thought it might >> be a cool way to do a live show sans instruments. Kind of >> "DJ" my own >> music by pre-recording loops and then kind of reconstitute >> them. >> >> BORING. To me at least. People seemed to like it but I >> felt like I was >> checking my email and not making music. >> >> So then when I started using Mobius I really wanted to use >> VST instruments >> and effects as well. Live was a good choice because I >> could just upgrade >> from the Lite version. It's also ubiquitous so almost >> all commercial plug >> ins are tested so they work in it. Also, it's easy to >> use. Bidule seems >> super powerful, but most of it I don't need. I like to >> keep that kind of >> complexity away from me in the looping process. >> >> Also, one of the things I love about Live is that I can >> make automation >> loops that are a lot longer than my audio loops. This is >> great for >> applying an effect that changes over a very long time >> period. >> >> Basically I use 20% of what Live is good for, but it's >> nice to know that I >> have it for the future and in the mean time I have a great >> little >> instrument and looper set up that's stable. >> >> Mark > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: > 02/09/2008 17.29 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 16:49:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BBBA3BE78; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1220460561; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ABe+N4w3/0kgV5AMifWHfTrpkck=; b=qPOfhZXW+4OPnmLflEVrz2VMeUmdM8tlRU7meQtSLZB1Tq3N3KF8nYvH31QNCEfb uc4x4hIQMQoVPQv+NeuwSJ+oXYUupgheS0nzmNHacAkEjtS23Um8HinJTVEl9fDb; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=lpkblwqdJHvE4SxOY2kA:9 a=k3StwzxeK384evoHdMwA:7 a=hg3mccUn3wHjLd4vZabSzMWXx8MA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=nQQvFP9iVSb3NNuWDKMA:9 a=7seMyQbrkDSX2GFFReUA:7 a=IN3pch_8j7t3LXftEJlyWaJW47AA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001701c90de5$03034e70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C90DC3.7B270B70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:49:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C90DC3.7B270B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I knew I was on dangerous ground there, hence the IMO. All I mean is = that I can't create multipart on the fly improv loops live because of = the need to stop and save before moving to a different loop. As far as = saved loops yes you can seamlessy go back and forth. I suppose that I = could save blank loops of varying lengths if my timing was that good. I = think that it was designed to allow pre recording of backing tracks. As = these can be used in a "live " situation for accompaniment I suppose it = can be called a live looper (arrrgh). It does say on it that it is a = "Looper/Phrase Sampler". I am an old school type looper sort who learned = on long delays that could fade out and mutate into new things on the fly = so perhaps I don't really grasp the concept well.=20 I do wholeheartedly agree that the Jamman is a great practice tool. When = I teach basic guitar to friends I love to have them record their own = rhythms to jam with. It really opens it up for them. Looper/Phrase Sampler? It seems to me there is a big difference. I just = can't put my finger on it. onward through the fog, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joshua & Jennifer Easley=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Duke" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > That is correct, the digi jamman is designed to pre record your = backing=20 > tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. its a phrase sampler.=20 It's both a phrase sampler and a live looper. Just because it doesn't = jump seamlessly between loops doesn't mean that it can't be used live, = or that it wasn't "designed" to; it just means that the loop itself is a = static, one way sort of thing. . . an obvious limitation when comparing = it to other loopers, but still useful in its own way, esp. for beginners = . . . > From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53 PM > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >=20 >=20 >> Thank you for the suggestion! >> >> The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper = it >> appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears that you must = stop >> playback and store each loop before moving to a new one, or your = work is >> erased. Thus, working live wouldn't work, as you'd only ever be = working >> with a single loop, being unable to stop playback and store. Or = rather, >> live work reduces the JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see = what I >> mean. >> >> However, I could be mis-reading the documentation. Please correct = me if=20 >> I'm >> wrong. >> >> If anybody has any experience working with the JamMan, I'd = appreciate >> hearing your opinions. >> >> ////////////// >> >> I still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out = yet) but >> the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm often working = with >> somebody else's setup (with their show) so I couldn't simply bring = along=20 >> my >> own mixer, etc. and plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround = for >> adding a microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of=20 >> switching >> between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question applies to many = more >> products than the Boomerang, as well, since this would bring many = more >> products into possible contention. >> >> Thank you to everybody for any advice you can give. >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Joshua & Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:42 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >> >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and = mic >> inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can also = be=20 >> used >> as an interface for computer recording.=20 >> >> The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even better solution = if you >> want to incorporate effects and amp models into your loops (i.e. = make your >> acoustic sound like an electric). The GNX4 has an integrated = "JamMan" >> looper, different from the above, but in a way better, because with = it you >> can lay down up to 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then = disengage or >> re-engage them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For = example,=20 >> if >> on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some sort of = rhythym=20 >> on >> track 3, then, for variation, you can press buttons 1 & 2 to = silence them, >> leaving only the third track playing; if you press the same buttons = again >> tracks 1 & 2 will start playing again.) >> >> I used the GNX for several years before upgrading to an Echoplex = (probably >> #1 of the "big three" that you referred to). The former has the = advantage=20 >> of >> being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to start. I = like it >> too (and still use it in my live setup) because it's literally an = all in=20 >> one >> device, thus simplifying the whole potentially complicated routing = issue.=20 >> . >>=20 >> >> --Joshua >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34 AM >> Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >> >> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> I'm a new member to the list, and I'm looking to expand my musical = style >> by >>> getting into looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge = and >>> experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making = process,=20 >>> and >>> I'm hoping that you all might be able to guide me a little. >>> >>> I hope I'm not breaking any etiquette by asking for purchasing = advice.=20 >>> If >>> so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake. >>> >>> I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading = the >>> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in the = dark.=20 >>> Heck, >>> people keep referring to the "big three", and I'm still not sure = which >> three >>> they're referring to! >>> >>> While I'd appreciate any reading lists or advice for suggested = reading=20 >>> you >>> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need to trust = the >>> experts at some point. >>> >>> So I thought I'd just come out and ask you what you thought I = should pick >>> up, specifically, for my particular requirements. >>> >>> My needs: I play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and = vocals at >> the >>> same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals or both = (or >> other >>> instruments through the mike). As a live player, I'd need = something >>> portable, small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is = probably >>> inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as = a >>> guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the length of an = entire >>> verse/chorus combination, so that could run up to 1 minute or = more. As a >>> live acoustic instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality = was as >> high >>> as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the looping = unit. >> It'd >>> be nice to save a decent loop after the fact (off the unit onto a >> recording >>> medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live=20 >>> performance. >>> Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a learning curve. = However,=20 >>> that >>> being said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was = made, >>> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple effects would be = nice, >> too, >>> as I own no effects pedals (and feel free to make suggestions = there if=20 >>> you >>> feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop both guitar and = vocal >>> lines at various times, perhaps even looping multiple different = loops and >>> playing them in synch, or in sequence. >>> >>> I looked at the new Boomerang III specs on a friends' advice, and = from >> what >>> I could make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I = could >> only >>> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of course, I could = be >> wrong, >>> and/or there may be a workaround that is commonly used for this = drawback >> (if >>> this is a common state of affairs for many looping pedals). >>> >>> I'm extremely interested in moving forward with this project, but = sadly I >>> just seem to have run into an informational wall that I can't seem = to >> break. >>> >>> So please, if you have a moment, feel free to share any advice, = thoughts, >> or >>> suggestions that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come = out=20 >>> and >>> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such" then that is fine by me! >>> >>> Thank you kindly for your consideration. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Rob "Bodhi" Wolff >>> >>> >> >=20 >=20 > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1648 - Release Date: = 9/2/2008=20 > 5:29 PM >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: = 9/3/2008 7:15 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C90DC3.7B270B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I knew I was on dangerous ground there, = hence the=20 IMO. All I mean is that I can't = create multipart=20 on the fly improv loops live because of the need to stop and save before = moving=20 to a different loop. As far as saved loops yes you can seamlessy go back = and=20 forth. I suppose that I could save blank loops of varying lengths if my = timing=20 was that good. I think that it was designed to allow pre recording of = backing=20 tracks. As these can be used in a "live " situation for accompaniment I = suppose=20 it can be called a live looper (arrrgh). It does say on it that it is a=20 "Looper/Phrase Sampler". I am an old school type looper sort who = learned on=20 long delays that could fade out and mutate into new things on the fly so = perhaps=20 I don't really grasp the concept well.
I do wholeheartedly agree that the = Jamman is a=20 great practice tool. When I teach basic guitar to friends I love to have = them=20 record their own rhythms to jam with. It really opens it up for=20 them.
Looper/Phrase Sampler? It seems to me = there is a=20 big difference. I just can't put my finger on it.
 
onward through the fog,
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =        =20 Jeff
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joshua = & Jennifer=20 Easley
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, = 2008 11:38=20 AM
Subject: Re: New Member - = Buying Advice=20 and Opinions Sought

 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Duke" <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 = 8:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: New Member - Buying = Advice and=20 Opinions Sought

> That is correct, the digi jamman = is designed=20 to pre record your backing
> tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. = its a=20 phrase sampler.
 
It's both a phrase sampler and a live looper. = Just=20 because it doesn't jump seamlessly between loops doesn't mean that=20 it can't be used live, or that it wasn't "designed" to; it = just=20 means that the loop itself is a static, one way sort of = thing. . .=20 an obvious limitation when comparing it to other loopers, but still = useful in=20 its own way, esp. for beginners . . .
 
 
 
> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" = <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>
>=20 To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 = 2:53=20 PM
> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions = Sought
>=20
>
>> Thank you for the = suggestion!
>>
>>=20 The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper=20 it
>> appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears = that you=20 must stop
>> playback and store each loop before moving to a = new one,=20 or your work is
>> erased.  Thus, working live wouldn't = work, as=20 you'd only ever be working
>> with a single loop, being = unable to=20 stop playback and store.  Or rather,
>> live work = reduces the=20 JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see what I
>>=20 mean.
>>
>> However, I could be mis-reading the=20 documentation.  Please correct me if
>> I'm
>> = wrong.
>>
>> If anybody has any experience working = with the=20 JamMan, I'd appreciate
>> hearing your=20 opinions.
>>
>> = //////////////
>>
>> I=20 still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet)=20 but
>> the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me.  = I'm=20 often working with
>> somebody else's setup (with their show) = so I=20 couldn't simply bring along
>> my
>> own mixer, = etc. and=20 plug back in.  Is there an easy-ish workaround for
>> = adding a=20 microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of
>> = switching
>> between mic/inst/both ?)  I guess this = question=20 applies to many more
>> products than the Boomerang, as well, = since=20 this would bring many more
>> products into possible=20 contention.
>>
>> Thank you to everybody for any = advice you=20 can give.
>>
>>=20 ________________________________
>>
>> From: Joshua = &=20 Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, = September=20 02, 2008 8:42 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions = Sought
>>
>>
>> Hi = Rob,
>>
>>=20 Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and=20 mic
>> inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), = and can=20 also be
>> used
>> as an interface for computer = recording.=20
>>
>> The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an = even=20 better solution if you
>> want to incorporate effects and amp = models=20 into your loops (i.e. make your
>> acoustic sound like an = electric).=20 The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan"
>> looper, different from = the=20 above, but in a way better, because with it you
>> can lay = down up to=20 8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then disengage or
>> = re-engage=20 them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For example, =
>>=20 if
>> on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and = some sort=20 of rhythym
>> on
>> track 3, then, for variation, = you can=20 press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them,
>> leaving only the = third=20 track playing; if you press the same buttons again
>> tracks = 1 &=20 2 will start playing again.)
>>
>> I used the GNX = for=20 several years before upgrading to an Echoplex (probably
>> #1 = of the=20 "big three" that you referred to). The former has the advantage =
>>=20 of
>> being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way = to=20 start. I like it
>> too (and still use it in my live setup) = because=20 it's literally an all in
>> one
>> device, thus = simplifying=20 the whole potentially complicated routing issue.
>> = .
>>=20
>>
>> --Joshua
>>
>>
>> = -----=20 Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" = <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net
>>=20 <mailto:Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>=20 >
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34=20 AM
>> Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions=20 Sought
>>
>>
>>> Hi=20 all!
>>>
>>> I'm a new member to the list, and = I'm=20 looking to expand my musical style
>> by
>>> = getting into=20 looping.  However, I find that my lack of knowledge = and
>>>=20 experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process, =
>>> and
>>> I'm hoping that you all might be = able to=20 guide me a little.
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not = breaking any=20 etiquette by asking for purchasing advice.
>>> = If
>>>=20 so, please simply ignore my newbie = mistake.
>>>
>>>=20 I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading=20 the
>>> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still = mostly in=20 the dark.
>>> Heck,
>>> people keep referring = to the=20 "big three", and I'm still not sure which
>> = three
>>>=20 they're referring to!
>>>
>>> While I'd = appreciate any=20 reading lists or advice for suggested reading
>>>=20 you
>>> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going = to need=20 to trust the
>>> experts at some=20 point.
>>>
>>> So I thought I'd just come out = and ask=20 you what you thought I should pick
>>> up, specifically, = for my=20 particular requirements.
>>>
>>> My = needs:  I=20 play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals = at
>>=20 the
>>> same time, and would want to loop either guitar or = vocals=20 or both (or
>> other
>>> instruments through the=20 mike).  As a live player, I'd need something
>>> = portable,=20 small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is = probably
>>>=20 inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as=20 a
>>> guitarist.  The loops would need to be at least = the=20 length of an entire
>>> verse/chorus combination, so that = could=20 run up to 1 minute or more.  As a
>>> live acoustic=20 instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was as
>>=20 high
>>> as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss = from the=20 looping unit.
>> It'd
>>> be nice to save a = decent loop=20 after the fact (off the unit onto a
>> = recording
>>>=20 medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live =
>>>=20 performance.
>>> Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting = a=20 learning curve.  However,
>>> that
>>> = being=20 said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was=20 made,
>>> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus!  = Simple=20 effects would be nice,
>> too,
>>> as I own no = effects=20 pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if
>>>=20 you
>>> feel they would enhance things).  I'd want to = loop=20 both guitar and vocal
>>> lines at various times, perhaps = even=20 looping multiple different loops and
>>> playing them in = synch, or=20 in sequence.
>>>
>>> I looked at the new = Boomerang III=20 specs on a friends' advice, and from
>> what
>>> = I could=20 make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I = could
>>=20 only
>>> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not = both).  Of=20 course, I could be
>> wrong,
>>> and/or there may = be a=20 workaround that is commonly used for this drawback
>>=20 (if
>>> this is a common state of affairs for many looping = pedals).
>>>
>>> I'm extremely interested in = moving=20 forward with this project, but sadly I
>>> just seem to = have run=20 into an informational wall that I can't seem to
>>=20 break.
>>>
>>> So please, if you have a = moment, feel=20 free to share any advice, thoughts,
>> or
>>> = suggestions=20 that you wish.  And frankly, if you simpy want to come out=20
>>> and
>>> say "I'd suggest buying = Such-and-such"=20 then that is fine by me!
>>>
>>> Thank you = kindly for=20 your consideration.
>>>
>>>=20 Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rob "Bodhi"=20 Wolff
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> =
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C90DC3.7B270B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 16:50:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74A6C3BE73; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:49:58 -0500 Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Topic: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckNzDx1oGR4BecjQmysUk5EawAIDgAGCClQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) > Why is it that conservatives (Fox News) don't want to conserve > anything (except maybe archaic social taboos)? > Why is the Right nearly always wrong? You know, I hate it when otherwise productive debate devolves into polarizing nonsense like this. In my experience there is a staggering amount of idiocy on both "sides". Bill O'Reilly and Michael Moore are the same to me. They spin the facts and pander to their receptive audiences that like to have their opinions spoon-fed to them. I personally don't find that the solutions to the world's problems fall cleanly into two sides. Maybe that's because I like to make my own opinions rather than buying them from someone else. Do you honestly think people on what Americans call the "right" don't care about the future? Do you think most people on either "side" have the slightest idea of the economic and environmental consequences of the government programs they say they want? We'll all whine about immigration, outsourcing manufacturing jobs, offshore drilling, and global warming. But if the price of Chinese tube socks at Costco goes up a buck there'll be rioting in the streets. Having said all that, these are perfectly fine points: > A simple thing to do to help: stop eating beef, stop supporting the > beef cattle industry. > ... > whenever possible, live more gently and intelligently. Here is a fascinating article on the beef industry from a few years ago. I still eat beef, but I do try to be more aware of where it comes from. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=3D9C06E5DB153BF932A05750C0A9= 649C8B63 It is sad that we've taken what was once a relatively natural and self-sustaining process and found a way to make it dependent on oil. Of course this is also the reason we've got 99 cent "value meals" at McDonalds. Every time I go to McDonalds I see plenty of SUV's with "leftish" bumper stickers on them. I wonder if they care about the future? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 17:03:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53BDE3BE72; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=lNQEDch2qucLfwlLkPUA:9 a=ig1RxSOq67H4zSrBsjQA:7 a=L9yfnfeqY_l6paAbv2KLQbEJ_uAA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "Rob \"Bodhi\" Wolff" To: References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <001701c90de5$03034e70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:03:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001701c90de5$03034e70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckN5QUKB6Z2tgKKQCm0b7Or8zb/JgAAOVEg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. I had it down to the following three -- A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way I need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some people regarding a playback gap. In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've spent messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a looping station, that is). Now to practice! (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting that red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies -- how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie stuff). Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. 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Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "sfmissionman@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:47:09 -0500 Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why Thread-Topic: Mobius & Live...why Thread-Index: AckN0b0T2TjW1n2aQduSY7rEAKl+qAAF7N5w Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76F3@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <53904.61.193.191.194.1220393866.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <751127.64291.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <751127.64291.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:47:12 +0000 (UTC) > I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't think I need > another DAW. I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a particularly good host for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn 5). Most DAWs are designed around the tape deck metaphor where you have to start and stop the transport and "arm" tracks for recording in order to get things flowing. Sonar also had this goofy "audio engine" you had to turn on and off. The worst thing about Sonar though is that you couldn't record the output of an effect plugin into a track in real time. The thinking is that effects are always applied at dynamically to a dry signal so you can change them later. You can hear the effect as the track is recording, but what is recorded is the dry signal. Since Mobius has to be an effect in Sonar, this means you can't have Sonar record a Mobius performance. The nice thing about Live is that was designed for live performance rather offline editing. I found it easier to use as a virtual "rack" where you can combine plugin chains without worrying about recording. > Since I first posted this message, I had another thought about Live > and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot controller, you can record > both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as such can play > back a looping performance by routing the real time linear audio as > well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That would enable you to > do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or better adjust > things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data stream, and then > re-render the looping performance. > > I wonder if anyone is actually doing this? I tried this once but due to the slight quantization of MIDI events I never got back exactly what I performed the first time. But it may be close enough depending on what you want. This is the way you would have to work in Sonar because it can only record the dry signal. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B403BE79; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 68050935/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.129.214 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.129.214 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4AAJtvvkhPToHW/2dsb2JhbAAIt1CBZ4M9 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="68050935" Message-ID: <48BED27B.3000501@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:07:55 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:07:40 +0000 (UTC) bye for now Nico, and thanks for the music see you later andy butler Nico Spahni wrote: > Hi folks > > I'll be gone for a while cause I have so much on my plate right now > (plus a second child on its way...). Thanks for all the valuable, > stimulating inputs! > > Cheers > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Nico_Spahni > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA2F3BE7B; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VfsAQbyJfH0A:10 a=A2EIzrMcvW4A:10 a=EChvumi-pMGrzj3KJIUA:9 a=gZ4Q4XWIWWQQ37tPmBsA:7 a=JoWLBRsfXpPwlYYvBVPPc6Y379AA:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <001701c90de5$03034e70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61843EA9-BA36-46C7-A095-1F7925C9DE34@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Gaber Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:10:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Rob- For learning how to use the Roland I recommend using the Rhythm guides and the most simplest ones at that- unless you actually want to use the included beats for your songs. Doubtful. And set Guide: Play count to 1 meas. This will give you a count in and some time to prepare. I know you probably wont use the rhythm guide (or count in) when you perform but this will get you get you comfortable with machine. And read the manual front to back. Very Important! Last but not least, find and familiarize yourself with all the menus. The Parameter < and > buttons are your friend. :) Good luck and email privately if you have more questions. Chris On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Rob "Bodhi" Wolff wrote: > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. > > I had it down to the following three -- > > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint > and > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in > the way I > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) > > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live > could only > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) > > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of > complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that > bothers some > people regarding a playback gap. > > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links > provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour > I've spent > messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I > couldn't do > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- > without a > looping station, that is). > > Now to practice! > > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a > timely > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out > that the > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps > insisting that > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) > > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for > newbies -- > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" > then feel > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie > stuff). > > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:13:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ADA13BE79; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=klxLGqGjeEo+VuqTy5nqlWxPSMlxV1sZRyJxl96Ts3BT4QHIXFDiBXCiQFWkt0hmLv8KCD6Ba43d996v/XxnqLgymYXKc9mTUkaTGVEvjVBrjUQPgtvlo/9g317+NAwHeIdlLoC6tiiY1+6/cnr9njOksqMCjF7KoXZVAIWhjoA=; X-YMail-OSG: WLEORUwVM1mA298qWym2PELT_5n0CfTzouBZuKhYAbbsKQRCEBDvNMtHZG.mqo7k2LjvOU1pclkptDewUKKF7m1Tt6lN8pYon_4IBBviD8Pj6A8W_gNe.s00ht0diNuOobIF.SdSe97piWYcH4fGZVI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76F3@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <288709.71427.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, Thanks for the observations on Sonar. What I meant about already having a couple of DAWs is that I'm trying to decide if I should shell out $$ for the full version of Live (i.e. purchase yet another DAW), or if the LE version would be suitable (it's $200 less) for use as a looping host, and I would continue to use Sonar/Protools for traditional audio production. I'm just trying not to buy more software than I actually need. :) BTW, I got Mobius working really well last night using Live as the host and a Pok for a controller. It had been a long rough weekend of hardware/software troubleshooting that culminated in a disk reformat and reinstall of XP. Finally I was in looping heaven! Next steps...re-investigate Bidule now that I have a computer and audio interface that are working properly. And get MIDI in and out of the GR-20 so I can (hopefully) re-map the controller pedal of the GR-20 to Mobius' volume/feedback. -George --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why > To: "sfmissionman@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:47 AM > > I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't > think I need > > another DAW. > > I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a > particularly good host > for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn > 5). Most DAWs > are designed around the tape deck metaphor where you have > to start and > stop the transport and "arm" tracks for recording > in order to get > things flowing. Sonar also had this goofy "audio > engine" you had to > turn on and off. > > The worst thing about Sonar though is that you couldn't > record the > output of an effect plugin into a track in real time. The > thinking is > that effects are always applied at dynamically to a dry > signal so you > can change them later. You can hear the effect as the > track is > recording, but what is recorded is the dry signal. Since > Mobius has > to be an effect in Sonar, this means you can't have > Sonar record a > Mobius performance. > > The nice thing about Live is that was designed for live > performance > rather offline editing. I found it easier to use as a > virtual "rack" > where you can combine plugin chains without worrying about > recording. > > > Since I first posted this message, I had another > thought about Live > > and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot > controller, you can record > > both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as > such can play > > back a looping performance by routing the real time > linear audio as > > well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That > would enable you to > > do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or > better adjust > > things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data > stream, and then > > re-render the looping performance. > > > > I wonder if anyone is actually doing this? > > I tried this once but due to the slight quantization of > MIDI events > I never got back exactly what I performed the first time. > But it may > be close enough depending on what you want. This is the > way you > would have to work in Sonar because it can only record the > dry signal. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:13:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E92B3BE86; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WklsR0B1KkfYXtj+/kulRJLoxML15ZUDQEtvkD+ppxg=; b=h7rtQc1ZLfg2c6RQf5WoWV6d4PoDcvw+upiEyGxP5MDM0TzWhzq1lSym/zPwpfwbZU gvPWY0K/mw5Fwtqq6x+7+r1q8F/5k6AzP9VfibaCu9FE9jg48rx6WQ9YxyEZdJRuIM7/ OlipRWmcKInEAv/H4tH2g9j9Ek6B/h+Ej9EdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BaFsIrr7ZKpzgGPtMXxeod4Mw/r2x4qr/4MffsaaG9OfjwSoTJb7S2dRjC8b52CgAV MBaOeseo2ebB+JpRvBVUvZA7CA/XREAs2Vf13pv+ZVhvzCF3unIAFGJEHFhWwskWog7Y 13D1pB7XoY/5mI9oPFPFUeXLSYq/OZ27ju22w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:13:12 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius & Live...why In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76F3@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20095_25377035.1220465592115" References: <53904.61.193.191.194.1220393866.squirrel@webmail.zerocrossing.net> <751127.64291.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76F3@barq.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:13:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20095_25377035.1220465592115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have not tried it, but you might be able to use TapeIt http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt at the end of the vst fx chain in a Sonar track to send the output to a file. Then import the file to a sonar track. It's not a nice clean solution like being able to bounce output from one track to the input of another, but it may be worth a try. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't think I need > > another DAW. > > I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a particularly good host > for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn 5). Most DAWs > are designed around the tape deck metaphor where you have to start and > stop the transport and "arm" tracks for recording in order to get > things flowing. Sonar also had this goofy "audio engine" you had to > turn on and off. > > The worst thing about Sonar though is that you couldn't record the > output of an effect plugin into a track in real time. The thinking is > that effects are always applied at dynamically to a dry signal so you > can change them later. You can hear the effect as the track is > recording, but what is recorded is the dry signal. Since Mobius has > to be an effect in Sonar, this means you can't have Sonar record a > Mobius performance. > > The nice thing about Live is that was designed for live performance > rather offline editing. I found it easier to use as a virtual "rack" > where you can combine plugin chains without worrying about recording. > > > Since I first posted this message, I had another thought about Live > > and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot controller, you can record > > both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as such can play > > back a looping performance by routing the real time linear audio as > > well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That would enable you to > > do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or better adjust > > things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data stream, and then > > re-render the looping performance. > > > > I wonder if anyone is actually doing this? > > I tried this once but due to the slight quantization of MIDI events > I never got back exactly what I performed the first time. But it may > be close enough depending on what you want. This is the way you > would have to work in Sonar because it can only record the dry signal. > > Jeff > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_20095_25377035.1220465592115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I have not tried it, but you might be able to use TapeIt http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt 

at the end of the vst fx chain in a Sonar track to send the output to a file.  Then import the file to a sonar track.  It's not a nice clean solution like being able to bounce output from one track to the input of another, but it may be worth a try.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't think I need
> another DAW.

I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a particularly good host
for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn 5).  Most DAWs
are designed around the tape deck metaphor where you have to start and
stop the transport and "arm" tracks for recording in order to get
things flowing.  Sonar also had this goofy "audio engine" you had to
turn on and off.

The worst thing about Sonar though is that you couldn't record the
output of an effect plugin into a track in real time.  The thinking is
that effects are always applied at dynamically to a dry signal so you
can change them later.  You can hear the effect as the track is
recording, but what is recorded is the dry signal.  Since Mobius has
to be an effect in Sonar, this means you can't have Sonar record a
Mobius performance.

The nice thing about Live is that was designed for live performance
rather offline editing.  I found it easier to use as a virtual "rack"
where you can combine plugin chains without worrying about recording.

> Since I first posted this message, I had another thought about Live
> and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot controller, you can record
> both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as such can play
> back a looping performance by routing the real time linear audio as
> well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That would enable you to
> do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or better adjust
> things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data stream, and then
> re-render the looping performance.
>
> I wonder if anyone is actually doing this?

I tried this once but due to the slight quantization of MIDI events
I never got back exactly what I performed the first time.  But it may
be close enough depending on what you want.  This is the way you
would have to work in Sonar because it can only record the dry signal.

Jeff




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Tony
------=_Part_20095_25377035.1220465592115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:16:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64443BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XUoE0zpogyYA:10 a=u9-x5Q-vz9IA:10 a=Cqc_eVSlqt_vFON949gA:9 a=VZQuWMrwzNSVsOQCL28jgkih0-cA:4 a=ZU-YSIV-xoMA:10 In-Reply-To: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B81A582-3767-4A80-AB49-2D050726F4AC@zoekeating.com> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:16:48 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <_cWPVB.A.woE.TStvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:16:51 +0000 (UTC) IMO, the best way to reduce your footprint, for reasons i won't bore you with because you know them already...is to NOT BUY ANYTHING NEW i don't like to preach and chose this for myself for many reasons. for example, i stopped buying new clothes (ok, except underwear and socks!) many years ago. there's enough in all the used clothing stores to keep me going for many lifetimes! and then i just started sewing my stage clothes. same for appliances, toasters, vacuum cleaners...(except the refridgerator, because old US models are shockingly inefficient). and don't get me started on cars...its more "eco" to drive my old VW golf until it falls apart, rather than buy a new prius. also, salvaged building materials wherever possible...luckily the house is entirely constructed out of redwood and stone from the surrounding land. as for gear....i make an effort to get all my music gear second hand, and to learn how to repair stuff. of course, there are items i really have to buy new. usually they are so specific (my AKG cello microphones) that no store stocks it, and i have to order it. i like small geeky music shops, even if there is never anything in them that i want other than cables. in portland and san francisco i would have the store order it and then go pick it up. however, i've yet to find a willing music store out here near bodega bay. there's not much in the way of stores of any kind actually, which makes not buying anything REALLY easy! but i guess i agree with bill in supporting small local stores where possible when i have to break down and buy stuff. i've also resisted selling classic band merch - tshirts and such. even though everyone tells me i'm a fool. i just don't want to fill up the world with more useless junk. (fyi, just try getting a disk manufacturer to NOT use shrink wrap). now i DO like selling my music on itunes! all that said, i don't think i'm a martyr since i'm not deprived in any way. i just prefer it and its how i was raised so it comes naturally. i certainly don't hold anyone else to these standards. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:32:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12EBD3BE77; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b4ed3096-fc74-4574-b435-76e7d02fa376_" X-Originating-IP: [99.246.89.216] From: Dave Lauzon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: FC-300 Repeater Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:32:40 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <649605090809030933i3b202248jee3e705f6a7a77d@mail.gmail.com> References: <649605090809030933i3b202248jee3e705f6a7a77d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2008 18:32:39.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[72208E40:01C90DF3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:32:40 +0000 (UTC) --_b4ed3096-fc74-4574-b435-76e7d02fa376_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SO=2C I'm a total midi newb. I picked up an FC-300 to control my repeater= =2C edp=2C and 2880. I'm trying to just get started by programing it for t= he repeater=2C and I cannot get anything happening. Does anyone know of an= y more in depth tutorial to programing this thing? =20 Dave _________________________________________________________________ --_b4ed3096-fc74-4574-b435-76e7d02fa376_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Use Windows Live Messenger to send messages to = your buddies on their mobile phones Find out more on our PC to Mobile website = --_b4ed3096-fc74-4574-b435-76e7d02fa376_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:36:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91FF33BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "sfmissionman@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:36:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why Thread-Topic: Mobius & Live...why Thread-Index: AckN8MlArCX47S9SSQSru2PHW5nHnQAADXDg Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A771E@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76F3@barq.sailpoint.com> <288709.71427.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <288709.71427.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:36:06 +0000 (UTC) > What I meant about already having a couple of DAWs is that I'm trying > to decide if I should shell out $$ for the full version of Live > (i.e. purchase yet another DAW), or if the LE version would be > suitable (it's $200 less) Live LE should be fine. I'm not a heavy-duty Live user but I have Lite on one of my machines and don't remember hitting any serious limitations. If you don't already have a copy of Live Lite then I recommend looking at Bidule to see if it meets your needs. It is cheap and flexible but not as good at manipulating pre-recorded loops. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:45:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D13963BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:45:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9iXe5efzK6WkKBjo6SOL07dbd4TL7JbTfBltKWZB3R0=; b=OCNY22KexzxeWdXlUgYfUuc8sugLLLCq5wwNwlt4HxYt79ZVbcB1MdjvHg0DmRvl+3 PrXyHchPUP86D8tNBD49BicyytgBA1nDrnjU+zy5GeWj4Bh0vSgLclSF53qyuF0yE3tg 7rGZXmkiMsKG9BwEeWlTsKFiZGPyR8m63kXOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jqFVgS6dV9PhPf4oIvyh6cf2omrNGPiwjxqcGG0OiBoOCsn1YFMRscjhgeYZy4KbkV H84KIjrnjTH+sbz317J+r8ClF6qGurpQlz76XWd0GYpG1CEeWED4FIzv5vuaNEg4DqJj HEaGkmGTZ96t8E4rRnhgQDcLWDFc4+W5BBwtE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:45:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:45:25 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Do you honestly think people on what Americans call the "right" don't > care about the future? Yes. The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing. They may care about "their" future which seems to mean a mostly white celebration of materialism, greed, social control, and dominionist christianity. Their idea of freedom seems to be unrestricted exploitation of people and resources by the powerful. The basic Right Wing response is war, drilling, clear cutting, prisons etc. They don't care about THE future. And part of the nature of conservative mindset, especially religious conservatism the world over, is an unwillingness or inability to face the future -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation. (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling etc...) Sure, sweeping generalizations, but they (Fox News, neo-cons etc.) have earned it. :-) BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:57:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E873BE7F; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=E8RuVM5qCDFbdMbm8vc0jJSTGJARSJj6bhe/apR+O2Y=; b=pJIXi+bSloQOkg3z+oJx+bZVdnD7/VdykMjY0BP0412oDbs/pCgVApnXwrx5+SsGco TSSf4DJRpE+etltglL+rIQDgd7oHoNFVV+sZz5hFfgQYnLsosXkAhblS6PE5diIbEXkk MoH9w081AGboeWscOZE1rzL7tFcTgrXmCEirI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=s9w1C4Wes/PEqY+vODMBts/zSZSwJIGeUdEQZ3W0UHVhJjLQJfzsRBgQnKCL0fkTKb mFoo7QOM+fgL+evP4jlf+/odHhmRm2LIrsmI1qc/EZ3wU2mPZuWlZGV9Pa699wXuFhlf v0lxfxbeNAZeYilWgJO5rG06ax2IEdJVGyyZc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:57:05 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: loopers-delight Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?About_Zo=EB_..._:-))?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27213_7334530.1220468225570" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:57:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27213_7334530.1220468225570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Zo=EB just got "Boing-boinged" ... http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/03/zoe-keating-the-quan.html Make that "Zo=EB 'Quantum Cellist' Keating! Best, Dennis --=20 http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_27213_7334530.1220468225570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ------=_Part_27213_7334530.1220468225570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 18:58:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6C3B3BE7F; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=0q/pvVWBFcakOseiE9MV3hk8vyrjI7ZfPWumPqd6QPIo8hwjk8MUZIW6z5eUPe0HZbB7HLb26+TlQqRCPM8RbQ03yQci+P1noA3yg4PfFliWM9cmiI+BU5rMyUZ279sh46nGm6TH08ANR/GIjFfKD/lrOz/wBalmYq8/b+qNeSo=; X-YMail-OSG: SfCUnRMVM1nZdVgqNYcn0fDLGpNXsB2LXDlyu5i1j79AD9cABx5d.SF8qVgexlrj3Jw91N5_YUaEJWlmbzyz7QeTS7bguTw8jqbGLi8nMCXDAtM1C2D6ohNhayCniaPqxjysWBLra1m0l22OVqCA_ZOd X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: Fw: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6950759.1220447260891.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1600554272-1220468280=:17331" Message-ID: <466228.17331.qm@web39204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <94l-BD.A.cyF.64tvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1600554272-1220468280=:17331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ad hominim attack=A0 .......vary good....we'll see who's embarrassed --- On Wed, 9/3/08, bsgood@adelphia.net wrote: From: bsgood@adelphia.net Subject: Re: Fw: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state y= ou live in To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "K D Patten" Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 8:07 AM I trust you're aware of the fact the the junk science website is run by Steven Milloy, a former tobacco industry lobbyist. He is a scientifically illiterate lawyer and global warming denialist, and, unless your goal is to embarrass yourself, you need to be very careful about quoting him in front = of anybody who actually knows something about anthropogenic climate change. ---- K D Patten wrote:=20 > always go for balance........=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/offset_calc.html=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 > http://www.junkscience.com/ >=20 > sorry the OT guys...Couldn't help but respond......back to > lurking --0-1600554272-1220468280=:17331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Ad hominim attack  .......vary good....we'll see who's embarrassed



--- On Wed, 9/3/08, bsgood@adelphia.net <bsgood@adelphia.net> wrote:
From: bsgood@adelphia.net <bsgood@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: "K D Patten" <kdpatten@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 8:07 AM

I trust you're aware of the fact the the junk science website is run by
Steven Milloy, a former tobacco industry lobbyist. He is a scientifically
illiterate lawyer and global warming denialist,
 and, unless your goal is to
embarrass yourself, you need to be very careful about quoting him in front of
anybody who actually knows something about anthropogenic climate change.


---- K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com> wrote: 
> always go for
balance........                                                                                  
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/offset_calc.html     
 
>
                                       
> http://www.junkscience.com/
> 
> sorry the OT guys...Couldn't help but respond......back to
>  lurking

--0-1600554272-1220468280=:17331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 19:10:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046F13BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=xIVYHiVSx2M8chMx0GHCSv50tiZQGtOUBPLIm3QAsXw=; b=A5+DK8qzYqOWDVf2LM2weBMCKeAqtgEYGYQbMvsbYB3lzmbDmX6PLtcb+2WxQrcqbq PV1gmheKNzU5Y4U15tJCW6CtPBrZ6/ZDdGoxP8c5Qdh/2XDQ4+Nay7e2T0tJXVAkXi7H iTuPiXKlr8lX/be8I3toVoZq2sCsX1z24rLuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=P8b63m1ZmZuMRvrNaZGBdRp07jbkSfOJX8Yy2bhqz9udonoAcpuY6wImidhsOmgLor vn7WQkY9jnbmrOb3yaKSA+i5yJCGvsIBlkrTscMg0h5rsdRIEA2BXwU6igzUvwrsD9Bf dpEdhL9TMeNPtI3EHpL/PILvP109sg0J1carE= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0809031210m7791adf4j1265788d10b79b02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:10:40 +0200 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint In-Reply-To: <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8627_15241522.1220469040381" References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5f8bafcaac4dc107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:10:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8627_15241522.1220469040381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting thread for me today actually. Maybe you clever people can help? Tomorrow I have a brainstorming meeting with my script writer, designer and a customer. He is from Telenor, the biggest phone company here in Norway. They also own the Pakistan and Ethiopian mobile networks, as well as some others. I have to come up with (as creative director and main film director) a "concept" for a program (that is online - multi media - interactive - film - animation whatever.. program) that will help educate the employees of Telenor on what they can do both in and out of the workplace to reduce their footprints. My company specifically specialize in interactive films, but we also dabble in games, e-learning. So gang.. got any ideas? So far Im looking at the REALLY OLD and quite good EVE, that Peter Gabriel made back in the 80's, that was a landscape that deteriorated as the program, games, interactive puzzles and music went on. So far we think we have an interface idea, the earth, something like google earth, but with cutaways and atmospheres, that not only deteriorate if you make the wrong choces in the program, but lets you view scenarios. This idea has been trashed by me, on the grounds that Doom and Gloom messages are not only ignored, but have the opposite effect, that people focus on the fact that you cant do anything!!! so Why bother??? Take for example the Gore film, obviously a genius work, rightly shown in all schools here. But of course 2 or 3 minor errors are discovered and a whole industry of websites and debunking programs pop up, overshadowing the obvious. You guys are (and gals Zoe) are the most switched on, creative and informed bunch I know, so... help me help this multinational dinosaur do something!!! Looking forward to crazy left fiels ideas... Mark ------=_Part_8627_15241522.1220469040381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Interesting thread for me today actually. Maybe you clever people can help?
Tomorrow I have a brainstorming meeting with my script writer, designer and a customer. He is from Telenor, the biggest phone company here in Norway. They also own the Pakistan and Ethiopian mobile networks, as well as some others.
I have to come up with (as creative director and main film director) a "concept" for a program (that is online - multi media - interactive - film - animation whatever.. program) that will help educate the employees of Telenor on what they can do both in and out of the workplace to reduce their footprints.
My company specifically specialize in interactive films, but we also dabble in games, e-learning.

So gang.. got any ideas? So far Im looking at the REALLY OLD and quite good EVE, that Peter Gabriel made back in the 80's, that was a landscape that deteriorated as the program, games, interactive puzzles and music went on.

So far we think we have an interface idea, the earth, something like google earth, but with cutaways and atmospheres, that not only deteriorate if you make the wrong choces in the program, but lets you view scenarios. This idea has been trashed by me, on the grounds that Doom and Gloom messages are not only ignored, but have the opposite effect, that people focus on the fact that you cant do anything!!! so Why bother???

Take for example the Gore film, obviously a genius work, rightly shown in all schools here. But of course 2 or 3 minor errors are discovered and a whole industry of websites and debunking programs pop up, overshadowing the obvious.

You guys are (and gals Zoe) are the most switched on, creative and informed bunch I know, so... help me help this multinational dinosaur do something!!!

Looking forward to crazy left fiels ideas...

Mark
------=_Part_8627_15241522.1220469040381-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 19:15:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256603BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:05:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-991653240==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711203f1a22895f0f4a2d0339080355f8343ba489d8f1b162ecba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.190.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:15:28 +0000 (UTC) --============_-991653240==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Bob, once again, is spot on. The "right'" seem to be very discompassionate (see: Katrina) and self centered. There is an interesting book on the subject: "The Compassionate Brain: A Revolutionary Guide to Developing Your Intelligence to Its Full Potential" http://www.amazon.com/Compassionate-Brain-Revolutionary-Developing-Intelligence/dp/159030330X/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product Quote "humans must encourage all actions and mental habits that engender feelings of deep personal concern (empathy) and reject those that do not." >On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >>Do you honestly think people on what Americans call the "right" don't >>care about the future? > >Yes. >The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in >reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing. >They may care about "their" future which seems to mean a mostly >white celebration of materialism, greed, social control, and >dominionist christianity. Their idea of freedom seems to be >unrestricted exploitation of people and resources by the powerful. >The basic Right Wing response is war, drilling, clear cutting, prisons etc. > >They don't care about THE future. > >And part of the nature of conservative mindset, especially religious >conservatism the world over, is an unwillingness or inability to >face the future -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to >the changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary >situation. (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, >whaling etc...) > >Sure, sweeping generalizations, but they (Fox News, neo-cons etc.) >have earned it. > >:-) > >BobC -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-991653240==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint
Bob, once again, is spot on.

The "right'" seem to be very discompassionate (see: Katrina) and self centered.

There is an interesting book on the subject:

"The Compassionate Brain: A Revolutionary Guide to Developing Your Intelligence to Its Full Potential"

http://www.amazon.com/Compassionate-Brain-Revolutionary-Developing-Intelligence/dp/159030330X/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product


Quote  "humans must encourage all actions and mental habits that engender feelings of deep personal concern (empathy) and reject those that do not."


On Sep 3, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:
Do you honestly think people on what Americans call the "right" don't
care about the future?

Yes.
The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing.
They may care about "their" future which seems to mean a mostly white celebration of materialism, greed, social control, and dominionist christianity. Their idea of freedom seems to be unrestricted exploitation of people and resources by the powerful.
The basic Right Wing response is war, drilling, clear cutting, prisons etc.

They don't care about THE future.

And part of the nature of conservative mindset, especially religious conservatism the world over, is an unwillingness or inability to face the future -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation. (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling etc...)

Sure, sweeping generalizations, but they (Fox News, neo-cons etc.) have earned it.

:-)

BobC


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--============_-991653240==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 19:40:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF56D3BE7C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:40:21 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c90dfc$e7f48050$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C90E0D.AB7F9A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:40:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C90E0D.AB7F9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, I have a FC-300. What mode do you want to use? I suppose control mode? A couple of tips: - make sure the midi out of the FC is connect with the midi in of the Repeater - FC and repeater must have the same midi channel - I don't have a repeater but check in the global setup if incoming (receive) midi messages are enabled --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw SO, I'm a total midi newb. I picked up an FC-300 to control my repeater, edp, and 2880. I'm trying to just get started by programing it for the repeater, and I cannot get anything happening. Does anyone know of any more in depth tutorial to programing this thing? ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C90E0D.AB7F9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Dave,
I have a=20 FC-300. What mode do you want to use? I suppose control mode?=20
A couple of tips: 
-=20 make=20 sure the midi out of the FC is connect with the midi in of the=20 Repeater
- FC and=20 repeater must have the same midi channel
- I don't=20 have a repeater but check in the global setup if incoming (receive) midi = messages are enabled
 

--- =
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/= =20
http://www.overgaauw.be/=20
http://www.myspace.com/sja= akovergaauw=20
 

SO, I'm a total=20 midi newb.  I picked up an FC-300 to control my repeater, edp, = and=20 2880.  I'm trying to just get started by programing it for the = repeater,=20 and I cannot get anything happening.  Does anyone know of any = more in=20 depth tutorial to programing this thing?  =
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C90E0D.AB7F9A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 19:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DF0F3BE87; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_74956ff5-d562-4c02-aff1-1691f94192d5_" X-Originating-IP: [99.246.89.216] From: Dave Lauzon To: Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:45:19 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c90dfc$e7f48050$020313ac@PIPO> References: <002201c90dfc$e7f48050$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2008 19:45:19.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[98B07D40:01C90DFD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:20 +0000 (UTC) --_74956ff5-d562-4c02-aff1-1691f94192d5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I originally thought control mode=2C but would I be better off using patch = mode if I want to control multiple devices down the road? Dave From: tcplugin@scarlet.be To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2008 21:40:21 +0200 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Message=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi =0A= Dave=2C=0A= I have a =0A= FC-300. What mode do you want to use? I suppose control mode? =0A= =0A= A couple of tips: =0A= - =0A= make =0A= sure the midi out of the FC is connect with the midi in of the =0A= Repeater=0A= - FC and =0A= repeater must have the same midi channel=0A= - I don't =0A= have a repeater but check in the global setup if incoming (receive) midi = =0A= messages are enabled=0A= =0A= ---=20 Sjaak=20 http://www.livelooping.be/ =0A= http://www.overgaauw.be/ =0A= http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= SO=2C I'm a total =0A= midi newb. I picked up an FC-300 to control my repeater=2C edp=2C and = =0A= 2880. I'm trying to just get started by programing it for the repeater= =2C =0A= and I cannot get anything happening. Does anyone know of any more in =0A= depth tutorial to programing this thing? =0A= _________________________________________________________________ --_74956ff5-d562-4c02-aff1-1691f94192d5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I originally t= hought control mode=2C but would I be better off using patch mode if I want= to control multiple devices down the road?
Dave



From: tcplugin@scarlet.be
To: Loopers-Delight@l= oopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater
Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 20= 08 21:40:21 +0200

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Hi =0A= Dave=2C
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I have a =0A= FC-300. What mode do you want to use? I suppose control mode? =0A=
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A couple of tips: =3B
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- =0A= make =0A= sure the midi out of the FC is connect with the midi in of the =0A= Repeater
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- FC and =0A= repeater must have the same midi channel
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- I don't =0A= have a repeater but check in the global setup if incoming (receive) midi = =0A= messages are enabled
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 =3B
=0A= ---
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SO=2C I'm a total =0A= midi newb. =3B I picked up an FC-300 to control my repeater=2C edp=2C= and =0A= 2880. =3B I'm trying to just get started by programing it for the rep= eater=2C =0A= and I cannot get anything happening. =3B Does anyone know of any more= in =0A= depth tutorial to programing this thing? =3B
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Click here to find out how Click here to find out how = --_74956ff5-d562-4c02-aff1-1691f94192d5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:04:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0BD23BE80; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:04:53 -0500 Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Topic: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckN9TxWc2mLis70QaiW0a/DFo8cpQACIT7g Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC66E4@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:04:56 +0000 (UTC) > The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in > reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing. Well they've certainly helped it along but I don't find the so-called "liberal blogosphere" any less to blame. It's funny how everyone is just so damned sure of themselves these days. It must really simplify life. Have you ever actually watched Fox News? I watch Fox News about as much as I watch anything and don't really see a great deal of difference between it an any of the other "entertainment news" channels. O'Reilly frequently says the war was a mistake and believes global warming is real. Bias? Sure. Over the top, bible thumping, war mongering lunacy? Hardly. (Well, with the possible exception of Sean Hannity who makes my skin crawl). I know people that sit in front of Fox News for hours a day when they're not busy listening to AM radio. This bothers me because they believe they're "thinking". I also know people that spend hours a day reading MoveOn and HuffingtonPost and this bothers me for the same reasons. People apparently like being angry. They are also easily influenced when they are. Skepticism is a good and healthy thing. But it needs to be applied evenly. > -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the > changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation. > (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling > etc...) I love how we can make a connection between some average Joe-Fox-News-Watcher-Baptist in rural Ohio and genital mutilation. It is similar to the way Hannity drags out Ward Chruchill and Jeremiah Wright whenever he wants to show everyone what "liberals" believe. I am as concerned as anyone about the influence of religious fundamentalism on governments and there is no denying that they are a powerful force among American "conservatives". But assuming that roughly 50% of the American population all believe in the same things just because they're going to vote for one party or another doesn't seem fair to me. Jeff Oh, and to bring this back on (or is it off?) topic. I believe global climate change is real and we should do whatever we can to make it better. Sadly I don't expect any of the career politicians of either party to do mu= ch about it until something really bad happens. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:23:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390873BE7F; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:23:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckN5QUKB6Z2tgKKQCm0b7Or8zb/JgAAOVEgAAb/IVA= In-Reply-To: <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Message-Id: <20080903202316.6B7673BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:23:16 +0000 (UTC) I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has the Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of your loop error potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence. Select Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not an accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop. Then all you have to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following several measures of playing than it is to start dead on. Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down as the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop. If you have any discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two. Using autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest while stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'. I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode. dave Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. I had it down to the following three -- A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way I need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some people regarding a playback gap. In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've spent messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a looping station, that is). Now to practice! (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting that red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies -- how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie stuff). Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C49AC3BE84; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=VYvkbFniHTvT0tp4VPwJDdaT2gn9ge9/fihaCYUROxNkPquqR8zGHLvF6nUZ/XEh4RPPqJ/NoOVs2rQucC1WfUVpKG+c9fxuWm5BmB5vAG4x3PxSMZZepRxcLxjs3N/wg6fi+YrF3SLqaQnqsGZkerck9iJZl4l+2floHAMSADM=; X-YMail-OSG: H2nuedYVM1mxXs09QfiGerKB1gviS3b7xh10yTLLVV.txHbJJD1YsqlSDVf7o3PnokAWGXYPbA2XaeOUcDqCsQv5oU.0GZvHoSz5KVrUPZQ4fhuGS2Q2QdCzcdAF.zDUEcFk70juGxMVJ0X_XuQeSjb6 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC66E4@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-70823354-1220473425=:97499" Message-ID: <430136.97499.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:23:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-70823354-1220473425=:97499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable vary well put Jeff=A0 :-) --- On Wed, 9/3/08, Jeff Larson wrote: From: Jeff Larson Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:04 PM > The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in > reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing. Well they've certainly helped it along but I don't find the so-called "liberal blogosphere" any less to blame. It's funny how everyone is just so damned sure of themselves these days. It must really simplify life. Have you ever actually watched Fox News? I watch Fox News about as much as I watch anything and don't really see a great deal of difference between it an any of the other "entertainment news" channels. O'Reilly frequently says the war was a mistake and believes global warming is real. Bias? Sure. Over the top, bible thumping, war mongering lunacy? Hardly. (Well, with the possible exception of Sean Hannity who makes my skin crawl). I know people that sit in front of Fox News for hours a day when they're not busy listening to AM radio. This bothers me because they believe they're "thinking". I also know people that spend hours a day reading MoveOn and HuffingtonPost and this bothers me for the same reasons. People apparently like being angry. They are also easily influenced when they are. Skepticism is a good and healthy thing. But it needs to be applied evenly. > -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the > changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation. > (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling > etc...) I love how we can make a connection between some average Joe-Fox-News-Watcher-Baptist in rural Ohio and genital mutilation. It is similar to the way Hannity drags out Ward Chruchill and Jeremiah Wright whenever he wants to show everyone what "liberals" believe. I am as concerned as anyone about the influence of religious fundamentalism on governments and there is no denying that they are a powerful force among American "conservatives". But assuming that roughly 50% of the American population all believe in the same things just because they're going to vote for one party or another doesn't seem fair to me. Jeff Oh, and to bring this back on (or is it off?) topic. I believe global climate change is real and we should do whatever we can to make it better. Sadly I don't expect any of the career politicians of either party to do much about it until something really bad happens. --0-70823354-1220473425=:97499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

vary well put Jeff  :-)



--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 3:04 PM

> The polarizing nature of the comments about the Right is mainly in
> reference to Fox News which has already done the polarizing.

Well they've certainly helped it along but I don't find the so-called
"liberal blogosphere" any less to blame.  It's funny how
 everyone
is
just so damned sure of themselves these days.  It must really simplify
life.

Have you ever actually watched Fox News?  I watch Fox News about as
much as I watch anything and don't really see a great deal of
difference between it an any of the other "entertainment news"
channels.  O'Reilly frequently says the war was a mistake and believes
global warming is real.  Bias? Sure.  Over the top, bible thumping,
war mongering lunacy?  Hardly. (Well, with the possible exception of
Sean Hannity who makes my skin crawl).

I know people that sit in front of Fox News for hours a day when
they're not busy listening to AM radio.  This bothers me because they
believe they're "thinking".  I also know people that spend hours
a day
reading MoveOn and HuffingtonPost and this bothers me for the same
reasons.  People apparently like being angry.  They are also
easily influenced when they
 are.

Skepticism is a good and healthy thing.  But it needs to be applied evenly.

>  -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the
> changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation.
> (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling
> etc...)

I love how we can make a connection between some average
Joe-Fox-News-Watcher-Baptist in rural Ohio and genital mutilation.

It is similar to the way Hannity drags out Ward Chruchill and Jeremiah
Wright whenever he wants to show everyone what "liberals" believe.

I am as concerned as anyone about the influence of religious
fundamentalism on governments and there is no denying that they are a
powerful force among American "conservatives".  But assuming that
roughly 50% of the American population all believe in the same things
just because they're going to vote for one party or another doesn't
seem
 fair to me.

Jeff

Oh, and to bring this back on (or is it off?) topic.  I believe global
climate change is real and we should do whatever we can to make it better.
Sadly I don't expect any of the career politicians of either party to do
much
about it until something really bad happens.

--0-70823354-1220473425=:97499-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:28:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5406A3BE84; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:28:43 -0500 Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Topic: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckN+W6Zz5M3gRvBT3iGXjyJW3LPEgACDpaQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6705@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) > The "right'" seem to be very discompassionate (see: Katrina) > and self centered. Oh yeah, there was not a single Southern Baptist church in Texas that was willing to provide shelter for Katrina refugees. Oh wait, actually there were quite a few. That seems rather compassionate. They must have been taking some time off between rounds of genital mutilations. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 20:39:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911FC3BE7B; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=HVOHytCG0rkwKMyKwmTMJkAhZCucfCrL27ze1ohqBDHFTN6a25o2BujiqVul0gLS70yLXWw6ed3AnJkk0fZ/CKjs2uHeWKaGX/lt2Qxy7dp8m7N2+zyLTjKbecFfP1FrpKfJJyqYTNtEoibX15dbfooWaLno/2qkTd1j7hsxXi4= ; X-YMail-OSG: wfvuZ2QVM1nzFC08D0EHP_yQmn3bjHAMxGOFZ9dpmwJrBdiGN5hiqOEq6kTloavKXqNZCw8oSJa3mE3vmh9RzuOgbpui70NwYNKPNXcUo07KZ5rYrAS97TFw8DBosow- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <87EFA406-E33A-4627-8C85-BCCFA61DD5E1@btinternet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--498469520 From: Matt Stevens Subject: New Guitars and Samplers Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:39:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:39:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--498469520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yes its time again for podcast thats all about looping action:] Matt Stevens and Kevin Feazey from www.pinnaproductions.com talk about moog guitars, recording, mic technique, Stevie Wonder and toilets. Music from Barry Cleaveland http://www.barrycleveland.com , Simon Little http://www.reverbnation.com/simonlittle and Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com Get it at www.mattstevensguitar.com or subscribe on itunes - do a search on Matt Stevens Anyone up for having music featured on it? Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-3--498469520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
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= --Apple-Mail-3--498469520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 21:32:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AF373BE86; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 945 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:32:32 UTC Message-ID: <48BEFEC0.7080205@wi.rr.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:16:48 -0500 From: JingTone Productions User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought References: <20080903202316.6B7673BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080903202316.6B7673BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080903-0, 09/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <8gyW7B.A.J2E.wJwvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Hello to all! I am a longtime songwriter musician and neophyte looper. I just ordered a Boss RC-50. Dave, Thanks for the two tips below. Do you have any other tips or links for using the RC-50? Thanks in advance, Joe C in Milwaukee Dave Gallaher wrote: > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has the > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of your loop error > potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence. Select > Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not an > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop. Then all you have > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following several > measures of playing than it is to start dead on. > > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down as > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop. If you have any > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two. Using > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest while > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'. > > I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so > this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode. > > dave > > > > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. > > I had it down to the following three -- > > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way I > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) > > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) > > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of > complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some > people regarding a playback gap. > > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links > provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've spent > messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a > looping station, that is). > > Now to practice! > > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting that > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) > > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies -- > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie > stuff). > > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 21:32:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D6F23BE8C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3606 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:32:48 UTC Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:32:25 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <48BEF459.20603@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) 
I'm trying to decide if I should shell out $$ for the full version of Live (i.e. purchase yet another DAW), or if the LE version would be suitable (it's $200 less) for use as a looping host, and I would continue to use Sonar/Protools for traditional audio production.
That's the approach I took. I started looking for a host specifically for Mobius.  I downloaded the Reaper DAW and its super cheep license fee (now $50) was definitely a factor.  It works great and the routing is very intuitive (unlike Sonar).  An interesting wrinkle, though - I find myself using Reaper for most of my recording, since it allows me to easily capture the real-time output of Mobius as well as serving as host for my plug-ins and soft synths. It's a free download - so you pay the licensing fee only if you decide to use it...

I was unable to get my arms around the Ableton Live! paradigm.  Granted, that was after spending only a few hours with the demo.  It wouldn't let me save a setup configuration so I got frustrated and gave up.

I'm still running Sonar 5 PE and it's great but there are some plugs that won't operate in another host (eg V-Vocal). So I fire that up to do vocal pitch correction or other post-production.

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY


Subject:
RE: Mobius & Live...why
From:
George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com>
Date:
Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
To:
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com		 

Jeff,

Thanks for the observations on Sonar. What I meant about already having a couple of DAWs is that I'm trying to decide if I should shell out $$ for the full version of Live (i.e. purchase yet another DAW), or if the LE version would be suitable (it's $200 less) for use as a looping host, and I would continue to use Sonar/Protools for traditional audio production.

I'm just trying not to buy more software than I actually need.  :) 

BTW, I got Mobius working really well last night using Live as the host and a Pok for a controller. It had been a long rough weekend of hardware/software troubleshooting that culminated in a disk reformat and reinstall of XP. Finally I was in looping heaven! 

Next steps...re-investigate Bidule now that I have a computer and audio interface that are working properly. And get MIDI in and out of the GR-20 so I can (hopefully) re-map the controller pedal of the GR-20 to Mobius' volume/feedback. 

-George


--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:


> From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
> Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why
> To: "sfmissionman@yahoo.com" <sfmissionman@yahoo.com>, "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:47 AM

> > I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't
  
> think I need

> > another DAW.
  
> 
> I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a
> particularly good host
> for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn
> 5).




From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 21:52:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735F63BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 375 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:52:41 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.9 X-EN-IMPSID: AMsf1a0050BkWne0000000 Message-ID: <48BF0722.20908@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:52:34 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <9B81A582-3767-4A80-AB49-2D050726F4AC@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <9B81A582-3767-4A80-AB49-2D050726F4AC@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 207.255.191.111 X-EN-OrigHost: 207-255-191-111-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:52:41 +0000 (UTC) reducing your carbon footprint can be done easily by being poor. Like me, I don't have a dryer, I can't afford hot water, I don't have air conditioning and I drive a ten year old car. Yes, I take cold showers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 21:56:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1E83BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:56:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c90e0f$df0d2a10$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Importance: Normal X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <4NuCx.A.uyF.LgwvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes, patch mode allows you to use any midi channel per CTL or EXP pedal (incl. the external ones). With the EXP pedals you can send up to 6 control messages on different midi channels, for example a volume cross-fade with 2 different devices. The standard and control modes uses the global midi channel and both the CTL and EXP pedals can only send 1 CC message. I have been experimenting with all modes the last couple of months to minimize the "tap dancing". Tip: keep in mind you can control multiple devices on the same midi channel, but you have to be sure you use different control change messages for each device. That's how I use my FC-300 now, because this allows you to use the CC mode and you then have 10 CTL pedals per setup in stead of 2 in patch mode :) So at the moment I use a combination of Control mode and Standard mode and I switch from STD to CC mode with a additional Boss footswitch. Standard mode * Pedal 1-8 selects the corresponding LP1 track * CTL1=midi sync/overdub * CTL2=erase track => my emergency button :) Control mode * 1-10: midi sync/overdub, stop, play, fade, swell, reverse, half speed, low scramble, mid scramble, high scramble * CTL1:previous track * CTL2: next track All modes: * Expression pedal 1: Volume * Expression pedal 2: Feedback * 1 FS-6 footswitch connect to switch modes (CC-STD) PS I just uploaded my LP1 and FC-300 setup, see http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/lp1.htm --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 21:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D69B3BE86; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: AMxm1a0020ASqTN0000000 Message-ID: <48BF0855.4040800@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:57:41 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <006301c90dd0$5210c840$8c01a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <006301c90dd0$5210c840$8c01a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 207.255.191.111 X-EN-OrigHost: 207-255-191-111-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: <7ezibB.A.94F.bhwvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt wrote: > Technically, you are supposed to pay sales tax to your state when you > buy something online. The responsibility is on the individual in this > case instead of the store. Of course, when there is no auditing, > people will chose to simply not pay the tax. > Of course, The tax system is insane. How many times are taxes built into the price of goods? Why should I pay tax for a product taxed on in the manufacturing process, then taxed to the wholesaler and then taxed to the retail buyer. THEN taxed to the used retail buyer. Thats insane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 22:00:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C037F3BE88; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3788 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:00:14 UTC Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:50:48 -0400 From: Scott Duncan Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint In-reply-to: <9ab0c76f0809031210m7791adf4j1265788d10b79b02@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9088C715-0709-4FAD-B343-85A3A91C00F5@webworkz.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--497803920 References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0809031210m7791adf4j1265788d10b79b02@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:00:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--497803920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Mark, Most E-friendly researchers that I've heard and read (how to reduce carbon footprint) agree with RP Collier's email suggestion to first off stop or greatly reduce the consumption of beef (your own and your families' ). This weighs greatly in the big picture. (Disclaimer -- I'm neither scientist nor expert of course). In a large chain of consequences, over & over ( a loop , eh?) it REALLY WOULD help slow up the massive deforestation taking place worldwide; more CO2 breathing trees could be spared. But it has to be in some serious numbers of people / populations. The trick, as you've asked, is in illustrating this effectively to interested parties, and detailing how such small, easily accomplished steps & goals DO matter on a personal level. I haven't stopped eating cows, but I have cut down by more than 60%. I live with a 30 year veggie. too. That sure helps me. An exponentially growing population makes the issue more difficult, and maybe putting the brakes on THAT growth is perhaps the bigger first step in conserving & saving our planet. No great ideas as to how, other than allowing women to freely access birth control and have final say in their own families' size. Doesn't exactly mesh well with rampant capitalist consumerism. Or whatever label.... I was lucky enough to videotape Jane Goodall when she spoke in Asheville 4 years ago, and she pointed out that incrementally, through individuals changing, each person CAN make a difference. She still had hope .... ( & so do I somehow...). Peace -- green & musical, Scott D/ WNC On Sep 3, 2008, at 3:10 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Interesting thread for me today actually. Maybe you clever people > can help? > Tomorrow I have a brainstorming meeting with my script writer, > designer and a customer. He is from Telenor, the biggest phone > company here in Norway. They also own the Pakistan and Ethiopian > mobile networks, as well as some others. > I have to come up with (as creative director and main film > director) a "concept" for a program (that is online - multi media - > interactive - film - animation whatever.. program) that will help > educate the employees of Telenor on what they can do both in and > out of the workplace to reduce their footprints. > My company specifically specialize in interactive films, but we > also dabble in games, e-learning. > > So gang.. got any ideas? So far Im looking at the REALLY OLD and > quite good EVE, that Peter Gabriel made back in the 80's, that was > a landscape that deteriorated as the program, games, interactive > puzzles and music went on. > > So far we think we have an interface idea, the earth, something > like google earth, but with cutaways and atmospheres, that not only > deteriorate if you make the wrong choces in the program, but lets > you view scenarios. This idea has been trashed by me, on the > grounds that Doom and Gloom messages are not only ignored, but have > the opposite effect, that people focus on the fact that you cant do > anything!!! so Why bother??? > > Take for example the Gore film, obviously a genius work, rightly > shown in all schools here. But of course 2 or 3 minor errors are > discovered and a whole industry of websites and debunking programs > pop up, overshadowing the obvious. > > You guys are (and gals Zoe) are the most switched on, creative and > informed bunch I know, so... help me help this multinational > dinosaur do something!!! > > Looking forward to crazy left fiels ideas... > > Mark --Apple-Mail-1--497803920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Mark,

Most E-friendly researchers that I've = heard=A0and read=A0(how to reduce carbon footprint)=A0agree with = RP Collier's email suggestion to first off stop or greatly reduce = the=A0consumption of beef (your own and your families' ). This weighs = greatly in the big picture.=A0(Disclaimer -- I'm neither scientist nor = expert of course).

In= a large chain of consequences, over & over ( a loop , eh?) = it=A0REALLY WOULD help slow up the massive deforestation taking place = worldwide; more CO2 breathing trees could be spared.=A0 But it has to be = in some serious numbers of people / populations.

The trick, as you've asked, = is in illustrating this effectively=A0to interested parties, and = detailing how such small, easily accomplished steps & goals DO = matter on a personal level.=A0

I haven't stopped eating = cows, but I have cut down by more than 60%. I live with a 30 year = veggie. too. That sure helps me.

An exponentially growing = population makes the issue more difficult, and maybe putting the brakes = on THAT growth is perhaps the bigger first step in conserving & = saving our planet. No great ideas as to how, other than allowing women = to freely access birth control and have final say in their own families' = size. Doesn't exactly mesh well with rampant capitalist consumerism. Or = whatever label....

I was lucky enough to = videotape Jane Goodall when she spoke in Asheville 4 years ago, and she = pointed out that incrementally,=A0through individuals changing, each = person CAN make a difference.=A0=A0

She still had hope .... ( = & so do I somehow...).=A0

Peace --=A0 green & = musical,

Scott = D/ WNC


On Sep 3, = 2008, at 3:10 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Interesting thread for me today actually. Maybe you clever = people can help?
Tomorrow I have a brainstorming meeting with my = script writer, designer and a customer. He is from Telenor, the biggest = phone company here in Norway. They also own the Pakistan and Ethiopian = mobile networks, as well as some others.
I have to come up with (as = creative director and main film director) a "concept" for a program = (that is online - multi media - interactive - film - animation = whatever.. program) that will help educate the employees of Telenor on = what they can do both in and out of the workplace to reduce their = footprints.
My company specifically specialize in interactive films, = but we also dabble in games, e-learning.

So gang.. got any ideas? = So far Im looking at the REALLY OLD and quite good EVE, that Peter = Gabriel made back in the 80's, that was a landscape that deteriorated as = the program, games, interactive puzzles and music went on.

So = far we think we have an interface idea, the earth, something like google = earth, but with cutaways and atmospheres, that not only deteriorate if = you make the wrong choces in the program, but lets you view scenarios. = This idea has been trashed by me, on the grounds that Doom and Gloom = messages are not only ignored, but have the opposite effect, that people = focus on the fact that you cant do anything!!! so Why bother???
=
Take for example the Gore film, obviously a genius work, rightly = shown in all schools here. But of course 2 or 3 minor errors are = discovered and a whole industry of websites and debunking programs pop = up, overshadowing the obvious.

You guys are (and gals Zoe) are = the most switched on, creative and informed bunch I know, so... help me = help this multinational dinosaur do something!!!

Looking forward = to crazy left fiels = ideas...

Mark

= --Apple-Mail-1--497803920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 22:15:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442D13BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=l6ZZf5ev9JJMNZ6YlK5HuLJcz+U84gUO3ktHHonC9+0=; b=nxdxKmO12+W0TaadQIbrDaYzrhh3Xw4KAuqx8ZF+nmebumDJgkq1GuDIeezIcoKHne 0s8eBcIlSSha3P5kl1NSn2XK6VGT0rJZPzEJAEdkWvWBRRrq6kCCKOwHUV4t4Vov0goZ ViBswYglgi2gbWxXqnzjQ1t4U00W1I+e5jEW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hjj+CSMLpRQH+EPQLqPenxLrrbyuAgykOGaNenoTTryUcXeInxkA9N5+dS8WSmbKUD rUdQL7JvSPnKpBSsTbxyjd8tCLbeGnAAw4yUnYyQMlRjubyX/Hl9KBuaVM5Unt7kiu6q EmMlZuirjQM++WPGDR2qlDVJWu6EmQfK3OsdA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC66E4@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <295352.43674.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8F9A76C1@barq.sailpoint.com> <9F3FB09F-73DE-4201-AB28-A5CDD8F75B45@gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC66E4@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:15:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <6MNquB.A.MuG.DywvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:15:31 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:04 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >> -- a resistance or refusal to adapt and adjust to the >> changing conditions and needs of the evolving planetary situation. >> (Hence archaic brutal traditions like genital mutilation, whaling >> etc...) > > I love how we can make a connection between some average > Joe-Fox-News-Watcher-Baptist in rural Ohio and genital mutilation. Well, don't forget those darn rural Ohio whalers. :-) The liberal blogoshpere does not seem as toxic to me, they mostly seem to respond to the constant right wing manipulations of nationalism, patriotism and the demonization of liberals that has gone on for more than thirty years now. Bill O'Reilly seems more toxic than Michael Moore but I have only seen snippets of them on tv. I have never seen a Michael Moore movie. I prefer Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn to the corporate media display personalities. Sure, the extreme Left can be insufferable bullies, thuggish and coercive. But I think a large part of the Right is those with an Authoritarian mindset as well as a tendency to think in binary Good vs. Evil terms. A particularly toxic brew when it comes to solving problems and getting along with people. I think the Reagan/Conservative revolution has brought America to failure. It does not make sense to put all your cash into military budgets and allow the infrastructure (including education!) to crumble. I don't think fair and balanced means that Creationism should get equal time with Evolution. It means there is something very wrong and it has been going on quite a while. I found this wistfully interesting: http://www.counterpunch.org/miglio08222008.html In any case, the vehement efforts to debunk climate change are a distraction and miss the point which is that human impact is excessive and unsustainable. I personally think the healthy carrying capacity of the planet is about 3 billion people and we are way beyond that. Some think the capacity is one billion. But this is not the forum to hash such things out and these are just my impressions and non-expert opinions. Jeff, you seem to have a good attitude and a healthy skepticism. But if you think of yourself as in the middle and viewing all sides equally, then I would suggest you might consider that the middle has actually been pulled to the Right for decades. And of course, at the end of the day there is no left/right red/blue whatever, it is just us monkeys and the ecology that birthed us. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 22:17:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3781C3BE84; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.9 X-EN-IMPSID: AMmR1a00B0BkWne0000000 Message-ID: <48BF05AB.7080307@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:46:19 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint References: <430136.97499.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <430136.97499.qm@web39203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 207.255.191.111 X-EN-OrigHost: 207-255-191-111-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:17:57 +0000 (UTC) People think fox news is biased..They ought to listen to Limbaugh. I think he is way way way more influential From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 22:32:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7895F3BE84; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PHUN4wYw8o/L3SduqTHk2apCeisXmuardHsQsQm0uu5Nh5pkH6rn9Y7WlrlaoKQaXEr+h6PPFbp5cZtvu5kIXu8sS5i7x9Svg8+m8SC614yb4YWXaVv4wZYA5ILnu2m6Skdw+H3shPTTwAqz8GkKa5O3nEPVTTENNMaw2VMOa5M=; X-YMail-OSG: jQJSjvgVM1kvKKLhPlXTI0MdrwNKVA8Ed8MpzUIIbUCFzi391oFkD.ep_RN_q71SHuy_oJQ70_8oA_o.eiUqZGhakW1Lan2iG.ErUbUxemSSzmHD6GxTELyuqNrDQXlreWwMbzH3BLA1ElEcychAYVLS X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48BF05AB.7080307@aromabar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1707339015-1220481160=:83681" Message-ID: <971171.83681.qm@web39205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1707339015-1220481160=:83681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii less influence than you think....like Howard stern.... BS on both sides of the fence....they need to put up the Disclaimer "For entertainment purposes only" although the closer to my grave i move I'm becoming less "tolerant" of BS in ether camp --- On Wed, 9/3/08, blixton wrote: From: blixton Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:46 PM People think fox news is biased..They ought to listen to Limbaugh. I think he is way way way more influential --0-1707339015-1220481160=:83681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 


less influence than you think....like Howard stern.... 
BS on both sides of the fence....they need to put up the Disclaimer
"For entertainment purposes only" although the closer to my grave i move
I'm becoming less "tolerant" of BS
in ether camp


--- On Wed, 9/3/08, blixton <blixton@aromabar.com> wrote:
From: blixton <blixton@aromabar.com>
Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:46 PM

People think fox news is biased..They ought to listen to Limbaugh. I 
think he is way way way more influential

--0-1707339015-1220481160=:83681-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 22:35:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D49B3BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a401c90e15$672a0940$8c01a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <006301c90dd0$5210c840$8c01a8c0@bobdell> <48BF0855.4040800@aromabar.com> Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:35:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <_nd61D.A.JsH.KFxvIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:35:54 +0000 (UTC) > How many times are taxes built into the price of goods? Actually, retailers and manufacturers don't pay sales taxes on the goods that they purchase for resale. I don't pay sales tax for components that go into the LP1. I also don't collect taxes from retailers that purchase an LP1 for resale. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 3 23:15:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D3E3BE85; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: APFW1a0080ASqTN0000000 Message-ID: <48BF1A8B.8090305@aromabar.com> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:15:23 -0400 From: blixton User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <006301c90dd0$5210c840$8c01a8c0@bobdell> <48BF0855.4040800@aromabar.com> <01a401c90e15$672a0940$8c01a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <01a401c90e15$672a0940$8c01a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: 8fa5b2a164f06463fef95856b46475b8:b28e276ab15476efec7f989e64d1d602 X-EN-AuthUser: blixton Sender: blixton X-EN-OrigIP: 207.255.191.111 X-EN-OrigHost: 207-255-191-111-dhcp.gsv.md.atlanticbb.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:15:31 +0000 (UTC) I stand corrected, doh. Bob Amstadt wrote: >> How many times are taxes built into the price of goods? > > Actually, retailers and manufacturers don't pay sales taxes on the > goods that they purchase for resale. I don't pay sales tax for > components that go into the LP1. I also don't collect taxes from > retailers that purchase an LP1 for resale. > > Bob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 01:22:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4933BE81; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=u7Oa+dxyp/KxNSO85k/fnfLzM8wYMPojTNslLUnIsBQ=; b=AAdp8V4iEnS/RgXCpSONEfEyiRT4D3NOc9vOCEZz7hPi8IRG2m0vTu4QEkjBrKFjjl 4qistD/uiiJy0aVle5wx3YZ27l2FJhZEtQCy7xbs/4XhLwRQDoqV/Iv2rZuLykSt5rwt zblfZiD68udIGDL/3bYu6sCgNVQgPjE25ihYo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CTumVH21JpV5lhCFs33yVn2mMwBvs9qIsdURWu1xq2QCPIs0qhcWqXsNAUxinPfyjq kfkJr2wG/xawLRC4vRpdPD404shgt18gNNhKAusBv76jS+IuHr7TcoXjMRIRGQzJHZs8 G7ve+I2g8sgqAQkwfmj2zdldzTkuRhVmPgP0A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <48BF0722.20908@aromabar.com> References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <9B81A582-3767-4A80-AB49-2D050726F4AC@zoekeating.com> <48BF0722.20908@aromabar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:22:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:22:57 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2008, at 2:52 PM, blixton wrote: > Yes, I take cold showers. There was a nice piece on NPR about solar hot water heaters for poor neighborhoods in Egypt a while ago: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89956754 << Fathy, who taught himself English and put himself through school, has one of Solar Cities' heaters on the roof of his four-story home. A bright blue barrel filled with cold water is connected to solar panels made from recycled garbage bags, framed in aluminum and covered with glass. The aluminum frame is attached to a Styrofoam block by an array of recycled plastic and copper tubes. >> An option at least. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 04:53:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F13E3BE88; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----_SmarterMail_NextPart_4882718381358322 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:53:51 -0500 Subject: re: Jeff's scratching - a pseudo VHDL code From: "aaronleese@flyloops.com" Reply-To: aaronleese@flyloops.com To: CC: Message-ID: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:53:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4882718381358322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A=0D=0Aplease restate your response in the form of a question .......= =0D=0A=0D=0Ayes ...... drop ten 5 - ditto hp ....... reunion tour cancelled= on account of food poisoning .... stop ....... gem lexington overnight ...= .. stop ......... will call when paris is taken .... stop=0D=0A=0D=0Aor did= I miss something ?=0D=0A=0D=0AActually ..... thats pretty similar to the a= lgorythm we were talking about .... which is implemented by flyloops ..... = and could be reworked to do the same (loop scratching) in Mobius it sounds = like. You seem to have forgotten that when released .... you dont want to = return immediately to normal playback speed though, you need to ramp up.=0D= =0A =0D=0Athat is all, ciao=0D=0A=0D=0AI havent actually been reading this = thread until this last post though ...... so lemme know if there was an act= ual question somewhere .... hooahh ... tonight we will shave the mountain!= =0D=0A=0D=0A----------------------------------------=0D=0AFrom: "Rainer The= lonius Balthasar Straschill" =0D=0ASent: Sunday, August 31,= 2008 11:30 AM=0D=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D=0ASubject: J= eff's scratching - a pseudo VHDL code =0D=0A=0D=0AAs an extension to my las= t message, here is some pseudo VHDL code (that's=0D=0Abecause I'm not at al= l familiar what scripting language can do right now -=0D=0Awhat's the statu= s of the documentation?) to describe what I think needs to=0D=0Abe done:=0D= =0A=0D=0A-- I won't deal with variable declaration here=0D=0A-- things we g= et externally: "controller", which is an integer describing=0D=0Athe finger= position, "finger", a boolean stating whether the finger is on=0D=0A-- the= controller or not, finally "clk", a clock for the process. There's a=0D=0A= constant "clk_delta", which is the clock half-period in ms.=0D=0A-- =0D=0A= =0D=0Aprocess scratching is=0D=0Abegin=0D=0A wait until finger'event and fi= nger -- wait until you put a=0D=0Afinger on the controller=0D=0A pause = -- pauses playback=0D=0A direction_s <=3D direction -- used to store pla= yback=0D=0Adirection (Forward or Backward)=0D=0A rate_s <=3D rate -- an= d rate=0D=0A ctrl_last <=3D controller -- store current finger=0D=0Aposit= ion=0D=0A ctrl_last2 <=3D controller=0D=0A loop: scratching -- inner loo= p;=0D=0Aactive while finger is on the controller=0D=0A wait until clock'ev= ent=0D=0A if controller =3D ctrl_last AND controller =3D ctrl_last2 then= =0D=0A pause -- pause playback if=0D=0Afinger hasn't moved for last tw= o clocks=0D=0A elsif controller !=3D ctrl_last then=0D=0A play=0D=0A c= trl_delta =3D controller - ctrl_last=0D=0A if ctrl_delta > 0 then -- chec= k for playing=0D=0Adirection=0D=0A if direction_s =3D forward then=0D=0A= forward=0D=0A else=0D=0A backward=0D=0A end if=0D=0A elsif= =0D=0A if direction_s =3D forward then=0D=0A backward=0D=0A else= =0D=0A forward=0D=0A end if=0D=0A end if=0D=0A pbspeed =3D ctrl_= delta/clk_delta -- playback speed=0D=0Ascale factor is the controller delta= since last clk'event divided by=0D=0Aclk_delta=0D=0A rate =3D ln(pbspeed= )*17,3123404906676 -- ugly scale=0D=0Afactor to convert from pbspeed to rat= e=0D=0A end if=0D=0A if not finger then=0D=0A exit scratching -- exi= t from=0D=0Aloop=0D=0A end if=0D=0A end scratching loop=0D=0A -- if in the= loop the finger is lifted, we resume here=0D=0A direction <=3D direction_s= =0D=0A rate <=3D rate_s=0D=0A play=0D=0Aend process scratching=0D=0A=0D=0AH= ope that helps to explain what I'm after. Aaron, I'd also like to hear your= =0D=0Acomments if you'd like.=0D=0A=0D=0A ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4882718381358322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

please restate your response in the form of a question .......
<= br>yes ...... drop ten 5 - ditto hp ....... reunion tour cancelled on accou= nt of food poisoning .... stop ....... gem lexington overnight ..... stop .= ........ will call when paris is taken .... stop

or did I miss somet= hing ?

Actually ..... thats pretty similar to the algorythm we were = talking about .... which is implemented by flyloops ..... and could be rewo= rked to do the same (loop scratching) in Mobius it sounds like.  You s= eem to have forgotten that when released .... you dont want to return immed= iately to normal playback speed though, you need to ramp up.
 
t= hat is all, ciao

I havent actually been reading this thread until th= is last post though ...... so lemme know if there was an actual question so= mewhere .... hooahh ... tonight we will shave the mountain!

From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschi= ll" <rs@moinlabs.de>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 200= 8 11:30 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
<= strong>Subject: Jeff's scratching - a pseudo VHDL code
<= br>As an extension to my last message, here is some pseudo VHDL code (that'= s
because I'm not at all familiar what scripting language can do right n= ow -
what's the status of the documentation?) to describe what I think n= eeds to
be done:

-- I won't deal with variable declaration here-- things we get externally: "controller", which is an integer describing=
the finger position, "finger", a boolean stating whether the finger is = on
-- the controller or not, finally "clk", a clock for the process. The= re's a
constant "clk_delta", which is the clock half-period in ms.
--=

process scratching is
begin
wait until finger'event and fin= ger -- wait until you put a
finger on the controller
pause -- p= auses playback
direction_s <=3D direction -- used to store playbac= k
direction (Forward or Backward)
rate_s <=3D rate -- and rat= e
ctrl_last <=3D controller -- store current finger
position ctrl_last2 <=3D controller
loop: scratching -- inner loop;
a= ctive while finger is on the controller
wait until clock'event
if= controller =3D ctrl_last AND controller =3D ctrl_last2 then
pause = -- pause playback if
finger hasn't moved for last two clocks
elsif= controller !=3D ctrl_last then
play
ctrl_delta =3D controller = - ctrl_last
if ctrl_delta > 0 then -- check for playing
directi= on
if direction_s =3D forward then
forward
else
= backward
end if
elsif
if direction_s =3D forward the= n
backward
else
forward
end if
end if pbspeed =3D ctrl_delta/clk_delta -- playback speed
scale factor is = the controller delta since last clk'event divided by
clk_delta
rat= e =3D ln(pbspeed)*17,3123404906676 -- ugly scale
factor to convert from = pbspeed to rate
end if
if not finger then
exit scratching = -- exit from
loop
end if
end scratching loop
-- if in the= loop the finger is lifted, we resume here
direction <=3D direction_= s
rate <=3D rate_s
play
end process scratching

Hope th= at helps to explain what I'm after. Aaron, I'd also like to hear your
co= mments if you'd like.


------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4882718381358322-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 05:55:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F34E23BE85; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XUoE0zpogyYA:10 a=u9-x5Q-vz9IA:10 a=geqqYPjKkDGWEMZ31d0A:9 a=qik7DKdyKuJBzhFyCPhD7W78UpYA:4 a=I2EqgwFF2xUA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <6D37C60E80E447A2958DD902555439CD@williamsteed> <9B81A582-3767-4A80-AB49-2D050726F4AC@zoekeating.com> <48BF0722.20908@aromabar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:55:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:55:06 +0000 (UTC) I buy smaller shoes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 06:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224A03BE85; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:31:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C90E2E.06C63FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckOFQsY8GRdnrjLQ8i8ZWmwzTHxMQAOYWlA In-Reply-To: <971171.83681.qm@web39205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20080904063204.957843BE7B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:32:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C90E2E.06C63FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If one is watching ANY single 'news' source regularly, one is no longer certain of recognizing spin. Respectful suggestion: try giving up the news for six months. You'll still get the latest happenings from friends and acquaintances through conversations and email, but you'll get less spin. When you encounter an item that suggests you would profit by investigating it, then follow up via papers, internet or television for that one item, and try to find more than one source, including foreign media. Four things you will discover: 1. The news is damned hard to avoid these days. It has become so pervasive in the US that escaping it--the paper pinned to the wall over the urinal, the TV in every airport/restaurant/bar/mall/hotel/waiting room/childcare center, the endless spin-radio broadcasts, headlines that run under entertainment and sports programs--is quite an accomplishment. 2. You will still be informed. You may not be the first to know all current events, but neither will you be the first to be spun into a position desired by a partisan publisher, or misled by the inaccurate and/or partially-informed reporting that is so frequent these days, due to the pressure to be-first-with-anything to feed the 24-hour catalog that poses as information. 3. You will not automatically be offended by other persons' viewpoints that differ with yours. Partisanship will actually become less of a factor in your judgment of others. 4. You will actually be a happier person yourself, in most cases. Perhaps a true news junkie in writhing withdrawals would be an exception. If you ever return to regular watching, you will be flabbergasted at the audacity of corporate reportage, and by the disdain and lack of respect it holds for its consumers-at first. Then you will subjugate yourself right back in. Nationalism (and its sub-vortex, extreme partisanship) is a lens that filters all information. This was covered well in the following quote: "Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them. There is almost no kind of outrage-torture, the use of hostages, forced labor, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians-that does not change its moral color when it is committed by 'our' side. The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." --George Orwell, Notes on Nationalism, 1945 While our 'carbon footprints' may require long-range retooling of our commercial lives, our 'community footprints' are accessible and adjustable on a daily basis. dave less influence than you think....like Howard stern.... BS on both sides of the fence....they need to put up the Disclaimer "For entertainment purposes only" although the closer to my grave i move I'm becoming less "tolerant" of BS in ether camp --- On Wed, 9/3/08, blixton wrote: From: blixton Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:46 PM People think fox news is biased..They ought to listen to Limbaugh. I think he is way way way more influential ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C90E2E.06C63FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If one is watching ANY single = ‘news’ source regularly, one is no longer certain of recognizing spin.  =

 

Respectful suggestion:  try = giving up the news for six months.  You’ll still get the latest = happenings from friends and acquaintances through conversations and email, but = you’ll get less spin.  When you encounter an item that suggests you would = profit by investigating it, then follow up via papers, internet or television = for that one item, and try to find more than one source, including foreign = media.

 

Four things you will = discover:

 

  1. The news is damned hard to avoid these days.  It has become so = pervasive in the US that escaping it--the paper pinned to the wall over the urinal, the = TV in every airport/restaurant/bar/mall/hotel/waiting room/childcare = center, the endless spin-radio broadcasts, headlines that run under = entertainment and sports programs--is quite an = accomplishment.

 

  1. You will still be informed.  You may not be the first to know all = current events, but neither will you be the first to be spun into a = position desired by a partisan publisher, or misled by the inaccurate and/or partially-informed reporting that is so frequent these days, due to = the pressure to be-first-with-anything to feed the 24-hour catalog that = poses as information.

 

  1. You will not automatically be offended by other persons’ viewpoints = that differ with yours.  Partisanship will actually become less of = a factor in your judgment of others.

 

  1. You will actually be a happier person yourself, in most cases.  Perhaps = a true news junkie in writhing withdrawals would be an = exception.

 

If you ever return to regular = watching, you will be flabbergasted at the audacity of corporate reportage, and by = the disdain and lack of respect it holds for its consumers—at first.  = Then you will subjugate yourself right back in.

 

Nationalism (and its sub-vortex, = extreme partisanship) is a lens that filters all information.  This was = covered well in the following quote: 

 

“Actions are held to be = good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them.  There is = almost no kind of outrage—torture, the use of hostages, forced labor, = mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the = bombing of civilians—that does not change its moral color when it is = committed by ‘our’ side.  The nationalist not only does not = disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for = not even hearing about them.”

 

--George Orwell, Notes on = Nationalism, 1945

 

While our ‘carbon = footprints’ may require long-range retooling of our commercial lives, our = ‘community footprints’ are accessible and adjustable on a daily = basis.

 

 

dave

 

 

 

less influence than you think....like Howard =
stern.... 

BS on both sides of the fence....they need to put up the Disclaimer

"For entertainment purposes only" although the closer to my =
grave i move

I'm becoming less "tolerant" of BS

in ether camp



--- On Wed, 9/3/08, blixton = <blixton@aromabar.com> wrote:

From: = blixton <blixton@aromabar.com>
Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:46 = PM

People think fox news is biased..They ought =
to listen to Limbaugh. I 

think he is way way way more =
influential

 

------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C90E2E.06C63FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 06:52:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14003BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckODJPeDp2BssA3R92o+6XOqVjK7QATdp6Q In-Reply-To: <48BEFEC0.7080205@wi.rr.com> Message-Id: <20080904065224.505843BE7C@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, Joe, My Boss experience is with RC 20s, not 50s. Did you guys get all the Harleys back out of town? dave Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought Hello to all! I am a longtime songwriter musician and neophyte looper. I just ordered a Boss RC-50. Dave, Thanks for the two tips below. Do you have any other tips or links for using the RC-50? Thanks in advance, Joe C in Milwaukee Dave Gallaher wrote: > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has the > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of your loop error > potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence. Select > Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not an > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop. Then all you have > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following several > measures of playing than it is to start dead on. > > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down as > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop. If you have any > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two. Using > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest while > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'. > > I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so > this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode. > > dave > > > > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. > > I had it down to the following three -- > > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way I > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) > > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) > > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of > complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some > people regarding a playback gap. > > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links > provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've spent > messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a > looping station, that is). > > Now to practice! > > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting that > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) > > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies -- > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie > stuff). > > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 07:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AA573BE88; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 68133382/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.25 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.25 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0BAPcwv0hPTooZ/2dsb2JhbAAIt06BZ4M+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="68133382" Message-ID: <48BF9412.7090900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:53:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop References: <20080903202316.6B7673BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080903202316.6B7673BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Or alternatively:- The most accurate and reliable method to create that first loop is to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the end. By using the same method to start the loop as to end it, there's a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing discrepancies between the tapping and the playing will cancel out. (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an accurate loop length). Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end the loop is likely to mess with accurate timing. While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part through a couple of times before recording it this does not give any advantage, you still have to learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of the looping skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it doesn't sound/look as cool. The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but it's actually not at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get it" in about 5 mins of trying. (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works). Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other techniques. I'd also say that it's better to turn off the pre-set tempo on the looper, and just tap in the loop. (unless you need to sync up for some reason} andy butler Dave Gallaher wrote: > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has the > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of your loop error > potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence. Select > Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not an > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop. Then all you have > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following several > measures of playing than it is to start dead on. > > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down as > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop. If you have any > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two. Using > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest while > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'. > > I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so > this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode. > > dave > > > > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. > > I had it down to the following three -- > > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way I > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) > > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) > > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of > complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some > people regarding a playback gap. > > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links > provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've spent > messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a > looping station, that is). > > Now to practice! > > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting that > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) > > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies -- > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie > stuff). > > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:16:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31E273BE87; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NjaUo9++t7nvQArI4IvbhvrfTNX1dX1YkVtSrqN4jrVxfvz/Ch0PYrJLfAVIAInQ6mHmkI/7n9g9ZPK7fEHJT+aflmV7nmUQdxNWWs9lyaOlbgap8O6zaLg3wm7cPfPIYKkHbyvaJ5Okpvz7EWfq5kI/UduHrCYPochzfOVR4mc=; X-YMail-OSG: L14WVpkVM1kL6Mz.LqFa7wPyJihH9TQksQHakuLvAJ2DZDbnmfJRwGbOT51B9v83Dw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re:( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48BF9412.7090900@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:16:01 +0000 (UTC) Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius out if the way i am having a similar problem; with the MME drivers mobius had latency when i triggered it with the fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the way it was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME fireface)it responds nice and fast but when i record a loop and end it,playback starts faster or ahead of time which can throw me off,same when i do overdubing! anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is there an difference in accuracy response? would i just have to adapt to this and live with it,or is it a setup problem? Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler wrote: > From: andy butler > Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM > Or alternatively:- > > The most accurate and reliable method to create that first > loop is > to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the > end. > By using the same method to start the loop as to end it, > there's > a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing > discrepancies > between the tapping and the playing will cancel out. > (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an > accurate loop length). > Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end > the loop is likely > to mess with accurate timing. > > While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part > through a couple of times > before recording it this does not give any advantage, you > still have to > learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of > the looping > skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it > doesn't > sound/look as cool. > > The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but > it's actually not > at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get > it" in about 5 mins of trying. > (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works). > > Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other > techniques. > > I'd also say that it's better to turn off the > pre-set tempo on the looper, > and just tap in the loop. > (unless you need to sync up for some reason} > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Gallaher wrote: > > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, > and therefore has the > > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of > your loop error > > potential right off the bat if you are starting from > silence. Select > > Autostart; set the level to the point where a > well-played note (but not an > > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the > loop. Then all you have > > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit > the '1' following several > > measures of playing than it is to start dead on. > > > > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm > guitar pattern down as > > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the > loop. If you have any > > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point > and the end of the > > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round > or two. Using > > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a > four beat rest while > > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on > '1'. > > > > I have no experience recording with included clicks > and drum rhythms, so > > this advice may be useless to you if this is your > mode. > > > > dave > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions > Sought > > > > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated > it. > > > > I had it down to the following three -- > > > > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as > the footprint and > > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need > it to do in the way I > > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) > > > > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically > when live could only > > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to > stop and save) > > > > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a > large number of > > complaints registered online, and even a known > "glitch" that bothers some > > people regarding a playback gap. > > > > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due > mostly to the links > > provided by members here, and their comments. In the > scant hour I've spent > > messing with it, I've already been able to do two > tunes that I couldn't do > > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by > yourself -- without a > > looping station, that is). > > > > Now to practice! > > > > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats > nicely, in a timely > > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to > figure out that the > > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My > brain keeps insisting that > > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) > > > > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on > "looping for newbies -- > > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 > minutes!" then feel > > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the > list with my newbie > > stuff). > > > > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:31:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2F63BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bTvOMR2902Aj4D/jZv+/RRc05JX7Kp/Vdpi0Bmglq5KIPcDPVcCSuHymnlUYJeWRT0/l6ZXxYFKAnVKPm6OdOlUqTYqs6XxIqfTS6yy9xKvWBJ86V/XQXqskaAv20R5/TijeH/m5XV6c+3IzOlVXBZHFEEuJKEHl5JqDSmLTR/c=; X-YMail-OSG: rC8KPbIVM1mtT6RkGxiFdLclwMzwtw7rQ6g6reK1pTDXjmVJEmg3vOI9GXIng7ew7A-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48BF0722.20908@aromabar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <675978.74929.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-QdOFC.A.KcE.cz5vIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:31:24 +0000 (UTC) wow man here in germany cold showers in the winter could be a bit shocky ;-)it occurs to me that this summer i havent used my shower for almost a month because i go swiming in a natural reserve lake 5 minutes away with the bike from my house every day,i am telling you my skin feels way better since not using soap! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 9/3/08, blixton wrote: > From: blixton > Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint, helping the state you live in > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 2:52 PM > reducing your carbon footprint can be done easily by being > poor. Like > me, I don't have a dryer, I can't afford hot water, > I don't have air > conditioning and I drive a ten year old car. Yes, I take > cold showers. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:31:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230C33BE95; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckOY1eKTmFclNqiSKOI+6IkRUoucwAAghvw In-Reply-To: <48BF9412.7090900@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: <20080904083129.B546A3BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Andy, Good points, and this is actually what I do with the EDP. Though it is set to Autostart, I tap at beginning and end usually, occasionally starting from silence with just the Autostart. It's much easier with the EDP than it was with the RC 20, which has more of a plunger-type pedal and had to be hit firmly. Sometimes it's fun to do a quick-as-possible double tap on the EDP and get a very short, buzzy loop. However, I disagree about the pre-playing of rhythms as being always uncool. I'm not a big fan of playing those patterns exactly the same each time, so every go-round can have new inflections and syncopations before finally catching one particular permutation of it. I guess I see it more as an introduction than a pattern setup. Another thing I enjoy doing is playing unaccompanied leads in tempo before the rhythm is recorded, which also nicely sets up the entry of the to-be-looped pattern. I take it as a given that all new loopers will come to terms with any rhythmic shortcomings or tendencies as they practice, unless they are entirely ambient or random. OT, but my EDP foot controller had a mind of its own for part of the gig tonight. It's been doing better overall lately, but tonight had some interesting new temporary 'settings,' such as Undo = Reverse, then Undo = Nothing, followed by Multiply = Random Subdivision/Weird Window and best of all, Mute = Hell, No! I've got to learn how to clean those switches... dave Or alternatively:- The most accurate and reliable method to create that first loop is to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the end. By using the same method to start the loop as to end it, there's a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing discrepancies between the tapping and the playing will cancel out. (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an accurate loop length). Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end the loop is likely to mess with accurate timing. While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part through a couple of times before recording it this does not give any advantage, you still have to learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of the looping skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it doesn't sound/look as cool. The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but it's actually not at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get it" in about 5 mins of trying. (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works). Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other techniques. I'd also say that it's better to turn off the pre-set tempo on the looper, and just tap in the loop. (unless you need to sync up for some reason} andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:38:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017183BE90; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 68292742/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.25 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.25 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0BAEg7v0hPTooZ/2dsb2JhbAAIsA4IhzJhAwh7gz4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="68292742" Message-ID: <48BF9E7B.8010008@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:38:19 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop References: <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:38:00 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis, Mobius has latency compensation, so you need to set that up accurately. If you're monitoring your guitar sound through the pc, then you'll learn to compensate for the delay. In which case turning the Mobius latency compensation off if is necessary. If you're monitoring the guitar direct, then setting the Mobius latency compensation correctly will get the timing of the loops right, but loop functions will still be delayed. andy butler ps. currently, you have your own email address entered in the field on your email account, so by unless I edit the address before replying you get the reply off-list, and it won't go to LD. (well maybe that's what you wanted, in which case...apologies) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius out if the way i am having a similar problem; with the MME drivers mobius had latency when i triggered it with the fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the way it was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME fireface)it responds nice and fast but when i record a loop and end it,playback starts faster or ahead of time which can throw me off,same when i do overdubing! > anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is there an difference in accuracy response? would i just have to adapt to this and live with it,or is it a setup problem? > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:47:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8EF3BE90; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rmA/puEMed6WfrrIuOH+RmxAmx9CAeO01EJLUcW37/8=; b=qPwEIoega2UY+WDwrGH+lPj2WuGfV4HFWwRuFJLjSoXhAgFDTd2XF/jmgU8kkV7zZJ liFYG247ptffObl/4DwzHOVx3X86dvbm4nZheFhcq2ioNkffj8C4Mhh34ImbwJhxMEiR pwDJomhrQipSsQ8t8dx0C942/0Dtfey2sO1q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=h7CGMrmIlaN/l1AHuirN6U4W5rp0rOFDd2qwJ59n4YlpQpCbwJxA8eVvr6nwj/Iv8P 8JNhzK7E8s/rVPEr02tMSguHgtAacxCVtIhHUeRXfwIVNTB0LBa7uxUX8CbJRyEkQIqB QL0Qbn7JQz8dgVrCttUIHOQUmvC47ONu/ei9k= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809040147l54e8dfe0j7d41b5431af003cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:47:34 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop In-Reply-To: <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48BF9412.7090900@tiscali.co.uk> <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4YcF6.A.OFF.nC6vIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I guess there must be some part of information missing here because what you are describing is simply not possible! As I understand it you are doing three things: 1. Kick Record. 2. Play your instrument (which is now being recoded by the looper). 3. Kick Record. Now, you're saying that after this process the loop starts playing back "faster or ahead of time". But no looper in the world can read your thoughts an know in advance when you will kick Record the second time to close the loop, set the loop point and start playback of the recorded loop! ;-)) Please fill us in with the missing pieces so we can sort this out! (BTW, you still have your email client set to your own address in the "Reply to" field. This is why your list posts are sent back to you privately instead of to the list) Per On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius out if the way i am having a similar problem; with the MME drivers mobius had latency when i triggered it with the fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the way it was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME fireface)it responds nice and fast but when i record a loop and end it,playback starts faster or ahead of time which can throw me off,same when i do overdubing! > anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is there an difference in accuracy response? would i just have to adapt to this and live with it,or is it a setup problem? > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler wrote: > >> From: andy butler >> Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM >> Or alternatively:- >> >> The most accurate and reliable method to create that first >> loop is >> to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the >> end. >> By using the same method to start the loop as to end it, >> there's >> a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing >> discrepancies >> between the tapping and the playing will cancel out. >> (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an >> accurate loop length). >> Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end >> the loop is likely >> to mess with accurate timing. >> >> While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part >> through a couple of times >> before recording it this does not give any advantage, you >> still have to >> learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of >> the looping >> skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it >> doesn't >> sound/look as cool. >> >> The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but >> it's actually not >> at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get >> it" in about 5 mins of trying. >> (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works). >> >> Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other >> techniques. >> >> I'd also say that it's better to turn off the >> pre-set tempo on the looper, >> and just tap in the loop. >> (unless you need to sync up for some reason} >> >> andy butler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave Gallaher wrote: >> > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, >> and therefore has the >> > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of >> your loop error >> > potential right off the bat if you are starting from >> silence. Select >> > Autostart; set the level to the point where a >> well-played note (but not an >> > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the >> loop. Then all you have >> > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit >> the '1' following several >> > measures of playing than it is to start dead on. >> > >> > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm >> guitar pattern down as >> > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the >> loop. If you have any >> > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point >> and the end of the >> > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round >> or two. Using >> > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a >> four beat rest while >> > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on >> '1'. >> > >> > I have no experience recording with included clicks >> and drum rhythms, so >> > this advice may be useless to you if this is your >> mode. >> > >> > dave >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions >> Sought >> > >> > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated >> it. >> > >> > I had it down to the following three -- >> > >> > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as >> the footprint and >> > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need >> it to do in the way I >> > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) >> > >> > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically >> when live could only >> > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to >> stop and save) >> > >> > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a >> large number of >> > complaints registered online, and even a known >> "glitch" that bothers some >> > people regarding a playback gap. >> > >> > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due >> mostly to the links >> > provided by members here, and their comments. In the >> scant hour I've spent >> > messing with it, I've already been able to do two >> tunes that I couldn't do >> > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by >> yourself -- without a >> > looping station, that is). >> > >> > Now to practice! >> > >> > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats >> nicely, in a timely >> > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to >> figure out that the >> > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My >> brain keeps insisting that >> > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) >> > >> > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on >> "looping for newbies -- >> > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 >> minutes!" then feel >> > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the >> list with my newbie >> > stuff). >> > >> > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. >> > >> > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 08:54:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B993BE88; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20080904083125.BF0E23BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080904083125.BF0E23BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19F44791-FE37-4B21-A5A9-B464D59F71F2@kliklak.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:54:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Nice thread! (if OT) I experimented with not reading any news for long periods of time before, and it does turn out, that all your friends constantly deliver to you, what could be having more impact on your personal life, than remote damm breaks in antarctica. Admittedly the consequences of human behaviour on the planet tend to be in effect more and more world-wide, when the number of us rises. But i still prefer local news, and surely one gets them even from your next door neighbor. That about illustrates for instance, why extended news coverage about US elections is so annoying, given, that the papers here don't deliver the same attention to our own politicians. Momentarily i am an online news junkie, for reasons of procrastination mainly, and the frustrating impact of consuming so many bad AND useless news is obvious and not minor. ouch. nah, we're having a nice Indian summer in berlin! don't miss our air cushion finish concert on saturday if you're anywhere near, details here: http://txp.kliklak.net/live-dates/air-cushion-finish-in-berlin-osthafen jrp On 04.09.2008, at 10:31, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad Berlin ,-) --- jayrope === musical === http://kliklak.net http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com http://myspace.com/prinzenallee === visual === http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 09:40:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5D8E3BE87; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=M8VYy0nRe/xybzi0mUIRFp3ud1FM/HABWcGza+GRJmd4PX4JFGWnh4zWNU9zpnZ5xf44F2ZIu0+pcie694mNssZgvWGhpHVmqdMClpRZH/e8u8Q6FOdKsWAjjL9hXLlBufyvxq7bt2iUQ5INoL/pbE32a14H5xke7aiYWow4mbA= ; X-YMail-OSG: djOwGxcVM1k33dORXTUEoF7DYYj57S7a0drjhvbbnI7Pv5TQZ7GPuMf8DyFGFwrZggtHTcqibkBTob7MRz0zftxpRqaYHmY8XKcGJKx_o_u9b2ryulayHIZ9mDHi.AI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--451618042 From: Matt Stevens Subject: Gig tonight off Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:40:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:40:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--451618042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I won't be playing tonight in Finsbury park due to food poisoning Bugger Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-4--451618042 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
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= --Apple-Mail-4--451618042-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 10:51:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEE933BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:50:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48BFBD5E.8010704@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:28 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 11:16:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4B53BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 71908050/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.25 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.25 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0BAFdgv0hPTooZ/2dsb2JhbAAIt16BZ4M+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="71908050" Message-ID: <48BFC3B6.8010502@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:17:10 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop References: <20080904083129.B546A3BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080904083129.B546A3BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Dave Gallaher wrote: > However, I disagree about the pre-playing of rhythms as being always uncool. > I'm not a big fan of playing those patterns exactly the same each time, so > every go-round can have new inflections and syncopations before finally > catching one particular permutation of it. I guess I see it more as an > introduction than a pattern setup. Another thing I enjoy doing is playing > unaccompanied leads in tempo before the rhythm is recorded, which also > nicely sets up the entry of the to-be-looped pattern. > good point andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 11:22:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3E363BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 68371139/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.138.25 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.138.25 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0BAA5hv0hPTooZ/2dsb2JhbAAIt1eBZ4M+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,320,1217804400"; d="scan'208";a="68371139" Message-ID: <48BFC4F4.6050508@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:22:28 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop References: <48BF9412.7090900@tiscali.co.uk> <722757.87270.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0809040147l54e8dfe0j7d41b5431af003cc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0809040147l54e8dfe0j7d41b5431af003cc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-DdcTC.A.RPD.gT8vIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I guess there must be some part of information missing here because > what you are describing is simply not possible! As I understand it you > are doing three things: > > 1. Kick Record. > 2. Play your instrument (which is now being recoded by the looper). > 3. Kick Record. > > Now, you're saying that after this process the loop starts playing > back "faster or ahead of time". But no looper in the world can read > your thoughts an know in advance when you will kick Record the second > time to close the loop, set the loop point and start playback of the > recorded loop! ;-)) > > Please fill us in with the missing pieces so we can sort this out! > correct in what you say, if Mobius latency correction is too great, or it's used when you're listening to your sound coming through the pc, (and you're compensating for latency by ear), then Mobius will change the loop playback position so that the loop audio arrives at your ear ahead of when it's expected. (it doesn't have to read your mind, just miss out playing the beginning of the loop) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 12:16:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF3C3BE87; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=L8H07Keb7gVbvCra0MJ8DkEg/iD0gncutlV3fIX4/0YIUYnMN2mx13KBlX9blkBtnczKz4wBD8GQ8SzkawpsSrq3xJN4QFVTSx9tfDbI8h6YH6l2Eo+jOYsMEn2PcWggRoy7Gn3tSZdwb0MvdFr472E3XV7NkY1Nn4Aubv1LVRo=; X-YMail-OSG: JqeOzBEVM1kCjEI78_nGqpu9U9E6gTlyXGKY6.cuhJ.0jzfxKO2KAscYL_HhyMTFw8Imyvm9dskTSasR.xOLMv0av6CYQ_mctJBKakV0AdNFdx7CM8b638DELgWoPk5vsomNu8YBl5q15XvQ_Yk8WJls X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0809040147l54e8dfe0j7d41b5431af003cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <603764.86541.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Let me explain better,as soon as i hit the second record to close the loop the loop playback starts really fast, almost like skipping the first beat...make sense? Hmmm i dont understand what you are saying about my mail client because i see it on the list and everybody seems to be getting them.I did see yesterday that when you mailed me it was off list so when i replied it was sent to you only so you might want to check your mail client. Let me know cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:47 AM > Hi, > > I guess there must be some part of information missing here > because > what you are describing is simply not possible! As I > understand it you > are doing three things: > > 1. Kick Record. > 2. Play your instrument (which is now being recoded by the > looper). > 3. Kick Record. > > Now, you're saying that after this process the loop > starts playing > back "faster or ahead of time". But no looper in > the world can read > your thoughts an know in advance when you will kick Record > the second > time to close the loop, set the loop point and start > playback of the > recorded loop! ;-)) > > Please fill us in with the missing pieces so we can sort > this out! > > (BTW, you still have your email client set to your own > address in the > "Reply to" field. This is why your list posts are > sent back to you > privately instead of to the list) > > Per > > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius > out if the way i am having a similar problem; with the MME > drivers mobius had latency when i triggered it with the > fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the way it > was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME > fireface)it responds nice and fast but when i record a loop > and end it,playback starts faster or ahead of time which can > throw me off,same when i do overdubing! > > anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is > there an difference in accuracy response? would i just have > to adapt to this and live with it,or is it a setup problem? > > Luis > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler > wrote: > > > >> From: andy butler > >> Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now > That First Loop > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM > >> Or alternatively:- > >> > >> The most accurate and reliable method to create > that first > >> loop is > >> to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap > at the > >> end. > >> By using the same method to start the loop as to > end it, > >> there's > >> a slight (but significant) advantage in that any > timing > >> discrepancies > >> between the tapping and the playing will cancel > out. > >> (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you > still get an > >> accurate loop length). > >> Any method that uses 2 different actions to start > and end > >> the loop is likely > >> to mess with accurate timing. > >> > >> While it's often recommended to play a rhythm > part > >> through a couple of times > >> before recording it this does not give any > advantage, you > >> still have to > >> learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn > any of > >> the looping > >> skills you'd need for more complex > arrangements and it > >> doesn't > >> sound/look as cool. > >> > >> The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at > first, but > >> it's actually not > >> at all hard to learn, I've seen people > "get > >> it" in about 5 mins of trying. > >> (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works). > >> > >> Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other > >> techniques. > >> > >> I'd also say that it's better to turn off > the > >> pre-set tempo on the looper, > >> and just tap in the loop. > >> (unless you need to sync up for some reason} > >> > >> andy butler > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dave Gallaher wrote: > >> > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is > like mine, > >> and therefore has the > >> > Autostart setting available. This will > reduce 50% of > >> your loop error > >> > potential right off the bat if you are > starting from > >> silence. Select > >> > Autostart; set the level to the point where a > >> well-played note (but not an > >> > accidental click or handling noise) will > begin the > >> loop. Then all you have > >> > to do is end on time, and it's much > easier to hit > >> the '1' following several > >> > measures of playing than it is to start dead > on. > >> > > >> > Another technique: if you are going to lay a > rhythm > >> guitar pattern down as > >> > the bed, play it a couple times before > hitting the > >> loop. If you have any > >> > discrepancy in your tempo between your > starting point > >> and the end of the > >> > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a > go-round > >> or two. Using > >> > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, > stop for a > >> four beat rest while > >> > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on > >> '1'. > >> > > >> > I have no experience recording with included > clicks > >> and drum rhythms, so > >> > this advice may be useless to you if this is > your > >> mode. > >> > > >> > dave > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and > Opinions > >> Sought > >> > > >> > Thank you all for your advice. I really > appreciated > >> it. > >> > > >> > I had it down to the following three -- > >> > > >> > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not > feasible, as > >> the footprint and > >> > extra setup for a mixer would detract from > what I need > >> it to do in the way I > >> > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go > quickly) > >> > > >> > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but > realistically > >> when live could only > >> > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would > have to > >> stop and save) > >> > > >> > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and > finicky, with a > >> large number of > >> > complaints registered online, and even a > known > >> "glitch" that bothers some > >> > people regarding a playback gap. > >> > > >> > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop > Station, due > >> mostly to the links > >> > provided by members here, and their comments. > In the > >> scant hour I've spent > >> > messing with it, I've already been able > to do two > >> tunes that I couldn't do > >> > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran > song by > >> yourself -- without a > >> > looping station, that is). > >> > > >> > Now to practice! > >> > > >> > (yegods, laying down that first track so it > repeats > >> nicely, in a timely > >> > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me > awhile to > >> figure out that the > >> > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat > ... My > >> brain keeps insisting that > >> > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some > reason?!) > >> > > >> > If anybody wishes to pass me the > links/references on > >> "looping for newbies -- > >> > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in > under 20 > >> minutes!" then feel > >> > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to > spam the > >> list with my newbie > >> > stuff). > >> > > >> > Thank you all again for the advice. I > appreciate it. > >> > > >> > > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 12:24:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78483BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=eiuAJujQZX53dS631u/T3XqCIRJJg/1/avv9/G9k0UUVM3u75BRuC+wclEM9LFXWmdIe8fFCScOeL70fDXOA752QezxvT6NP1BCJMx53hb6Oopu7oC38kjVjQUCcpwvLtI60BAdk4Q2rzZtDBFE9UsS1aPkmRqibeec2kOWxMXg=; X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48BFC4F4.6050508@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <666369.93697.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Yes Andy that seems to be the case i am going to mess with the compensation feature and get back to you guys Also let me know if this mail is going privately or to the list i checked my preferences and everything seems cool(but perhaps the spam filter) ill check it out again Luis > > > > correct in what you say, > if Mobius latency correction is too great, > or it's used when you're listening to your sound > coming through the pc, > (and you're compensating for latency by ear), > then Mobius will change the loop playback position so that > the loop audio arrives at your ear ahead of when it's > expected. > > (it doesn't have to read your mind, just miss out > playing the beginning of the loop) > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 12:32:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF3F3BE94; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:32:42 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: RE: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Dave wrote: > However, I disagree about the pre-playing of rhythms as being always un= cool. > I'm not a big fan of playing those patterns exactly the same each time,= so > every go-round can have new inflections and syncopations before finally= > catching one particular permutation of it. I guess I see it more as an= > introduction than a pattern setup. Another thing I enjoy doing is play= ing > unaccompanied leads in tempo before the rhythm is recorded, which also > nicely sets up the entry of the to-be-looped pattern. What I would like to add it that, although you can learn how to create an= accurate loop, syncing other midi devices using midi clock is another is= sue. I found out that each looper has its own rules in how it calculates = the tempo. With the LP1 it is possible to use an external MIDI clock source such as = a drum machine to create loops that stay synchronized. I recently bought = a small tap tempo pedal, it's LED assumes a 4/4 time and signals the =931= =94 with red, and the =932=94 =933=94 and=944=94 with blue lights. But it= may also be used for any other times (e.g. 3/4). My synths and loopers a= re all synced to it, and using a rhythmic synth patch as your first loop = makes your live a lot easier, something like an arpeggio or a patch with = tempo synced LFO's. The LP1 creates perfect loops this way. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 12:37:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD1D3BE93; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Politics and Compassion: was OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD082309948B67@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6705@barq.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Politics and Compassion: was OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckOiwOxoeP2E+RNSEKswtPtpZj/sw== References: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6705@barq.sailpoint.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: "Jeff Larson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2008 12:37:35.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[021121D0:01C90E8B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:37:39 +0000 (UTC) It is important in these discussions to make a distinction between the significant majority of people, of all stripes, who are decent and caring, and those in the worlds of politics, media, and business who purport to speak for them, at least AT them. I would agree with assessments of the political right, many fundamentalists with whom the political right has been aligned for a long time now, and the big businesses that have benefitted from the extremely pro-business climate these folks have put in place. I would ALSO agree with Jeff that there are plenty of Southern Baptist churchgoers who are compassionate. There are also a lot of just plain uninformed voters across the whole spectrum, people whose beliefs are informed by little more than screaming talking heads and manipulators, and who develop biases and maybe hatreds as a consequence. The sad thing is that so many middle and lower class Americans have been bamboozled into thinking the right wing is their best hope (Sarah P hit all their talking points again last night... they DO stay on message, don't they?). I don't pretend to speak for Bill Walker, but I'm pretty sure he'll say, "Yes, I'm referring to the right wing power brokers and fearmongers, not the folks in the pews, on tractors, or mothering their hockey kids." It is neither useful to tar all the individuals of one sort with a big brush, nor to ignore the general drift of our society towards materialism, endorsement of terrorism, transfer of power to the executive branch... I'll stop there. Others have spoken here about all of this. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 4:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint > The "right'" seem to be very discompassionate (see: Katrina) > and self centered. Oh yeah, there was not a single Southern Baptist church in Texas that was willing to provide shelter for Katrina refugees. Oh wait, actually there were quite a few. That seems rather compassionate. They must have been taking some time off between rounds of genital mutilations. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 13:35:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2044B3BE8C; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RX1QKjmUsBMUuf6oNjO0OXsk5jugiHY06ryBwQWj/PE=; b=ksTdNwEY/4DJ4asoNUfqOHCByxWeFcROD+s6LV8iFqqIP+SGY74/8I0EAUUL1zJsig pI0XiTJXlpNS0pFoikOjRk3h7bxHCODcXcbBngOpzq/k8SOFPcXxsLKZrbHB5O/pPBeK 2JT6aagV6za+XgDaVM4OpzzbU32XGBioSiZGU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iwZKi5X+Y9haUbneNOuOjgJj3D8i0HHUCuCbVHtF8vi6C9AX/vJZrZ0hz/Z06SBtFH sGAQRrPtbiGAgyOl3rT9gYfNc87/lTcM7Fbmc+FjDSkjmt/2eYQ4YNI7U2WTlm95LXFg ENL3eK4Zr28oFBgu0ThAbPFmX6xayf+rM1YVA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0809040635w5003ac58m850e34573ace4623@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:35:07 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop In-Reply-To: <666369.93697.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48BFC4F4.6050508@tiscali.co.uk> <666369.93697.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Yes Andy that seems to be the case i am going to mess with the compensation feature and get back to you guys I see what you mean now, Luis. Sorry for the "looper can't read your mind" joke ;-)) I forgot about the latency compensation issue. Over here I set it up once and for a long time I have not touched it. The way I did it was to play something really rhythmic, like a funk guitar vamp, and make a loop by hitting Record -> Record (not Record -> Overdub). Then you change the value for the compensation until it feels just right; the looper not skipping over time or loosing time at the moment you step Record for the second time. Best is to play the vamp for some seconds before making the loop, so you will be fully into the groove (musically) and sure to detect any disturbing error in the timing of the looper. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 14:52:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 971293BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kBRPhTWm36fx68IUaa8zU6eeApNurAV0cXoSpVmO2WC+H8iFxo8O/7lfnp8nH9OOOYhHVBbpB3+ZU04Aa2L4qjwAdapuTTAc0KTiSPuTnorJagddeYlBMKb2wkYSu4oTCMH6OBTT8vxIWASguX3HZylIoQyRLPNlVtKqyrrO2UQ=; X-YMail-OSG: tMgcIocVM1n7IP9TNIvjCXa.0fCYCw6rnw2tTFfSuz4RkD7NGdQ3z8ntgaTu7iQiV613SaMUJM3S.9yVWHQ.UiaoWw4piOpDRqS9xQesEOL6blxrz2eGlTQAiuoL0o_SWJjIlHcuWGbDO8kFlPtfkZtv X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0809040635w5003ac58m850e34573ace4623@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <411868.20454.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:52:25 +0000 (UTC) No sweat man, i agree id be the first one to buy a looper that read my mind unfortunately the looper just repeats the shit i put in it;-D So after messing aroud with both drivers almost a day i have finally settled back to the MME, i know it sounds disgusting but Mobius reacts way to sensitive with the ASIO drivers and my RME.With the MME drivers i set latency compensation to about 60 milliseconds and it works good enough for ma funk. here is a quote from Jeff: "Most of my testing has been done using MME drivers, specifically because they introduce high latency. Systems that synchronize recorded audio with what is being played must perform latency compensation. ASIO tends to hide errors in latency compensation, MME makes them painfully obvious" and this is why i have no choice but to go with MME,with ASIO the error is somewhat hidden and there wasnt much i could do. cheers and thank you all for your help! Luis > > I see what you mean now, Luis. Sorry for the "looper > can't read your > mind" joke ;-)) > > I forgot about the latency compensation issue. Over here I > set it up > once and for a long time I have not touched it. The way I > did it was > to play something really rhythmic, like a funk guitar vamp, > and make a > loop by hitting Record -> Record (not Record -> > Overdub). Then you > change the value for the compensation until it feels just > right; the > looper not skipping over time or loosing time at the moment > you step > Record for the second time. > > Best is to play the vamp for some seconds before making the > loop, so > you will be fully into the groove (musically) and sure to > detect any > disturbing error in the timing of the looper. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 15:15:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D723BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=jmuDxJkTC2UXf2IG4qxi3RhJAg1eAlH6NpdNy2EJ1k8=; b=m8MApzVrlAsve9dU0LNq9kV3D4qgsrVtsSDWODIXHQzxKUiNCNSD0NWrKi1AuKMta9 moG/tcTUpzgp1teJMq4Pj9jNxxu+guRT7hdtHDjUGdP3KWhrO8z3D2/NS3dVyI69aGyn um1vHhGqDPBufGceWS0deWXPyXZjgSWqlfgT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=aP0A8d855OEX/k+TnKvC3bK8owizHlKzQasD4DM6l4rsPU+g8qCbj52trzELZRkqm4 UBlw0nihf7JUsTD5Bp0UZDtXjCemk0znEvouiEZP6GN2ejs9RcFQKVDv65PXvvsGSZct v2tAE6/ZKCvM7VGDxL4/fE6xMewAgneaOSNyU= Message-ID: <9e0440a60809040815ie9c29av954a15dd9152b822@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:15:27 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 5 Knaves Video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85415_26201546.1220541327686" Resent-Message-ID: <54CHgC.A.5fE.Ru_vIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:15:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85415_26201546.1220541327686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is a follow-up post to the collective 5 Knaves show several of us did in Boston on August 2nd. I put together this video of the closing collab with all of us - Chinapainting, Tim, Dennis and Rob [Byrd]. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOUhhxgSWA Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_85415_26201546.1220541327686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
This is a follow-up post to the collective 5 Knaves show several of us did in Boston on August 2nd.  I put together this video of the closing collab with all of us - Chinapainting, Tim, Dennis and Rob [Byrd].
 
 
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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_85415_26201546.1220541327686-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 15:30:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94A03BE8C; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "labaloops@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:29:59 -0500 Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Topic: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Index: AckOiTZYOXtEV9raSGWWJPeIvM6mQgAGC0Nw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6916@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <48BFC4F4.6050508@tiscali.co.uk> <666369.93697.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <666369.93697.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:30:02 +0000 (UTC) It sounds like output latency is too high. For ASIO devices we usually start with a requested latency of 5ms which results in input and output block sizes of 256. The drivers then sometimes report a little extra latency for the DAC, usually 50 or less. So, input and output latency should both be in the range of 250 to 300. The default latency values are displayed in the "Current device reports xxx" text next to the latency override text boxes. Sometimes this is not reported accurately so you need to override latency by entering numbers into the two text boxes. If the reported output latency is way above 250 (assuming you have 5ms suggested latency) then enter 250 and see how that sounds. When output latency is way high sometimes input latency is reported as zero, apparently because they report the "full path" latency as output latency rather than splitting it. In this case you need to manually set input latency to 250. Basically, input and output latency should start out fairly close to each other and for 5ms should be near 250. After that you can start tweaking it if it doesn't sound quite right. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 15:33:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72C1E3BE98; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "labaloops@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:33:25 -0500 Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Topic: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Index: AckOndpSAlfafkMZRoWGv9o41lc0TQABWGDA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC691F@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <66f9cc1e0809040635w5003ac58m850e34573ace4623@mail.gmail.com> <411868.20454.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <411868.20454.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:33:28 +0000 (UTC) > here is a quote from Jeff: > "Most of my testing has been done using MME drivers, specifically > because they introduce high latency. Systems that synchronize recorded > audio with what is being played must perform latency > compensation. ASIO tends to hide errors in latency compensation, MME > makes them painfully obvious" Please try to set ASIO latency as I described in my previous email, you will be happier. This quote is rather old, once I got compensation working properly I started using ASIO all the time. Jeff From member@eby.it Thu Sep 4 16:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 603 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:57:09 UTC Received: from mail.bdr.ro (mail.bdr.ro [83.166.220.122]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E43BE81; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([86.34.223.47]) by mail.bdr.ro with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:36:21 +0300 Reply-To: From: "Utente eBay" Subject: Domanda sull'oggetto #230256493068 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:16:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2008 16:36:21.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CFF0370:01C90EAC] To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 17:07:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07453BE85; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:07:32 -0500 Subject: RE: Politics and Compassion: was OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Topic: Politics and Compassion: was OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckOiwOxoeP2E+RNSEKswtPtpZj/swAJKNAQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6986@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6705@barq.sailpoint.com> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD082309948B67@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD082309948B67@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:35 +0000 (UTC) > I would agree with assessments of the political right, many > fundamentalists with whom the political right has been aligned for a > long time now, and the big businesses that have benefitted from the > extremely pro-business climate these folks have put in place. I would > ALSO agree with Jeff that there are plenty of Southern Baptist > churchgoers who are compassionate. You know, my friends are just doubled over with laughter at seeing me defend the Southern Baptist Church. Most of my views are actually rather liberal, but I just can't stand the broad-brush demonizing rhetoric that has become so popular. I'm also not nearly as alarmed about the big bad government as most of my leftist friends are. Sure the war sucks. Worst. Decision. Ever. The religious right sucks. I will be dancing in the streets when Bush is out of office. But are we teetering on the brink of totalitarianism, soon to be taken from our homes in the night by representatives of Halliburton and forced to read the bible? No. Out of curiosity, how would you say the religious right has effected your lives over the past 8 years. I'll grant you gay marriage and intelligent design "science". What else? Sure they make a lot of noise but how much practical influence have they had on your lives? (Now my friends are weeping hysterically because I'm downplaying the religious right). The economy goes up. The economy goes down. Idiots get elected, idiots get voted out. The Democrats tax and spend. The Republicans borrow and spend. We get involved in bad wars. We get involved in good wars. Are we drifting to the right? Perhaps. But like climate change it's hard to say if this is momentary blip or a steady trend (hey, we're back to global warming!). Finally business. Big bad business. I'm also one of those crazy loons that thinks the free market works pretty darn well though it does occasionally need to be influenced through regulation. Just like the right seems to think all of our problems are caused by immigration, gays, and flag burning, the left seems to think all our problems will be solved with government regulation and entitlement programs. (Okay, more broad brushes). Getting back to climate change, I applaud anyone's effort to reduce their carbon footprint. I also encourage everyone to be more aware of the macroeconomic processes involved in the products they consume. But ultimately I think the only way we're going to "fix" climate change is by making big businesses and certain governments change they way they do things. I just want to make it clear that piling on hastily concocted regulations and trade barriers to achieve a short term effect often has disastrous macroeconomic consequences that aren't at all "compassionate". Proceed with caution. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 17:48:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498493BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1ic3//IU/DXGtmtYSfSZ/3g/drgBN+TEwHNbu7bkzK2/dlRK3vhyeprPjebFvzgxORClfyMLp1PdOr5lbbemrsu5C4knzFLNzqRVwkJJLx3pKqxno/35JgR0iOY6FsoDH1CrTUqFz34JYkoGSecrNwu+uaTGR0mObMVOtFDV86E=; X-YMail-OSG: ALr_884VM1n_rS6kxePSIQdr6CB5KeTviHVi7Z947wgzCFOSIpEVzKAGQSs0oWaOQy3K721rvz.QVpNaoY9XZEOpQ3axxJYNCvO0a3TVQMT7ZR4.GDO5OIBIwb128EeQR6Yel59J6cybI.2HHmabELZN X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6916@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <22677.38809.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Jeff perfect!!! i had been putting different values in those boxes no wonder it was not working i have 250milliseconds in both and now is pure heaven!!! would you please guide me through how to manipulate the output of all tracks? anybody? I go to midi control then: under function-track group control-output level configuration-basic looping but only one track is responding thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop > To: "labaloops@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 8:29 AM > It sounds like output latency is too high. For ASIO devices > we usually > start with a requested latency of 5ms which results in > input and output > block sizes of 256. The drivers then sometimes report a > little > extra latency for the DAC, usually 50 or less. So, input > and output > latency should both be in the range of 250 to 300. > > The default latency values are displayed in the > "Current device > reports xxx" text next to the latency override text > boxes. Sometimes > this is not reported accurately so you need to override > latency > by entering numbers into the two text boxes. If the > reported > output latency is way above 250 (assuming you have 5ms > suggested > latency) then enter 250 and see how that sounds. > > When output latency is way high sometimes input latency is > reported > as zero, apparently because they report the "full > path" latency > as output latency rather than splitting it. In this case > you > need to manually set input latency to 250. > > Basically, input and output latency should start out fairly > close > to each other and for 5ms should be near 250. After that > you > can start tweaking it if it doesn't sound quite right. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 18:15:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FEC3BE87; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48C025D7.1040301@wi.rr.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:15:51 -0500 From: JingTone Productions User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought References: <20080904065224.505843BE7C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080904065224.505843BE7C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080904-0, 09/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:15:52 +0000 (UTC) There were a shitload of Harleys here this past weekend. Incredibly load and traffic congesting. But they are cool peeps and the spend a lot of money in Milwaukee. Unfortunately none of it made it to me. Anyone else use the RC-50 and willing to share tips for effective use, or undocumented yet effective strategies? Thanks in advance, Joe C in Milwaukee Dave Gallaher wrote: > Sorry, Joe, > > My Boss experience is with RC 20s, not 50s. > > Did you guys get all the Harleys back out of town? > > dave > > > Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought > > Hello to all! > > I am a longtime songwriter musician and neophyte looper. I just ordered > a Boss RC-50. > > Dave, Thanks for the two tips below. Do you have any other tips or > links for using the RC-50? > > Thanks in advance, > > Joe C in Milwaukee > > Dave Gallaher wrote: > >> I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine, and therefore has >> > the > >> Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of your loop error >> potential right off the bat if you are starting from silence. Select >> Autostart; set the level to the point where a well-played note (but not an >> accidental click or handling noise) will begin the loop. Then all you >> > have > >> to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit the '1' following >> > several > >> measures of playing than it is to start dead on. >> >> Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm guitar pattern down >> > as > >> the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the loop. If you have any >> discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point and the end of the >> phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round or two. Using >> autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a four beat rest while >> stepping on the record pedal, then begin on '1'. >> >> I have no experience recording with included clicks and drum rhythms, so >> this advice may be useless to you if this is your mode. >> >> dave >> >> >> >> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought >> >> Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated it. >> >> I had it down to the following three -- >> >> A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as the footprint and >> extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need it to do in the way >> > I > >> need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly) >> >> B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically when live could only >> record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to stop and save) >> >> C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a large number of >> complaints registered online, and even a known "glitch" that bothers some >> people regarding a playback gap. >> >> In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due mostly to the links >> provided by members here, and their comments. In the scant hour I've >> > spent > >> messing with it, I've already been able to do two tunes that I couldn't do >> solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by yourself -- without a >> looping station, that is). >> >> Now to practice! >> >> (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats nicely, in a timely >> regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to figure out that the >> tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My brain keeps insisting >> > that > >> red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!) >> >> If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on "looping for newbies >> > -- > >> how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20 minutes!" then feel >> free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the list with my newbie >> stuff). >> >> Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 19:02:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAD393BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:02:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e625894b-37c0-4e83-910d-a9d350c03e0f_" X-Originating-IP: [99.246.89.216] From: Dave Lauzon To: Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:02:26 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c90e0f$df0d2a10$020313ac@PIPO> References: <000001c90e0f$df0d2a10$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2008 19:02:27.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5D3C6B0:01C90EC0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:02:27 +0000 (UTC) --_e625894b-37c0-4e83-910d-a9d350c03e0f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info. I finally got the repeater to respond last night. It= must be an issue with my particular unit=2C but it seems that no matter wh= at I have the midi channel set to on the repeater=2C it only responds on ch= annel 16. which is fine=2C now that I know that. Its good to see how you've programmed it. So many options. CC mode is the= most appealing because of being able to use all the pedals. I like the id= ea of using the different modes. That may work out. Thanks again=2C Dave > From: tcplugin@scarlet.be > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater > Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 2008 23:56:07 +0200 >=20 > Yes=2C patch mode allows you to use any midi channel per CTL or EXP pedal > (incl. the external ones). With the EXP pedals you can send up to 6 > control messages on different midi channels=2C for example a volume > cross-fade with 2 different devices. The standard and control modes uses > the global midi channel and both the CTL and EXP pedals can only send 1 > CC message.=20 >=20 > I have been experimenting with all modes the last couple of months to > minimize the "tap dancing". Tip: keep in mind you can control multiple > devices on the same midi channel=2C but you have to be sure you use > different control change messages for each device. That's how I use my > FC-300 now=2C because this allows you to use the CC mode and you then hav= e > 10 CTL pedals per setup in stead of 2 in patch mode :) So at the moment > I use a combination of Control mode and Standard mode and I switch from > STD to CC mode with a additional Boss footswitch. >=20 > Standard mode > * Pedal 1-8 selects the corresponding LP1 track > * CTL1=3Dmidi sync/overdub > * CTL2=3Derase track =3D> my emergency button :) >=20 > Control mode > * 1-10: midi sync/overdub=2C stop=2C play=2C fade=2C swell=2C reverse=2C = half speed=2C > low scramble=2C mid scramble=2C high scramble > * CTL1:previous track > * CTL2: next track >=20 > All modes: > * Expression pedal 1: Volume > * Expression pedal 2: Feedback > * 1 FS-6 footswitch connect to switch modes (CC-STD) >=20 > PS I just uploaded my LP1 and FC-300 setup=2C see > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/lp1.htm >=20 > ---=20 > Sjaak=20 > http://www.livelooping.be/=20 > http://www.overgaauw.be/=20 > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=20 >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ --_e625894b-37c0-4e83-910d-a9d350c03e0f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the= info. =3B I finally got the repeater to respond last night. =3B It= must be an issue with my particular unit=2C but it seems that no matter wh= at I have the midi channel set to on the repeater=2C it only responds on ch= annel 16. =3B which is fine=2C now that I know that.

Its good to= see how you've programmed it. =3B So many options. =3B CC mode is = the most appealing because of being able to use all the pedals. =3B I l= ike the idea of using the different modes. =3B That may work out.
Thanks again=2C
Dave



>= =3B From: tcplugin@scarlet.be
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com
>=3B Subject: RE: FC-300 Repeater
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 3 Sep 20= 08 23:56:07 +0200
>=3B
>=3B Yes=2C patch mode allows you to use = any midi channel per CTL or EXP pedal
>=3B (incl. the external ones). = With the EXP pedals you can send up to 6
>=3B control messages on diff= erent midi channels=2C for example a volume
>=3B cross-fade with 2 dif= ferent devices. The standard and control modes uses
>=3B the global mi= di channel and both the CTL and EXP pedals can only send 1
>=3B CC mes= sage.
>=3B
>=3B I have been experimenting with all modes the la= st couple of months to
>=3B minimize the "tap dancing". Tip: keep in m= ind you can control multiple
>=3B devices on the same midi channel=2C = but you have to be sure you use
>=3B different control change messages= for each device. That's how I use my
>=3B FC-300 now=2C because this = allows you to use the CC mode and you then have
>=3B 10 CTL pedals per= setup in stead of 2 in patch mode :) So at the moment
>=3B I use a co= mbination of Control mode and Standard mode and I switch from
>=3B STD= to CC mode with a additional Boss footswitch.
>=3B
>=3B Standar= d mode
>=3B * Pedal 1-8 selects the corresponding LP1 track
>=3B = * CTL1=3Dmidi sync/overdub
>=3B * CTL2=3Derase track =3D>=3B my emer= gency button :)
>=3B
>=3B Control mode
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>=3B * CTL1:previ= ous track
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>=3B
>=3B All modes:
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>=3B * Expression pedal 2: Feedback=
>=3B * 1 FS-6 footswitch connect to switch modes (CC-STD)
>=3B <= br>>=3B PS I just uploaded my LP1 and FC-300 setup=2C see
>=3B http:= //euroloopfest.com/sjaak/lp1.htm
>=3B
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Click here to find out how Click here to find out how = --_e625894b-37c0-4e83-910d-a9d350c03e0f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 19:15:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9613BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:15:14 -0500 Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Topic: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop Thread-Index: AckOtmKfmwk4yCXvT7K46UiJIiX+EAAC3L7Q Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6A1B@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6916@barq.sailpoint.com> <22677.38809.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <22677.38809.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:15:20 +0000 (UTC) > would you please guide me through how to manipulate the output of all tra= cks? anybody? > I go to midi control then: > under function-track group > control-output level > configuration-basic looping > but only one track is responding Are you trying to assign a different MIDI controller to each track output level? If so you will need to make 8 MIDI assignments. Select "Output Level" from the center Control window. Below in the Scope selector select "Track 1" use MIDI Capture or manually select the MIDI controller you want to use for track 1. Repeat this process for the other tracks by changing the Scope. I don't mind answering these questions over here but we should probably move this over to the Mobius Yahoo group so we can free up LD for political discussions :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 19:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33FF3BE8F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=m+yHcySZcIuuUKlhtRpWJbnIRwSmZMOdO8ejYHhjbaqbCvMNTg7h4GSH3IvC8EXsaw+IENTrAjPnnILOPyyIZu7mvyq4SqacMCjgNhnVcl8lwnBRmHvJiubXFLs5MWIvYHto+WFBYppA5xYWCLDX+troQHNODL0sa1hBbrGoBlI=; X-YMail-OSG: oJyK36kVM1lg09eCh.n2aLIQQYMm3YRrr_IzNtXSa5wMceiMXYq1Lsc6XdEICAt8U9V3UtPM1haeS7TyyO1c5SofZ2t.o3GxDJLZjNLzwQtnPCGpgvXaS_CXitFGdzM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144B8FBC6A1B@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <144269.15015.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7tDGS.A.Z1H.aYDwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:25:14 +0000 (UTC) ok thanx ive just signed up for the groups cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jeff Larson wrote: > From: Jeff Larson > Subject: RE: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop > To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:15 PM > > would you please guide me through how to manipulate the > output of all tracks? anybody? > > I go to midi control then: > > under function-track group > > control-output level > > configuration-basic looping > > but only one track is responding > > Are you trying to assign a different MIDI controller to > each track > output level? If so you will need to make 8 MIDI > assignments. Select > "Output Level" from the center Control window. > Below in the Scope > selector select "Track 1" use MIDI Capture or > manually select > the MIDI controller you want to use for track 1. Repeat > this > process for the other tracks by changing the Scope. > > I don't mind answering these questions over here but we > should > probably move this over to the Mobius Yahoo group so we > can free up LD for political discussions :-) > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 19:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9CD33BE87; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <243F83891DB542DEA65932BD5FBAE278@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GIG SPAM: Audience Interactive Electro-Acoustic Demonstration - This Evening at Boise City Hall Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:57:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BB7_01C90E96.34A6CE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:57:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BB7_01C90E96.34A6CE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in case anyone wants to jump on the Concord and fly on over to = Boise this evening... :) Kris ************************* Hello all, This evening, as part of Boise's "First Thursdays", I am conducting for = the second time my audience interactive electro-acoustic music = demonstration. It will be in front of the City Hall, down town Boise, = 5-7pm. I look forward to seeing you, or tinkering with my music = machines. =20 Below is the overview of the program. Kris An Interactive Electro-Acoustic Demonstration by Krispen Hartung =20 Electro-Acoustic Music "Electro-Acoustic music thrives in more unfamiliar territory; the styles = that emerge are often dictated by the technology itself. Rather than = sampling or synthesizing acoustic sounds to electronically replicate = them, these composers tend to mutate the original timbres, sometimes to = an unrecognizable state. True artists in the genre also create their own = sounds (as opposed to using the preset sounds that come with modern = synthesizers). In progressive electro-acoustic music, the electronics = play an equal if not greater part in the overall concept. Acoustic = instruments performed in real time are usually processed through reverb, = harmonizing, and so on, which adds an entirely new dimension to the = player's technique. At best, this music opens up new worlds of = listening, thinking, and feeling."=20 - All Music Guide =20 The Demonstration =20 This demonstration allows you to experience the fundamental principles = behind electro-acoustic music. It features three acoustic instruments = as original sound sources: The tongue drum, a music box installed on a = small acoustic guitar, and the "Joe Rut Machine." The sounds of these = three instruments are routed into a laptop computer, which is running = Cycling '74's software program, MAX/MSP. The software program is running = a custom "patch" that randomly chooses various effects and sound = manipulators, randomly alters the parameters of those effects, and = randomly samples and plays back the final output in real time. In = essence, your spontaneous input is accompanied by the spontaneous input = of the computer, resulting in hybrid human-machine improvisational = performance ------=_NextPart_000_0BB7_01C90E96.34A6CE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just in case anyone wants to jump on = the Concord=20 and fly on over to Boise this evening... :)
 
Kris
 
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Hello all,
 
This evening, as part of Boise's "First = Thursdays",=20 I am conducting for the second time my audience interactive = electro-acoustic=20 music demonstration. It will be in front of the City Hall, down town = Boise,=20 5-7pm.  I look forward to seeing you, or tinkering with my music=20 machines. 
 
Below is the overview of the = program.
 
Kris
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0BB7_01C90E96.34A6CE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 20:29:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AA23BE93; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 47131.80430.bm@omp124.mail.ac4.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=N5cgg+Ty9ru0bgfZwvUdO6AB7a3UY+i75JLcMcLc0H2SgQm/4e32caBdbXojyDR0YEe9jgybk6nJP7zKZoz7piBBym+LXmGyXO9yMh4jLQKfNKqT47pAD+PbYIS+lscHNY2YF9OOn7xDaj3AVgMrYNJ60g0hDPA9onrM6QL576k=; X-YMail-OSG: VVxg8kMVM1lBaO632Xmh95FMxlB32FDPczSLV6lgKkfV.PcNiiwrhcnQYEsmqfh3tAjMMp9Bl.nAwRq2W6eEWRFbpOg15iHP4IlC0heXkZsu9DslJ3LAtsiZCVYVILJhxk__hziG0k_LnD737cD0AUYf X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 5 Knaves Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60809040815ie9c29av954a15dd9152b822@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <257296.86382.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey, thanks for posting that, Jim! (Also for shooting and editing it!) In case anyone isn't sure who's who in the clip: On the floor, left to right (nearer to farther?): Daryl Shawn: Traveler guitar, cassette looping & creative facial hair. Jim Goodin: oud-loops and synchronized head nodding. Tim Nelson: white strat, m-tron, hiding behind pile o'gear. On the elevated stage, l-r: Dennis Moser: Godin xtSA guitar (I think) and those are Dennis's hands hooking up pedals in the opening shot. (I'm caught assuming the typical pre-show looper's position in the following shot.) Rob Byrd: yellow strat, NO loopers (but a plethora of delay) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOUhhxgSWA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 20:40:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BAE63BE8A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=F1UKq+vC7yWM3JYUWT+yxEgXw+1mZ9vi8680CvN2V5M=; b=H9yjQdWM/Vq986pNMhCMjXN61bpmU+2JwZR/mgfvqszvRnuLAx1/WssbyG3DBtXyGx bQB5BCrFTsld+hAhQlJK8FdCwiQwVy5oNcSrrRRy5ZGlyNwx/ZAp6vchMD+geagSjqxJ 20g8e6nRZ8DLCWdb5OGocTH4LnSsqkxYycjyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=u+rQyIj7ZF10ioekMngpAEy+Sdu4ilwe7sSiJKlT7BP35PfbyVx1yeutSbZGbHKp8D 3cJOddxT3ggvWUuC8tRpaW9toSsJMeQ60c14rizUzxHZ9Sn7DLFMa/0WQAt2p2+pLX5l ZOQnV8kkSx4wOo8McbppTk+v2yKrVXTTPx33c= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:40:17 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 5 Knaves Video Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <257296.86382.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33261_18168863.1220560817693" References: <9e0440a60809040815ie9c29av954a15dd9152b822@mail.gmail.com> <257296.86382.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:40:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33261_18168863.1220560817693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tim, Yep ... it's that "smoke-gray" Godin xtSA ... :-) Dennis On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > Hey, thanks for posting that, Jim! (Also for shooting and editing it!) > > In case anyone isn't sure who's who in the clip: > > On the floor, left to right (nearer to farther?): > Daryl Shawn: Traveler guitar, cassette looping & creative facial hair. > Jim Goodin: oud-loops and synchronized head nodding. > Tim Nelson: white strat, m-tron, hiding behind pile o'gear. > On the elevated stage, l-r: > Dennis Moser: Godin xtSA guitar (I think) and those are Dennis's hands > hooking up pedals in the opening shot. (I'm caught assuming the typical > pre-show looper's position in the following shot.) > Rob Byrd: yellow strat, NO loopers (but a plethora of delay) > > -t- > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOUhhxgSWA > > > > > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_33261_18168863.1220560817693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Tim,

Yep ... it's that "smoke-gray" Godin xtSA ... :-)

Dennis

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, thanks for posting that, Jim! (Also for shooting and editing it!)

In case anyone isn't sure who's who in the clip:

On the floor, left to right (nearer to farther?):
Daryl Shawn: Traveler guitar, cassette looping & creative facial hair.
Jim Goodin: oud-loops and synchronized head nodding.
Tim Nelson: white strat, m-tron, hiding behind pile o'gear.
On the elevated stage, l-r:
Dennis Moser: Godin xtSA guitar (I think) and those are Dennis's hands hooking up pedals in the opening shot. (I'm caught assuming the typical pre-show looper's position in the following shot.)
Rob Byrd: yellow strat, NO loopers (but a plethora of delay)

-t-


http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes
http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson
http://www.youtube.com/speleman62


--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:


> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOUhhxgSWA








--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
------=_Part_33261_18168863.1220560817693-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 21:26:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C00A3BE8E; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 344 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:26:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: George Grant Subject: best free looping software for beginner ? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:20:35 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, My first post. I'm a pro musician, new to looping. I'm getting the hang of Boss RC-20, but I hear there is free software out there. Went to net, but it seems like a sea of info. Any recommendations for beginner's software for Mac OSX 10.4.11 ? thx folks? George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 4 23:33:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B873BE93; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7mlAC7pcHu4A:10 a=_tdJqoNVA_wA:10 a=o5zmhMY4kmXuxVcswNYA:9 a=dGS456DV3-Xr7AVfMMEmRWa60XYA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08EFA3B9-B30E-43AF-8C4B-228859C7B040@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: best free looping software for beginner ? Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:33:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Sooperlooper by far. Its sorta free. If you dig it, send some cash. Jesse works his ass off. On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:20 PM, George Grant wrote: > Hi Loopers, > > My first post. > > I'm a pro musician, new to looping. > I'm getting the hang of Boss RC-20, > but I hear there is free software out there. > > Went to net, but it seems like a sea of info. > Any recommendations for beginner's software > for Mac OSX 10.4.11 ? > > thx folks? > > George > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 00:20:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43D073BE87; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Zt6ItXRwNf0eUM/UTTUwlgumUmwDE7WhbmYoTwc00G0=; b=Jwpm2TytfvjYjTWXZIqmBa/PXWV5EfEJXaHz30Zmh5LIdEuJ41Oe9Ii00i2ALo1xp2 kRQnMPlI9HhEi/9OTiC/ripJ6HG+X1fWar+47S1hph9Agp30EuvY46bLHn1tM1B4qMbe me580WmZQIb4vzUMX0YFgUbZ6+VIRQRDcQhfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EWe/31STwZY2hg7pTJxzig7nTYANdq/nRz8N/+HyLu3/N0g4X1TTAcWgitdP6tbmku vaEu0TRjH9FIRmCT2ZKLJJchxzbmmvyLDfRNhM438dOB1ufby736wBtRFTViPPSyPUyl g9WIa4v1nSxar+bCZv1SDMXrJuZP1rVCjFyh4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:20:53 -0400 From: "Zak Kramer" To: loopers-delight Subject: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36159_14233694.1220574053455" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:20:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36159_14233694.1220574053455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc. So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so extensively. If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with guitar right now.) So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)? Thanks, -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_36159_14233694.1220574053455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc.

So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so extensively.

If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with guitar right now.)

So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)?

Thanks,

--
Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/
------=_Part_36159_14233694.1220574053455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 00:31:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB3753BE8E; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kpd2a6Jpp+UVgs4TNY3v2do1N5S2ytmcuB/kAUlqZ/HNRm01Wbyuu7OkYh9axeE5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4269859.1220574678148.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:31:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486796323e6e5e85193968ef7acda9c0193396037c9e1b016b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:31:18 +0000 (UTC) feel the pain of everyone,then... i feel nothing. yeah thats always been a problem for me too-love old amps-hate to put stuff in front of the input. one answer i came up w/ : get a hotplatehttp://www.thdelectronics.com/product_page_hotplate.html w/ the correct impedance of course-go line out to edp, then a power amp or p.a. >I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This >probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between >old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run >the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, >but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just >sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc. > >So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare >'62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so >extensively. > >If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any >advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with >guitar right now.) > >So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is >there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)? > >Thanks, > >-- >Zak Kramer >Crazyquilt Arts & Music >http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 00:53:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56CE3BE92; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xqmhvLsSAMIz5EFEYoYu1rWClqY+n1s6UX+aSW4nqXs=; b=xDyjhW/6ytVIEo7bmUGHwzSIZraQICiVUoiuJSosKH37zZurCuPXVs1hckrKPLXcxK Cx1bD4HAR5Fs5uZff1M1RVoI3CuuGOdKykjeVEcmRDpJbQZt00lanhDFrOOsXiPmXh5b RlrlHAv5+kXKvd/RUK3kUVJn9hmkFgsA5nOxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KyW1Dgqq727Icq5R6kbOz28JesbfQKWuRyX4sOrRC+v4WGG69g9OmY6FH2mGO2V0bm wnREepv2VUsdptcGLLujvXTjQe3lZ0Uk3XrzYAlLr38O4zRSLPbGzL+e8pircL41CAv1 9u3xOGhrraGlH4orGz9Sh+9OY+D+geImdzHxg= Message-ID: <8c82d1660809041753u79c821ean5257b058fa98e081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:53:22 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35919_24892559.1220576002116" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:53:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35919_24892559.1220576002116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dude, you don't have to mod your amp. If you have the cake, get an effects loop pedal. I found a very very high quality one... a Radial Tonebone Loopbone Master Loop Controller. (Yes, I realize it sounds like a looper, but it ain't.) It's very expensive, but the audio fidelity is amazing. It has two effects loops. Plus it has a gain boost, which can also act like a light distortion. Check it out, it might be just the ticket. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This > probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between > old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run > the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, > but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just > sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc. > > So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare > '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so > extensively. > > If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any > advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with > guitar right now.) > > So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is > there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)? > > Thanks, > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ > ------=_Part_35919_24892559.1220576002116 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Dude, you don't have to mod your amp.

If you have the cake, get an effects loop pedal. I found a very very high quality one... a Radial Tonebone Loopbone Master Loop Controller.

(Yes, I realize it sounds like a looper, but it ain't.)

It's very expensive, but the audio fidelity is amazing. It has two effects loops. Plus it has a gain boost, which can also act like  a light distortion.

Check it out, it might be just the ticket.


On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:
I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc.

So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so extensively.

If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with guitar right now.)

So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)?

Thanks,

--
Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/

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= --Apple-Mail-1--392756843-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 06:18:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8D33BE8A; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=aV7m/upVPocrJvgfRca7OE/2S3gf7qDZJYDFkKXtV1U=; b=KGMHb/ZgcCxPHUnu+v3zlQu9a1qlO09Tgr5RJMnhuJNkIJheVTnwsf1g5Dm8cA8532 +HPBidK3hlbJgq6J3e6hl+r2cZad4slOw0U/iZoijtc4Lht4a0evz8yKZ/qfPi2SoDXW m7B5q1ggJO9GstvqmIccrtJEQ+V108cIBy2TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jK01+yv5tfQ6GHBNl7uuRkJB0UZfTpj+cG5GG2Bj86LYBh3W9CZa3bUUVyZgbYXRlL op+I93maVL5vPGATfzjva4vUOtJE2Teh+7Cy+k0cBvrlrAs25mBB7lULUppYo6Pim3CD 4XP2KbJHzmK5PbbPVg4qNQ28wwwtxOoNk2NTk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:18:10 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17400_12137351.1220595490440" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:18:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17400_12137351.1220595490440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For the best sound, you'd probably want to mic the amp, put the EDP in the mixer aux loop, amplify the EDP through a clean monitoring system. Or, use a silent speaker box (guitar speaker inside a small soundproofed box with a mic mounted inside, and send that the mixer and put everything through the clean monitoring system. Lots of gear to move around though. Or, like you said, get amp with an effects loop. However, many guitar power amp sections aren't really designed to handle a complex signal such as live guitar plus loopage. I used to use a Mesa 50/50 and EV cabs, which were both so clean that it wasn't really a problem. TH On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This > probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between > old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run > the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, > but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just > sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc. > > So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare > '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so > extensively. > > If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any > advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with > guitar right now.) > > ------=_Part_17400_12137351.1220595490440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
For the best sound, you'd probably want to mic the amp, put the EDP in the mixer aux loop, amplify the EDP through a clean monitoring system.  Or, use a silent speaker box (guitar speaker inside a small soundproofed box with a mic mounted inside, and send that the mixer and put everything through the clean monitoring system.  Lots of gear to move around though.

Or, like you said, get amp with an effects loop.  However, many guitar power amp sections aren't really designed to handle a complex signal such as live guitar plus loopage.  I used to use a Mesa 50/50 and EV cabs, which were both so clean that it wasn't really a problem.

TH

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:
I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc.

So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so extensively.

If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with guitar right now.)


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 11:52:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E173BE8D; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LLdNnTCdJrHWubb6I7Ysk/j6nq/OIx0Qku6T6tMiVW4=; b=sxgHspdqRtCsqAfUfs9w+2+r9fhFGCK0RRe5rlr34kHLhtrH4alu0jttjEHT0kdCuj hGa3JWfc+Lh90/91ZPGujGW50izH2U4aRNSUGet1DChBn/+veV46OKR+smMpAlV1yweY 00HYa8ZSRbT6PDzcl2N8PP+Rt1P5b7e8EeEmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HfnVaUeuKQgM5fb93//Wcna+f6E+75b16yYw3T35EHh7Xf3RXFnpoEyXjIRDX+uDDB 8VQ1y6tZp/nU0POgIDZLKVZHvJQcYIV0QuoFQVTxhiQiSW+TEQ9Iuv9NMet5oiIVrqJE 8sF0hTxStRsyd+u82X8Xw8UdLSgKaRUu8VGZE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:52:14 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Zak, I run all of my loopers (EDP, DL4, 2880) through the aux sends on a board. I bring the returns back on individual faders so I have the most flexability EQ and signal blending. This not only allows you to run multiple sources through a single looper, but also allows you the option of running a single source to multiple loopers. Running through the auxes would give you the ability to mic the cab and grab all of the juicy tube combo sound. The trick to using auxes for loopers is that you have to make sure the loopers are only returning the loop and not the source of the loop. While this isn't the simplest way to set up your signal chain, I find it to be the most flexible and certainly the cleanest. I know much of the thread, of late, has been towards the simpler more portable rig. Simplification, quite often, implies a compromise either is functionality or in quality. It doesn't sound like you are willing to sacrifice either, so you are left with adding layers of complexity to accommodate your need for both. Hasta, Jeff www.jefflomas.com On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. This > probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the contrast between > old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, that forces me to run > the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp combos fare better than others, > but it's certainly a compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just > sucks; lots of noise, decapitated high end, etc. > > So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare > '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so > extensively. > > If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any > advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick with > guitar right now.) > > So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is > there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)? > > Thanks, > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 12:27:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D628F3BE87; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HSfnXj6XJwcA:10 a=nfqZQWOfWy8A:10 a=fSo-D6IsAAAA:8 a=F5pxtNDRE_V9aFouOFoA:9 a=rcNAwbuYJprNLD-LjLCLWkC3a2kA:4 a=GL-Re4spl-cA:10 a=oZp3JW1uROxz6X4ZYJEA:9 a=WXu3Kje5GWwQnrAkCqklzcFvhIgA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--355176334 Message-Id: <118D9045-B2F4-48FC-ABFC-EE65FD8C5110@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:27:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:27:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--355176334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Won't that sound like 2 guitars running through an old tube amp? That never sounds good to me. Again, this is where a laptop setup excels. Set correctly, your audience will never know the difference. On Sep 4, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube > amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like > the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. > Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some > guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a > compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of > noise, decapitated high end, etc. > > So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a > pretty rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not > about to mod mine so extensively. > > If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any > advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's > stick with guitar right now.) > > So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, > or is there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the > case)? > > Thanks, > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ --Apple-Mail-1--355176334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Won't that sound like 2 guitars running through an old tube amp? That = never sounds good to me. Again, this is where a laptop setup excels. Set = correctly, your audience will never know the = difference.=A0




<= div>On Sep 4, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Zak Kramer wrote:

I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style = tube amp. This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like = the contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. = Thing is, that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some = guitar/amp combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a = compromise. Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of = noise, decapitated high end, etc.

So, I take it that the = solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty rare '62 Princeton that = has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod mine so extensively. =

If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be = any advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's = stick with guitar right now.)

So...is the solution to get a = different amp with an effects loop, or is there some other tactic I'm = missing (which I'm hoping is the case)?

Thanks,

--
Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
= http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/=

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by Krispen Hartung

 

Electro-Acoustic Music

=93Electro-Acoustic music=20 thrives in more unfamiliar territory; the styles that emerge are often = dictated=20 by the technology itself. Rather than sampling or synthesizing acoustic = sounds=20 to electronically replicate them, these composers tend to mutate the = original=20 timbres, sometimes to an unrecognizable state. True artists in the genre = also=20 create their own sounds (as opposed to using the preset sounds that come = with=20 modern synthesizers). In progressive electro-acoustic music, the = electronics=20 play an equal if not greater part in the overall concept. Acoustic = instruments=20 performed in real time are usually processed through reverb, = harmonizing, and so=20 on, which adds an entirely new dimension to the player's technique. At = best,=20 this music opens up new worlds of listening, thinking, and feeling.=94=20

=96 All Music=20 Guide

 

The = Demonstration

 

This = demonstration allows=20 you to experience the fundamental principles behind electro-acoustic = music.   It features three = acoustic=20 instruments as original sound sources: The tongue drum, a music box = installed on=20 a small acoustic guitar, and the =93Joe Rut Machine.=94   The sounds of these = three=20 instruments are routed into a laptop computer, which is running Cycling = =9174=92s=20 software program, MAX/MSP. The software program is running a custom = =93patch=94 that=20 randomly chooses various effects and sound manipulators, randomly alters = the=20 parameters of those effects, and randomly samples and plays back the = final=20 output in real time.  In = essence,=20 your spontaneous input is accompanied by the spontaneous input of the = computer,=20 resulting in hybrid human-machine improvisational=20 performance

= --Apple-Mail-1--355176334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 14:16:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55EC13BE8A; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:16:43 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HSfnXj6XJwcA:10 a=nfqZQWOfWy8A:10 a=fSo-D6IsAAAA:8 a=A_duiMwk_keqOuCXyVoA:9 a=a8JLfaOTHjemVQD_5jvaaGII7i8A:4 a=2fbIFp9OhVUA:10 From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:11:10 +0000 Message-Id: <090520081411.21552.48C13DFE0008344B000054302216525806CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Zak, One solution is guitar into your vintage tube amp, mike that into the EDP and run the output into something with tons of clean headroom like a Fender Twin, or even something solid state, since you're real tone shaping is coming from the vintage amp and you really don't want anything that's going to break up or distort after going through the EDP. Chris > Zak Kramer wrote: > > I love the sound of a great guitar through a vintage style tube amp. > > This probably makes me somewhat of a looping oddity...I like the > > contrast between old school sounds & new school techniques. Thing is, > > that forces me to run the EDP in front of the amp. Some guitar/amp > > combos fare better than others, but it's certainly a compromise. > > Sometimes it's not even that -- it just sucks; lots of noise, > > decapitated high end, etc. > > > > So, I take it that the solution is an effects loop. But it's a pretty > > rare '62 Princeton that has an effects loop, and I'm not about to mod > > mine so extensively. > > > > If I understand these things correctly, adding a mixer won't be any > > advantage (although it'd let me use other instruments, but let's stick > > with guitar right now.) > > > > So...is the solution to get a different amp with an effects loop, or is > > there some other tactic I'm missing (which I'm hoping is the case)? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Zak Kramer > > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 16:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75C5D3BE87; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=04iIK3LVhuu45vnWVbXTukfpC1g34BuWN1PpurYIkc4=; b=f9k6WxlABWI/mAbcM3XC353bwgRwf8qozOrdLNQZp7sjnSLIvkx1iSV5Fvh1rOzgke rIckw9g91YltK4Bc2SHcw16DDik5PUxbrYwLj9TMc5S3PTgm435xsJ9WYyGztHWzuBWD oPA61rClBbhyDfUDVZlz1DAmsGglKvgZbrYng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fqWfFidB+cesuC2z3FQHui6ibCHK7QzlnFEVaURECY5Ypzf3lrKKPnwBBcrOUB3xPQ GKUB03IScx/wxPnYaJ/JupqjWD7SA3lcV4Bu5iOwnnvau7L/UVnlJ+xPEzCFmcdUSwEe 5jkuACMMqChyEYAJdy1ae7PvmhXP9D38CY/zA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:42:06 -0400 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? In-Reply-To: <118D9045-B2F4-48FC-ABFC-EE65FD8C5110@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52642_10278916.1220632926109" References: <118D9045-B2F4-48FC-ABFC-EE65FD8C5110@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52642_10278916.1220632926109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A lot of stuff to chew on, including a number of strategies for combining amps w/an EDP I'd not even considered. The most intriguing was using a pedal to create a loop, like the Radial Tonebone. I think, however, that the most useful for the purposes of an EDP (unless you're using a lot of other effects) might be the Xotic X-Blender. That creates a blendable parallel loop with a bit of boost & EQ, which sounds ideal. However, I don't know (yet) how the EDP would react or interact set to 100% wet output, then using the X-blender as the mix knob. While I do adjust output volume via expression pedal, I rarely touch the mix knob. The Radial option seems tempting, as do some of the Barge Concepts ( http://www.bargeconcepts.com/) offerings. The VBjr is only $105...but I'm wondering how well these will work. The Radial seems to have a preamp in there to blend in a truly parallel loop, but I'm not clear if that's the case with the VBjr, so the best case scenario would be one wherein I could blend 50% wet & 50% dry, but never, say, 100% dry with a variable amount of wet (which, I think, it what the Xotic does.) Anyone have any experience with any of these guys? One comment I want to respond to: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Won't that sound like 2 guitars running through an old tube amp? That > never sounds good to me. Again, this is where a laptop setup excels. Set > correctly, your audience will never know the difference. > I almost put in my email specifically not to suggest a laptop setup, knowing full well I'd get such a suggestion. The truth is, I've considered it, and, at some point, it might be the right choice. Not currently, based on my goals. Yes, it will sound like 2 (or more) guitars running through a guitar amp. Somewhat, anyway. That's intentional. There were also several comments made about distorting the EDP's output signal. That's not an issue for me, either. When I run through a tweed Deluxe (for example) I use the touch sensivity of the amp not only to effect the dry signal, but the wet signal, as well, so that the loopage can be varied from clean to overdriven, just like the dry signal. Being able to adjust the gain characteristics of my guitar using only the volume knob is one of the big attractions for me in using a good amp; being able to do so independantly and in a parallel fashion with the loopage is one of the main attractions of looping through same for me. Just different aesthetic, ends, really. -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_52642_10278916.1220632926109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
A lot of stuff to chew on, including a number of strategies for combining amps w/an EDP I'd not even considered.

The most intriguing was using a pedal to create a loop, like the Radial Tonebone. I think, however, that the most useful for the purposes of an EDP (unless you're using a lot of other effects) might be the Xotic X-Blender. That creates a blendable parallel loop with a bit of boost & EQ, which sounds ideal. However, I don't know (yet) how the EDP would react or interact set to 100% wet output, then using the X-blender as the mix knob. While I do adjust output volume via expression pedal, I rarely touch the mix knob. 

The Radial option seems tempting, as do some of the Barge Concepts (http://www.bargeconcepts.com/) offerings. The VBjr is only $105...but I'm wondering how well these will work. The Radial seems to have a preamp in there to blend in a truly parallel loop, but I'm not clear if that's the case with the VBjr, so the best case scenario would be one wherein I could blend 50% wet & 50% dry, but never, say, 100% dry with a variable amount of wet (which, I think, it what the Xotic does.)

Anyone have any experience with any of these guys?

One comment I want to respond to:

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Won't that sound like 2 guitars running through an old tube amp? That never sounds good to me. Again, this is where a laptop setup excels. Set correctly, your audience will never know the difference. 

I almost put in my email specifically not to suggest a laptop setup, knowing full well I'd get such a suggestion. The truth is, I've considered it, and, at some point, it might be the right choice. Not currently, based on my goals.

Yes, it will sound like 2 (or more) guitars running through a guitar amp. Somewhat, anyway. That's intentional. There were also several comments made about distorting the EDP's output signal. That's not an issue for me, either. When I run through a tweed Deluxe (for example) I use the touch sensivity of the amp not only to effect the dry signal, but the wet signal, as well, so that the loopage can be varied from clean to overdriven, just like the dry signal. Being able to adjust the gain characteristics of my guitar using only the volume knob is one of the big attractions for me in using a good amp; being able to do so independantly and in a parallel fashion with the loopage is one of the main attractions of looping through same for me.

Just different aesthetic, ends, really.

--
Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/
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I believe in part it=92s because the state is broke and everyone is fighting for the crumbs.=A0 = Arial=A0 = --Apple-Mail-2--339299631-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 16:56:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2173BE99; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C90F78.517622D0" Subject: RE: OT reducing your carbon footprint Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:56:23 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD082309AB01F5@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <28788F96-DB88-4576-8809-8C92CA446724@earthlink.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT reducing your carbon footprint Thread-Index: AckPeFPRC/H+BxsGSH+Aujy9asPRXw== References: <28788F96-DB88-4576-8809-8C92CA446724@earthlink.net> From: "Dean, Hal " To: "sheila olson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2008 16:56:19.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[5167F770:01C90F78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:56:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C90F78.517622D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given the "quality" of this post, maybe it would be best to just take al the recent, however interesting, political discussions not just OT but off LD. =20 Hal Dean =20 From: sheila olson [mailto:onelonecrow@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon footprint =20 =20 Hi all, =20 If you think your state or local governments are broke, please check this site out. =20 =20 http://cafr1.com/ =20 Best to all. =20 joe =20 =20 On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:52 AM, William Walker wrote: Dear list, I know this is off topic but I feel it's relevant. =20 California has had a several week impasse over creating a new budget, Why? I believe in part it's because the state is broke and everyone is fighting for the crumbs.=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C90F78.517622D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Given the “quality” of this post, maybe it = would be best to just take al the recent, however interesting, political discussions not just = OT but off LD.

 

Hal Dean

 

From:= sheila = olson [mailto:onelonecrow@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:02 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT reducing your carbon = footprint

 

 

Hi all,

 

If you think your state or local governments are = broke, please check this site out.

 

 

 

Best to all.

 

         =  joe

 

 

On Sep 3, 2008, at 12:52 AM, William Walker = wrote:

Dear list,

 I know this is off topic but I feel it’s = relevant.

 

 California has had a several week impasse over = creating a new budget, Why? I believe in part it’s because the state is = broke and everyone is fighting for the crumbs. 

 

 

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Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:33:56 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #596 for September 4, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48C17B94.7020202@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:46:56 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080904.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #596 September 4, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Keller and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from Concerts on Manikin Records. Keller and Schonwalder: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Amin Bhatia Hostility The Interstellar Suite (none) Amin Bhatia Switch On Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia Into the '60s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '70s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '80s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '90s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The New Millennium Virtuality (none) Mark Mahoney and Entering a Starfest 2007 (none) Mike Peck Forgotten Atmosphere Schulze and Gerrard Liquid Coincidence 2 Farscape (Synthetic Symphony) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Keller & Schonwalder Knust Part Two Concerts disk 1 (Manikin) Keller & Schonwalder Knust Part Three Concerts disk 1 (Manikin) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Keller and Schonwalder. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from Concerts on Manikin Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 19:35:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD643BE87; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--329520098 From: Andreas Willers Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:35:32 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8168/Fri Sep 5 20:38:03 2008 on mail-in-08.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <1kwd5B.A.-qH.IoYwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:35:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--329520098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Zak, I'm like you - I also use vintage tube amps without effect loops (Hiwatt, Gibson, Fender) together with a couple of stompboxes and an EDP - it works great for me! I make sure that I put one (not more than two) buffered stompboxes with more or less clean buffers (like analog Boss pedals or TC stuff, not Nobels, Danelectro e.g.) before the EDP in the chain to convert my guitar output into low impedance, the other pedals are true bypass. I also had the input section of my EDP customized by a well known guitar tech here in Germany called Dirk Baldringer who makes a system called the "effects legalizer" that all the big time rock/studio guys put into their "fridges" over here. I don't know how he does it but he certainly cleaned up the EDP's signal, also setting of levels is much less critical than before. Two other workarounds I can fully recommend for just above 100 bucks: - the Barge Concepts pedalboard loopboxes with BLEND function (wet/ dry mix for the effect you put into the loop). I use their VB-jr. for my Boss reverbs and delays that tend to add digital noise or phase alterations to the dry signal. Works great with compressors and other stuff, too! Uses high quality components and was made specifically for this purpose, very low noise floor. - the Lehle P-Split splits your passive, low impedance guitar signal using a top quality transformer. Has a ground lift and a phase switch. That way you can send one signal to one amp and the other via the EDP to another amp (or a second channel of e.g. a Hiwatt, a Fender Vibrolux etc.etc.) Of course a digial setup has a lot of interesting applications but it will NEVER, EVER be able to substitute for a well maintained tube guitar amp. A rented Fender Twin with chinese tubes is another story, but still better in most cases. In fact, at the 2008 Berlin Loopfest Leander asked everybody to use the PA for my set and I took the plunge and plugged a couple of stompboxes followed by the EDP into the house via a G-Tronix Stimulator DI-box w. speaker simulation (similar to the more popular Palmer devices, but smaller). I did work fine more or less and reduced schlepping quite a bit! Regards, Andreas --Apple-Mail-1--329520098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Zak,

I'm = like you - I also use vintage tube amps without effect loops (Hiwatt, = Gibson, Fender) together with a couple of stompboxes and an EDP - it = works great for me! I make sure that I put one (not more than two) = buffered stompboxes with more or less clean buffers (like analog Boss = pedals or TC stuff, not Nobels, Danelectro e.g.) before the EDP in the = chain to convert my guitar output into low impedance, the other pedals = are true bypass. I also had the input section of my EDP customized by a = well known guitar tech here in Germany called Dirk Baldringer who = makes a system called the "effects legalizer" that all the big time = rock/studio guys put into their "fridges" over here. I don't know how he = does it but he certainly cleaned up the EDP's signal, also setting of = levels is much less critical than before.

Two = other workarounds I can fully recommend for just above 100 = bucks:

- the Barge Concepts=A0pedalboard = loopboxes with BLEND function (wet/dry mix for the effect you put into = the loop). I use their VB-jr. for my Boss reverbs and delays that tend = to add digital noise or phase alterations to the dry signal. Works great = with compressors and other stuff, too! Uses high quality components and = was made specifically for this purpose, very low noise = floor.

- the Lehle P-Split=A0splits your = passive, low impedance guitar signal using a top = quality transformer. Has a ground lift and a phase switch. That way you = can send one signal to one amp and the other via the EDP to another amp = (or a second channel of e.g. a Hiwatt, a Fender Vibrolux = etc.etc.)

Of course a digial setup has a lot of = interesting applications but it will NEVER, EVER be able to substitute = for a well maintained tube guitar amp. A rented Fender Twin with chinese = tubes is another story, but still better in most = cases.

In fact, at the 2008 Berlin Loopfest = Leander asked everybody to use the PA for my set and I took the plunge = and plugged a couple of stompboxes followed by the EDP into the house = via a G-Tronix Stimulator DI-box w. speaker simulation (similar to the = more popular Palmer devices, but smaller). I did work fine more or less = and reduced schlepping quite a bit!

Regards, = Andreas
= --Apple-Mail-1--329520098-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 5 23:26:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BC583BE81; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48C1C004.8030105@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:25:56 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 5 Knaves - Chinapainting set up for grabbin' References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Continuing with the documentation of the 5 Knaves loopish event last month, here is a wonderfully compleat page set up by the good Randy Winchester, booker of events at the Nave, with the Chinapainting set from the evening available in every possible format. The other sets are coming soon, we're told, and I'll pass those on as they appear. http://www.archive.org/details/FiveKnavesAtTheNave-Chinapainting http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/30831 Enjoy, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 01:42:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076E63BE82; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_711d7a0e-0c19-4934-80d0-a275324b556e_" X-Originating-IP: [72.161.58.6] From: J Johans To: Subject: FCB-1010 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:42:06 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2008 01:42:07.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[C561DE40:01C90FC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:42:08 +0000 (UTC) --_711d7a0e-0c19-4934-80d0-a275324b556e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable another quick qustion to anyone who has time -=20 just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and cant seem to find a= function i need =20 even though this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar player us= ing the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit=20 personally=2C i would want to program a button to turn the delay on/off ...= .reverb on/off....distortion on/off=2C and seemingly the kicker is the fact= that i would want the LED for the button to stay on if the respective effe= ct was on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then hit the = button to turn on distortion...and when i look down the LEDs for both my de= lay and distortion buttons are on =20 i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another button th= e led for the previous one goes off and there is seemingly no user config o= ption for latch=2C momentary=2C toggle etc. =20 any ideas or confirmations? =20 ty=20 fro > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 = (removing expression pedals)?> Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400> To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > To take that idea a step further=2C = would it be possible to create FCB > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each)= or whatever=2C with options for > adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modul= ar system. Sometimes I need > all ten with expression pedals=2C sometimes I= can get away with 4 > pedals. That would be very cool.> On Aug 31=2C 2008= =2C at 6:26 PM=2C info at zoekeating wrote:> > > bob charest=2C who i found= on the FCB list=2C is doing this for me > > right now!!! he's a profession= al musician in maine and has many > > talents...he posted photos of his ped= al-removal job up the FCB > > group list and i was very impressed.> >> > an= yway=2C he agreed to do it=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to > > modi= fy. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a > > little = box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a > > midi cable)= . there are other ways you could do the power thing=2C i > > decided that w= as the best option for me.> >> > i talked to him yesterday and he was just = painting the finished > > product with a black flake finish (!!).> >> > i s= hould get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > > secret or= not=2C but he says he is into the idea of this being a > > little sideline= .> >> > i'm very exited!> >> >> >> > On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buz= ap Buzap wrote:> >> >> Hi folks> >>> >> it would be kind of neat to have th= e Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > >> compact option _without_ expression ped= als. And only take > >> additional pedals if you need them.> >>> >> Looking= inside the FCB1010:> >> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_023= 0.jpg> >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where= > >> the pedals begin=2C cut off the pedals=2C externalize the power suppl= y.> >>> >> What do you think?> >>> >> Buzap> >> -- > >> GMX Kostenlose Spie= le: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit > >> Pastry Passion!> >> ht= tp://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ > >> puzzle/6= 169196> >>> >>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows= Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/= --_711d7a0e-0c19-4934-80d0-a275324b556e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable another quick qustion to anyone who has time -
just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and cant seem to find a= function i need
 =3B
even though this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar player us= ing the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit
personally=2C i would want to program a button to turn the delay on/off ...= .reverb on/off....distortion on/off=2C and seemingly the kicker is the fact= that i =3Bwould want the LED for the button to stay on if the respecti= ve effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then h= it the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down the LEDs for bot= h my delay and distortion buttons are on
 =3B
i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another button th= e led for the previous one goes off and there is seemingly no user config o= ption for latch=2C momentary=2C toggle etc.
 =3B
any ideas or confirmations?
 =3B
ty
fro

>=3B From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net
>=3B Subject: Re: Cuttin= g up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?
>=3B Date: Mon=2C 1 Se= p 2008 20:01:50 -0400
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
= >=3B
>=3B To take that idea a step further=2C would it be possible = to create FCB
>=3B modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever= =2C with options for
>=3B adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular = system. Sometimes I need
>=3B all ten with expression pedals=2C somet= imes I can get away with 4
>=3B pedals. That would be very cool.
&= gt=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 6:26 PM=2C info at zoekeating wrote:
>= =3B
>=3B >=3B bob charest=2C who i found on the FCB list=2C is doin= g this for me
>=3B >=3B right now!!! he's a professional musician i= n maine and has many
>=3B >=3B talents...he posted photos of his pe= dal-removal job up the FCB
>=3B >=3B group list and i was very impr= essed.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B anyway=2C he agreed to do it=2C an= d i shipped him a pedal for him to
>=3B >=3B modify. the pedals are= coming off and the power supply will go in a
>=3B >=3B little box = that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a
>=3B >=3B m= idi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing=2C i
>= =3B >=3B decided that was the best option for me.
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished =
>=3B >=3B product with a black flake finish (!!).
>=3B >=3B<= BR>>=3B >=3B i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to kee= p it a
>=3B >=3B secret or not=2C but he says he is into the idea o= f this being a
>=3B >=3B little sideline.
>=3B >=3B
>= =3B >=3B i'm very exited!
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:<= BR>>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Hi folks
>=3B >=3B>=3B
= >=3B >=3B>=3B it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010= as a more
>=3B >=3B>=3B compact option _without_ expression peda= ls. And only take
>=3B >=3B>=3B additional pedals if you need the= m.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Looking inside the FCB1010= :
>=3B >=3B>=3B http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_023= 0.jpg
>=3B >=3B>=3B It could be actually possible: Cut the metal c= ase off right where
>=3B >=3B>=3B the pedals begin=2C cut off the= pedals=2C externalize the power supply.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B &= gt=3B>=3B What do you think?
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>= =3B Buzap
>=3B >=3B>=3B --
>=3B >=3B>=3B GMX Kostenlose = Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit
>=3B >=3B>=3B= Pastry Passion!
>=3B >=3B>=3B http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/= de/entertainment/games/free/
>=3B >=3B>=3B puzzle/6169196
>= =3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B


Stay up to = date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now = --_711d7a0e-0c19-4934-80d0-a275324b556e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 03:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4D23BE87; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rPivnWn4AAAA:8 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=Js1mXq2uPRbIVXmvC3UA:9 a=qzLoivFWMi0Pj-dzFjgA:7 a=EV_x_OJF7hRV8WePG3RN2GE_0n8A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=wCaoJTriV0sA:10 a=hG1ilDDYAAAA:8 a=AakR0t2LPVQoC-JOPS4A:9 a=myZzj-c8CCbkaFVa2MsA:7 a=nsbqflkAe9tnu6boT6LGfhjPiWsA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--300838145 Message-Id: <4C26478F-F08F-4A20-823F-BD5691097BE6@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: FCB-1010 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:33:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:33:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--300838145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed yeah, the LEDs on the FBC reflect what button you last pressed. as far as i'm aware only one LED is on at a time. however, that has nothing to do with what is going on in your device. =20= if you turned on your reverb it would still be on until you press the =20= FCB to turn it off. i'm assuming your device accepts program changes, =20= in which cases the buttons would toggle your functions on and off. On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:42 PM, J Johans wrote: > another quick qustion to anyone who has time - > just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and cant seem =20 > to find a function i need > > even though this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar =20 > player using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit > personally, i would want to program a button to turn the delay on/=20 > off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off, and seemingly the =20 > kicker is the fact that i would want the LED for the button to stay =20= > on if the respective effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the =20 > button to turn on verb...then hit the button to turn on =20 > distortion...and when i look down the LEDs for both my delay and =20 > distortion buttons are on > > i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another =20 > button the led for the previous one goes off and there is seemingly =20= > no user config option for latch, momentary, toggle etc. > > any ideas or confirmations? > > ty > fro > > > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net > > Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)? > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > To take that idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB > > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with options for > > adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular system. Sometimes I need > > all ten with expression pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 > > pedals. That would be very cool. > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > > > > > bob charest, who i found on the FCB list, is doing this for me > > > right now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many > > > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB > > > group list and i was very impressed. > > > > > > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him a pedal for him to > > > modify. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go =20 > in a > > > little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a > > > midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing, i > > > decided that was the best option for me. > > > > > > i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished > > > product with a black flake finish (!!). > > > > > > i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > > > secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being a > > > little sideline. > > > > > > i'm very exited! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > > > >> Hi folks > > >> > > >> it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > > >> compact option _without_ expression pedals. And only take > > >> additional pedals if you need them. > > >> > > >> Looking inside the FCB1010: > > >> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg > > >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where > > >> the pedals begin, cut off the pedals, externalize the power =20 > supply. > > >> > > >> What do you think? > > >> > > >> Buzap > > >> -- > > >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben = mit > > >> Pastry Passion! > > >> http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ > > >> puzzle/6169196 > > >> > > > > > > > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with =20 > Windows Live. See Now --Apple-Mail-13--300838145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yeah, the LEDs on the FBC reflect what button you last pressed.=A0
as = far as i'm aware only one LED is on at a time.
however, that = has nothing to do with what is going on in your device. if you turned on = your reverb it would still be on until you press the FCB to turn it off. = i'm assuming your device accepts program changes, in which cases the = buttons would toggle your functions on and = off.

On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:42 PM, J Johans = wrote:

another quick qustion to anyone = who has time -=A0
just = got mine in the mail...read through the manual and cant seem to find a = function i need
=A0
even though this is not my = application...imagine you are a guitar player using the FCB to control a = POD x3 style unit=A0
personally, i would want = to program a button to turn the delay on/off ....reverb = on/off....distortion on/off, and seemingly the kicker is the fact that = i=A0would want the LED for the button to stay on if the respective = effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then = hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down the LEDs for = both my delay and distortion buttons are on
=A0
i cannot seem to = make it work like this....whenever i hit another button the led for the = previous one goes off and there is seemingly no user config option for = latch, momentary, toggle etc.
=A0
any ideas or = confirmations?
=A0
ty=A0
fro

> From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /a>
> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression = pedals)?
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
>=A0
= > To take that idea a step further, would it be possible to create = FCB=A0
> modules of 4 or = 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with options for=A0
> adding pedals as needed. = Sort of a modular system. Sometimes I need=A0
> all ten with expression = pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4=A0
> pedals. That would be = very cool.
> On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at zoekeating = wrote:
>=A0
> > bob = charest, who i found on the FCB list, is doing this for me=A0
> > right now!!! he's a = professional musician in maine and has many=A0
> > talents...he posted = photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB=A0
> > group list and i was = very impressed.
> >
> > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped = him a pedal for him to=A0
= > > modify. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in = a=A0
> > little box that = i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a=A0
> > midi cable). there are = other ways you could do the power thing, i=A0
> > decided that was the = best option for me.
> >
> > i talked to him yesterday and he was = just painting the finished=A0
> > product with a black = flake finish (!!).
> >
> > i should get it this week. i asked him = if he wanted to keep it a=A0
> > secret or not, but he = says he is into the idea of this being a=A0
> > little sideline.
> = >
> > i'm very exited!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2008, = at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks
> >>
> >> = it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more=A0
> >> compact option = _without_ expression pedals. And only take=A0
> >> additional pedals if = you need them.
> >>
> >> Looking inside the FCB1010:
> >> http://ww= w.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg
> >> It could be = actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where=A0
> >> the pedals begin, cut = off the pedals, externalize the power supply.
> >>
> >> What do = you think?
> >>
> >> Buzap
> >> --=A0
> >> GMX Kostenlose = Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit=A0
> >> Pastry Passion!
> = >> h= ttp://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/=A0
> >> puzzle/6169196
> = >>
> >
>=A0


Stay up to = date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.=A0See = Now

= --Apple-Mail-13--300838145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 03:54:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96693BE82; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1f83bcbd-56fc-4c0f-a328-970c7583e32c_" X-Originating-IP: [72.161.58.6] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: FCB-1010 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:54:48 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4C26478F-F08F-4A20-823F-BD5691097BE6@zoekeating.com> References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> <4C26478F-F08F-4A20-823F-BD5691097BE6@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2008 03:54:47.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E69A6C0:01C90FD4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:54:49 +0000 (UTC) --_1f83bcbd-56fc-4c0f-a328-970c7583e32c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thankyou for that - u just saved me from an entire night of pulling my hair= out- instead i get to go kayak in the dark and figure out a way around it ty =20 =20 =20 From: info@zoekeating.comSubject: Re: FCB-1010Date: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 20:33= :33 -0700To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comyeah=2C the LEDs on the FBC= reflect what button you last pressed. =20 as far as i'm aware only one LED is on at a time. however=2C that has nothing to do with what is going on in your device. if = you turned on your reverb it would still be on until you press the FCB to t= urn it off. i'm assuming your device accepts program changes=2C in which ca= ses the buttons would toggle your functions on and off. On Sep 5=2C 2008=2C at 6:42 PM=2C J Johans wrote: another quick qustion to anyone who has time - just got mine in the mail...= read through the manual and cant seem to find a function i need even though= this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar player using the FCB= to control a POD x3 style unit personally=2C i would want to program a but= ton to turn the delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off=2C and = seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the LED for the button t= o stay on if the respective effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the button= to turn on verb...then hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i l= ook down the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on i cannot = seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another button the led for= the previous one goes off and there is seemingly no user config option for= latch=2C momentary=2C toggle etc. any ideas or confirmations? ty fro> From= : midifriedchicken@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (remov= ing expression pedals)?> Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400> To: Looper= s-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > To take that idea a step further=2C would = it be possible to create FCB > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or wh= atever=2C with options for > adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular sys= tem. Sometimes I need > all ten with expression pedals=2C sometimes I can g= et away with 4 > pedals. That would be very cool.> On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at = 6:26 PM=2C info at zoekeating wrote:> > > bob charest=2C who i found on the= FCB list=2C is doing this for me > > right now!!! he's a professional musi= cian in maine and has many > > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-remo= val job up the FCB > > group list and i was very impressed.> >> > anyway=2C= he agreed to do it=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to > > modify. the= pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a > > little box tha= t i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a > > midi cable). there= are other ways you could do the power thing=2C i > > decided that was the = best option for me.> >> > i talked to him yesterday and he was just paintin= g the finished > > product with a black flake finish (!!).> >> > i should g= et it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > > secret or not=2C= but he says he is into the idea of this being a > > little sideline.> >> >= i'm very exited!> >> >> >> > On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buza= p wrote:> >> >> Hi folks> >>> >> it would be kind of neat to have the Behri= nger FCB-1010 as a more > >> compact option _without_ expression pedals. An= d only take > >> additional pedals if you need them.> >>> >> Looking inside= the FCB1010:> >> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg> = >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where > >> t= he pedals begin=2C cut off the pedals=2C externalize the power supply.> >>>= >> What do you think?> >>> >> Buzap> >> -- > >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Ein= fach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit > >> Pastry Passion!> >> http://ga= mes.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ > >> puzzle/6169196>= >>> >>=20 Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows= Live. See Now _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows= Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/= --_1f83bcbd-56fc-4c0f-a328-970c7583e32c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thankyou for that - u just saved me from an entire night of pulling my = =3Bhair out-
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From: info@zoekeating.com
Subject: Re: FCB-1010
Date: Fri=2C 5 Sep 20= 08 20:33:33 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

yeah=2C= the LEDs on the FBC reflect what button you last pressed. =3B
as far as i'm aware only one LED is on at a time.
however=2C that has nothing to do with what is going on in your device= . if you turned on your reverb it would still be on until you press the FCB= to turn it off. i'm assuming your device accepts program changes=2C in whi= ch cases the buttons would toggle your functions on and off.

On Sep 5=2C 2008=2C at 6:42 PM=2C J Johans wrote:

another quick qustion to anyone who has time - =3B
just got mine in the mail...= read through the manual and cant seem to find a function i need
 =3B=
even though this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar playe= r using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit =3B
personally=2C i would want to program a button= to turn the delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off=2C and see= mingly the kicker is the fact that i =3Bwould want the LED for the butt= on to stay on if the respective effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the bu= tton to turn on verb...then hit the button to turn on distortion...and when= i look down the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on
&n= bsp=3B
i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another= button the led for the previous one goes off and there is seemingly no use= r config option for latch=2C momentary=2C toggle etc.
 =3B
any id= eas or confirmations?
 =3B
ty =3B
fro

>=3B From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net
>=3B Subject: Re: = Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?
>=3B Date: Mon= =2C 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400
>=3B To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B =3B
>=3B To take that= idea a step further=2C would it be possible to create FCB =3B
>=3B modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2= rows each) or whatever=2C with options for =3B
>=3B adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular= system. Sometimes I need =3B
>=3B all ten with expression pedals=2C sometimes I can get away w= ith 4 =3B
>=3B pedal= s. That would be very cool.
>=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 6:26 PM=2C in= fo at zoekeating wrote:
>=3B&nb= sp=3B
>=3B >=3B bob charest=2C who i found on the FCB list=2C= is doing this for me =3B=
>=3B >=3B right now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and ha= s many =3B
>=3B >= =3B talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB =3B
>=3B >=3B group list a= nd i was very impressed.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B anyway=2C he agr= eed to do it=2C and i shipped him a pedal for him to =3B
>=3B >=3B modify. the pedals are com= ing off and the power supply will go in a =3B
>=3B >=3B little box that i'll mount in my rig = (which will send power down a = =3B
>=3B >=3B midi cable). there are other ways you could do = the power thing=2C i =3B<= BR>>=3B >=3B decided that was the best option for me.
>=3B >=3B<= BR>>=3B >=3B i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the fin= ished =3B
>=3B >= =3B product with a black flake finish (!!).
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a =3B
>=3B >=3B secret or = not=2C but he says he is into the idea of this being a =3B
>=3B >=3B little sideline.
>= =3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B i'm very exited!
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 2:57 PM=2C Bu= zap Buzap wrote:
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Hi folks
>=3B= >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B it would be kind of neat to have the B= ehringer FCB-1010 as a more =3B<= /SPAN>
>=3B >=3B>=3B compact option _without_ expression pedals. A= nd only take =3B
>= =3B >=3B>=3B additional pedals if you need them.
>=3B >=3B>=3B=
>=3B >=3B>=3B Looking inside the FCB1010:
>=3B >=3B>=3B = http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg
&g= t=3B >=3B>=3B It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off rig= ht where =3B
>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B the pedals begin=2C cut off the pedals=2C externalize the power = supply.
>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B What do you think?>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Buzap
>=3B >=3B>=3B --=  =3B
>=3B >=3B>= =3B GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit =3B
>=3B >=3B>=3B Pa= stry Passion!
>=3B >=3B>=3B http://games.entertai= nment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ =3B
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Stay up to date o= n your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now = --_1f83bcbd-56fc-4c0f-a328-970c7583e32c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 04:04:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E62F3BE84; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YDAOnec-ST2tTAPk_ugA:9 a=QZmvnAmz8s5h3c8NwLYMi37SdzgA:4 a=5bulLhXJ3gkA:10 a=IzPacxTpGovfrub9az4A:9 a=h8ciPt7sl6jrPOm1qSvbNZ4yR9wA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> <4C26478F-F08F-4A20-823F-BD5691097BE6@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--298999812 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: FCB-1010 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:04:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:04:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-14--298999812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed yay for that! i love kayaking in the dark! On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:54 PM, J Johans wrote: > kayak in the dark --Apple-Mail-14--298999812 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII yay for that! i love kayaking in the dark!

On Sep 5, 2008, at 8:54 PM, J Johans wrote:

kayak in the dark

--Apple-Mail-14--298999812-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 08:08:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EBEC3BE85; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48C23A71.2050202@gordius.be> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:08:17 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB-1010 References: <20080831215717.26400@gmx.net> <05B68B74-7F79-4863-A7AA-13540BC26D16@zoekeating.com> <589AD597-92DA-418B-9FD1-7EC2BFB7418F@comcast.net> <4C26478F-F08F-4A20-823F-BD5691097BE6@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:08:23 +0000 (UTC)
Hey,
you can achieve what you want by upgrading the firmware to the "UnO" version - more info on www.ossandust.be
Regards,
Xavier


J Johans wrote:
thankyou for that - u just saved me from an entire night of pulling my hair out-
instead i get to go kayak in the dark and figure out a way around it
ty
 
 
 

From: info@zoekeating.com
Subject: Re: FCB-1010
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:33:33 -0700
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

yeah, the LEDs on the FBC reflect what button you last pressed. 
as far as i'm aware only one LED is on at a time.
however, that has nothing to do with what is going on in your device. if you turned on your reverb it would still be on until you press the FCB to turn it off. i'm assuming your device accepts program changes, in which cases the buttons would toggle your functions on and off.

On Sep 5, 2008, at 6:42 PM, J Johans wrote:

another quick qustion to anyone who has time - 
just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and cant seem to find a function i need
 
even though this is not my application...imagine you are a guitar player using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit 
personally, i would want to program a button to turn the delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off, and seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the LED for the button to stay on if the respective effect was on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on
 
i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit another button the led for the previous one goes off and there is seemingly no user config option for latch, momentary, toggle etc.
 
any ideas or confirmations?
 
ty 
fro

> From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> 
> To take that idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB 
> modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with options for 
> adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular system. Sometimes I need 
> all ten with expression pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 
> pedals. That would be very cool.
> On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:
> 
> > bob charest, who i found on the FCB list, is doing this for me 
> > right now!!! he's a professional musician in maine and has many 
> > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up the FCB 
> > group list and i was very impressed.
> >
> > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him a pedal for him to 
> > modify. the pedals are coming off and the power supply will go in a 
> > little box that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a 
> > midi cable). there are other ways you could do the power thing, i 
> > decided that was the best option for me.
> >
> > i talked to him yesterday and he was just painting the finished 
> > product with a black flake finish (!!).
> >
> > i should get it this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a 
> > secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being a 
> > little sideline.
> >
> > i'm very exited!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks
> >>
> >> it would be kind of neat to have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more 
> >> compact option _without_ expression pedals. And only take 
> >> additional pedals if you need them.
> >>
> >> Looking inside the FCB1010:
> >> http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg
> >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case off right where 
> >> the pedals begin, cut off the pedals, externalize the power supply.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Buzap
> >> -- 
> >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit 
> >> Pastry Passion!
> >> http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ 
> >> puzzle/6169196
> >>
> >
> 


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Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB-1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <286974.3984.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5KygB.A.FLH.DflwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Get the UnO software set it up for toggle mode on the global configuration = and then go and SET EACH BUTTON TO TOGGLE individually,otherwise you will j= ust see the button led light acting as momentary(took me a while to find th= is out).Also keep in mind that you will only either have the top or bottom = row to toggle. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 9/5/08, J Johans wrote: > From: J Johans > Subject: FCB-1010 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:42 PM > another quick qustion to anyone who has time -=20 > just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and > cant seem to find a function i need > =20 > even though this is not my application...imagine you are a > guitar player using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit=20 > personally, i would want to program a button to turn the > delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off, and > seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the LED > for the button to stay on if the respective effect was > on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then > hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down > the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on > =20 > i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit > another button the led for the previous one goes off and > there is seemingly no user config option for latch, > momentary, toggle etc. > =20 > any ideas or confirmations? > =20 > ty=20 > fro > > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net> Subject: Re: > Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?> > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400> To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > To take that > idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB > > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with > options for > adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular > system. Sometimes I need > all ten with expression > pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 > pedals. That > would be very cool.> On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at > zoekeating wrote:> > > bob charest, who i found on > the FCB list, is doing this for me > > right now!!! > he's a professional musician in maine and has many > > > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up > the FCB > > group list and i was very impressed.> > >> > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him > a pedal for him to > > modify. the pedals are coming > off and the power supply will go in a > > little box > that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a > > > midi cable). there are other ways you could do the > power thing, i > > decided that was the best option > for me.> >> > i talked to him yesterday and he > was just painting the finished > > product with a > black flake finish (!!).> >> > i should get it > this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > > > secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being > a > > little sideline.> >> > i'm very > exited!> >> >> >> > On Aug 31, 2008, > at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:> >> >> Hi > folks> >>> >> it would be kind of neat to > have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > >> compact > option _without_ expression pedals. And only take > > >> additional pedals if you need them.> > >>> >> Looking inside the FCB1010:> > >> > http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg> > >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case > off right where > >> the pedals begin, cut off the > pedals, externalize the power supply.> >>> > >> What do you think?> >>> >> > Buzap> >> -- > >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: > Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit > >> > Pastry Passion!> >> > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ > > >> puzzle/6169196> >>> >>=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone > with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/=0A=0A=0A = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 10:28:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EDD3BE8C; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dZXT1nHGGN4ruzWtfPnOeV5wP4YC6jD3kdgHYb2Lj8wOgN8qJTQGZbG2ahTZUgb05+8GyavsSzgICjlQObaASGxZNDI45FitcP8S4uSnoCLB75rY/xHSUjSGPwjC1uiQcQ+zgjyoJpE3HKI0NSqv2KqlF9parJVhcbdXcJ855fM=; X-YMail-OSG: _4hDtIUVM1knhkJokrdatQ.yfcG2NLZZKs.UbnBt70g9eLwNkZgG1S2kAqCKLDCAag-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <427480.15567.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:28:57 +0000 (UTC) I am also very curious about this ones,ther is only one of each but they seem to sound better than a lot of the multi fx amp simulators http://www.tech21nyc.com/character_series.html put one on your pedal board and it would certainly help the schleppen factor cheers www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Andreas Willers wrote: > From: Andreas Willers > Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 12:35 PM > Hi Zak, > > I'm like you - I also use vintage tube amps without > effect loops > (Hiwatt, Gibson, Fender) together with a couple of > stompboxes and an > EDP - it works great for me! I make sure that I put one > (not more > than two) buffered stompboxes with more or less clean > buffers (like > analog Boss pedals or TC stuff, not Nobels, Danelectro > e.g.) before > the EDP in the chain to convert my guitar output into low > impedance, > the other pedals are true bypass. I also had the input > section of my > EDP customized by a well known guitar tech here in Germany > called > Dirk Baldringer who makes a system called the "effects > legalizer" > that all the big time rock/studio guys put into their > "fridges" over > here. I don't know how he does it but he certainly > cleaned up the > EDP's signal, also setting of levels is much less > critical than before. > > Two other workarounds I can fully recommend for just above > 100 bucks: > > - the Barge Concepts pedalboard loopboxes with BLEND > function (wet/ > dry mix for the effect you put into the loop). I use their > VB-jr. for > my Boss reverbs and delays that tend to add digital noise > or phase > alterations to the dry signal. Works great with compressors > and other > stuff, too! Uses high quality components and was made > specifically > for this purpose, very low noise floor. > > - the Lehle P-Split splits your passive, low impedance > guitar signal > using a top quality transformer. Has a ground lift and a > phase > switch. That way you can send one signal to one amp and the > other via > the EDP to another amp (or a second channel of e.g. a > Hiwatt, a > Fender Vibrolux etc.etc.) > > Of course a digial setup has a lot of interesting > applications but it > will NEVER, EVER be able to substitute for a well > maintained tube > guitar amp. A rented Fender Twin with chinese tubes is > another story, > but still better in most cases. > > In fact, at the 2008 Berlin Loopfest Leander asked > everybody to use > the PA for my set and I took the plunge and plugged a > couple of > stompboxes followed by the EDP into the house via a > G-Tronix > Stimulator DI-box w. speaker simulation (similar to the > more popular > Palmer devices, but smaller). I did work fine more or less > and > reduced schlepping quite a bit! > > Regards, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 10:37:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C397F3BE85; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT NINE INCH NAILS in Concert tonight in Oakland: ASTONISHING LIGHT SHOW Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:37:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <6E_tw.A.5f.D2lwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:37:55 +0000 (UTC) I know this is a bit off-topic, but I just saw a truly amazing show tonight: Nine Inch Nails at the Oakland Coliseum. I have to say that this show had the best, most modern, glitchy and inpiring light shows I've ever witnessed. I'm actually more turned on by the Lighting Director as I am by the crack band that Trent Reznor had assembled on this, the 2nd to last show of his long current tour. The guy did the whole show with thousands and thousands of small LED lights. The design was just brilliant and frequently it was interactive with the band. There was a huge LED array behind the band and then there was a secondary LED array on a huge see through curtain that went all the way across the stage so that you could see the band THROUGH the light show. In one segment, the drummer came out and , by touching, large white squares on a gigantic see-through curtain, the lights turned red and he programmed a drum maching in real time for the piece that was playing. I wish I could describe more of it, but I felt like I was watching the future of large scale concert presentation (especially, visually). .....and Reznor (who was in fine voice) didn't even introduce the L.D. at the end of the night in his introductions. Shame on him (unless the guy didn't want to be introduced) The guy is a genius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 13:47:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C599D3BE88; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:45:29 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for September 6, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48C28979.8000707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:47:16 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080906.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #136 September 6, 2008. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early isses came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com I played the music of Mahoney and Peck who will appear at the Gatherings in Philadelphia on September 20. See http://thegatherings.org for details. I also played music by Riverside (Poland) and Pinnacle (Lehigh Valley) who will be in concert on September 12 at the Crossroads Theater in New Brunswick, NJ. See http://njproghouse.com for details. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [T.U.U.] Onr Thousand Years Sequences No. 3 VA [Pascal Langurand]Gala Day Sequences No. 3 VA [Andrew Pinches] Scuba In the Sequences No. 3 Sunlight Amin Bhatia Switch On Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia Into the '60s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '70s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '80s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The '90s Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia The New Millennium Virtuality (none) Amin Bhatia Overture The Interstellar Suite (none) Amin Bhatia The Ship The Interstellar Suite (none) Amin Bhatia Launch The Interstellar Suite (none) Mark Mahoney and Flight of the The Gallery of Subtle Smiles Michael Peck Nexxus Swan (none) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Riverside Second Life Second Life Syndrome Syndrome (InsideOut) Pinnacle The Life In A Year Meld (Everything To Excess) Snarling Adjective Necklace of Forever Bluewold Bloodwalk (Unicorn) Convention EST Soldat Direction (Unicorn) EST Soldat (Finale) Direction (Unicorn) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 15:13:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBDBF3BE8C; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <50278E97-014D-4F0E-A0D1-466467808E87@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: OT NINE INCH NAILS in Concert tonight in Oakland: ASTONISHING LIGHT SHOW X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:12:51 -0400 References: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:13:10 +0000 (UTC) knowing Trent, (I sang backups for him on one show in 1999 on MTV music awards... 6 days rehearsal for one song) he probably IS the lighting director. He is the most technically hands on artist I have ever encountered. Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > I know this is a bit off-topic, but > I just saw a truly amazing show tonight: > > Nine Inch Nails at the Oakland Coliseum. > > I have to say that this show had the best, most modern, > glitchy and inpiring light shows I've ever witnessed. > > I'm actually more turned on by the Lighting Director as I am > by the crack band that Trent Reznor had assembled on this, > the 2nd to last show of his long current tour. > > > The guy did the whole show with thousands and thousands of > small LED lights. The design was just brilliant and frequently > it was interactive with the band. > > There was a huge LED array behind the band and then there was > a secondary LED array on a huge see through curtain that went > all the way across the stage so that you could see the band > THROUGH the light show. > > In one segment, the drummer came out and , by touching, > large white squares on a gigantic see-through curtain, the lights > turned > red and he programmed a drum maching in real time for the piece that > was playing. > > I wish I could describe more of it, but I felt like I was watching > the future > of large scale concert presentation (especially, visually). > > .....and Reznor (who was in fine voice) didn't even introduce the > L.D. at the end of the > night in his introductions. Shame on him (unless the guy didn't > want to be introduced) > > The guy is a genius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 15:27:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C99C33BE97; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3tId16q9mHpb9U4NtDh17TSfyMf3EZ17F5gXwOx1c/k=; b=gEu6bcNtB/vWYfUPyfM8uR8k9vcolRZPh+lu4qcSqx17dPfttribOSAUpg1c4qJ2JG cg20UMOOY+x7oEjo4QwkuYjcvadN9CzQGL4Dh3ZzVBdf2++urKDi+O3S67rlfq37yYgh x35G7NWVkLrpcLUFN9V5CcV5P/AR2sx8dN2JQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Tdb7FiY2aCyhSgy8aj1xl9hYOjCpF+V0voc7E+QVbErV3eE4z89/Lcl/s2hyPiy/N/ ijq4WhxtuO1aRjpv1/W02IT+2uEwDAT54RTXYe5PY/gpY4PZHQQnumliH3Tkdu65A1c7 IBLI7smJ8IzKuBb3WQStzTQnZ4/rTXHW1ENe0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:27:24 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best way to use EDP & tube amp w/out an effects loop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53975_29990519.1220714845019" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:27:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53975_29990519.1220714845019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While I'm not sure this would address your concerns of utmost fidelity, I found the my life became more satisfying when I picked up one of these cheap on ebay: http://www.zzounds.com/item--EBTLLS2PKG which someone on this list recommended a while back now, as a very simple way to get my guitar into an EDP, and go from there into the front end of an old tube amp that doesn't have an effects loop. Honestly my ear for fidelity isn't enough to take apart the tonal sacrifice, and my rig has too many holes to worry about noise as much as I would like, but for me, the price was right, and it was SO easy to just put a small, PASSIVE box on my pedal board, and have a very quick, easy, and intuitive routing system. I do still think about investigating some other routes, but for me, this one is passible. Not sure that it will solve what you're looking for, but I've been meaning to make a plug on this list for this cheap device that apparently works by magic. Eben ------=_Part_53975_29990519.1220714845019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
While I'm not sure this would address your concerns of utmost fidelity, I found the my life became more satisfying when I picked up one of these cheap on ebay:


which someone on this list recommended a while back now, as a very simple way to get my guitar into an EDP, and go from there into the front end of an old tube amp that doesn't have an effects loop. Honestly my ear for fidelity isn't enough to take apart the tonal sacrifice, and my rig has too many holes to worry about noise as much as I would like, but for me, the price was right, and it was SO easy to just put a small, PASSIVE box on my pedal board, and have a very quick, easy, and intuitive routing system. I do still think about investigating some other routes, but for me, this one is passible. Not sure that it will solve what you're looking for, but I've been meaning to make a plug on this list for this cheap device that apparently works by magic. 

Eben


------=_Part_53975_29990519.1220714845019-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 15:36:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0BC13BE99; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080906103108.mgcapr63c0c0gc40@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:31:08 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Rick Walker Cc: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \\\\\(posting\\\\\)" Subject: Re: OT NINE INCH NAILS in Concert tonight in Oakland: ASTONISHING LIGHT SHOW References: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 15:36:01 +0000 (UTC) and the mosh pit was off the hook! I'm still exhausted this morning.. lol... peace -cpr Quoting Rick Walker : > I know this is a bit off-topic, but > I just saw a truly amazing show tonight: > > Nine Inch Nails at the Oakland Coliseum. > > I have to say that this show had the best, most modern, > glitchy and inpiring light shows I've ever witnessed. > > I'm actually more turned on by the Lighting Director as I am > by the crack band that Trent Reznor had assembled on this, > the 2nd to last show of his long current tour. > > > The guy did the whole show with thousands and thousands of > small LED lights. The design was just brilliant and frequently > it was interactive with the band. > > There was a huge LED array behind the band and then there was > a secondary LED array on a huge see through curtain that went > all the way across the stage so that you could see the band > THROUGH the light show. > > In one segment, the drummer came out and , by touching, > large white squares on a gigantic see-through curtain, the lights turned > red and he programmed a drum maching in real time for the piece that > was playing. > > I wish I could describe more of it, but I felt like I was watching the fut= ure > of large scale concert presentation (especially, visually). > > .....and Reznor (who was in fine voice) didn't even introduce the L.D. > at the end of the > night in his introductions. Shame on him (unless the guy didn't want > to be introduced) > > The guy is a genius. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 17:29:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6143BE90; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1T1y3nN2e+TqPxOPohsC+xxKTimgjd2L+D0jNGvt/3/Bo/FWoW5OVgnqoWCQHKoe8FBotZNfMeDH/0k11LTlKYmiXUHUhspCeICuF9w/uAD/ryMgtKRybqGMwMQmhsKV6G31upZuLnWHpGyoLnpvPMX9AVvxfiBy6ZWJ3xnL53k=; X-YMail-OSG: 5jN6uisVM1lXcuEqJCQZUl.WCM2Sa7wQF5il4IWodj7itLQ5YjDaGAdSxu4IWO54PvayBFKZXMqhIVg6VT2XidisZE7vi6RCLMfU_PZef77Ru8RVOfIh4AucldChwxKVRQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT NINE INCH NAILS in Concert tonight in Oakland: ASTONISHING LIGHT SHOW To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <017101c9100c$a1eee610$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <601906.68322.qm@web50303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:29:18 +0000 (UTC) That really does sound ncredible! If I wasn't so freaked out by huge crowds of people, I would wish I had been there. ;) > There was a huge LED array behind the band and then there > was > a secondary LED array on a huge see through curtain that > went > all the way across the stage so that you could see the band > THROUGH the light show. > > In one segment, the drummer came out and , by touching, > large white squares on a gigantic see-through curtain, the > lights turned > red and he programmed a drum maching in real time for the > piece that > was playing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 18:57:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36CC3BE87; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f6aa2c15-ea93-4725-88f2-017893fde92f_" X-Originating-IP: [72.161.58.6] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: FCB-1010 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:57:40 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <286974.3984.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <286974.3984.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2008 18:57:40.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FF798F0:01C91052] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) --_f6aa2c15-ea93-4725-88f2-017893fde92f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable holy sheep shit you guys kick ass - UnO it is =20 and one last snippet about the EXP pedal mod=2C for all those who are on th= e fence about buying the fcb due to its 2 massive expression pedlas - take = in mind it is extremely easy to remove the pedals themselves...leaving a ni= ce flat space for whatever you want- but all in all=2C im still going to saw it off=20 =20 http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/thecoherent/CIMG1451.jpg 3D"Photobuck=> Date: Sat=2C 6 Sep 2008 03:13:22 -0700> From: labaloops@yahoo.com= > Subject: Re: FCB-1010> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Get the= UnO software set it up for toggle mode on the global configuration and the= n go and SET EACH BUTTON TO TOGGLE individually=2Cotherwise you will just s= ee the button led light acting as momentary(took me a while to find this ou= t).Also keep in mind that you will only either have the top or bottom row t= o toggle.> cheers> Luis> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom> > > --- On Fr= i=2C 9/5/08=2C J Johans wrote:> > > From: J Johans= > > Subject: FCB-1010> > To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com> > Date: Friday=2C September 5=2C 2008=2C 6:42 PM> > another= quick qustion to anyone who has time - > > just got mine in the mail...rea= d through the manual and> > cant seem to find a function i need> > > > even= though this is not my application...imagine you are a> > guitar player usi= ng the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit > > personally=2C i would want to= program a button to turn the> > delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distorti= on on/off=2C and> > seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the = LED> > for the button to stay on if the respective effect was> > on......so= oooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then> > hit the button to turn= on distortion...and when i look down> > the LEDs for both my delay and dis= tortion buttons are on> > > > i cannot seem to make it work like this....wh= enever i hit> > another button the led for the previous one goes off and> >= there is seemingly no user config option for latch=2C> > momentary=2C togg= le etc.> > > > any ideas or confirmations?> > > > ty > > fro> > > From: mid= ifriedchicken@comcast.net> Subject: Re:> > Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removin= g expression pedals)?>> > Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400> To:> > Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > To take that> > idea a step further=2C= would it be possible to create FCB >> > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows e= ach) or whatever=2C with> > options for > adding pedals as needed. Sort of = a modular> > system. Sometimes I need > all ten with expression> > pedals= =2C sometimes I can get away with 4 > pedals. That> > would be very cool.> = On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 6:26 PM=2C info at> > zoekeating wrote:> > > bob ch= arest=2C who i found on> > the FCB list=2C is doing this for me > > right n= ow!!!> > he's a professional musician in maine and has many >> > > talents.= ..he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up> > the FCB > > group list an= d i was very impressed.>> > >> > anyway=2C he agreed to do it=2C and i ship= ped him> > a pedal for him to > > modify. the pedals are coming> > off and = the power supply will go in a > > little box> > that i'll mount in my rig (= which will send power down a> > > > midi cable). there are other ways you c= ould do the> > power thing=2C i > > decided that was the best option> > for= me.> >> > i talked to him yesterday and he> > was just painting the finish= ed > > product with a> > black flake finish (!!).> >> > i should get it> > = this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > >> > secret or not=2C bu= t he says he is into the idea of this being> > a > > little sideline.> >> >= i'm very> > exited!> >> >> >> > On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C> > at 2:57 PM=2C Buza= p Buzap wrote:> >> >> Hi> > folks> >>> >> it would be kind of neat to> > ha= ve the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > >> compact> > option _without_ expres= sion pedals. And only take >> > >> additional pedals if you need them.>> > = >>> >> Looking inside the FCB1010:>> > >>> > http://www.el34world.com/Misc/= Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg>> > >> It could be actually possible: Cut the met= al case> > off right where > >> the pedals begin=2C cut off the> > pedals= =2C externalize the power supply.> >>>> > >> What do you think?> >>> >>> > = Buzap> >> -- > >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele:> > Einfach online spielen und Spa= =DF haben mit > >>> > Pastry Passion!> >>> > http://games.entertainment.gmx= .net/de/entertainment/games/free/> > > >> puzzle/6169196> >>> >> > > ______= ___________________________________________________________> > Stay up to d= ate on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone> > with Windows Live.> >= http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows= Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/= --_f6aa2c15-ea93-4725-88f2-017893fde92f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable holy sheep shit you guys kick ass - UnO it is
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and one last snippet about the EXP pedal mod=2C for all those who are on th= e fence about buying the fcb due to its =3B2 massive expression pedlas&= nbsp=3B- take in mind it is extremely easy to remove the pedals themselves.= ..leaving a nice flat space for whatever you want-
but all in all=2C im still =3Bgoing to =3Bsaw =3Bit =3Boff =
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>=3B Date: Sat=2C 6 Sep 2008 03:13:22 -0700
>=3B F= rom: labaloops@yahoo.com
>=3B Subject: Re: FCB-1010
>=3B To: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>=3B
>=3B Get the UnO software s= et it up for toggle mode on the global configuration and then go and SET EA= CH BUTTON TO TOGGLE individually=2Cotherwise you will just see the button l= ed light acting as momentary(took me a while to find this out).Also keep in= mind that you will only either have the top or bottom row to toggle.
&g= t=3B cheers
>=3B Luis
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B www.m= yspace.com/luisangulocom
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B --- On Fri=2C 9/5/= 08=2C J Johans <=3Bparispro00@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
>=3B
>= =3B >=3B From: J Johans <=3Bparispro00@hotmail.com>=3B
>=3B >= =3B Subject: FCB-1010
>=3B >=3B To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.= com
>=3B >=3B Date: Friday=2C September 5=2C 2008=2C 6:42 PM
>= =3B >=3B another quick qustion to anyone who has time -
>=3B >=3B= just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and
>=3B >=3B c= ant seem to find a function i need
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B even = though this is not my application...imagine you are a
>=3B >=3B guit= ar player using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit
>=3B >=3B pe= rsonally=2C i would want to program a button to turn the
>=3B >=3B d= elay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off=2C and
>=3B >=3B = seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the LED
>=3B >=3B= for the button to stay on if the respective effect was
>=3B >=3B on= ......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then
>=3B >=3B = hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down
>=3B >= =3B the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on
>=3B >= =3B
>=3B >=3B i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i= hit
>=3B >=3B another button the led for the previous one goes off = and
>=3B >=3B there is seemingly no user config option for latch=2C<= BR>>=3B >=3B momentary=2C toggle etc.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >= =3B any ideas or confirmations?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B ty
&= gt=3B >=3B fro
>=3B >=3B >=3B From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net= >=3B Subject: Re:
>=3B >=3B Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expr= ession pedals)?>=3B
>=3B >=3B Date: Mon=2C 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -04= 00>=3B To:
>=3B >=3B Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>=3B >= =3B To take that
>=3B >=3B idea a step further=2C would it be possib= le to create FCB >=3B
>=3B >=3B modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows e= ach) or whatever=2C with
>=3B >=3B options for >=3B adding pedals = as needed. Sort of a modular
>=3B >=3B system. Sometimes I need >= =3B all ten with expression
>=3B >=3B pedals=2C sometimes I can get = away with 4 >=3B pedals. That
>=3B >=3B would be very cool.>=3B = On Aug 31=2C 2008=2C at 6:26 PM=2C info at
>=3B >=3B zoekeating wrot= e:>=3B >=3B >=3B bob charest=2C who i found on
>=3B >=3B the F= CB list=2C is doing this for me >=3B >=3B right now!!!
>=3B >=3B= he's a professional musician in maine and has many >=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up
>=3B &g= t=3B the FCB >=3B >=3B group list and i was very impressed.>=3B
&g= t=3B >=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B anyway=2C he agreed to do it=2C and i shipp= ed him
>=3B >=3B a pedal for him to >=3B >=3B modify. the pedals= are coming
>=3B >=3B off and the power supply will go in a >=3B &= gt=3B little box
>=3B >=3B that i'll mount in my rig (which will sen= d power down a
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B midi cable). there are other = ways you could do the
>=3B >=3B power thing=2C i >=3B >=3B decid= ed that was the best option
>=3B >=3B for me.>=3B >=3B>=3B >= =3B i talked to him yesterday and he
>=3B >=3B was just painting the= finished >=3B >=3B product with a
>=3B >=3B black flake finish = (!!).>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B i should get it
>=3B >=3B this week.= i asked him if he wanted to keep it a >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B secre= t or not=2C but he says he is into the idea of this being
>=3B >=3B = a >=3B >=3B little sideline.>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B i'm very
>= =3B >=3B exited!>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B On A= ug 31=2C 2008=2C
>=3B >=3B at 2:57 PM=2C Buzap Buzap wrote:>=3B &g= t=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B Hi
>=3B >=3B folks>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B = >=3B>=3B it would be kind of neat to
>=3B >=3B have the Behringe= r FCB-1010 as a more >=3B >=3B>=3B compact
>=3B >=3B option _w= ithout_ expression pedals. And only take >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B>= =3B additional pedals if you need them.>=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B>=3B= >=3B >=3B>=3B Looking inside the FCB1010:>=3B
>=3B >=3B >= =3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0= 230.jpg>=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B>=3B It could be actually possible: = Cut the metal case
>=3B >=3B off right where >=3B >=3B>=3B the= pedals begin=2C cut off the
>=3B >=3B pedals=2C externalize the pow= er supply.>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B>=3B What do y= ou think?>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B Buzap>= =3B >=3B>=3B -- >=3B >=3B>=3B GMX Kostenlose Spiele:
>=3B &g= t=3B Einfach online spielen und Spa=DF haben mit >=3B >=3B>=3B
>= =3B >=3B Pastry Passion!>=3B >=3B>=3B
>=3B >=3B http://games= .entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/
>=3B >=3B >=3B= >=3B>=3B puzzle/6169196>=3B >=3B>=3B>=3B >=3B>=3B
>= =3B >=3B ________________________________________________________________= _
>=3B >=3B Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile= phone
>=3B >=3B with Windows Live.
>=3B >=3B http://clk.atdm= t.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/
>=3B
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>= =3B
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 From annebatesdesire21@indamail.hu Sat Sep 6 21:08:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 397 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:08:31 UTC Received: from mail09.vipmail.hu (mail09.indamail.hu [195.56.151.73]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0D23BE87 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21237 invoked by uid 89); 6 Sep 2008 21:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20080906210150.21236.qmail@mail09.vipmail.hu> To: Subject: From Miss Anne Bates. Received: from host-41-207-1-227.afnet.net [41.207.1.227] by with HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:01:50 +0200 From: "miss anne bates" Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:01:50 +0200 Errors-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: VIPmail v.2.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--Vipmail.hu4d590066411a0d6b1214b7c81debd1d8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----Vipmail.hu4d590066411a0d6b1214b7c81debd1d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Faithful, Dearest One, I have a proposal for you however is not manda= tory nor will I in any manner compel you to honour against your will. I kno= w this proposal will come to you as a surprise because we have not met befo= re either physically or through correspondence. I believe is the wish of Go= d. I am Miss Anne Bates 21years old and the only daughter of my late paren= ts Chief and Mrs. Bates Adrian My father was a highly reputable busnness ma= gnet-(a Cocoa Merchant) who operated in the capital of Ivory Coast-Cote d'I= voire during his days. It is sad to say that he passed away mysteriously in= France during one of his business trips abroad on the 12th. Febuary 2002. = Though his sudden death waslinked or rather suspected to have been masterm= inded by an uncle of his who travelled along with him at that time. But God= knows the truth! My mother died when I was just 4years old, and since then= my father took me so special. Before his death 12/2/ 2002 he called the se= cretary who accompanied him to the hospital and told her that he has a priv= ateletter for me in my wardrope and is about his deposit, but he never told= the lady about the money, instead he said family asset and it was when i g= ot the note i discovered it was all about his money at the sum of Eleven Mi= llion, SevenHundred Thousand United State Dollars.(USD$11.700,000.00) which= he deposited asa family asset with a security trust company. He further to= ld the pastor of the church where he use to worship that he had deposited a= family valuables with a security trust company and it is in my name as his= only hair apparant in a written note and also to the security company as w= ell. Though, he never disclose to anybody about the content as money; but m= ake this clear in a private note and kept it in my possession that the cont= ent is money so that I can be careful and wise in handling the claim, so he= said. I am just 21years old and a university undergraduate and really don'= t knowwhat to do. Now I can not lay my hands on the fund because he left an= instruction with the Security Company that the Consignment will only be mo= ved abroad upon my provision of foreign partner. Who will take delivery of = theConsignment (1 Trunk Box) on my behalf. This is because I have suffered = a lot of set backs as a result of incessant political crisis here in Ivory = coast and his wicked brothers who want to kill me and get the property enri= sh them.The death of my father actually brought sorrow to my life. My Dear,= I am in a sincere desire of your humble assistance in this regards. Your s= uggestions and ideas will be highly regarded. Now permit me to ask these fe= w questions:- 1. Can you honestly help me?2. Can I completely trust you?3. = I am willing to offer you 30% of the total fund and 5% for any expensis mig= hty accure during the cause of this transaction. I want to use this opportu= nity to assure you of your security on this transaction now and in future. = The transaction is 100% risk free. Provided you can give us a very strong a= ssurance and guarantee that my share will be secured.Please remember to tre= at this matter as very confidential. Please, Consider this and get back to= me as soon as possible.May the almighty God bless you,Yours faithfully.Mis= s Anne Bates_________________________________________________=0A Regisztr=C3=A1lj e-mail c=C3=ADmet a VIPmail-en =C3=A9s most rep=C3=BCl=C5= =91jegyet=0A=20 vagy 100 MB-os "full extr=C3=A1s" fi=C3=B3kot nyerhetsz! Klikk ide: http://www.vipmail.hu ----Vipmail.hu4d590066411a0d6b1214b7c81debd1d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.5626" name=3DGENERATOR>

 Dear Faithful,
 
Dearest One, I have a proposal for = you however is not mandatory nor will I in any manner compel you to honour = against your will. I know this proposal will come to you as a surprise beca= use we have not met before either physically or through correspondence. I b= elieve is the wish of God.
 
I am Miss Anne Bates 21years old an= d the only daughter of  my late parents Chief and Mrs. Bates Adrian My= father was a highly reputable busnness magnet-(a Cocoa Merchant) who opera= ted in the capital of Ivory Coast-Cote d'Ivoire during his days. It is sad = to say that he passed away mysteriously in France during one of his busines= s trips abroad on the 12th. Febuary 2002. Though his sudden death was
li= nked or rather suspected to have been  masterminded by an uncle of his= who travelled along with him at that time.
 
But God knows the = truth! My mother died when I was just 4years old, and since then my father = took me so special. Before his death 12/2/ 2002 he called the secretary who= accompanied him to the hospital and told her that he has a private
lett= er for me in my wardrope and is about his deposit, but he never told the la= dy about the money, instead he said family asset and it was when i got the = note i discovered it was all about his money at the sum of Eleven Million, = Seven
Hundred Thousand United State Dollars.(USD$11.700,000.00) which he= deposited as
a family asset with a security trust company.
 He further told the pastor of the church where he use to worship that he h= ad deposited a family valuables with a security trust company and it is in = my name as his only hair apparant in a written note and also to the securit= y company as well. Though, he never disclose to anybody about the content a= s money; but make this clear in a private note and kept it in my possession= that the content is money so that I can be careful and wise in handling th= e claim, so he said.
 
I am just 21years old and a university un= dergraduate and really don't know
what to do. Now I can not lay my hands= on the fund because he left an instruction with the Security Company that = the Consignment will only be moved abroad upon my provision of foreign part= ner. Who will take delivery of the
Consignment (1 Trunk Box) on my behal= f. This is because I have suffered a lot of set backs as a result of incess= ant political crisis here in Ivory coast and his wicked brothers who want t= o kill me and get the property enrish them.

The death of my father ac= tually brought sorrow to my life. My Dear, I am in a sincere desire of your= humble assistance in this regards. Your suggestions and ideas will be high= ly regarded. Now permit me to ask these few questions:-
 
1. Can= you honestly help me?
2. Can I completely trust you?
3. I am willing= to offer you 30% of the total fund and 5% for any expensis mighty accure d= uring the cause of this transaction.
 
I want to use this opport= unity to assure you of your security on this transaction now and in future.= The transaction is 100% risk free. Provided you can give us a very strong = assurance and guarantee that my share will be secured.Please remember to tr= eat this matter as very confidential.
 
Please, Consider this a= nd get back to me as soon as possible.
May the almighty God bless you,Yours faithfully.
Miss Anne Bates

_________________________________________________
Regisztr=C3=A1lj e-mail c=C3=ADmet a VIPm= ail-en =C3=A9s most rep=C3=BCl=C5=91jegyet
=20 vagy 100 MB-os "full extr=C3=A1s" fi=C3=B3kot nyerhetsz! Klikk ide: http://www.vipmail.hu ----Vipmail.hu4d590066411a0d6b1214b7c81debd1d8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:17:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B52AB3BE92; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=rKaReJ7GBtiC72lMvnMljaugbiRHWU/mraIqqCFvOQyezHheMuuEO+cdiiENMkUZsBRUcEjnzVoDfI1fVU2EPAh86PHcW3iRdY3IlU+l3NdBRlQLFhx0tH+3kYwjA/SLMP4Aw/o0L0vR7NXuLCUGhYC/+mDHyoPXX7UgUxLy9bI=; X-YMail-OSG: MhKZcY0VM1m_c9rLGJVP3LdSvtxXQ6AMqD3OE6PY2LGi2O_XOEVPy07vqCwg0eu0lkq1QnMY39XUf_M.kCbCzny35j8GHJC9N0CDvBl3RvhpU3pf1mKgCHEjKzD4_kwPBjuwYe.Qz3KbgJc83xmSm48- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:17:09 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-436799529-1220735829=:99395" Message-ID: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:17:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-436799529-1220735829=:99395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey list! i have a tech question here.... i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine. since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? thanks in advance! margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ --0-436799529-1220735829=:99395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

hey list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/


--0-436799529-1220735829=:99395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:24:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0763BE90; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NjONjnSrNb4A:10 a=f5s8k6uenp0A:10 a=qSEgxVnzAAAA:8 a=a4NEJbfMAAAA:8 a=fepHvfg7AAAA:8 a=CGsdImSwAAAA:8 a=J3PZdDlemaCjuN0W_OEA:9 a=KMKUsvMO_T-UGcRRse6fUyDPYKcA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 a=J_Gv5zpWS-Xr9-fkhTUA:9 a=GVrqaUYYUyz0MIkXRQYA:7 a=r97M-GpVbBczp76QyhdK31UVks0A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--236579124 Message-Id: <2D3F394E-1911-4080-9A77-C64D9AB3C68C@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:24:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <0GdiFB.A.rsF.TUvwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:24:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--236579124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Great great analog pedal. I don't think you could do this in any consistent way. Does it have midi in? On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:17 PM, margaret noble wrote: > hey list! > > i have a tech question here.... > > i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z > > i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on > my drum machine. > > since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? > > if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum > machine bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? > > thanks in advance! > > > > margaret noble - audio artist > website: http://margaretnoble.net/ > free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/ > This_Is_Not_A_Test > > upcoming performances > Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html > Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > > > --Apple-Mail-1--236579124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great great analog pedal. I don't think you could do this in any = consistent way. Does it have midi in?
On Sep 6, 2008, at = 5:17 PM, margaret noble wrote:

hey = list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger = fooger delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in = time with the bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs = and analog i am wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what = math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to=A0 a = milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?

thanks in = advance!


=A0
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.arch= ive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venu= e.html
Saturday, = Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/=




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Hey Margaret,
 
You can try this, http://www.roxis.co.uk/bpm.htm
 
And here is a downloadable delay = calculator,=20
 
http://w= ww.softpedia.com/downloadTag/bpm+to+millisecond
 
 
Jeff
 
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Sent: Saturday, September 06, = 2008 5:17=20 PM
Subject: calculating rhythmic = synch=20 between analalog delay pedal and bpm

hey=20 list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger = fooger=20 delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time = with the=20 bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i = am=20 wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use = to figure=20 out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on = a delay=20 pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret=20 noble - audio artistwebsite:=20 http://margaretnoble.net/free collective net = release:=20 http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test
upcoming=20 performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San = Diego:=20 http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.htmlSaturday, Oct 18, = Santa Cruz:=20 http://www.y2kloopfest.com/



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------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C91046.AA3FC1B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:34:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC44F3BE90; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=B/Aj/fcH05nqoPtYZ/K/wf4Wwh2+YAIrLX8MRwHHH7DVBYfUQuCbCcF0r32dH6soccGaMfA8uCf129W3T3RMNwfv2M4rBEDjjZf2AIye4R3GvkqefvXWqfwKYB4tSCR9JDqybO427+OV6HLWmenXV/VTTX5zdBDkdaxMPG+Gles=; X-YMail-OSG: w9VclAAVM1lofw.6IXj12FFaon3LTi9_fs4C1bAFFvFgjBWfeDQ1Io54YLuCncUVbSt7DiPYA717YCnL6g9zYrsBzpH1TSKJymQXvOmPbAR0Q84O9WoDk5iqJYn9Pmf8EX0SibP8Gsutl2CyhHA8e9Y- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:34:25 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-970426633-1220736865=:67713" Message-ID: <358820.67713.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-970426633-1220736865=:67713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no midi in :-( do you think i can get a rough approximation with math calculations? margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:24:32 PM Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Great great analog pedal. I don't think you could do this in any consistent way. Does it have midi in? On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:17 PM, margaret noble wrote: hey list! i have a tech question here.... i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine. since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? thanks in advance! margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ --0-970426633-1220736865=:67713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
no midi in :-(

do you think i can get a rough approximation with math calculations?
 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/


----- Original Message ----
From: Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:24:32 PM
Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm

Great great analog pedal. I don't think you could do this in any consistent way. Does it have midi in?
On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:17 PM, margaret noble wrote:

hey list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/





--0-970426633-1220736865=:67713-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:34:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22ED63BE92; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Zg8S43wkIC/EC3FANU2n/Fzy3WHXX+phAmTb+h44G6WO3Qko5e2Sgchoha5PuCaRkRNR1bGFhQBgd0wITsII4Ax7GdwNGVXG3fWFxMudOH1CJeSKpuEiN1C3oVkErrztmNesIkg6faJSG/u6Vw+0SrQG00zaU160gVLL0z8oRrQ=; X-YMail-OSG: Tzxqya8VM1kcSoMOYOYHHKkA9KVZKrAch58p7sb8JQe15Vxu0BYI9Kgj5IRfErUMow-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: margaret noble Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1070175793-1220736896=:67855" Message-ID: <287225.67855.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9tasu.A.JNG.AevwIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:34:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-1070175793-1220736896=:67855 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii rad, thanks! margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Duke To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:33:24 PM Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Hey Margaret, You can try this, http://www.roxis.co.uk/bpm.htm And here is a downloadable delay calculator, http://www.softpedia.com/downloadTag/bpm+to+millisecond Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: margaret noble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm hey list! i have a tech question here.... i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine. since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? thanks in advance! margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ ________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM --0-1070175793-1220736896=:67855 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
rad, thanks!
 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/


----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:33:24 PM
Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm

Hey Margaret,
 
 
And here is a downloadable delay calculator,
 
 
 
Jeff
 
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Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm

hey list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/



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--0-1070175793-1220736896=:67855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:37:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C717E3BE88; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1220737025; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=PxrnJdTPPJU516i6dTuQtx7K1AI=; b=F5wODGz7gMqSMjVgmWWFMM18PEabCAJjNlQltSsZ9fx6I3TU0+0KHNQabPUFrJkP IYhCpYWjM08Xi46NJRWSrH6otwsf4gJFSkoavdlmyKeLaY059P6E3Oib5Ftd/Lwa; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NjONjnSrNb4A:10 a=f5s8k6uenp0A:10 a=qSEgxVnzAAAA:8 a=a4NEJbfMAAAA:8 a=fepHvfg7AAAA:8 a=CGsdImSwAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=QnFywgEN2xJSIYCUYA4A:9 a=lWZXYgu8SOxJto1My2IA:7 a=PPTDg_0jAL_hMtvh-Tc6xgN4G88A:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=f3vTY2RCmVgA:10 a=PI5jbwFs7hMSFFucZf8A:9 a=PFmP-OrzNN7yZxK41pwA:7 a=sxdrJcCjSUba4hTRrB-ACu-Ga40A:4 a=bZ7j5JgeYLcA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002701c91068$b4a4eb40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:37:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C91047.2D232450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:37:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C91047.2D232450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I don't have a millisecond readout on a delay then I just have to = tweak it until it fits. I have scratched or marked aprox settings on = them. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: margaret noble=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and = bpm hey list! i have a tech question here.... i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my = drum machine. since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine = bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? thanks in advance! margaret noble - audio artist website: http://margaretnoble.net/ free collective net release: = http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test upcoming performances Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: = 9/5/2008 7:05 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C91047.2D232450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If I don't have a millisecond = readout on a=20 delay then I just have to tweak it until it fits. I have scratched or = marked=20 aprox settings on them.
 
Jeff
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Sent: Saturday, September 06, = 2008 5:17=20 PM
Subject: calculating rhythmic = synch=20 between analalog delay pedal and bpm

hey=20 list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger = fooger=20 delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time = with the=20 bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i = am=20 wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use = to figure=20 out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on = a delay=20 pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret=20 noble - audio artistwebsite:=20 http://margaretnoble.net/free collective net = release:=20 http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test
upcoming=20 performances
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C91047.2D232450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 21:46:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 780C63BE90; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1yYbZeC9O9SzhJlaseHaXmJodJ9vZPLypI/4gO+sDJA=; b=GhYYzGS5Ur2n4zsXT7MSxJQXHwaRA+H+aDJvt/7NdXfpnbT/6vSXg4QNMbPKT0929B wBp5kM+2QdROcbSo/gt8eK10nJlMm2Av79HLvRmZVME46I4fyjMwrePTxqTrsIcoIAjn UuyvWibXb7HkK8Pmf/HYYauxW2FH/GXS9AoDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uSzdIVdymWWpa/3UMmcz7UdhZfTPbf3qQD5ZJ0s/VmfcXvawhy55/oDUhFJw0rJFU2 BoITpKnnhvCd/N5v5bbVz67PgJNkpaQRpDVVjTk/ayAQf3SJSHwUfYUw2oIFL3W2/6gF Hmb+98CQFmYrVFfzWra5oGiy1BrLhoUnFgVlY= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:46:55 -0500 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm In-Reply-To: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33563_33439760.1220737615102" References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:46:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33563_33439760.1220737615102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ! would do it by ear, but you can also use Google calculator for unit conversions like this. In the Google search box type "(1 minute)/120 in milliseconds" and you get the answer "500 milliseconds". This tells you that one beat at 120 BPM is 500 milliseconds long. -- Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_33563_33439760.1220737615102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
! would do it by ear, but you can also use Google calculator for unit conversions like this. In the Google search box type "(1 minute)/120 in milliseconds" and you get the answer "500 milliseconds". This tells you that one beat at 120 BPM is 500 milliseconds long.

--
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------=_Part_33563_33439760.1220737615102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 22:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2FF3BE90; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:59:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01C91041.EA7C40A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:12:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C91041.EA7C40A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's one more variation: >what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to = a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? taken from a post by "John Greythorne": y =3D (240,000 * (d / t)) / x where t is the divisions of a bar (e.g. 16) and d is the delay time (e.g. 3) and x is the bpm of your song y is the delay time in milliseconds so to calculate 3/16ths of a bar for a 120bpm song, the calculation is (240,000 x (3 / 16)) / 120 =3D 45,000 / 120 =3D 375 milliseconds=20 >wondering if precision is possible? To control the mooger fooger via MIDI you'll need a MIDI to CV, "control = voltage", converter box of some kind. This link shows several. http://www.synthzone.com/cv.htm Analog is not perfect and will have to be retuned on occasion, but it'll = be close enough ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C91041.EA7C40A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's one more variation:
 
>what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine = bpm=20 to  a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?
 
taken from a post by "John Greythorne":
 
y =3D (240,000 * (d / t)) / x

where t is the divisions of a = bar (e.g.=20 16)
and d is the delay time (e.g. 3)
and x is the bpm of your=20 song

y is the delay time in milliseconds


so to = calculate=20 3/16ths of a bar for a 120bpm song, the calculation is

(240,000 x = (3 /=20 16)) / 120
=3D 45,000 / 120
=3D 375 milliseconds
 
>wondering if precision is=20 possible?
To control the mooger fooger via MIDI = you'll need a=20 MIDI to CV, "control voltage",  converter box of some = kind.
This link shows several. http://www.synthzone.com/cv.htm<= /A>
 
Analog is not perfect and will have to = be retuned=20 on occasion, but it'll be close enough
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C91041.EA7C40A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 22:17:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0A73BEA2; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NjONjnSrNb4A:10 a=f5s8k6uenp0A:10 a=9IS6sqL5AAAA:8 a=UNX6D93fiHJTqksH8OEA:9 a=aAv85QsLH4QtfbqBQYz85R1li3sA:4 a=GL-Re4spl-cA:10 a=GH4KC2Ztotq3nbPkv2oA:9 a=ESyhSqCxAg2DjeAmUX4A:7 a=MpFOCMt0jo_fjdf1xta0UQHJqIsA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--233386378 Message-Id: <6DAA97E4-013A-4869-B99A-319F987C2F6C@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:17:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:17:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--233386378 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Won't that drift horribly? On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > Here's one more variation: > > >what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine > bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? > > taken from a post by "John Greythorne": > > y = (240,000 * (d / t)) / x > > where t is the divisions of a bar (e.g. 16) > and d is the delay time (e.g. 3) > and x is the bpm of your song > > y is the delay time in milliseconds > > > so to calculate 3/16ths of a bar for a 120bpm song, the calculation is > > (240,000 x (3 / 16)) / 120 > = 45,000 / 120 > = 375 milliseconds > > >wondering if precision is possible? > To control the mooger fooger via MIDI you'll need a MIDI to CV, > "control voltage", converter box of some kind. > This link shows several. http://www.synthzone.com/cv.htm > > Analog is not perfect and will have to be retuned on occasion, but > it'll be close enough > > > > --Apple-Mail-2--233386378 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Won't that drift horribly?
On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rick = Williamson wrote:

Here's one = more variation:
=A0
>what = math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to=A0 a = milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?
=A0
taken from a = post by "John Greythorne":
=A0
y =3D = (240,000 * (d / t)) / x

where t is the divisions of a bar (e.g. = 16)
and d is the delay time (e.g. 3)
and x is the bpm of your = song

y is the delay time in milliseconds


so to = calculate 3/16ths of a bar for a 120bpm song, the calculation = is

(240,000 x (3 / 16)) / 120
=3D 45,000 / 120
=3D 375 = milliseconds
=A0
>wondering if precision is possible?
To control the = mooger fooger via MIDI you'll need a MIDI to CV, "control voltage", = =A0converter box of some kind.
This link shows several.=A0http://www.synthzone.com/cv.htm

= --Apple-Mail-2--233386378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 22:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3C1A3BE92; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBNqPwRTRx Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:42:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6DAA97E4-013A-4869-B99A-319F987C2F6C@comcast.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: AckQbmaR7ee79pD0QPetbdpE8vLA+wAAY3Jg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Chris said, about using delay pedals together with drum machines: > Won't that drift horribly? It depends on how long the aberration cumulates. If you use e.g. a short delay in combination with a drum machine, e.g. to put two 16th slaps on each hit of the snare and that delay length is off by 1%, then the second 16th is off by 2%, which in a lot of cases is acceptable. If, on the other hand, you use a longer delay, e.g. to run a one-bar bass line together with your drum machine, and the initial (loop) delay length is off by 1%, then it's of by 1% after the first bar, 2% after the second and so on, and you will quickly use the attribute "horribly". Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 22:48:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D54313BE9E; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7yPYpJY3IBUA:10 a=1bs22TFoG1YA:10 a=T6B42tbl2GGRXMWMzv0A:9 a=sPnGZ7t527ILodBO-bGJOB2h57IA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F046078-6963-4AAB-A936-D20296544B44@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: AW: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:48:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:48:40 +0000 (UTC) I misunderstood. I thought they were trying to loop with that pedal. On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Chris said, about using delay pedals together with drum machines: >> Won't that drift horribly? > > It depends on how long the aberration cumulates. If you use e.g. a > short > delay in combination with a drum machine, e.g. to put two 16th > slaps on each > hit of the snare and that delay length is off by 1%, then the > second 16th is > off by 2%, which in a lot of cases is acceptable. If, on the other > hand, you > use a longer delay, e.g. to run a one-bar bass line together with > your drum > machine, and the initial (loop) delay length is off by 1%, then > it's of by > 1% after the first bar, 2% after the second and so on, and you will > quickly > use the attribute "horribly". > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 6 23:07:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77A1F3BE9E; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HBGMjcYcfRQE2Yj47n+1efPiYM1EBd9ougCiXaJdihF/6DPVkHMP6Sdr+BubhHve; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27428322.1220742427245.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48222e87f7ba6671ce97f069b2b978594ca7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC) i have that delay pedal- never been able to sync properly over time- always drifts s (thank godd for the pcm42 that i(used to) loop w/) >Won't that drift horribly? >On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > >> Here's one more variation: >> >> >what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine >> bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? >> >> taken from a post by "John Greythorne": >> >> y = (240,000 * (d / t)) / x >> >> where t is the divisions of a bar (e.g. 16) >> and d is the delay time (e.g. 3) >> and x is the bpm of your song >> >> y is the delay time in milliseconds >> >> >> so to calculate 3/16ths of a bar for a 120bpm song, the calculation is >> >> (240,000 x (3 / 16)) / 120 >> = 45,000 / 120 >> = 375 milliseconds >> >> >wondering if precision is possible? >> To control the mooger fooger via MIDI you'll need a MIDI to CV, >> "control voltage", converter box of some kind. >> This link shows several. http://www.synthzone.com/cv.htm >> >> Analog is not perfect and will have to be retuned on occasion, but >> it'll be close enough >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 01:18:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E31F3BE90; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8FCAE2A0-DF96-4D4A-9381-2E4EBEDC8E41@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5C1) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5C1) Subject: Re: best free looping software for beginner ? 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Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <18A9CDE1-B0F1-41A7-8D0C-35CCF0CBDDB0@arcor.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--204068365 From: Andreas Willers Subject: RE: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:26:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8177/Sun Sep 7 06:29:39 2008 on mail-in-10.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:26:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--204068365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed 60.000 ms : MM x 4 = delay time (t) in ms The factor 4 stands for a bar of 4/4 time signature and can be adjusted to other metres. Use 7 for a bar of 7/4 and 3.5 for bar of 7/8 e.g. I'm not good in math but had to re-research this recently for an article in Gitarre&Bass (Germany) where I was writing about different practice routines and included loopers and delay machines. Precise knob setting on the Moog will be hard to do though. --Apple-Mail-1--204068365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
60.000 ms : =A0MM x 4 =3D = delay time (t) in ms
The factor = 4 stands for a bar of 4/4 time signature and can be adjusted to other = metres. Use 7 for a bar of =A07/4 and 3.5 for bar of 7/8 = e.g.

I'm not good in math but had to re-research this recently for an = article in Gitarre&Bass (Germany) where I was writing about = different practice routines and included loopers and delay machines. = Precise knob setting on the Moog will be hard to do = though.
= --Apple-Mail-1--204068365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 08:19:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774513BE8C; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48C38F43.20003@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:22:27 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB-1010 References: <286974.3984.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:19:39 +0000 (UTC) J Johans wrote: > holy sheep shit you guys kick ass - UnO it is > > and one last snippet about the EXP pedal mod, for all those who are on > the fence about buying the fcb due to its 2 massive expression pedlas - > take in mind it is extremely easy to remove the pedals > themselves...leaving a nice flat space for whatever you want- > but all in all, im still going to saw it off > > http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/thecoherent/CIMG1451.jpg Well, imagination rules - I wonder where the glasses went..;) Actually, with the pedals removed, that free space could be used for mounting two pedals, and use the two FCB1010 control jack to switch the pedals on/off. For interfacing to the FCB on/off jacks, a FET transistor may be needed, depending on the pedal construction, which could be build into the pedals. > href="http://s149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/thecoherent/?action=view¤t=CIMG1451.jpg > " > target="_blank"> src="http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s48/thecoherent/CIMG1451.jpg" > border="0" alt="Photobucket"> > > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:13:22 -0700 > > From: labaloops@yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: FCB-1010 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Get the UnO software set it up for toggle mode on the global > configuration and then go and SET EACH BUTTON TO TOGGLE > individually,otherwise you will just see the button led light acting as > momentary(took me a while to find this out).Also keep in mind that you > will only either have the top or bottom row to toggle. > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, J Johans wrote: > > > > > From: J Johans > > > Subject: FCB-1010 > > > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:42 PM > > > another quick qustion to anyone who has time - > > > just got mine in the mail...read through the manual and > > > cant seem to find a function i need > > > > > > even though this is not my application...imagine you are a > > > guitar player using the FCB to control a POD x3 style unit > > > personally, i would want to program a button to turn the > > > delay on/off ....reverb on/off....distortion on/off, and > > > seemingly the kicker is the fact that i would want the LED > > > for the button to stay on if the respective effect was > > > on......sooooooooo....hit the button to turn on verb...then > > > hit the button to turn on distortion...and when i look down > > > the LEDs for both my delay and distortion buttons are on > > > > > > i cannot seem to make it work like this....whenever i hit > > > another button the led for the previous one goes off and > > > there is seemingly no user config option for latch, > > > momentary, toggle etc. > > > > > > any ideas or confirmations? > > > > > > ty > > > fro > > > > From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net> Subject: Re: > > > Cutting up the FCB-1010 (removing expression pedals)?> > > > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:01:50 -0400> To: > > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > To take that > > > idea a step further, would it be possible to create FCB > > > > modules of 4 or 6 pedals (2 rows each) or whatever, with > > > options for > adding pedals as needed. Sort of a modular > > > system. Sometimes I need > all ten with expression > > > pedals, sometimes I can get away with 4 > pedals. That > > > would be very cool.> On Aug 31, 2008, at 6:26 PM, info at > > > zoekeating wrote:> > > bob charest, who i found on > > > the FCB list, is doing this for me > > right now!!! > > > he's a professional musician in maine and has many > > > > > talents...he posted photos of his pedal-removal job up > > > the FCB > > group list and i was very impressed.> > > > >> > anyway, he agreed to do it, and i shipped him > > > a pedal for him to > > modify. the pedals are coming > > > off and the power supply will go in a > > little box > > > that i'll mount in my rig (which will send power down a > > > > > midi cable). there are other ways you could do the > > > power thing, i > > decided that was the best option > > > for me.> >> > i talked to him yesterday and he > > > was just painting the finished > > product with a > > > black flake finish (!!).> >> > i should get it > > > this week. i asked him if he wanted to keep it a > > > > > secret or not, but he says he is into the idea of this being > > > a > > little sideline.> >> > i'm very > > > exited!> >> >> >> > On Aug 31, 2008, > > > at 2:57 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:> >> >> Hi > > > folks> >>> >> it would be kind of neat to > > > have the Behringer FCB-1010 as a more > >> compact > > > option _without_ expression pedals. And only take > > > > >> additional pedals if you need them.> > > > >>> >> Looking inside the FCB1010:> > > > >> > > > http://www.el34world.com/Misc/Music/images/IMG_0230.jpg> > > > >> It could be actually possible: Cut the metal case > > > off right where > >> the pedals begin, cut off the > > > pedals, externalize the power supply.> >>> > > > >> What do you think?> >>> >> > > > Buzap> >> -- > >> GMX Kostenlose Spiele: > > > Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit > >> > > > Pastry Passion!> >> > > > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/ > > > > >> puzzle/6169196> >>> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone > > > with Windows Live. > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > Live. See Now -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 11:10:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A00713BE8A; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=06AzHNUoxUbXpRK6B90Da9qog66iAsYydFUTw0rWI7Y=; b=FeOvb5zLKMbgdx8d/BaBo53t3baV9XjrCscYqpGosSRmiIhxly+DiA+ZaqqIyTw/Ke Hixv5AlEzELY3VUk7UGLKCVBe603MrohZscazf3zwg0NeA5bvwJTBDxXV+0axopp05Bi OYXLfVtooiPcJj4atYMdb8g5AZNUT1iXw/6Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=Je8hsFxlH9hZnB1teZnzQmKoYAIu/oxR+urjM1Dl/f88yl3JVBv/y6RV4VoxhYvkZ+ LhZ0C+oDSyRU+oBdKvoHpXV8dMBfAwixO+OkB7IHTDdC0f4X1C3xQMMaiswI1xspskDh ChIkbF72Zbs+jJQWFCiik2F+TmSi1fhr2xWfQ= Message-ID: <48C3B6B9.8030505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:10:49 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=3F_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080727) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm References: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <226696.99395.qm@web81005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050806000104090003000307" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:10:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050806000104090003000307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder whether it would be possible to sync the drum machine, or any MIDI device in fact, to a delay pedal through some BMP extraction utility. The signal would go like this: delay -> mixer/splitter -> BMP-to-MIDI-clock converter -> drum machine Korg KaossPad KP3 seems to be able to do the job as it has a BMP detection function on the incoming audio and can output MIDI clock. Has anyone tried somthing like this? margaret noble pisze: > hey list! > > i have a tech question here.... > > i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z > > i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my > drum machine. > > since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible? > > if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine > bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? > > thanks in advance! > > > > margaret noble - audio artist > website: http://margaretnoble.net/ > free collective net release: > http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test > > upcoming performances > Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html > Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > > --------------050806000104090003000307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wonder whether it would be possible to sync the drum machine, or any MIDI device in fact,
to a delay pedal through some BMP extraction utility. The signal would go like this:

delay -> mixer/splitter  -> BMP-to-MIDI-clock converter -> drum machine

Korg KaossPad KP3 seems to be able to do the job as it has a BMP detection function
on the incoming audio and can output MIDI clock.

Has anyone tried somthing like this?

margaret noble pisze:
hey list!

i have a tech question here....

i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z

i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm output on my drum machine.

since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision is possible?

if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a drum machine bpm to  a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal?

thanks in advance!


 
margaret noble - audio artist
website: http://margaretnoble.net/
free collective net release: http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test

upcoming performances
Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html
Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/



--------------050806000104090003000307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 15:53:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044D13BE88; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:53:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1159 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:53:10 UTC Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-43--171226714 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: Re: OT: DIY Music Room sound-proofing Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:33:45 -0500 References: <20080816070846.C42E83BE86@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Spam-Score: 1.154 (HTML_MESSAGE,SOME_BREAKTHROUGH) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:53:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-43--171226714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok it does seem like you guys are confusing Sound Treatment with Sound Proofing The former generally has nothing to do with the latter further than reduce the average volume within the room. Less waves bouncing around HITTING WALLS. For Sound Proofing, you need to be concerned with the TRANSMISSION of sound from one side to the other. How does sound transmit? It vibrates a barrier (wall) which in turn vibrates the air on the other side. There are 2 ways you can reduce this vibration: Mass Decoupling You don't want to install a 10' stone wall (thumbs up for huge barrier mass). So decoupling is your friend. There are 2 ways to decouple: 2 smaller barriers separated by at least 4 inches. Putting insulation between them helps further. Increasing the mass of each barrier helps yet again (doubling up on the drywall?). Using "Green Glue" (Google it). It's a scientific breakthrough that greatly reduces the transmission of vibration of one dry wall sheet attached (coupled) to another if the glue is sandwiched between them. I have chosen this method for my band room (garage) as it gives up the least real estate, requires much less labour (no further framing) and makes soundproofing the ceiling easy. For those of you in apartments, you may have no choice but to raise the floor. Don't forget to use resilient channels. Now for Sound Treatment. you do not want a totally anechoic chamber. This is a big novice mistake. No one listens to music in an environment such as this. You will find yourself adding way too much effect to your mix to please your ears. When this is played back in a normal environment, you won't like it. The rules of thumb are: Keep the front 1/3 of the room absorptive and the rest reflective. The reason for this is that you don't want, for example, audio waves from the left speaker bouncing off the right wall at a position that would reflect that sound to your right ear. So find where that line is and put absorptive material from there toward the front. I use cloth stretched over the framing, stapled to each 16" on centre beam, with acoustic insulation inside the framing. Stretched properly, it looks like a beautiful smooth wall. Then simply attach nicely shaped strips of wood over the staples on each frame. No Parallel surfaces. Since you don't always have the freedom or the funds to reshape the room, you can do this: Any where you see a couple of parallel surfaces, do what you can to stop the sound from regularly bouncing between them. You can use deflection and/or absorption. Since you have already deadened 1/3 of the room, you should use deflection. You can use from fancy off the shelf deflection devices to egg boxes to bookshelves. The floor/ceiling pair is the most common parallel pair and thick carpet may be an easy solution . But it will deaden the room more. Consider your options. After this, all you will really have to worry about is bass trapping. Generally, the smaller the room the bigger the problem is. Reason being that problem bass frequency increases as the room gets smaller. For a large room (like my garage) the bass freq is so low as to not be of concern. it may even be below 20Hz. But a small 15' by 20' room may have its problem bass up in the 120 Hz to 150 Hz range. So this is where you would need to look into bass traps. If you have the equipment, you can find out the exact freq culprits and get a narrow band resonator bass trap. If not, you can always go for a broader one. Your vocal booth needs to be also sound proofed but COMPLETELY DEAD. From the above, you should know how to do that. --Adrian Bartholomew adrian@bartholomusic.com 2550 S. 36th St. Quincy, IL (913) 660-6918 "I love writing 'cause I hate reading" - Laken On Saturday16,Aug 2008, at 7:11 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > sofas = great bass traps > books on the whole back wall, mattresses, Owens Corning 704 or Roxul > Safe and Sound covered with fabric > Polycylindrical diffusors (half moons - vertical - like cylinders > standing on end) made of masonite and stuffed with fiberglass/ > rockwool. fairly easy to make if you are crafty. They're diffusors > carpet on floor > a cloud suspended from ceiling filled with soft stuff to absorb > sound ABOVE the sound source > lots of human bodies are great > big stuffed chairs > random stuff that disperses/diffuses the sound - racks, furniture, > keyboards, amps etc. Stuff that is higher than your ears is good. > > try to make it symmetrical as far as random stuff around the room > > rugs on wall > > If it's sound getting out, density is the best. 20' thick concrete > walls and Blue Cheer or Metallica could rehearse next to a Tibetan > meditation temple and no one would blink. It sounded to me like > sound WITHIN the room was your concern > > If you wanna spend money and look cool, there's all that foam > stuff. Cut it with an electric knife. > > That Weiner guy who makes the Real Traps has a good site with info > on how to build bass traps. > > Sometimes just leaving doors open is a good bass trap. > > Round all corners or fill em with soft stuff like Owens Corning 704 > or the Roxul or foam > > Roxul Safe & Sound is made in Canada and I have 22 two foot by four > foot panels in my recording room. 4" thick. Worked GREAT for > subduing room reverb. Don't wanna kill all of it except for > vocals. A totally dead room is NO FUN to play in. Drums sound much > better in more live rooms. > > High ceilings are glorious. Mine are 12' now. NO ceilings or walls > would be best. > > Most rooms have problems with bass. I still haven't solved that one > but have learned to live with it and mix around it. > > There's lots online about bass traps etc. I built a bunch and hope > to put them up maybe this winter. I'm fearful of changing anything > in my control room because it's working so well now. But I think > I'm gonna have to because I'm drastically revising my whole setup > this winter (I think). And because record companies etc are so > thoroughly submerged in hype and old husband's tales about sound and > what works and doesn't work. > > I spent a fortune on my old studio on the east coast. Hired > designer etc. It was like working in a coffin. I hated it. And it > didn't sound all that much better either and my mixes were strange. > > So, stay out of coffins until your choices expire > > It's not really rocket science. Just put up temporary stuff and see > how it works... and FEELS. > > Probably the very best advice is, if you're MIXING, get the best > monitors you can afford and mix at VERY LOW volumes. You can turn > it up now and then to make sure the details are there. But don't > forget to turn it back down. And leave the low level alone. It's > better for your mixes AND the longevity of your ears. > > Listening at low volume's done more for me than all the money I've > spent on room treatment a million times over. Turn it down and give > it time. > > I have ZERO treatment on the walls in my control room now. They say > it can't work. But one record we mixed here was on the Canadian > chart last year for nearly a year. Most of that time in the top > ten. Songs featured on TV shows etc. One record got glowing reviews > in Spin Magazine a few months ago. So... it can work. Just takes a > little longer. AND... lower levels. > > Listen to lots of different kinds of records in your mix room so you > can know what it's doing. > > I use Quested monitors. Love 'em. I hear Adams are good too. > > I hope this helps and isn't too stupid > > good luck! > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > www.broombusters.org > On 16-Aug-08, at 12:08 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > >> In several different dwellings, I've conducted amplified band >> rehearsals and >> recorded one album, mixed another. In each location, I went to all >> the >> neighbors well in advance of the first event with my business card >> and told >> them to call if the noise bothered them, and that we would stop >> immediately. >> >> No one ever called. I kept rehearsals to 90 minutes, usually in >> the late >> afternoon before many are home from work. Mixing required some >> volume at >> times (and I confess to liking to test a mix by walking around the >> outside >> of the house with all the doors and windows shut), but no one ever >> complained. Offering consideration and cooperation up front may >> not work >> with everyone in every situation, but it is a good investment. >> >> dave >> >> But usually we don't need disco level in our studio, maybe >> worrying about the neighbours is better done with knowing them and >> asking for hours you can make noise without disturbing them too >> much... >> >> Stefan >> >> >> >> --Apple-Mail-43--171226714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok it does seem like you guys = are confusing Sound Treatment with Sound Proofing
The former = generally has nothing to do with the latter further than reduce the = average volume within the room. Less waves bouncing around HITTING = WALLS.
For Sound Proofing, you need to be concerned with the = TRANSMISSION of sound from one side to the other.
How does = sound transmit? It vibrates a barrier (wall) which in turn vibrates the = air on the other side.
There are 2 ways you can reduce this = vibration:
Mass
Decoupling

Yo= u don't want to install a 10' stone wall (thumbs up for huge barrier = mass).
So decoupling is your friend. There are 2 ways to = decouple:
2 smaller barriers separated by = at least 4 inches. Putting insulation between them helps further. = Increasing the mass of each barrier helps yet again (doubling up on the = drywall?).
Using "Green Glue" (Google it). = It's a scientific breakthrough that greatly reduces the transmission of = vibration of one dry wall sheet attached (coupled) to another if the = glue is sandwiched between them. I have chosen this method for my band = room (garage) as it gives up the least real estate, requires much less = labour (no further framing) and makes soundproofing the ceiling = easy.
For those of you in apartments, you may have no = choice but to raise the floor. Don't forget to use resilient = channels.

Now for Sound Treatment. you do not = want a totally anechoic chamber. This is a big novice mistake. No one = listens to music in an environment such as this. You will find yourself = adding way too much effect to your mix to please your ears. When this is = played back in a normal environment, you won't like it. The rules of = thumb are:

Keep the front 1/3 of the room = absorptive and the rest reflective.
The reason for this is = that you don't want, for example, audio waves from the left speaker = bouncing off the right wall at a position that would reflect that sound = to your right ear. So find where that line is and put absorptive = material from there toward the front. I use cloth stretched over the = framing, stapled to each 16" on centre beam, with acoustic insulation = inside the framing. Stretched properly, it looks like a beautiful smooth = wall. Then simply attach nicely shaped strips of wood over the staples = on each frame.

No Parallel = surfaces.
Since you don't always have the freedom or the = funds to reshape the room, you can do this:
Any where you see = a couple of parallel surfaces, do what you can to stop the sound from = regularly bouncing between them.
You can use deflection and/or = absorption. Since you have already deadened 1/3 of the room, you should = use deflection. You can use from fancy off the shelf deflection devices = to egg boxes to bookshelves. The floor/ceiling pair is the most common = parallel pair and thick carpet may be an easy solution . But it = will deaden the room more. Consider your = options.

After this, all you will really have = to worry about is bass trapping. Generally, the smaller the room the = bigger the problem is. Reason being that problem bass frequency = increases as the room gets smaller. For a large room (like my garage) = the bass freq is so low as to not be of concern. it may even be below = 20Hz. But a small 15' by 20' room may have its problem bass up in the = 120 Hz to 150 Hz range.
So this is where you would need to = look into bass traps. If you have the equipment, you can find out the = exact freq culprits and get a narrow band resonator bass trap. If not, = you can always go for a broader one.

Your vocal = booth needs to be also sound proofed but COMPLETELY DEAD. =46rom the = above, you should know how to do = that.




--Adrian Bartholomew
2550 S. = 36th St.
Quincy, IL
(913) = 660-6918
"I = love writing 'cause I hate reading" - = Laken

On = Saturday16,Aug 2008, at 7:11 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

sofas =3D = great bass traps
books on the whole back wall, mattresses, Owens = Corning 704 or Roxul Safe and Sound covered with = fabric
Polycylindrical diffusors (half moons - vertical - like = cylinders standing on end) made of masonite and stuffed with = fiberglass/rockwool.  fairly easy to make if you are = crafty.  They're diffusors
carpet on floor
a cloud = suspended from ceiling filled with soft stuff to absorb sound ABOVE the = sound source
lots of human bodies are great
big stuffed = chairs
random stuff that disperses/diffuses the sound - racks, = furniture, keyboards, amps etc.  Stuff that is higher than = your ears is good.  

try to make it symmetrical as far = as random stuff around the room

rugs on wall

If it's sound = getting out, density is the best.  20' thick concrete walls = and Blue Cheer or Metallica could rehearse next to a Tibetan meditation = temple and no one would blink.  It sounded to me like sound = WITHIN the room was your concern

If you wanna spend money and = look cool, there's all that foam stuff.  Cut it with an = electric knife.  

That Weiner guy who makes the Real = Traps has a good site with info on how to build bass = traps.  

Sometimes just leaving doors open is a good = bass trap.  

Round all corners or fill em with soft = stuff like Owens Corning 704 or the Roxul or foam

Roxul Safe = & Sound is made in Canada and I have 22 two foot by four foot panels = in my recording room. 4" thick.  Worked GREAT for subduing = room reverb.  Don't wanna kill all of it except for = vocals.  A totally dead room is NO FUN to play = in.  Drums sound much better in more live = rooms.  

High ceilings are glorious.  Mine = are 12' now. NO ceilings or walls would be best.

Most rooms have = problems with bass.  I still haven't solved that one but have = learned to live with it and mix around = it.   

There's lots online about bass traps = etc.  I built a bunch and hope to put them up maybe this = winter.  I'm fearful of changing anything in my control room = because it's working so well now.  But I think I'm gonna have = to because I'm drastically revising my whole setup this winter (I = think).  And because record companies etc are so thoroughly = submerged in hype and old husband's tales about sound and what works and = doesn't work.  

I spent a fortune on my old studio on = the east coast.  Hired designer etc.  It was like = working in a coffin.  I hated it.  And it didn't = sound all that much better either and my mixes were = strange.  

So, stay out of coffins until your choices = expire

It's not really rocket science.  Just put up = temporary stuff and see how it works... and = FEELS.  

Probably the very best advice is, if you're = MIXING, get the best monitors you can afford and mix at VERY LOW = volumes.  You can turn it up now and then to make sure the = details are there.  But don't forget to turn it back = down.  And leave the low level alone.   It's = better for your mixes AND the longevity of your = ears.  

Listening at low volume's done more for me than = all the money I've spent on room treatment a million times = over.  Turn it down and give it time.  

I = have ZERO treatment on the walls in my control room now.  They = say it can't work.  But one record we mixed here was on the = Canadian chart last year for nearly a year.   Most of = that time in the top ten.  Songs featured on TV shows etc. = One record got glowing reviews in Spin Magazine a few months ago. So... = it can work. Just takes a little longer. AND... lower = levels.

Listen to lots of different kinds of records in your mix = room so you can know what it's doing.

I use Quested monitors. = Love 'em. I hear Adams are good too.

I hope this helps and = isn't too stupid

good luck!

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.www.richardsales.com
www.hayle= ysales.com     www.joannesales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
www.broombusters.org
On= 16-Aug-08, at 12:08 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote:

In several different dwellings, I've conducted amplified = band rehearsals and
recorded one album, mixed another.  In = each location, I went to all the
neighbors well in advance of the = first event with my business card and told
them to call if the noise = bothered them, and that we would stop immediately.

No one ever = called.  I kept rehearsals to 90 minutes, usually in the = late
afternoon before many are home from work.  Mixing = required some volume at
times (and I confess to liking to test a mix = by walking around the outside
of the house with all the doors and = windows shut), but no one ever
complained.  Offering = consideration and cooperation up front may not work
with everyone in = every situation, but it is a good investment.

dave

But = usually we don't need disco level in our studio, maybe
worrying = about the neighbours is better done with knowing them and
asking for = hours you can make noise without disturbing them too = much...

Stefan




<= br>
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--0-870571164-1220810786=:83738-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 19:29:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6BDB3BE86; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:29:23 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Message-ID: <20080907192923.247020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000901c90cdf$17f285a0$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <000101c90d2d$35295380$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> <002201c90d71$708575f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <001701c90de5$03034e70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <001b01c90de7$08691280$6401a8c0@wolffshookmain> Subject: RC-50 starting off (RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX199OP53zup98OVFrApon6jMdgRRPslUdLcZOEE8nn HcxyNyFA6BVvTcyDNf+Frz095VwE/hkf32tg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 8kevIDc1TlI8LsF+jGlrd69OU2poZZn4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rob well, congrats to your RC-50 purchase. 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Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/wasistshortview.php?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 7 21:07:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B243BE87; Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48C4434F.5070908@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:10:39 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: DIY Music Room sound-proofing References: <48A331AC.1010004@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <48A331AC.1010004@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > ^|>^m schrieb: > >> I'm looking for suitable materials, not schematics... i.e. egg crate >> mattress foam; molds filled with foam; or pad material of some sort. >> Any stories, attempts, or practical experiences appreciated. Gratsi! > > > You name it all, It's not that complicated. I sound proofed a small > cellar with way too low ceiling astonishingly well with a bunch of > leftover foam I got for nothing... 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Presently I am in Paraguay for investment projects with my own share of the total Contract sum. Mean while, I didn't forget your past efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring those funds despite that it failed us some how. Now contact my secretary in Accra Ghana as i stated below follow his instructions: Mr. Frank Yaw Email:revfrankyaw100@yahoo.com Ask him to send you the check what of $950.000.00 which I kept for your compensation for all your past efforts and attempts to assist me in this matter and i have appreciated your past efforts at that time very much.So feel free and get in touched with my secretary Rev.Frank Yaw and instruct him where to send the check to you. Please do let me know immediately you receive it so that we can share the joy together after all the sufferness at that time you trying to help me out. at this moment I am very busy here because of the investment projects which i and my new partner are having at hand, finally, remember that i had forwarded instruction to my secretary on your behalf to receive the check, so feel free to get in touch with Rev.frankyaw to send the check to you without any further delay and try to be honest with him because he is God faring man. With best regards, ADAMS JAMIL --0-65239095-1220886182=:48404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii




My Good Friend,



I'm happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds transferred under the cooperation of a newpartner from Paraguay. Presently I am in Paraguay for investment projects with my own share of the total Contract sum. Mean while, I didn't forget your past efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring those funds despite that it failed us some how. Now contact my secretary in Accra Ghana as i stated below follow his instructions:



Mr. Frank Yaw
Email:revfrankyaw100@yahoo.com



Ask him to send you the check what of $950.000.00 which I kept for your compensation for all your past efforts and attempts to assist me in this matter and i have appreciated your past efforts at that time very much.So feel free and get in touched with my secretary Rev.Frank Yaw and instruct him where to send the check to you. Please do let me know immediately you receive it so that we can share the joy together after all the sufferness at that time you trying to help me out. at this moment I am very busy here because of the investment projects which i and my new partner are having at hand, finally, remember that i had forwarded instruction to my secretary on your behalf to receive the check, so feel
free to get in touch with Rev.frankyaw to send the check to you without any further delay and try to be honest with him because he is God faring man.



With best regards,



ADAMS JAMIL




--0-65239095-1220886182=:48404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 19:56:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421973BE7B; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=iraZGNOmT7cXuItbJunB8sRwoEVUcjSgMA5gQnlB8ma2jSeCYarcxcDes98ge8/NYeBKuuqP0Pn/qmwrm/x+eyjvvnukjQX01FCJyKtTluFrgwcLI5Of720Y2qaxpQiFbci3vGvFhC76+RwlRzAYEiMOJL731B+sqtsaZNhzkVs=; X-YMail-OSG: SM2dXZUVM1nVAS7zbFcNhpds6VFP7lPrabcILaXpjZmqDszSNMnTxlsDPDyl3ZZIvdP__4roqhc1SR3ZhHAkNqVEiSpqEwcQYUZDowgm_R7TejBB7oeyWkJ4kOQ9VrupLWzv7tWbdrvjpMxldbmfNCt7 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: my looping Video show on Public Access TV in Iowa City, IA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080903153837.E1F503BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-700867095-1220903815=:83775" Message-ID: <149372.83775.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-700867095-1220903815=:83775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right before i came back to work in aug, (i have summers off) i turned in to our local Public Access TV my newest Looping show. it's called: "Mr. HappEEE TimEEE's Fun Hour" It's kind of a crazy show, it has this wacky wooden puppet doing intros -i make li'l pop culture references-i think there's one reference to the TV writers strike.... so that show's you the show is a bit old now. i think i did the looping bit back in dec 07, there might be one bit from jan 08, and i think i did the puppet stuff in jan 08, got it edited in to a 1/2 hr show (joke of calling it "fun hour"). the looping stuff i put on this halloween mask-one is a skull , one is a devil, to reference buckhead a little (i had been listening to a lot of him at that time), and used my new guitar at the time, the mahogany collaged guitar w/ feedback microphone and mexi-strat-trem bridge. i think i was using my boss dd20 to do most of the looping at the time. the funny thing i think all my little "live recording sessions" use the same format: usually start w/ abstract-noise (henry kaiser/torn-like) influence, then it morphs into some wacky metal/rock thingy (probably coming from all my 80's influences), then i usually try to end w/ some clean sounding (bad interpretation of) fahey-like stuff...or something like that. i will say one thing: it is very hard to play w/ a mask on, can barely see my effects setups, gets hot after a few minutes, etc. so i don't know how buckethead or the guys from slipknot perform w/ masks on, they are obviously (way) better than i. the other thing, i realized was the Public access channel was still showing my 2 old videos that I made of me looping, b/c i would see friends in town and they would say, "hey, saw you playing guitar on tv the other day." and then i realized that that show was 4 yrs old. so decided to try something new, and had this idea of hiding identity, so you wouldn't see this pathetic old guy playing guitar (ha!). i actually have show # 2 in the can, it just takes me months to deliver them. the new one is in the same vein, but uses my newer guitar (klein-like), and i'm using a boss rc-20 and behringer tweakalizer for looping (and maybe a little of my digitech rp-150). i found that the rc-20 is good for having different things preprogrammed to play to (i keep forgetting to delete everything i've recorded, so hard to use in that mode), and the tweakalizer is good for on-the-fly loops that i use to hand manipulate (i like it and its cheap!). they supposedly told me that sometimes they post their videos to Google Videos, but i haven 't seen it yet. oh well, thought i'd share... happy looping. s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --0-700867095-1220903815=:83775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Right before i came back to work in aug, (i have summers off)
i turned in to our local Public Access TV my newest Looping show.

it's called:
"Mr. HappEEE TimEEE's Fun Hour"

It's kind of a crazy show, it has this wacky wooden puppet doing intros -i make li'l pop culture references-i think there's one reference to the TV writers strike....
so that show's you the show is a bit old now.
i think i did the looping bit back in dec 07, there might be one bit from jan 08, and i think i did the puppet stuff in jan 08, got it edited in to a 1/2 hr show (joke of calling it "fun hour").
the looping stuff i put on this halloween mask-one is a skull , one is a devil, to reference buckhead a little (i had been listening to a lot of him at that time), and used my new guitar at the time, the mahogany collaged guitar w/ feedback microphone and mexi-strat-trem bridge. i think i was using my boss dd20 to do most of the looping at the time.
the funny thing i think all my little "live recording sessions" use the same format:
usually start w/ abstract-noise (henry kaiser/torn-like) influence, then it morphs into some wacky metal/rock thingy (probably coming from all my 80's influences), then i usually try to end w/ some clean sounding (bad interpretation of) fahey-like stuff...or something like that.

i will say one thing: it is very hard to play w/ a mask on, can barely see my effects setups, gets hot after a few minutes, etc. so i don't know how buckethead or the guys from slipknot perform w/ masks on, they are obviously (way) better than i.

the other thing, i realized was the Public access channel was still showing my 2 old videos that I made of me looping, b/c i would see friends in town and they would say, "hey, saw you playing guitar on tv the other day." and then i realized that that show was 4 yrs old. so decided to try something new, and had this idea of hiding identity, so you wouldn't see this pathetic old guy playing guitar (ha!).
i actually have show # 2 in the can, it just takes me months to deliver them. the new one is in the same vein, but uses my newer guitar (klein-like), and i'm using a boss rc-20 and behringer tweakalizer for looping (and maybe a little of my digitech rp-150). i found that the rc-20 is good for having different things preprogrammed to play to (i keep forgetting to delete everything i've recorded, so hard to use in that mode), and the tweakalizer is good for on-the-fly loops that i use to hand manipulate (i like it and its cheap!).
they supposedly told me that sometimes they post their videos to Google Videos, but i haven 't seen it yet.
oh well, thought i'd share...
happy looping.
s---
www.myspace.com/scotthansen



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 20:45:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8603BE79; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KJ0j6YolngVts/nKiLeIMV11SgjQB2WvhsA7bfSeZcskIhBT+vmiQf8Zp4ri+Fww+QYaFgZyQsSbC901HHNUJcdNXihFvT1X7D3QUwnsbhvnX26d4TF242WgZ4xaQarLoF36wM7rf4tV/YXTt6eDTqmyPTB9v/h4LWunWykOUgA=; X-YMail-OSG: w993.XoVM1kGB0JK6isosohN3KgscXR5HLKx.w5Uy9RYNJRo7jJyqrV5K7Dk42jG6uIp90AuhMf4LKQhNcE.y95GCN8DKbsmtRwwPMj6tY7eQH84Fza.zD8_IINitcg- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GIBSON EDP PLUS for sale EBAY DEUTSCHLAND To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <335397.96885.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:45:15 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.de/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-looper-loop-sampler_W0QQitemZ110287371189QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110287371189&_trkparms=72%3A1141%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 20:57:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10BC03BE84; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=R4tn2j8LqqdvH6SAtL3MQYaBekZDzH262+VVFfVFVZBRv+91uOEGS2KlOssN826vJvxVozaXJdHffXROi9s9BlPjhoumdI4KZdDeR/g4Oju+YXOm174crXzSEb9fjMgg3OF9Y8hQ6R2mdgqnLR8Jpb0MYoM1z/Lj3XVPYfgp6vc=; X-YMail-OSG: iOhlV_MVM1mT8wdO3q1jCLeo28BTnmcTAEvQoJurgnXINy5mb9H8z0g1UHe9RkctEw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <287225.67855.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <103129.50244.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey Margaret i just saw your gig schedule i will be in San Diego during this time maybe i can come up and see you I will be performing at the y2kloopfest on thursday as well so if the above doesnt happen maybe we will meet there! cheers Luis (great website!) www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 9/6/08, margaret noble wrote: > From: margaret noble > Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay pedal and bpm > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 2:34 PM > rad, thanks! > > margaret noble - audio artist > website: http://margaretnoble.net/ > free collective net release: > http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test > > upcoming performances > Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: > http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html > Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jeff Duke > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 2:33:24 PM > Subject: Re: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog > delay pedal and bpm > > > Hey Margaret, > > You can try this, http://www.roxis.co.uk/bpm.htm > > And here is a downloadable delay calculator, > > http://www.softpedia.com/downloadTag/bpm+to+millisecond > > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: margaret noble > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:17 PM > Subject: calculating rhythmic synch between analalog delay > pedal and bpm > > hey list! > > i have a tech question here.... > > i own a mooger fooger delay pedal MF-104Z > > i want to set it so the delays are in time with the bpm > output on my drum machine. > > since it is knobs and analog i am wondering if precision > is possible? > > if so, what math do i use to figure out what would sync a > drum machine bpm to a milliseconds knob on a delay pedal? > > thanks in advance! > > > > margaret noble - audio artist > website: http://margaretnoble.net/ > free collective net release: > http://www.archive.org/details/This_Is_Not_A_Test > > upcoming performances > Saturday, Oct 4, San Diego: > http://www.nweamo.org/SD_Venue.html > Saturday, Oct 18, Santa Cruz: http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > > > > ________________________________ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release > Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 23:01:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30F03BE81; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OaPK6_tZfkla6zHG11sA:9 a=sCWg5kW3E-Cynfxsp4_dDMrnCA0A:4 a=PKjY-mI1yN0A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <57565ECD-5B5B-4E04-AB58-ED223494D859@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: FCB mini just arrived!! Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:01:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:01:05 +0000 (UTC) i just got my FCB1010 pedal pack from Bob Charest. i'm in love! its short, light, and has a gorgeous black, bowling-ball-sparkle finish!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 8 23:31:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0523BE7C; Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c9120a$f59eae80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K2 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL queery Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:30:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <5YTQ-C.A.n5.zWbxIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, I'm having a horrific brain fart here, but I can't find any information on the Y2K2 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL in Santa Cruz. I had a catastrophic and unbacked up hard drive failure right after that year and I can't find the poster for the event or the list of performers or the brochure that I'm fairly certain we sent out. Does anyone have copies of either of those mementos that they'd be happy to share with me (hopefully in a .pdf format)? I'd be greatly in your debt. 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