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From: Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
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I don't know what Focus Lock is. I am not trying to create different lengths 
and don't know enough about the Echoplex. I  just want it plain & simple 
lock up looping I need  to assign each sound to it's own amp. But would like 
to control each unit if I feel the need.
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> Hi Per
>
>> "Focus Lock" or assigning tracks to "Groups" in Mobius gives a control
>> of stepping between parallel loops that is similar to using "Scenes"
>> in Live.
>
> I have to try that out. Can't really imagine how it would really keep 
> track of various loops in parallel (different lenghts?). Especially if I 
> want to record parallel loops that are "linked" to each other.
> I have to try it out...
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.I am the artist Synchrony  I now have five Echoplex systems working =
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>.I am the artist Synchrony &nbsp;I 
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to be fine. However I liked being able to control the other units now &amp; then 
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4 become the slave's and follow the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal witch I 
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only one pedal for all five when&nbsp;they are in a midi daisy chain. If so why 
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   When you say 'acting strange' what exactly do you mean?=85

   Brother synching them all in addition to middi, might also be =20
something to consider.

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On May 31, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:

> .I am the artist Synchrony  I now have five Echoplex systems working =20=

> together. One is the master it controls the other four with midi out =20=

> to midi in-out-in so on That works fine. But the other day they =20
> started acting strange could not control them at times =20
> Intermittently I use the master or #1 to control all them but I had =20=

> hooked up pedals to all of them. I unplugged the pedals from #2-3 & =20=

> 4 and things seam to be fine. However I liked being able to control =20=

> the other units now & then For example my key board is in #2 when I =20=

> punch in record from pedal #2 #3 & 4 become the slave's and follow =20
> the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal witch I have my Bass into =20
> then #4 becomes the slave. I am telling you this because keeping =20
> pedals on all the Echoplex unites did work for a wile and I find it =20=

> best for having better control. Are they designed to do it? or do I =20=

> have to only use only one pedal for all five when they are in a midi =20=

> daisy chain. If so why did the work at all with all 5 pedals for a =20
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fine. But the other day they started acting strange could not control =
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#2-3 &amp; 4 and things seam to be fine. However I liked being able to =
control the other units now &amp; then For example my key board is in #2 =
when I punch in record from pedal #2 #3 &amp; 4 become the slave's and =
follow the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal witch I have my Bass into =
then #4 becomes the slave. I am telling you this because keeping pedals =
on all the Echoplex unites did work for a wile and I find it best for =
having better control. Are they designed to do it? or do I have to only =
use only one pedal for all five when&nbsp;they are in a midi daisy =
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hi Joseph,
There's folks on this list who'll gladly help you sort this.
...but please explain the problem fully.

If you tell us how you're set up used to work,
detailing all connections.
..and any EDP settings that you changed from the factory setup.
..what sort of "pedal" you use.
..and we definitely need to know the Sync settings on the EDPs

Then tell us what it does now (and any changed connections).
(you may like to split the text into paragraphs ;-)


In the meantime, try putting each EDP onto a different Midi Channel.
(but that's just a guess, based on what I think you might be doing)

andy butler







Joseph Tufariello wrote:
> .I am the artist Synchrony  I now have five Echoplex systems working 
> together. One is the master it controls the other four with midi out to 
> midi in-out-in so on That works fine. But the other day they started 
> acting strange could not control them at times Intermittently I use the 
> master or #1 to control all them but I had hooked up pedals to all of 
> them. I unplugged the pedals from #2-3 & 4 and things seam to be fine. 
> However I liked being able to control the other units now & then For 
> example my key board is in #2 when I punch in record from pedal #2 #3 & 
> 4 become the slave's and follow the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal 
> witch I have my Bass into then #4 becomes the slave. I am telling you 
> this because keeping pedals on all the Echoplex unites did work for a 
> wile and I find it best for having better control. Are they designed to 
> do it? or do I have to only use only one pedal for all five when they 
> are in a midi daisy chain. If so why did the work at all with all 5 
> pedals for a while?  Please if anyone knows what to do let me know.   
> Joe T www.synchrony1com <http://www.synchrony1com>

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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080531.html

The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts.  When I am at the helm, expect
to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an
eclectic mix of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on
WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow
every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                Show #131                May 31, 2008.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
isses came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
http://sequencesmagazine.com


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
VA [Wiehahn & Piper] Fairy River          Sequences No. 2
VA [Pegasus]         Everest              Sequences No. 2
VA [Giles Reaves]    Evolutions/Twilight  Sequences No. 2
Ricochet Gathering   Part 2               Grand Prismatic Spring
                                            (Ricochet Dream)
Padilla and Murphy   Stellar Nursery      Analog Destination (Groove)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Pre-empted by Phases I and III.


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Jupiter Society      The Pilot            First Contact/Last Warning
                                            (Fosfor Creation)
Jupiter Society      Bismarck Explorer    First Contact/Last Warning
                                            (Fosfor Creation)
Jeavestone           Daytime Escape       Spices, Species & Poetry
                                            Petrol (Presence)
Neal Morse           Interlude            Testimony (Radiant)
Neal Morse           The Prince of the    Testimony (Radiant)
                       Power of Air
NDV                  The Waters Edge      Live & Acoustic (none)
Dixie Dregs          Cruise Control       Bring 'Em Back Alive
                                            (Capricorn)
Daryl Stuermer       Morning Train        Rewired (Unicorn)


 * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.

Bill
======================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00).
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
"Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links
at the top right corner of the page or go directly to:
rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or
http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram
Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
======================================================================
The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of
Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to
post playlists or track airplay?  The progdj list solves that problem.

The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD
and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio
programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO
SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any
hint of it.

The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label
personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing
what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the
radio? Go to the progdj list.

To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the
[Join This Group!] link.
======================================================================

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No being able to control the record cycle it was intermittent.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Cara Quinn=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:04 AM
  Subject: Re: What to do with 5


    When you say 'acting strange' what exactly do you mean?=85 =20


    Brother synching them all in addition to middi, might also be =
something to consider. =20


  Smiles,


  Cara  :)




  On May 31, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:


    .I am the artist Synchrony  I now have five Echoplex systems working =
together. One is the master it controls the other four with midi out to =
midi in-out-in so on That works fine. But the other day they started =
acting strange could not control them at times Intermittently I use the =
master or #1 to control all them but I had hooked up pedals to all of =
them. I unplugged the pedals from #2-3 & 4 and things seam to be fine. =
However I liked being able to control the other units now & then For =
example my key board is in #2 when I punch in record from pedal #2 #3 & =
4 become the slave's and follow the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal =
witch I have my Bass into then #4 becomes the slave. I am telling you =
this because keeping pedals on all the Echoplex unites did work for a =
wile and I find it best for having better control. Are they designed to =
do it? or do I have to only use only one pedal for all five when they =
are in a midi daisy chain. If so why did the work at all with all 5 =
pedals for a while?  Please if anyone knows what to do let me know.   =
Joe T www.synchrony1com


  ---
  View my Online Portfolio at:
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Hi Bill Fox I would love to be on the show I have won some international 
song contest for what I do. I am the artist Synchrony
The sound is like floating in the clouds on a Harley laced with a flavor of 
Enya, Zeppelin, Floyd and the Who. I reach out to the population of people 
who are sick of commercial radio and all it stands for. I am a believer in 
the spirit of life and my music celebrates being alive.  I am Outside The 
Mainstream so is your show.

 I would be a perfect artist for you program thank you Joseph T Lor 
www.synchrony1.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Fox" <billyfox@soundscapes.us>
To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:29 AM
Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 31, 2008


> http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080531.html
>
> The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts.  When I am at the helm, expect
> to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an
> eclectic mix of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on
> WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow
> every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.
>
>                Show #131                May 31, 2008.
>
> On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
> magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
> isses came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
> thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
> slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
> http://sequencesmagazine.com
>
>
> Phase I/Space:
>
> ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
> ==================== ==================== ==============================
> VA [Wiehahn & Piper] Fairy River          Sequences No. 2
> VA [Pegasus]         Everest              Sequences No. 2
> VA [Giles Reaves]    Evolutions/Twilight  Sequences No. 2
> Ricochet Gathering   Part 2               Grand Prismatic Spring
>                                            (Ricochet Dream)
> Padilla and Murphy   Stellar Nursery      Analog Destination (Groove)
>
>
> Phase II/Eclectic:
>
> ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
> ==================== ==================== ==============================
> Pre-empted by Phases I and III.
>
>
> Phase III/Progressive Rock:
>
> ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
> ==================== ==================== ==============================
> Jupiter Society      The Pilot            First Contact/Last Warning
>                                            (Fosfor Creation)
> Jupiter Society      Bismarck Explorer    First Contact/Last Warning
>                                            (Fosfor Creation)
> Jeavestone           Daytime Escape       Spices, Species & Poetry
>                                            Petrol (Presence)
> Neal Morse           Interlude            Testimony (Radiant)
> Neal Morse           The Prince of the    Testimony (Radiant)
>                       Power of Air
> NDV                  The Waters Edge      Live & Acoustic (none)
> Dixie Dregs          Cruise Control       Bring 'Em Back Alive
>                                            (Capricorn)
> Daryl Stuermer       Morning Train        Rewired (Unicorn)
>
>
> * = excerpt
> ++ = Advanced CDR from artist
> VA = Various Artists (compilation)
>
> On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
> come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.
>
> Bill
> ======================================================================
> Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00).
> Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
> "Beyond the Barriers."
> Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
> Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
> Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
> Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
> http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links
> at the top right corner of the page or go directly to:
> rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or
> http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram
> Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
> RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
> Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
> ======================================================================
> The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of
> Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to
> post playlists or track airplay?  The progdj list solves that problem.
>
> The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD
> and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio
> programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO
> SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any
> hint of it.
>
> The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label
> personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing
> what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the
> radio? Go to the progdj list.
>
> To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the
> [Join This Group!] link.
> ======================================================================
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The EDP Brothersync was designed to allow a variety of connection scenarios=
,
and not necessarily enforce a fixed master/slave relationship.  If you have
multiple EDP's connected, you have to make a few decisions about the
intended sync scenario.

With five connected together, I'd expect that if you're working in
traditional "song" structures that you want all of them to relate to a
common base loop length, so that any loop on any machine can be expressed a=
s
an even multiple the base loop.  It gets tricky when ANY machine can define
the base loop depending on your settings.  Another potential issue, if
you're trying to use one MIDI controller to control all five EDP's, is
preventing collision of the MIDI commands (also assuming that you want
independent control of each box).  Once you've defined a loop on one EDP,
the other sync'ed boxes won't reset their sync start point until a full loo=
p
cycle has passed on the "temporary master" EDP.  Your EDP #1 has no inheren=
t
"precedence" in determining the master base loop length unless you set the
system up that way.

Several people on the list have done this with three EDP's running off one
controller, but I believe the only person who's done much work with five at
once is Andre LaFosse, who's no longer on the list.

TH

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
wrote:

>  No being able to control the record cycle it was intermittent.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Cara Quinn <Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net>
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: What to do with 5
>
>   When you say 'acting strange' what exactly do you mean?=85
>   Brother synching them all in addition to middi, might also be something
> to consider.
> Smiles,
>
> Cara  :)
>
>
>  On May 31, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:
>
>   .I am the artist Synchrony  I now have five Echoplex systems working
> together. One is the master it controls the other four with midi out to m=
idi
> in-out-in so on That works fine. But the other day they started acting
> strange could not control them at times Intermittently I use the master o=
r
> #1 to control all them but I had hooked up pedals to all of them. I
> unplugged the pedals from #2-3 & 4 and things seam to be fine. However I
> liked being able to control the other units now & then For example my key
> board is in #2 when I punch in record from pedal #2 #3 & 4 become the
> slave's and follow the #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal witch I have m=
y
> Bass into then #4 becomes the slave. I am telling you this because keepin=
g
> pedals on all the Echoplex unites did work for a wile and I find it best =
for
> having better control. Are they designed to do it? or do I have to only u=
se
> only one pedal for all five when they are in a midi daisy chain. If so wh=
y
> did the work at all with all 5 pedals for a while?  Please if anyone know=
s
> what to do let me know.   Joe T www.synchrony1com
>
>
>   ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn
>
>

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The EDP Brothersync was designed to allow a variety of connection scenarios=
, and not necessarily enforce a fixed master/slave relationship.&nbsp; If y=
ou have multiple EDP&#39;s connected, you have to make a few decisions abou=
t the intended sync scenario.&nbsp; <br>
<br>With five connected together, I&#39;d expect that if you&#39;re working=
 in traditional &quot;song&quot; structures that you want all of them to re=
late to a common base loop length, so that any loop on any machine can be e=
xpressed as an even multiple the base loop.&nbsp; It gets tricky when ANY m=
achine can define the base loop depending on your settings.&nbsp; Another p=
otential issue, if you&#39;re trying to use one MIDI controller to control =
all five EDP&#39;s, is preventing collision of the MIDI commands (also assu=
ming that you want independent control of each box).&nbsp; Once you&#39;ve =
defined a loop on one EDP, the other sync&#39;ed boxes won&#39;t reset thei=
r sync start point until a full loop cycle has passed on the &quot;temporar=
y master&quot; EDP.&nbsp; Your EDP #1 has no inherent &quot;precedence&quot=
; in determining the master base loop length unless you set the system up t=
hat way.<br>
<br>Several people on the list have done this with three EDP&#39;s running =
off one controller, but I believe the only person who&#39;s done much work =
with five at once is Andre LaFosse, who&#39;s no longer on the list.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jo=
seph Tufariello &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:synchro1@optonline.net">synchro1@opto=
nline.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bord=
er-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-l=
eft: 1ex;">






<div style=3D"" bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">No being able to con=
trol the record=20
cycle it was intermittent.</font></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c=
">
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); pad=
ding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -=
moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -m=
oz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-he=
ight: normal; font-size-adjust: none;">
<b>From:</b>=20
  <a title=3D"Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net" href=3D"mailto:Cara-Quinn@earthlink=
.net" target=3D"_blank">Cara=20
  Quinn</a> </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" hre=
f=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-=
Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>=20
  </div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:04=20
AM</div>
  <div style=3D"font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: norma=
l; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adj=
ust: none;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: What to do with 5</div>
  <div><br></div>&nbsp;&nbsp;When you say &#39;acting strange&#39; what exa=
ctly do you=20
  mean?=85 &nbsp;
  <div><br></div>
  <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;Brother synching them all in addition to middi, might al=
so be=20
  something to consider. &nbsp;
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Smiles,</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Cara &nbsp;:)</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br>
  <div>
  <div>On May 31, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:</div><br>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; f=
ont-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; text-transform=
: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-indent: 0px; white-space: normal; letter-=
spacing: normal; border-collapse: separate;">
    <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
    <div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">
    <div><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">.I am the artist=
 Synchrony=20
    &nbsp;I now have five Echoplex systems&nbsp;working together. One is th=
e=20
    master it controls the other four with midi out to midi in-out-in so on=
 That=20
    works fine. But the other day they started acting strange could not con=
trol=20
    them at times Intermittently I use the master or #1 to control all them=
 but=20
    I had hooked up pedals to all of them. I unplugged the pedals from #2-3=
=20
    &amp; 4 and things seam to be fine. However I liked being able to contr=
ol=20
    the other units now &amp; then For example my key board is in #2 when I=
=20
    punch in record from pedal #2 #3 &amp; 4 become the slave&#39;s and fol=
low the=20
    #2 keyboard. Or if I punch #3 pedal witch I have my Bass into then #4=
=20
    becomes the slave. I am telling you this because keeping pedals on all =
the=20
    Echoplex unites did work for a wile and I find it best for having bette=
r=20
    control. Are they designed to do it? or do I have to only use only one =
pedal=20
    for all five when&nbsp;they are in a midi daisy chain. If so why did th=
e=20
    work at all with all&nbsp;5 pedals for a while?&nbsp; Please if anyone =
knows=20
    what to do let me know.&nbsp;&nbsp; Joe T<span>&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"=
http://www.synchrony1com" target=3D"_blank">www.synchrony1com</a></font></d=
iv></font></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br>
  <div><span style=3D"word-spacing: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-style=
: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-=
height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; text-transform: none; color: rgb(0,=
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er-collapse: separate;">
  <div style=3D"">
  <div style=3D"">
  <div style=3D"">
  <div>---</div>
  <div>View my Online Portfolio at:</div>
  <div><a href=3D"http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn</a>&nbsp;</div></div></div></div></=
span></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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Just wandering how great was it?
Some people attending in the forum?
Tell us...
Some snack audio samples available, not yet?

Can't wait !
Raul.

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Just wandering how great was it?<br>Some people attending in the forum?<br>Tell us...<br>Some snack audio samples available, not yet?<br><br>Can&#39;t wait !<br>Raul.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>
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Cara Quinn schrieb:
> So can you tell me a bit more about what you're suggesting?  I'd love 
> to learn more about it, if you wouldn't mind.  :)

If you build or let build your own looper software in Max/MSP, you could 
add whatever user feedback you need. It would not need VoiceOver at all. 
With your customized interface you could let the patch tell you with the 
voice of your mum the state of your patch. (you have to record it before 
though...). In Max 5 there is even an object for mousing over whatever, 
which can be used for this purpose...

I usually try to setup my own software in a way, that I don't need the 
screen to see its state, but I do have leds on my faderbox...

I don't know about vst's, but if you have specific ones, you can prepare 
their control with Max as well...

Max itself isn't really easy for visually impaired, and I doubt its at 
all programmable for completely blind people. It is a visual programming 
language, but is should be possible that somebody does it for you...

In Max 5 you can at least zoom in as much as you want...

Stefan

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I have an Axe (Ultra) and while I think the users on the Axe forum tend to
gush the unit is pretty fantastic. The looper would probably do little to
satisfy anyone with experience with an EDP or a Repeater - both of which I
have - but is a fun little add on. Andy I think you are wrong about the
ability to have the units fx sync via midi as the tempo can be assigned to
an external midi controller and all the time based effects can be locked or
not to the master tempo. For me the somewhat small drawbacks are that you
can run out of processing power even with the Ultra, although it takes quite
a lot. The tuner mutes the output of the effects, so if you have along washy
delay/verb thing it cuts out if you go to tune, minor but it would be nice
to have a choice. The unit has modifiers such as LFOs, ADSR, Sequencer etc,
which it would be nice to have more of, as to do say a stepped phaser like
on the GT-pro you have to use the sequencer of which there is only one,
again a fairly minor complaint. I would also love to see a A/B feature like
on the MPX-G2 or lexicon Vortex.

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I have an Axe (Ultra) and while I think the users on the Axe forum tend to =
gush the unit is pretty fantastic. The looper would probably do little to s=
atisfy anyone with experience with an EDP or a Repeater - both of which I h=
ave - but is a fun little add on. Andy I think you are wrong about the abil=
ity to have the units fx sync via midi as the tempo can be assigned to an e=
xternal midi controller and all the time based effects can be locked or not=
 to the master tempo. For me the somewhat small drawbacks are that you can =
run out of processing power even with the Ultra, although it takes quite a =
lot. The tuner mutes the output of the effects, so if you have along washy =
delay/verb thing it cuts out if you go to tune, minor but it would be nice =
to have a choice. The unit has modifiers such as LFOs, ADSR, Sequencer etc,=
 which it would be nice to have more of, as to do say a stepped phaser like=
 on the GT-pro you have to use the sequencer of which there is only one, ag=
ain a fairly minor complaint. I would also love to see a A/B feature like o=
n the MPX-G2 or lexicon Vortex.

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> Just wandering how great was it? 
 
I would say it was a great success. Big fun. Everything was recorded and
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What do you mean?
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  Just wandering how great was it?
  Some people attending in the forum?
  Tell us...
  Some snack audio samples available, not yet?

  Can't wait !
  Raul.

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oh really good news.. so now heading to Berlin.
have a great weekend in Berlin too.

we'll wait for your reports Michael!

raul.

2008/6/2 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:

>  > Just wandering how great was it?
>
> I would say it was a great success. Big fun. Everything was recorded and
> also videotaped, but it will take some time to prepare recordings for
> publication.
>
> Looking forward now to the Berlin festival
>
> -Michael
>



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oh really good news.. so now heading to Berlin.<br>have a great weekend in Berlin too.<br><br>we&#39;ll wait for your reports Michael!<br><br>raul.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/2 Michael Peters &lt;<a href="mailto:mp@mpeters.de">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt;:<br>
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<div><div class="Ih2E3d">
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">&gt;&nbsp;</font></span>Just wandering how great was it?<span><font face="Arial" size="2">&nbsp;</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span>&nbsp;</div>
</div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">I 
would say it was a great success. Big fun. Everything was recorded and also 
videotaped, but it will take some time&nbsp;to prepare recordings for 
publication.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">Looking forward now to the Berlin festival</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span></span>&nbsp;</div><font color="#888888">
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">-Michael</font>&nbsp;</span></div></font></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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chris young wrote:
> I have an Axe (Ultra) and while I think the users on the Axe forum tend 
> to gush the unit is pretty fantastic. The looper would probably do 
> little to satisfy anyone with experience with an EDP or a Repeater - 
> both of which I have - but is a fun little add on. 


> Andy I think you are 
> wrong about the ability to have the units fx sync via midi as the tempo 
> can be assigned to an external midi controller and all the time based 
> effects can be locked or not to the master tempo. 


you're quite right!
easy to overlook it in the manual:-

"TEMPO - Sets the current System Tempo. Whenever a tempo is entered, whether via this control
or by tapping or by MIDI clock, the System and Global Tempos are set to this value. The Global
Tempo is not affected by the tempo stored with a preset when the preset is recalled and remains in
effect."

sorry to mislead

andy butler

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Joseph Tufariello wrote:
> Hi Bill Fox I would love to be on the show I have won some 
> international song contest for what I do. I am the artist Synchrony
> The sound is like floating in the clouds on a Harley laced with a 
> flavor of Enya, Zeppelin, Floyd and the Who. I reach out to the 
> population of people who are sick of commercial radio and all it 
> stands for. I am a believer in the spirit of life and my music 
> celebrates being alive.  I am Outside The Mainstream so is your show.
> I would be a perfect artist for you program thank you Joseph T Lor 
> www.synchrony1.com
Dear Josef and anyone else who might be interested,

I have three different programs.  Galactic Travels features electronic, 
ambient and spacemusic.  Afterglow features 30 minutes eclectic mix 
(strong emphasis on New Age, World Music, acoustic [piano, guitar, etc.] 
but not limited to these since I will drift into many other genres), 
followed by 60 minutes of Progressive Rock.  The AM/FM Show features all 
of these genres.

Now that you know what I do and what styles I play on each program, you 
can read my blogs where I outline how to submit music to be considered 
for airplay.  The blogs at my Afterglow and Galactic Travels MySpace 
pages are the same as the one that I have on blogspot where I publish 
playlists for all of my shows.
<http://billfox.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-get-airplay-on-one-of-my-shows.html>
or
<http://tinyurl.com/5n7jnn>
This blog covers all of my shows so when you send me music, please be 
sure to include a note to tell me which show(s) you are targeting or 
which genre of music your music fits... if any!  :)  Saying that you're 
a member of LD won't improve your chances of getting airplay but I will 
pay attention to your music sooner.

Sorry, but I cannot return any materials or respond to questions like:
Did you get my music?
Will it get airplay?
Will you notify me when it will air?
It would be impossible for me to answer these questions for everyone so 
I answer them for no one.  Previewing music, preparing shows, presenting 
shows, and posting playlists to mailing lists, websites, MySpace, and 
blogs already consume a huge amount of time.  I do need time to loop, 
compose, rehearse in four bands, perform, and live a normal life, 
whatever that is!  :)

Cheers,

Bill

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  TOYOTA INTERNATIONAL LOTTO (HEADQUARTER) 
Customer Service Department Affiliate of Toyota Japan. 
#28 Kanashiwa road Tokyo JP
  TEL:+31-453-86547-6535377
DEAR SIR/MADAM,
  
  
  We are pleased to inform you of the announcement made today, You are among the winners of the TOYOTA CAR SCHOLARSHIP INTERNATIONAL PROMOTION PROGRAM Participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn from 2,500,000 email addresses of individuals and companies from all part of the
 world as part of our electronic business Promotions Program. 
  
As a result of your visiting various websites we are running the e-business promotions for. You/Your Company email address, attached to ticket number 896-781-6767, with serial number 374-18 drew the lucky numbers 2,5,9,22,31,33 and Bonus number 12 , Your INSURANCE Number: FLD674/ 8936 /GMSA and
 consequently you won in the Second Category of the TOYOTA FORTUNE LOTTO DRAW. 

You have therefore been approved for the payment of the sum of US$500, 000, 00 in cash, including a Toyota camry car which is the winning present /amount for the Second category winners . This is from the total prize money of US$4,650,000.00 shared among the international winners in the Second
 category. 
  
  CONGRATULATIONS!!! 

Please be informed that your CHEQUE of the sum of US$500,000.00 is now with the payee center. Contact your agent and give them your full names so that they will re-insure your winning under your full names. Together with the port where your winning car should be ship to. 

To begin your claim, please call your claim agent or send email immediately. Mr. David Chinbej
  reply to your agent immediately. 
  EMAIL:  chinbej@yahoo.co.jp
   
  TOYOTA CLAIMING SECURITY AGENCY
  once again we say congratulation 
  NOTE:  In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, Please quote your 
  
1. Full name
2. Address / contact number
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4. Occupation
5. AGE
  6. EMAIL. 
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Sincerely reply to your agent immediately,
  V.P FINANCE
  Mr. DAVID CHINBEJ
        Our First Quarter Winner Mrs. Lucy Bailay from Australia receiving her winning  cheque  of US$ 500,000.00 also on the picture is her husband and friends rejoicing with them
 
 

 
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DEAR SIR/MADAM,</SPAN></SPAN></B></SPAN></DIV>  <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN class=style12><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></B></SPAN></DIV>  <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Hi Loopers,

My nephew is learning how to play bass, and I want to get him an amp.

Do any of you have recommendations for bass amps that:

1) have a headphone jack (to save his parents)
2) a 12 year old can lift
3) you can satisfyingly play Black Sabbath through (his favorite band)

I'll take any recommendations off-list so as not to clutter!!

Thank you!!

celloly, Zoe

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On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival
<khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> Thank you!  I am sitting here now and just numbed by the afterglow and
> aftermath. What a crazy week! Excellent event, and I'm so glad Kybermusik
> worked out at the Record Exchange.
>
> Kris


Fantastic event, Kris! thank you!  I'm still amazed the Ninjam session
turned out so musical! I didn't know it is possible to achieve a
collective sense of direction in network improvisation with one bar
delay - but I stand corrected after being sent a mp3 of a Ninjam
session.

Also a great thanks to Rainer!

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

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This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1
diabetes<http://www.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=14AF69BC-BE51-42DA-B1B41955029FBC7F>either
themselves or in their immediate family?

If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?

My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin pump
system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative input
that you might care to offer.

Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather discuss
but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
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Thanks.

Jim

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<div>This is def&#39;ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does anyone in the LD&nbsp;community that cares to share info, have <a href="http://www.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&amp;page_id=14AF69BC-BE51-42DA-B1B41955029FBC7F">Type 1 diabetes</a> either themselves or in their immediate family?</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.&nbsp; We do &quot;tight control&quot; insulin injection therapy.&nbsp; We are making plans to move to an insulin pump system this summer for her and I&#39;m interested in any positive/negative input that you might care to offer.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I&#39;d much rather discuss but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I wanted to poll the list for thoughts.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a> <br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com">http://www.melbay.com</a> </div>

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Hi Jim, i went type 1 in 2000. the doc suggested the pump but I've been resistant....just because of my preference  not because it would be better for me, It would probably be easier to manage with the pump.  If i had a child with type 1 i wouldn't hesitate to get the pump..its easier to get used to it when your young.    as for me I'm close enough to worm food not to mess with it...just as long as my looper foot doesn't go numb  ;-) ..   kyle

Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote: This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes either themselves or in their immediate family?
   
 If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
  
 My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control" insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin pump system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative input that you might care to offer.
   
 Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather discuss but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
  
 Thanks.
  
 Jim





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Hi Jim, i went type 1 in 2000. the doc suggested the pump but I've been resistant....just because of my preference  not because it would be better for me, It would probably be easier to manage with the pump.&nbsp; If i had a child with type 1 i wouldn't hesitate to get the pump..its easier to get used to it when your young.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as for me I'm close enough to worm food not to mess with it...just as long as my looper foot doesn't go numb&nbsp; ;-) ..&nbsp;&nbsp; kyle<br><br><b><i>Jim Goodin &lt;jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div>This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does anyone in the LD&nbsp;community that cares to share info, have <a href="http://www.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&amp;page_id=14AF69BC-BE51-42DA-B1B41955029FBC7F">Type 1 diabetes</a> either themselves or in their immediate
 family?</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.&nbsp; We do "tight control" insulin injection therapy.&nbsp; We are making plans to move to an insulin pump system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative input that you might care to offer.</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather discuss but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I wanted to poll the list for thoughts.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Thanks.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Jim<br clear="all"><br></div></blockquote><br><BR><BR><div> <address><font color="#bf00bf" size="4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131</address> <address>&nbsp;</address> <address><a
 href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </a><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(64, 64, 255);">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</span> </span><br><br><br><br></address></div>
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Not to mention that all women who see the unit seem to uncontrollably start
dancing and saying "bum chika wow wow!"

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

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> chris young wrote:
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>> I have an Axe (Ultra) and while I think the users on the Axe forum tend to
>> gush the unit is pretty fantastic. The looper would probably do little to
>> satisfy anyone with experience with an EDP or a Repeater - both of which I
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Not to mention that all women who see the unit seem to uncontrollably start dancing and saying &quot;bum chika wow wow!&quot;<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:19 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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I have an Axe (Ultra) and while I think the users on the Axe forum tend to gush the unit is pretty fantastic. The looper would probably do little to satisfy anyone with experience with an EDP or a Repeater - both of which I have - but is a fun little add on. <br>

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Hi Jim:

I happen to work at Medtronic Diabetes in Northridge, California and I  
work at the 24 hour helpline assisting customers with their insulin  
pumps.  The minimum age to use one of our pumps is 7 years, therefore,  
your daughter may qualify.  I receive at least two calls per day from  
customers telling us how happy they are with our insulin pumps as it  
provides tighter control than they had before.  I've had customers  
with A1C's over 10 who now have A1C's in the 6.0 to 7.0 range!  News  
like that brings tears to my eyes!

Imagine only having to insert an infusion set once every three days  
instead of daily manual injections!

If interested, please call Medtronic Diabetes at (800) 646-4633 then  
press option "3" to get through to one of our pump therapy specialists.


Thanks,

Sheila
On Jun 2, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but  
> does anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type  
> 1 diabetes either themselves or in their immediate family?
>
> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>
> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight  
> control" insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to  
> an insulin pump system this summer for her and I'm interested in any  
> positive/negative input that you might care to offer.
>
> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather  
> discuss but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty  
> open and I wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> -- 
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> www.jimgoodinmusic.com
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> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
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> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
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> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull  
> Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by  
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Hi Jim

We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
normal life.

Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
cure Diabetes.

Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
cure in children.

Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.

If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com

Regards

Byron


On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes
> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>
> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>
> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin pump
> system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative input
> that you might care to offer.
>
> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather discuss
> but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
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FYI.....type 1 is not"insulin resistance'....supplements help a lot more with type 2...a least as i understand it...two different birds

Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Jim

We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
normal life.

Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
cure Diabetes.

Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
cure in children.

Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.

If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com

Regards

Byron


On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin  wrote:
> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes
> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>
> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>
> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"


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 also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to<br>cure Diabetes.<br><br>Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino<br>acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the<br>most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.<br>Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to<br>cure in children.<br><br>Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity<br>when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.<br><br>If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my<br>Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com<br><br>Regards<br><br>Byron<br><br><br>On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:<br>&gt; This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does<br>&gt; anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes<br>&gt; either themselves or in their immediate
 family?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"<br></jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com></blockquote><br>
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To all thanks for the input so far, I had a feeling in some way some in the
community might be dealing with or have some relation.  I'll follow-up with
each of individually but wanted to at the least acknowledge the input which
I greatly appreciate each of you opening up about.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, K D Patten <kdpatten@yahoo.com> wrote:

> FYI.....type 1 is not"insulin resistance'....supplements help a lot more
> with type 2...a least as i understand it...two different birds
>
>
> *Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>  Hi Jim
>
> We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
> certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
> quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
> field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
> www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
> reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
> have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
> insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
> contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
> normal life.
>
> Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
> cure Diabetes.
>
> Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
> acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
> most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
> Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
> cure in children.
>
> Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
> when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.
>
> If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
> Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>
> Regards
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:
> > This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
> > anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes
> > either themselves or in their immediate family?
> >
> > If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
> >
> > My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8. We do "tight control"
>
>
>


-- 
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http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
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<div>To all thanks for the input so far, I had a feeling in some way some in the community might be dealing with or have some relation.&nbsp; I&#39;ll follow-up with each of individually but wanted to at the least acknowledge the input which I greatly appreciate each of you opening up about.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, K D Patten &lt;<a href="mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com">kdpatten@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">FYI.....type 1 is not&quot;insulin resistance&#39;....supplements help a lot more with type 2...a least as i understand it...two different birds 
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><b><i>Byron Howell &lt;<a href="mailto:howell.byron@gmail.com" target="_blank">howell.byron@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:</div></div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c">Hi Jim<br><br>We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing<br>certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving<br>quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the<br>
field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens<br>www,<a href="http://treeoflife.nu/diabetes" target="_blank">treeoflife.nu/diabetes</a>, who has had huge success in completely<br>reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also<br>
have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing<br>insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest<br>contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a<br>normal life.<br>
<br>Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to<br>cure Diabetes.<br><br>Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino<br>acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the<br>
most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.<br>Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to<br>cure in children.<br><br>Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity<br>
when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.<br><br>If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my<br>Fiance Kirsten at <a href="mailto:Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com" target="_blank">Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com</a><br>
<br>Regards<br><br>Byron<br><br><br></div></div>
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin wrote:<br>&gt; This is def&#39;ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does<br>&gt; anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes<br>
&gt; either themselves or in their immediate family?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8. We do &quot;tight control&quot;<br>
</div></blockquote><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a> <br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com">http://www.melbay.com</a> 

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Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping 
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If I understand your question,

'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time' is 
redundant, at least in case of sampling
sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real 
Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the 
information of  what do you do with those samples.
You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.

Cheers,
Michal

Matt Stevens wrote:
> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live 
> Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy 
> butler)?
>
> Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an email a 
> few days ago!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
>
>
>
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If I understand your question,<br>
<br>
'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time'
is redundant, at least in case of sampling<br>
sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real
Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.<br>
Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the
information of&nbsp; what do you do with those samples.<br>
You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Michal<br>
<br>
Matt Stevens wrote:
<blockquote
 cite="mid:DD0C24CD-2D59-4759-843A-09D4935CA3D4@btinternet.com"
 type="cite">Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to
Live Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy
butler)?
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>Just wondered? &nbsp;Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an
email a few days ago!</div>
</blockquote>
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 cite="mid:DD0C24CD-2D59-4759-843A-09D4935CA3D4@btinternet.com"
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  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div>Any thoughts?</div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
  <div><br>
  </div>
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mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!

Matt Stevens
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On 3 Jun 2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:

> If I understand your question,
>
> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real  
> Time' is redundant, at least in case of sampling
> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non  
> Real Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the  
> information of  what do you do with those samples.
> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>
> Cheers,
> Michal
>
> Matt Stevens wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping 
>> (apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?
>>
>> Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an  
>> email a few days ago!
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Matt Stevens
>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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live sampling would make some people believe you're just using sampled pre
recorded sounds live. looping to me suggests all live created sounds

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Matt Stevens <
mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:

> mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Jun 2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:
>
> If I understand your question,
>
> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time' is
> redundant, at least in case of sampling
> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real Time
> Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the
> information of  what do you do with those samples.
> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>
> Cheers,
> Michal
>
> Matt Stevens wrote:
>
> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping(apart
> from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?
>  Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an email a few
> days ago!
>
>
>  Any thoughts?
>
>
>   Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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live sampling would make some people believe you&#39;re just using sampled pre recorded sounds live. looping to me suggests all live created sounds<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Matt Stevens &lt;<a href="mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
mmm &nbsp;Live Sampling - thats good!<div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><div> <span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>
Matt Stevens</div><div><a href="http://www.mattstevensguitar.com" target="_blank">www.mattstevensguitar.com</a></div><div><a href="mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com" target="_blank">mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com</a></div>
<div><br></div></span><br></span><br> </div><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><div>On 3 Jun 2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">  If I understand your question,<br>
 <br> &#39;Real Time Sampling&#39; seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term &#39;Real Time&#39; is redundant, at least in case of sampling<br> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite &#39;Non Real Time Sampling&#39;, which is an oxymoron.<br>
 Now, &#39;Live sampling&#39; would be a bit better, but it doesn&#39;t give the information of&nbsp; what do you do with those samples.<br> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Michal<br> <br>
 Matt Stevens wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?  <div><br>  </div>  <div>Just wondered? &nbsp;Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an email a few days ago!</div>
 </blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">  <div><br>  </div>  <div>Any thoughts?</div>  <div><br>  </div>  <div><br>  </div>  <div>  <div> <span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">  <div>
Matt Stevens</div>  <div><a href="http://www.mattstevensguitar.com" target="_blank">www.mattstevensguitar.com</a></div>  <div><a href="mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com" target="_blank">mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com</a></div>
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I suppose one could argue that all loops are samples but not all  
samples are loops.  I like the imagery of the "loop" term -- of  
course, in days gone by a "loop" was a physical piece of magnetic tape  
spliced to form a continuous loop.

I will likely keep calling it "live looping".

If nothing else, I like the alliteration.  :)

-- Kevin

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> mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!
>
> Matt Stevens
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Why? I suppose live looping is considered a genre by many

Matt Stevens
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On 3 Jun 2008, at 19:11, Dustin Galish wrote:

> live sampling would make some people believe you're just using  
> sampled pre recorded sounds live. looping to me suggests all live  
> created sounds
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Matt Stevens  
> <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
> mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>
>
>
>
> On 3 Jun 2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:
>
>> If I understand your question,
>>
>> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real  
>> Time' is redundant, at least in case of sampling
>> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non  
>> Real Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
>> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give  
>> the information of  what do you do with those samples.
>> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michal
>>
>> Matt Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live  
>>> Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy  
>>> butler)?
>>>
>>> Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an  
>>> email a few days ago!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Stevens
>>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> "Fate is a sickness of those who will never strive to be the  
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net.com</a></div><div><br></div></span><br =
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class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 3 Jun 2008, =
at 19:11, Dustin Galish wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">live =
sampling would make some people believe you're just using sampled pre =
recorded sounds live. looping to me suggests all live created =
sounds<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:07 PM, =
Matt Stevens &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com">mattstevensguitar@btinter=
net.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"> mmm =A0Live =
Sampling - thats good!<div><div class=3D"Ih2E3d"><br><div> <span =
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0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:nor=
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0px"><span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, =
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Matt Stevens</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.mattstevensguitar.com" =
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</div><br></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><div><div>On 3 Jun =
2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">  If I understand your question,<br> <br> 'Real Time =
Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time' is redundant, =
at least in case of sampling<br> sound. If you are not sure about this =
think of the opposite 'Non Real Time Sampling', which is an =
oxymoron.<br> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't =
give the information of=A0 what do you do with those samples.<br> You =
could possibly play a tune without loops at all.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> =
Michal<br> <br> Matt Stevens wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">Does =
anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping(apart =
from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?  <div><br>  =
</div>  <div>Just wondered? =A0Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me =
in an email a few days ago!</div> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite">=
  <div><br>  </div>  <div>Any thoughts?</div>  <div><br>  </div>  =
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<br>  =
</blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>"Fate is a sickness of those who will never =
strive to be the facilitators of their own creative or spiritual =
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I agree the physical image of tape loops is wonderful.  I think I'll  
use that for a video!

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On 3 Jun 2008, at 19:13, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> I suppose one could argue that all loops are samples but not all  
> samples are loops.  I like the imagery of the "loop" term -- of  
> course, in days gone by a "loop" was a physical piece of magnetic  
> tape spliced to form a continuous loop.
>
> I will likely keep calling it "live looping".
>
> If nothing else, I like the alliteration.  :)
>
> -- Kevin
>
> Quoting Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>:
>>
>> mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!
>>
>> Matt Stevens
>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
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at 19:13, <a =
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m</a> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I suppose one could argue that =
all loops are samples but not all samples are loops.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>I like the imagery of the =
"loop" term -- of course, in days gone by a "loop" was a physical piece =
of magnetic tape spliced to form a continuous loop.</div><div =
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min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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else, I like the alliteration.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>:)</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can you stop and ever one 
else. thanks

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> Hi Jim
>
> We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
> certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
> quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
> field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
> www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
> reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
> have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
> insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
> contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
> normal life.
>
> Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
> cure Diabetes.
>
> Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
> acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
> most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
> Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
> cure in children.
>
> Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
> when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.
>
> If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
> Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>
> Regards
>
> Byron
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
>> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes
>> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>>
>> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>>
>> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
>> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin 
>> pump
>> system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative 
>> input
>> that you might care to offer.
>>
>> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather 
>> discuss
>> but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
>> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> --
>> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>> Chinapainting -
>> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>> Chinapainting on My Space -
>> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
>> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull 
>> Guitars
>> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
>> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
> 

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Hi,

After the 2nd Swedish Live Looping tour, the Oslo Live Loopning
Festival Improlectronica and the Finloop festival I received a lot of
funny videos. So far I have managed to post three at
http://www.myspace.com/perboysen (blog section).

"Rick Walker Shreds" was filmed by me, Tellef =D6grim Trio was filmed by
Marc Francombe and the Jazz & Pop Academy pboy Live Looping Clinic was
filmed by someone in Helsinki who unfortunately did not write his/her
name on the DVD before giving it to me (sorry about that, hope I will
be able to fill it in soon).

Per

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> Michael Peters wrote:
> I would say it was a great success. Big fun. 

I have been in Cologne, it was absolutely great. I have watched each perf=
ormance, they were all unique in their kind...ambient piano, funny tradit=
ional instruments, Frippertronics, loops of rubber band guitar sounds, or=
ange Americans, excellent vocals and guitar etc etc. Congratulations for =
you Michael, and all the other people who helped organising the festival =
and also a big hand for each of the performers. 

I also want to annoucne that I'm seriously thinking of organising the fir=
st Belgium looping festival in 2009 :)

Sjaak
=0A

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I have a mint JamMan for sale ($325), hardly ever been used. Its the  
real thing... 
  

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> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can you stop and ever one 
> else. thanks

Please don't chastize him for reaching out to a community that he belongs to 
looking for help.  It is always recommended that if you don't want to view 
off topic posts that you set up your mail program to filter out posts with 
"OT:" in the subject line.  This mailing list does form a community and 
sometimes subjects will come up that are not about looping.

Personally, I have all Looper's Delight mail go into a seperate folder where 
I can examine it at my leisure. 

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would you like us to respond to you the same way when
you need help from this comunity? just because its off
topic doesn´t mean you have to stop being human.
Luis


--- Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net> wrote:

> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can
> you stop and ever one 
> else. thanks
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
> 
> 
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > We have had experience with assisiting many people
> with reversing
> > certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge
> success in improving
> > quality of life for all of these people. The
> formost expert in the
> > field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
> > www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge
> success in completely
> > reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic
> in arizona. We also
> > have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge
> success in reversing
> > insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I
> highly suggest
> > contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every
> oppotunity of leading a
> > normal life.
> >
> > Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers
> a natural way to
> > cure Diabetes.
> >
> > Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins,
> minerals, amino
> > acids and herbs with a particularly high level of
> inositol, one of the
> > most important supplemants in reversing insulin
> resistance.
> > Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is
> certainly easy enough to
> > cure in children.
> >
> > Some interesting research is the relationship
> between mercury toxicity
> > when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood
> diabetes.
> >
> > If you would like to know more about the
> supplement you can email my
> > Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Byron
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin
> <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not
> intrusive to anyone but does
> >> anyone in the LD community that cares to share
> info, have Type 1 diabetes
> >> either themselves or in their immediate family?
> >>
> >> If so have you or your family had experience with
> an insulin pump?
> >>
> >> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8. 
> We do "tight control"
> >> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans
> to move to an insulin 
> >> pump
> >> system this summer for her and I'm interested in
> any positive/negative 
> >> input
> >> that you might care to offer.
> >>
> >> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music
> which I'd much rather 
> >> discuss
> >> but this is a community of a lot of folks that
> seems pretty open and I
> >> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> --
> >> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -
> http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> >> MySpace (solo) -
> http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> >> Chinapainting -
> >> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> >> Chinapainting on My Space -
> >> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> >> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other
> creative souls -
> >> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> >> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -
> http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull 
> >> Guitars
> >> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is
> published by Mel Bay
> >> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
> > 
> 
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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Hey Joseph Tufariello,
Just because its off topic doesn´t mean you have to
stop being human.
Luis


> --- Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can
> > you stop and ever one 
> > else. thanks
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi Jim
> > >
> > > We have had experience with assisiting many
> people
> > with reversing
> > > certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge
> > success in improving
> > > quality of life for all of these people. The
> > formost expert in the
> > > field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
> > > www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge
> > success in completely
> > > reversing various types of diabetes at his
> clinic
> > in arizona. We also
> > > have a wonderful supplement mix that has had
> huge
> > success in reversing
> > > insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I
> > highly suggest
> > > contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every
> > oppotunity of leading a
> > > normal life.
> > >
> > > Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and
> offers
> > a natural way to
> > > cure Diabetes.
> > >
> > > Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of
> vitamins,
> > minerals, amino
> > > acids and herbs with a particularly high level
> of
> > inositol, one of the
> > > most important supplemants in reversing insulin
> > resistance.
> > > Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is
> > certainly easy enough to
> > > cure in children.
> > >
> > > Some interesting research is the relationship
> > between mercury toxicity
> > > when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood
> > diabetes.
> > >
> > > If you would like to know more about the
> > supplement you can email my
> > > Fiance Kirsten at
> Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Byron
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin
> > <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > >> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not
> > intrusive to anyone but does
> > >> anyone in the LD community that cares to share
> > info, have Type 1 diabetes
> > >> either themselves or in their immediate family?
> > >>
> > >> If so have you or your family had experience
> with
> > an insulin pump?
> > >>
> > >> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age
> 8. 
> > We do "tight control"
> > >> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans
> > to move to an insulin 
> > >> pump
> > >> system this summer for her and I'm interested
> in
> > any positive/negative 
> > >> input
> > >> that you might care to offer.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music
> > which I'd much rather 
> > >> discuss
> > >> but this is a community of a lot of folks that
> > seems pretty open and I
> > >> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -
> > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> > >> MySpace (solo) -
> > http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> > >> Chinapainting -
> > >> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> > >> Chinapainting on My Space -
> > >> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> > >> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other
> > creative souls -
> > >> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> > >> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -
> > http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull 
> > >> Guitars
> > >> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is
> > published by Mel Bay
> > >> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> 
> 
>       
> 
> 


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I don't have anything relevant to offer about diabetes.

But I did find it very puzzling that this email address - synchro1 at optonline is similar to mine - synchro1 at ix.netcom.com - which I have had now for around 15 years.

Just coincidence?

>--- Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can
>> you stop and ever one 
>> else. thanks
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
>> 
>> 
>> > Hi Jim
>> >
>> > We have had experience with assisiting many people
>> with reversing
>> > certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge
>> success in improving
>> > quality of life for all of these people. The
>> formost expert in the
>> > field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
>> > www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge
>> success in completely
>> > reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic
>> in arizona. We also
>> > have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge
>> success in reversing
>> > insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I
>> highly suggest
>> > contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every
>> oppotunity of leading a
>> > normal life.
>> >
>> > Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers
>> a natural way to
>> > cure Diabetes.
>> >
>> > Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins,
>> minerals, amino
>> > acids and herbs with a particularly high level of
>> inositol, one of the
>> > most important supplemants in reversing insulin
>> resistance.
>> > Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is
>> certainly easy enough to
>> > cure in children.
>> >
>> > Some interesting research is the relationship
>> between mercury toxicity
>> > when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood
>> diabetes.
>> >
>> > If you would like to know more about the
>> supplement you can email my
>> > Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Byron
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin
>> <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> >> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not
>> intrusive to anyone but does
>> >> anyone in the LD community that cares to share
>> info, have Type 1 diabetes
>> >> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>> >>
>> >> If so have you or your family had experience with
>> an insulin pump?
>> >>
>> >> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8. 
>> We do "tight control"
>> >> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans
>> to move to an insulin 
>> >> pump
>> >> system this summer for her and I'm interested in
>> any positive/negative 
>> >> input
>> >> that you might care to offer.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music
>> which I'd much rather 
>> >> discuss
>> >> but this is a community of a lot of folks that
>> seems pretty open and I
>> >> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -
>> http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>> >> MySpace (solo) -
>> http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>> >> Chinapainting -
>> >> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>> >> Chinapainting on My Space -
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>> >> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other
>> creative souls -
>> >> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>> >> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -
>> http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull 
>> >> Guitars
>> >> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is
>> published by Mel Bay
>> >> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>      
>

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Thanks again for the positive words particularly the latter.  I did not mean
to ruffle anything here and I really appreciate the positive feedback and
experiences that several of you have echo'd about diabetes.  All in all my
daughter's care and health have gone well and we're a bit cautious about
moving her to a pump though long term it's a good thing we know.  In the
short term there is a bit of "if it's not broke..." but in the big picture
until there is a cure the pumps technology seems a real positive so we'll
see.  I've had a busy day at work and have yet to personally reply to a
couple of you particularly the member at Paradigm and the member who wrote
about research done in AZ but I will reply.  Anyhow all is appreciated.

To tie this in a bit with the list and be *on topic*, my daughter has spent
the year studying the cello in an ensemble in her 5th grade.  She has a
"hip" teacher who in addition to standard Suzuki challenged them to
improvise (actually it's more thought out but this piece was said to be
improvised which made Dad very proud).  Here's a look, kind of cool.  ht
tp://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/<http://jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/>
BC_Cello_Ensemble_Feb_Improv.mp4<http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/>

Thanks for all folks.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:14 PM, synchro1 <synchro1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> I don't have anything relevant to offer about diabetes.
>
> But I did find it very puzzling that this email address - synchro1 at
> optonline is similar to mine - synchro1 at ix.netcom.com - which I have
> had now for around 15 years.
>
> Just coincidence?
>
> >--- Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can
> >> you stop and ever one
> >> else. thanks
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
> >> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Jim
> >> >
> >> > We have had experience with assisiting many people
> >> with reversing
> >> > certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge
> >> success in improving
> >> > quality of life for all of these people. The
> >> formost expert in the
> >> > field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
> >> > www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge
> >> success in completely
> >> > reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic
> >> in arizona. We also
> >> > have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge
> >> success in reversing
> >> > insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I
> >> highly suggest
> >> > contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every
> >> oppotunity of leading a
> >> > normal life.
> >> >
> >> > Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers
> >> a natural way to
> >> > cure Diabetes.
> >> >
> >> > Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins,
> >> minerals, amino
> >> > acids and herbs with a particularly high level of
> >> inositol, one of the
> >> > most important supplemants in reversing insulin
> >> resistance.
> >> > Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is
> >> certainly easy enough to
> >> > cure in children.
> >> >
> >> > Some interesting research is the relationship
> >> between mercury toxicity
> >> > when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood
> >> diabetes.
> >> >
> >> > If you would like to know more about the
> >> supplement you can email my
> >> > Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> > Byron
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin
> >> <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not
> >> intrusive to anyone but does
> >> >> anyone in the LD community that cares to share
> >> info, have Type 1 diabetes
> >> >> either themselves or in their immediate family?
> >> >>
> >> >> If so have you or your family had experience with
> >> an insulin pump?
> >> >>
> >> >> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.
> >> We do "tight control"
> >> >> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans
> >> to move to an insulin
> >> >> pump
> >> >> system this summer for her and I'm interested in
> >> any positive/negative
> >> >> input
> >> >> that you might care to offer.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music
> >> which I'd much rather
> >> >> discuss
> >> >> but this is a community of a lot of folks that
> >> seems pretty open and I
> >> >> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -
> >> http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> >> >> MySpace (solo) -
> >> http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> >> >> Chinapainting -
> >> >> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> >> >> Chinapainting on My Space -
> >> >> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> >> >> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other
> >> creative souls -
> >> >> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> >> >> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -
> >> http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
> >> >> Guitars
> >> >> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is
> >> published by Mel Bay
> >> >> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
- http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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<div>Thanks again for the positive words particularly the latter.&nbsp; I did not mean to ruffle anything here and I really appreciate the positive feedback and experiences that several of you have echo&#39;d about diabetes.&nbsp; All in all my daughter&#39;s care and health have gone well and we&#39;re a bit cautious about moving her to a pump though long term it&#39;s a good thing we know.&nbsp; In the short term there is a bit of &quot;if it&#39;s not broke...&quot; but in the big picture until there is a cure the pumps technology seems a real positive so we&#39;ll see.&nbsp; I&#39;ve had a busy day at work and have yet to personally reply to a couple of you particularly the member at Paradigm and the member who wrote about research done in AZ but I will reply.&nbsp; Anyhow all is appreciated.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>To tie this in a bit with the list and be <u>on topic</u>, my daughter has spent the year studying the cello in an ensemble in her 5th grade.&nbsp;&nbsp;She has a &quot;hip&quot; teacher who in addition to standard Suzuki challenged them to improvise (actually it&#39;s more thought out but this piece was said to be improvised which made Dad very proud).&nbsp; Here&#39;s a look, kind of cool.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/">ht<a href="http://jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/">tp://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/BC_Cello_Recital/</a>BC_Cello_Ensemble_Feb_Improv.mp4</a></div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks for all folks.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:14 PM, synchro1 &lt;<a href="mailto:synchro1@ix.netcom.com">synchro1@ix.netcom.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I don&#39;t have anything relevant to offer about diabetes.<br><br>But I did find it very puzzling that this email address - synchro1 at optonline is similar to mine - synchro1 at <a href="http://ix.netcom.com/" target="_blank">ix.netcom.com</a> - which I have had now for around 15 years.<br>
<br>Just coincidence?<br>
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br>&gt;--- Joseph Tufariello &lt;<a href="mailto:synchro1@optonline.net">synchro1@optonline.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Why are you emailing me I don&#39;t have diabetes can<br>&gt;&gt; you stop and ever one<br>
&gt;&gt; else. thanks<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt;&gt; From: &quot;Byron Howell&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:howell.byron@gmail.com">howell.byron@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To: &lt;<a href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Hi Jim<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; We have had experience with assisiting many people<br>&gt;&gt; with reversing<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge<br>&gt;&gt; success in improving<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; quality of life for all of these people. The<br>&gt;&gt; formost expert in the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; www,<a href="http://treeoflife.nu/diabetes" target="_blank">treeoflife.nu/diabetes</a>, who has had huge<br>&gt;&gt; success in completely<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic<br>
&gt;&gt; in arizona. We also<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge<br>&gt;&gt; success in reversing<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I<br>&gt;&gt; highly suggest<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every<br>&gt;&gt; oppotunity of leading a<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; normal life.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers<br>&gt;&gt; a natural way to<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; cure Diabetes.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins,<br>&gt;&gt; minerals, amino<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; acids and herbs with a particularly high level of<br>&gt;&gt; inositol, one of the<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; most important supplemants in reversing insulin<br>&gt;&gt; resistance.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is<br>&gt;&gt; certainly easy enough to<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; cure in children.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Some interesting research is the relationship<br>&gt;&gt; between mercury toxicity<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood<br>&gt;&gt; diabetes.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; If you would like to know more about the<br>&gt;&gt; supplement you can email my<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Fiance Kirsten at <a href="mailto:Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com">Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Byron<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin<br>&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com">jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; This is def&#39;ly off topic and hopefully not<br>&gt;&gt; intrusive to anyone but does<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; anyone in the LD community that cares to share<br>&gt;&gt; info, have Type 1 diabetes<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; either themselves or in their immediate family?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; If so have you or your family had experience with<br>&gt;&gt; an insulin pump?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.<br>
&gt;&gt; We do &quot;tight control&quot;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; insulin injection therapy. &nbsp;We are making plans<br>&gt;&gt; to move to an insulin<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; pump<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; system this summer for her and I&#39;m interested in<br>
&gt;&gt; any positive/negative<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; input<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; that you might care to offer.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music<br>&gt;&gt; which I&#39;d much rather<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; discuss<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; but this is a community of a lot of folks that<br>&gt;&gt; seems pretty open and I<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wanted to poll the list for thoughts.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jim<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; MySpace (solo) -<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Chinapainting -<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Chinapainting on My Space -<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other<br>
&gt;&gt; creative souls -<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a><br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Guitars<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com/" target="_blank">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is<br>&gt;&gt; published by Mel Bay<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com/" target="_blank">http://www.melbay.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<a href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br></div></div></blockquote>
</div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a> <br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com">http://www.melbay.com</a> 

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Joseph I apologize.  I'm a member of this web community.  Occasionally
members send info or ask questions that are considered off-topic hence why I
slugged the subject line OT.  Granted this has nothing to do with music and
I may have overstepped the boundary here however a few members have replied
back to me with some beneficial info which I appreciate.  I'm sorry that
this annoyed you and possibly I should have not polled the list with this
need.

Thanks.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
wrote:

> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can you stop and ever one
> else. thanks
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
>
>
>
> Hi Jim
>>
>> We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
>> certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
>> quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
>> field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
>> www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
>> reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
>> have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
>> insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
>> contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
>> normal life.
>>
>> Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
>> cure Diabetes.
>>
>> Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
>> acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
>> most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
>> Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
>> cure in children.
>>
>> Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
>> when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.
>>
>> If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
>> Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Byron
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
>>> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes
>>> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>>>
>>> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>>>
>>> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
>>> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin
>>> pump
>>> system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative
>>> input
>>> that you might care to offer.
>>>
>>> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather
>>> discuss
>>> but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
>>> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> --
>>> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>>> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>>> Chinapainting -
>>> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>>> Chinapainting on My Space -
>>> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>>> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
>>> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>>> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
>>> Guitars
>>> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
>>> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
- http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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<div>Joseph I apologize.&nbsp; I&#39;m a member of this web community.&nbsp; Occasionally members send info or ask questions that are considered off-topic hence why I slugged the subject line OT.&nbsp; Granted this has nothing to do with music and I may have overstepped the boundary here however a few members have replied back to me with some beneficial info which I appreciate.&nbsp; I&#39;m sorry that this annoyed you and possibly I should have not polled the list with this need.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Joseph Tufariello &lt;<a href="mailto:synchro1@optonline.net">synchro1@optonline.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Why are you emailing me I don&#39;t have diabetes can you stop and ever one else. thanks<br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Byron Howell&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:howell.byron@gmail.com" target="_blank">howell.byron@gmail.com</a>&gt; 
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target="_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&gt;<br></div>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM<br>Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes 
<div>
<div></div>
<div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Jim<br><br>We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing<br>certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving<br>
quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the<br>field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens<br>www,<a href="http://treeoflife.nu/diabetes" target="_blank">treeoflife.nu/diabetes</a>, who has had huge success in completely<br>
reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also<br>have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing<br>insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest<br>contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a<br>
normal life.<br><br>Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to<br>cure Diabetes.<br><br>Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino<br>acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the<br>
most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.<br>Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to<br>cure in children.<br><br>Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity<br>
when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.<br><br>If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my<br>Fiance Kirsten at <a href="mailto:Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com" target="_blank">Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com</a><br>
<br>Regards<br><br>Byron<br><br><br>On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin &lt;<a href="mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">This is def&#39;ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does<br>anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1 diabetes<br>
either themselves or in their immediate family?<br><br>If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?<br><br>My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8. &nbsp;We do &quot;tight control&quot;<br>insulin injection therapy. &nbsp;We are making plans to move to an insulin pump<br>
system this summer for her and I&#39;m interested in any positive/negative input<br>that you might care to offer.<br><br>Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I&#39;d much rather discuss<br>but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I<br>
wanted to poll the list for thoughts.<br><br>Thanks.<br><br>Jim<br><br>--<br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com" target="_blank">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -<br><a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com/" target="_blank">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a><br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars<br>
- <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com/" target="_blank">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay<br>Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com/" target="_blank">http://www.melbay.com</a><br>
</blockquote><br></blockquote><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a> <br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com">http://www.melbay.com</a> 

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Hey Per,
I just ordered the bugbrand pickup,i havent had a
chance to install it yet but i quickly tested it with
my cajon.
Question: do you recall where the cajon player placed
the pickup for best results to avoid feedback? also it
says they can be used with simple gafa tape but there
is plastiline like material made specifically to
temporarily stick things like this,do you recall what
he used?
cheers
Luis

> Hi Luis,
> 
> I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he
> and the Cajon
> player of another band we shared the stage with used
> contact mics for
> the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We
> bought ours at
> Bugbrand,
>
http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact
> 
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.stockholm-athens.com
> 
> 


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Hi,

I'm sorry I did not check out where the cajon player placed the pickup. I

Per

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Per,
> I just ordered the bugbrand pickup,i havent had a
> chance to install it yet but i quickly tested it with
> my cajon.
> Question: do you recall where the cajon player placed
> the pickup for best results to avoid feedback? also it
> says they can be used with simple gafa tape but there
> is plastiline like material made specifically to
> temporarily stick things like this,do you recall what
> he used?
> cheers
> Luis
>
>> Hi Luis,
>>
>> I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he
>> and the Cajon
>> player of another band we shared the stage with used
>> contact mics for
>> the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We
>> bought ours at
>> Bugbrand,
>>
> http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.stockholm-athens.com
>>

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Its is not really of topic that much. In doing some of my research
using the live looper as a jumping off point for commentary of an
anthropological vein. part of that research (since being very
academic) is defining all my terms i use. Since we can agree we are
all dealing with SOUND and very often with FEEDBACK, positive and
negative it is interesting to note when one looks in a good dictionary
one can find almost ten definitions of the word SOUND, and one of
those definitions is related to health.
The body is a complex playground balancing and reinforcing loops, ie
Negative feedback loops and positve feedback. And we are all using our
bodies in some way to create music no? that being the whole big
discourse being LIVE loopers as apposed to other kinds. This
'liveness" is due to the fact that we live in a human body. I remember
not so long ago a very interesting thread on Tendenitis.

so.. I would argue that health discussion of any kind is on the border
line perhaps but not that much OT when in a mostly LIVE looping forum.
Without the body and all its wonders, there would be no LIVE

Ah , and indeed type 1 is another ball game. You have sparked my
interest to do some more research. I remember seeing a "raw for 30
days" on sale where the took Diabetes patients and cured them within
30days with a very sepcific diet of only RAW food, but this could very
well be mostly type 2 diabetes.
The mercury link has been on my mind. Many of us have had mercury
fillings at one time or another and if we still do, the toxicity in
our bodies makes us prone to many things.
Doing a candida detox and detoxing the heavy metals out of ones sysetm
by means of Chlorella or Cenlatro cant hurt anyone and could be of
help to your daughters system.
Any balancing tools would be of benefit. But ill let you know some
more. There is always a natural way to full health, it simply needs to
be uncovered.
Good luck

Byron

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joseph I apologize.  I'm a member of this web community.  Occasionally
> members send info or ask questions that are considered off-topic hence why I
> slugged the subject line OT.  Granted this has nothing to do with music and
> I may have overstepped the boundary here however a few members have replied
> back to me with some beneficial info which I appreciate.  I'm sorry that
> this annoyed you and possibly I should have not polled the list with this
> need.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can you stop and ever one
>> else. thanks
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jim
>>>
>>> We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
>>> certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
>>> quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
>>> field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
>>> www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
>>> reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
>>> have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
>>> insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
>>> contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
>>> normal life.
>>>
>>> Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
>>> cure Diabetes.
>>>
>>> Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
>>> acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
>>> most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
>>> Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
>>> cure in children.
>>>
>>> Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
>>> when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.
>>>
>>> If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
>>> Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Byron
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
>>>> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1
>>>> diabetes
>>>> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>>>>
>>>> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>>>>
>>>> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
>>>> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin
>>>> pump
>>>> system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative
>>>> input
>>>> that you might care to offer.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather
>>>> discuss
>>>> but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
>>>> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>>>> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>>>> Chinapainting -
>>>> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>>>> Chinapainting on My Space -
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>>>> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
>>>> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>>>> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
>>>> Guitars
>>>> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
>>>> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> Chinapainting -
> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> Chinapainting on My Space -
> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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to add:

it is clear that type 1 diabetes is an immuno-difficiency disorder,
whatever the initial cause may have been.  Found some documents that
show various viruses or heavy metals may cause it in the first place.

 The point is the pancreas is damaged insulin resistance is clearly a
part of things so and the immune system are still in need of major
support, therefore diet is a major, essential factor.

 Hair analysis is the best way of determining heavy metal poisoning as
well as the mineral levels of a person.  It is essential to correct
the calcium and magnesium balance.  An associate in Johannesburg that
is a metabolic typing diet practitioner, cured a 43 year old type 1
diabetic, through nutrition, after seeing results of his hair
analysis.
I



On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
> Its is not really of topic that much. In doing some of my research
> using the live looper as a jumping off point for commentary of an
> anthropological vein. part of that research (since being very
> academic) is defining all my terms i use. Since we can agree we are
> all dealing with SOUND and very often with FEEDBACK, positive and
> negative it is interesting to note when one looks in a good dictionary
> one can find almost ten definitions of the word SOUND, and one of
> those definitions is related to health.
> The body is a complex playground balancing and reinforcing loops, ie
> Negative feedback loops and positve feedback. And we are all using our
> bodies in some way to create music no? that being the whole big
> discourse being LIVE loopers as apposed to other kinds. This
> 'liveness" is due to the fact that we live in a human body. I remember
> not so long ago a very interesting thread on Tendenitis.
>
> so.. I would argue that health discussion of any kind is on the border
> line perhaps but not that much OT when in a mostly LIVE looping forum.
> Without the body and all its wonders, there would be no LIVE
>
> Ah , and indeed type 1 is another ball game. You have sparked my
> interest to do some more research. I remember seeing a "raw for 30
> days" on sale where the took Diabetes patients and cured them within
> 30days with a very sepcific diet of only RAW food, but this could very
> well be mostly type 2 diabetes.
> The mercury link has been on my mind. Many of us have had mercury
> fillings at one time or another and if we still do, the toxicity in
> our bodies makes us prone to many things.
> Doing a candida detox and detoxing the heavy metals out of ones sysetm
> by means of Chlorella or Cenlatro cant hurt anyone and could be of
> help to your daughters system.
> Any balancing tools would be of benefit. But ill let you know some
> more. There is always a natural way to full health, it simply needs to
> be uncovered.
> Good luck
>
> Byron
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joseph I apologize.  I'm a member of this web community.  Occasionally
>> members send info or ask questions that are considered off-topic hence why I
>> slugged the subject line OT.  Granted this has nothing to do with music and
>> I may have overstepped the boundary here however a few members have replied
>> back to me with some beneficial info which I appreciate.  I'm sorry that
>> this annoyed you and possibly I should have not polled the list with this
>> need.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Joseph Tufariello <synchro1@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why are you emailing me I don't have diabetes can you stop and ever one
>>> else. thanks
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: OT: Diabetes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim
>>>>
>>>> We have had experience with assisiting many people with reversing
>>>> certain levels of diabetes and certainly a huge success in improving
>>>> quality of life for all of these people. The formost expert in the
>>>> field that we know of is DR Gabriel Cousens
>>>> www,treeoflife.nu/diabetes, who has had huge success in completely
>>>> reversing various types of diabetes at his clinic in arizona. We also
>>>> have a wonderful supplement mix that has had huge success in reversing
>>>> insulin resistance. As your daughter is young I highly suggest
>>>> contacting Gabriel cousins as she has every oppotunity of leading a
>>>> normal life.
>>>>
>>>> Gabriel Cousins is also a pediatrician and offers a natural way to
>>>> cure Diabetes.
>>>>
>>>> Our supplemeant is a specific mixture of vitamins, minerals, amino
>>>> acids and herbs with a particularly high level of inositol, one of the
>>>> most important supplemants in reversing insulin resistance.
>>>> Diabetes does not have to be permanent and is certainly easy enough to
>>>> cure in children.
>>>>
>>>> Some interesting research is the relationship between mercury toxicity
>>>> when the mother is pregnant triggering childhood diabetes.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like to know more about the supplement you can email my
>>>> Fiance Kirsten at Kirsetn@bodyintegrityhealth.com
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Byron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is def'ly off topic and hopefully not intrusive to anyone but does
>>>>> anyone in the LD community that cares to share info, have Type 1
>>>>> diabetes
>>>>> either themselves or in their immediate family?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so have you or your family had experience with an insulin pump?
>>>>>
>>>>> My daughter 11 is a Type 1 diabetic since age 8.  We do "tight control"
>>>>> insulin injection therapy.  We are making plans to move to an insulin
>>>>> pump
>>>>> system this summer for her and I'm interested in any positive/negative
>>>>> input
>>>>> that you might care to offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, again forgive the interlude from music which I'd much rather
>>>>> discuss
>>>>> but this is a community of a lot of folks that seems pretty open and I
>>>>> wanted to poll the list for thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>>>>> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>>>>> Chinapainting -
>>>>> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>>>>> Chinapainting on My Space -
>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>>>>> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
>>>>> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>>>>> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
>>>>> Guitars
>>>>> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
>>>>> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
>> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
>> Chinapainting -
>> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>> Chinapainting on My Space -
>> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
>> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
>> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
>> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
>> - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
>> Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>

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> it is clear that type 1 diabetes is an immuno-difficiency 
> disorder, whatever the initial cause may have been.  Found 
> some documents that show various viruses or heavy metals may 
> cause it in the first place.

It is not entirely clear that type 1 diabetes is an immuno-deficiency.
However I like the part with heavy metal poisoning - so if I stopped playing
Slayer tunes at my concerts, would the Diabetes go away?

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Indeed, nothing ever is 'entirely clear', there is always a fuzzy
aspect to science and- keeping with the concept of feedback loops-
everything is highly self referencial. belief systems are a whole
other bag. One should be able to heal simply by thinking it so
shoudlnt we? Deeper in the deep end we go

Was remarking to a friend not so long ago, how i found it strange that
I could still fall asleep to the sounds of Morbid Angel. So soothing!
and yet others become a nervous reck after 30seconds.

to quote Chris Rock "Whatever music you were listening to when you
first got laid, you will listen to for the rest of your life!"

Maybe thats it.

So no, your continueing playing slayer at your concerts is most
probably keeping many diseases at bay depending on your audience.



On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>> it is clear that type 1 diabetes is an immuno-difficiency
>> disorder, whatever the initial cause may have been.  Found
>> some documents that show various viruses or heavy metals may
>> cause it in the first place.
>
> It is not entirely clear that type 1 diabetes is an immuno-deficiency.
> However I like the part with heavy metal poisoning - so if I stopped playing
> Slayer tunes at my concerts, would the Diabetes go away?
>
>

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hey all-been working on a project that I hoped to get done, but alas, only got about 80% done.
thinking back to when i was in college (long time ago, in the 80's) always thought it would be a cool job to review music for rolling stone (or some music mag, and hey back then it would have been LP's!). anyway, a few months ago i said to myself, well why not try it, so on the "blog" section of my myspace page, i decided to start reviewing the loop cd's i've traded w/ folks. and boy i will say it was not easy, and lately i've had no time, but i did get through 80% of collection. sadly, i think the way music seems to be going, most people just post mp3 clips on web, and i don't really sit and listen to music that way (mainly b/c i don't have a computer at home)...so they are there for viewing if you care, i will warn you, it is harder than i thought and boy i wish i had a way w/ words, but i don't.....

http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen

happy looping...
s---
ps-i will say i have been having fun experimenting w/ little noise loops w/ my behringer tweakalizer, i think it records about 8 sec (in long mode), and you can reverse it, send pitch up or down an octave (reverse down an octave gives it that slowed down reverse tape "feel"-my fave setting). and the filters i have been enjoying also...
well, i'll be away from my email for the summer, so happy summer to all....





      
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 have a computer at home)...so they are there for viewing if you care, i will warn you, it is harder than i thought and boy i wish i had a way w/ words, but i don't.....<br><br>http://www.myspace.com/scotthansen<br><br>happy looping...<br>s---<br>ps-i will say i have been having fun experimenting w/ little noise loops w/ my behringer tweakalizer, i think it records about 8 sec (in long mode), and you can reverse it, send pitch up or down an octave (reverse down an octave gives it that slowed down reverse tape "feel"-my fave setting). and the filters i have been enjoying also...<br>well, i'll be away from my email for the summer, so happy summer to all....<br><br><br></td></tr></table><br>

      
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Liam Finn (son of Crowded House Neil Finn) loops:
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okay, thought i'd report back. i love this thing. the pok basically just wo=
rks, exactly like i would expect it to. that's my report. if you want more =
details you can email, but basically, that's it. i can do everything i real=
ly need to now without my hands and its fantastic. love.


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> From: stringfling@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Best foot controller for Ableton? -- Wireless Pedal Operated=
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> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:05:11 -0700
>=20
>=20
> This has to be one of my favorite pieces of gear:  http://www.x-tempozone=
.com/
>=20
> It's a wireless "POK" (Pedal Operated Keyboard) and it completely =20
> simplified my set up. Because it's so much easier to work with then =20
> translating MIDI to keystrokes I am able to easily experiment with =20
> different ways of doing things. It just simplified things. Basically, =20
> it's been a dream----dependable, effortless, and solved a lot of =20
> problems for me, including moving to and from different "instrument =20
> stations" without pesky cables.  It's solid and the foot presses feel =20
> right.
>=20
> Not cheap but WELL worth it in time saved and that less definable =20
> quality of satisfaction in terms of how it feels to work now.
>=20
> MIDI has it's place, but why bother with ridged, complicated schemes =20
> when you can go straight to keystrokes and move everything around in =20
> seconds?
>=20
> Best of luck!
>=20
> PS, maybe use your boomerang AND Ableton... fun, yes?
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20

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okay, thought i'd report back. i love this thing. the pok basically just wo=
rks, exactly like i would expect it to. that's my report. if you want more =
details you can email, but basically, that's it. i can do everything i real=
ly need to now without my hands and its fantastic. thanks all for the input=
! love.


----------------------------------------
> From: stringfling@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Best foot controller for Ableton? -- Wireless Pedal Operated=
 Keyboard
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:05:11 -0700
>=20
>=20
> This has to be one of my favorite pieces of gear:  http://www.x-tempozone=
.com/
>=20
> It's a wireless "POK" (Pedal Operated Keyboard) and it completely =20
> simplified my set up. Because it's so much easier to work with then =20
> translating MIDI to keystrokes I am able to easily experiment with =20
> different ways of doing things. It just simplified things. Basically, =20
> it's been a dream----dependable, effortless, and solved a lot of =20
> problems for me, including moving to and from different "instrument =20
> stations" without pesky cables.  It's solid and the foot presses feel =20
> right.
>=20
> Not cheap but WELL worth it in time saved and that less definable =20
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A couple of another proposals:
- Fly-Sampling, from on-the-fly
- Free-Sampling, to emphasize improvisation
and for acronym lovers:
- Lilo (Live-Looping)
- Freelo (Free-Looping).

Use at your own risk ;-)

Michal

Matt Stevens wrote:
> mmm  Live Sampling - thats good!
>
> Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
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>
>
> On 3 Jun 2008, at 18:58, Micha? Wiernowolski wrote:
>
>> If I understand your question,
>>
>> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time' 
>> is redundant, at least in case of sampling
>> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real 
>> Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
>> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the 
>> information of  what do you do with those samples.
>> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michal
>>
>> Matt Stevens wrote:
>>> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live 
>>> Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy 
>>> butler)?
>>>
>>> Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an email 
>>> a few days ago!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Stevens
>>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com 
>>> <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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A couple of another proposals:<br>
- Fly-Sampling, from on-the-fly<br>
- Free-Sampling, to emphasize improvisation<br>
and for acronym lovers:<br>
- Lilo (Live-Looping)<br>
- Freelo (Free-Looping).<br>
<br>
Use at your own risk ;-)<br>
<br>
Michal<br>
<br>
Matt Stevens wrote:
<blockquote
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  <div>Matt Stevens</div>
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  <blockquote type="cite"> If I understand your question,<br>
    <br>
'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time'
is redundant, at least in case of sampling<br>
sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real
Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.<br>
Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the
information of&nbsp; what do you do with those samples.<br>
You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.<br>
    <br>
Cheers,<br>
Michal<br>
    <br>
Matt Stevens wrote:
    <blockquote
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Live Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy
butler)?
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      <div>Just wondered? &nbsp;Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in
an email a few days ago!</div>
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Anyone having problems with the latest OS upgrade and LIVE 7??For some  
reason, LIVE seems to operate fine at tempos around 90+. I haven't  
figured it out yet, but AT 60BPM!! Whoa!! it has NO idea how to keep a  
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It's actually probably an OS bug!!! I wouldn't upgrade quiet yet. I  
usually don't so fast and have no idea why I did. Duh.

Let me know if anyone else knows anything.

mike

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hi gang,
does anybody know how to rotate the internal fuse on
the MoFX to be used with european current? do i have
to disemble the whole back panel?
thanx
Luis



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Hi,

I've just released a new version of Augustus Loop, which includes an
fx loop feature (as you might find on a guitar amp) - essentially this
lets you send audio out of the plug-in for external processing. So you
can now insert other plug-ins in the delay loop.

You can do some pretty mad stuff with this. Reverb in the delay loop
sounds particularly spacey. Or you could put your favourite
filter/distortion/tape saturation emulation in there.

See
http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/


cheers,
os.

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AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:                      http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
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Hi Loopers

personally, I appreciate that you find "human beings" on this list that you can also turn to for a personal question. I think it's also fair enough when people want to focus on this list just for looping business and filter everythng "OT".

Just one thing:
You guys are aware that every little thing you write here is readable & searchable in Google, right?

While I personally don't mind much about looping stuff, on personal matters I'm a bit more careful about privacy on the Internet.

But that's my opinion, as long as you're aware of what youre doing - fine with me! :-)
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At 3:09 PM +0200 6/5/08, Buzap Buzap wrote:
>
>Just one thing:
>You guys are aware that every little thing you write here is 
>readable & searchable in Google, right?
>
>While I personally don't mind much about looping stuff, on personal 
>matters I'm a bit more careful about privacy on the Internet.

Yeah, this point deserves a big +1, IMNSHO.

I've complained about this on multiple occasions, and it's the only 
reason why I now hide behind a pseudonym rather than posting under my 
proper name.

And concerns like these are not necessarily unfounded.  In the past, 
I used to post using my real name here.  Then, I took part in an OT 
conversation which veered off toward a couple of mildly racy 
subjects.  Not long after, I was confronted with this by my ex-wife 
(who had Google-stalked that conversation).  She then used that same 
LD thread to question/threaten my visitation rights with my son.

I didn't realize at the time that it was possible to pull up LD posts 
via a simple Google search.  More fool me; I figured that one out the 
hard way.

And, granted, not everybody's got a crazy ex- tracking their 
movements, but it might be worth keeping in mind that this list is 
currently open to the whole darn world.

>But that's my opinion, as long as you're aware of what youre doing - 
>fine with me! :-)

As Buzap rightly pointed out, it's definitely at the poster's 
discretion.  But one ought to at least stay cognizant of the privacy 
concerns here.

	--m.
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Again thanks so much for all of you who have shared some info on this off
topic.  I really appreciate the value of responding beyond the "muse" to th=
e
human factor as in the end it's all connected in our language of music.  I'=
m
catching up and responding to those of  you who shared your thoughts
directly to your emails and not using the thread for that.  Thanks again
folks for allowing me to bring in this part into this list.

Best

Jim



On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Loopers
>
> personally, I appreciate that you find "human beings" on this list that y=
ou
> can also turn to for a personal question. I think it's also fair enough w=
hen
> people want to focus on this list just for looping business and filter
> everythng "OT".
>
> Just one thing:
> You guys are aware that every little thing you write here is readable &
> searchable in Google, right?
>
> While I personally don't mind much about looping stuff, on personal matte=
rs
> I'm a bit more careful about privacy on the Internet.
>
> But that's my opinion, as long as you're aware of what youre doing - fine
> with me! :-)
> Buzap
>
> --
> Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!
> Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer
>
>


--=20
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Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
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<div>Again thanks so much for all of you who have shared some info on this =
off topic.&nbsp; I really appreciate the value of responding beyond the &qu=
ot;muse&quot; to the human factor as in the end it&#39;s all connected in o=
ur language of music.&nbsp; I&#39;m catching up and responding to those of&=
nbsp; you who shared your thoughts directly to your emails and not using th=
e thread for that.&nbsp; Thanks again folks for allowing me to bring in thi=
s part into this list.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Jim</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Buzap Buzap &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Loopers<br><br>personally, I =
appreciate that you find &quot;human beings&quot; on this list that you can=
 also turn to for a personal question. I think it&#39;s also fair enough wh=
en people want to focus on this list just for looping business and filter e=
verythng &quot;OT&quot;.<br>
<br>Just one thing:<br>You guys are aware that every little thing you write=
 here is readable &amp; searchable in Google, right?<br><br>While I persona=
lly don&#39;t mind much about looping stuff, on personal matters I&#39;m a =
bit more careful about privacy on the Internet.<br>
<br>But that&#39;s my opinion, as long as you&#39;re aware of what youre do=
ing - fine with me! :-)<br>Buzap<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>--<br>Der G=
MX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!<br>Ideal f=FC=
r Modem und ISDN: <a href=3D"http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer</a><br>
<br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic=
 World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href=3D"http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">htt=
p://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href=3D"http://www.my=
space.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href=3D"http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www=
.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapa=
intingmusic.com</a><br>
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Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don't follow the proper
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I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular buttons,
i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to do:
Record -> Undo
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I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button
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Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don&#39;t follow the proper format.<br><br>I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular buttons, i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to do:<br>
Record -&gt; Undo<br>Overdub -&gt; Record<br>Multiply -&gt; Overdub<br>Insert -&gt;Trigger<br>Mute -&gt; Stay the same<br>Undo -&gt; Multiply<br><br>I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej sooperlooper.<br>

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It's working fine over here.  Can you create (from scratch) a simple test
case that I can try on my machine?

 

From: Mike Crain [mailto:mike@mikecrain.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:35 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: LIVE 7 Bug???

 

Anyone having problems with the latest OS upgrade and LIVE 7??For some
reason, LIVE seems to operate fine at tempos around 90+. I haven't figured
it out yet, but AT 60BPM!! Whoa!! it has NO idea how to keep a beat and it's
really slow.

 

Weird. Help definitely appreciated!!! Thanks.

 

Mike Crain

Percussionist/Composer

Sacramento, CA 95818

mike@mikecrain.com

http://www.mikecrain.com

http://www.myspace.com/mikecraincom

 

" . . . . the proper artistic response to digital technology is to embrace

it as a new window on everything that's eternally human, and to use it

with passion, wisdom, fearlessness, and joy. "  - Ralph Lombreglia

 

 

 

 

 


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[mailto:mike@mikecrain.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:35 AM<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone having problems with the latest OS upgrade =
and LIVE
7??For some reason, LIVE seems to operate fine at tempos around 90+. I =
haven't
figured it out yet, but AT 60BPM!! Whoa!! it has NO idea how to keep a =
beat and
it's <b>really </b>slow.<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Weird. Help definitely appreciated!!! =
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proper
artistic response to digital</span></i></span><span =
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n,
wisdom, fearlessness, and joy.</span></i></span><span =
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> I didn't realize at the time that it was possible to pull up LD posts
> via a simple Google search.  More fool me; I figured that one out the
> hard way.

Even if it weren't, you don't know everyone on the list.

A good rule of thumb: Never post anything on an Internet forum that you
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i don't worry about "employers" but i do have problems with stalkers!  
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the searchable thing i find annoying.... because of spammers trolling  
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other lists i'm on don't publish the email addresses of subscribers,  
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seems kinda last millenium.


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If you're referring to the passive footswitch that Gibson sold for the EDP,
all you need to do is open it up and desolder the resistors from the current
switches and move them to where you want that function to "be".

TH

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:13 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don't follow the proper
> format.
>
> I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular
> buttons, i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like
> to do:
> Record -> Undo
> Overdub -> Record
> Multiply -> Overdub
> Insert ->Trigger
> Mute -> Stay the same
> Undo -> Multiply
>
> I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button
> assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej
> sooperlooper.
>

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If you&#39;re referring to the passive footswitch that Gibson sold for the EDP, all you need to do is open it up and desolder the resistors from the current switches and move them to where you want that function to &quot;be&quot;.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:13 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don&#39;t follow the proper format.<br><br>I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular buttons, i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to do:<br>

Record -&gt; Undo<br>Overdub -&gt; Record<br>Multiply -&gt; Overdub<br>Insert -&gt;Trigger<br>Mute -&gt; Stay the same<br>Undo -&gt; Multiply<br><br>I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej sooperlooper.<br>

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HOLY CRAP!!  The Moog Guitar sounds awesome - like an ebow on  
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And a mere $7,000 or so.

It would be nice.

Kevin

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>  Check out the video on Moog's home page.  http://moogmusic.com/
>
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And a mere $7,000 or so.<br><br>It would be nice.<br><br>Kevin<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Matthew F. McCabe &lt;<a href="mailto:mmccabe@finleysound.com">mmccabe@finleysound.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="">HOLY CRAP!! &nbsp;The Moog Guitar sounds awesome - like an ebow on&nbsp;steroids. &nbsp;Check out the video on Moog&#39;s home page. &nbsp;<a href="http://moogmusic.com" target="_blank">http://moogmusic.com</a>/<br>
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---</div><div style="margin: 0px;">King Never</div><div style="margin: 0px;"><a href="http://www.finleysound.com/kingnever" target="_blank"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 238);">www.kingnever.com</span></a></div><div><br></div>
<div><br></div><br></span> </div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a<br>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<br>
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I can email the construction sheet for the FS if anyone wants it. This
specifies what resistors go where. It's in word format; my Acrobat Distiller
has bitten the big one.

 

Andy Ewen,

Echoplex Production Manager, (well, until Gibson stopped ordering from us)

 

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From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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If you're referring to the passive footswitch that Gibson sold for the EDP,
all you need to do is open it up and desolder the resistors from the current
switches and move them to where you want that function to "be".

TH

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:13 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don't follow the proper
format.

I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular buttons,
i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to do:
Record -> Undo
Overdub -> Record
Multiply -> Overdub
Insert ->Trigger
Mute -> Stay the same
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I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button
assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej
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<br>
I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular =
buttons,
i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to =
do:<br>
Record -&gt; Undo<br>
Overdub -&gt; Record<br>
Multiply -&gt; Overdub<br>
Insert -&gt;Trigger<br>
Mute -&gt; Stay the same<br>
Undo -&gt; Multiply<br>
<br>
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Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding
resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other
functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you're referring to the passive footswitch that Gibson sold for the EDP,
> all you need to do is open it up and desolder the resistors from the current
> switches and move them to where you want that function to "be".
>
> TH
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:13 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don't follow the proper
>> format.
>>
>> I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular
>> buttons, i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like
>> to do:
>> Record -> Undo
>> Overdub -> Record
>> Multiply -> Overdub
>> Insert ->Trigger
>> Mute -> Stay the same
>> Undo -> Multiply
>>
>> I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button
>> assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej
>> sooperlooper.
>>
>
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Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If you&#39;re referring to the passive footswitch that Gibson sold for the EDP, all you need to do is open it up and desolder the resistors from the current switches and move them to where you want that function to &quot;be&quot;.<br>
<font color="#888888">
<br>TH</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:13 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey, this is my first post on here, so sorry if I don&#39;t follow the proper format.<br><br>I was wondering if it was possible to change function of particular buttons, i.e. reassign buttons to new functions. Here is what I would like to do:<br>


Record -&gt; Undo<br>Overdub -&gt; Record<br>Multiply -&gt; Overdub<br>Insert -&gt;Trigger<br>Mute -&gt; Stay the same<br>Undo -&gt; Multiply<br><br>I know this may seem odd, but I have become accustomed to the button assignments that I personalized while using a midi foot controller and essej sooperlooper.<br>


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No, the only functions which can be controlled by the resistor method are
those on the Gibson footpedal.  You want more than that, it's MIDI time.  It
may seem arbitrarily limited, but bear in mind the EDP was designed eons ago
from a tech standpoint.




On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding
> resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other
> functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.
>
>
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No, the only functions which can be controlled by the resistor method are those on the Gibson footpedal.&nbsp; You want more than that, it&#39;s MIDI time.&nbsp; It may seem arbitrarily limited, but bear in mind the EDP was designed eons ago from a tech standpoint.<br>
<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
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adto add the functions on the edp footpedal are those you want to have 
handy all the time, in case of.....

the power user probably uses the edp footpedal _and_ a midicontroler

Claude


Travis Hartnett a écrit :
> No, the only functions which can be controlled by the resistor method are
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> 
> 
> 
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> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding
>> resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other
>> functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.
>>
>>
>>
> 

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EDP secret

when MoreLoops = 1
the Next button functions as a trigger.

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That's impressive! Similar to this:
http://www.sustainiac.com/ ??

Same principle perhaps?!

Ricky

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  I WANT ONE!!


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Doesn't that depend on your SwitchQuant (Cycle, Loop, Cnf or Off) setting
and whether you've got a loop running at the time?  When I was using the
EFC-7 I remember that if I had more than one loop, I had the Next button set
to wait until the current loop ended before switching.  And I believe I kept
wishing that I had two Next buttons--one that waited, and one that didn't,
which I believe you can do via MIDI.


TH

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:39 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> EDP secret
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> andy butler
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Doesn&#39;t that depend on your SwitchQuant (Cycle, Loop, Cnf or Off) setting and whether you&#39;ve got a loop running at the time?&nbsp; When I was using the EFC-7 I remember that if I had more than one loop, I had the Next button set to wait until the current loop ended before switching.&nbsp; And I believe I kept wishing that I had two Next buttons--one that waited, and one that didn&#39;t, which I believe you can do via MIDI.<br>
<br><br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:39 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
EDP secret<br>
<br>
when MoreLoops = 1<br>
the Next button functions as a trigger.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
andy butler</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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Similar principle, but the Sustainiac always wants to favor one note even if
you're playing a chord, whereas one of the big selling points of the Moog
seems to be polyphony a la the Gizmotron.

Steep price though, and you have to use their guitar.  Still, very
interesting.

TH

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> http://www.sustainiac.com/ ??
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> Same principle perhaps?!
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Similar principle, but the Sustainiac always wants to favor one note even if you&#39;re playing a chord, whereas one of the big selling points of the Moog seems to be polyphony a la the Gizmotron.<br><br>Steep price though, and you have to use their guitar.&nbsp; Still, very interesting.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Ricky Graham &lt;<a href="mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com">rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div style="" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">That&#39;s impressive! Similar to this:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.sustainiac.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sustainiac.com/</a>&nbsp;??</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Same principle perhaps?!</font></div>
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nope, just set MoreLoops=1

and it works 

...you press Next
...and the ONE loop that you have triggers

doesn't even seem to be affected by Quantise.

afaik it's a suggestion by Claude Voit, so that the Next button
can actually do something when there isn't another loop to go to.


One downside is that it doesn't work from Mute.


andy


Travis Hartnett wrote:
> Doesn't that depend on your SwitchQuant (Cycle, Loop, Cnf or Off) 
> setting and whether you've got a loop running at the time?  When I was 
> using the EFC-7 I remember that if I had more than one loop, I had the 
> Next button set to wait until the current loop ended before switching.  
> And I believe I kept wishing that I had two Next buttons--one that 
> waited, and one that didn't, which I believe you can do via MIDI.
> 
> 
> TH
> 
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 2:39 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk 
> <mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     EDP secret
> 
>     when MoreLoops = 1
>     the Next button functions as a trigger.
> 
>     andy butler
> 
> 
> 

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I have a midibuddy foot controller that I was using for sooperlooper, I
might try to find a way to incorporate both.

My EDP comes in on Wednesday, so I will be able to mess with it then. I have
never used the insert of feedback functions, hmm.

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> No, the only functions which can be controlled by the resistor method are
> those on the Gibson footpedal.  You want more than that, it's MIDI time.  It
> may seem arbitrarily limited, but bear in mind the EDP was designed eons ago
> from a tech standpoint.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding
>> resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other
>> functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.
>>
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I have a midibuddy foot controller that I was using for sooperlooper, I might try to find a way to incorporate both. <br><br>My EDP comes in on Wednesday, so I will be able to mess with it then. I have never used the insert of feedback functions, hmm.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
No, the only functions which can be controlled by the resistor method are those on the Gibson footpedal.&nbsp; You want more than that, it&#39;s MIDI time.&nbsp; It may seem arbitrarily limited, but bear in mind the EDP was designed eons ago from a tech standpoint.<div>
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<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:03 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

Yes, but if there is no specific trigger function, and no corresponding resistor value, is it still possible to create one? All of the other functions can be changed, but I am not sure about the trigger.<div><div></div><div>

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Prompted by a recent article in the New York Times Magazine, I've returned
to the Looper's Delight fold so that I can offer a comment and an
opportunity.  

 

Let me say up front that I am a student of music but no musician. I am
however a producer of musical programming at WHUS Radio.  My current
production is "Moebius Trips,' a show exploring solo live looping as a
musical genre.  Inevitably my resources are restricted to recordings or to
live on-air performances.  In his New York Times essay (May 18, 2008) John
Wray discusses 'The Return of The One-Man-Band.'  To me the singular mark of
the one-man-band always has been that of a solo performer creating all
sounds in real time.  That said I will concede that the magic of live
looping by a solo artist in performance is an acceptable approximation.  

 

I have not witnessed a live performance by any of the artists interviewed
for Wray's Magazine article.  I have relied instead on online recordings and
on You Tube  videos (many of them unacceptable visually and sometimes
aurally) of the artists in performance.  From the information available to
me I have to say that the musicians chosen by Wray do not fully merit the
tag 'one man band.'

 

Among Wray's examples, Owen Pallett comes closest to my perception of a
live-looping one-man-band.  Certainly his stage performances do qualify -
but his recordings do not.  The latest CD, "He Poos Clouds,"  from Pallett's
so-called Final Fantasy solo project, features Pallett and no fewer than
seventeen other musicians and vocalists!  It is worth noting that Pallett is
a multi-instrumentalist, as well as a vocalist, but the violin appears to be
his preferred solo performance instrument.

 

The artist Annie Clark, aka St. Vincent, is a puzzle.  In performance she
appears as often as not with a backing band.  When she does appear solo it
is hard to detect the presence of looping.

 

As for Noah Lennox (aka Panda Bear), Wray's third exemplar of the modern
one-man-band, his live shows are mere Karaoke.  His only innovation seems to
be that he pre-records his own music and takes that material on the road for
his sing-along.

 

As noted, my resources for broadcasting rely heavily on CDs from live
looping artists.  I have been dismayed that so many of these recordings do
not represent live stage performances.  In a finished studio recording the
cumulated sounds of a solo performance might be heard but the creation of
those sounds is often masked by being pre-recorded as a bed for the
instrumental or vocal.  To my mind that makes the CD unrepresentative of the
solo stage performance.  

 

My own excitement about live looping comes from the progressive building and
layering of sound in which the on-stage soloist engages.  I view that
process of creation, be it the incorporation of varied sounds from many
instruments or from just a single instrument, as an integral part of the
performance.  Not being able to detect that building process in a studio
recording is nothing short of bait and switch.   It surely works the other
way too.  Someone who purchased a Final Fantasy CD might feel duped on
witnessing a live performance by Owen Pallett; no huge orchestra nor massive
chorus but just a guy with a fiddle, a weak voice, and some looping gear.  I
suspect that many WHUS listeners would be unhappy if I played a recording
which misrepresents what they could expect to hear at a concert.

 

I would appreciate comments on my observations.  I would also appreciate
receiving finished recordings which truly reflect live looping solo
performances.

 

Send any promotional materials to me at:

 

Joe Cavanagh

Producer

WHUS Radio

University of Connecticut

2110 Hillside Rd., Room 412

Storrs, CT 06269-3008R

USA 

 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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musician. I am however a producer of musical programming at WHUS =
Radio.&nbsp;
My current production is &=238220;Moebius Trips,&=238217; a show exploring =
solo live
looping as a musical genre.&nbsp; Inevitably my resources are restricted to
recordings or to live on-air performances.&nbsp; In his New York Times =
essay (May
18, 2008) John Wray discusses &=238216;The Return of The =
One-Man-Band.&=238217;&nbsp;
To me the singular mark of the one-man-band always has been that of a solo =
performer
creating all sounds in real time.&nbsp; That said I will concede that the =
magic
of live looping by a solo artist in performance is an acceptable
approximation.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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artists interviewed for Wray&=238217;s Magazine article.&nbsp; I have relied
instead on online recordings and on You Tube &nbsp;videos (many of them =
unacceptable
visually and sometimes aurally) of the artists in performance.&nbsp; From =
the
information available to me I have to say that the musicians chosen by =
Wray do
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band.&=238217;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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closest to
my perception of a live-looping one-man-band.&nbsp; Certainly his stage =
performances
do qualify - but his recordings do not.&nbsp; The latest CD, &=238220;He =
Poos
Clouds,&=238221; &nbsp;from Pallett&=238217;s so-called Final Fantasy solo =
project,
features Pallett and no fewer than seventeen other musicians and =
vocalists=21&nbsp;
It is worth noting that Pallett is a multi-instrumentalist, as well as a
vocalist, but the violin appears to be his preferred solo performance
instrument.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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w:st=3D=22on=22>St. Vincent</st1:place>,
is a puzzle.&nbsp; In performance she appears as often as not with a backing
band.&nbsp; When she does appear solo it is hard to detect the presence of =
looping.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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exemplar of the modern one-man-band, his live shows are mere =
Karaoke.&nbsp; His
only innovation seems to be that he pre-records his own music and takes that
material on the road for his sing-along.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As noted, my resources for broadcasting rely heavily on =
CDs
from live looping artists.&nbsp; I have been dismayed that so many of =
these recordings
do not represent live stage performances.&nbsp; In a finished studio =
recording
the cumulated sounds of a solo performance might be heard but the creation =
of
those sounds is often masked by being pre-recorded as a bed for the
instrumental or vocal.&nbsp; To my mind that makes the CD unrepresentative =
of
the solo stage performance.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My own excitement about live looping comes from the =
progressive
building and layering of sound in which the on-stage soloist =
engages.&nbsp; I
view that process of creation, be it the incorporation of varied sounds from
many instruments or from just a single instrument, as an integral part of =
the
performance.&nbsp; Not being able to detect that building process in a =
studio
recording is nothing short of bait and switch. &nbsp;&nbsp;It surely works =
the
other way too.&nbsp; Someone who purchased a Final Fantasy CD might feel =
duped on
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chorus but just a guy with a fiddle, a weak voice, and some looping =
gear.&nbsp;
I suspect that many WHUS listeners would be unhappy if I played a recording
which misrepresents what they could expect to hear at a =
concert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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would also appreciate receiving finished recordings which truly reflect live
looping solo performances.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Like any forum, you are going to get a hundred different answers. I =20
personally find the subject way less important to audiences then to =20
musicians. Really creative DJ's are some of the most revered live =20
performers today. You should also check out the Ableton Live forum. =20
You will get a whole different perspective.
On Jun 7, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Joseph Cavanagh wrote:

> Prompted by a recent article in the New York Times Magazine, I=92ve =20=

> returned to the Looper=92s Delight fold so that I can offer a comment =20=

> and an opportunity.
>
> Let me say up front that I am a student of music but no musician. I =20=

> am however a producer of musical programming at WHUS Radio.  My =20
> current production is =93Moebius Trips,=92 a show exploring solo live =20=

> looping as a musical genre.  Inevitably my resources are restricted =20=

> to recordings or to live on-air performances.  In his New York =20
> Times essay (May 18, 2008) John Wray discusses =91The Return of The =20=

> One-Man-Band.=92  To me the singular mark of the one-man-band always =20=

> has been that of a solo performer creating all sounds in real =20
> time.  That said I will concede that the magic of live looping by a =20=

> solo artist in performance is an acceptable approximation.
>
> I have not witnessed a live performance by any of the artists =20
> interviewed for Wray=92s Magazine article.  I have relied instead on =20=

> online recordings and on You Tube  videos (many of them =20
> unacceptable visually and sometimes aurally) of the artists in =20
> performance.  =46rom the information available to me I have to say =20
> that the musicians chosen by Wray do not fully merit the tag =91one =20=

> man band.=92
>
> Among Wray=92s examples, Owen Pallett comes closest to my perception =20=

> of a live-looping one-man-band.  Certainly his stage performances =20
> do qualify - but his recordings do not.  The latest CD, =93He Poos =20
> Clouds,=94  from Pallett=92s so-called Final Fantasy solo project, =20
> features Pallett and no fewer than seventeen other musicians and =20
> vocalists!  It is worth noting that Pallett is a multi-=20
> instrumentalist, as well as a vocalist, but the violin appears to =20
> be his preferred solo performance instrument.
>
> The artist Annie Clark, aka St. Vincent, is a puzzle.  In =20
> performance she appears as often as not with a backing band.  When =20
> she does appear solo it is hard to detect the presence of looping.
>
> As for Noah Lennox (aka Panda Bear), Wray=92s third exemplar of the =20=

> modern one-man-band, his live shows are mere Karaoke.  His only =20
> innovation seems to be that he pre-records his own music and takes =20
> that material on the road for his sing-along.
>
> As noted, my resources for broadcasting rely heavily on CDs from =20
> live looping artists.  I have been dismayed that so many of these =20
> recordings do not represent live stage performances.  In a finished =20=

> studio recording the cumulated sounds of a solo performance might =20
> be heard but the creation of those sounds is often masked by being =20
> pre-recorded as a bed for the instrumental or vocal.  To my mind =20
> that makes the CD unrepresentative of the solo stage performance.
>
> My own excitement about live looping comes from the progressive =20
> building and layering of sound in which the on-stage soloist =20
> engages.  I view that process of creation, be it the incorporation =20
> of varied sounds from many instruments or from just a single =20
> instrument, as an integral part of the performance.  Not being able =20=

> to detect that building process in a studio recording is nothing =20
> short of bait and switch.   It surely works the other way too.  =20
> Someone who purchased a Final Fantasy CD might feel duped on =20
> witnessing a live performance by Owen Pallett; no huge orchestra =20
> nor massive chorus but just a guy with a fiddle, a weak voice, and =20
> some looping gear.  I suspect that many WHUS listeners would be =20
> unhappy if I played a recording which misrepresents what they could =20=

> expect to hear at a concert.
>
> I would appreciate comments on my observations.  I would also =20
> appreciate receiving finished recordings which truly reflect live =20
> looping solo performances.
>
> Send any promotional materials to me at:
>
> Joe Cavanagh
> Producer
> WHUS Radio
> University of Connecticut
> 2110 Hillside Rd., Room 412
> Storrs, CT 06269-3008R
> USA
>
> Thanks and best wishes to all.
>
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Like any forum, you are going to get a hundred different answers. I =
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performers today. You should also check out the Ableton Live forum. You =
will get a whole different perspective.=A0<div><div><div><div>On Jun 7, =
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">Prompted by a recent article in the New York Times Magazine, I=92ve =
returned to the Looper=92s Delight fold so that I can offer a comment =
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Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Let me say up front that I am a student of =
music but no musician. I am however a producer of musical programming at =
WHUS Radio.=A0 My current production is =93Moebius Trips,=92 a show =
exploring solo live looping as a musical genre.=A0 Inevitably my =
resources are restricted to recordings or to live on-air performances.=A0 =
In his New York Times essay (May 18, 2008) John Wray discusses =91The =
Return of The One-Man-Band.=92=A0 To me the singular mark of the =
one-man-band always has been that of a solo performer creating all =
sounds in real time.=A0 That said I will concede that the magic of live =
looping by a solo artist in performance is an acceptable =
approximation.=A0<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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have not witnessed a live performance by any of the artists interviewed =
for Wray=92s Magazine article.=A0 I have relied instead on online =
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and sometimes aurally) of the artists in performance.=A0 =46rom the =
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">Among Wray=92s examples, Owen Pallett comes closest to my perception =
of a live-looping one-man-band.=A0 Certainly his stage performances do =
qualify - but his recordings do not.=A0 The latest CD, =93He Poos =
Clouds,=94 =A0from Pallett=92s so-called Final Fantasy solo project, =
features Pallett and no fewer than seventeen other musicians and =
vocalists!=A0 It is worth noting that Pallett is a =
multi-instrumentalist, as well as a vocalist, but the violin appears to =
be his preferred solo performance =
instrument.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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artist Annie Clark, aka<span =
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Vincent</st1:place>, is a puzzle.=A0 In performance she appears as often =
as not with a backing band.=A0 When she does appear solo it is hard to =
detect the presence of looping.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
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10pt; font-family: Arial; ">As for Noah Lennox (aka Panda Bear), Wray=92s =
third exemplar of the modern one-man-band, his live shows are mere =
Karaoke.=A0 His only innovation seems to be that he pre-records his own =
music and takes that material on the road for his =
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face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">As =
noted, my resources for broadcasting rely heavily on CDs from live =
looping artists.=A0 I have been dismayed that so many of these =
recordings do not represent live stage performances.=A0 In a finished =
studio recording the cumulated sounds of a solo performance might be =
heard but the creation of those sounds is often masked by being =
pre-recorded as a bed for the instrumental or vocal.=A0 To my mind that =
makes the CD unrepresentative of the solo stage =
performance.=A0<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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own excitement about live looping comes from the progressive building =
and layering of sound in which the on-stage soloist engages.=A0 I view =
that process of creation, be it the incorporation of varied sounds from =
many instruments or from just a single instrument, as an integral part =
of the performance.=A0 Not being able to detect that building process in =
a studio recording is nothing short of bait and switch. =A0=A0It surely =
works the other way too.=A0 Someone who purchased a Final Fantasy CD =
might feel duped on witnessing a live performance by Owen Pallett; no =
huge orchestra nor massive chorus but just a guy with a fiddle, a weak =
voice, and some looping gear.=A0 I suspect that many WHUS listeners =
would be unhappy if I played a recording which misrepresents what they =
could expect to hear at a concert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
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Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Arial; ">I would appreciate comments on my =
observations.=A0 I would also appreciate receiving finished recordings =
which truly reflect live looping solo =
performances.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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Welcome back :-)

andy butler

Phil Zurcher wrote:
> Hi again
> 
> Back to the list: TLAFKAZ
> 
> (The Loopy Artist Formerly Known As Zurrigo)
> 
> Hope all of you are just fine! - Swiss Cheers 
> 
> 
> Philipp Zurcher
> Elfenauweg 2
> CH-3006 Bern
> Switzerland
> 
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> +41 78 623 13 13  (Mobile)
> 
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> 

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Joseph Cavanagh wrote:
  
> 
> My own excitement about live looping comes from the progressive building 
> and layering of sound in which the on-stage soloist engages. 

oh, that's just the beginning of what is possible 


>  
> 
> I would appreciate comments on my observations.  

essentially, you just arrived at exactly the right place.


>I would also appreciate 
> receiving finished recordings which truly reflect live looping solo 
> performances.
> 

will do


andy butler
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ps
check out some of the live loopers on Myspace

try
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...and their "top friends" too

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information on=20
Kribophoric at (<A=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/Kribophoric">www.papercutsrecords=
.com/Kribophoric</A>)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Video of =
Kribophoric live=20
at the Boise Experimental Music Festival at (</FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/PaperCutsRecords"><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
color=3D#800080>www.youtube.com/PaperCutsRecords</FONT></A><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Buy =
Kribophoric=92s new album=20
=93Visceral=94 at (<A=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/BUY">www.papercutsrecords.com/BUY=
</A>)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Issue #2 of =
Paper Cuts and=20
more artists on the way for the summer of 08. =
<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New&#13;&#10; Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Bravo!<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Paper Cuts =
Records <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">-------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></FONT=
></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">RELEASES</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">+DOG+ - =

"DUST"</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PCR02=20
(CDR)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">$7 (S/H=20
Included)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">+DOG+ is a =
complete free=20
for all approach to sound with a variety of characters acting in some =
bizarre=20
and yes noisy play. Sheet metal, chains, homemade electronics, drills, =
synths,=20
guitars, drum machines are just some of the instruments used to create =
one=20
tragic hypnotic passage to noise bliss. Steve Davis the founder of this=20
revolving ensemble draws from Japanese acts like Hijokaidan, Masonna, =
and=20
Solmania, to carry on a tradition that seems to be lost in the current =
West=20
Coast Noise scene. Not to mention, he puts together some great =
listenable noise=20
albums.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A title=3Dhttp://www.papercutsrecords.com/dog =

href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/dog"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">www.papercutsrecords.com/dog</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">SEND MY =
REGARDS -=20
"CITY BELLS"</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PCR01=20
(CDR)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">$6 (S/H=20
Included)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">It's been =
awhile since we=20
heard from this talented electronic duo, which have been spending the =
last three=20
years engulfed in the Transhumans. Now that they have the time to get =
back to=20
their roots of free electronics, another baby has been born. "City =
Bells" is=20
their first release on Paper Cuts Records and a perfect follow up to =
"Grandmas=20
Cookies" released in 2005. Justin Cassidy and Patrick Rodriguez have put =

together another travel into lost ambience, cold loops, and clean bell=20
sounds.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A =
title=3Dhttp://www.papercutsrecords.com/SendMyRegards=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/SendMyRegards"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">www.papercutsrecords.com/SendMyRegards</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">LOST =
COWBOY SONGS -=20
"MY PROSTHETIC SKY'</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PCR04 ('3'MINI=20
CDR)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">$4 (S/H=20
Included)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">This <st1:City=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Los Angeles</st1:place></st1:City> =
based artist=20
is making his way through the over populated territories of noise acts, =
but I=20
wouldn't necessarily say he is straight noise. Ralf Lowi AKA Lost Cowboy =
Songs=20
mixes experimentation, dark ambient, and noise into a boiling pot to =
produce one=20
flavorful stimulating experience. His new release "My Prosthetic Sky" on =
Paper=20
Cuts Records is well put together '3' mini disk that displays the =
variety of=20
paths he likes to take. Very interested on how this artist=20
develops.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A =
title=3Dhttp://www.papercutsrecords.com/LostCowboySongs=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/LostCowboySongs"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">www.papercutsrecords.com/LostCowboySongs</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">SOUNDPROOF -=20
"REDUX"</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PCR03=20
(CDR)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">$11 (S/H=20
Included)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Bob Sterling =
and Christian=20
Clay established Soundproof in 2001, but you would almost think some of =
the=20
songs were recorded in the 50's or 60's. Not because of sound quality =
but=20
because of the Exotica, Les Baxter, Whitenoise feel to it. Both were =
gracious=20
enough to let Paper Cuts Records put together "Redux", a collection of =
songs=20
from their four albums. They are no longer performing or recording but =
the magic=20
is captured with this release.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A =
title=3Dhttp://www.papercutsrecords.com/Soundproof=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/Soundproof"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">www.papercutsrecords.com/Soundproof</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p><=
/FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">PAPER =
CUTS ZINE -=20
1ST ISSUE</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">$4 (S/H=20
Included)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Mini=20
CDR:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Send My=20
Regards<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">+DOG+<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Soundproof<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Lost Cowboy=20
Songs<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Interviews:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Send My=20
Regards<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Bob Sterling=20
(Soundproof)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New&#13;&#10; Roman">Lost =
Cowboy=20
Songs<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Steve Davis=20
(+DOG+)<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Krispen=20
Hartung<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">LOB<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Danger<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Reviews:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Saints<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Tik///Tik<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Colter Frazier =
/ Rob=20
Wallace Duo<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Smegma<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman">Whitenoise<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Phog=20
Masheen<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Weather=20
Report<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Jeff Kaiser / =
Woody=20
Aplanalp<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Sonny Rollins =
and Coleman=20
Hawkins<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Throbbing=20
Gristle<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">and much=20
more...<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A =
title=3Dhttp://www.papercutsrecords.com/PaperCutsZine=20
href=3D"http://www.papercutsrecords.com/PaperCutsZine"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New =
Roman">www.papercutsrecords.com/PaperCutsZine</FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN=
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Hi Philipp

It's good to have another compatriot on the list.

Cheers from Winterthur

Nico

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Am 07.06.2008 um 22:52 schrieb Phil Zurcher:

> Hi again
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Hi Joseph,

before I go into any details, note that the required formatting for this
list is plain text, not HTML as you used.

That being said: there are a lot of discussions in this mailing list's
archives about the validity of using pre-recorded samples in a live looping
performance. The short summary is: some believe in it, others don't.

Some artists sound different on an album than they do live. Sometimes, the
live version is better, sometimes it's worse, sometimes it's different. I
personally believe that this is well ok (but then, my original music in this
millenium was freely improvised exclusively, so for that reason live
performances will always sound different than any release). This is true for
many loopers, but contrary to the example quoted by you, in many cases the
live performances will sound similar to the album releases.

One important point regarding your message seems to be to me that while we
are all looping musicians here, this doesn't necessarily make us one-man
bands, although solo performances are by far the most common lineup for
loopers [1].

Finally, I'd like you to direct you to two recordings of mine which are
available under creative commons license [2]. 
The first one, "Quelques Papiers D'Abord", is definitely not a one-man band
- it's a collection of realtime internet collaborations in my "kybermusik"
performance series, which has also been featured at Y2K6loopfest, Finloop
and BEMF3. Each track features two to three performers who sit at different
locations - most of them loop, some don't. So although these tracks (with
the exception of "Advantages in Freeform Breeding") are not "live" in the
sense of "in front of an audience", they are all direct-to-2bus improvised
performances.
The second one, "Weird Specialist", is an unordered collection of some of my
solo (i.e. "one man band") recordings. Again, all of them have been recorded
direct-to-2bus, and some of them ("The Streets", "I left my Pants in San
Francisco") also in front of a live audience. But again, everything is "from
the moment", so probably my live shows don't sound exactly the same (and
people who heard my recent performances at BEMF3 and Berlin Loopfest will
agree that they actually sound vastly different).
For background info on these, please visit my website [3].

Best,

	Rainer


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[1] In a survey conducted by the author of this email, 97% of the population
would use looping in solo performances, while 51% would use it in an
ensemble context.
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200709/msg01183.html
[2] http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/
[3] http://www.moinlabs.de

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Hi Joe

we have just recently discussed this topic 3-4 weeks ago in all depth...
Check for the thread "Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating?" in the LD archives

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Gi Phil, nice to hear from you.
Hope all is well in your life. New music project ?

fabio
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   Actually it seems that this topic is itself, a loop!  It just keeps  
coming around and around and around and around and around in one form  
or another.  :)

   This has happened for many years here.

Smiles,

cQ  :)


On Jun 8, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

> Hi Joe
>
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> Check for the thread "Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating?" in the  
> LD archives
>
> Cheers
> Buzap
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Matthew F. McCabe
<mmccabe@finleysound.com> wrote:
> HOLY CRAP!!  The Moog Guitar sounds awesome - like an ebow on steroids.
>  Check out the video on Moog's home page.  http://moogmusic.com/
>
> ---
> King Never
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Fantastic! Anyone knows where they have put the video that was up in
April? That one had much more parts of actually playing the
instrument. I want to hear more what it can do in music, not just
these quick trying-it-out-for-the-first-time-and-going-oh-wow-amazing
clips.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I love the sound of volume swells into high feedback delay / massive 100% w=
et reverbs. It's great for those ambient drone sounds. A problem to me is, =
if You want to follow a chord progression it easily just turns into a big t=
onal wash.So I came up with the following idea for a custom pedal:- one inp=
ut, one output, 2 always-on parallel loops (loopA, loop B)- loop A and B ca=
n be seamlessly blended/mixed via an extern expression pedal (Roland EV5) i=
nto an expression jack (I don't want a rocker style pedal, prefer external =
expression control)- the blending works in 2 ways at the same time, at the =
send AND the return side of each loop but in opposite direction. Example: W=
hen Loop A return is 100%, then is LoopA send 0%, LoopB return 0% and LoopB=
 send 100%In each loop will be an verbzilla with 100% wet, max decay cave s=
etting. The operation would be like this:1) play a chord (swelled in via an=
 autovolume pedal) to feed Loop A (which send is 100% open)2) move the exp =
pedal in the opposite direction. The loop A return is now 100% open, so tha=
t You can hear the first chord now.3) While the first chord is still ringin=
g You play the next one which now feeds loop B but cannot be heard as Loop =
B's return is closed4) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. You bl=
end in the second chord while the first one disappears.5) go on with 3) and=
 4) for each new chordIf You just want the sound be let through as normal Y=
ou park the exp pedal in the middle, so both loops get 50% and put out 50% =
all the time.What Do You guys think?
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Marco Coblenz <maracox@hotmail.de> wrote:
>
>
> I love the sound of volume swells into high feedback delay / massive 100%
> wet reverbs. It's great for those ambient drone sounds. A problem to me is,
> if You want to follow a chord progression it easily just turns into a big
> tonal wash.
>
> So I came up with the following idea for a custom pedal:
>
> - one input, one output, 2 always-on parallel loops (loopA, loop B)
>
> - loop A and B can be seamlessly blended/mixed via an extern expression
> pedal (Roland EV5) into an expression jack (I don't want a rocker style
> pedal, prefer external expression control)
>
> - the blending works in 2 ways at the same time, at the send AND the return
> side of each loop but in opposite direction. Example: When Loop A return is
> 100%, then is LoopA send 0%, LoopB return 0% and LoopB send 100%
>
> In each loop will be an verbzilla with 100% wet, max decay cave setting. The
> operation would be like this:
> 1) play a chord (swelled in via an autovolume pedal) to feed Loop A (which
> send is 100% open)
> 2) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. The loop A return is now
> 100% open, so that You can hear the first chord now.
> 3) While the first chord is still ringing You play the next one which now
> feeds loop B but cannot be heard as Loop B's return is closed
> 4) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. You blend in the second
> chord while the first one disappears.
> 5) go on with 3) and 4) for each new chord
>
> If You just want the sound be let through as normal You park the exp pedal
> in the middle, so both loops get 50% and put out 50% all the time.
>
> What Do You guys think?


I think this is a very good idea! Would be perfect if using a guitar
to accompany a soloist with washy sound.

I use a related technique with only one loop where I put an Envelop
Follower on the input signal of the loop and set up the looper's
feedback to follow the input level negatively (via the Envelop
Follower). This means that when there is a sound input the looper's
feedback goes down to zero (i.e. new audio gets into the loop to
replace old audio) but when there is no sound input the looper's
feedback is kept at 100 percent (i.e. loop keeps droning). This makes
it also possible to change a short section of a longer loop only by
playing something for the actual duration.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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It sounds like it would work as long as the amount of time between chord
changes is greater than the amount of time it takes a chord to die out in
the reverb/delay effect. If not, then the first chord would still be ringing
in the first delay/reverb when you were playing the third chord into it.

Another way to do this kind of thing is to have a pedal that controls
the decay time on the delay/reverb effect. You can rock this pedal back to
get the first chord to die out quickly before (or while) you play in the
second chord. Then return the pedal to the original state to get the second
chord to sustain. This could, of course, be combined with your method if
the decay times of the two delay/reverb effects were tied to the same pedal
as the sends and returns.

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<div>It sounds like it would work as long as the amount of time between chord changes is greater than the amount of time it takes a chord to die out in the reverb/delay effect. If not, then the first chord would still be ringing in the first delay/reverb&nbsp;when you were playing the third chord into it.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Another way to do this kind of thing is to have a pedal that controls the&nbsp;decay time&nbsp;on the delay/reverb effect. You can rock this pedal back to get the first chord to die out quickly before (or while) you play in the second chord. Then return the pedal to the original state to get the second chord to sustain. This could, of course, be combined with your method if the&nbsp;decay times&nbsp;of the two delay/reverb effects were tied to the same pedal as the sends and returns.<br clear="all">
<br>-- <br>Mark Smart<br><a href="http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart">http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart</a><br><a href="http://www.marksmart.net">http://www.marksmart.net</a> </div>

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Hi Marco.

So when you fade up the 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st chord which is still 
in the first loop :-(
In the worst case, you end up fading between 2 different big tonal washes.




I get the sort of effect you're after in the following way,
except that I don't have an autoswell,
so make the swells with an expression pedal.

I have an expression pedal which simultaneously controls the dry volume, the input 
level to an echo and
feedback on the echo. 
(actually it controls that for 2 LR panned echoes of different length, and
also messes with modulation in the feedback loop, but the principle his the 
same).

So I hit a chord and swell it  with the expression pedal,
..as long as I hold the pedal down the chord sustains.
To change chord, I just bring my toe up, and play another one.

By varying the amount of feedback in the toe up position, along with
the delay time, I can vary how quick I want the response to be.

I do this with a Lexicon Vortex, but the technique should work
on other devices.

example:-

http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/moonset.mp3

andy butler
ps.
Just noticed that Mark Smart already answered this,
but with slighty different explanation.


Marco Coblenz wrote:
>  
>  
> I love the sound of volume swells into high feedback delay / massive 
> 100% wet reverbs. It's great for those ambient drone sounds. A problem 
> to me is, if You want to follow a chord progression it easily just turns 
> into a big tonal wash.
> 
> So I came up with the following idea for a custom pedal:
> 
> - one input, one output, 2 always-on parallel loops (loopA, loop B)
> 
> - loop A and B can be seamlessly blended/mixed via an extern expression 
> pedal (Roland EV5) into an expression jack (I don't want a rocker style 
> pedal, prefer external expression control)
> 
> - the blending works in 2 ways at the same time, at the send AND the 
> return side of each loop but in opposite direction. Example: When Loop A 
> return is 100%, then is LoopA send 0%, LoopB return 0% and LoopB send 100%
> 
> In each loop will be an verbzilla with 100% wet, max decay cave setting. 
> The operation would be like this:
> 1) play a chord (swelled in via an autovolume pedal) to feed Loop A 
> (which send is 100% open)
> 2) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. The loop A return is 
> now 100% open, so that You can hear the first chord now.
> 3) While the first chord is still ringing You play the next one which 
> now feeds loop B but cannot be heard as Loop B's return is closed
> 4) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. You blend in the second 
> chord while the first one disappears.
> 5) go on with 3) and 4) for each new chord
> 
> If You just want the sound be let through as normal You park the exp 
> pedal in the middle, so both loops get 50% and put out 50% all the time.
> 
> What Do You guys think?
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Hi Andy,
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You wrote:
 "So when you fade up the 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st chord which=
 is still in the first loop :-(In the worst case, you end up fading between=
 2 different big tonal washes."
I think this is only partly true, because the chord in the first loop has d=
ouble the time to decay. If this still isn't enough You have to adjust the =
decay time on the reverb.
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:57:43 +0100> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> To: L=
oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: pedal idea for ambient sou=
nds (not necessarily looping related)> > Hi Marco.> > So when you fade up t=
he 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st chord which is still > in the firs=
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 (actually it controls that for 2 LR panned echoes of different length, and=
> also messes with modulation in the feedback loop, but the principle his t=
he > same).> > So I hit a chord and swell it with the expression pedal,> ..=
as long as I hold the pedal down the chord sustains.> To change chord, I ju=
st bring my toe up, and play another one.> > By varying the amount of feedb=
ack in the toe up position, along with> the delay time, I can vary how quic=
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3) While the first chord is still ringing You play the next one which > > n=
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Hi Andy,<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
You wrote:<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>"So when you fade up the 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st ch=
ord which is still <BR>in the first loop :-(<BR>In the worst case, you end =
up fading between 2 different big tonal washes."<BR><BR>
I think this is only partly true, because the chord in the first loop has d=
ouble the time to decay. If this still isn't enough You have to adjust the =
decay time on the reverb.<BR>
<BR>&gt; Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:57:43 +0100<BR>&gt; From: akbutler@tiscal=
i.co.uk<BR>&gt; To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>&gt; Subject: Re=
: pedal idea for ambient sounds (not necessarily looping related)<BR>&gt; <=
BR>&gt; Hi Marco.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; So when you fade up the 3rd chord you al=
so bring back the 1st chord which is still <BR>&gt; in the first loop :-(<B=
R>&gt; In the worst case, you end up fading between 2 different big tonal w=
ashes.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I get the sort of effect=
 you're after in the following way,<BR>&gt; except that I don't have an aut=
oswell,<BR>&gt; so make the swells with an expression pedal.<BR>&gt; <BR>&g=
t; I have an expression pedal which simultaneously controls the dry volume,=
 the input <BR>&gt; level to an echo and<BR>&gt; feedback on the echo. <BR>=
&gt; (actually it controls that for 2 LR panned echoes of different length,=
 and<BR>&gt; also messes with modulation in the feedback loop, but the prin=
ciple his the <BR>&gt; same).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; So I hit a chord and swell i=
t with the expression pedal,<BR>&gt; ..as long as I hold the pedal down the=
 chord sustains.<BR>&gt; To change chord, I just bring my toe up, and play =
another one.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; By varying the amount of feedback in the toe =
up position, along with<BR>&gt; the delay time, I can vary how quick I want=
 the response to be.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I do this with a Lexicon Vortex, but =
the technique should work<BR>&gt; on other devices.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; exampl=
e:-<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/moonset.mp3<BR>&gt; <BR>=
&gt; andy butler<BR>&gt; ps.<BR>&gt; Just noticed that Mark Smart already a=
nswered this,<BR>&gt; but with slighty different explanation.<BR>&gt; <BR>&=
gt; <BR>&gt; Marco Coblenz wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =
I love the sound of volume swells into high feedback delay / massive <BR>&g=
t; &gt; 100% wet reverbs. It's great for those ambient drone sounds. A prob=
lem <BR>&gt; &gt; to me is, if You want to follow a chord progression it ea=
sily just turns <BR>&gt; &gt; into a big tonal wash.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; =
&gt; So I came up with the following idea for a custom pedal:<BR>&gt; &gt; =
<BR>&gt; &gt; - one input, one output, 2 always-on parallel loops (loopA, l=
oop B)<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; - loop A and B can be seamlessly blended/=
mixed via an extern expression <BR>&gt; &gt; pedal (Roland EV5) into an exp=
ression jack (I don't want a rocker style <BR>&gt; &gt; pedal, prefer exter=
nal expression control)<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; - the blending works in =
2 ways at the same time, at the send AND the <BR>&gt; &gt; return side of e=
ach loop but in opposite direction. Example: When Loop A <BR>&gt; &gt; retu=
rn is 100%, then is LoopA send 0%, LoopB return 0% and LoopB send 100%<BR>&=
gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; In each loop will be an verbzilla with 100% wet, max=
 decay cave setting. <BR>&gt; &gt; The operation would be like this:<BR>&gt=
; &gt; 1) play a chord (swelled in via an autovolume pedal) to feed Loop A =
<BR>&gt; &gt; (which send is 100% open)<BR>&gt; &gt; 2) move the exp pedal =
in the opposite direction. The loop A return is <BR>&gt; &gt; now 100% open=
, so that You can hear the first chord now.<BR>&gt; &gt; 3) While the first=
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Who wants to loop in Pittsburgh PA? I'm going to be there on Friday, 
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gallery space to play in, and SRM450's to play thru, but floor space to 
crash upon. Is there anyone who'd be interested in joining us? The 
evening is ours to do with as we wish.

could be pretty cool...!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

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Mike Crain schrieb:
> Anyone having problems with the latest OS upgrade and LIVE 7??For some 
> reason, LIVE seems to operate fine at tempos around 90+. I haven't 
> figured it out yet, but AT 60BPM!! Whoa!! it has NO idea how to keep a 
> beat and it's *really *slow.

Did you try with airport switched off?...

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I'll be in Pittsburgh on July 6, looping at the Thunderbird Cafe. 
Sorry I can't stay til the 18th!




At 10:15 AM -0500 6/9/08, Daryl Shawn wrote:
>Who wants to loop in Pittsburgh PA? I'm going to be there on Friday, 
>July 18, and the mighty Klobuchar is generously offering not only a 
>gallery space to play in, and SRM450's to play thru, but floor space 
>to crash upon. Is there anyone who'd be interested in joining us? 
>The evening is ours to do with as we wish.
>
>could be pretty cool...!
>
>Daryl Shawn
>www.swanwelder.com
>www.chinapaintingmusic.com


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I leave for CA on Thursday to start my 33-date tour of the southwest and 
northeast US. Along the way I'll have the good fortune to be playing 
with a number of list members: Ted Harms, Michael Klobuchar, Dennis 
Moser, Tim Nelson, Emile Tobenfeld, and of course with Jim Goodin as 
Chinapainting. I would dearly love to meet other people along the way.

A good portion of the shows are loop-oriented (that is, cassette loop 
improv), the others are half-singing/half-instrumental sets. The singing 
stuff is quasi-flamenco-indie-acoustic-pop, the instrumentals are 
eclectic but have a toe in flamenco, minimalist, new folk, 
what-have-you. I'll be playing a lot of tunes from my brand-new solo 
guitar release "As Promised". More about that, with clips, here: 
http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/aspromised.htm

Here's the schedule in brief, with the loop shows noted. Full details on 
my calendar - http://www.swanwelder.com/calendar.htm

# Friday, June 13 - Experimental Cafe, Oxnard, CA
# Saturday, June 14 - Echo Curio, Los Angeles CA (solo looping set, 
w/Fantastic Ego, Warm Climate, DJ Yo-Yo Dieting, all RPM participants)
# Sunday, June 15 - Air-Conditioned Lounge, Venice CA
# Tuesday, June 17 - eVocal, Costa Mesa, CA (still not confirmed....aargh..)
# Wednesday, June 18 - E Street Cafe, Encinitas (San Diego), CA
# Friday, June 20 - Fiddler's Dream, Phoenix, AZ
# Saturday, June 21 - Dry River, Tucson, AZ (solo looping set, w/Bird 
Names, Paul Baribeau, Great Job, Michael Huerta)
# Sunday, June 22 - The Planet Coffeehouse, Tucson, AZ
# Wednesday, June 25 - Dagny's Downtown, Bakersfield, CA
# Thursday, June 26 - Viento y Agua, Long Beach, CA
# Monday, June 30 - True Love Coffee House, Sacramento, CA (solo looping 
set, part of Home Haircut Series w/Ross Hammond)
# Tuesday, July 1 - Javawava, Fresno, CA
# Thursday, July 3 - Luggage Store Gallery San Francisco, CA (solo 
looping set, part of New Music Series)
# Saturday, July 5 - Meridian Gallery, San Francisco, CA 
(all-instrumental solo guitar recital)
# Wednesday, July 9 - The Fire, Philadelphia, PA
# Thursday, July 10 - Wings To Go, Philadelphia, PA
# Friday, July 11 - The Coffee Company, Lancaster, PA
# Saturday, July 12 - Max Crema's, Fleetwood, PA
# Sunday, July 13 - Cornerstone Coffeehouse, Camp Hill, PA
# Monday, July 14 - Milk Boy Coffee, Bryn Mawr, PA
# Tuesday, July 15 - Arefa's Espresso, Squirrel Hill (Pittsburgh), PA
# Wednesday, July 16 - Cafe Connections, South Oakland (Pittsburgh), PA
# Thursday, July 17 - Barking Spider Tavern, Cleveland, OH
# Friday, July 18 - International Childrens Art Gallery, Pittsburgh, PA 
(looping with Michael Klobuchar, others??)
# Saturday, July 19 - Toronto Noise Promotions event, Toronto, ON (solo 
looping noise set)
# Sunday, July 20 - Bread and Circus, Toronto, ON (looping set with 
guests, including Ted Harms on bass and improv dancers!)
# Tuesday, July 22 - Le Cagibi, Montreal, Quebec (solo looping set, part 
of Mardi Spaghetti series)
# Friday, July 25 - The Skinny Pancake, Burlington, VT
# Saturday, July 26 - The Stain Bar, Brooklyn, VT (Chinapainting)
# Sunday, July 27 - ABC No Rio, Manhattan, NY (Chinapainting, as part of 
COMA series)
# Monday, July 28 - Mud NYC, Manhattan, NY (Chinapainting, all-acoustic 
(no loops...))
# Wednesday, July 30 - Banjo Jim's, Manhattan, NY
# Saturday, August 2 - Boston MA (Chinapainting, plus Dennis Moser, Rob 
Byrd, Tim Nelson, Emile Tobenfeld)

I'll try to keep up a tour diary on the blog on my site.

hope to see some of you out there,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

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I'm all about it. Put me down for a yes please. I'm not very far and it sou=
nds like an event not to be missed.

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--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:

> From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>
> Subject: Pittsburgh looping
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 11:15 AM
> Who wants to loop in Pittsburgh PA? I'm going to be
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> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com=0A=0A=0A      

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I'm checking to see whether my son's camp visiting day (in Northeastern PA)  
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do this.  If I get the go ahead I'd love to join you.
 
Harry
 
Harry  Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th  Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)  989-2908



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AweSOME! Cool, Steven, I'm excited to meet you and hear you play.

As more people sign on, we'll be looking at ways to arrange things. 
Would you be open to a collaboration of some kind, or would you prefer a 
solo set? Let us know (offlist) - we'll keep you posted on developments.

thanks for throwing your hat in this here ring..!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

> I'm all about it. Put me down for a yes please. I'm not very far and it sounds like an event not to be missed.
>
>    www.myspace.com/mesqua  www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero

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YIKES! after blaming a dying MOFX or a dogy midi lead, or wonky settings..
im beginning to fear that my beloved EDP has started putting out bad wobbly
midi clock. Main Clue is the wobbly echos from the MOFX (which MIGHT be
dying) and weird wobly bpm readings on both my Repeater and my Red Sound
Federation.

Please can some clever EDP=E9r (Andy B that means YOU) tell me not to worry
its only that chip re-seating malarky... happens all the time... or is...
um... gulp... serious... I can take it, give it to me straight..

love Mark

PS: the edp is completely normally operating in all other ways, but for the
wobbly echos from the MOFX and wobbly displays from above items OH.. and NO=
N
synching arpegiator from my git synth too... damn... I would never have
known...



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YIKES! after blaming a dying MOFX or a dogy midi lead, or wonky
settings.. im beginning to fear that my beloved EDP has started putting
out bad wobbly midi clock. Main Clue is the wobbly echos from the MOFX
(which MIGHT be dying) and weird wobly bpm readings on both my Repeater
and my Red Sound Federation. <br>
<br>Please can some clever EDP=E9r (Andy B that means YOU) tell me not to
worry its only that chip re-seating malarky... happens all the time...
or is... um... gulp... serious... I can take it, give it to me
straight..<br><br>
love Mark<br><br>PS: the edp is completely normally
operating in all other ways, but for the wobbly echos from the MOFX and
wobbly displays from above items OH.. and NON synching arpegiator from
my git synth too... damn... I would never have known...<br><font color=3D"#=
888888">
<br></font><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.markfrancombe=
.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.no">www.looo=
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I'd suggest getting one of those MIDI trace utilities that can log all the
activity on a MIDI channel and verifying that the EDP is the culprit in thi=
s
case.  I forget which one I use, but it's invaluable for these sort of
troubleshooting activities.

TH

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
wrote:

> YIKES! after blaming a dying MOFX or a dogy midi lead, or wonky settings.=
.
> im beginning to fear that my beloved EDP has started putting out bad wobb=
ly
> midi clock. Main Clue is the wobbly echos from the MOFX (which MIGHT be
> dying) and weird wobly bpm readings on both my Repeater and my Red Sound
> Federation.
>
> Please can some clever EDP=E9r (Andy B that means YOU) tell me not to wor=
ry
> its only that chip re-seating malarky... happens all the time... or is...
> um... gulp... serious... I can take it, give it to me straight..
>
>
>

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I&#39;d suggest getting one of those MIDI trace utilities that can log all =
the activity on a MIDI channel and verifying that the EDP is the culprit in=
 this case.&nbsp; I forget which one I use, but it&#39;s invaluable for the=
se sort of troubleshooting activities.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:30 PM, ma=
rk francombe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com">mark@markfrancom=
be.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-=
left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left=
: 1ex;">
YIKES! after blaming a dying MOFX or a dogy midi lead, or wonky
settings.. im beginning to fear that my beloved EDP has started putting
out bad wobbly midi clock. Main Clue is the wobbly echos from the MOFX
(which MIGHT be dying) and weird wobly bpm readings on both my Repeater
and my Red Sound Federation. <br>
<br>Please can some clever EDP=E9r (Andy B that means YOU) tell me not to
worry its only that chip re-seating malarky... happens all the time...
or is... um... gulp... serious... I can take it, give it to me
straight..<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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> I'd suggest getting one of those MIDI trace utilities

If you are using a Windows system, then MIDI-OX does an excellent job of 
this. 

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Hi All,

Just ordered a Boss RC-50 and am pretty excited.  I find myself now  
wondering for the first time, what do I do for sound output as my amp  
will likely be input for the RC-50?  The options of the PA world are  
somewhat blinding.

Apartment playing will be the main area of use with the occasional  
trek to a friend's house.  I also plan to record and don't have any  
monitors so wondering if I could combine the needs.  The thing that  
makes me nervous about that is putting a nice pair of studio monitors  
in my car a couple times a month and driving for 2 hrs seems like a  
really bad idea.

If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.   
Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two  
for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good  
motivation for passive?

Too many options....

Anyone have an recommendations?  (What would you do, any particular  
items you like?)

-David



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Hi David and welcome to the wonderful world of looping.  First question is 
what instruments will you be using?   Will you be looping voice?  Looping 
itself doesn't require a specific type of amplification.  Instead you need 
to look at what your needs are for the performances that you will be doing. 
Solo guitar would likely require different equipment than guitar and vocals. 

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I've recently picked up a pair of Behringer B212A 400 Watt powered speakers and I am very satisfied with them - particularly considering the $229/each price point. I am only using them at home for jamming/home recording, though. They are plenty loud. They seem to have a little more bottom than I personally need but when I run the output of my Fender Cyber-Twin to my mixer then on&nbsp;to the Behringers, they sound pretty darn sweet.
&nbsp;
Regards, Paul

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From: David Blevins &lt;david.blevins@visi.com&gt;
Subject: Beginning looper - studio monitor, PA?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 9:35 PM

Hi All,

Just ordered a Boss RC-50 and am pretty excited.  I find myself now  
wondering for the first time, what do I do for sound output as my amp  
will likely be input for the RC-50?  The options of the PA world are  
somewhat blinding.

Apartment playing will be the main area of use with the occasional  
trek to a friend's house.  I also plan to record and don't have any  
monitors so wondering if I could combine the needs.  The thing that  
makes me nervous about that is putting a nice pair of studio monitors  
in my car a couple times a month and driving for 2 hrs seems like a  
really bad idea.

If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.   
Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two  
for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good  
motivation for passive?

Too many options....

Anyone have an recommendations?  (What would you do, any particular  
items you like?)

-David


      
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<P>Regards, Paul<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/9/08, David Blevins <I>&lt;david.blevins@visi.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: David Blevins &lt;david.blevins@visi.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Beginning looper - studio monitor, PA?<BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 9:35 PM<BR><BR><PRE>Hi All,

Just ordered a Boss RC-50 and am pretty excited.  I find myself now  
wondering for the first time, what do I do for sound output as my amp  
will likely be input for the RC-50?  The options of the PA world are  
somewhat blinding.

Apartment playing will be the main area of use with the occasional  
trek to a friend's house.  I also plan to record and don't have any  
monitors so wondering if I could combine the needs.  The thing that  
makes me nervous about that is putting a nice pair of studio monitors  
in my car a couple times a month and driving for 2 hrs seems like a  
really bad idea.

If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.   
Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two  
for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good  
motivation for passive?

Too many options....

Anyone have an recommendations?  (What would you do, any particular  
items you like?)

-David</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>

      
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Hi David,

depending on the instruments, you can plug your guitar direct into 
the rc-50 and a microphone. That's what I do for smaller gigs, guitar 
and hammered dulcimer mic into the rc-50 and then out of the rc-50 
and into my amp. I basically treat it like a stomp box between my 
instruments and amp. It works just fine. That is, unless of course 
you're looking for an excuse to acquire more gear!

Paul Haslem
Ontario, Canada




At 09:35 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Just ordered a Boss RC-50 and am pretty excited.  I find myself now
>wondering for the first time, what do I do for sound output as my amp
>will likely be input for the RC-50?  The options of the PA world are
>somewhat blinding.
>
>Apartment playing will be the main area of use with the occasional
>trek to a friend's house.  I also plan to record and don't have any
>monitors so wondering if I could combine the needs.  The thing that
>makes me nervous about that is putting a nice pair of studio monitors
>in my car a couple times a month and driving for 2 hrs seems like a
>really bad idea.
>
>If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.
>Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two
>for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good
>motivation for passive?
>
>Too many options....
>
>Anyone have an recommendations?  (What would you do, any particular
>items you like?)
>
>-David
>
>

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Last month there was discussion of portable PA's, especially powered 
speakers. Try looking in the archives for "tiny PA". I ended up liking 
the Yamaha Stagepas 300 system - a pair of very portable two-way passive 
monitors, with a powered mixer that fits in the back of one of them - 
and nabbed one from Ebay for $420 or so. I know Yamaha is soon to 
release a single-speaker version too, which I think would work for small 
situations (unless, obviously, you need stereo).

Daryl Shawn
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www.chinapaintingmusic.com

> If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.  
> Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two 
> for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good 
> motivation for passive?

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On Jun 9, 2008, at 7:58 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote:

> Hi David and welcome to the wonderful world of looping.

Thanks!

> First question is what instruments will you be using?   Will you be  
> looping voice?  Looping itself doesn't require a specific type of  
> amplification.  Instead you need to look at what your needs are for  
> the performances that you will be doing. Solo guitar would likely  
> require different equipment than guitar and vocals.

Likely will only need to amplify what I can plug into the RC-50.  I  
imagine when I get going I'll add a bass guitar to the mix (for  
looping) and likely use a mic in the looping (recording a Cajon, etc),  
but definitely no singing.

-David



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On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Paul Richards wrote:

> I've recently picked up a pair of Behringer B212A 400 Watt powered  
> speakers and I am very satisfied with them - particularly  
> considering the $229/each price point. I am only using them at home  
> for jamming/home recording, though. They are plenty loud. They seem  
> to have a little more bottom than I personally need but when I run  
> the output of my Fender Cyber-Twin to my mixer then on to the  
> Behringers, they sound pretty darn sweet.
>
Wow, small world, I'm also a Cyber-Twin owner, have the first  
edition.  Love the Super Reverb emulator.

Interesting question on the B212A, how quiet can you get before they  
cut out.  The Cyber-Twin on Super Reverb setting seems to only kick in  
when you get past 2.5 or so on the master volume, which is a bit loud  
for an apartment.  Wondering if you get a bit better volume control  
with your mixer and speakers.

Also, what kind of mixer do you have?

Thanks for the info,
David


>
> --- On Mon, 6/9/08, David Blevins <david.blevins@visi.com> wrote:
>
> From: David Blevins <david.blevins@visi.com>
> Subject: Beginning looper - studio monitor, PA?
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 9:35 PM
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just ordered a Boss RC-50 and am pretty excited.  I find myself now
> wondering for the first time, what do I do for sound output as my amp
> will likely be input for the RC-50?  The options of the PA world are
> somewhat blinding.
>
> Apartment playing will be the main area of use with the occasional
> trek to a friend's house.  I also plan to record and don't have any
> monitors so wondering if I could combine the needs.  The thing that
> makes me nervous about that is putting a nice pair of studio monitors
> in my car a couple times a month and driving for 2 hrs seems like a
> really bad idea.
>
> If I go the PA route, I'm not sure what the wisest choice may be.
> Could I get by with a single active/powered PA speaker?  Do I need two
> for any reason?  On the active vs. passive topic is there a good
> motivation for passive?
>
> Too many options....
>
> Anyone have an recommendations?  (What would you do, any particular
> items you like?)
>
> -David
>

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I am trying to figure out what would be the best setup (I know, I know:
subjective and contingent upon price limitations/need, etc.) for live
looping.

I have a rivera knucklehead (100 watt tube) as my main amp, and I was
thinking about running the line out of the rivera into channel 1 of a mixer
- which mixer should I get though - only need a 1/4" for guitar and synth. I
would then run my virtual moogs out to my firebox, and into channel 2 of the
mixer. From there, I would send both into a bus, which would contain my
echoplex. I run a similar setup in logic, but I want to get away from the
computer and start to use hardware. I am not sure what kind of second amp I
should run the mixer output into though. I have been looking at the roland
jazz chorus for its clean sounds, and hopefully for its ability to
accurately replicate the tone of my rivera as well as its wide frequency
range to cover the synths/keys.

Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4" inputs,
bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to accurately
replicate my guitar/synth tones?

I am trying to stay below $500 for the amp, but I will spend more if I need
to. I would like a mid-grade mixer as well, so please give some options.

Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?

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I am trying to figure out what would be the best setup (I know, I know: subjective and contingent upon price limitations/need, etc.) for live looping.<br><br>I have a rivera knucklehead (100 watt tube) as my main amp, and I was thinking about running the line out of the rivera into channel 1 of a mixer - which mixer should I get though - only need a 1/4&quot; for guitar and synth. I would then run my virtual moogs out to my firebox, and into channel 2 of the mixer. From there, I would send both into a bus, which would contain my echoplex. I run a similar setup in logic, but I want to get away from the computer and start to use hardware. I am not sure what kind of second amp I should run the mixer output into though. I have been looking at the roland jazz chorus for its clean sounds, and hopefully for its ability to accurately replicate the tone of my rivera as well as its wide frequency range to cover the synths/keys.<br>
<br>Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4&quot; inputs, bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to accurately replicate my guitar/synth tones?<br><br>I am trying to stay below $500 for the amp, but I will spend more if I need to. I would like a mid-grade mixer as well, so please give some options.<br>
<br>Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?<br>

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On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:

> Last month there was discussion of portable PA's, especially powered  
> speakers. Try looking in the archives for "tiny PA". I ended up  
> liking the Yamaha Stagepas 300 system - a pair of very portable two- 
> way passive monitors, with a powered mixer that fits in the back of  
> one of them - and nabbed one from Ebay for $420 or so. I know Yamaha  
> is soon to release a single-speaker version too, which I think would  
> work for small situations (unless, obviously, you need stereo).

Reading that thread now.  The compactness of the Stage Pass 300 system  
is pretty attractive -- kind of nice to have the mixer right in the  
speaker.

Might be a very good option for me.

Thanks for the tip.

-David

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does anyone have any idea (without me hopping over to the 'peater list)
what the difference is between 2.01 & 2.04? is there one?
a mate of mine just forwarded me a zip of 2.04, which appears to be
freely circulating following the electrix-death-rattle "release" of 2.01
some months ago (& which I paid for my copy), & while I can't see any
difference in the literature, the file size is different.

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Hey Marcus,

i got a Behringer Ultratone 180w pa/keyboard amp and it really sounds =
good. Its loud enough and faithfully reproduces any tones I put into it. =
I play guitar into amp modelers. It stays real clean even under stress. =
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  I am trying to figure out what would be the best setup (I know, I =
know: subjective and contingent upon price limitations/need, etc.) for =
live looping.

  >snip

  Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4" =
inputs, bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to =
accurately replicate my guitar/synth tones?

  I am trying to stay below $500 for the amp, but I will spend more if I =
need to. I would like a mid-grade mixer as well, so please give some =
options.

  Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?



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> Marcus wrote
> Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4" inputs=
,
> bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to accurately
> replicate my guitar/synth tones?
> Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?

I plays synths. For synth and guitar you need a full-range amp/monitor wi=
th a 12" or 15" woofer to replicate the basses well. A built in limiter i=
s recommended, synths can easily blow your speakers :)

Do do play mono or stereo? I personally prefer active systems, it's easie=
r to setup when you're playing live and you won't need a separate 19" rac=
k for your power amp. There are many different bi-amped multi-purpose mon=
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 are the JBL EON and Mackie SRM series. 

Sjaak

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I'd like to try looping in Augustus Loop with the crossfade loop synth
as a plug-in!  ;-))
I guess that would be possible even if running Augustus Loop as a
plug-in under Bidule? Mind boggling... I guess this means you may also
open whole Bidule Sessions, saved as Groups, as AU plug-ins inside
Augustus Loop? Hope I can free up some time to play with this soon.
Talk about Loop Nesting!

Last time I tried Augustus with the "punch in" method it created quite
loud clicks in the loop. Is a fix for this planned?

Per


On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just released a new version of Augustus Loop, which includes an
> fx loop feature (as you might find on a guitar amp) - essentially this
> lets you send audio out of the plug-in for external processing. So you
> can now insert other plug-ins in the delay loop.
>
> You can do some pretty mad stuff with this. Reverb in the delay loop
> sounds particularly spacey. Or you could put your favourite
> filter/distortion/tape saturation emulation in there.
>
> See
> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>
>
> cheers,
> os.

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I've been goofing around for about a year with Ableton 6, not seriously
trying to stretch it for performance - just using it as a
recorder/editor/mixer, and I just decided to give Logic Express a try,
simply because so many of the people here commend the sound of Logic. Oh
yeah, and I got ticked off that the $500 Live package doesn't  come with an
integrated audio editor.

I haven't played that much yet with Logic Express, but I have to say that
what you get for $200 is extremely impressive, and so far seems to fit my
way of working and thinking much better than Live.

Here's a small sampling of what is included, that's not in the ableton base
pkg:
- Notation (and not bare-bones, either, tho I'm sure it's no Sibelius)
- audio file sample editing
- some very nice guitar effect presets and amp simulations
- a number of very interesting synths and drum machines
- a sane, multi-dimensional interface to loop management
- the most intelligent approach to take management that i've yet seen

It's harder to learn than Live.  It thinks quite differently than Live. But
I'm producing so much cool stuff just going through the tutorials that I'm
having a great time.

My feeling with Live after a year (blame it on my own lack of creativity if
you like) was: man, i sure am going to have to spend a lot to get really
tricked out here. My feeling with Logic Express is that there are months of
exploration ahead with the resources provided out of the box.

Warren

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I&#39;ve been goofing around for about a year with Ableton 6, not seriously trying to stretch it for performance - just using it as a recorder/editor/mixer, and I just decided to give Logic Express a try, simply because so many of the people here commend the sound of Logic. Oh yeah, and I got ticked off that the $500 Live package doesn&#39;t&nbsp; come with an integrated audio editor.<br>
<br>I haven&#39;t played that much yet with Logic Express, but I have to say that what you get for $200 is extremely impressive, and so far seems to fit my way of working and thinking much better than Live. <br><br>Here&#39;s a small sampling of what is included, that&#39;s not in the ableton base pkg:<br>
- Notation (and not bare-bones, either, tho I&#39;m sure it&#39;s no Sibelius)<br>- audio file sample editing<br>- some very nice guitar effect presets and amp simulations<br>- a number of very interesting synths and drum machines <br>
- a sane, multi-dimensional interface to loop management<br>- the most intelligent approach to take management that i&#39;ve yet seen<br><br>It&#39;s harder to learn than Live.&nbsp; It thinks quite differently than Live. But I&#39;m producing so much cool stuff just going through the tutorials that I&#39;m having a great time.<br>
<br>My feeling with Live after a year (blame it on my own lack of creativity if you like) was: man, i sure am going to have to spend a lot to get really tricked out here. My feeling with Logic Express is that there are months of exploration ahead with the resources provided out of the box.<br>
<br>Warren<br>

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Mainstage is awesome as well. It's now the app I use for Live  
performance. Its a little buggy, but once you figure out how to deal  
with it, its amazing. I use it with Sooperlooper. Sounds incredible.
On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:

> I've been goofing around for about a year with Ableton 6, not  
> seriously trying to stretch it for performance - just using it as a  
> recorder/editor/mixer, and I just decided to give Logic Express a  
> try, simply because so many of the people here commend the sound of  
> Logic. Oh yeah, and I got ticked off that the $500 Live package  
> doesn't  come with an integrated audio editor.
>
> I haven't played that much yet with Logic Express, but I have to say  
> that what you get for $200 is extremely impressive, and so far seems  
> to fit my way of working and thinking much better than Live.
>
> Here's a small sampling of what is included, that's not in the  
> ableton base pkg:
> - Notation (and not bare-bones, either, tho I'm sure it's no Sibelius)
> - audio file sample editing
> - some very nice guitar effect presets and amp simulations
> - a number of very interesting synths and drum machines
> - a sane, multi-dimensional interface to loop management
> - the most intelligent approach to take management that i've yet seen
>
> It's harder to learn than Live.  It thinks quite differently than  
> Live. But I'm producing so much cool stuff just going through the  
> tutorials that I'm having a great time.
>
> My feeling with Live after a year (blame it on my own lack of  
> creativity if you like) was: man, i sure am going to have to spend a  
> lot to get really tricked out here. My feeling with Logic Express is  
> that there are months of exploration ahead with the resources  
> provided out of the box.
>
> Warren

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Frankly, I don't know how it makes sense to compare Live to Logic - would be
like comparing a GT hologated car to a station wagon. So essentially, the
valid comparison would be e.g. Logic vs Cubase (which does have all of the
features you mention, except for the guitar-oriented stuff).

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	I've been goofing around for about a year with Ableton 6, not
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> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>> I haven't played that much yet with Logic Express, but I have to say that
>> what you get for $200 is extremely impressive

I fully agree, but yet the coolest parts - i.e. what I personally use
the most in Logic - is not included in the Express version.
http://www.apple.com/logicexpress
The upgrade cost from Express to Pro Studio is a pretty good deal
though, meaning that you won't lose much money on buying Express to
use for a while before upgrading - compared to going for Pro Studio
right away.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> Mainstage is awesome as well.

Beware! MainStage doesn't come with Logic Express.
http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/

Logic's user interface is modeled from the classic recording studio
with the three components: Mixing console, patch bay and effect rack
(packed with top class effects + synthts) while Live's user interface
also reaches into the MPC territory. Loops in Logic are presented in
an all linear way, but you can still change the length of one loop and
directly see (graphically) how this loop's future playback will
interplay with other parallel loops, poly rhythmically. That's what
got me interested in Logic back in the nineties.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Should work fine with Bidule - let me know if not.

> Last time I tried Augustus with the "punch in" method it created quite
> loud clicks in the loop. Is a fix for this planned?

Punch in is just another way of activating Tap Rec, which is prone to
pops if you do it while audio is playing (rather than starting to play
as you hit record). There are a lot of little things like this that I
need to address, but that'll be Augustus 2.0, whenever that is. Right
now Augustus is getting a lot of love as a tape delay, rather than as
a looper, so the delay-related features are getting more of my
attention.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/10 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> I'd like to try looping in Augustus Loop with the crossfade loop synth
> as a plug-in!  ;-))
> I guess that would be possible even if running Augustus Loop as a
> plug-in under Bidule? Mind boggling... I guess this means you may also
> open whole Bidule Sessions, saved as Groups, as AU plug-ins inside
> Augustus Loop? Hope I can free up some time to play with this soon.
> Talk about Loop Nesting!
>
> Last time I tried Augustus with the "punch in" method it created quite
> loud clicks in the loop. Is a fix for this planned?
>
> Per
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've just released a new version of Augustus Loop, which includes an
>> fx loop feature (as you might find on a guitar amp) - essentially this
>> lets you send audio out of the plug-in for external processing. So you
>> can now insert other plug-ins in the delay loop.
>>
>> You can do some pretty mad stuff with this. Reverb in the delay loop
>> sounds particularly spacey. Or you could put your favourite
>> filter/distortion/tape saturation emulation in there.
>>
>> See
>> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> os.
>
>



-- 
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So, I don't even need an extra amplifier, just a monitor and powered
speakers of some sort?

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:

> > Marcus wrote
> > Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4" inputs,
> > bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to accurately
> > replicate my guitar/synth tones?
> > Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?
>
> I plays synths. For synth and guitar you need a full-range amp/monitor with
> a 12" or 15" woofer to replicate the basses well. A built in limiter is
> recommended, synths can easily blow your speakers :)
>
> Do do play mono or stereo? I personally prefer active systems, it's easier
> to setup when you're playing live and you won't need a separate 19" rack for
> your power amp. There are many different bi-amped multi-purpose monitors on
> the market these days, many price ranges as well. Popular models are the JBL
> EON and Mackie SRM series.
>
> Sjaak
>
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
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So, I don&#39;t even need an extra amplifier, just a monitor and powered speakers of some sort?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Sjaak &lt;<a href="mailto:tcplugin@scarlet.be">tcplugin@scarlet.be</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">&gt; Marcus wrote<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Main question: What kind of mixer should I get (only need 2 1/4&quot; inputs,<br>
&gt; bus, stereo outs), and what kind of amp will allow me to accurately<br>
&gt; replicate my guitar/synth tones?<br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Could I use powered monitors instead of buying a new amp?<br>
<br>
</div>I plays synths. For synth and guitar you need a full-range amp/monitor with a 12&quot; or 15&quot; woofer to replicate the basses well. A built in limiter is recommended, synths can easily blow your speakers :)<br>

<br>
Do do play mono or stereo? I personally prefer active systems, it&#39;s easier to setup when you&#39;re playing live and you won&#39;t need a separate 19&quot; rack for your power amp. There are many different bi-amped multi-purpose monitors on the market these days, many price ranges as well. Popular models are the JBL EON and Mackie SRM series.<br>

<br>
Sjaak<br>
<br>
<a href="http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/" target="_blank">http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/</a><br>
<br>
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Hi Loopers

In my academic wanderings I came across this little story.


Very early one morning in 1969 a battered
Volkswagen microbus rolled off a freeway ramp in
California's Livermore Valley. It pulled into a closed
gas station and, out of view of the road in the back,
came to a halt near a pair of especially lonely
telephone booths. A man known as Captain Crunch,
an unemployed engineer, hopped out of the van. He
threw open its side doors and snaked a long, black
cable to one of the telephone booths. Within
moments he had sounded the 2,600 cycles per
second signal that gave him free access to the world
telephone system. Making connection after connec-
tion, he sent his call to Tokyo, India, Greece, South
Africa, South America, New York, and finally back
to the telephone booth next to him. He picked up the
ringing phone and, holding the other handset, spoke
to himself around the world. The feeling, he confided
later, came close to religious ecstasy. Yet his
message was, in a word, prosaic: "Hello, test one,
test two, test three."

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I sent the original post from Byron H to a non-LD friend for his  
amusement.
Below is his reply.  The full story of this CC guy is weirder. Enjoy...

-Rev. Fever
Portland,OR

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> Date: June 10, 2008 2:21:31 PM PDT
> To: "Rev Fever" <revfever@ubergadget.com>
> Subject: Re: Origins of looping
>
> Yes, that's a old story.  They don't mention that it took 30 seconds
> for him to hear himself.  And what inspiring words!  (He was an
> engineer, apparently a very good one.)
>
> Best telling of the story is by Ron Rosenbaum, referred to here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Draper
>
> Rosenbaum's original article in Esquire (which I read in high school)
> inspired Jobs and Wozniak to develop a blue box as their first
> product, before the Apple I.
>
> Tape loops predate the global phone system, but I think the original
> poster was jesting.


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I sent the original post from Byron H to a non-LD friend for his =
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weirder. Enjoy...</div><div><br></div><div>-Rev. =
Fever</div><div>Portland,OR<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded =
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And the 2600Hz tone was produced by a toy whistle included in a box
of...Cap'n Crunch cereal, hence the hacker handle (and infamous zine).

Steven Levy's "Hackers" book is full of these stories.

TH

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:

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> is his reply.  The full story of this CC guy is weirder. Enjoy...
>
> -Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
>
>

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And the 2600Hz tone was produced by a toy whistle included in a box of...Cap&#39;n Crunch cereal, hence the hacker handle (and infamous zine).<br><br>Steven Levy&#39;s &quot;Hackers&quot; book is full of these stories.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Rev Fever &lt;<a href="mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com">revfever@ubergadget.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I sent the original post from Byron H to a non-LD friend for his amusement.<div>Below is his reply. &nbsp;The full story of this CC guy is weirder. Enjoy...</div><div><br></div><div>-Rev. Fever</div><div>Portland,OR<br><br></div>
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Rainer, I take your point, but I'm coming from a far less
sophisticated perspective, for what it's worth (not much). For me they
both fall into the category of "big expensive pieces of software with
significant learning curves (so significant that you can't even tell
how you'll like them for months) which promise to shoot me straight to
musical nirvana". So they're comparable in that slightly-subjective
sense. They're comparable in the sense that I pretty much have to
choose one or the other for most of my day-to-day music stuff, such as
it is, because I can really only keep one of them loaded into
functional memory at a time. And because I felt that I financially had
to choose between adding capabilities to my Live 6 license or buying
Logic Express.

It comes down to this: how excited do i get playing with it, how many
cool directions does it lead me, how easily can i bend it to my will
when i need to? I think the directions that I like to take things - at
least right now - are just more suited to the mind-set of Logic. I
just wrote my first actual tune in years (ok, i know some of you
probably think that's a BAD thing, but I think it's cool), and it was
far more spontaneous than my usual process. And I actually got
printable notation transcribed off my midi guitar playing, with just a
little tweaking.

You may be right that the comparison is not valid, but i still think
it's worth making a point to the community that $200 buys you an
amazing amt of musicality these days. I just think it's a tremendous
deal.

Warren

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>
> Frankly, I don't know how it makes sense to compare Live to Logic - would be
> like comparing a GT hologated car to a station wagon. So essentially, the
> valid comparison would be e.g. Logic vs Cubase (which does have all of the
> features you mention, except for the guitar-oriented stuff).
>
>        Rainer
>
> ________________________________
>
>        Von: warrensirota@gmail.com [mailto:warrensirota@gmail.com] Im
> Auftrag von Warren Sirota
>        Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Juni 2008 19:01
>        An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>        Betreff: OT: In praise of Logic Express
>
>
>        I've been goofing around for about a year with Ableton 6, not
> seriously trying to stretch it for performance - just using it as a
> recorder/editor/mixer, and I just decided to give Logic Express a try,
> simply because so many of the people here commend the sound of Logic. Oh
> yeah, and I got ticked off that the $500 Live package doesn't  come with an
> integrated audio editor.
>

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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 10, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:
>>> I haven't played that much yet with Logic Express, but I have to say that
>>> what you get for $200 is extremely impressive
>
> I fully agree, but yet the coolest parts - i.e. what I personally use
> the most in Logic - is not included in the Express version.
> http://www.apple.com/logicexpress

I'll probably graduate to the Pro version once I've gotten a handle on
the Express. I saw that there was, I think, NO cost to taking the
stepped approach, and this gave me a chance to get my feet wet
inexpensively.

Chris - Mainstage looks interesting - it's quite true that the ideal
UI for live performance is not the same as for the desktop.

So, Per, what parts are you talking about that are your favorites in Studio?

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Hi folks,

I have three events to announce for this month.

i have two pieces in the current show at the=20
lovely 119 Gallery in Lowell. The reception is=20
Saturday:
At 7:28 AM -0400 6/7/08, Mary Ann Kearns wrote:
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>Reception June 14th, 3-6 pm.
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I'll performing at Studio 186 in Cambridge on Friday June 20, as part of

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Hi Warren,

I really like your post, because I've been feeling inferior for never
getting my head around live. Years ago, I was a snob about software,
and felt I could deal with anything. I think Logic from the pre-apple
years was the first time I felt like I hit a wall. I'm actually
looking for a class that I can take to orient myself to live. I'm
still much more comfortable in the modular max/bidule/usine type of
environment where I can see the signal path and I don't have to deal
with anything on the screen that I didn't choose to put there.

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Subject: Re: Beginning looper - studio monitor, PA?
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On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:17 PM, David Blevins wrote:

>
> On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:
>
>> Last month there was discussion of portable PA's, especially  
>> powered speakers. Try looking in the archives for "tiny PA". I  
>> ended up liking the Yamaha Stagepas 300 system - a pair of very  
>> portable two-way passive monitors, with a powered mixer that fits  
>> in the back of one of them - and nabbed one from Ebay for $420 or  
>> so. I know Yamaha is soon to release a single-speaker version too,  
>> which I think would work for small situations (unless, obviously,  
>> you need stereo).
>
> Reading that thread now.  The compactness of the Stage Pass 300  
> system is pretty attractive -- kind of nice to have the mixer right  
> in the speaker.

Very seriously looking at the Yamaha Stagepas 300 system.  Couple  
questions.

   - Base, how good/bad is it?  Is it impressive given the size or the  
very mid and mid/high heavy sound you'd expect?  Or alternatively, I  
noticed from the thread you have a Micro Cube (got one also), how  
would you compare sound quality and loudness to that?

   - Seems the accessories can push the price up quite a bit.  Did you  
have or wish you had the carrying case or speaker stands + mounting  
brackets?


Thanks for the info you've already given!

-David

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hi David, in truth I haven't even heard it yet, it's being shipped to my 
States address this week. However, the reviews (including the ones here) 
have been uniformly positive, and I understand that it does about as 
well as could be expected in the low end from an 8" woofer. It's 150 
watts of bi-amped power, compared to the Micro Cube at - heh - 5 watts. 
It really is a small PA system, whereas the Micro Cube is pretty much a 
busker amp. The Cube 30 would come closer to a comparison, though it's 
still a lot less power and a 6.5" single speaker.

For my needs, which are something as small and portable as possible for 
lowkey gigs, I didn't bother getting stands. And my plan is to leave one 
speaker on the east coast and one on the west coast and fly with the 
tiny detachable mixer (really the selling point for me), so the carrying 
case wouldn't help me. If I was going to use it for local gigs, keeping 
both speakers in the same place, I think the case would be a great 
accessory.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> Very seriously looking at the Yamaha Stagepas 300 system.  Couple 
> questions.
>
>   - Base, how good/bad is it?  Is it impressive given the size or the 
> very mid and mid/high heavy sound you'd expect?  Or alternatively, I 
> noticed from the thread you have a Micro Cube (got one also), how 
> would you compare sound quality and loudness to that?
>
>   - Seems the accessories can push the price up quite a bit.  Did you 
> have or wish you had the carrying case or speaker stands + mounting 
> brackets?

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> Marcus wrote:
> So, I don't even need an extra amplifier, just a monitor and powered
> speakers of some sort?

An active monitor is the same as a powered (loud)speaker, so with (a) bui=
lt-in amplifier(s). They need a line signal as input, usually 1/4" jack o=
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that differs technically from line signals and often use different connec=
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> So, Per, what parts are you talking about that are your favorites in Studio?

Ok, just going into the stuff I actually use in Studio:


--> Applications:
I use Wave Burner a lot for redbook compliant CD mastering. This way I
keep working in 24 bit mode all the way, even bouncing my final
masters as 24 bit files. In Wave Burner I line up thes 24 bit masters
for CD mastering and let Wave Burner handle the dithering down to 16
bits as part of the burning CD process. This workflow lets you stay
with the better headroom all through the production process.

Quicktime Pro comes with Logic Pro Studio. I found great use for QT
Pro, almost daily, when handling cell phone video clips and converting
between different formats for different purposes.

MainStage! This is essentially all of Logic's instruments and plug-ins
but without the sequencer and micro tuning. A student of mine that has
been playing ten years with a huge guitar stomp box floor board just
loves MainStage because we could perfectly duplicate his rig in
MainStage. When a good looper AU plug-in becomes available MainStage
will be a good host for laptop looping.

Compressor (the applications). Makes it possible to finalize surround
mixes for video, sending AC3 files to film guys etc.


--> Plug-ins:
No Delay Designer in Express! (tape delay sim with harmonizer and
extensive signal routing capabilities).
No Space Designer in Express! (the convolution reverb that also lets
you record your own ambience).
The Ring Modulator (RingShifter) is one of my absolute favorites, also
missing in Express.
The Multi Compressor is not so good in Express. I need it fully
"tweakable" as in Logic Studio, not fixed to presets as in Express.
The AdLimiter is not part of Express. That's the ultimate music
mastering tool I always use.
Guitar Amp in Express doesn't sound as good as Guitar Amp Pro in Studio.

I'm not sure Express will let you side-chain compressor and noise-gate
plug-ins? Side-chaining is all over the place when I do a mix in Logic
and without it the music just sounds stiff.


--> Instruments:
The modeling synth Sculpture is not included in Express. So isn't the
Hammon Organ EVB3, nor the Clavinette. They are all very useful.


--> Functions:
Surround mixing. I guess this also means the surround plug-ins
(compressor, delay, reverb) are not the same, surround compliant,
versions in Express.

Micro tonal tuning systems, totally lacking in Express. Logic offers
most tuning systems of the music history and the handling is global,
meaning you set it to one tuning and it immediately affects all
virtual instruments in that song. This is so fun and powerful for
composing! Can't even imaging being without it. I personally play
intonation instruments a lot (guitar, air, reed) and I totally hate it
when the micro tuning isn't where I want it.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I did manage to solve the FCB footswitch problem with Mainstage. I  
use CC's instead of Note numbers switching them to alternate style of  
buttons. Works perfectly with Sooperlooper. I am surprised Apple has  
not included a looper. But SL does just fine. Jesse has explained he  
is currently working on some upgrades to facilitate an easier  
experience with mulitiple loops. Once that is done, SL should be a  
real contender in the realm of Software loopers.

I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to  
sound quality, but has a lot of advantages. Mainstage is still buggy,  
but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.
Chris




On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:12 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Warren Sirota  
> <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> So, Per, what parts are you talking about that are your favorites  
>> in Studio?
>
> Ok, just going into the stuff I actually use in Studio:
>
>
> --> Applications:
> I use Wave Burner a lot for redbook compliant CD mastering. This way I
> keep working in 24 bit mode all the way, even bouncing my final
> masters as 24 bit files. In Wave Burner I line up thes 24 bit masters
> for CD mastering and let Wave Burner handle the dithering down to 16
> bits as part of the burning CD process. This workflow lets you stay
> with the better headroom all through the production process.
>
> Quicktime Pro comes with Logic Pro Studio. I found great use for QT
> Pro, almost daily, when handling cell phone video clips and converting
> between different formats for different purposes.
>
> MainStage! This is essentially all of Logic's instruments and plug-ins
> but without the sequencer and micro tuning. A student of mine that has
> been playing ten years with a huge guitar stomp box floor board just
> loves MainStage because we could perfectly duplicate his rig in
> MainStage. When a good looper AU plug-in becomes available MainStage
> will be a good host for laptop looping.
>
> Compressor (the applications). Makes it possible to finalize surround
> mixes for video, sending AC3 files to film guys etc.
>
>
> --> Plug-ins:
> No Delay Designer in Express! (tape delay sim with harmonizer and
> extensive signal routing capabilities).
> No Space Designer in Express! (the convolution reverb that also lets
> you record your own ambience).
> The Ring Modulator (RingShifter) is one of my absolute favorites, also
> missing in Express.
> The Multi Compressor is not so good in Express. I need it fully
> "tweakable" as in Logic Studio, not fixed to presets as in Express.
> The AdLimiter is not part of Express. That's the ultimate music
> mastering tool I always use.
> Guitar Amp in Express doesn't sound as good as Guitar Amp Pro in  
> Studio.
>
> I'm not sure Express will let you side-chain compressor and noise-gate
> plug-ins? Side-chaining is all over the place when I do a mix in Logic
> and without it the music just sounds stiff.
>
>
> --> Instruments:
> The modeling synth Sculpture is not included in Express. So isn't the
> Hammon Organ EVB3, nor the Clavinette. They are all very useful.
>
>
> --> Functions:
> Surround mixing. I guess this also means the surround plug-ins
> (compressor, delay, reverb) are not the same, surround compliant,
> versions in Express.
>
> Micro tonal tuning systems, totally lacking in Express. Logic offers
> most tuning systems of the music history and the handling is global,
> meaning you set it to one tuning and it immediately affects all
> virtual instruments in that song. This is so fun and powerful for
> composing! Can't even imaging being without it. I personally play
> intonation instruments a lot (guitar, air, reed) and I totally hate it
> when the micro tuning isn't where I want it.
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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On 20 Mar 2008, at 17:12, David Gans wrote:

> At 12:55 AM -0700 3/20/08, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>> Hey Matt,
>> Id be interested in having one track from my looping
>> CD in there,what would you need from me?
>> cheers
>> Luis
>
> Yhah, me too.  How do we get in line to contribute?
>
>
>
> -- 
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>Jesse has explained he  
> is currently working on some upgrades to facilitate an easier  
> experience with mulitiple loops. Once that is done, SL should be a  
> real contender in the realm of Software loopers.

That would be really awesome. Along with Mainstage I could really make use of the Mac...

> Mainstage is still buggy,  
> but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.
I only believe what I see ;-)

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> I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to  
> sound quality, but has a lot of advantages.

Isn't Live only as good as the VIs you pump through it?

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I am MR<br>ABU UWAKWE, a banker with the above mentioned bank in Ouagadougou<br>Burkina Faso in West Africa, holding the post of the Audit & Accounts<br>dept. On December, 25, 2003, one Mr. Katif Salah,a German Nationality,<br>An Astute Business man of international repute, a contract with ecowas<br>country, whose endeavors spans various areas of Business interest, (Real<br>estate, contract and Farming .etc) made a numbered time (Fixed) Deposit,<br>valued at $9.5 M (NINE  Million FIVE Hundred Thousand United State<br>Dollars) for twelve calendar months in my Bank Branch.

Upon Maturity,<br>we sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no<br>reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from<br>his company that Mr.Katif Salah. was aboard the AF4590 plane, which<br>crashed December, 25  2003. After further investigation, it was<br>discovered that he died without making a WILL and all attempts to trace<br>his next of kin proved fruitless. On further investigation, it was<br>discovered that Late Mr.Katif Salah, did not declare any next of kin or<br>relatives in all his official documents, including his Bank Deposit<br>paper work here in our Bank. The total sum, $22.5M  is still in my bank<br>and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end<br>of each year. All efforts to trace and locate his next of kin proved<br>abortive.

In accordance with the country’s  banking laws and<br>constitution guiding this banking institution stated that  after  the<br>expiration of 5 years, if no body or person comes for the claim as the<br>next of kin , such  money will be revert to the Burkina Faso government <br>treasury if nobody applies as the next of Kin to claim  the fund.<br>Consequently, It is upon this respect, I seek to present you as a<br>foreign partner to stand  as the next of kin to the late Mr. Katif<br>Salah, since no one will come up for the claim.

Upon acceptance of<br>this proposal, I shall send to you by mail the BOA Bank "Next of Kin<br>Payment Application Text Form" as well as detailed information on how<br>this business would be carried out. And you will be in position of 40%<br>after the deal is done, I guarantee that this will be executed under<br>legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law,<br>as I will use my position in the Bank's here to perfect this business<br>transaction & secure Approvals and guarantee the successful execution of<br>this transaction.

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i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...

can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage  
setup, but that "buggy" word frightens me.
or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?


On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:

> I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to  
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> buggy, but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.


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From: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>
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The big one is that its really sensitive to midi input at startup.  
You tend to get an error message regarding midi driver conflicts. The  
easy solution is to power up your interface after starting Mainstage.  
Also, if you ask it to do too much at once, it can freeze up. This  
has more to with virtual instruments then audio in. Also, once your  
patches are setup, it runs very smoothly. Most trouble with mainstage  
stems from Virtual Instruments, Synths, samplers etc. It handles  
audio in very easily.
On Jun 11, 2008, at 11:30 AM, info at zoekeating wrote:

> i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...
>
> can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage  
> setup, but that "buggy" word frightens me.
> or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:
>
>> I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards  
>> to sound quality, but has a lot of advantages. Mainstage is still  
>> buggy, but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.
>


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I've used Mainstage for a few live gigs, and it's worked flawlessly. But last week, when I booted it up ten minutes before a gig, it started complaining about a conflict between MIDI and/or audio drivers, and refused to work at all, even after restarting both Mainstage and the computer. Fortunately, I had enough hardware with me that I could still play, though with a greatly-reduced pallette, and lots of grumpy language.

I'm partway through swapping out drivers to try to identify the guilty one, but don't have anything conclusive yet. I don't know if this is properly considered a Mainstage problem, but Logic shows no such problem on the same machine.

---- info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote: 
> i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...
> 
> can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage  
> setup, but that "buggy" word frightens me.
> or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?
> 
> 
> On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:
> 
> > I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to  
> > sound quality, but has a lot of advantages. Mainstage is still  
> > buggy, but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.
> 

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Yep thats it. I just turn on my Motu after Mainstage is open.  
Although, not a true solution, it will get you up and running.
On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, bsgood@adelphia.net wrote:

>
> I've used Mainstage for a few live gigs, and it's worked flawlessly.  
> But last week, when I booted it up ten minutes before a gig, it  
> started complaining about a conflict between MIDI and/or audio  
> drivers, and refused to work at all, even after restarting both  
> Mainstage and the computer. Fortunately, I had enough hardware with  
> me that I could still play, though with a greatly-reduced pallette,  
> and lots of grumpy language.
>
> I'm partway through swapping out drivers to try to identify the  
> guilty one, but don't have anything conclusive yet. I don't know if  
> this is properly considered a Mainstage problem, but Logic shows no  
> such problem on the same machine.
>
> ---- info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>> i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...
>>
>> can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage
>> setup, but that "buggy" word frightens me.
>> or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?
>>
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:
>>
>>> I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to
>>> sound quality, but has a lot of advantages. Mainstage is still
>>> buggy, but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will improve.
>>
>

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i don't use Mainstage, but the whole ordering thing has thrown me off  
numerous times...

to ensure a flawless performance start, i have to make sure i turn my  
MOTU on first, in order for all my midi to work correctly.

MOTU -> then Midipipe -> then Ableton Live

and then, if i shutdown something in the wrong order, restarting my  
laptop is the only way to get it all up and running again.

and don't get me started about sleep....

the anxiety of whether my midi setup will still be working when i go  
onstage, hours after soundcheck, is the most stressful part of any  
looping performance for me. i like venues with a curtain, so i can  
sneak out right before and go through the restart sequence and check  
that midi is "live".



On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:50 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:

> Yep thats it. I just turn on my Motu after Mainstage is open.  
> Although, not a true solution, it will get you up and running.
> On Jun 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM, bsgood@adelphia.net wrote:
>
>>
>> I've used Mainstage for a few live gigs, and it's worked  
>> flawlessly. But last week, when I booted it up ten minutes before  
>> a gig, it started complaining about a conflict between MIDI and/or  
>> audio drivers, and refused to work at all, even after restarting  
>> both Mainstage and the computer. Fortunately, I had enough  
>> hardware with me that I could still play, though with a greatly- 
>> reduced pallette, and lots of grumpy language.
>>
>> I'm partway through swapping out drivers to try to identify the  
>> guilty one, but don't have anything conclusive yet. I don't know  
>> if this is properly considered a Mainstage problem, but Logic  
>> shows no such problem on the same machine.
>>
>> ---- info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>>> i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...
>>>
>>> can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage
>>> setup, but that "buggy" word frightens me.
>>> or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:33 AM, Chris Sewell wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use both Live and Mainstage. The former is inferior in regards to
>>>> sound quality, but has a lot of advantages. Mainstage is still
>>>> buggy, but it is in its infancy. I'm sure as we go, it will  
>>>> improve.
>>>
>>
>

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:30 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> i keep hearing this "buggy" thing...
> can anyone give specifics? i've been considering it for my stage setup, but
> that "buggy" word frightens me.
> or, is this info up at apple discussions somewhere?


I have only seen two bugs so far. And I have not heard of any other
bugs either.

1) When using a patch that only has a virtual instrument controlling a
third-party plug-in place on a bus (SooperLooper, Augusts Loop)
sometimes stops working. However, if you just add an audio trackt to
the patch it works fine. So this bug does not even affect people that
play acoustic/electric instruments. If you play virtual instruments by
external MIDI the workaround of adding an audio track is a no-brainer
(you can mute its input if not using it).

2) When using a looper plug-in that sends out MIDI Clock that
MainStage syncs after it freezes after a while. This is probably due
to MIDI Clock being virtually passed through MainStage so a MIDI Clock
feedback loops builds up. This bug only affects those who long for the
"first loop setting the tempo" style of looping. Everyone that is fine
with setting the tempo in MainStage, manually or by tempo tapping a
pedal, stays clear.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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great info per, thanks!

On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

>
> 1) When using a patch that only has a virtual instrument controlling a
> third-party plug-in place on a bus (SooperLooper, Augusts Loop)
> sometimes stops working. However, if you just add an audio trackt to
> the patch it works fine. So this bug does not even affect people that
> play acoustic/electric instruments. If you play virtual instruments by
> external MIDI the workaround of adding an audio track is a no-brainer
> (you can mute its input if not using it).
>
> 2) When using a looper plug-in that sends out MIDI Clock that
> MainStage syncs after it freezes after a while. This is probably due
> to MIDI Clock being virtually passed through MainStage so a MIDI Clock
> feedback loops builds up. This bug only affects those who long for the
> "first loop setting the tempo" style of looping. Everyone that is fine
> with setting the tempo in MainStage, manually or by tempo tapping a
> pedal, stays clear.


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Per, Apple ought to hire you to be a spokesperson. I'm ordering the
upgrade today.

Warren

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Ha! That is *so* funny that you find logic more complex than max!  I
think that makes you a pretty rare individual.


On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Warren,
>
> I really like your post, because I've been feeling inferior for never
> getting my head around live. Years ago, I was a snob about software,
> and felt I could deal with anything. I think Logic from the pre-apple
> years was the first time I felt like I hit a wall. I'm actually
> looking for a class that I can take to orient myself to live. I'm
> still much more comfortable in the modular max/bidule/usine type of
> environment where I can see the signal path and I don't have to deal
> with anything on the screen that I didn't choose to put there.
>
> --
> Art Simon
> simart@null.net
> art.simon.tripod.com
> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>
>

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I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.

And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.

I find myself rarely using anything other than Live at the moment, for
live use or for studio projects.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/11 Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>:
> Ha! That is *so* funny that you find logic more complex than max!  I
> think that makes you a pretty rare individual.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Warren,
>>
>> I really like your post, because I've been feeling inferior for never
>> getting my head around live. Years ago, I was a snob about software,
>> and felt I could deal with anything. I think Logic from the pre-apple
>> years was the first time I felt like I hit a wall. I'm actually
>> looking for a class that I can take to orient myself to live. I'm
>> still much more comfortable in the modular max/bidule/usine type of
>> environment where I can see the signal path and I don't have to deal
>> with anything on the screen that I didn't choose to put there.
>>
>> --
>> Art Simon
>> simart@null.net
>> art.simon.tripod.com
>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>
>>
>
>



-- 
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I'm sorry, there's no such this as a pre-Jobs Mac! You must mean a Pepsi Mac.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.
>
> And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
> on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
>
> I find myself rarely using anything other than Live at the moment, for
> live use or for studio projects.
>
>
> cheers,
> os.
>
>
> 2008/6/11 Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>:
>> Ha! That is *so* funny that you find logic more complex than max!  I
>> think that makes you a pretty rare individual.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Warren,
>>>
>>> I really like your post, because I've been feeling inferior for never
>>> getting my head around live. Years ago, I was a snob about software,
>>> and felt I could deal with anything. I think Logic from the pre-apple
>>> years was the first time I felt like I hit a wall. I'm actually
>>> looking for a class that I can take to orient myself to live. I'm
>>> still much more comfortable in the modular max/bidule/usine type of
>>> environment where I can see the signal path and I don't have to deal
>>> with anything on the screen that I didn't choose to put there.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Art Simon
>>> simart@null.net
>>> art.simon.tripod.com
>>> myspace [dot] com/artsimon
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> os@collective.co.uk
> http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
>
>

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Maybe Os means Jobs' second period with Apple? He was there from the
beginning but did actually quit Apple for some years, those years when
Macs really sucked...

(I abandoned Mac back then to use Intel PC's instead, until Jobs came
back and kicked off the G5 line. Before that I had shifted to Mac from
Atari when Atari went belly-up. It was on Atari I found out that Logic
had better timing than Cubase - thanks to some electronic dance music
producers I was lucky to work with - so I swapped Cubase for Logic
when leaving Atari and going Mac/Digidesign to jump into the new hard
drive recording technology).

per


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>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>> I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.
>>
>> And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
>> on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.

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I meant Jobs's second coming, yes.

Mind you that biege G3 Mac I had was rock solid. Upgraded it for years
(remember when you could upgrade Macs?). No fan = no noise. Superb.

Then I went PowerBook, & OS X, and things took a bit of a dive for a
few years. Though it did mean I could take the computer out gigging.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/11 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
> Maybe Os means Jobs' second period with Apple? He was there from the
> beginning but did actually quit Apple for some years, those years when
> Macs really sucked...
>
> (I abandoned Mac back then to use Intel PC's instead, until Jobs came
> back and kicked off the G5 line. Before that I had shifted to Mac from
> Atari when Atari went belly-up. It was on Atari I found out that Logic
> had better timing than Cubase - thanks to some electronic dance music
> producers I was lucky to work with - so I swapped Cubase for Logic
> when leaving Atari and going Mac/Digidesign to jump into the new hard
> drive recording technology).
>
> per
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
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>>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.
>>>
>>> And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
>>> on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
>
>



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On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
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>
> Mind you that biege G3 Mac I had was rock solid. Upgraded it for years
> (remember when you could upgrade Macs?). No fan = no noise. Superb.


Yes, those G3s were ok. But I never got one, since I had already
swapped my 25 MB CPU Mac Centris with a Digidesign nubus audio card
for a row of PCs and I was then busy overclocking those first Celeron
CPUs to run audio recording natively in the box. Jeez, you could
hardly compress an mp3 on a Mac back then! Didn't look back to Mac
until the G5 came around. But that decision was also influenced by
Apple's investment in Emagic (Logic developer) and OS X officially
targeting MIDI and Audio, two things I found promising for the future.

per

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Jobs came back to kick off the post-beige G3 years--the first iMac, the Blue
and White G3's, iBooks, etc.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
> > I meant Jobs's second coming, yes.
> >
> > Mind you that biege G3 Mac I had was rock solid. Upgraded it for years
> > (remember when you could upgrade Macs?). No fan = no noise. Superb.
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Jobs came back to kick off the post-beige G3 years--the first iMac, the Blue and White G3&#39;s, iBooks, etc.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Os &lt;<a href="mailto:os@collective.co.uk">os@collective.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; I meant Jobs&#39;s second coming, yes.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Mind you that biege G3 Mac I had was rock solid. Upgraded it for years<br>
&gt; (remember when you could upgrade Macs?). No fan = no noise. Superb.<br>
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At 8:05 PM +0100 6/11/08, Os wrote:
>I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.

Me too.  As well as Creator/Notator before it.  The interface was 
always so excessively fiddly that my ADHD would force me out for a 
beer before I could ever come to terms with it.

>And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
>on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.

Likewise, I was on Atari and Steinberg's Pro 24 III, before *finally* 
breaking down and grabbing Cubase at version 1.02.  I caught grief 
from my friends for being a late adopter.  ;)

After Atari's demise finally sank in (I wouldn't relent for almost a 
decade), I spent a few years during the 90's running Cubase on PC's, 
until it finally became such a piece of bloatware that I couldn't 
handle it anymore.  Didn't really come around to Mac again until 
NextStep10... (uh, *cough*, sorry) I mean OSX came out.

Through all that, I still found C-Lab/Emagic's stuff too fiddly for 
my tastes.  As always, YMMV.

>I find myself rarely using anything other than Live at the moment, for
>live use or for studio projects.

Three for three here.  Although there's a render bug in Live 6 that's 
about to annoy me into alcoholism.  Still, it works pretty great as a 
DAW otherwise, and for my purposes so far it's the best plug host 
I've come across (the only other contender is Bidule, which I'd be 
using if I weren't so fond of Live's reverb).

	--m.
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At 10:08 AM -0700 6/11/08, info at zoekeating wrote:
>i don't use Mainstage, but the whole ordering thing has thrown me 
>off numerous times... [*snip*]
>
>and don't get me started about sleep....

This is exactly what bit me during the second half of my LY2k7 
performance.  Since everything depends on a quick load in/out, I set 
everything up then slept the computer.  Thirty seconds later, I 
realized that there was one tweek I had yet to make so I opened the 
laptop back up again.  However, I'd already packed up the audio 
interface, so Ableton automatically switched my preferences back to 
the internal card without informing me.

Later, I started to fire up everything onstage, but quickly found I 
had to punt all the laptop stuff because of no audio.  It was only 
after the performance that I realized it was simply Live shuttling 
everything out the wrong interface.

Grrrrrrr...  >8/

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Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time with my 
instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time fiddling with 
and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks absolutely 
ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to have my cake and eat it too. 
I just finished my revised max/msp looping/effects system. I was very 
inspired by the Boise Experimental Music Festival, after playing a set 
before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew Pask (of Cycling 74) the first night, and a 
workshop that Jeff did on the many approaches to using the computer for live 
performance.  Andrew is actually using a totally random based max/msp system 
so he just plays his sax and let's the computer do everything for him.

Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of random 
algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and functions 
(everything from my scripts to basic functions like reverse halfspeed, 
doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, etc), and all my 
max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor as a VST), I now 
turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No expression pedals. I 
just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful 
world of randomness take over. So liberating! I don't even need to have my 
computer screen open.  It's like playing with another person whose job is to 
process my sound (like what Evan Parker has done with others), because I 
have no idea what sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are going 
to occur. I'm really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I wasn't 
satisfied with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found and used 
some max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which simulate Brownian 
movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating.   And of course, I 
can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that while I'm playing, if 
I hear the computer do something really interesting that I like with the 
looper or effects, I turn the random functions off, and it will sort of 
freeze in the last state or frame of looping and effect parameters.

More later...gotta pack for vacation now.

Kris 

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Heck, I may even get myself a wireless guitar system and go totally free. :) 
It will be like the good old days of progressive metal in the 80s, but I'll 
be playing avant-garde and improvisational music. /k

p.s. I can't resist sharing my festival set with Brian McFadin (sax) and 
Jared Hallock (percussion).
http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4 (this is with my new mini jazz 
archtop).

I also did a nice set with Robert Sterling, and also with Emily Hay, Motoko 
Honda, and Lucio Menegon.  I really loved my set with Emily (flute/voice) 
and Motoko (a grand piano in the venue with her electronics hooked up to 
it), and me on nylon string acoustic. Wow. Totally fun and exciting. I'm 
still mastering the recordings and working on getting artist permissions to 
share everything...totally amazing event this year in terms of performers.



----- Original Message ----- 

> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time with my 
> instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time fiddling 
> with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks 
> absolutely ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to have my cake 
> and eat it too. I just finished my revised max/msp looping/effects system. 
> I was very inspired by the Boise Experimental Music Festival, after 
> playing a set before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew Pask (of Cycling 74) the first 
> night, and a workshop that Jeff did on the many approaches to using the 
> computer for live performance.  Andrew is actually using a totally random 
> based max/msp system so he just plays his sax and let's the computer do 
> everything for him.
>
> Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of 
> random algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and functions 
> (everything from my scripts to basic functions like reverse halfspeed, 
> doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, etc), and all my 
> max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor as a VST), I now 
> turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No expression pedals. I 
> just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful 
> world of randomness take over. So liberating! I don't even need to have my 
> computer screen open.  It's like playing with another person whose job is 
> to process my sound (like what Evan Parker has done with others), because 
> I have no idea what sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are 
> going to occur. I'm really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I 
> wasn't satisfied with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found 
> and used some max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which 
> simulate Brownian movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating. 
> And of course, I can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that 
> while I'm playing, if I hear the computer do something really interesting 
> that I like with the looper or effects, I turn the random functions off, 
> and it will sort of freeze in the last state or frame of looping and 
> effect parameters.
>
> More later...gotta pack for vacation now.
>
> Kris 

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Hey everyone :) this is my first post. Great community here!

My name's Nick; I'm an electrical engineering student at Virginia Tech.  I
am on a team of PhD students and ECE Professors designing a music looper
intended to be market-competitive.  What I would so greatly appreciate from
ye loop enthusiasts are your honest and detailed testimonies!

I read the "building our own looper" thread and would like to bump that
idea.  So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in which The Perfect
Looper were to be coming in the mail this afternoon, and you DIDN'T wake up
before getting to play with it... what would playing with it be like?  Its
features, its interface, its structure, everything.

Since your experience is with existing products, you could describe relative
to existing devices like a Boss RC or a JamMan.  Which features are most
conducive to a free creative experience with your own personal style?  Which
features have annoyances or limitations?

What do you wish your device did?

I hope that with this community as essentially representatives of loop
lovers in general, we can make The Perfect Looper a reality.

I promise its availability by Spring 2009.

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Hey everyone :) this is my first post. Great community here!<br><br>My name&#39;s Nick; I&#39;m an electrical engineering student at Virginia Tech.&nbsp; I am on a team of PhD students and ECE Professors designing a music looper intended to be market-competitive.&nbsp; What I would so greatly appreciate from ye loop enthusiasts are your honest and detailed testimonies!&nbsp; <br>
<br>I read the &quot;building our own looper&quot; thread and would like to bump that idea.&nbsp; So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in which The Perfect Looper were to be coming in the mail this afternoon, and you DIDN&#39;T wake up before getting to play with it... what would playing with it be like?&nbsp; Its features, its interface, its structure, everything.<br>
<br>Since your experience is with existing products, you could describe relative to existing devices like a Boss RC or a JamMan.&nbsp; Which features are most conducive to a free creative experience with your own personal style?&nbsp; Which features have annoyances or limitations?&nbsp; <br>
<br>What do you wish your device did?<br><br>I hope that with this community as essentially representatives of loop lovers in general, we can make The Perfect Looper a reality.<br><br>I promise its availability by Spring 2009.<br>

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I just thought i send you this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1D30gS7Z8U&feature=email

absolutely brilliant!
cheers
Luis



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what about Sonars stability and flexibility would you
use it live? thats the software i feel comfortable
with but ive never used it live since i dont do
laptops yet.I have cubase but never really felt at
home with it either.Ableton is on my agenda to learn.
I am getting a macbook soon and was thinking of
getting it with Logic,and start learning the software
since is the european standard in studios  but ive
heard the same commments about it.Here when i say i am
a sonar user they just laugh at me...;-)
Luis


+
--- Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> At 8:05 PM +0100 6/11/08, Os wrote:
> >I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly
> baffling.
> 
> Me too.  As well as Creator/Notator before it.  The
> interface was 
> always so excessively fiddly that my ADHD would
> force me out for a 
> beer before I could ever come to terms with it.
> 
> >And this is coming from someone who's been using
> DAWs since Cubase VST
> >on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
> 
> Likewise, I was on Atari and Steinberg's Pro 24 III,
> before *finally* 
> breaking down and grabbing Cubase at version 1.02. 
> I caught grief 
> from my friends for being a late adopter.  ;)
> 
> After Atari's demise finally sank in (I wouldn't
> relent for almost a 
> decade), I spent a few years during the 90's running
> Cubase on PC's, 
> until it finally became such a piece of bloatware
> that I couldn't 
> handle it anymore.  Didn't really come around to Mac
> again until 
> NextStep10... (uh, *cough*, sorry) I mean OSX came
> out.
> 
> Through all that, I still found C-Lab/Emagic's stuff
> too fiddly for 
> my tastes.  As always, YMMV.
> 
> >I find myself rarely using anything other than Live
> at the moment, for
> >live use or for studio projects.
> 
> Three for three here.  Although there's a render bug
> in Live 6 that's 
> about to annoy me into alcoholism.  Still, it works
> pretty great as a 
> DAW otherwise, and for my purposes so far it's the
> best plug host 
> I've come across (the only other contender is
> Bidule, which I'd be 
> using if I weren't so fond of Live's reverb).
> 
> 	--m.
> -- 
> _____
> "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word
> is a lie."
> 	( x ) <--- you are here.
> 
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:28 AM, nick ingvoldstad
<nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Perfect Looper

Modular. Different aspects of every function should be up in the
"preferences settings" to activate or deactivate. You would come
pretty close by taking the existing Mobius looper and integrating
everyones favorite scripts into it (extended EDP paradigm).

For those who don't like to start out "in the music" there could be
"functionality presets" in the preferences so they can start out "in
the looper".

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Boise Experimental Music Festival
<khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> No expression pedals. I
> just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful
> world of randomness take over. So liberating!

Awesome! It might get more fun if you could build some interactivity
into those random patches? I tried to fiddle with random in 90-92 by
playing with a guitar plus midi mic triggeering a sampler on the side
and I had a huge box of program/sound disks for the sampler and none
of those disks were marked up with its content. So I never knew what
the sampler would start spitting back at me when I started  a concert.
But I got bored with that system because I learned it so fast and it
never interacted with my playing. With MAX I think you could achieve
some interactivity these days?

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Per forgot to mention that it should have MIDI, Firewire, USB2, and
optical interfaces to work cross-platform with "NIX, Mac, and PCs, and
have 3 expression pedal inputs, too. Oh, and 8 1/4" stereo inputs and
8 outs, plus cost less than $500 US ... oh, and list members get to
beta test it first!

*GRIN ...hey, we ARE dreaming here.

~~ Dennis

P.S. Can you make it go to 11 1/2? 11 is so, I don't know ... so 90s.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:28 AM, nick ingvoldstad
<nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone :) this is my first post. Great community here!
>
> My name's Nick; I'm an electrical engineering student at Virginia Tech.  I
> am on a team of PhD students and ECE Professors designing a music looper
> intended to be market-competitive.  What I would so greatly appreciate from
> ye loop enthusiasts are your honest and detailed testimonies!
>
> I read the "building our own looper" thread and would like to bump that
> idea.  So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in which The Perfect
> Looper were to be coming in the mail this afternoon, and you DIDN'T wake up
> before getting to play with it... what would playing with it be like?  Its
> features, its interface, its structure, everything.
>
> Since your experience is with existing products, you could describe relative
> to existing devices like a Boss RC or a JamMan.  Which features are most
> conducive to a free creative experience with your own personal style?  Which
> features have annoyances or limitations?
>
> What do you wish your device did?
>
> I hope that with this community as essentially representatives of loop
> lovers in general, we can make The Perfect Looper a reality.
>
> I promise its availability by Spring 2009.
>

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I haven't seen much yet on this list regarding the Line 6 M13 which has b=
een announced last March (shipping date unknown). http://www.line6.com/m1=
3/

The specs look very interesting imo:

- 75 effects from DL4, Echo Pro, MM4, FM4 and DM4, 4 simultaneous in any =
order and any combination
- 28-second mono looper with dedicated footswitch controls for Undo, Reco=
rd/Overdub, Play/Stop, Half Speed and more
- stereo in/out, stereo FX send/return
- 2 expression pedal inputs, tap tempo, midi in/out

According to the manual, each pedal has it's own true bypass so in theory=
 you can run 4 DL4's and the looper which means 5 loopers. I have asked L=
ine 6 support if it sends midi clock and if it can sync to an external mi=
di clock. 

The price: Thomann will sell it for 479,- EUR which is not much if you co=
mpare it with EUR 344,- for 1 DL4 only!

Sjaak

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OK, guys - I agree that Logic is not exactly logical in its UI (altho
they say it's been redesigned, i have no base reference to judge
against). If y'all want to go off on comparative DAW wars, that's your
business. All I was comparing it to with Max, which is NOT A DAW in
the same sense at all, and is several orders of magnitude more
difficult to master than any of these products, imo, and finding it
funny that Max was more natural for Art than modern DAWs are. Throw
just about any DAW user in front of Max for a while, and most of them
would be smashing their heads against the wall in frustration in short
order.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 8:05 PM +0100 6/11/08, Os wrote:
>>
>> I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly baffling.
>
> Me too.  As well as Creator/Notator before it.  The interface was always so
> excessively fiddly that my ADHD would force me out for a beer before I could
> ever come to terms with it.
>
>> And this is coming from someone who's been using DAWs since Cubase VST
>> on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
>
> Likewise, I was on Atari and Steinberg's Pro 24 III, before *finally*
> breaking down and grabbing Cubase at version 1.02.  I caught grief from my
> friends for being a late adopter.  ;)
>
> After Atari's demise finally sank in (I wouldn't relent for almost a
> decade), I spent a few years during the 90's running Cubase on PC's, until
> it finally became such a piece of bloatware that I couldn't handle it
> anymore.  Didn't really come around to Mac again until NextStep10... (uh,
> *cough*, sorry) I mean OSX came out.
>
> Through all that, I still found C-Lab/Emagic's stuff too fiddly for my
> tastes.  As always, YMMV.
>
>> I find myself rarely using anything other than Live at the moment, for
>> live use or for studio projects.
>
> Three for three here.  Although there's a render bug in Live 6 that's about
> to annoy me into alcoholism.  Still, it works pretty great as a DAW
> otherwise, and for my purposes so far it's the best plug host I've come
> across (the only other contender is Bidule, which I'd be using if I weren't
> so fond of Live's reverb).
>
>        --m.
> --
> _____
> "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie."
>        ( x ) <--- you are here.
>
>

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> I read the "building our own looper" thread and would like to bump =
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DIDN'T wake up before getting to play with it... what would playing with =
it be like?  Its features, its interface, its structure, everything.

The perfect looper, though I really don't like that term "perfect", is =
one that would morph and evolve with me over time, adding new features =
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Oh, easily. Great idea. Though I need to stay true to my rule: no touchy the 
lappy. :)  Just kidding.

You just reminded me to finish something I started! Not totally the same as 
below, but I have a guitar synth in max I built that emulates the Roland 
GR300.  Part of the patch analyzes my guitar frequency and converts to 
numbers. And once you have numbers in max, you can do just about anything 
with them. What I had planned to do is design it so that certain ranges of 
notes on the guitar, now numbers, trigger changes in the random behavior of 
my system. So that if I played fast and high, it would speed the random 
change, and so on. Or if I played a particular note, it would trigger a 
specific change in random behabior, like reducing the range of paramaters 
randomly selected....all very easy to do. I really like this idea. I think I 
will build that when I get back.

Kris

> Awesome! It might get more fun if you could build some interactivity
> into those random patches? I tried to fiddle with random in 90-92 by
> playing with a guitar plus midi mic triggeering a sampler on the side
> and I had a huge box of program/sound disks for the sampler and none
> of those disks were marked up with its content. So I never knew what
> the sampler would start spitting back at me when I started  a concert.
> But I got bored with that system because I learned it so fast and it
> never interacted with my playing. With MAX I think you could achieve
> some interactivity these days?
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> 

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I was pretty happy with Sonar back at Sonar 3. And I have to say, from
it's Cakewalk roots, Sonar retains that CAL language which is a pretty
hip thing (Sonar 3 had it, anyway). Then I moved primarily to a Mac,
so it was time to try something else. I tried Live for a while, but
for me it was quite disappointing (for the money, i expected something
a lot more "complete", subjective as that term is, out of the box)

And Logic is not *that* frakking hard to learn! The Nahmani book is pretty good.

And the main reason it's hard to learn is that there is so much there
- and some of it is unfamiliar because it is different in a *better*
way! OK, the mouseover hints are not as good as they should be (as
opposed to Live, where they are superb), so that's just bad UI design.
And there are many other elements of the UI that are not as *I*
(perfect UI designer that I am) would do them.  But really, I was
recording audio+midi tracks and changing instruments and fx inside of
an hour or two.

So I would say to you, don't let the fear-mongers dissuade you. For
someone like me (clearly not for everyone) there seems to be a lot
more to like in Logic than Live.

That said: I'm using a 460-page book of tutorials to guide me through
it, the user manual is 1055 pages, and the the Instruments/Effect
manual another 450! And this is for Express! But I'm not looking for a
quick fix. I'm looking for something deep that I can "live in" for the
next 5-10 years (with additions and upgrades over time). And I'm not
throwing away MAX/MSP either.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:20 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> what about Sonars stability and flexibility would you
> use it live? thats the software i feel comfortable
> with but ive never used it live since i dont do
> laptops yet.I have cubase but never really felt at
> home with it either.Ableton is on my agenda to learn.
> I am getting a macbook soon and was thinking of
> getting it with Logic,and start learning the software
> since is the european standard in studios  but ive
> heard the same commments about it.Here when i say i am
> a sonar user they just laugh at me...;-)
> Luis
>
>
> +
> --- Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
>
>> At 8:05 PM +0100 6/11/08, Os wrote:
>> >I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly
>> baffling.
>>
>> Me too.  As well as Creator/Notator before it.  The
>> interface was
>> always so excessively fiddly that my ADHD would
>> force me out for a
>> beer before I could ever come to terms with it.
>>
>> >And this is coming from someone who's been using
>> DAWs since Cubase VST
>> >on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
>>
>> Likewise, I was on Atari and Steinberg's Pro 24 III,
>> before *finally*
>> breaking down and grabbing Cubase at version 1.02.
>> I caught grief
>> from my friends for being a late adopter.  ;)
>>
>> After Atari's demise finally sank in (I wouldn't
>> relent for almost a
>> decade), I spent a few years during the 90's running
>> Cubase on PC's,
>> until it finally became such a piece of bloatware
>> that I couldn't
>> handle it anymore.  Didn't really come around to Mac
>> again until
>> NextStep10... (uh, *cough*, sorry) I mean OSX came
>> out.
>>
>> Through all that, I still found C-Lab/Emagic's stuff
>> too fiddly for
>> my tastes.  As always, YMMV.
>>
>> >I find myself rarely using anything other than Live
>> at the moment, for
>> >live use or for studio projects.
>>
>> Three for three here.  Although there's a render bug
>> in Live 6 that's
>> about to annoy me into alcoholism.  Still, it works
>> pretty great as a
>> DAW otherwise, and for my purposes so far it's the
>> best plug host
>> I've come across (the only other contender is
>> Bidule, which I'd be
>> using if I weren't so fond of Live's reverb).
>>
>>       --m.
>> --
>> _____
>> "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word
>> is a lie."
>>       ( x ) <--- you are here.
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>

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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
>  Logic is not exactly logical in its UI


Although I happen to know a lot about what can be achieved with Logic
I do agree with Warren on that. It's not "logical".

And the reason is that Logic is neither a performance tool nor a
computer game. It is a virtual in-the-box realization of the classical
recording studio concept: This advanced three part tool-set of (1)
mixing console, (2) patch-bay and (3) effect rack. There are hundreds
of ways to connect these three main areas to affect audio streams in
different ways. This just can't be "logical". The "logic" has to exist
in the music and in the workflow strategies of the producer.

This also shows what a misdirected ambition it would be trying "to
learn Logic". You can't "learn Logic". What you should learn is rather
"music recording production"! When you know the classic production
techniques you will find great help in the tools provided by the Logic
Studio package. These techniques are simple and basic as they have not
changed much since Lee Perry and Joe Meek pioneered them. It just that
Logic makes it easier to cable it all up.

Compared to Max, Logic is a less open patching environment, since it
offers prefab modules strongly focused on composing and producing a
piece of recorded music. The compositional aspect is also what differs
Logic from Pro Tools, although both applications are good "recorders".
Pro Tools known for being the faster in an intense studio tracking
situation. Engineers tend to gravitate towards Pro Tools while
composers reach for Logic.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> You just reminded me to finish something I started! Not totally the same as
> below, but I have a guitar synth in max I built that emulates the Roland
> GR300.  Part of the patch analyzes my guitar frequency and converts to
> numbers. And once you have numbers in max, you can do just about anything
> with them. What I had planned to do is design it so that certain ranges of
> notes on the guitar, now numbers, trigger changes in the random behavior of
> my system. So that if I played fast and high, it would speed the random
> change, and so on. Or if I played a particular note, it would trigger a
> specific change in random behabior, like reducing the range of paramaters
> randomly selected....all very easy to do. I really like this idea. I think I
> will build that when I get back.
>
> Kris


That kind of thinking was EXACTLY what I had in mind! I honestly
suspected you were already into it ;-)  Can't wait to hear about your
findings in praxis...

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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> I haven't seen much yet on this list regarding the Line 6 M13 
> which has been announced last March (shipping date unknown). 
> http://www.line6.com/m13/
> 
> The specs look very interesting imo:

Frankly, I would consider a device where the F.A.Q posted by the
manufacturer is obviously not true and shows disrespect towards...well,
actually, most of us here:

"ow many different kinds of effects are included in M13 Stompbox Modeler?
More than you will ever be able to use on any one gig."

(from http://www.line6.com/m13/faq.html)

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I'd like an m13 loaded with only inter-syncing DL4s!
And an ADAT opto-pipe jack.
That would be cool.

per


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<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>> I haven't seen much yet on this list regarding the Line 6 M13
>> which has been announced last March (shipping date unknown).
>> http://www.line6.com/m13/
>>
>> The specs look very interesting imo:
>
> Frankly, I would consider a device where the F.A.Q posted by the
> manufacturer is obviously not true and shows disrespect towards...well,
> actually, most of us here:
>
> "ow many different kinds of effects are included in M13 Stompbox Modeler?
> More than you will ever be able to use on any one gig."
>
> (from http://www.line6.com/m13/faq.html)
>
>

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I had that *exact* same thing happen to me at a different performance!

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 10:08 AM -0700 6/11/08, info at zoekeating wrote:
>>
>> i don't use Mainstage, but the whole ordering thing has thrown me off
>> numerous times... [*snip*]
>>
>> and don't get me started about sleep....
>
> This is exactly what bit me during the second half of my LY2k7 performance.
>  Since everything depends on a quick load in/out, I set everything up then
> slept the computer.  Thirty seconds later, I realized that there was one
> tweek I had yet to make so I opened the laptop back up again.  However, I'd
> already packed up the audio interface, so Ableton automatically switched my
> preferences back to the internal card without informing me.
>
> Later, I started to fire up everything onstage, but quickly found I had to
> punt all the laptop stuff because of no audio.  It was only after the
> performance that I realized it was simply Live shuttling everything out the
> wrong interface.
>
> Grrrrrrr...  >8/
>
>        --m.
> --
> _____
> "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one
> step..."
>
>

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> Per wrote:
> I'd like an m13 loaded with only inter-syncing DL4s!

Don't follow you here :) Do you mean 4 tempo synced DL4's? The manual say=
s that the tap tempo is a global function so each DL4 should be able to s=
ync to the global tempo setting. Un-synced is also possible, but dunno wh=
at the max delay time of a DL4 is.

Sjaak
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Very exciting. The possibilities of having the output of my guitar trigger 
changes in my max system are almost endless. It could be anything, from 
random functionality change, to just basic things. Like imagine if you play 
a particular frequency, it triggers a script that records a 10 second loop, 
plays it back in random speed, and then stops.   I could even make the 
system randomly respond to different frequencies on the guitar and plant 
little easter eggs throughout my system.  One minute,  a 440hz frequency 
triggers reverse loop, the next it is triggering my random pitch shifter, 
the next it is chopping my signal up or using some granular synthesis stuff. 
Hey, maybe I can write a patch that shuts my system down if I play too many 
notes. :)

Kris

> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> 
> wrote:
>>
>> You just reminded me to finish something I started! Not totally the same 
>> as
>> below, but I have a guitar synth in max I built that emulates the Roland
>> GR300.  Part of the patch analyzes my guitar frequency and converts to
>> numbers. And once you have numbers in max, you can do just about anything
>> with them. What I had planned to do is design it so that certain ranges 
>> of
>> notes on the guitar, now numbers, trigger changes in the random behavior 
>> of
>> my system. So that if I played fast and high, it would speed the random
>> change, and so on. Or if I played a particular note, it would trigger a
>> specific change in random behabior, like reducing the range of paramaters
>> randomly selected....all very easy to do. I really like this idea. I 
>> think I
>> will build that when I get back.
>>
>> Kris
>
>
> That kind of thinking was EXACTLY what I had in mind! I honestly
> suspected you were already into it ;-)  Can't wait to hear about your
> findings in praxis...
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> 

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--- On Thu, 6/12/08, nick ingvoldstad <nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:
> I read the "building our own looper" thread and
> would like to bump that
> idea.  So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in
> which The Perfect
> Looper were to be coming in the mail this afternoon, and
> you DIDN'T wake up
> before getting to play with it... what would playing with
> it be like?  Its
> features, its interface, its structure, everything.

To me, "perfection" means it exactly meets the defined requirements. The problem is that different people and different situations will have different requirements. Here are mine:

- intended for guitar players
- single-width floor stompbox (see Guyatone's Micro Effects series)
- powered by 9V battery or standard Boss adaptor
- 30 seconds looping time
- true bypass (ideally)
- minimal controls: single footswitch, volume control for the looped output, one or two LEDs
- single loop only, no modulation, no overdubbing capability
- cheap: US$100 each (want multiple loops? buy two)

> Which features have annoyances or limitations?

For me (admittedly I'm a beginner), there are a lot of products that do a lot (e.g., the Boss RC-2), but the more they do, the more complicated the interface gets, and the more cramped things get (e.g., the Boss RC-2). I want something that's single-use, easy to operate, and cheap (again, see Guyatone's Micro Effects series, or Danelectro's effects "food" line of pedals).

> What do you wish your device did?

Not much; see above.

Aloha,
Brad

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I don't think the DL4 models in the M13 include the Looper .


Maybe at Line 6 they just watch those Roland/Boss DVDs all day :-)
(hence the major focus on canned backing)

andy butler

Sjaak wrote:
>> Per wrote:
>> I'd like an m13 loaded with only inter-syncing DL4s!
> 
> Don't follow you here :) Do you mean 4 tempo synced DL4's? The manual says that the tap tempo is a global function so each DL4 should be able to sync to the global tempo setting. Un-synced is also possible, but dunno what the max delay time of a DL4 is.
> 
> Sjaak
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
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Hello LD!
This post is for all the EDP people.
I've been toying around, reading and reading. It really does take awhile to wrap you head 
around this instrument when you first get it!

So many parameters that I thought it would be a good idea to organize my presets by
the number of loops.  ie... I'd have 1 loop w/ MIDI off and the next might be 1 loop w/ MIDI on,
then on to preset number 3 where there'd be two loops and so forth.  But, this gets all confusing.
I started imagining all the different presets and the myriad of notes all over my songs. 

So then last night I decide I'm gonna go through each and every one of the Interface modes.
I didn't make it.  I of course got stuck on "stutter" before making it to expert.  But, dang - 
stutter is incredible! This opened up a whole new door for me and now I'm thinking I really 
wanna do more experimental stuff than to try and bend this machine to the will of an arrangement
for guitar.  I of course will probably end up doing both but, it got me to thinking maybe I could reserve say 1-3 for Loop Mode, 4-6 for the next mode and so on.  

How do other people organize their presets in this thing?  Do you have any rhyme or reason?
Is there any organization to your madness? or do you just save another preset and maybe jot down a few notes?

Any input would be great.
Big Thanks,
Andy

www.myspace.com/nd01



      
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 <br>stutter is incredible! This opened up a whole new door for me and now I'm thinking I really <br>wanna do more experimental stuff than to try and bend this machine to the will of an arrangement<br>for guitar.&nbsp; I of course will probably end up doing both but, it got me to thinking maybe I could reserve say 1-3 for Loop Mode, 4-6 for the next mode and so on.&nbsp; <br><br>How do other people organize their presets in this thing?&nbsp; Do you have any rhyme or reason?<br>Is there any organization to your madness? or do you just save another preset and maybe jot down a few notes?<br><br>Any input would be great.<br>Big Thanks,<br>Andy<br><br>www.myspace.com/nd01<div><br></div></div><br>

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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andy garber <andrewgarber@yahoo.com> wrote:

> How do other people organize their presets in this thing?

I mainly use the programs for different 16ths per Cycle settings.
Everything else is the same in all my programs. The reason is that
with Loop4 you can access parameter directly by MIDI, so I'd rather
switch bank on my FCB1010 pedal than complicate the looper programs.
The practical use for these EDP programs is to loop in different
timing measures and to create poly rhythmical (quantized) actions.

My fav Interface Mode is Replace.

-- 
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Hey Kris
I love your idea of using the computer this way!  This is something I've
wondered about for many years, but never had the where-with-all to actually
create it.   Please let us hear some examples.

-Qua

-----Original Message-----
From: Boise Experimental Music Festival [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] 
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Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time with my 
instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time fiddling with

and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks absolutely 
ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to have my cake and eat it too.

I just finished my revised max/msp looping/effects system. I was very 
inspired by the Boise Experimental Music Festival, after playing a set 
before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew Pask (of Cycling 74) the first night, and a 
workshop that Jeff did on the many approaches to using the computer for live

performance.  Andrew is actually using a totally random based max/msp system

so he just plays his sax and let's the computer do everything for him.

Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of random 
algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and functions 
(everything from my scripts to basic functions like reverse halfspeed, 
doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, etc), and all my 
max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor as a VST), I now 
turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No expression pedals. I 
just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful 
world of randomness take over. So liberating! I don't even need to have my 
computer screen open.  It's like playing with another person whose job is to

process my sound (like what Evan Parker has done with others), because I 
have no idea what sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are going 
to occur. I'm really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I wasn't 
satisfied with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found and used 
some max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which simulate Brownian

movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating.   And of course, I 
can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that while I'm playing, if

I hear the computer do something really interesting that I like with the 
looper or effects, I turn the random functions off, and it will sort of 
freeze in the last state or frame of looping and effect parameters.

More later...gotta pack for vacation now.

Kris 

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I divide my presets between those with LoopCopy=SND and those without, the
only other thing that changes is the number of loops (2, 3 or 4).  I use
five presets (the 4 loop version is always with LoopCopy=OFF).  I always
have insert set up for Reverse.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andy garber <andrewgarber@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How do other people organize their presets in this thing?
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> I

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I divide my presets between those with LoopCopy=SND and those without, the only other thing that changes is the number of loops (2, 3 or 4).&nbsp; I use five presets (the 4 loop version is always with LoopCopy=OFF).&nbsp; I always have insert set up for Reverse.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andy garber &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewgarber@yahoo.com">andrewgarber@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; How do other people organize their presets in this thing?<br>
<br>
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You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.
Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a performance and tell
them that it's very important that they not touch anything while you're
playing.

TH

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

> Hey Kris
> I love your idea of using the computer this way!  This is something I've
> wondered about for many years, but never had the where-with-all to actually
> create it.   Please let us hear some examples.
>
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You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.&nbsp; <br>Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a performance and tell them that it&#39;s very important that they not touch anything while you&#39;re playing.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Qua Veda &lt;<a href="mailto:qua@oregon.com">qua@oregon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey Kris<br>
I love your idea of using the computer this way! &nbsp;This is something I&#39;ve<br>
wondered about for many years, but never had the where-with-all to actually<br>
create it. &nbsp; Please let us hear some examples.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>

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andy garber wrote:
> Hello LD!
> This post is for all the EDP people.

> So then last night I decide I'm gonna go through each and every one of 
> the Interface modes.
> I didn't make it.  I of course got stuck on "stutter" before making it 
> to expert.  But, dang -
> stutter is incredible! This opened up a whole new door for me and now 

congrats, afaik you're the first person to "discover" Stutter without having it
pointed out to them. 



> 
> How do other people organize their presets in this thing?  Do you have 
> any rhyme or reason?

I have preset 1 set for general use, MoreLoops=2,
SwitchQuant=CnF, Quantise=Off, SamplerStyle=StA

That's actually all I need for most EDP Tricks.

apart from that, I have a few presets that work with particular compositions,
or improv styles.
i.e. one composition needs 3 loops
    a glitchy SUS preset
    a couple of ways of doing those pseudo-sequencer things.
    a preset with 5 loops designed to be called up directly with midi(which I still didn't get anything out of)
    a preset with different 8th/cycle vals on the 2 EDPs for instant polyrhythmics 
probably a couple more, but those are the main ones.

andy butler
    


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In delay mode, 2.5 seconds, a little less in reverse mode. 14 second looper.

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> Per wrote:
> I'd like an m13 loaded with only inter-syncing DL4s!

 Un-synced is also possible, but dunno what the max delay time of a DL4 is.

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Lol...


--- On Thu, 6/12/08, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM
> You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.
> Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a
> performance and tell
> them that it's very important that they not touch
> anything while you're
> playing.
> 
> TH
 



      

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"Thinking up beautiful music"

The author of this article does not seem to understand that "His Own
Brain" is the instrument the person in the video struggles to learn
how to play. They keep talking about "playing instruments by brain
waves" when the instrument actually is the brain!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7446552.stm

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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> Andy wrote:
> I don't think the DL4 models in the M13 include the Looper .
> Maybe at Line 6 they just watch those Roland/Boss DVDs all day :-)
> (hence the major focus on canned backing)

You mean re-issueing "old" technlogy in a new package? :) Yep, Roland is =
in that. And about the M13 looper, this is what the FAQ says:

"Much like the DL4, it=92s a straight-forward sound-on-sound looper (wher=
e you can build up sounds by overdubbing them one at time) but we have ma=
de a few upgrades: you can loop up to 28 seconds, you get one layer of un=
do and you can use all of your effects while using the looper."

So if I interpreted this well, you can use 4 effects and the new looper a=
t the same time. It's a pitty the looper still is mono though. Anyway, it=
 could be very usefull as a "pre-looper" to create all kind of effects an=
d short loops of 2.5 sec's max .

Sjaak
=0A

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If you record at half-speed, you get 28 seconds out of the looper.  I've
never noticed the audio downgrade in a live situation.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Duke <echohead@embarqmail.com> wrote:

> In delay mode, 2.5 seconds, a little less in reverse mode. 14 second
> looper.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" <tcplugin@scarlet.be>
> To: "Loopers-Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
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> Un-synced is also possible, but dunno what the max delay time of a DL4 is.
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If you record at half-speed, you get 28 seconds out of the looper.&nbsp; I&#39;ve never noticed the audio downgrade in a live situation.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Duke &lt;<a href="mailto:echohead@embarqmail.com">echohead@embarqmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">In delay mode, 2.5 seconds, a little less in reverse mode. 14 second looper.<br>
<br>
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LOL ! 
Perhaps going all-hardware, with a clockworkx thingy that randomly turns
knobs, pushes buttons...
 I bet this guy could build something.. 
http://www.glumbert.com/media/kineticsculpture


--- On Thu, 6/12/08, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM
> You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.
> Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a
> performance and tell
> them that it's very important that they not touch
> anything while you're
> playing.
> 
> TH
 



      

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On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

> http://www.glumbert.com/media/kineticsculpture

Fantastic!
But its connection to music has more to do with composition than with random.

-- 
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>From what I read, there is a 28 second looper, and in 1/2 speed mode, there
would be 56 seconds. They also have a setting to make feedback of the looper
less than 100%, but reading through the initial manual, the looper doesn't
seem to put the feedback amount under expression pedal control, nor can you
put loop volume under expression pedal control (like on the DL4). The
manuals I read weren't complete, and I was told the software for this thing
was not finalized, so if this box sounds remotely interesting to any loopers
out there, I'd encourage you to make a feature request here:
http://www.line6.com/company/contact/productFeedback/?topicSelected=3

I requested to at least to make feedback or loop volume controllable with an
expression pedal. Unless I have some sort of control over the loop, I don't
think it would be very interesting as a looping device.

Dave Eichenberger
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-----Original Message-----


I don't think the DL4 models in the M13 include the Looper .


Maybe at Line 6 they just watch those Roland/Boss DVDs all day :-)
(hence the major focus on canned backing)

andy butler

Sjaak wrote:
>> Per wrote:
>> I'd like an m13 loaded with only inter-syncing DL4s!
> 
> Don't follow you here :) Do you mean 4 tempo synced DL4's? The manual says
that the tap tempo is a global function so each DL4 should be able to sync
to the global tempo setting. Un-synced is also possible, but dunno what the
max delay time of a DL4 is.

> 
> Sjaak
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
> 
> 
> 

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Didn't the (discontinued) EchoPro offer 28/56 seconds of looping time?  But
while you could MIDI sync the delays, you couldn't the looper?

TH

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:19 AM, dave eichenberger <
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> From what I read, there is a 28 second looper, and in 1/2 speed mode, there
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Didn&#39;t the (discontinued) EchoPro offer 28/56 seconds of looping time?&nbsp; But while you could MIDI sync the delays, you couldn&#39;t the looper?<br><br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:19 AM, dave eichenberger &lt;<a href="mailto:dave@daveeichenberger.com">dave@daveeichenberger.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">From what I read, there is a 28 second looper, and in 1/2 speed mode, there<br>
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...when i press button #2 - nothing happens - it doesnt recognize the midi =
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this is also how my LP1 responds
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is or reccomend a midi foot controller that does not work like this
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ive had it for awhile but&nbsp;just ran into a software flaw, - im hoping f=
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&nbsp;<BR>
they 're running version 2.3 and heres my problemo<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
lets say button number 1 is set to midi message REC<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
and button number 2 is also set to midi message REC<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
...when i press button #1 - repeater goes into Record<BR>
...when i press button #2 - nothing happens - it doesnt recognize the midi =
command<BR>
....if i press button #2 again, it will recognize the command and end the R=
EC mode<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
so why the hell does it take 2 button presses to send the message? if the 2=
 buttons are 2 different midi messages, there are no problems....but when t=
he same message is designated to 2 buttons, it takes 2 presses of the same =
button to send the midi message...freakin weird<BR>
if i never press the same button twice, i can go back and forth from hittin=
g button #1 and button #2 and never have the repeater recognize the 2nd&nbs=
p;MIDI command<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
this is also how my LP1 responds<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
dunno if theres a workaround - was just hoping someone else could verify th=
is&nbsp;or <STRONG><U>reccomend a midi foot controller that does not work l=
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> I read the "building our own looper" thread and would like to bump
> that idea.  So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in which
> The Perfect Looper were to be coming in the mail this afternoon, and
> you DIDN'T wake up before getting to play with it... what would
> playing with it be like?  Its features, its interface, its structure,
> everything.

This topic comes up every now and then.  One thing to understand is
that building the "Perfect Looper" is a bit like building the "Perfect
Car" or finding the "Perfect Wife".  It is hard to please everyone.

Also, while there is a certain amount of "electrical engineering"
required here, in practice I think your bigger problems will be
software development and manufacturing economics.

I'll assume you're familiar with the devices out there now from the
Boss RC-2 on up to the Looperlative and Gibson Echoplex.  Do you have
a particular price point or market segment in mind?

There are people on this list that know more about the economics of
hardware manufacturing than I do, but one thing is clear: it is
pointless to enter the low end of the market.  Roland and DigiTech own
that, you cannot compete with them on price.

Then there is the mid range: the RC-50, EH 2880, Boomerang.  It is
possible you could build something in the $500 range that is better
than these but it is doubtful unless you have a partnership with a
major manufacturer.

On the high end you have boutique devices like the Looperlative.  Here
it is not so much an electrical engineering problem as an enormous
software problem.  You will need to build a relatively general purpose
platform for hosting audio applications, then design a looping
application to embed in it.  This application will need to evolve over
time and be easy to upgrade because you will never get it right the
first time and people will throw new feature requests at you every
day.

You will probably get more specific advice if you can pick which range
of the market you would like to target.

Regards,
Jeff

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The downloadable M13 user manual at

http://line6.com/data/l/0a060072cb6448318d836f1b6/application/pdf/M13%20Stompbox%20Modeler%20Users%20Manual%20(Rev%20B)%20-%20English.pdf

... indicates the looper component features a feedback control. However, 
reading this again, it is predictably vague about whether it can be 
assigned to one of the expression pedals... The ability to quickly fade 
a loop so as to emphasize a newly overdubbed theme is the first feature 
I look for in any of these hardware products. The Electrix Repeater sure 
has spoiled me! One day Moebius may follow me to a live performance, but 
for me, most of the new loopers just seem hobbled from the git-go...

 >Looper
A built-in looper runs along with all the effects, providing 28 second 
mono operation.
• The looper can run before or after the FX Units, with footswitch 
pre/post switching
• Undo lets you discard the last recording pass
• You can run the loop in reverse or at half speed (for 56 seconds loop 
time)
• Adjustable ODUBLVL reduces the volume of previous overdubs as you 
layer audio<


Dan Ash
White Plains, NY


> Re: Line 6 M13
> From:
> andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> Date:
> Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:14:57 +0100
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> I don't think the DL4 models in the M13 include the Looper .
>
>
> Maybe at Line 6 they just watch those Roland/Boss DVDs all day :-)
> (hence the major focus on canned backing) 

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> Also, while there is a certain amount of "electrical engineering"
> required here, in practice I think your bigger problems will be
> software development and manufacturing economics.

Jeff hit the nail on the head here.  Honestly, I think the economics is the 
largest issue.  It is easy to look at the market and say that electronics 
are cheap, but the reality is that they are only cheap if you are willing 
manufacture several thousand.  I have investigated options for manufacturing 
the LP1 for less money, but without a huge amount of investment capital, it 
can't be done. 

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Dan Ash wrote:
> The downloadable M13 user manual at
> 
> http://line6.com/data/l/0a060072cb6448318d836f1b6/application/pdf/M13%20Stompbox%20Modeler%20Users%20Manual%20(Rev%20B)%20-%20English.pdf 
> 
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> ... indicates the looper component features a feedback control. However, 
> reading this again, it is predictably vague about whether it can be 
> assigned to one of the expression pedals... 

They say that the expression peds control the 4 stomp box things,
and show how to hook that up. 
Works similar to using a pedal with the DL4, but each stomp box can be controlled
by either pedal(or by none).
Also, you can control as many stompboxes with each pedal as you like. 

It looks like you won't be controlling the looper feedback with the expression ped.

The feedback on the looper only comes into operation during overdub,
and you have to go into setup mode to change the setting.
They don't say if the loop keeps running when you go into "setup".

andy(bringer of bad news)butler

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> Per, Apple ought to hire you to be a spokesperson. I'm ordering the
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And I'm finally buying the new  Logic Studio!


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do you think this might be your problem?

if you're running the latest version of the repeater software, a =20
second press of "record" (or PC message 4?) closes the loop but puts =20
you into automatic overdub. then the third press stops overdubbbing.

you can turn this feature off in the utility menu, and it will stay =20
off until you turn it back on.

(to access the utility menu press and hold STOP and press COPY. turn =20
the left knob to get to the menu item that says 'Rec-Odub')



On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:03 AM, J Johans wrote:

> ive had it for awhile but just ran into a software flaw, - im =20
> hoping for a workaround or maybe a new product
>
> they 're running version 2.3 and heres my problemo
>
> lets say button number 1 is set to midi message REC
>
> and button number 2 is also set to midi message REC
>
> ...when i press button #1 - repeater goes into Record
> ...when i press button #2 - nothing happens - it doesnt recognize =20
> the midi command
> ....if i press button #2 again, it will recognize the command and =20
> end the REC mode
>
>
> so why the hell does it take 2 button presses to send the message? =20
> if the 2 buttons are 2 different midi messages, there are no =20
> problems....but when the same message is designated to 2 buttons, =20
> it takes 2 presses of the same button to send the midi =20
> message...freakin weird
> if i never press the same button twice, i can go back and forth =20
> from hitting button #1 and button #2 and never have the repeater =20
> recognize the 2nd MIDI command
>
> this is also how my LP1 responds
>
>
> dunno if theres a workaround - was just hoping someone else could =20
> verify this or reccomend a midi foot controller that does not work =20
> like this
>
> muchas gracias
>
> fro
>
> It=92s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites =20
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
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problem?<div><br></div><div>if you're running the latest version of the =
repeater software, a second press of "record" (or PC message 4?) closes =
the loop but puts you into automatic overdub. then the third press stops =
overdubbbing.<div><div><br></div><div>you can turn this feature off in =
the utility menu, and it will stay off until you turn it back =
on.</div><div><br></div><div>(to access the utility menu press and hold =
STOP and press COPY. turn the left knob to get to the menu item that =
says =
'Rec-Odub')</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><d=
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ran into a software flaw, - im hoping for a workaround or maybe a new =
product<br>=A0<br>they 're running version 2.3 and heres my =
problemo<br>=A0<br>lets say button number 1 is set to midi message =
REC<br>=A0<br>and button number 2 is also set to midi message =
REC<br>=A0<br>...when i press button #1 - repeater goes into =
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recognize the command and end the REC mode<br>=A0<br>=A0<br>so why the =
hell does it take 2 button presses to send the message? if the 2 buttons =
are 2 different midi messages, there are no problems....but when the =
same message is designated to 2 buttons, it takes 2 presses of the same =
button to send the midi message...freakin weird<br>if i never press the =
same button twice, i can go back and forth from hitting button #1 and =
button #2 and never have the repeater recognize the 2nd=A0MIDI =
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> > Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time with
> my 
> > instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time fiddling 
> > with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks 
> > absolutely ridiculous in my opinion)

I'm glad somebody finally said this!!
If I ever move to a laptop (which I'm still resisting... ;-) it will definetely be a setup where the damn thing will simply stay _closed_ once and forever. Shure, tweaking some computer knobs might seem cool.
But really, isn't music (also) about making a connection with the audience? Sitting completely self-absorbed and remote in front of a computer is not my thing. At least it sucks my attention completely - I wouldn't wanna have that.

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Ok guys

this is really true: I discovered another "feature" hidden in the RC-50! :-))

It was that evening when Rick Walker showed me his Looperlative and some tricks of the trade while touring here in Europe (thanks very much! :-) It wasn't exactly a Looperlative trick, but it kind of inspired me.

So, I sat down and figured out a way to use A/B switching similar to the Boomerang on the RC-50.

Like my discovery of the "loop feedback" feature that involves an extra item (adapter cable to bridge Sub Out/Aux In), again this new feature needs also a little tool: a simple guitar A/B footswitch will do for the start.

So, you put the Main Out (left) and the Sub Out (left) on the A/B footswitch and send the pedal output to your mixer/amp. (that means we're starting mono, but technically stereo works the same way).

The setup idea is very simple:
- Setup your RC-50 in MULTI mode 
   (tempo sync all phrases, turn the damn Rhythm track off, the usual stuff...)
- Make sure that Input Out = Main+Sub 
   (either "Name/Patch" or "System/Usb" button)
- Set PHRASE1 (=loop1) OUTPUT=MAIN
- Set PHRASE2  OUTPUT=SUB
- Set PHRASE3 OUTPUT=MAIN+SUB

Now, you record a little percussive loop on PHRASE 3. Then you record your A-Part on PHRASE1 and your B-Part on PHRASE2. You toggle with the A/B footswitch between Part-A/B while the PHRASE3 always keeps on running.

That's it!!!

This is actually great for song structures where I work with a Verse/Bridge or Verse/Chorus part. I  always felt that the MULTI MODE and SINGLE MODE both lacked something, I was searching for a "MIXED" mode.
So, in a way, this is actually more of a mute function rather than loop switching (so pay attention to loop lenghts and you may want to put the shorter loop on PHRASE1).

Since I'm more of a "song performer" rather than an "ambient musician", this is exactly what I needed.
I'm very happy with it!

Get a guitar footswitch and try it out - it's really easy! :-)

Buzap

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   Hi Andy, congrats on your EDP!  :)

   Personally, I have two banks of 'basic' functions that I use all =20
the time, and then two other banks which change modes and quantize =20
settings etc.

   This way I can have all of the functions I like, mapped out, and =20
then simply change mode and still have all of same but in the new =20
mode.  Does that make sense?=85

HTH and hope you have bunches o' fun!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 12, 2008, at 7:34 AM, andy garber wrote:

> Hello LD!
> This post is for all the EDP people.
> I've been toying around, reading and reading. It really does take =20
> awhile to wrap you head
> around this instrument when you first get it!
>
> So many parameters that I thought it would be a good idea to =20
> organize my presets by
> the number of loops.  ie... I'd have 1 loop w/ MIDI off and the next =20=

> might be 1 loop w/ MIDI on,
> then on to preset number 3 where there'd be two loops and so forth.  =20=

> But, this gets all confusing.
> I started imagining all the different presets and the myriad of =20
> notes all over my songs.
>
> So then last night I decide I'm gonna go through each and every one =20=

> of the Interface modes.
> I didn't make it.  I of course got stuck on "stutter" before making =20=

> it to expert.  But, dang -
> stutter is incredible! This opened up a whole new door for me and =20
> now I'm thinking I really
> wanna do more experimental stuff than to try and bend this machine =20
> to the will of an arrangement
> for guitar.  I of course will probably end up doing both but, it got =20=

> me to thinking maybe I could reserve say 1-3 for Loop Mode, 4-6 for =20=

> the next mode and so on.
>
> How do other people organize their presets in this thing?  Do you =20
> have any rhyme or reason?
> Is there any organization to your madness? or do you just save =20
> another preset and maybe jot down a few notes?
>
> Any input would be great.
> Big Thanks,
> Andy
>
> www.myspace.com/nd01
>
>
>

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   Ah, and I also should have been more clear.  I was referring to  
bank changes on an FCB 10 10 rather than changing programs on the EDP  
itself.  Thanks Per, and sorry Andy, if my note wasn't clear.

Smiles,

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On Jun 12, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:34 PM, andy garber  
> <andrewgarber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> How do other people organize their presets in this thing?
>
> I mainly use the programs for different 16ths per Cycle settings.
> Everything else is the same in all my programs. The reason is that
> with Loop4 you can access parameter directly by MIDI, so I'd rather
> switch bank on my FCB1010 pedal than complicate the looper programs.
> The practical use for these EDP programs is to loop in different
> timing measures and to create poly rhythmical (quantized) actions.
>
> My fav Interface Mode is Replace.
>
> -- 
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>
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   Travis you rock!  lol!

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 12, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.
> Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a performance and  
> tell them that it's very important that they not touch anything  
> while you're playing.
>
> TH
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:
> Hey Kris
> I love your idea of using the computer this way!  This is something  
> I've
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>
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Wow!  Thank you all SO much for taking the time to respond and help me out
with this.  I've taken the time to address every one of you :)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Modular. Different aspects of every function should be up in the
"preferences settings" to activate or deactivate. You would come
pretty close by taking the existing Mobius looper and integrating
everyones favorite scripts into it (extended EDP paradigm).
---------------------------
I agree; since everyone is going to want to use this differently, I will be
doing my best to make it flexible by having preferences for a couple things:
When and how it begins recording, when and how it stops recording, whether
or not record takes will be beatmapped and cut to fit the tempo (won't want
loops to diverge unless you're doin a little Steve Reich experiment haha),
etc.

I've downloaded Mobius and am playing with it and exploring its features.
It seems more complicated than I want.  For instance, I don't think it's
necessary for the looper to know what time signature you're playing in.  I'm
having a hard time finding scripts for it on Google, I assume its that
people write them and host them online for others?
---------------------------
For those who don't like to start out "in the music" there could be
"functionality presets" in the preferences so they can start out "in
the looper".
---------------------------
I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate?

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Per forgot to mention that it should have MIDI, Firewire, USB2, and
optical interfaces to work cross-platform with "NIX, Mac, and PCs, and
have 3 expression pedal inputs, too.
---------------------------
I do like the idea of having it interface with MIDI, Firewire, and USB.  If
this becomes expensive it might just have to be USB and MIDI.  What would
the advantage of having Firewire capabilities along with USB be?  I probably
am not thinking of something, but I know that Macs and PC's both support USB
and that Firewire is faster than USB, but if that's the only advantage then
I think USB is fast enough.

As far as pedal inputs, I was thinking that people could run their
instruments through a pedal and then run that into the input if they wanted
to do so, and multiple inputs would allow people to run different pedals
into different inputs, using them simultaneously.  Is this the functionality
you were getting at?  I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that.
---------------------------
Oh, and 8 1/4" stereo inputs and
8 outs, plus cost less than $500 US ... oh, and list members get to
beta test it first!

*GRIN ...hey, we ARE dreaming here.
---------------------------
I like the idea of multiple inputs and corresponding outputs for each track
if one wishes, along with one 1/4" output for the sum of all, if that's all
one needs.  It SHOULD cost less than $500, I am not planning for it to be
more than that.
---------------------------
P.S. Can you make it go to 11 1/2? 11 is so, I don't know ... so 90s.
---------------------------
Again, I'm sorry for not being able to communicate fluently with you all
yet, but what do you mean by this? 11 what?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The perfect looper, though I really don't like that term "perfect", is one
that would morph and evolve with me over time, adding new features and
removing others, vs. being a static set of features and functionality.
---------------------------
What if when a new version were released, you could mail yours to them, pay
the difference, and get the new version in return?  Or would you like to be
able to request features to be added or removed from your model, and get a
customized machine shipped to you?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To me, "perfection" means it exactly meets the defined requirements. The
problem is that different people and different situations will have
different requirements. Here are mine:

- intended for guitar players
- single-width floor stompbox (see Guyatone's Micro Effects series)
- powered by 9V battery or standard Boss adaptor
- 30 seconds looping time
- true bypass (ideally)
- minimal controls: single footswitch, volume control for the looped output,
one or two LEDs
- single loop only, no modulation, no overdubbing capability
- cheap: US$100 each (want multiple loops? buy two)
---------------------------
Does true bypass mean that anything you're playing, whether being recorded
or not, always goes directly to the output without any modulation?  If so, I
agree.  If not, please explain :-S I agree that there should be no
modulation; this is a LOOPER, not a reverb pedal or a phaser and no effects
would come with this.  The only modulation one would be able to do is with
the volume of individual tracks and of everything as a whole.  One thing I'm
not with you on is the single loop concept, with no overdubbing capability.
To me, the point of this is to be able to layer and construct soundscapes
and whole songs live in real-time with this one device, so the ability to
record several tracks is key.  While one can only have a finite number of
tracks, the ability to consolidate multiple tracks into one would allow the
user to in theory have infinite tracks, preserving freedom.
---------------------------
For me (admittedly I'm a beginner), there are a lot of products that do a
lot (e.g., the Boss RC-2), but the more they do, the more complicated the
interface gets, and the more cramped things get (e.g., the Boss RC-2). I
want something that's single-use, easy to operate, and cheap (again, see
Guyatone's Micro Effects series, or Danelectro's effects "food" line of
pedals).
---------------------------
I agree whole-heartedly with your minimalism; I think the success of Apple
and Google has proven that most people also dig intuitive and simple
products.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also, while there is a certain amount of "electrical engineering"
required here, in practice I think your bigger problems will be
software development and manufacturing economics.
---------------------------
You're right, the most difficult part will be software development.  As for
manufacturing economics, it's not as much of a limiting factor as it is a
check.  The more insane features I want it to have, the more it will cost.
But the more insane features it has, the more narrow its user demographic
becomes and the less flexibility it offers.  At this point, I can't estimate
the manufacturing cost.
---------------------------
I'll assume you're familiar with the devices out there now from the
Boss RC-2 on up to the Looperlative and Gibson Echoplex.  Do you have
a particular price point or market segment in mind?
[...]
You will probably get more specific advice if you can pick which range
of the market you would like to target.
---------------------------
Instead of starting with a market segment or a price range in mind, I am
starting with its functionality.  I am disregarding the issues of price and
difficulty of development while I solidify its concept and features.  Once I
have a prototype, I will begin researching development costs and then I will
start primming and tweaking based on these "reality checks", cost and
development.  In the end, I would say this would be mid-range, with its
price between $100 - $500.  I would like to offer many of the features that
existing machines do, selling it for much cheaper.  Though researching many
of the products out right now, much of the more superfluous features will be
excluded without question.  Like the Echoplex's Substitute feature....

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jeff hit the nail on the head here.  Honestly, I think the economics is the
largest issue.  It is easy to look at the market and say that electronics
are cheap, but the reality is that they are only cheap if you are willing
manufacture several thousand.  I have investigated options for manufacturing
the LP1 for less money, but without a huge amount of investment capital, it
can't be done.
---------------------------
In the beginning, I will buy parts in small quantities, being more expensive
but safer for a venture like this.  Can't buy parts assuming I'll sell
thousands immediately.  If I offer Virginia Tech a portion of sales, I may
be able to receive a grant for my investment capital, allowing myself to buy
parts in greater quantity and thus sell it more cheaply.

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Wow!&nbsp; Thank you all SO much for taking the time to respond and help me=
 out with this.&nbsp; I&#39;ve taken the time to address every one of you :=
)<br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------=
---------------<br>

<br>Modular. Different aspects of every function should be up in the<br>
&quot;preferences settings&quot; to activate or deactivate. You would come<=
br>
pretty close by taking the existing Mobius looper and integrating<br>
everyones favorite scripts into it (extended EDP paradigm).<br>
---------------------------<br><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I agr=
ee; since everyone is going to want to use this differently, I will be doin=
g my best to make it flexible by having preferences for a couple things: Wh=
en and how it begins recording, when and how it stops recording, whether or=
 not record takes will be beatmapped and cut to fit the tempo (won&#39;t wa=
nt loops to diverge unless you&#39;re doin a little Steve Reich experiment =
haha), etc.</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">

<br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"=
>I&#39;ve downloaded Mobius and am playing with it and exploring its featur=
es.&nbsp; It seems more complicated than I want.&nbsp; For instance, I don&=
#39;t think it&#39;s necessary for the looper to know what time signature y=
ou&#39;re playing in.&nbsp; I&#39;m having a hard time finding scripts for =
it on Google, I assume its that people write them and host them online for =
others?</span><br>

---------------------------<br>
For those who don&#39;t like to start out &quot;in the music&quot; there co=
uld be<br>
&quot;functionality presets&quot; in the preferences so they can start out =
&quot;in<br>
the looper&quot;.<br>---------------------------<br><span style=3D"color: r=
gb(0, 0, 153);">I&#39;m not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate=
?</span><br><br>-----------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------<br>

<br>Per forgot to mention that it should have MIDI, Firewire, USB2, and<br>
optical interfaces to work cross-platform with &quot;NIX, Mac, and PCs, and=
<br>
have 3 expression pedal inputs, too. <br>---------------------------<br><sp=
an style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I do like the idea of having it interfa=
ce with MIDI, Firewire, and USB.&nbsp; If this becomes expensive it might j=
ust have to be USB and MIDI.&nbsp; What would the advantage of having Firew=
ire capabilities along with USB be?&nbsp; I probably am not thinking of som=
ething, but I know that Macs and PC&#39;s both support USB and that Firewir=
e is faster than USB, but if that&#39;s the only advantage then I think USB=
 is fast enough.</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">

<br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"=
>As far as pedal inputs, I was thinking that people could run their instrum=
ents through a pedal and then run that into the input if they wanted to do =
so, and multiple inputs would allow people to run different pedals into dif=
ferent inputs, using them simultaneously.&nbsp; Is this the functionality y=
ou were getting at?&nbsp; I&#39;m not sure exactly what you mean by that.</=
span><br>

---------------------------<br>Oh, and 8 1/4&quot; stereo inputs and<br>
8 outs, plus cost less than $500 US ... oh, and list members get to<br>
beta test it first!<br>
<br>
*GRIN ...hey, we ARE dreaming here.<br>---------------------------<br><span=
 style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I like the idea of multiple inputs and co=
rresponding outputs for each track if one wishes, along with one 1/4&quot; =
output for the sum of all, if that&#39;s all one needs.&nbsp; It SHOULD cos=
t less than $500, I am not planning for it to be more than that.</span><br>

---------------------------<br>
P.S. Can you make it go to 11 1/2? 11 is so, I don&#39;t know ... so 90s.<b=
r>---------------------------<br><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Aga=
in, I&#39;m sorry for not being able to communicate fluently with you all y=
et, but what do you mean by this? 11 what?</span><br style=3D"color: rgb(0,=
 0, 153);">

<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------<br><br><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">The perfect looper, thoug=
h I really don&#39;t like that=20
term &quot;perfect&quot;, is one that would morph and evolve with me over t=
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features and removing others, vs. being a static set of features and=20
functionality.<br></font>---------------------------<br style=3D"color: rgb=
(0, 0, 153);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">What if when a new ver=
sion were released, you could mail yours to them, pay the difference, and g=
et the new version in return?&nbsp; Or would you like to be able to request=
 features to be added or removed from your model, and get a customized mach=
ine shipped to you?</span><br>

<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------<br><br>To me, &quot;perfection&quot; means it exactly meets the =
defined requirements.
The problem is that different people and different situations will have
different requirements. Here are mine:<br>
<br>
- intended for guitar players<br>
- single-width floor stompbox (see Guyatone&#39;s Micro Effects series)<br>
- powered by 9V battery or standard Boss adaptor<br>
- 30 seconds looping time<br>
- true bypass (ideally)<br>
- minimal controls: single footswitch, volume control for the looped output=
, one or two LEDs<br>
- single loop only, no modulation, no overdubbing capability<br>
- cheap: US$100 each (want multiple loops? buy two)<br>--------------------=
-------<br><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Does true bypass mean tha=
t anything you&#39;re playing, whether being recorded or not, always goes d=
irectly to the output without any modulation?&nbsp; If so, I agree.&nbsp; I=
f not, please explain :-S I agree that there should be no modulation; this =
is a LOOPER, not a reverb pedal or a phaser and no effects would come with =
this.&nbsp; The only modulation one would be able to do is with the volume =
of individual tracks and of everything as a whole.&nbsp; One thing I&#39;m =
not with you on is the single loop concept, with no overdubbing capability.=
&nbsp; To me, the point of this is to be able to layer and construct sounds=
capes and whole songs live in real-time with this one device, so the abilit=
y to record several tracks is key.&nbsp; While one can only have a finite n=
umber of tracks, the ability to consolidate multiple tracks into one would =
allow the user to in theory have infinite tracks, preserving freedom.  </sp=
an><br>

---------------------------<br>For me (admittedly I&#39;m a beginner), ther=
e are a lot of products that do
a lot (e.g., the Boss RC-2), but the more they do, the more complicated
the interface gets, and the more cramped things get (e.g., the Boss
RC-2). I want something that&#39;s single-use, easy to operate, and cheap
(again, see Guyatone&#39;s Micro Effects series, or Danelectro&#39;s effect=
s
&quot;food&quot; line of pedals).<br>---------------------------<br><span s=
tyle=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">I agree whole-heartedly with your minimalis=
m; I think the success of Apple and Google has proven that most people also=
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);">

<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------<br><br>
Also, while there is a certain amount of &quot;electrical engineering&quot;=
<br>
required here, in practice I think your bigger problems will be<br>
software development and manufacturing economics.<br>----------------------=
-----<br><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">You&#39;re right, the most =
difficult part will be software development.&nbsp; As for manufacturing eco=
nomics, it&#39;s not as much of a limiting factor as it is a check.&nbsp; T=
he more insane features I want it to have, the more it will cost.&nbsp; But=
 the more insane features it has, the more narrow its user demographic beco=
mes and the less flexibility it offers.&nbsp; At this point, I can&#39;t es=
timate the manufacturing cost.</span><br>

---------------------------<br>
I&#39;ll assume you&#39;re familiar with the devices out there now from the=
<br>
Boss RC-2 on up to the Looperlative and Gibson Echoplex. &nbsp;Do you have<=
br>
a particular price point or market segment in mind?<br>[...]<br>
You will probably get more specific advice if you can pick which range<br>
of the market you would like to target.<br>---------------------------<br><=
span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Instead of starting with a market seg=
ment or a price range in mind, I am starting with its functionality.&nbsp; =
I am disregarding the issues of price and difficulty of development while I=
 solidify its concept and features.&nbsp; Once I have a prototype, I will b=
egin researching development costs and then I will start primming and tweak=
ing based on these &quot;reality checks&quot;, cost and development.&nbsp; =
In the end, I would say this would be mid-range, with its price between $10=
0 - $500.&nbsp; I would like to offer many of the features that existing ma=
chines do, selling it for much cheaper.&nbsp; Though researching many of th=
e products out right now, much of the more superfluous features will be exc=
luded without question.&nbsp; Like the Echoplex&#39;s Substitute feature...=
.</span><br>

<br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------<br><br>Jeff hit the nail on the head here. &nbsp;Honestly, I thi=
nk the economics is
the largest issue. &nbsp;It is easy to look at the market and say that
electronics are cheap, but the reality is that they are only cheap if
you are willing manufacture several thousand. &nbsp;I have investigated
options for manufacturing the LP1 for less money, but without a huge
amount of investment capital, it can&#39;t be done.<br>--------------------=
-------<br style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0,=
 153);">In the beginning, I will buy parts in small quantities, being more =
expensive but safer for a venture like this.&nbsp; Can&#39;t buy parts assu=
ming I&#39;ll sell thousands immediately.&nbsp; If I offer Virginia Tech a =
portion of sales, I may be able to receive a grant for my investment capita=
l, allowing myself to buy parts in greater quantity and thus sell it more c=
heaply.</span><br>


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thanks fer yer help lady! - i think ive seen you with the ground control in=
 some you tube videos and figured you'ld be the only one to respond =3DD
=20
i got frusterated and called voodoolab=20
i thought i had the most current software ( 2.3) but apparently they have a=
 version (2.5) that requires a new chip to be installed
=20
2.3 has a redundant message filter which will eliminate the same midi messa=
ge if its sent back to back by 2 different buttons - so allthough i was abl=
e to use the same button to send a midi message twice (like tap tempo), whe=
n i used 2 different buttons to send the same message it ignored them until=
l you hit the same button twice
=20
im still waiting on a call back to confirm this, but im gonna keep my finge=
rs crossed and hope the tech is right- i love the groundcontrol - perfect s=
ize, lovely lcd - was hating the thought of settling for something else
=20
if only i could get it to send the erase loop command to my repeaters, i wo=
uld be a happy camper - ive never figured out how to send a CC # AND value =
on it, and im not sure if its even possible - my understanding is that you =
can only send on or off with the CC messages - not a particular value, but =
i may be off my rocker-
=20
good thing i can play piano with one hand =3DD
=20
thanks for your help
fro
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l midi footpedal?Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:41:36 -0700To: Loopers-Delight@l=
oopers-delight.comdo you think this might be your problem?=20

if you're running the latest version of the repeater software, a second pre=
ss of "record" (or PC message 4?) closes the loop but puts you into automat=
ic overdub. then the third press stops overdubbbing.=20


you can turn this feature off in the utility menu, and it will stay off unt=
il you turn it back on.

(to access the utility menu press and hold STOP and press COPY. turn the le=
ft knob to get to the menu item that says 'Rec-Odub')





On Jun 12, 2008, at 11:03 AM, J Johans wrote:
ive had it for awhile but just ran into a software flaw, - im hoping for a =
workaround or maybe a new product they 're running version 2.3 and heres my=
 problemo lets say button number 1 is set to midi message REC and button nu=
mber 2 is also set to midi message REC ...when i press button #1 - repeater=
 goes into Record...when i press button #2 - nothing happens - it doesnt re=
cognize the midi command....if i press button #2 again, it will recognize t=
he command and end the REC mode  so why the hell does it take 2 button pres=
ses to send the message? if the 2 buttons are 2 different midi messages, th=
ere are no problems....but when the same message is designated to 2 buttons=
, it takes 2 presses of the same button to send the midi message...freakin =
weirdif i never press the same button twice, i can go back and forth from h=
itting button #1 and button #2 and never have the repeater recognize the 2n=
d MIDI command this is also how my LP1 responds  dunno if theres a workarou=
nd - was just hoping someone else could verify this or reccomend a midi foo=
t controller that does not work like this muchas gracias fro

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thanks fer yer help lady! - i think ive&nbsp;seen you with the&nbsp;ground =
control&nbsp;in some you tube videos and figured you'ld be the only one to =
respond =3DD<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
i got frusterated and called voodoolab <BR>
i thought i had the most current software ( 2.3) but apparently they have a=
 version (2.5) that requires a new chip to be installed<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
2.3 has a redundant message filter which will eliminate the same midi messa=
ge if its sent back to back by 2 different buttons - so allthough i was abl=
e to use the same button to send a midi message twice (like tap tempo), whe=
n i used 2 different buttons to send the same message it ignored them until=
l you hit the same button twice<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
im still waiting on a call back to confirm this, but im gonna keep my finge=
rs crossed and hope the tech is right- i love the groundcontrol - perfect s=
ize, lovely lcd - was hating the thought of settling for something else<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
if only i could get it to send the erase loop command to my repeaters, i wo=
uld be a happy camper - ive never figured out how to send a CC # AND value =
on it, and im not sure if its even possible - my understanding is that you =
can only send on or off with the CC messages - not a particular value, but =
i may be off my rocker-<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
good thing i can play piano with one hand =3DD<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
thanks for your help<BR>
fro<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
p.s. before i read that article, i had never heard of acrade fire before - =
i spent the entire day with my jaw dropped as i watched all their videos - =
looks like an incredible family of musicians<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
peace, love and applesauce<BR><BR><BR>
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From: info@zoekeating.com<BR>Subject: Re: anyone use the original ground co=
ntrol midi footpedal?<BR>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:41:36 -0700<BR>To: Loope=
rs-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><BR>do you think this might be your probl=
em?=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>if you're running the latest version of the repeater software, a secon=
d press of "record" (or PC message 4?) closes the loop but puts you into au=
tomatic overdub. then the third press stops overdubbbing.=20
<DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>you can turn this feature off in the utility menu, and it will stay of=
f until you turn it back on.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>(to access the utility menu press and hold STOP and press COPY. turn t=
he left knob to get to the menu item that says 'Rec-Odub')</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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r a workaround or maybe a new product<BR>&nbsp;<BR>they 're running version=
 2.3 and heres my problemo<BR>&nbsp;<BR>lets say button number 1 is set to =
midi message REC<BR>&nbsp;<BR>and button number 2 is also set to midi messa=
ge REC<BR>&nbsp;<BR>...when i press button #1 - repeater goes into Record<B=
R>...when i press button #2 - nothing happens - it doesnt recognize the mid=
i command<BR>....if i press button #2 again, it will recognize the command =
and end the REC mode<BR>&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>so why the hell does it take 2 =
button presses to send the message? if the 2 buttons are 2 different midi m=
essages, there are no problems....but when the same message is designated t=
o 2 buttons, it takes 2 presses of the same button to send the midi message=
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ecognize the 2nd&nbsp;MIDI command<BR>&nbsp;<BR>this is also how my LP1 res=
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So true! I may do that next year, seriously.

************************
Sent from my iPhone
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On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, "Travis Hartnett"  
<travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.
> Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a performance and  
> tell them that it's very important that they not touch anything  
> while you're playing.
>
> TH
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:
> Hey Kris
> I love your idea of using the computer this way!  This is something  
> I've
> wondered about for many years, but never had the where-with-all to  
> actually
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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>So true! I may do that next year, seriously.&nbsp;<br><br>************************<div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div>Kris Hartung</div></div><div><br>On Jun 12, 2008, at 8:48 AM, "Travis Hartnett" &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>You can get a very similar effect if you have a small child.&nbsp; <br>Put them next to your rack/computer/pedals during a performance and tell them that it's very important that they not touch anything while you're playing.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Qua Veda &lt;<a href="mailto:qua@oregon.com"><a href="mailto:qua@oregon.com">qua@oregon.com</a></a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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I love your idea of using the computer this way! &nbsp;This is something I've<br>
wondered about for many years, but never had the where-with-all to actually<br>
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This comes up frequently - that operating a computer on stage is
undesirable. A musician who is apparently fully absorbed in the =
performance
(be it  classical guitar, sax, or computer) can still be coming from =
his/her
heart to share with audience.   Who is the judge of this? other =
musicians?
an audience that has come to hear a un-conventional performance? the
performer ?=20

Having said that,  I'm fascinated with the idea of a computer that can =
add
some serendipitous elements hands-free, and/or with sensors that can =
detect
input from the performer or audience.  It could be subtle, but it =
wouldn't
be 'static'.   Something that was modular so elements could be easily
adjusted between songs, but then let it fly during a performance =
hands-free.

Anyone have experience with this?
-Qua

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> > Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time =
with
> my=20
> > instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time =
fiddling=20
> > with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks=20
> > absolutely ridiculous in my opinion)

I'm glad somebody finally said this!!
If I ever move to a laptop (which I'm still resisting... ;-) it will
definetely be a setup where the damn thing will simply stay _closed_ =
once
and forever. Shure, tweaking some computer knobs might seem cool.
But really, isn't music (also) about making a connection with the =
audience?
Sitting completely self-absorbed and remote in front of a computer is =
not my
thing. At least it sucks my attention completely - I wouldn't wanna have
that.

Buzap
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--- On Thu, 6/12/08, nick ingvoldstad <nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> To me, "perfection" means it exactly meets the
> defined requirements. The
> problem is that different people and different situations
> will have
> different requirements. Here are mine:
> 
> - intended for guitar players
> - single-width floor stompbox (see Guyatone's Micro
> Effects series)
> - powered by 9V battery or standard Boss adaptor
> - 30 seconds looping time
> - true bypass (ideally)
> - minimal controls: single footswitch, volume control for
> the looped output,
> one or two LEDs
> - single loop only, no modulation, no overdubbing
> capability
> - cheap: US$100 each (want multiple loops? buy two)
> ---------------------------
> Does true bypass mean that anything you're playing,
> whether being recorded
> or not, always goes directly to the output without any
> modulation?  If so, I
> agree.  If not, please explain :-S

With most guitar pedals, even when they're disengaged, the signal still goes through some of the circuitry of the pedal. The problem with this is that it can rob you of tone, even when you're not using the pedel. A pedal with true bypass, though, has a footswitch that mechanically routes the signal through nothing but the wires of the switch when the pedal is disengaged. This kind of switch (a "4DPT", IIRC) is more expensive, though.

> I agree that there
> should be no
> modulation; this is a LOOPER, not a reverb pedal or a
> phaser and no effects
> would come with this.  The only modulation one would be
> able to do is with
> the volume of individual tracks and of everything as a
> whole.  One thing I'm
> not with you on is the single loop concept, with no
> overdubbing capability.
> To me, the point of this is to be able to layer and
> construct soundscapes
> and whole songs live in real-time with this one device, so
> the ability to
> record several tracks is key.  While one can only have a
> finite number of
> tracks, the ability to consolidate multiple tracks into one
> would allow the
> user to in theory have infinite tracks, preserving freedom.

What I want is something that's designed more to support a performing guitar player (playing songs solo, or as part of full band), which needs less in the way of supporting creation of soundscapes (which the rest of the band, and/or the player's playing and his pedals, will provide). Maybe this is more of a dumb "phrase recorder", recording phrases constructed with other pedals (delays, phasers, overdrive, etc.), rather than a looper that can let you manage layers of sound. Having only a single loop would also make the controls simpler and the unit smaller, I think.

> ---------------------------
> For me (admittedly I'm a beginner), there are a lot of
> products that do a
> lot (e.g., the Boss RC-2), but the more they do, the more
> complicated the
> interface gets, and the more cramped things get (e.g., the
> Boss RC-2). I
> want something that's single-use, easy to operate, and
> cheap (again, see
> Guyatone's Micro Effects series, or Danelectro's
> effects "food" line of
> pedals).
> ---------------------------
> I agree whole-heartedly with your minimalism; I think the
> success of Apple
> and Google has proven that most people also dig intuitive
> and simple
> products.

For examples of the kind of thing I want (simple, cheap, do-one-thing fairly well), see

http://www.guyatone.com/Microeffects.php

And thanks for responding!

Aloha,
Brad


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> I would like to offer many of the features that
> existing machines do, selling it for much cheaper.

I've got 24 years of experience in the electronics industry.  Recreating 
what's already out there for less only happens if you are a big corporation 
planning to do mass production or if you start from obsolete hardware that 
is being sold on the salvage market.  The latter is a possibility, but won't 
lead you to any long term production potential.  Although it will satisfy 
your own personal needs.

> Though researching many
> of the products out right now, much of the more superfluous features will 
> be
> excluded without question.  Like the Echoplex's Substitute feature....

What is superfluous to you isn't to others.  I can name several prominent 
musicians that rely on that feature.

My personal advice is to build what you want for yourself.  Attempting to 
satisfy everybody while staying under $500 is impossible.  If I could build 
a looper that meets my needs for that price, I would do it in an instant.

Bob Amstadt
Looperlative Audio Products 

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Many thanks for all your responses on the preset issue.
Looks like most people get 2-4 basic presets down and 
they're happy.  Makes sense to me as there are so many options!

I was gonna get FCB1010 for my guitar processor, looks like 
it'll help tame both at the same time.

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Many thanks for all your responses on the preset issue.<br>Looks like most people get 2-4 basic presets down and <br>they're happy.&nbsp; Makes sense to me as there are so many options!<br><br>I was gonna get FCB1010 for my guitar processor, looks like <br>it'll help tame both at the same time.<br><br>txagain,<br>Andy<br><br>www.myspace.com/nd01<div><br></div></div><br>

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Oh my! - 11.5? no-way! Isn't that a bit much?

Seriously tho' - or I guess since we're dreaming here, half-serious then,

I like computers -  a lot. But I don't want to perform w/ one.
It's a complication thing and a personal pref.
That being said I have to have more gear to get the job done.
Additionally, I think loopers are hard core FX addicts (guilty right here).
SO - I'd like a unit like the EDP but, 2x the rack space; the second half
being a nice beefy FX processor. 
HERES THE CATCH tho - it must have four major functions:
1) apply fx to only the inbound signal
2) apply fx to the entire master output
3) fx assignments to particular loops (ie...2&4.....or 3&4 or 1234...)
4)input and output at the same time.

Also - don't put anything close to those tiny buttons on the foot pedal.
Maybe control the FX via MIDI,  seems I need one of those anywho.

I know - you can do all this w/ a good mixing board (and I'm getting close)
but, I'm into micro - to have that stuff in one unit? I could do some smaller things
w/ just that and not have to carry around a big rack.

just my $0.03. Oh yeah - you can make mine go up to 10 - 
that's good enough for me.

 
Andy

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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Oh my! - 11.5? no-way! Isn't that a bit much?<br><br>Seriously tho' - or I guess since we're dreaming here, half-serious then,<br><br>I like computers -&nbsp; a lot. But I don't want to perform w/ one.<br>It's a complication thing and a personal pref.<br>That being said I have to have more gear to get the job done.<br>Additionally, I think loopers are hard core FX addicts (guilty right here).<br>SO - I'd like a unit like the EDP but, 2x the rack space; the second half<br>being a nice beefy FX processor. <br>HERES THE CATCH tho - it must have four major functions:<br>1) apply fx to only the inbound signal<br>2) apply fx to the entire master output<br>3) fx assignments to particular loops (ie...2&amp;4.....or 3&amp;4 or 1234...)<br>4)input and output at the same time.<br><br>Also - don't put
 anything close to those tiny buttons on the foot pedal.<br>Maybe control the FX via MIDI,&nbsp; seems I need one of those anywho.<br><br>I know - you can do all this w/ a good mixing board (and I'm getting close)<br>but, I'm into micro - to have that stuff in one unit? I could do some smaller things<br>w/ just that and not have to carry around a big rack.<br><br>just my $0.03. Oh yeah - you can make mine go up to 10 - <br>that's good enough for me.<br><div>&nbsp;<br>Andy<br></div><br>www.myspace.com/nd01<div><br></div></div><br>

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> I've downloaded Mobius and am playing with it and exploring its
> features.  It seems more complicated than I want.

Well, you asked for the Perfect Looper :-)  If you already have an idea
of what you want to build, then perhaps you could start by describing
that and we could offer opinions on what is missing or what isn't
necessary.

> For instance, I don't think it's necessary for the looper to know
> what time signature you're playing in.

Mobius does not require you to think about time signature.  Time
signature is however an important concept if you want to sync with
sequencers or drum machines and want to start and stop on "bars".

Honestly, I don't think this discussion is going to be very useful
until you set some boundaries.  There is no conceivable way you are
going to include all of the features that have been mentioned in a
$500 device, so if that's your goal then we can throttle back the
feature frenzy.

Jeff

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   Hello, -an evocative / provocative first posting!  :)

   I don't know that I've ever contributed to this sort of topic =20
before, but why not, right?=85  lol!

   Okay, for myself, for hardware loopers, I prefer the EDP and =20
Electrix Repeater.

   I suppose I'll just do a feature list here and explain when =20
necessary=85

=95 stereo input / output / looped signal
=95 true bypass
=95 good midi sync - I.E. The Repeater always worked well for me, =20
following a dynamically changing clock source

=95 ability to save loops on a memory card or similar tech
=95 ability to redefine loop length on the fly I.E.  sus unrounded =20
multiply in the EDP

=95 tap tempo to quantize / sync loop record / playback
=95 non-loop windowing undo I.E. Loop Windowing in the EDP began as a =20=

'bug' - I'd love the ability to undo a multiply as well as the looped =20=

material itself

=95 undo past reverse I.E.  in the EDP if one creates a loop, and then =20=

reverses it and adds further material, only the material after the =20
reverse has happened can be undone

=95 time stretching I.E.  As the Repeater does, I'd love the ability to =20=

have a loop dynamically change length  and pitch to match a changing =20
tempo, thereby preserving its original pitch as it morphs to the new =20
tempo

=95 midi pitch variance I.E.  again, as in the Repeater's ability to =20
preserve the loop's length while changing it's pitch via midi source

=95 sus functions I.E.  the ability to make functionality happen only =20=

while holding down a pedal or control surface as in the EDP

=95 multiple loops either in parallel or series I.E.  a combo of the EDP =
=20
and REpeater here - the ability to play more than one loop either at =20
once or one at a time in series

=95 synchronous or asynchronous play of parallel loops

   I think that's enough for now!  lol!  I'll probably think of more, =20=

and this really isn't including every specific 'basic' feature of the =20=

EDP or Repeater, as in replace or insert etc.

   Anyway, thanks for the note and have a great day / evening!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)

On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:28 PM, nick ingvoldstad wrote:

> Hey everyone :) this is my first post. Great community here!
>
> My name's Nick; I'm an electrical engineering student at Virginia =20
> Tech.  I am on a team of PhD students and ECE Professors designing a =20=

> music looper intended to be market-competitive.  What I would so =20
> greatly appreciate from ye loop enthusiasts are your honest and =20
> detailed testimonies!
>
> I read the "building our own looper" thread and would like to bump =20
> that idea.  So if this were the greatest dream you ever had, in =20
> which The Perfect Looper were to be coming in the mail this =20
> afternoon, and you DIDN'T wake up before getting to play with it... =20=

> what would playing with it be like?  Its features, its interface, =20
> its structure, everything.
>
> Since your experience is with existing products, you could describe =20=

> relative to existing devices like a Boss RC or a JamMan.  Which =20
> features are most conducive to a free creative experience with your =20=

> own personal style?  Which features have annoyances or limitations?
>
> What do you wish your device did?
>
> I hope that with this community as essentially representatives of =20
> loop lovers in general, we can make The Perfect Looper a reality.
>
> I promise its availability by Spring 2009.

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If you have your rig setup correctly, you never have to look at your =20
computer.
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

>
>>> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time =20=

>>> with
>> my
>>> instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time =20
>>> fiddling
>>> with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks
>>> absolutely ridiculous in my opinion)
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> I'm glad somebody finally said this!!
> If I ever move to a laptop (which I'm still resisting... ;-) it will =20=

> definetely be a setup where the damn thing will simply stay _closed_ =20=

> once and forever. Shure, tweaking some computer knobs might seem cool.
> But really, isn't music (also) about making a connection with the =20
> audience? Sitting completely self-absorbed and remote in front of a =20=

> computer is not my thing. At least it sucks my attention completely =20=

> - I wouldn't wanna have that.
>
> Buzap
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I'd be more inclined to use more if I had a MIDI controller that allowed me
to label each switch.  As it is, I have strips of gaffer tape with writing
next to each switch to remind me of what the function is.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:44 PM, andy garber <andrewgarber@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Many thanks for all your responses on the preset issue.
> Looks like most people get 2-4 basic presets down and
> they're happy.  Makes sense to me as there are so many options!
>
> I was gonna get FCB1010 for my guitar processor, looks like
> it'll help tame both at the same time.
>
> txagain,
> Andy
>
> www.myspace.com/nd01
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I&#39;d be more inclined to use more if I had a MIDI controller that allowed me to label each switch.&nbsp; As it is, I have strips of gaffer tape with writing next to each switch to remind me of what the function is.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:44 PM, andy garber &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewgarber@yahoo.com">andrewgarber@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Many thanks for all your responses on the preset issue.<br>Looks like most people get 2-4 basic presets down and <br>they&#39;re happy.&nbsp; Makes sense to me as there are so many options!<br>
<br>I was gonna get FCB1010 for my guitar processor, looks like <br>it&#39;ll help tame both at the same time.<br><br>txagain,<br>Andy<br><br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/nd01" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/nd01</a><div>
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nick ingvoldstad schrieb:
> What do you wish your device did?
> 
> I hope that with this community as essentially representatives of
> loop lovers in general, we can make The Perfect Looper a reality.

I got my perfect looper already, but I made it all by myself in Max/MSP.
Its even perfect according to Krispens morphing and evolving criteria
(as is his own looper...;-)

I am about to morph it now into a personal monster looper, but that's
far from perfect, because it won't be market-competitive... ;-)

> I promise its availability by Spring 2009.

Your strategy, to go to the loopers community and find out what the
potetial users need, is a good one, but I doubt you'll collect enough
knowledge to finish it in the given time as a perfect looper. I am not
into hardware loopers, but it seems the whole looperlative project is
coming closest to what you imagine already.

The most difficult part will be to create a perfect time strech quality 
wise. It seems people miss that from the now extinct Repeater...

I you plan to use one of the existing programmable DSP platforms, be 
aware that a perfect looper needs memory for several minutes of stereo 
sound material (I am quite happy with almost 10 minutes...;-)

Stefan

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Warren Sirota schrieb:
> Ha! That is *so* funny that you find logic more complex than max!  I
> think that makes you a pretty rare individual.

I remember the old logic versions, and I found it several magnitudes 
less intuitive with its environment than Max. That might create the 
illusion of comlexity, but its just more difficult to get the same 
result and some stuff is not possible at all...

If you want complex results, Max is the way to go... If you want an 
intuitive DAW, Pro`tools still is hard to beat (but the company sucks)
If you need a sequencer, I'd use Live, the announced collaboration with 
Cycling 74' will make it to an even more interesting companion to Max...

Stefan

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Per Boysen schrieb:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7446552.stm

This is so seventies, and the guy wants to sell it as "new technology", 
and the journalists also don't know its old and think its worth to note...
My brain to music interface works much better already, its my fingers 
which play an instrument, its available since milleniums...

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Krispen Hartung schrieb:
> Hey, maybe I can write a patch that shuts my system down if I play
> too many notes. :)

Have a look at the curtains external from Jeremy Bernstein. It will 
exactly do that... ;-)

Looking forward to what you'll come up with. All this stuff is what max 
is about...

If I'll ever make it to Boise, we can switch tools I process your sounds 
you process my sounds (which are your sounds processed...;-)

Stefan

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In my life outside looping, I earn my living as a clinical neurophysiologist.  For the last 29 years, I have been performing numerous neurophysiological examinations, including EEGs, on a daily basis.  This would be a total of at least 30,000 EEGs.  I have been running a busy department for the last 8 years, and like to think I have a fair amount of knowledge in the subject.

My heart sinks when I see articles such as this.  Be aware that the research in this article is funded by the 'Arts and Humantities Research Council'; I suspect that the researchers would have had little luck getting funding from a scientific institution.

The BBC aren't particularly great at presenting these type of popular science stories. They always leave me frustrated and yearning for more information and detail.  I haven't read the original research paper, so for this reason, I'd be inclined to give Dr. Grierson the benefit of the doubt.  However, there are so many flaws in the research presented here, it's difficult to know where to begin.

1.  A routine EEG recording requires 23 electrodes over the whole of the scalp, this giving adequate coverage of most of the important areas of brain function.

2.  This research appears to use just 2 electrodes.  The one placed over the pre-frontal cortex would probably be the 'reference electrode'.  The 'active' electrode appears to be placed in the Cz position, which is roughly over the foot/leg area for motor control.  The only conceivable way that using this electrode to control a pitched noted would possibly to imagine that you are using your foot to play a note on a floor pedal.  But the numbers were displayed too quickly on the screen for this to be viable.

3.  If the pre-frontal electrode were the active electrode, it is most likely that the eye movement artefact (ie electrical signals generated by the ocular movement - NOT from the mind - these are the 'blips' on the screen that Dr.G shows) would be generating the note.  This is just about feasible IF each note is displayed on exactly the same position on the screen each time, but still very unlikely for all sorts of technical reasons (eg, if eye fixation is maintained in one position, it would require a DC amplifier to be able to register this steady position - looking at the EEG trace, this is defintely an AC amplifier he's using.  There are several other reasons I can think of, but won't bore you with).  In any case, using eye movements to control a device is definitely not utilising 'the power of the mind'.

4.  If I remember correctly, the part of the brain for processing musical information is likely to be the temporal lobes, and it is probable that both temporal lobes are involved in this simultaneously. This demonstration has no electrodes anywhere the temporal lobes.  I should check the real paper to see where the electrodes were actually placed.

5. Any changes in brain activity in this type of task are very subtle, and would not be visible in an EEG recording.  It would require a separate technique known as 'signal averaging' to pick out these minute changes.  Unfortunately, this would take at least several minutes to register each note - therefore cannot be used in real times.

Like I said, it is possible that this was just a quick rigged set up to demonstrate the basic principles, and the research may well be valid.  If so, my sincere apologies to Dr. Grierson, and 'Grrrrr!' to the BBC.

Apologies for the rant.

I'm now getting off my high horse.

Stephen


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> From: Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>
> Subject: Re: OT: "Musicians may soon be able to play instruments using just the power of the mind"
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 7:40 AM
> Per Boysen schrieb:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7446552.stm
> 
> This is so seventies, and the guy wants to sell it as
> "new technology", 
> and the journalists also don't know its old and think
> its worth to note...
> My brain to music interface works much better already, its
> my fingers 
> which play an instrument, its available since milleniums...
> 
> Stefan
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Qua Veda schrieb:
> Anyone have experience with this?

waiting for the videos filmed at the Cologne and Berlin festivals, I had 
some nice reactions during and after the performances...
The core of improvisation for me, is to react. If I am alone, I have to 
react at least to the audience and the space I am in...
It just happens that my instrument is a collection of controllers 
connected to a computer...
I've seen enough musicians of any instrument be it electric or acoustic 
who are completely decoupled from the audience, and I doubt it's so much 
related to the instrument itself, maybe more related to the style of 
music they play and the philosophy or artistic drive they are connected 
to...

Stefan

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:07 AM, nick ingvoldstad
<nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------------------------
> For those who don't like to start out "in the music" there could be
> "functionality presets" in the preferences so they can start out "in
> the looper".
> ---------------------------
> I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Many people prefer to adapt their music to a fixed feature set of a
looping device, especially if new to looping (As opposed to an
experienced looper muso that thinks about "Reversed and HalfSpeed" etc
on the same level of creative thinking as he might think about "Adding
a tritonus note to this chord"). When you are a beginner you simply
don't yet have gained the intellectual tools for thinking creatively
about looping the same way you may think about plain "music". So, in
order to get going and start out in looping it may make sense to tic
the "Easy beginner's functionality setup" as your preferred
Functionality Preset. The opposite would of course be to set the
device to function with all possible functions active and then set up
a MIDI controller so you play it fluently on that level of
expressiveness.



>
> Per forgot

No, I did not forget. I simply decided not to mention it because the
original poster never stated if the plan is for creating a software
looper or have it built into a dedicated piece of hardware. If we're
talking software all that is already taken care of by the computer
used to run the looper.

>to mention that it should have MIDI, Firewire, USB2, and
> optical interfaces to work cross-platform with "NIX, Mac, and PCs, and
> have 3 expression pedal inputs, too.
> ---------------------------
> I do like the idea of having it interface with MIDI, Firewire, and USB.

Ok, this seems to indicate the plans are for a hardware integrated looper.

> If this becomes expensive it might just have to be USB and MIDI.  What would
> the advantage of having Firewire capabilities along with USB be?

If the interface is to be used for streaming audio, Firewire is a
better protocol for that purpose. Going with USB could be dangerous,
from a marketing point of view, since there are many really bad USB
audio interfaces out there. It's probable that people that buy such
lousy gear don't know that it's bad and from this follows they might
think it is your looper that is going havoc when they run into
problems.


> ---------------------------
> I like the idea of multiple inputs and corresponding outputs for each track
> if one wishes, along with one 1/4" output for the sum of all, if that's all
> one needs.  It SHOULD cost less than $500, I am not planning for it to be
> more than that.

Good mic preamps are rather expensive. How about offering only one mic
preamp, one guitar level, one line level and also an optical ADAT pipe
on the back? That would make it possible to digitally take out effect
loops from eight tracks and treat them in and Eventide or TC box, or
on a laptop (going digital means no latency, and the system becomes
limitless). It also means you can connect a laptop and record eight
looping tracks simultaneously as eight parallel audio file tracks to
be produced and mixed. I'm doing all that now with software looping
and I'm not sure I'd like to sacrifice such a good tool (ADAT jack)
just for going with one laptop less in the rig.



> ---------------------------
> Instead of starting with a market segment or a price range in mind, I am
> starting with its functionality.  I am disregarding the issues of price and
> difficulty of development while I solidify its concept and features.  Once I
> have a prototype, I will begin researching development costs and then I will
> start primming and tweaking based on these "reality checks", cost and
> development.  In the end, I would say this would be mid-range, with its
> price between $100 - $500.  I would like to offer many of the features that
> existing machines do, selling it for much cheaper.  Though researching many
> of the products out right now, much of the more superfluous features will be
> excluded without question.  Like the Echoplex's Substitute feature....


Woops... .I'm out than. Thanks for the peep! ;-)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Hiya

For the past 12 years, the EDP has become my second most important  
musical Instrument for its sheer endlessness of MUSICAL versatility  
and possibilities.

So presets came in handy a few years ago, although my tiny human  
brain never gets to store the exact contents of more than 3 or 4  
presets anyway.

I need to write them down on a piece of paper. For this purpose , I  
have created a table which you are welcome to download:

http://www.mem.li/doc/Equipment/Echoplex/EDP-Parameter-Table.pdf

or if you prefer to type it into a Word document:

http://www.mem.li/doc/Equipment/Echoplex/EDP-Parameter-Table.doc



EXAMPLE:


LGM_11 (availiable on CD for those who care)


Parameter settings:

http://www.mem.li/doc/Portfolio/Noten/LGM_11/EDP-Parameter.pdf

Score:

http://www.mem.li/doc/Portfolio/Noten/LGM_11/LGM_11.pdf

Information:

http://www.mem.li/music_e.html

mp3:

http://www.mem.li/mp3/organ.mp3

Cheers

Phil

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Wow,  Krispen.
It's sound like you have a great tool with endless possibilities !
It would be great - when you have time - to listen some mp3s.

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> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time with my 
> instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time fiddling 
> with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks 
> absolutely ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to have my cake 
> and eat it too. I just finished my revised max/msp looping/effects system. 
> I was very inspired by the Boise Experimental Music Festival, after 
> playing a set before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew Pask (of Cycling 74) the first 
> night, and a workshop that Jeff did on the many approaches to using the 
> computer for live performance.  Andrew is actually using a totally random 
> based max/msp system so he just plays his sax and let's the computer do 
> everything for him.
>
> Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of 
> random algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and functions 
> (everything from my scripts to basic functions like reverse halfspeed, 
> doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, etc), and all my 
> max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor as a VST), I now 
> turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No expression pedals. I 
> just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful 
> world of randomness take over. So liberating! I don't even need to have my 
> computer screen open.  It's like playing with another person whose job is 
> to process my sound (like what Evan Parker has done with others), because 
> I have no idea what sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are 
> going to occur. I'm really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I 
> wasn't satisfied with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found 
> and used some max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which 
> simulate Brownian movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating. 
> And of course, I can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that 
> while I'm playing, if I hear the computer do something really interesting 
> that I like with the looper or effects, I turn the random functions off, 
> and it will sort of freeze in the last state or frame of looping and 
> effect parameters.
>
> More later...gotta pack for vacation now.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
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So, Per, since Buzap and I are immersing ourselves in this, let me ask
one more question to help free you from being the one to always answer
one more question: have you found any particularly good resources for
Logic? Wikis, user groups, forums?

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>> Per, Apple ought to hire you to be a spokesperson. I'm ordering the
>> upgrade today.
>
> And I'm finally buying the new  Logic Studio!
>
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(and of course I meant Chris also and anyone else with good ideas)

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
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> Logic? Wikis, user groups, forums?
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and speaking of that "startup driver issue" - too bad MainStage isn't
as smart as Logic - whenever Logic sees a new interface has been
plugged in, it asks if you want to use it. Sweet.

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> So, Per, since Buzap and I are immersing ourselves in this, let me ask
> one more question to help free you from being the one to always answer
> one more question: have you found any particularly good resources for
> Logic? Wikis, user groups, forums?
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> Per, Apple ought to hire you to be a spokesperson. I'm ordering the
>>> upgrade today.
>>
>> And I'm finally buying the new  Logic Studio!
>>
>>
>> Buzap


There is a short PDF (and paper book) called "Logic Pro 8 Getting
Started". Eight chapters that you can read in one afternoon. That will
give you the basic background knowledge needed to make up your own
mind on how to use the software for any particular recording project.
But if you're already experienced in working with a mixer, patch-bay
and effect rack, then you may only need to pick certain parts of that
book, which makes it just a quick scan.

Make sure you don't get caught into "trying to learn logic". Remember
it's just a routing system for audio signals - and/or a graphic
composing notebook.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
> Logic? Wikis, user groups, forums?


Wops... I forgot the online recourses:

- http://logic-users.org/ (this is an awesome email list!)
- http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/ (forum moderated by some good guys)
- http://discussions.apple.com (Apple's forum board

-- 
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Hi List,

Yesterday I answered a letter by Zoe on bugs in MainStage and I told
about a bug that makes it impossible to use a patch with only a
virtual instrument while at the same time controlling a third-party
plug-in (a looper, maybe?) placed on a bus. This morning I looked into
this "bug" and found that this scenario works perfectly well. Sorry
about posting bad information, it might be that I had some conflicts
in RME drivers or OS X half a year ago, but as said - it's not a bug.

So the bottomline is that MainStage would do a good host for
SooperLooper even today. Put the looper on a bus. You create a bus bus
by holding down the mouse button over an effect send slot and chose
the bus, or example "bus 1". Then turn the knob to send 0 dB signal
level to the bus and open SooperLooper in the first slot of bus 1.
Next you go to Layout mode (click it top left), grab a Button and drop
it on the workspace area. Then click "Learn" and kick your pedal that
you want to use for "Record". Move from Layout Mode to Edit Mode
(click it top left), select the "Concert" (top header of Patch List to
the left), select the Button and then go down to the Parmameter
Mapping window to click Bus 1, SooperLooperAU and finally the
parmameter (here "Record"). Do the same with all other parmeters;
Overdub, Multiply etc.

A note:
Using the Button graphic control object forces us to work with
alternating switch functionality. This is bad but no show-stopper.
There is another graphic control object called Drum Pad and this one
has a momentary switch functionality. But unfortunately, in this first
version of MainStage, the Drum Pad can not be assigned to parameters
of plug-ins on a bus (hope the Apple dev guys will change this).

For continuous control (like Feedback, Input level, Output level etc)
you can use a Fader, Knob or Parameter Text object.

So in essence, if using a Behringer FCB1010 pedal for control, you
should be able to build something on the screen that looks quite close
to the FCB. Among the "Shelf Controls" you could use the Mod/Pitch
Wheel or the Foot Pedal.

awesome--->  MainStage reading tempo from SooperLooper:
At Concert level in Edit Mode you can (in the Concert Inspector)
activate the Tempo functionality "Get tempo from MIDI input". Then you
have to make two things in SooperLoooper in order to make it work.
First click the sync field until it reads "syn to Loop 1". Then open
SL Pref's and, under the MIDI Bindings tab, activate "Output MIDI
Clock".

This fix makes it possible to record your first loop freely in SL and
then have all MainStage's effects sync to that tempo. So if you swap
patch for one with a beat synced tremolo gate, delay or autofilter,
that new effect sound will sync to the loop's tempo. Also, if you want
to use UltraBeat for drums, all sequence patterns will run in sync to
your loop.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Stephen,

My comments: get BACK on your high horse, contact the Arts and
Humanities Research Council and get involved. They NEED to have the
scientific rigor that you say it is lacking. Artists and scholars of
the humanities have really only just begun to fully adopt digital
technologies. If you have expertise and a common interest it behooves
you to GET INVOLVED.

A fellow faculty member's husband has just become part of a
multi-million dollar Nation Science Foundation grant ... but he's a
philosopher. Why a philisopher? (aside from the obvious, "Why not?")
... because there was an "ethics" side to the application and he
happens to have the happy intersection of technology and philosophy as
his area of expertise.

Don't assume that the experts of another field have considered ALL the
possibilities; they call it RESEARCH for a reason.

My $.05 (I've raised my rates with the increase in fuel costs),

Dennis

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Stephen Scott <stevoj@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In my life outside looping, I earn my living as a clinical neurophysiologist.  For the last 29 years, I have been performing numerous neurophysiological examinations, including EEGs, on a daily basis.  This would be a total of at least 30,000 EEGs.  I have been running a busy department for the last 8 years, and like to think I have a fair amount of knowledge in the subject.
>
> My heart sinks when I see articles such as this.  Be aware that the research in this article is funded by the 'Arts and Humantities Research Council'; I suspect that the researchers would have had little luck getting funding from a scientific institution.
>
> The BBC aren't particularly great at presenting these type of popular science stories. They always leave me frustrated and yearning for more information and detail.  I haven't read the original research paper, so for this reason, I'd be inclined to give Dr. Grierson the benefit of the doubt.  However, there are so many flaws in the research presented here, it's difficult to know where to begin.
>
> 1.  A routine EEG recording requires 23 electrodes over the whole of the scalp, this giving adequate coverage of most of the important areas of brain function.
>
> 2.  This research appears to use just 2 electrodes.  The one placed over the pre-frontal cortex would probably be the 'reference electrode'.  The 'active' electrode appears to be placed in the Cz position, which is roughly over the foot/leg area for motor control.  The only conceivable way that using this electrode to control a pitched noted would possibly to imagine that you are using your foot to play a note on a floor pedal.  But the numbers were displayed too quickly on the screen for this to be viable.
>
> 3.  If the pre-frontal electrode were the active electrode, it is most likely that the eye movement artefact (ie electrical signals generated by the ocular movement - NOT from the mind - these are the 'blips' on the screen that Dr.G shows) would be generating the note.  This is just about feasible IF each note is displayed on exactly the same position on the screen each time, but still very unlikely for all sorts of technical reasons (eg, if eye fixation is maintained in one position, it would require a DC amplifier to be able to register this steady position - looking at the EEG trace, this is defintely an AC amplifier he's using.  There are several other reasons I can think of, but won't bore you with).  In any case, using eye movements to control a device is definitely not utilising 'the power of the mind'.
>
> 4.  If I remember correctly, the part of the brain for processing musical information is likely to be the temporal lobes, and it is probable that both temporal lobes are involved in this simultaneously. This demonstration has no electrodes anywhere the temporal lobes.  I should check the real paper to see where the electrodes were actually placed.
>
> 5. Any changes in brain activity in this type of task are very subtle, and would not be visible in an EEG recording.  It would require a separate technique known as 'signal averaging' to pick out these minute changes.  Unfortunately, this would take at least several minutes to register each note - therefore cannot be used in real times.
>
> Like I said, it is possible that this was just a quick rigged set up to demonstrate the basic principles, and the research may well be valid.  If so, my sincere apologies to Dr. Grierson, and 'Grrrrr!' to the BBC.
>
> Apologies for the rant.
>
> I'm now getting off my high horse.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> wrote:
>
>> From: Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>
>> Subject: Re: OT: "Musicians may soon be able to play instruments using just the power of the mind"
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 7:40 AM
>> Per Boysen schrieb:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7446552.stm
>>
>> This is so seventies, and the guy wants to sell it as
>> "new technology",
>> and the journalists also don't know its old and think
>> its worth to note...
>> My brain to music interface works much better already, its
>> my fingers
>> which play an instrument, its available since milleniums...
>>
>> Stefan
>>
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See interstitial comments

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:07 PM, nick ingvoldstad
<nickingvoldstad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow!  Thank you all SO much for taking the time to respond and help me out
> with this.  I've taken the time to address every one of you :)
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Modular. Different aspects of every function should be up in the
> "preferences settings" to activate or deactivate. You would come
> pretty close by taking the existing Mobius looper and integrating
> everyones favorite scripts into it (extended EDP paradigm).
> ---------------------------
> I agree; since everyone is going to want to use this differently, I will be
> doing my best to make it flexible by having preferences for a couple things:
> When and how it begins recording, when and how it stops recording, whether
> or not record takes will be beatmapped and cut to fit the tempo (won't want
> loops to diverge unless you're doin a little Steve Reich experiment haha),
> etc.
>
> I've downloaded Mobius and am playing with it and exploring its features.
> It seems more complicated than I want.  For instance, I don't think it's
> necessary for the looper to know what time signature you're playing in.  I'm
> having a hard time finding scripts for it on Google, I assume its that
> people write them and host them online for others?
> ---------------------------
> For those who don't like to start out "in the music" there could be
> "functionality presets" in the preferences so they can start out "in
> the looper".
> ---------------------------
> I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Per forgot to mention that it should have MIDI, Firewire, USB2, and
> optical interfaces to work cross-platform with "NIX, Mac, and PCs, and
> have 3 expression pedal inputs, too.
> ---------------------------
> I do like the idea of having it interface with MIDI, Firewire, and USB.  If
> this becomes expensive it might just have to be USB and MIDI.  What would
> the advantage of having Firewire capabilities along with USB be?  I probably
> am not thinking of something, but I know that Macs and PC's both support USB
> and that Firewire is faster than USB, but if that's the only advantage then
> I think USB is fast enough.

And Bill Gates told us that no one would need more than 640 KB of
memory ... USB 2.0 has issues, as others have indicated. My point,
however (partly havnig some fun with Per about the unusual brevity of
his first response) was to stress that flexibility in an interface is
a good thing, but NEVER underestimate the need for speed. You can
never have too much RAM, too fast a processor, or too much storage
space ... or too many loops.

Having multiple possibilities for interfacing with external hardware
gives tremendous power to the user.

> As far as pedal inputs, I was thinking that people could run their
> instruments through a pedal and then run that into the input if they wanted
> to do so, and multiple inputs would allow people to run different pedals
> into different inputs, using them simultaneously.  Is this the functionality
> you were getting at?  I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that.
> ---------------------------

Again, partly in jest and partly in recognition of desire to have
control over as many possible forms of expression as can be had.

> Oh, and 8 1/4" stereo inputs and
> 8 outs, plus cost less than $500 US ... oh, and list members get to
> beta test it first!
>
> *GRIN ...hey, we ARE dreaming here.
> ---------------------------
> I like the idea of multiple inputs and corresponding outputs for each track
> if one wishes, along with one 1/4" output for the sum of all, if that's all
> one needs.  It SHOULD cost less than $500, I am not planning for it to be
> more than that.
> ---------------------------

See above; more is good, lots more even better.

> P.S. Can you make it go to 11 1/2? 11 is so, I don't know ... so 90s.
> ---------------------------
> Again, I'm sorry for not being able to communicate fluently with you all
> yet, but what do you mean by this? 11 what?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An obviously dated cultural reference ... search Google for Nigel Tufnel:
    ...
    Marty DiBergi: Why don't you make ten a little louder, make that
the top number and make that a little louder?
    Nigel Tufnel: (pause to think it over) These go to eleven.
(http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/This_is_Spinal_Tap)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/These_go_to_eleven


>
> The perfect looper, though I really don't like that term "perfect", is one
> that would morph and evolve with me over time, adding new features and
> removing others, vs. being a static set of features and functionality.
> ---------------------------
> What if when a new version were released, you could mail yours to them, pay
> the difference, and get the new version in return?  Or would you like to be
> able to request features to be added or removed from your model, and get a
> customized machine shipped to you?
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To me, "perfection" means it exactly meets the defined requirements. The
> problem is that different people and different situations will have
> different requirements. Here are mine:
>
> - intended for guitar players
> - single-width floor stompbox (see Guyatone's Micro Effects series)
> - powered by 9V battery or standard Boss adaptor
> - 30 seconds looping time
> - true bypass (ideally)
> - minimal controls: single footswitch, volume control for the looped output,
> one or two LEDs
> - single loop only, no modulation, no overdubbing capability
> - cheap: US$100 each (want multiple loops? buy two)
> ---------------------------
> Does true bypass mean that anything you're playing, whether being recorded
> or not, always goes directly to the output without any modulation?  If so, I
> agree.  If not, please explain :-S I agree that there should be no
> modulation; this is a LOOPER, not a reverb pedal or a phaser and no effects
> would come with this.  The only modulation one would be able to do is with
> the volume of individual tracks and of everything as a whole.  One thing I'm
> not with you on is the single loop concept, with no overdubbing capability.
> To me, the point of this is to be able to layer and construct soundscapes
> and whole songs live in real-time with this one device, so the ability to
> record several tracks is key.  While one can only have a finite number of
> tracks, the ability to consolidate multiple tracks into one would allow the
> user to in theory have infinite tracks, preserving freedom.
> ---------------------------
> For me (admittedly I'm a beginner), there are a lot of products that do a
> lot (e.g., the Boss RC-2), but the more they do, the more complicated the
> interface gets, and the more cramped things get (e.g., the Boss RC-2). I
> want something that's single-use, easy to operate, and cheap (again, see
> Guyatone's Micro Effects series, or Danelectro's effects "food" line of
> pedals).
> ---------------------------
> I agree whole-heartedly with your minimalism; I think the success of Apple
> and Google has proven that most people also dig intuitive and simple
> products.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Also, while there is a certain amount of "electrical engineering"
> required here, in practice I think your bigger problems will be
> software development and manufacturing economics.
> ---------------------------
> You're right, the most difficult part will be software development.  As for
> manufacturing economics, it's not as much of a limiting factor as it is a
> check.  The more insane features I want it to have, the more it will cost.
> But the more insane features it has, the more narrow its user demographic
> becomes and the less flexibility it offers.  At this point, I can't estimate
> the manufacturing cost.
> ---------------------------
> I'll assume you're familiar with the devices out there now from the
> Boss RC-2 on up to the Looperlative and Gibson Echoplex.  Do you have
> a particular price point or market segment in mind?
> [...]
> You will probably get more specific advice if you can pick which range
> of the market you would like to target.
> ---------------------------
> Instead of starting with a market segment or a price range in mind, I am
> starting with its functionality.  I am disregarding the issues of price and
> difficulty of development while I solidify its concept and features.  Once I
> have a prototype, I will begin researching development costs and then I will
> start primming and tweaking based on these "reality checks", cost and
> development.  In the end, I would say this would be mid-range, with its
> price between $100 - $500.  I would like to offer many of the features that
> existing machines do, selling it for much cheaper.  Though researching many
> of the products out right now, much of the more superfluous features will be
> excluded without question.  Like the Echoplex's Substitute feature....
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be careful about declaring features of existing tools as being
"superfluous" (again, see above ... the hubris of hardware and
software designers).

> Jeff hit the nail on the head here.  Honestly, I think the economics is the
> largest issue.  It is easy to look at the market and say that electronics
> are cheap, but the reality is that they are only cheap if you are willing
> manufacture several thousand.  I have investigated options for manufacturing
> the LP1 for less money, but without a huge amount of investment capital, it
> can't be done.
> ---------------------------
> In the beginning, I will buy parts in small quantities, being more expensive
> but safer for a venture like this.  Can't buy parts assuming I'll sell
> thousands immediately.  If I offer Virginia Tech a portion of sales, I may
> be able to receive a grant for my investment capital, allowing myself to buy
> parts in greater quantity and thus sell it more cheaply.
>

That's all I have to add right now ...

Dennis

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Sound clips on the way!  Maybe next week...

************************
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On Jun 13, 2008, at 4:32 AM, "e t e r o g e n e o"  
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> Wow,  Krispen.
> It's sound like you have a great tool with endless possibilities !
> It would be great - when you have time - to listen some mp3s.
>
> fabio
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boise Experimental Music  
> Festival" <khartung@cableone.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 7:16 AM
> Subject: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig
>
>
>> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time  
>> with my instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less  
>> time fiddling with and staring at the damn computer while playing  
>> (which looks absolutely ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out  
>> how to have my cake and eat it too. I just finished my revised max/ 
>> msp looping/effects system. I was very inspired by the Boise  
>> Experimental Music Festival, after playing a set before Jeff Kaiser  
>> and Andrew Pask (of Cycling 74) the first night, and a workshop  
>> that Jeff did on the many approaches to using the computer for live  
>> performance.  Andrew is actually using a totally random based max/ 
>> msp system so he just plays his sax and let's the computer do  
>> everything for him.
>>
>> Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series  
>> of random algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and  
>> functions (everything from my scripts to basic functions like  
>> reverse halfspeed, doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random  
>> pan, etc), and all my max/msp effect patches and parameters  
>> (including Reaktor as a VST), I now turn my computer on and play.  
>> No MIDI footpedals. No expression pedals. I just plug into my  
>> Fireface 400, activate my system, and let the wonderful world of  
>> randomness take over. So liberating! I don't even need to have my  
>> computer screen open.  It's like playing with another person whose  
>> job is to process my sound (like what Evan Parker has done with  
>> others), because I have no idea what sort of looping, effects, or  
>> parameters changes are going to occur. I'm really liking this.  The  
>> interesting thing is that I wasn't satisfied with the standard  
>> random object in max/msp, so I found and used some max/msp  
>> abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which simulate Brownian  
>> movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating. And of  
>> course, I can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that  
>> while I'm playing, if I hear the computer do something really  
>> interesting that I like with the looper or effects, I turn the  
>> random functions off, and it will sort of freeze in the last state  
>> or frame of looping and effect parameters.
>>
>> More later...gotta pack for vacation now.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> Have a look at the curtains external from Jeremy Bernstein. It will  
> exactly do that... ;-)

Will do. Thanks!
>
>
> Looking forward to what you'll come up with. All this stuff is what  
> max is about...
>
> If I'll ever make it to Boise, we can switch tools I process your  
> sounds you process my sounds (which are your sounds processed...;-)
>
> Stefan
>
Let's figure out how to get you to Boise. I would love this type of  
performance

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This will likely be no help as my perfect looper will never be made, or 
remotely desirable to most, but it's fun to play along.

I'd want a 1/4" tape loop housed in an easily switchable, user-loadable 
cartridge (allowing different loop lengths), four tracks controllable 
via faders on the unit, four play heads, reverse play, four tape speeds, 
an output for each track post and pre play head, an internal patching 
matrix so that any track could be routed to any other, two effect sends, 
and panning. Track select, punch-in, reverse and tape speed controllable 
via remote pedal.

Oh, and each track should have a tube input amplifier. :-D

Cost is no object for this pipe dream.

consider my order placed,

Daryl Shawn
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I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
always kind of buggy... I'd get this kind of static noise while playing. But
it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping
that would fix the problem but now it's worse. It's inconsistently buggy and
it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?


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<br>I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It&#39;s an Oberhiem version. It was always kind of buggy... I&#39;d get this kind of static noise while playing. But it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping that would fix the problem but now it&#39;s worse. It&#39;s inconsistently buggy and it&#39;s bad enough that I don&#39;t want to use it live.&nbsp;<div>
<br></div><div>Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>mcloopie</div>

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I love this place.

The OP acknowledged that he has the desire but not the knowledge to 
build a looping device and asks the group to contribute ideas, 
suggestions and advice. 

The group, as always, steps up and gently introduces basic concepts, the 
history of similar projects, and a crash course in economics for the 
naive.  Two or more people with firsthand looper development and 
engineering experience offer perspective.  Several references to similar 
threads in the LD searchable archives which have largely covered this 
same ground are posted - again, without any of the attitude which often 
accompanies this information in other internet forums.

I can only say that this group is really remarkable, and I'm proud to 
participate, even if it's only cheerleading and occasionally making some 
recommendations myself. 

With respect,
Dan Ash
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Is the static possibly related to grounding issues from the footswitch?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Jebus McLoopie <mcloopie@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
> always kind of buggy... I'd get this kind of static noise while playing. But
> it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
> noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping
> that would fix the problem but now it's worse. It's inconsistently buggy and
> it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
> Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?
>
>
> mcloopie
>

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Is the static possibly related to grounding issues from the footswitch?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Jebus McLoopie &lt;<a href="mailto:mcloopie@gmail.com">mcloopie@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It&#39;s an Oberhiem version. It was always kind of buggy... I&#39;d get this kind of static noise while playing. But it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping that would fix the problem but now it&#39;s worse. It&#39;s inconsistently buggy and it&#39;s bad enough that I don&#39;t want to use it live.&nbsp;<div>

<br></div><div>Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>mcloopie</div>
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>>I can only say that this group is really remarkable, and I'm proud to
participate, even if it's only cheerleading and occasionally making some
recommendations myself.<<

I agree.... well, there was m*ko, way back when..... but generally this
is a pretty well-behaved bunch.=20

another list I lurk on is about high-end tape recorders, & /only/
certain models by /one/ manufacturer, the ones used in major recording
studios & not their low-end broadcast decks, never mind their "domestic"
or "semi-pro" off-shoots, & cursed be the poster who mentions "rival"
machinery in a favourable light, & if you happen to have less than one
hundred years invested in servicing these things then you are treated
with more contempt than a teenage learner-driver straying into the path
of a semi..... actually, it's become entertaining to bait the
high-priest with casual noobisms....

maybe it's because we are musicians.=20
some of the folks on another list that was concerned with the upkeep of
a certain tape-replay keyboard said they were musicians/cool people, but
they acted crazy too.
=20
there were several range-wars. I left after the fourth or fifth one
because I was getting called to take sides.

I've never felt inclined to leave LD, even when the s/n ratio is worse
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well, /it looked to me/ (was I high??) as though you get all four of the
XX4 series modellers in one pedal, & you can have multiple instances of
them up to & including four of the same thing if you're daft enough, &
in any order. & the little LCD displays are colour-coded by backlight so
you know which XX4 is where in y'r chain. + a biggish simple looper & a
reverb.=20

did I read the price wrong or is this a bargain? besides this, I think I
saw stereo fx loop on the back so's you can attach a "proper" stereo
looper like a repeater somewhere in the fx chain. if I see one in 8th
street in philly next week, I shall bite their arm off to get it.

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There's a few people on the list that have schematics, you'd be better  
to get the schematics and take it to someone who is good with  
electronics. I got mine fixed a few years ago by one of the electronic  
technicians at the hospital where I work.

Paul




Quoting Jebus McLoopie <mcloopie@gmail.com>:

> I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
> always kind of buggy... I'd get this kind of static noise while playing. But
> it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
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> that would fix the problem but now it's worse. It's inconsistently buggy and
> it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
> Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?
>
>
> mcloopie
>


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Samba

Supremely cool.  A studio's dream come true!

And how bout those crystals?  Very odd critters on so many fronts.

Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool.

Lettuce know when the sounds are online

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
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Samba


Supremely cool.  A studio's dream come true!


And how bout those crystals?  Very odd critters on so many fronts.=20


Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool. =20


Lettuce know when the sounds are online


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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>
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> Samba
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> Supremely cool.  A studio's dream come true!
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> And how bout those crystals?  Very odd critters on so many fronts.
>
> Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool.
>
> Lettuce know when the sounds are online
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> www.glassWing.com     www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com     www.joannesales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> www.broombusters.org
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how do I unsubscibe from this?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Ju=
n 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Richard Sales &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richard@glasswin=
g.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
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Samba<br>
<br>
Supremely cool. &nbsp;A studio&#39;s dream come true!<br>
<br>
And how bout those crystals? &nbsp;Very odd critters on so many fronts.<br>
<br>
Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool.<br>
<br>
Lettuce know when the sounds are online<br>
<br>
richard sales<br>
glassWing farm and studio<br>
vancouver island, b.c.<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.glassWing.com" target=3D"_blank">www.glassWing.com</a=
> &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.richardsales.com" target=3D"_blank">w=
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<a href=3D"http://www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com" target=3D"_blank">www.bluebe=
rryfieldsfarm.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.broombusters.org" target=3D"_blank">www.broombusters.=
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The L/D list is inhabited by remarkable people who share their ideas.

I lurk more than I post however a number of posts have sent me to my =20
studio to try new things.  For example, someone mentioned the use of =20
"freeze reverb" -- and I discovered that I can make very nice pads by =20
sustaining selected notes with infinite reverb.

There are many other ideas that people have discussed here that I've =20
been able to turn into new techniques for my own work.

I am grateful to the Looping community for knowledge, inspiration, and =20
support.

Many thanks to one and all!

-- Kevin

Quoting "Goddard, Duncan" <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com>:

>>> I can only say that this group is really remarkable, and I'm proud to
> participate, even if it's only cheerleading and occasionally making some
> recommendations myself.<<
>
> I agree.... well, there was m*ko, way back when..... but generally this
> is a pretty well-behaved bunch.
>
> another list I lurk on is about high-end tape recorders, & /only/
> certain models by /one/ manufacturer, the ones used in major recording
> studios & not their low-end broadcast decks, never mind their "domestic"
> or "semi-pro" off-shoots, & cursed be the poster who mentions "rival"
> machinery in a favourable light, & if you happen to have less than one
> hundred years invested in servicing these things then you are treated
> with more contempt than a teenage learner-driver straying into the path
> of a semi..... actually, it's become entertaining to bait the
> high-priest with casual noobisms....
>
> maybe it's because we are musicians.
> some of the folks on another list that was concerned with the upkeep of
> a certain tape-replay keyboard said they were musicians/cool people, but
> they acted crazy too.
>
> there were several range-wars. I left after the fourth or fifth one
> because I was getting called to take sides.
>
> I've never felt inclined to leave LD, even when the s/n ratio is worse
> than six cascaded big muffs.....
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> duncan.
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Admittedly, I usually say now that I play my instrument "with electronics"
or "with pedals". I prefer the term "real-time sampling" more than looping
for my own stuff.

I think it requires less explanation. My experience is that most of the
people who know what "looping"is are themselves loopers. I've only met a few
non-loopers who know what it is.

Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, "live looping" also evokes a particular genre
of music, which I don't think represents what I sound like. (In the way that
not every band who jams would identify as 'a jam band'.)

I disagree that the "Real-time sampling" is redundant.  It specifies that
the sampled sounds are both being generated and recorded onstage, and
playing them back in the same session. (Although it doesn't specify that the
person making the sounds is the person sampling them.) Non-real-time
sampling would involve loading the samples into your gear before your set
begins.

Matt Davignon

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>  If I understand your question,
>
> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real Time' is
> redundant, at least in case of sampling
> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real Time
> Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the
> information of  what do you do with those samples.
> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>
> Cheers,
> Michal
>
>
> Matt Stevens wrote:
>
> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping(apart
> from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?
>  Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an email a few
> days ago!
>
>
>  Any thoughts?
>
>
>   Matt Stevens
> www.mattstevensguitar.com
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Admittedly, I usually say now that I play my instrument &quot;with electronics&quot; or &quot;with pedals&quot;. I prefer the term &quot;real-time sampling&quot; more than looping for my own stuff. <br><br>I think it requires less explanation. My experience is that most of the people who know what &quot;looping&quot;is are themselves loopers. I&#39;ve only met a few non-loopers who know what it is. <br>
<br>Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, &quot;live looping&quot; also evokes a particular genre of music, which I don&#39;t think represents what I sound like. (In the way that not every band who jams would identify as &#39;a jam band&#39;.)<br>
<br>I disagree that the &quot;Real-time sampling&quot; is redundant.&nbsp; It specifies that the sampled sounds are both being generated and recorded onstage, and playing them back in the same session. (Although it doesn&#39;t specify that the person making the sounds is the person sampling them.) Non-real-time sampling would involve loading the samples into your gear before your set begins. <br>
<br>Matt Davignon<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Micha? Wiernowolski &lt;<a href="mailto:mihalw@gmail.com">mihalw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">



  
  

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If I understand your question,<br>
<br>
&#39;Real Time Sampling&#39; seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term &#39;Real Time&#39;
is redundant, at least in case of sampling<br>
sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite &#39;Non Real
Time Sampling&#39;, which is an oxymoron.<br>
Now, &#39;Live sampling&#39; would be a bit better, but it doesn&#39;t give the
information of&nbsp; what do you do with those samples.<br>
You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Michal<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to
Live Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy
butler)?
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  <div>Just wondered? &nbsp;Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an
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  <div>Any thoughts?</div>
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At 10:22 AM -0700 6/12/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>Didn't the (discontinued) EchoPro offer 28/56 seconds of looping time?

60 seconds, IIRC, although I don't remember if that's normal or 
starting in half-speed.  I've never bumped up against the recording 
limit, but I don't tend to record two or five minute long loops, 
either.

>But while you could MIDI sync the delays, you couldn't the looper?

You got it.  Delays will sync to MIDI clock, but the looper still 
won't.  Although it will respond to MIDI commands, so you can use 
whatever MIDI controller you'd like as a front end.

Primary (and only really big) disappointment for me was that the 
looper still wasn't stereo compatible.  You could use the 800ms 
stereo delay that accompanies the looper to fake some stuff, but that 
wasn't a real solution.  It finally necessitated me to buy two and 
run them in a "dual mono" configuration.  Luckily, I did this right 
when they were being blown out, so I didn't get gigged with the 
prices they've risen to since then.

I can't believe it appears they *still* haven't corrected the stereo 
thing in the new unit though...  :P

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It's purty!

richard sales
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On 24-May-08, at 11:13 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival wrote:

> Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the guitar=20=

> to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise=20
> Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and=20
> description:
> =A0
> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
> =A0
> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
> =A0
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> of Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth=20
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> extinct roughly 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar=20=

> is an actual artifact! I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the=20=

> size of the guitar, and its "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby,=20=

> I named the guitar the "The Little Mammoth.""
> =A0
> Kris
> =A0
> =A0
> Krispen Hartung
> Boise Experimental Music Festival
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this guitar special....</smaller></fontfamily>

=A0

<italic><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param><smaller>"The story behind
this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of Bobby's from
Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk, which you
can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct roughly
10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual
artifact! I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the
guitar, and its "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the
guitar the "The Little Mammoth.""</smaller></fontfamily></italic>

=A0

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Kris</smaller></fontfamily>

=A0

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My EDP has run well since about 2003, using the FC7 as sole controlling
device.  I have it set for one loop only to keep the maximum memory
available for overdubs and undo, which has been very beneficial.  I've
always just hit the button until all the desired passes were gone, or until
the light goes out to indicate undo is no longer possible.

Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in quick
order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit the
record button, starting a new loop from scratch.  Since I haven't changed
the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?

Thanks.

dave 
 
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get a couple amps! One (or more) for looped part(s) one for solos. =20
That way you don't overload the PA.

Just a thought.  But this is what I'm working towards with looping.  It=20=

works well now with the RC50 but I have no idea how it will be if and=20
when I upgrade to a better setup.  I'm now pretty much convinced I'm=20
gonna have to take the plunge into Powerbook land... but I don't wanna.=20=

  After 25 years of using music software, I've developed a healthy fear=20=

of new programs.

I haven't used the Vox Tonelab.  Haven't tried many modelers since they=20=

first came out.  I wasn't wild about them then.   Luddite.

I love the sound of a good amp.  So much character and bhava.  A hot=20
tube is a sensuous thing!  And a whole host of them is an orgy.

I'm sure someone's already said this, but why not mic the amp(s)?  IS=20
that a routing issue with EDP?

But I've enjoyed listening to lots of stuff in this group that's done=20
with modelers etc.  So it can be done!  But to me, a good amp makes it=20=

so easy.

richard sales
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On 24-May-08, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote:

> I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru=20=

> my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.=A0 Since I loop (EDP) I=20=

> don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording=20=

> phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase.=A0
>
> Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice=20=

> tube amp?=A0 do I need a tube preamp?=A0 My tube screamer sounds great=20=

> into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.=A0 Is there a=20=

> PA screamer?
>
> Best,
> Adam
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get a couple amps! One (or more) for looped part(s) one for solos.=20
That way you don't overload the PA.


Just a thought.  But this is what I'm working towards with looping.=20
It works well now with the RC50 but I have no idea how it will be if
and when I upgrade to a better setup.  I'm now pretty much convinced
I'm gonna have to take the plunge into Powerbook land... but I don't
wanna.  After 25 years of using music software, I've developed a
healthy fear of new programs. =20


I haven't used the Vox Tonelab.  Haven't tried many modelers since
they first came out.  I wasn't wild about them then.   Luddite.


I love the sound of a good amp.  So much character and bhava.  A hot
tube is a sensuous thing!  And a whole host of them is an orgy. =20


I'm sure someone's already said this, but why not mic the amp(s)?  IS
that a routing issue with EDP? =20


But I've enjoyed listening to lots of stuff in this group that's done
with modelers etc.  So it can be done!  But to me, a good amp makes it
so easy.


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On 24-May-08, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>New York</param><bigger><bigger>I am
looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA
(bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.=A0 Since I loop (EDP) I don't
want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase
and then only out of the PA in the looping phase.=A0 =
</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>New York</param><bigger><bigger>Any ideas on how I
can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp?=A0 do I
need a tube preamp?=A0 My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp,
but sounds really ratty through the PA.=A0 Is there a PA =
screamer?</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>New =
York</param><bigger><bigger>Best,</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>New =
York</param><bigger><bigger>Adam</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>


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Yeah, I've been a bit naive.

Trying to sound all crazy daisy with my grand master plans.

I'm a Junior and I'm trying to do this as a project, but ideally take it to
the point of manufacturing and selling.  In order to do this, I'm going to
have to slave over something like C++ or .NET for months .... I have thought
upon posting the thread of its tone, especially in its opening invitation
"Let's play a game- ".  The promise of its availability by Spring 2009 is a
gross underestimation.  When I posted this originally, I hadn't even
considered the fact that I need a manufacturer.  So basically, before
anything else I'd like to apologize.  I so appreciate everyone's help,
advice, perspective, and kindness.

Nick Ingvoldstad

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@verizon.net> wrote:

> I love this place.
>
> The OP acknowledged that he has the desire but not the knowledge to build a
> looping device and asks the group to contribute ideas, suggestions and
> advice.
> The group, as always, steps up and gently introduces basic concepts, the
> history of similar projects, and a crash course in economics for the naive.
>  Two or more people with firsthand looper development and engineering
> experience offer perspective.  Several references to similar threads in the
> LD searchable archives which have largely covered this same ground are
> posted - again, without any of the attitude which often accompanies this
> information in other internet forums.
>
> I can only say that this group is really remarkable, and I'm proud to
> participate, even if it's only cheerleading and occasionally making some
> recommendations myself.
> With respect,
> Dan Ash
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Yeah, I&#39;ve been a bit naive.<br><br>Trying to sound all crazy daisy with my grand master plans.<br><br>I&#39;m a Junior and I&#39;m trying to do this as a project, but ideally take it to the point of manufacturing and selling.&nbsp; In order to do this, I&#39;m going to have to slave over something like C++ or .NET for months .... I have thought upon posting the thread of its tone, especially in its opening invitation &quot;Let&#39;s play a game- &quot;.&nbsp; The promise of its availability by Spring 2009 is a gross underestimation.&nbsp; When I posted this originally, I hadn&#39;t even considered the fact that I need a manufacturer.&nbsp; So basically, before anything else I&#39;d like to apologize.&nbsp; I so appreciate everyone&#39;s help, advice, perspective, and kindness.&nbsp; <br>
<br>Nick Ingvoldstad<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Dan Ash &lt;<a href="mailto:Daniel.Ash@verizon.net">Daniel.Ash@verizon.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I love this place.<br>
<br>
The OP acknowledged that he has the desire but not the knowledge to build a looping device and asks the group to contribute ideas, suggestions and advice. <br>
The group, as always, steps up and gently introduces basic concepts, the history of similar projects, and a crash course in economics for the naive. &nbsp;Two or more people with firsthand looper development and engineering experience offer perspective. &nbsp;Several references to similar threads in the LD searchable archives which have largely covered this same ground are posted - again, without any of the attitude which often accompanies this information in other internet forums.<br>

<br>
I can only say that this group is really remarkable, and I&#39;m proud to participate, even if it&#39;s only cheerleading and occasionally making some recommendations myself. <br>
With respect,<br><font color="#888888">
Dan Ash<br>
White Plains, NY<br>
<br>
<br>
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Dave Gallaher wrote:
> My EDP has run well since about 2003, using the FC7 as sole controlling
> device.  I have it set for one loop only to keep the maximum memory
> available for overdubs and undo, which has been very beneficial.  I've
> always just hit the button until all the desired passes were gone, or until
> the light goes out to indicate undo is no longer possible.
> 
> Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in quick
> order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit the
> record button, starting a new loop from scratch.  Since I haven't changed
> the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?

yep, most likely it's the FC7.

If the switches get dirty they can send incorrect values.
You can try cleaning, or just replace the switch.

andy butler

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> dave 
>  
> micdave@hiwaay.net 
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Richard Sales wrote:

> I love the sound of a good amp. So much character and bhava. A hot tube 
> is a sensuous thing! And a whole host of them is an orgy.
> 
> I'm sure someone's already said this, but why not mic the amp(s)? IS 
> that a routing issue with EDP?

Absolutely no reason you couldn't do that.

..but you're right, most don't bother

Reason you might not want to bother is that the mic'ed up amp
is then going to be modified in sound by the pa.

If you're playing a "big gig" or a small club with their own pa then
generally the pa sound isn't going to be good enough to tell the difference
between your wonderful valves and a  modeller.


If you've got your own high quality pa, then the only downside is the large
amount of gear you now have to transport and set up.

> 
> But I've enjoyed listening to lots of stuff in this group that's done 
> with modelers etc. So it can be done! But to me, a good amp makes it so 
> easy.
> 

So stick with it then :-)

andy butler

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> On 24-May-08, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote:
>
>> I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my
>> PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I loop (EDP) I don't want
>> my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then
>> only out of the PA in the looping phase.


So, what you're saying is that you want to play "silent guitar" to be
heard not until the recorded loop/overdub reaches the EDP output/PA?
Well, that's odd. Play THROUGH the EDP and set the balance knob all
right for only the wet loop signal.

>> Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice
>> tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?

Yes of course! You can pick up on of those first model PODs very
cheaply now. They are perfect for this job. But they bring a little
latency to the sound, equal to if you should stand four or five meters
from your guitar amp/speaker. The Vox Tonelab is known for being one
of the best simulators (meaning it sounds close to the real thing).
You could also try out odd things like old tape recorders or radio
units that can be found on flee markets for almost nothing. Maybe
running your Tube Screamer through such a device will give a great
sound? Just try out stuff and find something you like!

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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I'll put a plug in for the Tonelab.  I've used one* in my solo loop rig
(through an EDP and Bose L1) for about five years, and it has served me
well.  I have a variety of programs I've created for it, from fairly classic
Fender Bassman, Twin and Deluxe timbres to driven Marshalls and Voxes.
There's little chance that they'd fake out a trained ear, but compared to
having another open mic onstage and a heavy amp/cab to lug around, this is a
nice arrangement.  The Tonelab has one 12AX7 in it, which makes it a lot
warmer than the Pod products (I also have a Pod XT Live I use as a
pedalboard with the band).  Since my music begins in blues and wanders into
jam and ambience, the ability to cop, say, an Elmore James tone from his
early 1960s Fire recordings is nice-just put it on the Twin Reverb patch,
switch in the built-in overdrive pedal  and add a bit too much spring
reverb-and there it is.  Of course, it helps to play a $40 early 60s
Prestige two-pickup Japanese import, too.

 

*I have the small blue-box Tonelab, not the pedal version.  The only
drawback to it is playing outdoors; the red LEDs get swallowed up by
sunlight or ultra bright stage lights.

 

dave 

micdave@hiwaay.net 


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get a couple amps! One (or more) for looped part(s) one for solos. That way
you don't overload the PA.

Just a thought. But this is what I'm working towards with looping. It works
well now with the RC50 but I have no idea how it will be if and when I
upgrade to a better setup. I'm now pretty much convinced I'm gonna have to
take the plunge into Powerbook land... but I don't wanna. After 25 years of
using music software, I've developed a healthy fear of new programs. 

I haven't used the Vox Tonelab. Haven't tried many modelers since they first
came out. I wasn't wild about them then. Luddite.

I love the sound of a good amp. So much character and bhava. A hot tube is a
sensuous thing! And a whole host of them is an orgy. 

I'm sure someone's already said this, but why not mic the amp(s)? IS that a
routing issue with EDP? 

But I've enjoyed listening to lots of stuff in this group that's done with
modelers etc. So it can be done! But to me, a good amp makes it so easy.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c. 
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On 24-May-08, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote:

I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA
(bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my
guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only
out of the PA in the looping phase.  

Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube
amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer sounds great into a tube
amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.  Is there a PA screamer?

Best,
Adam


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Tonelab.&nbsp;
I&#8217;ve used one* in my solo loop rig (through an EDP and Bose L1) =
for about
five years, and it has served me well.&nbsp; I have a variety of =
programs I&#8217;ve
created for it, from fairly classic Fender Bassman, Twin and Deluxe =
timbres to
driven Marshalls and Voxes.&nbsp; There&#8217;s little chance that =
they&#8217;d fake
out a trained ear, but compared to having another open mic onstage and a =
heavy
amp/cab to lug around, this is a nice arrangement.&nbsp; The Tonelab has =
one 12AX7
in it, which makes it a lot warmer than the Pod products (I also have a =
Pod XT
Live I use as a pedalboard with the band).&nbsp; Since my music begins =
in blues and
wanders into jam and ambience, the ability to cop, say, an Elmore James =
tone
from his early 1960s Fire recordings is nice&#8212;just put it on the =
Twin
Reverb patch, switch in the built-in overdrive pedal &nbsp;and add a bit =
too much
spring reverb&#8212;and there it is.&nbsp; Of course, it helps to play a =
$40 early
60s Prestige two-pickup Japanese import, =
too&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>*I have the small blue-box =
Tonelab, not
the pedal version.&nbsp; The only drawback to it is playing outdoors; =
the red LEDs
get swallowed up by sunlight or ultra bright stage =
lights.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: OT: Getting =
that tube
amp sound w/o a tube amp</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
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black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>get a couple =
amps! One
(or more) for looped part(s) one for solos. That way you don't overload =
the PA.<br>
<br>
Just a thought. But this is what I'm working towards with looping. It =
works
well now with the RC50 but I have no idea how it will be if and when I =
upgrade
to a better setup. I'm now pretty much convinced I'm gonna have to take =
the
plunge into Powerbook land... but I don't wanna. After 25 years of using =
music
software, I've developed a healthy fear of new programs. <br>
<br>
I haven't used the Vox Tonelab. Haven't tried many modelers since they =
first
came out. I wasn't wild about them then. Luddite.<br>
<br>
I love the sound of a good amp. So much character and bhava. A hot tube =
is a
sensuous thing! And a whole host of them is an orgy. <br>
<br>
I'm sure someone's already said this, but why not mic the amp(s)? IS =
that a
routing issue with EDP? <br>
<br>
But I've enjoyed listening to lots of stuff in this group that's done =
with
modelers etc. So it can be done! But to me, a good amp makes it so =
easy.<br>
<br>
<?fontfamily><?param Gadget>richard sales<br>
<?color><?param 7373,7F7F,C5C5>glassWing farm and studio<br>
<?/color>vancouver island, b.c.<?color><?param C3C3,9696,1C1C> <br>
www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com<br>
www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com<br>
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com <br>
www.broombusters.org<br>
<?/color><?/fontfamily>On 24-May-08, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart =
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am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my =
PA (bose
LP1) without micing a guitar amp.&nbsp; Since I loop (EDP) I don't want =
my
guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then =
only out
of the PA in the looping phase.&nbsp; <br>
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get a
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tube
preamp?&nbsp; My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds =
really
ratty through the PA.&nbsp; Is there a PA screamer?<br>
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Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
there making noise in your hands?

Per

>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>
>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>
>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of
>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk, which
>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct roughly
>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual artifact!
>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and its
>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The
>> Little Mammoth.""
>>
>> Kris

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The guy who works on my guitars fixes and modifies a lot of expensive
Martins, Taylors and other such acoustics, so he keeps fossil ivory around.
When I took my early 1990s Gibson Flying V to him to change the tuners (I
play slide on it, using 13-60 gauge strings and the old tuners gave out), he
also installed a mastodon tusk nut, similar to what you are describing.  It
really helps the open strings to ring out nicely and has been on there a
good while.

I was there when he was making the nut--sure made a weird smell on his drum
sander...

dave 
 
micdave@hiwaay.net 


Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
there making noise in your hands?

Per

>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>
>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>
>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of
>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk,
which
>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct roughly
>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual
artifact!
>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and
its
>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The
>> Little Mammoth.""
>>
>> Kris




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I prefer real time sampling also.  Guitars plus samplers equals what  
i do.

Matt Stevens
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On 14 Jun 2008, at 03:21, Matt Davignon wrote:

> Admittedly, I usually say now that I play my instrument "with  
> electronics" or "with pedals". I prefer the term "real-time  
> sampling" more than looping for my own stuff.
>
> I think it requires less explanation. My experience is that most of  
> the people who know what "looping"is are themselves loopers. I've  
> only met a few non-loopers who know what it is.
>
> Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, "live looping" also evokes a  
> particular genre of music, which I don't think represents what I  
> sound like. (In the way that not every band who jams would identify  
> as 'a jam band'.)
>
> I disagree that the "Real-time sampling" is redundant.  It  
> specifies that the sampled sounds are both being generated and  
> recorded onstage, and playing them back in the same session.  
> (Although it doesn't specify that the person making the sounds is  
> the person sampling them.) Non-real-time sampling would involve  
> loading the samples into your gear before your set begins.
>
> Matt Davignon
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Micha? Wiernowolski  
> <mihalw@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I understand your question,
>
> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real  
> Time' is redundant, at least in case of sampling
> sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non  
> Real Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
> Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give the  
> information of  what do you do with those samples.
> You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>
> Cheers,
> Michal
>
>
> Matt Stevens wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping 
>> (apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?
>>
>> Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an  
>> email a few days ago!
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Matt Stevens
>> www.mattstevensguitar.com
>> mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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at 03:21, Matt Davignon wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Admittedly, =
I usually say now that I play my instrument "with electronics" or "with =
pedals". I prefer the term "real-time sampling" more than looping for my =
own stuff. <br><br>I think it requires less explanation. My experience =
is that most of the people who know what "looping"is are themselves =
loopers. I've only met a few non-loopers who know what it is. <br> =
<br>Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, "live looping" also evokes a =
particular genre of music, which I don't think represents what I sound =
like. (In the way that not every band who jams would identify as 'a jam =
band'.)<br> <br>I disagree that the "Real-time sampling" is redundant.=A0 =
It specifies that the sampled sounds are both being generated and =
recorded onstage, and playing them back in the same session. (Although =
it doesn't specify that the person making the sounds is the person =
sampling them.) Non-real-time sampling would involve loading the samples =
into your gear before your set begins. <br> <br>Matt =
Davignon<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:58 =
AM, Micha? Wiernowolski &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihalw@gmail.com">mihalw@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px =
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: =
1ex;">     <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> If I understand =
your question,<br> <br> 'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, =
the term 'Real Time' is redundant, at least in case of sampling<br> =
sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non Real =
Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.<br> Now, 'Live sampling' would be =
a bit better, but it doesn't give the information of=A0 what do you do =
with those samples.<br> You could possibly play a tune without loops at =
all.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> Michal<div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br>=
 <br> Matt Stevens wrote: <blockquote type=3D"cite">Does anyone else =
prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live Looping(apart from it being =
the name of a wonderful album by andy butler)?  <div><br>  </div>  =
<div>Just wondered? =A0Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an =
email a few days ago!</div> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"cite">  =
<div><br>  </div>  <div>Any thoughts?</div>  <div><br>  </div>  =
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font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
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href=3D"http://www.mattstevensguitar.com" =
target=3D"_blank">www.mattstevensguitar.com</a></div>  <div><a =
href=3D"mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com" =
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</div>  </span><br>  </span><br>  </div>  <br>  </div> </blockquote> =
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Von: Dustin Galish [mailto:dustingalish@gmail.com] 
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>
wrote:


Samba

Supremely cool.  A studio's dream come true!

And how bout those crystals?  Very odd critters on so many fronts.

Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool.

Lettuce know when the sounds are online

richard sales
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http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59

i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt notice  
him on there.
then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT  
MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE
This mans music has changed my entire life.   His albums the  
soundtrack to many a friend's soul,
his solo looping shows sounding nothing like his albums...

He's hired a backup band at this point so his show is a lot less  
looping,
but he was the first guy ive ever seen hold a whole audience  with his  
microphone and his self designed max/MSP looper:

this still gets me jumping on my furniture...dissolving into total  
chaos as we all got to  do someday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKqE1d1ucRg&amp;feature=related


and his retrospective on cycling 74:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6g4rySFqI


anyways, thought he deserved a mention...
/rithers

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On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, rithma <rithers@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59
>
> i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt notice him on
> there.
> then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT
> MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE

I remember some discussions on this list about his Max patch that he
uses for looping and mangling his vocals live. But Lidell is more of a
traditional soul singer than a looping artist and that's also how he
thinks about his own music.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Hi list,

I just heard that the Klape Remixed album is now released. Listen to
some of the remix artists here:
http://www.myspace.com/klaperemixed

My submission integrates live looping with remix esthetics. Software
tools used were Mobius looper and Logic Pro.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Absolutely sounds like an EFC-7 switch issue.  You can hook a multimeter up
to the switch and measure the resistance and compare that the chart
somewhere in the EDP documentation on the LD site.  Contact cleaner can fix
it for a while, eventually the switches break down and have to be replaced.
Fortunately they're cheap and designed to be replaced with minimal fuss.

TH

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>
> Dave Gallaher wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in quick
>> order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit the
>> record button, starting a new loop from scratch.  Since I haven't changed
>> the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?
>>
>
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Absolutely sounds like an EFC-7 switch issue.&nbsp; You can hook a multimeter up to the switch and measure the resistance and compare that the chart somewhere in the EDP documentation on the LD site.&nbsp; Contact cleaner can fix it for a while, eventually the switches break down and have to be replaced.&nbsp; Fortunately they&#39;re cheap and designed to be replaced with minimal fuss.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
Dave Gallaher wrote:<br>
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<br>
Lately, I&#39;ve noted that after three or so consecutive undo&#39;s done in quick<br>
order, the light doesn&#39;t go out--instead, it will act as if I&#39;ve hit the<br>
record button, starting a new loop from scratch. &nbsp;Since I haven&#39;t changed<br>
the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?<br>
</blockquote>
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LOL...


--- On Sat, 6/14/08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:

> From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de>
> Subject: AW: Cloak of Silence, Sonic crystals
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008, 9:37 AM
> This list is also affectionately known as "the
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> Von: Dustin Galish [mailto:dustingalish@gmail.com] 
> Gesendet: Samstag, 14. Juni 2008 03:29
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Richard Sales
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> wrote:
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> 
> Samba
> 
> Supremely cool.  A studio's dream come true!
> 
> And how bout those crystals?  Very odd critters on so many
> fronts.
> 
> Also Krispen... your setup sounds way cool.
> 
> Lettuce know when the sounds are online



      

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The video is really interesting,  wonder if he does that too
-Qua

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Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:41 AM
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Subject: Jamie Lidell

http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59

i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt notice  
him on there.
then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT  
MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE
This mans music has changed my entire life.   His albums the  
soundtrack to many a friend's soul,
his solo looping shows sounding nothing like his albums...

He's hired a backup band at this point so his show is a lot less  
looping,
but he was the first guy ive ever seen hold a whole audience  with his  
microphone and his self designed max/MSP looper:

this still gets me jumping on my furniture...dissolving into total  
chaos as we all got to  do someday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKqE1d1ucRg&amp;feature=related


and his retrospective on cycling 74:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6g4rySFqI


anyways, thought he deserved a mention...
/rithers

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Howdy,

He was mentioned here a few years back . . . maybe longer . . . it's 
been a while.

I remember following up a link on a post to watch one of his vid clips 
once.

Here is at least a couple of mentions I was able to google up on LD:

<http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200605/msg00320.html>

<http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg00648.html>

But, it's true, he was never a major topic of discussion (for whatever 
reason).

For those of us who've been here a long time it's easy to forget every 
passing mention.

Don't get discouraged, some of my own main (but admittedly terribly 
obscure) influences are never (or seldom) mentioned here either.

If I wanted to read about them I'd go to their websites (if they have 
'em).

People here are into different stuff and came to looping by a variety 
of routes.

We can all still learn from one another.

Cheers,

Ted

On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:40 AM, rithma wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59
>
> i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt notice 
> him on there.
> then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT 
> MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE
> This mans music has changed my entire life.   His albums the 
> soundtrack to many a friend's soul,
> his solo looping shows sounding nothing like his albums...
>
> He's hired a backup band at this point so his show is a lot less 
> looping,
> but he was the first guy ive ever seen hold a whole audience  with his 
> microphone and his self designed max/MSP looper:
>
> this still gets me jumping on my furniture...dissolving into total 
> chaos as we all got to  do someday:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKqE1d1ucRg&amp;feature=related
>
>
> and his retrospective on cycling 74:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6g4rySFqI
>
>
> anyways, thought he deserved a mention...
> /rithers

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http://cgi.ebay.de/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-Plus-Looper-Sampler_W0QQitemZ110260411570QQihZ001QQcategoryZ27607QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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I bought a mesa boog&#305;e formula preamp last year used off of Ebay for just
under 500us. I'm very happy w&#305;th &#305;t and I've been us&#305;ng &#305;t to g&#305;g and record
w&#305;th and &#305;t accompan&#305;ed me to Europe where &#305;t has behaved very n&#305;cely. I
thought I had blown &#305;t up just before I was beg&#305;nn&#305;ng a record&#305;ng sess&#305;on w&#305;th
Erdem Helvac&#305;oglü here &#305;n Istanbul., but &#305;t turned out that &#305;t was my monster
power str&#305;p that fr&#305;ed and all I needed to do was replace the Formula's.
&#305;nternal fuse. Erdem has a marshall JMP-1 that &#305;s also n&#305;ce and has cab&#305;net
s&#305;ms l&#305;ke my boog&#305;e. I have g&#305;ven up on modelers for now but they are gett&#305;ng
better, and are somewhat more pract&#305;cal for travel&#305;ng as they are l&#305;ght &#305;n
we&#305;ght and very versat&#305;le, but noth&#305;ng beats the sound and feel of tubes. I
used my boog&#305;e through an LP-1 at NAMM &#305;n January and the sound was fantast&#305;c,
warm and full w&#305;th great susta&#305;n and excellent controllable feedback. I had
m&#305;ne modded w&#305;th the Andrew mod ment&#305;oned on the Boog&#305;e chat room s&#305;te that
was a s&#305;mple three part mod that opened up the lead channels and made them
less m&#305;drangey
--
tubes rule,
B&#305;ll

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i saw him solo coachella and he did two songs that were full-on live- 
looping (or sampling, if you prefer).

On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:56 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, rithma <rithers@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59
>>
>> i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt  
>> notice him on
>> there.
>> then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT
>> MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE
>
> I remember some discussions on this list about his Max patch that he
> uses for looping and mangling his vocals live. But Lidell is more of a
> traditional soul singer than a looping artist and that's also how he
> thinks about his own music.
>
> -- 
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I think anyone involved with Warp Records is worth talking about. "Battles" 
included. Their guitarist uses an EDP, as far as i'm aware. And an absolute 
stunning band.

Check them out if you haven't already
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLAN29W-4w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpGp-22t0lU

Cheers,
Ricky

www.rickygraham.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" <tedkillian@charter.net>
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> Howdy,
>
> He was mentioned here a few years back . . . maybe longer . . . it's been 
> a while.
>
> I remember following up a link on a post to watch one of his vid clips 
> once.
>
> Here is at least a couple of mentions I was able to google up on LD:
>
> <http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200605/msg00320.html>
>
> <http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200604/msg00648.html>
>
> But, it's true, he was never a major topic of discussion (for whatever 
> reason).
>
> For those of us who've been here a long time it's easy to forget every 
> passing mention.
>
> Don't get discouraged, some of my own main (but admittedly terribly 
> obscure) influences are never (or seldom) mentioned here either.
>
> If I wanted to read about them I'd go to their websites (if they have 
> 'em).
>
> People here are into different stuff and came to looping by a variety of 
> routes.
>
> We can all still learn from one another.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
> On Jun 14, 2008, at 3:40 AM, rithma wrote:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5x4t59
>>
>> i just saw the "collated list of looping artists"  and didnt notice him 
>> on there.
>> then i did a search on my entire loopers delight history AND HE ISNT 
>> MENTIONED ON HERE ONCE
>> This mans music has changed my entire life.   His albums the soundtrack 
>> to many a friend's soul,
>> his solo looping shows sounding nothing like his albums...
>>
>> He's hired a backup band at this point so his show is a lot less looping,
>> but he was the first guy ive ever seen hold a whole audience  with his 
>> microphone and his self designed max/MSP looper:
>>
>> this still gets me jumping on my furniture...dissolving into total chaos 
>> as we all got to  do someday:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKqE1d1ucRg&amp;feature=related
>>
>>
>> and his retrospective on cycling 74:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc6g4rySFqI
>>
>>
>> anyways, thought he deserved a mention...
>> /rithers
>
>
>
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> 

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I'm using the Zoom G2 and I'm very happy with it (then again, I'm not a die hard purist either...).

It has very nice Amp simulations, you can set different micing settings (dynamic/condens., panning), it also has a nice "analogue" style gate and useful compresor in that context.
Just try it out.

Buzap
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If you want the Rolls Royce of amp modelers and fx all in one unit,  
look at the Axe-Fx (regular or Ultra) from Fractal Audio.

Jeff

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> have to slave over something like C++ or .NET for months .... I have 
> thought

Not exactly my idea of efficient enough languages to do audio processing, 
but I wish you the best of luck.  You may find that some of your more time 
critical routines may need to be written in C or even assembly code. 

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At 11:11 PM +0200 6/12/08, Buzap Buzap wrote:
>
>this is really true: I discovered another "feature" hidden in the RC-50! :-))
>
>It was that evening when Rick Walker showed me his Looperlative and 
>some tricks of the trade while touring here in Europe (thanks very 
>much! :-) It wasn't exactly a Looperlative trick, but it kind of 
>inspired me.

FWIW, if I'm reading your technique correctly, it is an LP-1 
technique (or at least it is now).  Steve Lawson figured out how to 
do this on the Looperlative a few weeks ago.  That's merely a detail, 
though; it is a great function.

>So, I sat down and figured out a way to use A/B switching similar to 
>the Boomerang on the RC-50.

In general, I think we all know I'm not the biggest booster of the 
RC-50 (still feel Roland depends far more on product marketing than 
product development).

HOWEVER, Buzap, even though I don't own an RC-50 myself, I'd like say 
that it would be a downright crime if you (and Sjaak too, for that 
matter) weren't getting a nice fat bonus check from Roland for your 
work here!  You've done a great job of finding workarounds and 
functionality in this product which its designers obviously never 
even conceptualized.

You deserve more credit for your efforts than you're ever likely to 
get, which is a bit of injustice.  But on behalf of the other 
gearheads here, I thought *somebody* should say thank you and keep up 
the good work!  :D

	--m.
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I'm looking to buy a 2880 looper and foot controller.  Anybody got one for
sale?  Thanks.

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I&#39;m looking to buy a 2880 looper and foot controller.&nbsp; Anybody got one for sale?&nbsp; Thanks.<br><br>Nate.<br>

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Let me explain once again...

Sampling is a process of recording sound in a digital form in order to 
recreate it at a later time.

Real-time refers to a computer system that can process incoming data at 
the rate they are delivered.
In other words the reaction to a certain phenomenon is immediate, that 
is without delay
or, to be more precise, the response time does not exceed certain 
relatively small level.

Now,  let us think whether the recording itself can be delayed.
 From an analog perspective it seems enough to use very long cables 
between microphone and recorder,
like from earth to sun. This would give more than 8 minutes of delay - 
long enough to play a whole tune.
There is unfortunately no contradiction here, as the data are simply 
delivered later, but recorder immediately.
What about digital - we can buffer the incoming data and record it 
afterwards. Not a chance here either;
to put it in a buffer we have to sample it (again immediately), so all 
we've got is resampling.

What I am trying to say is that 'real-time' is inherent to 'recording', 
in particular to sampling, and
therefore redundant.

On the other hand when I look at the term 'non-real-time sampling' I 
imagine a musician who incidentally
pressed the record button after he played his piece. What would he get? 
The sound of silence,
provided his preamps are really good.

I hope this clarifies my opinion on this topic presented earlier.

Michal

Matt Davignon wrote:
> Admittedly, I usually say now that I play my instrument "with 
> electronics" or "with pedals". I prefer the term "real-time sampling" 
> more than looping for my own stuff.
>
> I think it requires less explanation. My experience is that most of 
> the people who know what "looping"is are themselves loopers. I've only 
> met a few non-loopers who know what it is.
>
> Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, "live looping" also evokes a particular 
> genre of music, which I don't think represents what I sound like. (In 
> the way that not every band who jams would identify as 'a jam band'.)
>
> I disagree that the "Real-time sampling" is redundant.  It specifies 
> that the sampled sounds are both being generated and recorded onstage, 
> and playing them back in the same session. (Although it doesn't 
> specify that the person making the sounds is the person sampling 
> them.) Non-real-time sampling would involve loading the samples into 
> your gear before your set begins.
>
> Matt Davignon
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Micha? Wiernowolski <mihalw@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mihalw@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     If I understand your question,
>
>     'Real Time Sampling' seems wrong to me. Firstly, the term 'Real
>     Time' is redundant, at least in case of sampling
>     sound. If you are not sure about this think of the opposite 'Non
>     Real Time Sampling', which is an oxymoron.
>     Now, 'Live sampling' would be a bit better, but it doesn't give
>     the information of  what do you do with those samples.
>     You could possibly play a tune without loops at all.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Michal
>
>
>     Matt Stevens wrote:
>>     Does anyone else prefer the term Real Time Sampling to Live
>>     Looping(apart from it being the name of a wonderful album by andy
>>     butler)?
>>
>>     Just wondered?  Someone else suggested Guitar 2.0 to me in an
>>     email a few days ago!
>>
>>     Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>     Matt Stevens
>>     www.mattstevensguitar.com <http://www.mattstevensguitar.com>
>>     mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com
>>     <mailto:mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Micha? Wiernowolski <mihalw@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me explain once again...
>
> Sampling is a process of recording sound in a digital form in order to
> recreate it at a later time.
>
> Real-time refers to a computer system that can process incoming data at the
> rate they are delivered.


Correct. But "real-time" may also refer to the musician's sampling
action, meaning he/she is recording the sound on the spot as it
happens. In this regard the "real-time" is just a way of stating that
samples used in the performance were not recorded in advance.

If talking "sampling" I think the term "live sampling", popularized by
Mixmaster Morris, is better. But as "real-time sampling" it also has a
problem with not describing what the performer is doing with the
sampled audio (to compare with "live-looping" that rather puts
emphasize on the performing aspect).

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Gah ... thanks, I like my navel just the way it is ... don't need to
do any more gazing.

This is why I am moving away from saying, to audiences and listeners,
that I am a "looper" ... the terms get in the way of the music. I've
started just saying that I am a guitarist. When they look at the gear
and start asking questions, I can tell them what each bit does,
provide an example of it and MAYBE we'll hear the mental synapses
click into place. Having referents in the form of other musicians
often helps them to make their own connections.

One of the difficulties with these kinds of discussions is that we
(The List) are "preaching to the choir". I'm not saying we should stop
(for the sake of folks who are just discovering the List and the use
of looping), but just that sometimes the discussion gets a little too
circular.

Ya know?

Dennis

On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Micha? Wiernowolski <mihalw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Let me explain once again...
>>
>> Sampling is a process of recording sound in a digital form in order to
>> recreate it at a later time.
>>
>> Real-time refers to a computer system that can process incoming data at the
>> rate they are delivered.
>
>
> Correct. But "real-time" may also refer to the musician's sampling
> action, meaning he/she is recording the sound on the spot as it
> happens. In this regard the "real-time" is just a way of stating that
> samples used in the performance were not recorded in advance.
>
> If talking "sampling" I think the term "live sampling", popularized by
> Mixmaster Morris, is better. But as "real-time sampling" it also has a
> problem with not describing what the performer is doing with the
> sampled audio (to compare with "live-looping" that rather puts
> emphasize on the performing aspect).
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>

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Matt Davignon schrieb:
> I think it requires less explanation. My experience is that most of the 
> people who know what "looping"is are themselves loopers. I've only met a 
> few non-loopers who know what it is.

But the same is true for "real-time samplers" might be even worse, as
all the loopers don't know it either....

Though I do the same, I call my instrument "Les Ondes Memorielles"...
To explain it, I tell the people I am looping...

> Also, as Matt Stevens alluded, "live looping" also evokes a particular 
> genre of music, which I don't think represents what I sound like. (In 
> the way that not every band who jams would identify as 'a jam band'.)

I have attended some live looping festivals, and I can tell you, never
in my life I've ever seen more diversity in style within one festival.
It might be true for all other communities, but not for the looping
community... I am sure you'll fit into any of them...
Looping is not a style, its a method and/or an instrument. A Cello
doesn't define a style either. Don't get fooled by the fact that a
majority of the list members seem to play guitar...

Stefan

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nick ingvoldstad schrieb:
> I'm a Junior and I'm trying to do this as a project, but ideally take it 
> to the point of manufacturing and selling.  In order to do this, I'm 
> going to have to slave over something like C++ or .NET for months ....

One pretty interesting way to go, would be to create a stompbox/rack
space with a decent general purpose computer inside, a firewire
connection for an audio interface. Then install Linux on it. Configure
it in a way that it boots up fast and without the need of keyboard,
screen and mouse (though you should be able to attach them). Then
install also Pd on it. Build the looper in Pd. (Pd can run without GUI...)
This has several advantages, it won't require slaving over c++, any Pd
programmer could just create her on patch to run in it, you could even
run vst's inside the patch...

There are general purpose boxes like that around, but they are in the
price range of 2000 $/Euros and they would not run a custom Pd patch...

Just thinking of an EeePC without screen, might do it already. You would
configure the box for those who are not familiar with all this Linux
stuff, and it would basically work like any stomp box.
The user would have his own choice for an audio interface, which could
be fixed in a rack/box...

Stefan

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> One pretty interesting way to go, would be to create a 
> stompbox/rack space with a decent general purpose computer 

see this thread:
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200711/msg00377.html

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Fathers day to all dad's on the list as well as those of your dads'
who are still around.

Jim
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You too! Patre of twins here

************************
Sent from my iPhone
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On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:46 AM, "Jim Goodin" <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> Fathers day to all dad's on the list as well as those of your dads'
> who are still around.
>
> Jim
> Dad of 2, father since departed
>
> -- 
> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> Chinapainting -
> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> Chinapainting on My Space -
> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
> Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by
> Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>

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Hello all,

I want to run Mobius and Ableton on a Windows XP laptop with my  
firewire audio interface, but the laptop doesn't have firewire.  I've  
heard the the PCMCIA cards with firewire don't work very well.  Is  
anyone using one successfully, or do you know if they have problems?

Thanks.

Michael C.

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check the forum of your interface's manufacturer for compatibility of the
chipset of your firewire adapter with the interface in question. This
actually is not an issue with PCMCIA/cardbus cards, but with firewire and
some interfaces in general.

I'm using a non-firewire laptop with dawicontrol firewire adapter (TI
chipset) and Presonus Firebox successfully. I had problems with a TC
Konnekt24D, but this seems to be an issue of the TC hardware/driver, not the
firewire interface. A friend of mine (laptop w/ integrated Hitachi firewire
chipset) had problems with his Presonus Inspire, but was able to solve them
by using a TI-based cardbus/PCMCIA firewire adapter.

	Rainer 

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The same back at ya (and to others on this list.

Perhaps I'll get a chance to annoy the offspring (and the spouse) today 
with some weird noises.

Cheers,

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i use a pcmcia card with tc konnekt and it works fine.
don't expect the firewire bus to serve as a power source for your soundcard, 
though.

tilmann

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> Hello all,
>
> I want to run Mobius and Ableton on a Windows XP laptop with my  firewire 
> audio interface, but the laptop doesn't have firewire.  I've  heard the 
> the PCMCIA cards with firewire don't work very well.  Is  anyone using one 
> successfully, or do you know if they have problems?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael C.
> 

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My dad, a retired professor, was here this weekend to see me get my  
Ph.D. And I (we) also got to spend it with my daughter, who is a  
little over 2 years old. So, it was a particularly memorable one.

I hope other dads had a great day, too.

Jeff


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> Perhaps I'll get a chance to annoy the offspring (and the spouse)  
> today with some weird noises.

Amen to that!  (Although they escaped to the backyard!)

Matt

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Well, it was pretty much there before I did this, via midi controllers, my 
expression pedals, etc. I didn't really need to look at the computer, except 
to verify once in a while that was I was controlling on the ground was 
occuring in the system. I took it a step further. No touching anything but 
my instrument, after I initially turn the computer on, turn on my system, 
and start to play.

Kris

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If you have your rig setup correctly, you never have to look at your
computer.
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

>
>>> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time  with
>> my
>>> instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time  fiddling
>>> with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which looks
>>> absolutely ridiculous in my opinion)
>
> I'm glad somebody finally said this!!
> If I ever move to a laptop (which I'm still resisting... ;-) it will 
> definetely be a setup where the damn thing will simply stay _closed_  once 
> and forever. Shure, tweaking some computer knobs might seem cool.
> But really, isn't music (also) about making a connection with the 
> audience? Sitting completely self-absorbed and remote in front of a 
> computer is not my thing. At least it sucks my attention completely  - I 
> wouldn't wanna have that.
>
> Buzap
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Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:

Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock
BEMF - Sunday -  http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4

I'll have more later, plus  more pictures of the instrument.

Kris

----- Original Message ----- 

> Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
> Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
> old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
> a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
> there making noise in your hands?
>
> Per
>
>>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>>
>>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>>
>>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of
>>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk, 
>>> which
>>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct 
>>> roughly
>>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual 
>>> artifact!
>>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and 
>>> its
>>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The
>>> Little Mammoth.""
>>>
>>> Kris
> 

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Well I've made some decisions on this, and have tried to include much of
what came up often.  As far as computer connectivity, I'm considering USB
1.0 if it proves to be more reliable, regardless of its relative
sluggishness to its more buggy counterpart.  I know Firewire is best, but
not as many people have that so I feel it might isolate users.  If I were
planning to offer real-time modulation FX, I would need something speedy to
beat my sampling rate but that's not the case at the moment; I may not be
adding any modulation to the machine at all, for the sake of simplicity.
But I plan to make it easy to add any of your own FX on any individual
looping track.

I know I haven't mentioned any means of actual implementation here, but
that's because at this stage in the design, it should all be conceptual and
means of actualization would be considered based on the model once it's
finalized.  Sorry about the ambiguity though.  For what I have, it will
probably be easiest and cheapest to write software to sample and perform
everything, then embed into a machine if I want a hardware interface, which
I think I do.  So I will have to start coding this from scratch, I suppose.
Yeeeesh!  Might be easiest to write in C# or C, using something like FSound
to communicate with my sound card.  I could use my USB soundcard to act as
my first 1/4" input, and see if I can get it to sample that.  Once I do,
I'll start writing something to loop it etc continuing from there.  When
necessary, I could give myself more USB soundcards for modeling a
multi-input device.  That will probably be when it gets insanely
complicated.

I am beginning to understand how great an undertaking this would be to take
through all the stages of the design process, but remain determined as it
will probably force me to prim functions and minimize my design, hopefully
without compromising any freedom for the user.  Having looked into many of
my respondents, I see what experience you all have, like Bob and Jeff having
designed the Looperlative and Mobius.  You guys are like rock stars of the
looping world! @_@  Bob, you should know that having researched the LP-1 as
one of the high-end loopers I presented on, I'm very impressed and have
great respect for your work.  I found my favorite parts about it were the 8
independently adjustable tracks and especially the ethernet connectivity.  A
software implementation makes it much easier to update the product, fixing
bugs and offering new features and updates.  But the ethernet connectivity
allows you that with hardware... pretty genius.  By the way, I happened to
meet a man who when this project came up in conversation, mentioned that he
somehow knows a guy on the Looperlative team, Steve Lawson.  Small world!
I'll have to get ask again how exactly he knows him.  His name is Brandon,
and he's visiting my town from around Manchester.

"You may find that some of your more time critical routines may need to be
written in C or even assembly code. "

I suppose the function most dependent upon timeliness would be the sampling
itself.  I've done some PIC assembly coding, so if it comes down to that I
might at least have a little bit of experience, but I think my
microprocessor design course next semester will be a big help for this.  If
you guys think it'd be best to do the whole thing in C, I'll take your
advice... that's what I'll be using the most in school next semester.

Nick Ingvoldstad

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:41 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> I am a newbie looper, the nicest thing for me would be on the fly pitch
> transposition.
>
>

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Well I&#39;ve made some decisions on this, and have tried to include much o=
f what came up often.&nbsp; As far as computer connectivity, I&#39;m consid=
ering USB 1.0 if it proves to be more reliable, regardless of its relative =
sluggishness to its more buggy counterpart.&nbsp; I know Firewire is best, =
but not as many people have that so I feel it might isolate users.&nbsp; If=
 I were planning to offer real-time modulation FX, I would need something s=
peedy to beat my sampling rate but that&#39;s not the case at the moment; I=
 may not be adding any modulation to the machine at all, for the sake of si=
mplicity.&nbsp; But I plan to make it easy to add any of your own FX on any=
 individual looping track.&nbsp; <br>
<br>I know I haven&#39;t mentioned any means of actual implementation here,=
 but that&#39;s because at this stage in the design, it should all be conce=
ptual and means of actualization would be considered based on the model onc=
e it&#39;s finalized.&nbsp; Sorry about the ambiguity though.&nbsp; For wha=
t I have, it will probably be easiest and cheapest to write software to sam=
ple and perform everything, then embed into a machine if I want a hardware =
interface, which I think I do.&nbsp; So I will have to start coding this fr=
om scratch, I suppose.&nbsp; Yeeeesh!&nbsp; Might be easiest to write in C#=
 or C, using something like FSound to communicate with my sound card.&nbsp;=
 I could use my USB soundcard to act as my first 1/4&quot; input, and see i=
f I can get it to sample that.&nbsp; Once I do, I&#39;ll start writing some=
thing to loop it etc continuing from there.&nbsp; When necessary, I could g=
ive myself more USB soundcards for modeling a multi-input device.&nbsp; Tha=
t will probably be when it gets insanely complicated.&nbsp; <br>
<br>I am beginning to understand how great an undertaking this would be to =
take through all the stages of the design process, but remain determined as=
 it will probably force me to prim functions and minimize my design, hopefu=
lly without compromising any freedom for the user.&nbsp; Having looked into=
 many of my respondents, I see what experience you all have, like Bob and J=
eff having designed the Looperlative and Mobius.&nbsp; You guys are like ro=
ck stars of the looping world! @_@&nbsp; Bob, you should know that having r=
esearched the LP-1 as one of the high-end loopers I presented on, I&#39;m v=
ery impressed and have great respect for your work.&nbsp; I found my favori=
te parts about it were the 8 independently adjustable tracks and especially=
 the ethernet connectivity.&nbsp; A software implementation makes it much e=
asier to update the product, fixing bugs and offering new features and upda=
tes.&nbsp; But the ethernet connectivity allows you that with hardware... p=
retty genius.&nbsp; By the way, I happened to meet a man who when this proj=
ect came up in conversation,
mentioned that he somehow knows a guy on the Looperlative team, Steve Lawso=
n.&nbsp;
Small world!&nbsp; I&#39;ll have to get ask again how exactly he knows him.=
&nbsp; His name is Brandon, and he&#39;s visiting my town from
around Manchester.&nbsp; <br><br>&quot;You may find that some of your more =
time critical routines may need to be written in C or even assembly code. &=
quot;<br><br>I suppose the function most dependent upon timeliness would be=
 the sampling itself.&nbsp; I&#39;ve done some PIC assembly coding, so if i=
t comes down to that I might at least have a little bit of experience, but =
I think my microprocessor design course next semester will be a big help fo=
r this.&nbsp; If you guys think it&#39;d be best to do the whole thing in C=
, I&#39;ll take your advice... that&#39;s what I&#39;ll be using the most i=
n school next semester.&nbsp; <br>
<br>Nick Ingvoldstad<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 14, 2008=
 at 7:41 PM, E Gross &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com" target=3D=
"_blank">slapbandjam@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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w york,times,serif;"><br><br>
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,=
serif;">I am&nbsp;a newbie looper, the nicest thing for me would be on the =
fly pitch transposition.</div></div></div><br>

      </div></blockquote></div><br>

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Thanks---I have no electronics skills (as in multimeter use) but I should be
able to spray out the switches.  Still mad at myself for missing the MF
blowout on the pedals over Memorial Day weekend.

 

dave 

 

micdave@hiwaay.net  

 

  _____  

From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP Undo question

 

Absolutely sounds like an EFC-7 switch issue.  You can hook a multimeter up
to the switch and measure the resistance and compare that the chart
somewhere in the EDP documentation on the LD site.  Contact cleaner can fix
it for a while, eventually the switches break down and have to be replaced.
Fortunately they're cheap and designed to be replaced with minimal fuss.

TH

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:



Dave Gallaher wrote:



Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in quick
order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit the
record button, starting a new loop from scratch.  Since I haven't changed
the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?

 

 


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skills (as
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Still mad
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weekend&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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2008 9:39
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: EDP Undo =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Absolutely =
sounds like an
EFC-7 switch issue.&nbsp; You can hook a multimeter up to the switch and
measure the resistance and compare that the chart somewhere in the EDP
documentation on the LD site.&nbsp; Contact cleaner can fix it for a =
while,
eventually the switches break down and have to be replaced.&nbsp; =
Fortunately
they're cheap and designed to be replaced with minimal fuss.<br>
<br>
TH<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<br>
Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in =
quick<br>
order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit =
the<br>
record button, starting a new loop from scratch. &nbsp;Since I haven't =
changed<br>
the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 =
itself?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Kris,

This guitar sounds very good - congratulations! (nice music too in that clip)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen



On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:
>
> Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock
> BEMF - Sunday -  http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4
>
> I'll have more later, plus  more pictures of the instrument.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
>> Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
>> old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
>> a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
>> there making noise in your hands?
>>
>> Per
>>
>>>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>>>
>>>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of
>>>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk,
>>>> which
>>>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct
>>>> roughly
>>>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual
>>>> artifact!
>>>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and
>>>> its
>>>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The
>>>> Little Mammoth.""
>>>>
>>>> Kris
>>
>
>

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HI,

One thing I wanted to do with my EDP, but wasn't able to because it
could not hold enough programs in memory, was to have just one foot
pedal button but change program in the EDP to have this foot button
take on different commands. Now I have moved my looper and effect
patches into a laptop I can finally make that old wish come true. But
I don't know about any "one button foot floor pedal" that is available
on the market. Any hints?

What I need is one small box that sends just one MIDI event. I have no
wish for any special MIDI event - it can be a midi note, a program
change, a control value or whatever - I'll make a Bidule patch that
redirects it to the event needed for the looper.

Aren't there cheap USB buttons one may use? I'd actually prefer that
before MIDI.

Or what really would be cool is to use an analog foot button pad, just
like those switchers that come with cheap synth keyboards, that are
used for the sustain pedal function. If I could connect one such
switcher to a phantom powered mic input on the audio interface and
mock up something in Bidule that recognizes the change in voltage and
creates an event in the software. Wow, I just don't know enough about
electricity and cables and stuff, but wouldn't that work in some way?

I'm thinking about rearranging my looping rig to get rid of the FCB
and only use ONE tiny pedal button that only sends one MIDI event,
accompanied by a hand button pad. On the hand button pad I press one
button to tell the laptop what the next foot press means and when I
kick the pedal my looper/fx is executing the command I armed it for by
the the finger button pressing. I think that will be a feasible
solution to traveling with light luggage and also setting up on stage
in 60 seconds (... well, almost...). I will keep this mini rig in
parallel to my FCB, so I can use both depending on circumstances.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> What I need is one small box that sends just one MIDI event. I have no
> wish for any special MIDI event - it can be a midi note, a program
> change, a control value or whatever

This might do the trick:

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodfsw.htm

or you can build it yourself:

http://www.midi-hardware.com/products.html or
http://www.doepfer.de/pe.htm

grtz. Sanne

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Dit is een meerdelig bericht in de MIME-indeling.

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Hi

I replaced all my switches, when you push the button, the old ones make =
contact and the new switches they click. They make better contact this =
way. Brandname: Miyama ,type number: MS-730 made in Japan.

Simon=20
projekt67@gmail.com



From: Dave Gallaher=20
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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: RE: EDP Undo question


Thanks---I have no electronics skills (as in multimeter use) but I =
should be able to spray out the switches.  Still mad at myself for =
missing the MF blowout on the pedals over Memorial Day weekend.

=20

dave=20

=20

micdave@hiwaay.net =20

=20


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From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:39 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP Undo question

=20

Absolutely sounds like an EFC-7 switch issue.  You can hook a multimeter =
up to the switch and measure the resistance and compare that the chart =
somewhere in the EDP documentation on the LD site.  Contact cleaner can =
fix it for a while, eventually the switches break down and have to be =
replaced.  Fortunately they're cheap and designed to be replaced with =
minimal fuss.

TH

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:03 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> =
wrote:



Dave Gallaher wrote:



Lately, I've noted that after three or so consecutive undo's done in =
quick
order, the light doesn't go out--instead, it will act as if I've hit the
record button, starting a new loop from scratch.  Since I haven't =
changed
the programming, could this be an issue in the FC7 itself?

=20

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British Audio will take care of it for you.  I've had work there, and it's
been great.  They know the EDP (and sell upgrades).

http://www.britishaudioservice.com/

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jebus McLoopie <mcloopie@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
> always kind of buggy... I'd get this kind of static noise while playing. But
> it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
> noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping
> that would fix the problem but now it's worse. It's inconsistently buggy and
> it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
> Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?
>
>
> mcloopie
>

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British Audio will take care of it for you.&nbsp; I&#39;ve had work there, and it&#39;s been great.&nbsp; They know the EDP (and sell upgrades).<br><br><a href="http://www.britishaudioservice.com/">http://www.britishaudioservice.com/</a><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Jebus McLoopie &lt;<a href="mailto:mcloopie@gmail.com">mcloopie@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It&#39;s an Oberhiem version. It was always kind of buggy... I&#39;d get this kind of static noise while playing. But it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping that would fix the problem but now it&#39;s worse. It&#39;s inconsistently buggy and it&#39;s bad enough that I don&#39;t want to use it live.&nbsp;<div>

<br></div><div>Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?</div><div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>mcloopie</div>
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Hi Mech

thanks for the kudos :-)

Also, with the "loop feedback" workaround, it took a while until people picked it up.
So, I'll stay patient :-)

But honestly, this is even a better workaround.
I was just about to switch to computer based looping. Now, this will keep me happy on the hardware side for a bit longer, because that's exactly how I work:
a) start a rhythm loop on loop3 
b) put PartA on Loop1 
c) put PartB on Loop2
d) toggle between PartA/B

Set Loop1 to "main", Loop2 to "sub", Loop3 to "main+sub" - and use an A/B footpedal to switch between the loops1/2. So simple!
I think this is what a lot of people waiting for a new "Boomerang" really want.

Yes, it would be really great if Roland would implement suggestions. With a "RC-50XL" Update, they could easily offer - besides SINGLE/MULTI - a MIXED mode just doing this.
While we're at it, of course: loop feedback, real MIDI slave, decent tempo tap...

Oh well.
Anyway, thanks for the Feedback, Mech. :-)

Buzap

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glad that works for you,

The edp fc7 buttons were specially selected to be fast acting and easy to push,
in order to make accurate timing easier. (hence, no click).

So for other users, this may not be an ideal choice.

andy butler

projektGmail wrote:
> Hi
>  
> I replaced all my switches, when you push the button, the old ones make 
> contact and the new switches they click. They make better contact this 
> way. Brandname: Miyama ,type number: MS-730 made in Japan.
>  
> Simon
> projekt67@gmail.com <mailto:projekt67@gmail.com>
>  
> 
>
>  
> 

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Hey,

I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save them
to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my convenience. I
know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but I am not sure
that it can do exactly what I want to. I'd like to be able to save loop 1 to
button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be able to press
said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that particular loop.

Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven't really dived into the
loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a
new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops.

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Hey,<br><br>I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save them to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my convenience. I know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but I am not sure that it can do exactly what I want to. I&#39;d like to be able to save loop 1 to button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that particular loop.<br>
<br>Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven&#39;t really dived into the loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops. <br>

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Can someone hook me up? many thanks. mcloopie

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:

> There's a few people on the list that have schematics, you'd be better to
> get the schematics and take it to someone who is good with electronics. I
> got mine fixed a few years ago by one of the electronic technicians at the
> hospital where I work.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Jebus McLoopie <mcloopie@gmail.com>:
>
>  I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
>> always kind of buggy... I'd get this kind of static noise while playing.
>> But
>> it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
>> noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping
>> that would fix the problem but now it's worse. It's inconsistently buggy
>> and
>> it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
>> Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?
>>
>>
>> mcloopie
>>
>>
>
>

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Can someone hook me up? many thanks. mcloopie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM,  &lt;<a href="mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca">phaslem@wightman.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
There&#39;s a few people on the list that have schematics, you&#39;d be better to get the schematics and take it to someone who is good with electronics. I got mine fixed a few years ago by one of the electronic technicians at the hospital where I work.<br>

<br>
Paul<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting Jebus McLoopie &lt;<a href="mailto:mcloopie@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcloopie@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It&#39;s an Oberhiem version. It was<br>
always kind of buggy... I&#39;d get this kind of static noise while playing. But<br>
it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud<br>
noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping<br>
that would fix the problem but now it&#39;s worse. It&#39;s inconsistently buggy and<br>
it&#39;s bad enough that I don&#39;t want to use it live.<br>
Is there anywhere I can send it for repair?<br>
<br>
<br>
mcloopie<br>
<br>
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From: Jebus McLoopie [mailto:mcloopie@gmail.com] 
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Can someone hook me up? many thanks. mcloopie

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:

There's a few people on the list that have schematics, you'd be better to
get the schematics and take it to someone who is good with electronics. I
got mine fixed a few years ago by one of the electronic technicians at the
hospital where I work.

Paul






Quoting Jebus McLoopie <mcloopie@gmail.com>:

I bought my EDP used a few years ago. It's an Oberhiem version. It was
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it was always fairly reliable. But it started acting up... making loud
noises, just stopping the loop for no reason. I upgraded to Loop IV hoping
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it's bad enough that I don't want to use it live.
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You can export loops from the EDP, but MIDI sample dump is waaaaaaaaaaaaay
slow--not something you'd do on a gig, if that was your plan.

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save
> them to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my
> convenience. I know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but
> I am not sure that it can do exactly what I want to. I'd like to be able to
> save loop 1 to button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be
> able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that
> particular loop.
>
> Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven't really dived into the
> loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a
> new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops.
>

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You can export loops from the EDP, but MIDI sample dump is waaaaaaaaaaaaay slow--not something you&#39;d do on a gig, if that was your plan.&nbsp; <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hey,<br><br>I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save them to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my convenience. I know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but I am not sure that it can do exactly what I want to. I&#39;d like to be able to save loop 1 to button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that particular loop.<br>

<br>Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven&#39;t really dived into the loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops. <br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Ah, so maybe it would be a better idea to send the output of the edp into
something else that can record individual loops? I'm confused as to how this
whole thing would work. I would make one loop on the edp, send the audio to
a sampler, and then record the audio input from the edp?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can export loops from the EDP, but MIDI sample dump is waaaaaaaaaaaaay
> slow--not something you'd do on a gig, if that was your plan.
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save
>> them to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my
>> convenience. I know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but
>> I am not sure that it can do exactly what I want to. I'd like to be able to
>> save loop 1 to button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be
>> able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that
>> particular loop.
>>
>> Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven't really dived into the
>> loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a
>> new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops.
>>
>
>

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Ah, so maybe it would be a better idea to send the output of the edp into something else that can record individual loops? I&#39;m confused as to how this whole thing would work. I would make one loop on the edp, send the audio to a sampler, and then record the audio input from the edp?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You can export loops from the EDP, but MIDI sample dump is waaaaaaaaaaaaay slow--not something you&#39;d do on a gig, if that was your plan.&nbsp; <br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:14 AM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hey,<br><br>I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump loops, save them to a button preset on the sampler, and re-trigger them at my convenience. I know that the EDP can do next loops and all of that jazz, but I am not sure that it can do exactly what I want to. I&#39;d like to be able to save loop 1 to button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or trigger that particular loop.<br>


<br>Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven&#39;t really dived into the loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky to copy a loop to a new one, and trying to undo/trigger particular loops. <br>
</blockquote></div><br>
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> 
>         Hey,
> 
>         I was thinking about getting a sampler so that I could dump
>         loops, save them to a button preset on the sampler, and
>         re-trigger them at my convenience. I know that the EDP can do
>         next loops and all of that jazz, but I am not sure that it can
>         do exactly what I want to. 

it probably can,

if you'd like to share your requirements,

then someone here can advise


>I'd like to be able to save loop 1 to
>         button 1 on the sampler, loop 2 on button 2 etc, and then be
>         able to press said button on the sampler to either stop or
>         trigger that particular loop.
> 
>         Can this be done with ease on the EDP? I haven't really dived
>         into the loopcopy function yet, but I think it might be tricky
>         to copy a loop to a new one, and trying to undo/trigger
>         particular loops.

copying one loop to another is pretty easy

..and the edp can function somewhat like a sampler, with loops
directly accessible with Midi Note-On


andy butler

> 
> 
> 

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Good Day,
 
    I am Thomas Walford, staff of SG International Private Bank. I am
contacting you concerning a deceased customer and an investment he placed
under our banks management three years ago.
 
I am contacting you independently of our investigation and no one is
informed of this communication. I would like to intimate you with certain
facts that I believe would be of interest to you. In the year 2004, the
subject matter; came to our bank to engage in business discussions with our
private banking division. He informed us that he had a financial portfolio
of Six Million United States Dollars, which he wished to have us turn over
(invest) on his behalf. 
 
In mid 2005, he asked that the money be liquidated because he needed to
make an urgent investment requiring cash payments in Helsinki- Finland. He
directed that I liquidate the funds and deposit it with a security firm. I
informed him that my Bank would have to make special arrangements to have
this done and in order not to circumvent due process.

 Cash movement across boarders has become especially strict since the
incidents of 9/11. I contacted my affiliate and made the funds available to
the security firm. I undertook all the processes and made sure I followed
his precise instructions to the letter and had the funds deposited with the
security firm. The Security Firm is a specialist private firm that accepts
deposits from high net worth individuals and blue chip corporations that
handle valuable products or undertake transactions that need immediate
access to cash. This small and highly private organization is familiar
especially to the highly placed and well-connected organizations. In line
with instructions, the money was deposited with the security firm.
The deceased told me he wanted the money there in anticipation of his
arrival from Norway later that week.

 This was the last communication we had, this transpired around 25th of
November 2005. In June last year, and we got a call from the security firm
informing us about the inactivity of that particular portfolio.  I made
futile efforts to locate the deceased. I immediately passed the task of
locating him to the internal investigations department of SG International
Private Bank. Four days later, information started to trickle in,
apparently our client was dead. A person who suited his description was
declared dead of a heart attack in Cannes, in Southern part of France. We
were soon enough to identify the body and cause of death was confirmed.

  In his bio-data form, he listed no next of kin. In the field of private
banking, opening an account with us means no one will know of its
existence, accounts are rarely held under a name; depositors use numbers
and codes to make the accounts anonymous. This investigation has for the
past months been unfruitful; weâ€™ve used our private investigation
affiliate companies to get to the root of the problem. It is this
investigation that resulted in my being furnished with your details as a
possible relative of the deceased.

 What I wish to relate to you will smack of unethical practice but I want
you to understand something. It is only an outsider to the banking world
who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The
world of private banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those
that occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios. You should have
begun by now to put together the general direction of what I propose.

 There is Six Million dollars deposited in a security firm, I alone have
the deposit details and they will release the deposit to no one unless I
instruct them to do so. I alone know of the existence of this deposit for
as far as my Bank is concerned.
 
My proposal: I now seek your permission to present you as a next of kin to
the deceased, as all documentations will be carefully worked to make you
the beneficiary to the funds $6,000 000 (Six Million United States Dollar);
I am prepared to place you in a position to instruct The security Firm to
release the deposit to you as the closest surviving relation. Upon receipt
of the deposit, I am prepared to share the proceeds 60/40.I would have gone
ahead to ask that the funds be released to me, but that would have drawn a
straight line to me and my involvement in claiming the deposit. We can
fine-tune this based on our interactions am aware of the consequences of
this proposal. I ask that if you find no interest in this project that you
should discard this mail. I ask that you do not be vindictive and
destructive. If my offer is of no appeal to you, delete this message and
forget I ever contacted you. 
 
 I wish to inform you that should you contact me via official channels; I
will deny knowing you and about this project. I repeat, I do not want you
contacting me through my official phone lines nor do I want you contacting
me through my official email account. Contact me only through the numbers I
will provide for you and also through this email address. I do not want any
direct link between you and myself. My official lines are not secured lines
as they are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer care in
line with our Total Quality Management Policy. Please observe this
instruction religiously.
 
 Do not betray my confidence. Kindly send your response to my private
email: thwalford11@voila.fr  
 
I await your response.
 
Mr. Thomas Walford

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Hi folks,

I'll be performing video improvisations with musicians and poets this 
Friday night at Outpost 186 in Cambridge. This series has been a gas.

Friday 20 June@ OUTPOST, 9pm $5/10
VORTEX series for new & improvised music presents:
The Vortex Other Dimension Ensemble in "Sounds in Bloom"
Todd Brunel - clarinets / John Mulrooney - poetry / Dennis Shafer - 
sax / Emiel Tobenfeld - spontaneous visual art / Diana Norma 
Szokaolyai - poet
A multi-faceted fusion of electro-acoustic music and sounds, 
augmenting words and visual images.

OUTPOST: 186 ? Hampshire St., Inman Sq. Cambridge - All Ages

OUTPOST DIRECTIONS: Near cr. Prospect, opposite Hess gas, behind 
7-11. Big '186' on R side. Follow walk at Left to gallery, REAR.

-- 
" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
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So I've been convinced to do a one-off gig with my guitar and looping
(see http://www.myspace.com/ionospherecastingshadows if you want to
check it out).

Issue:

My studio setup is:

Guitar -> Boss OC-2 octave -> Mesa Studio Preamp.

In the effects loop:
Lexicon Vortex + TC Electronic G Sharp

The output of this feeds a digital mixer which feeds a PowerMac G5
which is running Augustus Loop and from there I can do quite a lot.

That being said, for the gig I'd rather not drag the G5 out of
my studio to the stage which leads me to consider alternative setups:

I've got the following gear I could use for a live looping rig:

Mac G4 400 with Garageband + Augustus Loop
Behrenger 8 channel analog mixer
Roland JC-120 or PA or both.

I'd like to use the analog input/outputs on the G4 if I'm careful.
The only USB interface I have is a M Audio Fast Trak which is mono,
I want to go full stereo.

I'm wondering what the most effective setup would be since I'll be
playing guitar live and manipulating the looper as I play..

I've tried messing with the rig in various ways but I keep getting
horrible digital distortion which very well could be related to the
behrenger (admittedly it was given to me as a cast off from a friend).

Ideas?  Panic?  Forget it?  The show must go on!

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   I had the good fortune to see Daryl perform a couple of shows this =20=

past weekend and just want to encourage anyone on his tour route to =20
come on out and show some love! :)

   Firstly he's a phenomenal guitarist and looping artist.  Secondly, =20=

he's a phenomenal singer / song writer;  And thirdly, he's just =20
phenomenally fun to hang with!  lol!  -did I say phenomenal?  :)

   Anyway, yeah, we had good times and the shows were upbeat and fun!

=95 Echo Curio - Sat eve;

   The space was a way interesting lil art venue with some *very* down-=20=

to-earth proprietors and audience.  -Very open / supportive environment.

   Daryl played second in a trifecta of looping artists, (most people =20=

there were familiar with looping, though not with LD) all of whom =20
brought differing flavors to the table.  Daryl did a very cool glitchy =20=

cassette looping set, -also pitching and blending his looped melodies =20=

by adjusting tape speed / volume, seamlessly mixing his live playing =20
in real-time.  Tres cool sound manglage was had by all, with all of =20
the interesting tape regeneration effects going on!  -Very =20
wild!!!  :)  woohoo!!!

=95 AC Lounge - Sun eve;

   AC Lounge is a great / upscale space on the West Side, which =20
features live / local talent every Sunday evening.  :)  It's a nice =20
club, and they mix a *mean* Lemmondrop!  lol!  I mean, OMG!  was this =20=

thing heavy handed!  :)

   anyway, Daryl was on first this time, doing a great folk set, =20
sounding terrific!  He also did some acrobatics as well, which I'll =20
let him tell ya about if he wants!  :)  Anyway, the crowd loved him!

   He was followed by two other local folk artists; -also excellent, =20
though the crowd, by the third artist, began to get a bit louder, but =20=

the house sound didn't keep up.  I'd have liked to hear that =20
performance a bit louder, but that was soon made up for with the last =20=

two bands which were exceedingly loud.  By that point though, the =20
crowd got a bit too much like the usual bar crowd for my tastes, and I =20=

baled.  I must say though, that I think it's way cool that the AC =20
Lounge supports the variety of music I heard last night!  Kudos to =20
them!=85

   anyway, the practical upshot of all this is simply - GO SEE =20
DARYL!!!  :)  that is your mission, should you choose to accept it!  :)

   Have an awesome evening and hope y'all will send along notes as the =20=

tour progresses?=85  Would love to read them.

   Have a lovely, and talk witchy'all soon!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)
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I have only one things to say... YOU GEEK!

Why dont you write a bidule patch that recognises pressure and heat, and
have small sensors surgically implanted in your finger tips, you could have
a USB socket implanted in a suitable place... say the elbow?

:+)

m

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> HI,
>
> One thing I wanted to do with my EDP, but wasn't able to because it
> could not hold enough programs in memory, was to have just one foot
> pedal button but change program in the EDP to have this foot button
> take on different commands. Now I have moved my looper and effect
> patches into a laptop I can finally make that old wish come true. But
> I don't know about any "one button foot floor pedal" that is available
> on the market. Any hints?
>
> What I need is one small box that sends just one MIDI event. I have no
> wish for any special MIDI event - it can be a midi note, a program
> change, a control value or whatever - I'll make a Bidule patch that
> redirects it to the event needed for the looper.
>
> Aren't there cheap USB buttons one may use? I'd actually prefer that
> before MIDI.
>
> Or what really would be cool is to use an analog foot button pad, just
> like those switchers that come with cheap synth keyboards, that are
> used for the sustain pedal function. If I could connect one such
> switcher to a phantom powered mic input on the audio interface and
> mock up something in Bidule that recognizes the change in voltage and
> creates an event in the software. Wow, I just don't know enough about
> electricity and cables and stuff, but wouldn't that work in some way?
>
> I'm thinking about rearranging my looping rig to get rid of the FCB
> and only use ONE tiny pedal button that only sends one MIDI event,
> accompanied by a hand button pad. On the hand button pad I press one
> button to tell the laptop what the next foot press means and when I
> kick the pedal my looper/fx is executing the command I armed it for by
> the the finger button pressing. I think that will be a feasible
> solution to traveling with light luggage and also setting up on stage
> in 60 seconds (... well, almost...). I will keep this mini rig in
> parallel to my FCB, so I can use both depending on circumstances.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>


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I have only one things to say... YOU GEEK!<br><br>Why dont you write a bidule patch that recognises pressure and heat, and have small sensors surgically implanted in your finger tips, you could have a USB socket implanted in a suitable place... say the elbow?<br>
<br>:+)<br><br>m<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
HI,<br>
<br>
One thing I wanted to do with my EDP, but wasn&#39;t able to because it<br>
could not hold enough programs in memory, was to have just one foot<br>
pedal button but change program in the EDP to have this foot button<br>
take on different commands. Now I have moved my looper and effect<br>
patches into a laptop I can finally make that old wish come true. But<br>
I don&#39;t know about any &quot;one button foot floor pedal&quot; that is available<br>
on the market. Any hints?<br>
<br>
What I need is one small box that sends just one MIDI event. I have no<br>
wish for any special MIDI event - it can be a midi note, a program<br>
change, a control value or whatever - I&#39;ll make a Bidule patch that<br>
redirects it to the event needed for the looper.<br>
<br>
Aren&#39;t there cheap USB buttons one may use? I&#39;d actually prefer that<br>
before MIDI.<br>
<br>
Or what really would be cool is to use an analog foot button pad, just<br>
like those switchers that come with cheap synth keyboards, that are<br>
used for the sustain pedal function. If I could connect one such<br>
switcher to a phantom powered mic input on the audio interface and<br>
mock up something in Bidule that recognizes the change in voltage and<br>
creates an event in the software. Wow, I just don&#39;t know enough about<br>
electricity and cables and stuff, but wouldn&#39;t that work in some way?<br>
<br>
I&#39;m thinking about rearranging my looping rig to get rid of the FCB<br>
and only use ONE tiny pedal button that only sends one MIDI event,<br>
accompanied by a hand button pad. On the hand button pad I press one<br>
button to tell the laptop what the next foot press means and when I<br>
kick the pedal my looper/fx is executing the command I armed it for by<br>
the the finger button pressing. I think that will be a feasible<br>
solution to traveling with light luggage and also setting up on stage<br>
in 60 seconds (... well, almost...). I will keep this mini rig in<br>
parallel to my FCB, so I can use both depending on circumstances.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no">www.looop.no</a>

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>any "one button foot floor pedal" that is available

Here's an article about a DIY USB footpedal...

http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/10/16/1252/3782

You could easily make a one button version using this idea.


Rick Williamson



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Hi Todd, nice soundscapes on your site !

Fabio
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> So I've been convinced to do a one-off gig with my guitar and looping
> (see http://www.myspace.com/ionospherecastingshadows if you want to
> check it out).
>
> Issue:
>
> My studio setup is:
>
> Guitar -> Boss OC-2 octave -> Mesa Studio Preamp.
>
> In the effects loop:
> Lexicon Vortex + TC Electronic G Sharp
>
> The output of this feeds a digital mixer which feeds a PowerMac G5
> which is running Augustus Loop and from there I can do quite a lot.
>
> That being said, for the gig I'd rather not drag the G5 out of
> my studio to the stage which leads me to consider alternative setups:
>
> I've got the following gear I could use for a live looping rig:
>
> Mac G4 400 with Garageband + Augustus Loop
> Behrenger 8 channel analog mixer
> Roland JC-120 or PA or both.
>
> I'd like to use the analog input/outputs on the G4 if I'm careful.
> The only USB interface I have is a M Audio Fast Trak which is mono,
> I want to go full stereo.
>
> I'm wondering what the most effective setup would be since I'll be
> playing guitar live and manipulating the looper as I play..
>
> I've tried messing with the rig in various ways but I keep getting
> horrible digital distortion which very well could be related to the
> behrenger (admittedly it was given to me as a cast off from a friend).
>
> Ideas?  Panic?  Forget it?  The show must go on!
>
>
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<DIV>I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of months. I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds awesome. My question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for how you want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try to repeat&nbsp;songs which&nbsp;are on your CD?</DIV>
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<DIV>I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in which I start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face in a live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is a very good listener but biased).</DIV>
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Hi E

I'm using a sequencer (yamaha RS7000) for the songs which contains =
samples and to sync my Echoplex.
I can switch by hand which part of the song I want to play next, and the =
Echoplex stays in sync.
These blocks of music in the sequencer are the basics for my songs where =
I can play my loops ontop.
Beside that I like to improvise a lot (from scratch).

Simon | Projekt67
The Netherlands

www.projekt67.com



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Hi Loopers,

I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of =
months. I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds =
awesome. My question to those that perform live is, is each performance =
you do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for =
how you want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, =
do you try to repeat songs which are on your CD?

I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic =
preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in =
which I start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. =
However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling =
flat on my face in a live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am =
playing and she is a very good listener but biased).

Many thanks in advance for your responses.

E

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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:59 PM</DIV>
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:59 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Loopers,
>
> I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of months.
> I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds awesome. My
> question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do
> completely spontaneous?


Some are. Some are not. Which way I play depends on the type of gig I'm on.

> Or do you start out with a framework for how you
> want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try
> to repeat songs which are on your CD?

I've done that in the past, but very rarely these days. Today I'm
playing instrumental music with a point in being improvised, so it is
actually more common that I take care to stay away from previously
recorded material.

Typical "frameworks" I like to start out with may be "noisy, loud and
atonal" or "softly and slowly creating a B minor add 9 from silence".


> I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic
> preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in which I
> start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there.

Whatever noise I may create on-the-spot (tabula rasa) I always have at
least a dozen instant "plans" on where I can go from there. As an
improviser (or rather "instant composer") it is one of my biggest
interest to learn and experiment with improvisational strategies. All
these blueprints for possible music live in the back of my mind and
are present in every micro moment of the improvisation. This makes it
easy for me to switch over from one "future scenario" into another one
and what happens in that very moment is that my complete vision of the
nearest thirty to sixty seconds of music is totally replaced. It's
like teleporting directly from full speed on Route 66 to full speed on
Berlin Autobahn. Since all those maps are already existing I need no
time to adapt to a new landscape, I just go with the flow that is
already blowing.

Some imaginative parameters I'm working with when improvising are:

- Pace (how often will I introduce a new "cell"? How long will I
permit them to stay around and develop?)
- Transits (going into another landscape, how fast am I doing the
teleporting, can I do it in slo-mo?)
- Dense of sound (how many frequency bands am I filling up?)
- Chaos/Order direction (am I breaking music apart of am I building music up?)
- Gravitation (shall I emphasize a tonal center, as "the key", or
shall I prevent a tonal center to be felt in the music?)
- Chord analysis (what chords structures am I implying with my melody
line playing? Shall I sonically create those chords by layering my
instrument in a loop or shall I just create them in the mind of the
listener by implementing them by the way I play melodies? Balancing
the fighting against and the smoothing along with such chord
structures)
- Random

These are of course almost the same "intellectual tools" used for
ensemble improvisation with other musicians, but I've found that you
learn faster when looping - because the big point in learning is to
make and correct mistakes. You immediately hear your own mistakes when
they loop back in your face ;-)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Quoting E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com>:
>
> My question to those that perform live is, is each  performance you =20
> do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with  a framework for =20
> how you want to build a song. For example, for those  who have a CD =20
> out, do you try to repeat=A0songs which=A0are on your CD?
> I realize there are probably many different answers based on  =20
> artistic preference...
>
As you noted, there are many approaches to live-looping.

I compose all of my work -- every note is written out.  I automate all =20
of the loop actions via MIDI and VST automation.  Thus, my =20
live-performance will be nearly identical to a recorded performance.

While I haven't ruled out improvisation in the future, my emphasis is =20
on creating pattern/loop-based compositions.

All the best to you!

-- Kevin

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> I've tried messing with the rig in various ways but I keep 
> getting horrible digital distortion which very well could be 
> related to the behrenger (admittedly it was given to me as a 
> cast off from a friend).

The way I understand you, the Behringer is an analogue console, so how would
you get what you call "digital distortion" from it? (I guess you mean the
kind of distortion you get when you drive (cheap) A/D converters with too
hot a signal).

One device that is well-known for having not enough headroom and reacting
ugly to even very short spikes is the Vortex (Eighties' converters), but I
would believe that you already thought about that. Then of course, the
Fasttrack may also be the culprit (depending on how its inputs are
configured and with which source you hit it).

Although both the OC2 and the G# are digital devices, I would rather not
expect them to show the problems you describe - both of them have sufficient
headroom to allow you even to feed a +4dB signal into an input designed for
-10dB signals.

An approach would be to analyze your gain structure using a VU or peak meter
and comparing your readings with the required levels of each device. Then
use input and/or output gain where available.

	Rainer

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You know, I was looking for something quite similar to this. For
simple laptop looping, I could use my looper and a single (or two)
buttons - although a compact 4-button footswitch could give me an
amazing amt of basic functionality.

Of course, on the opposite end of the spectrum, the biggest issue I
have with my home-grown looper is how to map all the functionality to
the limited 10-buttons and two pedals of the FCB! i think ultimately
that the only satisfactory controller will be a microphone with voice
recognition. (of course, without a footswitch input, i'd have no way
to toggle because command mode and sound input mode, so i'd need to
wear *2* headset mics....)

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:27 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
> I have only one things to say... YOU GEEK!
>
> Why dont you write a bidule patch that recognises pressure and heat, and
> have small sensors surgically implanted in your finger tips, you could have
> a USB socket implanted in a suitable place... say the elbow?
>
> :+)
>
> m
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>>
>> One thing I wanted to do with my EDP, but wasn't able to because it
>> could not hold enough programs in memory, was to have just one foot
>> pedal button but change program in the EDP to have this foot button
>> take on different commands. Now I have moved my looper and effect
>> patches into a laptop I can finally make that old wish come true. But
>> I don't know about any "one button foot floor pedal" that is available
>> on the market. Any hints?
>>
>> What I need is one small box that sends just one MIDI event. I have no
>> wish for any special MIDI event - it can be a midi note, a program
>> change, a control value or whatever - I'll make a Bidule patch that
>> redirects it to the event needed for the looper.
>>
>> Aren't there cheap USB buttons one may use? I'd actually prefer that
>> before MIDI.
>>
>> Or what really would be cool is to use an analog foot button pad, just
>> like those switchers that come with cheap synth keyboards, that are
>> used for the sustain pedal function. If I could connect one such
>> switcher to a phantom powered mic input on the audio interface and
>> mock up something in Bidule that recognizes the change in voltage and
>> creates an event in the software. Wow, I just don't know enough about
>> electricity and cables and stuff, but wouldn't that work in some way?
>>
>> I'm thinking about rearranging my looping rig to get rid of the FCB
>> and only use ONE tiny pedal button that only sends one MIDI event,
>> accompanied by a hand button pad. On the hand button pad I press one
>> button to tell the laptop what the next foot press means and when I
>> kick the pedal my looper/fx is executing the command I armed it for by
>> the the finger button pressing. I think that will be a feasible
>> solution to traveling with light luggage and also setting up on stage
>> in 60 seconds (... well, almost...). I will keep this mini rig in
>> parallel to my FCB, so I can use both depending on circumstances.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>>
>
>
>
> --
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.looop.no

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Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later
point?

I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them
at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a loop in
the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my
disposal for later use.

I essentially want to use the sequencer in the way you are, but without
having the parts pre-recorded. It seems like it would make life easier if I
did have them pre-recorded though, and no one would know, since the loop
segment would have been played at one point or another. Hmm!

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, projektGmail <projekt67@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi E
>
> I'm using a sequencer (yamaha RS7000) for the songs which contains samples
> and to sync my Echoplex.
> I can switch by hand which part of the song I want to play next, and the
> Echoplex stays in sync.
> These blocks of music in the sequencer are the basics for my songs where I
> can play my loops ontop.
> Beside that I like to improvise a lot (from scratch).
>
> Simon | Projekt67
> The Netherlands
>
> www.projekt67.com
>
>
>  *From:* E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:59 PM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* Live Looping Strategy
>
>  Hi Loopers,
>
> I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of months.
> I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds awesome. My
> question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do
> completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for how you
> want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try
> to repeat songs which are on your CD?
>
> I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic
> preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in which I
> start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However the
> lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face
> in a live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is
> a very good listener but biased).
>
> Many thanks in advance for your responses.
>
> E
>
>

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Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later point?<br><br>I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>
<br>I essentially want to use the sequencer in the way you are, but without having the parts pre-recorded. It seems like it would make life easier if I did have them pre-recorded though, and no one would know, since the loop segment would have been played at one point or another. Hmm!<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, projektGmail &lt;<a href="mailto:projekt67@gmail.com">projekt67@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div style="padding-right: 10px; padding-left: 10px; padding-top: 15px;" bgcolor="#ffffff" name="Compose message area">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi E</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I&#39;m using a sequencer (yamaha RS7000) for the songs 
which contains samples and to sync my Echoplex.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I can switch by hand which part of the song I want 
to play next, and the Echoplex stays in sync.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">These blocks of music in the sequencer are the 
basics for my songs where I can play my loops ontop.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Beside that I like to improvise a lot (from 
scratch).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Simon | Projekt67</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The Netherlands</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.projekt67.com" target="_blank">www.projekt67.com</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="slapbandjam@yahoo.com" href="mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com" target="_blank">E Gross</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:59 PM</div>
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Druk op CTRL en klik als je de link wilt volgen" href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target="_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a> 
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Live Looping Strategy</div></div></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
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<div>Hi Loopers,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of months. 
I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds awesome. My 
question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do completely 
spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for how you want to build a 
song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try to repeat&nbsp;songs 
which&nbsp;are on your CD?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic 
preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in which I 
start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However the lack of 
pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face in a live 
setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is a very good 
listener but biased).</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Many thanks in advance for your responses.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>E</div></div><br></div></div></div>
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You are aware that the EDP loses all loops when it powers down, right?

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later
> point?
>
> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them
> at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a loop in
> the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my
> disposal for later use.
>
>
>>
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You are aware that the EDP loses all loops when it powers down, right?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later point?<br><br>I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>

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I just wanted to drop a line and tell you about a gig I have this
Friday night. I have a special duet performance with pianist, Motoko
Honda @ Cafe Metropol, a great restaurant/club in downtown. On the
bill is also the fantastic guitarist, Andre LaFosse playing his
unique style of "turntablist" guitar (not to be missed) and from New
York we have violinist, Todd Reynolds playing a solo set, enhanced
with electronics. Hope to see you there!

Friday, June 20th, 2008

Rocco In LA Presents (http://www.roccoinla.com)

"21st Century Solos and Duets... explorations in electro/acoustics"

Cafe Metropol
8:00pm
923 E. 3rd St.
Los Angeles, CA 90013
213.613.1537

Price: $10.00

with:

Andre LaFosse- Turntablist Guitar

Todd Reynolds- Violin and Electronics

Motoko Honda/Daren Burns- Bass and Piano duet with electronics

Todd Reynolds (www.toddreynolds.com)
Composer, conductor, arranger, violinist and electronic musician, is
a veteran of the New York City music scene, and a longtime touring
and recording member member of Bang On A Can, Steve Reich and
Musicians and Yo-Yo Ma's Silk Road Project . Collaborations run the
gamut from Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson to Kenny Werner and Betty
Buckley to Meredith Monk and Scanner. His solo sets on tour opening
for Indie sensations, The Books, and his affiliation with and use of
the music software phenomenon Ableton Live have opened his unique
blend of "classically- improvised-quantum-ambient-electronica" to a
new and wider audience. His commitment to genre-bending and
technology-driven innovation in music continues to produce
innumerable collaborations with artists that regularly cross musical
and disciplinary boundaries, regularly placing him in venues from
clubs to concert halls around the world.


Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com)
Andre LaFosse calls his performance style 'turntablist guitar': a
post-DJ, non-linear cut-up of hip-hop, avante garde, and dance
music... that just happens to come from a solo elecric guitar.
LaFosse has played and/or shared performance bills with David Torn,
Michael Manring, Mike Keneally, Carl Stone, G. E. Stinson, Steuart
Liebig, and many others. His work has been profiled in numerous print
and online media, including Guitar Player, Electronic Musician, MOJO,
Alternative Press, Time Out New York, and Expose'. LaFosse has
performed at the 2004 and 2006 editions of the New York Guitar
Festival, and was the subject of an episode of "New Sounds" on New
York's WNYC radio.


Daren Burns (www.darenburns.com)
Daren is a unique electric bass player, composer, improviser and has
been playing and creating music for well over twenty years. Much of
his musical interest lies in the area of improvisation and how to
make systems for developing improvisation in new and unique ways. He
is working on notation systems which incorporate rock, world music,
jazz, noise with his open structured compositions that give the
musician freedom, while also giving the composer his fully realized
ideas. Over his career. Daren has shared the stage with Wadada Leo
Smith, Neil Sadler, Butch Morris, Mike Keneally, Nels Cline, Vinny
Golia, Jeff Kaiser, Andre LaFosse, John Bergamo, Randy Gloss, Chris
Opperman, and many, many others.


Motoko Honda (http://www.myspace.com/motokohonda)
Motoko currently lives in downtown Los Angeles, CA, she is a founding
member of Los Angeles Piano Unit, a group dedicated to perform all
kinds of piano music from classical to experimental. She is also a
member of M. Rare Trio, and a founder of Okiro music Series and
Ensemble. She is currently working on the "Sound Escape Project", an
experimental collaboration with some of the greatest improvisers in
the world.

Daren Burns
Bass Player/Composer/Teacher/Good Guy
http://www.darenburns.com
(818) 693-1734





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I am best known as a blues musician (working in a non-looping trio), but my
weekly solo gigs allow me room to play and sing blues standards and
originals, any of which can be extended into a guitar jam on the EDP.  This
is all fun, but exploring both jazz and ambient areas really lends
creativity to the gigs and I enjoy morphing back and forth between spacious
soundscapes or rhythmic trances and more traditional blues/r&b fare.

 

One of my favorite things to do is to pretend the scene in front of my eyes
is a film and that I'm composing the score for it on the spot.  Glancing
around the room offers so many different facets of human experience-a couple
arguing, one party secretly watching another, smiles that are widening from
regard into romance, a lonesome stare into the ever-present television, wait
staff plying in a variety of moods-that offer motifs to be interpreted into
the Echoplex.  It's especially nice when a long piece that has evolved
through several movements and textures draws a question from a listener:
"What was the name of that last thing you played?  It was like a symphony."

 

Out of this, some things do get repeated on different gigs and become a sort
of vernacular for a while, but then become lost later.  I had one piece that
evolved around the Christmas holidays several years ago that even presented
my mind with a title:  'There Used To Be Bells.'  One of my regular
listeners got quite attached to it and requested it regularly, but in her
absence it has been forgotten.  I attempted to recall it this past
winter-but no luck.

 

dave 

 

micdave@hiwaay.net 

 

 

  _____  

From: E Gross [mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:00 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Live Looping Strategy

 

Hi Loopers,

 

I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of months.
I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds awesome. My
question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do
completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for how you
want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try
to repeat songs which are on your CD?

 

I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic
preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in which I
start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However the
lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face
in a live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is
a very good listener but biased).

 

Many thanks in advance for your responses.

 

E

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I am best known as a blues =
musician
(working in a non-looping trio), but my weekly solo gigs allow me room =
to play
and sing blues standards and originals, any of which can be extended =
into a
guitar jam on the EDP.&nbsp; This is all fun, but exploring both jazz =
and
ambient areas really lends creativity to the gigs and I enjoy morphing =
back and
forth between spacious soundscapes or rhythmic trances and more =
traditional
blues/r&amp;b fare.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>One of my favorite things to do =
is to
pretend the scene in front of my eyes is a film and that I&#8217;m =
composing
the score for it on the spot.&nbsp; Glancing around the room offers so =
many
different facets of human experience&#8212;a couple arguing, one party =
secretly
watching another, smiles that are widening from regard into romance, a =
lonesome
stare into the ever-present television, wait staff plying in a variety =
of moods&#8212;that
offer motifs to be interpreted into the Echoplex.&nbsp; It&#8217;s =
especially
nice when a long piece that has evolved through several movements and =
textures
draws a question from a listener:&nbsp; &#8220;What was the name of that =
last
thing you played?&nbsp; It was like a =
symphony.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Out of this, some things do get =
repeated
on different gigs and become a sort of vernacular for a while, but then =
become
lost later.&nbsp; I had one piece that evolved around the Christmas =
holidays
several years ago that even presented my mind with a title:&nbsp; =
&#8216;There
Used To Be Bells.&#8217;&nbsp; One of my regular listeners got quite =
attached
to it and requested it regularly, but in her absence it has been
forgotten.&nbsp; I attempted to recall it this past winter&#8212;but no =
luck.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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Gross
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 17, =
2008 12:00
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Live Looping =
Strategy</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple =
of
months. I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds =
awesome.
My question to those that perform live is, is each performance you do
completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for how you =
want
to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, do you try to
repeat&nbsp;songs which&nbsp;are on your =
CD?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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artistic
preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in =
which I
start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However the =
lack
of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face =
in a
live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is a =
very
good listener but biased).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Many thanks in advance for your =
responses.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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Yup, I know that the EDP clears all of the loops once you shut it down.

I might end up buying a sequencer, pre-record each loop for the various
instruments, and then assign them to a button. I'd like to keep everything
live though, without pre-recorded loops, but it seems that setting this up
might be a bit complicated. Essentially, I want to record a loop on the edp,
send that audio to the sequencer, assign 'loop x' to 'button x' and be able
to trigger/mute 'loop x' at my discretion. It would be a lot easier than
copying each loop to the next loop (loopcopy), and trying to undo/replace
certain parts of a particular loop.

Is there any way to run this kind of setup live? I know that the audience
wouldn't be able to tell that I have pre-recorded loops, since I will
eventually be playing each loop at some point in the song, i.e. I will never
run into an instance where the loop is triggered without me actually playing
it first.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> You are aware that the EDP loses all loops when it powers down, right?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later
>> point?
>>
>> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger
>> them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a loop
>> in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at
>> my disposal for later use.
>>
>>
>>>
>>
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Yup, I know that the EDP clears all of the loops once you shut it down.<br><br>I might end up buying a sequencer, pre-record each loop for the various instruments, and then assign them to a button. I&#39;d like to keep everything live though, without pre-recorded loops, but it seems that setting this up might be a bit complicated. Essentially, I want to record a loop on the edp, send that audio to the sequencer, assign &#39;loop x&#39; to &#39;button x&#39; and be able to trigger/mute &#39;loop x&#39; at my discretion. It would be a lot easier than copying each loop to the next loop (loopcopy), and trying to undo/replace certain parts of a particular loop.<br>
<br>Is there any way to run this kind of setup live? I know that the audience wouldn&#39;t be able to tell that I have pre-recorded loops, since I will eventually be playing each loop at some point in the song, i.e. I will never run into an instance where the loop is triggered without me actually playing it first.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You are aware that the EDP loses all loops when it powers down, right?<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later point?<br><br>I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>


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Cara, I'm immensely flattered, thanks for all the nice words. 
Especially, thanks for coming out to two shows and being great company!

Heh...my acrobatics involved starting my first tune with a foot on a 
chair, which I often do for instrumental tunes since I can prop up the 
guitar a bit closer to my face for the more intricate stuff. But halfway 
through, I felt inspired to rock out, and stood up on both feet. The 
resulting pull on my strap was enough to make it pop off my axe, sending 
it careening in the direction of the floor. I tried to reorient myself 
with a foot on the chair, but instead gave it a real good kick, sending 
it out of reach. I was lucky enough to snag a few right-hand fingers on 
the strings to prevent my Takamine from gouging a divot in the stage 
floor, did a little hop over to the now-distant chair, and after what 
seemed an eternity of clawing-at-catgut sounds and general laughter from 
those assembled, managed to put two hands on the guitar at the same time 
and finished my wrecked tune. Great way to start!

I'll echo that Echo Curio is a super-supportive place, I recommend it 
highly to anyone wishing to loop live in LA.

I'm trying to keep up on a regular tour diary 
here...http://www.swanwelder.com/blog/blog.htm

thanks again Cara...!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com

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I play songs oretty much the same as my CD with improvised solos plus  
usually some kind of looped harmonised outro/improvisation thing.   
Lately i've added some noise effects from a whammy pedal and i've got  
an EDP which I can't use yet!!!


Matt Stevens
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On 17 Jun 2008, at 17:59, E Gross wrote:

> Hi Loopers,
>
> I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of  
> months. I have checked out lots of your available music, which  
> sounds awesome. My question to those that perform live is, is each  
> performance you do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with  
> a framework for how you want to build a song. For example, for  
> those who have a CD out, do you try to repeat songs which are on  
> your CD?
>
> I realize there are probably many different answers based on  
> artistic preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa  
> method, in which I start playing whatever comes to mind and take it  
> from there. However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the  
> possibility of falling flat on my face in a live setting (right now  
> only my dog hears what I am playing and she is a very good listener  
> but biased).
>
> Many thanks in advance for your responses.
>
> E
>
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I play songs oretty much the same as my CD with improvised solos plus =
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=A0Lately i've added some noise effects from a whammy pedal and i've got =
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at 17:59, E Gross wrote:</div><br =
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past couple of months. I have checked out lots of your available music, =
which sounds awesome. My question to those that perform live is, is each =
performance you do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a =
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However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling =
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   Are you talking about recording loops on the EDP and using them =20
later in the same performance by triggering them from a sequencer?  =20
Otherwise, simply using a sequencer and an EDP won't give you what you =20=

want.  I.E.  a sequencer cannot store loops.  So, when you mention off-=20=

loading loops to a sequencer, the only way this will work is if you =20
have some other way to store a loop.  Is the seq you're thinking of a =20=

part of a sampler or keyboard?  -Is it a stand-alone sequencer?  -Part =20=

of an audio app on a computer?=85  Forgive me if you're already aware of =
=20
all this, but I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'send the audio =20=

to a sequencer' and I'm trying to understand what you're wanting to do.

   Anyway, have an awesome day!=85



Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:37 AM, marcus kirby wrote:

> Yup, I know that the EDP clears all of the loops once you shut it =20
> down.
>
> I might end up buying a sequencer, pre-record each loop for the =20
> various instruments, and then assign them to a button. I'd like to =20
> keep everything live though, without pre-recorded loops, but it =20
> seems that setting this up might be a bit complicated. Essentially, =20=

> I want to record a loop on the edp, send that audio to the =20
> sequencer, assign 'loop x' to 'button x' and be able to trigger/mute =20=

> 'loop x' at my discretion. It would be a lot easier than copying =20
> each loop to the next loop (loopcopy), and trying to undo/replace =20
> certain parts of a particular loop.
>
> Is there any way to run this kind of setup live? I know that the =20
> audience wouldn't be able to tell that I have pre-recorded loops, =20
> since I will eventually be playing each loop at some point in the =20
> song, i.e. I will never run into an instance where the loop is =20
> triggered without me actually playing it first.
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Travis Hartnett =
<travishartnett@gmail.com=20
> > wrote:
> You are aware that the EDP loses all loops when it powers down, right?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:11 AM, marcus kirby =20
> <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a =20
> later point?
>
> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can =20
> trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible =20
> to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then =20=

> have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.
>
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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you talking =
about recording loops on the EDP and using them later in the same =
performance by triggering them from a sequencer? &nbsp;Otherwise, simply =
using a sequencer and an EDP won't give you what you want. &nbsp;I.E. =
&nbsp;a sequencer cannot store loops. &nbsp;So, when you mention =
off-loading loops to a sequencer, the only way this will work is if you =
have some other way to store a loop. &nbsp;Is the seq you're thinking of =
a part of a sampler or keyboard? &nbsp;-Is it a stand-alone sequencer? =
&nbsp;-Part of an audio app on a computer?=85 &nbsp;Forgive me if you're =
already aware of all this, but I'm not sure what you mean when you say =
'send the audio to a sequencer' and I'm trying to understand what you're =
wanting to do. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;Anyway, have an =
awesome day!=85 =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div>Smiles,</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Cara &nbsp;:)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On =
Jun 17, 2008, at 11:37 AM, marcus kirby wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Yup, I =
know that the EDP clears all of the loops once you shut it =
down.<br><br>I might end up buying a sequencer, pre-record each loop for =
the various instruments, and then assign them to a button. I'd like to =
keep everything live though, without pre-recorded loops, but it seems =
that setting this up might be a bit complicated. Essentially, I want to =
record a loop on the edp, send that audio to the sequencer, assign 'loop =
x' to 'button x' and be able to trigger/mute 'loop x' at my discretion. =
It would be a lot easier than copying each loop to the next loop =
(loopcopy), and trying to undo/replace certain parts of a particular =
loop.<br> <br>Is there any way to run this kind of setup live? I know =
that the audience wouldn't be able to tell that I have pre-recorded =
loops, since I will eventually be playing each loop at some point in the =
song, i.e. I will never run into an instance where the loop is triggered =
without me actually playing it first.<br> <br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Travis Hartnett =
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>	I just wanted to drop a line and tell you about a gig I have this
>	Friday night. I have a special duet performance with pianist, Motoko
>	Honda @ Cafe Metropol, a great restaurant/club in downtown. On the

Way to go, Daren! I remember with joy my Saturday headlining slot at BEMF3
where Motoko agreed to sit in with me. So for everyone still hestitaing: go
to see that concert!

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 Happy Tuesday folks...

*This coming Friday in Williamsburg...*

June 20th at 10pm, sitarist Roger
Lipson<http://www.myspace.com/peacefulone>and myself will be appearing
in an evening of collaborative music improv at
the Stain <http://www.stainbar.com/> in Brooklyn (Williamsburg).

The Stain is a bar and arts performance space located at 766 Grand Street
near the L Train stop at Grand.  No cover for this show but a suggested
donation of $4 is encouraged.

*Chinapainting returns to the stage in July...*

Coming up next month the
Chinapainting<http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic>duo returns to
the northeast for it's 3rd mini-tour.  Chinapainting is the
World experimental acoustic guitar tape looping Daryl Shawn and I founded a
little over two years ago.

Chinapainting will be appearing at the above mentioned
Stain<http://www.stainbar.com/>(Brooklyn) on July 26th at 10pm, ABC
No Rio <http://www.abcnorio.org/> (Manhattan) July 27th time TBA, Naked
Music Series <http://www.myspace.com/nakedmudmusic> at the
MudSpot<http://www.mudcoffee.com/>(Manhattan) July 28th at 8pm and at
the
Nave <http://artsomerville.org/nave/nave_info.html> (Boston) August 2nd time
TBA. This latter show will be a mini-festival with several members of the
web community Loopers-Delight.com <http://loopers-delight.com/>.
*Promotional and Wares...*
**
For information and purchasing of my solo and project CD's visit the Jim
Goodin CD Store <http://kunaki.com/msales.asp?PublisherId=111931>.  For
information on my guitar technique book published earlier this year by Mel
Bay Publications, Inc., visit DADGAD
Encyclopedia<http://www.melbay.com/product.asp?ProductID=99934BCD&Title=&mediatype=&Author=&Series=&Difoverall=&Publisher=&Category=&SongTitle=&TypeOfSearch=keyword>
.

I have several performance videos on YouTube including a new one with my
violin work at http://www.youtube.com/user/jimgoodinmusic.  Chinapainting
videos are at http://www.youtube.com/user/chinapainting and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHkQEfkKYvk.

Lastly my sites, www.jimgoodinmusic.com, www.chinapaintingmusic.com,
www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic, www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro,
www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic and www.myspace.com/eastofwhere.

Have a great week and hope to see you Friday at our show in Williamsburg...

Jim

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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>Happy Tuesday folks...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>This coming Friday in Williamsburg...</em></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>June 20th at 10pm, sitarist <a href="http://www.myspace.com/peacefulone" target="_blank">Roger Lipson</a> and myself will be appearing in an evening of collaborative&nbsp;music improv at the <a href="http://www.stainbar.com/" target="_blank">Stain</a> in Brooklyn (Williamsburg).</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The Stain is a bar and arts performance space located at 766 Grand Street near the L Train stop at Grand.&nbsp; No cover for this show but&nbsp;a suggested donation of $4 is encouraged.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><em>Chinapainting returns to the stage in July...</em></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Coming up next month the <a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic" target="_blank">Chinapainting</a> duo returns to the northeast for it&#39;s 3rd mini-tour.&nbsp; Chinapainting is the World experimental acoustic guitar tape looping Daryl Shawn and I founded a little over two years ago.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Chinapainting&nbsp;will be appearing at the above mentioned <a href="http://www.stainbar.com/" target="_blank">Stain</a> (Brooklyn) on July 26th at 10pm, <a href="http://www.abcnorio.org/" target="_blank">ABC No Rio</a> (Manhattan) July 27th time TBA, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/nakedmudmusic" target="_blank">Naked Music Series</a> at the <a href="http://www.mudcoffee.com/" target="_blank">MudSpot</a> (Manhattan) July 28th at 8pm and at the <a href="http://artsomerville.org/nave/nave_info.html" target="_blank">Nave</a> (Boston) August 2nd time TBA. This latter show will be&nbsp;a mini-festival with several members of the web community <a href="http://loopers-delight.com/" target="_blank">Loopers-Delight.com</a>.<br clear="all">
</div>
<div><em>Promotional and Wares...</em></div>
<div><em></em>&nbsp;</div>
<div>For information and purchasing of my solo and project CD&#39;s visit the <a href="http://kunaki.com/msales.asp?PublisherId=111931" target="_blank">Jim Goodin CD Store</a>.&nbsp; For information on my guitar technique book published earlier this year by Mel Bay Publications, Inc., visit <a href="http://www.melbay.com/product.asp?ProductID=99934BCD&amp;Title=&amp;mediatype=&amp;Author=&amp;Series=&amp;Difoverall=&amp;Publisher=&amp;Category=&amp;SongTitle=&amp;TypeOfSearch=keyword" target="_blank">DADGAD Encyclopedia</a>.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I have several performance videos on YouTube including a new one with my violin work at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/jimgoodinmusic" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/jimgoodinmusic</a>.&nbsp; Chinapainting videos are at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/chinapainting" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/chinapainting</a>&nbsp;and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHkQEfkKYvk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHkQEfkKYvk</a>.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Lastly my sites, <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com/" target="_blank">www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a>, <a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com/" target="_blank">www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a>, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a>, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro</a>, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic</a> and <a href="http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/eastofwhere</a>.</div>

<div><br>Have a great week and hope to see you Friday at our show in Williamsburg...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div><font color="#888888">
<div>Jim</div></font></div>

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I would echo that, I (and duo colleague Will
Romano<http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere>)
had the pleasure of being in a NinJam collab with Motoko and Emily Hay at
Boisefest, it was incredibly inspiring to work with them...

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <
rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:

> >       I just wanted to drop a line and tell you about a gig I have this
> >       Friday night. I have a special duet performance with pianist,
> Motoko
> >       Honda @ Cafe Metropol, a great restaurant/club in downtown. On the
>
> Way to go, Daren! I remember with joy my Saturday headlining slot at BEMF3
> where Motoko agreed to sit in with me. So for everyone still hestitaing: go
> to see that concert!
>
>        Rainer
>
>


-- 
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MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
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Chinapainting on My Space -
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I would echo that, I (and duo colleague <a href="http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere">Will Romano</a>) had the pleasure of being in a NinJam collab with Motoko and Emily Hay at Boisefest, it was incredibly inspiring to work with them...<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill &lt;<a href="mailto:rs@moinlabs.de">rs@moinlabs.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I just wanted to drop a line and tell you about a gig I have this<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Friday night. I have a special duet performance with pianist, Motoko<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Honda @ Cafe Metropol, a great restaurant/club in downtown. On the<br>
<br></div>Way to go, Daren! I remember with joy my Saturday headlining slot at BEMF3<br>where Motoko agreed to sit in with me. So for everyone still hestitaing: go<br>to see that concert!<br><font color="#888888"><br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Rainer<br>
<br></font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - <a href="http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com">http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com</a><br>MySpace (solo) - <a href="http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic">http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic</a><br>
Chinapainting -<br><a href="http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>Chinapainting on My Space -<br><a href="http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com">http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com</a><br>
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - <a href="http://www.woodandwiremusic.com">http://www.woodandwiremusic.com</a> <br>Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - <a href="http://www.ghsstrings.com">http://www.ghsstrings.com</a> and Seagull Guitars - <a href="http://www.seagullguitars.com">http://www.seagullguitars.com</a>, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - <a href="http://www.melbay.com">http://www.melbay.com</a> 

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>
> However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling
> flat on my face in a live setting.
>

Personally I find that after 25 years of playing mostly improvised music,  I
am now completely used to falling flat on my face and my gigs are usually
15% pure brilliance and genius, 10% struggling with technology problems and
80% prostrate on the aforementioned face. I know I know, my math is out,
well THAT 5% is by cheating and having the loopers, sorry I mean real time
samplers (I prefer the term "Groovy rythym under mystical powers" or GRUMP
for short ) do their thing, or some weird tape of nose flutes or my son
talking backwards or my computer reading the bible... Ive even stopped a
loop that went horribly wrong and performed a magic trick just to ... well
you know... actually it wasnt a magic trick, just that strange story about a
chicken, with a towel.. what you mean you havent seen it?? Well there was
this chicken...

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<div>However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face in a live setting.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Personally
I find that after 25 years of playing mostly improvised music,&nbsp; I am
now completely used to falling flat on my face and my gigs are usually
15% pure brilliance and genius, 10% struggling with technology problems
and 80% prostrate on the aforementioned face. I know I know, my math is
out, well THAT 5% is by cheating and having the loopers, sorry I mean
real time samplers (I prefer the term &quot;Groovy rythym under mystical
powers&quot; or GRUMP for short ) do their thing, or some weird tape of nose
flutes or my son talking backwards or my computer reading the bible...
Ive even stopped a loop that went horribly wrong and performed a magic
trick just to ... well you know... actually it wasnt a magic trick,
just that strange story about a chicken, with a towel.. what you mean
you havent seen it?? Well there was this chicken...<br>
<br>m<br></div></div><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/" target="_blank">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no/" target="_blank">www.looop.no</a>
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Dear loopers,
I finally get to write a few words about my experience
at the Cologne and Konstanz Festival in Germany.
First of all i want to thank Michael Peters and his
wonderful wife for bringing us to the festival and
having us stay at their place.Everything went smooth
and was brilliantly organized,and everybody involved
in the crew was extremely helpful and friendly.the
show was succesfully well attended and received with
every sit taken in the house and there were even
expecators standing watching the show till the very
end.People also drove long distances from different
countries to see the show,and most of us musicians
sold CDs and came out of cologne with our expenses
covered plus x-tra fee.
For me was specially it was a great experience 
sharing the stage with nine loopers and getting to
know personally the ones that are on this
list.Everyones set was brilliant,i myself was not
quite satisfied with mine since i had to reduce my
equipment to be able to travel by train and because i
was dealing with 2 pieces of new equipment which
caused some technical problems at the begining of the
show.Nevertheless i got through it somehow and was
suprised at the reaction of some people who came after
the show to kindly give me positive feedback.
I followed up playing in the loop show in Konstanz
Germany which i organized featuring Rick Walker which
went really well, but due to the current football
craze and nice weather on that particular day it was
less attended than expected.But we still had about 20
people some who also drove from far away to see us and
we were very well received with positive reviews on
the local papers.
I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
pople on this list and spending time sharing time
together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
is worth the effort!
cheers to all of you looping friends who were at the
shows!
Luis
 

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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Not one to be accused of being tardy, or out of date, or slow. I got myself
hold of the 2 OS for Repeater recently (nudge nudge wink wink say no more)
and, wow... was I asleep when people talked about it on the list? cos its
actually very nice thank you very much! After spending a lovely few hours
sending individual tracks whizzing in all directions and coming up with all
sorts of whacky stuff, I must say that it actually FEELS different now...
more instant and imediate, still no EDP but well... cool. It still kinda
forces me in to more musical and form based things, which is nice... but
alll I can say is ... damn... wow.. them Electrix bozos were so close wer=
=B4nt
they...??? Christ if they could just add in 1 or two microsopic additions t=
o
what they have there now I would be totally happy, unsub from this list
(after checking how to do that of course) and never buy another piece of
equipment again... Does anyone who, if anyone actually OWNS the Repeater
now, if Electrix is bust, I mean someone must... and the SDK??? Anyone??
Isnt it about time they gave it up to the communities and get something
going on it??? I just want a SUS / Overdub replace kinda thing, oh and midi
control of trim, oh and fix the gliding between pitches when selecting via
midi...
If that was done... My God my wife would be happy...

m

Q summary, for people who skim... Who owns Repeater Technology now? Cos I
might wanna buy it..

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Not one to be accused of being tardy, or out of date, or slow. I got myself=
 hold of the 2 OS for Repeater recently (nudge nudge wink wink say no more)=
 and, wow... was I asleep when people talked about it on the list? cos its =
actually very nice thank you very much! After spending a lovely few hours s=
ending individual tracks whizzing in all directions and coming up with all =
sorts of whacky stuff, I must say that it actually FEELS different now... m=
ore instant and imediate, still no EDP but well... cool. It still kinda for=
ces me in to more musical and form based things, which is nice... but alll =
I can say is ... damn... wow.. them Electrix bozos were so close wer=B4nt t=
hey...??? Christ if they could just add in 1 or two microsopic additions to=
 what they have there now I would be totally happy, unsub from this list (a=
fter checking how to do that of course) and never buy another piece of equi=
pment again... Does anyone who, if anyone actually OWNS the Repeater now, i=
f Electrix is bust, I mean someone must... and the SDK??? Anyone?? Isnt it =
about time they gave it up to the communities and get something going on it=
??? I just want a SUS / Overdub replace kinda thing, oh and midi control of=
 trim, oh and fix the gliding between pitches when selecting via midi...<br=
>
If that was done... My God my wife would be happy...<br><br>m<br><br>Q summ=
ary, for people who skim... Who owns Repeater Technology now? Cos I might w=
anna buy it..<br clear=3D"all">&nbsp;<br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.markf=
rancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br>
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marcus kirby wrote:
> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later 
> point?
> 
> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger 
> them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a 
> loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that 
> loop/button at my disposal for later use.

yes

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From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
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Hey Warren,
what about Logic soundwise compared to Sonar,is it
true that the sound quality is better?




--- Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> OK, guys - I agree that Logic is not exactly logical
> in its UI (altho
> they say it's been redesigned, i have no base
> reference to judge
> against). If y'all want to go off on comparative DAW
> wars, that's your
> business. All I was comparing it to with Max, which
> is NOT A DAW in
> the same sense at all, and is several orders of
> magnitude more
> difficult to master than any of these products, imo,
> and finding it
> funny that Max was more natural for Art than modern
> DAWs are. Throw
> just about any DAW user in front of Max for a while,
> and most of them
> would be smashing their heads against the wall in
> frustration in short
> order.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Mech
> <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> > At 8:05 PM +0100 6/11/08, Os wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know - I've always found Logic utterly
> baffling.
> >
> > Me too.  As well as Creator/Notator before it. 
> The interface was always so
> > excessively fiddly that my ADHD would force me out
> for a beer before I could
> > ever come to terms with it.
> >
> >> And this is coming from someone who's been using
> DAWs since Cubase VST
> >> on my pre-Jobs Mac G3.
> >
> > Likewise, I was on Atari and Steinberg's Pro 24
> III, before *finally*
> > breaking down and grabbing Cubase at version 1.02.
>  I caught grief from my
> > friends for being a late adopter.  ;)
> >
> > After Atari's demise finally sank in (I wouldn't
> relent for almost a
> > decade), I spent a few years during the 90's
> running Cubase on PC's, until
> > it finally became such a piece of bloatware that I
> couldn't handle it
> > anymore.  Didn't really come around to Mac again
> until NextStep10... (uh,
> > *cough*, sorry) I mean OSX came out.
> >
> > Through all that, I still found C-Lab/Emagic's
> stuff too fiddly for my
> > tastes.  As always, YMMV.
> >
> >> I find myself rarely using anything other than
> Live at the moment, for
> >> live use or for studio projects.
> >
> > Three for three here.  Although there's a render
> bug in Live 6 that's about
> > to annoy me into alcoholism.  Still, it works
> pretty great as a DAW
> > otherwise, and for my purposes so far it's the
> best plug host I've come
> > across (the only other contender is Bidule, which
> I'd be using if I weren't
> > so fond of Live's reverb).
> >
> >        --m.
> > --
> > _____
> > "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken
> word is a lie."
> >        ( x ) <--- you are here.
> >
> >
> 
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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Daren,

Tell Andre that Ted Killian says "Hello."

Cheers,

Ted

On Jun 17, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Daren Burns wrote:

> I just wanted to drop a line and tell you about a gig I have this
> Friday night. I have a special duet performance with pianist, Motoko
> Honda @ Cafe Metropol, a great restaurant/club in downtown. On the
> bill is also the fantastic guitarist, Andre LaFosse playing his
> unique style of "turntablist" guitar (not to be missed) and from New
> York we have violinist, Todd Reynolds playing a solo set, enhanced
> with electronics. Hope to see you there!
>
> Friday, June 20th, 2008
>
> Rocco In LA Presents (http://www.roccoinla.com)
>
> "21st Century Solos and Duets... explorations in electro/acoustics"
>
> Cafe Metropol
> 8:00pm
> 923 E. 3rd St.
> Los Angeles, CA 90013
> 213.613.1537
>
> Price: $10.00
>
> with:
>
> Andre LaFosse- Turntablist Guitar
>
> Todd Reynolds- Violin and Electronics
>
> Motoko Honda/Daren Burns- Bass and Piano duet with electronics
>
> Todd Reynolds (www.toddreynolds.com)
> Composer, conductor, arranger, violinist and electronic musician, is
> a veteran of the New York City music scene, and a longtime touring
> and recording member member of Bang On A Can, Steve Reich and
> Musicians and Yo-Yo Ma's Silk Road Project . Collaborations run the
> gamut from Todd Rundgren and Joe Jackson to Kenny Werner and Betty
> Buckley to Meredith Monk and Scanner. His solo sets on tour opening
> for Indie sensations, The Books, and his affiliation with and use of
> the music software phenomenon Ableton Live have opened his unique
> blend of "classically- improvised-quantum-ambient-electronica" to a
> new and wider audience. His commitment to genre-bending and
> technology-driven innovation in music continues to produce
> innumerable collaborations with artists that regularly cross musical
> and disciplinary boundaries, regularly placing him in venues from
> clubs to concert halls around the world.
>
>
> Andre LaFosse (www.altruistmusic.com)
> Andre LaFosse calls his performance style 'turntablist guitar': a
> post-DJ, non-linear cut-up of hip-hop, avante garde, and dance
> music... that just happens to come from a solo elecric guitar.
> LaFosse has played and/or shared performance bills with David Torn,
> Michael Manring, Mike Keneally, Carl Stone, G. E. Stinson, Steuart
> Liebig, and many others. His work has been profiled in numerous print
> and online media, including Guitar Player, Electronic Musician, MOJO,
> Alternative Press, Time Out New York, and Expose'. LaFosse has
> performed at the 2004 and 2006 editions of the New York Guitar
> Festival, and was the subject of an episode of "New Sounds" on New
> York's WNYC radio.
>
>
> Daren Burns (www.darenburns.com)
> Daren is a unique electric bass player, composer, improviser and has
> been playing and creating music for well over twenty years. Much of
> his musical interest lies in the area of improvisation and how to
> make systems for developing improvisation in new and unique ways. He
> is working on notation systems which incorporate rock, world music,
> jazz, noise with his open structured compositions that give the
> musician freedom, while also giving the composer his fully realized
> ideas. Over his career. Daren has shared the stage with Wadada Leo
> Smith, Neil Sadler, Butch Morris, Mike Keneally, Nels Cline, Vinny
> Golia, Jeff Kaiser, Andre LaFosse, John Bergamo, Randy Gloss, Chris
> Opperman, and many, many others.
>
>
> Motoko Honda (http://www.myspace.com/motokohonda)
> Motoko currently lives in downtown Los Angeles, CA, she is a founding
> member of Los Angeles Piano Unit, a group dedicated to perform all
> kinds of piano music from classical to experimental. She is also a
> member of M. Rare Trio, and a founder of Okiro music Series and
> Ensemble. She is currently working on the "Sound Escape Project", an
> experimental collaboration with some of the greatest improvisers in
> the world.
>
> Daren Burns
> Bass Player/Composer/Teacher/Good Guy
> http://www.darenburns.com
> (818) 693-1734
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi.

I'm a games developer and an amateur musician.

I needed to play some looper files in a game and unknowingly I started
writing a software looper.

I would like to develop it further but I have to "put food on my
family" so I'd need to make it into a viable commercial product.
____________________________________________________________________________________________
I'll tap into the collective knowledge of this list and ask: is there
a market for an innovative Mac / PC software looper?
____________________________________________________________________________________________

K.

My development ideas:
- low level real-time games-like programming
- 10ms audio latency
- 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects
- camera moves around and zooms automatically
- controllable with keyboard and/or midi control pedals/surface
- mouse menus can be used but are only meant for learning
- user timing is respected above all things
- No hard looping, tracks are recorded linearly.
Dubbing/layering/mixing/looping are done in real-time by the audio
output code
- loop-point audio click prevention code but the timing is never changed
- tracks can be un-looped / re-looped / re-mixed
- unlimited out-of-order multi-level undo/redo
- seamlessly integrated audio tracks and midi sequencer tracks
- fun and inexpensive but usable for serious work
- scriptable playback
- song rendering to 32 bits audio files

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Ha, care to help guide a noob?

What sequencer do you use? How do you go about doing this? I would assume
that you need a sequencer, and an additional midi controller to trigger the
audio recording, and assigning it to a particular button.

Any help would be much appreciated. I want to keep everything live, but
cheating (pre-recording) seems sooo easy.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> marcus kirby wrote:
>
>> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later
>> point?
>>
>> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger
>> them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a loop
>> in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at
>> my disposal for later use.
>>
>
> yes
>
>

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Ha, care to help guide a noob?<br><br>What sequencer do you use? How do you go about doing this? I would assume that you need a sequencer, and an additional midi controller to trigger the audio recording, and assigning it to a particular button.<br>
<br>Any help would be much appreciated. I want to keep everything live, but cheating (pre-recording) seems sooo easy.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later point?<br>
<br>
I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>

</blockquote>
<br></div>
yes<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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I'm really interested in doing loop-based work in environments which aren't
likely to have hot & cold running electricity. I really do not want to go
the laptop + interface route. The only portable loopers of which I am aware
are the DL4 and the Lo Fi Loop Junky. Both of these have significant
limitations, especially the latter. (OTOH, I dream of a LFLJ that does SOS.)

Anything I'm missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored?

Thanks,

-- 
Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
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I&#39;m really interested in doing loop-based work in environments which aren&#39;t likely to have hot &amp; cold running electricity. I really do not want to go the laptop + interface route. The only portable loopers of which I am aware are the DL4 and the Lo Fi Loop Junky. Both of these have significant limitations, especially the latter. (OTOH, I dream of a LFLJ that does SOS.)<br>
<br>Anything I&#39;m missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored? <br><br>Thanks,<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Zak Kramer<br>Crazyquilt Arts &amp; Music<br> <a href="http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/">http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/</a>

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The Boss RC-2, RC-20 and RC-20XL can run on batteries.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm really interested in doing loop-based work in environments which aren't
> likely to have hot & cold running electricity. I really do not want to go
> the laptop + interface route. The only portable loopers of which I am aware
> are the DL4 and the Lo Fi Loop Junky. Both of these have significant
> limitations, especially the latter. (OTOH, I dream of a LFLJ that does SOS.)
>
> Anything I'm missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored?
>
>

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The Boss RC-2, RC-20 and RC-20XL can run on batteries.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Zak Kramer &lt;<a href="mailto:crazyquilt@gmail.com">crazyquilt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;m really interested in doing loop-based work in environments which aren&#39;t likely to have hot &amp; cold running electricity. I really do not want to go the laptop + interface route. The only portable loopers of which I am aware are the DL4 and the Lo Fi Loop Junky. Both of these have significant limitations, especially the latter. (OTOH, I dream of a LFLJ that does SOS.)<br>

<br>Anything I&#39;m missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored? <br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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 > I would like to develop it further but I have to "put food on my
 > family" so I'd need to make it into a viable commercial product.
 >
 > I'll tap into the collective knowledge of this list and ask: is there
 > a market for an innovative Mac / PC software looper?

I've dabbled in software looping for a few years.  I think there is
certainly interest in software loopers, especially by the members of
this list and I'm sure you'll get a lot of "HELL YEAH! I'LL BUY IT"
messages.

But in my experience the market for this is not large enough yet to
make a living at it.  Realistically, if you make a good product with
some novel features you could probably make a few tens of thousands of
dollars over a few years, but you'll have to be serious about
marketing and customer support.  It's up to you to decide if that's
worth your while.

There are other low-cost software loopers out there with similar
features so be sure to research these and make something better or
different.  The most important loopers you should study are Ambiloop,
Augustus Loop, Kenaxis, Logelloop, Mobius, and SooperLooper.  There
are others but I think these have the most features and the largest
number of users.

Regards,
Jeff

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Maybe not a very big market, but definitely a big interest! However,
fact is that there is no software looper available today that supports
both Windows and OS X ("Mac / PC"). But I'm not sure it would be a
smashing marketing point either, since it seems most computer users
stick to one system.

Per


On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:12 AM, kanguru007 <kanguru007@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I'm a games developer and an amateur musician.
>
> I needed to play some looper files in a game and unknowingly I started
> writing a software looper.
>
> I would like to develop it further but I have to "put food on my
> family" so I'd need to make it into a viable commercial product.
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> I'll tap into the collective knowledge of this list and ask: is there
> a market for an innovative Mac / PC software looper?
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> K.
>
> My development ideas:
> - low level real-time games-like programming
> - 10ms audio latency
> - 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects
> - camera moves around and zooms automatically
> - controllable with keyboard and/or midi control pedals/surface
> - mouse menus can be used but are only meant for learning
> - user timing is respected above all things
> - No hard looping, tracks are recorded linearly.
> Dubbing/layering/mixing/looping are done in real-time by the audio
> output code
> - loop-point audio click prevention code but the timing is never changed
> - tracks can be un-looped / re-looped / re-mixed
> - unlimited out-of-order multi-level undo/redo
> - seamlessly integrated audio tracks and midi sequencer tracks
> - fun and inexpensive but usable for serious work
> - scriptable playback
> - song rendering to 32 bits audio files
>
>



-- 
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Per Boysen
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:56 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> marcus kirby wrote:
>
>> Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later
>> point?
>>
>> I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger
>> them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a loop
>> in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at
>> my disposal for later use.
>>
>
> yes


and no...

depends totally one how much later... talking 3 hours and much fiddling with
midi dumps, transferings and settings later, or 15 seconds later... the loop
appears on a button...

first is possible - but unlikely
second is also possible - but expensive (need a second sampler)



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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:56 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later point?<br>
<br>
I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>

</blockquote>
<br></div>
yes</blockquote><div><br>and no...<br><br>depends totally one how much later... talking 3 hours and much fiddling with midi dumps, transferings and settings later, or 15 seconds later... the loop appears on a button... <br>
<br>first is possible - but unlikely<br>second is also possible - but expensive (need a second sampler)<br></div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no">www.looop.no</a>

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The Zoom G2 can also run on batteries. For more details and links se
my notes at http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

Per

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Zak Kramer <crazyquilt@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm really interested in doing loop-based work in environments which aren't
> likely to have hot & cold running electricity. I really do not want to go
> the laptop + interface route. The only portable loopers of which I am aware
> are the DL4 and the Lo Fi Loop Junky. Both of these have significant
> limitations, especially the latter. (OTOH, I dream of a LFLJ that does SOS.)
>
> Anything I'm missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Zak Kramer
> Crazyquilt Arts & Music
> http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/



-- 
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More on your...

- 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects

> - camera moves around and zooms automatically
>

...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for playstation
3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics engine, thinks most
LD people would be interested in new ways to interact with the loops, its
almost the thig actually... All loopers loop,overdub  most multiply, divide,
some do quantising, most go backwards, BUT... theres lots more, that the
more dedicated among us are having to program ourselves in max or pd or
whatever (not me)... I envisage a 3D interface, like that light table
modular synth posted recently http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/
but ON screen...
What about a looper where you can physically place the loop in space, then
chop in half with an axe, take half the loop with you, while you store the
other half in the bank, plant your loop, overdub on it, water it, watch it
grow, divide it into 256 mini loops, and spread them to left and right and
above then multiply one to 5 times its size change its key and have it chase
the other mini loops, the end comes when you  destroy the loops with the
Blunderbus leaving microscopic traces shivering and glistening as they fade.

or am i way off..?
back to WoW...

-- 
www.markfrancombe.com
www.looop.no

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More on your...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">- 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

- camera moves around and zooms automatically<br></blockquote><div><br>...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for playstation 3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics engine, thinks most LD people would be interested in new ways to interact with the loops, its almost the thig actually... All loopers loop,overdub&nbsp; most multiply, divide, some do quantising, most go backwards, BUT... theres lots more, that the more dedicated among us are having to program ourselves in max or pd or whatever (not me)... I envisage a 3D interface, like that light table modular synth posted recently <a href="http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/">http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/</a><br>
but ON screen... <br>What about a looper where you can physically place the loop in space, then chop in half with an axe, take half the loop with you, while you store the other half in the bank, plant your loop, overdub on it, water it, watch it grow, divide it into 256 mini loops, and spread them to left and right and above then multiply one to 5 times its size change its key and have it chase the other mini loops, the end comes when you&nbsp; destroy the loops with the Blunderbus leaving microscopic traces shivering and glistening as they fade.<br>
<br>or am i way off..?<br>back to WoW...<br><br></div></div>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no">www.looop.no</a>

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> ...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for playstation
> 3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics engine, thinks most

Speaking as an ex-game developer - the PS3's graphics aren't all that
special. a recent nvidia or ATI PC card is better. The PS3 has
reasonable floating-point maths grunt, but very little memory, so a
serious looper is going to have to be streaming stuff on and off the
harddrive all the time. Plus do you want to have to take a TV out to
gigs so you can see the display?

But on the more general theme of novel interfaces - I've occasionally
thought it might be fun to write some software to visualise looping,
for use as stage visuals (since it's often not that interesting for
the audience to watch a stationary guy press pedals). If you could get
your looping software (or hardware) to output some information about
what it was doing over MIDI (or OSC), then another piece of software
(which could be on another computer) could receive that information
and make 3d stuff to look at.

Maybe all the looper manufacturers in the world could get together and
agree a common "looping visualisation MIDI protocol", so any
visualizer would work with any looper. I can dream!


cheers,
os.


2008/6/18 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>:
> More on your...
>
> - 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects
>>
>> - camera moves around and zooms automatically
>
> ...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for playstation
> 3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics engine, thinks most
> LD people would be interested in new ways to interact with the loops, its
> almost the thig actually... All loopers loop,overdub  most multiply, divide,
> some do quantising, most go backwards, BUT... theres lots more, that the
> more dedicated among us are having to program ourselves in max or pd or
> whatever (not me)... I envisage a 3D interface, like that light table
> modular synth posted recently http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/
> but ON screen...
> What about a looper where you can physically place the loop in space, then
> chop in half with an axe, take half the loop with you, while you store the
> other half in the bank, plant your loop, overdub on it, water it, watch it
> grow, divide it into 256 mini loops, and spread them to left and right and
> above then multiply one to 5 times its size change its key and have it chase
> the other mini loops, the end comes when you  destroy the loops with the
> Blunderbus leaving microscopic traces shivering and glistening as they fade.
>
> or am i way off..?
> back to WoW...
>
> --
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.looop.no



-- 
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:

> But on the more general theme of novel interfaces - I've occasionally
> thought it might be fun to write some software to visualise looping,
> for use as stage visuals (since it's often not that interesting for
> the audience to watch a stationary guy press pedals). If you could get
> your looping software (or hardware) to output some information about
> what it was doing over MIDI (or OSC), then another piece of software
> (which could be on another computer) could receive that information
> and make 3d stuff to look at.
>
> Maybe all the looper manufacturers in the world could get together and
> agree a common "looping visualisation MIDI protocol", so any
> visualizer would work with any looper. I can dream!


...here's joining in on that dream! ;-)  ZZZzzzzzz........

At festivals I've see great real-time graphics being produced with ImX.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Now that would be cool!=20

-----Original Message-----
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> ...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for=20
> playstation 3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics=20
> engine, thinks most

Speaking as an ex-game developer - the PS3's graphics aren't all that
special. a recent nvidia or ATI PC card is better. The PS3 has
reasonable floating-point maths grunt, but very little memory, so a
serious looper is going to have to be streaming stuff on and off the
harddrive all the time. Plus do you want to have to take a TV out to
gigs so you can see the display?

But on the more general theme of novel interfaces - I've occasionally
thought it might be fun to write some software to visualise looping, for
use as stage visuals (since it's often not that interesting for the
audience to watch a stationary guy press pedals). If you could get your
looping software (or hardware) to output some information about what it
was doing over MIDI (or OSC), then another piece of software (which
could be on another computer) could receive that information and make 3d
stuff to look at.

Maybe all the looper manufacturers in the world could get together and
agree a common "looping visualisation MIDI protocol", so any visualizer
would work with any looper. I can dream!


cheers,
os.


2008/6/18 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>:
> More on your...
>
> - 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects
>>
>> - camera moves around and zooms automatically
>
> ...please.. im intrigued... BTW, what about making a looper for=20
> playstation 3? get some hardware doing the work? plus good graphics=20
> engine, thinks most LD people would be interested in new ways to=20
> interact with the loops, its almost the thig actually... All loopers=20
> loop,overdub  most multiply, divide, some do quantising, most go=20
> backwards, BUT... theres lots more, that the more dedicated among us=20
> are having to program ourselves in max or pd or whatever (not me)... I

> envisage a 3D interface, like that light table modular synth posted=20
> recently http://reactable.iua.upf.edu/ but ON screen...
> What about a looper where you can physically place the loop in space,=20
> then chop in half with an axe, take half the loop with you, while you=20
> store the other half in the bank, plant your loop, overdub on it,=20
> water it, watch it grow, divide it into 256 mini loops, and spread=20
> them to left and right and above then multiply one to 5 times its size

> change its key and have it chase the other mini loops, the end comes=20
> when you  destroy the loops with the Blunderbus leaving microscopic
traces shivering and glistening as they fade.
>
> or am i way off..?
> back to WoW...
>
> --
> www.markfrancombe.com
> www.looop.no



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>> visualizer would work with any looper. I can dream!

I'd be happy to implement my end of it, but am not in a position to specify 
the design.

Bob Amstadt 

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Thanks for the review, Luis! The Cologne show unfortunately stayed below my
personal radar, otherwise I would have applied for a slot there as well...
Markus Reuter said the festival went very well. Wish I could have attended
it, too.

Stephen

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:56 PM
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> Dear loopers,
> I finally get to write a few words about my experience
> at the Cologne and Konstanz Festival in Germany.
> First of all i want to thank Michael Peters and his
> wonderful wife for bringing us to the festival and
> having us stay at their place.Everything went smooth
> and was brilliantly organized,and everybody involved
> in the crew was extremely helpful and friendly.the
> show was succesfully well attended and received with
> every sit taken in the house and there were even
> expecators standing watching the show till the very
> end.People also drove long distances from different
> countries to see the show,and most of us musicians
> sold CDs and came out of cologne with our expenses
> covered plus x-tra fee.
> For me was specially it was a great experience
> sharing the stage with nine loopers and getting to
> know personally the ones that are on this
> list.Everyones set was brilliant,i myself was not
> quite satisfied with mine since i had to reduce my
> equipment to be able to travel by train and because i
> was dealing with 2 pieces of new equipment which
> caused some technical problems at the begining of the
> show.Nevertheless i got through it somehow and was
> suprised at the reaction of some people who came after
> the show to kindly give me positive feedback.
> I followed up playing in the loop show in Konstanz
> Germany which i organized featuring Rick Walker which
> went really well, but due to the current football
> craze and nice weather on that particular day it was
> less attended than expected.But we still had about 20
> people some who also drove from far away to see us and
> we were very well received with positive reviews on
> the local papers.
> I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
> show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
> rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
> pople on this list and spending time sharing time
> together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
> is worth the effort!
> cheers to all of you looping friends who were at the
> shows!
> Luis
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>

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> Zak Kramer wrote:
> Anything I'm missing, or any alternative ideas that folks have explored=
?

The Boss DD-20 (=3D 23 sec stereo delay) runs on bateries 

Sjaak
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Make it cross-platform (some of us DO use multi-platform environments,
Per), create a module/version/plug-in to run it in Second Life and
World of Warcraft and I will beta test it, buy it, AND sell it for you
...

There is a small, but growing, core of musicians performing in Second
Life who would jump on a tool that would allow them to transcend the
existing limitations of "inworld" audio production (no samples loner
than 10 seconds max, NASTY scripting to make objects with audio in
them which precludes having serious instruments "inworld", etc.,). One
group has been struggling with trying to build instrument in world and
give performances with those instruments.

I know there are some people who have been looking at implementing
some form of MIDI protocol in Second Life, but I honestly haven't
tried to keep up with the developments. Some research on some of the
SL blogs would probably turn up the names.

Best,

Dennis

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:12 PM, kanguru007 <kanguru007@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I'm a games developer and an amateur musician.
>
> I needed to play some looper files in a game and unknowingly I started
> writing a software looper.
>
> I would like to develop it further but I have to "put food on my
> family" so I'd need to make it into a viable commercial product.
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
> I'll tap into the collective knowledge of this list and ask: is there
> a market for an innovative Mac / PC software looper?
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> K.
>
> My development ideas:
> - low level real-time games-like programming
> - 10ms audio latency
> - 60 frames per second animated user interface 3D objects
> - camera moves around and zooms automatically
> - controllable with keyboard and/or midi control pedals/surface
> - mouse menus can be used but are only meant for learning
> - user timing is respected above all things
> - No hard looping, tracks are recorded linearly.
> Dubbing/layering/mixing/looping are done in real-time by the audio
> output code
> - loop-point audio click prevention code but the timing is never changed
> - tracks can be un-looped / re-looped / re-mixed
> - unlimited out-of-order multi-level undo/redo
> - seamlessly integrated audio tracks and midi sequencer tracks
> - fun and inexpensive but usable for serious work
> - scriptable playback
> - song rendering to 32 bits audio files
>
>

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>     marcus kirby wrote:
> 
>         Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at
>         a later point?
> 
>         I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can
>         trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it's
>         possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a
>         button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.
> 
> 
>     yes

you can do it with the EDP


> 
> 
> and no...

you don't need anything else other than an edp.

With the edp you can store up to 16 loops for triggered playback.
Just like a sampler (but without the pitch control, and no polyphony).

...but I've no idea if that achieves the musical result that Marcus wants


andy butler

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> Luis wrote:
> I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
> show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
> rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
> pople on this list and spending time sharing time
> together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
> is worth the effort!

Luis,
Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. =
I think the Cologne formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per sho=
w, a good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we can schedule a few Euro-lo=
op festivals in the same period next year (May again?), then it's also mo=
re interesting for our US friends like Rick to come over and play a numbe=
r of festivals here. Cologne, Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you thin=
k?

Sweden? ;)

Sjaak
http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/=0A

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I'm running a show for Rick here in Ireland next week. Anyone is welcome 
here anytime. Just drop me a mail.

Ricky

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> Luis wrote:
> I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
> show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
> rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
> pople on this list and spending time sharing time
> together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
> is worth the effort!

Luis,
Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. I 
think the Cologne formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per show, a 
good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we can schedule a few Euro-loop 
festivals in the same period next year (May again?), then it's also more 
interesting for our US friends like Rick to come over and play a number of 
festivals here. Cologne, Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you think?

Sweden? ;)

Sjaak
http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/




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sounds cool. Antwerp is particularly easy for me to get to, so count
me in for that one.

I really should get my sh*t together and organise another UK fest (I
previously organised the 3 Cambridge Loopfests) for next year.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/18 Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>:
>> Luis wrote:
>> I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
>> show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
>> rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
>> pople on this list and spending time sharing time
>> together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
>> is worth the effort!
>
> Luis,
> Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. I think the Cologne formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per show, a good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we can schedule a few Euro-loop festivals in the same period next year (May again?), then it's also more interesting for our US friends like Rick to come over and play a number of festivals here. Cologne, Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you think?
>
> Sweden? ;)
>
> Sjaak
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
>
>
>



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 I'm planning to organize a similar event in Rome in 2009.

 Maybe we have to think to an "European Loopfestival", with shows in
 different country, but as part s of a huge "european event", it would be a
 great idea !
 In Cologne i've talk about this with Rick, who - as you know - has a big
 experience in organizing this events and can give us useful and preciouos
 suggestions.

 So I think that we should coordinate our plans...it could be useful to get
 some founds and sponsorship (for example, i think not only to culture
 administrations or foundations, but also to Beheringer, due to the fact 
that
 a lot of loopers use del FCB1010). We can try to organize related events,
 such as workshop, demosntrations, and so on....).
 I think that if we are able to put together our ideas and work, we can
 organize something unique, that has never be done before and that can give
 to the loopers community a new visibility in the world.

 Let's think to Europe not only as a "big market", but as a real community
 made of people, ideas and creativity !

 What do you think about it ?

 fabio
 www.eterogeneo.com
 www.myspace.com/eterogeneo


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Sounds good. I'll do what I can for a fest somewhere (near me!) in the UK.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/18 e t e r o g e n e o <info@eterogeneo.com>:
>
> I'm planning to organize a similar event in Rome in 2009.
>
> Maybe we have to think to an "European Loopfestival", with shows in
> different country, but as part s of a huge "european event", it would be a
> great idea !
> In Cologne i've talk about this with Rick, who - as you know - has a big
> experience in organizing this events and can give us useful and preciouos
> suggestions.
>
> So I think that we should coordinate our plans...it could be useful to get
> some founds and sponsorship (for example, i think not only to culture
> administrations or foundations, but also to Beheringer, due to the fact that
> a lot of loopers use del FCB1010). We can try to organize related events,
> such as workshop, demosntrations, and so on....).
> I think that if we are able to put together our ideas and work, we can
> organize something unique, that has never be done before and that can give
> to the loopers community a new visibility in the world.
>
> Let's think to Europe not only as a "big market", but as a real community
> made of people, ideas and creativity !
>
> What do you think about it ?
>
> fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
> www.myspace.com/eterogeneo
>
>
>



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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:

>
> Sweden? ;)

Here in Sweden I have taken on another concept, since the first live
looping tour 2003. I have been reluctant to putting on an amateur
event, since I did not estimate that to resonate well with the Swedish
"media climate". I also personally did not like taking advantage of
musicians in the way you actually do when hiring them to perform
without getting paid. Instead I have invited musicians (on this list
and elsewhere) to join a longer "open-stage live-looping" tour that is
focused around concerts and workshops that event producers buy, i.e. a
pro concept. By setting this pro level I also qualified for some
culture/art funding, a source that is normally closed for amateur
activities. This approach also meant I did not receive many attenders
(the first year only Matthias Grob and Rick Walker joined in) but on
the other hand I gained credibility when pitching the tour to media.
We still lost money, though. Guess I'm just not "pro" enough ;-)

However, there are always other ways. I might look into finding a
partner here to put on a one or two days festival with loads of
performers that won't get paid. But I wouldn't want to market it like
a pro event, since that may look lame. I'd rather market it PROUDLY as
a true amateur gathering and manifestation!!!

("the pros of amateurism" is a long and interesting discussion that
deserves a thread in its own right)

But as for practical arrangements I need to work with professionals to
handle the venue, the sound system and everything that comes with
that. So that's the next stage here is finding a partner for the
muckwork.

Ok, friends - since we took over Berlin last week lets take over Europe next ;-)
(referring to Fabio's post)

...heard some rumor about Athens next summer, but just rumors so far.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I can't really do a direct comparison, because I haven't used Sonar in
a couple of years. One of the reasons I went for Logic is that I
wanted a fairly *complete* toolkit so that I don't have to always hunt
for and evaluate different drum kits, synthesizers, fx, etc. The
version of Sonar that I got had nothing in the way of instruments and
very little in the way of fx. have no idea what they're offering now.
Plus, I don't remember whether Sonar supported my 24-bit interface or
not, but i would have been afraid to up the cpu load to that on that
computer.

So that's a lot of words to tell you that i just don't know. What I
can tell you is that Logic (even Express) comes with a lot of
good-sounding effects chains for guitar and synth patches complete
with tempo-synced delays and other stuff that not only give you plenty
of cool sounds to explore, but also are classified in a really
intelligent manner
(for the record, I believe that this area of "snippet/effect
classification" is a very underrated and ill-understood area, which
will inevitably become increasingly important as the creation of music
continues it's move towards editing/arrangement and away from straight
tracking. Apple really *gets it*, as anyone who has hunted for loops
with the garageband interface knows, and that interface was copped
from Logic, which applies it to fx and instruments as well as loops.
Everything is "tagged" so you can do multidimensional searches. This
is in contrast to Sonar, Live or any other program I've seen, in which
you are left without help to organize your resources other than trying
to stick things in folders that have to constantly be reorganized or
rethought-out and even documented in external text files. ugly,
horrible, and bound to get worse. but i'm an IT guy, so things like
this tend to offend me more than most).

BTW - Now I've received Logic Studio but I can't install it till i get
a new hard drive for my laptop! (well, I was constrained by that
anyway, since i run a 30 gig boot camp partition that i could otw use
for music, and I can get a faster drive than the built-in one). Logic
Studio == 41GB install! Wow. I guess there must be a LOT of samples in
that package.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Warren,
> what about Logic soundwise compared to Sonar,is it
> true that the sound quality is better?
>
>
>

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... or you can use BOTH RC-2 and Zoom G2 :-))

That's what I use for a portable setup :-)

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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080612.html

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                    Show #584                    June 12, 2008

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre
International.  The Featured CD at Midnight was disk two from the six
disk boxed set Lost In Space on Northern Echo Recordings.

Radio Massacre International:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jun


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Ron Boots            A Walk in the Rain   See Beyond Times, Look Beyond
                                            Words (Groove)
Ozone Player         Animal Pharm         Orange Apples (Visual Power)
Intelligentsia       Parthenon            MusicZeit Sampler 04 (none)
Craig Padilla        Windspell            Below the Mountain (Spotted
                                            Peccary)
Radio Massacre       Float                Lost In Space disk 2 (Northern
  International                             Echo)
RMI                  Wherever You Go      LIS disk 2 (Northern Echo)
                       There's Food

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
RMI                  Greekscene           LIS disk 2 (Northern Echo)
RMI                  Atlantis             LIS disk 2 (Northern Echo)
RMI                  Fini                 LIS disk 2 (Northern Echo)

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on
Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be
preempted by RMI who will come in to the WDIY studios to play a live
concert.  On Sunday, RMI will play at NEARfest.

NEARfest: http://nearfest.com

Bill
=======================================================================
Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music
show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown
and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in
Trexlertown and Fogelsville.  WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio
on 88.1 FM.
Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info
MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels
RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml
Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml
Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link
or go directly to:
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http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram
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Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> BTW - Now I've received Logic Studio but I can't install it till i get
> a new hard drive for my laptop! (well, I was constrained by that
> anyway, since i run a 30 gig boot camp partition that i could otw use
> for music, and I can get a faster drive than the built-in one). Logic
> Studio == 41GB install! Wow. I guess there must be a LOT of samples in
> that package.


Warren,

39 GB, of the 46 GB full install, can be installed elsewhere than on
the system disc. So if you want you may pop in an external firewire
drive where you put those huge libraries. But it's cool to have it all
in the box; all those IR reverbs and searchable loops. I picked my
laptop with a 250 MB drive to be future proof and enjoy true laptop
bliss ;-)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Hi !

I am thinking about using Sooperlooper. I have used Repeater until now. I h=
ave MacBook pro and MOTU traveller interface. Is it possible to use my Ozon=
e keyboard to controll both Ableton and Sooperlooper at same time? Have any=
one tried? I also have FCB 1010 - but I think maybe its easier to controll =
more parameters i Ableton with the knobs on the Ozone?=20

Have anyone used the both (Ozone and FCB) in combination?

Is it diffeicult setting up this MIDI-controllers with Sooperlooper?

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Rick tells me that there could well be folks on LD who I haven't told 
already and
would maybe like to come

Epic Studios, Magdalen St., Norwich, UK

19th June, 8pm
Livelooping with:-

Rick Walker - Orange Dayglo Plastic

Jeremy Trantor - live looping Bassist, creating chilled beats from 
"almost nothing",

Stephen Scott - guitar into aural tapestries

andy butler - guitartronica 


and at the end , Rick, Jeremy and Andy will play together for the first 
time.

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I will be in Cambridge, UK, the week of September 14-20, in a
conference the 14th-17th. I would be happy to meet with anyone west of
Poland, i.e., anywhere I can get to from London with enough time to
make it worthwhile, to talk about loopfesting next year. Sadly, I
won't be able to bring the performing rig (my institution is sending
me in my dayjob incarnation, so the guitar has to stay home!), so it
would be a matter of meeting and greeting folks. I'll certainly be
bringing CDs along with me (that's actually part of the paper I will
be presenting), and would be happy to share them.

My thoughts are to find possible venues for a "performing" trip in
2009 and, if that means a European Loopfest, all the better.

Best,

Dennis

On 6/18/08, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
> > Luis wrote:
>  > I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
>  > show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
>  > rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
>  > pople on this list and spending time sharing time
>  > together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
>  > is worth the effort!
>
>  Luis,
>  Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. I think the Cologne formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per show, a good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we can schedule a few Euro-loop festivals in the same period next year (May again?), then it's also more interesting for our US friends like Rick to come over and play a number of festivals here. Cologne, Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you think?
>
>  Sweden? ;)
>
>
>  Sjaak
>  http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
>
>
>

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Thanx Warren,i am doing research because i have
finally decided to buy a macbook pro and give lapos a
try and i am not sure if i should buy it with
L.express or pro,also can you give me a list of
essentials before i order it to have a killer stable
machine for live and studio purposes?i just want to
make sure i dont miss anything!
p.s. if you would also be so kind to recomend a place
that has good deals on macs in the states that would
be great(are you form california?) my parents will be
most likely bringing it from there.
cheers
Luis



--- Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

> I can't really do a direct comparison, because I
> haven't used Sonar in
> a couple of years. One of the reasons I went for
> Logic is that I
> wanted a fairly *complete* toolkit so that I don't
> have to always hunt
> for and evaluate different drum kits, synthesizers,
> fx, etc. The
> version of Sonar that I got had nothing in the way
> of instruments and
> very little in the way of fx. have no idea what
> they're offering now.
> Plus, I don't remember whether Sonar supported my
> 24-bit interface or
> not, but i would have been afraid to up the cpu load
> to that on that
> computer.
> 
> So that's a lot of words to tell you that i just
> don't know. What I
> can tell you is that Logic (even Express) comes with
> a lot of
> good-sounding effects chains for guitar and synth
> patches complete
> with tempo-synced delays and other stuff that not
> only give you plenty
> of cool sounds to explore, but also are classified
> in a really
> intelligent manner
> (for the record, I believe that this area of
> "snippet/effect
> classification" is a very underrated and
> ill-understood area, which
> will inevitably become increasingly important as the
> creation of music
> continues it's move towards editing/arrangement and
> away from straight
> tracking. Apple really *gets it*, as anyone who has
> hunted for loops
> with the garageband interface knows, and that
> interface was copped
> from Logic, which applies it to fx and instruments
> as well as loops.
> Everything is "tagged" so you can do
> multidimensional searches. This
> is in contrast to Sonar, Live or any other program
> I've seen, in which
> you are left without help to organize your resources
> other than trying
> to stick things in folders that have to constantly
> be reorganized or
> rethought-out and even documented in external text
> files. ugly,
> horrible, and bound to get worse. but i'm an IT guy,
> so things like
> this tend to offend me more than most).
> 
> BTW - Now I've received Logic Studio but I can't
> install it till i get
> a new hard drive for my laptop! (well, I was
> constrained by that
> anyway, since i run a 30 gig boot camp partition
> that i could otw use
> for music, and I can get a faster drive than the
> built-in one). Logic
> Studio == 41GB install! Wow. I guess there must be a
> LOT of samples in
> that package.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, L.A. Angulo
> <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hey Warren,
> > what about Logic soundwise compared to Sonar,is it
> > true that the sound quality is better?
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:

> But on the more general theme of novel interfaces - I've occasionally
> thought it might be fun to write some software to visualise looping,
> for use as stage visuals (since it's often not that interesting for
> the audience to watch a stationary guy press pedals). If you could get
> your looping software (or hardware) to output some information about
> what it was doing over MIDI (or OSC), then another piece of software
> (which could be on another computer) could receive that information
> and make 3d stuff to look at.

Just as a point of reference, SooperLooper's OSC interface has been
used to create alternative GUIs.  Here is a demo video posted by a
user of one such interface they created:
  http://www.viddler.com/explore/marcell/videos/7/

jlc

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Howdy,

 If this is the right list, I found a footswitch less than 1/2" deep. It is made by Carling Technologies.
Rig


      

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Hey Sjaak!
definetly,i can try to syncronize it with a loop fest
here in Konstanz Germany as well,i don´t know if i can
host 10 musicians here,Konstanz is still a small
tourist town not like cologne and i rather do less so
that at least musicians expenses are covered and
possible fee is shared.Whatever you do my advice is
definetly not do it in the summer,(or during the
soccer euro cup)people want to sit outside drinking
beer and listening to summer music;-)but may seems
like the perfect month to do it.
Do it amigo and count me in in Belgium i love that
country!
cheers
Luis



--- Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:


> Luis,
> Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in
> Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. I think the Cologne
> formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per
> show, a good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we
> can schedule a few Euro-loop festivals in the same
> period next year (May again?), then it's also more
> interesting for our US friends like Rick to come
> over and play a number of festivals here. Cologne,
> Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you think?
> 
> Sweden? ;)
> 
> Sjaak
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
> 
> 
> 


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ok, i'm not an expert - but i'd get either the largest, fastest HD
available in stock (or else get the cheapest and plan on upgrading 3rd
party) and as much memory - 2gigs is ok, but 4 would be much nicer.
get the fastest cpu that you can. spend all you have.

deals? on apples? i think their dealer agreements all prohibit
discounting. best you could do would be to find a reseller with free
shipping. but maybe i'm wrong.

i'd go for the applecare too. laptops are somewhat vulnerable. also -
i don't know if this is true for just *any* apple user, but i've
gotten top-notch tech sppt from apple via my applecare contract. most
other companies, i laugh at tech sppt as a total waste of time and
exercise in frustration.

sorry i couldn't be more help. i'm sure there are others here much
more knowledgeable.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:40 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanx Warren,i am doing research because i have
> finally decided to buy a macbook pro and give lapos a
> try and i am not sure if i should buy it with
> L.express or pro,also can you give me a list of
> essentials before i order it to have a killer stable
> machine for live and studio purposes?i just want to
> make sure i dont miss anything!
> p.s. if you would also be so kind to recomend a place
> that has good deals on macs in the states that would
> be great(are you form california?) my parents will be
> most likely bringing it from there.
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
>
> --- Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> I can't really do a direct comparison, because I
>> haven't used Sonar in
>> a couple of years. One of the reasons I went for
>> Logic is that I
>> wanted a fairly *complete* toolkit so that I don't
>> have to always hunt
>> for and evaluate different drum kits, synthesizers,
>> fx, etc. The
>> version of Sonar that I got had nothing in the way
>> of instruments and
>> very little in the way of fx. have no idea what
>> they're offering now.
>> Plus, I don't remember whether Sonar supported my
>> 24-bit interface or
>> not, but i would have been afraid to up the cpu load
>> to that on that
>> computer.
>>
>> So that's a lot of words to tell you that i just
>> don't know. What I
>> can tell you is that Logic (even Express) comes with
>> a lot of
>> good-sounding effects chains for guitar and synth
>> patches complete
>> with tempo-synced delays and other stuff that not
>> only give you plenty
>> of cool sounds to explore, but also are classified
>> in a really
>> intelligent manner
>> (for the record, I believe that this area of
>> "snippet/effect
>> classification" is a very underrated and
>> ill-understood area, which
>> will inevitably become increasingly important as the
>> creation of music
>> continues it's move towards editing/arrangement and
>> away from straight
>> tracking. Apple really *gets it*, as anyone who has
>> hunted for loops
>> with the garageband interface knows, and that
>> interface was copped
>> from Logic, which applies it to fx and instruments
>> as well as loops.
>> Everything is "tagged" so you can do
>> multidimensional searches. This
>> is in contrast to Sonar, Live or any other program
>> I've seen, in which
>> you are left without help to organize your resources
>> other than trying
>> to stick things in folders that have to constantly
>> be reorganized or
>> rethought-out and even documented in external text
>> files. ugly,
>> horrible, and bound to get worse. but i'm an IT guy,
>> so things like
>> this tend to offend me more than most).
>>
>> BTW - Now I've received Logic Studio but I can't
>> install it till i get
>> a new hard drive for my laptop! (well, I was
>> constrained by that
>> anyway, since i run a 30 gig boot camp partition
>> that i could otw use
>> for music, and I can get a faster drive than the
>> built-in one). Logic
>> Studio == 41GB install! Wow. I guess there must be a
>> LOT of samples in
>> that package.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, L.A. Angulo
>> <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Hey Warren,
>> > what about Logic soundwise compared to Sonar,is it
>> > true that the sound quality is better?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
>

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that's good to know, per - i wondered about this. but I do want the
freedom to do this wherever i happen to be. i take my laptop to work
and make music at lunchtime... (slo-motion composition)

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
>
>> BTW - Now I've received Logic Studio but I can't install it till i get
>> a new hard drive for my laptop! (well, I was constrained by that
>> anyway, since i run a 30 gig boot camp partition that i could otw use
>> for music, and I can get a faster drive than the built-in one). Logic
>> Studio == 41GB install! Wow. I guess there must be a LOT of samples in
>> that package.
>
>
> Warren,
>
> 39 GB, of the 46 GB full install, can be installed elsewhere than on
> the system disc. So if you want you may pop in an external firewire
> drive where you put those huge libraries. But it's cool to have it all
> in the box; all those IR reverbs and searchable loops. I picked my
> laptop with a 250 MB drive to be future proof and enjoy true laptop
> bliss ;-)
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>

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Are there any loopers in the SouthEast of the States?
All this talk of organizing festivals really makes me want to join in - 
but, I have to much on my plate right now to organize a big show
I'd love to at least find some folks around these parts to do some shows w/ tho'.

Andy - N.C.


      
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Boss...I totally forgot about those guys! Still limited (even if I can't
control feedback levels, I like to have a bit of fade-out over time so I can
morph loops, which one cannot do with the Boss RCx boxes, iirc.) The DD20 is
a def thought, though.

Didn't know about the Zoom....another toy to check out. Thanks.

Zak

2008/6/18 Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>:

> ... or you can use BOTH RC-2 and Zoom G2 :-))
>
> That's what I use for a portable setup :-)
>
> Buzap
>
> --
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Boss...I totally forgot about those guys! Still limited (even if I can&#39;t control feedback levels, I like to have a bit of fade-out over time so I can morph loops, which one cannot do with the Boss RCx boxes, iirc.) The DD20 is a def thought, though.<br>
<br>Didn&#39;t know about the Zoom....another toy to check out. Thanks.<br><br>Zak<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/18 Buzap Buzap &lt;<a href="mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
... or you can use BOTH RC-2 and Zoom G2 :-))<br>
<br>
That&#39;s what I use for a portable setup :-)<br>
<br>
Buzap<br>
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Hi,
for those who are interested, I've just upload  on my podcast a short 
improvvisation i had with Michael Peters at the Cologne Looping Festival.
- podcast url: 
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=217423588
- direct access to the file: www.eterogeneo.com/podcast/Last Minutes 
(f_anile-m_peters_Live in Cologne).mp3

In a few days I'll upload on the Looper's Delight Community podcast 
(http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=251129406) 
excerpts from all the Cologne sets


Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo 

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> Boss...I totally forgot about those guys! Still limited (even if I can't
control feedback levels, I like to have a bit of fade-out over time 
> so I can morph loops, which one cannot do with the Boss RCx boxes, iirc.)
The DD20 is a def thought, though.

In my own playing, controlling feedback has become increasingly important,
so I don't use the DL4 anymore as a looper. However, my microrig consists of
the Zoom G2.1u (version with built-in expression pedal) and DD20 - great,
especially for more ambient stuff!

	Rainer

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Hi,

Though I live in Kansas City I have a number of friends in the Atlanta =20
area and would enjoy participating if you decide to have an event.

-- Kevin

Quoting kalimbaman7@yahoo.com:

> Hey Andy, as a full-time musician/looper who resides here in  =20
> Atlanta, I would be very open to helping in any way I can to  =20
> facilitate a looping festival in our region. Although my main  =20
> instrument of choice is electric Kalimba, after many of my shows,  =20
> lectures, etc., many musicians (especially guitar players),  =20
> vocalists and music listeners are very curious about my setup,  =20
> equipment recommendations and looping techniques. I know first hand  =20
> that there are many people in the region who would love to  =20
> participate or just attend the event. Take care, Kevin "KalimbaMan"  =20
> Spears. www.myspace.com/kevinspears
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: andy garber <andrewgarber@yahoo.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:22:28
> To:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: SouthEast Loopers? (US)
>
>
> Are there any loopers in the SouthEast of the States?
> All this talk of organizing festivals really makes me want to join in -
> but, I have to much on my plate right now to organize a big show
> I'd love to at least find some folks around these parts to do some  =20
> shows w/ tho'.
>
> Andy - N.C.
>
>
>
>



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Hey Andy, I'm in Western NC in Andrews, NC -- about 2 + hours from  
Atlanta. I'm eager to see & hear other loopers (like Kevin  
"Kalimbaman" ). I hang out in Asheville, NC all the time, because of  
it's vibrant music scene. Been practicing & looping a good while;  
ready to hook up with others. Glad to help if possible.
Cheers --
Scott Duncan


myspace.com/scottduncanvideo






On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:22 PM, andy garber wrote:

> Are there any loopers in the SouthEast of the States?
> All this talk of organizing festivals really makes me want to join  
> in -
> but, I have to much on my plate right now to organize a big show
> I'd love to at least find some folks around these parts to do some  
> shows w/ tho'.
>
> Andy - N.C.
>
>


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Aaah!
Thrilling!

Best,
Ra.

2008/6/18 andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:

> Rick tells me that there could well be folks on LD who I haven't told
> already and
> would maybe like to come
>
> Epic Studios, Magdalen St., Norwich, UK
>
> 19th June, 8pm
> Livelooping with:-
>
> Rick Walker - Orange Dayglo Plastic
>
> Jeremy Trantor - live looping Bassist, creating chilled beats from "almost
> nothing",
>
> Stephen Scott - guitar into aural tapestries
>
> andy butler - guitartronica
>
> and at the end , Rick, Jeremy and Andy will play together for the first
> time.
>
>


-- 
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com

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Aaah!<br>Thrilling!<br><br>Best,<br>Ra.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/18 andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Rick tells me that there could well be folks on LD who I haven&#39;t told already and<br>
would maybe like to come<br>
<br>
Epic Studios, Magdalen St., Norwich, UK<br>
<br>
19th June, 8pm<br>
Livelooping with:-<br>
<br>
Rick Walker - Orange Dayglo Plastic<br>
<br>
Jeremy Trantor - live looping Bassist, creating chilled beats from &quot;almost nothing&quot;,<br>
<br>
Stephen Scott - guitar into aural tapestries<br>
<br>
andy butler - guitartronica <br>
<br>
and at the end , Rick, Jeremy and Andy will play together for the first time.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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Hi !

Is there a easy way to route (without outboard routing) sound from radio or=
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I live in north Alabama and have been looping live two or three nights a
week (in a one-man band style that is blues-based, but also ventures into
jam, pure improve and ambience).  I started whichever year it was that the
RC-20 was introduced (it had been a traditional one-man band before that).
My system is now a Tonelab into an EDP into a Bose L1.  My primary work,
however, is my band, which is non-loop.

 

dave 

 

micdave@hiwaay.net 

 

 

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From: andy garber [mailto:andrewgarber@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:22 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: SouthEast Loopers? (US)

 

Are there any loopers in the SouthEast of the States?
All this talk of organizing festivals really makes me want to join in - 
but, I have to much on my plate right now to organize a big show
I'd love to at least find some folks around these parts to do some shows w/
tho'.

Andy - N.C.

 

 


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Wow, festivals popping up in Europe like wild flowers. I'd love to get to 
Europe again to play, especially Beligum. I reallllly need to get over to 
the the trappist brewery that brews Westvleteren. Of course, my wife would 
want to go to Italy, since her heritiage is from Sicily and it's been a few 
years since we've been there.

Kris

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I have a battery-powered setup for when I want to commune with nature, limited in use but fun:
RC-20XL 
small boombox
Lap steel
Mic
A reverb/delay box inline would be great but I don't have one....
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">RC-20XL </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">small boombox</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Lap steel</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">A reverb/delay box inline would be great but I don't have one....</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">E<BR><BR></DIV></div><br>



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I know that you can copy loops to a new one, but trying to undo/trigger
those will be a pain.

Is there now way to do a live version of what I am interested in?

Eh, don't really want to do the pre-recorded loop thing.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:32 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>     marcus kirby wrote:
>>
>>        Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at
>>        a later point?
>>
>>        I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can
>>        trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it's
>>        possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a
>>        button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later
>> use.
>>
>>
>>    yes
>>
>
> you can do it with the EDP
>
>
>
>>
>> and no...
>>
>
> you don't need anything else other than an edp.
>
> With the edp you can store up to 16 loops for triggered playback.
> Just like a sampler (but without the pitch control, and no polyphony).
>
> ...but I've no idea if that achieves the musical result that Marcus wants
>
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> andy butler
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I know that you can copy loops to a new one, but trying to undo/trigger those will be a pain.<br><br>Is there now way to do a live version of what I am interested in?<br><br>Eh, don&#39;t really want to do the pre-recorded loop thing.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:32 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
 &nbsp; &nbsp;marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;a later point?<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it&#39;s<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for later use.<br>
<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;yes<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
you can do it with the EDP<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
<br>
and no...<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
you don&#39;t need anything else other than an edp.<br>
<br>
With the edp you can store up to 16 loops for triggered playback.<br>
Just like a sampler (but without the pitch control, and no polyphony).<br>
<br>
...but I&#39;ve no idea if that achieves the musical result that Marcus wants<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
<br>
andy butler<br>
<br>
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lurker sufaceing........Hey Kevin....are you giging around  K C as well?...kyle

kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: Hi,

Though I live in Kansas City I have a number of friends in the Atlanta  
area and would enjoy participating if you decide to have an event.

-- Kevin








 Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131   http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten         
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lurker sufaceing........Hey Kevin....are you giging around&nbsp; K C as well?...kyle<br><br><b><i>kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Hi,<br><br>Though I live in Kansas City I have a number of friends in the Atlanta  <br>area and would enjoy participating if you decide to have an event.<br><br>-- Kevin<br><br><andrewgarber@yahoo.com><br><br><br><br></andrewgarber@yahoo.com></blockquote><br><BR><BR><div> <address><font color="#bf00bf" size="4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131</address> <address>&nbsp;</address> <address><a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </a><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(64, 64,
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dear who-ever will ever do something like a looping event, here are my 
arrogant 2 cents:

please know that organizing these kind of things can be dangerously good 
for your human hunger of creativity and social connections.
it can show some explosive reaction in your musical expression as well

be happy to do it for fun and joy of sharing the mission.
discern pure human and musical connection from musicians looking for one 
more gig to add to their list.

let you and your guests have fun while doing it > relax, set up things 
like a pro and ask for the same.

And never forget to set stage timings :-X

and to make nice t-shirts and send me one O:-)

It seems things are warming up, what a wonderful feeling for us old-timers !

luca
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   I know that you can save loops via midi data from an EDP into a =20
seq, but my impression was that this was too time consuming for his =20
live application?  As well, he mentions, 'sending audio to a seq'  -=20
Obviously without some other means of saving audio data, a sequencer =20
by itself, certainly wouldn't work in that regard.  -Unless he's =20
wanting to create the loops in the same performance and simply trigger =20=

them (in the EDP) with the sequencer?  yes?

   Anyway, apologies if I'm muddying the waters here with my own =20
possible confusion.  :)

Have a great day / evening!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 18, 2008, at 2:32 AM, andy butler wrote:

>
>>    marcus kirby wrote:
>>        Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them =20=

>> at
>>        a later point?
>>        I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can
>>        trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it's
>>        possible to record a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a
>>        button, and then have that loop/button at my disposal for =20
>> later use.
>>    yes
>
> you can do it with the EDP
>
>
>> and no...
>
> you don't need anything else other than an edp.
>
> With the edp you can store up to 16 loops for triggered playback.
> Just like a sampler (but without the pitch control, and no polyphony).
>
> ...but I've no idea if that achieves the musical result that Marcus =20=

> wants
>
>
> andy butler
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I would go this route: http://www.copyright.gov/register/performing.html

Kris

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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        I'm hoping to get a cd together of my music for self-release and =
looking to protect myself -  copyright-wise, legally, etc.



        I'm aware of the Creative Commons options but wondering if =
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        Ted, but not Ted Killian



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It is important to note that you should pull a copyright on each song  
on the cd not the cd as a whole. Otherwise someone would have access  
to all the tunes on that recording without having to pay royalties for  
each song.

Paul Haslem




Quoting Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:

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> Kris
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>   ----- Original Message -----
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Bob and I just added a sample download on our site, of our set from the =
Boise Experiemental Music Festival a few weeks ago.  Check it out:

http://www.kribophoric.com/ (click on music and see link below) - I'm =
using the mini jazz guitar on this one too.

Be sure to check out the Kribophoric commentary MP3, which is free. Bob =
narrated 18 minutes of our CD music. I plan to create one too here =
shortly. We handed out free mini CDs of this and a promo sheet at the =
festival...great way to spread the word.

Kris


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Also be sure to note the fact that the rights to the music and the
rights to the sound recording of the music are not the same rights.
Both are dealt with on Kris' link though, so you can read up there.

Per


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:46 AM,  <phaslem@wightman.ca> wrote:
> It is important to note that you should pull a copyright on each song on the
> cd not the cd as a whole. Otherwise someone would have access to all the
> tunes on that recording without having to pay royalties for each song.
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> Paul Haslem
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> Quoting Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>:
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>>
>> Kris
>>
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>>        I'm hoping to get a cd together of my music for self-release  and
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>>        I'm aware of the Creative Commons options but wondering if  people
>> have other experiences, ideas, suggestions, etc.
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>>        Ted, but not Ted Killian
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-- 
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Per Boysen
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lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my Korg Kaossilator  is on its way....looking forward  to adding it to my mix ...any one played with these things?



 Kyle Dean Patten P.O. Box 22 Johnston, IA  50131   http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten         
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lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my <font face="Arial" size="2">Korg Kaossilator&nbsp; is on its way....looking forward&nbsp; to adding it to my mix ...any one played with these things?</font><br><br><BR><BR><div> <address><font color="#bf00bf" size="4">Kyle Dean Patten</font></address> <address>P.O. Box 22</address> <address>Johnston, IA&nbsp; 50131</address> <address>&nbsp;</address> <address><a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten">http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </a><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 128, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(64, 64, 255);">http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten</span> </span><br><br><br><br></address></div>
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Well, I dug up my old RC20, have to give it a whirl. The DD20 also sounds
very interesting, and I'd been considering trying one anyway.

The portable rig I'm using is:

National M2 w/hot-rodded Hot Plate -> DL4 -> Lovepedal 2w Plexi. I can
balance the amp's volume with the resonator's acoustic level & have some fun
timbral interplay. I also have been throwing in Native American flute over
the loops. Did you know that a flute causes guitar resonators to resonate,
which can then be picked up (as it were) by the magnetic pickup in the Hot
Plate? I didn't -- but it's lots of fun!

Thanks again,
Zak

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a battery-powered setup for when I want to commune with nature,
> limited in use but fun:
>
> RC-20XL
> small boombox
> Lap steel
> Mic
>
> A reverb/delay box inline would be great but I don't have one....
>
> E
>
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>


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Well, I dug up my old RC20, have to give it a whirl. The DD20 also sounds very interesting, and I&#39;d been considering trying one anyway.<br><br>The portable rig I&#39;m using is:<br><br>National M2 w/hot-rodded Hot Plate -&gt; DL4 -&gt; Lovepedal 2w Plexi. I can balance the amp&#39;s volume with the resonator&#39;s acoustic level &amp; have some fun timbral interplay. I also have been throwing in Native American flute over the loops. Did you know that a flute causes guitar resonators to resonate, which can then be picked up (as it were) by the magnetic pickup in the Hot Plate? I didn&#39;t -- but it&#39;s lots of fun!<br>
<br>Thanks again,<br>Zak<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM, E Gross &lt;<a href="mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com">slapbandjam@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">I have a battery-powered setup for when I want to commune with nature, limited in use but fun:</div>

<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">RC-20XL </div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">small boombox</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Lap steel</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Mic</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">A reverb/delay box inline would be great but I don&#39;t have one....</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">&nbsp;</div>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">E<br><br></div></div><br>



      </div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Zak Kramer<br>Crazyquilt Arts &amp; Music<br> <a href="http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/">http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/</a>

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Warren Sirota wrote:

> deals? on apples? i think their dealer agreements all prohibit
> discounting. best you could do would be to find a reseller with free
> shipping. but maybe i'm wrong.

Retail discounts are hard to find, but if you're in the US and have a 
university affiliation you may be able to get a small (8 percent or 
less, I think) discount through your school. Alternatively, if you know 
somebody who works for the federal or state government, you can get a 
similar discount through them. It's even legal--government employees are 
allowed to buy up to six systems per year for friends and relatives.

Brian

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On Loopers Delight, andy garber wrote:
> Are there any loopers in the SouthEast of the States?
> All this talk of organizing festivals really makes me want to join in -
> but, I have to much on my plate right now to organize a big show
> I'd love to at least find some folks around these parts to do some 
> shows w/ tho'.
> Andy - N.C.
Why not present a paper, do a demonstration, or perform at 
electro-music?  August 14 - 16 in Kingsport, TN.  See 
http://event.electro-music.com for information.  Perhaps if you organize 
a bunch of loopers, there might be a room at the event that could 
(partially?) be dedicated to looping.  Plus, there is always the jam 
session room.

Cheers,

Bill

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kalimbaman7@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hey Andy, as a full-time musician/looper who resides here in Atlanta, I would be very open to helping in any way I can to facilitate a looping festival in our region. Although my main instrument of choice is electric Kalimba, after many of my shows, lectures, etc., many musicians (especially guitar players), vocalists and music listeners are very curious about my setup, equipment recommendations and looping techniques. I know first hand that there are many people in the region who would love to participate or just attend the event. Take care, Kevin "KalimbaMan" Spears. www.myspace.com/kevinspears
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
I saw Kevin at the City Skies event in Atlanta at the beginning of May.  
Cool guy, fantastic musician, knowledgeable looper.

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Bill

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Scott Duncan wrote:
> Hey Andy, I'm in Western NC in Andrews, NC -- about 2 + hours from 
> Atlanta. I'm eager to see & hear other loopers (like Kevin 
> "Kalimbaman" ). I hang out in Asheville, NC all the time, because of 
> it's vibrant music scene. Been practicing & looping a good while; 
> ready to hook up with others. Glad to help if possible.
Hi Scott,

I just got home from a week of hiking in the Linville and Asheville 
areas; Roan Mountain, Wilson Creek, Weisman's View (saw the lights!), 
Looking Glass Rock, and Moog Music where I got some personal time with 
the Moog Guitar prototype!  I go yearly.  Where in WNC are you located?  
I heard a friend's band in Asheville last Friday at Stella Blue on Patton.

Is anyone else on this list in the WNC area?

Cheers,

Bill

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Kyle, I got mine some two weeks ago. It's an amazing little gadget.  
Loopwise it's not that sophisticated. I like the erase function,  
though. It allows you to erase ultra short sections in a loop, which  
can produce interesting stuttering effects. BTW, I've mounted my  
Kaossilator (and my Kaosspad) on my guitar (thanks to whoever  
invented velcro tape!). Here's a picture (without Kaossilator). The  
Kaossilator now sits snuggly in the other empty slot.

http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg

Cheers from Switzerland

Nico

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Am 19.06.2008 um 01:16 schrieb K D Patten:

> lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my Korg Kaossilator   
> is on its way....looking forward  to adding it to my mix ...any one  
> played with these things?
>
>
>
> Kyle Dean Patten
> P.O. Box 22
> Johnston, IA  50131
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> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
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<div>Kyle,=A0I got mine some two weeks ago. It's an amazing little =
gadget. Loopwise it's not that sophisticated. I like the erase function, =
though. It allows you to erase ultra short sections in a loop, which can =
produce interesting stuttering effects. BTW, I've mounted my Kaossilator =
(and my Kaosspad) on my guitar (thanks to whoever invented velcro =
tape!). Here's a picture (without Kaossilator). The Kaossilator now sits =
snuggly in the other empty slot.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
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To trigger up to 16 Loops or several loops and functions, I am using  
an AKAI MPD-16

Just noticed there's one on ebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250256853760&indexURL=

M-AUDIO Trigger finger is an option, but has too many buttons for me.

See how we are triggering loops and visuals simultaneously via the  
MPD-16 during our last Christmas Show named "China Tee":

(second part of a 6 minutes promo video clip of a one hour  
performance, NO prerecorded loops)

http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250256853760&indexURL=

Phil




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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To trigger up to 16 Loops or =
several loops and functions, I am using an AKAI =
MPD-16<div><br></div><div>Just noticed there's one on ebay right =
now:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D2502568537=
60&amp;indexURL=3D">http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D=
250256853760&amp;indexURL=3D</a></div><div><br></div><div>M-AUDIO =
Trigger finger is an option, but has too many buttons for =
me.</div><div><br></div><div>See how we are triggering loops and visuals =
simultaneously via the MPD-16 during our last Christmas Show named =
"China Tee":</div><div><br></div><div>(second part of a 6 minutes promo =
video clip of a one hour performance, NO prerecorded =
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Sorry, here is the link to the video clip:

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These pre-recorded loops are Drums and synthesizer stuff, and the loops =
I make are from my guitar.
I have pre-recorded these drum patterns in Pro-Tools and put them in my =
sequencer, and I can trigger them at any time I like in my song.
And all my guitar loops are not pre-recorded. In my EDP I make use of =
the mute button a lot and I play with loopcopy/overdub to make different =
scenes in the song.

Simon | Projekt67
The Netherlands

www.projekt67.com


From: marcus kirby=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:11 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Live Looping Strategy


Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger them at a later =
point?

I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so that I can trigger =
them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible to record a =
loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that =
loop/button at my disposal for later use.

I essentially want to use the sequencer in the way you are, but without =
having the parts pre-recorded. It seems like it would make life easier =
if I did have them pre-recorded though, and no one would know, since the =
loop segment would have been played at one point or another. Hmm!


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, projektGmail <projekt67@gmail.com> =
wrote:

  Hi E

  I'm using a sequencer (yamaha RS7000) for the songs which contains =
samples and to sync my Echoplex.
  I can switch by hand which part of the song I want to play next, and =
the Echoplex stays in sync.
  These blocks of music in the sequencer are the basics for my songs =
where I can play my loops ontop.
  Beside that I like to improvise a lot (from scratch).

  Simon | Projekt67
  The Netherlands

  www.projekt67.com



  From: E Gross=20
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:59 PM
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Subject: Live Looping Strategy


  Hi Loopers,

  I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple of =
months. I have checked out lots of your available music, which sounds =
awesome. My question to those that perform live is, is each performance =
you do completely spontaneous? Or do you start out with a framework for =
how you want to build a song. For example, for those who have a CD out, =
do you try to repeat songs which are on your CD?

  I realize there are probably many different answers based on artistic =
preference, I have been using what I call the tabula rasa method, in =
which I start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. =
However the lack of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling =
flat on my face in a live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am =
playing and she is a very good listener but biased).

  Many thanks in advance for your responses.

  E



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have pre-recorded these drum patterns =
in=20
Pro-Tools and put them in my sequencer, and I can trigger them at any =
time I=20
like in my song.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And all my guitar loops are not =
pre-recorded. In my=20
EDP I make use of the mute button a lot and I play with loopcopy/overdub =
to make=20
different scenes in the song.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Simon | Projekt67</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Netherlands</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
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link wilt volgen"=20
href=3D"http://www.projekt67.com"=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com&#10;Druk op CTRL en klik als je de =
link wilt volgen"=20
href=3D"mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">marcus kirby</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 17, 2008 8:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&#10;Druk op CTRL en =
klik als je de link wilt volgen"=20
href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Live Looping Strategy</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Do you ever save your loops in the sequencer to trigger =
them at a=20
later point?<BR><BR>I like the idea of having the loops pre-recorded so =
that I=20
can trigger them at a later point, but I want to know if it's possible =
to record=20
a loop in the EDP, dump it / assign to a button, and then have that =
loop/button=20
at my disposal for later use.<BR><BR>I essentially want to use the =
sequencer in=20
the way you are, but without having the parts pre-recorded. It seems =
like it=20
would make life easier if I did have them pre-recorded though, and no =
one would=20
know, since the loop segment would have been played at one point or =
another.=20
Hmm!<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:33 PM, projektGmail =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm using a sequencer (yamaha RS7000) =
for the=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can switch by hand which part of =
the song I=20
  want to play next, and the Echoplex stays in sync.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These blocks of music in the =
sequencer are the=20
  basics for my songs where I can play my loops ontop.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Beside that I like to improvise a lot =
(from=20
  scratch).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Simon | Projekt67</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Netherlands</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  title=3D"http://www.projekt67.com&#10;Druk op CTRL en klik als je de =
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  href=3D"http://www.projekt67.com"=20
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  <DIV><B>From:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com&#10;Druk op CTRL en klik als je =
de link wilt volgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:slapbandjam@yahoo.com" target=3D_blank>E Gross</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:59 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&#13;&#10;Druk op =
CTRL en klik als je de link wilt volgen"=20
  href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20
  target=3D_blank>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Live Looping Strategy</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi Loopers,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I am new to looping and LD, have learned much in the past couple =
of=20
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awesome.=20
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which I=20
  start playing whatever comes to mind and take it from there. However =
the lack=20
  of pre-planning leaves open the possibility of falling flat on my face =
in a=20
  live setting (right now only my dog hears what I am playing and she is =
a very=20
  good listener but biased).</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Many thanks in advance for your responses.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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which year?

possibly you'd be able to catch a loopfest in Norwich uk

andy butler

Dennis Moser wrote:
> I will be in Cambridge, UK, the week of September 14-20, in a
> conference the 14th-17th. I would be happy to meet with anyone west of
> Poland, i.e., anywhere I can get to from London with enough time to
> make it worthwhile, to talk about loopfesting next year. Sadly, I
> won't be able to bring the performing rig (my institution is sending
> me in my dayjob incarnation, so the guitar has to stay home!), so it
> would be a matter of meeting and greeting folks. I'll certainly be
> bringing CDs along with me (that's actually part of the paper I will
> be presenting), and would be happy to share them.
> 
> My thoughts are to find possible venues for a "performing" trip in
> 2009 and, if that means a European Loopfest, all the better.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dennis
> 
> On 6/18/08, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
>>> Luis wrote:
>>  > I would encourage anybody who has not organized a loop
>>  > show to do so,it might be a bit of work but it is so
>>  > rewarding that it is addictive,just getting to know
>>  > pople on this list and spending time sharing time
>>  > together exchanging ideas and learning from each other
>>  > is worth the effort!
>>
>>  Luis,
>>  Great idea. I'm already looking for a venue in Antwerp-Belgium for 2009. I think the Cologne formula is great: about 10 performers, 30 min per show, a good atmosphere and lot's of fun :) If we can schedule a few Euro-loop festivals in the same period next year (May again?), then it's also more interesting for our US friends like Rick to come over and play a number of festivals here. Cologne, Berlin, Konstanz, Antwerp? What do you think?
>>
>>  Sweden? ;)
>>
>>
>>  Sjaak
>>  http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

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Cara Quinn wrote:
>   I know that you can save loops via midi data from an EDP into a seq, 
> but my impression was that this was too time consuming for his live 
> application?  As well, he mentions, 'sending audio to a seq'  -Obviously 
> without some other means of saving audio data, a sequencer by itself, 
> certainly wouldn't work in that regard.  -Unless he's wanting to create 
> the loops in the same performance and simply trigger them (in the EDP) 
> with the sequencer?  yes?
> 
>   Anyway, apologies if I'm muddying the waters here with my own possible 
> confusion.  :)
> 
> Have a great day / evening!…
> 
> Smiles,
> 
> Cara  :)
> 
> 

hi Cara,

yep, I agree :-)

hi Marcus,
so...what do you actually want to achieve?
If you could do all the loopstuff you want with just the EDP
and no sampler wouldn't that be cool?

like recording one loop,
then another,
and then another, and so on.........
and being able to call them all up with midi triggers?

andy butler


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Hey Phil

That's a great performance. Where did it take place?

Nico


Am 19.06.2008 um 10:28 schrieb Phil Zurcher:

> Sorry, here is the link to the video clip:
>
> http://www.mem.li/doc/Portfolio/2007/ChinaTree_Promo_small.mov
>
> Philagain

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>
>> Sorry, here is the link to the video clip:
>>
>> http://www.mem.li/doc/Portfolio/2007/ChinaTree_Promo_small.mov
>>
>> Philagain
>


> Hey Phil
>
> That's a great performance. Where did it take place?
>
> Nico
>
>

More Info (in german only, sorry)

http://www.mem.li/ChinaTree_d.html

And even more info (still in german only, but so much can be said:  
the whole piece is inspired by the original american/english version  
of Truman Capote's Grass Harp and we are doing the performance  
including our self made screen falling to pieces and being rearranged  
in perfect order wherever you want to see it in the world).

http://www.mem.li/ChinaTreeMehr_d.html

Cheers

Phil


Philipp Zurcher
Elfenauweg 2
CH-3006 Bern
Switzerland

+41 31 332 46 44  (Landline)
+41 78 623 13 13  (Mobile)

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"Way to go, Daren! I remember with joy my Saturday headlining slot at  
BEMF3
where Motoko agreed to sit in with me. So for everyone still  
hestitaing: go
to see that concert!"

Yeah Ranier, Motoko is a great player and I am looking forward to  
playing with her again. Hope the Boise festival was a great success  
for everyone involved.

Daren Burns
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Hey,

I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
just for myself.

I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.

Any suggestions from people who do this live?

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Hey,<br><br>I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>
<br>I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>
<br>Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>

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I've been using a Roland KC-300 for a while, it's a full-range "keyboard"
amp with four inputs.  However, if you're using a guitar amp to generate
your guitar tone, you'll probably find that an accurate reproduction of the
signal from your line-out on the Rivera doesn't sound like the amp, since
the power section and speaker color the guitar sound more than a little.

TH

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
> just for myself.
>
> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>
> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>

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I&#39;ve been using a Roland KC-300 for a while, it&#39;s a full-range &quot;keyboard&quot; amp with four inputs.&nbsp; However, if you&#39;re using a guitar amp to generate your guitar tone, you&#39;ll probably find that an accurate reproduction of the signal from your line-out on the Rivera doesn&#39;t sound like the amp, since the power section and speaker color the guitar sound more than a little.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey,<br><br>I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>

<br>I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>

<br>Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce
the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the
tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be
affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the
synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line
before it hits the amp).

Here is my current setup.

Rivera line out -> Rane sm82 mixer -> echoplex -> whatever amp
Softsynths -> Firebox -> Rae sm82 -> echoplex -> whatever amp



On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've been using a Roland KC-300 for a while, it's a full-range "keyboard"
> amp with four inputs.  However, if you're using a guitar amp to generate
> your guitar tone, you'll probably find that an accurate reproduction of the
> signal from your line-out on the Rivera doesn't sound like the amp, since
> the power section and speaker color the guitar sound more than a little.
>
> TH
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
>> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
>> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
>> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
>> just for myself.
>>
>> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
>> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
>> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
>> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>>
>> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>>
>
>

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Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line before it hits the amp).<br>
<br>Here is my current setup.<br><br>Rivera line out -&gt; Rane sm82 mixer -&gt; echoplex -&gt; whatever amp<br>Softsynths -&gt; Firebox -&gt; Rae sm82 -&gt; echoplex -&gt; whatever amp<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I&#39;ve been using a Roland KC-300 for a while, it&#39;s a full-range &quot;keyboard&quot; amp with four inputs.&nbsp; However, if you&#39;re using a guitar amp to generate your guitar tone, you&#39;ll probably find that an accurate reproduction of the signal from your line-out on the Rivera doesn&#39;t sound like the amp, since the power section and speaker color the guitar sound more than a little.<br>
<font color="#888888">
<br>TH</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey,<br><br>I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>


<br>I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>


<br>Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>
</blockquote></div><br>
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in my simplified mind and love of tube amplification-you will lose the characteristics and tone of that rivera unless you throw another rivera at the end...power amp in.
lots of guitarists do that and it a way to continuitize(!) your unique, singular tone.
staninsanfran


>Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce
>the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the
>tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be
>affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the
>synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line
>before it hits the amp).
>
>Here is my current setup.
>
>Rivera line out -> Rane sm82 mixer -> echoplex -> whatever amp
>Softsynths -> Firebox -> Rae sm82 -> echoplex -> whatever amp
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I've been using a Roland KC-300 for a while, it's a full-range "keyboard"
>> amp with four inputs.  However, if you're using a guitar amp to generate
>> your guitar tone, you'll probably find that an accurate reproduction of the
>> signal from your line-out on the Rivera doesn't sound like the amp, since
>> the power section and speaker color the guitar sound more than a little.
>>
>> TH
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
>>> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
>>> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
>>> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
>>> just for myself.
>>>
>>> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
>>> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
>>> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
>>> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>>>
>>
>>

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Wow, great to know there's some friends around - 
I love WNC! I've been going to Linville Gorge since I could drive.
Also - I go to Belle Chere every year in Asheville (biggest street fest in NC).
I'll be there this year too - a bit late for any musical plans I think but, I'd 
be more than happy to meet up w/ anyone to share a beer and put some faces 
with some names.
I'd love to plan a gig in Asheville a bit later this fall.
If I can find an extra day around a weekend as well,
it'd be great to keep on trucking down to ATL.
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I used to keep the EDP in the effects loop of my mixer, with all my guitar
processing and tube preamp feeding the mixer.  I'd send that signal to the
EDP, bring that back in on another channel, then hard pan the two signals to
EV-loaded cabinets driven by a Mesa Power amp.  The speakers are clean and
high power (although not full range) and the power amp was never remotely
breathing hard, so it had no trouble making the loops sound like live guitar
sound.  However, I didn't have any synths in the mix.  You'll need to buy a
lot more gear to keep everything sounding right--another EDP, powered
monitor, or speaker iso box for the amp and mic that to use for feeding the
EDP and the overall mix.

TH

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:43 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce
> the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the
> tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be
> affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the
> synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line
> before it hits the amp).
>
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I used to keep the EDP in the effects loop of my mixer, with all my guitar processing and tube preamp feeding the mixer.&nbsp; I&#39;d send that signal to the EDP, bring that back in on another channel, then hard pan the two signals to EV-loaded cabinets driven by a Mesa Power amp.&nbsp; The speakers are clean and high power (although not full range) and the power amp was never remotely breathing hard, so it had no trouble making the loops sound like live guitar sound.&nbsp; However, I didn&#39;t have any synths in the mix.&nbsp; You&#39;ll need to buy a lot more gear to keep everything sounding right--another EDP, powered monitor, or speaker iso box for the amp and mic that to use for feeding the EDP and the overall mix.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:43 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line before it hits the amp).<br>

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Oh, good lord :\

I'll have to think about this some more.

So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then
sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you
completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did
you have an effects loop for each channel?

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I used to keep the EDP in the effects loop of my mixer, with all my guitar
> processing and tube preamp feeding the mixer.  I'd send that signal to the
> EDP, bring that back in on another channel, then hard pan the two signals to
> EV-loaded cabinets driven by a Mesa Power amp.  The speakers are clean and
> high power (although not full range) and the power amp was never remotely
> breathing hard, so it had no trouble making the loops sound like live guitar
> sound.  However, I didn't have any synths in the mix.  You'll need to buy a
> lot more gear to keep everything sounding right--another EDP, powered
> monitor, or speaker iso box for the amp and mic that to use for feeding the
> EDP and the overall mix.
>
> TH
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:43 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce
>> the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the
>> tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be
>> affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the
>> synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line
>> before it hits the amp).
>>
>>
>

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Oh, good lord :\<br><br>I&#39;ll have to think about this some more. <br><br>So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I&#39;m a bit confused as to how you completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did you have an effects loop for each channel?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I used to keep the EDP in the effects loop of my mixer, with all my guitar processing and tube preamp feeding the mixer.&nbsp; I&#39;d send that signal to the EDP, bring that back in on another channel, then hard pan the two signals to EV-loaded cabinets driven by a Mesa Power amp.&nbsp; The speakers are clean and high power (although not full range) and the power amp was never remotely breathing hard, so it had no trouble making the loops sound like live guitar sound.&nbsp; However, I didn&#39;t have any synths in the mix.&nbsp; You&#39;ll need to buy a lot more gear to keep everything sounding right--another EDP, powered monitor, or speaker iso box for the amp and mic that to use for feeding the EDP and the overall mix.<br>
<font color="#888888">
<br>TH</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:43 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hmm, that might be a bit problematic. I am trying to accurately reproduce the tone of my Rivera, and I want to find an amp that will not color the tone too much. The echoplex is only mono though, so I think the tone will be affected no matter what. I wish it was stereo, so that I could send the synths to one input, and the guitar to another (throw a tube buffer in line before it hits the amp).<br>


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GTR-->Channel 1
Aux 1 send-->EDP input
EDP output--> Channel 2

You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1,
etc.  Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or
it's a feedback loop.

The Aux return is empty.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, good lord :\
>
> I'll have to think about this some more.
>
> So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then
> sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you
> completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did
> you have an effects loop for each channel?
>

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GTR--&gt;Channel 1<br>Aux 1 send--&gt;EDP input<br>EDP output--&gt; Channel 2<br><br>You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1, etc.&nbsp; Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or it&#39;s a feedback loop.<br>
<br>The Aux return is empty.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Oh, good lord :\<br><br>I&#39;ll have to think about this some more. <br><br>So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I&#39;m a bit confused as to how you completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did you have an effects loop for each channel?<div>
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Oh, that makes sense, I think. I haven't received the mixer yet, so I can't
mess with it until tomorrow.

I don't really care about the tone of the synths, atleast not as much as the
guitar.

Thanks for the help.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com>
wrote:

> GTR-->Channel 1
> Aux 1 send-->EDP input
> EDP output--> Channel 2
>
> You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1,
> etc.  Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or
> it's a feedback loop.
>
> The Aux return is empty.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, good lord :\
>>
>> I'll have to think about this some more.
>>
>> So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and
>> then sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you
>> completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did
>> you have an effects loop for each channel?
>>
>
>

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Oh, that makes sense, I think. I haven&#39;t received the mixer yet, so I can&#39;t mess with it until tomorrow. <br><br>I don&#39;t really care about the tone of the synths, atleast not as much as the guitar.<br><br>Thanks for the help.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Travis Hartnett &lt;<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
GTR--&gt;Channel 1<br>Aux 1 send--&gt;EDP input<br>EDP output--&gt; Channel 2<br><br>You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1, etc.&nbsp; Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or it&#39;s a feedback loop.<br>

<br>The Aux return is empty.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Oh, good lord :\<br><br>I&#39;ll have to think about this some more. <br><br>So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I&#39;m a bit confused as to how you completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did you have an effects loop for each channel?<div>

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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello
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>
> How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive

Hi Joseph,

If it was me, I would type "saving echoplex loops" into the Google
search bar and then click on the first search result.
Actually, I saved you some work and did it for you.. here's the link:

http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ2.html

grtz. Sanne

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Sample Dump


*Does the Oberheim Echoplex support MIDI Sample Dump?*

Yes it does. If you are very patient, you could use that as a means to save
your loops to a computer or or device with midi and mass storage
capabilities. (samplers, sequencers, etc.)



*Is MIDI Sample Dump a good way to save my loops?*

No. Midi Sample Dump is unbearably slow, on any device. "Open-Loop" sample
dump (no midi return for handshaking) takes about 70 times longer to finish
then the length of the sample. "Closed-Loop" sample dump is about 50 times
longer. This might be ok for the short samples used in a typical sampler,
but very few people have the patience to do this with the longer samples
used in looping. People seem to want it until they discover how inconvenient
it is, then they start saving their loops by recording direct to DAT or hard
disk. If you have it on hard disk, you can even use an audio sequencer
program to play it back and control the echoplex to record it in real time,
which is much more convenient as a way to back up and restore loops.



*So why is it even available in the Echoplex?*

Reviewers of other looping products complained about the lack this feature,
so it was included in the Echoplex development. Be careful what you wish
for.



*If one was going to do a sample dump anyway and wanted to use something
other than a computer with hard drive, what would you recommend? Would an
Alesis Data Disk work? I know that a floppy will only hold 1.44 Meg. If the
memory being dumped exceded 1.44 meg, what would happen? Would the Echoplex
stop the dump and wait for another floppy to be inserted? Is the Echoplex
capable of splitting the dump into multiple parts?*

 I'm not very familiar with the Alesis data disk. 1.44MB is obviously not a
great deal of time, so that would be a problem. As far as being able to use
multiple floppies, that is more up to the Alesis than the echoplex. It has
to be able to tell the echoplex to pause while the disk is being changed. I
don't think the Sample Dump Standard defines any thing like "multiple parts"
so this would be a bit of a kludge no matter what.

First of all the Alesis would have to be able to use the "Closed Loop" or
handshaking aspect of the Sample Dump standard. From the user's perspective,
that means you have two midi cables connected, Midi Out of the plex to Midi
In of the Alesis, and Midi Out of the Alesis to Midi In of the plex. What
actually goes on then is the echoplex sends a packet of sample data out and
waits for an acknowledgement to come back from the Alesis before sending the
next packet. The Alesis would then have to know that it is running out of
space, pause before sending an acknowledge for a packet, tell the user to
change the disk, then send the acknowledge to start the plex again. If the
Echoplex has sent a packet a packet and not received an acknowledgement, it
should just sit there and wait for it. The echoplex is smart enough to know
if it is in "closed loop" or not. If not, it just sends continuously until
it reaches the end of the memory.

Loading it back would have to be a similar thing, where the Alesis would
pause the data transmission while the user changes the disk, then starts it
up correctly. So it is really up to whether the Alesis can manage this. Most
likely it doesn't.

For portability, a better option would be to use a sampler with expanded
memory, or with a hard drive. If you are trying to save money, buy a used PC
for $50.


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> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello
> <synchro1@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive
>
>
>
>

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<h3>Sample Dump</h3>
															<p><br>
																<a name="Anchor-Does-17304"></a><i><b>Does the Oberheim Echoplex support MIDI Sample Dump?</b></i></p>
															<p>Yes
it does. If you are very patient, you could use that as a means to save
your loops to a computer or or device with midi and mass storage
capabilities. (samplers, sequencers, etc.)</p>
															<p><br>
																<br>
																<a name="Anchor-Is-51540"></a><i><b>Is MIDI Sample Dump a good way to save my loops?</b></i></p>
															<p>No.
Midi Sample Dump is unbearably slow, on any device. &quot;Open-Loop&quot; sample
dump (no midi return for handshaking) takes about 70 times longer to
finish then the length of the sample. &quot;Closed-Loop&quot; sample dump is
about 50 times longer. This might be ok for the short samples used in a
typical sampler, but very few people have the patience to do this with
the longer samples used in looping. People seem to want it until they
discover how inconvenient it is, then they start saving their loops by
recording direct to DAT or hard disk. If you have it on hard disk, you
can even use an audio sequencer program to play it back and control the
echoplex to record it in real time, which is much more convenient as a
way to back up and restore loops.</p>
															<p><br>
																<br>
																<a name="Anchor-So-44591"></a><i><b>So why is it even available in the Echoplex?</b></i></p>
															<p>Reviewers
of other looping products complained about the lack this feature, so it
was included in the Echoplex development. Be careful what you wish for.</p>
															<p><br>
																<br>
																<a name="Anchor-If-43793"></a><i><b>If
one was going to do a sample dump anyway and wanted to use something
other than a computer with hard drive, what would you recommend? Would
an Alesis Data Disk work? I know that a floppy will only hold 1.44 Meg.
If the memory being dumped exceded 1.44 meg, what would happen? Would
the Echoplex stop the dump and wait for another floppy to be inserted?
Is the Echoplex capable of splitting the dump into multiple parts?</b></i><br>
																<br>
															</p>
															<p>I&#39;m
not very familiar with the Alesis data disk. 1.44MB is obviously not a
great deal of time, so that would be a problem. As far as being able to
use multiple floppies, that is more up to the Alesis than the echoplex.
It has to be able to tell the echoplex to pause while the disk is being
changed. I don&#39;t think the Sample Dump Standard defines any thing like
&quot;multiple parts&quot; so this would be a bit of a kludge no matter what.</p>
															<p>First
of all the Alesis would have to be able to use the &quot;Closed Loop&quot; or
handshaking aspect of the Sample Dump standard. From the user&#39;s
perspective, that means you have two midi cables connected, Midi Out of
the plex to Midi In of the Alesis, and Midi Out of the Alesis to Midi
In of the plex. What actually goes on then is the echoplex sends a
packet of sample data out and waits for an acknowledgement to come back
from the Alesis before sending the next packet. The Alesis would then
have to know that it is running out of space, pause before sending an
acknowledge for a packet, tell the user to change the disk, then send
the acknowledge to start the plex again. If the Echoplex has sent a
packet a packet and not received an acknowledgement, it should just sit
there and wait for it. The echoplex is smart enough to know if it is in
&quot;closed loop&quot; or not. If not, it just sends continuously until it
reaches the end of the memory.</p>
															<p>Loading it back
would have to be a similar thing, where the Alesis would pause the data
transmission while the user changes the disk, then starts it up
correctly. So it is really up to whether the Alesis can manage this.
Most likely it doesn&#39;t.</p>
															<p>For portability, a better
option would be to use a sampler with expanded memory, or with a hard
drive. If you are trying to save money, buy a used PC for $50.</p><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Vocaloop. com &lt;<a href="mailto:info@vocaloop.com">info@vocaloop.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:synchro1@optonline.net">synchro1@optonline.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive<br>
<br>
</div><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:
> How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive


I run a line from my mixer to my computer's audio in and then use  
small program called Wire Tap Pro to record the audio.
There is also Audio Hijack. These are nice because they are easily  
and quickly configurable and fast to implement, not like opening up  
some big DAW or recording studio type software.
They are for Mac, there must be similar for PC.

regards

BobC



http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j

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If I'm syncing my loops to an external midi clock, I assume that the loops
dumped to wire tap pro / audio hijack will be in sync as well, and will
export in sync?

I own plogue bidule, and running wtp as an audio unit sounds very
interesting. I should be able to set up my midi footpedal so that each
button triggers a specific loop. I think I might also be able to sync the
loops to midi clock by using the function located in bidule.

This may solve a question that I had going a few days ago!!!

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:
>
>> How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive
>>
>
>
> I run a line from my mixer to my computer's audio in and then use small
> program called Wire Tap Pro to record the audio.
> There is also Audio Hijack. These are nice because they are easily and
> quickly configurable and fast to implement, not like opening up some big DAW
> or recording studio type software.
> They are for Mac, there must be similar for PC.
>
> regards
>
> BobC
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j
>
> http://www.youtube.com/tynego
>
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If I&#39;m syncing my loops to an external midi clock, I assume that the loops dumped to wire tap pro / audio hijack will be in sync as well, and will export in sync? <br><br>I own plogue bidule, and running wtp as an audio unit sounds very interesting. I should be able to set up my midi footpedal so that each button triggers a specific loop. I think I might also be able to sync the loops to midi clock by using the function located in bidule.<br>
<br>This may solve a question that I had going a few days ago!!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, RP Collier &lt;<a href="mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com">skeptikalist@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
On Jun 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Joseph Tufariello wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
How would you go about saving echoplex loops? onto a hard drive<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br></div>
I run a line from my mixer to my computer&#39;s audio in and then use small program called Wire Tap Pro to record the audio.<br>
There is also Audio Hijack. These are nice because they are easily and quickly configurable and fast to implement, not like opening up some big DAW or recording studio type software.<br>
They are for Mac, there must be similar for PC.<br>
<br>
regards<br>
<br>
BobC<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j</a><br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/tynego" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/tynego</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote:
> f I'm syncing my loops to an external midi clock, I assume that the  
> loops dumped to wire tap pro / audio hijack will be in sync as  
> well, and will export in sync?


No, sorry. It is simply a method for saving the audio of loops you  
like to a hard drive, not MIDI data or EDP parameters.

BobC

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Ahh, the quest continues.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:10 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote:
>
>> f I'm syncing my loops to an external midi clock, I assume that the loops
>> dumped to wire tap pro / audio hijack will be in sync as well, and will
>> export in sync?
>>
>
>
> No, sorry. It is simply a method for saving the audio of loops you like to
> a hard drive, not MIDI data or EDP parameters.
>
> BobC
>
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Ahh, the quest continues.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:10 PM, RP Collier &lt;<a href="mailto:skeptikalist@gmail.com">skeptikalist@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:03 PM, marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
f I&#39;m syncing my loops to an external midi clock, I assume that the loops dumped to wire tap pro / audio hijack will be in sync as well, and will export in sync?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br></div>
No, sorry. It is simply a method for saving the audio of loops you like to a hard drive, not MIDI data or EDP parameters.<br>
<br>
BobC<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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This is the same method I use and it works easily.  Since I use a Tonelab
rather than an amp, the hookup is very simple to tweak, and the sound is hi
fi and full range through the Bose L1.  I use a PorchBoard bass
(www.porchboard.com <http://www.porchboard.com/>  ) for a kick drum sound,
also routing it through so it can be recorded while laying down a guitar
track (or a bass track if I send the guitar through the EH Micro Pog octave
pedal).

 

dave 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] 
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GTR-->Channel 1
Aux 1 send-->EDP input
EDP output--> Channel 2

You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1, etc.
Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or it's a
feedback loop.

The Aux return is empty.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, good lord :\

I'll have to think about this some more. 

So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then
sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you
completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did
you have an effects loop for each channel?

 

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>This is the same method I use and =
it works
easily.&nbsp; Since I use a Tonelab rather than an amp, the hookup is =
very simple to
tweak, and the sound is hi fi and full range through the Bose L1.&nbsp; =
I use a
PorchBoard bass (<a =
href=3D"http://www.porchboard.com/">www.porchboard.com</a> ) for
a kick drum sound, also routing it through so it can be recorded while =
laying
down a guitar track (or a bass track if I send the guitar through the EH =
Micro
Pog octave pedal).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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color=3Dblack><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
Travis Hartnett
[mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 19, =
2008 4:51
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Amp for =
guitar and
keyboard?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>GTR--&gt;Channel 1<br>
Aux 1 send--&gt;EDP input<br>
EDP output--&gt; Channel 2<br>
<br>
You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1,
etc.&nbsp; Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP =
Channel 2,
or it's a feedback loop.<br>
<br>
The Aux return is empty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Oh, good lord :\<br>
<br>
I'll have to think about this some more. <br>
<br>
So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and =
then
sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you =
completed
the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did you =
have an
effects loop for each channel?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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I also have one and it's real fun to be able to play some looping music 
everywhere.
Don't forget to test the "hidden mode" (turn it on while holding both 
"loop/rec" and "tap/tempo" buttons untill the display shows "Dly"), you'll 
have then 16 beats instead of 8 and the possibility to "multiply" a recorded 
loop. I use it a lot in this mode. Lot of fun. I really like the "force to 
scale" feature.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nico Spahni" <nicosp@gmx.net>
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> Kyle, I got mine some two weeks ago. It's an amazing little gadget.
> Loopwise it's not that sophisticated. I like the erase function,
> though. It allows you to erase ultra short sections in a loop, which
> can produce interesting stuttering effects. BTW, I've mounted my
> Kaossilator (and my Kaosspad) on my guitar (thanks to whoever
> invented velcro tape!). Here's a picture (without Kaossilator). The
> Kaossilator now sits snuggly in the other empty slot.
>
> http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg
>
> Cheers from Switzerland
>
> Nico
>
> www.recpro.ch
> www.myspace.com/nicospahni
>
>
>
>
> Am 19.06.2008 um 01:16 schrieb K D Patten:
>
>> lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my Korg Kaossilator
>> is on its way....looking forward  to adding it to my mix ...any one
>> played with these things?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kyle Dean Patten
>> P.O. Box 22
>> Johnston, IA  50131
>>
>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080619.html

<a href="http://galactictravels.info">Galactic Travels</a> is an 
electronic, ambient, and space music show, that
airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem,
PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville
and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet.  WDIY also broadcasts
in Digital HD at 88.1 FM.

                Show #585                June 19, 2008

RECAP:
On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Radio Massacre
International.  The Featured CD at Midnight was preempted by RMI who
came in to the WDIY studios to play a live concert.

Radio Massacre International:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jun


PLAYLIST:

11:04 pm
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Kevin Braheny        Starflight 1 *       Galaxies (Hearts of Space)
Winther Stormer      Cucumber Salad       Electric Fairytales (Bajkal)
Radio Massacre       Phil. Air-Shot *     Philadelphia Air-Shot
  International                             (Northern Echo)

12:00 am
ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Live concert by Radio Massacre International from WDIY's studios.

1:00 am

 * = excerpt
VA = Various Artists (compilation)
++ = Advance CDR from Artist
-- = Background music under interview


NEXT SHOW:
On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on
Radio Massacre International.  The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk
three from the six disk boxed set Lost In Space on Northern Echo
Recordings.

Bill
=======================================================================
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A GREAT little tool I have just bought for a small, mobile setup:

A MIC Impedance Matching converter with XLR IN and unbalanced OUT.
This really saves the preamp/mixer for an ultra-moble setup.
So, I can really directly plug the MIC into my Zoom G2 or Boss RC-2.

Buzap

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Do you guys think a roland jc or the cubes would work for something like
this? It's possible that I could have someone build me a 15" cab with power
amp in there, and then use a tube pre-amp split for the guitar.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> wrote:

>  This is the same method I use and it works easily.  Since I use a Tonelab
> rather than an amp, the hookup is very simple to tweak, and the sound is hi
> fi and full range through the Bose L1.  I use a PorchBoard bass (
> www.porchboard.com ) for a kick drum sound, also routing it through so it
> can be recorded while laying down a guitar track (or a bass track if I send
> the guitar through the EH Micro Pog octave pedal).
>
>
>
> dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:51 PM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* Re: Amp for guitar and keyboard?
>
>
>
> GTR-->Channel 1
> Aux 1 send-->EDP input
> EDP output--> Channel 2
>
> You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1,
> etc.  Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2, or
> it's a feedback loop.
>
> The Aux return is empty.
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Oh, good lord :\
>
> I'll have to think about this some more.
>
> So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then
> sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I'm a bit confused as to how you
> completed the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did
> you have an effects loop for each channel?
>
>
>
>
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Do you guys think a roland jc or the cubes would work for something like this? It&#39;s possible that I could have someone build me a 15&quot; cab with power amp in there, and then use a tube pre-amp split for the guitar.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Dave Gallaher &lt;<a href="mailto:micdave@hiwaay.net">micdave@hiwaay.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">










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<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">This is the same method I use and it works
easily.&nbsp; Since I use a Tonelab rather than an amp, the hookup is very simple to
tweak, and the sound is hi fi and full range through the Bose L1.&nbsp; I use a
PorchBoard bass (<a href="http://www.porchboard.com/" target="_blank">www.porchboard.com</a> ) for
a kick drum sound, also routing it through so it can be recorded while laying
down a guitar track (or a bass track if I send the guitar through the EH Micro
Pog octave pedal).</span></font></p>

<p><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">dave </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"></span></font></p>

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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Travis Hartnett
[mailto:<a href="mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">travishartnett@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:51
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target="_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Amp for guitar and
keyboard?</span></font></p>

</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">GTR--&gt;Channel 1<br>
Aux 1 send--&gt;EDP input<br>
EDP output--&gt; Channel 2<br>
<br>
You could put your synth on Channel 3, and send it to the EDP via Aux1,
etc.&nbsp; Just be sure to never turn up the Aux 1 send on the EDP Channel 2,
or it&#39;s a feedback loop.<br>
<br>
The Aux return is empty.</span></font></p>

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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:46 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com" target="_blank">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></font></p>


<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Oh, good lord :\<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll have to think about this some more. <br>
<br>
So, you sent guitar to channel 1, put the edp in the effects loop, and then
sent the looped sounds to channel 2? I&#39;m a bit confused as to how you completed
the effects return/send and then put that into a new channel. Did you have an
effects loop for each channel?</span></font></p>

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One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.

Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, 
and plenty of volume.

When I'm not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,
and (with  the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.

andy butler


marcus kirby wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera 
> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my 
> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be 
> able to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring 
> system, just for myself.
> 
> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger 
> cubes, but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths 
> (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, 
> but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
> 
> Any suggestions from people who do this live?

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I concur, this is often my setup as well, in stereo...
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:40 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.
>
> Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and plenty
> of volume.
>
> When I'm not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,
> and (with  the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.
>
> andy butler
>
>
> marcus kirby wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
>> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
>> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
>> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
>> just for myself.
>>
>> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
>> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
>> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
>> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>>
>> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>>
>
>


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I concur, this is often my setup as well, in stereo...&nbsp;<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:40 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.<br>
<br>
Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and plenty of volume.<br>
<br>
When I&#39;m not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,<br>
and (with &nbsp;the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.<br>
<br>
andy butler<br>
<br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hey,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>

<br>
I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>

<br>
Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Next Stop :: Minneapolis with Meredith Monk, putting up her new work, currently titled Songs of Ascension, June 12-14.<br><br>Then off to LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br>
<br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br><br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br>
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I own a Bose L1 system, and really like it, but I have to agree that the JBL 
EON is probably the way to go for what you want.  Those powered speakers are 
fairly lightweight and sound really nice.  My band use to play through them 
before we went Bose. 

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Hmm, that sounds interesting.

I could run a tube buffer before the guitar signal, and then just run the
synths into their own.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.
>
> Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and plenty
> of volume.
>
> When I'm not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,
> and (with  the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
> marcus kirby wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
>> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
>> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
>> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
>> just for myself.
>>
>> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
>> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
>> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
>> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>>
>> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>>
>
>

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Hmm, that sounds interesting.<br><br>I could run a tube buffer before the guitar signal, and then just run the synths into their own.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.<br>
<br>
Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and plenty of volume.<br>
<br>
When I&#39;m not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,<br>
and (with &nbsp;the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
andy butler</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>


<br>
I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>


<br>
Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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After looking at the prices of those, I might have to change to something
else.

About $1k for a pair, ahhh. Could I just have a friend build a 15" enclosure
with a pre/power amp in there?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, that sounds interesting.
>
> I could run a tube buffer before the guitar signal, and then just run the
> synths into their own.
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.
>>
>> Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and
>> plenty of volume.
>>
>> When I'm not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,
>> and (with  the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.
>>
>> andy butler
>>
>>
>>
>> marcus kirby wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera
>>> knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my
>>> softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able
>>> to accurately replicate the tones. I don't need it for a monitoring system,
>>> just for myself.
>>>
>>> I've been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes,
>>> but I don't know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog
>>> and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15" speaker, but that would
>>> require me buying an amp, and then a 15" cab.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from people who do this live?
>>>
>>
>>
>

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After looking at the prices of those, I might have to change to something else.<br><br>About $1k for a pair, ahhh. Could I just have a friend build a 15&quot; enclosure with a pre/power amp in there?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hmm, that sounds interesting.<br><br>I could run a tube buffer before the guitar signal, and then just run the synths into their own.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:40 AM, andy butler &lt;<a href="mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk" target="_blank">akbutler@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>


</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">One possibility you could consider is a JBL Eon 15 powered speaker.<br>

<br>
Those have a nice even frequency response, a sweet, clean sound, and plenty of volume.<br>
<br>
When I&#39;m not using a pair as a pa system, I use just one as a guitar amp,<br>
and (with &nbsp;the right pre-amp of course) it sounds great.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
andy butler</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
marcus kirby wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hey,<br>
<br>
I&#39;m trying to find an amp that I can run in stereo with my rivera knucklehead. I will be running the line out of my rivera, as well as my softsyths, into my echoplex. I was wondering what kind of amp would be able to accurately replicate the tones. I don&#39;t need it for a monitoring system, just for myself.<br>



<br>
I&#39;ve been looking at the roland jazz chorus, or some of the larger cubes, but I don&#39;t know if they can handle the frequencies of the synths (minimoog and arp). I know that the ideal amp would have a 15&quot; speaker, but that would require me buying an amp, and then a 15&quot; cab.<br>



<br>
Any suggestions from people who do this live?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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So I followed discussions in the past about mobile, small recorders for
sessions/whatever recording. I have decided to get one, too, however, I'm
not sure which one is the right one (or if it even exists).

Hard requirements (must-have):
	* solid state, recording to SDHC cards
	* internal stereo microphone
	* possibility to record four tracks at once, two of them from the
built-in microphones and two others from a line input
	* contemporary battery, providing at least 90 minutes of four-track
recording and allowing for fast (e.g. at least realtime) recharging.
	* file formats: WAV, MP3

Soft requirements (would be nice):
	* connectors for microphones with phantom power
	* SPDIF connector
	* USB2 connector

To explain my motivation for these requirements: I want to be able to record
performances and record both the FOH signal (from the mixer's tape output)
and the acoustic sound (using built-in mics) at the same time.

Are there any devices available fulfilling those requirements?

	Rainer

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I don't think there's anything like that out there.
I bet it's possible to hack a Zoom H2 to meet the hard requirements.

(except the one for batteries...what's a "contemporary battery"?)

Otherwise, I wonder if it's possible to make the necessary recordings on
2 different devices and sync them up later, then you can use the mic
recorder without any leads going to it ( which is a real help for getting
best position)

andy butler


Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> So I followed discussions in the past about mobile, small recorders for
> sessions/whatever recording. I have decided to get one, too, however, I'm
> not sure which one is the right one (or if it even exists).
> 
> Hard requirements (must-have):
> 	* solid state, recording to SDHC cards
> 	* internal stereo microphone
> 	* possibility to record four tracks at once, two of them from the
> built-in microphones and two others from a line input
> 	* contemporary battery, providing at least 90 minutes of four-track
> recording and allowing for fast (e.g. at least realtime) recharging.
> 	* file formats: WAV, MP3
> 
> Soft requirements (would be nice):
> 	* connectors for microphones with phantom power
> 	* SPDIF connector
> 	* USB2 connector
> 
> To explain my motivation for these requirements: I want to be able to record
> performances and record both the FOH signal (from the mixer's tape output)
> and the acoustic sound (using built-in mics) at the same time.
> 
> Are there any devices available fulfilling those requirements?
> 
> 	Rainer
> 
> 

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I've been using the new edirol r-44, which meets these requirements (with
the exception of mp3 recording-it is wav only).
Seems like a solid machine, decent specs, although not as compact as the
portable 2 tracks. The only drawback is price, at 850.00 or so.
--Norm

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So I followed discussions in the past about mobile, small recorders for
sessions/whatever recording. I have decided to get one, too, however, I'm
not sure which one is the right one (or if it even exists).

Hard requirements (must-have):
	* solid state, recording to SDHC cards
	* internal stereo microphone
	* possibility to record four tracks at once, two of them from the
built-in microphones and two others from a line input
	* contemporary battery, providing at least 90 minutes of four-track
recording and allowing for fast (e.g. at least realtime) recharging.
	* file formats: WAV, MP3

Soft requirements (would be nice):
	* connectors for microphones with phantom power
	* SPDIF connector
	* USB2 connector

To explain my motivation for these requirements: I want to be able to record
performances and record both the FOH signal (from the mixer's tape output)
and the acoustic sound (using built-in mics) at the same time.

Are there any devices available fulfilling those requirements?

	Rainer

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Rainer,

So far . . . I've been quite happy with my Zoom H2.

It may not have all of your requirements, but it has most of them . . . and it's quite affordable.

Cheers,

Ted

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I absolutely _adore_ my Zoom H3. Reasonably priced, great onboard mics,
chockfull of features to boot.

~cole
http://holotone.net/

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, tEd (R) kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
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> Rainer,
>
> So far . . . I've been quite happy with my Zoom H2.
>
> It may not have all of your requirements, but it has most of them . . . and
> it's quite affordable.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
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I absolutely _adore_ my Zoom H3. Reasonably priced, great onboard mics, chockfull of features to boot.<br clear="all"><br>~cole<br><a href="http://holotone.net/">http://holotone.net/</a>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, tEd &reg; kiLLiAn &lt;<a href="mailto:tedkillian@charter.net">tedkillian@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Rainer,<br>
<br>
So far . . . I&#39;ve been quite happy with my Zoom H2.<br>
<br>
It may not have all of your requirements, but it has most of them . . . and it&#39;s quite affordable.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Ted<br>
<br>
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I've got the H4.  I think it can do four tracks at once, in which case it
meets all your other requirements.

TH

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I&#39;ve got the H4.&nbsp; I think it can do four tracks at once, in which case it meets all your other requirements.<br><br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:41 PM, <a href="mailto:holotone@gmail.com">holotone@gmail.com</a> &lt;<a href="mailto:holotone@gmail.com">holotone@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I absolutely _adore_ my Zoom H3. Reasonably priced, great onboard mics, chockfull of features to boot.<br clear="all">
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On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:01 AM, andy butler wrote:
> make the necessary recordings on
> 2 different devices and sync them up later, then you can use the mic
> recorder without any leads going to it ( which is a real help for  
> getting
> best position)

I think this makes the best sense. More flexibility.
Maybe use two Zoom H2?


regards

BobC




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Unless you can clock both devices from the same source, I think this won't work well. You'll end up with very subtle timing differences that sound like the program material going slowly out of phase.

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> help for getting
> best position)


      

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Well, it's not actually dead, but it might as well be.

The EDP powers on for a minute or two, but after that it begins to display
"lo" on the lcd, and none of the functions can be performed.

The fine folks at Gibson had no clue what that meant, and the service person
that they referred me to has never seen an echoplex digital pro.

Has anyone come across this problem? I bought one from a member of the gear
page, and he said he didn't have any of these issues when he sent it to me.
I have no reason to doubt him, but the edp has always had startup problems,
and midi sync in ones as well.

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Well, it&#39;s not actually dead, but it might as well be.<br><br>The EDP powers on for a minute or two, but after that it begins to display &quot;lo&quot; on the lcd, and none of the functions can be performed.<br><br>The fine folks at Gibson had no clue what that meant, and the service person that they referred me to has never seen an echoplex digital pro.<br>
<br>Has anyone come across this problem? I bought one from a member of the gear page, and he said he didn&#39;t have any of these issues when he sent it to me. I have no reason to doubt him, but the edp has always had startup problems, and midi sync in ones as well.<br>

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Standard troubleshooting for EDP weirdness is to unplug everything and
reseat the memory SIMMS and check that the EPROMS haven't wiggled loose.
Then reconnect only the power cord (no MIDI, no brothersync, etc.), then try
to power up.  There's also a reset to factory defaults button combination at
startup that I can't recall off the top of my head, but it's in the manual
and the LD Tools page.

TH

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:31 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, it's not actually dead, but it might as well be.
>
> The EDP powers on for a minute or two, but after that it begins to display
> "lo" on the lcd, and none of the functions can be performed.
>
> The fine folks at Gibson had no clue what that meant, and the service
> person that they referred me to has never seen an echoplex digital pro.
>
> Has anyone come across this problem? I bought one from a member of the gear
> page, and he said he didn't have any of these issues when he sent it to me.
> I have no reason to doubt him, but the edp has always had startup problems,
> and midi sync in ones as well.
>

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Standard troubleshooting for EDP weirdness is to unplug everything and reseat the memory SIMMS and check that the EPROMS haven&#39;t wiggled loose.&nbsp; Then reconnect only the power cord (no MIDI, no brothersync, etc.), then try to power up.&nbsp; There&#39;s also a reset to factory defaults button combination at startup that I can&#39;t recall off the top of my head, but it&#39;s in the manual and the LD Tools page.<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 1:31 PM, marcus kirby &lt;<a href="mailto:nrvana8775@gmail.com">nrvana8775@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Well, it&#39;s not actually dead, but it might as well be.<br><br>The EDP powers on for a minute or two, but after that it begins to display &quot;lo&quot; on the lcd, and none of the functions can be performed.<br><br>The fine folks at Gibson had no clue what that meant, and the service person that they referred me to has never seen an echoplex digital pro.<br>

<br>Has anyone come across this problem? I bought one from a member of the gear page, and he said he didn&#39;t have any of these issues when he sent it to me. I have no reason to doubt him, but the edp has always had startup problems, and midi sync in ones as well.<br>

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You might want to try removing the memory & cleaning the contacts.

John


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> From: marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> Subject: Echoplex died....NOOOO! Pleassse help.
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:31 PM
> Well, it's not actually dead, but it might as well be.
> 
> The EDP powers on for a minute or two, but after that it
> begins to display
> "lo" on the lcd, and none of the functions can be
> performed.
> 
> The fine folks at Gibson had no clue what that meant, and
> the service person
> that they referred me to has never seen an echoplex digital
> pro.
> 
> Has anyone come across this problem? I bought one from a
> member of the gear
> page, and he said he didn't have any of these issues
> when he sent it to me.
> I have no reason to doubt him, but the edp has always had
> startup problems,
> and midi sync in ones as well.


      

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I've got the H4.  Really?  can you take in tracks from the internal stereo mic AND the line ins at the same time?  I thought through the menu that you selected the input, and your choices are the internal mic, or line 1&2.

I might be mistaken.  the H4 hasn't seen too much use outside of being a stereo capture device during rehearsal or jamming.  I'll have to look into the four track mode more.

rich

---- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote: 
> I've got the H4.  I think it can do four tracks at once, in which case it
> meets all your other requirements.
> 
> TH
> 
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:41 PM, holotone@gmail.com <holotone@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I absolutely _adore_ my Zoom H3. Reasonably priced, great onboard mics,
> > chockfull of features to boot.
> >
> >

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(If someone should take interest:)

In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!

Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!

It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm using
a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping action
to be executed on the next foot switch kick.

Tech info:
I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper
for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Now THAT'S COOL!

Way to go, Per!

Next step is to translate this approach over to the Mac ... :-)

Dennis

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> (If someone should take interest:)
>
> In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
> ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!
>
> Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
> beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!
>
> It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm using
> a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping action
> to be executed on the next foot switch kick.
>
> Tech info:
> I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
> Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
> the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
> Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper
> for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>

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Per Boysen wrote:
> (If someone should take interest:)
> 
> In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
> ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!
> 
> Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
> beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!
> 
> It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm using
> a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping action
> to be executed on the next foot switch kick.
> 
> Tech info:
> I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
> Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
> the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
> Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper
> for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).

so one advantage is that the latency on the footswitch is the same as 
you get from the playing

andy
> 

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Brilliant. I'm all for the idea. Right now, my system is leaning toward only 
my MIDI Mouse pedal (one program button, and one preset up/down button) to 
freeze random loop functionlity, random effect selection/morphing, and 
random effect parameter manipulation.  I can do this now with my laptop 
keyboard, but doing it with the MIDI Mouse, will allow me to close the 
laptop lid forever!

Ahhhh, if I can just get to the point to where I'm just playing my 
instrument, yet reaping the benefits of computer technology. The best of 
both worlds for me.  I can't stand being a slave to my computer.

Kris

> (If someone should take interest:)
>
> In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
> ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!
>
> Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
> beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!
>
> It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm using
> a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping action
> to be executed on the next foot switch kick.
>
> Tech info:
> I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
> Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
> the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
> Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper
> for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
> 

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> Now THAT'S COOL!
> 
> Way to go, Per!
> 
> Next step is to translate this approach over to the Mac ... :-)

Max/msp. No problem.  We are OS neutral here. 

K-

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Thanks for your inputs so far. Summarizing, it seems to look like this:

1. The Zoom Stuff:
A lot of people are using the Zoom H2 and H4 (cole mentioned a Zoom H3, =
but I can't seem to find it on their website - are you sure you aren't =
referring to either the H2 or H4?)

The way it looks, neither the H2 nor the H4 can do what I want it to do =
(basically, recording four tracks at one, two of them from external line =
inputs). What Andy suggested - jury-rigging a H2 - may be possible - =
anybody wants to open his H2 up and check whether there's an ASSP which =
combines micpres and converters (in which case you would need to connect =
the rerouted line input to a micpre with a pad in line - something I'd =
like to avoid).

Btw, did anybody do (or know) a comparison of the H2 and H4 =
sound-quality-wise (esp. pres, internal mics)?

2. Other Solutions:
It seems that this is a product area with not that much competition. =
Even looking at some of those digital ministudios by e.g. Boss, Fostex, =
Tascam/Teac etc., most of them (and all of them in the sub-=E2=82=AC1000 =
price range) can only record two tracks at once.
The only exception here seems to be the Edirol R-44 (thanks, Norm, for =
mentioning that one). With that, you get four combo XLR-1/4'' inputs, =
built-in stereo mic and even a SPDIF input and can record from any =
stereo combination of these to up to two stereo tracks at once. It's =
only downside is the price tag, which is roughly three and a half Zoom =
H2.

Norm, could you please go into your experiences regarding the sound =
quality (again, mostly pres and internal mics)?

	Rainer

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> Next step is to translate this approach over to the Mac ... :-)
>
> Dennis


No need for translation - Bidule works exactly the same on both
systems! I simply open the same sessions on Mac and Windows.

What is missing on Mac though is a looper like Mobius. I'd love to
play through all those lovely Apple plug-ins of Logic and MainStage,
but a good looper is more important for me. The looper is as much "my
instrument" as my guitar, my flute or whatever I'd use to make noise.
But the day a scriptable AU looper comes around I will forever be out
of my Windows partition ;-)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill  
wrote:
> The way it looks, neither the H2 nor the H4 can do what I want it  
> to do

I would imagine that, while recording from external line inputs while  
the mics are live and recording, any tiny bump or physical shift of  
the line cables would be recorded loud and clear.
This means you would have to position the H4 or H2 in such a way that  
no one is going to accidently touch, walk on or disturb in any manner  
the input cables.
And this restriction may mean that you will not be able to position  
the recorder for the mics to capture optimally.


regards

BobC




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I can also recommend the H4, only got one last week, but Im very immpressed,
I was also looking for something with 4 trk mode, 2 mike + 2 lines, but alas
its either/or as far as I can tell. The built in mikes are fantastic, and
the box is chocko with gagets, like amp modelling, mike models (it can
pretend to be an SM58) and was a hoot last week, when I had to quickly write
a old school heavy metal track for a film im doing at work, (was trying to
rip off an Grand Funk Railroad thing ha ha). Now I have no idea if the
Marshall Stack sounds anything thing like a real one, but its good enuff for
me!!

It has a great 4 track recorder (only gripe being that effects must be added
on the inputs and cant be added afterwards per track, seems silly to me, its
all in there, guess they cant do 4 effects at once) Plus its a little fiddly
with the menu, easy to navigate, but fiddly, one joystick thingy is ok, but
the second jog wheel wotsit is around the corner and yet does most of the
work!!

I havent really done any serius field stuff yet, but made a wonderfull
"sound scape/ collage thingy" within minutes of opening the box, playing
piano strings, my trusty "Shinon Koran Tutor" plus the cat purring, oh and
the kids running about.

Here it is, just for sound quality evaluation, not artistic content.. All
made IN-Zoom, using the built in mikes.
www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/Piano_Koran_Cat_&_Kids.mp3

Oh ok.. heres the metal too... kinda ends in a silly noise, only first few
bars used in my film... beware... no looping content and definately not my
usual thing.. but mike modelling and Marshall Amp coutesy of zoom, (wah is a
cheap behringer)

www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/The_Side_Effect.mp3

When I think about the shitty recordings i made make in the 80's with 4
track recorders.. blimey them youngsters dont even know they're born now ,
do they..?

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I can also recommend the H4, only got one last week, but Im very immpressed, I was also looking for something with 4 trk mode, 2 mike + 2 lines, but alas its either/or as far as I can tell. The built in mikes are fantastic, and the box is chocko with gagets, like amp modelling, mike models (it can pretend to be an SM58) and was a hoot last week, when I had to quickly write a old school heavy metal track for a film im doing at work, (was trying to rip off an Grand Funk Railroad thing ha ha). Now I have no idea if the Marshall Stack sounds anything thing like a real one, but its good enuff for me!!<br>
<br>It has a great 4 track recorder (only gripe being that effects must be added on the inputs and cant be added afterwards per track, seems silly to me, its all in there, guess they cant do 4 effects at once) Plus its a little fiddly with the menu, easy to navigate, but fiddly, one joystick thingy is ok, but the second jog wheel wotsit is around the corner and yet does most of the work!!<br>
<br>I havent really done any serius field stuff yet, but made a wonderfull &quot;sound scape/ collage thingy&quot; within minutes of opening the box, playing piano strings, my trusty &quot;Shinon Koran Tutor&quot; plus the cat purring, oh and the kids running about. <br>
<br>Here it is, just for sound quality evaluation, not artistic content.. All made IN-Zoom, using the built in mikes.<br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/Piano_Koran_Cat_&amp;_Kids.mp3">www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/Piano_Koran_Cat_&amp;_Kids.mp3</a><br>
<br>Oh ok.. heres the metal too... kinda ends in a silly noise, only first few bars used in my film... beware... no looping content and definately not my usual thing.. but mike modelling and Marshall Amp coutesy of zoom, (wah is a cheap behringer)<br>
<br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/The_Side_Effect.mp3">www.markfrancombe.com/empathree/The_Side_Effect.mp3</a><br><br>When I think about the shitty recordings i made make in the 80&#39;s with 4 track recorders.. blimey them youngsters dont even know they&#39;re born now , do they..?<br>

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As Per points out, it isn't an OS issue, so much as a development
issue: we need a M=F6bius on the Mac ... I want to be able to use all
the custom instruments I have created the past 4 years and loop with
them.

Dennis

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>> Now THAT'S COOL!
>>
>> Way to go, Per!
>>
>> Next step is to translate this approach over to the Mac ... :-)
>
> Max/msp. No problem.  We are OS neutral here.
> K-
>
>

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sounds great but also risky... no doubt is going to be enormously rewarding
in the studio but who's gonna venture with all that travelling messages
between analog&digital worlds ... are so good the transducer you envisioned=
?
is it yet custom build?... how's toby's vst dealing with those "audio noise
bumps"? how quickly can you execute three, four ... mobius functions with
arming involved before you can launch them all? per, could you elaborate?
interesting thread ... everchanging master!. sorry for the extense
questionaire, but i'm also asking myself if going with some simplistic
approach (like yours) or still engaged to the foot controller.

at least guitarists can use the notebook's keyboard as a
way of getting rid of the mostruous fcb.

excuses for my bad english.

ra=FCl.


2008/6/21 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

> (If someone should take interest:)
>
> In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
> ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!
>
> Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
> beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!
>
> It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm using
> a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping action
> to be executed on the next foot switch kick.
>
> Tech info:
> I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
> Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
> the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
> Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper
> for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>


--=20
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com

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sounds great but also risky... no doubt is going to be enormously rewarding=
 in the studio but who&#39;s gonna venture with all that travelling message=
s between analog&amp;digital worlds ... are so good the transducer you envi=
sioned? is it yet custom build?... how&#39;s toby&#39;s vst dealing with th=
ose &quot;audio noise bumps&quot;? how quickly can you execute three, four =
... mobius functions with arming involved before you can launch them all? p=
er, could you elaborate? interesting thread ... everchanging master!. sorry=
 for the extense questionaire, but i&#39;m also asking myself if going with=
 some simplistic approach (like yours) or still engaged to the foot control=
ler. <br>
<br>at least guitarists can use the notebook&#39;s keyboard as a <br>way of=
 getting rid of the mostruous fcb.<br><br>excuses for my bad english.<br><b=
r>ra=FCl.<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2008/6/21 Per Boysen &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">(If someone shoul=
d take interest:)<br>
<br>
In order to minimize my gear I&#39;m building a new looping system with<br>
ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it&#39;s working very well!<br>
<br>
Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010<br>
beasts from Behringer? We don&#39;t need them!<br>
<br>
It&#39;s just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I&#39;m us=
ing<br>
a hand button pad to &quot;arm&quot; the foot switch for whatever looping a=
ction<br>
to be executed on the next foot switch kick.<br>
<br>
Tech info:<br>
I&#39;m plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.<br>
Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from<br>
the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with<br>
Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST looper<br>
for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards compatible).<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.boysen.se" target=3D"_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedi=
sh)<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.looproom.com" target=3D"_blank">www.looproom.com</a> =
(international)<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target=3D"_blank">www.myspace.=
com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orch=
estra: <a href=3D"http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica=
.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collec=
tive.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http=
://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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2008/6/21 Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>:

>
> at least guitarists can use the notebook's keyboard as a
> way of getting rid of the mostruous fcb.
>

i meant "tapping" guitarists ...
we have two in TPO.
:-)

ra=FCl.

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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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 getting rid of the mostruous fcb.<br></blockquote></div><br>i meant &quot;=
tapping&quot; guitarists ... <br>we have two in TPO.<br>:-)<br><br>ra=FCl.<=
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Sweet, Kris.  I like it.

richard sales
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vancouver island, b.c.
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www.hayleysales.com     www.joannesales.com
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On 15-Jun-08, at 8:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:
>
> Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock
> BEMF - Sunday -  http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4
>
> I'll have more later, plus  more pictures of the instrument.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
>> Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
>> old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
>> a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
>> there making noise in your hands?
>>
>> Per
>>
>>>> http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>>>
>>>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A 
>>>> friend of
>>>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth 
>>>> tusk, which
>>>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct 
>>>> roughly
>>>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual 
>>>> artifact!
>>>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, 
>>>> and its
>>>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the 
>>>> "The
>>>> Little Mammoth.""
>>>>
>>>> Kris
>

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Sweet, Kris.  I like it.


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On 15-Jun-08, at 8:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:


<excerpt>Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:


Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock

BEMF - Sunday -  http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4


I'll have more later, plus  more pictures of the instrument.


Kris


----- Original Message ----- 

<excerpt>Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have
played the

Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an

old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post

a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out

there making noise in your hands?


Per


<excerpt><excerpt>http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm


An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....


"The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend
of

Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk,
which

you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct
roughly

10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual
artifact!

I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and
its

"big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The

Little Mammoth.""


Kris

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I have been experimenting with using my guitar via Axon ax 50 to  
control Sooperlooper, Live and Mainstage. No Pedal. It can be done. I  
just ordered a Godin Spectrum to really did deep into this.
On Jun 20, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Brilliant. I'm all for the idea. Right now, my system is leaning  
> toward only my MIDI Mouse pedal (one program button, and one preset  
> up/down button) to freeze random loop functionlity, random effect  
> selection/morphing, and random effect parameter manipulation.  I  
> can do this now with my laptop keyboard, but doing it with the MIDI  
> Mouse, will allow me to close the laptop lid forever!
>
> Ahhhh, if I can just get to the point to where I'm just playing my  
> instrument, yet reaping the benefits of computer technology. The  
> best of both worlds for me.  I can't stand being a slave to my  
> computer.
>
> Kris
>
>> (If someone should take interest:)
>>
>> In order to minimize my gear I'm building a new looping system with
>> ONLY ONE PEDAL! And it's working very well!
>>
>> Why are we lugging around these horrendously heavy and huge FCB1010
>> beasts from Behringer? We don't need them!
>>
>> It's just a laptop and the tiny analog foot switch. And then I'm  
>> using
>> a hand button pad to "arm" the foot switch for whatever looping  
>> action
>> to be executed on the next foot switch kick.
>>
>> Tech info:
>> I'm plugging the switch into a mic pre amp input on the sound card.
>> Then a VST plug-in (Peakfreak by TobyBear) creates a MIDI note from
>> the incoming audio noise bump and I translate this MIDI note with
>> Plogue Bidule into the MIDI events I have set up the Mobius VST  
>> looper
>> for (correlates to my FCB pedal, so I will stay backwards  
>> compatible).
>>
>> -- 
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

On Jun 20, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Dennis Moser wrote:

> we need a M=F6bius on the Mac


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i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to  
OSX? do you need help from other programmers? more money?

sorry if this has been discussed on the list before and i missed it!


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I think this was the last time it was seriously discusssed.  Although for
some reason I also have the figure of $70K stuck in my head:

http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200606/msg00896.html



On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:57 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com>
wrote:

> i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to OSX?
> do you need help from other programmers? more money?
>
> sorry if this has been discussed on the list before and i missed it!
>
>
>

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I think this was the last time it was seriously discusssed.&nbsp; Although for some reason I also have the figure of $70K stuck in my head:<br><br><a href="http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200606/msg00896.html">http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200606/msg00896.html</a><br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:57 PM, info at zoekeating &lt;<a href="mailto:info@zoekeating.com">info@zoekeating.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
i&#39;m curious jeff, if you&#39;re here, what it would take to port this to OSX? do you need help from other programmers? more money?<br>
<br>
sorry if this has been discussed on the list before and i missed it!<br>
<br>
<br>
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Someone just needs to make the EDP software run on a mac or pc. I would =
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I did offer to take on this job on Jeff's behalf - if he'd let me
charge something for it. Which seemed reasonable, given that it would
take time away from other software projects which I make money from.

No dice though.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/21 info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com>:
> i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to OSX? do
> you need help from other programmers? more money?
>
> sorry if this has been discussed on the list before and i missed it!
>
>
>



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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> are so good the transducer you envisioned?
> is it yet custom build?...

It's just a normal analog switch! The cheap stuff you get as for the
sustain pedal function for a synth, just as an example. I can go into
any music store and pick up a new on for peanuts any day.

> how's toby's vst dealing with those "audio noise
> bumps"?

When "a noise bump" (me kicking the foot switch) arrives into mic
input 2 it goes into the Tobybear VST that translates it into a MIDI
note event. That is how this VST deals with it. It was created by
TobyBear to do exactly that; create MIDI from any audio signal input.

> how quickly can you execute three, four ... mobius functions with
> arming involved before you can launch them all?

I don't do it like that. I arm particular function (pressing button
with finger) and then I execute it by kicking the foot switch. I doing
for example Reverse, Overdub or Substitute, it just depends on how
fast I can tap my toe.

One difference though - and also the only reason I kept the FCB1010
for so long - is when you want to "play moog pedals". On the FCB you
can have all ten buttons targeting different Rate/Speed Shift values
in order to "play" melodies or chord sequences by feet. With my new
one-pedal setup I have to move my right hand to arm the next interval
to be pitched on the next foot tap. That may be a bit limiting if you
want to play really fast chord changes (for that you can use a script
that calls up next "chord" on the next foot tap, so you can tap
unquantized as fast or slow as the music needs. But then you have to
stick with that sequence of pitch intervals. That's no problem with me
though, I will make up a dozen of "pitch change intervals sequence"
pre-fabs to make improvisation smooth.


>  if going with some simplistic
> approach (like yours) or still engaged to the foot controller.

Well, I'm minimizing the physical side of the looping control gear -
but I'm maximizing the functionality of the rig. One important reason
is that I found the FCB too limited, not offering enough buttons for
the looping I want to do. Instead of 100 options in the FCB I can now
use 256 with the Faderfox buttonpad+footswitch. (and duplicating some
commands on the computer keys to use as "shortcut" in busy musical
situations)

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If this is going to happen I hope it will be an AU port!

Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market. Steinberg never did that
with their VST format and that's the reason we today never know which
VST will work with whicht host or together with other VST's.

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I use a shure A95UF for just this purpose - matching the low impedance mic 
signal from my flute mic into high impedance for my pedals.

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A GREAT little tool I have just bought for a small, mobile setup:

A MIC Impedance Matching converter with XLR IN and unbalanced OUT.
This really saves the preamp/mixer for an ultra-moble setup.
So, I can really directly plug the MIC into my Zoom G2 or Boss RC-2.

Buzap

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Per Boysen wrote:
> If this is going to happen I hope it will be an AU port!
> 
> Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
> badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market. 

translate:-
"Apple are looking into a way to get money.....again....just like M$"

there are 2 main ways a plug-in can crash

1) it accesses an area of memory that it shouldn't, only way to
   solve that would be to somehow ban plugins written in C++, C
   
2) it goes into an infinite loop for some reason...there's no way
   to guarantee that won't happen.


However, it *is* possible to work out some way of certificating the 
file that contains the software, and getting the host to refuse 
to run it. Microsoft already have something similar in place,  causing
Windows to display an "Unknown Publisher" message.

Any validation system is going to be an expense for the developer. 

Don't worry though, you should always be able to use any AU plugs
in non-Apple owned hosts.

andy butler



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> Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>> If this is going to happen I hope it will be an AU port!
>>
>> Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
>> badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> translate:-
> "Apple are looking into a way to get money.....again....just like M$"


I do not have a problem with that!
I prefer paying for quality and stability compared to wasting my time on crap.

-- 
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Per Boysen wrote:
>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>> If this is going to happen I hope it will be an AU port!
>>>
>>> Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
>>> badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:41 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> translate:-
>> "Apple are looking into a way to get money.....again....just like M$"
> 
> 
> I do not have a problem with that!
> I prefer paying for quality and stability compared to wasting my time on crap.
> 

perhaps there's more than one side to this,
what a big company says can be a bit misleading,
and what's more,
they're saying through their publicity department.

(and of course, I have slight reason to believe that you have an interest
in software that is produced by small time independent developers :-) 

I have some personal experience of what validation/certification means
from my business software. The checks that are done aren't to do with
"bad coding" directly. The applicant has to prove that they are 
a "bona-fide" company, they have to provide documents from their 
business. That *is* a way to weed out *some* problem software, but it's
no guarantee, and it's a barrier to small time developers, whether
or not that's the intention.

Now, of course my experience is from the M$ side of things, but 
it just isn't practical for Apple to do it differently by checking for "bad coding".
It would cost a fortune, and would mean that developers would be
handing over their source code to be checked.



As you'd be the first to acknowledge, there's a number of software developers on this list who don't write crap
software, and they might not want to pay to go through some Kafkaesque certification process.

andy butler


  

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Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Thanks for your inputs so far. Summarizing, it seems to look like this:
> 
> 1. The Zoom Stuff:
> Btw, did anybody do (or know) a comparison of the H2 and H4 sound-quality-wise (esp. pres, internal mics)?


According to "the internet" H2 and H4 use identical capsules.

Per had some examples of H4 mic recordings.

www.myspace.com/philipshamino
has some live band recordings made with an H2 on a mic stand in front of the band,
...it's mp3'd and myspace'd but gives a pretty good idea of what the H2 is
capable. The recordings are normalized and then boosted 3dB with hard limiting( which
just takes down a few enthusiastic drum hits). No EQ used.

The H2, (and H4 afaik) has a couple of interesting drawbacks.
1) line level input is -10dB with absolutely no headroom, so don't put it on 
    an FOH output without an attenuator of some kind.
2) The only volume control in the analog domain is a 3 position gain switch. All
   other volume controls, including limiter, are in the digital domain after the AD
   converters. So in simple terms "it doesn't have a volume control".

 andy


> 
> 2. Other Solutions:
> It seems that this is a product area with not that much competition. Even looking at some of those digital ministudios by e.g. Boss, Fostex, Tascam/Teac etc., most of them (and all of them in the sub-â‚¬1000 price range) can only record two tracks at once.
> The only exception here seems to be the Edirol R-44 (thanks, Norm, for mentioning that one). With that, you get four combo XLR-1/4'' inputs, built-in stereo mic and even a SPDIF input and can record from any stereo combination of these to up to two stereo tracks at once. It's only downside is the price tag, which is roughly three and a half Zoom H2.
> 
> Norm, could you please go into your experiences regarding the sound quality (again, mostly pres and internal mics)?
> 
> 	Rainer
> 
> 

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Okay ... a new MacBook that will dual-boot is not in the immediate
picture. Soooo ...

Any thoughts on minimum specs for a USED PC laptop to run M=F6bius as an
audio machine? Obviously, I can add RAM (but it means having a machine
to which RAM can be added) and put in a new larger hard drive.

I'll be experimenting with my "government issue" (i.e., the one from
work) PC Tablet, downloading M=F6bius for it and seeing what I can do
...but it means I won't have access to the custom soft synths I've
developed and used (for example,
http://audiozoloft.com/ToHear/31V2K8_hi.mp3 ), but I suppose I can
work on some alternatives to that while I have access to the looping
capabilities.

Dennis

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:57 AM, info at zoekeating
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> i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to OSX?=
 do
> you need help from other programmers? more money?
>
> sorry if this has been discussed on the list before and i missed it!
>
>
>

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> perhaps there's more than one side to this,
> what a big company says can be a bit misleading,
> and what's more,
> they're saying through their publicity department.
>
> (and of course, I have slight reason to believe that you have an interest
> in software that is produced by small time independent developers :-)
> I have some personal experience of what validation/certification means
> from my business software. The checks that are done aren't to do with
> "bad coding" directly. The applicant has to prove that they are a
> "bona-fide" company, they have to provide documents from their business.
> That *is* a way to weed out *some* problem software, but it's
> no guarantee, and it's a barrier to small time developers, whether
> or not that's the intention.
>
> Now, of course my experience is from the M$ side of things, but it just
> isn't practical for Apple to do it differently by checking for "bad coding".
> It would cost a fortune, and would mean that developers would be
> handing over their source code to be checked.
>
>
>
> As you'd be the first to acknowledge, there's a number of software
> developers on this list who don't write crap
> software, and they might not want to pay to go through some Kafkaesque
> certification process.
>
> andy butler


Since you answering to the list on things I'm not talking about in my
posts, I'd like to try another post here to explain my point better:

In particular I'm talking about the "Audio Unit Validator", a simple
utility that has already been around for some four or five years.
Together with a specification for the plug-in format this makes it
easy for small developers to (A) check out how to program an AU that
will be compatible with hosts etc and (B) bug check their work. Of
course some people "cheat" and do not check their coding according to
the format specification and then things may happen like this well
known example of AU host sequencers sending out a command for plug-ins
to empty the plug-in buffer before song start. Some AU plug-ins that
are not programmed to detect this call may then, after a sequencer
stop, start by throwing out the old audio buffer when called upon by a
song start message. That's just one example of the practical benefit
of having such a validating routine. We users can run the AU Validator
utility and get immediate feedback on which plug-ins on our system
that do not fulfill the AU specifications. This makes it easier for us
users to put together a stable music system. And it saves us a lot of
time.

As you see I'm not talking about "what a big company says // through
their publicity department" ;-). I'm talking about my own hands-on
experience of working with software for making music. But I have also
personally seen Apple affiliated developers taking personal contact
with freelance third-party plug-in developers just to help them get on
the track. So there is nothing like a "big company ignorant attitude"
among OS X application developers.

However, in the past OS X days Apple has done some goofy things, like
not releasing AU specifications early enough for 3d-p dev's to get
their stuff together on time for an upcoming major release - may be it
a system upgrade or some big application. I suppose THAT may be what
you have been hearing about? Yes, it sucks, and as you're saying it's
related to the way those big companies have to work under the pressure
of market competition; if you ever open up the doors to your
development lab just a tiny bit the other big companies will
immediately rip you off and take the revenue while you're own big
company still has to pay the development costs (like in that classical
Behringer example).

Finally - when I refer to not wanting to use "crap" tools that waste
my time, I don't mean that particular softwares are "crap". To me it's
the situation that is crap, since it robs me of my time. But that's
how it is and we have to live with it. We can't go back in time and
politely ask Steinberg to provide better guidance and control of VST
3d-p development. Today lots of stuff that make systems crash are
already out there. All I'm saying is that I don't have the time to
deal with all that and that I now prefer another more time efficient
method that is available.

This has nothing to do with musical qualities of VST plug-ins. I
decided to assemble the best VST plug-ins for Windows I could find, in
order to replicate my favorite patches from the TC Electronics
FireworX and Eventide Eclipse effect processor devices with the Mobius
VST looper. This project came out successfully and the funny thing is
that when Apple released MainStage I realized that what I had ben
building with Windows VST's in Bidule was actually "my own MainStage
for Windows". They are quite compatible, sound wise, but I would now
prefer to use Apple's MainStage as the host because all of Logic's
plug-ins are already there in-the-box. No need to fiddle around
looking for new VST's and test them, because Emagic (now with Apple's
financing) has already done all that work in order to provide me a
stable sound design palette.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wro=
te:

> Any thoughts on minimum specs for a USED PC laptop to run M=F6bius as an
> audio machine? Obviously, I can add RAM (but it means having a machine
> to which RAM can be added) and put in a new larger hard drive.


Yes. My first Mobius laptop was a ZEPTO centrino with a single core 2
GHz CPU (Intel P-M 755 2 MB Cache) and 1 GB ram. That machine worked
perfectly well, crystal clear sound even when simultaneously
manipulating eight parallel tracks or loops. I often made minute long
stereo loops. It seems looping audio is pretty light on the processor.

However, the ZEPTO could not handle everything when I started to build
also sound design effect chains to play through. What happened then
was that I got audio artifacts when playing through my most CPU heavy
patches.

For laptops I have only had good results with firewire (and card bus,
PCMCIA) based audio interfaces. I have tried a couple of USB2 based
interfaces but they did not deliver clear sound, so I took them back
to the vendor.

--=20
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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How different is Mobius from Sooperlooper. Both use the EDP paradigm.  
Is Mobius superior?
On Jun 21, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM, andy butler  
> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> perhaps there's more than one side to this,
>> what a big company says can be a bit misleading,
>> and what's more,
>> they're saying through their publicity department.
>>
>> (and of course, I have slight reason to believe that you have an  
>> interest
>> in software that is produced by small time independent developers :-)
>> I have some personal experience of what validation/certification  
>> means
>> from my business software. The checks that are done aren't to do with
>> "bad coding" directly. The applicant has to prove that they are a
>> "bona-fide" company, they have to provide documents from their  
>> business.
>> That *is* a way to weed out *some* problem software, but it's
>> no guarantee, and it's a barrier to small time developers, whether
>> or not that's the intention.
>>
>> Now, of course my experience is from the M$ side of things, but it  
>> just
>> isn't practical for Apple to do it differently by checking for  
>> "bad coding".
>> It would cost a fortune, and would mean that developers would be
>> handing over their source code to be checked.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you'd be the first to acknowledge, there's a number of software
>> developers on this list who don't write crap
>> software, and they might not want to pay to go through some  
>> Kafkaesque
>> certification process.
>>
>> andy butler
>
>
> Since you answering to the list on things I'm not talking about in my
> posts, I'd like to try another post here to explain my point better:
>
> In particular I'm talking about the "Audio Unit Validator", a simple
> utility that has already been around for some four or five years.
> Together with a specification for the plug-in format this makes it
> easy for small developers to (A) check out how to program an AU that
> will be compatible with hosts etc and (B) bug check their work. Of
> course some people "cheat" and do not check their coding according to
> the format specification and then things may happen like this well
> known example of AU host sequencers sending out a command for plug-ins
> to empty the plug-in buffer before song start. Some AU plug-ins that
> are not programmed to detect this call may then, after a sequencer
> stop, start by throwing out the old audio buffer when called upon by a
> song start message. That's just one example of the practical benefit
> of having such a validating routine. We users can run the AU Validator
> utility and get immediate feedback on which plug-ins on our system
> that do not fulfill the AU specifications. This makes it easier for us
> users to put together a stable music system. And it saves us a lot of
> time.
>
> As you see I'm not talking about "what a big company says // through
> their publicity department" ;-). I'm talking about my own hands-on
> experience of working with software for making music. But I have also
> personally seen Apple affiliated developers taking personal contact
> with freelance third-party plug-in developers just to help them get on
> the track. So there is nothing like a "big company ignorant attitude"
> among OS X application developers.
>
> However, in the past OS X days Apple has done some goofy things, like
> not releasing AU specifications early enough for 3d-p dev's to get
> their stuff together on time for an upcoming major release - may be it
> a system upgrade or some big application. I suppose THAT may be what
> you have been hearing about? Yes, it sucks, and as you're saying it's
> related to the way those big companies have to work under the pressure
> of market competition; if you ever open up the doors to your
> development lab just a tiny bit the other big companies will
> immediately rip you off and take the revenue while you're own big
> company still has to pay the development costs (like in that classical
> Behringer example).
>
> Finally - when I refer to not wanting to use "crap" tools that waste
> my time, I don't mean that particular softwares are "crap". To me it's
> the situation that is crap, since it robs me of my time. But that's
> how it is and we have to live with it. We can't go back in time and
> politely ask Steinberg to provide better guidance and control of VST
> 3d-p development. Today lots of stuff that make systems crash are
> already out there. All I'm saying is that I don't have the time to
> deal with all that and that I now prefer another more time efficient
> method that is available.
>
> This has nothing to do with musical qualities of VST plug-ins. I
> decided to assemble the best VST plug-ins for Windows I could find, in
> order to replicate my favorite patches from the TC Electronics
> FireworX and Eventide Eclipse effect processor devices with the Mobius
> VST looper. This project came out successfully and the funny thing is
> that when Apple released MainStage I realized that what I had ben
> building with Windows VST's in Bidule was actually "my own MainStage
> for Windows". They are quite compatible, sound wise, but I would now
> prefer to use Apple's MainStage as the host because all of Logic's
> plug-ins are already there in-the-box. No need to fiddle around
> looking for new VST's and test them, because Emagic (now with Apple's
> financing) has already done all that work in order to provide me a
> stable sound design palette.
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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Another point about H2 vs. H4 - with the H4, you can use external mics that=
 require phantom power; the H2 just has an 1/8" jack.


Ted.

&quot;Enemies are good for self-definition.&quot; Werner Herzog

--- On Sat, 6/21/08, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Quest for a mobile recorder: summary (so far)
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 4:15 AM

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Thanks for your inputs so far. Summarizing, it seems to look like this:
>=20
> 1. The Zoom Stuff:
> Btw, did anybody do (or know) a comparison of the H2 and H4
sound-quality-wise (esp. pres, internal mics)?


According to "the internet" H2 and H4 use identical capsules.

Per had some examples of H4 mic recordings.

www.myspace.com/philipshamino
has some live band recordings made with an H2 on a mic stand in front of th=
e
band,
...it's mp3'd and myspace'd but gives a pretty good idea of what
the H2 is
capable. The recordings are normalized and then boosted 3dB with hard limit=
ing(
which
just takes down a few enthusiastic drum hits). No EQ used.

The H2, (and H4 afaik) has a couple of interesting drawbacks.
1) line level input is -10dB with absolutely no headroom, so don't put it
on=20
    an FOH output without an attenuator of some kind.
2) The only volume control in the analog domain is a 3 position gain switch=
.
All
   other volume controls, including limiter, are in the digital domain afte=
r
the AD
   converters. So in simple terms "it doesn't have a volume
control".

 andy


>=20
> 2. Other Solutions:
> It seems that this is a product area with not that much competition. Even
looking at some of those digital ministudios by e.g. Boss, Fostex, Tascam/T=
eac
etc., most of them (and all of them in the sub-=A41000 price range) can onl=
y
record two tracks at once.
> The only exception here seems to be the Edirol R-44 (thanks, Norm, for
mentioning that one). With that, you get four combo XLR-1/4'' inputs,
built-in stereo mic and even a SPDIF input and can record from any stereo
combination of these to up to two stereo tracks at once. It's only downside
is the price tag, which is roughly three and a half Zoom H2.
>=20
> Norm, could you please go into your experiences regarding the sound
quality (again, mostly pres and internal mics)?
>=20
> =09Rainer
>=20
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H4, you can use external mics that require phantom power; the H2 just has a=
n 1/8" jack.<br><br><br>Ted.<br><br>&amp;quot;Enemies are good for self-def=
inition.&amp;quot; Werner Herzog<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/21/08, andy butler=
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or a mobile recorder: summary (so far)<br>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig=
ht.com<br>Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 4:15 AM<br><br><pre>Rainer Theloni=
us Balthasar Straschill wrote:<br>&gt; Thanks for your inputs so far. Summa=
rizing, it seems to look like this:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 1. The Zoom Stuff:<br>=
&gt; Btw, did anybody do (or know) a comparison of the H2 and
 H4<br>sound-quality-wise (esp. pres, internal mics)?<br><br><br>According =
to "the internet" H2 and H4 use identical capsules.<br><br>Per had some exa=
mples of H4 mic recordings.<br><br>www.myspace.com/philipshamino<br>has som=
e live band recordings made with an H2 on a mic stand in front of the<br>ba=
nd,<br>...it's mp3'd and myspace'd but gives a pretty good idea of what<br>=
the H2 is<br>capable. The recordings are normalized and then boosted 3dB wi=
th hard limiting(<br>which<br>just takes down a few enthusiastic drum hits)=
. No EQ used.<br><br>The H2, (and H4 afaik) has a couple of interesting dra=
wbacks.<br>1) line level input is -10dB with absolutely no headroom, so don=
't put it<br>on <br>    an FOH output without an attenuator of some kind.<b=
r>2) The only volume control in the analog domain is a 3 position gain swit=
ch.<br>All<br>   other volume controls, including limiter, are in the digit=
al domain after<br>the AD<br>   converters. So in simple terms "it
 doesn't have a volume<br>control".<br><br> andy<br><br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; 2=
. Other Solutions:<br>&gt; It seems that this is a product area with not th=
at much competition. Even<br>looking at some of those digital ministudios b=
y e.g. Boss, Fostex, Tascam/Teac<br>etc., most of them (and all of them in =
the sub-=A41000 price range) can only<br>record two tracks at once.<br>&gt;=
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mentioning that one). With that, you get four combo XLR-1/4'' inputs,<br>bu=
ilt-in stereo mic and even a SPDIF input and can record from any stereo<br>=
combination of these to up to two stereo tracks at once. It's only downside=
<br>is the price tag, which is roughly three and a half Zoom H2.<br>&gt; <b=
r>&gt; Norm, could you please go into your experiences regarding the sound<=
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Thanks, Per ... that's exactly the kind of data I'm looking for ... I
figured Firewire was going to be my friend if I went the PC route
anyway and I probably won't be doing any serious effects chains in
that environment yet anyway (still using a lot of outboard hardware
for that as it is, adnd I what I do have in software is Mac-specific
... :-( ...).

Dennis

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> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> w=
rote:
>
>> Any thoughts on minimum specs for a USED PC laptop to run M=F6bius as an
>> audio machine? Obviously, I can add RAM (but it means having a machine
>> to which RAM can be added) and put in a new larger hard drive.
>
>
> Yes. My first Mobius laptop was a ZEPTO centrino with a single core 2
> GHz CPU (Intel P-M 755 2 MB Cache) and 1 GB ram. That machine worked
> perfectly well, crystal clear sound even when simultaneously
> manipulating eight parallel tracks or loops. I often made minute long
> stereo loops. It seems looping audio is pretty light on the processor.
>
> However, the ZEPTO could not handle everything when I started to build
> also sound design effect chains to play through. What happened then
> was that I got audio artifacts when playing through my most CPU heavy
> patches.
>
> For laptops I have only had good results with firewire (and card bus,
> PCMCIA) based audio interfaces. I have tried a couple of USB2 based
> interfaces but they did not deliver clear sound, so I took them back
> to the vendor.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> How different is Mobius from Sooperlooper. Both use the EDP paradigm. Is
> Mobius superior?


No. I use both and think the question whether one "is superior" has
more to do with the needs of a particular user. Read the manuals and
you will find out which one is best for you!

As for me, I like the scripting function of Mobius, which allows me to
set up my own version of functionalities - like for example assigning
many looper functions to the same control button (first press goes
Record, second press goes Overdub, third press does leave Overdub
mode... etc etc). Another user might like SooperLooper better because
it runs both under Linux and Mac OS X, or because it supports OSC.
These two loopers are quite different.

Mobius started out from the EDP paradigm, but I think it has now grown
into a unique looper in its own right. Since the first version it must
have picked up many hundred percent new functionality,  compared to
the "square one" original EDP concept. This happened thanks to the
dedicated Mobius mailing list and the fact that developer Jeff Larson
for a period happened to have a lot of time available to implement all
the crazy feature wishes we kept spamming his list with ;-)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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>>
>> As you'd be the first to acknowledge, there's a number of software
>> developers on this list who don't write crap
>> software, and they might not want to pay to go through some Kafkaesque
>> certification process.
>>
>> andy butler
> 
> 

Per Boysen wrote:
> Since you answering to the list on things I'm not talking about in my
> posts, I'd like to try another post here to explain my point better:
> 
> In particular I'm talking about the "Audio Unit Validator", a simple
> utility that has already been around for some four or five years.
> Together with a specification for the plug-in format this makes it
> easy for small developers to (A) check out how to program an AU that
> will be compatible with hosts etc and (B) bug check their work. 


ok, that sounds cool :-)

"Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market."

translate

"Apple is putting some serious effort to help developers make plugins
  that conform to the AU standard."


which doesn't have any of the sinister resonance for me 


andy

 

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Cool, Dennis! I can add that I too was combining the laptop with
outboard hardware, like you are planning to. I was running a TC
Electronics FirworX MIDI Clock synced to Mobius and plugged my
instrument sound directly into the TC. The TC was digitally connected
to the laptop audio interface by an optical ADAT pipe. That was an
awesome system for a "not so powerful" laptop.

per


On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wro=
te:
> Thanks, Per ... that's exactly the kind of data I'm looking for ... I
> figured Firewire was going to be my friend if I went the PC route
> anyway and I probably won't be doing any serious effects chains in
> that environment yet anyway (still using a lot of outboard hardware
> for that as it is, adnd I what I do have in software is Mac-specific
> ... :-( ...).
>
> Dennis
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>>
>>> Any thoughts on minimum specs for a USED PC laptop to run M=F6bius as a=
n
>>> audio machine? Obviously, I can add RAM (but it means having a machine
>>> to which RAM can be added) and put in a new larger hard drive.
>>
>>
>> Yes. My first Mobius laptop was a ZEPTO centrino with a single core 2
>> GHz CPU (Intel P-M 755 2 MB Cache) and 1 GB ram. That machine worked
>> perfectly well, crystal clear sound even when simultaneously
>> manipulating eight parallel tracks or loops. I often made minute long
>> stereo loops. It seems looping audio is pretty light on the processor.
>>
>> However, the ZEPTO could not handle everything when I started to build
>> also sound design effect chains to play through. What happened then
>> was that I got audio artifacts when playing through my most CPU heavy
>> patches.
>>
>> For laptops I have only had good results with firewire (and card bus,
>> PCMCIA) based audio interfaces. I have tried a couple of USB2 based
>> interfaces but they did not deliver clear sound, so I took them back
>> to the vendor.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>
>



--=20
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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wow ! looks and sounds gorgeous ...

2008/6/21 Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com>:

> Sweet, Kris.  I like it.
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> www.glassWing.com     www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com     www.joannesales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> www.broombusters.org
> On 15-Jun-08, at 8:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>  Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:
>>
>> Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock
>> BEMF - Sunday -  http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4
>>
>> I'll have more later, plus  more pictures of the instrument.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>> Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the
>>> Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it's awesome. This was an
>>> old post of Kris' pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post
>>> a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it's finally out
>>> there making noise in your hands?
>>>
>>> Per
>>>
>>>  http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....
>>>>>
>>>>> "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend
>>>>> of
>>>>> Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk,
>>>>> which
>>>>> you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct
>>>>> roughly
>>>>> 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual
>>>>> artifact!
>>>>> I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and
>>>>> its
>>>>> "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the "The
>>>>> Little Mammoth.""
>>>>>
>>>>> Kris
>>>>>
>>>>
>>


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wow ! looks and sounds gorgeous ... <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/21 Richard Sales &lt;<a href="mailto:richard@glasswing.com">richard@glasswing.com</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Sweet, Kris. &nbsp;I like it.<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
richard sales<br>
glassWing farm and studio<br>
vancouver island, b.c.<br>
<a href="http://www.glassWing.com" target="_blank">www.glassWing.com</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.richardsales.com" target="_blank">www.richardsales.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.hayleysales.com" target="_blank">www.hayleysales.com</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.joannesales.com" target="_blank">www.joannesales.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com" target="_blank">www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.broombusters.org" target="_blank">www.broombusters.org</a><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
On 15-Jun-08, at 8:05 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Here are the first live clips from The Little Mammoth:<br>
<br>
Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, &amp; Jared Hallock<br>
BEMF - Sunday - &nbsp;<a href="http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4" target="_blank">http://www.box.net/shared/13edevpws4</a><br>
<br>
I&#39;ll have more later, plus &nbsp;more pictures of the instrument.<br>
<br>
Kris<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Interesting! Small hollow-body guitars are nice. I have played the<br>
Ibanez Georg Benson model a lot and think it&#39;s awesome. This was an<br>
old post of Kris&#39; pen that bounced back into the loop - will you post<br>
a follow up? How does the Little Mammoth do now when it&#39;s finally out<br>
there making noise in your hands?<br>
<br>
Per<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

<a href="http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm</a><br>
<br>
An excerpt that really makes this guitar special....<br>
<br>
&quot;The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of<br>
Bobby&#39;s from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk, which<br>
you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct roughly<br>
10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an actual artifact!<br>
I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of the guitar, and its<br>
&quot;big guitar sized&quot; tone reported by Bobby, I named the guitar the &quot;The<br>
Little Mammoth.&quot;&quot;<br>
<br>
Kris<br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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Hello everyone,

do you guys know if there is a way to use the mighty Echoplex as a simple
delay pedal?maybe with a tap tempo function? and feedback control?

Thank you

Diego

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Hello everyone,<br><br>do you guys know if there is a way to use the mighty Echoplex as a simple delay pedal?maybe with a tap tempo function? and feedback control?<br><br>Thank you <br><br>Diego<br>

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, diego biagioni
<diego.biagioni@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> do you guys know if there is a way to use the mighty Echoplex as a simple
> delay pedal?maybe with a tap tempo function? and feedback control?
>
> Thank you
>
> Diego


Yes! Leave the Overdub on and adjust the feedback knob for delay
density/feedback.

The way to do "Tap Tempo" is to kick twice: first on Record then on Overdub.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Fabulous!

Thanks a lot
;D

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, diego biagioni
> <diego.biagioni@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > do you guys know if there is a way to use the mighty Echoplex as a simple
> > delay pedal?maybe with a tap tempo function? and feedback control?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Diego
>
>
> Yes! Leave the Overdub on and adjust the feedback knob for delay
> density/feedback.
>
> The way to do "Tap Tempo" is to kick twice: first on Record then on
> Overdub.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>

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Fabulous!<br><br>Thanks a lot <br>;D<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, diego biagioni<br>
&lt;<a href="mailto:diego.biagioni@gmail.com">diego.biagioni@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hello everyone,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; do you guys know if there is a way to use the mighty Echoplex as a simple<br>
&gt; delay pedal?maybe with a tap tempo function? and feedback control?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thank you<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Diego<br>
<br>
<br>
</div></div>Yes! Leave the Overdub on and adjust the feedback knob for delay<br>
density/feedback.<br>
<br>
The way to do &quot;Tap Tempo&quot; is to kick twice: first on Record then on Overdub.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>

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Great, that literally doubles the fun :-). Thanks for sharing, Ben!   
Do you happen to have more info on this hidden mode? What's the  
multiply function?

Cheers

Nico


Am 20.06.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Ben:

> I also have one and it's real fun to be able to play some looping  
> music everywhere.
> Don't forget to test the "hidden mode" (turn it on while holding  
> both "loop/rec" and "tap/tempo" buttons untill the display shows  
> "Dly"), you'll have then 16 beats instead of 8 and the possibility  
> to "multiply" a recorded loop. I use it a lot in this mode. Lot of  
> fun. I really like the "force to scale" feature.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico Spahni" <nicosp@gmx.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Kaossilator
>
>
>> Kyle, I got mine some two weeks ago. It's an amazing little gadget.
>> Loopwise it's not that sophisticated. I like the erase function,
>> though. It allows you to erase ultra short sections in a loop, which
>> can produce interesting stuttering effects. BTW, I've mounted my
>> Kaossilator (and my Kaosspad) on my guitar (thanks to whoever
>> invented velcro tape!). Here's a picture (without Kaossilator). The
>> Kaossilator now sits snuggly in the other empty slot.
>>
>> http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg
>>
>> Cheers from Switzerland
>>
>> Nico
>>
>> www.recpro.ch
>> www.myspace.com/nicospahni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 19.06.2008 um 01:16 schrieb K D Patten:
>>
>>> lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my Korg Kaossilator
>>> is on its way....looking forward  to adding it to my mix ...any one
>>> played with these things?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kyle Dean Patten
>>> P.O. Box 22
>>> Johnston, IA  50131
>>>
>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>>> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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On Jun 20, 2008, at 11:57 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:

 > i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to
 > OSX? do you need help from other programmers? more money?

I was actually working on the Mac port today :-)

It's really not a matter of money, it's a matter of time.  Most of  
Mobius
was developed during a period when my real job was not very demanding.
I don't have that luxury now but I still try to chip away at it when  
I can.
My top priority right now is the Mac port but it will be several  
months away
at best.

I appreciated Os' offer to help but at this time I don't want to muddy
up the copyright or licensing.

Regarding an AU plugin: I will likely do a VST first and get it  
working under Bidule
and Live because that code is already written.  When that is stable  
I'll look
at making it an AU.

Thanks for your interest,
Jeff


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I think you just made a lot of people very happy!

So, I have "several months" to corner the market with a cross-platform
software looper? :)


cheers,
os.


2008/6/21 Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com>:
>
> On Jun 20, 2008, at 11:57 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:
>
>> i'm curious jeff, if you're here, what it would take to port this to
>> OSX? do you need help from other programmers? more money?
>
> I was actually working on the Mac port today :-)
>
> It's really not a matter of money, it's a matter of time.  Most of Mobius
> was developed during a period when my real job was not very demanding.
> I don't have that luxury now but I still try to chip away at it when I can.
> My top priority right now is the Mac port but it will be several months away
> at best.
>
> I appreciated Os' offer to help but at this time I don't want to muddy
> up the copyright or licensing.
>
> Regarding an AU plugin: I will likely do a VST first and get it working
> under Bidule
> and Live because that code is already written.  When that is stable I'll
> look
> at making it an AU.
>
> Thanks for your interest,
> Jeff
>
>
>



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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> wrote:

> Regarding an AU plugin: I will likely do a VST first and get it working
> under Bidule
> and Live because that code is already written.  When that is stable I'll
> look
> at making it an AU.


Wow, this is so good news! I think we may be able to host it in
MainStage (and Logic) anyway, by first opening the VST in Bidule and
then save the session as a Bidule Group. Such Bidule Group can be
opened as an AU in an AU host. For this to work you have to buy the
Early Bird license of Bidule, you don't get the option to run Bidule
as a plug-in with the free version.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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Regarding the R-44:=20
I think you will find that both the internal mics and pres are a step =
above those used in less expensive devices like the Zooms. The device is =
intended for professional video work (like the older r-4 and r-4 pro), =
and can record up to 192k at 24 bit depth.=20
Subjectively, I am very pleased with the unit. I've been working on some =
tests but have nothing yet that can be used to directly compare with =
other portable devices.  Using a dummy mic, I have found the pres to be =
a bit lower noise than (for example) an E-MU 1820m which is (to my ears) =
pretty good.
--Norm

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Thanks for your inputs so far. Summarizing, it seems to look like this:

1. The Zoom Stuff:
A lot of people are using the Zoom H2 and H4 (cole mentioned a Zoom H3, =
but I can't seem to find it on their website - are you sure you aren't =
referring to either the H2 or H4?)

The way it looks, neither the H2 nor the H4 can do what I want it to do =
(basically, recording four tracks at one, two of them from external line =
inputs). What Andy suggested - jury-rigging a H2 - may be possible - =
anybody wants to open his H2 up and check whether there's an ASSP which =
combines micpres and converters (in which case you would need to connect =
the rerouted line input to a micpre with a pad in line - something I'd =
like to avoid).

Btw, did anybody do (or know) a comparison of the H2 and H4 =
sound-quality-wise (esp. pres, internal mics)?

2. Other Solutions:
It seems that this is a product area with not that much competition. =
Even looking at some of those digital ministudios by e.g. Boss, Fostex, =
Tascam/Teac etc., most of them (and all of them in the sub-=E2=82=AC1000 =
price range) can only record two tracks at once.
The only exception here seems to be the Edirol R-44 (thanks, Norm, for =
mentioning that one). With that, you get four combo XLR-1/4'' inputs, =
built-in stereo mic and even a SPDIF input and can record from any =
stereo combination of these to up to two stereo tracks at once. It's =
only downside is the price tag, which is roughly three and a half Zoom =
H2.

Norm, could you please go into your experiences regarding the sound =
quality (again, mostly pres and internal mics)?

	Rainer

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> the Zooms. The device is intended for professional video work 
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> at 24 bit depth. 

It's always funny why people bother with 192kHz. Let's take the R-44 as an
example: frequency response is specified as 20-40k (+0/-3dB), which
typically comes down to about 20-27k (+0/-0.1) - so why do people even
bother with 192kHz?

> Subjectively, I am very pleased with the unit. I've been 

This is a statement that is imo much more valuable than the 192kHz...and
I'll definitely consider the R-44 (although it's more than three times the
price, about eight times the size and more than ten times the weight of the
Zoom H2...)

	Rainer

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The reason for this is that after the D/A converter the signal (which =20
is a series of discreet stepped voltages) is passed through a low-pass =20
filter (to smooth out the edges).  At 192khz, the cutoff frequency is =20
high enough that it won't cause any noticeable effect on the audio =20
signal.

All, the same... I work at 48khz.  The bit depth seems to make a =20
bigger difference than the sample rate (at least for my work) so I run =20
at 24 bit, 48khz.

The reason I run at 48khz is that my Kurzweil's (K2600) ADAT output is =20
at 48khz.

-- Kevin

Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de>:

>> the Zooms. The device is intended for professional video work
>> (like the older r-4 and r-4 pro), and can record up to 192k
>> at 24 bit depth.
>
> It's always funny why people bother with 192kHz. Let's take the R-44 as an
> example: frequency response is specified as 20-40k (+0/-3dB), which
> typically comes down to about 20-27k (+0/-0.1) - so why do people even
> bother with 192kHz?
>
>> Subjectively, I am very pleased with the unit. I've been
>
> This is a statement that is imo much more valuable than the 192kHz...and
> I'll definitely consider the R-44 (although it's more than three times the
> price, about eight times the size and more than ten times the weight of th=
e
> Zoom H2...)
>
> =09Rainer
>
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Hi,

If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to do
loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause when Insert
is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can't do a Muliply -
Record move with the standard foot controller.

Correct?

Thanks,

Ritchie


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Hi,<br><br>If I&#39;m in &#39;stutter mode&#39; with &#39;insert&#39; on SUS....... am I able to do loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?&nbsp; Cause when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can&#39;t do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot 
controller.<br><br>Correct?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ritchie<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche<br><a href="http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/">http://murdergrin.blogspot.com</a><br>


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oh,
and also I should apologise 
for going so far off track there

andy

andy butler wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>
>>> As you'd be the first to acknowledge, there's a number of software
>>> developers on this list who don't write crap
>>> software, and they might not want to pay to go through some Kafkaesque
>>> certification process.
>>>
>>> andy butler
>>
>>
> 
> Per Boysen wrote:
>> Since you answering to the list on things I'm not talking about in my
>> posts, I'd like to try another post here to explain my point better:
>>
>> In particular I'm talking about the "Audio Unit Validator", a simple
>> utility that has already been around for some four or five years.
>> Together with a specification for the plug-in format this makes it
>> easy for small developers to (A) check out how to program an AU that
>> will be compatible with hosts etc and (B) bug check their work. 
> 
> 
> ok, that sounds cool :-)
> 
> "Apple is putting some serious effort into a validation system to keep
> badly coded AU plug-ins out of the market."
> 
> translate
> 
> "Apple is putting some serious effort to help developers make plugins
>  that conform to the AU standard."
> 
> 
> which doesn't have any of the sinister resonance for me
> 
> andy
> 
> 
> 
> 

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here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI

Michael www.michaelpeters.de

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Wonderful !!  

-Qua

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here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI

Michael www.michaelpeters.de

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Nice.. if you dont mind me asking, what was just beginning to make the
analog sequencer sounds at the end of the clip, didnt sound like edp sus
stuff...

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI
>
> Michael www.michaelpeters.de
>
>


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Nice.. if you dont mind me asking, what was just beginning to make the analog sequencer sounds at the end of the clip, didnt sound like edp sus stuff...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Michael Peters &lt;<a href="mailto:mp@mpeters.de">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the<br>
Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called &#39;Loft&#39;.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI</a><br>
<br>
Michael <a href="http://www.michaelpeters.de" target="_blank">www.michaelpeters.de</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.markfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href="http://www.looop.no">www.looop.no</a>

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   =46rom my understanding / use of loop windowing, it happens when you =20=

redefine a loop's length, whether that be with a sus function or not, =20=

and then undo from there.  The undone loop will have the new loop =20
length, but step through the Echoplex's memory of the loop's history =20
with it's previous length(s).

   As the new length is used though, (being that it is different than =20=

the loop's original length before the undo) some of the loops you'll =20
get will consist of parts of previous loops, and depending on the new =20=

loop length, you may hear two or more generations of a loop at once, =20
or a smaller part of a single generation.  Does that make sense?=85
   For example, if you have a vocal loop with the numbers 1, 2, 3, and =20=

4, and you were to sus multiply it to a loop which only had 2 and 3 =20
announced in it, and then did an undo, you might end up with a loop =20
containing something like:

1 2
and then 4 1
and then 3 4=85  -and so on as you kept windowing through loops=85

   The loop containing the '4 1' would play the '4' from the previous =20=

generation of the audio in the '1 2 3 4' loop along with the '1' from =20=

the newest generation you'd just multiplied and undone.

   The '3 4' loop would play only the audio from the previous =20
generation of the original loop.

   Apologies if this isn't the most sensible descript!  lol!

   So loop windowing is possible whether you use a sus multiply or not.

I use a midi controller, but have done this without one, however it's =20=

been a while since I've done it, so please, if my info is off, I hope =20=

someone who uses the plex this way will chime in.  :)

   anyway, HTH and have an awesome day!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:43 AM, r.domain wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to do =20=

> loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause when =20=

> Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can't do =20=

> a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.
>
> Correct?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ritchie
>
>
> --=20
> Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
> http://murdergrin.blogspot.com

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understanding / use of loop windowing, it happens when you redefine a =
loop's length, whether that be with a sus function or not, and then undo =
from there. &nbsp;The undone loop will have the new loop length, but =
step through the Echoplex's memory of the loop's history with it's =
previous length(s). &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;As the new =
length is used though, (being that it is different than the loop's =
original length before the undo) some of the loops you'll get will =
consist of parts of previous loops, and depending on the new loop =
length, you may hear two or more generations of a loop at once, or a =
smaller part of a single generation. &nbsp;Does that make sense?=85 =
&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;For example, if you have a vocal loop with =
the numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4, and you were to sus multiply it to a loop =
which only had 2 and 3 announced in it, and then did an undo, you might =
end up with a loop containing something like:</div><div><br></div><div>1 =
2</div><div>and then 4 1</div><div>and then 3 4=85 &nbsp;-and so on as =
you kept windowing through loops=85 =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;The loop containing the '4 =
1' would play the '4' from the previous generation of the audio in the =
'1 2 3 4' loop along with the '1' from the newest generation you'd just =
multiplied and undone. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;The =
'3 4' loop would play only the audio from the previous generation of the =
original loop. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;Apologies if =
this isn't the most sensible descript! &nbsp;lol! =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;So loop windowing is =
possible whether you use a sus multiply or not. =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I use a midi controller, but have done =
this without one, however it's been a while since I've done it, so =
please, if my info is off, I hope someone who uses the plex this way =
will chime in. &nbsp;:) =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;anyway, HTH and have an =
awesome day!=85 =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Smiles,</div><div><br></div><div>Cara =
&nbsp;:)</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 22, 2008, at 3:43 =
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midi pedal?&nbsp; Cause when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also =
SUS therefore I can't do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot =
controller.<br><br>Correct?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ritchie<br><br =
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Michael, very, very nice!=85  Any chance we could here this in its =20
entirety?=85

   Thanks very much for sharing!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael Peters wrote:

> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5nUav3FOhDI
>
> Michael www.michaelpeters.de
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> if you dont mind me asking, what was just beginning to make the analog
sequencer sounds at the end of the clip, didnt sound like edp sus stuff... 
 
it was EDP sus stuff :-)
 
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r.domain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to do 
> loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause when 
> Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can't do a 
> Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.


You do the Mult- Rec move by holding down the Mult switch for as long as
you want the Multiply to be.
The SUS-Mult is the same as Mult-Rec, except that instead of 2 presses,
you get the same result with one long press.

Cara's analysis seems spot on to me.

..and how about posting some audio of what you're doing ;-)


andy butler



> 
> Correct?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ritchie
> 
> 
> -- 
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MP,

Very, very nice.

TK

On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael Peters wrote:

> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI
>
> Michael www.michaelpeters.de
>

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To change tempo during delay mode try multiply...record with  
quantize=off.

This will allow you to do lots of polyrhythmic stuff, too.

What I still like to do a lot is using the Echolex as a looper with  
the option of fading out the old and overdubbing new material:

Stutter Mode - Set Feedback Knob to 50 percent - a phone plug with  
nothing connected to it stuck into the Feedback Pedal socket

This way, a LongMultiply will put you into some sort of delay mode.

It works just as well with delay mode the way Per described it. But  
the nice things about computers and life: There often is more than  
just one way to get the desired results.

Have fun

Phil

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Am 22.06.2008 um 12:43 schrieb r.domain:

> Hi,
>
> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to  
> do loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause  
> when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I  
> can't do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.

Correct, but you will be able to open a loop window as big as your  
foot, meaning as long as your foot is resting on Multiply, correct?

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What I like to do using this technique, is that I have an old drum machine
(Dr Groove in fact) that puts out midi notes. I have one pattern programed
with a multiply note followed by a rec note VERY fast after each other,
forget what the time is exactly but maybe is a 128th of a bar? Then on my
next pattern I have a whole string of UNDO=B4s, the whole pattern filled up=
.
So first I get an almighty biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig as the loop becomes
very short, then its starts moving slowely thru the recorded material til i=
t
cant undo no more.... If I have overdub on then I can add into that
biiiiinging noise before it runs out, When it gets past the new material it
goes back to what it was doing, that is slowely working its way thru the ol=
d
stuff... Very cool... especially if when half way thru the process you
multiply back in to some sensible length.

I love to make an extremely long loop, then overdub onto it over and overm
and THEN do this... you can go out the room, put on the kettle come back
skin up (if I still did such a thing - which i dont) and its still buzzing
away.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Phil Zurcher <philloop@mem.li> wrote:

>
> Am 22.06.2008 um 12:43 schrieb r.domain:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to do
>> loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause when Ins=
ert
>> is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can't do a Muliply -
>> Record move with the standard foot controller.
>>
>
> Correct, but you will be able to open a loop window as big as your foot,
> meaning as long as your foot is resting on Multiply, correct?
>
>


--=20
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www.looop.no

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What I like to do using this technique, is that I have an old drum machine =
(Dr Groove in fact) that puts out midi notes. I have one pattern programed =
with a multiply note followed by a rec note VERY fast after each other, for=
get what the time is exactly but maybe is a 128th of a bar? Then on my next=
 pattern I have a whole string of UNDO=B4s, the whole pattern filled up. So=
 first I get an almighty biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig as the loop becomes very=
 short, then its starts moving slowely thru the recorded material til it ca=
nt undo no more.... If I have overdub on then I can add into that biiiiingi=
ng noise before it runs out, When it gets past the new material it goes bac=
k to what it was doing, that is slowely working its way thru the old stuff.=
.. Very cool... especially if when half way thru the process you multiply b=
ack in to some sensible length.<br>
<br>I love to make an extremely long loop, then overdub onto it over and ov=
erm and THEN do this... you can go out the room, put on the kettle come bac=
k skin up (if I still did such a thing - which i dont) and its still buzzin=
g away.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Phil Zurche=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:philloop@mem.li">philloop@mem.li</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Am 22.06.2008 um 12:43 schrieb r.domain:<div class=3D"Ih2E3d"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
If I&#39;m in &#39;stutter mode&#39; with &#39;insert&#39; on SUS....... am=
 I able to do loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal? &nbs=
p;Cause when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I can=
&#39;t do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.<br>

</blockquote>
<br></div>
Correct, but you will be able to open a loop window as big as your foot, me=
aning as long as your foot is resting on Multiply, correct?<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><a href=3D"http://www.m=
arkfrancombe.com">www.markfrancombe.com</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.looop.=
no">www.looop.no</a>

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Hi Everyone!  It's been a while since the PiNG has presented a show in
a nice comfy bar with good food and fine beers (Nia at C'est What?!!) -
so I've booked 3 terrific sound-artists to create the scapes & grooves
for Tuesday night at The Central in the Annex. Located right beside
Honest Ed's and Suspect Video at 603 Markham St, The Central has
all of the above + an intimate main-space to immerse yourself in the
performances + a connected room to reconnect with your friends
at the PiNG + a sweet patio out front for smoking and chilling.
We're really looking forward to seeing everybody again!
~ Cheers, Scott M2
P.S. Scroll down for info on a July PiNG.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THiS TUESDAY JUNE 24th . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents
SUMMER LAPTOPiA with NAW, URM and SRF

@ The Central . 603 Markham St . 1 block from the Bathurst subway
    Map, info and directions at: http://www.thecentral.ca/info.php

The PiNG begins at 8pm but the restaurant is open at 6pm for dinner
if you want to start earlier. 1st set is at 8:30 . $6 / PayWhatYouCan

NAW - Neil Wiernik (Whisper Room / dropfile) produces warm,
atmospheric, and cinematic electronic music with sound design
firmly grounded in the rich traditions of dub studio culture & formal
contemporary composition.  http://phoniq.net

URM - Jamie Todd (dreamSTATE / SADU / NOiNO) explores
alien mutant psycho jazz, dark / light ambience, soundscapes &
sequencer driven pulse-music with a laptop filled with a virtual
mountain of soft synths and sound toys.  http://www.urm.ca

SRF - Kevin Doherty (SleepResearch_Facility) is a dark ambient
artist from Glasgow, Scotland, now living in Toronto & specialising
in beatless ambient music of spacious, extended, richly-textured
sounds & throbbing undertones.  http://www.resonance-net.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

COMiNG WEDNESDAY JULY 16th . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents
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   =20
. Join us in July for an eastern PiNG at the Renaissance Caf=E9=20
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on the ping things net label (see below for more.)
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More performers will be added soon to this show. Check=20
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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Stay tuned - more PiNGs events are coming soon.

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New releases will be added to the ping things site on the 22nd of each
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out of Matchsticks, Remora and more.  I hope that you'll enjoy their
music as much as I do, and I encourage you to let me know what you
think of it by e-mailing me care of rik@pingthings.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Check out the ALMOST LiVE SERiES on the AMBiENT PiNG RADiO
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http://www.ambientpingradio.blogspot.com

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of
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Tune in to AMBiENT PING RADiO at:
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   Yes, this is exactly what I was saying too, however I need to make =20=

a quickie correction in my example.  :)  As I just reread my note, I =20
gave the example of a vocal loop containing the numbers, '1 2 3 and 4.'

   the newly multiplied loop contained '2 3'

the windowed loops would look like:

=95 '4 1' 4 from the previous generation and 1 from the current =20
generation (the generation where the sus multiply was just done)
and then

=95 '2 3' from the previous generation of the loop (the generation =20
before the sus multiply was done)
and

=95 '4 1' 4 from the generation before the previous, and 1 from the =20
previous generation.

   Wow, I think I just made it sound even more complicated than it =20
really is!  lol!  At least the example is correct though?=85  lol!

   Have an awesome evening!=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:50 AM, Phil Zurcher wrote:

>
> Am 22.06.2008 um 12:43 schrieb r.domain:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to =20
>> do loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause =20=

>> when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I =20
>> can't do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.
>
> Correct, but you will be able to open a loop window as big as your =20
> foot, meaning as long as your foot is resting on Multiply, correct?
>

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   Agreed!  :)  I'm with Andy here.  I love stutter mode, and would =20
love to hear a bit of what you're up to?=85

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:16 AM, andy butler wrote:

>
>
> r.domain wrote:
>> Hi,
>> If I'm in 'stutter mode' with 'insert' on SUS....... am I able to =20
>> do loopwindowing without the aid of an external midi pedal?  Cause =20=

>> when Insert is set to SUS, the Multiply is also SUS therefore I =20
>> can't do a Muliply - Record move with the standard foot controller.
>
>
> You do the Mult- Rec move by holding down the Mult switch for as =20
> long as
> you want the Multiply to be.
> The SUS-Mult is the same as Mult-Rec, except that instead of 2 =20
> presses,
> you get the same result with one long press.
>
> Cara's analysis seems spot on to me.
>
> ..and how about posting some audio of what you're doing ;-)
>
>
> andy butler
>
>
>
>> Correct?
>> Thanks,
>> Ritchie
>> --=20
>> Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
>> http://murdergrin.blogspot.com <http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/>
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In fact I refer to the multiply function as known from the echoplex users.
On the kaossilator, in normal mode if you record a 4 beats loop and then 
extend the length to 8 beats you have: abcd/----, the 4 last beats are 
silence.
With the hidden mode, you'll have abcd/abcd, the 4beats phrase is 
multiplied.
You can of course in both mode then add an overdub or erase some parts of 
the loop.
With the normal mode you can "fix" the loop and undo a bad overdub, in the 
hidden mode you can't. This explain the double loop length.
As fixing a loop requires you to stop the loop, I never use it, I prefer 
resampling on an external piece of gear.

Cheers

Ben.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Great, that literally doubles the fun :-). Thanks for sharing, Ben!   Do 
> you happen to have more info on this hidden mode? What's the  multiply 
> function?
>
> Cheers
>
> Nico
>
>
> Am 20.06.2008 um 10:32 schrieb Ben:
>
>> I also have one and it's real fun to be able to play some looping  music 
>> everywhere.
>> Don't forget to test the "hidden mode" (turn it on while holding  both 
>> "loop/rec" and "tap/tempo" buttons untill the display shows  "Dly"), 
>> you'll have then 16 beats instead of 8 and the possibility  to "multiply" 
>> a recorded loop. I use it a lot in this mode. Lot of  fun. I really like 
>> the "force to scale" feature.
>>
>> Ben
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nico Spahni" <nicosp@gmx.net>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kaossilator
>>
>>
>>> Kyle, I got mine some two weeks ago. It's an amazing little gadget.
>>> Loopwise it's not that sophisticated. I like the erase function,
>>> though. It allows you to erase ultra short sections in a loop, which
>>> can produce interesting stuttering effects. BTW, I've mounted my
>>> Kaossilator (and my Kaosspad) on my guitar (thanks to whoever
>>> invented velcro tape!). Here's a picture (without Kaossilator). The
>>> Kaossilator now sits snuggly in the other empty slot.
>>>
>>> http://www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg
>>>
>>> Cheers from Switzerland
>>>
>>> Nico
>>>
>>> www.recpro.ch
>>> www.myspace.com/nicospahni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 19.06.2008 um 01:16 schrieb K D Patten:
>>>
>>>> lurker surfacing.......again.....just got word my Korg Kaossilator
>>>> is on its way....looking forward  to adding it to my mix ...any one
>>>> played with these things?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kyle Dean Patten
>>>> P.O. Box 22
>>>> Johnston, IA  50131
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/kyledeanpatten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
> 


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kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com schrieb:
> The reason for this is that after the D/A converter the signal (which is 
> a series of discreet stepped voltages) is passed through a low-pass 
> filter (to smooth out the edges).  At 192khz, the cutoff frequency is 
> high enough that it won't cause any noticeable effect on the audio signal.

For D/A it doesn't make a big difference, but for A/D it does. Its about 
the filters you need before the converter. at 44.1kHz they need to be 
extremely steep, and create ripple. Though I guess 96 kHz is usually 
good enough, I can hear a difference to 192 kHz as well. The result is 
much cleaner and more transparent. If you down sample afterwards, you 
don't loose as much, as it is possible to build ideal filters in the 
digital domain. But I don't know of any device which would do that 
directly...
High end fundamentalists would rather buy four times the processing 
power and keep everything at 192 kHz...
The price, size and weight of the R-44 is aimed at that market...

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Stefan,

> For D/A it doesn't make a big difference, but for A/D it does. Its about=
=20
> the filters you need before the converter. at 44.1kHz they need to be=20
> extremely steep, and create ripple.=20

One of the problems is to create analogue filters properly embedded in a (C=
MOS) semiconductor process. Resistors in these processes are not very tight=
ly tolerated - manufacturers usually specify +100/-50%, although the actual=
 value is more like +/-10%. Capacitors, on the other hand, can be tolerated=
 very tightly (which is necessary for DRAM technology, among other things),=
 but here, it's a problem of real estate to create big values ("big" meanin=
g anything above the lower exp-11 range).
Finally, there's a workaround to the resistor tolerance issue: use a DMOS b=
iased by a stabilized voltage source. To make those immune to temperature i=
nfluence, you need to operate them in the inversion region, which means low=
 resistance values.

So you got the tradeoff:
use a R -> bad tolerance
use a DMOS in non-inverted region -> strong temperature influence
use an inverted DMOS -> high demands for C real estate
or finally, use an external R -> more expensive, demands on PCB process due=
 to parasitic capacitances.

The sum of all this is, as you mentioned, you can stay out of trouble by si=
mply going for a Nyquist of 96kHz and tune your filters for the 80kHz range=
 , because then if you're off by 10%, it doesn't hurt in either direction..=
.

> Though I guess 96 kHz is usually=20
> good enough, I can hear a difference to 192 kHz as well. The result is=20
> much cleaner and more transparent.=20

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that, taking into account how old your e=
ars are. What is the gross value of your listening equipment? Did you use o=
ne and the same converter with the same material in the same testbench in a=
 statistically relevant double blind?

> If you down sample afterwards, you=20
> don't loose as much, as it is possible to build ideal filters in the=20
> digital domain. But I don't know of any device which would do that=20
> directly...

Both hardware (e.g. Weiss) and software (e.g. Apogee) solutions are availab=
le for that off the shelf.

> High end fundamentalists would rather buy four times the processing=20
> power and keep everything at 192 kHz...

Actually, no, they won't. Extensive listening test suggest that (possibly d=
ue to problems with clock bleed in many converter designs), 96kHz is often =
perceived as "better".

> The price, size and weight of the R-44 is aimed at that market...

Again, no. While a lot of fundamentalists may still disagree here, telling =
me that it's basically another kind of noise source, the region to start lo=
oking for better stuff would be with a converter pair at the price of a R-4=
4 (e.g. RME ADI-2).

                Rainer

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Hi Per

which Faderfox(es) are you using?

Still, even better would be for me to have:
- a 3-button MIDI pedal (real buttons, not up/down - ANYTHING OUT THERE?)
- something like faderfox to assign different 3-button-sets
This would be a bit more relaxed than just one pedal. (or three of your pedals on three channels?)

The next step would be: an AI system that would analyze your music and loop autonomuously... ;-)
Buzap

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Hi

I would go with an active PA.
Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....

I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10". 10 inch was barely the size that I could carry stereo with me and that would still have a decent bass (only FBT or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).
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> Michael, very, very nice!. 

thanks Cara and everyone


> Any chance we could here this in its entirety?.

you can download the complete set here:
 
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s.mp3>
http://www.veloopity.de/Musick/temp/loopfestival_loft_20080531_michaelpeters
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although the first 6 minutes (that are on youtube) are the most convincing
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Michael www.michaelpeters.de

 


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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Per
>
> which Faderfox(es) are you using?

Hi Buz,

I use the two micromodules LV1 and LX1. They are old models that sold
out some two years ago and I still like them better than the new
models. When these two crap out on me I will go for some USB powered
button pad thing that also has analog inputs for simple foot switches
and expression pedals.


> Still, even better would be for me to have:
> - a 3-button MIDI pedal (real buttons, not up/down - ANYTHING OUT THERE?)

I too was thinking about that, but I found it less "relaxed" for me. I
think there is something from Digiteach?


> -button-sets
> This would be a bit more relaxed than just one pedal. (or three of your pedals on three channels?)


Well, I really like having just ONE BUTton to kick! I found another
solution for "arming function" that I like better than the hands-on
button pad: a one button Apple USB Mouse! Use black Gaffer Tape to
cover the light hole at the bottom so it won't track cursor movements,
only leaving the Click Function working. The horrendously beautiful
transparent glass bulb with an apple inside that I got with my G5 five
years ago is perfect for this job. You can't go wrong stomping that
thing on the stage floor ;-)  (glad I finally found a use for that
bizarre piece of unusable design - it had been hanging on my wall as
decoration since day one, but now I'll put it to work).

So, in order to make this "floor mouse clicker + track pad mouse
pointer" interface intuitive you have to use a software that lets you
fill the screen with big, bright, colorful, clickable objects. One
object per looping action. I'm now setting up such systems with Mobius
VST looper and MainStage AU host.

--> MainSTage:
Really good looking and easily detectable screen buttons. I'm still
not sure you can set up an "incremental button" though (calling a new
action each time you click it: great for chord change vamps).
MainStage allows you to bind a screen button to an Apple Script and
maybe this can be used to get at an incremental click action? (any
Apple Script aficionados on this list?). Two years ago I studied Kid
Beyond's Mac rig when he was in Sweden and he was able to use Apple
Scripts for a lot of things that isn't possible with Ableton Live, so
I think there might be a way to chain up linear actions that you would
normally have in parallel on big foot boards like the FCB.

--> Mobius:
Screen buttons in Mobuis can be set to call anything, even scripts you
make. This means they can be used for anything! Right now I'm
experimenting with "incremental buttons", meaning the button calls an
"incremental script" and this script activates different functions (or
other scripts) with each new click. It doesn't "rotate" though; I've
posted on that to the Mobius list but no word on the matter yet heard.

I think there is an object in Bidule that also lets you order actions
"by list", but I haven't had time to go into that yet. Besides, taking
looper host application I really want to go with the audio effect
arsenal if MainStage, which is the same set of about fifty awesome
plug-ins I have gotten to learn well by producing recordings with
Logic.

Bottom line: way to go for minimal looping rig excess is INCREMENTAL
ACTION CALLING!!!

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Thanks for the info.  Appreciated!  And I love the drum machine idea Phil.
I'll give that a shot.

As for what I've been doing, check out http://murdergrin.blogspot.com
(heaps of other music there too using the vg99/vg88)

or for a direct link to the last material I recorded using the edp, check
out
http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/2008/06/rdomain-ambient-glitch-01.html

Hope you enjoy it.  Feedback appreciated.

 I'm currently 'rehearsing' for a solo impro guitar gig coming up in a
couple of weeks.  One thing concerning me though is the reliability of my
new edp.  It seems to suffer badly from heat. (I think)  Functions end up
getting mixed etc.  The first thing that goes that I've noticed is when
choosing different insert modes; instead of going through the options for
insert, it'll jump to record and end up going through those options.

Anyone else experienced this?  A bit dissapointing for a new unit and not
what you want when using live :-s

Thanks,

Ritchie

-- 
Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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Thanks for the info.&nbsp; Appreciated!&nbsp; And I love the drum machine idea Phil.&nbsp; I&#39;ll give that a shot.<br><br>As for what I&#39;ve been doing, check out <a href="http://murdergrin.blogspot.com">http://murdergrin.blogspot.com</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; (heaps of other music there too using the vg99/vg88)<br>
<br>or for a direct link to the last material I recorded using the edp, check out <br><a href="http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/2008/06/rdomain-ambient-glitch-01.html">http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/2008/06/rdomain-ambient-glitch-01.html</a><br>
<br>Hope you enjoy it.&nbsp; Feedback appreciated.<br><br>&nbsp;I&#39;m currently &#39;rehearsing&#39; for a solo impro guitar gig coming up in a couple of weeks.&nbsp; One thing concerning me though is the reliability of my new edp.&nbsp; It seems to suffer badly from heat. (I think)&nbsp; Functions end up getting mixed etc.&nbsp; The first thing that goes that I&#39;ve noticed is when choosing different insert modes; instead of going through the options for insert, it&#39;ll jump to record and end up going through those options. <br>
<br>Anyone else experienced this?&nbsp; A bit dissapointing for a new unit and not what you want when using live :-s<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Ritchie<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

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You guys are killing me with the prices on some of these :)

I'd like to keep it below $500 max. I don't need perfect, I can accept 85%
of my ideal tone since it's not my guitar amp.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I would go with an active PA.
> Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....
>
> I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10". 10 inch was barely the size that I
> could carry stereo with me and that would still have a decent bass (only FBT
> or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).
> Buzap
>
> --
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You guys are killing me with the prices on some of these :)<br><br>I&#39;d like to keep it below $500 max. I don&#39;t need perfect, I can accept 85% of my ideal tone since it&#39;s not my guitar amp.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Buzap Buzap &lt;<a href="mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi<br>
<br>
I would go with an active PA.<br>
Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....<br>
<br>
I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10&quot;. 10 inch was barely the size that I could carry stereo with me and that would still have a decent bass (only FBT or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).<br>
Buzap<br>
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--<br>
GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen!<br>
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> On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:03 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
>> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
>> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI
>>
>> Michael www.michaelpeters.de
>>
Enjoyed listening to this.  Thanks.




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On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI
>
> Michael www.michaelpeters.de


Thanks, I enjoyed listening to this while doing some boring
programming work. It was especially interesting for me since I was not
at the concert but heard you the week after in Berlin. I recognized
some sounds in the video from what I heard in Berlin. I agree with
another poster here that your "EDP SUS stuff" by the end really
sounded more like going through some filter with attach envelopes etc.
Cool sounds!

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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groovy tune michael!.....but 2 questions:.....what flavor are your guitar 
picks?.....and how can i get a LIVE LOOPER button?.....:).....michael

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Hi !

Very nice guitarplaying - sounds and looping.

Rune Fagereng - Norway


--- Den s=F8n 2008-06-22 skrev Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:

> Fra: Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
> Emne: Loft Soundscape
> Til: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Dato: S=F8ndag 22. juni 2008 16.03
> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played
> opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called
> 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D5nUav3FOhDI
>=20
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Don't wait it's too late,take care of your EDP!
THINK -Power Conditioners-

Suggestion: Furman Series II.
"...noise to the incoming AC line, lost of=20
digital data,need to re-boot digital pre-sets,=20
or destroyed digital converters are frequently=20
caused by excessive voltage spikes and AC=20
noise contaminating the equipment ground. =20
Furman=E2=80=99s SMP with LiFT takes another=20
approach, ensuring optimal performance=20
through linear filtering and no leakage to=20
ground."



--- On Mon, 6/23/08, r.domain <rdomain@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: r.domain <rdomain@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: quick edp question (+heat issue)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:25 PM
> Thanks for the info.  Appreciated!  And I love the drum
> machine idea Phil.
> I'll give that a shot.
>=20
> As for what I've been doing, check out
> http://murdergrin.blogspot.com
> (heaps of other music there too using the vg99/vg88)
>=20
> or for a direct link to the last material I recorded using
> the edp, check
> out
> http://murdergrin.blogspot.com/2008/06/rdomain-ambient-glitch-01.html
>=20
> Hope you enjoy it.  Feedback appreciated.
>=20
>  I'm currently 'rehearsing' for a solo impro
> guitar gig coming up in a
> couple of weeks.  One thing concerning me though is the
> reliability of my
> new edp.  It seems to suffer badly from heat. (I think)=20
> Functions end up
> getting mixed etc.  The first thing that goes that I've
> noticed is when
> choosing different insert modes; instead of going through
> the options for
> insert, it'll jump to record and end up going through
> those options.
>=20
> Anyone else experienced this?  A bit dissapointing for a
> new unit and not
> what you want when using live :-s
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Ritchie
>=20
> --=20
> Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm
> Nietzsche=0A=0A=0A      

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Howdy,

 Acoustic guitar amps are great if you want transparent tone. I plug my guitar straight into the mixer. Could not find an amp that gave the same tone. A Peavey E-cousic 112 did it for me. Of course you can get a larger or smaller amp depending on your needs, but ut works great for me.
Rig


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> From: marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Amp for guitar and keyboard?
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 6:50 AM
> You guys are killing me with the prices on some of these :)
> 
> I'd like to keep it below $500 max. I don't need
> perfect, I can accept 85%
> of my ideal tone since it's not my guitar amp.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Buzap Buzap
> <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > I would go with an active PA.
> > Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....
> >
> > I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10". 10 inch was
> barely the size that I
> > could carry stereo with me and that would still have a
> decent bass (only FBT
> > or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).
> > Buzap
> >
> > --
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> Deinen Interessen!
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> >
> >


      

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So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio interface
for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of
options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around maybe $300 or
less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to
spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I
probably don't need more than four inputs (if that).  Of course I'll be
looping so the latency thing is an issue.  Also, Firewire versus USB 2?
Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for
something else but I don't know if its worth paying extra for.

Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated

Kevin
(who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were
discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd actually move to
a laptop set up)

-- 

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

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So, another broad and general advice question.&nbsp; I need an audio interface for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of options out there might be.&nbsp; I&#39;d like to keep things around maybe $300 or less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to spend more).&nbsp; I&#39;m not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I probably don&#39;t need more than four inputs (if that).&nbsp; Of course I&#39;ll be looping so the latency thing is an issue.&nbsp; Also, Firewire versus USB 2?&nbsp; Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for something else but I don&#39;t know if its worth paying extra for.<br>
<br>Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated<br><br>Kevin <br>(who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were discussing these things a while back but never thought he&#39;d actually move to a laptop set up)<br clear="all">
<br>-- <br><br>Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a<br>form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<br><br>- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)<br><br>Sound and Vision: <a href="http://www.minds-eye.org">http://www.minds-eye.org</a>

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Presonus Firebox.


  _____  

Von: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:billowhead@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2008 20:35
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So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio interface
for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of
options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around maybe $300 or
less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to
spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I
probably don't need more than four inputs (if that).  Of course I'll be
looping so the latency thing is an issue.  Also, Firewire versus USB 2?
Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for
something else but I don't know if its worth paying extra for.

Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated

Kevin 
(who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were
discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd actually move to
a laptop set up)

-- 

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org 


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my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
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> So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio interface
> for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of
> options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around maybe $300 or
> less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to
> spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I
> probably don't need more than four inputs (if that).  Of course I'll be
> looping so the latency thing is an issue.  Also, Firewire versus USB 2?
> Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for
> something else but I don't know if its worth paying extra for.
>
> Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated
>
> Kevin
> (who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were
> discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd actually move to
> a laptop set up)
>
> --
>
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org




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my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando &lt;<a href="mailto:billowhead@gmail.com">billowhead@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">So, another broad and general advice question.&nbsp; I need an audio interface for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of options out there might be.&nbsp; I&#39;d like to keep things around maybe $300 or less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to spend more).&nbsp; I&#39;m not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I probably don&#39;t need more than four inputs (if that).&nbsp; Of course I&#39;ll be looping so the latency thing is an issue.&nbsp; Also, Firewire versus USB 2?&nbsp; Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for something else but I don&#39;t know if its worth paying extra for.<br>

<br>Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated<br><br>Kevin <br>(who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were discussing these things a while back but never thought he&#39;d actually move to a laptop set up)<br clear="all">
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That's why I initially suggested the Behringer powered PA speakers @$229 each. When I run my output of my Cyber-Twin to the speakers, they sound pretty darn sweet!

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You guys are killing me with the prices on some of these :)

I'd like to keep it below $500 max. I don't need perfect, I can accept 85% of my ideal tone since it's not my guitar amp.


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Hi

I would go with an active PA.
Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....

I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10". 10 inch was barely the size that I could carry stereo with me and that would still have a decent bass (only FBT or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).
Buzap

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<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' ><tr><td valign='top' style='font: inherit;'>That's why I initially suggested the Behringer powered PA speakers @$229 each. When I run my output of my Cyber-Twin to the speakers, they sound pretty darn sweet!<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 6/23/08, marcus kirby <I>&lt;nrvana8775@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: marcus kirby &lt;nrvana8775@gmail.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: Amp for guitar and keyboard?<BR>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR>Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 9:50 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv6218617>You guys are killing me with the prices on some of these :)<BR><BR>I'd like to keep it below $500 max. I don't need perfect, I can accept 85% of my ideal tone since it's not my guitar amp.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Buzap Buzap &lt;<A href="mailto:buzap@gmx.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>buzap@gmx.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Hi<BR><BR>I would go with an active PA.<BR>Check out the RCF PAs they are really killer....<BR><BR>I bought a pair of FBT speakers 10". 10 inch was barely the size that I could carry stereo with me and that would still have a decent bass (only FBT or RCF though, Opera etc is not enough).<BR>Buzap<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>--<BR>GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen!<BR>Jetzt dabei sein: <A href="http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx</A><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>

      
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I had an M-box Mini for review and it doesn't meet Kevins request for
"four inputs". I just re-read my review of to fresh up my memory; it
has a sturdy metal case and works good for two streams, as in input of
instrument and output of processed audio. When using two inputs
simultaneously the audio got damaged by cracks and noise for all
software I tried except for Pro Tools LE. If you use Pro Tools you get
quite a good deal regarding the included software plug-in bundle. The
M-box Mini uses USB1.

Per


On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM, paul bailey <bpbailey@gmail.com> wrote:
> my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low.
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio interface
>> for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of
>> options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around maybe $300 or
>> less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to
>> spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I
>> probably don't need more than four inputs (if that).  Of course I'll be
>> looping so the latency thing is an issue.  Also, Firewire versus USB 2?
>> Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for
>> something else but I don't know if its worth paying extra for.
>>
>> Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated
>>
>> Kevin
>> (who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were
>> discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd actually move to
>> a laptop set up)
>>

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i'm have been getting into live-looping using ableton, an oxygen8 keyboard,
a kaossilator, and a fcb1010.   after reading the recent thread i'm thinking
about switching to stereo monitors.  from reading the previous posts i
assume the roland kc series would do the trick. i just want to make it as
portable as possible (when i'm not playing through a pa). any suggestions?
right now i'm sending the ableton through an older yamaha stagepass amp and
running the kaossillator into one of those battery powered vox amps.

thanks in advance,

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i&#39;m have been getting into live-looping using ableton, an oxygen8 keyboard, a kaossilator, and a fcb1010.&nbsp;&nbsp; after reading the recent thread i&#39;m thinking about switching to stereo monitors.&nbsp; from reading the previous posts i assume the roland kc series would do the trick. i just want to make it as portable as possible (when i&#39;m not playing through a pa). any suggestions? right now i&#39;m sending the ableton through an older yamaha stagepass amp and running the kaossillator into one of those battery powered vox amps.<br>
<br>thanks in advance,<br><br>paul bailey<br>los angeles<br>
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try any echo one... the audiofire2 & audiofire4 both meet your requirements
although 2 of the four inputs may be s/pdif, in the audiofire2 at least.

raul.

2008/6/23 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:

> I had an M-box Mini for review and it doesn't meet Kevins request for
> "four inputs". I just re-read my review of to fresh up my memory; it
> has a sturdy metal case and works good for two streams, as in input of
> instrument and output of processed audio. When using two inputs
> simultaneously the audio got damaged by cracks and noise for all
> software I tried except for Pro Tools LE. If you use Pro Tools you get
> quite a good deal regarding the included software plug-in bundle. The
> M-box Mini uses USB1.
>
> Per
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM, paul bailey <bpbailey@gmail.com> wrote:
> > my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <
> billowhead@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio
> interface
> >> for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range
> of
> >> options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around maybe $300
> or
> >> less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to
> >> spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles
> so I
> >> probably don't need more than four inputs (if that).  Of course I'll be
> >> looping so the latency thing is an issue.  Also, Firewire versus USB 2?
> >> Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for
> >> something else but I don't know if its worth paying extra for.
> >>
> >> Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >> (who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people
> were
> >> discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd actually
> move to
> >> a laptop set up)
> >>
>
>


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try any echo one... the audiofire2 &amp; audiofire4 both meet your requirements although 2 of the four inputs may be s/pdif, in the audiofire2 at least.<br><br>raul.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/23 Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I had an M-box Mini for review and it doesn&#39;t meet Kevins request for<br>
&quot;four inputs&quot;. I just re-read my review of to fresh up my memory; it<br>
has a sturdy metal case and works good for two streams, as in input of<br>
instrument and output of processed audio. When using two inputs<br>
simultaneously the audio got damaged by cracks and noise for all<br>
software I tried except for Pro Tools LE. If you use Pro Tools you get<br>
quite a good deal regarding the included software plug-in bundle. The<br>
M-box Mini uses USB1.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Per<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:41 PM, paul bailey &lt;<a href="mailto:bpbailey@gmail.com">bpbailey@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando &lt;<a href="mailto:billowhead@gmail.com">billowhead@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; So, another broad and general advice question. &nbsp;I need an audio interface<br>
&gt;&gt; for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on the range of<br>
&gt;&gt; options out there might be. &nbsp;I&#39;d like to keep things around maybe $300 or<br>
&gt;&gt; less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a good reason to<br>
&gt;&gt; spend more). &nbsp;I&#39;m not likely to be recording any large scale ensembles so I<br>
&gt;&gt; probably don&#39;t need more than four inputs (if that). &nbsp;Of course I&#39;ll be<br>
&gt;&gt; looping so the latency thing is an issue. &nbsp;Also, Firewire versus USB 2?<br>
&gt;&gt; Firewire would be nice just because it would leave a USB port open for<br>
&gt;&gt; something else but I don&#39;t know if its worth paying extra for.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Kevin<br>
&gt;&gt; (who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people were<br>
&gt;&gt; discussing these things a while back but never thought he&#39;d actually move to<br>
&gt;&gt; a laptop set up)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the D  
Tar Mama Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I would like  
to improve its acoustic tone. But I don't want a pedal. Any thoughts  
or advice would be appreciated.
Regards,
Chris

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Great stuff, as always, Michael!

When will you be performing stateside?? :-)

Regards,

Ed in NJ



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here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI

Michael www.michaelpeters.de

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Did you try searching the KVR forums?  I sort of remember seeing one on
there.

On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:

> Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the D Tar Mama
> Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I would like to improve its
> acoustic tone. But I don't want a pedal. Any thoughts or advice would be
> appreciated.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>


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Did you try searching the KVR forums?&nbsp; I sort of remember seeing one on there.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Chris Sewell &lt;<a href="mailto:lunamusic@mac.com">lunamusic@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the D Tar Mama Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I would like to improve its acoustic tone. But I don&#39;t want a pedal. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.<br>

Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
Chris<br>
<br>
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Hey Per

thanks for the details.

>  When these two crap out on me I will go for some USB powered
> button pad thing that also has analog inputs for simple foot switches
> and expression pedals.
Is there actually anything like that out there??? Having an (optional) expression pedal would be so cool...

I'm still thinking about this 1-pedal thing. You know, at the moment, I count 20 pedal buttons on my floor and I usually use a dozen of them while looping. So, call me a bit biased ;-))
Nevertheless some thoughts:
Couldn't you work it out like this:
- Have your footpedal always trigger a MIDI CC with the number retrieved from a variable
- Incidentally, pressing the footpedal once will increase the variable+1
- So next time you press it, it wil trigger the next MIDI CC (whatever you assign to it)
- Have your Faderbox buttons assign specific values to that variable
Example:
1. Press Faderfox button A => Assigns variable="12"
2. Press foot pedal => sends a MIDI CC 12 and sets variable++="13"
3. Press foot pedal again => sends a MIDI CC 13 and sets variable="14"...
4. Press Faderfox button B => Assigns variable="30"
5. Press foot pedal => sends a MIDI CC 30 and sets variable="31"
...


Another option would be actually to have some buttons that you can very quickly access (i.e. while playing the guitar). So you would train these double-moves of rapidly pressing a key manually and then stomping the footpedal. Something like the Akai MPC buttons or a 25-key midi keyboard would work well for that I could imagine.

While I'm at it:
What do you really need a footpedal for, really? Personally, I mostly sync everything to the first cycle. So the only things time critical that a footpedal would need to trigger would be:
- Begin of first loop
- End of first loop
- End of a multiply (i.e. when both hands are occupied)
Anthing else could be easily triggered manually when set to switching at loop/cycle end, I guess.

Best regards
Buzap




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> Von: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
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> Betreff: Re: New concept for looping control - extremely small and portable!

> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> > Hi Per
> >
> > which Faderfox(es) are you using?
> 
> Hi Buz,
> 
> I use the two micromodules LV1 and LX1. They are old models that sold
> out some two years ago and I still like them better than the new

> 
> 
> > Still, even better would be for me to have:
> > - a 3-button MIDI pedal (real buttons, not up/down - ANYTHING OUT
> THERE?)
> 
> I too was thinking about that, but I found it less "relaxed" for me. I
> think there is something from Digiteach?
> 
> 
> > -button-sets
> > This would be a bit more relaxed than just one pedal. (or three of your
> pedals on three channels?)
> 
> 
> Well, I really like having just ONE BUTton to kick! I found another
> solution for "arming function" that I like better than the hands-on
> button pad: a one button Apple USB Mouse! Use black Gaffer Tape to
> cover the light hole at the bottom so it won't track cursor movements,
> only leaving the Click Function working. The horrendously beautiful
> transparent glass bulb with an apple inside that I got with my G5 five
> years ago is perfect for this job. You can't go wrong stomping that
> thing on the stage floor ;-)  (glad I finally found a use for that
> bizarre piece of unusable design - it had been hanging on my wall as
> decoration since day one, but now I'll put it to work).
> 
> So, in order to make this "floor mouse clicker + track pad mouse
> pointer" interface intuitive you have to use a software that lets you
> fill the screen with big, bright, colorful, clickable objects. One
> object per looping action. I'm now setting up such systems with Mobius
> VST looper and MainStage AU host.
> 
> --> MainSTage:
> Really good looking and easily detectable screen buttons. I'm still
> not sure you can set up an "incremental button" though (calling a new
> action each time you click it: great for chord change vamps).
> MainStage allows you to bind a screen button to an Apple Script and
> maybe this can be used to get at an incremental click action? (any
> Apple Script aficionados on this list?). Two years ago I studied Kid
> Beyond's Mac rig when he was in Sweden and he was able to use Apple
> Scripts for a lot of things that isn't possible with Ableton Live, so
> I think there might be a way to chain up linear actions that you would
> normally have in parallel on big foot boards like the FCB.
> 
> --> Mobius:
> Screen buttons in Mobuis can be set to call anything, even scripts you
> make. This means they can be used for anything! Right now I'm
> experimenting with "incremental buttons", meaning the button calls an
> "incremental script" and this script activates different functions (or
> other scripts) with each new click. It doesn't "rotate" though; I've
> posted on that to the Mobius list but no word on the matter yet heard.
> 
> I think there is an object in Bidule that also lets you order actions
> "by list", but I haven't had time to go into that yet. Besides, taking
> looper host application I really want to go with the audio effect
> arsenal if MainStage, which is the same set of about fifty awesome
> plug-ins I have gotten to learn well by producing recordings with
> Logic.
> 
> Bottom line: way to go for minimal looping rig excess is INCREMENTAL
> ACTION CALLING!!!
> 
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
> 
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen

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On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hey Per
>
> thanks for the details.
>
>>  When these two crap out on me I will go for some USB powered
>> button pad thing that also has analog inputs for simple foot switches
>> and expression pedals.
> Is there actually anything like that out there???

No, not yet.


> Having an (optional) expression pedal would be so cool...

Indeed! And because "it would be so cool" I bet someone will manufacture it!


> I'm still thinking about this 1-pedal thing. You know, at the moment, I count 20 pedal buttons on my floor and I usually use a dozen of them while looping. So, call me a bit biased ;-))
> Nevertheless some thoughts:
> Couldn't you work it out like this:
> - Have your footpedal always trigger a MIDI CC with the number retrieved from a variable
> - Incidentally, pressing the footpedal once will increase the variable+1
> - So next time you press it, it wil trigger the next MIDI CC (whatever you assign to it)
> - Have your Faderbox buttons assign specific values to that variable
> Example:
> 1. Press Faderfox button A => Assigns variable="12"
> 2. Press foot pedal => sends a MIDI CC 12 and sets variable++="13"
> 3. Press foot pedal again => sends a MIDI CC 13 and sets variable="14"...
> 4. Press Faderfox button B => Assigns variable="30"
> 5. Press foot pedal => sends a MIDI CC 30 and sets variable="31"

Yes, that's exactly what I built with Bidule the other day ;-)


> Another option would be actually to have some buttons that you can very quickly access (i.e. while playing the guitar).
> So you would train these double-moves of rapidly pressing a key manually and then stomping the footpedal.
> Something like the Akai MPC buttons or a 25-key midi keyboard would work well for that I could imagine.

Yes, that's my intention.


> While I'm at it:
> What do you really need a footpedal for, really? Personally, I mostly sync everything to the first cycle. So the only things time critical that a footpedal would need to trigger would be:
> - Begin of first loop
> - End of first loop
> - End of a multiply (i.e. when both hands are occupied)
> Anthing else could be easily triggered manually when set to switching at loop/cycle end, I guess.

Interesting.... I need a foot pedal for two reasons. First, I like to
use some functions that are not quantized; as "overdub dots" or
mocking with pitch and rate of a loop while playing and overdubbing
into it. Second, guitar is fine playing one handed by hammer-ons and
pull-offs, but wind and reed instruments lose half the note span if
played one handed.

-- 
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Could you describe these pedals? I'm always on the lookout for new
things to implement as plug-ins.


cheers,
os.


2008/6/23 Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>:
> Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the D Tar Mama
> Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I would like to improve its
> acoustic tone. But I don't want a pedal. Any thoughts or advice would be
> appreciated.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
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http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/  Check out the Audiofire 4 =
or 8. I have the Indigo as a backup to my Fireface 400.  Echo makes =
decent gear, and most importantly their drivers appear to be stable.
Kris


      Hardware Features*
     Software Features
    =20
        a.. FireWire (IEEE 1394a) interface with 8' cable=20
        b.. Bus powered with 6-pin FireWire interface=20
        c.. External 12VDC power supply provided=20
        d.. 2 auto-sensing universal inputs (mic/guitar/line):=20
          a.. Meters, trim knobs & 48V phantom power=20
        e.. 2 balanced =BC" analog inputs:=20
          a.. 112dB (A-weighted) dynamic range=20
          b.. +4dBu / -10dBV nominal levels=20
        f.. 4 balanced =BC" analog outputs:=20
          a.. 114dB (A-weighted) dynamic range=20
          b.. +4dBu / -10dBV nominal levels=20
        g.. S/PDIF I/O at 24-bit/96kHz=20
        h.. MIDI I/O=20
        i.. Stereo headphone output with volume knob=20
        j.. Sync via S/PDIF=20
        k.. Supports full duplex 6 channel in, 6 channel out operation =
at 24 bit, 96 kHz sample rate=20
        l.. Heavy-duty aluminum case=20
        m.. Near zero latency hardware monitoring=20
     a.. Software console for monitoring, metering, and setting levels=20
              b.. Low-latency drivers support all major pro audio =
software:=20
                a.. Low Latency ASIO 2.0=20
                b.. WDM kernel streaming mode=20
                c.. GSIF 2.0 (Gigastudio 3 w/ low latency MIDI)=20
                d.. CoreAudio & CoreMIDI=20
          =20
            System Requirements
          =20
              a.. PC System requirements:=20
                a.. Windows XP or Vista=20
                b.. 256 MB RAM (512 MB recommended)=20
                c.. 400 Mbps FireWire port=20
              b.. Mac System Requirements=20
                a.. Mac OS X (10.3.9 or later)=20
                b.. G4 or better processor=20
                c.. 256 MB RAM (512 MB recommended)=20
                d.. 400 Mbps FireWire port=20
          =20
    =20


Kris

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: paul bailey=20
  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20
  Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:41 PM
  Subject: Re: Laptop Audio Interface


  my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very low.=20


  On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando =
<billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:

    So, another broad and general advice question.  I need an audio =
interface for my Macbook and I was curious what the general consensus on =
the range of options out there might be.  I'd like to keep things around =
maybe $300 or less (though I might be convinced otherwise if there is a =
good reason to spend more).  I'm not likely to be recording any large =
scale ensembles so I probably don't need more than four inputs (if =
that).  Of course I'll be looping so the latency thing is an issue.  =
Also, Firewire versus USB 2?  Firewire would be nice just because it =
would leave a USB port open for something else but I don't know if its =
worth paying extra for.

    Any pointers or advice would be greatly appreciated

    Kevin=20
    (who realizes he should have been paying more attention while people =
were discussing these things a while back but never thought he'd =
actually move to a laptop set up)

    --=20

    Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to =
have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all =
trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org=20



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        <LI>FireWire (IEEE 1394a) interface with 8' cable=20
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        <LI>External 12VDC power supply provided=20
        <LI>2 auto-sensing universal inputs (mic/guitar/line):=20
        <UL>
          <LI type=3Dsquare>Meters, trim knobs &amp; 48V phantom power =
</LI></UL>
        <LI>2 balanced =BC" analog inputs:=20
        <UL>
          <LI type=3Dsquare>112dB (A-weighted) dynamic range=20
          <LI type=3Dsquare>+4dBu / -10dBV nominal levels </LI></UL>
        <LI>4 balanced =BC" analog outputs:=20
        <UL>
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          <LI type=3Dsquare>+4dBu / -10dBV nominal levels </LI></UL>
        <LI>S/PDIF I/O at 24-bit/96kHz=20
        <LI>MIDI I/O=20
        <LI>Stereo headphone output with volume knob=20
        <LI>Sync via S/PDIF=20
        <LI>Supports full duplex 6 channel in, 6 channel out operation =
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        bit, 96 kHz sample rate=20
        <LI>Heavy-duty aluminum case=20
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              <LI>Low-latency drivers support all major pro audio =
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              <UL>
                <LI type=3Dsquare>Low Latency ASIO 2.0=20
                <LI type=3Dsquare>WDM kernel streaming mode=20
                <LI type=3Dsquare>GSIF 2.0 (Gigastudio 3 w/ low latency =
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                <LI type=3Dsquare>CoreAudio &amp; CoreMIDI =
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              <LI>PC System requirements:=20
              <UL>
                <LI type=3Dsquare>Windows XP or Vista=20
                <LI type=3Dsquare>256 MB RAM (512 MB recommended)=20
                <LI type=3Dsquare>400 Mbps FireWire port </LI></UL>
              <LI>Mac System Requirements=20
              <UL>
                <LI type=3Dsquare>Mac OS X (10.3.9 or later)=20
                <LI type=3Dsquare>G4 or better processor=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kris</FONT></DIV>
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12:41=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Laptop Audio =
Interface</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>my mbox mini works great and latency seems to be very =
low.=20
  <BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Kevin =
Cheli-Colando=20
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    another broad and general advice question.&nbsp; I need an audio =
interface=20
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range of=20
    options out there might be.&nbsp; I'd like to keep things around =
maybe $300=20
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ensembles=20
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Firewire=20
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leave a USB=20
    port open for something else but I don't know if its worth paying =
extra=20
    for.<BR><BR>Any pointers or advice would be greatly =
appreciated<BR><BR>Kevin=20
    <BR>(who realizes he should have been paying more attention while =
people=20
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Hmmm...are you sure software will resolve your problem? I grappled with this 
a while back. I was using a 6 string mandolin (just one of those feather 
pickips) and the LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI, which sounds excellent, as the 
interface into my laptop. I have found that you really need to do this sort 
of acoustic conditioning and re-leveling before you go to the laptop.  If 
you plug directly into the laptop via your audio interface, you are going to 
bring in all the audio problems that an external acoustic 
pre-amp/conditioner is designed to remove (like the hum, EQ issues, 
impedence issues, etc), and then you are faced withi fixing them in your 
computer before you even get a chance to improve your sound.  I have 
max/msp, and I have created all sorts of patches to try to "doctor up" the 
tone of a pure acoustic instrument plugged into my Fireface 400 audio 
interface, and nothing is satisfactory. Nothing! It is crap in, crap out. 
You need to give your audio interface the best possible signal, not a load 
of shit, and try to repair it.  You are better off using what you have now 
or installing a pre-amp in your acoustic instrument.  I have spent hours on 
this problem, btw, because I am all about simplication and letting the 
computer do as much as possible. This is not a problem that I have solve 
with the computer only. To this day, any acoustic instrument I plug into my 
laptop audio interface, either has its own preamp, or I plug into my LR 
Baggs.

Kris


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the D  Tar 
> Mama Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I would like  to 
> improve its acoustic tone. But I don't want a pedal. Any thoughts  or 
> advice would be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Chris
> 

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Hey Gang,
For those interested i just posted my 2 live tracks at
the Loft in Cologne,very simple setup acoustic guitar
and EDP delay pedal and some ocasional singing.
scroll down to "Burning peninsula" and "Water Mirrors"

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49546016

cheers and thanx for listening!

Luis

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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Great stuff mate

Matt Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com
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On 23 Jun 2008, at 22:27, ejyuhas wrote:

> Great stuff, as always, Michael!
>
> When will you be performing stateside?? :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed in NJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:03 AM
> To: Loopers Delight
> Subject: Loft Soundscape
>
> here are the first minutes of the soundscape that I played opening the
> Cologne Livelooping festival on May 31st in a venue called 'Loft'.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nUav3FOhDI
>
> Michael www.michaelpeters.de
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Yeah, thats what I thought. The marketing on these pedals claims that  
they wrap the audio with an image to make them sound like you are  
using a good microphone. I suspect its really just glorified eq.  
Thats certainly what it is in the less expensive stuff like the zoom.  
It seems logical however whatever these pedals do could be replicated  
via software. I'll keep hoping.
Thanks
On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

> Hmmm...are you sure software will resolve your problem? I grappled  
> with this a while back. I was using a 6 string mandolin (just one  
> of those feather pickips) and the LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI, which  
> sounds excellent, as the interface into my laptop. I have found  
> that you really need to do this sort of acoustic conditioning and  
> re-leveling before you go to the laptop.  If you plug directly into  
> the laptop via your audio interface, you are going to bring in all  
> the audio problems that an external acoustic pre-amp/conditioner is  
> designed to remove (like the hum, EQ issues, impedence issues,  
> etc), and then you are faced withi fixing them in your computer  
> before you even get a chance to improve your sound.  I have max/ 
> msp, and I have created all sorts of patches to try to "doctor up"  
> the tone of a pure acoustic instrument plugged into my Fireface 400  
> audio interface, and nothing is satisfactory. Nothing! It is crap  
> in, crap out. You need to give your audio interface the best  
> possible signal, not a load of shit, and try to repair it.  You are  
> better off using what you have now or installing a pre-amp in your  
> acoustic instrument.  I have spent hours on this problem, btw,  
> because I am all about simplication and letting the computer do as  
> much as possible. This is not a problem that I have solve with the  
> computer only. To this day, any acoustic instrument I plug into my  
> laptop audio interface, either has its own preamp, or I plug into  
> my LR Baggs.
>
> Kris
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" <lunamusic@mac.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:19 PM
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>
>
>> Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the  
>> D  Tar Mama Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I  
>> would like  to improve its acoustic tone. But I don't want a  
>> pedal. Any thoughts  or advice would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>

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Hi,

Since we've been discussing MainStage and its graphical user interface
lately, some folks might wonder what it looks like. Here I have posted
a screenshot of a typical performance interface for looping:
http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mainstagelooper.png

All screen objects are assigned to external gear, so you don't have to
look at the screen while performing. But you may also click a screen
object to call its targeted action. When I click with a foot pedal I
need to glance at the screen now and then to move the cursor, by hand,
to "arm" the next action I have in mind.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

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Yes, if it is EQ and tonal shaping you are after, you can do it in software. 
But if you are taking a raw acoustic pickup signal and conditioning it to go 
into the laptop, a software program will not be able to do this for you. 
It's like plugging a nice mic into a 1/8 inch laptop input. No software 
program is going to fix that problem/nightmare. You need to deliver a high 
quality raw acoustic signal into the laptop (not EQ, but level), and then 
once you have it in the computer you can mangle it to your heart's desire.

Kris

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> Yeah, thats what I thought. The marketing on these pedals claims that 
> they wrap the audio with an image to make them sound like you are  using a 
> good microphone. I suspect its really just glorified eq.  Thats certainly 
> what it is in the less expensive stuff like the zoom.  It seems logical 
> however whatever these pedals do could be replicated  via software. I'll 
> keep hoping.
> Thanks
> On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>> Hmmm...are you sure software will resolve your problem? I grappled  with 
>> this a while back. I was using a 6 string mandolin (just one  of those 
>> feather pickips) and the LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI, which  sounds 
>> excellent, as the interface into my laptop. I have found  that you really 
>> need to do this sort of acoustic conditioning and  re-leveling before you 
>> go to the laptop.  If you plug directly into  the laptop via your audio 
>> interface, you are going to bring in all  the audio problems that an 
>> external acoustic pre-amp/conditioner is  designed to remove (like the 
>> hum, EQ issues, impedence issues,  etc), and then you are faced withi 
>> fixing them in your computer  before you even get a chance to improve 
>> your sound.  I have max/ msp, and I have created all sorts of patches to 
>> try to "doctor up"  the tone of a pure acoustic instrument plugged into 
>> my Fireface 400  audio interface, and nothing is satisfactory. Nothing! 
>> It is crap  in, crap out. You need to give your audio interface the best 
>> possible signal, not a load of shit, and try to repair it.  You are 
>> better off using what you have now or installing a pre-amp in your 
>> acoustic instrument.  I have spent hours on this problem, btw,  because I 
>> am all about simplication and letting the computer do as  much as 
>> possible. This is not a problem that I have solve with the  computer 
>> only. To this day, any acoustic instrument I plug into my  laptop audio 
>> interface, either has its own preamp, or I plug into  my LR Baggs.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" <lunamusic@mac.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:19 PM
>> Subject: Looking for Plug-In
>>
>>
>>> Anyone know of a plug-in that works like the Fishman Aura or the  D  Tar 
>>> Mama Bear? I have a RMC equipped Godin Spectrum that I  would like  to 
>>> improve its acoustic tone. But I don't want a  pedal. Any thoughts  or 
>>> advice would be appreciated.
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris
>>
> 

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What's this all about, anyone know?  Just curious to hear what anyone has to
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What&#39;s this all about, anyone know?&nbsp; Just curious to hear what anyone has to say.&nbsp; Too bad it can&#39;t send clocks... A<br>

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=0D=0A=0D=0AHey all-=0D=0A=0D=0AJust reading on wikipedia and came across a=
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 looping pov.=0D=0A=0D=0AIt is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder=
 to write several=0D=0Aindividually beautiful songs that, when sung simulta=
neously, sound as a=0D=0Amore beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal stru=
ctures that create=0D=0Aeach of the voices separately must contribute to th=
e emergent structure=0D=0Aof the polyphony, which in turn must reinforce an=
d comment on the=0D=0Astructures of the individual voices. The way that is =
accomplished in=0D=0Adetail is...'counterpoint'.=0D=0A=0D=0A-John Rahn=0D=
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<br><br>Hey all-<br><br>Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really =
nice quote that I thought people here might enjoy discussing from a looping=
 pov.<br><br>It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write se=
veral=0D=0Aindividually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sou=
nd as a=0D=0Amore beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that =
create=0D=0Aeach of the voices separately must contribute to the emergent s=
tructure=0D=0Aof the polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on=
 the=0D=0Astructures of the individual voices. The way that is accomplished=
 in=0D=0Adetail is...'counterpoint'.<br><br>-John Rahn<br><br>I bring it up=
 of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that can be fairly ea=
sily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the audioclips p=
eople have posted here for that matter.&nbsp; I wonder if anyone here has l=
ooped any bach .....&nbsp; ?&nbsp; Send it over if yah have ....... I would=
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>From The Desk Of Barrister Morgan Smith,
Morgan & Associate Chambers
37 Sathorn Tai Road,
Bangkok Thailand
Email: barri_morgan_smith111@hotmail.com
Email: barri_morgan_smith909@hotmail.com

Please kindly accept my apology for sending unsolicited mail to you I
believe you are a highly respected personality considering the fact that I
sourced your profile from a human resource profile database on your country.
Though, I do not know to what extent you are familiar with events.

Well, I am Barrister Morgan Smith, a Solicitor. I am the Personal Attorney
to Mr ANDREAS SCHRANNER Who Died With all his Family in a Plane Crash in the
month of July 2000.
See the Weblink for details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm

Since then I have made several enquiries to locate any of my client's
relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several
unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet to
locate any member of his family but to no avail, hence, I contacted you to
assist in repatriating the money left behind by my client in a Bank in
bangkok thailand, Particularly, the Bank where the deceased deposited the
US$25 Million (twenty five Million United States Dollars only).

Consequently, the Bank issued me a notice to provide the Next of Kin to
claim the US$25 Million (twenty five Million United States Dollars only) in
their custody within the next twenty official working days. Since I have
been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 7 years now, I seek
your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased to claim the
fund as the Next of Kin to him so that the fund will be transferred to your
account by the Bank.

Upon receipt of the fund, I will come over to your country to meet with you
for the disbursement of the fund and then you and I will share the money in
this order: 60% will be for me, 40% will be for you. I have all the
necessary legal documents that can back our claim we will make with the
Bank.

All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal
through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate
arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.
kindly send me the following information
1) Your full name..........
2) Your conutry of origine
3) Address.........
4) Telephone number.........
5) Occupation...........
6) .A copy of your adentity

upon receipt of this information, We will forward them to the Bank with a
power of attorney from court presenting you as the next of kin, and as such
the beneficiary of the fund.
You are needed as a next of kin to inherit the late deceased left fund For
more information, please kindly contact me through my email above to enables
us discuss further.
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Morgan Smith ( Esq )

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<p>From The Desk Of Barrister Morgan Smith, <br>Morgan &amp; Associate Chambers<br>37 Sathorn Tai Road, <br>Bangkok Thailand <br>Email: <a href="mailto:barri_morgan_smith111@hotmail.com">barri_morgan_smith111@hotmail.com</a><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:barri_morgan_smith909@hotmail.com">barri_morgan_smith909@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>Please kindly accept my apology for sending unsolicited mail to you I believe you are a highly respected personality considering the fact that I sourced your profile from a human resource profile database on your country. Though, I do not know to what extent you are familiar with events.<br>
&nbsp;<br>Well, I am Barrister Morgan Smith, a Solicitor. I am the Personal Attorney to Mr ANDREAS SCHRANNER Who Died With all his Family in a Plane Crash in the month of July 2000. <br>See the Weblink for details: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm</a><br>
&nbsp;<br>Since then I have made several enquiries to locate any of my client&#39;s relatives, this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet to locate any member of his family but to no avail, hence, I contacted you to assist in repatriating the money left behind by my client in a Bank in bangkok thailand, Particularly, the Bank where the deceased deposited the US$25 Million (twenty five Million United States Dollars only).<br>
&nbsp;<br>Consequently, the Bank issued me a notice to provide the Next of Kin to claim the US$25 Million (twenty five Million United States Dollars only) in their custody within the next twenty official working days. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 7 years now, I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased to claim the fund as the Next of Kin to him so that the fund will be transferred to your account by the Bank.<br>
&nbsp;<br>Upon receipt of the fund, I will come over to your country to meet with you for the disbursement of the fund and then you and I will share the money in this order: 60% will be for me, 40% will be for you. I have all the necessary legal documents that can back our claim we will make with the Bank.<br>
&nbsp;<br>All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. <br>kindly send me the following information<br>
1) Your full name..........<br>2) Your conutry of origine<br>3) Address.........<br>4) Telephone number.........<br>5) Occupation...........<br>6) .A copy of your adentity</p>
<p>upon receipt of this information, We will forward them to the Bank with a power of attorney from court presenting you as the next of kin, and as such the beneficiary of the fund.<br>You are needed as a next of kin to inherit the late deceased left fund For more information, please kindly contact me through my email above to enables us discuss further.<br>
Best regards . <br>Morgan Smith ( Esq ) </p>

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FROM DR.ANGUS BASIL,

ATTN: FRIEND,

                 A CONFIDENTIAL PROPOSAL

Good day and compliment of the season.I deem it vital to contact you for a
business proposal based on my position as the accountant General of the bank
of Africa Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso .During my QUATTERLY AUDITING/ACCOUNTING
,I discovered in a DOMICILIARY ACCOUNT favouring a foreign customer , the
floating sum of US$15,000,000 (fifteen million Us dollars).

During my investigations on the abandoned sum, I discovered the owner as a
GERMAN citizen named Mr.ANDREAS SCHRANNER who died in a plane crash with his
entire family and subsequently there is no  next of kin to his account
.Visit the web-site as posted dated .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm

Based on  these factual statements, plus the available facts and figures in
the bank archive ,we stand on  a vantage point  to putting up a claim on the
fund. This providential mission is  hinged on the fact that, it is only a
foreigner that can successfully claim this fund since the  late depositor
was a foreigner himself.

What you are required to do implicitly is to put up an application to the
bank as his nominated next of kin by his extended family in GERMANY which is
a workable approach because you will stand by the power of such nomination
as his cousin resident in where you are today to claim this fund into your
account for both of us.

Any question, information that may Be required by the bank during the
process of the reclamation will be forwarded to you on demand as to ensure
that this venture is successful. It is highly confidential and risk free by
virtue of my position as an insider in the bank.

Finally, I shall give you 30% in respect of your assistance to get
transferred this fund  into your account oversea.I will release to you a
detailed information covering the abandoned fund on your urgent reply.

DR ANGUS BASIL.

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<p>FROM DR.ANGUS BASIL, </p>
<p>ATTN: FRIEND,</p>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A CONFIDENTIAL PROPOSAL </p>
<p>Good day and compliment of the season.I deem it vital to contact you for a business proposal based on my position as the accountant General of the bank of Africa Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso .During my QUATTERLY AUDITING/ACCOUNTING ,I discovered in a DOMICILIARY ACCOUNT favouring a foreign customer , the floating sum of US$15,000,000 (fifteen million Us dollars). </p>

<p>During my investigations on the abandoned sum, I discovered the owner as a GERMAN citizen named Mr.ANDREAS SCHRANNER who died in a plane crash with his entire family and subsequently there is no&nbsp; next of kin to his account .Visit the web-site as posted dated . </p>

<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm</a> </p>
<p>Based on&nbsp; these factual statements, plus the available facts and figures in the bank archive ,we stand on&nbsp; a vantage point&nbsp; to putting up a claim on the fund. This providential mission is&nbsp; hinged on the fact that, it is only a foreigner that can successfully claim this fund since the&nbsp; late depositor was a foreigner himself. </p>

<p>What you are required to do implicitly is to put up an application to the bank as his nominated next of kin by his extended family in GERMANY which is a workable approach because you will stand by the power of such nomination as his cousin resident in where you are today to claim this fund into your account for both of us. </p>

<p>Any question, information that may Be required by the bank during the process of the reclamation will be forwarded to you on demand as to ensure that this venture is successful. It is highly confidential and risk free by virtue of my position as an insider in the bank. </p>

<p>Finally, I shall give you 30% in respect of your assistance to get transferred this fund&nbsp; into your account oversea.I will release to you a detailed information covering the abandoned fund on your urgent reply. </p>
<p>DR ANGUS BASIL. <br></p>

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rs@moinlabs.de schrieb:
> Frankly, I find it hard to believe that, taking into account how old
> your ears are. What is the gross value of your listening equipment?
> Did you use one and the same converter with the same material in the
> same testbench in a statistically relevant double blind?

Yes, it was the same converter and the same environment, same sort of 
sounds (not an expensive interface, I think it was M-Audio). But good 
speakers (Dynaudio). It wasn't at all a repeatable/double blind test. 
Just an observation done once before a concert in turkey...
It might be that really expensive converters will show less difference, 
or in other words, they might sound also good at lower sampling rates...

Stefan

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Quoting "aaronleese@flyloops.com" <aaronleese@flyloops.com>:
>
>
> Hey all-
>
> Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I =20
>   thought people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.
>
> It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
> individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a
> more beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create
> each of the voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure
> of the polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on the
> structures of the individual voices. The way that is accomplished in
> detail is...'counterpoint'.
>
> -John Rahn
>
> I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things   =20
> that can be fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it =20
>   in some of the audioclips people have posted here for that matter. =20
>    I wonder if anyone here has looped any bach .....  ?  Send it =20
> over   if yah have ....... I would love to hear that.
>
To create countrapuntal textures while looping is quite possible, of
course -- however to do a Back transcription while looping presents
some challenges:

. In Bach, the imitation is generally not at the unison and the
imitation is often tonal rather than real.

Thus, it would be possible to create, say, a Fugue exposition with a
loop -- you would need the ability to pitch shift the fugue subject
without altering the tempo.  Also, the subject would have to be
designed to allow real answers rather than tonal answers.

The looped parts would all be imitative counterpoint -- the only free
counterpoint would have to be played without looping.

An invention that answers, say, at the octave might be a little easier
to manage.

OK .. to put this in English -- you would record your loop, then the
loop would play back at a different pitch from the one you recorded it
at.

When I loop, I think contrapuntally however I have shyed away from
Bach counterpoint per se, due to the limitations of my looping
configuration.

One of the works I played last year at the Y2K7 Loopfest is entitled
"Three-Legged Race" and it utilizes countrapuntal texture however it
is more along the lines of Reich counterpoint then Bach counterpoint:

http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml

The only Bach that I have played on the theremin is the six-voice
"Ricercare" from the musical offering -- however it is a multi-track
studio recording that wouldn't lend itself to looping.

http://kevinkissinger.com/bachricercare.shtml

As far as Bach counterpoint, the Halloween work "Mummies and Unholy
Ghosts" unexpectedly breaks into an entire fugue exposition.  I always
liked the way Beethoven does this in the final movement of his 3rd
Symphony (the "Eroica" symphony) and so I wanted to try it. :)

http://kevinkissinger.com/mummies.shtml

To complete this post which is more about Bach than looping, I also
posted a Bach transcription on my "Aries Synthesizer" page:

http://kevinkissinger.com/ariesinfo.shtml

In early August I will have a CD out (finally) that will feature some
new looped works all of which are informed from musical counterpoint.

So, to answer your question, I haven't tried to loop Bach per se,
however my approach to composition is informed from Bach and other
contrapuntal composers.  Looping is a great medium for anyone who
embraces counterpoint as part of one's musical language.

If you've recorded any Bach, let me know.  :)

-- Kevin

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Wouldn't the Repeater allow you to do that?

On 6/24/08, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>
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>
> OK .. to put this in English -- you would record your loop, then the
> loop would play back at a different pitch from the one you recorded it
> at.
>
> When I loop, I think contrapuntally however I have shyed away from
> Bach counterpoint per se, due to the limitations of my looping
> configuration.
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Wouldn&#39;t the Repeater allow you to do that?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/24/08, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
OK .. to put this in English -- you would record your loop, then the<br>
loop would play back at a different pitch from the one you recorded it<br>
at.<br>
<br>
When I loop, I think contrapuntally however I have shyed away from<br>
Bach counterpoint per se, due to the limitations of my looping<br>
configuration.<br>
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Hi Adam,

We have had a bit of an exchange about the Boss Slicer pedal only a few =
weeks ago.. nobody is shouting about it yet.

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  What's this all about, anyone know?  Just curious to hear what anyone =
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Along similar lines. has anyone tried performing Terry Reilly's  "In C"  by
looping themselves playing all the parts ?  

 

-Qua

 

 

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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM
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Hey all-

Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I thought
people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.

It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a more
beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of the
voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the
polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of the
individual voices. The way that is accomplished in detail
is...'counterpoint'.

-John Rahn

I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that can
be fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the
audioclips people have posted here for that matter.  I wonder if anyone here
has looped any bach .....  ?  Send it over if yah have ....... I would love
to hear that.


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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM<br>
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Hey all-<br>
<br>
Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I =
thought
people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.<br>
<br>
It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a =
more
beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of =
the
voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the =
polyphony,
which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of the =
individual
voices. The way that is accomplished in detail is...'counterpoint'.<br>
<br>
-John Rahn<br>
<br>
I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that =
can be
fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the
audioclips people have posted here for that matter.&nbsp; I wonder if =
anyone
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This has always fascinated me, but I never tried...

Fabio
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  Along similar lines. has anyone tried performing Terry Reilly's  "In =
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  From: aaronleese@flyloops.com [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com]=20
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  Hey all-

  Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I =
thought people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.

  It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several =
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more beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create =
each of the voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure =
of the polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on the =
structures of the individual voices. The way that is accomplished in =
detail is...'counterpoint'.

  -John Rahn

  I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things =
that can be fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in =
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wonder if anyone here has looped any bach .....  ?  Send it over if yah =
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yep,

once i realized that it was possible with ableton and the fcb1010 i couldn'=
t
wait to get the gear.  i have been writing in that 'modular style' for quit=
e
some time and am looking forward to reading "in C" with my new rig in
rehearsal soon. i'm also looking forward to doing an all electonic duo with
a looping friend of mine.

here is a link to one of my 'pre-technology' looping pieces (principal of
suffient irritation <http://www.paulbaileyensemble.org/mp3/lacc/112505.mp3>=
).
i'll be posting some of the new pieces (as well as our version of in c) as
we start performing the new charts.

cheers,

paul


On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

>  Along similar lines=85 has anyone tried performing Terry Reilly's  "In C=
"
> by looping themselves playing all the parts ?
>
>
>
> -Qua
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* aaronleese@flyloops.com [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM
> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> *Subject:* counterpoint quote
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey all-
>
> Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I
> thought people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.
>
> It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
> individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a m=
ore
> beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of t=
he
> voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the
> polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of =
the
> individual voices. The way that is accomplished in detail
> is...'counterpoint'.
>
> -John Rahn
>
> I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that c=
an
> be fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of th=
e
> audioclips people have posted here for that matter.  I wonder if anyone h=
ere
> has looped any bach .....  ?  Send it over if yah have ....... I would lo=
ve
> to hear that.
>



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yep,<br><br>once i realized that it was possible with ableton and the fcb10=
10 i couldn&#39;t wait to get the gear.&nbsp; i have been writing in that &=
#39;modular style&#39; for quite some time and am looking forward to readin=
g &quot;in C&quot; with my new rig in rehearsal soon. i&#39;m also looking =
forward to doing an all electonic duo with a looping friend of mine. <br>
<br>here is a link to one of my &#39;pre-technology&#39; looping pieces (<a=
 href=3D"http://www.paulbaileyensemble.org/mp3/lacc/112505.mp3">principal o=
f suffient irritation</a>). i&#39;ll be posting some of the new pieces (as =
well as our version of in c) as we start performing the new charts.<br>
<br>cheers,<br><br>paul<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2=
4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Qua Veda &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:qua@oregon.com">qua@ore=
gon.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border=
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t: 1ex;">









<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">

<div>

<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Along similar =
lines=85 has anyone tried performing Terry
Reilly's&nbsp; "In C"&nbsp; by looping themselves playing all the parts ?&n=
bsp;
</span></p>

<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>

<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Qua</span></p=
>

<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>

<p><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>

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<p><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size: 10pt;">
<a href=3D"mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com" target=3D"_blank">aaronleese@fly=
loops.com</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com" target=3D"=
_blank">aaronleese@flyloops.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" target=3D=
"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> counterpoint quote</span></p>

</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c">

<p>&nbsp;</p>

<p><br>
<br>
Hey all-<br>
<br>
Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I though=
t
people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.<br>
<br>
It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a mor=
e
beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of the
voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the polyphon=
y,
which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of the individua=
l
voices. The way that is accomplished in detail is...&#39;counterpoint&#39;.=
<br>
<br>
-John Rahn<br>
<br>
I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that can=
 be
fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the
audioclips people have posted here for that matter.&nbsp; I wonder if anyon=
e
here has looped any bach .....&nbsp; ?&nbsp; Send it over if yah have .....=
.. I
would love to hear that.</p>

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Per Boysen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Since we've been discussing MainStage and its graphical user interface
> lately, some folks might wonder what it looks like. Here I have posted
> a screenshot of a typical performance interface for looping:
> http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mainstagelooper.png
> 
> All screen objects are assigned to external gear, so you don't have to
> look at the screen while performing. But you may also click a screen
> object to call its targeted action. When I click with a foot pedal I
> need to glance at the screen now and then to move the cursor, by hand,
> to "arm" the next action I have in mind.
> 

What looping plugin or software are you using in that screenshot?

- Sam

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Loved it  !    

-Qua

 

From: paul bailey [mailto:bpbailey@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:47 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: counterpoint quote

 

yep,

once i realized that it was possible with ableton and the fcb1010 i couldn't
wait to get the gear.  i have been writing in that 'modular style' for quite
some time and am looking forward to reading "in C" with my new rig in
rehearsal soon. i'm also looking forward to doing an all electonic duo with
a looping friend of mine. 

here is a link to one of my 'pre-technology' looping pieces (principal of
<http://www.paulbaileyensemble.org/mp3/lacc/112505.mp3>  suffient
irritation). i'll be posting some of the new pieces (as well as our version
of in c) as we start performing the new charts.

cheers,

paul



On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

Along similar lines. has anyone tried performing Terry Reilly's  "In C"  by
looping themselves playing all the parts ?  

 

-Qua

 

 

From: aaronleese@flyloops.com [mailto:aaronleese@flyloops.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: counterpoint quote

 



Hey all-

Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I thought
people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.

It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a more
beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of the
voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the
polyphony, which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of the
individual voices. The way that is accomplished in detail
is...'counterpoint'.

-John Rahn

I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that can
be fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the
audioclips people have posted here for that matter.  I wonder if anyone here
has looped any bach .....  ?  Send it over if yah have ....... I would love
to hear that.




-- 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span
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bailey
[mailto:bpbailey@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: counterpoint quote<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>yep,<br>
<br>
once i realized that it was possible with ableton and the fcb1010 i =
couldn't
wait to get the gear.&nbsp; i have been writing in that 'modular style' =
for
quite some time and am looking forward to reading &quot;in C&quot; with =
my new
rig in rehearsal soon. i'm also looking forward to doing an all =
electonic duo
with a looping friend of mine. <br>
<br>
here is a link to one of my 'pre-technology' looping pieces (<a
href=3D"http://www.paulbaileyensemble.org/mp3/lacc/112505.mp3">principal =
of
suffient irritation</a>). i'll be posting some of the new pieces (as =
well as
our version of in c) as we start performing the new charts.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
<br>
paul<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Qua Veda &lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:qua@oregon.com">qua@oregon.com</a>&gt; =
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<p><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Along similar =
lines&#8230; has anyone
tried performing Terry Reilly's&nbsp; &quot;In C&quot;&nbsp; by looping
themselves playing all the parts ?&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><span =
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<p><span =
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<p><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
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target=3D"_blank">aaronleese@flyloops.com</a>
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 23, 2008 10:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> counterpoint quote</span><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p><br>
<br>
Hey all-<br>
<br>
Just reading on wikipedia and came across a really nice quote that I =
thought
people here might enjoy discussing from a looping pov.<br>
<br>
It is hard to write a beautiful song. It is harder to write several
individually beautiful songs that, when sung simultaneously, sound as a =
more
beautiful polyphonic whole. The internal structures that create each of =
the
voices separately must contribute to the emergent structure of the =
polyphony,
which in turn must reinforce and comment on the structures of the =
individual voices.
The way that is accomplished in detail is...'counterpoint'.<br>
<br>
-John Rahn<br>
<br>
I bring it up of course, since counterpoint is one of those things that =
can be
fairly easily accomplished with looping .... You hear it in some of the
audioclips people have posted here for that matter.&nbsp; I wonder if =
anyone
here has looped any bach .....&nbsp; ?&nbsp; Send it over if yah have =
....... I
would love to hear that.<o:p></o:p></p>

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Quoting paul bailey <bpbailey@gmail.com>:
>
> here is a link to one of my 'pre-technology' looping pieces (principal of
> suffient irritation <http://www.paulbaileyensemble.org/mp3/lacc/112505.mp3>).
>
I enjoyed this.  Thanks for posting.

Thanks for the MP3 format... easier for me to sneak a listen while I'm  
here at work.

-- Kevin :)

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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Sam Nilsson <sam@servingpeace.com> wrote:
> Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since we've been discussing MainStage and its graphical user interface
>> lately, some folks might wonder what it looks like. Here I have posted
>> a screenshot of a typical performance interface for looping:
>> http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mainstagelooper.png
>>
>> All screen objects are assigned to external gear, so you don't have to
>> look at the screen while performing. But you may also click a screen
>> object to call its targeted action. When I click with a foot pedal I
>> need to glance at the screen now and then to move the cursor, by hand,
>> to "arm" the next action I have in mind.
>>
>
> What looping plugin or software are you using in that screenshot?
>
> - Sam


Hi Sam,

That's two Augustus Loop in there right now. Augustus Loop is nice for
tape delay looping and it sends out a stable sync clock for the host
MainStage to follow. Today I'm checking out SooperLooper, but SL sends
out such a jittery clock that all beat synced plug-ins of MainStages
go havoc. So for the SooperLooper set I run  MainStage as the sync
master instead as slave (as with Augustus Loop). I don't think it's
such a big deal which looper I run in MainStage, the deal is to use
MainStage for its fifty something very fine built-in audio plug-ins.
(Mobius in MainStage would be quite a deal, but that's just another
league and besides, it isn't available as AU)

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I remeber when i was taking some crash music courses
in the university listening to some beautiful pieces
of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it was
also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort of
what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but this
were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher
after class the name of the composers but
unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody
recomend essential listenings of this?I am also really
interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string
music compositions.
thanx
Luis




--- Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't the Repeater allow you to do that?
> 
> On 6/24/08, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com
> <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK .. to put this in English -- you would record
> your loop, then the
> > loop would play back at a different pitch from the
> one you recorded it
> > at.
> >
> > When I loop, I think contrapuntally however I have
> shyed away from
> > Bach counterpoint per se, due to the limitations
> of my looping
> > configuration.
> >
> >
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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Per,
Interesting to see you back with Mainstage. I have fallen in love  
with the application. I just got a Godin Multiac Spectrum to take  
advantage of those beautiful instruments. I am having trouble using  
any sort of beats though. I have been experimenting with sending  
either ultrbeat or stylus into a sooperlooper loop. Its a bit of an  
adventure and not entirely consistent. I would rather have Stylus  
running at the Set Level, but then I can't get the software  
instruments to work. Its a work in progress, but I think Mainstage  
will inevitably become the way to go. It sounds so good.

Chris


On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Sam Nilsson <sam@servingpeace.com>  
> wrote:
>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Since we've been discussing MainStage and its graphical user  
>>> interface
>>> lately, some folks might wonder what it looks like. Here I have  
>>> posted
>>> a screenshot of a typical performance interface for looping:
>>> http://www.looproom.com/bilder/mainstagelooper.png
>>>
>>> All screen objects are assigned to external gear, so you don't  
>>> have to
>>> look at the screen while performing. But you may also click a screen
>>> object to call its targeted action. When I click with a foot pedal I
>>> need to glance at the screen now and then to move the cursor, by  
>>> hand,
>>> to "arm" the next action I have in mind.
>>>
>>
>> What looping plugin or software are you using in that screenshot?
>>
>> - Sam
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> That's two Augustus Loop in there right now. Augustus Loop is nice for
> tape delay looping and it sends out a stable sync clock for the host
> MainStage to follow. Today I'm checking out SooperLooper, but SL sends
> out such a jittery clock that all beat synced plug-ins of MainStages
> go havoc. So for the SooperLooper set I run  MainStage as the sync
> master instead as slave (as with Augustus Loop). I don't think it's
> such a big deal which looper I run in MainStage, the deal is to use
> MainStage for its fifty something very fine built-in audio plug-ins.
> (Mobius in MainStage would be quite a deal, but that's just another
> league and besides, it isn't available as AU)
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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Quoting "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>
> I remeber when i was taking some crash music courses
> in the university listening to some beautiful pieces
> of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it was
> also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort of
> what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but this
> were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher
> after class the name of the composers but
> unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody
> recomend essential listenings of this?I am also really
> interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string
> music compositions.
> thanx
> Luis
>


What comes to mind is the "Adagio for Strings" by Samuel Barber,
The "Gayane Ballet" by Aram Khachaturian (used in "2001, A Space Oddessy"),
"The Planets" by Gustav Holst  (has some slow movements that are quite =20
ethereal), and,
"The Unanswered Question" by Charles Ives

These works are pretty well-known -- you will likely recognize them =20
even if you don't know them by name.

Also, check out chant-based polyphony from composers such as =20
Palestrina and Byrd.  Though choral music the interleaving melodies =20
are quite haunting.

Anyway, this would be a start.

-- Kevin

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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> Per,
> Interesting to see you back with Mainstage. I have fallen in love with the
> application. I just got a Godin Multiac Spectrum to take advantage of those
> beautiful instruments. I am having trouble using any sort of beats though. I
> have been experimenting with sending either ultrbeat or stylus into a
> sooperlooper loop. Its a bit of an adventure and not entirely consistent. I
> would rather have Stylus running at the Set Level, but then I can't get the
> software instruments to work. Its a work in progress, but I think Mainstage
> will inevitably become the way to go. It sounds so good.
>
> Chris


Wow, you got a Spectrum - nice! I heard Elliott Sharp recently here in
Stockholm and he played a Duet Multiac. Awesome sound!

In MainStage found it best to open a looper on a bus. Then you can
target its parameters on the Concert level for controlling. It just
the Drum Pad object that doesn't work on the Concert level, which is a
bit of drag since it would be nice to use for a momentary switch
function. Yes, MS really sounds good! I had a great time tonight
playing flute through a -5 Harmonizer and the Delay Designer. What
awesome library patches the DD comes with! Those "ritardando slap
delays", aaaah....

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNF_P281Uu4

thank you Matt Harding !
-Qua

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Not looping but... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw

not sure what to call this !    

-Qua

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Thanx a lot Kevin!!
cheers
Luis


--- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:

> Quoting "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
> >
> > I remeber when i was taking some crash music
> courses
> > in the university listening to some beautiful
> pieces
> > of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it
> was
> > also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort
> of
> > what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but
> this
> > were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher
> > after class the name of the composers but
> > unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody
> > recomend essential listenings of this?I am also
> really
> > interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string
> > music compositions.
> > thanx
> > Luis
> >
> 
> 
> What comes to mind is the "Adagio for Strings" by
> Samuel Barber,
> The "Gayane Ballet" by Aram Khachaturian (used in
> "2001, A Space Oddessy"),
> "The Planets" by Gustav Holst  (has some slow
> movements that are quite  
> ethereal), and,
> "The Unanswered Question" by Charles Ives
> 
> These works are pretty well-known -- you will likely
> recognize them  
> even if you don't know them by name.
> 
> Also, check out chant-based polyphony from composers
> such as  
> Palestrina and Byrd.  Though choral music the
> interleaving melodies  
> are quite haunting.
> 
> Anyway, this would be a start.
> 
> -- Kevin
> 
> 


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      

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On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Qua Veda wrote:
> Not looping but...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I3Wk1DGxbw
>
> not sure what to call this !


I call it lovely!


BobC

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<P>That is nice, thanks for posting. </P>
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<P>Thanks,</P>
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How's everything? Well, I hope...

I'm trying to find some looper(s) to join me, a looping electronic drummer.

Looking for some free-form-ish musicians to jam regularly, possibly setup
gigs later. Someone that can count time and knows a little about chord
progressions preferred. I'm into stuff like ProjeKct 3, The Hosemobile,
Tuner, Gordian Knot, etc...kind of neo-fusion, dark, heavy, electronic
instrumentation/effects, 3rd World Kinetic Sensual, New World Technocrat,
always somewhat improvised...but "thinked". I have an electronic drum kit,
an RC50 loop pedal, the place to jam, a small PA setup and minor (but
decent) recording equipment. I am no Bill Bruford, nor anything close, but I
know what I like and I wanna have some fun figurin' it out. Oh, you should
also be somewhat party-able...

I'm on the West side of Baltimore, outside the city line...Gwynn Oak, MD.
Drop me a line.

ciao!
Dave

-- 
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How&#39;s everything? Well, I hope...<br><br>I&#39;m trying to find some looper(s) to join me, a looping electronic drummer.<br><br>Looking for some free-form-ish musicians to jam regularly, possibly
setup gigs later. Someone that can count time and knows a little about
chord progressions preferred. I&#39;m into stuff like ProjeKct 3, The
Hosemobile, Tuner, Gordian Knot, etc...kind of neo-fusion, dark, heavy, electronic
instrumentation/effects, 3rd World Kinetic Sensual, New World
Technocrat, always somewhat improvised...but &quot;thinked&quot;. I have an
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And if you going to the trouble of listening to Palestrina and Byrd,
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du Machaut, to name but a few more early masters ...

Dennis

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanx a lot Kevin!!
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
> --- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:
>
>> Quoting "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
>> >
>> > I remeber when i was taking some crash music
>> courses
>> > in the university listening to some beautiful
>> pieces
>> > of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it
>> was
>> > also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort
>> of
>> > what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but
>> this
>> > were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher
>> > after class the name of the composers but
>> > unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody
>> > recomend essential listenings of this?I am also
>> really
>> > interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string
>> > music compositions.
>> > thanx
>> > Luis
>> >
>>
>>
>> What comes to mind is the "Adagio for Strings" by
>> Samuel Barber,
>> The "Gayane Ballet" by Aram Khachaturian (used in
>> "2001, A Space Oddessy"),
>> "The Planets" by Gustav Holst  (has some slow
>> movements that are quite
>> ethereal), and,
>> "The Unanswered Question" by Charles Ives
>>
>> These works are pretty well-known -- you will likely
>> recognize them
>> even if you don't know them by name.
>>
>> Also, check out chant-based polyphony from composers
>> such as
>> Palestrina and Byrd.  Though choral music the
>> interleaving melodies
>> are quite haunting.
>>
>> Anyway, this would be a start.
>>
>> -- Kevin
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
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also Part's choral works could fit in that category.. check the Requiem for
instance ...

anyway, I like to take structure a part from polyphony, also if it's build
as a counterpoint of the parts.

i think, we loopers are far beyond those asking/answer, subject/response,
and bla, bla ... :-)

my 2 evil cents!
raul.

2008/6/25 Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>:

> And if you going to the trouble of listening to Palestrina and Byrd,
> you might as well add Heinrich Schutz, Claudio Monteverdi, Dufay, G.
> du Machaut, to name but a few more early masters ...
>
> Dennis
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thanx a lot Kevin!!
> > cheers
> > Luis
> >
> >
> > --- kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote:
> >
> >> Quoting "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>:
> >> >
> >> > I remeber when i was taking some crash music
> >> courses
> >> > in the university listening to some beautiful
> >> pieces
> >> > of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it
> >> was
> >> > also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort
> >> of
> >> > what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but
> >> this
> >> > were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher
> >> > after class the name of the composers but
> >> > unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody
> >> > recomend essential listenings of this?I am also
> >> really
> >> > interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string
> >> > music compositions.
> >> > thanx
> >> > Luis
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> What comes to mind is the "Adagio for Strings" by
> >> Samuel Barber,
> >> The "Gayane Ballet" by Aram Khachaturian (used in
> >> "2001, A Space Oddessy"),
> >> "The Planets" by Gustav Holst  (has some slow
> >> movements that are quite
> >> ethereal), and,
> >> "The Unanswered Question" by Charles Ives
> >>
> >> These works are pretty well-known -- you will likely
> >> recognize them
> >> even if you don't know them by name.
> >>
> >> Also, check out chant-based polyphony from composers
> >> such as
> >> Palestrina and Byrd.  Though choral music the
> >> interleaving melodies
> >> are quite haunting.
> >>
> >> Anyway, this would be a start.
> >>
> >> -- Kevin
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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also Part&#39;s choral works could fit in that category.. check the Requiem for instance ...<br><br>anyway, I like to take structure a part from polyphony, also if it&#39;s build as a counterpoint of the parts. <br><br>i think, we loopers are far beyond those asking/answer, subject/response, and bla, bla ... :-)<br>
<br>my 2 evil cents!<br>raul.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/25 Dennis Moser &lt;<a href="mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com">sinsofmachaut@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And if you going to the trouble of listening to Palestrina and Byrd,<br>
you might as well add Heinrich Schutz, Claudio Monteverdi, Dufay, G.<br>
du Machaut, to name but a few more early masters ...<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Dennis<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, L.A. Angulo &lt;<a href="mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Thanx a lot Kevin!!<br>
&gt; cheers<br>
&gt; Luis<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --- <a href="mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com">kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Quoting &quot;L.A. Angulo&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com">labaloops@yahoo.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I remeber when i was taking some crash music<br>
&gt;&gt; courses<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in the university listening to some beautiful<br>
&gt;&gt; pieces<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; of counterpoint (if i am not mistaken)at times it<br>
&gt;&gt; was<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; also just strings fading in and out slowly (sort<br>
&gt;&gt; of<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; what fripp does with his synth soundscapes)but<br>
&gt;&gt; this<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; were classical pieces.I remeber asking the teacher<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; after class the name of the composers but<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; unfortunately lost my notes on that,can anybody<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; recomend essential listenings of this?I am also<br>
&gt;&gt; really<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; interested in dreamy soundscapey classical string<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; music compositions.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; thanx<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; Luis<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; What comes to mind is the &quot;Adagio for Strings&quot; by<br>
&gt;&gt; Samuel Barber,<br>
&gt;&gt; The &quot;Gayane Ballet&quot; by Aram Khachaturian (used in<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;2001, A Space Oddessy&quot;),<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Planets&quot; by Gustav Holst &nbsp;(has some slow<br>
&gt;&gt; movements that are quite<br>
&gt;&gt; ethereal), and,<br>
&gt;&gt; &quot;The Unanswered Question&quot; by Charles Ives<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; These works are pretty well-known -- you will likely<br>
&gt;&gt; recognize them<br>
&gt;&gt; even if you don&#39;t know them by name.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Also, check out chant-based polyphony from composers<br>
&gt;&gt; such as<br>
&gt;&gt; Palestrina and Byrd. &nbsp;Though choral music the<br>
&gt;&gt; interleaving melodies<br>
&gt;&gt; are quite haunting.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Anyway, this would be a start.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; -- Kevin<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.myspace.com/luisangulocom" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/luisangulocom</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
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heard very good things about it, too.
Unfortunately, doesn't have many controls (i.e. like the Motu Ultralite)
Buzap

> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/  Check out the Audiofire 4 or
> 8. I have the Indigo as a backup to my Fireface 400.  Echo makes decent
> gear, and most importantly their drivers appear to be stable.
> Kris

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Hi Loopers

been experimenting on my Mac with Ableton Live and SooperLooper.
It's very promising because this would allow me to use Live for "live" looping ;-)

So, I've used SooperLooper as AU plug-in on an Ableton track.
In Ableton, I've set MIDI track/sync to "on" for input/output (SL). Then, for global tempo I've activated "EXT" (external).

So, this more or less worked the first time.  The external "flash" was binking. But I haven't been able to get external sync anytime after that. (no more blinking).
I've gone through it several times and can't figure it out - any hints?

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If you are trying to run SL as the master and Live as the slave you
have to do two more things: Set SL to "Output MIDI Clock" (MIDI
Bindings page) and set Live to use SooperLooper as sync (Live's MIDI
and Sync preferences)

Per

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi Loopers
>
> been experimenting on my Mac with Ableton Live and SooperLooper.
> It's very promising because this would allow me to use Live for "live" lo=
oping ;-)
>
> So, I've used SooperLooper as AU plug-in on an Ableton track.
> In Ableton, I've set MIDI track/sync to "on" for input/output (SL). Then,=
 for global tempo I've activated "EXT" (external).
>
> So, this more or less worked the first time.  The external "flash" was bi=
nking. But I haven't been able to get external sync anytime after that. (no=
 more blinking).
> I've gone through it several times and can't figure it out - any hints?
>
> Buzap
> --
> Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!
> Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer
>
>



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Echo are good. I have an Audiofire 2 and it is great for its
functionality. However, I did not recommend anything to your post
since I know nothing that matches your requests (less than xx$ and
four inputs). My own fav is the RME Fireface400 (two XLR with optional
48v, two line/instrument jacks plus digital ADAT/ or S/pdif available
as optical or coaxial. ADAT carries eight channels).

Per


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> heard very good things about it, too.
> Unfortunately, doesn't have many controls (i.e. like the Motu Ultralite)
> Buzap
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>> http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/  Check out the Audiofire 4 or
>> 8. I have the Indigo as a backup to my Fireface 400.  Echo makes decent
>> gear, and most importantly their drivers appear to be stable.
>> Kris
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Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when sync'd? 

Specifically, I'm wondering what happens when the incoming midi tempo is 
varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change is ignored if you're in 
dub mode.

Thanks,
Dan Ash
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> rs@moinlabs.de schrieb:
>> Frankly, I find it hard to believe that, taking into account how old
Stefan Tiedje wrote:
> Yes, it was the same converter and the same environment, same sort of 

> It might be that really expensive converters will show less difference, 
> or in other words, they might sound also good at lower sampling rates...
> 
> Stefan
> 

I think I read this in Sound On Sound, seems reasonable :-

As clock frequency increases, it becomes harder to make a jitter free clock,
so quality can decrease.

andy butler (just back from Welsh Loopfest )



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As my external audio interface is only laid out for mono recording (M- 
Audio Fasttrack), I intend to record a stereo line signal directly  
through the audio input of my laptop (Mac PowerBook G4). A first  
quick test has produced satisfactory results. My question now is  
whether I'd get considerably better results if I invested in an  
external stereo audio interface. Any input is greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Nico


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> satisfactory results. My question now is whether I'd get 
> considerably better results if I invested in an external 
> stereo audio interface. Any input is greatly appreciated.

I'd say "no", unless you expect (and are willing to invest) a lot. Latency
won't be an issue for you for recording, the same goes for advanced mixer
functionality on the sound hardware level ("zero latency monitoring"). Sound
quality shouldn't be too much of a difference. So unless Apple has serious
flaws in the PCB design (which I don't assume given that you were able to
get satisfactory results) or you are really needing high-quality audio, stay
with what you got.

	Rainer

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By the way Dan,ive tried the tap tempo function on the timefactor via midi through the fcb1010 but it sends weird tempo messages ive visited the forums but most people are using it via footswitch which works fine but not midi, have you tried it? also tis a pity that the spill over function doesnt work that smooth when changing presets!
cheers
Luis

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--- On Wed, 6/25/08, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net>
> Subject: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:31 AM
> Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when sync'd? 
> 
> Specifically, I'm wondering what happens when the
> incoming midi tempo is 
> varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change is ignored
> if you're in 
> dub mode.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan Ash
> White Plains, NY
> 
> Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone
> else.


      

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Hey Eric!
thanx for your comment,actually i was having problems with my delay pedal w=
hich id gotte a day before, i was just controlling the feedback through the=
 FCB1010 but there is weird volume pops when changing presets,to tell you t=
he truth i don=B4t even know the answer to your question other than acciden=
tal, i was just playing and controlling the feedback but sometimes i would =
forget to reactivate the preset to control the feedback and i am just glad =
i didnt blow peoples ear;-)
cheers
Luis




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--- On Tue, 6/24/08, E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: E Gross <slapbandjam@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Cologne Live looping festival L.A. live tracks
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 3:49 PM
> Hi Luis,
> That is nice, thanks for posting.=20
> Question from a newbie -- how did you get the the
> controlled feedback sound at for example :37-:50 of
> Burning Peninsula? That happened to me once by mistake when
> I was using Mobius but it seemed you have it under nice
> control.
> Thanks,
> Eric=0A=0A=0A      

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Hi Per

yes, I've forgotten "Output MIDI Clock" on SL - thanks!

> If you are trying to run SL as the master and Live as the slave you
> have to do two more things: Set SL to "Output MIDI Clock" (MIDI
> Bindings page) and set Live to use SooperLooper as sync (Live's MIDI
> and Sync preferences)

For, the Ableton sync settings I have to do the following, right?
- Go to the settings (http://frontierdesign.com/images/TranzPort/livepref.jpg)
- Activate ONLY SooperLooper-Input-Sync ON

is this correct (+activate EXT)? I wasn't able to figure out what "midi track on" is, but I guess I don't really need it.

I'll try that out how it works...
Buzap

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> My own fav is the RME Fireface400 

While we're at it...

I was considering the Motu Ultralite. (http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/)
I'd prefer the Ultralite because I'd be able to control it better without touching a computer and it is simply cheaper. Now, some say the RME FF400 is simply the best in that domain, others say it is over-rated and the Ultralite is ok.

Would I have any disadvantages using a Motu Ultralite  that is relevant for Live Looping (latency, stability on Mac & PC...)?

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> > My own fav is the RME Fireface400=20
> touching a computer and it is simply cheaper. Now, some say the RME FF400=
 is
> simply the best in that domain, others say it is over-rated and the
> Ultralite is ok.

Hey Buzap,

I'm sorry I can't comment on the Ultralite (the only thing I know about MOT=
U is that I'm pissed at them for currently not manufacturing their MIDI Exp=
ress XT).

Regarding RME (I have two of their interfaces myself): The beautiful thing =
about their stuff is that these are basically no-brainer designs: the inter=
faces work (as opposed to, say, Presonus, which create problems with Hitach=
i Firewire chipsets), the drivers work (as opposed to TC Electronic), drive=
rs are readily available for 64-bit Windows, also for their older interface=
 designs (which for those who need it really creates some unique customer v=
alue), and the audio quality is always ok. Btw, they're the only interfaces=
 which pass the so-called Kaisertest (a test for audio interfaces which amo=
ng other things focuses a lot on crosstalk).

Summarizing: the RME will always work. Other interfaces may be cheaper, but=
 then they may not work properly.

          Rainer


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> Summarizing: the RME will always work. Other interfaces may be cheaper,
> but then they may not work properly.

I'd always second that for any other interface. All I heard was that there are basically three reliable firewire interfaces:
- RME
- Motu
- Echo
I've heard i.e. some people praising the Motu Traveler.
If it is really worth it, I'd eventually get the RME FF400, but since I want to perform with the laptop _closed_ , it would be good to have more options for mixing directly on the interface - lilke the Motu Ultralite.

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Hi folks,

I'll be doing video improvisations with the band Rabid Owl at the 
Lily Pad in Cambridge on Friday starting around  8. (I've heard their 
music, and it is quite nice -- don't be scared by the name --  this 
will be a hot-:)

1353 Cambridge Street, Cambridge MA.



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" Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better."  -- Paul Bley

		Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D.
Video Producer			Image Processing Specialist
Video for your HEAD!			Boris FX
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I'll second the RME 400. Solid as a rock. I went through four interfaces and 
hours of troubleshooting, time with customer support, etc, to finally just 
accept the fact that I should have bought top quality to begin with.

Kris

> > My own fav is the RME Fireface400
> touching a computer and it is simply cheaper. Now, some say the RME FF400 
> is
> simply the best in that domain, others say it is over-rated and the
> Ultralite is ok.

Hey Buzap,

I'm sorry I can't comment on the Ultralite (the only thing I know about MOTU 
is that I'm pissed at them for currently not manufacturing their MIDI 
Express XT).

Regarding RME (I have two of their interfaces myself): The beautiful thing 
about their stuff is that these are basically no-brainer designs: the 
interfaces work (as opposed to, say, Presonus, which create problems with 
Hitachi Firewire chipsets), the drivers work (as opposed to TC Electronic), 
drivers are readily available for 64-bit Windows, also for their older 
interface designs (which for those who need it really creates some unique 
customer value), and the audio quality is always ok. Btw, they're the only 
interfaces which pass the so-called Kaisertest (a test for audio interfaces 
which among other things focuses a lot on crosstalk).

Summarizing: the RME will always work. Other interfaces may be cheaper, but 
then they may not work properly.

          Rainer


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There have been a number of threads lately that discussed music and  
visuals. I've uploaded a video to my myspace site (and to youtube)  
which may be of interest to some of you. It features animated  
typography, dance and music. It even contains some (recycled) live  
looping (04:39 - 05:45). Here are the links:

http://www.myspace.com/nicospahni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYY8ob6-_hQ

Enjoy

Nico

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> I was considering the Motu Ultralite.

I have an Ultralite and like it.  The features of the RME and MOTU
seem to be about equal but the general consensus seems to be that the
RME has slightly better sound quality and better mic pres.  You'll
have to decide if that's worth the extra cost, for me it wasn't.

The one problem I have had with other MOTU devices (828mkII) is that
they work well on Macs but the Windows drivers tend to lag behind in
stability.  I had a consistent problem with the 828 crashing Windows
XP if you turned it's power off and back on.  I've been using the
Ultralite with Vista for about 6 months now with no obvious problems
(other than Vista).

Jeff

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Thanks, Jeff, that's encouraging :-)
@Kris: Would be interesting to know which specific interfaces to avoid...

Still, I should mention: with my current crazy A/B switches on the RC-50, I might be able a transition just a little bit longer ;-)

best regards
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Quoting samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com>:
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>  And if you're going to listen to the old masters,you might as well   
> listen to the modern master of counterpoint- Moondog!
>
Excellent observation.

Much of Moondog's music would loop quite well -- since he wrote many rounds.

My favorite is "Nero's Expedition on the Nile".   -- which will likely  
now play in my head for the rest of the day!

-- Kevin

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I had nightmares with the M-Audio Firewire 410 and Emu 1616 cardbus, and the 
Edirol UA-5 wasn't so hot, but at least it worked (had a fair amount of 
latency).  I think te Motu and FW400 are your best bets.  You get what you 
pay for, in most cases.

Kris



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> Thanks, Jeff, that's encouraging :-)
> @Kris: Would be interesting to know which specific interfaces to avoid...
>
> Still, I should mention: with my current crazy A/B switches on the RC-50, 
> I might be able a transition just a little bit longer ;-)
>
> best regards
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   *Dear partner*
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*How are you? I hope you are very fine with your entire family.If so glory
be to almigthy God.*
*I'm happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds transferred
under the cooperation of a new partner from Mexico.

Presently i'm in Mexico for investment projects with my own share of the
total sum. meanwhile,I didn't forget your past efforts and attempts to
assist me in transferring those funds despite that it failed us some how.*
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touched with my secretary Mrs.DORIS TUNDE and instruct him the address where
to send the cheque to you.*
*Please do let me know immediately you receive it so that we can share the
joy after all the sufferness at that time. in the moment, I'm very busy here
because of the investment projects which me and the new partner are having
at hand.

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secretary on your behalf to deliver that cheque to you, so feel free to get
in touch with Mrs.DORIS TUNDE, by email  he will send the cheque for  you
without any delay.*
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<div><font color="#000000"><strong>How are you? I hope you are very fine with your entire family.If so glory be to almigthy God.</strong></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000"><strong>I&#39;m happy to inform you about my success in getting those funds transferred under the cooperation of a new partner from <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1211059174_0" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Mexico</span>. <br>
&nbsp;<br>Presently i&#39;m in <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1211059174_1" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Mexico</span> for investment projects with my own share of the total sum. meanwhile,I didn&#39;t forget your past efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring those funds despite that it failed us some how.</strong></font></div>

<div><font color="#000000"><strong>Now contact my secretary in <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1214432155_1" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">BURKINA-FASO</span> <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1211059174_2" style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">WEST AFRICA</span> his name is Mrs.DORIS TUNDE, <a id="folderviewmsg15subjlink" href="http://us.f623.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?DMid=477_939319_5798_455_1952_0_2069_4074_3768031484&amp;YY=33561&amp;y5beta=yes&amp;y5beta=yes&amp;inc=25&amp;order=down&amp;sort=date&amp;pos=0&amp;view=a&amp;head=b&amp;box=Draft" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><font color="#003399"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1214432155_2">doris_tunde77@yahoo.es</span>&nbsp;</font></a></strong><strong>&nbsp;ask him to send you the total cheque of $ 80<strong>.000.00&nbsp;</strong> dollars which I kept for your&nbsp; compensation for all the past efforts and attempts to assist me in this matter.</strong></font></div>

<div><font color="#000000"><strong>I appreciated your efforts at that time very much. so feel free and get in touched with my secretary Mrs.<strong>DORIS TUNDE </strong>and instruct him the address where to send the cheque to you.</strong></font></div>

<div><font color="#000000"><strong>Please do let me know immediately you receive it so that we can share the joy after all the sufferness at that time. in the moment, I&#39;m very busy here because of the investment projects which me and the new partner are having at hand. <br>
&nbsp;<br>Finally, remember that I had forwarded instruction to my <br>secretary on your behalf to deliver that cheque to you, so feel free to get in touch with Mrs.DORIS TUNDE, by email&nbsp; he will send the cheque for&nbsp; you without any delay.</strong></font></div>

<div><font color="#000000"><strong>Regards,</strong></font></div>
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Have you checked to make sure the beat sub-divisions are set to what  
you expect?  I was having a heck of a time with the Tap Tempo until I  
realized the sub-division was set to triplet eight notes, when I was  
expecting a quarter note delay.  Was driving me crazy!  I thought I'd  
completely lost all rhythmic ability!!

I'm using the 2.xx beta software and haven't had any problems with  
Tap Tempo via MIDI (except user error!).  Looks like Eventide just  
released a new version of the software a couple of days ago.  Might  
be worth upgrading to see if it fixes your problem.

Matt

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On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:11 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

> By the way Dan,ive tried the tap tempo function on the timefactor  
> via midi through the fcb1010 but it sends weird tempo messages ive  
> visited the forums but most people are using it via footswitch  
> which works fine but not midi, have you tried it? also tis a pity  
> that the spill over function doesnt work that smooth when changing  
> presets!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net>
>> Subject: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:31 AM
>> Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when sync'd?
>>
>> Specifically, I'm wondering what happens when the
>> incoming midi tempo is
>> varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change is ignored
>> if you're in
>> dub mode.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan Ash
>> White Plains, NY
>>
>> Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone
>> else.
>
>
>
>
>

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Per Eventide's website v2 software improves the accuracy of Tap Tempo  
via MIDI.

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On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote:

> Have you checked to make sure the beat sub-divisions are set to  
> what you expect?  I was having a heck of a time with the Tap Tempo  
> until I realized the sub-division was set to triplet eight notes,  
> when I was expecting a quarter note delay.  Was driving me crazy!   
> I thought I'd completely lost all rhythmic ability!!
>
> I'm using the 2.xx beta software and haven't had any problems with  
> Tap Tempo via MIDI (except user error!).  Looks like Eventide just  
> released a new version of the software a couple of days ago.  Might  
> be worth upgrading to see if it fixes your problem.
>
> Matt
>
> ---
> King Never
> www.kingnever.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:11 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
>
>> By the way Dan,ive tried the tap tempo function on the timefactor  
>> via midi through the fcb1010 but it sends weird tempo messages ive  
>> visited the forums but most people are using it via footswitch  
>> which works fine but not midi, have you tried it? also tis a pity  
>> that the spill over function doesnt work that smooth when changing  
>> presets!
>> cheers
>> Luis
>>
>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:31 AM
>>> Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when sync'd?
>>>
>>> Specifically, I'm wondering what happens when the
>>> incoming midi tempo is
>>> varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change is ignored
>>> if you're in
>>> dub mode.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan Ash
>>> White Plains, NY
>>>
>>> Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone
>>> else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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thankyou for posting the quote -=20
i was unaware of this mans life-
ive spent the past 5 hours reading about him and listening to his music, ju=
st got to sax pax for a sax-
beats the hell outa jerry springer

..so ill post my favorite quote from my readings..

PSF: You're also working on Overtone Tree?

That's one of my symphonies that I've been working on for twenty years. I f=
inally got it finished now. I've been doing a lot of other work but this is=
 a major work. I don't expect that it'll be ever played. It'll probably be =
buried with me. It's written for four conductors- one main conductor and th=
ree assitants because at one time, there may be as many as sixty or seventy=
 parts going and one conductor can't hanlde that. It's all counterpointal. =
So each conductor would have his own score and be in charge of a certain se=
ction of the orchestra. It's based on the first nine overtones and I tried =
that as a theme in '73 on the northwest corner of 55th Street and Sixth Ave=
nue- that's where I got the idea to use overtones as a theme. After I worke=
d on it, I went to Europe. I was in Hamburg in '75 and I was working on the=
 overtones and I finally realized that I had something interesting here. It=
 was a code. I didn't know it was a code but I cracked the code and found o=
ut how to develop it. Ten years later, I found out what it was. I wasn't lo=
oking for a code.

That code proves that not only whoever created the universe does exist but =
he, I call him the mega-mind, wants us to know he exists. Within this code,=
 it also proves that contraction must come before expansion. It also proves=
 that a cause can become an effect and an effect can become a cause. It pro=
ves the two-directionality of time. It proves that the past is the future a=
nd the future is the past. All this flys in the face of what Hubble did, sa=
ying that there was a big bang and an expansion of the universe. His is a t=
heory but mine is a fact. A fact incontrovertable, as I call it. They talke=
d about these theories of mine on National Public Radio.



...well not really a quote...more like a paragraph

thanks again
________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:51:56 -0700
>=20
>  And if you're going to listen to the old masters,you might as well liste=
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Hi Per

just for feedback:
> have to do two more things: Set SL to "Output MIDI Clock" (MIDI
> Bindings page) and set Live to use SooperLooper as sync (Live's MIDI
> and Sync preferences)

Yes, that did the trick. But I also had to set "sync to Loop1" and had to tweak the 8th cycle in SL and quantization in Live so that it worked.
The catch-up in Ableton Live is really nice, i.e. if you go to some obscure BPM. :)

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Thanks Kris.

I guess the RME is first choice, indeed. Motu & Echo seem also ok.
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an update yeah,yeah,Rocking thanx!
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Matthew F. McCabe <mmccabe@finleysound.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew F. McCabe <mmccabe@finleysound.com>
> Subject: Re: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 10:39 PM
> Per Eventide's website v2 software improves the accuracy
> of Tap Tempo  
> via MIDI.
> 
> ---
> King Never
> www.kingnever.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote:
> 
> > Have you checked to make sure the beat sub-divisions
> are set to  
> > what you expect?  I was having a heck of a time with
> the Tap Tempo  
> > until I realized the sub-division was set to triplet
> eight notes,  
> > when I was expecting a quarter note delay.  Was
> driving me crazy!   
> > I thought I'd completely lost all rhythmic
> ability!!
> >
> > I'm using the 2.xx beta software and haven't
> had any problems with  
> > Tap Tempo via MIDI (except user error!).  Looks like
> Eventide just  
> > released a new version of the software a couple of
> days ago.  Might  
> > be worth upgrading to see if it fixes your problem.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > ---
> > King Never
> > www.kingnever.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:11 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
> >
> >> By the way Dan,ive tried the tap tempo function on
> the timefactor  
> >> via midi through the fcb1010 but it sends weird
> tempo messages ive  
> >> visited the forums but most people are using it
> via footswitch  
> >> which works fine but not midi, have you tried it?
> also tis a pity  
> >> that the spill over function doesnt work that
> smooth when changing  
> >> presets!
> >> cheers
> >> Luis
> >>
> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Dan Ash
> <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net>
> >>> Subject: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
> >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:31 AM
> >>> Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when
> sync'd?
> >>>
> >>> Specifically, I'm wondering what happens
> when the
> >>> incoming midi tempo is
> >>> varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change
> is ignored
> >>> if you're in
> >>> dub mode.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Dan Ash
> >>> White Plains, NY
> >>>
> >>> Always remember that you're unique. Just
> like everyone
> >>> else.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


      

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yes Matt,thats the first thing i checked, and as i said no problem with an aux switch,is it neccesary to have the tap tempo feature turned "on" on the FCB1010?
i sent eventide a mail about it lets see if they have adressed it on the new update.
Luis

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 6/26/08, Matthew F. McCabe <mmccabe@finleysound.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew F. McCabe <mmccabe@finleysound.com>
> Subject: Re: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 10:34 PM
> Have you checked to make sure the beat sub-divisions are set
> to what  
> you expect?  I was having a heck of a time with the Tap
> Tempo until I  
> realized the sub-division was set to triplet eight notes,
> when I was  
> expecting a quarter note delay.  Was driving me crazy!  I
> thought I'd  
> completely lost all rhythmic ability!!
> 
> I'm using the 2.xx beta software and haven't had
> any problems with  
> Tap Tempo via MIDI (except user error!).  Looks like
> Eventide just  
> released a new version of the software a couple of days
> ago.  Might  
> be worth upgrading to see if it fixes your problem.
> 
> Matt
> 
> ---
> King Never
> www.kingnever.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2008, at 12:11 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
> 
> > By the way Dan,ive tried the tap tempo function on the
> timefactor  
> > via midi through the fcb1010 but it sends weird tempo
> messages ive  
> > visited the forums but most people are using it via
> footswitch  
> > which works fine but not midi, have you tried it? also
> tis a pity  
> > that the spill over function doesnt work that smooth
> when changing  
> > presets!
> > cheers
> > Luis
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Dan Ash
> <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Dan Ash <Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Eventide Timefactor sync in loop mode
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 7:31 AM
> >> Anyone know how the Timefactor behaves when
> sync'd?
> >>
> >> Specifically, I'm wondering what happens when
> the
> >> incoming midi tempo is
> >> varied.  Also whether the incoming sync change is
> ignored
> >> if you're in
> >> dub mode.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dan Ash
> >> White Plains, NY
> >>
> >> Always remember that you're unique. Just like
> everyone
> >> else.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


      

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i use mobius in bidule and would like the mobius window to stay on top when 
i click somewhere else.
right now it minimizes and i have to click it back up all the time.

anybody have an idea?

smooth looping - tilmann 

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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com> wrote:
> i use mobius in bidule and would like the mobius window to stay on top when
> i click somewhere else.
> right now it minimizes and i have to click it back up all the time.
>
> anybody have an idea?


Hi Tilman,

I too have had this issue. But there doesn't seem to be a cure, since
software just works the way that when clicking in a window on the
screen the computer's operating system makes this window's application
the active application, meaning the window goes "on top".

A way to work around it may be to place windows beside each other,
inside your working space, so that even when a window is not "on top"
(part of the application active at that moment) you will always be
able to see all windows.

Another way may be to only keep Mobius on the top for clicking Mobuis
virtual buttons on screen. This implies that you can not use clickable
object buttons in Bidule and have to assign external physical MIDI
buttons/knobs to these Bidule objects. This is the path I have chosen
for my Mobius/Bidule setup.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I'm pretty sure ECHO drivers, work stable for PC and Mac Intel, as in my
Audiofire 2. ECHO's are cheaper than RME, if you don't need those RME
preamps. Some people at forums use to be agree that they are underrated
comparing to Presonus, Mackie, Motu, etc. Better conversion and rock solid
drivers.

raul.

2008/6/27 Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>:

> Thanks Kris.
>
> I guess the RME is first choice, indeed. Motu & Echo seem also ok.
> Buzap
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I&#39;m pretty sure ECHO drivers, work stable for PC and Mac Intel, as in my Audiofire 2. ECHO&#39;s are cheaper than RME, if you don&#39;t need those RME preamps. Some people at forums use to be agree that they are underrated comparing to Presonus, Mackie, Motu, etc. Better conversion and rock solid drivers.<br>
<br>raul.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/27 Buzap Buzap &lt;<a href="mailto:buzap@gmx.net">buzap@gmx.net</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Thanks Kris.<br>
<br>
I guess the RME is first choice, indeed. Motu &amp; Echo seem also ok.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">Buzap<br>
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Another vote for the RME Fireface products. Impeccable implementation,
great sound, extreme flexibility. I was an Echo Audio devotee until I
snagged a Fireface 800 on sale for a nanosecond at Mus's Friend; tried a
MOTU briefly a few years ago and hated it; had an Emu 1212 and found the
interface inscrutable and the build quality poor.  =20

That said, I also have an Indigo and it too is rock solid.

They are two radically different beasts. In each case, you get what you
pay for, but with the Indigo be aware that what you lose in paying low $
is not reliability or audio quality, but flexibility and features.=20

Hal Dean


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I had nightmares with the M-Audio Firewire 410 and Emu 1616 cardbus, and
the=20
Edirol UA-5 wasn't so hot, but at least it worked (had a fair amount of=20
latency).  I think te Motu and FW400 are your best bets.  You get what
you=20
pay for, in most cases.

Kris



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> Thanks, Jeff, that's encouraging :-)
> @Kris: Would be interesting to know which specific interfaces to
avoid...
>
> Still, I should mention: with my current crazy A/B switches on the
RC-50,=20
> I might be able a transition just a little bit longer ;-)
>
> best regards
> Buzap
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but recent Audiofires may rival or near RME audio quality except preamps
(but anyway, neither RME's are much better, no top quality indeed! ), at a
much lower cost.

besides, ECHOs are more cheaper in the US than here.

I've seen the Audiofire12 under 600$ in u.s. web shops and here it's
difficult to find them under 550 =80 !! which is at least a half more.

I think it's time to say i'm not endorsing ECHO products, just i've owned
some and i'm a happy user.

raul.




2008/6/27 Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu>:


> They are two radically different beasts. In each case, you get what you
> pay for, but with the Indigo be aware that what you lose in paying low $
> is not reliability or audio quality, but flexibility and features.
>
> Hal Dean
>



--=20
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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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but recent Audiofires may rival or near RME audio quality except preamps (b=
ut anyway, neither RME&#39;s are much better, no top quality indeed! ), at =
a much lower cost.<br><br>besides, ECHOs are more cheaper in the US than he=
re.<br>
<br>I&#39;ve seen the Audiofire12 under 600$ in u.s. web shops and here it&=
#39;s difficult to find them under 550 =80 !! which is at least a half more=
.<br><br>I think it&#39;s time to say i&#39;m not endorsing ECHO products, =
just i&#39;ve owned some and i&#39;m a happy user.<br>
<br>raul.<br><br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2008/6/27 Dean, Hal=
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ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204=
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<br>
They are two radically different beasts. In each case, you get what you<br>
pay for, but with the Indigo be aware that what you lose in paying low $<br=
>
is not reliability or audio quality, but flexibility and features.<br>
<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Hal Dean<br>
</font><div class=3D"Ih2E3d"></div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div></div><br =
clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href=3D"http://www.telef=
onica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Co=
llective: <a href=3D"http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective=
.com</a><br>
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We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some code
which now allows us to select a 'stay on top' function.  Is it worth asking
Jeff to explore this too?  I say this as a hopeful future Mobius user.
bests,  todd

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com>
> wrote:
> > i use mobius in bidule and would like the mobius window to stay on top
> when
> > i click somewhere else.
> > right now it minimizes and i have to click it back up all the time.
> >
> > anybody have an idea?
>
>
> Hi Tilman,
>
> I too have had this issue. But there doesn't seem to be a cure, since
> software just works the way that when clicking in a window on the
> screen the computer's operating system makes this window's application
> the active application, meaning the window goes "on top".
>
> A way to work around it may be to place windows beside each other,
> inside your working space, so that even when a window is not "on top"
> (part of the application active at that moment) you will always be
> able to see all windows.
>
> Another way may be to only keep Mobius on the top for clicking Mobuis
> virtual buttons on screen. This implies that you can not use clickable
> object buttons in Bidule and have to assign external physical MIDI
> buttons/knobs to these Bidule objects. This is the path I have chosen
> for my Mobius/Bidule setup.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
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>


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We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some code which now allows us to select a &#39;stay on top&#39; function. &nbsp;Is it worth asking Jeff to explore this too? &nbsp;I say this as a hopeful future Mobius user.<div>
<br></div><div>bests, &nbsp;todd<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:19 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard &lt;<a href="mailto:tilmann@dehnhard.com">tilmann@dehnhard.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; i use mobius in bidule and would like the mobius window to stay on top when<br>
&gt; i click somewhere else.<br>
&gt; right now it minimizes and i have to click it back up all the time.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; anybody have an idea?<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Hi Tilman,<br>
<br>
I too have had this issue. But there doesn&#39;t seem to be a cure, since<br>
software just works the way that when clicking in a window on the<br>
screen the computer&#39;s operating system makes this window&#39;s application<br>
the active application, meaning the window goes &quot;on top&quot;.<br>
<br>
A way to work around it may be to place windows beside each other,<br>
inside your working space, so that even when a window is not &quot;on top&quot;<br>
(part of the application active at that moment) you will always be<br>
able to see all windows.<br>
<br>
Another way may be to only keep Mobius on the top for clicking Mobuis<br>
virtual buttons on screen. This implies that you can not use clickable<br>
object buttons in Bidule and have to assign external physical MIDI<br>
buttons/knobs to these Bidule objects. This is the path I have chosen<br>
for my Mobius/Bidule setup.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br><br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br>
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> We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some
> code which now allows us to select a 'stay on top' function.  Is it
> worth asking Jeff to explore this too?

Yes there are ways to make a window stay on top.  I'll add it
to the list :-)

Jeff

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Wow--what a read!  Thanks for posting it.

dave 
micdave@hiwaay.net 

Subject: RE: Counterpoint quote


thankyou for posting the quote - 
i was unaware of this mans life-
ive spent the past 5 hours reading about him and listening to his music,
just got to sax pax for a sax-
beats the hell outa jerry springer

..so ill post my favorite quote from my readings..

PSF: You're also working on Overtone Tree?

That's one of my symphonies that I've been working on for twenty years. I
finally got it finished now. I've been doing a lot of other work but this is
a major work. I don't expect that it'll be ever played. It'll probably be
buried with me. It's written for four conductors- one main conductor and
three assitants because at one time, there may be as many as sixty or
seventy parts going and one conductor can't hanlde that. It's all
counterpointal. So each conductor would have his own score and be in charge
of a certain section of the orchestra. It's based on the first nine
overtones and I tried that as a theme in '73 on the northwest corner of 55th
Street and Sixth Avenue- that's where I got the idea to use overtones as a
theme. After I worked on it, I went to Europe. I was in Hamburg in '75 and I
was working on the overtones and I finally realized that I had something
interesting here. It was a code. I didn't know it was a code but I cracked
the code and found out how to develop it. Ten years later, I found out what
it was. I wasn't looking for a code.

That code proves that not only whoever created the universe does exist but
he, I call him the mega-mind, wants us to know he exists. Within this code,
it also proves that contraction must come before expansion. It also proves
that a cause can become an effect and an effect can become a cause. It
proves the two-directionality of time. It proves that the past is the future
and the future is the past. All this flys in the face of what Hubble did,
saying that there was a big bang and an expansion of the universe. His is a
theory but mine is a fact. A fact incontrovertable, as I call it. They
talked about these theories of mine on National Public Radio.



...well not really a quote...more like a paragraph

thanks again
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thanks, Jeff!
drooling for your mac port, it's all the rage right now...
(grin)

t.



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> > We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some
> > code which now allows us to select a 'stay on top' function.  Is it
> > worth asking Jeff to explore this too?
>
> Yes there are ways to make a window stay on top.  I'll add it
> to the list :-)
>
> Jeff
>
>


-- 
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work, Task Force

The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.

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thanks, Jeff!<div><br></div><div>drooling for your mac port, it&#39;s all the rage right now...&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>(grin)</div><div><br></div><div>t.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jeff Larson &lt;<a href="mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com">jeff.larson@sailpoint.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
&gt; We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some<br>
&gt; code which now allows us to select a &#39;stay on top&#39; function. &nbsp;Is it<br>
&gt; worth asking Jeff to explore this too?<br>
<br>
Yes there are ways to make a window stay on top. &nbsp;I&#39;ll add it<br>
to the list :-)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br><br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br>
<br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br>
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you could use two monitors, or a really big one (27" ought to do it).

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <
rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:

> > the Zooms. The device is intended for professional video work
> > (like the older r-4 and r-4 pro), and can record up to 192k
> > at 24 bit depth.
>
> It's always funny why people bother with 192kHz. Let's take the R-44 as an
> example: frequency response is specified as 20-40k (+0/-3dB), which
> typically comes down to about 20-27k (+0/-0.1) - so why do people even
> bother with 192kHz?
>
> > Subjectively, I am very pleased with the unit. I've been
>
> This is a statement that is imo much more valuable than the 192kHz...and
> I'll definitely consider the R-44 (although it's more than three times the
> price, about eight times the size and more than ten times the weight of the
> Zoom H2...)
>
>        Rainer
>
>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill &lt;<a href="mailto:rs@moinlabs.de">rs@moinlabs.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
&gt; the Zooms. The device is intended for professional video work<br>
&gt; (like the older r-4 and r-4 pro), and can record up to 192k<br>
&gt; at 24 bit depth.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s always funny why people bother with 192kHz. Let&#39;s take the R-44 as an<br>
example: frequency response is specified as 20-40k (+0/-3dB), which<br>
typically comes down to about 20-27k (+0/-0.1) - so why do people even<br>
bother with 192kHz?<br>
<br>
&gt; Subjectively, I am very pleased with the unit. I&#39;ve been<br>
<br>
This is a statement that is imo much more valuable than the 192kHz...and<br>
I&#39;ll definitely consider the R-44 (although it&#39;s more than three times the<br>
price, about eight times the size and more than ten times the weight of the<br>
Zoom H2...)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Rainer<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>

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ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. seriously.  
can it be done?

anyone on this list good at that sort of thing? 

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thanx for all the info, you guys out there.
after clicking and clicking for a day i hit my forhead and went DUH!
having mobius outside the bidule window solves half of my problem.
still keystrokes will only work with the mobius window being active.
most of my commands come from a selfmade 
joystick-controller-goes-midi-message-thingie, so it's no big deal to click 
into mobius onve in a while when i need it.
thanx per, for telling me the obvious...
and thanx jeff for adding this to the whish list.

best - tilmann


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> We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some
> code which now allows us to select a 'stay on top' function.  Is it
> worth asking Jeff to explore this too?

Yes there are ways to make a window stay on top.  I'll add it
to the list :-)

Jeff

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Zoe,

  Are you on the east coast? I could help..

-CZ

>ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. 
>seriously. can it be done?
>
>anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?


-- 
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Hell, I saw em off. It might not work anymore. But I'll saw the bitch  
in half.
On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:15 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:

> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010.  
> seriously. can it be done?
>
> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?

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Zoe,

I seem to remember some buzz a not too long ago on the FCB yahoo group
about a fellow doing just that.  If I recall, it wasn't trivial, but I
think he succeeded.  I'd recommend repeating your request to that
group and see what comes of it.  It might be worth digging through
their archives too.

Check out <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/> for the FCB1010 group.

Good luck,
Todd


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:15 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. seriously. can it
> be done?
>
> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?
>

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A little more info...

A quick look turned up the pedal removal project I remembered.  In
this case, the project removed the expression pedals and power supply,
converting the FCB to run solely on phantom power.  This may not be
what you want, but looking at my FCB, I notice the power supply is
right there under the pedals.  You'll have to do something with it and
I don't know if there's room elsewhere in the case to move it to.

In any case, the yahoo user id of the fellow who did this is
bobcharestmusic.  Sign up for the group and you should be able to
search for him and read the whole saga.  He also took photos of his
modification and uploaded a file called "FCB1010 Radical Mod.pdf" in
the files section.

Again, good luck.  It looks like you'll need it....or at least a
competent electrical wizard.

Todd


On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Zoe,
>
> I seem to remember some buzz a not too long ago on the FCB yahoo group
> about a fellow doing just that.  If I recall, it wasn't trivial, but I
> think he succeeded.  I'd recommend repeating your request to that
> group and see what comes of it.  It might be worth digging through
> their archives too.
>
> Check out <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/> for the FCB1010 group.
>
> Good luck,
> Todd
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:15 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. seriously. can it
>> be done?
>>
>> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?
>>
>

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I wonder what you think of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)

michael www.michaelpeters.de

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amazing info, thank you!


On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Todd Pafford wrote:

> A little more info...
>
> A quick look turned up the pedal removal project I remembered.  In
> this case, the project removed the expression pedals and power supply,
> converting the FCB to run solely on phantom power.  This may not be
> what you want, but looking at my FCB, I notice the power supply is
> right there under the pedals.  You'll have to do something with it and
> I don't know if there's room elsewhere in the case to move it to.
>
> In any case, the yahoo user id of the fellow who did this is
> bobcharestmusic.  Sign up for the group and you should be able to
> search for him and read the whole saga.  He also took photos of his
> modification and uploaded a file called "FCB1010 Radical Mod.pdf" in
> the files section.
>
> Again, good luck.  It looks like you'll need it....or at least a
> competent electrical wizard.
>
> Todd
>

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I was actually talking to a tech guy at Novation the other day. He  
was saying they have been working on a foot controller. Based on the  
quality of their stuff, you might want to wait until summer Namm at  
least.
On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:07 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:

> amazing info, thank you!
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Todd Pafford wrote:
>
>> A little more info...
>>
>> A quick look turned up the pedal removal project I remembered.  In
>> this case, the project removed the expression pedals and power  
>> supply,
>> converting the FCB to run solely on phantom power.  This may not be
>> what you want, but looking at my FCB, I notice the power supply is
>> right there under the pedals.  You'll have to do something with it  
>> and
>> I don't know if there's room elsewhere in the case to move it to.
>>
>> In any case, the yahoo user id of the fellow who did this is
>> bobcharestmusic.  Sign up for the group and you should be able to
>> search for him and read the whole saga.  He also took photos of his
>> modification and uploaded a file called "FCB1010 Radical Mod.pdf" in
>> the files section.
>>
>> Again, good luck.  It looks like you'll need it....or at least a
>> competent electrical wizard.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>

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didn't NAMM just happen last week?

i need something by september.

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> was saying they have been working on a foot controller. Based on  
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ack.
hate.
yahoo.
groups.

On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Todd Pafford wrote:

> A little more info...
>
> A quick look turned up the pedal removal project I remembered.  In
> this case, the project removed the expression pedals and power supply,
> converting the FCB to run solely on phantom power.  This may not be
> what you want, but looking at my FCB, I notice the power supply is
> right there under the pedals.  You'll have to do something with it and
> I don't know if there's room elsewhere in the case to move it to.
>
> In any case, the yahoo user id of the fellow who did this is
> bobcharestmusic.  Sign up for the group and you should be able to
> search for him and read the whole saga.  He also took photos of his
> modification and uploaded a file called "FCB1010 Radical Mod.pdf" in
> the files section.
>
> Again, good luck.  It looks like you'll need it....or at least a
> competent electrical wizard.
>
> Todd
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Zoe,
>>
>> I seem to remember some buzz a not too long ago on the FCB yahoo  
>> group
>> about a fellow doing just that.  If I recall, it wasn't trivial,  
>> but I
>> think he succeeded.  I'd recommend repeating your request to that
>> group and see what comes of it.  It might be worth digging through
>> their archives too.
>>
>> Check out <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/> for the  
>> FCB1010 group.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:15 PM, info at zoekeating  
>> <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>>> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010.  
>>> seriously. can it
>>> be done?
>>>
>>> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?
>>>
>>
>

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info at zoekeating wrote:
> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. seriously.  
> can it be done?
> 
> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?

I'll probably saw off one of the xpression pedals.  Yup, as others 
already stated, the PSU will go, but nada problemas (and who want's to 
route an ac,cable to a floor board anyways..) converting it to phantom 
power is easy; just google the wibblyweb for +FCB1010 +phantom .
It's a mere matter of connecting remote power to the MIDI socket, using 
a 7-pin MIDI cable instead of a 5 pin, AFAIR..

Don't worry about functionality; the controller will just not see the 
swells (one, in my case, one of the swells).


-- 
rgds,
van Sinn

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http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080628.html

The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts.  When <a 
href="http://soundscapes.us/bill" target="bill">I</a> am at the helm, expect
to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an
eclectic mix of other genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on
WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the <a 
href="rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm" 
target="wmuhweb">internet</a>.  I also host <a 
href="http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/index.html" 
target="afterglow">Afterglow</a>
every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am.

                Show #132                June 28, 2008.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
isses came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
http://sequencesmagazine.com


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
VA [Von Daniken]     Turtle Haze          Sequences No. 2
VA [Hardy Kukuk]     Atemnot              Sequences No. 2
VA [Brain Laughter]  In the Land of Power Sequences No. 2
Ron Boots            Boellistian          See Beyond Times, Look Beyond
                                            Words (Groove)
Craig Padilla        Alturas              Below the Mountain (Spotted
                                            Peccary)


Phase II/Eclectic:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
William Ackerman     Zuzu's Petals        Meditations (none)
Manu Delago and      Landing              Living Room (Sessionwork)
  Christoph Pepe Auer
Might Could          Dance of the         Wood Knot (none)
                       Woodfire
Jillian Goldin       Red July             Origins (none)


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Radio Massacre       Rain Falls In a      Rain Falls In a Different Way
  International        Different Way        (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Pluto                Rain Falls In a Different Way
  International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       Silicon Psychosis    Rain Falls In a Different Way
  International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       The Emissary         Rain Falls In a Different Way
  International                             (Northern Echo)
Radio Massacre       M.F. In the Sky      Rain Falls In a Different Way
  International                             (Northern Echo)


 * = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that
come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.

Bill
======================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00).
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
"Beyond the Barriers."
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Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the
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Here is my last update on the Little Mammoth, complete all of my live sound 
clips from BEMF3, and pictures of me playing it live.

Cheers,

Kris

http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm


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Kris,   again , congratulations on the design and aesthetics - its beautiful
!!  as is the playing !!

-Qua

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Here is my last update on the Little Mammoth, complete all of my live sound 
clips from BEMF3, and pictures of me playing it live.

Cheers,

Kris

http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm


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Very nice, Michael.


ted.


Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

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I wonder what you think of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)

michael www.michaelpeters.de


      
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<table cellspacing='0' cellpadding='0' border='0' ><tr><td valign='top' style='font: inherit;'>Very nice, Michael.<br><br><br>ted.<br><br><br>Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 6/28/08, Michael Peters <i>&lt;mp@mpeters.de&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Michael Peters &lt;mp@mpeters.de&gt;<br>Subject: 7-11 afloat<br>To: "Loopers Delight" &lt;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com&gt;<br>Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 9:32 AM<br><br><pre>I wonder what you think of this<br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4<br>a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)<br><br>michael www.michaelpeters.de</pre></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>

      
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Me too, but if that's where the discussion is, I'll swallow my pride
and put up with it.  How can such a big name in the internet industry
make stuff that sucks so much?  :/

T.

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:10 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> ack.
> hate.
> yahoo.
> groups.
>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Todd Pafford wrote:
>
>> A little more info...
>>
>> A quick look turned up the pedal removal project I remembered.  In
>> this case, the project removed the expression pedals and power supply,
>> converting the FCB to run solely on phantom power.  This may not be
>> what you want, but looking at my FCB, I notice the power supply is
>> right there under the pedals.  You'll have to do something with it and
>> I don't know if there's room elsewhere in the case to move it to.
>>
>> In any case, the yahoo user id of the fellow who did this is
>> bobcharestmusic.  Sign up for the group and you should be able to
>> search for him and read the whole saga.  He also took photos of his
>> modification and uploaded a file called "FCB1010 Radical Mod.pdf" in
>> the files section.
>>
>> Again, good luck.  It looks like you'll need it....or at least a
>> competent electrical wizard.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Zoe,
>>>
>>> I seem to remember some buzz a not too long ago on the FCB yahoo group
>>> about a fellow doing just that.  If I recall, it wasn't trivial, but I
>>> think he succeeded.  I'd recommend repeating your request to that
>>> group and see what comes of it.  It might be worth digging through
>>> their archives too.
>>>
>>> Check out <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/> for the FCB1010
>>> group.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Todd
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:15 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ok, i want to saw off the expression pedals on my FCB1010. seriously.
>>>> can it
>>>> be done?
>>>>
>>>> anyone on this list good at that sort of thing?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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At 1:42 AM -0400 6/29/08, Todd Pafford wrote:
>Me too, but if that's where the discussion is, I'll swallow my pride
>and put up with it.  How can such a big name in the internet industry
>make stuff that sucks so much?  :/

Well, I'd say they don't make stuff that sucks so much, because they 
don't make stuff.

Instead, they buy up other start-ups (in this instance, e-groups and 
onelist) in order to drive up their perceived value and hence their 
stock price.  Then, rather than build on those start-up's 
technologies and force innovation, they merely let them languish and 
go buy up more start-ups.  When things start to look like they can't 
build on them any more, the top guys just cash in their stock options 
and bail.

It's not about technological innovation, or even excellence in 
service.  It's about money and merely playing a big game to get ahead.

To be fair, large companies are almost forced to behave in this 
manner once they go public.  There's this huge chunk of fickle 
investors/shareholders who only buy and sell your public stock to 
line their own pockets.  If you can't sell them on the idea that 
you're going to make them money, they'll dump you like a hot potato 
and your stock value goes into the gutter; as well as any perceived 
market value and future sales.  These stockholders could give a d*** 
about whether you're actually making stuff that doesn't suck.  They 
only want you to make them cash.

Yahoo used to be the darling of the Internet, now it's Google. 
Pretty soon, Google should succumb to the same suckage factor and 
somebody else will take their place.  The wheel turns, the top dog 
gets chopped up and fed to the runts....

	--m.
-- 
_____
"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of 
murder... later"

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Uh, that's the definition of "investor": someone who gives you some money in
the expectation that you'll make them some more money.

TH

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

>
>
> To be fair, large companies are almost forced to behave in this manner once
> they go public.  There's this huge chunk of fickle investors/shareholders
> who only buy and sell your public stock to line their own pockets.  If you
> can't sell them on the idea that you're going to make them money, they'll
> dump you like a hot potato and your stock value goes into the gutter; as
> well as any perceived market value and future sales.  These stockholders
> could give a d*** about whether you're actually making stuff that doesn't
> suck.  They only want you to make them cash.
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Uh, that&#39;s the definition of &quot;investor&quot;: someone who gives you some money in the expectation that you&#39;ll make them some more money.<br><br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Mech &lt;<a href="mailto:mech@m3ch.net">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<br>
To be fair, large companies are almost forced to behave in this manner once they go public. &nbsp;There&#39;s this huge chunk of fickle investors/shareholders who only buy and sell your public stock to line their own pockets. &nbsp;If you can&#39;t sell them on the idea that you&#39;re going to make them money, they&#39;ll dump you like a hot potato and your stock value goes into the gutter; as well as any perceived market value and future sales. &nbsp;These stockholders could give a d*** about whether you&#39;re actually making stuff that doesn&#39;t suck. &nbsp;They only want you to make them cash.<br>

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At 12:01 AM -0700 6/29/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>Uh, that's the definition of "investor": someone who gives you some 
>money in the expectation that you'll make them some more money.

True, but there are investors and then there are investors.

There are more responsible investors who believe that supporting good 
companies that market good products will make them money in the long 
run.  And then there are the "quick buck" investors who only want to 
juggle numbers in the short-term (often even placing "put" options 
that your stock will go down, and then starting spurious rumors to 
try to make that stock fall a reality).

Also, the guys who push a company into the public arena (after all, 
there's no rule that says one *must* take a company public... ever) 
are often not much better, since they could be merely looking at the 
stock bump after the initial public offering as their excuse to make 
their own fortune.  Sometimes a company will enter the market, then 
crash and burn over the next year because the principals have bailed 
almost immediately after going public.

Regardless, it gets back to a game of manipulating numbers in a bank 
account, rather than creating good businesses.

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At 4:19 PM +0900 6/29/08, Mech wrote:
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>True, but there are investors and then there are investors.
>
>There are more responsible investors who believe that supporting 
>good companies that market good products will make them money in the 
>long run.  And then there are the "quick buck" investors who only 
>want to juggle numbers in the short-term (often even placing "put" 
>options that your stock will go down, and then starting spurious 
>rumors to try to make that stock fall a reality).

Oh, and I should also state that most investors vacillate somewhere 
between those two extremes at any given time.

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>From a business perspective, the only thing better than making money in the
long term is...making money in the short term!
People start businesses to make money.
People invest in businesses to make money.
You want "good practices", get involved with a foundation or charity...

TH

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> At 12:01 AM -0700 6/29/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>
>> Uh, that's the definition of "investor": someone who gives you some money
>> in the expectation that you'll make them some more money.
>>
>
> True, but there are investors and then there are investors.
>
> There are more responsible investors who believe that supporting good
> companies that market good products will make them money in the long run.
>  And then there are the "quick buck" investors who only want to juggle
> numbers in the short-term (often even placing "put" options that your stock
> will go down, and then starting spurious rumors to try to make that stock
> fall a reality).
>
> Also, the guys who push a company into the public arena (after all, there's
> no rule that says one *must* take a company public... ever) are often not
> much better, since they could be merely looking at the stock bump after the
> initial public offering as their excuse to make their own fortune.
>  Sometimes a company will enter the market, then crash and burn over the
> next year because the principals have bailed almost immediately after going
> public.
>
> Regardless, it gets back to a game of manipulating numbers in a bank
> account, rather than creating good businesses.
>
>
>
>

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>From a business perspective, the only thing better than making money in the long term is...making money in the short term!<br>People start businesses to make money.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>People invest in businesses to make money.&nbsp; <br>You want &quot;good practices&quot;, get involved with a foundation or charity...<br>
<br>TH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Mech &lt;<a href="mailto:mech@m3ch.net">mech@m3ch.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">At 12:01 AM -0700 6/29/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Uh, that&#39;s the definition of &quot;investor&quot;: someone who gives you some money in the expectation that you&#39;ll make them some more money.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
True, but there are investors and then there are investors.<br>
<br>
There are more responsible investors who believe that supporting good companies that market good products will make them money in the long run. &nbsp;And then there are the &quot;quick buck&quot; investors who only want to juggle numbers in the short-term (often even placing &quot;put&quot; options that your stock will go down, and then starting spurious rumors to try to make that stock fall a reality).<br>

<br>
Also, the guys who push a company into the public arena (after all, there&#39;s no rule that says one *must* take a company public... ever) are often not much better, since they could be merely looking at the stock bump after the initial public offering as their excuse to make their own fortune. &nbsp;Sometimes a company will enter the market, then crash and burn over the next year because the principals have bailed almost immediately after going public.<br>

<br>
Regardless, it gets back to a game of manipulating numbers in a bank account, rather than creating good businesses.<br>
<br>
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Funny ... I thought we were talking about Behringer ...LOL!

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:56 AM, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
> At 1:42 AM -0400 6/29/08, Todd Pafford wrote:
>>
>> Me too, but if that's where the discussion is, I'll swallow my pride
>> and put up with it.  How can such a big name in the internet industry
>> make stuff that sucks so much?  :/
>
> Well, I'd say they don't make stuff that sucks so much, because they don't
> make stuff.
>
> Instead, they buy up other start-ups (in this instance, e-groups and
> onelist) in order to drive up their perceived value and hence their stock
> price.  Then, rather than build on those start-up's technologies and force
> innovation, they merely let them languish and go buy up more start-ups.
>  When things start to look like they can't build on them any more, the top
> guys just cash in their stock options and bail.
>
> It's not about technological innovation, or even excellence in service.
>  It's about money and merely playing a big game to get ahead.
>
> To be fair, large companies are almost forced to behave in this manner once
> they go public.  There's this huge chunk of fickle investors/shareholders
> who only buy and sell your public stock to line their own pockets.  If you
> can't sell them on the idea that you're going to make them money, they'll
> dump you like a hot potato and your stock value goes into the gutter; as
> well as any perceived market value and future sales.  These stockholders
> could give a d*** about whether you're actually making stuff that doesn't
> suck.  They only want you to make them cash.
>
> Yahoo used to be the darling of the Internet, now it's Google. Pretty soon,
> Google should succumb to the same suckage factor and somebody else will take
> their place.  The wheel turns, the top dog gets chopped up and fed to the
> runts....
>
>        --m.
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> "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder...
> later"
>
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Yes, I keep hearing that about the Echo interfaces. But for live looping, preamps would be nice of course.
Concerning, MOTU, I have heard especially complaints about the old 828. I haven't heard complaints about the Motu Traveler or Motu Ultralite (any objections?).
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Hi Loopers (at least those of you looping in stereo ;-)

modern FX units (thankfully) offer the luxury of returning a stereo signal.
This is of course great for Ping-Ping-Delay etc.
Then again, when I'm adding several layers that I'm panning in the stereo mix, I have the impression that I can pan a mono signal better and that a stereo signal gets muddy in the mix (in terms of panning).

My conclusion at the moment is to:
- Use only mono FX returns on vocals
- Use stereo FX on harmonies etc

Does that make sense or is it just my imagination?

thanks
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In most cases where you pan a stereo signal (meaning if you receive the
stereo signal in a stereo channel of your console, and then pan it), =
what
you do by turning the balance ("pan") pot is attenuate either the left =
or
the right channel.
That means, if you compare that to the signal returned to two separate =
mono
tracks, it's always as if the pans of these two mono tracks are set hard
left and hard right. With the channel fader of the stereo track, you =
adjust
the "higher" fader of your two mono channels, with the balance pot, you
adjust how much the other fader is lower.

Basically that means that you can't pan a stereo channel.

Workaround: get a mixer with tons of mono channels. Return your fx to =
mono
channels, and then you can adjust center position, width and relative =
volume
of both channels.

	Rainer

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> Hi Loopers (at least those of you looping in stereo ;-)
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> modern FX units (thankfully) offer the luxury of returning a=20
> stereo signal.
> This is of course great for Ping-Ping-Delay etc.
> Then again, when I'm adding several layers that I'm panning=20
> in the stereo mix, I have the impression that I can pan a=20
> mono signal better and that a stereo signal gets muddy in the=20
> mix (in terms of panning).
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> My conclusion at the moment is to:
> - Use only mono FX returns on vocals
> - Use stereo FX on harmonies etc
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> Does that make sense or is it just my imagination?
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wonderful Michael!
cheers
Luis


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:

> From: Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
> Subject: 7-11 afloat
> To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 9:32 AM
> I wonder what you think of this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
> a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains
> some loops :-)
> 
> michael www.michaelpeters.de


      

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At 12:23 AM -0700 6/29/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
>
>People start businesses to make money.  
>People invest in businesses to make money.
>You want "good practices", get involved with a foundation or charity...

Ah, but it almost sounds as if you're making an assumption that what 
I call "good business" is tied to some sort of moral imperative. 
While I like the idea of a Socialist society on paper, I'm far too 
pragmatic to think that's going to become a reality anytime in my 
lifetime.  There are too many hardcore capitalists around to take 
advantage of any transitional instability, and then the whole house 
of cards goes down.

Rather, when I'm talking about "good business", I'm merely thinking 
about practices which are sustainable and can carry an organization 
for longer than, say, a couple of years.

Most of these people trying to manipulate the stock prices for their 
own gain are only concerned, as you say, with short-term gain. 
Sustainable (again, what I'm calling "good") business practices are 
not really their concern for the most part, since they merely wish to 
take money off the table and walk away.

Which is as good an argument as any for a business to stay private, 
and not open themselves up to a cadre of short-term profit seekers. 
There are some huge corporations which have done that, and remain 
successful.

>From a business perspective, the only thing better than making money 
>in the long term is...making money in the short term!

I'd still argue for a balanced portfolio.  Given particular 
circumstances, making money in the long term is good.  Under other 
circumstances, making it in the short term is good.  However, the 
philosophy of throwing away -- or perhaps more accurately "burning 
up" -- one model in favor of the other starts to give me the itchies 
down the back of my shirt.  I can't put a rational reason behind it, 
but the concept of businesses as nothing more than number-generating 
machines which deliver no viable product or service gives me 
indigestion.  I guess it would be less so if one can be shown to 
consume no resources while producing that null result, but I can't 
really imagine that being the case.

This whole concept of whether to encourage sustainable business 
practices -- I seem to recall that economists argue themselves silly 
over this whole concept too.  I think it gets down to the question 
of, "is capital finite?"  I forget who draws which lines where, but 
it gets down to whether there is a theoretical limit to the amount of 
capital available in the marketplace.  Encouraging short-term gains 
regardless of the cost is indicative of a "no limit" philosophy, 
IIRC, while building long-term enterprises leans more toward the 
"finite resources" camp.  I've read a little bit of Soros on the 
matter, but quite frankly I start to glaze over after somebody 
invokes the great god of the marketplace Adam Smith.  :P

(P.S. sorry if i'm coming across as a bit confrontational.  new job 
is throwing me through a bit of culture shock here, and leaving me a 
bit testy overall.  please don't take it personally.)

	--m.
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Hi,

Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
running "canned loops".

I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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Since it's an easy re-shoot, you could try at the very end panning the 
camera so the bag moves out of frame to show the contrast between pollution 
and clear water. You could also zoom out (keeping the bag out of the frame) 
if the locale is picturesque.

Brian


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>I wonder what you think of this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
> a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)
>
> michael www.michaelpeters.de
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> 

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I had the same thing. From what I gather, it was an issue with the OS  
version 10.4.10 I think. I have recently updated to the latest and  
does seem to have fixed the problem. However, my problem did get  
better when I turned off the airport. People seemed to think it wan  
an issue with the airport drivers. Not sure if this is the same issue  
you have.

On Jun 29, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
> Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
> running "canned loops".
>
> I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
> stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
> recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
> wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
> at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
> with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
> yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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My experience was not confined to live audio.  It still exists, and can be
reproduced by simply turning the airport on.  immediately dropouts occur in
all audio and CPU spikes simultaneously. This also occurs in Logic, so it's
not limited to Live.
There is a rollback to an earlier airport version to supposedly take care of
the problem, but I haven't gotten to doing that yet.

Very interested to hear more, Per.  I got my information on how to fix the
problem directly from Ableton simply through their support email, so if this
is NOT

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
> Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
> running "canned loops".
>
> I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
> stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
> recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
> wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
> at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
> with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
> yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>


-- 
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work, Task Force

The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.

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My experience was not confined to live audio. &nbsp;It still exists, and can be reproduced by simply turning the airport on. &nbsp;immediately dropouts occur in all audio and CPU spikes simultaneously. This also occurs in Logic, so it&#39;s not limited to Live.<div>
<br></div><div>There is a rollback to an earlier airport version to supposedly take care of the problem, but I haven&#39;t gotten to doing that yet.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Very interested to hear more, Per. &nbsp;I got my information on how to fix the problem directly from Ableton simply through their support email, so if this is NOT &nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in<br>
Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when<br>
running &quot;canned loops&quot;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I<br>
stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one<br>
recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all<br>
wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled<br>
at all when doing audio, so I&#39;m pretty sure this is a a bug either<br>
with Apple&#39;s MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7<br>
yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br><br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br>
<br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br>
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sorry, Per, if this NOT an airport issue, I hope you'll let us know what you
find out!
All Best,

Todd



On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
> Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
> running "canned loops".
>
> I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
> stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
> recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
> wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
> at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
> with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
> yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.
>
> --
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>
>


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work, Task Force

The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.

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sorry, Per, if this NOT an airport issue, I hope you&#39;ll let us know what you find out!<div><br></div><div>All Best,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Todd</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in<br>
Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when<br>
running &quot;canned loops&quot;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I<br>
stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one<br>
recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all<br>
wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled<br>
at all when doing audio, so I&#39;m pretty sure this is a a bug either<br>
with Apple&#39;s MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7<br>
yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br><br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br>
<br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br>
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hi per,

also live7 here but in win mode in a macbook (not pro) with no problems,
since i use it mainly for recording 4 tracks at a time capturing the guitar,
plex, and two mics, and all this with the audiofire2.

never a drop out, nearly 4 or 5 months of intensive use at nights, not
tested it in the osx side since i'm also using mobius in this recording
setups.

2008/6/29 Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>:

> I had the same thing. From what I gather, it was an issue with the OS
> version 10.4.10 I think. I have recently updated to the latest and does seem
> to have fixed the problem. However, my problem did get better when I turned
> off the airport. People seemed to think it wan an issue with the airport
> drivers. Not sure if this is the same issue you have.
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
>> Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
>> running "canned loops".
>>
>> I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
>> stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
>> recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
>> wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
>> at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
>> with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
>> yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
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hi per,<br><br>also live7 here but in win mode in a macbook (not pro) with no problems, since i use it mainly for recording 4 tracks at a time capturing the guitar, plex, and two mics, and all this with the audiofire2.<br>
<br>never a drop out, nearly 4 or 5 months of intensive use at nights, not tested it in the osx side since i&#39;m also using mobius in this recording setups.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/29 Chris Sewell &lt;<a href="mailto:lunamusic@mac.com">lunamusic@mac.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I had the same thing. From what I gather, it was an issue with the OS version 10.4.10 I think. I have recently updated to the latest and does seem to have fixed the problem. However, my problem did get better when I turned off the airport. People seemed to think it wan an issue with the airport drivers. Not sure if this is the same issue you have.<div>
<div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
On Jun 29, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Per Boysen wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in<br>
Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when<br>
running &quot;canned loops&quot;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I<br>
stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one<br>
recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all<br>
wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled<br>
at all when doing audio, so I&#39;m pretty sure this is a a bug either<br>
with Apple&#39;s MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7<br>
yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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so i'd suggest the feline OSX as source ...

2008/6/29 todd reynolds <toddreyn@gmail.com>:

> sorry, Per, if this NOT an airport issue, I hope you'll let us know what
> you find out!
> All Best,
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in
>> Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when
>> running "canned loops".
>>
>> I've had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I
>> stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one
>> recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all
>> wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled
>> at all when doing audio, so I'm pretty sure this is a a bug either
>> with Apple's MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7
>> yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his
> work, Task Force
>
> The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.
>
> http://blog.toddreynolds.com
>



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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
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so i&#39;d suggest the feline OSX as source ... &nbsp;  <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/6/29 todd reynolds &lt;<a href="mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com">toddreyn@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
sorry, Per, if this NOT an airport issue, I hope you&#39;ll let us know what you find out!<div><br></div><div>All Best,&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Todd</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="Ih2E3d">
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Per Boysen &lt;<a href="mailto:perboysen@gmail.com" target="_blank">perboysen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
Has anyone experienced the audio dropouts followed by a CPU spike in<br>
Live 7x? It happens when you have a live audio input, never when<br>
running &quot;canned loops&quot;.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ve had this issue ever since I upgraded Live to version 7, so I<br>
stopped using the software. Last time I asked on this list no one<br>
recognized the issue except for someone that suggested to turn of all<br>
wireless network functions. But I never have network functions enabled<br>
at all when doing audio, so I&#39;m pretty sure this is a a bug either<br>
with Apple&#39;s MacBook lappies or Live 7. I have not installed Live 7<br>
yet in Windows so my experience is limited to OS X.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Greetings from Sweden<br>
<br>
Per Boysen<br>
<a href="http://www.boysen.se" target="_blank">www.boysen.se</a> (Swedish)<br>
<a href="http://www.looproom.com" target="_blank">www.looproom.com</a> (international)<br>
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/perboysen" target="_blank">www.myspace.com/perboysen</a><br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br>-- <br>In LA June 15-July 7th collaborating with artist Steven Koplowitz on his work, Task Force<br><br>The Bang on a Can Institute follows in North Adams at MassMoCA.<br>

<br><a href="http://blog.toddreynolds.com" target="_blank">http://blog.toddreynolds.com</a><br>
</div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>The Playing Orchestra: <a href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo</a><br>Chain Tape Collective: <a href="http://www.ct-collective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href="http://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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I like as it is.

Anyway, maybe a footage of one or two hours would have been more exciting.

Two and a half would be too much ;-).

Cheers,
Ra=FCl.

2008/6/29 BC <compguy2@comcast.net>:

> Since it's an easy re-shoot, you could try at the very end panning the
> camera so the bag moves out of frame to show the contrast between polluti=
on
> and clear water. You could also zoom out (keeping the bag out of the fram=
e)
> if the locale is picturesque.
>
> Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" <mp@mpeters.de>
> To: "Loopers Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:32 PM
> Subject: 7-11 afloat
>
>
>
>  I wonder what you think of this
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX3I6w9Yfzt4
>> a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-=
)
>>
>> michael www.michaelpeters.de
>>
>>
>>
>


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I like as it is. <br><br>Anyway, maybe a footage of one or two hours would =
have been more exciting. <br><br>Two and a half would be too much ;-).<br><=
br>Cheers,<br>Ra=FCl.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2008/6/29 BC &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:compguy2@comcast.net">compguy2@comcast.net</a>&gt;:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Since it&#39;s an=
 easy re-shoot, you could try at the very end panning the camera so the bag=
 moves out of frame to show the contrast between pollution and clear water.=
 You could also zoom out (keeping the bag out of the frame) if the locale i=
s picturesque.<br>

<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;Michael Peters&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mp@mpeters.de" target=3D"_blank">mp@mpeters.de</a>&gt;<div class=
=3D"Ih2E3d"><br>
To: &quot;Loopers Delight&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loope=
rs-delight.com" target=3D"_blank">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>&g=
t;<br></div>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 12:32 PM<br>
Subject: 7-11 afloat<div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I wonder what you think of this<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX3I6w9Yfzt4" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX3I6w9Yfzt4</a><br>
a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)<b=
r>
<br>
michael <a href=3D"http://www.michaelpeters.de" target=3D"_blank">www.micha=
elpeters.de</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>The Playing=
 Orchestra: <a href=3D"http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo">http://www.telef=
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ollective.com">http://www.ct-collective.com</a><br>
TPO at myspace: <a href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra">http=
://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra</a><br>TPO at Jamendo: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.jamendo.com">http://www.jamendo.com</a>

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On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
> I wonder what you think of this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
> a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some  
> loops :-)



Hypnotic.
An odd combination of mesmerizing placidity and iconic environmental  
impairment.

BobC

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I love having a stereo PA, although many live sound engineers will point 
out that it makes for problems in many rooms where not everyone in the 
room will be able to hear both speakers well.  So half of your mix may 
be lost entirely to some members of the audience. 

The common wisdom is that if all your instruments in the mix are stereo, 
you often lose the sense of stereo altogether.  So - yes it makes 
perfect sense to pan a mono source in your stereo mix. I almost always 
prefer the guitar to be a mono signal centered or panned to one side 
because I like it to have a focus - like a guitar amp on a stage does...

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY

> Subject:
> Pan FX Returns in Loop Mix: Stereo/Mono?
> From:
> "Buzap Buzap" <buzap@gmx.net>
> Date:
> Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:17:19 +0200
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> Hi Loopers (at least those of you looping in stereo  ;-) 
>
> modern FX units (thankfully) offer the luxury of returning a stereo signal.
> This is of course great for Ping-Ping-Delay etc.
> Then again, when I'm adding several layers that I'm panning in the stereo mix, I have the impression that I can pan a mono signal better and that a stereo signal gets muddy in the mix (in terms of panning).
>
> My conclusion at the moment is to:
> - Use only mono FX returns on vocals
> - Use stereo FX on harmonies etc
>
> Does that make sense or is it just my imagination?
>
> thanks
> Buzap

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Abletons forum has been down for twelve hours now, so I have not been
able to check with the guys over ther. Anyway, I noticed (from posts
here) that I did not describe the issue properly so I'd like to add
that it only happens when playing live audio through Live 7.x.

It doesn't matter if Live's sequencer is running or not and it doesn't
matter if I'm looping in a plug-in or not. The bug hits when audio
from the input is running through the software to be played back from
an output.

I have been using Live since version three, in both OS X and Windows
XP, and I have not seen this bug until versio 7.0. When 7.0.2 had the
same bug I stopped using Live because I knew a new version was on the
way - but now when 7.0.2 is here and still stops every tenth second
there must be something wrong with it! We have had an OS X upgrade
during this time, so I guess it must be related to Live.

What happens is that every tenth second the audio just stops for a
second. It's just like unplugging the chord, but no "pop" or so. Just
a blank "nothing", followed by the CPU jumping up to 111 percent from
the usual 5 percent. (Screensaver, sleep mode, bluetooth and airport
all turned off).

I'll post this to Ableton's bug report area as soon as they get the
forum running again.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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I have never been keen on playing with a stereo signal, whatever
instrument I'm using. I'm finding it difficult to intonate if there is
just a little chorus on my sound. So I always use a fat and distinct
mono signal for the part of my sound that carries the pitch and the
crunch of the attack. But I do use a lot of stereo on other parts of
my sound, parts that are not crucial for my timing or intonation; like
for example a ping-pong panned tap delay effects going through a
high-pass filter to make the taps rise in pitch - i.e. not masking out
the melody sound. This is a very simple rule and it has been working
well for me in all sound design tasks both for mixing recordings and
playing live with guitar, flute, sax or electronic synth sounds. When
looping I'm even stretching this technique further in order to adapt
my sound to sound good after being looped rather than sounding good
right on the spot when I plug in and play one note (the typical
"newbie" take, doomed to fail ;-)

One trick to get "a huge sound", that may be easy to forget, is to not
only work with stereo but also with "depth". With "depth" I mean to
give parts of your sound characteristics similar to natural coloring
of sound coming from different distances. So for a less loud sound you
could roll off some bass and roll off some treble, just the way it
would sound if being heard from a distance. If you do that
consequently you can achieve a sort of 3-D feel.

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen

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this is very nice - soothingly minimal with a little twist. 
tilmann

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>I wonder what you think of this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I6w9Yfzt4
> a 2 minute lofi minimalist video - the soundtrack contains some loops :-)
> 
> michael www.michaelpeters.de
>

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That sounds completely different than my experience. I would get a  
pop or dropout once in a while. Not nearly as often.
On Jun 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Abletons forum has been down for twelve hours now, so I have not been
> able to check with the guys over ther. Anyway, I noticed (from posts
> here) that I did not describe the issue properly so I'd like to add
> that it only happens when playing live audio through Live 7.x.
>
> It doesn't matter if Live's sequencer is running or not and it doesn't
> matter if I'm looping in a plug-in or not. The bug hits when audio
> from the input is running through the software to be played back from
> an output.
>
> I have been using Live since version three, in both OS X and Windows
> XP, and I have not seen this bug until versio 7.0. When 7.0.2 had the
> same bug I stopped using Live because I knew a new version was on the
> way - but now when 7.0.2 is here and still stops every tenth second
> there must be something wrong with it! We have had an OS X upgrade
> during this time, so I guess it must be related to Live.
>
> What happens is that every tenth second the audio just stops for a
> second. It's just like unplugging the chord, but no "pop" or so. Just
> a blank "nothing", followed by the CPU jumping up to 111 percent from
> the usual 5 percent. (Screensaver, sleep mode, bluetooth and airport
> all turned off).
>
> I'll post this to Ableton's bug report area as soon as they get the
> forum running again.
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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wow! that's bad!

i've yet to go to 7 at all, just because everything works so perfect  
for me in 6. it seems like all my upgrades of everything this year  
have been cursed, so i'm holding back on Live 7.


On Jun 29, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Abletons forum has been down for twelve hours now, so I have not been
> able to check with the guys over ther. Anyway, I noticed (from posts
> here) that I did not describe the issue properly so I'd like to add
> that it only happens when playing live audio through Live 7.x.
>
> It doesn't matter if Live's sequencer is running or not and it doesn't
> matter if I'm looping in a plug-in or not. The bug hits when audio
> from the input is running through the software to be played back from
> an output.
>
> I have been using Live since version three, in both OS X and Windows
> XP, and I have not seen this bug until versio 7.0. When 7.0.2 had the
> same bug I stopped using Live because I knew a new version was on the
> way - but now when 7.0.2 is here and still stops every tenth second
> there must be something wrong with it! We have had an OS X upgrade
> during this time, so I guess it must be related to Live.
>
> What happens is that every tenth second the audio just stops for a
> second. It's just like unplugging the chord, but no "pop" or so. Just
> a blank "nothing", followed by the CPU jumping up to 111 percent from
> the usual 5 percent. (Screensaver, sleep mode, bluetooth and airport
> all turned off).
>
> I'll post this to Ableton's bug report area as soon as they get the
> forum running again.
>
> -- 
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>

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 Clement Ezeh Chambers.
23, Victoria Island way,
Ikoyi
Lagos -State
Nigeria.

Our ref. au/ret/45673/49
Your ref.................

Attn, Sir / Madam

  Re:  Next of kin to my late client Eng. Adams.

I am Barrister Clement Ezeh, a solicitor at law; I am the personal attorney
to late Eng.Adams, who used to work with shell - Development Company in
Nigeria. Hereinafter shall be referred to as my client. On April 25th 2005,
my client, his wife and three children were involved in a train accident in
Japan during their visit to Japan which all the families were dead. Here is
some news about the train accident:

Click on the web address:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042500187.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4480031.stm

  Since then I have made several enquiries to your embassy to locate any of
my client's extended relatives, but this has also proved unsuccessful. After
several attempts to locate a member of his family, hence I contacted you. I
am contacting you to assist me repatriating the money and properties left
behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable to
the bank here this huge deposit were lodge. Particularly, the bank where the
diseased had an account valued at [12.5million dollars] has issued me a
notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confiscated within the
next fourteen official working days.

Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relative for the past years,
now I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin to my late client.
Since you both have the same surname and you are capable of doing this
transaction. So that the proceeds of this account valued at [12.5miilion
dollars] can be paid to you, then you and I can share the money 60% for me
and 30% for you, while 5% will be used to offset all the expenses incurred
in the course of this transaction including tax and 5% for the poor in your
country. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up
our claims. All i require is your honest co-operation to enable us seeing
this transaction through. I guarantee that this will be executed under
legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.

Please get in touch with me by my email and send the following information
to me.

Your full name
Residential address
Phone and fax numbers to enable us discuss further about this transaction.

Looking forward to your prompt response.
Best regards to you and your family.

Thank you.
Barrister Clement Ezeh

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<div class="plainMail">Clement Ezeh Chambers.<br>23, <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1214811076_0" style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Victoria Island</span> way,<br>
Ikoyi<br>Lagos -State<br>Nigeria.<br><br>Our ref. au/ret/45673/49<br>Your ref.................<br><br>Attn, Sir / Madam<br><br>&nbsp; Re:&nbsp; Next of kin to my late client Eng. Adams. <br><br>I am Barrister Clement Ezeh, a solicitor at law; I am the personal attorney to late Eng.Adams, who used to work with shell - Development Company in Nigeria. Hereinafter shall be referred to as my client. On April 25th 2005, my client, his wife and three children were involved in a train accident in Japan during their visit to Japan which all the families were dead. Here is some news about the train accident:<br>
<br>Click on the web address:<br><br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042500187.html" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1214811076_1"><font color="#003399">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042500187.html</font></span></a><br>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4480031.stm" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1214811076_2"><font color="#003399">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4480031.stm</font></span></a><br>
<br>&nbsp; Since then I have made several enquiries to your embassy to locate any of my client&#39;s extended relatives, but this has also proved unsuccessful. After several attempts to locate a member of his family, hence I contacted you. I am contacting you to assist me repatriating the money and properties left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable to the bank here this huge deposit were lodge. Particularly, the bank where the diseased had an account valued at [12.5million dollars] has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confiscated within the next fourteen official working days. <br>
<br>Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relative for the past years, now I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin to my late client. Since you both have the same surname and you are capable of doing this transaction. So that the proceeds of this account valued at [12.5miilion dollars] can be paid to you, then you and I can share the money 60% for me and 30% for you, while 5% will be used to offset all the expenses incurred in the course of this transaction including tax and 5% for the poor in your country. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up our claims. All i require is your honest co-operation to enable us seeing this transaction through. I guarantee that this will be executed under legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law.<br>
<br>Please get in touch with me by my email and send the following information to me.<br><br>Your full name<br>Residential address<br>Phone and fax numbers to enable us discuss further about this transaction.<br><br>Looking forward to your prompt response. <br>
Best regards to you and your family.<br><br>Thank you.<br>Barrister Clement Ezeh<br><br>&nbsp;</div></div>

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Dit is een meerdelig bericht in de MIME-indeling.

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Hi Loopers

I've made a flash videoclip on this improvisation called "jonathan".
Simon(me): Acoustic-guitar with Echoplex and E-bow
Erna: Piano

http://www.projekt67.com/videos/jonathan.html

Simon,
www.projekt67.com

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Wow, that gets my vote for priority in the list of planned enhancements.

Hal Dean


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> We had this issue in SooperLooper too, but Jesse was able to add some
> code which now allows us to select a 'stay on top' function.  Is it
> worth asking Jeff to explore this too?

Yes there are ways to make a window stay on top.  I'll add it
to the list :-)

Jeff

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Very cool.  I love the visuals.  It goes very well with the music.  I  
checked out your other vids too.  Nice way to start off the week.

Thanks.

Chris

Chicago

On Jun 30, 2008, at 6:52 AM, projektGmail wrote:

> Hi Loopers
>
> I've made a flash videoclip on this improvisation called "jonathan".
> Simon(me): Acoustic-guitar with Echoplex and E-bow
> Erna: Piano
>
> http://www.projekt67.com/videos/jonathan.html
>
> Simon,
> www.projekt67.com
>


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@Per:
Yes, I agree. It's not only Panning, but also EQ and Volume.
In fact, ideally you perform like a mixing engineering who is mixing i.e. an 8 track tune.
Only challenge is that you have to think of the whole mix in advance! ;-)

I try to simplify that by i.e. using patches with different settings on the Zoom G2.1u effect pedal. It has 6-band EQ so that's very nice for this. Unfortunately, no pan & volume settings.
So I have to do that manually.
That's what I like about Ableton Live: you can tweak & "push back" every single loop one by one, even later.

@Rainer/Dan:
Now, this mono/stereo issue really bugs me.
Since I have to pan manually in real-time, turning 2 mono knobs is not practical.
So, I guess I have to go mono on vocal fx and stereo on harmonic fx - or go mono alltogether and skip the nice ping-pong-delay... 
Oh well

Buzap

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Quoting Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>:
>
> @Rainer/Dan:
> Now, this mono/stereo issue really bugs me.
> Since I have to pan manually in real-time, turning 2 mono knobs is   
> not practical.
> So, I guess I have to go mono on vocal fx and stereo on harmonic fx   
> - or go mono alltogether and skip the nice ping-pong-delay...
>
My approach to panning (since I use stereo loops) is to use mono  
source material and pan the send to the loop.

I've messed around with a Paia MS microphone as a sound source -- I  
just pan the sound by playing into the mic from the left, right or  
points in between (that is, if I'm playing an acoustic instrument, of  
course).  Or, one could use two mics and move between them.

-- Kevin

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> Per wrote:
> When
> looping I'm even stretching this technique further in order to adapt
> my sound to sound good after being looped rather than sounding good
> right on the spot when I plug in and play one note (the typical
> "newbie" take, doomed to fail ;-)

That's a good one, but I think you're right ;) All my sounds are pre-proc=
essed with EQ and FX. I currently only use volume, feedback, reverse, hal=
f speed etc, but no FX or EQ for post-processing and re-loop that. I coul=
d add a filter in "the loop of the loop" to emulate an analog delay, that=
 would be great. Dunno what exactly in terms of hardware, perhaps a Firew=
orx. TC are dumping them I think so you can buy them for 50% less than a =
year ago. We'll see.

Another problem for newbie loopers like me is that you have to get used t=
o think about a many things at the same time: playing, listen to the loop=
(s), deciding what to add next etc etc As a perfectionist, I should stop =
worry about the possibility that things can go wrong on stage! Things wil=
l go wrong, even if you try to keep things simple. Sometimes you end up w=
ith a situation where your loop is messed up, but my solution for that is=
 to call it "art" :) 

Sjaak
http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/=0A

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Sjaakk my friend you said it,in the world of looping things will always be uncertain no matter how you prepare!Just had a gig on saturday at a psychiatric clinic party for the patients(hows that for a gig) and my EDP was acting weird,my overdubs were fading although i have my EDP set up in safe mode and would rock my fcb1010 pedal to val 127 to make sure feedback was set to 100% prior to looping, but still my overdubbed loops kept fading away,as a solution i kept pressing the undo button ass i was looping and coming back to the very first one,and at times reaching for the feedback knob,isnt that fun?
but weather was beautiful and i was playing outside so i just went along and faded away;-)
yes lets call it art
or should we call it Jazz?
cheers
Luis


> etc etc As a perfectionist, I should stop worry about the
> possibility that things can go wrong on stage! Things will
> go wrong, even if you try to keep things simple. Sometimes
> you end up with a situation where your loop is messed up,
> but my solution for that is to call it "art" :)
> 
> Sjaak
> http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/


      

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Is this the wrong place to attempt to locate local loopers?...

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Dave <prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote:

> How's everything? Well, I hope...
>
> I'm trying to find some looper(s) to join me, a looping electronic drummer.
>
> Looking for some free-form-ish musicians to jam regularly, possibly setup
> gigs later. Someone that can count time and knows a little about chord
> progressions preferred. I'm into stuff like ProjeKct 3, The Hosemobile,
> Tuner, Gordian Knot, etc...kind of neo-fusion, dark, heavy, electronic
> instrumentation/effects, 3rd World Kinetic Sensual, New World Technocrat,
> always somewhat improvised...but "thinked". I have an electronic drum kit,
> an RC50 loop pedal, the place to jam, a small PA setup and minor (but
> decent) recording equipment. I am no Bill Bruford, nor anything close, but I
> know what I like and I wanna have some fun figurin' it out. Oh, you should
> also be somewhat party-able...
>
> I'm on the West side of Baltimore, outside the city line...Gwynn Oak, MD.
> Drop me a line.
>
> ciao!
> Dave
>
> --
> "The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the
> concerns of such creatures as we." - Carl Sagan, from "Cosmos"




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Is this the wrong place to attempt to locate local loopers?...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Dave &lt;<a href="mailto:prog.music.freak@gmail.com">prog.music.freak@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">How&#39;s everything? Well, I hope...<br><br>I&#39;m trying to find some looper(s) to join me, a looping electronic drummer.<br>
<br>Looking for some free-form-ish musicians to jam regularly, possibly
setup gigs later. Someone that can count time and knows a little about
chord progressions preferred. I&#39;m into stuff like ProjeKct 3, The
Hosemobile, Tuner, Gordian Knot, etc...kind of neo-fusion, dark, heavy, electronic
instrumentation/effects, 3rd World Kinetic Sensual, New World
Technocrat, always somewhat improvised...but &quot;thinked&quot;. I have an
electronic drum kit, an RC50 loop pedal, the place to jam, a small PA
setup and minor (but decent) recording equipment. I am no Bill Bruford,
nor anything close, but I know what I like and I wanna have some fun
figurin&#39; it out. Oh, you should also be somewhat party-able...<br><br>I&#39;m on the West side of Baltimore, outside the city line...Gwynn Oak, MD. Drop me a line.<br><br>ciao!<br>Dave<br><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>
&quot;The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the concerns of such creatures as we.&quot; - Carl Sagan, from &quot;Cosmos&quot;
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>&quot;The Universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent to the concerns of such creatures as we.&quot; - Carl Sagan, from &quot;Cosmos&quot;

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