From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 05:39:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86DE3C048; Thu, 1 May 2008 05:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:39:34 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first electronic score for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, echoes and weeeoooos that accentuated invisible monsters and robotic creatures in the 1956 science-fiction classic "Forbidden Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She was 82." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 06:01:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61CED3C050; Thu, 1 May 2008 06:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z39YB3Gv8DLmtzJx00V8+nHQorcbz4u3OQq0SfoI8kHM5ooroZ0wfOsiIDqkJsrvTBTxADn++rY/Umtntf8YMPc9jnIZQ/7FNmTMtiDUdwbLeKJb824eWzHc9asz9l2QMazNVu+uS6it7ElIFfuL2Jwv0H7vL14rBBLtMBmnO1s=; X-YMail-OSG: H7c6PlcVM1kINgjx.Ir03A0uMCUi53rAWVcvittc_qOGyBGbh.SICLYB89LzoIX06eeEP.Ox5HqyHEUqhP7h8HGf9dslgxbHys4AQxSxZcaaslQWaqh_tDKmoPA- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:01:55 +0000 (UTC) whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? > And, it's on youtube of course. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 06:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FFF63BFDB; Thu, 1 May 2008 06:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EHkVsKRFSmDGdbHH7e1tH75aw3T/TKGc8k7zfEW25CGg33SrqSqEvXXL5+7BvaOnioxk+74p3ZOW09HDeGck61dZOokmY2+0gJ4qLqQlD1h5UpKzwAisGSnXkNuiyW92z9ouST3sS4BRC7uOYMM/rK8dFeT3GWUY9r3o138jEP8=; X-YMail-OSG: 1l5bsF8VM1lqrRnlqW9BkqmB_yc0hFBmlf3kH8tcW_OAIUcat64T2gE4nj56mlbbCZvd3so0w3n9M9cubllQyo0dAm1SMO0YLqDm4zF5ux.Ah_S6N4ZLGbuGMo8- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: David Bowie guitarrist using looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720831FFCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <749901.12487.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ydOJB.A.DzC.ThWGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Carlos Alomar who played in most of my favorite Bowie albums used the beige Oberheim EDP as i recall in one of the guitar player magazines picture.Dont know if he still does,he had an amazing "Kuehlschrank"! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 07:24:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E80A3BF0E; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G8Rk3zDDmgor28tniWttyXGbbv7WxPLpXHYE38VGGx8PL+HU0cz3iVbmvhOpCzzyA6jy1cV1nV3KgXVy8Y2gS+ZXCVwugdo4oZf1o+g1Apd7QrtgheQPeytung4O7UIZuhvJExl8sUgoiwcwEHklNcSFygIZjWj59Yb2kfrmq3s=; X-YMail-OSG: 58T7ybQVM1n9nCV_s0.TfHPVRXy69IlXGRPtq2H8M.AyGfaqcFfnO08B37ZU6yJBhWwb2Y1lMkeLy5MDZAwk4c8SAVIY_cGjnUxYw3h3zcgs0QzgBS9yXdu2UfQ- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006501c8a628$d772d970$6a01a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:24:29 +0000 (UTC) talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 08:06:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFD173BF4F; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <010b01c8a766$ed596260$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <010b01c8a766$ed596260$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) (Adrian B.) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 04:06:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:38 +0000 (UTC) He definitely uses live looping. He used a DL4 on the last tour he did. he used to use an EH 16 second delay. he has and likes the Eventide Time Factor but doesn't use it for looping. I know because I helped him setup his pedal board. I'm gonna see him this weekend... I'll ask him more about it. Teddy On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Has anyone actually seen Adrian Belew use live looping on stage > during a live show? > So far noone has really attested to his live looper status. -- PS. http://myspace.com/mistershifty new live recordings -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty future shows May 7th at Lucille's Bar and Grill (B.B. King's NYC) featuring Chuck MacKinnon, 8pm - 1am May 8th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8381D3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.81.118] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 10:03:45.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4C36770:01C8AB72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:47 +0000 (UTC) --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ? tap backing ahoy! Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/= --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
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Subject: MIDI tap shoes
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Hi,
 
Im a professional tap dancer and i would really = love to give these shoes a go. Im also in a band and we are really interest= ed in incorporating tap into the rhythm section.
 
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Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger!= Get Started! = --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:44:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1671E3BF7E; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008c01c8ab78$5a6a4bc0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Bob Brozman Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 03:44:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Dennis wrote: "Actually, all those trance-inducement practices depend on their mutual abilities to trigger the appropriate brain-wave activity ,,,,,,,, ........... while the "manifestations" appear different (internal vs. external, mental vs. physical, etc.,) those can pretty easily be attributed to the culturally different "set" of the trance-induction situation itself. Musically, or should I say physio-psycho-acoustically, the same things are happening in all of the traditions. ............................... It all comes down to brainwaves. If you can train in on those, you can trigger it. After all, remember what the dormouse said ..." Feed your head, Feed your head. thanks for your insight, Dennis. I respect your knowledge on this subject but my own experience doesn't agree entirely with your conclusions (it's okay to agree to disagree, here, I think and I want to let you know that I respect your research and personal experiences) The only thing I can say is that after having done a tradtional Peyote sweat lodge ritual with completely non-syncopated rhythms and having watched a Haitian Vodun ceremony where people were 'possessed' by the Orishas after the famous 'crack in the universe' polyrhythmic breaks were played that disrupted the trance inducing polyrhythmic drumming of the three drummers, the quality of trance was vastly different in form and energy. I do believe that it's all down to brain rhythms and certain entrainments as you say, but I think there are lots of different mental states that can be achieved by different methods which may differ radically from each other, both in their triggers and in their manifestations. These all are 'altered states'. I am not, however, an expert, and I'd love to learn more about this subject. I"m only working from what I know and the intellectual paradigm that came from the the information theory garnered from studying with Gregory Bateson and, to a lesser extent, John Grinder. It's rather difficult to strap electrodes onto trance participants (unless someone has perveresely accomplished this without my knowledge---do you know more about this, Dennis?) so it would be difficult to really solve this dialectic from a Western scientific pardagimatic approach but I would be flabbergasted if the brain is doing the same to both sets of trancees in this case. What else can you add to this, Dennis? I"m curious to know more about the depth of your knowledge. respectfully Rick PS only one thing really bothers me about your post, I have to admit, though: why on earth did you stop drumming? It seems to be one of the very quickest way to get people to entrain that I know of. Last night I played with the Akron Family (and the DoDos) at an amazing gig where we just played the simplest rhythms in the world and the capacity crowd went ape shit crazy. There was definitely trance action happening. I was aware of it in my self..........in the musicians on the stage and definitely in the crazed dancing crowd by looking in their ectstatic faces. LOL.........................now we have to segue, of course, back to the tediious drummer joke thread that I inadverntently started (with apologies to the whole list). Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 11:06:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE29F3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=puTj7sUD5H0VqLZCN1YBg31bsyZEIzUpuL5S11UVbusYcWbhrMDOMvIFtOqaalQ7wkG6HbCGp907/ChQ6uOTPCsBcpMilEdkj4qOdjwTuVEHA/5zqu+oPrT2h8TU20bje6bjrcyqMZd7lZvBof7vzeGLHqxUA6awo+hMF6ri5L8=; X-YMail-OSG: KMxMf2QVM1keixMwF0nnZTXSZl5U5vLLpIp8NB0L.TltQWaUIKeY6nKHGrx0x01Q9eSL18mnHcRQQnH5Lwi9nvNNgZ6uatRf29lqUUUnIM3SLIUTV4A4XTQo3Oo- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 04:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) (Adrian B.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <637300.35055.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Teddy, great that you can set up a legends pedalboard!! is he using all those x-tra switches to control the timefactor or is he doing it via MIDI? can you share his current pedalboard? ive been messing with the TF lately what a great pedal! cheers Luis --- Teddy Kumpel wrote: > He definitely uses live looping. He used a DL4 on > the last tour he did. > he used to use an EH 16 second delay. > he has and likes the Eventide Time Factor but > doesn't use it for > looping. > I know because I helped him setup his pedal board. > > I'm gonna see him this weekend... I'll ask him more > about it. > > Teddy > > On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > Has anyone actually seen Adrian Belew use live > looping on stage > > during a live show? > > So far noone has really attested to his live > looper status. > > > > > > -- > PS. > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > new live recordings > -- > Teddy K and Mister Shifty future shows > May 7th at Lucille's Bar and Grill (B.B. King's NYC) > featuring Chuck > MacKinnon, 8pm - 1am > May 8th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A2F3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_" X-Originating-IP: [121.44.39.137] From: Brett Newton To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 12:56:52.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[D39DF480:01C8AB8A] Resent-Message-ID: <3ScBm.A.hnE.V4bGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha =20 im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly he= avily From: phillwilson@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?tap backing ahoy!= Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!=20 _________________________________________________________________ Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with Emai= l Australia. http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au= --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha
 
im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly he= avily


From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000
have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
tap backing a= hoy!
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000
 
Hi,
 
Im a professional tap dancer and i would really = love to give these shoes a go. Im also in a band and we are really interest= ed in incorporating tap into the rhythm section.
 
if you = could send me the instructions on how to wire them that would be so fucking= awsome
 
thanks........later 

Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavali= fe.

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Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's= first e-mail archive with = --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F2A3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GLitzt0RmD9wOc/RjpAd6cciYvm4N7K5XnfH8AvTGbQ=; b=lHmCeAv1bRee1ihGUz4P4pioYYiPyxEnqsPItFgZvefbTyyKcG60ni2YZNoLpbeW6iuEgTREDavas6qzu3PkW/h1RT7ULdJl6axiB9cWOzY+nGhz0IHkdEhbFBYklPOThEAIrBmA+HrfzBeRBP/7lEViY1vAm2zd+41E+GlLDZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MrPrPbE0OTabAkOlY5ubaFd5IBflhYdrMbfgMbGjBscIs0ukk93+TE0qmlNWd7ptMKnrAtGxUk8ip6CgQ1UQIcfRo+K4czl8sSDspCWcz5wVeXDhIbuNgIyUDhB0pokmj0O+JajZbzYICGBIdCJV7pBk/OtqoGV+seXCNQUk94s= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:26:47 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) In-Reply-To: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a ring modulator through a pitch pedal. Or he's doing some serious whammy bar dives. Tony On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:01 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? > > > > And, it's on youtube of course. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:35:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8391E3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:35:28 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) At 11:01 PM -0700 4/30/08, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > >whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? Sounds to me like the good 'ole Electro Harmonix Frequency Analyzer, but you could probably get that same effect out of almost any decent Ring Modulator/Amplification Modulator device (cf. Moog MF-102, Studio Electronics' Modmax Ringmod, or the Copilot FX Android and Antenna). --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBA03BF83; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.255.26] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 13:48:12.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF8D7F50:01C8AB91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thats awsome, care to share your bands name so we can get the score cards o= ut ;) =20 course if u have looping too thats an extra 20% over TATW right off the bat =20 Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000 yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we wil= l be featuring the tap fairly heavily From: phillwilson@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?tap backing ahoy!= Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!=20 Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail = archive with=20 _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/= --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thats awsome, care to share your bands name so we can get the score cards o= ut ;)
 
course if u have looping too thats an extra 20% over TATW right off the bat=
 
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000
yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha
 
im currently involved in TAP D= OGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly heavily


From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000
have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
tap backing a= hoy!
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000
 
Hi,
 
Im a professional tap dancer and i would really = love to give these shoes a go. Im also in a band and we are really interest= ed in incorporating tap into the rhythm section.
 
if you = could send me the instructions on how to wire them that would be so fucking= awsome
 
thanks........later 

Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavali= fe.

Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started! <= /BLOCKQUOTE>
Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive= with

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Get Started! = --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A310B3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:15:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e5d268173ee39923f3c923a617e65103cfefb050a69a1c42350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) The link is broken... can someone repost it? > > > >> > And, it's on youtube of course. >> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BAF33BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ch3LhGQpORu3JJ/lzcAEmhSHHoCrjrA4Rr0GIXLheJc=; b=iJv4c40fF6APgDUnpFJox+u6mRtZHbpXqkS6v0Q+lz/IGIqYMozIcdhcZgxV5R/XjCvvTtCYlObFLt1orGDsvFsWl6yO43yMWrSzKZqeY56WMlwZ/FJg/gHYiJ3VdgCB89Pt4F0FbWQmpo2CG3joh/SPmH5qtlSxCIijfmoZSqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VEDOvGkoQvU3pK/DRWN6PktlYEnoCqGocMwFkXouFRev4l8Mk3znUt9FtNuNGscoxZDhdgaXSspGSXUB+NUy10+JEgkB3pnavn2DZbLha90BZvguMjldTVLdCQfZQF6La4nwPxz+mYg4j7YKalZSJ9pWQ9NNM4p73ExW9O9NKZk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:19:25 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo somehow it got a * stuck on the end. Tony On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > The link is broken... can someone repost it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, it's on youtube of course. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:21:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2263BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 5635666/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.202.117 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.202.117 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIBADNuGUhPSsp1/2dsb2JhbAAIpwuFT4I+ Message-ID: <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:21:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo Charles Zwicky wrote: > The link is broken... can someone repost it? >> >> > >>> > And, it's on youtube of course. >>> > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >>> >>> >>> >>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >>> >>> >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:34:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C892B3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:33:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e5d268173ee399234e0565233105b4799627266682930196350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link.. It's most certainly a ring modulator with a pedal controllng the carrier frequency. My guess is that it is an Electro-Harmonix "Frequency analyzer" controlled by an Electro-Harmonix "Hot Foot" http://www.tonefrenzy.com/store/Electro_Harmonix_HOT_FOOT.html >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo > > > >Charles Zwicky wrote: >>The link is broken... can someone repost it? >>> >>> > >>>> > And, it's on youtube of course. >>>> > >>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:26:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4523BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.204] From: samba - To: Subject: OT Bob Brozman,drums Turks Truk trance Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:26:16 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080501100348.6914E3BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080501100348.6914E3BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 15:26:16.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2AE5B60:01C8AB9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some reason my previous post didn't show up. I consider European milit= ary marches to be a form of trance drumming, that most definately creates e= ntrainment. These bands,esp the drums and cymbals were copied from the Turk= ish Jannisery bands. The Turks were of course,colonizers. The parts of Eur= poe that were once under their rule,have much more rhytmically complex musi= c than the other parts.=20 Working with the formula 'Low notes entrance,high notes excite' ,the bass= drums create one effect,which is connected to the feet going down,and the= busier high snare drums are pulling the knees up. left right exactly sync= ed. They used to use that stuff to psych people for fighting.Years ago I p= layed a gig with an African dance troupe as part of the Festival of the Pac= ific,which happens every year.Also on the bill was a group from Truk Island= . The island was occupied by US military in WWII ( after taking it from the= Japanese) They did one dance that was an imitation of soldiers marching,50= years later the frozen hips, rigidness, locked chin ,seriousness etc still= totally cracked them up. Esp the Frozen Hips posture.Showed me alot about = cultural differences.I don't think anyone on the planet besides Caucasion W= . European,and N Americans have that frozen hip thing?=20 The was a world wide Military music fad inthe late 19th century,a Gazebo o= r bandstand in every town square ,throughout all the colonies.=20 When African Americans in New Orleans got their hands on military instrume= nts,they took those square, military marches,and started adding the offbeat= s -the ands and ifs that move the hips. When they took all the drums and = cymbals,and put 'em together into a contraption one person could play,we go= t the trapset,jazz blues rock and roll RnB Funk soul etc. Similar process i= n brazil gave us Samba ,Maracatu,Bossa Nova Pagode. In W. Africa ,High Lif= e which led to all sorts of later styles. There are Horn bands all over the= world. In Triniad the oil drums from the US Navy base became orchestral instrument= s =20 Northern shamanic continuum trance drumming styles are often intended to = put the Player in a trance-and if it's truly Shamanic-for that person to go= to the other workd ,and bring something back for healing.A lot of new ager= s think that just going into a trance state is shamanic,but this intent of = navigating in the other world to bring something back is what it means in t= he Turkic languages where the word originates. The term entered the west t= hrough the work of Mircea ELiade with Yakut /Samoy shamans of E Siberia. In= terestingly the roots of the word Bongo ( ngoma is drum in Bantu languages)= ,and Fungus ,are the same-both are used to induce altered states. The fami= liar Native American powwow big drum with several players on the same heav= y down beat is for social dances,which also involves entrainment. Both thi= s and the shamanic styles involve all low notes ,no sharp high accents. The= deep trance stuff which also use drums, take place in Sweat Lodges,Vision = Q,uest Peyote Ceremoniess and Sundance ,the latter involves extremely alter= ed states inducing endorphin highs by intense pain-they put skewers through= their skin,with which they drag heavy weights,and suspend themselves. For = days African Diaspora drumming styles are mostly used to induce trance in the= dancers,and not the drummers. In some traditions the drummers take specif= ic precautions to avoid trancing out. These styles combine low and high no= tes in ways that create complex psycho-acoustic effects,one of which is to = knock peoples spirits out of their bodies so others spirits-ancestors ,oris= has loas,can come in. They dpon't go to the other world for spirit connecti= on,they invite the spirits to come into this ine,in their bodies. Essential= ly they dance with their Gods This effect seems to come from that combinati= on of low notes entrancing ,and high notes exciting. The combination of ele= ments working in differnet directions is also characteristic of African sty= les CK Ladzepko says the tension between 3s and 4s in the same piece teache= s people how to work with tension ,resistance,and adversity. I've seen a dr= ummer watching a dancer carefully then suddenly hit a high sharp phrase,and= the Dancer goes - out,eyes roll back,body language changes drastically.=20 So far I haven't really found examples of music traditions that don't s= how influneces from contacts w. 'other cultures'. The influences go in all = directions-not both directions,it's never that simple. _________________________________________________________________ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in= the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=3Dword_slugger_wlhm_admod_april= 08= --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  For some reason my previous post didn't show up. I consider European = military marches to be a form of trance drumming, that most definately crea= tes entrainment. These bands,esp the drums and cymbals were copied from the= Turkish Jannisery bands. The Turks were  of course,colonizers. The pa= rts of Eurpoe that were once under their rule,have much more rhytmically co= mplex music than the other parts.
  Working with the formula 'Low = notes entrance,high notes excite' ,the bass drums  create one effect,w= hich is connected to the feet going down,and the busier high snare drums ar= e pulling the knees up.  left right exactly synced. They used to use&n= bsp; that stuff to psych people for fighting.Years ago I played a gig with = an African dance troupe as part of the Festival of the Pacific,which happen= s every year.Also on the bill was a group from Truk Island. The island was = occupied by US military in WWII ( after taking it from the Japanese) They d= id one dance that was an imitation of soldiers marching,50 years later the = frozen hips, rigidness, locked chin ,seriousness etc still totally cracked = them up. Esp the Frozen Hips posture.Showed me alot about cultural differen= ces.I don't think anyone on the planet besides Caucasion W. European,and N = Americans  have that frozen hip thing?
 The was a world wide = Military music fad inthe late 19th century,a Gazebo or bandstand in every t= own square ,throughout all the colonies.
When African Americans  i= n New Orleans got their hands on military instruments,they took those squar= e, military marches,and started adding the offbeats -the  ands and ifs= that move the hips.  When they took all the drums and cymbals,and put= 'em together into a contraption one person could play,we got the trapset,j= azz blues rock and roll RnB Funk soul etc. Similar process in brazil gave u= s Samba ,Maracatu,Bossa Nova Pagode.  In W. Africa ,High Life which le= d to all sorts of later styles. There are Horn bands all over the world.In Triniad the oil drums from the US Navy base became orchestral instrumen= ts
 
  Northern shamanic continuum trance drumming styles a= re often intended to put the Player in a trance-and if it's truly Shamanic-= for that person to go to the other workd ,and bring something back for heal= ing.A lot of new agers think that just going into a trance state is shamani= c,but this intent of navigating in the other world to bring something back = is what it means in the Turkic languages where the word originates.  T= he term entered the west through the work of Mircea ELiade with Yakut /Samo= y shamans of E Siberia. Interestingly the roots of the word Bongo ( ngoma i= s drum in Bantu languages) ,and Fungus ,are the same-both are used to induc= e altered states. The familiar Native American  powwow big drum with s= everal players on the same heavy down beat is for social dances,which also = involves entrainment.  Both this and the shamanic styles involve all l= ow notes ,no sharp high accents. The deep trance stuff which also use drums= , take place in Sweat Lodges,Vision Q,uest Peyote Ceremoniess and Sundance = ,the latter involves extremely altered states inducing endorphin highs by i= ntense pain-they put skewers through their skin,with which they drag heavy = weights,and suspend themselves. For days
   African Diaspora d= rumming styles are mostly used to induce trance in the dancers,and not the = drummers. In some traditions  the drummers take specific precautions t= o avoid trancing out.  These styles combine low and high notes in ways= that create complex psycho-acoustic effects,one of which is to knock peopl= es spirits out of their bodies so others spirits-ancestors ,orishas loas,ca= n come in. They dpon't go to the other world for spirit connection,they inv= ite the spirits to come into this ine,in their bodies. Essentially they dan= ce with their Gods This effect seems to come from that combination of low n= otes entrancing ,and high notes exciting. The combination of elements worki= ng in differnet directions is also characteristic of African styles CK Ladz= epko says the tension between 3s and 4s in the same piece teaches people ho= w to work with tension ,resistance,and adversity. I've seen a drummer watch= ing a dancer carefully then suddenly hit a high sharp phrase,and the Dancer= goes - out,eyes roll back,body language changes drastically.
 &nb= sp; So far I haven't really found  examples of music traditions that d= on't show influneces from contacts w. 'other cultures'. The influences go i= n all directions-not both directions,it's never that simple.













Spell a grand slam in = this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. = --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:34:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01013BF8B; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=pTfNmvDvkEeZ8IQ3dy2rombacppkNopajl+GbzIs5A4=; b=WAdVrgpICorwMqCJfhY+RdkgoMW29KjZyKu2/6ujrDyjNrOt5vw3Oop9PSuSM7/EDRKx12bvV5nT/5vkMOCdDBDqyg4Twd+uMvQf+zp0vNGVqTReh/o0O3KESfnZLfzNaA8HY++wl1CoOLKceHdcRR++4HCO4ysiFTj/su9kDyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MsK0h7fXB/VgDKVj+AMLUySuFEbVenwe9EGOoJ14972LhB61Wnr+/KLD2vM3c8IEK3ddePSryiXuSSSITnv0MGgxEd8yfaVoIglGdLPz7jV8uLHEYyH1WuZ3GoXw4NEX4Gu6tPQkuGQftKd7Ag84mwo7n04/wBD3dBtoPxHf5wU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:34:23 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Massive Topic Drift - Delete as Needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Rick, No disrespect taken ... it's a HUGE subject and we are all but proverbial blind men describing the proverbial elephant. So I dive in ... On 5/1/08, Rick Walker wrote: > thanks for your insight, Dennis. > I respect your knowledge on this subject but my own experience doesn't > agree entirely with your conclusions (it's okay to agree to disagree, here, I > think and I want to let you know that I respect your research and personal > experiences) > > The only thing I can say is that after having done a tradtional Peyote > sweat lodge ritual with completely non-syncopated rhythms > and having watched a Haitian Vodun ceremony where people were > 'possessed' by the Orishas after the famous 'crack in the universe' > polyrhythmic breaks were played that disrupted the trance inducing > polyrhythmic drumming of the three drummers, the quality of > trance was vastly different in form and energy. Actually, this is exactly my point (reread carefully what I said about cultural "set" differences accounting for the vary differences you point out). The research I wsa readign at the time was pretty clear that it wasn't syncopation or lack of syncopation that was instrumental in induction; rather it was the appropriate inclusion of the right audio frequency (just the right touch of those bass notes) and the "speed" with which those sounds were produced (non-synopated works fine you're hitting the drumhead fast/slow enough, or syncopated works so long as that same rhythm is included in the overall picture). And let's not forget that acoustic trance induction can also be enhanced through any number of psycotropic and entheogens, depending (again) on your cultural perspectives on the use of such things. Shoot, you can even do it by suggestion (we call that hypnosis in the West). > I do believe that it's all down to brain rhythms and certain entrainments > as you say, but I think there are lots of different mental states > that can be achieved by different methods which may differ radically from > each other, both in their triggers and in their manifestations. > These all are 'altered states'. Yep. That was what got me looking into it initially. The whole question of what are "altered states". And how does culture structure and determine the content of those altered states, as well as what are the appropriate social responses to them and the participants. Which of these experiences is likely to incur less social opprobium: 1. Getting really drunk in public and watching a sports event 2. Getting really wasted on ('shrooms, blotter, weed, etc) inpublic and watching a sports event Social control of ecstatic states? Sure, you betcha! > I am not, however, an expert, and I'd love to learn more about this > subject. I"m only working from what I know and the intellectual paradigm > that came from the the information theory garnered from studying with > Gregory Bateson and, to a lesser extent, John Grinder. Bateson was looking at this from a more psychological bent and the perspective of how shamanic healing practices might impact on psychotherapy. Don't know how much of that to attribute to his being married to Margaret Mead for all those years ... The whole area of trance and psychotheray were big topics when in the late 60's and 70's (well, like DUH!) and more than a few of us studying anthropology got sucked into studying this and related fields. (I was looking at ethnobotany, religious history, musicology, psychotherapy ... all from the point of view of an anthro student who was a musician who grew up in an almost-Fundamentalist household with more than a little exposure to glossalalia and , er, uhm, could address altered states from first person observer perspective.) One of the early observations was that some epileptics were subject to seizures when exposed to certain frequencies and rhythm combinations. This led to more research into the effcts of acoustic on brain states (which, of course, led to the researching trance induction in non-epileptics). > It's rather difficult to strap electrodes onto trance participants > (unless someone has perveresely accomplished this without my knowledge---> do you know more about this, Dennis?) > so it would be difficult to really solve this dialectic from a Western > scientific pardagimatic approach > but I would be flabbergasted if the brain is doing the same to both sets of > trancees in this case. Not as hard as you'd think, dependingon your definiton of trance. Most of THAT work has been done in the areas of sleep studies (dream states, esp.)and meditation. The subjects in those studies are a little more malleable, vis-a-vis attaching electrodes, and it has yielded a fair bit of literature. Ditto with the research on hypnotic states, which are a bit more analogous to the brain states that we percieve as "trance"-like. I seem to remember some studies in the 70's that used controlled reproduction of audio triggers on subject who WERE hooked up, in order to develop some of the baseline measurements as to what could be used to trigger things. And I recall that there were also some alpha wave behaviors, not just the theta wave ones, that were an important part of the behavior. > What else can you add to this, Dennis? I"m curious to know more about the > depth of your knowledge. It's been over 30 years since I looked deeply at the literature and I'm not certain where my own notes are now. One thing that struck me at the end of the roughly 4 years of researching this was that the cultural value of the altered state experience varied wildly across the world; that the brain was doing pretty much the same things, but we interpeted it in radically different manners. And THAT was something that was pretty much expected, given the history of religious experience, cross-culturally. I don't talk it about it much because it is difficult for many folks to talk rationally about religious experience as being an irrational, but natural phenomena. There has been a sudden outburst of research into the physiological (brain) basis of religious experience and its' development into "religion", so I do have hope that these things will become easier to discuss outside of academic circles. > respectfully Rick > > PS only one thing really bothers me about your post, I have to admit, > though: > why on earth did you stop drumming? > It seems to be one of the very quickest way to get people to entrain that I > know of. Uh, yeah. Actually that's pretty much the root of it right there. I'm ethically opposed to any form of entrainment without informed consent. Does it happen? All the time. But I make no claims to being responsible for it and I don't go out of my way to talk it about it (except inthe context of my own personal experiences, when asked). And actually, you can creat a self-hypnotic suggestion that will the trick even more quickly. And then there is the whole field of Neuro-linguistic Programming ... can you say "Speed Seduction"? sure you can ... > Last night I played with the Akron Family (and the DoDos) at an amazing gig > where > we just played the simplest rhythms in the world and the capacity crowd > went ape shit crazy. > There was definitely trance action happening. I was aware of it in my > self..........in the musicians > on the stage and definitely in the crazed dancing crowd by looking in their > ectstatic faces. Living in times when the propaganda machiens have been running non-stop for years, I am constantly reminded that "Fame is but the breath of the masses, and that oft unwholesome." There is tremendous power over others in the sounds we create and share. Consider the marching band at a high-school or college football game. Or, better still, a military marching band (ever wonder why they call it a "fight song"?). One of the problems with inducing altered states is in their control; ours is not a culture (in the West) that understands, appreciates, or encourages the arbitrary seeking out of visions by individuals. We have several thousand years of developing social control mechanisms to deal with truth-seekers, etc., and most of them have been negative (unfortunately). There are as many different altered states and visions as there are human beings ... but which one is "True"? Dennis "what was that middle part?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C37F3BF8B; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 27890268 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: belew boxes (was BOWIE guitarists (looping)) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72084368DB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: belew boxes (was BOWIE guitarists (looping)) Thread-Index: Aciroa1jkppxPJwKS0C1qaMLnNUf5g== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 15:40:27.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADBA2100:01C8ABA1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <09ieo.A.-x.tReGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwMI9y1QRMQo<< I was there that night. walked out after 40 minutes, couldn't stand the noise they were making or the queue for the bar. dreadful show.=20 I'm sure the band were great, but it was a dreadful show. "construKCtion of light" tour, wasn't it? the noise could be achieved using a digitech whammy & one of those godawful mxr blue box things, I think. (cue blue box/j mascis story) I was working in the mtv live performance studio back in early 1993 when dinosaur jr came in....=20 at this time, everything mascis used was in purple flight-cases. he was using marshall 50W plexis, three of them, & his favourite selection of jags, jazzmasters & a tele I think.=20 some of the effects were in an upright cabinet within locked drawers, but the main body of them were arrayed on a large piece of perspex shaped like an artist's paint-pallette & which had it's own enormous-but-slim purple flight case. during the tech-check, his guitar tech tried the blue box & made a face. I fetched him a new battery for it, but it sounded exactly the same. we left it how it was, thinking maybe mascis had had the thing modded. during the set, mascis engaged the pedal for about half a bar, made the same face as the tech & switched it off again. much much later, I bought one after seeing john (pj harvey) parrish use one on a bass- it seemed to fuzz the bass up quite musically.=20 I think I used it for about half a bar..... :-) duncan. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the=20 intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and=20 any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is=20 prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:26:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3435D3BF73; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 16:26:00 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ev4M7oWSQhnzCzj/yG5pbLu3InIV+apW6B3x6D5om3ch7I5PYCFnxbRFDatlnvKMWLdKqR0F92+/e1qz8vuIThqoMbQ8MPWWOlpl90l9UU7kzltJ3PVOqBlCQEk5CWZk/K8PpUFv9ABd+S29DWed0QU8Tdb46S78KYtQH1Hu9AQ=; X-YMail-OSG: .i2c.1IVM1nxmEbR4KSoFmYsAT2_I1DE4Noo6oDI.fd6GLUUAW3xqbI_t4XLM2.BG7VpRr0PVsItaPYMQvBp3oe4Guzb88NNY5jchiPdf_EZ9cOkdHWbPgyQFic- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: RE: Musician Jokes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <380-2200854195857881@M2W038.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444438.11405.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6rxlwD.A.SyB.Z8eGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:26:01 +0000 (UTC) What do loopers use as birth control? Their personalities. :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D643BF0D; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 607 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 16:30:05 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Message-ID:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=pHNsPe4S0Gv3NF4sdFlOLBa34NfGcXGEV6HghQLo8LsyTX6/eqvDkZegT94yoGX09gkK43h0WVLPeaRf8Dp/0Nxli7Erv9AL+hfFwNM8ZtVpQt3Ur2g1q6ngU2kVzGWH87uZ9A+fncc0nTYN9veuJYfJGv6dv7z00+yIPa1Ptu8= ; X-YMail-OSG: XLwPPKIVM1kyd62nune_FjlH5pbT7gP.1i.yZp0Se9X3ahzRj5LLoEXLX_MkDqIAxgv36W2GTzJRvf._4a8K3Amv1mGnedwQCUnlg0MigTvq9V3wTSKNuU26iCoJNz8cUbB536s7PxXKMrHU6BZxt2f8 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1093274820 Message-ID:<1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electric Kalimba gig spam From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I've been a member of L.D. for approx 8 months with this being my 1st post. I find it to be highly informative and fascinating as to what's going on in the Looping community worldwide!! ** My instrument of choice is Electric Kalimba/w effects and Live Looping. I will be performing tomm. May 2nd, 7pm (eastern time) with several other National acts at the City Skies Electronic Music Festival which will be Broadcast Live at StillStream.com. Please tune in. Don't miss it !! Kevin "KalimbaMan" Spears. Myspace.com/KevinSpears Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:58:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D503BF70; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: "looper's delight list" In-Reply-To: <1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Subject: New sounds posted Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:57:47 -0400 References: <1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) New live gigs posted on myspace page Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F31643BF72; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 331 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 17:12:46 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=KrVvlNOFNYEvwvquWkQA:9 a=KmCYjKmItlnDJe01zYoA:7 a=C08R7NGVGtBhSqgCXaf_baF5uXEA:4 a=ESEIaOzqGKcA:10 In-Reply-To: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> References: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:07:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I LOVE that movie!! I was just reading on Wikipedia and didn't know about Barron's story with the AFM. Incredible that the AFM has been up to the same protectionist strategies for over 50 years. I'm a former member and after reading this I despise them even more, which is a lot. ACK! From Wikipedia.... "The soundtrack for Forbidden Planet (1956) is today recognized as the first entirely electronic score for a film. Eerie and sinister, the soundtrack was unlike anything that audiences had heard before. Music historians have often noted how groundbreaking the soundtrack was in the development of electronic music. ...Not everyone was happy with the score. Louis and Bebe did not belong to the Musicians' Union. The original screen credit for the film, which was supposed to read "Electronic Music by Louis and Bebe Barron", was changed at the last moment by a contract lawyer from the American Federation of Musicians. In order to not upset the union, the association with the word music had to be removed. The Barrons were credited with "Electronic Tonalities". Because of their non- membership in the union, the film was not considered for an Oscar in the soundtrack, or special effects category. ...The Musicians Union forced MGM to title the Forbidden Planet score "electronic tonalities", not "music". And seeing the handwriting on the wall, used that excuse to deny them membership in the 1950s; the union's primary concern was losing jobs for performers rather than the medium itself. As a result, the Barrons never scored another film for Hollywood." On Apr 30, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html > > "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first > electronic score for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, > echoes and weeeoooos that accentuated invisible monsters and > robotic creatures in the 1956 science-fiction classic "Forbidden > Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She was 82." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:32:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A273BF6D; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xarWZzpl0QB6wRw4HuKK0DF81vVukP34LeJR2BzUHOExBmTD9NXnDa4Ou0LGxu+Mg8RH5Q9Hd3oymapdsZ3kytkv3aj3LKYjmjBWLyfT5lN7sm1nawuHo9A6EW7OaZfMq8JBpZBx+n2/SxCae3shl6bGaN2YITBDGfZRcwU3VQQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 4HArjhcVM1k7rZe.R7kM5v4zlAoaAKKqL7qLD3jhEjKSjQ5y8Kd87ucnUqWqRNRFnnalydPIaW4w8IxjKFgd4rQ1DIBtDVcplsiyFrG2w.8B1YFztmDNymW51Q-- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Trance - was Bob Brozeman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080501152618.66FE13BF8D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <487100.16040.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) From my own experience, I'd say that Rick is onto something here. It's all to easy to want to put the multiplicity of human experience into a neatly packaged little box. For this reason alone, I rarely feel drawn to enter into LD philosophical discussions. Even if the brain waves produced under radically differing trance situations were similar, who among us has the faintest clue as to what that actually means? Dogmatic thinking is just as odious whether it comes from Bob Brozeman, Rick Walker, myself, or George W... May we all be humbled by that simple expression. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:45:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242123BF56; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:45:46 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Aetherphon , LoopersDelight Subject: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello to all! I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog Music, =20 in Asheville, NC. Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music =20 expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply called: =20 "The Moog Guitar". I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I =20 learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding like =20 a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and =20 heard regarding the Moog Guitar. My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric =20 guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the guitar. =20 And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite sustain, for =20 example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. However, my guess =20 about the theory of operation was mistaken. The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are built =20 into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As many =20 readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to set it into =20 vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The engineers at Moog took =20 things to another level -- for ebow technology can do the opposite: it =20 can be used to remove energy from a string, too. Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others can =20 sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a =20 staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed by a =20 bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and as the =20 chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an entire =20 string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. And =20 the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned that =20 some people can't believe that this is all being done on the strings =20 until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the strings themselves. I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the =20 looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 many guitarists and loopers). While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes things =20 to another level. Best wishes to Moog Music. May the new Moog Guitar inspire many =20 musicians and be another success story for Moog Music. All the best to one and all. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:56:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F73E3BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=W6zTg+hJa+SkeZ6Oyk2vM44bt7N9GpdqqD+SZp9Uzro=; b=Gq1keGy88iqi6QmZxUCK8YepBNdO77qbuxEtzi2RP71gJnPzC/i6SMqilS4/oRKTBEXQgnnK23xqHDvq21kQB2tfUafmPOuY0cvAODqtwO/em7OWtEVAf8FxhMIhqy4H2wB/zylBHoF56WodojJfHQKzR1h+5wAlPRcDlxcggWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GfqS/rOXUgww9DNWIz9I7NYydwYcfcCePmJU8GkfFqs39Z3Hv1LMi4/A87Eq+WD818OD+sqHyBXlmSc+Xq8FneKNi/PHcdIDTzOAKOwjByVFN5Tb2gMSGtPCJeLrteKUMPQkrL1BzYvxuAAh0lb8i5KfH7cvtggg/sHr6QjF2Wk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:37 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307" References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-IP_J.A.ic.2BiGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a reliable package, with built-in effects. TH On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > ". > > I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I > learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding like a > "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and heard > regarding the Moog Guitar. > ------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a reliable package, with built-in effects.

TH

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
".

I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I learned and heard about this product.  I run the risk of sounding like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and heard regarding the Moog Guitar.

------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97A873BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501150305.cpqupakw04w0c088@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:03:05 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <23G48D.A.s5.9HiGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Travis Hartnett : > Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a > reliable package, with built-in effects. > TH > While it sounds like "built in fx", all the sound shaping is done on the strings themselves -- the sound suggests some kind of fx processing however it is all done on the strings. They started from the standpoint of a high-quality guitar. Someone who is familiar with guitars would have to attest to its playability, while I suspect it is very high quality. It does very good "acoustic" sounds as well as electric ones. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D458C3BF61; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481A26C3.3040209@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:23:31 +0200 From: chrisrover User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: chrisrover@aol.com Subject: Re: LOOPS ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 84.185.23.227 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Dear friends, Thank you all for visiting www.myspace.com/christianrover becoming new friends and your kind comments. I look forward to listening in detail to all of the beautiful music you have put out there, when I'm done with my current recording sessions. A special note to Warren and Stephen: The opening number at myspace is set to change at random. So you were first hit by my rendition of Coltranes "Giant Steps"... hope the speakers were not on 11 ;-) This version seems to divide listeners into those who love it and those who hate it. An older fan, who knows me as a mainstream organ trio jazz guitarist, even literally demanded that I take it off my site... maybe eventually I'll bow to public pressure... for now I think of it as a contribution to "shred" and musical humor. To answer the octaver question: I assume you're referring to the live version of "Love my tender hide". I'm using a custom built guitar with low E and A string (tuned an octave lower than legally allowed). I wish I knew an octave-shifter that could give me that sound. I would have two more strings to solo with ;-) Greetings Christian Rover chrisrover@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:29:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB013BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=DDpBYVfUqtlilzy052W1nTEO8dJbRSMshvVH9EuGsB4=; b=gADw/MAHmfsuVnFNVMhNAkwzwbSLK89JWb9xup85L5HfMWaXW3oKAE5rmiNxZtW8UEEjlTolMI1rlR6f76DsRKnpMA8ee3E9adPJAk8j0QoZarJdKJfp0yGw9wVY3gxbhHT35hWi1HQs7BrJEKomMp1nTHuF5GzRlr814WHPGfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gTa12KBjLQ/N5awQdcz7c4QxI4GdMhcw2OL0s0ZDyCIhwKT/lwhSjO3/WQd17Q6DePw6jsALTn6NBUIQB4uNCT6LQ2xwKAfzrlc+32QtFHxoCdbdsb+4LMMD76YWt9/x8CD+j2an5pql2LbcOvM/xYohbWJntFaWBUs4D0gjlTg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:57 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the looping > community as well as the theremin community (which includes many guitarists > and loopers). One month ago a video demo of that guitar being played was used as splash for http://moogmusic.com/. I checked back today but it's gone now. It sounded fantastic!!! I've played a little MIDI guitar with each string set to its own MIDI channel and eight good synths, one per sting, but that's nothing compared to hearing the true string and every string individually sustained. In that demo video the guitarist used the same sound patch for all strings; fading down a bit at first but then increasing the sustain to raise the level, producing a sound similar to if you sample the guitar note and play back the first loop in reverse (or like doing Record --> Reverse on an EDP). I think Moog's polyphonic sustain system would be very expressive for a fretless guitar. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:40:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD9DE3BF62; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H4DW960rBmu0zTT3Dxin6A==:17 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=jOyGg1T56xCgC_ftNvsA:9 a=xkPAEEoOOrIAov9ABqefL72FmVUA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=10sAvMsTeQkA:10 From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:40:45 +0000 Message-Id: <050120082040.28123.481A2ACD0000446A00006DDB2216548686CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <4smv7.A.9fC.PriGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Very sad news, but thanks for passing it on. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rick Williamson" > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html > > "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first electronic score > for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, echoes and weeeoooos that > accentuated invisible monsters and robotic creatures in the 1956 > science-fiction classic "Forbidden Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She > was 82." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:03:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D473BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=jowN23HVjqX/cJZng6C0Hv9JClo0NBTzjeUON/Sp99U=; b=YqW6EA9XZPKZJbsrt2I3oV1x1+/u/56C3X6NcxdnqwLaPK7ByzRbE59KfDC2WDpU5XBXXEhduvu3O240vfOZUsxflQ+RNNYBzad9WBiwHdCj++HFDqPyu5Na586WZyknPdov+FBSCDL81jbQBTV2vc8ITOAztEnqM7tCc25bs5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Y5oBA7R6zjDzLF8ju14ENqHWMMFetTP2dR5RCuVtzq+dhZd+qGEBK7OGCDttwEvVdXuKMxES8vZomi6Z3mBlztQeoO/Qvuv4a28ZBTso8c74nniEbt+VDXIzBy/mhI0hg0zidadxzRWlOtOJkr/DjPpBnJQvWdLhlqo7U2McZMw= Message-ID: <481A3E28.3020509@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:03:20 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dainel Dingeldein Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > I use Mcintyre pickups for my Dobro, National steel, Mandolin and Banjo. http://www.mcintyrepickups.com/ You will need a preamp if you are going to play out since the pickups are not active. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB0B3BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=A5kYFNyQDfPOKE1F3P73oQOB8m+PnqUug+iCVfwTDOY=; b=IOwTND9tuKhzj6l9KjcN0o5QWb13gVOR+mCZxvrtTRz0fT837w1pTnayj4ynel6RGhZZrCLqJXYWkAyXWeAUjGSwRcCn3n4+ghtXIvuHvrIgIFPXWORdNccW5pg7Odjut0TD3mzXWH9k8rX/JGvnXPOhQbFttg2ec1GK0gkmhiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ZMOG3Zni7xr9tGsDqoEgAHdctNcnsjxABa0awXuHrwBDDXNcDTTuiU3PxG1fNef5v6tHYQ/sEuDTGYg9ZpOJyHCvr62x+dbjai6bvvDIxpwArvEe5XvWiQfKgNH8RuSj47JjLUBOeHgScx6L/ozTN65aSKbkcZBHQ++7YWn9wF0= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:13:21 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: feedback problem on edp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always - anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks - ------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always -
anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks -
------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:14:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690193BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 00:14:57 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WK4gf9EIWFzw61x695huVF09xhvTXRgQPOxJcsn NaYl7Bn1K3J+78iYGarbbuvDBZ7iwxI0ZVjA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 2XcpfOUjf2IsO/5yl21o5+t4dWxlc1Z8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 looper and Zoom G2.1u I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a guitar !!! Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons of possibilies how to play... Even the effect pedal is already optimized for guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger tips. Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on a range of 4 octaves... Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get a decent vocal bass line... ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. And I just figured how easy looping can be - when you use a guitar. So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar - what the heck. I know some of you will object to certain details (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) and I know there are enough loopers out there facing many technical & practical challenges. Just wanted share my first-time impressions with guitar looping. I'm stunned. Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:23:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4DF3BE7E; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501172353.q7iakihbgkgs0woc@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:23:53 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! References: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Buzap Buzap : > > > So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if I can make life > so much easier looping with a guitar - what the heck. > Great post. I actually started out when learning my way around the RC-50 with a microphone -- though I don't use a mic in actual performance. With the mic, I would count out beats and measures by number -- then I could figure out what-loop-was-doing-what, etc. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:29:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21813BE86; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vDLwYi9iI8/RKwgOQs3T+ax4+6Ik51pS7a5Sl6ptlDQ=; b=bkEaLN6hcA1Dz3dJSgHG+JWpUSxr4B0Y1iQSCHSjuaPpzE5nbjJMvPs/4F6C7HgI3NJzdbrOIwPdmT5jpHRKu6Ka08WZQp6G8Zr/Kn0iSwkkqc+PC2hR0kboQ8Cl+IMaJ2ws6ctqFKi7L75MLNLVUffMCtNyaKLQkulaEmd/gko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W07KW6N2ffkhoqZCvfpiXziiq0trKu7lg8P9bLgTYRhW+j58ikoOr1YSIkOB//cD9FtYmAy9AsTDebLrpxxSuOx3Pxf8oO6oWZhgzXs4zV8TtW1Ot8Mdm+WFCgg8EMx4llzS66sUSYDbep5CFOe36r6W7tCHkjN08ul1oPUC0C8= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805011529q402e1998l1c4477b17200d012@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:29:08 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557" References: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe your knob broke. If you have an expression pedal, try plugging it in, rocking it up (so feedback is 127) and then unplugging it. If you don't have an expression pedal, then I'm sorry for wasting your time. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steve Sandberg wrote: > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control > - i have maximum feedback always - > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks - > > ------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe your knob broke. If you have an expression pedal, try plugging it in, rocking it up (so feedback is 127) and then unplugging it. If you don't have an expression pedal, then I'm sorry for wasting your time.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steve Sandberg <stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always -
anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks -

------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 00:57:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED77F3BF4F; Fri, 2 May 2008 00:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yOIqQUYu1ls1Qo9TxhaBTjVWOmi0uXpZptcyuDzTiaeYkYkYtYZoj+EscsP2+3RSKyVqbGBZnihU37XS6e8xOo0hoXTjnnw+40sc4h9dttKT8SGynGDIedKiQ+PgTmNe+58nJPJdAwtjuf9bUju2FpcAY4d+6g+kna+3CGmObOk=; X-YMail-OSG: z_koY3QVM1nVCqUef345d_zinUzjoaecH3tQ0Xx6FaBhNw5BElHvmLFjGEuKl.6VFvMq_1hCTHRzX9C2jqpBQau_Oih4iuhxnb6PyKZ8pJoU7UYi9tJeoqH_WyI- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <303703.16907.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:57:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/.  Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars.

He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm


Ted.



"L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his
national guitar,but are there pickups outhere
specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of
them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away
the character of their sound.
cheers
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


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"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 04:07:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7A93BF49; Fri, 2 May 2008 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 02 May 2008 04:07:54 UTC From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <303703.16907.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acir7384XVt8n/HoQ7GJ/lDW7YIEjgAGBrjA Message-Id: <20080502040754.43F573BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New list member here, and first post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP since 2003. I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no looping. I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it. www.highlanderpickups.com It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural sound. Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top resophonic players. I appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified steel National I've ever heard. \ Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes _____ From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

New list member here, and first = post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; = using an EDP since 2003.  I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and = work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no = looping.

 

I have a brass-bodied resophonic = guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it.  www.highlanderpickups.com =   It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord.  It’s excellent, in my = opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural = sound.

 

Brozman is quoted on their page = along with other top resophonic players.  I appeared with Keb’ Mo’ = last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and = had the best amplified steel National I’ve ever = heard.

\

 

Dave = Gallaher

 

Microwave Dave & The = Nukes

 

From: ditch = wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, = 2008 7:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: amplifying a = national steel dobro guitar

 


I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/.  = Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars.

He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: = http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: = http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm


Ted.



"L.A. Angulo" = <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

talking about = Brozman,he seems to just mic his
national guitar,but are there pickups outhere
specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of
them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away
the character of their sound.
cheers
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


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"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, = middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc = Goddard

 

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! = Mobile. Try it now.

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 08:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B083BEFA; Fri, 2 May 2008 08:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xIu9VEwUl6EEcnoUflLxnoQNPiRhWzP2CLMRb7dashlcsYsKKSdyBtkQWydFCaHt/IP0n7YSdS873Zw9a4YZlgWjZpZreelKP9FzH9j0SanbBeSEIz7ewYHowPRaxZ0HVdDEb0WtjnXftuJBZccU2fSgPUEwgJVR0ePjAYLR7d8=; X-YMail-OSG: aHmNYXEVM1kH8g9N0KsxMQVl4KXAh5W6AsmHzthOjzeiqMLYTYG9kBV8_nnSNFZBoO2Orw7CeFDsolqJtN1dRfU9yKIpf8RHemjQFdGKP98xQ7mH9O82DOHH_Lw- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080502040754.43F573BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > New list member here, and first post---been looping > live a couple nights a > week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP > since 2003. I play solo > blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of > the week with a blues > trio, no looping. > > > > I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a > Highlander pickup in it. > www.highlanderpickups.com > It comes > with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my > opinion, as the pickup > is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural > sound. > > > > Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top > resophonic players. I > appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a > humbucker-type on top with > a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified > steel National I've ever > heard. > > \ > > > > Dave Gallaher > > > > Microwave Dave & The Nukes > > > > _____ > > From: ditch wrestler > [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro > guitar > > > > > I'll offer up Schatten Design - > http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a > good guy and done some work on my geetars. > > He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed > instrument (harp to > ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) > p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his > tri-cone p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm > > > Ted. > > > > "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few > of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take > away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and > an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean > Luc Goddard > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 11:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664773BF34; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wJSSEqYfRy5Ce+Kr4OlXuSW0W5sFU1jajT5ygJoDv8Q=; b=MXaiUYZVR+P2juzP75HjKWnX6XqgOfe8m4zQD7n9AopfUujj0+CujrmK69zgX1gbb/Vr1Y9LSHwV3IVJbbhEvblYDMC03XmS++q3+qQY3DCthnNmifYSUXokt5U2YbU8P1np6X9HsLQlD+iedau1+BAi0M5iyFeWnQ0+Y6IGONI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nH5RuGvZfj/UPXgeyDHMCU1h/kQZ3Y1aJ1NCfDRsLwX40/saoXChbXYqlxYQaoO75btokpHFrY28k55G9uMjBdm16Pm0BjVB9u8cGhK4n+VGrE0Dbd3oXJO4wCh2P6zexq53lrKi1MIAGR8A7LK04kflo6y/OITScU56gsjFRCA= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70805020425i4664da00r153e680c505be39e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:25:15 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: feedback problem on edp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline woops - fixed it - somehow my settings got changed - thanks to all who replied. steve ------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline woops - fixed it - somehow my settings got changed - thanks to all who replied.
steve
------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12503BF33; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=K1bZ0uEdB98EkI+qrL7Zxu2UYgktzXMcAL7mMaSwPTu2D/nL0C2xXWkPl12My/Xf2n5eGt+UTHgusOdttQ37Vtm/0UtRGktPyTff5Se9HFtmrTi74ZP+t6NEXs2YmCa4D5O9x0aE46G3Lo3UwMmYm7RWmcGc+mIs6P8iqH71BeQ=; X-YMail-OSG: vzXjdxgVM1mZRVN9aqLVxtR8rDoJS1zCrTVPAeQnAgvwjXbgc.GVuWAWLYgcL4uTtdLftFVgd8yucfQ4E.JqyL9uSn677JJmdgkU1mcEhiINnTst9bypMLguKeE- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey buddy, so what were you looping before? i understand, ive been playing lately just with acoustic my voice and cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding problem...i am also thinking about getting the handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow people seem to get more turned on when you loop the real thing specially your voice! cheers Luis --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the > first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 > looper and Zoom G2.1u > > I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a > guitar !!! > Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons > of possibilies how to play... > Even the effect pedal is already optimized for > guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: > Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger > tips. > Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a > guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, > tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You > can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on > a range of 4 octaves... > Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice > bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more > work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get > a decent vocal bass line... > ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other > instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard > so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... > try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... > > Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've > pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. > And I just figured how easy looping can be - when > you use a guitar. > > So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if > I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar > - what the heck. > > I know some of you will object to certain details > (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) > and I know there are enough loopers out there facing > many technical & practical challenges. > Just wanted share my first-time impressions with > guitar looping. I'm stunned. > > Buzap > > > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit > Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: > http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055483BF32; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VkWl5F3Q/Rakra+0wUVKOr19yFQCbEZot8Z4ybDY9XCpJ1v5hNk9TIIOcJKDKA4RpqS3hPuB+RpL2YZEx2EPl8D56NDBO86gxjtH8Nfka313opGNRbvLihnFeT1UhaDaSPBYvIgnBOPOfFcl1sgx3azKroA67V4wfyTATtGqdw0=; X-YMail-OSG: brbL160VM1nYAyYX_icvpENv1NAmtszBbeky.1pMavS7.nqfxDWHTOV2dUyNzq.yi87dur8DG6AiZemNLCqSdWYsVhZKpzIYWMLa0CLV1Tssod4hH0215KwEGf8- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:26:23 +0000 (UTC) could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a thought) also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How can i program the "erase all loops" function on the fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the feedback knob all the way to the right position? cheers Luis --- Steve Sandberg wrote: > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to > the feedback control - > i have maximum feedback always - > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for > how to fix it? thanks - > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:41:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B363BF3A; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026c01c8ac5a$4041d730$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:41:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, do you play the cajon ? I really love it. Do you have any recording where you play/looping it to let me listen to ? See you in Cologne ! Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! > Hey buddy, > so what were you looping before? i understand, ive > been playing lately just with acoustic my voice and > cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding > problem...i am also thinking about getting the > handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow people > seem to get more turned on when you loop the real > thing > specially your voice! > cheers > Luis > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi folks >> >> I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the >> first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 >> looper and Zoom G2.1u >> >> I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a >> guitar !!! >> Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons >> of possibilies how to play... >> Even the effect pedal is already optimized for >> guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: >> Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger >> tips. >> Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a >> guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, >> tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You >> can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on >> a range of 4 octaves... >> Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice >> bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more >> work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get >> a decent vocal bass line... >> ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other >> instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard >> so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... >> try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... >> >> Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've >> pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. >> And I just figured how easy looping can be - when >> you use a guitar. >> >> So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if >> I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar >> - what the heck. >> >> I know some of you will object to certain details >> (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) >> and I know there are enough loopers out there facing >> many technical & practical challenges. >> Just wanted share my first-time impressions with >> guitar looping. I'm stunned. >> >> Buzap >> >> >> -- >> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit >> Deinen Interessen! >> Jetzt dabei sein: >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - Release Date: > 01/05/2008 17.30 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:51:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE963BF43; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 9717579/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.202.117 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.202.117 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngBAJy5GkhPSsp1/2dsb2JhbAAIq2WCQQ Message-ID: <481B1C76.30402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:51:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp References: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) check out the EDP function RecordMode=SAF which resets FB to 100% when you record a loop. ( I use that all the time, good for saving emabarrasment, ...and the footpedal response is delayed so that if you left it in he wrong place you can quickly toe-down it without leaving a gap in the loop) OR send the CC to set feedback=100% from fcb FeedbackCont param is the CC number for feedback (defaults to 1) andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > thought) > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a > new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How > can i program the "erase all loops" function on the > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > wrote: > >> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to >> the feedback control - >> i have maximum feedback always - >> anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for >> how to fix it? thanks - >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 16:49:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781B93BF27; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:49:15 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18bkWAnpsEbXSpVmG/gW3DFIs21MMgDgPdN++uy2+ Xb8pzxFliuLdKDrzJDSeK+9slb5Q40Ryg6Dg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: XzJ+OForZCEEc8dhnm0h7ld4IGhpZYYM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis yes, vocals are really thrilling. It's really fascinating to hear what some people do with their voice on loopers... I also play a cajon box and I used to loop cajon box, darbouka, frame drum, chicken eggs etc. for percussion. I've gradually switched everything to beatboxing. I find it easier to control (mic) and it's more spontaneous. I use "real" percussion instruments without the looper (i.e. solo) now. I don't think the guitar will replace my voice ;-) But like moving from real percussion to beatboxing, I think the guitar will make my looping life easier in the future for specific purposes i.e. bass line, harmonics (I used to create harmonic layers with harmonicas, vocals, keys or a Clavietta). Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 17:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FED63BF22; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:27:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcisLdSTDq/yL1aqRQa0ZAb25pe8qAAS1k8Q Message-Id: <20080502172802.06EAE3BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) The Nationals and Dobros are comparably expensive, but there are several lines of Chinese-made resophonics that come with single, dual or tricone resonators that have good sounds. With any of them, from top lines on down, you must find the single instrument that has the sound you seek. I have a Johnson, which was not very expensive (and isn't fancy), which out of a dozen or so like it exhibited a very bell-like quality. I don't recommend ordering one from a catalog--just pick up and play every one you see for sale; if you find one you like, get someone else to play it for you while you walk around it and listen to the projection. Some sound almost like they are playing through amps... dave Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes micdave@hiwaay.net www.microwavedave.com 256-519-9993 PO Box 18622 Huntsville, AL 35804 Talkin' the Blues with Microwave Dave Tuesdays, 6-8pm. WJAB 90.9 FM www.aamu.edu/wjab/ 256-372-5861 Saturdays, 8-9pm WLRH 89.3 FM www.wlrh.org 256-895-9574 -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > New list member here, and first post---been looping > live a couple nights a > week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP > since 2003. I play solo > blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of > the week with a blues > trio, no looping. > > > > I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a > Highlander pickup in it. > www.highlanderpickups.com > It comes > with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my > opinion, as the pickup > is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural > sound. > > > > Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top > resophonic players. I > appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a > humbucker-type on top with > a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified > steel National I've ever > heard. > > \ > > > > Dave Gallaher > > > > Microwave Dave & The Nukes > > > > _____ > > From: ditch wrestler > [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro > guitar > > > > > I'll offer up Schatten Design - > http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a > good guy and done some work on my geetars. > > He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed > instrument (harp to > ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) > p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his > tri-cone p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm > > > Ted. > > > > "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few > of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take > away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and > an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean > Luc Goddard > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 17:51:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067133BF22; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VVNQWjCRSG8fw6+VXpRGgn7HU6XJqt+QoD4lEdG6oUc=; b=oREym5N/M3xWRwhMbLZj1TeCdDoy/yKiwpsS4TT0KVldf9qfVShKS3etLzO1KG2zeYB3uQuc6nFe+uthhdmKt0Qa9fWi2Tp2OzMoHRTiNTyHXvfZCyPJXuEQErJ2F5hxrVJTm7TGhiHCYIQyjspRzOUdNp75RY9zEcbI29qBW+o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j41Dbnv+2q5/9V/kRKyRLdku4ZYBSGjOhCyw89m5fd8884X/IHntalrepS7E4SeaCiU4QcmSBD1p5hxiLk+1nTbP81NTVoO98c+RSwoQgHUx3sOGXBYFwaNWHVgV/Ru75+JPwOosR5OKqv95V7QiayFwwrRQQd19BG9plQG4drg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:51:35 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp In-Reply-To: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988" References: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had the same problem. Very irritating, Overall I find volume pedal type controllers to be the wrong solution for managing FB or volume settings unless I'm doing actual swells. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:26 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > thought) > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a > new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How > can i program the "erase all loops" function on the > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > wrote: > > > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to > > the feedback control - > > i have maximum feedback always - > > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for > > how to fix it? thanks - > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ------=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had the same problem.  Very irritating,  Overall I find volume pedal type controllers to be the wrong solution for managing FB or volume settings unless I'm doing actual swells.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:26 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a
thought)
also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop
and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow
by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback
to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a
new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How
can i program the "erase all loops" function on the
fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the
feedback knob all the way to the right position?
cheers
Luis



--- Steve Sandberg <stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to
> the feedback control -
> i have maximum feedback always -
> anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for
> how to fix it? thanks -
>


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Hello all!   I have trouble when I record on my RC-50. When I try to loop something that I have loaded already on my RC-20  and  let the RC-50 set the tempo automatically i run into trouble.  I know the loop is tight because I played along with a good metronome and it plays perfectly on the RC-20 and yet if the loop is a couple of minutes long, when I am finished the tempo that is locked in as the phrase tempo on the RC 50 is nowhere NEAR the real tempo.  It sounds fine, the loop is cleanly finished with an inaudible start stop point, but I can't use the stored tempo to then midi sync to my drum machine. I am using the RC 50 as the master.   I noticed on short loops it seems to work fine.  I have tried setting the tempo manually before hand and tapping along to set it, but nothing works. Any thoughts??



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 20:23:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A4B3BF1A; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8Lf/JHtD1y0hdWTmExTQ/tNN4VEMQlfTg1dWmgYwGyg=; b=B2sdgw1Uh2+O81NvJ/EKWRQTCldhxIq2mBeCyZ4chpbFIkUlj+u4lKQpfNqn04vvhLtITLTR3geLXEt4ayy1LUGjBDZLmR6rBb9Y8nSYnIwcbbEQ3opmlhp3/8u2ngItIrRc4Kr2snH9uKP56pOrWSpPeabIL6qLRoKiweFpeVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vXaTJDFTILUh9msPkLQpO9/HlGkbhc2vy++R9+D9RZAaU7P5+O+Z/Me76c5Wxz4yDibP0MtZGvTzKDcQ2gmU92jLXVjqAdjep66r231NZhUtAaqxUCnwu7cI8jL1uGVQyPPpCTX/OuQie/xIjdAxbQ1KjgF+uJMlhlF9i4ynX9c= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:23:31 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7Eb-uD.A.U5G.Fh3GIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:23:33 +0000 (UTC) > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > > > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the looping > > community as well as the theremin community (which includes many guitarists > > and loopers). > http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 20:29:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 254333BF24; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:28:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcisewjEBczRmRLHQiyQm2kWAPx6tAAF9xew In-Reply-To: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) > It's really fascinating to hear what some people do with their voice on loopers... yes ... e.g. if you haven't, listen to "Etusta" on www.myspace.com/polyphonicsoulo -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 21:54:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9F73BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 21:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:54:22 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Message-ID: <20080502215422.161530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JsAgrRYXJ/N3uT9yCVjUITQKD48BCV9TRNYjbEf mQeMon8atCAOlxEMkFmRCDBkM0SvFSYjNpOA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: troufGx4TiE+S9p6nGVweSB9ZUVSRFdT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael > yes ... e.g. if you haven't, listen to "Etusta" on > www.myspace.com/polyphonicsoulo yes, nothing beats a beautiful voice - except, perhaps, more of the same overdubbed :-) "Etusta" reminds me a bit of "Circle Songs" by Bobby McFerrin. Thanks Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269143BF1C; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 00:06:43 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1864YV343k6aWFxNkIBL++Jvp2wB1OXx6SkbfqZnn gC7+hSbxtw/5eZMiz7E8uIMgbVxAaFl3SkKw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: F/l+CXJLfW47RZNBjGRoPD1udmllckW3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. One thing that disturbed me: Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. So me thinks: what if you happen to pick up some weird FM frequency that kills your ears? Please tell me if I'm paranoid. But it seems to me a long way from a IEM sender to your ears. So, I've found in the Internet a very elegant solution: Headphone Limiters: http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/productdetails.aspx?productid=24-001 Canford makes them for BBC broadcasting in UK. The best thing is: you don't have to waste a rack unit for a limiter - it's really small! They can also custom fit to your head/earphones for an exact loudness level (how many dB would you suggest)? For a cheap solution, do you guys think one could take two cheap bass guitar limiters? i.e. http://behringer.com/BLE100/ Please let me know if I'm paranoid on limiters. best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:16:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7143D3BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 00:48:38 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, this is probably going to be the only reason to make me consider another guitar... very interesting info, thank you very much for it. I just don't see any chance to know/see/hear something more than the bouncing, few informations unofficially hitting the net. Any chance to see an official move by moog ? my best, luca www.unguitar.com kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Hello to all! > > I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog > Music, in Asheville, NC. > > Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music > expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply called: > "The Moog Guitar". > > I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I > learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding > like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned > and heard regarding the Moog Guitar. > > My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric > guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the guitar. > And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite sustain, for > example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. However, my > guess about the theory of operation was mistaken. > > The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are built > into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As many > readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to set it into > vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The engineers at Moog took > things to another level -- for ebow technology can do the opposite: > it can be used to remove energy from a string, too. > > Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others can > sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a > staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed by a > bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and as the > chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an entire > string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. > > My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. > And the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned > that some people can't believe that this is all being done on the > strings until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the strings > themselves. > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the > looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes > many guitarists and loopers). > > While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes > things to another level. > > Best wishes to Moog Music. 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Dear Friend,

I am a senior staff of bill and exchange unit at FOREIGN
REMITTANCE DEPT.SOCIETE GENERALE DE BANQUES AU BURKINA(SGBB)

I am
writing to you, following the impressive information received about you
from the chambers of commerce. I believed that you are capable and
reliable to champion this business opportunity.

In my department I
discovered an abandoned sum of U.S $12.5m US dollars in an account that
belonged to one of In an account that belongs to one of our foreign
customer who died along with his entire family on 25TH JULY,2000
CONCORDE PLANE CRASH [Flight AF4590 with the whole passengers aboard,
the name oF the deceased man was (MR. JOHN KOROVO), from
Munich,Germany.

Since we got information about his death, we have
been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because
we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or
relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines but
unfortunately I learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation
died alongside with him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the
claim.

It is therefore upon this discovery that I now decided to make
this business proposal to you, so that the bank can release the money to
you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we don't want
this money to go into the Bank treasury as unclaimed Bill.

The
Banking law and guideline here stipulates that if such money remained
unclaimed after six years, the money will be transfered into the Bank
treasury as unclaimed fund.
The request of foreigner as next of kin in
this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a
foreigner and a Burkinabe cannot stand in as next of kin to a
foreigner.

I agree that 35% of this money will be for you as foreign
partner, in respect to the provision of a foreign account, 10 % will be
set aside for tax and expenses to be incurred during the business and 55
% would be for me,there after I will visit your country for disbursement
according to the percentages indicated.

Therefore to enable the
immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first
to the bank as a relation or next of kin of the deceased customer but
that will be when you have shown interest to assist me in this
transaction then i will forward to you the text of application with the
bank address where the application will be sent to by you as the next of
kin to Mr Andreas Schranner.

Upon receipt of your reply, I will send
to you by fax or email the text of the application. I will not fail to
bring to your notice that this transaction is 100% hitch and risk free
and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required
arrangements have been made for the transfer .

Trusting to hear from
you immediately.

Your's faithfully,
Mr Ali Issa.



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---MOQ120976711121e0a3536c21cc06ff8fd3e9ce09cc2a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:49:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6893BF18; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:49:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5CxRVD.A.n7E.Jq5GIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's an incredible one that I'm lusting after but I can't think about it! http://om28.com/sreso/morss.html It's handmade and very cheap considering. I have a friend who has a tricone made by Morton and it howls! Speaking of Keb Mo, you might consider a Dobro. Old ones can be had relatively cheap. Also, I hadn't seen the other posts on Schatten and Highander when I responded. Sorry to repeat old info! I guess I'd say either do your due diligence or just jump and try a few. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 1:23 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Dave, > I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have > cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any > recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? > cheers > Luis > > > --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > >> New list member here, and first post---been looping >> live a couple nights a >> week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP >> since 2003. I play solo >> blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of >> the week with a blues >> trio, no looping. >> >> >> >> I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a >> Highlander pickup in it. >> www.highlanderpickups.com >> It comes >> with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my >> opinion, as the pickup >> is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural >> sound. >> >> >> >> Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top >> resophonic players. I >> appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a >> humbucker-type on top with >> a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified >> steel National I've ever >> heard. >> >> \ >> >> >> >> Dave Gallaher >> >> >> >> Microwave Dave & The Nukes >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: ditch wrestler >> [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro >> guitar >> >> >> >> >> I'll offer up Schatten Design - >> http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a >> good guy and done some work on my geetars. >> >> He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed >> instrument (harp to >> ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) >> p/u's are here: >> http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his >> tri-cone p/u's are here: >> http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm >> >> >> Ted. >> >> >> >> "L.A. Angulo" wrote: >> >> talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his >> national guitar,but are there pickups outhere >> specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few >> of >> them but the ones that come with humbuckers take >> away >> the character of their sound. >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ >> ________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a >> beginning, middle, and >> an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean >> Luc Goddard >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with >> Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> > _ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >> DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > --Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Here's an incredible one that I'm lusting after but I can't think about it! http://om28.com/sreso/morss.html It's handmade and very cheap considering. I have a friend who has a tricone made by Morton and it howls! Speaking of Keb Mo, you might consider a Dobro. Old ones can be had relatively cheap. Also, I hadn't seen the other posts on Schatten and Highander when I responded. Sorry to repeat old info! I guess I'd say either do your due diligence or just jump and try a few. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 1:23 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher < wrote: New list member here, and first post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP since 2003. I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no looping. I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it. www.highlanderpickups.com < It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural sound. Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top resophonic players. I appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified steel National I've ever heard. \ Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes _____ From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" < wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try <DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --Apple-Mail-2--466852341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:51:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0786C3BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080502175139.ldseka3n4s440csw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:51:39 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Luca, I'm not sure when the "official" roll out date is. As I mentioned =20 before, it appears to be quite an innovative leap for the guitar and I =20 look forward to hearing the impressions of you and others on the list =20 as you get become acquainted with the Moog Guitar. -- Kevin Quoting Luca Formentini : > Hi Kevin, > this is probably going to be the only reason to make me consider > another guitar... > very interesting info, thank you very much for it. > > I just don't see any chance to know/see/hear something more than the > bouncing, few informations unofficially hitting the net. > Any chance to see an official move by moog ? > > my best, > luca > > www.unguitar.com > > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > >> Hello to all! >> >> I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog =20 >> Music, in Asheville, NC. >> >> Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music =20 >> expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply =20 >> called: "The Moog Guitar". >> >> I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what =20 >> I learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of =20 >> sounding like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what =20 >> I learned and heard regarding the Moog Guitar. >> >> My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric =20 >> guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the =20 >> guitar. And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite =20 >> sustain, for example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. =20 >> However, my guess about the theory of operation was mistaken. >> >> The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are =20 >> built into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As =20 >> many readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to =20 >> set it into vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The =20 >> engineers at Moog took things to another level -- for ebow =20 >> technology can do the opposite: it can be used to remove energy =20 >> from a string, too. >> >> Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others =20 >> can sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a =20 >> staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed =20 >> by a bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and =20 >> as the chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an =20 >> entire string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. >> >> My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. =20 >> And the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned =20 >> that some people can't believe that this is all being done on the =20 >> strings until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the =20 >> strings themselves. >> >> I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the =20 >> looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 >> many guitarists and loopers). >> >> While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes =20 >> things to another level. >> >> Best wishes to Moog Music. May the new Moog Guitar inspire many =20 >> musicians and be another success story for Moog Music. >> >> All the best to one and all. >> >> -- Kevin >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 3069 (20080501) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio =E8 stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 23:02:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D803BF1C; Fri, 2 May 2008 23:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1371 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 02 May 2008 23:02:35 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Message-Id: <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:39:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Luis I use a Schatten pickup in my little resonator guitar. It's great! It's cheap! I use the Ultrasound little pre amp with it (also cheap).... although it sounds fine without it. Whatever you use in a National, don't use anything that has a battery inside the guitar! It's a REAL bear to change batteries and there's the risk of losing intonation etc. www.schattendesigns.com Actually, I think I'd get the pre amp with it. It could sound tinny without it. Email rodrose@schattendesigns.com and tell him I sent ya. (Rod Rose). He's a wonderful person. K&K makes a good one too I hear. www.kksound.com I felt the K&K was possibly too intrusive for my Phillips resonator - required more drilling etc. It's an expensive guitar with a custom resonator (pie pan) in it and I didn't wanna risk having to have another one made. Highlander makes the one that National puts in their guitars at the factory. (I assume they still do. Haven't checked in a while). It seemed to me like it might dampen the sound as the pickup I think lays on the resonator. If you do put a pickup in, you might get a luthier who's done it before to do the work. Putting the jack in the guitar requires some reinforcement (inside where the jack mounts) or the metal might pucker after plugging and unplugging for a few years. If you have a vintage National I wouldn't put anything in it. I have a 34 National duolian and don't wanna change anything on it. Gigantic sound. You can see a photo of the Phillips guitar here: http://richardsales.com/ron_phillips_guitar.html They are really amazing and incredible musical instruments. Happy motoring richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 1-May-08, at 12:24 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > --Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Luis I use a Schatten pickup in my little resonator guitar. It's great! It's cheap! I use the Ultrasound little pre amp with it (also cheap).... although it sounds fine without it. Whatever you use in a National, don't use anything that has a battery inside the guitar! It's a REAL bear to change batteries and there's the risk of losing intonation etc. www.schattendesigns.com Actually, I think I'd get the pre amp with it. It could sound tinny without it. Email rodrose@schattendesigns.com and tell him I sent ya. (Rod Rose). He's a wonderful person. K&K makes a good one too I hear. www.kksound.com I felt the K&K was possibly too intrusive for my Phillips resonator - required more drilling etc. It's an expensive guitar with a custom resonator (pie pan) in it and I didn't wanna risk having to have another one made. Highlander makes the one that National puts in their guitars at the factory. (I assume they still do. Haven't checked in a while). It seemed to me like it might dampen the sound as the pickup I think lays on the resonator. If you do put a pickup in, you might get a luthier who's done it before to do the work. Putting the jack in the guitar requires some reinforcement (inside where the jack mounts) or the metal might pucker after plugging and unplugging for a few years. If you have a vintage National I wouldn't put anything in it. I have a 34 National duolian and don't wanna change anything on it. Gigantic sound. You can see a photo of the Phillips guitar here: http://richardsales.com/ron_phillips_guitar.html They are really amazing and incredible musical instruments. Happy motoring Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 1-May-08, at 12:24 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --Apple-Mail-1--467452481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 01:26:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95513BF25; Sat, 3 May 2008 01:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:26:06 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:26:12 +0000 (UTC) At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >> > >> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>the looping >> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>many guitarists > > > and loopers). > >http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html WTF?!? Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That point is always debatable. But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead written by the person that stole the post. Now maybe there was a back-end conversation had between Kevin and the Matrixsynth blogger. But if there were no permission explicitly given, this appears to be horrible net manners! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 01:29:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A443BF24; Sat, 3 May 2008 01:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:29:49 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Oh, sorry. The Subject should have been marked as OT. :P At 10:26 AM +0900 5/3/08, Mech wrote: >At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>>the looping >>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>>many guitarists >> > > and loopers). >> >>http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html > >WTF?!? > >Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? > >First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an >email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That >point is always debatable. > >But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has >completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information >off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for >his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead >written by the person that stole the post. > >Now maybe there was a back-end conversation had between Kevin and >the Matrixsynth blogger. But if there were no permission explicitly >given, this appears to be horrible net manners! > > --m. >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD92A3BF1C; Sat, 3 May 2008 04:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ftvuy5RgHebFjO48QVMEsKdQXfywuUsfARRKpA9WagM=; b=esDfpcVCH1Qvj7m8plZhj1F/w5BNVQMMC725/E6w85ywGSQXWwVtBm1j1WuOB1w+LG1TO5r13YKPCf3CbggBu7/IsYprM2ux99sNVqSst4eHgaUn4WY+33zJqEVjm0atkwlQiNcngHGtFNNhvCWc4N0dN8rfM+vf8GB8Ifm6bAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ehxbPvh0TzAt22V5geHIz7fye98ZRygzqm+hgAVRw6kfWY5QPqzoJA9Ec9CKrowO4B4jxfQvqRSnX/nuuJYj14AqSoBqzqG9yGL9rfEIDHFrzHx/N6mZ5u6cl/cnbqibPEjAGDAjdz9bc9tN1Bd8B0t8rN9/wOf0NKiSKFf/caQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:46:32 -0400 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar In-Reply-To: <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046" References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 04:46:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar.

One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky!

Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it?


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Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 07:15:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900553BF20; Sat, 3 May 2008 07:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:15:42 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: WTB: Roland MC-09/other cheapass 303 clones/Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <481C111E.7010401@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: <_JuPbD.A.ScD.nEBHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:15:51 +0000 (UTC) i keep missing auctions. got no time to fish. got clams. need fish. got fish? want clams? send fish. no sham. just clams. want fish. send time. need got no. i wish. keep missing. fish. doc oc shun no on the dock of the 'bay...miskeep time... hey. did that come thru alright? i need a shower. shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 10:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A04953BF14; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OJ2jSWb/ztIsVIxvdz8Tny91+Cig/7XbXmQiMtNmaRIIm4f1wUEXE+ksPdak8Yi0hsRMinqqdTn2e+KUSVVMefUoGofjXIw/GKfLsolBz4nP4Q0HBN3lx2p+91JVoPKzkpmB9bAfxZ6osR2+aXRlY6pTzFReDp+05nKRjHoPOmI=; X-YMail-OSG: Sg3z_9IVM1l4xUKs2.94iCCrNHLyiNJQOGKSMLm8FXLnbHHVRfLnNTtbYhIN7ImFJNx5YzrcKChD7UAd_cPGP4SQTBpypGaFeuVm4u7NWq6B6eHz4R9vlf7AHxI- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 03:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: e t e r o g e n e o , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <026c01c8ac5a$4041d730$4001a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <316434.41443.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Ciao fabio! I still dont have any recordings with it but i am planing on doing so soon.I wanted to take it to the cologne fgestival but it looks like i am going to have to go with the train and really reduce my gear;-(( by the way is anybody driving through southern germany(konstanz) going up to cologne and need company? If i could drive with somebody would be great!! cheers Luis --- e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Hi Luis, > do you play the cajon ? I really love it. > Do you have any recording where you play/looping it > to let me listen to ? > See you in Cologne ! > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much > easier! > > > > Hey buddy, > > so what were you looping before? i understand, ive > > been playing lately just with acoustic my voice > and > > cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding > > problem...i am also thinking about getting the > > handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow > people > > seem to get more turned on when you loop the real > > thing > > specially your voice! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > >> Hi folks > >> > >> I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for > the > >> first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my > RC-50 > >> looper and Zoom G2.1u > >> > >> I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use > a > >> guitar !!! > >> Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, > tons > >> of possibilies how to play... > >> Even the effect pedal is already optimized for > >> guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound > like: > >> Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger > >> tips. > >> Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of > a > >> guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, > >> tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You > >> can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck > on > >> a range of 4 octaves... > >> Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a > nice > >> bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much > more > >> work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to > get > >> a decent vocal bass line... > >> ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other > >> instruments... ... switch patches on your > keyboard > >> so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper > ... > >> try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... > >> > >> Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. > I've > >> pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so > far. > >> And I just figured how easy looping can be - when > >> you use a guitar. > >> > >> So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality > if > >> I can make life so much easier looping with a > guitar > >> - what the heck. > >> > >> I know some of you will object to certain details > >> (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." > etc) > >> and I know there are enough loopers out there > facing > >> many technical & practical challenges. > >> Just wanted share my first-time impressions with > >> guitar looping. I'm stunned. > >> > >> Buzap > >> > >> > >> -- > >> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute > mit > >> Deinen Interessen! > >> Jetzt dabei sein: > >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - > Release Date: > > 01/05/2008 17.30 > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 10:23:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5648E3BF13; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eyFW4S7YnfWqcIseJ3O5qidJ4WtnCwe4D4+EMeukPnlB6aT8tA+clZ5m23lc0zSq9ihn3fOrTAB3sjUSwMXI+A2YDnrpsgzX1JnkWhFs0tk1aZLSYNHbLppW7HbKd760gJjUjrD6Zjif4+RJ97NDHqPpmU35kXqql1pZE3tuiuo=; X-YMail-OSG: WrbuaNEVM1lh2XvHSR2bPVHo4MtRzMrO4riMrnHi2PeUAHGSD2pn_rxOrIAG8bP0XjJ7SMSJ3KmX_MleOClgludkvW.kJ405SOJGgWIvEY5Qn0E9vx_P3uKewTk- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <189450.98244.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-ZwQvD.A.lxG.t0DHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:23:41 +0000 (UTC) what about any good dobros with good pickups already installed that can recomend?most of them come with no electronics, please send links if you can! cheers Luis --- Zak Kramer wrote: > I've got a couple of resos, and only recently > started amplifying them. > However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- > more John Campbell than > Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, > which attaches with > adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be > tucked through the strap > or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as > well as add tone & volume > knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. > > One really nice thing about the reso is that it's > loud enough to compete > with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding > (really!) Lovepedal 2w > plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between > the two and be completely > mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I > can have the amp only play > the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've > got two very different, > but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a > Boomerang with the guitar & > amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! > > Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar > -- I'm considering what > organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have > you played it? > > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:36:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E003BF1E; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LzgoxUvS2R5su5UcNvMBsSlqRjxkgomcfjMzOaRR4ILDWZ9b68Mn8e4deQSSiuZd6onVW8TuWD8Czx7QrYgb8yNEgXztmUmHfirbkib0MxOV53D41smAuF5Lc311mfaMwSYUSCQG7gctVz0azwI93LRsW4etMlbqgJUfBGzoSis=; X-YMail-OSG: IuRQO28VM1noZUh77xOsHuTtnnNWCcQaYMiR3r9xdZ23ZfFA5p5G8gZJ6.jS8fdenojEkiSCFB43oFaJoxTY4dCrl7bPhbO1nsrXReJQ2iwMEsOMtMY99k5kZ9M- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 04:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481B1C76.30402@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Andy you rock man thanx!!! got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about cheers Luis --- andy butler wrote: > check out the EDP function > > RecordMode=SAF > > which resets FB to 100% when you record a loop. > ( I use that all the time, good for saving > emabarrasment, > ...and the footpedal response is delayed so that if > you left it in he wrong > place you can quickly toe-down it without leaving a > gap in the loop) > > > OR > > send the CC to set feedback=100% from fcb > > FeedbackCont param is the CC number for feedback > (defaults to 1) > > andy butler > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > > thought) > > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i > loop > > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i > follow > > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the > feedback > > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start > a > > new one sometimes the feedback continues to > fade.How > > can i program the "erase all loops" function on > the > > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > > wrote: > > > >> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond > to > >> the feedback control - > >> i have maximum feedback always - > >> anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas > for > >> how to fix it? thanks - > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:43:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E50F3BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:43:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm = particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to = mind). Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Suler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: effects processors For simplicity and inexpensiveness, try the EH Micro POG. For = complexity and expensiveness, try the EH HOG. The HOG's tracking is = pretty amazing for a device without a pickup. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:05 AM, doc rossi = wrote: I'm looking for a octaver with a clean sound that woud work with = acoustic instruments, mics. Any suggestions? On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Toby G wrote: You just can't beat a whammy pedal. It's what keeps today's man = happy. t ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Kellogg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Pickup Any opinions on effects processors? I'd like to be able to get = a variety of tones and strange whatnots before the signal hits my RC-50. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: Baggs M1A, THE best. On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sam Nilsson wrote: Scott Kellogg wrote: Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseum, but what's = the guitar pickup all the cool kids are using these days? I have a = Seagull cedar acoustic that plays really nicely and has a = pleasant-but-average tone. I'm interested in processing the signal = before it gets to my looper, and would like to be able to pick up taps = and other percussive slaps on the body of the instrument. While we're on the topic, what you think of the new crop = of 'acoustic guitar' processors that are on the market (e.g. the Fishman = stuff, Korg, Boss, etc.)? My original plan was to loop with my electric = basses, but my singer-songwriter groove is coming back, and maybe the = guitar will be in my path as well as a bass. Then again, an acoustic = guitar with an octaver makes good basslines. K&K Sound's Pure system has gotten positive reviews from = people that I have met. When I tried it, I thought it had a nice fairly = natural sound. *Much* nicer than a piezo. http://www.kksound.com/acousticguitar.html#pure - Sam -- Solve et coagula. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,
 
Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other = than=20 guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have=20 no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to=20 mind).
 
Ian.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick=20 Suler
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 = 5:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: effects = processors

For simplicity and inexpensiveness, try the EH Micro = POG. For=20 complexity and expensiveness, try the EH HOG. The HOG's tracking is = pretty=20 amazing for a device without a pickup.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:05 AM, doc rossi = <docittern@gmail.com> = wrote:
I'm looking for a octaver with a clean sound that woud work = with=20 acoustic instruments, mics.  Any suggestions?

On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Toby G wrote:

You just can't beat a whammy = pedal. =20 It's what keeps today's man happy.
 
 
t
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kellogg
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:06 = PM
Subject: Re: Guitar Pickup

Any opinions on effects processors?  I'd like to be = able to=20 get a variety of tones and strange whatnots before the signal = hits my=20 RC-50.

On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:

Baggs M1A, THE best.
On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sam = Nilsson=20 wrote:

Scott Kellogg = wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed = ad=20 nauseum, but what's the guitar pickup all the cool kids = are using=20 these days?  I have a Seagull cedar acoustic that = plays=20 really nicely and has a pleasant-but-average tone. =  I'm=20 interested in processing the signal before it gets to my = looper,=20 and would like to be able to pick up taps and other = percussive=20 slaps on the body of the = instrument.
While we're on the topic, what you = think=20 of the new crop of 'acoustic guitar' processors that are = on the=20 market (e.g. the Fishman stuff, Korg, Boss, etc.)? =  My=20 original plan was to loop with my electric basses, but my=20 singer-songwriter groove is coming back, and maybe the = guitar will=20 be in my path as well as a bass.  Then again, an = acoustic=20 guitar with an octaver makes good=20 basslines.

K&K Sound's Pure system has = gotten=20 positive reviews from people that I have met. When I tried = it, I=20 thought it had a nice fairly natural sound. *Much* nicer = than a=20 piezo.

http://www.kksound.com/acousticguitar.html#pure

- Sam



--
Solve et coagula.
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:06:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA25E3BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 6465689/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0BAI7xG0hPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqyCCQg Message-ID: <481C5536.2060904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:06:14 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> In-Reply-To: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:06:11 +0000 (UTC) I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, but this might still be useful. Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on the low octave. (pitching upwards has a slight delay) Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be pleasant, but not the natural sound of the instrument. The upwards pitching is significantly flat. (as can be heard on the EH demos ) >From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd expect a similar sort of result with flute to that with guitar (except that with the higher pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital artefacts and flatness will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce your doubts about buying without trying. andy Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm > particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for > harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer > so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to > mind). > > Ian. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19FAA3BF2A; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 9522076/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0BAELyG0hPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqyKCQg Message-ID: <481C5598.9000002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:07:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp References: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Kzty.A.ap.TWFHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Rocks :-) ...It was his idea, and I didn't even think I'd use it at first. L.A. Angulo wrote: > Andy you rock man thanx!!! > got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about > cheers > Luis > > > --- andy butler wrote: > >> check out the EDP function >> >> RecordMode=SAF >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:09:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57FB3BF2B; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006d01c8ad16$aa628c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> <481C5536.2060904@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:10:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try it/them. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7EBD3BF12; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C766E.6000306@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:27:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list References: <003201c8a59b$fbbcd6b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <003201c8a59b$fbbcd6b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > Oddly enough, the intent is not a popularity list, just a hook the > journalists list so they can start A journalist who doesn't know of David Torn, but knows Eddie Vedder (which I have never heard of btw...) should be told an allegory: If you would want to write about electric guitarists, and have never heard about Jimi Hendrix, and need some explanation, the likeliness, that the kids of your average reader know more about the issue than you, is too obvious. Better let someone else write about it, to prevent him from getting into an embarrassing situation... Give them the list, but advice them to let Per write the article... ;-) Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you should list famous pianists, any list would be more of a personal reference, and would be far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete list would be unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano is an established instrument. We are heading into the state of looping being an established instrument, because a complete list is as likely to be too big, as incomplete... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:33:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E243BF1E; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C77CE.5000003@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:33:50 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list References: <918212.57991.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BDCDA11-347C-4E22-9FDC-5E1263F77F73@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9BDCDA11-347C-4E22-9FDC-5E1263F77F73@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Teddy Kumpel schrieb: > And.... unlike Igor Stravinski, I am cursed with a good memory... so i > dare not listen to any other loopers as I will certainly start to > imitate them. So I am lucky, as I don't play guitar, I just can't imitate guitarists, and as I have my own looping software, I can't imitate stomp box loopers either. That means a lot of opportunities to listen to music without danger... ;-) Music making is about listening, and even Joe had to listen to the musicians he was playing with, and for a musician of his calibre, that was obviously more than sufficient... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB6D3BF25; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C797A.9060707@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:40:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [cycling74-announcements] Product and Workshop News References: <024001c8a65e$f9e9e0d0$7f09e00a@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004f01c8a667$1b9326d0$52b97470$@com> In-Reply-To: <004f01c8a667$1b9326d0$52b97470$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6HNxlD.A.mjE.7lHHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda schrieb: > Hey Kris > the product looks good! How long do you expect it will take for you to > migrate to it? BTW, Has anyone on the list used Jitter? I own jitter for a long time, but the only patch I made was a patch to turn the angle of a flute, watched by a camera, into controller data. Was fun to create and easier achieved than I thought. But beside that I have not too much experience. Migration to Max 5 isn't a too big deal, it looks different, its much more convenient to patch. But most patches will just run in Max 5. Only drawback is the vst integration, as it doesn't play old pluggos, and a new Max 5 compatible pluggo isn't there yet... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:50:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3C73BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o8tYhk7xn2g+3Wk1C2RY7S22U+81gljrPa/XZciYmqoMY7QaIHR+7G+i/ohWyPZMd0pg9Y3bqf5CKB2g9m0hoqyiTqnmQOSajqVj+1iMDX5yu4OkHfs1VUxR+0evchNwTCb1jwvd5eq4cmQ+0NNaN0qLqRGHdGoERSZRJc+jgsU=; X-YMail-OSG: W2nqoXAVM1nP4bwSmxlILq.fIcDHEeC4RuFWehfEwJy5sbyS1coFlnRDbJ6xqAik7eYt0r28uXNm41S5.LNRGYAAns8K36Uj.qT3CKoxUdH5tyEJeL.lGQXucaU- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C5598.9000002@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <940572.17904.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1sH3sC.A.6KF.6uHHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:50:35 +0000 (UTC) well he rocks for inventing it and u rock for telling me and you both rock better than Elvis! Luis --- andy butler wrote: > Matthias Rocks :-) > ...It was his idea, and I didn't even think I'd use > it at first. > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Andy you rock man thanx!!! > > got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > --- andy butler wrote: > > > >> check out the EDP function > >> > >> RecordMode=SAF > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E16E3BF28; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2cXfGy38qS8npsbZclTcezWSgDIyshI3J71L7F0WCLs=; b=tCTi/4NfS6uUIfCjqSnrJGDbijdx+/Ygg8GE0O8X0bPkYkjQ3pmw+1MnFLmubwYqwunbwSrz5xSE1yKaOpnZ3qpgbdM8jTyPq6VM2mkJTdLvGLFKvBTNaCK9y09I5DmVQM2kKwv8dLgMQluloYVO7Q3mPbKsHnBjzSd3Gy5WLAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PkrlQJUQsRCbwIz+UOYCoj0xRvAAjxSvjCwxzkpR7dXKKEJh5D/0VMnmrc9EZ9cShklrjdtV5tgMSRAkuGcC7dGMDexemA5XYR38Pg0VxlhUtKLlmhdlCngTTN4LMOqX/7/5FlSTwxZJRR6jl9erbo2WHdTtFgwsiv7krnmHx8M= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805030925n23b3cfearc63c0adc1ff80fbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:25:29 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors In-Reply-To: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392" References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing flute->organ. If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks. My two cents. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm > particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for harmony/octave > effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer so have no way of > getting to try them out before buying (that comes to mind). > > Ian. > > > ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing flute->organ.

    If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks.

    My two cents.


    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
        Hi,
     
    Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to mind).
     
    Ian.
     


    ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9923BF29; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c8ad3a$c3c97f50$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> <8c82d1660805030925n23b3cfearc63c0adc1ff80fbd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:28:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Patrick=20 Thanks. Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Suler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of = sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology = down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an = organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing = flute->organ. If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better = off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if = you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks. My two cents. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell = wrote: Hi, Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - = I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to = mind). Ian. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Patrick
     
    Thanks.
     
    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Patrick=20 Suler
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 = 5:25=20 PM
    Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro = Pog - was=20 effects processors

    Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its = multiplicity of=20 sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology = down.=20 However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. = Guitar=20 ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing=20 flute->organ.

    If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're = probably=20 a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians = Friend,=20 and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks.

    My two = cents.


    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian = Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> = wrote:
        Hi,
     
    Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments = other than=20 guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout = for=20 harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local = dealer so=20 have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to=20 mind).
     
    Ian.
     


    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:41:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0A33BF30; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tGqw3L5qBGo+tAvFe3awS1DUT4/vkN5g3N61KJQdsOXslCaJxmEvwW0zrKyupaIDnC5Q4IFWV8wH56wFIxD2K7S1EuplG4kr/UHjdINcHSDFb+VIkUL7SPqS7P9V3LknYd+QjipSk4NUapR/cM6BOgy7VS3/geKsMnf+j/Jvq2M=; X-YMail-OSG: Dui8QDEVM1m.juISPqi8pq_MAePxY6NDXbFQ09j22Pajas2a1IUuGHxWPgA1F0.99yWRFL2PoJw_tm08NqgFlV6ZaXl8NfudjRt_1.OIf_NAw10IjCCSnx51BGg- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:41:40 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Graham Subject: Re: [cycling74-announcements] Product and Workshop News To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C797A.9060707@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:41:44 +0000 (UTC) I'm using Jitter to capture my motions when I perform to manipulate audio in (pitch mainly), it also creates a nice visual using the absolute difference of the visuals being grabbed. I've started using this live, and it's a lot of fun. I have a video up on my blog. http://rickygraham.blogspot.com Cheers, Ricky --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Qua Veda schrieb: > > Hey Kris > > the product looks good! How long do you expect > it will take for you to > > migrate to it? BTW, Has anyone on the list > used Jitter? > > I own jitter for a long time, but the only patch I > made was a patch to > turn the angle of a flute, watched by a camera, into > controller data. > Was fun to create and easier achieved than I > thought. But beside that I > have not too much experience. > > Migration to Max 5 isn't a too big deal, it looks > different, its much > more convenient to patch. But most patches will just > run in Max 5. > > Only drawback is the vst integration, as it doesn't > play old pluggos, > and a new Max 5 compatible pluggo isn't there yet... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6FE33BF1C; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:58:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Zak No I haven't played it. Schoenberg's shop will let you return stuff if you don't like it if you return it soon enough and in good condition. It's in Tiburon California - if you're anywhere near there. That's in the Bay Area. If I hadn't bought so much stuff this year I'd buy it and find out. Morton's reputation is very very good. And while I haven't heard stainless, it's a fascinating idea. You MIGHT consider the electric reso's that that fellow Stewart makes. It's yet another Object of Uncontrollable Lust for me. One thing about reso guitars is they are feedback machines. I've never used mine in the band setting - only solo and for late night magic carpet rides. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 9:46 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. > However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell > than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which > attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked > through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as > well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, > guitar. > > One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to > compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) > Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two > and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I > can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, > so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work > with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a > Lo Fi Loop Junky! > > Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering > what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? > > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ --Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Zak No I haven't played it. Schoenberg's shop will let you return stuff if you don't like it if you return it soon enough and in good condition. It's in Tiburon California - if you're anywhere near there. That's in the Bay Area. If I hadn't bought so much stuff this year I'd buy it and find out. Morton's reputation is very very good. And while I haven't heard stainless, it's a fascinating idea. You MIGHT consider the electric reso's that that fellow Stewart makes. It's yet another Object of Uncontrollable Lust for me. One thing about reso guitars is they are feedback machines. I've never used mine in the band setting - only solo and for late night magic carpet rides. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 9:46 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ --Apple-Mail-2--401505487-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 17:08:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1911F3BF37; Sat, 3 May 2008 17:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 350 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:16 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407950.40140.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=25pnqhi2YD7VynXNBNql5sXFcLHgYmHJ+7RrZqI0iFG2ZwJJOb9RHRx/depbYT0pxnYdiXix3Z7s9BdXwowz+ubazT9jlI8v2mMe5t7jl1E+XKBb5MnR6txqTNJQ+NKvhGC8ofV6oBuEQrlZWXTBq1fqoQuCRYVZyU9K4w8zMt4=; X-YMail-OSG: 3Hi04A0VM1l4c_mq_ePzwiphuv4ioBuL0TzMHxIJxgxcJLXAl5BRBzMPR6sj_nkuIOgLjcj.UrWV_RG96UWSnltg0U5uJ28iRUOPq68tRLwlEUclYODjMTJkhUM- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C766E.6000306@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:08:17 +0000 (UTC) That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout this whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not read all the posts and thought someone had probably already mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost every pedalboard you see out there has at least something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. Now whether or not all those pedals are being used for what we would consider live looping is another question, but it does raise the problem of determining who gets to be on such a list based on such a 'gray area' set of criteria. The list might consist of: 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style who've been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) or 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. or 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established their entire careers using looping as an integral element of their musical style. Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between these categories... We might also have to define 'well known': take someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly expanded the techniques of live looping and regularly pushes the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside of a comparatively small group of like-minded musicians. I would think someone like that would be more worthy of comment within our specialized community than would Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay or doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, but is clearly much more highly visible to the general public. -t- --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you > should list famous > pianists, any list would be more of a personal > reference, and would be > far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete > list would be > unbearable. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 18:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30283BF35; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=a0he/ucnGtXqe1pI3xkywyKGRoGtyQv6E1aJZGFWJmbokwkRE1N9igEhmnn8+swXTI7dxzmY9+IWUqRlPXXdl0t0nR1NqNjfwdHv0/tMR8phupxJAW7Jx3Iqbm3u1i8AJ/G8MGJ4lf0P72VtrwC8sxEv0G1DeLCVYLnJLf8ilcw= ; X-YMail-OSG: gfz3dygVM1nsb5R47mxfHlQ0J1QQKwuXS8D2P7JRLUOL0lALKisqaXqt_vldbVp.zToRIjbGueTr7lUP26R5U5F8Coti4Q_nMBSfDsGzVdVgAMRl_eeIBA_9u0u3GBjn88N5rj7ova2llJFsVSeBBN1r X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:31:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <0GOvVC.A.sjC.69KHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout this > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not read > all the posts and thought someone had probably already > mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being used for > what we would consider live looping is another > question, but it does raise the problem of determining > who gets to be on such a list based on such a 'gray > area' set of criteria. > > The list might consist of: > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style who've > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > or > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some > degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. > > or > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established their > entire careers using looping as an integral element of > their musical style. > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between these > categories... > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly expanded > the techniques of live looping and regularly pushes > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside of a > comparatively small group of like-minded musicians. I > would think someone like that would be more worthy of > comment within our specialized community than would > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay or > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, but > is clearly much more highly visible to the general > public. > > -t- > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you >> should list famous >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal >> reference, and would be >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete >> list would be >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano is >> an established >> instrument. >> We are heading into the state of looping being an >> established >> instrument, because a complete list is as likely to >> be too big, as >> incomplete... > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 18:36:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E0D3BF41; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ogwc4tfKBwcBUaYiciLLzM89dsbC00I8DfqCgwsld0E=; b=LtuojRJo5W4h+melJp4MS7dVpXHNVBtpavt8XM+9wHDeZ9ZHWEROBKVRaFuWf/jck62vkJ45pleRyrVP8xntGslzrkvaqfyTrThwH572arm2+nz/OeN2eye1UWwZCQnV5r9n+gvUExLpmWyNrlnp1FP2kVfRqHKsQUJyPoVyKi4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q28TEJuQs0FPd4fmRBOFSEU6IUW5DJowz37EgssVQBKIqTm2XfTdJU4MSom0OkWGVkb6NBrn5Wia3NS4pGFsCQrn9MQpS2cjb9gnTy8FVMdcTZh42eBVIr4C3EeowBHiCeuJWeXIUJMzR1bOHqDdgFp+q67npyIXzq5wWRnNlMI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:57 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138" References: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3ipkQB.A.NFD.KDLHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:36:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. I have two DL-4's in use in two different bands and I never loop with either of them (although I have used that hardware for looping in the past, just not in those bands). TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > > > > > ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no.

    I have two DL-4's in use in two different bands and I never loop with either of them (although I have used that hardware for looping in the past, just not in those bands).

    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then?





    ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DA13BF40; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaUMjHWRkxtQLmGkwUQ== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:07:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcitTKxOVbL185TDQtOyGjVuxFtDTQAAnxyA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or a "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:37:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4953BF2A; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c8ad55$12e370e0$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:37:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+HTHsWhgE8qqdGRZo6AZ/Z+mjc+IV1Q1svnU 8IJP3V2EnwzyqKBhvmw3DIDoyzPeR6NYQmQk/jDkWCPvb/OLFk vPiaEaFueLCiiaFfQSdiTYgp/ucXid3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:11 +0000 (UTC) having a looper on stage makes you a looper owner. at the moment you loop music live on stage - you are a looper. this is a variaton of what a clarinet teacher once tolde me: if you don't practice, you are not a player, you are just a clarinet owner. best - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: AW: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list >>> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? >> Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. > > I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument > (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or > a > "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates > the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay > models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B25A3BF07; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaUMjHWRkxtQLmGkwUQ== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:44:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: <005001c8ad55$12e370e0$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Thread-Index: AcitVRXSJkMMMSAKTmOya0kvbXbPrgAAIsqw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:43:53 +0000 (UTC) > this is a variaton of what a clarinet teacher once tolde me: > if you don't practice, you are not a player, you are just a > clarinet owner. I care to disagree: practising the clarinet makes you a clarinet practiser. But coming back to the original discussion, I do think I understand the point you're trying to make: only if you use a certain contraption to make loops you're a looper. The point I was trying to make is that it's very well possible to use the DL4s delay modes for looping. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:18:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9141B3BF0F; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:19:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a looper bugs me. First, is it really necessary to label people? Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people be a looper? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, is the Pope still Catholic? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:25:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EC73BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DHIvqyQdV6dcXlQO8Cv0iecT+oWjfWhRYgygYlByx/4=; b=RTl0SMhpafLto9Sdr9jmWnVs54vQjaMPZ1YfOl8veyxZ1MI8QpzdXazM1YhWxBPPZIISrGqlV4cfYC8lKuePtvRyqYQIMzVeGBMvfL2/4ZFohhRKXXV7fchqXDYGYuJGyNTJ/KzvrliIS3pYiO+9OTJ4YMSsEKO6XJv4tg7Bb4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RqIGck/bv5wKv2HWOL3tuCPRqrk3BnkTMgwAHtWEpBUQJ+CFjE/paZfrc3jD63gZezG0KKSzUzUBMpL9B65GQlPbcrgwSJ62otz1DjWA7FJai11SuGcGeokZMnK5H8mKtyEeiJ/nv7uy6+gkZRCMm+YWyiouQL6/Yb1jycKt5Hg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:25:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:25:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Somewhere around a second or so, determining the actual time isn't really the point, it's the intended application. The overwhelming majority of people who use delays in non-experimental music use them as slapback or around 350ms with six repeats set to around 30% wet mix. Look at all the presets in multieffectors that have delay for examples. Various "conventional" musicians have made use of a short delay with sample/hold as the basis for a song (Eric Johnson's "Soulful Terrain", Bloc Party's "Like Eating Glass"), but I'd hesitate to call them "live loopers". I've played slide guitar on a few songs over the years (like, three), and even if I have a slide sitting on top my amp I wouldn't call myself a "slide guitarist". Fripp's revox Frippertronics-era stuff typically used something around 4 seconds, with the feedback set fairly high but taking advantage of the saturation and filtering effects of the delay's analog tape qualities. I don't think he typically (if at all) made use of a "hold" mode with that setup (and I'm not sure if the two Revox setup really allows for that since there's no actual tape loop and the analog/mechanical feedback loop alters the signal at every repeat no matter what you do). He'd improvise eight minutes or so of ambient backing, rewind the tape reel and then solo over that. Because he was using the tape system, he ended up with a complete record of step two, but none of the soloing, and this is what made up "Let The Power Fall". With the original EH16 I believe he started to explore the technique of creating a loop, freezing it, soloing over it, adding some more, soloing some more, etc. And once the 2290's showed up, almost anything was possible. TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. > > I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument > (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or > a > "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates > the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay > models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) > > ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Somewhere around a second or so, determining the actual time isn't really the point, it's the intended application.  The overwhelming majority of people who use delays in non-experimental music use them as slapback or around 350ms with six repeats set to around 30% wet mix.  Look at all the presets in multieffectors that have delay for examples.  Various "conventional" musicians have made use of a short delay with sample/hold as the basis for a song (Eric Johnson's "Soulful Terrain", Bloc Party's "Like Eating Glass"), but I'd hesitate to call them "live loopers".  I've played slide guitar on a few songs over the years (like, three), and even if I have a slide sitting on top my amp I wouldn't call myself a "slide guitarist".

    Fripp's revox Frippertronics-era stuff typically used something around 4 seconds, with the feedback set fairly high but taking advantage of the saturation and filtering effects of the delay's analog tape qualities.  I don't think he typically (if at all) made use of a "hold" mode with that setup (and I'm not sure if the two Revox setup really allows for that since there's no actual tape loop and the analog/mechanical feedback loop alters the signal at every repeat no matter what you do).  He'd improvise eight minutes or so of ambient backing, rewind the tape reel and then solo over that.  Because he was using the tape system, he ended up with a complete record of step two, but none of the soloing, and this is what made up "Let The Power Fall".

    With the original EH16 I believe he started to explore the technique of creating a loop, freezing it, soloing over it, adding some more, soloing some more, etc.  And once the 2290's showed up, almost anything was possible.

    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then?
    > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no.

    I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument
    (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or a
    "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates
    the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay
    models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?)


    ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD7EB3BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TVNU+ERwstxj+8dR3SePcc9PHYYivleQkXYpH88HA2w=; b=N13EQ8ZdUzbpobWo0zHqRslPqdRvvvWYX76lXU7Ld+NLzYRcjLRNlmlRPCothmV1MJS9m/ERz85iPNjw56x/aLT44PxrebXjNoGjwDUZOHInEbYEBl4JCaeX9DhKLQYYl9rAhOP73Igl/tSy9mjAheWapQSgGWCVoyUmzLdm5p8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K3ZlM4RzFrEsjdmOis31ojJatQCz940201qsiV097oHAqyGToxXwfOMHSYdz0WeETNI3mtNdZ7/j/R1v5fWhyJnuLl3r6+t9b5MBN6V+ZRp4QmMmW3NjzPyzrn45XLM75hhf70jxYzgmB+Ed4/RfWHb+/3RXuYVxb4EIn58jrMM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:30:22 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281" References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> Resent-Message-ID: <0EfKb.A.hxC.gtMHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa. [2] No. [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music qualifies you as a musician. TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do you > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't the > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people > be a looper? > ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> wrote:
    [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music?  [2] Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper?  [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people be a looper?

    ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:49:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F013BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_" X-Originating-IP: [77.98.248.142] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2008 20:49:48.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[39ADD0D0:01C8AD5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey there Luis =20 which Handsonic are u thinking of going for? i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after all the =A3=A3=A3s i have= spent on electric guitar fx and such this one little thing thats not even = my main instrument would become my favourate thing to play. =20 =20 Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to compliment it but am loo= king to know more about the sounds and if they really differ> problem...i a= m also thinking about getting the> handsonic for the very same reason,but s= omehow people> seem to get more turned on when you loop the real> thing> sp= ecially your voice!> cheers> Luis>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Discover and Win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/= --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey there Luis
     
    which Handsonic are u thinking of going for?
    i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after all the =A3=A3=A3s i have= spent on electric guitar fx and such this one little thing thats not even = my main instrument would become my favourate thing to play.
     
     
    Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to compliment it but am loo= king to know more about the sounds and if they really differ

    > pr= oblem...i am also thinking about getting the
    > handsonic for the very= same reason,but somehow people
    > seem to get more turned on when you= loop the real
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    > specially your voice!
    > cheers> Luis
    >

    Messenger's gone Mobile! = Get it now! = --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:10:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19AE3BF2B; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 471 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:10:21 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cikira@fairpoint.net@pop3.fairpoint.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:01:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Cikira (Amanda)" Subject: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:10:21 +0000 (UTC) >At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>>the looping >>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>>many guitarists >> > > and loopers). >> >>http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html > >WTF?!? > >Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? Hello all, BIG NOTE: I forwarded the full posting with Kevin's name. Matrix chose to post it as he did. If it were my blog, I would have written Kevin to ask his permission to make the re-post. Perhaps this is matrix' policy on these things. While I'm not in favor of it, I'm not surprised by anything people do on the net. I've had my own words re-posted various places, both with and without credit, so I have always regarded that as something to expect if the content gets people's attention. >First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an >email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That >point is always debatable. Forwarding interesting news to matrixsynth's blog is routinely done by his friends around the net. What Kevin had to say was obviously of great interest to the Moog fans. >But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has >completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information >off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for >his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead >written by the person that stole the post. On the issue of crediting the source I agree with you completely, Per. So now you know that I didn't 'steal' Kevin's post. Just for background on me, I lurked in this list for several years, left for several years, and am reading digests again. I moderate the SynthSights list (there's an URL for it in my sig), where we discuss strategies for getting creative, plus anything else that piques our interest. Terrific and thought provoking topics around here! Cheers, -- Amanda SynthSights! "it's not about the gear" Come join us! Info. at: www.synthsights.net *_ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ www.cikira.com | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | ~~~~~~ www.redmoon-music.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:15:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6193BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899005.90085.bm@omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wN1tgOttNPZdMrlO79yuc2ACSDP3B9n3SllTZSN5B/QgfVgIA/PhWWacJUZW/96T0kB5qAlBAheoYu3vH7DD3GOtrl1dxlUN551POo4JU0rdlGcKJLkDC0PEl8jX+O5FNyEGzf3v++Kbl8SbdeLKLFEqaogcG5BlPR0rTsxJ6Ek=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Jm2ancVM1n0l.AquzMsTQ.SX4K6xIdGzP5y5Bjew_iuqSlvrZFcJGeFSebVg_WZFVS3JLOiqUx2Lafu41AK8kmcxXVzJycAL6behyzWkqtiatzW95TTmPrhEoE- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688606.54719.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Uh, did I say that??? I thought my post was more about the futility of categorizing players based on the equipment they use (or own) than by HOW they use it. I'm not specifically picking on the DL4 (I have and use a DL4 and its big brother the EchoPro); I just used it to illustrate my point since it's so ubiquitous. Players in any of the three very different categories I gave as examples could very well use a DL4. For some of them, looping would be an integral part of their music. For others it might be a very small part of it. I remember about a decade ago we had a similar discussion about whether or not Eberhard Weber was a 'proper' looper because although he was an early EDP user, it was felt by some listmembers that he didn't really use (or CHOOSE to use) it as more than a (very nice) delay. That's not a value judgement about the quality of his music. I don't think there are very many people on this list who would say "Music is only enjoyable if it features looping." And before anyone jumps on me for implying that using long delays isn't 'proper' looping, that's not what I said either. Sheeesh. -t- --- Matt Stevens wrote: > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" > loopers then? > > > On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout > this > > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not > read > > all the posts and thought someone had probably > already > > mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost > > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being used > for > > what we would consider live looping is another > > question, but it does raise the problem of > determining > > who gets to be on such a list based on such a > 'gray > > area' set of criteria. > > > > The list might consist of: > > > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style > who've > > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > > > or > > > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some > > degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. > > > > or > > > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established > their > > entire careers using looping as an integral > element of > > their musical style. > > > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between > these > > categories... > > > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly > expanded > > the techniques of live looping and regularly > pushes > > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside > of a > > comparatively small group of like-minded > musicians. I > > would think someone like that would be more worthy > of > > comment within our specialized community than > would > > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay > or > > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, > but > > is clearly much more highly visible to the general > > public. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine > you > >> should list famous > >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal > >> reference, and would be > >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a > complete > >> list would be > >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano > is > >> an established > >> instrument. > >> We are heading into the state of looping being an > >> established > >> instrument, because a complete list is as likely > to > >> be too big, as > >> incomplete... > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http:// > > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:21:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C193BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 6629587/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8BAN9zHEhPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqm+CQg Message-ID: <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:21:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) and the Pope? Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > qualifies you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > wrote: > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of people be a looper? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:48:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F4A3BF3C; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3d0CVhPpnQL9l//fnst1WCAdTpf4MnhwZCZV0h97SFE=; b=Lw842vINxUt5+eV+KNK/ov/finydgS2HFpz4WcxwFwkzM243RIvAkUAxOQuAoljkViNizbW3yUm4nsE4hu0mXV6+5yLn8Gv3i3xiAkUL8m8bhOy1XDuNxMdTNUzxWteA5lOXZNkGs70wa7v6NPtE/y6ZAV2Ncm0fwXkfWP+PPGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=vcFR4zCTBRlf/riNH24JruVlkHukoTb6gAhjP+PcXaEaSrZxs1u/nWsrogeRE1iO5+ibCHvZiY917zYZrX0bOu1+AXrn2s7RyxES+of9duFv3BloIZOZJVzwIDS0CM+NGGAAFzukxIWO9djnSLzHqVdJkZGWSCj0rIoUWfZqy2s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:48:38 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235" References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a Pope bugs me. First, is it really necessary to label people?.. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM, andy butler wrote: > and the Pope? > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > > musician, not vice versa. > > [2] No. > > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > > of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > > qualifies you as a musician. > > > > > > TH > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > bobld@amstadt.com>> wrote: > > > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > > getting in front of people be a looper? > > > > > > > ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a Pope bugs me.  First, is it really necessary to label people?..

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
    and the Pope?

    Travis Hartnett wrote:
    [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com <mailto:bobld@amstadt.com>> wrote:

       [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music?  [2]
       Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper?    [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever
       getting in front of people be a looper?




    ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:50:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E3B3BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:50:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Nn9O4Q4SEKWyuTNW4nH7HYd6n1Ef4l++4zjg uvLK1pt/KkHDF2DUKteUKTRm6hmDKYPAPYkiRdhj4GGgbIFCp7 ptZA8cJdWctEM9o/AhJPsljMZFosQVv Resent-Message-ID: <3ix6NC.A.40H.Y4NHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:50:17 +0000 (UTC) > First, is it really necessary to label people? well, yes, in a discussion about terms (being kind of a labeling process in itself) it is perfectly okay to label people. > Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in > front of people be a looper? well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in your bedroom also makes you a looper. and as long as you don't tell anybody about it, there is no danger of getting labelled, either. ;o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 23:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD0C3BF3F; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c8ad73$06c88cf0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Indeed. Good question. And, is the grass always greener on the other side? ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: definition looper > and the Pope? > > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping >> musician, not vice versa. >> [2] No. >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence >> of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music >> qualifies you as a musician. >> >> >> TH >> >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > > wrote: >> >> [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] >> Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? >> [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever >> getting in front of people be a looper? >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 00:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97203BF3C; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:07:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I wanted to chime in here on this discussion with a couple of slalient points and a little procedural point. Firstly, this really should be an Off Topic post. Fascinating as it is, it is peripheral to the topic of looping. I've been guilty of this in the past but this is a courtesy that we promised people who are overwhelmed with this list and don't want to read Off Topic posts. Secondly, I have, indeed, performed with the nortorious Bob Brozman...............many, many times , in several coutries and on several albums of his. I know that he is deeply enamored of his Neumman 150 (K150?) condenser microphones. I believe he now travels with a pair of them. Thirdly, if here were dead (and may he live to be 105!) he would roll in the grave at the thread title. A National Steel Guitar and a Dobro, though sharing a resonator cone technology are considered to be different instruments. Bob, as strong minded as he can be (bless his uber intelligent and talented heart) HATES dobros. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 01:17:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FA403BF40; Sun, 4 May 2008 01:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:17:35 -0400 References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3n_AbB.A.YcD.06QHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:17:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list is getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a > looping musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The > presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. > Playing music qualifies you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of people be a looper? > --Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My God. = We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This = list is getting ridiculous. I love it, but come = on. 
    On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

    [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be = considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long = as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an = audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music = qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> = wrote:
    [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your = music?  [2] Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a = looper?  [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom = without ever getting in front of people be a looper?
    =


    = --Apple-Mail-1--371578083-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 02:57:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066633BF0F; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:57:14 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "Cikira (Amanda)" : > >> At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >>> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote= : >>>> > >>>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among =20 >>>> the looping >>>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 >>>> many guitarists >>> > > and loopers). >>> >>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html >> >> WTF?!? >> >> Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? > > > Hello all, > > BIG NOTE: I forwarded the full posting with Kevin's name. Matrix chose > to post it as he did. > > If it were my blog, I would have written Kevin to ask his permission to > make the re-post. Perhaps this is matrix' policy on these things. While > I'm not in favor of it, I'm not surprised by anything people do on the > net. I've had my own words re-posted various places, both with and > without credit, so I have always regarded that as something to expect > if the content gets people's attention. > >> First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an =20 >> email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. =20 >> That point is always debatable. > > Forwarding interesting news to matrixsynth's blog is routinely done by > his friends around the net. What Kevin had to say was obviously of > great interest to the Moog fans. > >> But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has =20 >> completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information =20 >> off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for =20 >> his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead =20 >> written by the person that stole the post. > > On the issue of crediting the source I agree with you completely, Per. > So now you know that I didn't 'steal' Kevin's post. > Hi! The only problem with the post being copied is that there was an =20 inaccurate detail -- namely that the Moog Guitar does NOT use "ebow =20 technology" -- that is, "Ebow" is a tradename. The technology is able =20 to add or subract energy from a vibrating string however it is Moog's =20 own technology and not Ebow's. This was an honest mistake and I am =20 mortified that my post was not completely accurate. Quoting posts can be uh... shall was say "dangerous living". On my website, I did an intentionally over-the-top rendition of the =20 Schubert Ave Maria with equally over-the-top silly notes: http://kevinkissinger.com/schubert.shtml Well, guess what? Another website picked up the notes and posted it =20 in a SERIOUS article about Franz Schubert. Apparently someone tipped =20 them off that the notes were a joke for I can't find the site on =20 Google anymore. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 02:59:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FDA23BF0E; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080503215941.h2uthg4feskgsco4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:41 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) References: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > > > Quoting posts can be uh... shall was say "dangerous living". > > On my website, I did an intentionally over-the-top rendition of the > Schubert Ave Maria with equally over-the-top silly notes: > > http://kevinkissinger.com/schubert.shtml > > Well, guess what? Another website picked up the notes and posted it in > a SERIOUS article about Franz Schubert. Apparently someone tipped them > off that the notes were a joke for I can't find the site on Google > anymore. > I found it! :D http://memaria.org/bai_da_dang/ave_maria_schubert/ They have a video of Pavarotti singing it and MY PROGRAM NOTES! HAHA! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 03:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE39B3BF12; Sun, 4 May 2008 03:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+PonzSJVnUR7HPbqOb4J51Sanmy/HUT+e3sdie4Lbrs=; b=Fcm1lHghfcGh3zSEixbljL+lk3BpQAr+HjHLrpa3hx8vjn7/yl1VonRNSO/o2T3t3aZX8wim3NLvuCnsm6Pj6wAb+FGliXPWZjo0HUfm6ja69k3b9vq1aEp0tluQD8VGP8YOUjoFJqgmPvARpHz3KkMZO4nlLszlLRuJvaeke7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rY2CT/A8WYr/LU4W+daemisWSnOOhT9QC2tsXAhM3K0LwA/6ZkxZzo6g0wkmfGr38n8ad9+ltlFDd65iNvSSwMEmL8t+O7fUC8/62vGqWixB2L3JcF0jeZ96+mbX/4A5hPMiq+F4KwLIpoQNRvlzeYkbead0Bow1tZ7PriSagC0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:22:26 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 03:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) Dennis On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list is > getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > > > > On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence of > an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music qualifies > you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do you > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't the > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people > be a looper? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 07:00:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741DF3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 07:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481D5EF7.4070200@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:00:07 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Tilmann Dehnhard schrieb: > well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in your bedroom also makes > you a looper. But if your girlfriend starts to complain about the loop, you better got to change the loop... btw. I prefer talking about the loop of love over talking about gear. "Shift the gear Honey, I'm about to come..." Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 08:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F92C3BEF8; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JXdHlXub9bml6DstEpl8Zp6VQDE48AHWsHxlludmE0SS3NTgfljlHBzHoDjG0vZ0JZxR7Ya0D4psMV3IFP+zeh/qRhhVi9dHreH3SOpIAH8/c1YvfKF6pVYJrS47v4fh5o2V+JABiPg3Lewsh1GOoFU+JmETzuQH+bF5ItkOqKY=; X-YMail-OSG: Q7rJ6HoVM1nA_jgJ7xp5hBlbZrGmh4sT2ikyFvRU135a5M5KKGMwQ5_KQvBnJTUPT8EBtRtJyh.bHeuXhONqyyXVGOhf5mqb7lzvBjBHOs5pwryLJBp3KG9zO9I- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: definition looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481D5EF7.4070200@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <266691.54079.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) really? what about if i loop in the garage? > Tilmann Dehnhard schrieb: > > well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in > your bedroom also makes > > you a looper. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 08:27:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8EB3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=a5f/I37QQCxt1us7ZaqapMfGnojrhJSZ5j088aBS9e4e359BDAm2gHxD6/8O8QJzg06oJtdGo2b1sUy0QYCfL9/33oTKSvU0mA4Q8vdVvqmMO+qac0QvvvkZyKsiH+Nn5jy+DN6DySAj79SDi1zCENpARY/me1cTBJ14slYYjHE=; X-YMail-OSG: 6vbL7lAVM1lHja6k6VPC3rs3rapFBPgNOIp6pJyODQaE9mfoIF3Tdjfi7t0z0MLnLG0bTWuCESABRBYVOKz7_zR9bA1PfbDwkhEVyCt6TgDCFaNhq.ni78OyxpM- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080503215941.h2uthg4feskgsco4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <190351.19481.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:27:22 +0000 (UTC) wow,its amazing that he still has to read the text-chart but yes some lyrics are hard to memorize! Luis > I found it! :D > > http://memaria.org/bai_da_dang/ave_maria_schubert/ > > They have a video of Pavarotti singing it and MY > PROGRAM NOTES! HAHA! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:18:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3AE3BEF6; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z1fLUA/EOaRHi3C98/PS8J5jsclFm2Na4sLSjFUszfb6WDFeWRnfpSE7rYsqy+f8migtcKIls8Jk8Gl0NuKOM6DRAb26/c21inEUJqz3Vu/9M7YSQFNijo+dsau4xDEUUQNwO4HpYJSm5QsncQKqOO8RE4f48mh+0DsBU+Bb6NM=; X-YMail-OSG: M0P_HeMVM1kBMosPro5ATJCw_i9DSwXPF5NuDuoPPMsi1bzYF2vWyUcTx3WJyHsB3Xmy6jkVV0i4y.9ZFb_3SYZX0RZMW2lNni1WPWfS6_YWFAPYfNSngxrgrBo- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:18:30 +0000 (UTC) sorry mea culpa Rick for not writtng big O.T.! but because i am using microphones more and more lately and dealing with bleeding problems when i loop i am trying to minimize that as much as possible,though still trying to play a real instrument and looping his authentic sound. I was told here that dobros sound like dobros only through a microphone and that there wasnt really any convincing pickups for them unless you get really expensive ones made specially for them,ive toyed around with the possiblity of getting something like the variax or the vg-99 but with time i am getting tired of all of this instrument simulations and getting to appreciate the real thing more and more.I havent loop with a drum machine synced to the EDPs since my last gig in Brescia Italy and ive distanced myself from my sampler lately as well...now the handsonic certainly looks very attractive but lately i feel better looping real instruments and then coming in with my "woodbox" or Cajon for a groove.At the begining i used to have terrible feedback problems with the cajon and acoustic but Ive solved the problem by sticking pillows inside it and sticking a feedback buster on my acoustic.I am even looking for a feeback buster that will fit the soundhole of the cajon! Listening to looper cats like Ash grunwald or matt taylor from australia and seeing some of their videos on youtube caught my interest on a dobro,although those guitars do feel a bit madmax they really sound like nothing else! Luis --- Rick Walker wrote: > Hi, I wanted to chime in here on this discussion > with > a couple of slalient points and a little procedural > point. > > Firstly, this really should be an Off Topic post. > Fascinating as it is, it is peripheral to the topic > of looping. > I've been guilty of this in the past but this is a > courtesy that we promised > people who are overwhelmed with this list and don't > want to read Off Topic > posts. > > > > Secondly, I have, indeed, performed with the > nortorious Bob > Brozman...............many, many times , > in several coutries and on several albums of his. > > I know that he is deeply enamored of his Neumman 150 > (K150?) condenser > microphones. > I believe he now travels with a pair of them. > > Thirdly, if here were dead (and may he live to be > 105!) he would roll in > the grave > at the thread title. A National Steel Guitar > and a Dobro, though > sharing a resonator > cone technology are considered to be different > instruments. Bob, as > strong minded > as he can be (bless his uber intelligent and > talented heart) HATES dobros. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:30:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC0E3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JR/mAue+G3UmDonIeRwqMg939rIn/zc2kXWUd9nDW44=; b=rxmLAfVzLrcTPaBZyEJeg5WkvcpxylznbPxuiABelcaL1n2q7tQbl/pCC6vZyxNOUQCYlG+Mf3mdo2P1r5EPHJW+3xmeMITuvNagQhGWYlxWnlUSPXYgFHk+BOQAnMvedKE1BQUbGtUTWAClb3URE3N7rNtFdmdvDDClyZNGUN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CQcD1UIJAlFpk+4AXUxlAoqzsBHndd6GplvhDQhyBGV8Jh4AqWFLMSoB7xbe4Wao//AbFyMVcO+7vd7dxRzx2QvSg8PudtBE5S7Vry6D5aBmdvPX28MqJkBQyOQAaS9+Jq14THpi0O3dReQzPXoxzNE7pWgp9uCP7YyvCWVaXuU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805040230l6e057068k34ffddfbd6e1811b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:30:14 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar In-Reply-To: <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > feel better looping real instruments and then coming > in with my "woodbox" or Cajon for a groove.At the > begining i used to have terrible feedback problems > with the cajon and acoustic but Ive solved the problem > by sticking pillows inside it and sticking a feedback > buster on my acoustic. Hi Luis, I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he and the Cajon player of another band we shared the stage with used contact mics for the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We bought ours at Bugbrand, http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9BC3BEF9; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RlZrX5NP3IIjsWdYP639MyhBNa6CnlhiJ4E3iA1SK/AkuYjfMiDKRnKo9Dt1WskoIMm5zxo1bXxbDE1WQZ+WV3JmE/UPolTJ5mAd5om7FffKjMB6BGEGsprRMZ6Ya1NY5dHd8nThbLEKxz/TmuobBVRnR19mknqI6TYtOTnZIwE=; X-YMail-OSG: 94jkbTUVM1lLu..tmwZymhP5bT6qHn7.wIqTThWdKjMo9bvx.H0YtJzrgu5YUPmxV9rMwoDkEw.U.8IfRnp6V.NliaxAWpBjz6knVx55XL9gHN_HBwxkVp4Ap2Q- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <688606.54719.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <798558.40866.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) very interesting topic alhtough it keeps surfacing every now and then,i was just thinking about that last night,would it bother you loopers if somebody use delays only and not loop at a loop festival?or sing a song with minimum looping? I remeber Go Nakamura apologizing at one of the loop festivals for singing a song without looping... Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Uh, did I say that??? I thought my post was more > about > the futility of categorizing players based on the > equipment they use (or own) than by HOW they use it. > > I'm not specifically picking on the DL4 (I have and > use a DL4 and its big brother the EchoPro); I just > used it to illustrate my point since it's so > ubiquitous. Players in any of the three very > different > categories I gave as examples could very well use a > DL4. For some of them, looping would be an integral > part of their music. For others it might be a very > small part of it. > > I remember about a decade ago we had a similar > discussion about whether or not Eberhard Weber was a > 'proper' looper because although he was an early EDP > user, it was felt by some listmembers that he didn't > really use (or CHOOSE to use) it as more than a > (very > nice) delay. That's not a value judgement about the > quality of his music. I don't think there are very > many people on this list who would say "Music is > only > enjoyable if it features looping." > > And before anyone jumps on me for implying that > using > long delays isn't 'proper' looping, that's not what > I > said either. Sheeesh. > > -t- > > --- Matt Stevens > wrote: > > > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" > > loopers then? > > > > > > On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > That's exactly what I've been thinking > throughout > > this > > > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've > not > > read > > > all the posts and thought someone had probably > > already > > > mentioned it, but it really does seem that > almost > > > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > > > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > > > > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being > used > > for > > > what we would consider live looping is another > > > question, but it does raise the problem of > > determining > > > who gets to be on such a list based on such a > > 'gray > > > area' set of criteria. > > > > > > The list might consist of: > > > > > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style > > who've > > > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > > > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > > > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate > some > > > degree of live looping into a variety of > contexts. > > > > > > or > > > > > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established > > their > > > entire careers using looping as an integral > > element of > > > their musical style. > > > > > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between > > these > > > categories... > > > > > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > > > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly > > expanded > > > the techniques of live looping and regularly > > pushes > > > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside > > of a > > > comparatively small group of like-minded > > musicians. I > > > would think someone like that would be more > worthy > > of > > > comment within our specialized community than > > would > > > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay > > or > > > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, > > but > > > is clearly much more highly visible to the > general > > > public. > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje > wrote: > > >> Another thought about this list of fame: > Imagine > > you > > >> should list famous > > >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal > > >> reference, and would be > > >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a > > complete > > >> list would be > > >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the > piano > > is > > >> an established > > >> instrument. > > >> We are heading into the state of looping being > an > > >> established > > >> instrument, because a complete list is as > likely > > to > > >> be too big, as > > >> incomplete... > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ______________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http:// > > > > > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D273BF02; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6CT8QVtqoxSFRANxXQpw77s/u+TA6BLra7amp9MbrUwGyRWEuMIdmP/3XP4v08fGTGYcgtYGiI3LxknrgcU6igXjzMRtER88DfLOLLlg6rVkHjlW3cv2I6qRrEDotIlQ63jfG0rDBUtAYykZNnfRqeKXJxsCj2uabq4dKEi5NA0=; X-YMail-OSG: GSWsP.EVM1mkF9T2e2wC_BrYKUlVjEj9vM2yr3HjHEIyGohSPrbkH7AfZQ_Bqs_KIkcHe1rG7lcTp5K03uhaRzXbWFQ05ywLEMr3N.x3SRDuLWNf0.DusWxNWSE- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805040230l6e057068k34ffddfbd6e1811b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <890989.32908.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Great tip Per thanx a lot for the link! cheers Luis > > Hi Luis, > > I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he > and the Cajon > player of another band we shared the stage with used > contact mics for > the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We > bought ours at > Bugbrand, > http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43DB53BF01; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bRQPQGXSk29cWkUzsmmDARBs/4alImIYVXj1QL3eW8Is67ZlYpItDW2oVZ/hgyS5oG7FUX/d/EtFWisEioQC4rDbrVI1ruGz72Qr2PAC0T7mcmMfU80cTWLXuVxEE5yq+j2F7/wTEdxNL8MpOqLbtXIqvu0pYfOWZ5WryY8qwso=; X-YMail-OSG: W1ssvPkVM1mX0ghl.VthAaItlLh5S6epoZAcEj85v_DmYrdHDXFGG0DTUW6iViPssfAzpPcXZBq_AFAp3_9QnNCjjf6EqSa4s1mXc7KTGLpwl3PDuqOm78zBv3I- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <207861.62160.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2O6xz.A.imG.0NYHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey Phill, yes ive been checking out the hpd10,it does sound really nice,the conga sounds are impressive! cheers Luis --- phillip wilson wrote: > > hey there Luis > > which Handsonic are u thinking of going for? > i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after > all the s i have spent on electric guitar fx and > such this one little thing thats not even my main > instrument would become my favourate thing to play. > > > Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to > compliment it but am looking to know more about the > sounds and if they really differ> problem...i am > also thinking about getting the> handsonic for the > very same reason,but somehow people> seem to get > more turned on when you loop the real> thing> > specially your voice!> cheers> Luis> > _________________________________________________________________ > > Discover and Win with Live Search > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:51:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93A43BEFB; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ck2hUicFSx3sMIEnOske4Un2Nsgj7dxxiRwo3h4N4JdKPDtHIfqJaO+tNCT9udBnJ+H0eWagQK3bMlZ005IpSW7p3HTnkoWk6HVS5AbP0LrjxrdTE63G4RLHaN+l1+Ff4lH2KAmZ0ytzVBUuFsNqS8Rwf0mhV21YyA6jaj968U4=; X-YMail-OSG: UNejfL8VM1m9NX46p02QVBdHIwZLeGq3F3oZAAK16fagCfGnvFL_kPGOrW8rxDThXcZL54QkkkfyZvy4lmu1l17khwoO5DSn9t65a7g_qanXoFHeFKQMzSkCee0- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c8ad16$aa628c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <643741.52803.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) the micro pog is one of the best pedals ive bought,i just which it had the poly mode like in the OC-3 where ony certain strings track the octave and the rest of the strings remain normal,very smart feature on the Boss OC-3! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try > it/them. > > Ian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects > processors > > > > I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, > > but this might still be useful. > > > > Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on > the low octave. > > (pitching upwards has a slight delay) > > Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be > pleasant, but not the > > natural sound of the instrument. > > > > The upwards pitching is significantly flat. > > (as can be heard on the EH demos ) > > > > From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd > expect a similar sort > > of result with flute to that with guitar (except > that with the higher > > pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital > artefacts and flatness > > will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce > your doubts about buying > > without trying. > > > > andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments > other than guitars - I'm > >> particularly thinking of flute - always on the > lookout for harmony/octave > >> effects that track well and sound good. No local > dealer so have no way of > >> getting to try them out before buying (that comes > to mind). > >> Ian. > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 10:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55E13BF00; Sun, 4 May 2008 10:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c8add4$a67d4a40$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <643741.52803.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:50:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors the micro pog is one of the best pedals ive bought,i just which it had the poly mode like in the OC-3 where ony certain strings track the octave and the rest of the strings remain normal,very smart feature on the Boss OC-3! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try > it/them. > > Ian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects > processors > > > > I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, > > but this might still be useful. > > > > Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on > the low octave. > > (pitching upwards has a slight delay) > > Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be > pleasant, but not the > > natural sound of the instrument. > > > > The upwards pitching is significantly flat. > > (as can be heard on the EH demos ) > > > > From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd > expect a similar sort > > of result with flute to that with guitar (except > that with the higher > > pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital > artefacts and flatness > > will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce > your doubts about buying > > without trying. > > > > andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments > other than guitars - I'm > >> particularly thinking of flute - always on the > lookout for harmony/octave > >> effects that track well and sound good. No local > dealer so have no way of > >> getting to try them out before buying (that comes > to mind). > >> Ian. > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A4E3BEF9; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481D9A24.4030005@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:12:36 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sensor technology References: <010a01c8a7d1$604de420$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: <010a01c8a7d1$604de420$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham schrieb: > I've uploaded a new research video > http://rickygraham.blogspot.com/ > > Sensors. MSP. Arduino. etc. > > Check it. Let me know your thoughts. I think its brilliant. Shows very well how far one can get beyond commercial gear/tools by creating them yourself. Max/MSP/Jitter is just one option... The pressure sensor part though was more a technical demonstration than something as part of an instrument. But its hard to show on a video this kind of sensoral expression... One would have to feel it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:38:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F162A3BF04; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:38:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:09 +0000 (UTC) And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned here a couple of months ago - pre-release? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: definition looper > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > Dennis > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: >> My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list >> is >> getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. >> >> >> >> On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping >> musician, not vice versa. >> [2] No. >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence >> of >> an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music >> qualifies >> you as a musician. >> >> >> TH >> >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do >> > you >> have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't >> the >> guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of >> people >> be a looper? >> > >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 13:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F37A3BEF1; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 93695.21352.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s86YzVEzYo8+JMXxU/j1/VUkTrxjQ3O9FJSDSjy5Pmj1q3GU+4BgEG2SlCOFDkRC4Aopzi14aPKnwV8VetfdOzOknpwrbzdZi5WaED88i8cVCQtiheCdMi6nb2W/eAdW6IolOtdpvr8PcuspF7wsUVJJIAvh7yXb1C9F3qutRO4=; X-YMail-OSG: 69IeanMVM1mAxUlCLrQhP5UJomCIw1WHnGDsKTE.s4ygsjVl68wwDxZiRFWEkjL9Zwyr1gh9o2jePhakHryIiz4EFiHUacFo3Jv_9v7eSuI_aHkUaHl0pMOdF6Q- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <798558.40866.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <974284.31176.qm@web45114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0CV5oD.A.eRE.mTbHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > ...would it bother you loopers if somebody use > delays only and not loop at a loop festival?or sing > a song with minimum looping? That would depend on how it was presented. Personally (and considering it only in terms of musical enjoyment) I don't care at all what techniques or equipment a musician uses, and I find it pointless to try to pigeonhole music or musicians by genre, style, category, etc. except as a very general means of description. And I also consider that ANY real-time capture and playback of a performance DURING that performance as PART of that performance might be considered looping, and that is easily accomplished with open-ended delay. (Just look at all the people looping with DD-20s, for example.) But at the same time I can understand how the promoter (or an audience member) of an event specifically intended to showcase a certain technique might be irked if a performer billed as a looper didn't really do any looping. I personally see looping as a tool that may be used (or not used) as required by the music, just as a painter should not be obligated to use every color of paint or every one of his brushes in every painting. As an improvisational musician, I'm never exactly sure in advance what the ratio of looping to non-looping is going to be in a performance, and think it's pretty silly to even think too much about it. But then again, most of my performances are not at events specifically billed as "looping festivals". -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 13:44:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C273BEDF; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZeTL+Iob/Jwc4OuAYmxFbX6ErW1H5KTsK/U4rEXqzUc=; b=LOEL2B+abiqlSb0pG/f0HRXFoepuw+aih9ndjjVBGUUB5Tx5QQ4mrq/vHWRcELsS2oM5T/shOmgj3sOZYwrHQnfVk1B3YF/JBv3Uom+vlfR1l2cUEj+zANit0Vd0xbjBncuxI4lNwGymLfx3lDK65+3QMcGySYXZgqPjQLJHbMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CzdphD2ioTemDtrVeiFVtImxABXh9Mf+TFgGcYqhT1OfrNoO4EmyU7ALX2pEilZslvcbf/jcnKXZ3kui30Mvv8WQdFXpu6qyl4dRSDzOJoJscqk9qwdd7/78jMWd2ClS0+F0leD3NGA0KN7L9/lRXiB4xlIsR83kAxXr/d4pjA4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:44:24 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Don't know ... did ask it about it, though. A local chain here in New England (Daddy's Junky Music) has the DD-7s in the warehouse as of yesterday (Saturday) and are distributing them out to their stores. I asked if they were' getting the Slicer and he said yes, but didn't check on it, as I wasn't ready to drop bucks on it. Sweetwater has been filling orders for the DD-7 this week. There have been a few of these already showing up on Ebay for the past three weeks, but only in the last week from sellers in the US. As for the Slicer, I'll wait until I can go in and actually try one of those; I"m wiling to go ahead and snag the DD-7 now (I bought a pair of DD-20s untried and haven't regretted it a bit!). Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned here a couple of months > ago - pre-release? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: definition looper > > > > > > > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday > > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > > > My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list > is > > > getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > > > musician, not vice versa. > > > [2] No. > > > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > of > > > an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > qualifies > > > you as a musician. > > > > > > > > > TH > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do > > you > > > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't > the > > > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of > people > > > be a looper? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762BB3BED9; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DDQQ0jrXZnPzvfBox94iSDErScpGR9arTlG5cSU4pBwf/aPcMZT7oOD+xFu8DgvXTV/yKvhQdQMaN0Tt3x2cCdSEqVoD6WbFaqvkOdaRpQEeyIRwuzxoQYswqsxNIaslHNygqEuPlzI7LnPijJNm1Mv+XwyhHE1PRjxS1I2ngs8=; X-YMail-OSG: yMoUHi8VM1lY89DhDjg687Fajn1DcT7EtLLD6zwFyHJnDFCO2eCKvxJcHMLgZzH1oznFsKQdx4I6kiO4H0nfs.82yUMVfXizQoAOeYc_W0o8lqjVTJjVqDCBybg- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: definition looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344860.18211.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) this effect is by the way integrated in the boss gt-pro very fun effect! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned > here a couple of months > ago - pre-release? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Moser" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: definition looper > > > > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get > mine on Tuesday > > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > >> My God. We desperately need some new > gear/software to discuss. This list > >> is > >> getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to > be considered a looping > >> musician, not vice versa. > >> [2] No. > >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping > musician. The presence > >> of > >> an audience qualifies you as a performing > musician. Playing music > >> qualifies > >> you as a musician. > >> > >> > >> TH > >> > >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > wrote: > >> > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping > in your music? [2] Do > >> > you > >> have to perform in front of other people to be a > looper? [3]Why can't > >> the > >> guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of > >> people > >> be a looper? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 16:55:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E572D3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=b2MfYYXvTSDXSxfXeETE0pC9T7fVu8cThccA5qGIczp8P5pUy6PS7Hva/Drmg1N6bVsJEktgCQzQm0WUUxyrIHuQGDXwlzWiEvG1/SNZHCRGqxAdTyjldjg+lQTq2nLMcLRU64hqyrbeJAHbDHMSeaOisqvCVnFBqGMlw2V7FlI=; X-YMail-OSG: D2vm6hEVM1kL4fyZeugeWN2uBbw1TatBrQ.IR6Yq1A7WKCV2KcDpmDPMWvuJNuKJC_FEu2wKXz2OJVuQPfonxQHLW0wmkBd6eWCVpuFdlHeJJ8lkR7ZN6KzGI20- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) yes shes truly wonderful! Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Rick, > I just realize that you are looking for a list of > LIVE loopers, > those who use the technology onstage, in live > performance. Certainly > this list should include: > > Kaki King > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:12:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F19A3BECD; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hx6rh+Xr8nCqj4UKSOWFnNBBGKNvc74g5Ux6wY1BS/w=; b=ny5sZlRv9pFDtWj/XSi3BDPFvrxau0canTgkbSUIU01Kka1M16ohUPX74h0LzpJ/jutGTYOkzJwFHQprPyxwodqahfY38X4+5Ey25w3voEqTNsvoWHBM6BVUtlhWqkOj+4fEGIhAVCcGNch/Z7qQb5Af3PFKVRJ3pM3UOmRC258= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WqyAqC7HQA3tIoOgDEfKbcrdz1nue1ShZgkILkaKVK7M4i3B2HiA9gRKxnmCjmNJ0Mt4oASEfQIQXXGnthW1EM2LV+P9YXuljQdBnEdEZYFvO1UjyCqBXaani4WJroePTAMbK+KDtkhmMUFEZ93kX+1LmTU4A+3+62YLQ3miHeQ= Message-ID: <4759e5740805041012k1c87ea76i18e737bdf7f1cfa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:12:21 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: [LOOPING PERFORMANCES IN NYC] Todd Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565" Resent-Message-ID: <7ppC8D.A.IdF.45eHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:12:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanted to post two events at once here in May, will post the second one again as it nears. May 10th, at The Stone in NYC 10 pm Todd Reynolds solo set with Michael Lowenstern, Bass Clarinet and laptop, guest May 21st, at The Flea Theater in NYC, 7pm - Still Life with Microphone, my concert theater event with lots of live looping and live interactive video a la jitter like so many on the list have been inquiring about, featuring the live video art of Luke DuBois, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi and Bass Clarinetist, Michael Lowenstern. Details will be up on my blog http://blog.toddreynolds.com by later this afternoon. Cheers, folks. I'll post again with details and descriptions as days approach. Thanks for reading, Todd ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanted to post two events at once here in May, will post the second one again as it nears.

    May 10th, at The Stone in NYC 10 pm  Todd Reynolds solo set with Michael Lowenstern, Bass Clarinet and laptop, guest

    May 21st, at The Flea Theater in NYC, 7pm - Still Life with Microphone, my concert theater event with lots of live looping and live interactive video a la jitter like so many on the list have been inquiring about, featuring the live video art of Luke DuBois, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi and Bass Clarinetist, Michael Lowenstern. 

    Details will be up on my blog http://blog.toddreynolds.com by later this afternoon.

    Cheers, folks.  

    I'll post again with details and descriptions as days approach. 

    Thanks for reading, Todd
    ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0A13BEC8; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481DF5B2.40402@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:14 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or something, in regards to Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her fingerpicking solos she shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in my opinion her tone is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always out of tune. And this is about the most unimaginative, predictable, poorly executed Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least on national TV). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc Is there a particular album that people are hearing some promise in? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3ED3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c8ae0e$e4786610$180b3c4a@NORBY11> From: "Toby G" To: References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <481DF5B2.40402@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:47:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:47:19 +0000 (UTC) She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or something, in regards to > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her fingerpicking solos she > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in my opinion her tone > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always out of tune. > > And this is about the most unimaginative, predictable, poorly executed > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least on national TV). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > Is there a particular album that people are hearing some promise in? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:10:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9C13BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3717 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 04 May 2008 18:10:33 UTC Message-Id: From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Ableton LIVE 7 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:08:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ez7.ez-web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mikecrain.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone out there who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should upgrade to 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool features under 7. Thanks! mc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:25:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF713BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HKY5XyJ45x4q2PbfUiAqx9rIqCJPfrnEjPifleki7/E=; b=OOuE0JncymEaVdPMaESsqNmpv/Llqh0bHv167E69y3PbowRFFUICHHZHT30Gq0zgU6FxVgBv/InAZSfRtyD7+pZgbSuBe9M07O5dos91Ilsbrbhk04aFXcbFhyagHRSiDF5ul/6tiXweiZP+ox98Xc6m0UngPxffCAFA4TOUxPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lPlFz/sDA0ATLJftWUvz2kyxKQWTXhqkIdTNAIB40lIDiPIkL8hCkziGfSiKONddLu7uI8HtLFoPjyKT6nkjRSM0rAx3i/bu9qeMDbeTTdedVdRqIyPexsN4jRax1wyCSDWN91AJzyXyzJdoLiR5MGck9RFqyAw99E0PAuOKl78= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:25:30 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS In-Reply-To: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018" References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline She is, but I remember someone asked her about looping back in her solo days (the first two albums) and she said that it was all live. The later "band" albums do have some looping. TH On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > yes shes truly wonderful! > Luis > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline She is, but I remember someone asked her about looping back in her solo days (the first two albums) and she said that it was all live.  The later "band" albums do have some looping.

    TH

    On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
    yes shes truly wonderful!
    Luis

    --- Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:


    ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:41:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24CC33BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 783951.5037.bm@omp508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=g83bUktekShRSmtahCpi2pIgHu39MthNq2k3IlUckHycgxQz74k1XlCPsB5Km1rEfnlYfJav83Ea5zx1mMABygqMfrs6yjSpKIynu+8DOhB7UoQkbAeysUkNATUARsGns5U+0R528D5yMeKwnLJo6XhskzU0E7n2iJDiS0hxm+Q=; X-YMail-OSG: eSL4ipoVM1n9_QaHuSsPig5e7qpKT2pnEY7r5xVUaUQE_FZUBbxsat6DbxThUXfp.uvRbRNN4Rl4N5XLQ6.akZ2ZYZhwzM2EbsBq5pieovc5dOlgbASz8I_KmbQ- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <833108.89794.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I remember right after her 2nd album came out ('Legs To Make Us Longer', produced by David Torn) she made a comment in an interview about how it was tempting to use a looping pedal, but then somewhat disparagingly implied that it would be cheating. She seems to have reconsidered, though. :) -t- --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > She is, but I remember someone asked her about > looping back in her solo days > (the first two albums) and she said that it was all > live. The later "band" > albums do have some looping. > > TH > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > > yes shes truly wonderful! > > Luis > > > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:57:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF223BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ScnHW6DvUKms6ZMI80K0yMWybSgmTDThbzdodE+0TH17aQ5KfXoodC2ma8U30JA0wir+viuU+QwPPzhv4e0N6D4DsQuZN3/2XgrEqClH93LgSlRL3Gs371Y/CfNy7XceRHnnWsbDe24zgNgelLtJ2KbP4Ai43oVjXRgTXlYCyUY=; X-YMail-OSG: 4bXvUtgVM1mgcmOpx_kWUZHv3x6h25Zc99JBdDOtYQzpYKyusaH6KYiUg0eQ2nt6EQ-- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c8ae0e$e4786610$180b3c4a@NORBY11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique some years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc cheers Luis --- Toby G wrote: > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. > > > t > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daryl Shawn" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > LOOPING ARTISTS) > > > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > something, in regards to > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > fingerpicking solos she > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > my opinion her tone > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > out of tune. > > > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > predictable, poorly executed > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > on national TV). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > > > Is there a particular album that people are > hearing some promise in? > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:39:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812A53BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZmOxDLYywAVztgHdGTH+JGgYMYe44qYgm917LD715rC0CF+uEHUr8GZwsVXXRkKVa8hw0Pd2lNxcaU9k+GM/SM/lztjS0KscKl478Sombw2hDwrTqei94usNAwpuhs2um/6X875NkDZhZREHs+LgpzRE4TbcpXsrE1oDYscVfwY=; X-YMail-OSG: POJF6EwVM1l60xn.LCn_K7C3SDCX6ARqzYd2iF_5NoBOFcfPuE0slKfSoaxlS61bW0gTSmfBvWdEFnoujYZ_fn1l.AsHZYHw_5AN8DgFupEvGhoQ8gBEgoi7iPE- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: DD-7 demo (O.T.) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) hey guys, anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco (second dude)is using? http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere else,very nice looking! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B711A3BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=tR1bFAiXRtKsUigqf26XKUjSpfzo7aWhoqJPN3HXXu0=; b=H0bnNA2I4mB9z2JWfsi1sFjQPb+gv4SuG6mXIUWocgU0N5AlyTILSiJgqN2+ZI09kqyBa8Jfrq4WLeIbiel8rKGhPZFF2mIqpMK5w7Bzv8eQzJqv/zCbR/MG+ardI/04yBdYJ5cuUUSKClVFXza8XwqJ5C6qoc2OLYzFzUs6oeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fmgTBzvlX9Ud9vB3v11gXHpjCahuLDB3Ife+gGnA5GQataG9ZVs5qZGtD1DUitu5ojLFyA/dg3fCfbAgQwMfwd0kcFLWbClnKNMqEWyjNC3kw9GbT1Y3yipp/Dif56cTczkTZ53BSHsDmGVoR6pZJd0agm0u/sI2c3Cy2vvW2j8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:42:41 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Independent direct loop access on two EDP's-->what note values to use? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I've set up two EDP's in the same rack to allow them to sync to each other via BrotherSync, but function as two independent audio "tracks", as opposed to a linked stereo pair. I'm controlling the two via an FCB, and everything's going okay so far except when I try to access a loop directly via MIDI loop triggers. I have the control source for EDP1 set to 36 and EDP2 set to 89 and I want to be able to hop around from loop 1 to loop 3 with one button press, and more importantly take advantage of the ability to trigger a clearing of the destination loop and activate LoopCopy of the current loop. On EDP1, I'm using the MIDI notes C5, C#5 and D5 to trigger loops 1,2 and 3 respectively. This works okay for EDP1, but causes EDP2 to go into record mode sometimes. Using Claude's Excel sheet, I thought I'd calculated the loop trigger values for EDP2 (source#=89) to be F5, F#5 and G5, but that's not working. My understanding is that it is possible to achieve what I'm trying here--does anyone know what I'm missing? Thanks, Travis Hartnett ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I've set up two EDP's in the same rack to allow them to sync to each other via BrotherSync, but function as two independent audio "tracks", as opposed to a linked stereo pair. 

    I'm controlling the two via an FCB, and everything's going okay so far except when I try to access a loop directly via MIDI loop triggers.  I have the control source for EDP1 set to 36 and EDP2 set to 89 and I want to be able to hop around from loop 1 to loop 3 with one button press, and more importantly take advantage of the ability to trigger a clearing of the destination loop and activate LoopCopy of the current loop.

    On EDP1, I'm using the MIDI notes C5, C#5 and D5 to trigger loops 1,2 and 3 respectively.  This works okay for EDP1, but causes EDP2 to go into record mode sometimes.  Using Claude's Excel sheet, I thought I'd calculated the loop trigger values for EDP2 (source#=89) to be F5, F#5 and G5, but that's not working.

    My understanding is that it is possible to achieve what I'm trying here--does anyone know what I'm missing?

    Thanks,

    Travis Hartnett
    ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198CA3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:54 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) References: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. > One thing that disturbed me: > Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. Hi Buzap, I think that the most sensible solution is to have a built-in limiter on the bodypack. I think that a lot of them actually do have that feature. For instance even the most basic Shure wireless bodypack model has a limiter: http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/PersonalMonitorSystems/us_pro_P2R_content - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:18:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3BB33BEB9; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:18:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Message-ID: <20080504201801.155060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0mRUF7GD07UZdFFkUDQIr/Z0BnpcfkjB9fHxFUQ RS9oMYqlNCGYEmcuUTtWPP0DJFJNt2MacKpg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: zywscKUPPjl+G5wvzTQ2w1I7MTE2NUkS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sam well, the LD Systems for example doesn't - a pity because it is much cheaper. Btw, Canford doesn't seem to sell the hard limiter without headphones... But I've found a rather easy DIY design for a hard limiter with some diodes: Should be rather easy to build... - IF I have time... ;-) Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:31:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396AD3BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5CGXYDtzqviBl2gX2/aYF5q8nz8oC4KFKiVvZSDi4QA=; b=pO/SbNYJHk8FbSf2MtMQF0peFmI7nIiCoqs42CpK0AtERpA1s3vcENPsSQKiZHAvy4VK8Z9FHLG9AJ7jSx3sRKu09t6kjC5FL8pPgy+leJDG11UxIW7wG4MRGiFLnDcGkwTVCkKnVYr9TtdueCl3bdK0NB7G8e5CJbshemFCVfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=alNYuAeV2RYSR+gItVbbvL596U8V1dPDXczkwBBxUEKTMU41DwxIhpupLs6Lwd29EYd3tW9GByJsIv5DtEIaas2zJiyCeV3DH4dicRYycv2m48GaQG5qtdZ2EDWuKENZ8EW74FZHR1ZndfbrFIMffkZmSr+V9AV1OIzLzLla3YU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:31:35 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Mike Crain wrote: > I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone out there > who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many > tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should upgrade to > 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool features > under 7. > > Thanks! > > mc I'm running Live 7 here on Leopard and it is as stable at it has ever been. I have been using Live back since version 3. You should really get version 7 for the macbook because 5.2 doesn't support multi core processors, and that was a huge power lift when it was introduced! As for your last question I'm afraid I can't tell, since I have never found a musical situation that calls for such a huge amount of track and processes that would give me a chance to measure the CPU headroom. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 21:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC3B3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 04 May 2008 21:38:16 UTC X-Originating-IP: [70.108.1.99] X-Originating-Email: [digavi_joe@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Joseph Lane" To: Subject: RE: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:33:09 -0400 Organization: Digavi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AciuGLsCaHmJ1dK2TiSjPZ5OtHSRJAAFZE4g Disposition-Notification-To: "Joseph Lane" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2008 21:33:14.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[755B8580:01C8AE2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Don't be a PH!! She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!! -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique some years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnLmWcRBzzAc cheers Luis --- Toby G wrote: > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. >=20 >=20 > t > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daryl Shawn" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > LOOPING ARTISTS) >=20 >=20 > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > something, in regards to=20 > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > fingerpicking solos she=20 > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > my opinion her tone=20 > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > out of tune. > >=20 > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > predictable, poorly executed=20 > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > on national TV). > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DshYdqbJgQdc > >=20 > > Is there a particular album that people are > hearing some promise in? > >=20 > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 21:42:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3553BEBE; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=u+WyfZLGJKXHPjca9dLObo7gnTfR5i/VPixFS883MJw=; b=iDQAkXxEdA/yFIeOaohDeZ/9f8V8YVpi4tsKzCqQul+G2a5NGdL3aYTeIg/XTqjQTaGyPHBZIaCsWkgimBze8oRYZIW6Ccji6eiLZpPTVkaxfBDNQb0Lfsh94kShsbkCNO8s1zH2V2wWcyruyewfpNJ8TdhozNUIR4O6nEfaGDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TPY2bdB9nNzHX/k0Ca9J/9VxLlxu5stHjv5X09p4L8Kd6mDQGd6S2AzT+GJS7uVxQqfF9Jp4CHaJiCbXoTu0ctnUHgiBWL6iMNndwbBSdIRVLuM3gEIaLnqO7Eatb+QDbc6xEqKrb0B4EsGqYEA3QB/5cOCYWatuzU+BV6emDlg= Message-ID: <4759e5740805041442l28158f1anb01da834668678b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:42:36 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594" References: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline what's a PH? twould never want to be one, sounds like. Pie Hole? t. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Joseph Lane wrote: > Don't be a PH!! > She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) > > i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure > Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique > some years ago > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc > cheers > Luis > > > --- Toby G wrote: > > > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. > > > > > > t > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daryl Shawn" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > > LOOPING ARTISTS) > > > > > > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > > something, in regards to > > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > > fingerpicking solos she > > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > > my opinion her tone > > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > > out of tune. > > > > > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > > predictable, poorly executed > > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > > on national TV). > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > > > > > Is there a particular album that people are > > hearing some promise in? > > > > > > Daryl Shawn > > > www.swanwelder.com > > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline what's a PH?

    twould never want to be one, sounds like. 

    Pie Hole?

    t.

    On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Joseph Lane <digavi_joe@msn.com> wrote:
    Don't be a PH!!
    She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!!



    -----Original Message-----
    From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS)

    i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure
    Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique
    some years ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc
    cheers
    Luis


    --- Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:

    > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord.
    >
    >
    > t
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Daryl Shawn" <highhorse@mhorse.com>
    > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM
    > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE
    > LOOPING ARTISTS)
    >
    >
    > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or
    > something, in regards to
    > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her
    > fingerpicking solos she
    > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in
    > my opinion her tone
    > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always
    > out of tune.
    > >
    > > And this is about the most unimaginative,
    > predictable, poorly executed
    > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least
    > on national TV).
    > >
    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc
    > >
    > > Is there a particular album that people are
    > hearing some promise in?
    > >
    > > Daryl Shawn
    > > www.swanwelder.com
    > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King
    > >
    > >
    >
    >


    www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



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    ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:03:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD6F33BEBE; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010401c8ae3b$231a9fb0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:03:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, I wasn't trying to admonish about the OT thing.............just keeping people on track for the sake of all. Periodically, we just have to reinforce the OT postings netiquette and the 'please for the sake of god, don't include every post in your post so the daily digest doesn't come in 8 times a day for lack of bandwidth" problem that continually occurs here..........lol About the amplification. I have to say, that though I disagree with many things that Bob Brozman has to say about world music (and agree with more than as many as well) that he is the king of this instrument and his wholel life revolves around sounding fantastic on sound systems all over the planet (good and bad). His solution of the Neumann K150 is the bomb. YOu can't believe how good he sounds in concert. I know it's a pricey mic. that being said and done, the Shertler portable mic that sticks on , convertably, to any instrument at all has changed my life. I'm touring with one and I'll show it to you when we play together later this month. You can put it on a frame drum, a kalimba, a cajon, a national steel, a violin, just about anything that resonates with very , very little feedback and a nice rich sound. I'ts NOT a piezo styled pick up..............the mic is just below the surface (by a thumb nails distance) of a small round metal housing. You put a puddy (that doesn't not harm any surfaces coming off the instrument but sticks firmly in place. You fashion the putty into a circle and press the pickup straight down onto the instrument (you need a fairly flat or slightly curved surface) and the puddy seals all around the mic as you put down so it is inside a chamber. I took a large body 12 string steel guitar , amplified it with the schertler and put it up right in front of my pa speakers without feedback!!!! I love it. It won't be quite the fidelity of the Neumman k150 and if given the chance I might not use it in a fine studio recording, but for live it rocks the Casbah. I'll show it to you. They have normal string and ethnic string models. I believe I have the ethnic string model , though I think the normal string model probably picks up more bass which would have been nice. pricey ($500 USD?) but completely worth it if you are a multiinstrumentalist like yourself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:10:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74DF3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=n5JHT5PSw0IbDktDAYzox9EbULIPwIal7HlbtfLG/N0=; b=a2Ed0e11nH8pHruuXQOGs4qdu48OmD54MuYfd16sxf7vJjspjhzJcOUC2cNt1BzkeFNu0XnJmUYdOfVI1bvkvceofhxp/jYfmcYAlimWHhE/qd3Ncse0EafRTLramHMvVxb16Or0WcvCYw/IXT1BfP9tDUO3QNpzHw27zj9brKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UUEtn/oinYl4mY+DqUtqyRcZ0qhy3yBxdUn8N4nQZRCROWXlK+yUf9PUiKprLH+92kk4Ru92X0K/2veBhcee5QxEdDIUYRPYLwPGN6HPyO1nRc0mbFhtAuKrxlfgcSLeCx46OSCpWC9FrjwBpgm4cOpRaOfW3wF7wyHVEWTg/sw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:45 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-7 demo (O.T.) In-Reply-To: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) No, it's not a Godin ... I use one and that's not a Godin ... maybe a Breedlove? Godins have the name/logo running up the pegbox; that one has a logo at the top of the pegbox. Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey guys, > anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco > (second dude)is using? > > http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 > > It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere > else,very nice looking! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:16:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38CEB3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aUrZhfypjBB1V0/ylePARVFdxvj/bupJ4QNIwxkw1MY=; b=wZze+irw4mL9RHZXmj6kis+UdA8BRZo8oARp4D8k1TZo03qskP0ZQusXnZvL0ChN3xuILABQowfcdaCFa9cfYDFlkOMjw+tozLQgt4qlr6MjGaYTAEqqaJN8Ibu9QaOGoeedgaAidHAaRhGu0xtAnTf9Ne897miUTHdZtoJfut0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C+G7iAWYkRM/Rm4XlR/d204qvKyGj/cLWllVTcg+uvZ1F7uKHgGAFxFalu4ifycO8fRBU6v7G+/x76b7PWUNHnBy45Wj8FcVBEJ8VY7EfrVhvMpsAZqj4bGa5g5Bg20bFQ6o9DJrjFHYf8/GPF7HeHQIIWvpWwxDi3BPWnRDu2Q= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:16:03 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-7 demo (O.T.) In-Reply-To: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1Ja3GD.A.goD.2OkHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Found it ... http://www.breedloveguitars.com/instruments/guitars/mark/index.php DeMarco uses a lot of Breedloves ... Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey guys, > anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco > (second dude)is using? > > http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 > > It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere > else,very nice looking! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8A53BEBA; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:48:16 -0400 References: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8M0Hq.A.UYE.EtkHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm using Live 7 with a 2.4 Macbook Pro. CPU isn't really an issue much anymore. I have a couple tunes where I use 8 tracks incorporating various synths and many effects. The usual CPU saving tricks should certainly be used. I have noticed that you really benefit by turning off the Airport, Bluetooth and all sharing. Ableton is truly a great app. 7 has may improvements that make it well worth it. Especially from 5. Go for it. Chris On May 4, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Mike Crain wrote: >> I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone >> out there >> who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many >> tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should >> upgrade to >> 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool >> features >> under 7. >> >> Thanks! >> >> mc > > > I'm running Live 7 here on Leopard and it is as stable at it has ever > been. I have been using Live back since version 3. > > You should really get version 7 for the macbook because 5.2 doesn't > support multi core processors, and that was a huge power lift when it > was introduced! > > As for your last question I'm afraid I can't tell, since I have never > found a musical situation that calls for such a huge amount of track > and processes that would give me a chance to measure the CPU headroom. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:51:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB9C3BEB9; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <86C7C697-4550-4A74-BEF0-4E862DCA9E0B@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: New Gear Lust Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:50:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Is anybody else lusting after Spectrasonics Omnisphere? Check out the demo videos. The ability to lock up with Stylus RMX is mindblowing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 02:42:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3733BEA6; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: <20080504230356.72E5E3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #313 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c8ae59$9e9275a0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080504230356.72E5E3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciuOyZd+7I5x3scRkqRl7jOnn5zVgAHnNeg Resent-Message-ID: <0lenR.A.nl.CQnHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #313 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

     

     

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    ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 02:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C40B3BEAF; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007a01c8ae5b$f6342a90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:58:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Luis posted this video of Preston Reed's percussive style (probably an influence on Kaki King, the wonderful percussive and now, looping guitarist) www.youtube.com/watch I thought it might be cool to watch it and find some other resources on the web (as well as post our own thoughts and practises) about how to use the guitar as a percussion instrument. My own brother, Bill Walker has been finding incredibly cool sounds out of hi lapsteel guitar, by brushing the strings to create shaker effects and , just lately , he's discovered a very hip really high pitched cowbell sound buy manipulating false and very high harmonics and then damping immediatlely. His 'drumset' loops at the latest Heroes of Slide Guitar show in Santa Cruz was particularly compelling to me. He even used his cell phone on the pickup to amplify some cool 'cricket' like sounds. Preston uses his techniques in real time, interspersing them with tapping, strumming and glissing the strings in much the same way a beatboxer can weave in a melody , linearly, in to a beatbox). The cool thing about this technique is that it presents us with only partial percussion that is so convincing that the pattern orientation of the brain completes the pattern.............this is done analagously by beatboxers who can weave in faux instruments, lyrics and drums by interspersing individual 16th notes of different timbres of sound....all in a row. My brother, uses live looping and then layers several parts on. They are both very valid approaches but require really different mental sets. In some ways, because one doesn't have to hold down the fort in looping, it means we can search for more interesting and idiosyncratic sounds to weave into our instrumental mix that we don't have to be responsible for holding down constantly (in much the same way that I can use a frisbee as a kick drum sound without having to play the instrument for the entire song). The acoustic real time way is certainly more difficult and technically impressive, but the looping part may, ultimately, be more liberating and innovative in terms of pure timbre. What do y'all think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 03:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46EE3BEAE; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:01:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) I'll start off with this: My latest thing is using a very thin pick and really getting good at controlling the speed with which I scrape round wound sounds. Even though they are quite small and it takes some work, it is possible to play individual ridges as groups of 16ths, triplet 16ths, 32nd and even 64 notes in either direction of the pick arc. I was showing a guitar student the other day (he's taking looping and creativity lessons from me, not guitar lessons........) that you can come up with a half a dozen completely different timbres using this method. You can play like a quiro looooooooooong scrape, short scrape, short scrape or you can get good and counting the number of ridged and the control them rhythmically as bursts of either single notes or doubles or triples or quadruples, what have you. It's very cool and with the judicious use of parametric equalization (and I'm suprised that more guitarists don't employ parametrics but that's another thread for the future) you can really get great percussion sounds. Throw in a little double octave pitch bending in either direction and you really can have great drums (at least for looping purposes) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 03:35:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ACC83BEA2; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BiiqEjg+bfcrdRm11bXZIOmDiCNKJQBXdvUF33BvXJ0=; b=dgQtSEmD+JFcIglG5glOGYql/5tiLWt+WvloFPkJ1W9j6GEtoQRHC6GM5ehufVRvG32gDDtKLADCJnnhBRcbChrR6wwWP5+4+Fh5W9Eg1gBuGcXfhORttyV7KeCy0qSnfC/4ar+74f1CQBvKhrTPwgXCtseBU3egvRuHy0VZjBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=v4F4UmJJHRqo/d9oDS5eEzdjawyj2UhD0IC3ImMFAmzifbPb5L353p6mFCQrns/i4xS4b1heTkwnDIiw4EVifZx98CcGkJOhb6g4QaaqGuooNdLi49n5f5pUI15zTXn8nTnsUgJkqbCky48m9Nw4zYKvWDP2N7FsEQx3Oi4lGJ4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:34:58 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping In-Reply-To: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11980_13037475.1209958498808" References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 03:35:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11980_13037475.1209958498808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The late great Eric Roche was a master at this sort of thing, although he never did any looping. He even made use of a wear spot on the cedar top of his guitar for percussive rubbing sounds. Here he is demonstrating some of his approaches: http://youtube.com/watch?v=SdcQyOEnHv8 Here he is covering "Smells Like Teen Spirit": http://youtube.com/watch?v=_zxZcUrfX0o&feature=related and here's one of his tunes, "Roundabout" (not the Yes tune), which also has some two-handed stuff: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rQVuyZNQ18 TH > ------=_Part_11980_13037475.1209958498808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The late great Eric Roche was a master at this sort of thing, although he never did any looping.  He even made use of a wear spot on the cedar top of his guitar for percussive rubbing sounds.  Here he is demonstrating some of his approaches:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=SdcQyOEnHv8

    Here he is covering "Smells Like Teen Spirit":

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=_zxZcUrfX0o&feature=related

    and here's one of his tunes, "Roundabout" (not the Yes tune), which also has some two-handed stuff:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rQVuyZNQ18


    TH









    ------=_Part_11980_13037475.1209958498808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 05:30:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F5C3BEA4; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007a01c8ae5b$f6342a90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:30:40 +0200 References: <007a01c8ae5b$f6342a90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:30:43 +0000 (UTC) have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4&feature=related On May 5, 2008, at 4:58 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Luis posted this video of Preston Reed's percussive style (probably > an influence on Kaki King, the wonderful percussive and now, looping > guitarist) > > www.youtube.com/watch > > I thought it might be cool to watch it and find some other resources > on the web (as well as post our own thoughts and practises) about > how to use the guitar as a percussion > instrument. > > My own brother, Bill Walker has been finding incredibly cool sounds > out of > hi lapsteel guitar, by brushing the strings to create shaker effects > and , just lately , he's discovered > a very hip really high pitched cowbell sound buy manipulating false > and very high harmonics and then > damping immediatlely. His 'drumset' loops at the latest Heroes of > Slide Guitar show in Santa Cruz > was particularly compelling to me. He even used his cell phone on > the pickup to amplify some > cool 'cricket' like sounds. > > Preston uses his techniques in real time, interspersing them with > tapping, strumming and glissing > the strings in much the same way a beatboxer can weave in a melody , > linearly, in to a beatbox). > > The cool thing about this technique is that it presents us with only > partial percussion that is so convincing > that the pattern orientation of the brain completes the > pattern.............this is done analagously by beatboxers who can > weave in faux instruments, lyrics and drums by interspersing > individual 16th notes of different timbres of sound....all > in a row. > > My brother, uses live looping and then layers several parts on. > > They are both very valid approaches but require really different > mental sets. > > In some ways, because one doesn't have to hold down the fort in > looping, it means we can search for more interesting and > idiosyncratic sounds to weave into our instrumental mix that we > don't have to be responsible for holding down constantly > (in much the same way that I can use a frisbee as a kick drum sound > without having to play the instrument for the entire > song). > > The acoustic real time way is certainly more difficult and > technically impressive, but the looping part may, ultimately, be > more liberating and innovative in terms of pure timbre. > > What do y'all think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 05:50:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2B503BEB6; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkUJAOY8HkhMRBw8/2dsb2JhbACBIIIyh3iHLpZ5BA Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 05.08.08 > THE PiNG co-presents the Deep Wireless Trans-Local Mash-up Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 01:50:15 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000901c8ae73$e48eb950$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 05:57:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD763BEA4; Mon, 5 May 2008 05:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481EA1C4.2000505@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 00:57:24 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:57:27 +0000 (UTC) This (off) topic is occupying a lot of my explorative practice these days...I feel like there's so much more to be uncovered. When doing vocal stuff, I'm trying to always incorporate some rhythm to distinguish myself from the folkies, and generally I use the thumb as bass drum above the strings, the pinky nail as snare below the strings, with the other fingers free to do regular strumming. Here's a really short and lo-fi clip of a vocal tune using this approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_5pzN-o74w (you can see my need for a better pickup of the percussion...) There's a San Diego acoustic songwriter named Veronica May who I discovered just last week; she tapes a piece of sandpaper to her guitar top for a nice scrape. Her arrangements and singing are rather eccentric, but her technique is wonderful (she has studied hand percussion for quite a few years, which shows). http://www.myspace.com/veronicamay I LOVE the rhythmic pick scrape idea. I don't use a pick but I'm going to see what I can do with the unused side of my nails. The Eric Roche stuff is great...I'm sad to hear he's "late", I'd never heard his stuff. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'll start off with this: > > My latest thing is using a very thin pick and really getting good at > controlling the > speed with which I scrape round wound sounds. Even though they are > quite small > and it takes some work, it is possible to play individual ridges as > groups of > 16ths, triplet 16ths, 32nd and even 64 notes in either direction of > the pick arc. > > I was showing a guitar student the other day (he's taking looping and > creativity lessons from > me, not guitar lessons........) that you can come up with a > half a dozen > completely different timbres using this method. > > You can play like a quiro looooooooooong scrape, short scrape, short > scrape > or you can get good and counting the number of ridged and the control > them > rhythmically as bursts of either single notes or doubles or triples or > quadruples, > what have you. > > It's very cool and with the judicious use of parametric equalization > (and I'm suprised that more > guitarists don't employ parametrics but that's another thread for the > future) you can really > get great percussion sounds. > > Throw in a little double octave pitch bending in either direction and > you really can have great drums > (at least for looping purposes) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 06:16:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2B43BEAF; Mon, 5 May 2008 06:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=r3bXH6uCUZ0A:10 a=Tcuhqf5cePQA:10 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=ZwnX9IFGXXAsbeq5WVQA:9 a=vPobl8MjShSoF_xFexDtAw36nnIA:4 a=LAUBBT_SSOEA:10 Message-ID: <481EA649.9080105@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:16:41 +0200 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 06:16:45 +0000 (UTC) besides the wow factor he has the problem I can hear with a lot of fingerstyle guitar player his time is destroyed by his over theatrical body motion when showmanship destroys time and taste dommage Claude Travis Hartnett a crit : > The late great Eric Roche was a master at this sort of thing, although he > never did any looping. He even made use of a wear spot on the cedar top of > his guitar for percussive rubbing sounds. Here he is demonstrating some of > his approaches: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=SdcQyOEnHv8 > > Here he is covering "Smells Like Thttp://youtube.com/watch?v=_zxZcUrfX0o&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=_zxZcUrfX0o&feature=relatedeen Spirit": > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=_zxZcUrfX0o&feature=related > > and here's one of his tunes, "Roundabout" (not the Yes tune), which also has > some two-handed stuff: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=5rQVuyZNQ18 > > > TH > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 07:19:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51663BEA6; Mon, 5 May 2008 07:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fv8/6i8zJPYaFlPk6Q5PJYXbaTJRtyywXsF1Gr1pFFo=; b=C3MnKVjpZDCDUgQJcARJk5rXwlC1dd0P78iVFEyJUWHhSneY4MXAeA+B72CN+TwIwYOVvfdHx6+ccyP/dprxcU2C7plDV8TNgI4HTq2SClwWInEHStpTZ5wJiUXQkVEoO97F3npHOWlt+HUW8q+iJp1EkcAKDcObZeUoic2joI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dHpSB3oTNheWb092aRFS0FrvrCEXf8HoP7vohikL5IFbyB+XqTa7RJy8tGDynlbu5XfUwnyCDlZFms30Sg6cAkf9q1BkqDmK26192hIPc5590597e7c0XtY8vclygWyDi6kxyn0yfBpOvcIGkKVtu+Pq+6z1atzCv+FAMhnTRJY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805050019u450fcfc7m10aca1d224f6abc3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:19:27 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 07:19:28 +0000 (UTC) All the usual tweaks for using a computer for music should still be performed with the Macbooks. I can add turning off the screen saver (setting "Start screen save = Never" in the system pref's). per On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:48 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I'm using Live 7 with a 2.4 Macbook Pro. CPU isn't really an issue much > anymore. I have a couple tunes where I use 8 tracks incorporating various > synths and many effects. The usual CPU saving tricks should certainly be > used. I have noticed that you really benefit by turning off the Airport, > Bluetooth and all sharing. Ableton is truly a great app. 7 has may > improvements that make it well worth it. Especially from 5. Go for it. > Chris > > > On May 4, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Mike Crain wrote: > > > > > I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone out > there > > > who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many > > > tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should upgrade > to > > > 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool features > > > under 7. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > mc > > > > > > > > > I'm running Live 7 here on Leopard and it is as stable at it has ever > > been. I have been using Live back since version 3. > > > > You should really get version 7 for the macbook because 5.2 doesn't > > support multi core processors, and that was a huge power lift when it > > was introduced! > > > > As for your last question I'm afraid I can't tell, since I have never > > found a musical situation that calls for such a huge amount of track > > and processes that would give me a chance to measure the CPU headroom. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 08:41:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9D7E3BEA4; Mon, 5 May 2008 08:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EfzDjkcM4PLGT0u2syvzGSDl1oKerkf0EXz8E1F4viA=; b=Erywo8H0gRUnvSl1mUBdxQFHURg7mt5F0LTlNI58H3Pce9XNsqed9v97GCha5X0dG9uB4Z5zqUVipNtWuC/cnUJjjMWxZGDdbpjZAR7zX4u2q5VmiqSb7Af0ZxuL/Z62/9k5HUZRtIqbnPKKJN1aDBxCoI1vOyndFDOiv05FdFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPVhozf7fx+sqJpRNNIgnKyedIPbP0J52ZTa2Hdi1aiWB3kNuM+yzs5Ti1I0xMRbXJMefiuOp0hxpB+jT3gd2eAAkxi9/0uAXPOr7Asv25gR+xdiW0IfrN7r6AH/UWWt401oinIIsB2ZPWlAM3LHYXgfzj8s3457ndiyQZpRB3I= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805050141n1c30af15lfc820a5db3e2bd0b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:41:33 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Gear Lust In-Reply-To: <86C7C697-4550-4A74-BEF0-4E862DCA9E0B@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86C7C697-4550-4A74-BEF0-4E862DCA9E0B@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:41:34 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:50 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Is anybody else lusting after Spectrasonics Omnisphere? Check out the demo > videos. The ability to lock up with Stylus RMX is mindblowing. Thanks for the hint. I just watched " Episode 4 - The ARpeggiaor" and - wow, that would be so cool to use inside Logic, since Logic can just extract such a "groove template midi file" from any loop (just like the RMX does on the demo video). But with the Logic arp you cant apply the groove quantization unless you record the arpeggio as long MIDI regions first. So running Omnisphere inside Logic gives you both the ultra fast way of extracting the delicate groove from any audio or midi file and an arpeggiator that can instantly follow that extracted groove. Seems to be a combo that gives you anything except such cool treatment of real-time acoustic input (when will someone create such "arpeggiator vocoder"?). I'm wondering if all parameters are exposed to the host (AU, VST protocol)? This thing would be cool to use inside Numerology as the "sound motor" but driving all its LFOs and ARPs from the Numerolgy modules. RMX does not expose enough parameter, which is sad since it's such a cool instrument. I won't bet Omnisphere will until I see it. Holding my breath until september. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 09:33:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91623BEA0; Mon, 5 May 2008 09:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 7140653/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.66.219.110 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.219.110 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQBAKJxHkhPQttu/2dsb2JhbAAIqgOCQg Message-ID: <481ED465.1050209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:33:25 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar References: <010401c8ae3b$231a9fb0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <010401c8ae3b$231a9fb0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I have to say, that though I disagree with > many things that Bob Brozman > has to say about world music Essentially, all he says is based on a universe in which the only music that exists is that with guitars in it. In which case, there's a kind of logic to his theories. (if you ignore quite a bit of other evidence too) :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 11:03:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E79D63BE99; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:03:45 +0200 From: "nico spahni" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080505110345.76900@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18yNJN3ZMcy5HjB23XSclrDDlcnsXKWBP5qp/feZ1 qvsNjxhB1b39Vz5c6x2VQqseFLSuRFJDyXyQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: o9AmfTZtbmwoc3DPejdLCThPUzc4cpFz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:03:47 +0000 (UTC) I've been following this discussion and would like to find out more about acoustic (steel string) guitars and pick-up systems that are particularly suited for that purpose, that is guitars that respond well to percussive treatment. Nico -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 11:31:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86EB73BE94; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019601c8aea3$80f12a10$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:31:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <2nwYuD.A.1KD.BAvHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I thought i had seen all loping video on youtube....but this morning i've found this one with the Walker brothers...performing at the Gavilan College Institute for Digital Media and Entertainment on July 2007. Great looping and emotions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeyNJXXc34c Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 11:35:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87B1C3BE97; Mon, 5 May 2008 11:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EeWXxiHH6TGFnTGu2NdV51uNcwRnSpNpjonjHc47b6lHJjJuW9e7aFoPbrUmtxS94gggpabhs+7V69UGd+JKRS3/j43DJsLGwszrw3CQx7vmREoXzgbB/BpJvDh+Ox0hQ8CozsAWXyiqwFzQV21rr6pt6UJu6uO+iKVVMUVwR24=; X-YMail-OSG: j1qp_hsVM1nHcTjVtJFcLQ1qF2gAIqRCTf2ohIg87xG4Fy79hrYY_FZdlXPPILXfTMvmYJneRDahbRa5otiBcbZXU7zAOJpSrxUdug-- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:35:11 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Graham Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2041178944-1209987311=:19713" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <17289.19713.qm@web86105.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:35:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-2041178944-1209987311=:19713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's very interesting Rick. I don't suppose you have any videos of this technique? Ricky Rick Walker wrote: I'll start off with this: My latest thing is using a very thin pick and really getting good at controlling the speed with which I scrape round wound sounds. Even though they are quite small and it takes some work, it is possible to play individual ridges as groups of 16ths, triplet 16ths, 32nd and even 64 notes in either direction of the pick arc. I was showing a guitar student the other day (he's taking looping and creativity lessons from me, not guitar lessons........) that you can come up with a half a dozen completely different timbres using this method. You can play like a quiro looooooooooong scrape, short scrape, short scrape or you can get good and counting the number of ridged and the control them rhythmically as bursts of either single notes or doubles or triples or quadruples, what have you. It's very cool and with the judicious use of parametric equalization (and I'm suprised that more guitarists don't employ parametrics but that's another thread for the future) you can really get great percussion sounds. Throw in a little double octave pitch bending in either direction and you really can have great drums (at least for looping purposes) --0-2041178944-1209987311=:19713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    That's very interesting Rick. I don't suppose you have any videos of this technique?
     
    Ricky

    Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
    I'll start off with this:

    My latest thing is using a very thin pick and really getting good at
    controlling the
    speed with which I scrape round wound sounds. Even though they are quite
    small
    and it takes some work, it is possible to play individual ridges as groups
    of
    16ths, triplet 16ths, 32nd and even 64 notes in either direction of the pick
    arc.

    I was showing a guitar student the other day (he's taking looping and
    creativity lessons from
    me, not guitar lessons........) that you can come up with a half a
    dozen
    completely different timbres using this method.

    You can play like a quiro looooooooooong scrape, short scrape, short scrape
    or you can get good and counting the number of ridged and the control them
    rhythmically as bursts of either single notes or doubles or triples or
    quadruples,
    what have you.

    It's very cool and with the judicious use of parametric equalization (and
    I'm suprised that more
    guitarists don't employ parametrics but that's another thread for the
    future) you can really
    get great percussion sounds.

    Throw in a little double octave pitch bending in either direction and you
    really can have great drums
    (at least for looping purposes)


    --0-2041178944-1209987311=:19713-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 14:29:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794823BE9E; Mon, 5 May 2008 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3617 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 05 May 2008 14:29:52 UTC Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:29:31 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <481F0BBB.80907@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm another skeptic of in-ear monitors - so I don't speak from experience here... I would point out that compressors in general, if improperly used, are prime feedback offenders. I don't care for headphones much either, but they've got to be much more easily removed in the event of feedback. Maybe a 2-stage expander->limiter would provide a predictable level in an in-ear system. Dan Ash White Plains, NY Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) From: Sam Nilsson Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Buzap Buzap wrote: > I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. > One thing that disturbed me: > Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have > limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. Hi Buzap, I think that the most sensible solution is to have a built-in limiter on the bodypack. I think that a lot of them actually do have that feature. For instance even the most basic Shure wireless bodypack model has a limiter: http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/PersonalMonitorSystems/us_pro_P2R_content - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 15:47:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 878883BE9E; Mon, 5 May 2008 15:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zPxyI7NBBUa+gOqzkB0MYw==:17 a=5zjmMvXHAAAA:8 a=cb3f1NYw8iJr6cpS59wA:9 a=j8NpI9EpTezK901t-BC61qsNut8A:4 a=cF_6qAr0opQA:10 a=ZUCc8-J6hhAA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=jsLt7OW6ZvyYUNJI3dYA:9 a=BOUQSyJJ9ey7epKqhGgA:7 a=09MQD9H2NxuQUb63rL3qhw-bw2oA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new art work Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 15:47:32 +0000 Message-Id: <050520081547.25925.481F2C14000AB3030000654522070229330196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25925_1210002452_0" Resent-Message-ID: <_1aa5C.A.NlB.WwyHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:47:34 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25925_1210002452_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a link to some pics of my newest mosaic tile work, hope you like it. bryan helm http://www.auntacid.com/blueglassguitar.html -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com at-the-helm.us --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25925_1210002452_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25925_1210002452_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 16:44:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 310983BE94; Mon, 5 May 2008 16:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481F39DE.6060608@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 18:46:22 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) References: <481F0BBB.80907@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <481F0BBB.80907@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Dan Ash wrote: > > I'm another skeptic of in-ear monitors - so I don't speak from > experience here... I would point out that compressors in general, if > improperly used, are prime feedback offenders. Ehm.. I fail to see how you'd have feedback problems with a sealed IEM? Of cause, you may be talking about feedback generated elsewhere, being fed to your IEM.. > I don't care for headphones much either, but they've got to be much more > easily removed in the event of feedback. > > Maybe a 2-stage expander->limiter would provide a predictable level in > an in-ear system. Please explain the use of an expander here? I's have no problems with a 2-stage system comprised of a low-ratio soft-knee limiter plus a hard limiter to cut the really damaging tops really fast. And I can understand Buzap's worries for picked-up interfEARenses *post* a limiter. Makes sense to me, hense, I too would want it as part of my reciever package - *after* the actual reciever. > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > Subject: > Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) > From: > Sam Nilsson > Date: > Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:54 -0700 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. >> One thing that disturbed me: >> Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have >> limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. > > > Hi Buzap, > > I think that the most sensible solution is to have a built-in limiter on > the bodypack. I think that a lot of them actually do have that feature. > > For instance even the most basic Shure wireless bodypack model has a > limiter: > > http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/PersonalMonitorSystems/us_pro_P2R_content > > > - Sam > > > . > -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 17:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD4F3BE8E; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8R7vgq/JwFuy59Ml3rgngtyvk25/o3ho7uq5Q56+qRQ=; b=Pboc7Os0HbJPdqdqe/uiJm/QpWgKcBKXpZDyJc/OAHg16CNSefgO4P3A2hIHrL5sWYWWjxJCHmsfbniWxPSFEQi9rRXLdSSmdvtfd1+cMZF3pMckkXVCk8DroVe2E2bz4/oYvVU7A657Z9rvIOxImeEomV/n4UFx231WCPtqjgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gwMjhUEnlA109kCtyQUQbKrDKXpJdibe+vDzjAseD4QoXybl9+ji5WjghKj4WX10GyPiDcbEiTKSuQdb30ctutB456uP9Z8yVxqnmVsERVITb1aGap7y7AqDrATSrPaA0cESNVd90ILFvtWDfy6udtW0vCPsbzW9Y/xgGefdSQc= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805051027l19923a66u50940b29b528a5fd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:27:23 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Independent direct loop access on two EDP's-->what note values to use? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12093_13732255.1210008443804" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:27:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12093_13732255.1210008443804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah I had the same problem. I think. I think it depends what you have "switchquant" set to. If you have it set to "confirm" or "cycle confirm" then when you try to trigger a loop directly like that, it tends to do whacky (and inconsistent) stuff. So try out some other "switchquant" options. Also, see if you have "autorecord" on. ------=_Part_12093_13732255.1210008443804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Yeah I had the same problem. I think.

    I think it depends what you have "switchquant" set to. If you have it set to "confirm" or "cycle confirm" then when you try to trigger a loop directly like that, it tends to do whacky (and inconsistent) stuff. So try out some other "switchquant" options. Also, see if you have "autorecord" on.
    ------=_Part_12093_13732255.1210008443804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 17:31:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957FD3BE8D; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zLVPbjUbShwNVI2ISvCFJCf5dcTlOeiKODboxbAoAuA=; b=hBe9oPeAB5MYkJ1456BGHbQ3LlHWyG8uFwO+uQxaQak1mvrecz2ddHhSih5fnamVr1XLqKO9JwODi26S8yIdLxLkpnVu8ZsPwo6T/3QZRvWKpAySlc1en1h+M+x6c7AzkkXiZexaGrWQ3jh9GhuBNEsLH69o60oIsizkPguV+xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aIGhCQhf5Kyznieo0K4Dfum7wZjQ9VAAdxuI8EJ+29rRYQLiB98IvMippJB7iJFQiovoJzvJpDbiCS5hotwaBqkpZ+SBjW6gb6vlHtbJOGvcSHQsJFt2TkUOtCKfBcF5I4+90wKM85rZULh0r75U+NqGISaf6gAihAvbfkp+6IY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:31:57 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Independent direct loop access on two EDP's-->what note values to use? In-Reply-To: <8c82d1660805051027l19923a66u50940b29b528a5fd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14489_29807765.1210008717946" References: <8c82d1660805051027l19923a66u50940b29b528a5fd@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:31:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14489_29807765.1210008717946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I figured out that the key is the LoopTrigger parameter. You want those set far enough apart that the values don't collide. Claude's spreadsheet allows for that, but I didn't understand it at the time. Make sure those parameters are 15 apart and there's no collision. TH On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Suler wrote: > > Yeah I had the same problem. I think. > > I think it depends what you have "switchquant" set to. If you have it set > to "confirm" or "cycle confirm" then when you try to trigger a loop directly > like that, it tends to do whacky (and inconsistent) stuff. So try out some > other "switchquant" options. Also, see if you have "autorecord" on. > ------=_Part_14489_29807765.1210008717946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I figured out that the key is the LoopTrigger parameter.  You want those set far enough apart that the values don't collide.  Claude's spreadsheet allows for that, but I didn't understand it at the time.  Make sure those parameters are 15 apart and there's no collision.

    TH

    On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Patrick Suler <patricksuler@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yeah I had the same problem. I think.

    I think it depends what you have "switchquant" set to. If you have it set to "confirm" or "cycle confirm" then when you try to trigger a loop directly like that, it tends to do whacky (and inconsistent) stuff. So try out some other "switchquant" options. Also, see if you have "autorecord" on.

    ------=_Part_14489_29807765.1210008717946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 17:52:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EED513BE8D; Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zPxyI7NBBUa+gOqzkB0MYw==:17 a=5zjmMvXHAAAA:8 a=7hJtPSaNWBlW01orl-UA:9 a=BC5MC5Sf5C31GW9YNvLxJakEh-oA:4 a=cF_6qAr0opQA:10 a=ZUCc8-J6hhAA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 a=dyIvYiOuUPp0cabqptEA:9 a=tkJ4aTiPMjbvLHPLU3kA:7 a=21OemHiLvW3U4haRc2WESV8S1eIA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT- Re: new art work Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:52:32 +0000 Message-Id: <050520081752.11595.481F4960000A377D00002D4B22007481840196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11595_1210009952_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:34 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11595_1210009952_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry left out the OT -------------- Original message -------------- From: loopbozo@comcast.net Here's a link to some pics of my newest mosaic tile work, hope you like it. bryan helm http://www.auntacid.com/blueglassguitar.html -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com at-the-helm.us --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11595_1210009952_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Sorry left out the OT
     
     
     
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: loopbozo@comcast.net
    Here's a link to some pics of my newest mosaic tile work, hope you like it.
                                                                                                                    bryan helm
     
     
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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_11595_1210009952_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 18:03:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E313BE8F; Mon, 5 May 2008 18:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004801c8aeda$7eea7fa0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT t.c./Hellicon VSM-300 XT personal monitoring Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:04:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C8AEE2.E08B3300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:03:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C8AEE2.E08B3300 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0045_01C8AEE2.E08B3300" ------=_NextPart_001_0045_01C8AEE2.E08B3300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, Partly inspired by the ongoing discussions about IEMs vs wedges vs = headphones, etc, and partly by my own questions in the same area... I = saw the tc/Hellicon VSM-300 XT powered monitors and am interested in these or something similar for two = purposes: 1. a close-up onstage monitor for my flute/FX so I can actually hear it = properly when playing with bands. 2. a small portable, and loud enough amp for my flute when playing small = caf=E9 gigs - where the guitarist uses an AER Compact 60. Any experience of the tc/Hellicon monitors? or of any other of these = small close-up monitors? Thanks. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_0045_01C8AEE2.E08B3300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
    Hi,
     
    Partly inspired by the ongoing discussions about IEMs vs wedges vs=20 headphones, etc, and partly by my own questions in the same area... I = saw the=20 tc/Hellicon VSM-300 XT

    powered monitors and am interested in these or something similar for = two=20 purposes:

     

    1. a close-up onstage monitor for my flute/FX so I can actually hear = it=20 properly when playing with bands.

     

    2. a small portable, and loud enough amp for my flute when playing = small caf=E9=20 gigs  - where the guitarist uses an AER Compact 60.

     

    Any experience of the tc/Hellicon monitors? or of any other of these = small=20 close-up monitors?

     

    Thanks.

    Ian.

     

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      Claude's spreadsheet allows for that, but I didn't understand it at the time. 

    Wait a minute?? Claude has made a spreadsheet??  Gimme Gimme Gimme...

    I mean please can someone post its whereabouts or Claude can you send it to me.. pretty please... with a cherry?

    mark... kiss kiss
    ------=_Part_12245_26508780.1210018797022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 20:31:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9713BE8D; Mon, 5 May 2008 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-yfrL61J1bYA:10 a=8-pTHlB_Yv8A:10 a=SyswUzd_AAAA:8 a=zKTlQ2XsnQBRN1U8ftoA:9 a=lFZGpm4PmjzcKNBqid8A:7 a=RQdF9Vatz9g7vweuhqs0cf2oqwEA:4 a=nEioJt3VSzwA:10 Message-ID: <481F6E9D.8090909@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 22:31:25 +0200 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Independent direct loop access on two EDP's-->what note values to use? References: <8c82d1660805051027l19923a66u50940b29b528a5fd@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0805051319n6993fcfcw8a247173179fd5da@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0805051319n6993fcfcw8a247173179fd5da@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4FRufB.A.JqD.h62HIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:31:29 +0000 (UTC) google : edp midi commands spreadsheet gives http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html easy isnt it :=) bonne soire Claude mark francombe a crit : >> Claude's spreadsheet allows for that, but I didn't understand it at the >> time. > > > Wait a minute?? Claude has made a spreadsheet?? Gimme Gimme Gimme... > > I mean please can someone post its whereabouts or Claude can you send it to > me.. pretty please... with a cherry? > > mark... kiss kiss > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 21:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585243BE89; Mon, 5 May 2008 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VM/NO1u04n1qwVq0fp5zZ6TtyVQDzKJ2BfVZTsavQJY0QI5keIx4LOaIgSqseKayXo1ovnqnRbMct2qW/eTza3UMryPmvEnur+lOBw0BjH1DC7KeghCYXCPsvDflhQSolgxSm8INuZ+eiFnDW5PiaOC+Q4ZPB9wUKk8jQWCmifg=; X-YMail-OSG: xVYzn9oVM1n.ou.eIE3lkX7TwN1OdjnYChVtljt24YVh0Xx6oWNXCbrvI7pc6I8OrGxFLf_AugNeVUXvXD6zTKRUE5othwl9DMZcxu9mZ8jow_bEtd8HQ7qkBvo- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080505110345.76900@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <716858.81680.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nico, i have a trance audio amulet system(formerly FRAP) which is almost specially design for this purpose,Michael Hedges used it as far as i know.2 lenses,one for the bass strings and the other for the treble strings,stereo out independent of each other so you can add efx on the treble strings and keep the bass strings clean.The system is the most natural and responsive ive ever heard,very hi quality but expensive and only found in the U.S. The drawback with this system is that you need their special cable and preamp otherwise you are out of luck.So ive recently installed the old B-band system additionally which has a UST and AST and can be runed separately thorugh a stereo Y cable direclty into the mixing board.Unfortunately B-Band has taken a step backwards and came up with a new one which has more output but is mono only and there is no way of running them separately.I guess the system was too complicated and they have sold to mono mass production.They dont make them anymore but you might still find it in guitar shops or ebay.B-Band sounds really nice and the ability to run them separately is always the best for looping! a cheaper option is the korean belcat transducer which you just stick on the guitar wherever you want it, dont let the price lure you i know professional guitarrists who are using them! but as far as i know you will need a preamp since they are low output,but their price compensates for it check them out http://www.tranceaudio.com/ http://www.b-band.com/ http://www.gremlinmusic.co.uk/belcat.htm cheers Luis --- nico spahni wrote: > I've been following this discussion and would like > to find out more about acoustic (steel string) > guitars and pick-up systems that are particularly > suited for that purpose, that is guitars that > respond well to percussive treatment. > > Nico > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 21:53:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3308D3BE8B; Mon, 5 May 2008 21:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7A2953EC-BA42-4732-925B-36F54CD808C4@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Beth Bahia Cohen Subject: question about EDP connecting to Audio Interface Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:53:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi..I just bought a Focusrite Saffire Pro 10 I/O firewire audio interface and I'm using Logic Express 8 recording software on a MacBook. How do I connect my EDP to it so that I can record? I have a 1/4 inch going into a line input and a 1/4 coming out of a line output....I guess I'm not sure of the settings and I'm not even sure if that's right so far.....thanks in advance for any advice......Beth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 21:55:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0203D3BE8B; Mon, 5 May 2008 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080505214719.ECE013BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--210890109 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #315 Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:55:43 -0700 References: <20080505214719.ECE013BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ez7.ez-web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mikecrain.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--210890109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And also the Dashboard can be added. Once you start them, it's wise to restart the old mac. I wish Apple would allow us to turn them off completely or F - O -R - E - V - E - Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Mike > > > > From: "Per Boysen" > Date: May 5, 2008 12:19:27 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 > > > All the usual tweaks for using a computer for music should still be > performed with the Macbooks. I can add turning off the screen saver > (setting "Start screen save = Never" in the system pref's). > > per > --Apple-Mail-4--210890109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And also the Dashboard can be = added. Once you start them, it's wise to restart the old mac. I wish = Apple would allow us to turn them off completely = or 

    F - O -R - E - V - E - = Rrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    Mike




    From: "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>
    Date: May 5, 2008 = 12:19:27 AM PDT
    Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7


    All = the usual tweaks for using a computer for music should still = be
    performed with the Macbooks. I can add turning off the screen = saver
    (setting "Start screen save =3D Never" in the system = pref's).

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    = --Apple-Mail-4--210890109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 22:49:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A810D3BE8A; Mon, 5 May 2008 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yNAqDQAlsLSZ3LUs6XZo94OS+AcSlnSEuSMtXaDyXc0UE4SFoT4Y4ZoVAWo2WI1156gcAyFXNfnxRbPETbV3At6DfxRdUr+U8lKJUclFEEL4tTM6TbXGrwEovvOcZYQFFmyYg58TDBTQrJeR13YKWT7IVoBkf8wu+hMLGyfixNM=; X-YMail-OSG: 7fED1LkVM1m_.CAlSB4YPZlWN9JGSqIX2ci8NINgYJkEYWGKUtMlTzDXmIW6o1uWGL7l.VrOiHaCkT2DS9tvXMtA..WaLO1Fm4L02xBwSU6uKMaSCiXmi60eiwo- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481EA649.9080105@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <767311.6330.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) hmm..i find shoe gazing and mouse clicking on stage even more disturbing time and taste destroying what u think of this then? http://youtube.com/watch?v=SHfGeAVIcJ4&feature=related http://youtube.com/watch?v=OvTZAg0H17w http://youtube.com/watch?v=We8P_Ww27hY if the music grooves and they are into it i dont mind even if they sometimes seem epileptic! Luis --- Claude Voit wrote: > besides the wow factor he has the problem I can hear > with a lot of > fingerstyle guitar player his time is destroyed by > his over theatrical > body motion > when showmanship destroys time and taste > > dommage > > Claude > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 23:22:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F573BE8B; Mon, 5 May 2008 23:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ke44N5riTMVkXaLurdxgpzzC5DiGQpngiUlGb4AYKSngOL1itRRr9pcdiut6Tmuj968W5q+dPiIB45eOAlT6Zj3avSGrKK6zoVONo+6JcFaQlVYxPqZmD8nfaeRCuTZAkZpyghWv4S+FCRro76DIlvEuXQ/A2BSDp8BvMvCQCmc=; X-YMail-OSG: 1tm.0SoVM1n5eId9s6VeBva.xxSXg9yqVcalYWvVV0u4KDjzN.iiJbRxzYlndHlyBy1xLIcdLNDo6kSn0wwuF0ZC7lFMPLogMe7SDs1h1Jxz_IZDiw.kO_tAJvI- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007a01c8ae5b$f6342a90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <49155.15062.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Hey buddy, I actually find it more liberating not looping...;-)there is always the worry of the perfect loop timing,pressing the right button,knowing which preset you are in,which button is still activated,is it staying in sync,looking at the screen,and that the whole thing is not going to fuck up on you! i am sure weve all been through this,unless offcourse is abstrack,noise,no time signature full improv type of looping. but yes,on the other hand i find backing a runing loop with improvisation or layering liberating compared to presenting something so technical demanding and doing it flawlessly. Timbre can also be subjective...repetition,reverse or glitching can only be for some people anerving;-) Luis > The acoustic real time way is certainly more > difficult and technically > impressive, but the looping part may, ultimately, be > more liberating and innovative in terms of pure > timbre. > > What do y'all think? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 00:40:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C993BE8E; Tue, 6 May 2008 00:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HBVPebWB+CzB4CdIGCf1lML12Sdb1Elt5ey8MKcnJKJXbwq5SsmrEkT8Dp7MI5h2VMS7vMdwi6YveXhpkzQzaLvk6VAr3savUB0dHNlBycAz2IWY7Gig0RimVMor4+Rpq2pol7GhuInjDl69dMLSK8DKAe0zwjJ13Btdb0WaigI=; X-YMail-OSG: Z3GEHx0VM1m1jeTXpPh1OoaSyDY65By9q6zX9TKto11eyrdsLdQvffu9WR6l19qTmOoq6DBBu6COxc7T3gneMiwFeKsuSouxY2nEzQyZZyXUgCLQpyGRG9lUBqk- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010401c8ae3b$231a9fb0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <3276.19908.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:40:23 +0000 (UTC) wow cool man i have to check the Shertler portable mic out,i remeber u telling me about last summer when i was at your place in Santa Cruz , gonna have a look! thanx bud Luis --- Rick Walker wrote: > Hey Luis, > > I wasn't trying to admonish about the OT > thing.............just keeping > people on track for the > sake of all. Periodically, we just have to > reinforce the OT postings > netiquette and the > 'please for the sake of god, don't include every > post in your post so the > daily digest doesn't > come in 8 times a day for lack of bandwidth" > problem that continually > occurs here..........lol > > > About the amplification. I have to say, that > though I disagree with many > things that Bob Brozman > has to say about world music (and agree with more > than as many as well) > that he is > the king of this instrument and his wholel life > revolves around sounding > fantastic on sound > systems all over the planet (good and bad). > > His solution of the Neumann K150 is the bomb. > YOu can't believe how good he sounds in concert. > > I know it's a pricey mic. > > that being said and done, the Shertler portable > mic that sticks on , > convertably, to any > instrument at all has changed my life. I'm touring > with one and I'll show > it to you > when we play together later this month. > > You can put it on a frame drum, a kalimba, a > cajon, a national steel, a > violin, > just about anything that resonates with very , very > little feedback and a > nice > rich sound. > > I'ts NOT a piezo styled pick up..............the mic > is just below the > surface (by a thumb nails distance) > of a small round metal housing. You put a puddy > (that doesn't not harm any > surfaces coming off the instrument > but sticks firmly in place. You fashion the putty > into a circle and press > the pickup straight down > onto the instrument (you need a fairly flat or > slightly curved surface) and > the puddy seals all around the > mic as you put down so it is inside a chamber. > > I took a large body 12 string steel guitar , > amplified it with the > schertler and put it up right in front of > my pa speakers without feedback!!!! > > I love it. It won't be quite the fidelity of > the Neumman k150 and if > given the chance I might not > use it in a fine studio recording, but for live it > rocks the Casbah. > > I'll show it to you. They have normal string and > ethnic string models. > I believe I have the ethnic string model , though I > think the normal string > model probably picks up more bass which would have > been nice. > > pricey ($500 USD?) but completely worth it if you > are a > multiinstrumentalist like yourself. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 00:41:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75B3C3BE8E; Tue, 6 May 2008 00:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XgGrz3TKmasr+SDpMxHORRTdW7gaJhuWo71pJRHyDG7tuaNNd7qNrykyIlu5y67gF3IwiUw30VmUAUYaPoPvLRXLMapFe5hEPYaSUrOFtP03BXANJz34tvATzniEqZHt2fT7qjSYjQDwPgbka/T9kgR1f8GJNf0J/DSbkdbjyYI=; X-YMail-OSG: 1b7h5yQVM1liT27oBdn2oBzSHfbltadBfEdhZsgO5AsGRrCtEeq._sqqmLD20we337rdBiHz1ncF4a2ED.vB6x2VYwzRFFNj8aiRKhac2sYUcAsE_KiIqUF3kq0- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: DD-7 demo (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <118785.7179.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-VypHC.A.EOF.Xl6HIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:41:59 +0000 (UTC) thats the one Dennis thanx!! Luis --- Dennis Moser wrote: > Found it ... > > http://www.breedloveguitars.com/instruments/guitars/mark/index.php > > DeMarco uses a lot of Breedloves ... > > Dennis > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > hey guys, > > anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco > > (second dude)is using? > > > > > http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 > > > > It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere > > else,very nice looking! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 00:50:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4B83BE93; Tue, 6 May 2008 00:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Uz0Q2ibNc+u7q7uYEhzr1raLomy7v4ETy6hM8eK9DHn+qnVwkREV1F2BZgLRN2tQJ68FRe8TCA7eEJmtNJJ/jN9vI2216f0OIRQ/M9RCF5kRelKF9iYzJd1R1CYY6SBLfIYQwYItYVuKDHH98fmH6tx/DpdSkP1EnEqES/KLZaA=; X-YMail-OSG: TvD6pPMVM1nzvUzGX6JALvLjBNJmOdctTYdOxNrMfvPuJmMCMYn8F9215v2H_37QHopDzEpEJM7EZPcNz5RcU7TvaqSIgaSErSzwNkRdRfsvP1rJgEW8Dh2U6Kg- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College To: e t e r o g e n e o , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <019601c8aea3$80f12a10$4001a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <924788.47343.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:50:26 +0000 (UTC) yes beautiful stuff! Bill can you tell us what pedal steel you are using and fx proccessor? is most of the looping being done with the looperlative or are u using the EDP and Pter still? Luis --- e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Hi, > I thought i had seen all loping video on > youtube....but this morning i've > found this one with the Walker brothers...performing > at the Gavilan College > Institute for Digital Media and Entertainment on > July 2007. > Great looping and emotions > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeyNJXXc34c > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 01:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E2F63BE95; Tue, 6 May 2008 01:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 11452 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 06 May 2008 01:01:49 UTC Message-ID: <380-22008515215057190@M2W025.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.36 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:50:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT: Real Time Analysis (RTA) help? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 01:01:50 +0000 (UTC) I once rented an easy-to-use handheld real time analyzer(RTA)to analyze th= e sound of my listening room=2E I then used a graphic equalizer to compensa= te for the room acoustics=2E As a result the room sound was much better=2E The place that rents this equiment is hours away, so I'd rather not make the round trip two days in a row (to return the device)=2E Can anyone recommend a s/w product that will do this=3F e=2Eg=2E analyze= pink noise in 1/3 octaves=2E I'd guess I might need a special microphone and= a source of pink noise to play while my computer analyzes the sound=2E =20 -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 04:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70C13BE94; Tue, 6 May 2008 04:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <019601c8aea3$80f12a10$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <924788.47343.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <924788.47343.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:15:47 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c8af2f$dcec0c40$96c424c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcivEy1Xsk/hmlo5TcKAcMQBp45VmQAHJCmA Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <5oaHD.A.dLF.vt9HIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, really beautiful! And can you tell us who did the video? This is just the kind of "background" video I asked about in a separate thread about 'visualizers'. Qua -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:50 PM To: e t e r o g e n e o; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College yes beautiful stuff! Bill can you tell us what pedal steel you are using and fx proccessor? is most of the looping being done with the looperlative or are u using the EDP and Pter still? Luis --- e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Hi, > I thought i had seen all loping video on > youtube....but this morning i've > found this one with the Walker brothers...performing > at the Gavilan College > Institute for Digital Media and Entertainment on > July 2007. > Great looping and emotions > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeyNJXXc34c > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:07:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AOL-IP: 41.219.200.113 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: X-Spam-Flag: YES CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, THE HONORABLE, GOVERNOR OF CBN. TINUBU SQUARE, LAGOS- NIGERIA. Our Ref: CBN/OHG/OXD1/2008 Your Ref:.............................. TELEX: CENBANK. PAYMENT FILE: CBN/BEN/08. Attn: Beneficiary IMMEDIATE PAYMENT NOTIFICATION BENEFICIARY. Definitely, I know that this letter will be a surprising one to You. Firstly, I will like to introduce myself formally as Prof. Charles Soludo, the Executive Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN). You are been officially contacted by me today because your Inheritance Funds were Re-deposited into the "Federal Suspense Account" of CBN last week, because you did not forward your Claim As the Right beneficiary. Well known to all, The Central Bank of Nigeria is the mother Bank of all commercial Banks here in Nigeria. Really these men were unexpected by me because their visit was impromptu.i had to ask them why they came to see me in person And they said that they were here to collect the Inheritance Bill Sum of (US$20,000,000) which rightfully belongs to you, on your Behalf. At this development I asked them who authorized them to come down To Nigeria for the Collection of this Payment and they told me That you asked them to come and collect this Funds on your Behalf. infact this was the biggest shock that this Bank have ever Received so far because your Inheritance Funds is still in the "Federal Suspense Account" of CBN, yet you sent these men to come and collect this Funds on your behalf without notifying us. We in this Bank do not understand why you sent these men to comeand Collect your Funds on your behalf. If actually you want them to help you Collect your Inheritance Bill Sum, at least you should have informed me as the Executive Governor of this Bank. They actually tendered some Vital Documents which Proved that you actually sent them for the Collection of this Funds. Honestly, it really baffles me that you took such decision without my consent. Here are the Document which they tendered to this Bank today: 1. LETTER OF ADMINISTRATION. 2. HIGH COURT INJUCTION. 3. ORDER TO RELEASE. Actually, these Documents which they tendered to this Noble Bank is a clear Proof that you sent them to Collect this Funds for you. Finally, told them to come back tomorrow morning and they promised To come back. As the Governor of this Noble Bank, I was supposed to Release this Fund to them but I refused to do so because I wanted to hear from you first. Due to the Nature of my job, i will not want to make any mistake in Releasing this Funds to anyone except you whom is the Recognized Bonafide Beneficiary to this Funds. Kindly clarify us on this issue before we make this Payment to these foreigners whom came on your behalf. In receipt of this Confidential Letter, you are required to call Me immediately You receive this Letter Telephone: +2348081271956 OFFICIALLY SIGNED. PROF. CHARLES C. SOLUDO. GOVERNOR, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIAIMMEDIATE PAYMENT NOTIFICATION BENEFICIARY. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 14:24:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6AB53BE8B; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" , "LD List" References: Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:23:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself? Also, is there a point when I can get online using Ninjam and fiddle around with people I know, in advance of said shows? Thanks. S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "LD List" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) > Hi everyone, > > it's time again: this is the official call for "virtual performers" for > the > kybermusik events as part of Finloop (May 22nd) and Boise Experimental > Music > Festival III (May 31st). > > A. DESCRIPTION: > --------------- > kybermusik is the concept of two or more musicians playing together in > nearly real-time over an internet link. This works using a free software > called NinJam (www.ninjam.org), available for PC, Mac and Linux machines: > By rounding up the latency of the network connection to a "musically > meaningful" amount (e.g. four bars), you can play rhythmically in sync > even > over a connection with latency. > > Kybermusik's history started back in 2005 with a few first experimental > runs > together with our own Krispen Hartung. The first virtual concert with one > player in front of a live audience took place April 30th of 2006, Y2K6 > Loopfest saw the "biggest of its kind" kybermusik event yet. > Apart from that, several projects have come of this idea, including Daryl > Shawn/Jim Gooding and their www.chinapaintingmusic.com project (they met > at > the loopfest kybermusik session) and my collaborative "Quelques Papiers > D'Abord" album (http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7494/, free download). > > There will be > > B. TERMINOLOGY: > --------------- > Followingly, "live performers" are the performers in front of the live > audience (i.e. either Finloop or BEMF). "Virtual performers" are the > people > who are linked via the internet to the session. > > C. TECH RIDER: > -------------- > So what do you need to do kybermusik? > You need a mediocre computer (see www.ninjam.com for recommendations) with > the operating system of your choice: Windows 2k or later, OS X, Linux. > An audio interface connected to and working on that computer which allows > you to connect your instruments and monitors to it (normally, every audio > interface should work, although the ones with native ASIO support are > preferrable). > A way to get your playing into the audio interface. > Access to a chat service (ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, MSN) is not strictly > required but may be helpful. > An internet connection with low to mediocre bandwidth (128kbps outbound > and > 512kbps inbound are sufficient). > > Testing It: > There are test servers at http://www.ninjam.com/jamfarm/index.php. The > best > way to test your installation is to connect to these servers using the > Ninjam Client (you only need the client, not the server!) and see if it > works. > > D. EVENTS: > ---------- > 1. Finloop: http://www.alp.fi/finloop.html > Thursday May 22nd 2008, 19:00-21:00 local time (1600-1800 UTC) > Venue: Espoon kulttuurikeskuksen Louhi-Sali > > This is a live looping festival, featuring among others our own Rick > Walker > and Per Boysen. Expect the music to be loop-heavy (although it is not > required for the virtual performers to actually do looping themselves). > > 2. Boise Experimental Music Festival III: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ > Saturday May 31st, 13:00-19:00 local time (1900-0100+ UTC) > Venue: The Record Exchange, Boise > > As the name implies, an experimental music festival - not necessarily > looping, but it may happen and is not looked down upon. Playing in major > or > minor scales or using II-V-I or IV-V-I chord progressions is. ;) > > > E. APPLICATION PROCESS: > ----------------------- > Due to the fact that the performance events are approaching rapidly, I'd > like to ask applicants to apply NO LATER THAN May 4th (next Sunday). This > application must contain: > * link to your website > * short bio/description of act (may be contained on website) > * music samples (may be contained on website) > * which event you'd like to play ("both" is possible as an answer) > * for which time slots you'd be available (always state time as UTC. > Use www.timezoneconverter.com if and when in doubt) > * a confirmation that you have succesfully tested the Ninjam > software in your setup as described in (C) > > If you know of a "live performer" with whom you'd like to play together, > please do also state this preference. > > Following that, I'll contact you in CW19 to assign a slot to you and also > tell you with whom you'll be paired (or trio'd) with. > > Note that applications coming in late will only be considered if there are > still slots available! > > > So...thanks for your interest - and I'm gingerly waiting for your > applications. > > Best, > > Rainer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 14:32:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4293BEA2; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=xBJc7wX/2/fMFk1RE5+kv85y1sGi/8XIaGpBzytl7Q+6Fq1OK7OWJUFHSS9r5trXhNQlpr+cVyXJOzZ58QGzTBe6qqRCsG/HXilMLjDVAEJw8dD1qjxFhrUloD6gu30rtzWhELer728EtVdYIqSKzl+QjLri8TOgRFTCJ0r9l8c= ; X-YMail-OSG: COhmwfsVM1noZTpLd6JUSOG_FRIkm8pojviRU7nefyIROoEZo.2dNfGaDCIvcCWeSnfcLs4BzRCUZ_Uj9ZtTrqGQmW1rWwo_CeDDQq1zEp1JlPMAJPcDCh4qR5N9PShMREsZB1xD5azL9lUEgpI6pUjx X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matt Stevens Subject: Advice Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:32:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey Team Lopers Hows it going guys - quick question - does anyone know if you can buy the boomerang looper anywhere in the UK - googled but no luck - any ideas? If not can anyone suggest a good alternative - I was considering the RC50 but apprently there is a glitch that stops it looping and it doesn't fade out the old sounds as you overdub new ones like on the DL4. Also I need a loop once button! (and to to be able to have 2 loops switchable and an undo button). I hope you can help as i really want to advance past the DL4 sound Thanks in advance MS PS The Looping podcast is coming soon!(time/wedding preporations are against me) Also anyone got any mastering service recommendations? www.mattstevensguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 14:34:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40CC83BEA6; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BFFpl2luchvsaXVakqmLiqLBHC+ONUh9DtQwzmq09OQ=; b=A6vfftRARt4Gaagn4eahx7i4w1YWL/8dpS6afRBGawCUh9Ynb6DP7NcrnpOtS5hLbZUkDqZGb4yfTTdy/LaTw7ARDVvKplQT9IKatMZHMcokFG6OptwaTPgOjxG6PtRbIGwfTSaCC09KZUgQlw39Q25JaTmywpQNNMyjWGljyE8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VJW2oR4RsLDnt8XKzCKl00cnjiwYEU1bH3tuBl/E9JtZoRDLqCgSY0+y7CXXWm6RhxLfCeBZ3QdG0f23BW09Je+zpl9UWLghHOLOdGwovwuc9FgYpQ0GR7ZRH5rUpTuzv1XV5seGFivBgtzAyIw9q2qTcOAjeeFGzUbPGvpV99U= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805060734n3ffb3e26p74d8685a5934dbc5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:34:14 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) In-Reply-To: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:34:15 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself? I did. > > Also, is there a point when I can get online using Ninjam and fiddle around > with people I know, in advance of said shows? Thanks. I read up on http://www.ninjam.com/ and it seems to me you simply start the server program and someone else can log in to play with you. Back at Loopfest 2006 in Santa Cruz I found it working very well, given you just listen and play and not try looking at the screen or finding out about "the tempo" or similar obscurities ;-) If it sounds ok on your side it will sound ok at the other end of the wire it seems. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 14:40:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5EF3BEA2; Tue, 6 May 2008 14:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8XsUHiwz7h/mZR5LQmlMcIhYc9f2c8RIODQI8/FQCh8=; b=tVdpI61kBQuhtN6aqcxVaAisqkf/RR+8ABWT5JKfSCRXwE8z3NZsalri0L7jcjr4F1zO2FV0LEfoxqyJTR06YZPeN5LsoZQFml5CueH8Yx/Xf3erXUj4U28+MEcTHbqtOSUJafFQI3Pkvn6qmL+lZIx7vKUtEDLKWXZk080sqWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nYBvRzj54Urp4VsIz6+o+ILHOLpakSaX9XvY6cDxbYnOta7HJOSO5tg2GT14srpw3ztY4ru40NNrPQHf3WaJLJUDH1ruh2iy0s9MexQJGJgjCZ6AojHYndpfQy/DYoomLs+aG9hLBeDq5VauW5Z+FBe9qQWT8iQlGAdr38wIKQs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:40:34 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) In-Reply-To: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:40:36 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself? I did it for the Y2k6 loopfest and it was a blast. I'd like to do it again, unfortunately, I'm moving and all my stuff is in several piles in the living room... dining room... basement... bedroom.. in boxes. -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 15:45:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E99E3BEAE; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 06 May 2008 15:45:28 UTC Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:45:04 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <48206EF0.6070304@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:45:28 +0000 (UTC) > Ehm.. I fail to see how you'd have feedback problems with a sealed IEM? > Of cause, you may be talking about feedback generated elsewhere, being > fed to your IEM.. You're right of course wrt an application where you're performing solo or where you're controlling both the monitor mix and all the other open mics onstage. Have had several bad experiences with a sound man that only knew he 'should' have a compressor on the vocals but had no idea how to actually use it. Big feedback problems until we insisted he just pull it out of the rack . We were using regular stage monitors at the time. > Please explain the use of an expander here? My understanding of an expander is vague, but my thought was to make sure there was always sufficient level without permitting the compressor/limiter to boost the level. As you say -this probably could be achieved with just a 2-stage compressor. Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) > From: > van Sinn > Date: > Mon, 05 May 2008 18:46:22 +0200 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Dan Ash wrote: >> >> I'm another skeptic of in-ear monitors - so I don't speak from >> experience here... I would point out that compressors in general, if >> improperly used, are prime feedback offenders. > > Ehm.. I fail to see how you'd have feedback problems with a sealed IEM? > Of cause, you may be talking about feedback generated elsewhere, being > fed to your IEM.. > >> I don't care for headphones much either, but they've got to be much >> more easily removed in the event of feedback. >> >> Maybe a 2-stage expander->limiter would provide a predictable level >> in an in-ear system. > > Please explain the use of an expander here? I's have no problems with > a 2-stage system comprised of a low-ratio soft-knee limiter plus a > hard limiter to cut the really damaging tops really fast. > > And I can understand Buzap's worries for picked-up interfEARenses > *post* a limiter. Makes sense to me, hense, I too would want it as > part of my reciever package - *after* the actual reciever. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 15:45:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2F23BE9E; Tue, 6 May 2008 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=swSDw9vxpgXiJZZS+IBxUeNRa44uVmdrLQb/7T65m7g=; b=Y5dUUtlRFT2k9Eby0eG1scYR5gUEjgX0tiw5BizkFVwhBALrfh1xactWvz5sfO+nPXZsUB2TvP/ypKAbl4C3fxqMa6iDgEmoBygvajNZ5wjtzrTVnTFlBl7ceqmm1DjmLRDL1+jhEBvHNZx845/gpLUhkljPy41fDHbDlCZirhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z2TmTdXl+6o8ohkOd0qsndvtNnq5v4ggYfm12Jkh0Lp/E46MOF+AAhz5fzcrd6xJb/IQNc4zQkgC333IdEhqjCpzVCclI12gcCRaBIrk+C0x8ZoaZyJDZyKBswsv4LRM54EF07v2dFjUaPVZ39aogLF0NEAqcvG16eQD1lno0VE= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805060845v48c0bb57gb0ed9fa63ab3560f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:45:55 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) In-Reply-To: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20436_11124637.1210088756056" References: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: <-CohSB.A.E2.30HIIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20436_11124637.1210088756056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I did for Boise. I'll possibly be playing some fiddle too Stephen... Jim [Goodin] www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/eastofwhere On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself? > > Also, is there a point when I can get online using Ninjam and fiddle > around with people I know, in advance of said shows? Thanks. > > S. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > To: "LD List" > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:53 PM > Subject: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May > 22nd) > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > it's time again: this is the official call for "virtual performers" for > > the > > kybermusik events as part of Finloop (May 22nd) and Boise Experimental > > Music > > Festival III (May 31st). > > > > A. DESCRIPTION: > > --------------- > > kybermusik is the concept of two or more musicians playing together in > > nearly real-time over an internet link. This works using a free software > > called NinJam (www.ninjam.org), available for PC, Mac and Linux > > machines: > > By rounding up the latency of the network connection to a "musically > > meaningful" amount (e.g. four bars), you can play rhythmically in sync > > even > > over a connection with latency. > > > > Kybermusik's history started back in 2005 with a few first experimental > > runs > > together with our own Krispen Hartung. The first virtual concert with > > one > > player in front of a live audience took place April 30th of 2006, Y2K6 > > Loopfest saw the "biggest of its kind" kybermusik event yet. > > Apart from that, several projects have come of this idea, including > > Daryl > > Shawn/Jim Gooding and their www.chinapaintingmusic.com project (they met > > at > > the loopfest kybermusik session) and my collaborative "Quelques Papiers > > D'Abord" album (http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7494/, free download). > > > > There will be > > > > B. TERMINOLOGY: > > --------------- > > Followingly, "live performers" are the performers in front of the live > > audience (i.e. either Finloop or BEMF). "Virtual performers" are the > > people > > who are linked via the internet to the session. > > > > C. TECH RIDER: > > -------------- > > So what do you need to do kybermusik? > > You need a mediocre computer (see www.ninjam.com for recommendations) > > with > > the operating system of your choice: Windows 2k or later, OS X, Linux. > > An audio interface connected to and working on that computer which > > allows > > you to connect your instruments and monitors to it (normally, every > > audio > > interface should work, although the ones with native ASIO support are > > preferrable). > > A way to get your playing into the audio interface. > > Access to a chat service (ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, MSN) is not strictly > > required but may be helpful. > > An internet connection with low to mediocre bandwidth (128kbps outbound > > and > > 512kbps inbound are sufficient). > > > > Testing It: > > There are test servers at http://www.ninjam.com/jamfarm/index.php. The > > best > > way to test your installation is to connect to these servers using the > > Ninjam Client (you only need the client, not the server!) and see if it > > works. > > > > D. EVENTS: > > ---------- > > 1. Finloop: http://www.alp.fi/finloop.html > > Thursday May 22nd 2008, 19:00-21:00 local time (1600-1800 UTC) > > Venue: Espoon kulttuurikeskuksen Louhi-Sali > > > > This is a live looping festival, featuring among others our own Rick > > Walker > > and Per Boysen. Expect the music to be loop-heavy (although it is not > > required for the virtual performers to actually do looping themselves). > > > > 2. Boise Experimental Music Festival III: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ > > Saturday May 31st, 13:00-19:00 local time (1900-0100+ UTC) > > Venue: The Record Exchange, Boise > > > > As the name implies, an experimental music festival - not necessarily > > looping, but it may happen and is not looked down upon. Playing in major > > or > > minor scales or using II-V-I or IV-V-I chord progressions is. ;) > > > > > > E. APPLICATION PROCESS: > > ----------------------- > > Due to the fact that the performance events are approaching rapidly, I'd > > like to ask applicants to apply NO LATER THAN May 4th (next Sunday). > > This > > application must contain: > > * link to your website > > * short bio/description of act (may be contained on website) > > * music samples (may be contained on website) > > * which event you'd like to play ("both" is possible as an answer) > > * for which time slots you'd be available (always state time as UTC. > > Use www.timezoneconverter.com if and when in doubt) > > * a confirmation that you have succesfully tested the Ninjam > > software in your setup as described in (C) > > > > If you know of a "live performer" with whom you'd like to play together, > > please do also state this preference. > > > > Following that, I'll contact you in CW19 to assign a slot to you and > > also > > tell you with whom you'll be paired (or trio'd) with. > > > > Note that applications coming in late will only be considered if there > > are > > still slots available! > > > > > > So...thanks for your interest - and I'm gingerly waiting for your > > applications. > > > > Best, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_20436_11124637.1210088756056 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    I did for Boise.  I'll possibly be playing some fiddle too Stephen...
     
    Jim [Goodin]


     
    On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
    Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself?

    Also, is there a point when I can get online using Ninjam and fiddle around with people I know, in advance of said shows?  Thanks.

    S.

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>

    To: "LD List" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:53 PM
    Subject: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd)



    Hi everyone,

    it's time again: this is the official call for "virtual performers" for the
    kybermusik events as part of Finloop (May 22nd) and Boise Experimental Music
    Festival III (May 31st).

    A. DESCRIPTION:
    ---------------
    kybermusik is the concept of two or more musicians playing together in
    nearly real-time over an internet link. This works using a free software
    called NinJam (www.ninjam.org), available for PC, Mac and Linux machines:
    By rounding up the latency of the network connection to a "musically
    meaningful" amount (e.g. four bars), you can play rhythmically in sync even
    over a connection with latency.

    Kybermusik's history started back in 2005 with a few first experimental runs
    together with our own Krispen Hartung. The first virtual concert with one
    player in front of a live audience took place April 30th of 2006, Y2K6
    Loopfest saw the "biggest of its kind" kybermusik event yet.
    Apart from that, several projects have come of this idea, including Daryl
    Shawn/Jim Gooding and their www.chinapaintingmusic.com project (they met at
    the loopfest kybermusik session) and my collaborative "Quelques Papiers
    D'Abord" album (http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/7494/, free download).

    There will be

    B. TERMINOLOGY:
    ---------------
    Followingly, "live performers" are the performers in front of the live
    audience (i.e. either Finloop or BEMF). "Virtual performers" are the people
    who are linked via the internet to the session.

    C. TECH RIDER:
    --------------
    So what do you need to do kybermusik?
    You need a mediocre computer (see www.ninjam.com for recommendations) with
    the operating system of your choice: Windows 2k or later, OS X, Linux.
    An audio interface connected to and working on that computer which allows
    you to connect your instruments and monitors to it (normally, every audio
    interface should work, although the ones with native ASIO support are
    preferrable).
    A way to get your playing into the audio interface.
    Access to a chat service (ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, MSN) is not strictly
    required but may be helpful.
    An internet connection with low to mediocre bandwidth (128kbps outbound and
    512kbps inbound are sufficient).

    Testing It:
    There are test servers at http://www.ninjam.com/jamfarm/index.php. The best
    way to test your installation is to connect to these servers using the
    Ninjam Client (you only need the client, not the server!) and see if it
    works.

    D. EVENTS:
    ----------
    1. Finloop: http://www.alp.fi/finloop.html
    Thursday May 22nd 2008, 19:00-21:00 local time (1600-1800 UTC)
    Venue: Espoon kulttuurikeskuksen Louhi-Sali

    This is a live looping festival, featuring among others our own Rick Walker
    and Per Boysen. Expect the music to be loop-heavy (although it is not
    required for the virtual performers to actually do looping themselves).

    2. Boise Experimental Music Festival III:
    http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/
    Saturday May 31st, 13:00-19:00 local time (1900-0100+ UTC)
    Venue: The Record Exchange, Boise

    As the name implies, an experimental music festival - not necessarily
    looping, but it may happen and is not looked down upon. Playing in major or
    minor scales or using II-V-I or IV-V-I chord progressions is. ;)


    E. APPLICATION PROCESS:
    -----------------------
    Due to the fact that the performance events are approaching rapidly, I'd
    like to ask applicants to apply NO LATER THAN May 4th (next Sunday). This
    application must contain:
    * link to your website
    * short bio/description of act (may be contained on website)
    * music samples (may be contained on website)
    * which event you'd like to play ("both" is possible as an answer)
    * for which time slots you'd be available (always state time as UTC.
    Use www.timezoneconverter.com if and when in doubt)
    * a confirmation that you have succesfully tested the Ninjam
    software in your setup as described in (C)

    If you know of a "live performer" with whom you'd like to play together,
    please do also state this preference.

    Following that, I'll contact you in CW19 to assign a slot to you and also
    tell you with whom you'll be paired (or trio'd) with.

    Note that applications coming in late will only be considered if there are
    still slots available!


    So...thanks for your interest - and I'm gingerly waiting for your
    applications.

    Best,

    Rainer









    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_20436_11124637.1210088756056-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 16:13:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D4543BEA2; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:14:22 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: AW: Announcing electro-music 2008 In-reply-to: <29931652.1209481108929.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <482083DE.9030105@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <10260243.1208813295596.JavaMail.root@m05> <48172FA3.1090804@soundscapes.us> <29931652.1209481108929.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Dennis Moser wrote: > I, for one, hope to catch up with you and Greg and meet Howard ... so > I hope I will be there. > Hi Dennis, I hope you're there, too. It seems that there is a lot of cross over between Different Skies, City Skies, and electro-music. There's even a little cross over with the Ricochet Gathering. There are just too few EM events. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 16:16:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC8F23BEAF; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:16:27 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4820845B.5010502@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: <8vQ_rD.A.trB.tRIIIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:16:45 +0000 (UTC) > who did the video? Not sure if this was used at the Gavilan College performance, but check out a product called 'Edirol MD-P1-S Motion Dive Tokyo'. It's a hardware controller that connects to your laptop and to a video projector. It allows you to loop or trigger two separate video clips and fade between/superimpose them. The GUI is like a DJ mixer, except for video. I'm pretty sure you can manipulate the video by interacting with the outboard controller or using the mouse. You obviously need to put together a library of images and video loops, as opposed to some of the very cool video synthesizers discussed in the thread a week or so back... Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > RE: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College > From: > "Qua Veda" > Date: > Mon, 5 May 2008 21:15:47 -0700 > > To: > > > > Yes, really beautiful! And can you tell us who did the video? This is > just the kind of "background" video I asked about in a separate thread about > 'visualizers'. > > > Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 16:57:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837473BEAE; Tue, 6 May 2008 16:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=giEnPFg/mVEftK/9nLQ6JyRyZJcFTFR0swKYE4FXsVnSx2LR+xduo1SRZwDQvyu2O9q1O6f+i81uQvs5Zv5LEOQaHIlI5GXmvvhMqIeGJr89CBvoj1Lmx/vZdEsRl5ET5tNLAO3m0f7lzhVEbF2ck9M3x97gH91ioiZw+8lpFO4=; X-YMail-OSG: UMzV2AIVM1lArm.OOGZ.fJ04txRiEvXv8xSFWvou.TpO9d7V.nn5dr_OBl5iyVb7gQ-- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-803090135-1210093045=:14367" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <778223.14367.qm@web53003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:57:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-803090135-1210093045=:14367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Matt, afaik, the boomerang looper Mk2 is not available to buy in the UK. I have been following the development of the Mk3, but haven't had any firm assurances about it's likely to become available in the UK. It hasn't yet been released in the US. You could email Mike Nelson on the boomerang website http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ to see what is planned. I am certainly interested in this myself. Stephen Matt Stevens wrote: Hey Team Lopers Hows it going guys - quick question - does anyone know if you can buy the boomerang looper anywhere in the UK - googled but no luck - any ideas? If not can anyone suggest a good alternative - I was considering the RC50 but apprently there is a glitch that stops it looping and it doesn't fade out the old sounds as you overdub new ones like on the DL4. Also I need a loop once button! (and to to be able to have 2 loops switchable and an undo button). I hope you can help as i really want to advance past the DL4 sound Thanks in advance MS PS The Looping podcast is coming soon!(time/wedding preporations are against me) Also anyone got any mastering service recommendations? www.mattstevensguitar.com --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-803090135-1210093045=:14367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Matt,

    afaik, the boomerang looper Mk2 is not available to buy in the UK.  I have been following the development of the Mk3, but haven't had any firm assurances about it's likely to become available in the UK.  It hasn't yet been released in the US.  You could email Mike Nelson on the boomerang website http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ to see what is planned.  I am certainly interested in this myself.

    Stephen

    Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Hey Team Lopers

    Hows it going guys - quick question - does anyone know if you can buy
    the boomerang looper anywhere in the UK - googled but no luck - any
    ideas?

    If not can anyone suggest a good alternative - I was considering the
    RC50 but apprently there is a glitch that stops it looping and it
    doesn't fade out the old sounds as you overdub new ones like on the
    DL4. Also I need a loop once button! (and to to be able to have 2
    loops switchable and an undo button).

    I hope you can help as i really want to advance past the DL4 sound

    Thanks in advance


    MS

    PS The Looping podcast is coming soon!(time/wedding preporations are
    against me)

    Also anyone got any mastering service recommendations?

    www.mattstevensguitar.com



    Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-803090135-1210093045=:14367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B173BEB9; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=03zvHp0nLfwEuPH3cRg7D68gbEpLb4vUzo2mknstOtG7ojJCy7q3aJuS/GzUOnncjW6o8sdOSdrjtzafio9B8WTW78fWOAefu0LMz45070c+pxBHXWPKIijY8+AS+eJLwGQHT+/ibQMeYgOeOL4QtD0k5qSExnecL5xtxO9cNCo= ; X-YMail-OSG: X9NTV3AVM1k13xt35w9kKoWaQvic.YMCV8J9EJU4csCYqS76mYcysj7opo4NosffBabuNDvgP1cBoH29TKG.rHEYICA_SHl7mlBRmIBnmYtow3a9ew371hNOB7J_Fq8flTqnniDPHd3uW4Q2lxBfGihR X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <778223.14367.qm@web53003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <778223.14367.qm@web53003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--142017160 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Advice Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:03:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:03:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--142017160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Would a USA one work ok over here? On 6 May 2008, at 17:57, Stephen Scott wrote: > Hi Matt, > > afaik, the boomerang looper Mk2 is not available to buy in the UK. > I have been following the development of the Mk3, but haven't had > any firm assurances about it's likely to become available in the > UK. It hasn't yet been released in the US. You could email Mike > Nelson on the boomerang website http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ to > see what is planned. I am certainly interested in this myself. > > Stephen > > Matt Stevens wrote: > Hey Team Lopers > > Hows it going guys - quick question - does anyone know if you can buy > the boomerang looper anywhere in the UK - googled but no luck - any > ideas? > > If not can anyone suggest a good alternative - I was considering the > RC50 but apprently there is a glitch that stops it looping and it > doesn't fade out the old sounds as you overdub new ones like on the > DL4. Also I need a loop once button! (and to to be able to have 2 > loops switchable and an undo button). > > I hope you can help as i really want to advance past the DL4 sound > > Thanks in advance > > > MS > > PS The Looping podcast is coming soon!(time/wedding preporations are > against me) > > Also anyone got any mastering service recommendations? > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. --Apple-Mail-3--142017160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Would a USA one work ok over here?


    On 6 May = 2008, at 17:57, Stephen Scott wrote:

    Hi = Matt,

    afaik, the boomerang looper Mk2 is not available to buy in = the UK.=A0 I have been following the development of the Mk3, but haven't = had any firm assurances about it's likely to become available in the = UK.=A0 It hasn't yet been released in the US.=A0 You could email Mike = Nelson on the boomerang website http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ = to see what is planned.=A0 I am certainly interested in this = myself.

    Stephen

    Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinter= net.com> wrote:
    Hey Team Lopers

    Hows it going guys - quick = question - does anyone know if you can buy
    the boomerang looper = anywhere in the UK - googled but no luck - any
    ideas?

    If not = can anyone suggest a good alternative - I was considering the
    RC50 = but apprently there is a glitch that stops it looping and it =
    doesn't fade out the old sounds as you overdub new ones like on the =
    DL4. Also I need a loop once button! (and to to be able to have 2 =
    loops switchable and an undo button).

    I hope you can help as = i really want to advance past the DL4 sound

    Thanks in = advance


    MS

    PS The Looping podcast is coming = soon!(time/wedding preporations are
    against me)

    Also anyone = got any mastering service = recommendations?

    www.mattstevensguitar.com


    =

    Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! = Mobile. Try it = now.

    = --Apple-Mail-3--142017160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 17:22:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A363BEC1; Tue, 6 May 2008 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6XTZumZu1VgTobp8Yczq/ERwjFV7EZO00Mll4i8X/r8=; b=uR8Jwg8cilG4rtfnnc9WK8RAQMzHfwaqmanv7/KQ82I8RV2TiIhy6OE3eJT9jrf/jfGFvUaxe7mozPWUWmvRMT4665UmSDeHddNx8F9iCrq10R0MhYppHZ1Au+GBjaScGG3VVYYJPl7/yL1fUTW6DDEr9NTN+jr6Hkz3fdn+3OQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nWVu815LeSqA8geq0rUyZLoG4i7b44kw2o7pVBI+iy4VLh0XQwx0PHYcok5AjmFrhBUr94zEA5W5tjTp6xzjv7wgnBwxfWGIu23+fFVB3ioA1KGREmd7cTBbLYY9MXwApi917mgYQMAn6gzckk9TtD3fAuvur2BpFTT9AetyhnA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:22:18 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Advice In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18545_17174534.1210094538052" References: <778223.14367.qm@web53003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18545_17174534.1210094538052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You just need a UK power supply. The UK Line6 adaptor works (same one as for the DL-4). TH On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Would a USA one work ok over here? > > > > ------=_Part_18545_17174534.1210094538052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You just need a UK power supply.  The UK Line6 adaptor works (same one as for the DL-4).

    TH

    On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Would a USA one work ok over here?




    ------=_Part_18545_17174534.1210094538052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 18:29:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C49913BEB2; Tue, 6 May 2008 18:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3cee14c5-4ac4-4c18-80de-402d014a7b6d_" X-Originating-IP: [69.29.124.38] From: J Johans To: Subject: What MIDI foot controller do you use? Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:29:06 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <380-22008515215057190@M2W025.mail2web.com> References: <380-22008515215057190@M2W025.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2008 18:29:06.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[1145DE90:01C8AFA7] Resent-Message-ID: <8Cz1ZB.A.5pF.zNKIIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:29:07 +0000 (UTC) --_3cee14c5-4ac4-4c18-80de-402d014a7b6d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hola ive been using the original version ground controls for controlling my repe= ater rig -=20 =20 i need a controller that can send CC data with a single button push, no kno= bs or pedals involved i.e. to erase a loop on a repeater, it has to get a value of 123 on CC # 10= 8...i cant seem to do this with the original ground control =20 with bank4 mode, i can have the top 6 buttons send CC, but it seems as if i= ts either an on or off value, where i need to send the value 123 =20 =20 any suggestions for a new pedal would be awesome! im simply looking for a pedal that has 10 buttons, and each can send CC or = PC data i really enjoy the way the ground control is laid out as i dont want any pe= dals to get into my way (behringer) =20 thanks fro _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refre= sh_skydrive_052008= --_3cee14c5-4ac4-4c18-80de-402d014a7b6d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hola
    ive been using the original version ground controls for controlling my repe= ater rig -
     
    i need a controller that can send CC data with a single button push, n= o knobs or pedals involved
    i.e. to erase a loop on a repeater, it has to get a value of 123 on CC # 10= 8...i cant seem to do this with the original ground control
     
    with bank4 mode, i can have the top 6 buttons send CC, but it seems as= if its either an on or off value, where i need to send the value 123<= BR>  
     
    any suggestions for a new pedal would be awesome!
    im simply looking for a pedal that has 10 buttons, and each can send CC or = PC data
    i really enjoy the way the ground control is laid out as i dont want any pe= dals to get into my way (behringer)
     
    thanks
    fro


    Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with fara= way friends. Start sharing.<= /a> = --_3cee14c5-4ac4-4c18-80de-402d014a7b6d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 19:11:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD893BEA6; Tue, 6 May 2008 19:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 921 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 06 May 2008 19:11:09 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprynet.com; b=rOu0UEm1kSVscOad9OR88v+5w5m+sBZcYbsj90BPWloCQdGbTzDclEecMlahGxwl; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "Brad's Mail" To: Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C8AF80.E4DCCF10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 5845cf3728b4ed5d1745d4e921052fe1faef81d128501e5d5f190fcd02df2570c9e225d37e905d44ec0afdfd49d62b75350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.245.27.137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:11:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C8AF80.E4DCCF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did for 3 Pups Music for both fest shows but we've heard nothing back. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) I did for Boise. I'll possibly be playing some fiddle too Stephen... Jim [Goodin] www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/eastofwhere Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.10/1367 - Release Date: 4/9/2008 7:10 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C8AF80.E4DCCF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I did for 3 Pups Music for both fest shows but = we've heard=20 nothing back.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Goodin=20 [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 06, = 2008 10:46=20 AM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re:=20 kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May=20 22nd)

    I did for Boise.  I'll possibly be playing some fiddle = too=20 Stephen...
     
    Jim [Goodin]
    www.myspace.com/jimgoodinm= usic
    www.myspace.com/chinap= aintingmusic
    www.myspace.com/eastofwhere


     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C8AF80.E4DCCF10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 6 22:44:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C624D3BE91; Tue, 6 May 2008 22:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaUMjHWRkxtG9WcyOgg== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 00:44:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcivhyXRAfh/ArGITM6MWwUTZPJqKQAQxytg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:44:30 +0000 (UTC) > I did it for the Y2k6 loopfest and it was a blast. I'd like > to do it again, unfortunately, I'm moving and all my stuff is > in several piles in the living room... dining room... > basement... bedroom.. in boxes. Oh, come on Tony (making chicken-like noises and movements)...obviously, judging from the fact that you have infrastructure to read and write LD, you already got a computer with internet connection set up. That means you got a whopping two weeks until Finloop and more than three weeks until BEMF to dig up an instrument of your choice and an audio interface from your boxes...and while you're searching for those, also connect any (looping) effects you may find along the way...;) To cut a long story short: yes, it was a blast. I'd be happy to have you again! Rainer ps: all of the people who applied for a spot in those kybermusik events should have received an email update by now (and some already answered it). If you have contacted me and not received an email today, please send me an email again, please! From account-service@royalbank.com Tue May 6 23:59:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 14758 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 06 May 2008 23:59:14 UTC Received: from medialink.nexpoint.net (medialink.nexpoint.net [128.121.31.126]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E303BE6F for ; Tue, 6 May 2008 23:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16568 invoked from network); 6 May 2008 12:55:09 -0400 Received: from static-68-162-94-8.phil.east.verizon.net (HELO User) (68.162.94.8) by 128.121.31.113 with SMTP; 6 May 2008 12:55:09 -0400 From: "IMPORTANT - Customer Service Message" Subject: Royal Bank of Canada Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:54:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20080506235914.85E303BE6F@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; RBC Royal Bank - Online Banking
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 00:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A97D3BE93; Wed, 7 May 2008 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4820FB8E.5050205@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:45:02 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kbyermusik - call for performers: BEMF3 (May 31st), Finloop (May 22nd) References: <000c01c8af84$d1913f00$0501a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 00:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Stephen Goodman > wrote: >> Who from LD has raised their hand besides myself? > > I did it for the Y2k6 loopfest and it was a blast. I'd like to do it > again, unfortunately, I'm moving and all my stuff is in several piles > in the living room... dining room... basement... bedroom.. in boxes. > I did the Y2k6jam as well. A good time, except when my computer audio interface decided to go catatonic for awhile. I've signed up for Boise with Daryl Shawn; I'll be playing soprano and/or tenor sax, and an EWI driving a Nord Modular and various laptop noises, feeding a Looperlative. Which reminds me--has anyone here used the Ninjam client on an Intel Mac? The newest client on the website dates back to 2005, and I want to make sure it works under emulation before I waste an hour fooling with it. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 03:26:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CED523BE8D; Wed, 7 May 2008 03:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 23:20:23 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Doctor T with the Impromptu 3 and dancer Claire Barratt 119 Gallery, Lowell MA. 05.10.08 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 03:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations with a very special ensemble at 119 Gallery in Lowell this Saturday May 10 @119 Gallery, 8:00 PM Improvisations -- Doctor T with the Impromptu 3 and Cilla Vee Doctor T -- Video Mixing Michael Bloom -- Table Guitar and Bass Eric Crawley -- Harpejji, synth and electronic percussion. Karen Langlie Augmented cello. Claire Barratt (Cilla Vee Movement Project) Movement, The Harpejji from Marcodi Instruments (www.marcodi.com) is a 24 string tapping instrument, and a special treat to hear. The last time we played was the first time some of us had Met, let alone played together and it sounded and looked like we'd been playing together for years. This Saturday we will be joined by one of my all-time favorite collaborators, Claire Barratt, who's slow movement in front of the projected images adds new dimensions of depth and trippiness to the proceedings. $5-10 donation. 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell 978 452 8138 http://www.119gallery.org/ Hope you can make it. Culinary Note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant in a building next to the gallery. I'll be performing again at Outpost 186 in Cambridge with instrumentalists and a poet on Friday May 16. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 06:56:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11053BE8D; Wed, 7 May 2008 06:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 16993 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 07 May 2008 06:56:35 UTC X-Arnet-Anti-Spam: Activado X-Arnet-AV: Activado In-Reply-To: <019601c8aea3$80f12a10$4001a8c0@pcfabio> References: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <019601c8aea3$80f12a10$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ariel Rzezak Subject: Bill Walker - Lap Steel Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:15:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 06:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, can you tell me what tuning are you using on your lap steel? Thanks, Ariel. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 11:48:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3572D3BE91; Wed, 7 May 2008 11:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 30435401 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Roland MC-09/other cheapass 303 clones/Vortex Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:48:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72085B606C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <481C111E.7010401@sasktel.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Roland MC-09/other cheapass 303 clones/Vortex Thread-Index: AciwOEpYF9wmAfs6QFmscJHVJvfO/g== References: <481C111E.7010401@sasktel.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2008 11:48:48.0223 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FB8D6F0:01C8B038] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:48:50 +0000 (UTC) >>i keep missing auctions. got no time to fish. got clams. need fish. got fish? want clams? send fish. no sham. just clams. want fish. send time.=20 need got no. i wish. keep missing. fish. doc oc shun no on the dock of the 'bay...miskeep time... hey.<< I'll sell you a vortex.... prob'ly still got the box somewhere too. d.=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). 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MTV Networks Europe is a partnership between MTV Networks Europe=20 Inc. and Viacom Networks Europe Inc. Address for service in Great Britain=20 is UK House, 180 Oxford Street, London W1D 1DS, UK. From raylogin43@luckymail.com Wed May 7 12:31:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9F33BE88; Wed, 7 May 2008 12:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from raylogin43@luckymail.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id r.cd2.30a6c268 (37659); Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from User (dial-pool40.lg.starcomms.net [41.219.201.28]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB071-931b4821a0de171; Wed, 07 May 2008 08:30:54 -0400 Reply-To: From: "PROF. CHARLES C. SOLUDO." Subject: IMMEDIATE PAYMENT NOTIFICATION BENEFICIARY. Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:30:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AOL-IP: 41.219.201.28 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: X-Spam-Flag: YES CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, THE HONORABLE, GOVERNOR OF CBN. TINUBU SQUARE, LAGOS- NIGERIA. Our Ref: CBN/OHG/OXD1/2008 Your Ref:.............................. TELEX: CENBANK. PAYMENT FILE: CBN/BEN/08. Attn: Beneficiary IMMEDIATE PAYMENT NOTIFICATION BENEFICIARY. Definitely, I know that this letter will be a surprising one to You. Firstly, I will like to introduce myself formally as Prof. Charles Soludo, the Executive Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN). You are been officially contacted by me today because your Inheritance Funds were Re-deposited into the "Federal Suspense Account" of CBN last week, because you did not forward your Claim As the Right beneficiary. Well known to all, The Central Bank of Nigeria is the mother Bank of all commercial Banks here in Nigeria. Really these men were unexpected by me because their visit was impromptu.i had to ask them why they came to see me in person And they said that they were here to collect the Inheritance Bill Sum of (US$20,000,000) which rightfully belongs to you, on your Behalf. At this development I asked them who authorized them to come down To Nigeria for the Collection of this Payment and they told me That you asked them to come and collect this Funds on your Behalf. infact this was the biggest shock that this Bank have ever Received so far because your Inheritance Funds is still in the "Federal Suspense Account" of CBN, yet you sent these men to come and collect this Funds on your behalf without notifying us. We in this Bank do not understand why you sent these men to comeand Collect your Funds on your behalf. If actually you want them to help you Collect your Inheritance Bill Sum, at least you should have informed me as the Executive Governor of this Bank. They actually tendered some Vital Documents which Proved that you actually sent them for the Collection of this Funds. Honestly, it really baffles me that you took such decision without my consent. Here are the Document which they tendered to this Bank today: 1. LETTER OF ADMINISTRATION. 2. HIGH COURT INJUCTION. 3. ORDER TO RELEASE. Actually, these Documents which they tendered to this Noble Bank is a clear Proof that you sent them to Collect this Funds for you. Finally, told them to come back tomorrow morning and they promised To come back. As the Governor of this Noble Bank, I was supposed to Release this Fund to them but I refused to do so because I wanted to hear from you first. Due to the Nature of my job, i will not want to make any mistake in Releasing this Funds to anyone except you whom is the Recognized Bonafide Beneficiary to this Funds. Kindly clarify us on this issue before we make this Payment to these foreigners whom came on your behalf. In receipt of this Confidential Letter, you are required to call Me immediately You receive this Letter Telephone: +2348081271956 OFFICIALLY SIGNED. PROF. CHARLES C. SOLUDO. GOVERNOR, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 13:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618373BE95; Wed, 7 May 2008 13:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4821ACCD.4030607@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:21:17 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: sound to picture meta.../hendrix is jazz? References: <939141.34130.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <939141.34130.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-7A_qD.A.CKF.QzaIIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:21:20 +0000 (UTC) scott hansen schrieb: > there was also someone who came up w/ the light organ thing (can't > remember date or who-i think i missed that in my paper)... Scriabin... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 20:49:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BE0D3BEA2; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4822165D.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 22:51:41 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Compact harmonizer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:49:44 +0000 (UTC) I need a compact harmonizer, sounding as good as the Digitech TSR-24, which I've used for some time with excellent results. I'm trying to keep my rack down in size, and while the TSR is really great, I just don't utilize all of it's capabilities.. Now, if only Eventide had a compact model like the Time/ModFactors.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 20:54:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C9293BEBE; Wed, 7 May 2008 20:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:56:59 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Compact harmonizer In-reply-to: <4822165D.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <78A2E95B-58EF-4201-B63A-A1B9AFBB4489@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4822165D.8030207@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:54:19 +0000 (UTC) > Now, if only Eventide had a compact model like the Time/ModFactors.. Give it time. There will be a PitchFactor eventually. Eventide was taking suggestions for features on its forum site. I don't know what to tell you in the meantime if you don't want to use your Digitech. The Digitech IPS 33B or DHP 33 are other excellent units, but they may have more than you need also. You can usually find them used on ebay. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 21:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5C93BEB2; Wed, 7 May 2008 21:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=TJt4nO6umVpySPQBr1iaXh1zRh0n9xH6C6ysAkrVKoc=; b=kmmTrpo5b9OfufzQIpyVnw2L4ZP4i9N062nIUxy1j+9eo5h5TndZ8QELofp4uT7917fcpfU5R8NrIrbnoUpjGHzMP+wx4GWSjynTk+N+4R45HvWwylCK2hnUdCIbzadjJSExv3oyiPxI+j91NSyVjIb84p4GYr1QKU7H+VNUhdE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=cQkOsApp9Aw2yEcB8wvW5O4k3tYfI79AqL5tQ27m84mH93h6kkSICS/RsbfS5V6AcWmjFUTdVp5Pc5kZMYAQY9HWETIC1aj2kSzkhPAJdzAY222sYQZNBJL5LkaeUhDEtrmZARz8pqkaFwc1ZTlzBMV1SohYsiUkli0CAZdqezs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:04:16 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Windows beta of Crossfade Loop Synth (Effect) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: a59b22bcc1dd73fd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi, some of you may be interested to hear that there's now a Windows version of my Crossfade Loop Synth Effect http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/xfadelooper.html which no doubt you'll recall is the thing that lets you have reversed delays at double/half pitch while playing live into the loop, amongst other things. 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     ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C2A9A6.07F66C7E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 7 22:24:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA4B3BEC0; Wed, 7 May 2008 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48222C31.9080803@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 00:24:49 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musician jokes References: <290036.11984.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <290036.11984.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Paul Richards schrieb: > Shouldn't this be, at least, marked as OT ( off-topic)? Why? the jokes are looping for quite a while already... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 00:02:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3DF3BEB9; Thu, 8 May 2008 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZZWXylbnBORTdSwyfJbNertZw9sUOKdyt9t/wtbwSD8=; b=eVPCI5mHrsH0GCVTU7FfKcdQRwxITLX9vpx2QBPaENDFrtjSzMlQBCvTcrODKi2aZHSGnm71aDg9VNLtT8Kj9HfmnhMVSJsINm381xRg52OWDARoEcb1JJmZU0Ckg3jZhQ9ulR6OsjKYOpmpZ9dXmnvEPEMkYgjv29IB4RfNmCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bROD2AAy6yfUMA37d/wxaU7FTZyW19heWk1qcpI4XqXST4uD6U7Fan+MdBOg56ckNxNThTWIsUbl9nBkWMk9QRCsq0+8g3BrwVgJs2t5mjWN+3uB/8JtTbIc9eyYJoSEjMceAMAOnTj6PWSYqxAQHC6KR580vibBVpgdqcQNdCI= Message-ID: <4759e5740805071702k203ae75lcc4c54b3153ae4a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:02:47 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: aaronleese@flyloops.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Musician jokes In-Reply-To: <20080430162546.478BD3C097@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8163_5044293.1210204967726" References: <48170E16.8000506@soundscapes.us> <20080430162546.478BD3C097@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8163_5044293.1210204967726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline forgive me... banjos do not do ANY damage to accordions. Please reverse your conception. In my corner of the industry, it's accordion pitched onto a viola. same rules apply, but some of us would set fire to it first so the deal was sealed on BOTH instruments. smiles... todd On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Aaron Leese wrote: > > > > Whats the definition of perfect pitch? > Its when you throw your banjo into the dumpster and it lands on an > accordion. > > > How long does it take to tune a banjo .... > Nobody knows. > > .... since we'd gone this far, I figured banjos were now fair game. > > > : ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:01 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Musician jokes > > Jay Bell wrote: > > how do you know when it's a drummer at the door? > > .. the knocking keeps getting faster > How do you know when a soprano is at the door? > She doesn't know when to come in. > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: > 11/22/2007 > 6:55 PM > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: > 11/22/2007 > 6:55 PM > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_8163_5044293.1210204967726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline forgive me... 

    banjos do not do ANY damage to accordions.  

    Please reverse your conception.  

    In my corner of the industry, it's accordion pitched onto a viola.  same rules apply, but some of us would set fire to it first so the deal was sealed on BOTH instruments.

    smiles... 

    todd

    On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Aaron Leese <aaronleese@flyloops.com> wrote:



    Whats the definition of perfect pitch?
    Its when you throw your banjo into the dumpster and it lands on an
    accordion.


    How long does it take to tune a banjo ....
    Nobody knows.

    .... since we'd gone this far, I figured banjos were now fair game.


    : )


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
    Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:01 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Musician jokes

    Jay Bell wrote:
    > how do you know when it's a drummer at the door?
    > .. the knocking keeps getting faster
    How do you know when a soprano is at the door?
    She doesn't know when to come in.

    --
    Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
    Checked by AVG Free Edition.
    Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 11/22/2007
    6:55 PM


    --
    Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
    Checked by AVG Free Edition.
    Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1146 - Release Date: 11/22/2007
    6:55 PM






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    Just wondered if anyone else had taken part in the survey for Line 6 regard= ing a possible update to their Variax lines.
     
    I did and gleaned these possible ideas as things they may be thinking of  
    firstly it looks like a whole new guitar is being thought of (shame cos i w= ould love a new model pack for my 300)
    features inquired about include;
     
    More models of guitar bodies and pickups (seemed to be mainly 80's classics= )
    Incorporating Non guitar instruments
    Adding more ins and outs possibly GK midi
    Adding a tuner
    having a knob to set tunings
    better battery life including possible internal battey (which would put me = off as a traveller)
    re designed elements of physical guitar
     
     
    there also seemed to be a lot of worrying emphasis on Wireless in all its f= orms
    now dont get me wrong, its good in its place...but when if coste me either = more at retail or comes at the expense of other features and sucks battery = life...just gimme a frickin cable.
    wireless ideas included;
    wireless link to amp
    wireless link to pc for patch editing
    wireless for recording
     
    I really hope if anyone here has a variax and feels similar they will go an= d punt for the good ideas and try to get their fixations away from battery = chewing wireless.

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X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable THIS IS FOR YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE=2E We wish to notify you again that you were listed as a beneficiary to the total sum of=28Ten Million Six Hundred Thousand British Pounds=29 in the codicil and last testament of the deceased=2E =28Name now withheld since this is our second letter to you=29=2E We contacted you because you bear the surname identity and therefore can present you as the beneficiary to the inheritance=2E We therefore reckoned that you could receive these funds as you are qualified by your name identity=2E All the legal papers will be processed in your acceptance=2E In your acceptance of this deal=2C we request that you kindly forward to us your letter of acceptance=3B your current telephone and fax numbers and a forwarding address to enable us file necessary documents at our high court probate 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infnigforeignaffairsminister01@googlemail.com Thu May 8 14:31:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 24675 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 08 May 2008 14:31:44 UTC Received: from mout4.freenet.de (mout4.freenet.de [195.4.92.94]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DD63BE7C; Thu, 8 May 2008 14:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [195.4.92.15] (helo=5.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ju0jr-00014t-B6; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:40:27 +0200 Received: from [196.1.176.197] (port=62697 helo=User) by 5.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID jamica161@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #12) id 1Ju0jq-0007rc-55; Thu, 08 May 2008 09:40:27 +0200 Reply-To: From: "MADUEKWE OJO" Subject: 2007/ 2008 SCAM VICTIMS COMPENSATIONS PAYMENTS Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:40:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20080508143144.18DD63BE7C@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
    ECOBANK / UNITED NATIONS 2007/ 2008 SCAM VICTIMS COMPENSATIONS PAYMENTS DIRECTOR.
    ATTNENTION:,
    SCAMMED VICTIM/$500,000 BENEFICIARIES.
    REF/PAYMENTS CODE:06654.
    AMOUNT $500,000 USD.
     
    I WRITE TO BRING TO YOUR NOTICE THAT I AM THE NIGERIAN NEW FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER AND AN OFFICIAL DELEGATE FROM THE UNITED NATIONS TO CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA TO PAY 150 NIGERIAN 419 SCAM VICTIMS $500,000 USD (ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS) EACH. YOU ARE LISTED AND APPROVED FOR THIS PAYMENT AS ONE OF THE BENEFICIARIES TO BE PAID THIS AMOUNT AS COMPENSATION.
     
    AS A RESULT OF THIS LAUDABLE RECOMMENDATIONS,IT IS IMPERATIVE TO BRING TO YOUR NOTICE THAT DURING THE LAST U.N. MEETINGS HELD AT ABUJA, NIGERIA, IT WAS ALARMED SO MUCH BY THE REST OF THE WORLD IN THE MEETINGS ON THE LOSE OF FUNDS BY VARIOUS FOREIGNERS TO THE SCAMS ARTISTS OPERATING IN SYNDICATES ALL OVER THE WORLD TODAY. IN OTHER TO REDEEM THE GOOD IMAGE OF MY COUNTRY, THE NEW PRESIDENT HAS ORDERED THE PAYMENT OF $500,000 USD EACH TO THE AFFECTED VICTIMS IN PURSUANCE WITH THE U.N. RECOMMENDATIONS.
     
     
    DUE TO THE CORRUPT AND INEFFICIENT BANKING SYSTEMS IN NIGERIA, THE PAYMENTS ARE TO BE MADE BY THE LLOYDS TSB BANK PLC, LONDON AND ECOBANK PLC, NIGERIA AS THE CORRESPONDING BANKS UNDER THE FUNDING ASSISTANCE OF THE CENTRAL  BANK  OF  NIGERIA.
    ACCORDING TO THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS AT HAND, 114 BENEFICIARIES HAS BEEN PAID, 60% OF THE VICTIMS ARE FROM THE UNITED STATES,WHILE ABOUT 40% ARE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. WE STILL HAVE MORE THAN 30% LEFT TO BE PAID THE COMPENSATIONS OF $500,000 USD EACH.
     
    YOUR PARTICULARS WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE SYNDICATES WHO WAS ARRESTED IN LAGOS, NIGERIA AS ONE OF THEIR VICTIMS OF THE OPERATIONS, YOU ARE HEREBY WARNED NOT TO COMMUNICATE OR DUPLICATE THIS MESSAGE TO HIM FOR ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER AS THE THE ECONOMIC AND FINANCIAL CRIMES COMMISSION (EFCC) (MOTTO: NO BODY IS ABOVE THE LAW) HAVE COMBINED EFFORT WITH THE UNITED NATION ANTI-CRIME COMMISSION TO ALLEVIATE THE PLIGHT OF THESE VICTIMS AS
    WELL AS REDEEMING THE IMAGE OF MY DEAR COUNTRY.THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE IS ALREADY ON TRACE OF THE CRIMINALS. OTHER VICTIMS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED CAN SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION AS WELL FOR SCRUTINY AND POSSIBLE CONSIDERATION.
    MANY BANKS, UNIVERSAL FIRMS, COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN IN
    BANKRUPTCY TODAY DUE TO THE ACTIVITIES OF THESE HOODLUMS. HOWEVER, A THOROUGH
    INVESTIGATION HAVE REVEALED THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE DROPPED OVER 500,000 VICTIMS ACROSS THE WORLD, AFTER COLLECTING THEIR MONEY FALSELY, MANY AS A RESULT OF THIS HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE,WHILE OTHERS ARE NOW LIVING IN ABJECT POVERTY.
    AS REGARDS THESE ONGOING DEVELOPMENTAL STRIVE, WE HAVE OVER 600
    SUSPECTS AT HAND, 135 IN KIRIKIRI PRISONS.WHILE MANY ARE AWAITING TRIAL, WE ARE
    STILL IN SEARCH OF OTHERS,WHO THINK THEY ARE WISE, AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL ASSIST BY GIVING ANY VITAL INFORMATION THAT COULD LEAD TO THE APPREHENSION OF THESE HOODLUMS.
    YOU CAN RECEIVE YOUR COMPENSATIONS PAYMENTS VIA ANY OF THIS OPTIONS YOU CHOOSE, DRAFT/CHEQUE PAYMENTS OR A.T.M CARD. EVERY OTHER MODALITIES WILL BE MADE KNOWN TO YOU BY ALHAJI HAMMAN ATIKU OF ECOBANK PLC. AS SOON AS  YOU CONTACT THEM.PLEASE REMEMBER TO INCLUDE THE REF/PAYMENTS CODE:06654.
     
    SEND A COPY OF YOUR RESPONSE WITH YOUR FULL DETAILS TO:compensationpayments0004@googlemail.com
     
     
    YOURS FAITHFULLY,
    CHIEF OJO MADUEKWE.
    NIGERIA'S FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER.
     From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 8 15:22:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B4F93BE7C; Thu, 8 May 2008 15:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ndX4bVWBKsRb2ujIEvRldPAGw4E2q3TqlZ70djUkc3g/P6gQAy1XfVgndyQgofujihKUBv9LC2QXMHmWC6CMWIWYeMkRW8MqNvacXiqYwFqjSFaQ6uOBGK3ddvJNRKVD2lpuKvGXjhEQsXe9+6lg3N90JrIQ9B1VnIxJl0b4ekU=; X-YMail-OSG: 6uXvuu0VM1l3ymUquIwEl3Ac4NS4OJDMuurICS7YdMd5ABFnCHMBc3BKwgvEdBrFluJwcg_Im1O.8Jc8WaFnboojmonKyN4xcAKCdejDb1CBZOwwJSU1iz5k7VQ- Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT-compact harmonizer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1584088258-1210260154=:18411" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <167192.18411.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:22:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1584088258-1210260154=:18411 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i use a digitech rp150 (the new 99$ base model of digitech line, had mine over a yr..) and zoom g2 (also the base 99$ line) and i think the harmonizer options in them are good. they are smallish foot pedals (i never step on mine though-lots of hand tweeking). are they as good as a digitech tsr24?-hmmm, i don't know, doubt it. wasn't the tsr24 the flagship rack effect by digitech that was supposed to be the budget rival to eventide's h3000 thing from late 80's /early 90's?-so i'm not sure if a 100$ guitar based floor unit will rival or match the tsr24. but they help make weird sounds and you can program what you need in them. the downside is: they are multi-effects pedals, so you get amp models, mod effects, delay, & reverb in there too (which can be good or bad depending on your needs). doesn't boss make a pitchshifter pedal(PS-something?) that can do harmonizing as well? and doesn't behringer make a pitch shifting pedal as well? i thought i read some post that gave some positive comments to it for the price. i will say that i used to have the 1st gen. model of digitech ips33, it was a 1-U space rack unit, had some great sounds in it & boy i abused it a lot for sounds..., not sure if my pedals were better sounding than it, but they take up less space.... good luck in your search... s--- --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1584088258-1210260154=:18411 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i use a digitech rp150 (the new 99$ base model of digitech line, had mine over a yr..) and zoom g2 (also the base 99$ line) and i think the harmonizer options in them are good. they are smallish foot pedals (i never step on mine though-lots of hand tweeking).

    are they as good as a digitech tsr24?-hmmm, i don't know, doubt it. wasn't the tsr24 the flagship rack effect by digitech that was supposed to be the budget rival to eventide's h3000 thing from late 80's /early 90's?-so i'm not sure if a 100$ guitar based floor unit will rival or match the tsr24.
    but they help make weird sounds and you can program what you need in them.
    the downside is: they are multi-effects pedals, so you get amp models, mod effects, delay, & reverb in there too (which can be good or bad depending on your needs).
    doesn't boss make a pitchshifter pedal(PS-something?) that can do harmonizing as well?
    and doesn't behringer make a pitch shifting pedal as well? i thought i read some post that gave some positive comments to it for the price.

    i will say that i used to have the 1st gen. model of digitech ips33, it was a 1-U space rack unit, had some great sounds in it & boy i abused it a lot for sounds..., not sure if my pedals were better sounding than it, but they take up less space....
    good luck in your search...
    s---

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    --0-507113017-1210271692=:37731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 00:13:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385C03BE82; Fri, 9 May 2008 00:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 20:14:38 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #578 for May 1, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4823976E.6070207@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:13:55 +0000 (UTC) This is last week's playlist. Don't forget to listen to the show tonight! http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080501.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #578 May 1, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight was Mile High Chill 1 on Dark Duck Records. Stephen Philips: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Create Fading Lights Grow Space Time Continuum (Groove) Brighter Sensitive Chaos Leak Leak (none) Fringe Element Back From the Edge Organic Chemistry (none) Tony K. Duty Portrait of an Artist in Repose (none) Deep Chill Network Consistent Reality Dreams 4 (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Celestial Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) Interference 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Stephen Philips Continuance Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Dream State Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Global Rebound Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Red Rocks In Space Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Space Worms Mile High Chill 1 (Dark Duck) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight will be Desert Landscapes on Dark Duck Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 02:38:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E3193BE84; Fri, 9 May 2008 02:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1210300734; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Yl/fAxWyRD5pCAA2xu60FgoDbfM=; b=p7ENU+n/4/2FoBEj/RLeeC5uN/KFoD06Ej5CX1g00+pzZ5vYmRWGv59VM1bPaIIw bSC+GQWqUfQ+dFNJ+8G69INeqHMc2gU3DzngWnOVN9YK+vUr8oeoQrakZUNbMwdp; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=2Q4FT151i0sCoYDclvAA:9 a=tHDlKdNyA1rJfn9zu04A:7 a=9cxoXXr14R39NqmAYv5v2ewA1pMA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 a=apjQJGDpUrTWk73YjysA:9 a=asljyxnkUAqZmIEGEIYA:7 a=lpZADkfLIjZPqMzTk0YRyfoIiNAA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000d01c8b186$43c028e0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <516112.37731.qm@web56909.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: help Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:39:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C8B15C.5A5FE240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 02:38:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C8B15C.5A5FE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just go here and follow the yellow brick road....peace http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: flatrice@yahoo.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: help How do I unsubscribe to this group? 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    ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C8B15C.5A5FE240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 03:13:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A36693BE86; Fri, 9 May 2008 03:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: OT:Re: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:13:19 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c8b182$a49e9420$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C8B147.F83FBC20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: AcixgqFlASCeKxxxRGeBDE1TbOJFjA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 03:13:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C8B147.F83FBC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the kind words guys, I was hoping they had taken that off You tube! That was the last time I brought a big rack full of stuff to a gig, I was using both the Looperlative and the repeater at the time and the Cheesy Tablas were courtesy of a Roland Gr30 arpeggio I wrote. I have since stopped using the repeater and the guitar synth live as I was wanting to delve deeper in to the Looperlative, and simplify my rig. I think I might have still been using a Vox amp modeler as well.. The Lap steel is an original, first run Ben Harper model, made by Asher guitars in LA. It is a chambered body 6 string lap guitar with a very warm woody sound. It was probably in a minor tuning as I was playing in harmonic minor on the improv. I also may have been in a sus 2 tuning which I like because its more neutral and I can move in either a harmonic or natural minor direction as well as the major, Lydian and mixolydian modes and create great sounding full bar sus 2 chords any where on the neck.. In D the tuning is DADEAD but I also do the same R5R25R tuning in C and E as well. I can't say I've explored any of the more conventional western swing C6 and Dobro G major tunings, yet but every once in a while a new tuning comes across my radar that I will explore. I highly recommend taking up the lap steel. You can find cheap ones on line and put a better pick up in them if needed. I recently acquired a new gretsch Electromatic lap steel and put a nice TV Jones pick up in it. It sounds fantastic and is small and light weight. I think the Chinese made Gretsch and Korean made PRS guitars make great fixer uppers, not too expensive and for a couple of hundred extra bucks worth of quality pickups they can sound like guitars 3 and 4 times the price. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C8B147.F83FBC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

       Thanks for the kind words guys, I was = hoping they had taken that off You tube! That was the last time I brought a big = rack full of stuff to a gig, I was using both the Looperlative and the = repeater at the time and the Cheesy Tablas were courtesy of a Roland Gr30 arpeggio I = wrote. I have since stopped using the repeater and the guitar synth live as I = was wanting to delve deeper in to the Looperlative, and simplify my rig. I = think I might have still been using a Vox amp modeler as well.. The Lap steel is = an original,  first run Ben Harper model, made by Asher guitars in LA. = It is a chambered body 6 string lap guitar with a very warm woody sound. =  It was probably in  a minor tuning as I was playing in harmonic minor on = the improv. I also may have been in a sus 2 tuning which I like because its more = neutral  and I can move in either a harmonic or natural minor direction as well as = the major, Lydian and mixolydian modes  and create great sounding full = bar sus 2 chords any where on the neck.. In D the tuning is DADEAD but I also do = the same R5R25R tuning in C and E as well. I can’t say I’ve = explored any of the more conventional western swing C6 and Dobro G major tunings, =  yet but every once in a while a new tuning comes across my radar  that = I will explore.

     I highly recommend taking up the lap steel. You = can find cheap ones on line and put a better pick up in them if needed. I = recently acquired a new gretsch Electromatic lap steel and put a nice TV Jones = pick up in it. It sounds fantastic and is small and light weight.  I think = the Chinese made Gretsch and Korean made PRS guitars make great fixer uppers, not = too expensive and for a  couple of hundred extra bucks worth of quality pickups they can sound like guitars 3 and 4 times the = price.

    Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C8B147.F83FBC20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 11:14:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B76A3BE8F; Fri, 9 May 2008 11:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AoKBpxry6oYqg7c14Ytf1I57H1sCMzCuwXLWB2ctSA0do++1aOqmmedZE661dCiFssMPfmoMvTojXZZQYi9IWoUnRqr4F228AIbtKosylnsWkjPQH/n7XNgwhVrpd7Ze+oolyHo6RaIJSyOTxvj7LLTcGOZz6AKabKATIMtpWyw=; X-YMail-OSG: wHHJq3MVM1nryaKl1_dERqNiBswNsTf1VL1.l.hKNeelb1RVZQt4gL34nezINM4G7hJi6OxY0LQWeOfN5Yxy2dUeRbdhV4JWbI.EF6pxXc2.VYruzbrcf2gPjA8- Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT:Re: VIDEO - Walker Bros looping and the Gavilan College To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003801c8b182$a49e9420$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <816607.94119.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4Bfg2C.A.vl.dIDJIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanx for the tips man,i am really looking into lap steels and i am also going to install the new multibender system to emulate the pedalsteel. A couple of more questions bro: would you get a single coil or humbucker? why? Thee are many choices as you can see here: http://www.thomann.de/de/search_dir.html?sw=lapsteel&x=0&y=0 and some of them are dirt cheap which is really tempting like this one: http://www.thomann.de/de/harley_benton_slider_ii.htm If its an electric lapsteel, how dramatic is the quality of the wood? you really think if i slap some good pickups on it it would be just as good as the more expensive ones? Just curious man i remeber you using the EDP for a while, why did you switch to the looperlative? do you find it more intuitive?how is the sound quality compared to the EDP? thanx buddy! cheers Luis --- William Walker wrote: > Thanks for the kind words guys, I was hoping they > had taken that off You > tube! That was the last time I brought a big rack > full of stuff to a gig, I > was using both the Looperlative and the repeater at > the time and the Cheesy > Tablas were courtesy of a Roland Gr30 arpeggio I > wrote. I have since stopped > using the repeater and the guitar synth live as I > was wanting to delve > deeper in to the Looperlative, and simplify my rig. > I think I might have > still been using a Vox amp modeler as well.. The Lap > steel is an original, > first run Ben Harper model, made by Asher guitars in > LA. It is a chambered > body 6 string lap guitar with a very warm woody > sound. It was probably in > a minor tuning as I was playing in harmonic minor on > the improv. I also may > have been in a sus 2 tuning which I like because its > more neutral and I can > move in either a harmonic or natural minor direction > as well as the major, > Lydian and mixolydian modes and create great > sounding full bar sus 2 chords > any where on the neck.. In D the tuning is DADEAD > but I also do the same > R5R25R tuning in C and E as well. I can't say I've > explored any of the more > conventional western swing C6 and Dobro G major > tunings, yet but every once > in a while a new tuning comes across my radar that > I will explore. > > I highly recommend taking up the lap steel. You can > find cheap ones on line > and put a better pick up in them if needed. I > recently acquired a new > gretsch Electromatic lap steel and put a nice TV > Jones pick up in it. It > sounds fantastic and is small and light weight. I > think the Chinese made > Gretsch and Korean made PRS guitars make great fixer > uppers, not too > expensive and for a couple of hundred extra bucks > worth of quality pickups > they can sound like guitars 3 and 4 times the price. > > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 9 15:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910E23BE99; Fri, 9 May 2008 15:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1ktbobG07CnZvsi5rqiWuafF7wWbfjZR9yS9JDo2foQSY4efL70cAuQ9FgDpr9p+8D+g1fIqaXgn+xz7PsQSNmVkmXreZBvpG/NZq6hTTaQWOgAMktwnDeuyFWCh+YrPzcrHWS0AcS0QLJgAyV/oZ3C2YyvPBeJJbKhqS9dnwag=; X-YMail-OSG: K8LCEsoVM1nwqoIpMk1nT4TfVXA3FJIitu7ZmSgc0zpEKvFXa4.Bq48jiy3Zc6m4CzdP.3k6Kff7IcwbslQdtQOD2XBbW5wGc.xPst.1widFZOtExnJ0NRw0ifo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:42:26 +0000 (GMT) From: rune fagereng Reply-To: rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Subject: edirol - recording a rehearsal To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, midiguitar@yahoogroups.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <737195.50073.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I recorded a rehearsal with me (guitar - electronics) - a bassplayer and a = drummer. I saw the Edirol recorder clip when playing - but did get the time= to improve it. So the reording could be better. Listen if you got the time= . http://runefagereng.com/Endre%20-%20Remi%20og%20Rune%2001.05.08.MP3 best regards Rune Fagereng=0A=0A=0A __________________________________= _______________________=0AAlt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, = kalender og=0Anotisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 05:50:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F6AD3BE88; Sat, 10 May 2008 05:50:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011401c8b261$cbf23880$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: khartung@cableone.net Subject: 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CDs and DVDs Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:50:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C8B22F.7F788130"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 05:50:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C8B22F.7F788130 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0111_01C8B22F.7F788130" ------=_NextPart_001_0111_01C8B22F.7F788130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CD = Compilation. This CD, as well as the 1st Annual CD set compilation and the 2nd Annual = DVD set compilation, will be on sale at the Record Exchange on May 12 = here in Boise, Idaho, and will also be on sale at this year's festival, = at the main venue, Friday through Saturday. = www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ Buy online at http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZMRH9W 1. Rick Walker & Stefan Smulovitz 2. Craig Green 3. Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse 4. The Transhumans 5. Ted Killian 6. Gretchen Jude 7. Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Taylor 8. Patrick Benolkin 9. Breccia 10. Stefan Smulovitz 11. Robert Price & David Grollman 12. Amy Vecchione 13. Lumper-Splitter 14. Tom Baker & Jesse Canterbury Special thanks to: Aaron Davis - song excerpt selection, live recording & sound engineering Rick Walker - festival MC The Boise Weekly - promotion and advertisement Thee Art Of (Tarey P.) & Walter Cox - event and CD photography & video Corkscrew Photography - event and CD photography Visual Arts Collective - venue and PA system Good Boy Rufus - BEMF logo and graphics Boise Co-Op - promotion and advertisement 3 Shapes Aikido - sponsorship and support Copyright =A9 2008, by the Artists represented in this work Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_001_0111_01C8B22F.7F788130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Announcing the 2nd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival CD Compilation.
     
    This CD, as well as the 1st Annual CD = set=20 compilation and the 2nd Annual DVD set compilation, will be on sale at = the=20 Record Exchange on May 12 here in Boise, Idaho, and will also be on sale = at this=20 year's festival, at the main venue, Friday through Saturday. www.boisemusicians.com/BEM= F-3/
     
     
    Buy online at http://kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZMRH9W
     
    1. Rick Walker & Stefan = Smulovitz
    2. Craig=20 Green
    3. Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse
    4. The = Transhumans
    5.=20 Ted Killian
    6. Gretchen Jude
    7. Jeff Kaiser & Gregory = Taylor
    8.=20 Patrick Benolkin
    9. Breccia
    10. Stefan Smulovitz
    11. Robert = Price &=20 David Grollman
    12. Amy Vecchione
    13. Lumper-Splitter
    14. Tom = Baker=20 & Jesse Canterbury
     
    Special thanks = to:
     
    Aaron Davis - song excerpt selection, = live=20 recording & sound engineering
    Rick Walker - festival MC
    The = Boise=20 Weekly - promotion and advertisement
    Thee Art Of (Tarey P.) & = Walter Cox=20 - event and CD photography & video
    Corkscrew Photography - event = and CD=20 photography
    Visual Arts Collective - venue and PA system
    Good Boy = Rufus -=20 BEMF logo and graphics
    Boise Co-Op - promotion and advertisement
    3 = Shapes=20 Aikido - sponsorship and support
     
    Copyright =A9 2008, by the Artists = represented in=20 this work
     
    Krispen Hartung
    Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival
    Event Coordinator and Artistic Director
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
    info@krispenhartung.com
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Message-id: <482558DE.1040500@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:11:31 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 10 at 6:00 am EDT/GMT-4, les than two hours from now. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 10:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8C033BE86; Sat, 10 May 2008 10:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=oKG5eXbDLVK4c6NBPen5RQqU6UaaQOtYc2XbYWpNjeg=; b=gKqIgpynx3haFIhmMw+vt3HDJbruS/nPufJhvvB1abRHeRce4Y5EOFW2F4jXDUH9KHN1U2SsFT7RYjMa75Q1kXsN9vtlCDDQwTjsvKWNXkaU+n7c1WW6aJuk49/GOsvbmdcu5nptfOAfOKrO+8rhOseSnIieTZ2+EbsBufo7PDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EKNYspQxYTbhyEtirTXlRl1iuBlZWU5H1ptLkw0b+4oErrM1bnuDB6Eg22/xUC0uu04Eql/RzTPUiVFHcwC3lfUF4g5luXrSjhkNuM0U2KLeF1dt4XkHrlZKFGdQTpxouQI7LSuCKM+1uiDjg0dS7pGphNIL8515+FOM6CdIS6g= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70805100346l3a95d372gfab2748b1b071b12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:46:37 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re; digest layout format MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6441_12261188.1210416397320" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:46:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6441_12261188.1210416397320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've recently resubscribed to the loopers -delight digest - haven't been receiving it for about 2 years, i used to receive it in a format in which it was wonderfully easy to click from item to item and differentiate between them - now (i'm using latest firefox on a mac) everything is jumbled together and it's really hard to see where one item begins and another ends - anyone else have this problem and know a fix? thanks. ------=_Part_6441_12261188.1210416397320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've recently resubscribed to the loopers -delight digest -
    haven't been receiving it for about 2 years, i used to receive it in a format in which it was wonderfully easy to click from item to item and differentiate between them -
    now (i'm using latest firefox on a mac) everything is jumbled together and it's really hard to see where one item begins and another ends -
    anyone else have this problem and know a fix? thanks.

    ------=_Part_6441_12261188.1210416397320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 12:20:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935393BE7E; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=MRlS7YW5TClIKkR8SAciosPmK5F0YUmzuA5715CLCgw=; b=gXcRpJBUJ3sD4yABqGjp0kvCNrHPBhmp3tO/QLKWme3VeUZQyJ5xJE8l4xbvMgvDP+EX4GAnuW0qABst6EN3jrZ36/YLFwkrF1gMK1nzI4K2y9Xm8QScnzR9ZcTXAoXpyGpe0bcQhbm+yzHLLwi3cMTOQIyBOMVvmRVtskvDxvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ASNsByPlQ8uop0p4qC9LhOEh1gjWT9cGwI0FBdmmtJfw8DngE4MbO6U5eYbSVuzKz92QwSodEfrLb0r5LBfPqyY+UO+uLg9lylMfsoeM0I4IWj92+2SXHSD//rynWLoXAYbUGJOeEV/NGOpKPM+aE8iFLqwj51oBqXY/Dygu+aI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:20:17 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greater Boston (MA/USA) Gig Spam ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:20:19 +0000 (UTC) For those of you in the general area of Boston, MA, I'll be playing here for the first time: Monday, 12 May beginning at 8:00 PM - The Music Workshop / the Fraternal Order of the Eagles Lodge 15 Dana Ave Hyde Park, Massachusetts 02136 US Cost:$7/donation Not sure yet (still?) who else will be on the venue; I'll be bringing a new CD release (wrapping that up this weekend!) of some recent live looping, too. Hope some of you can make it! Best to all, ~~ Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 12:20:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46F473BE8B; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7OfK9Rj134ngNn99qWpjHSRBtLBQRTD1O/Zd6H+xo4s=; b=g0HF10EqgMj9yaHRmQXaz58hsUTONEV6vNvoVkBVaq0R0KZaDeItQHNUUTFo0w2vhCZqNlIrDJK63Vu16PgeHH4SVgngbjIwNbyAk+owLytAS/Si8W4kGpq7+ixvr/ScBZ5zCC1OXnWI6fQIud2RDwM9wQ1HKoetfqHFf3+e5rU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LPI688NHQQgz2RnP8ogr0vhNg5zcnyU3oZE5vZriyVVOUnKsxbpcWtciiWl965jduLuCNz0jlMcdFLxSIz9PfS8mFTi82AcH+W9CzLRCUYan73SErQf96bAQBYhrr3e9y7vpLGq1T3Z8/T6tG1/6CDhKdf7KCoeXQ3+A0ZvtIvw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:20:47 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: edirol - recording a rehearsal In-Reply-To: <737195.50073.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10098_31976662.1210422047150" References: <737195.50073.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:20:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10098_31976662.1210422047150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rune! very interesting... love the tones, specially your guitar and drums. keep the drummer above all. is that an acoustic bass or a fretless?. don't hesitate to send stuff like this. thanks for sharing. raul. 2008/5/9 rune fagereng : > Hi ! > > I recorded a rehearsal with me (guitar - electronics) - a bassplayer and = a > drummer. I saw the Edirol recorder clip when playing - but did get the ti= me > to improve it. So the reording could be better. Listen if you got the tim= e. > > > http://runefagereng.com/Endre%20-%20Remi%20og%20Rune%2001.05.08.MP3 > > > best regards Rune Fagereng > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_10098_31976662.1210422047150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rune!

    very interesting... love the tones, specially your guitar a= nd drums. keep the drummer above all. is that an acoustic bass or a fretles= s?.

    don't hesitate to send stuff like this.

    thanks for sh= aring.
    raul.


    2008/5/9 rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>:
    Hi !

    I recorded a rehearsal with me (guitar - electronics) - a bassplayer and a = drummer. I saw the Edirol recorder clip when playing - but did get the time= to improve it. So the reording could be better. Listen if you got the time= .


    http://runefagereng.com/Endre%20-%20Remi%20og%20Rune= %2001.05.08.MP3


    best regards Rune Fagereng


         ______________________________________________________= ___
    Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og
    notisblokk. http://n= o.mail.yahoo.com




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    TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_10098_31976662.1210422047150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 12:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4069D3BE8A; Sat, 10 May 2008 12:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5SfimZihK5Tj0lvsG4v4/jtAgbGuBffMPr8OLpQChwmF3FwSNOvmKMxhkMeQHc+Fd3msBIu1SYAY0Z7pkGGRwC63BULAhPIJCpZOUB7iwSNltwvkMKKMQlxyKv+os5bjEne4Y6LKCtlClxJOasjGNfNhZYjfR6CBLIm2LDLJE9Y=; X-YMail-OSG: hTyZvo4VM1k2C8puNl19DC1Xkl8brmCyv2W9DnKGcREhfqK63KX12EEHsiaaYY_jbfy5vBsgLfNW44cez4w7wHwt9NPJ0N47XxBXr_1_agY9zlz5Vpe9h.7DQd8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:43:51 +0000 (GMT) From: rune fagereng Reply-To: rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Subject: Re: edirol - recording a rehearsal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <540378.61192.qm@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi and thanks ! The bassplayer uses a standar electric bass. I love his playing. The "tune"= i recorded - were a theme of mine - and we had never played together befor= e - and the bassplayer had not heard my recordings of it. I was so amazed b= y his playing that I actually laughed several times during jamming on the t= une. The drummer is my brother.=20 best regards Rune F. =20 --- Den l=F8r 2008-05-10 skrev Raul Bonell : > Fra: Raul Bonell > Emne: Re: edirol - recording a rehearsal > Til: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > Dato: L=F8rdag 10. mai 2008 14.20 > Hi Rune! >=20 > very interesting... love the tones, specially your guitar > and drums. keep > the drummer above all. is that an acoustic bass or a > fretless?. >=20 > don't hesitate to send stuff like this. >=20 > thanks for sharing. > raul. >=20 >=20 > 2008/5/9 rune fagereng : >=20 > > Hi ! > > > > I recorded a rehearsal with me (guitar - electronics) > - a bassplayer and a > > drummer. I saw the Edirol recorder clip when playing - > but did get the time > > to improve it. So the reording could be better. Listen > if you got the time. > > > > > > > http://runefagereng.com/Endre%20-%20Remi%20og%20Rune%2001.05.08.MP3 > > > > > > best regards Rune Fagereng > > > > > > =20 > _________________________________________________________ > > Alt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, > kalender og > > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com=0A=0A=0A ____________________= _____________________________________=0AAlt i ett. F=E5 Yahoo! Mail med adr= essekartotek, kalender og=0Anotisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 20:45:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9D43BE88; Sat, 10 May 2008 20:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 10 May 2008 20:45:21 UTC X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on smtp2.surewest.net. X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=10.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=db3uMLpwWy0A:10 a=yKD_xLwAqXdLaiEmck8A:9 a=gMgdwxzymTRRPKdlSCYA:7 a=WQHb4DEnVLQwkyy0R16U5ug-nVkA:4 a=eb04DAIMe6YA:10 a=J0ZJkvznwJUA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=4W84yQIDYkUA:10 a=hhhwLdTAAAAA:8 a=a8JH988JaiZyP-fUQWkA:9 a=pN6-Bx32RoCONWmdtyUA:7 a=yuWnRoVyOCItxrnhw_xwy6TgDmYA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080510055051.0954F3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080510055051.0954F3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-216483959 Message-Id: From: Michael Carlson Music Subject: looper for sale on Harmony Central ads Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 13:38:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:45:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-216483959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi everyone, I saw this ad and thought one of you might be interested. Michael C. Rack Lexicon Jamman w/ Sellon Upgrade 32 secs. Asking Price: US$400 Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Hi all...i have up for sale a very nice, mint condition original Lexicon Jamman Rackmount (not the new pedal version) with the upgraded memory and extra footswitch function mod by bob Sellon (you can google this for more info)...it comes with the manual, two Digitech 3 button footswitches and a stereo cable for connecting the footswitches to the unit...it is in dead mint condition, and i hate to part with it, but i am downsizing and it has to go...it functions flawlessly and again has the upgraded memory to 32 seconds...I have never taken it out of it's rack case, and it has lived most of it's life in a smoke-free home studio...there are no dings/dents/scratches/ blemishes of any kind, and this will make some loop-fan very very happy...feel free to email me for pictures/with questions at hightechhippy@juno.com...asking 400.00 plus shipping to the lower 48. Coincidentally, if anyone is interested in trading, i will entertain trade offers...particularly interested in guitars or other effects, but will entertain any offers....thanks again.. Seller: Matt McDaniel, 770-605-3154 E-mail: hightechhippy (Profile) Location: Asheville, NC Distance: 2135 miles Post Date: 5/8/2008 --Apple-Mail-1-216483959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hi everyone,

    I saw this ad and thought one of you = might be interested. =A0

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    Asking Price: US$400
    Condition: = Mint
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    Description:
    Hi all...i have = up for sale a very nice, mint condition original Lexicon = Jamman=A0
    Rackmount (not the new pedal version) with = the upgraded memory and extra=A0
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    condition, and i hate to part = with it, but i am downsizing and it has to go...it=A0
    functions flawlessly and again has the upgraded memory to = 32 seconds...I=A0
    have never taken = it out of it's rack case, and it has lived most of it's life in = a=A0
    smoke-free home studio...there are no = dings/dents/scratches/ blemishes of=A0
    any kind, and this will make some loop-fan very very = happy...feel free to=A0
    email me for = pictures/with questions at hightechhippy@juno.com...asking= =A0
    400.00 plus shipping to the lower 48. = Coincidentally, if anyone is interested=A0
    in trading, i will entertain trade offers...particularly = interested in guitars or=A0
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    Seller: Matt McDaniel, 770-605-3154
    E-mail: = hightechhippy (Profile)
    Location: Asheville, NC
    Distance: = 2135 miles
    Post Date: 5/8/2008

    = --Apple-Mail-1-216483959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 21:05:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4F83BE8F; Sat, 10 May 2008 21:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on smtp2.surewest.net. X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7-deb X-Spam-CMAE-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M7Z8EcNbj3L0wKRNWxgA:9 a=KGoIVwJaD1wVTrmBipHinOrUXc4A:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080510055051.0954F3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080510055051.0954F3BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Carlson Music Subject: Digital Performer's POLAR looping Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 14:05:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 21:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Just another note as i try to jump into the looping world. I've decided to go software, primarily because i found something that I can use with my Mac in Digital Performer called POLAR. Has anyone used this? Any suggestions for me? I am hoping to run it on my G4 dual 500mh powerpc Mac. thanks, this group is the greatest. I've learned so much about different things and will be applying them to live performance soon i hope! Michael C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 22:16:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70FF3BE8B; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9JPEVIa9M0F3EviwVw0D+7/FphMqJwS/DvCHuD6lcmw=; b=JPi1GNMSpet/xhbJKNt0RioBVZh9Q6JBIbO95cFaI5Pz6bdtTAwAEQHn1ArtNTsgfbZAsVX64YxAhl7n5jcOE89bIP2pqGezw+niVXt0YAan+hFkD5p9A78a3PufjUiJIsgOSlQDNgA51g786ima2SL7H6MzxxairtUJRwXwHNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vVzZDuP9PzobR3ny4iCx55lcA1F5D5l8LFAbPJ2RiBs1AKLQV6CXU7Q87dFg9SwNN7FQluPmU4LEtxxd+9DqBCbwAbI+4L9g6/y0XVik0gd9iDN4anCbZEL7UJJLzjSvFt3wCM+VP1flECbQKzUV4GHcmgOZB3amdoneXYQy1dQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:16:39 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping philosophy In-Reply-To: <113047.43085.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <113047.43085.qm@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Well... The anthropologist is me hehe...well, honours degree level anyway. I am doing a practical project on implementing live-looping in my percussion setup but since I have found myself in the ethnomusicology department I'm sort of building bridges. Trying to keep to the loopy concept of the project and still comment on society, technology, identity and the like. Since my my research is largely self-analysis,documenting the learning progress produces a strange dilemma. The participant-observer researcher who finds himself researching himself...as "I" am my main informant. one finds oneself in a feedback of reference since I am referencing my own ideas and thoughts on learning etc.. Very strange. So this is where branch off into perception of the self and consiousness manifested in the form of a feedback loop. Douglas Hofstadter has new book entitled "I am a strange loop" and he goes into this quite deeply.His best seller, Godel, escher, bach has ben captivating me. Really indepth look at feedback loops in every sense. As an anthropologist "Identity" is such a large discourse and I just think its fascinated to explore identity in relation to a feedback loop. how much of this I will do i this essay is still up in the air, but I did find a great book called y Cultural Software J. M. Balkin Yale University Press 1998 Online version at website at http://www.balkin.com He goes into theories of culture using the metaphor of software. Us being endowed with "toolmaking tools" and this being a basis for his theories of conflict and other anthropology type discouses mainly related to Ideology and everything surrounding the conceptions of that.Got some great stuff with regards to self reference in there. . "Feedback Processes: An Investigation Into Non-linear Electronic Music." Master's thesis, Middlesex University. URL http://knut.klingt.org/docs/Knut%20Aufermann%20MA%20Sonic%20Arts.pdf. pdf. Another paper I found has got some good feedback loop philosophy. What if consiousness manifested itself as a feedback loop? exciting metaphorical realm for a poet or commentator but also for the hardcore cognitive scientist. One friend of mine described it rather well when he said "so your trying to write a very technical thesis but you have fallen in love with metaphor" Feedback, delay, Live, Looping are great root words to go on a metaphorical tangent with. In steve reichs 'three tales' he says that our "fall from grace" or "exit from eden" was because he was to hasty in eating the apple. But there were three options he could have chosen. Either the grape, fig or wheat, the text didnt specify the apple. The grape representing altered consiousness, the fig representing sexual relations and wheat representing that seed and root of all technology. If he had not been so hasty the text says that he would have broken bread and drunk the wine and had his marital relations at the designated time for doing so but because he way so hasty....etc. If he had used a tad bit of delay :) It is interesting that wheat is representative of technology because since the industrial revolution most wheat has been so tampered with that it is now close to being simply classified a poison hat assaults our endocrine system. And our body is a sacred site of positve and negative feedback loops. highly processed wheat causes the endocrine system to be out of balance. and balancing the feedback loops is the art of the healer in many respects. rambling a bit....but its still in the making. but it does relate to that question of whether technological advancement is for the betterment of art or not. Big, big discourse that with purists of different sorts. We have many anti amplication types around but it is a valid question to dissect. Is technological advancement for the betterment of music or is it leading it down the road to becoming simply "product". In this respect live loopers really are untiing traditional performance aesthetics with the height of technological advancement for the betterment of music! hence the excitement in my making these metaphorical connections. Just add delay man, some really fancy expensive delay. I'd be very interested in what you do find in your procrastination time. Feedback is so integral to the creation of this particular text. Byron On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, stevenguerrero wrote: > Who is this anthropologist you speak of? I happen to > have a BA in anthro...intersted in reading this I am. > I'm currently not pursuing anthro further, so... no > need to fear for stolen ideas. > > I'm off to google things about it now. Thanks for > giving me something to avoid work with! > > > > --- Byron Howell wrote: > > > ...Been exploring the > > > concepts of > > self-reference and the feedback loop nature of the > > world as related to an > > anthropologist investigating technology as a > > phenomenon in music/society > > etc...thin thread connecting it to live-looping but > > such is academia. > > Anyway..looking forward to reading your work. > > > > Byrono > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 10 22:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10FD3BE86; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: They stole our idea! Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:48:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:48:40 +0000 (UTC) This list should form a company to conceive, build and market our own extreme cutting edge gear. We were talking about this very concept last year. http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 00:20:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0084F3BE8B; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1054 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:20:17 UTC Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:49:43 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey, here's a better idea: Why don't we just talk about whatever we like in and around our chosen topics, and keep it so cool that innovative companies read our list for inspiration when they design new products! All we have to do is dream... No building, no forming companies, no management, no marketing, no capital; sweet! On May 10, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > This list should form a company to conceive, build and market our > own extreme cutting edge gear. We were talking about this very > concept last year. > > > http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 00:30:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD643BE8A; Sun, 11 May 2008 00:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BocQC2H/CFSTFJ9X4KDQlayQl+r1Rk0PFyrTL98Hinr+bkY6ix7QkwPngmvp4mFr5xxg3mLWdB/7JQcLpHic1+LHOaOeonIZLMGbZv9WuOI6jG2Gz92UZK1uucrPdp2db7lxWUuKuqQ8wWSNK5HBQ5EICNAYSlYLJQ2QC0jSkYg=; X-YMail-OSG: wiTGg4EVM1mAb1zEyYZC.VIF.b.xed.DgRW65f9GRSmYKWDM_QSLknecioPL8BbOXOQ0.Z1zsZhu.yjsVacxGHCo8aGfxuF3Lbb8s5KK6rX9qyhIecW_YAIV2g-- Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: digest layout format To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080510204523.4951F3BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <139007.82043.qm@web52806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:30:22 +0000 (UTC) Buy a PC you hoser! No seriously, whenever I have problems with a browser doing something other than what I'd like, I just switch browsers for that site. Even though Netscape and Firefox are similar, sometimes one will work where the other doesn't. And sometimes, I'm forced to use the dreaded IE. Stephen I've recently resubscribed to the loopers -delight digest - haven't been receiving it for about 2 years, i used to receive it in a format in which it was wonderfully easy to click from item to item and differentiate between them - now (i'm using latest firefox on a mac) everything is jumbled together and it's really hard to see where one item begins and another ends - anyone else have this problem and know a fix? thanks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 02:58:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 056403BE92; Sun, 11 May 2008 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025501c8b312$e749dd20$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CDs and DVDs Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:47:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_024C_01C8B2C5.EEEB7950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <6JG_4.A.U0B.dDmJIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 02:58:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_024C_01C8B2C5.EEEB7950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Announcing the 2nd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival CD = Compilation. This CD, as well as the 1st Annual CD set compilation and the 2nd Annual = DVD set compilation, will be on sale at the Record Exchange on May 12 = here in Boise, Idaho, and will also be on sale at this year's festival, = at the main venue, Friday through Saturday. = www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ Buy online at http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00ZMRH9W 1. Rick Walker & Stefan Smulovitz 2. Craig Green 3. Krispen Hartung & Vincent Miresse 4. The Transhumans 5. Ted Killian 6. Gretchen Jude 7. Jeff Kaiser & Gregory Taylor 8. Patrick Benolkin 9. Breccia 10. Stefan Smulovitz 11. Robert Price & David Grollman 12. Amy Vecchione 13. Lumper-Splitter 14. Tom Baker & Jesse Canterbury Special thanks to: Aaron Davis - song excerpt selection, live recording & sound engineering Rick Walker - festival MC The Boise Weekly - promotion and advertisement Thee Art Of (Tarey P.) & Walter Cox - event and CD photography & video Corkscrew Photography - event and CD photography Visual Arts Collective - venue and PA system Good Boy Rufus - BEMF logo and graphics Boise Co-Op - promotion and advertisement 3 Shapes Aikido - sponsorship and support Copyright =A9 2008, by the Artists represented in this work Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_024C_01C8B2C5.EEEB7950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    8.=20 Patrick Benolkin
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    Rick Walker - festival MC
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    Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival
    Event Coordinator and Artistic Director
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
    info@krispenhartung.com
    1-= 208-724-5603
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 12:15:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FE273BE8A; Sun, 11 May 2008 12:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4826E375.70600@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:15:49 +0200 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: They stole our idea! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:15:47 +0000 (UTC) David Coffin wrote: > Hey, here's a better idea: Why don't we just talk about whatever we > like in and around our chosen topics, and keep it so cool that > innovative companies read our list for inspiration when they design new > products! All we have to do is dream... No building, no forming > companies, no management, no marketing, no capital; sweet! Either they stole some ideas, or, as I've seen numerous times with my own ideas, in mysterious ways, others just conceives the same ideas ;) BTW, however it happened, those VST thingies looks pretty interesting.. Anyways, dreaming up stuff, write about it as detailed as possible, so companies can *really* use it, and just wait for it to hit the streets actually isn't a bad idea. Else, the only way out is to keep quiet, make the design work, and patent it. Then comes the hard work: Going from a functional design to manufactural quality - and setup the manufaturing plant, distribute and support the product. Some kinda task, I assure you. > On May 10, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> This list should form a company to conceive, build and market our own >> extreme cutting edge gear. We were talking about this very concept >> last year. >> >> >> http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73 -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 12:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D15B43BE88; Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4826E375.70600@post.cybercity.dk> References: <4826E375.70600@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:28:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC) The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool. On May 11, 2008, at 8:15 AM, van Sinn wrote: > David Coffin wrote: >> Hey, here's a better idea: Why don't we just talk about whatever >> we like in and around our chosen topics, and keep it so cool >> that innovative companies read our list for inspiration when they >> design new products! All we have to do is dream... No building, >> no forming companies, no management, no marketing, no capital; >> sweet! > > Either they stole some ideas, or, as I've seen numerous times with > my own ideas, in mysterious ways, others just conceives the same > ideas ;) > BTW, however it happened, those VST thingies looks pretty > interesting.. > > Anyways, dreaming up stuff, write about it as detailed as possible, > so companies can *really* use it, and just wait for it to hit the > streets actually isn't a bad idea. > > Else, the only way out is to keep quiet, make the design work, and > patent it. Then comes the hard work: Going from a functional > design to manufactural quality - and setup the manufaturing plant, > distribute and support the product. Some kinda task, I assure you. > > >> On May 10, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: >>> This list should form a company to conceive, build and market >>> our own extreme cutting edge gear. We were talking about this >>> very concept last year. >>> >>> >>> http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php? >>> option=com_content&task=view&id=73 > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 14:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2283BE7F; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaU+yfLkxQUsTkKnj Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:35:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Thread-Index: AcizYozFuTMiuwpYScCbSrrOvxO+OQAETC1g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC) > The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I=20 > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss=20 > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool. Particularily interesting is a retail price of below =E2=82=AC400 (which = might even drop some once it actually hits the market). That means IF = Mobius does work on it properly, you can have an embedded version of = Mobius which is cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative and costs about the = same as a RC-50... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 14:54:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169E83BE88; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:55:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #579 for May 8, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <482708CF.30401@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: <4CUi2.A.Ko.yiwJIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:54:42 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080508.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #579 May 8, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight was Desert Landscapes on Dark Duck Records. Stephen Philips: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Marvin Ayres Elegiac Collage Eccentric Deliquescense (Mandalic) Divine Sound Invitation Order of Love (none) Craig Padilla and Live Illusions Analog Destination (Groove) Skip Murphy Ron Boots Hour of the Wolf See Beyond Time, Look Beyond Words (Groove) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Stephen Philips Dry River Desert Landscapes (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Saguaro Desert Landscapes (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Sonoran Lights Desert Landscapes (Dark Duck) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight will be Cycles 4 on Dark Duck Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 15:46:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796033BE85; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qEovgLvB1AN0b2e6KkLfdDG9bciFqGpg3JhDdGkMsII=; b=XqobhS0eAzWjkMxECaoJfrN1jgLmyk9mg6Uku52tm1jJsj0ceKZtqvyvqo/aVA48YnK9ombvnDop8ohxuv5AMQHByNa2+rPSlh16wLeaMxoG5U/ryNVjcC5fwgXQU4PtvjibtoYhMcjOUYmmmzhtd67EnsMVY2EZIPfGuIKR17I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=opZ1Rtyft7bBPtoHKyyCRzfPJRVIsJ7RS3ZVDXph7Y/ITPdh7ZDQku6RZc78jBTFpHUNR4cQ05Kf8m5pzzU9tHA/A3S1RORMs8fYCEoQA3ecuW9m8SslwlLgQNiMUxENUIbcriRX/y97rlED0Wzx+lN47Jgdv2cc8FW/K7XHdMw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:46:48 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: They stole our idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_542_25817980.1210520809058" References: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:46:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_542_25817980.1210520809058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The greatly diminished UI options between a PC-based VST host and one of these standalone boxes still seem significant for looping purposes. It sounds like they include and app to let you configure your favorite plug-in= s on the your computer and then wrap them up for transfer to their box, but I don't see how a complex plug could be fully supported on a tiny screen with no mouse/keyboard input. TH On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I > > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss > > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool. > > Particularily interesting is a retail price of below =80400 (which might > even drop some once it actually hits the market). That means IF Mobius do= es > work on it properly, you can have an embedded version of Mobius which is > cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative and costs about the same as a RC-50..= . > > ------=_Part_542_25817980.1210520809058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The greatly diminished UI options between a PC-based VST host and one of th= ese standalone boxes still seem significant for looping purposes.  It = sounds like they include and app to let you configure your favorite plug-in= s on the your computer and then wrap them up for transfer to their box, but= I don't see how a complex plug could be fully supported on a tiny scre= en with no mouse/keyboard input.

    TH

    On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, R= ainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <= rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    > The unit with the pedal looks particularly inter= esting. I
    > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss
    > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool.

    Particularily interesting is a retail price of below =80400 (which mi= ght even drop some once it actually hits the market). That means IF Mobius = does work on it properly, you can have an embedded version of Mobius which = is cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative and costs about the same as a RC-50.= ..


    ------=_Part_542_25817980.1210520809058-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 15:54:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0001E3BE89; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-285807369 Message-Id: From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:54:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:54:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-285807369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed midi input with an external foot controller???? On May 11, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The greatly diminished UI options between a PC-based VST host and =20 > one of these standalone boxes still seem significant for looping =20 > purposes. It sounds like they include and app to let you configure =20= > your favorite plug-ins on the your computer and then wrap them up =20 > for transfer to their box, but I don't see how a complex plug could =20= > be fully supported on a tiny screen with no mouse/keyboard input. > > TH > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar =20 > Straschill wrote: > > The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I > > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss > > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool. > > Particularily interesting is a retail price of below =80400 (which =20 > might even drop some once it actually hits the market). That means =20 > IF Mobius does work on it properly, you can have an embedded =20 > version of Mobius which is cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative and =20 > costs about the same as a RC-50... --Apple-Mail-7-285807369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 midi input with an external foot controller????

    On May = 11, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

    The = greatly diminished UI options between a PC-based VST host and one of = these standalone boxes still seem significant for looping purposes.=A0 = It sounds like they include and app to let you configure your favorite = plug-ins on the your computer and then wrap them up for transfer to = their box, but I don't see how a complex plug could be fully supported = on a tiny screen with no mouse/keyboard input.

    TH

    On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Rainer Thelonius = Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    > The unit with the pedal looks particularly = interesting. I
    > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and = discuss
    > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really = cool.

    Particularily interesting is a retail price of = below =80400 (which might even drop some once it actually hits the = market). That means IF Mobius does work on it properly, you can have an = embedded version of Mobius which is cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative = and costs about the same as a = RC-50...

    =
    =

    = --Apple-Mail-7-285807369-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 15:56:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E22B3BE88; Sun, 11 May 2008 15:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bckZrzPm7kY/mwxHpe1FwLZhKMODJLsjje+a9xcF0sQ=; b=PlIr58RJRjvz1YVftma0VSOe26XKDQuZRTmB2myHlJuLIqtOX91YH/OwoAtQ1Pa/utKgIZG/clybXX8Hf84AGIydYqTdj8TVD+mIyzLEl/KdYrmWnT0J84iMLxqrw/qL5lqGOY1kQN3c6Apk48htHhrT81OVHQrBV/gHNN1PwyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wPceuVKilWUEcxTHCsNVdaVjx/VhTp+JHk+853YezFvqraXT7q3h/j5TK9PTMgVIg1cfG6SEnaemOMcQwoDIx9IeQVlELt413+E6L6sEnHrP3Fignfgq4OIqd7btFJrKdBPVSXYxOLvVfG55ymReaFXukkAt1vfefa3Y/ziXF2E= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:56:39 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: They stole our idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_571_9589985.1210521399628" References: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 15:56:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_571_9589985.1210521399628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You'd need something that lets you map MIDI info to the plugin parameters, and then you still have the problem of most plugins are designed with the assumption that you'll have a large, color display to work with, not the small (greyscale?) display I see in the mockups on their pages. TH On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > midi input with an external foot controller???? > > > ------=_Part_571_9589985.1210521399628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You'd need something that lets you map MIDI info to the plugin parameters, and then you still have the problem of most plugins are designed with the assumption that you'll have a large, color display to work with, not the small (greyscale?) display I see in the mockups on their pages.

    TH

    On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Teddy Kumpel <teddybut@mac.com> wrote:
    midi input with an external foot controller????



    ------=_Part_571_9589985.1210521399628-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 16:01:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F5C3BE88; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaU+yfLkxQUsTkKnj Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:02:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acizf5o9Fs5GqmbkSyyYNCkzpn0oBgAAEX2A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:01:55 +0000 (UTC) >You'd need something that lets you map MIDI info to the plugin parameters, and then you still have the problem of most plugins are designed >with the assumption that you'll have a large, color display to work with, not the small (greyscale?) display I see in the mockups on their >pages. In this discussion, we weren't considering most plugins, but one specifically. And that plugin is one that models a physical device which (if I'm not mistaken) has a few LEDs and a 3-digit LED number display or something to that effect. I found that when I do my looping work using Mobius, there is only a minimum amount of information I require as an optical feedback from the plugin. Most of the time I don't even have the Mobius screen up. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 16:24:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CCFE3BE85; Sun, 11 May 2008 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:25:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 10, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48271DE2.7090101@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080510.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #129 May 10, 2008. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early isses came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Venja] A Better Way Sequences No. 2 VA [Sebastian Piper] Corn Circles Sequences No. 2 VA [Hiroshi Yano] ? Sequences No. 2 Gert Emmens Parts 1 and 2 The Nearest Faraway Place Volume 1 (Groove) VoLt Extinction HjVi (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== David Findlay The Dreamchamber Of This I Dream (Overt) David Findlay Slipping Away Of This I Dream (Overt) David Findlay The End of the Dance Of This I Dream (Overt) Lawrence Blatt I Remember When Fibonacci's Dream (none) Lawrence Blatt I'm Leaving Fibonacci's Dream (none) David Davidson Fantasy and Dance Celtic Fantasy (Green Hill) David Davidson Fields of the Heart Celtic Fantasy (Green Hill) Benedetti & Svoboda Moresca Flamenco Dreams (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kino Losers Day Parade Picture (InsideOut) Signs of One Reverie Innerlands (Unicorn) Signs of One Innerlight Innerlands (Unicorn) Signs of One Frantic Memories Innerlands (Unicorn) Signs of One Confusion Innerlands (Unicorn) Signs of One Wise Man Innerlands (Unicorn) Riverside Beyond the Eyelids Rapid Eye Movement (InsideOut) Siena Root Waiting for the Sun Far From the Sun(Transubstans) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. 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Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 17:06:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E5A3BE7C; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2264 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:06:31 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> References: <4826E375.70600@post.cybercity.dk> <2DC51FFF-D16E-4387-B618-F0C4BE927260@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DFE4E91-43E7-496B-A459-07FC08225619@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:28:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) > The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I wonder if some Mobius > users could look at it and discuss wether or not Mobius would work with it. I'll certainly look at the design specs when they are published, but I'm not optimistic. Unless this is running a form of embedded Windows XP which is extremely unlikely, this will have the same issues as the Muse Receptor. Actually worse since the Receptor at least has a way to display a complex UI. I predict that this will run only the most basic VSTs, like the uncountable ones built on Synthedit that have really simple UIs and don't have any dependencies on the OS. For more complex VSTs like Mobius, this will be yet another port we have to do (if it is possible at all) and that isn't going to happen until developers believe there are enough of these out there to make it worthwhile. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 17:54:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A5C3BE7F; Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bgYgoJ+LbzdM9LGu8fLEol7pvAa4KyJvI3tbu6ubfcA=; b=on48p1MIdb9xBYnDy7G4qwI0+0MDt38ouzBvR4CZvkbbVpXhyO9xUqkJBtvZ/1grqyxujwG9nS5pnsdpIY3qdou5BqiDE9rFfvV4mAbsTu8mO9KX6D0U3zV35rjUZgcg35HE4ccZpK3Fjh2nbPk2jk/xk+p37umQ11csAbXutKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IeE6sgp9+kjq+fQSPYz0v5fJUdasmsMD/YclAjuN7d4Qhf1H4loAmeY3BGMNakF9uk/+O1vKieMTta16xkivExZmeim+kobirZVdDIFn6tqPO4CqIiFaLHqCGq88FI2kpPnjnUgYSLm2o1GoiSO1PHbVOVZnZ31xkdlJC44els0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:54:37 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: They stole our idea! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_766_8969521.1210528477100" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:54:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_766_8969521.1210528477100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've never used Mobius, and I can't find any screenshots on their site, but even if all it did was mirror the EDP LED readout, that's actually a six digit display, which changes depending on what action has been selected. And importantly (I suspect, based on what I'm seeing on V-Machines page), it's not just a few largely-static parameters (mix, level, rate, depth, overdrive, etc.) a la most simple effects pedals. And I suspect that there's no provision to handle more sophisticated UI displays. But sure, if you never need to look at the screen, then you're fine. Assuming the thing runs Mobius, which it probably won't. TH On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > > In this discussion, we weren't considering most plugins, but one > specifically. And that plugin is one that models a physical device which > (if > I'm not mistaken) has a few LEDs and a 3-digit LED number display or > something to that effect. > > I found that when I do my looping work using Mobius, there is only a > minimum > amount of information I require as an optical feedback from the plugin. > Most > of the time I don't even have the Mobius screen up. > > ------=_Part_766_8969521.1210528477100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've never used Mobius, and I can't find any screenshots on their site, but even if all it did was mirror the EDP LED readout, that's actually a six digit display, which changes depending on what action has been selected.  And importantly (I suspect, based on what I'm seeing on V-Machines page),  it's not just a few largely-static parameters (mix,  level,  rate, depth, overdrive, etc.) a la most simple effects pedals.  And I suspect that there's no provision to handle more sophisticated UI displays.

    But sure, if you never need to look at the screen, then you're fine.  Assuming the thing runs Mobius, which it probably won't.

    TH

    On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:


    In this discussion, we weren't considering most plugins, but one
    specifically. And that plugin is one that models a physical device which (if
    I'm not mistaken) has a few LEDs and a 3-digit LED number display or
    something to that effect.

    I found that when I do my looping work using Mobius, there is only a minimum
    amount of information I require as an optical feedback from the plugin. Most
    of the time I don't even have the Mobius screen up.


    ------=_Part_766_8969521.1210528477100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 19:07:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4D73BE7C; Sun, 11 May 2008 19:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=SB9/6+I0bxz7DNs1vXgt6Ik1WV71QCVm7yXaMukzTgg=; b=nfgPmJixA8A0PFw3PpyhdZFL+fhOmH/5kfobm1w8+8M5eeMsV/TwzvGPSxvap3qnIxK5NvgWO0S/XYxsjyhuziZzu4ohOwY81vJQgFVVn/1ZKW/u/3yP33EgwLU9936Y8eAW7YLvtlVnnGHIYNcYhT4X0UPHXq+lzuwpKnT5ve0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Q6raut4kDcq8l+NUm0A742fJqqtje5SHotnKF41xAEbykr33QfdJNt7Boqq2ACXumHgpll22Qv0ockxHFVMayvp1liepp2Zx29d60uPHjhCaWbQA+8t8MUmye6am98CbdtW0cWaHpU2keVVAZnKSUixcI0Cb2lx7DpIVMRzs4KI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:07:25 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP sync=out tempo issue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10477_26021845.1210532845440" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:07:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10477_26021845.1210532845440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Trying to figure out why: Using assigned pedal (on PMC-10) for Feedback to establish tempo in the Reset condition, using the Undo (assigned to footswitch). Second press of Undo then starts sync, and synced drum machine plays When I use footpedal, it always goes back to 120 bpm after pressing Undo the second time. If I use the Feedback dial on the EDP the tempo is freely assignable. Any idea how to solve this? thanks Neil ------=_Part_10477_26021845.1210532845440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Trying to figure out why:

     
    Using assigned pedal (on PMC-10) for Feedback to establish tempo in the Reset condition, using the Undo (assigned to footswitch). Second press of Undo then starts sync, and synced drum machine plays

     
    When I use footpedal, it always goes back to 120 bpm after pressing Undo the second time. If I use the Feedback dial on the EDP the tempo is freely assignable.

     
    Any idea how to solve this?

     
    thanks

     
    Neil

     

     

     
    ------=_Part_10477_26021845.1210532845440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 11 20:22:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC71E3BE84; Sun, 11 May 2008 20:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c8b3a4$ac9ce130$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 22:22:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ETzcnHseFYn2/OMMr/o0Iesj7SN9/2HLVb+3 xIexPlBV6n8k7iT9cv+1bTac7kuiEUdejzgp6Th4afvafaICB3 dtlusyJMKikzoMgTf/ojkLD/nmelibe Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:22:01 +0000 (UTC) the v-pedal may cost 1299.- € says this little vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9WheK71yFc&feature=related that's a lot of bread... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: AW: They stole our idea! > The unit with the pedal looks particularly interesting. I > wonder if some Mobius users could look at it and discuss > wether or not Mobius would work with it. It looks really cool. Particularily interesting is a retail price of below €400 (which might even drop some once it actually hits the market). That means IF Mobius does work on it properly, you can have an embedded version of Mobius which is cheaper than an EDP or Looperlative and costs about the same as a RC-50... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 09:02:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EEDD3BE7F; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 12 May 2008 09:02:02 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xgsEk5qobpbZqPEdKTrmSk00NB0/tzA30Uy/kwgCfqmnNuXR2N7H2BYounTxITmwgqypFhcePGsHd9f/NKHaJvIAbi29PCp57YFk1FJ0PNYATw5HjoKfLUPDzFKXm+q4/Hk1OIQe/pdvvy2PBvSMThlshydQ3v8PLHIXGKY0f1g=; X-YMail-OSG: qrUCJrMVM1mY561nhLenFAPK3rVuvGVD6G9D8q3MUFn0hvZfAQrRj9a2GA2NcI83bVDyKH3qvzylPHsH_aBP2F8A0pXSPf__vAmcgqwXeZ1clJih04i9LUZigA-- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavaspin Subject: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythm section or vice versa To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Dear esteemed loopers: What's the best way to stay synched with my rhythm section when using the Echoplex? I've scanned the archives (and the manual) and can't seem to find what I'm looking for regarding synching, although I'm sure it's there -- just in a form I can decipher. I just got a new Echoplex (yes the Musician's Friend sale), I had a Digitech Jamman before. We were trying the Jamman in live situations and it had its limits (for example, the rhythm section had a hard time hearing the first loop, even if I added only one overdub), so I have upgraded. I'm a guitar player more than a techie, so please help me understand the best -- and simplest -- way to stay synched. I will usually lay down only one loop so that I can play lead over a rhythm part -- so a fairly simple and clean way to use the Echoplex. Here are the three general options I see for assuring we, the band, stay synched. Which of the following three would you suggest is best for the Echoplex in the live setting? 1. First idea: Have some kind of machine (what kind is best/simplest?) acting as a metronome. The machine sends a click to the drummer and the bass player, who maybe use in the ear monitors. The machine also sends a click to the Echoplex and keeps it in time with the machine. If this is the option you suggest, which of synch options do I use on the Echoplex -- I got confused by all the variations. 2. Second idea: Basically the reverse of the above. I lay down a loop and it sends an eighth note click to in the ear monitors, so they rhythm section stays in time with the loop. 3. Third idea: Somehow split the first loop from the overdubs, so that I can have a monitor (standard or in the ear, since no click involved) for the drummer and bass player that is playing only the first loop so they can clearly hear it. I realize this is really basic or has been covered before. I appreciate anyone who can help me out with this. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 10:09:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37AEC3BE89; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_AxOgL3z1HIA:10 a=jx3THw_z6JgA:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=YV49fIaTMLBcCI0ZKv8A:9 a=EFk3jxP1YrPd8-RYlugA:7 a=GHfszOGqu-tP-7Mifhobnk7dvmIA:4 a=4W84yQIDYkUA:10 Message-ID: <48281764.7090506@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:09:40 +0200 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythm section or vice versa References: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:09:45 +0000 (UTC) hi yes there is a tech solution and you'll get all you can need thru this list but for me it is another problem. some questions 1-is the Rhythm Section ready to play with loops? 2-is the RS willing to work their musicianship level up to the task. It can take time until it they can play to/with your loops 3-do they like the idea to play against/follow your loops? 4-what do you put in the loop? what type of musical texture are you looping ? 5- how is your monitoring setup? can you improve it with the gear you already have? in short, its not always vise to search for a tech/gear solution when there could be a musical, musicianship, simpler solution rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, experiment. There are a lot of bands that loop without complicated syncing schemes, so its possible. but you'll get tech answers from the list a plenty gooddluck Claude PS: you just got an echoplex this is a very deep instrument be patient and work the manual up down up and work your pedalmanship Lavaspin a crit : > Dear esteemed loopers: > > What's the best way to stay synched with my rhythm > section when using the Echoplex? > > I've scanned the archives (and the manual) and can't > seem to find what I'm looking for regarding synching, > although I'm sure it's there -- just in a form I can > decipher. I just got a new Echoplex (yes the > Musician's Friend sale), I had a Digitech Jamman > before. We were trying the Jamman in live situations > and it had its limits (for example, the rhythm section > had a hard time hearing the first loop, even if I > added only one overdub), so I have upgraded. I'm a > guitar player more than a techie, so please help me > understand the best -- and simplest -- way to stay > synched. I will usually lay down only one loop so that > I can play lead over a rhythm part -- so a fairly > simple and clean way to use the Echoplex. Here are the > three general options I see for assuring we, the band, > stay synched. Which of the following three would you > suggest is best for the Echoplex in the live setting? > > 1. First idea: Have some kind of machine (what kind is > best/simplest?) acting as a metronome. The machine > sends a click to the drummer and the bass player, who > maybe use in the ear monitors. The machine also sends > a click to the Echoplex and keeps it in time with the > machine. If this is the option you suggest, which of > synch options do I use on the Echoplex -- I got > confused by all the variations. > > 2. Second idea: Basically the reverse of the above. I > lay down a loop and it sends an eighth note click to > in the ear monitors, so they rhythm section stays in > time with the loop. > > 3. Third idea: Somehow split the first loop from the > overdubs, so that I can have a monitor (standard or in > the ear, since no click involved) for the drummer and > bass player that is playing only the first loop so > they can clearly hear it. > > I realize this is really basic or has been covered > before. I appreciate anyone who can help me out with this. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 10:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1E23BE98; Mon, 12 May 2008 10:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed2506e9-d7dc-4841-979f-2bc1ff49fafc_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.255.26] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythm section or vice versa Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:23:38 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2008 10:23:38.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E441DE0:01C8B41A] Resent-Message-ID: <-I3lPC.A.VsD.sqBKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:23:40 +0000 (UTC) --_ed2506e9-d7dc-4841-979f-2bc1ff49fafc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the Beat Synch jack gives out a pulse,,i dont know how long your ph= rases are if it is in the 1-8 second mark you will probably be good out of = the box as it where, if not i think you may need to adjust the 8/th paramet= er on the echopleax so it gives out more or less clicks to suit the lenght = of phrase you are playing. =20 anyways, this click is not musical or paticularly nice to listen to ...but = it might fill the problem you are having in a crude way. =20 the other option I can see is use any midi based signal generator such as a= drum machine or sequencer box to send out a simple constant beat for your = band to hear via monitor. for this i would connect the midi out of the edp = to the midi IN of the drum box ...then inside the edp set the sync to OUS a= nd the sync on drum machine to IN....OUS means that it will suspend sending= the start click until the first loop is closed. =20 you could of course get a metronome that syncs to midi and have it set to O= UT with the midi sync set to IN on the edp...then you would all have to hav= e access to the metronome click which creates more issuse and also means i= ts harder for you as the lead performer to break out of this without adjust= ments. =20 good luck =20 Phill > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:55:21 -0700> From: lavaspin@yahoo.com> Su= bject: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythm section= or vice versa> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Dear esteemed lo= opers:> > What's the best way to stay synched with my rhythm> section when = using the Echoplex?> > I've scanned the archives (and the manual) and can't= > seem to find what I'm looking for regarding synching,> although I'm sure = it's there -- just in a form I can> decipher. I just got a new Echoplex (ye= s the> Musician's Friend sale), I had a Digitech Jamman> before. We were tr= ying the Jamman in live situations> and it had its limits (for example, the= rhythm section> had a hard time hearing the first loop, even if I> added o= nly one overdub), so I have upgraded. I'm a> guitar player more than a tech= ie, so please help me> understand the best -- and simplest -- way to stay> = synched. I will usually lay down only one loop so that> I can play lead ove= r a rhythm part -- so a fairly> simple and clean way to use the Echoplex. H= ere are the> three general options I see for assuring we, the band,> stay s= ynched. Which of the following three would you> suggest is best for the Ech= oplex in the live setting?> > 1. First idea: Have some kind of machine (wha= t kind is> best/simplest?) acting as a metronome. The machine> sends a clic= k to the drummer and the bass player, who> maybe use in the ear monitors. T= he machine also sends> a click to the Echoplex and keeps it in time with th= e> machine. If this is the option you suggest, which of> synch options do I= use on the Echoplex -- I got> confused by all the variations. > > 2. Secon= d idea: Basically the reverse of the above. I> lay down a loop and it sends= an eighth note click to> in the ear monitors, so they rhythm section stays= in> time with the loop.> > 3. Third idea: Somehow split the first loop fro= m the> overdubs, so that I can have a monitor (standard or in> the ear, sin= ce no click involved) for the drummer and> bass player that is playing only= the first loop so> they can clearly hear it.> > I realize this is really b= asic or has been covered> before. I appreciate anyone who can help me out w= ith this.> > > ____________________________________________________________= ________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all = with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8= HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on = eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/= --_ed2506e9-d7dc-4841-979f-2bc1ff49fafc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the Beat Synch jack gives out a pulse,,i dont know how long your ph= rases are if it is in the 1-8 second mark you will probably be good out of = the box as it where, if not i think you may need to adjust the 8/th paramet= er on the echopleax so it gives out more or less clicks to suit the lenght = of phrase you are playing.
     
    anyways, this click is not musical or paticularly nice to listen to ...but = it might fill the problem you are having in a crude way.
     
    the other option I can see is use any midi based signal generator such as a= drum machine or sequencer box to send out a simple constant beat for your = band to hear via monitor. for this i would connect the midi out of the edp = to the midi IN of the drum box ...then inside the edp set the sync to OUS a= nd the sync on drum machine to IN....OUS means that it will suspend sending= the start click until the first loop is closed.
     
    you could of course get a metronome that syncs to midi and have it set= to OUT with the midi sync set to IN on the edp...then you would all have t= o have access to the metronome click which creates more issuse and also mea= ns  its harder for you as the lead performer to break out of this with= out adjustments.
     
    good luck
     
    Phill 

    > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:55:21 -0700
    > From:= lavaspin@yahoo.com
    > Subject: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to= synch with the rhythm section or vice versa
    > To: Loopers-Delight@lo= opers-delight.com
    >
    > Dear esteemed loopers:
    >
    > = What's the best way to stay synched with my rhythm
    > section when usi= ng the Echoplex?
    >
    > I've scanned the archives (and the manual= ) and can't
    > seem to find what I'm looking for regarding synching,> although I'm sure it's there -- just in a form I can
    > deciphe= r. I just got a new Echoplex (yes the
    > Musician's Friend sale), I ha= d a Digitech Jamman
    > before. We were trying the Jamman in live situa= tions
    > and it had its limits (for example, the rhythm section
    >= ; had a hard time hearing the first loop, even if I
    > added only one = overdub), so I have upgraded. I'm a
    > guitar player more than a techi= e, so please help me
    > understand the best -- and simplest -- way to = stay
    > synched. I will usually lay down only one loop so that
    >= I can play lead over a rhythm part -- so a fairly
    > simple and clean= way to use the Echoplex. Here are the
    > three general options I see = for assuring we, the band,
    > stay synched. Which of the following thr= ee would you
    > suggest is best for the Echoplex in the live setting?<= BR>>
    > 1. First idea: Have some kind of machine (what kind is
    = > best/simplest?) acting as a metronome. The machine
    > sends a cli= ck to the drummer and the bass player, who
    > maybe use in the ear mon= itors. The machine also sends
    > a click to the Echoplex and keeps it = in time with the
    > machine. If this is the option you suggest, which = of
    > synch options do I use on the Echoplex -- I got
    > confused= by all the variations.
    >
    > 2. Second idea: Basically the rev= erse of the above. I
    > lay down a loop and it sends an eighth note cl= ick to
    > in the ear monitors, so they rhythm section stays in
    >= time with the loop.
    >
    > 3. Third idea: Somehow split the firs= t loop from the
    > overdubs, so that I can have a monitor (standard or= in
    > the ear, since no click involved) for the drummer and
    > b= ass player that is playing only the first loop so
    > they can clearly = hear it.
    >
    > I realize this is really basic or has been covere= d
    > before. I appreciate anyone who can help me out with this.
    >= ;
    >
    > _______________________________________________________= _____________________________
    > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/= ;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B427.2FE63922-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 16:10:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75863BE8F; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 10263076/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.204.109 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.204.109 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEBAMkIKEhPSsxt/2dsb2JhbAAIqnGCRg Message-ID: <48286BF6.9020900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:10:30 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythm section or vice versa References: <731841.8365.qm@web53408.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) phillip wilson wrote: > I think the Beat Synch jack gives out a pulse,,i dont know how long your > phrases are if it is in the 1-8 second mark you will probably be good > out of the box as it where, if not i think you may need to adjust the > 8/th parameter on the echopleax so it gives out more or less clicks to > suit the lenght of phrase you are playing. > ...but BeatSync only clicks once per cycle. the workaround being to use beat sized cycles...but that's not so easy The EDP sends midi notes on each beat, the Midi Note is given by (Source# Parameter) - 4 which on a default setup EDP is Midi Note On 32 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 16:53:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C1C3BE98; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W8G8PXNm7cw9sJNCPObLShkyCoun+huZ5tydQF7tEYsKvIjz0kgZ32PisTAzZjs/mmEDrwOrrbXbN6f/JOZFSD/4uPYO1eu6MWqNdfEbQf/WldqI46eyS/eSZZP+BCeQk4fkqC1KzNBF9FHiYMAg/WkT+eYNQRTZ9HPs4NmmR9Q=; X-YMail-OSG: A5oOJPsVM1mK3xUHCVKNwHBvQgl6Fh60Vi2rGgMj3l3DICEQzwrMJ2n236lczFW.ZF6FgYCeA3FsFOQy4ORANOW0xBk0pVSdEggCHCKcWXTVgiE6daFxwibV1g0- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: STOLE IDEA-here's an idea (behringer Tweakalizer)/went to guitar center To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080510055050.EBDFA3BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-290715131-1210611182=:56590" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <597434.56590.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-290715131-1210611182=:56590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS... there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!! here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect you have: http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar players could use them??? guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out.... ha! s--- ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good. and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-290715131-1210611182=:56590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS...

    there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!!

    here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect you have:

     http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG

    could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar players could use them???

    guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out....
    ha!
    s---
    ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good.

    and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though.

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Try it now. --0-290715131-1210611182=:56590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 17:00:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FBE83BEA2; Mon, 12 May 2008 17:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F/g5yvYsyCLY6xnUfaRYnxk/HI+KkRPxel6WwWnVwBLv6g7GQRSC8VM6P/EXCLzBSIig/nojmmdnPbhGSxyWvQBPMCV1GbG8va9f3smKjkDOLx5lzSPgig/zZX7U4tssz/TwcCFdS78Vu6bfwRrC5udmc5+cWExNVUJm6Oqomjk=; X-YMail-OSG: ADjOUE0VM1kX7aakd1OCB4be3LlBSrvPFzW6B_DF3k3Qx2HjfV_3BifC0LB6W3Kx158o394O8764VVi5twJDk6QO.hkT8ROZmGNNlTABMr3BLIolqaSQdlKXLw-- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Lavaspin Subject: Subject: Re: Echoplex -- Wanted: The optimum way to synch with the rhythmsection or vice versa To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592166.61207.qm@web53404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Claude and Phill for the responses. The drummer I'm working with is very disciplined is used to working with clicks from the kinds of shows he used to play in. So, yes, even though a bit cumbersome, we could work with clicks. But Claude suggests that if our monitors are good (this band is a trio and will be playing only at moderate volumes, so we should be able to easily design a good on stage sound system), and the band is willing to work with me on the loops, we should be able to set up the stage where we can hear ourselves such that a tech fix isn't necessary. I was leaning towards a tech solution because we are writing songs that have odd time signatures. Most of the songs change time signatures several times. So, it is imperative that we all be able to hear the "one." We are all concerned that we'll get in a live situation where you always have the inherent problems of the venue and things start to fall apart. BUT, I will only be looping usually in one part of a song that will stay the same time signature. AND to keep the signal of the first loop clear and audible, I had planned on usually only laying down perhaps one overdub. In some cases all I'll be doing is recording a rhyhthm passage, then playing a lead over the top. (I understand this hardly taps the surface of the EDP, but for now simpler will be better for us, I think.) Tom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 17:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A523BEC3; Mon, 12 May 2008 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RMIRQDhwW5Gx+EGHFfRTGuk4Q2m628DDn4tvFAxV3DzN7o96npEQNGWPhqMLaGeEaaAqQbfc6NDn4wDST+34SHusgRHhB5/XhM4SHvtBY9PI7FPk+NCXs5/wzubld4w5LbzuodB+a6Ml44TSOE+iiMiBj8vXaAyPZJKUkkEyg/Q=; X-YMail-OSG: AYVCVzUVM1n0MRVR8P9wQh47feusrcpusR3ieb3WLQfUVecZGc2EH7H8_1scHDN0Zp_WSRpOWKIbgNg9M8z5l3nwYXY_r19RRZmXol.bF13pLPdtp696OIg3NkI- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: STOLE IDEA-here's an idea (behringer Tweakalizer)/went to guitar center To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <597434.56590.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-223306408-1210613474=:55737" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270383.55737.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-223306408-1210613474=:55737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That thing does look fun! And because it's Behringer and cheap, you can probably afford to buy two; and because it's Behringer and it'll break, you better buy two! ;-) Can you buy 1/4" -> stereo RCA cable to run your guitar through it? It'd be a pain in the arse to have keep tabs on them, but that should work, no? Unless there's input signal strength issues and then you're lugging around a pre-amp... Ted H. scott hansen wrote: well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS... there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!! here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect you have: http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar players could use them??? guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out.... ha! s--- ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good. and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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    That thing does look fun!
     
    And because it's Behringer and cheap, you can probably afford to buy two; and because it's Behringer and it'll break, you better buy two! ;-)
     
    Can you buy 1/4" -> stereo RCA cable to run your guitar through it?  It'd be a pain in the arse to have keep tabs on them, but that should work, no?  Unless there's input signal strength issues and then you're lugging around a pre-amp...
     
     
    Ted H.


    scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:
    well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS...

    there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!!

    here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect you have:

     http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG

    could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar players could use them???

    guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out....
    ha!
    s---
    ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good.

    and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though.
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    "Enemies are good for self-definition." Werner Herzog

    Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-223306408-1210613474=:55737-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 20:31:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC3C13BEA9; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: They stole our idea! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+DdZxRlf+oS5zPfDgr5kjfhKA/63vgB4HENhndX +IjLyNIymRDvNGrD0e8UwVfW7lDtbW56LU9A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: HJ8bfCYJTXsuQ9p/mmU5BRBCRzdyMkPr Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Really close to my dream: A guitar pedal with USB... I think there are a lot of people out there _dreaming_ things. Quite a few times, I've found ideas I had developed (even sketched on paper) in a shop after a few years. But that's the slight difference between _dreaming_ and actually DOING it. So, kudos to those who actually have the persistence to realize their dream gear... :) Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 12 21:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A6303BEA9; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> Subject: Re: They stole our idea! Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:18:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) > But that's the slight difference between _dreaming_ and actually DOING it. Often times the problem is cost. Large companies don't want to invest unless they can forsee large numbers of units sold. As for small builders such as myself, there needs to be a strong personal desire to have the product. To produce the first LP1 took a huge number of hours of my time and thousands of dollars. It is not something that I would have done if I didn't feel the need to have it for myself. If money is no object, then you create most anything that you want. However, usually the idea is that I want a pedal that does exactly this, and it can only cost me $100. Unfortunately, the only way that is going to happen is if 100,000 or more people all want the same thing and some large company is able to determine that the market really is that large. It is unfortunate that ultimately that creativity is connected to cost. I wish it weren't that way. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 01:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 911683BE8D; Tue, 13 May 2008 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9acWsjyhIJ7ppu3sD85ESwHl90BlFewM9p23SjrbWYU=; b=wAjXWtIYpkXc/ASYmm/9u78StzDF0SEgxFNBbx526Wtsznxe8nq577OEG+ecm8wwBJkzY8DMV955wXCMJsLEuKuCEbOttKLVQfIgto0eABE0UXbU4xvDPNXvNf4NzCAynUo03Co+Zul4Sl3mV6vVpzAPk92f3GSn8hP6mhiAcfQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HUVb/DVMXX/8YauNl8qwD4ojD7Ue6YnpPGWPqp7Ojy9PHC56GNke+IiR3nDGcLTI4J0Lm88t6AKbbnVur9KD2lEi01PHxS3/AFqwPA/fD/Nz3gGXNOzezI/nSUC+SdgZpQIYVpcHY370uPxrLtsBFVf3VK+VfOeVqAZ/BDoXB0E= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:08:07 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (behringer Tweakalizer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4896_6921871.1210640887358" Resent-Message-ID: <2F6HkD.A.paG.PoOKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 01:08:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4896_6921871.1210640887358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a tweakalizer that I've used with guitar looping, using a 1/4"->stereo RCA cable and I don't remember having issues with signal strength, although I actually didn't use it very long because it was enough for me just to keep the loops going as it was, without tweaking the sound with that. In fact, if you want to buy mine cheap, let me know, since I've been meaning to unload it due to not using it. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, ditch wrestler wrote: > That thing does look fun! > > And because it's Behringer and cheap, you can probably afford to buy two; > and because it's Behringer and it'll break, you better buy two! ;-) > > Can you buy 1/4" -> stereo RCA cable to run your guitar through it? It'd > be a pain in the arse to have keep tabs on them, but that should work, no? > Unless there's input signal strength issues and then you're lugging around a > pre-amp... > > > Ted H. > > > *scott hansen * wrote: > > well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT > ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS... > > there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see > someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!! > > here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect > you have: > > http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG > > could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar > players could use them??? > > guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out.... > ha! > s--- > ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of > gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the > spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing > on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good. > > and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of > gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though. > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > > > > "Enemies are good for self-definition." Werner Herzog > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------=_Part_4896_6921871.1210640887358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a tweakalizer that I've used with guitar looping, using a 1/4"->stereo RCA cable and I don't remember having issues with signal strength, although I actually didn't use it very long because it was enough for me just to keep the loops going as it was, without tweaking the sound with that. In fact, if you want to buy mine cheap, let me know, since I've been meaning to unload it due to not using it. 



    On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:31 PM, ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote:
    That thing does look fun!
     
    And because it's Behringer and cheap, you can probably afford to buy two; and because it's Behringer and it'll break, you better buy two! ;-)
     
    Can you buy 1/4" -> stereo RCA cable to run your guitar through it?  It'd be a pain in the arse to have keep tabs on them, but that should work, no?  Unless there's input signal strength issues and then you're lugging around a pre-amp...
     
     
    Ted H.


    scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:
    well, i think it was picasso who said good artists borrow ideas, GREAT ARTISTS STEAL IDEAS...

    there is a lot of discussion on this list, I think it's nice to see someone take those ideas and RUN w/ them!!

    here's an idea: hey BEHRINGER-i love the idea of that TWEAKALIZER effect you have:

     http://www.behringer.com/DFX69/?lang=ENG

    could you make it w/ 1/4" phono plugs for ins/outs (stereo) so guitar players could use them???

    guess we'll see how long it takes them to put it out....
    ha!
    s---
    ps-actually went to local guitar center this weekend, played w/ a bit of gear (amongst all the budding loud metal heads demoing loud amps, etc). the spider jam seems like an interesting amp. didn't do the jam/sampling thing on it, but the models i scrolled through at low volumes sounded good.

    and i looked at the boss rc-50, man it looks like a complicated piece of gear for mr. simpleton here. it does look cool though.
    Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.



    "Enemies are good for self-definition." Werner Herzog

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    ------=_Part_4896_6921871.1210640887358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 02:11:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923E53BE88; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:16 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:11:23 +0000 (UTC) There's been plenty of discussion (or at least mention) here regarding the Mackie SRM450 powered speakers. Has anyone had experience with the tiny SRM150? I need something portable, with two inputs, that can provide a bit of reinforcement for very small venues, coffeeshops and that kind of thing. I have no doubt the 150 works well as a monitor, but it's supposed to be able to handle some application as a main PA, which is what I'm interested in. A 5.25" speaker doesn't give a lot of hope, but it sure is nice and small. I want to be able to carry the thing around as part of my luggage. In this line of thinking, there's also the Roland CM-30. Far more likely to be sniffed at is something like the Peavey Messenger, which is a 100-watt suitcase PA. I'd consider something like that, but can't quite go for the size of a 350 or 450. I do own a Micro Cube but it only has a single controllable input and is only 5 watts. I could consider some tiny power amp (something like the discontinued Crate Powerblock, but for PA use) and a passive monitor; I always have a mixer with me. Ideas, personal experience? tangentially loopish, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 02:18:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B643BE8B; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Otm9guyDmaU81297/5o4dzYpcuQf/+WbLpuIHnXsrBg=; b=XDm6F9WTmQ25RJTa8F5eBA1YIJeiNPij45WOfHT1YDj6JR/DbWxheBvc9e9tbAvriirXIjoextqkeZ0VOlExSmzf2miwSalZB6FOHys6ARkrn+DRRbftus8M2LddJqp29yics0YGHL35TWJhh+gugXMPZzCyQ5rY5NKZfnc9RI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GMHxyoiMX3eNEle6v59T8+CjIK1vWlH9cPFBlevHX1vuAwcWYO+gANLRTilTwcuhN1pHVjwT8SHV3pPyCGz/3zSrR4TFa37Jz4HhX+RLnH3xX2BnrJYhA8WEbtH0pgtiEl/X8zJRafmzIJYnkiaNrgiTPfOwqlsfKNOjNFIztN0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:18:48 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA In-Reply-To: <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5342_9106144.1210645128123" References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:18:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5342_9106144.1210645128123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been using the SRM150 for monitoring for a few months now, and if all you want is truly a "bit of reinforcement for very small venues", then it'll do a great job...for a 5.25" speaker. Plus, it's very light and small. I used to gig a lot with one of those Trace Elliot Acoustic Cubes, which was 35W into a 6" speaker, and for the light reinforcement in small venues it worked fine, but I was only putting acoustic guitar and loops through it. TH On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > There's been plenty of discussion (or at least mention) here regarding the > Mackie SRM450 powered speakers. Has anyone had experience with the tiny > SRM150? I need something portable, with two inputs, that can provide a bit > of reinforcement for very small venues, coffeeshops and that kind of thing. > I have no doubt the 150 works well as a monitor, but it's supposed to be > able to handle some application as a main PA, which is what I'm interested > in. A 5.25" speaker doesn't give a lot of hope, but it sure is nice and > small. I want to be able to carry the thing around as part of my luggage. > > ------=_Part_5342_9106144.1210645128123 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been using the SRM150 for monitoring for a few months now, and if all you want is truly a "bit of reinforcement for very small venues", then it'll do a great job...for a 5.25" speaker.  Plus, it's very light and small.  I used to gig a lot with one of those Trace Elliot Acoustic Cubes, which was 35W into a 6" speaker, and for the light reinforcement in small venues it worked fine, but I was only putting acoustic guitar and loops through it. 

    TH

    On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
    There's been plenty of discussion (or at least mention) here regarding the Mackie SRM450 powered speakers. Has anyone had experience with the tiny SRM150? I need something portable, with two inputs, that can provide a bit of reinforcement for very small venues, coffeeshops and that kind of thing. I have no doubt the 150 works well as a monitor, but it's supposed to be able to handle some application as a main PA, which is what I'm interested in. A 5.25" speaker doesn't give a lot of hope, but it sure is nice and small. I want to be able to carry the thing around as part of my luggage.


    ------=_Part_5342_9106144.1210645128123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 02:20:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748B63BE84; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:20:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 02:20:11 +0000 (UTC) I have an SRM 150. I think it would be perfect for what you need. It sounds full and good. I like it a lot, although I haven't used it as a standalone PA, just a monitor mixer. Teddy On May 12, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > There's been plenty of discussion (or at least mention) here > regarding the Mackie SRM450 powered speakers. Has anyone had > experience with the tiny SRM150? I need something portable, with > two inputs, that can provide a bit of reinforcement for very small > venues, coffeeshops and that kind of thing. I have no doubt the 150 > works well as a monitor, but it's supposed to be able to handle > some application as a main PA, which is what I'm interested in. A > 5.25" speaker doesn't give a lot of hope, but it sure is nice and > small. I want to be able to carry the thing around as part of my > luggage. > > In this line of thinking, there's also the Roland CM-30. Far more > likely to be sniffed at is something like the Peavey Messenger, > which is a 100-watt suitcase PA. I'd consider something like that, > but can't quite go for the size of a 350 or 450. I do own a Micro > Cube but it only has a single controllable input and is only 5 watts. > > I could consider some tiny power amp (something like the > discontinued Crate Powerblock, but for PA use) and a passive > monitor; I always have a mixer with me. > > Ideas, personal experience? > > tangentially loopish, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > -- PS. http://myspace.com/mistershifty new live recordings -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island From security@eppi-card.com Tue May 13 02:56:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5718 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:56:04 UTC Received: from mike0311.tempdomainname.com (mike0311.tempdomainname.com [161.58.142.208]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A780E3BE7C; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from borowskylawfirm.com ([64.19.153.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mike0311.tempdomainname.com (8.13.6.20060614/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m4D1K5xe083653; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from User ([209.218.96.2]) by borowskylawfirm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:02:47 -0400 Reply-To: From: "EPPICard Online" Subject: Security notification regarding your Online Access (Message ID NL77352) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:03:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 01:02:47.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F3AAED0:01C8B495] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear EPPICard member,

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 04:29:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 915DC3BE85; Tue, 13 May 2008 04:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5F283512-54FD-4646-9422-9E93CA9B5568@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Flight Cases Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:29:07 +0200 References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 04:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone recommend a supplier or maker of flight cases in Europe? Thanks, Doc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 06:28:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33D483BE8A; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: midi splitter? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:28:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aci0wpFS0YBvAC5NTYu4pMzg0xGrMw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:28:39 +0000 (UTC) I use two EDPs that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one of them - the other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP pushbuttons. Of course, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control both EDPs at once - I do different things with them so I would first use the first EDP, then the other. It would be nice if I had a tiny box that would simply split the signal from the PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, but it would have to have some kind of manual switch so the midi signals would either go this way or that way. Is this possible at all, and are there boxes available that can do that? if not, does anyone have schematics for that so I can have my technician build it for me? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 06:36:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1D593BE87; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hlUb8v9ha9SRop5/ZAZZY7JQUUc+TJ3/ZgJBF8BKyRk=; b=at3b1ej32O1+S196WCwKCta1DDdLWGAik9q22/Q9ulQl+hmOZIZAPaSsGZCkN62+BfpB2bxxue6e7vVjtNAE3Hc1vhERDbDaHc6ZA6AeFbf1HvaYn4x45SgW6lWKgLfDdgwhPmc8WpudM3hku69sHEoVPiKzsongI/Vpo7OY2nI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BmBOfpU4cZdznjYQFx9IiSWzWFWiNwBM7VlMzY/qRytruM6NuUO7HWyHusHx8uLkcGUf6eUklyyTO+e32F3HDZYa5GYOWvVdqyOD9+sh6gpM49LxE5CiSvFo4NkRD09qR40vhAEd4vwiz5KjfSE2hyzLJvA7XUoUR8RZx2iynd0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:48 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi splitter? In-Reply-To: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8815_2620673.1210660608961" References: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:36:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8815_2620673.1210660608961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If the PMC-10 can be programmed to send MIDI Notes (and I'm not sure, but I thought it had a reputation as being a full-featured MIDI controller), why not just use the hardware you already have? MIDI Out from the PMC to EDP1, then patch the MIDI Thru from EDP1 to the MIDI In of EDP2. Set the Source# of the two EDP far enough apart that there are no overlaps and program the PMC to send MIDI notes to control the two EDP. One bank can be for EDP1, the other for EDP2. Your "bank up" and "bank down" buttons would allow you to select which EDP you were controlling. TH On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > I use two EDPs that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one of > them - the other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP > pushbuttons. > Of course, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control both > EDPs at once - I do different things with them so I would first use the > first EDP, then the other. > > It would be nice if I had a tiny box that would simply split the signal > from > the PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, but it would have to have some > kind > of manual switch so the midi signals would either go this way or that way. > > > ------=_Part_8815_2620673.1210660608961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If the PMC-10 can be programmed to send MIDI Notes (and I'm not sure, but I thought it had a reputation as being a full-featured MIDI controller), why not just use the hardware you already have? 

    MIDI Out from the PMC to EDP1, then patch the MIDI Thru from EDP1 to the MIDI In of EDP2.  Set the Source# of the two EDP far enough apart that there are no overlaps and program the PMC to send MIDI notes to control the two EDP.  One bank can be for EDP1, the other for EDP2.  Your "bank up" and "bank down" buttons would allow you to select which EDP you were controlling.

    TH

    On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
    I use two EDPs that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one of
    them - the other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP pushbuttons.
    Of course, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control both
    EDPs at once - I do different things with them so I would first use the
    first EDP, then the other.

    It would be nice if I had a tiny box that would simply split the signal from
    the PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, but it would have to have some kind
    of manual switch so the midi signals would either go this way or that way.



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loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0783c9f1-601c-463a-8dd6-6b707b320534_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.255.26] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: midi splitter? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:00:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 12:00:10.0634 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4F2FEA0:01C8B4F0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:00:12 +0000 (UTC) --_0783c9f1-601c-463a-8dd6-6b707b320534_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been connecting three edps in the way Travis just described and to b= e honest...after that 2 will be a sinch... just have an offet of 48 and yo= u will be dandy for every function. I managed to squeeze three edps on careful offsets but that was cos there w= here some higher numbered functions i didnt need on any of them. =20 there is no noticable latency between one and two... three hmmm....it may b= e there but i cant tell as i always begin loops on one so others are bro sy= nched for timing and this is spot on!! =20 good luck =20 Phill Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:48 -0700From: travishartnett@gmail.comTo: Loop= ers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: midi splitter?If the PMC-10 can= be programmed to send MIDI Notes (and I'm not sure, but I thought it had a= reputation as being a full-featured MIDI controller), why not just use the= hardware you already have? MIDI Out from the PMC to EDP1, then patch the = MIDI Thru from EDP1 to the MIDI In of EDP2. Set the Source# of the two EDP= far enough apart that there are no overlaps and program the PMC to send MI= DI notes to control the two EDP. One bank can be for EDP1, the other for E= DP2. Your "bank up" and "bank down" buttons would allow you to select whic= h EDP you were controlling.TH On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Peters wrote: I use two EDPs that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one ofth= em - the other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP pushbuttons.Of= course, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control bothEDPs= at once - I do different things with them so I would first use thefirst ED= P, then the other.It would be nice if I had a tiny box that would simply sp= lit the signal fromthe PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, but it would hav= e to have some kindof manual switch so the midi signals would either go thi= s way or that way. _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. 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    I have been connecting three edps in the way Travis just described and = to be honest...after that 2 will be a sinch... just have an offet of 48&nbs= p; and you will be dandy for every function.

    I managed to squeeze three edps on careful offsets but that was cos the= re where some higher numbered functions i didnt need on any of them.
     
    there is no noticable latency between one and two... three hmmm....it may b= e there but i cant tell as i always begin loops on one so others are bro sy= nched  for timing and this is spot on!!
     
    good luck
     
    Phill

    Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:48 -0700
    From: travishartnett@gmail.com
    = To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: midi splitter?
    <= BR>If the PMC-10 can be programmed to send MIDI Notes (and I'm not sure, bu= t I thought it had a reputation as being a full-featured MIDI controller), = why not just use the hardware you already have? 

    MIDI Out from= the PMC to EDP1, then patch the MIDI Thru from EDP1 to the MIDI In of EDP2= .  Set the Source# of the two EDP far enough apart that there are no o= verlaps and program the PMC to send MIDI notes to control the two EDP. = ; One bank can be for EDP1, the other for EDP2.  Your "bank up" and "b= ank down" buttons would allow you to select which EDP you were controlling.=

    TH

    On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Michael Peter= s <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
    I use two ED= Ps that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one of
    them - the= other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP pushbuttons.
    Of cou= rse, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control both
    EDPs= at once - I do different things with them so I would first use the
    firs= t EDP, then the other.

    It would be nice if I had a tiny box that wou= ld simply split the signal from
    the PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, = but it would have to have some kind
    of manual switch so the midi signals= would either go this way or that way.




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Get it Now! = --_0783c9f1-601c-463a-8dd6-6b707b320534_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 12:35:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B48A3BE8F; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:35:12 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Flight Cases MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <7Ga3aB.A.uAB.BsYKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:35:14 +0000 (UTC) > Can anyone recommend a supplier or maker of flight cases in Europe? All my cases have been made by Thomann in Germany. http://www.thomann.de/= Sjaak=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 12:56:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89A373BE8E; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 32266859 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: midi splitter? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:56:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72086A1B30@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: midi splitter? Thread-Index: Aci0+MHM6LUOfdtlSMWVGrC2uCPx7A== References: <000701c8b4c2$92ecd9b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "Loopers Delight" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 12:56:28.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2310260:01C8B4F8] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:56:30 +0000 (UTC) >>Is this possible at all, and are there boxes available that can do that? if not, does anyone have schematics for that so I can have my technician build it for me?<< a quick google will find you (or your tech) the necessary data to build a little midi through box, or you could buy one- they are not as expensive as midi merge boxes. but you will need to run the EDPs on different midi channels (someone else will have to confirm this is possible).=20 or, as you say, simply divert the midi stream from one to the other using the midi equivalent of an a-b box. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:16:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7413BE99; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: 10.5.2 Audio dropuot Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:16:26 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:16:30 +0000 (UTC) I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to record in 6 days. I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from scratch. Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way? I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. An odd thing is that the drop out is much worse in Logic 8 than it is in in DP5. I have a 2GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM. Doc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:20:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610733BE9E; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Flight Cases Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:19:58 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks - I know Thomann - very good shop - but I wasn't able to find the size I need. Has anyone had experience with Amptown? http://www.amptown-cases.co.uk/ On May 13, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Sjaak wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a supplier or maker of flight cases in Europe? > > All my cases have been made by Thomann in Germany. http://www.thomann.de/ > > Sjaak > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:29:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404303BEB2; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:29:20 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> Message-ID: <20080513132920.312530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> Subject: Re: They stole our idea! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/BLN4AT6fBSFo1BuVFR+eA9DIN7Zh7PHiQTdqq4L AhEwVbtF+GgJBeS2JraWs4fRtkVBHDlfr8lQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 1P5MCXsOfW47VJNBjGRoumFudmllckU1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:29:22 +0000 (UTC) > > But that's the slight difference between _dreaming_ and actually DOING > it. >>"Bob Amstadt" Yes, you were one of the people I had in mind :-) -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A8803BEBE; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaU+yfLkxQUJJGE1Z Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Flight Cases Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:34:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aci0/Aw687jHo5XTSXSSYaNfuZvwOAAAW0IA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:34:49 +0000 (UTC) If you're happy with the build quality/weight of the Thomann cases = (these aren't the item of choice if shock-proofing or low weight are a prime concern), you may ask them for a custom build. I once had one made for me to hold my DDX3216 console and a few pieces = of outboard gear and got it for a very reasonable price. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: doc rossi [mailto:docittern@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 15:20 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Flight Cases >=20 > Thanks - I know Thomann - very good shop - but I wasn't able=20 > to find the size I need. >=20 > Has anyone had experience with Amptown? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 13:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50803BEBE; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:48:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: 10.5.2 Audio dropuot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711200753f9ad303e3301b4d958afc0987e4d0ca2637590cc961d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:49:10 +0000 (UTC) This question would best be asked here: http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1201&start=0 >I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to >record in 6 days. > >I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from >scratch. Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way? > >I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any >difference. An odd thing is that the drop out is much worse in Logic >8 than it is in in DP5. > >I have a 2GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM. > >Doc -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 14:57:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADAC3BEA4; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: 10.5.2 Audio dropuot Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:57:14 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:57:17 +0000 (UTC) thanks On May 13, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > This question would best be asked here: > > http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1201&start=0 > > > >> I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to >> record in 6 days. >> >> I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from >> scratch. Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way? >> >> I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any >> difference. An odd thing is that the drop out is much worse in >> Logic 8 than it is in in DP5. >> >> I have a 2GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM. >> >> Doc > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 15:04:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D4D3BE98; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rwnHAX+vkwgL7b7Tcw6fTMXBlmH+TBSWwo09sJ0Zky4=; b=pvirldHCxS46JF/ulJQl0oYc6t1BUPWQReERfo0czb7ElvldtBmKq+EpYDqjX0d7dxoJgQBy1E4SSkBzQF+6JZbttakpnjPPiqAbd0lQENIGssKfsfC3uGKv0tzO4qmLY5YtYEhvF0k2RH5kFGKr13X61KfKY8LwGkh4XHj64rg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Vrk7m04gwvfyFkSe6I3Pnk0M+VgiWmjRhdEy95dkLPeXpcsD3ry8Lpkl9A5/Iz4/3gCtHt3+Bj17IXZvMXi6/KXx3VQMG9hu/KNSZ9c2YeDKj7B1KxtWT9QGK1rGGLRtcnuElK6+gLB1Ef/+FXc9+65Ki4I2YBhDPgKOrKULxqA= Message-ID: <8feb287a0805130804p7ad5f46ye71cc9a9aeae207@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:04:34 -0400 From: "Todd Lainhart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re; digest layout format In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70805100346l3a95d372gfab2748b1b071b12@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10789_2299661.1210691074682" References: <7b6c0ce70805100346l3a95d372gfab2748b1b071b12@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:04:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10789_2299661.1210691074682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Same situation here - rejoined after an absence, and can't use digest. I responded by using gmail labels (I see that you have a gmail account). Create a filter to label everything from loopers-delight.com as (e.g.) "Looping", and have it archived as that label (in won't be in your Inbox). Read the mail by selecting the "Looping" label from the "Labels" column. The benefit is that the mails will also be threaded by discussion. Works well, except that I forget to read the postings until days later. There's probably a way to fix that as well. -- Todd On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Steve Sandberg < stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com> wrote: > I've recently resubscribed to the loopers -delight digest - > haven't been receiving it for about 2 years, i used to receive it in a > format in which it was wonderfully easy to click from item to item and > differentiate between them - > now (i'm using latest firefox on a mac) everything is jumbled together and > it's really hard to see where one item begins and another ends - > anyone else have this problem and know a fix? thanks. > > ------=_Part_10789_2299661.1210691074682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Same situation here - rejoined after an absence, and can't use digest.  I responded by using gmail labels (I see that you have a gmail account).

    Create a filter to label everything from loopers-delight.com as (e.g.) "Looping", and have it archived as that label (in won't be in your Inbox).  Read the mail by selecting the "Looping" label from the "Labels" column.  The benefit is that the mails will also be threaded by discussion.

    Works well, except that I forget to read the postings until days later.  There's probably a way to fix that as well.

      -- Todd

    On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Steve Sandberg <stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
    I've recently resubscribed to the loopers -delight digest -
    haven't been receiving it for about 2 years, i used to receive it in a format in which it was wonderfully easy to click from item to item and differentiate between them -
    now (i'm using latest firefox on a mac) everything is jumbled together and it's really hard to see where one item begins and another ends -
    anyone else have this problem and know a fix? thanks.


    ------=_Part_10789_2299661.1210691074682-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 15:37:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15C823BEAF; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4829B5CF.9050507@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:37:51 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the input, all. It's looking pretty good but I'll try to audition one before I buy just to see what it's really like on its own. appreciated, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I have an SRM 150. > I think it would be perfect for what you need. It sounds full and good. > I like it a lot, although I haven't used it as a standalone PA, just > a monitor mixer. > > Teddy > > On May 12, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> There's been plenty of discussion (or at least mention) here >> regarding the Mackie SRM450 powered speakers. Has anyone had >> experience with the tiny SRM150? I need something portable, with two >> inputs, that can provide a bit of reinforcement for very small >> venues, coffeeshops and that kind of thing. I have no doubt the 150 >> works well as a monitor, but it's supposed to be able to handle some >> application as a main PA, which is what I'm interested in. A 5.25" >> speaker doesn't give a lot of hope, but it sure is nice and small. I >> want to be able to carry the thing around as part of my luggage. >> >> In this line of thinking, there's also the Roland CM-30. Far more >> likely to be sniffed at is something like the Peavey Messenger, which >> is a 100-watt suitcase PA. I'd consider something like that, but >> can't quite go for the size of a 350 or 450. I do own a Micro Cube >> but it only has a single controllable input and is only 5 watts. >> >> I could consider some tiny power amp (something like the discontinued >> Crate Powerblock, but for PA use) and a passive monitor; I always >> have a mixer with me. >> >> Ideas, personal experience? >> >> tangentially loopish, >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> > > -- > PS. > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > new live recordings > -- > Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows > May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 > May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island > > > > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG.Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.11/1422 - > Release Date: 5/8/2008 5:24 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 15:50:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5FC73BEA9; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:50:47 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:midi splitter? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael, I think this is possible. I believe you an use different midi channels wi= th both the PCM-10 and EDP. Possible setup without a midi splitter (=3D m= idi-thru box): - assign different midi channels to each EDP, 1 and 2 - connect the midi out of the 1st EDP to the midi-in of the 2nd EDP - connect the midi out of the PCM-10 to the midi-in of the 1st EDP - activate midi piping (=3D midi thru) on the 1st EDP Use different midi channels per PCM-10 patch to either control EDP 1 or 2= . Sjaak > Michael Peters wrote: > I use two EDPs that are not in sync, and I use a PMC-10 to control one = of > them - the other one can only be controlled by pushing the EDP pushbutt= ons. > Of course, because the EDPs are not in sync, I don't have to control bo= th > EDPs at once - I do different things with them so I would first use the= > first EDP, then the other. > > It would be nice if I had a tiny box that would simply split the signal= from > the PMC-10, connecting it to both EDPs, but it would have to have some = kind > of manual switch so the midi signals would either go this way or that w= ay. =0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 17:39:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15BD3BE99; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=2t64oaoeTXo6u04GppuFqw6v6TMVxDY0IANAbWN1qus=; b=AXb63HFNukAsZd3u7GEXzr/QNucHVgw9192pHBNdI4r5RYFrsbhTo1sWvAlgKUcQyR/fgL8hDl/Yz68E2Qze8qxhuQ8g0HiTeHUsM9ZE8kGxv0FNobStIjnUcq7zc0X7krkNhiIHf/vSe5vH3vU87UzqoFAA2+Od9/QMrh+1tLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UGAom2GX0P7S4RW9jXnnHByiOS0sxoekXnOfTAmdpX0fWYq6MDXpM3SOV3Yv9iTescDIu6d1db0/sthipDMdURxlpYIo9BxOAENq2RM/curuhgkfcSDhQOpSvbsMsUlOym9Q8TpSlEqQL4e52Ja0KEV5LpiQpdVQDiK26wR0cl8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0805131039w1ddf9623t89a234c89889ea44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:39:05 +0200 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Flight Cases In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9888_12559869.1210700345500" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: ee61143fa4adc93a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:39:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9888_12559869.1210700345500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline flightcase warehouse http://www.flightcasewarehouse.co.uk/index.asp looks cheap to me, i need a trip to th uk to pick up a cool box they stock.. shipping and customs, will be worth the flight and a bit of smuggling.. oh arh Jim =B4m lad... --=20 www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no ------=_Part_9888_12559869.1210700345500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
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    www.looop.no ------=_Part_9888_12559869.1210700345500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 17:51:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28BF03BEAE; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c8b521$ee531670$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20080512203139.167080@gmx.net> <05a501c8b475$c7247e10$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4828F8C4.20003@mhorse.com> <4681E9DD-011E-48DB-B17F-C237684EDD02@mac.com> <5F283512-54FD-4646-9422-9E93CA9B5568@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Flight Cases Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:51:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've bought a few really good flight cases from Flightcase Warehouse http://www.flightcasewarehouse.co.uk/ They will also make them to order. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "doc rossi" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:29 AM Subject: Flight Cases > Can anyone recommend a supplier or maker of flight cases in Europe? > > Thanks, > > Doc > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 19:24:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA60D3BE94; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45a6e910-510c-4d9d-8104-036b60df834d_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.64.50] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: new line6 variax? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:24:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72086A14CD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72086A14CD@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 19:24:15.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[EED1A960:01C8B52E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:24:17 +0000 (UTC) --_45a6e910-510c-4d9d-8104-036b60df834d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah yes..i think in my excitement i forgot to mention that a megnetic pickup= was another major part of what was mentioned..............and part which i= saw as near essential...have it that there is no battery indicator too....= ...i mean cmon how hard could that have been....even my =A360 no name acous= tic electro has a lil red battery light dot on the controls =20 phill Subject: RE: new line6 variax?Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:56:22 +0100From: go= ddard.duncan@mtvne.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com well, I have a variax bass.... it does a nice enough job of imitating the v= arious things it's supposed to, but apart from the alembic, gibson & uprigh= t models, I'm pretty well catered for by the rest of my bass accumulation. = the variax would be improved if it had- =20 a) a real pickup of it's own- maybe a p-bass type, just to blend in with th= e models & give it a bit of character b) a slightly deeper & narrower neck (but that's just a matter of taste, I = suppose, & comparing it with fenders & rickenbackers) c) for sure, a GK-style interface. in fact, do away with the GK part & put = an axon board inside the thing, so you can run it with a normal midi cable. =20 d. 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    well, I have a vari= ax bass.... it does a nice enough job of imitating the various things it's = supposed to, but apart from the alembic, gibson & upright models, I'm p= retty well catered for by the rest of my bass accumulation. the variax woul= d be improved if it had-
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    Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? = Get Messenger on your Mobile! = --_45a6e910-510c-4d9d-8104-036b60df834d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 20:24:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A54D3BE92; Tue, 13 May 2008 20:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: octave stomp box? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:24:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19fiLDpQP9fZzraUEN8ETxW6JBOxgn6+hkYjZr y00f2d+eE+iHuRV+mp/U7255apCxhfhOj7el5asxTgfYRMIJVe 56EtcU1ZetnR/iIypXHyM3C5GA97lhS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:24:37 +0000 (UTC) hi, i have a gig soon besides a swimming pool, so i need to work with batteries. dl4 and rc-2 will be my loopers. anybody know about a battery powered octaver? i need 1 and 2 octaves up. may the BEHRINGER US600 be an option? help is greatly appreciated. smooth looping - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 21:38:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25BC3BE99; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-id: <0DE8DFD7-36D4-4068-9372-5A0780AA448D@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Gear Sale. Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:38:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, Before I put this stuff on Ebay, IThought I'd give you guys first chance. Let me know if anyone is interested. Paypal etc. M Audio Firewire 410 $125 M Powered Pro Tools 7 $75 Boss RC 2 $150 Like New Line 6 Variax 300 Red with Roland GK 3 Installed. $300 Thanks Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 21:40:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 307073BEA9; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OcG/i+hsp/NGqe4isl+H3nltjmnY/L27gfWGE8A9P1g=; b=W7dAv4cn7X773NWoC/m84CYReK5Ncb1xAQLrW8lrFUeW7knq/MWqhYuYMPOUzbVTUm7RcXE20ysy0VJxXUiCPAu+33SrOzUTEXcc2sF4x4pKqMBMxHsR7Q8cNHuJyyY6Oxxob1HZZZPzp2++v1DumjplbIVQi8UVWNteXTZR8vI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=d+8vrTku7tEGHPItsWA6W5GxctJi+yCw0ZCE9JSILNpqOVWUDfDcz6U6VQnCWbCbbmNMNZpdM4beVKOk4xBNBCt5KklkoA4vzY4gp4v4Xqsqto8BlhK1mihw8G7Mc1oGZOwpS8dQAEQRrdMbC8IX63SNPkBsFxLOE3XHRAk4buY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:40:13 -0500 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: octave stomp box? In-Reply-To: <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7208_17186668.1210714813504" References: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:40:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7208_17186668.1210714813504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One option is an Octavia-type pedal. I have the Dunlop Jimi Hendix Octave Fuzz, pretty cool. But it's not like a harmonizer effect, so can't do 2 octaves up. And the octave-up only works well if you play near the 12th fret with the neck pickup. But it sounds way cool, like the solo on "Purple Haze". I like to run that at a fairly tame level and run its output through a more saturated distortion sound. If you play multiple notes you get weird ring-modulator-type effects that are kind of cool. If you need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech Whammy Pedal run on batteries? -- Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_7208_17186668.1210714813504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One option is an Octavia-type pedal. I have the Dunlop Jimi Hendix Octave Fuzz, pretty cool. But it's not like a harmonizer effect, so can't do 2 octaves up. And the octave-up only works well if you play near the 12th fret with the neck pickup. But it sounds way cool, like the solo on "Purple Haze". I like to run that at a fairly tame level and run its output through a more saturated distortion sound.

    If you play multiple notes you get weird ring-modulator-type effects that are kind of cool.

    If you need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech Whammy Pedal run on batteries?

    --
    Mark Smart
    http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart
    http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_7208_17186668.1210714813504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:18:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB6763BE91; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0DE8DFD7-36D4-4068-9372-5A0780AA448D@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Gear Sale/ pro tools vs. logic Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:18:33 -0600 References: <0DE8DFD7-36D4-4068-9372-5A0780AA448D@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Chris, forgive my ignorance, but is that the most updated version of Pro Tools? I have not dived in yet, and had been debating between Pro Tools and Logic. I had been leaning toward Logic, as I'm pretty Mac oriented, but I'm trying to way out all the options. One that would be important is video import. I'm starting to do more work on film soundtracks. Thanks John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:32:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE24A3BE91; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c8b549$46f34fd0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: octave stomp box? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:32:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C8B551.A89B2F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:32:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C8B551.A89B2F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boss PS-5 runs on Batteries and can do up to two octaves up/down. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Smart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: octave stomp box? One option is an Octavia-type pedal. I have the Dunlop Jimi Hendix = Octave Fuzz, pretty cool. But it's not like a harmonizer effect, so = can't do 2 octaves up. And the octave-up only works well if you play = near the 12th fret with the neck pickup. But it sounds way cool, like = the solo on "Purple Haze". I like to run that at a fairly tame level and = run its output through a more saturated distortion sound.=20 If you play multiple notes you get weird ring-modulator-type effects = that are kind of cool. If you need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech Whammy = Pedal run on batteries? --=20 Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C8B551.A89B2F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The Boss PS-5 runs on Batteries and can do up to two = octaves=20 up/down.
     
    Ian.
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Mark=20 Smart
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 = 10:40=20 PM
    Subject: Re: octave stomp = box?

    One option is an Octavia-type pedal. I have the Dunlop = Jimi=20 Hendix Octave Fuzz, pretty cool. But it's not like a harmonizer = effect, so=20 can't do 2 octaves up. And the octave-up only works well if you play = near the=20 12th fret with the neck pickup. But it sounds way cool, like the solo = on=20 "Purple Haze". I like to run that at a fairly tame level and run its = output=20 through a more saturated distortion sound.

    If you play = multiple notes=20 you get weird ring-modulator-type effects that are kind of = cool.

    If you=20 need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech Whammy Pedal = run on=20 batteries?

    --
    Mark Smart
    http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart
    http://www.marksmart.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C8B551.A89B2F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:41:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2D3D3BE97; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 00:41:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Ted Killian asked me to make a special trip to check out the Mackie SRM 150 speakers at NAMM. I went and tested them out with a very good singersongwriter and some heavy duty beat boxing. I have to say that I was really underwhelmed. I have a lot of experience with the SRM 450s, the SRM 350s and the equivalent RCF Italian speakers (the company who made them originally and now are competing with Mackie to make a similar product. The SRM 150 strikes me as a very good close monitoring system for a singersongwriter playing guitar and singing but as a really underpowered and, even more importantly, under -timbred monitor for anything requiring full spectrum audio. They are just to tinny and lacking in low mids and bass to be anything other than a monitor. They are NOT a good small P.A. in my humble opinion. Recently, I got a pair of the RCF powered 10" monitors and I have to say that I'm really impressed with them. Competing with Mackie (who they parted ways with after manufacturing their SRM450 and SRM350s) they have made a 10" speaker/horn full range powered speaker that has decent volume for a small gig and also goes 10 hertz lower than it's Mackie equivalent----40 hz). for a 10" speaker that's quite extraordinary! They are also smaller than the Mackie 350s and (this is a big one for me), they are squarer in shape which means that it's much easier to transport them in pairs from the car in one trip. The Mackie's rounded shape makes them easy to slide off a light weight foldable dolly. They used to be slightly cheaper than the Mackie's but the Euros dominance of the US dollar in the american market place probably makes them slightly more expensive. I think they are great. A small mixer (Mackie 1202 VLZ?) and two of these puppies and you can have a great sounding gig in a small place. That's my two cents (or two kroner, as I'm performing in Oslo this evening and have no more cents with me). Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 22:53:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8BDF3BE98; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> In-Reply-To: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> Subject: RE: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:53:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c8b54c$3a3e6a10$aebb3e30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci1SovvPXtd9Al8ROWR/BTDcIvO5QAAPogQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <18yuIC.A.PvE.AwhKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:53:52 +0000 (UTC) Slightly OT, but I once compared all the Mackie powered monitors that were available a few years ago. IMO, the 1521 (15" 2-way) was not significantly better sounding that the venerable SRM450. But the 1530 (15" 3-way, tower) sounded fabulous! - a big jump up in sound quality. But at 100lbs ea, not very portable. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 13 23:27:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9341F3BE8A; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0DE8DFD7-36D4-4068-9372-5A0780AA448D@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2129B3D5-0EBA-47DF-97F2-8AF69CD42045@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Gear Sale/ pro tools vs. logic Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 19:27:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:27:22 +0000 (UTC) This version of pt does not do video. Logic of course does. On May 13, 2008, at 6:18 PM, john floridis wrote: > Chris, forgive my ignorance, but is that the most updated version > of Pro Tools? I have not dived in yet, and had been debating > between Pro Tools and Logic. I had been leaning toward Logic, as > I'm pretty Mac oriented, but I'm trying to way out all the options. > > One that would be important is video import. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 06:02:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B77F3BE97; Wed, 14 May 2008 06:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:02:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> In-Reply-To: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3BxSdD.A.Sd.5BoKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:02:33 +0000 (UTC) hey Rick, thanks for sparing the kroner from afar, good to hear your full and informed review. "Underwhelmed" is a strong phrase...I'm hearing enough dissenting opinions here and elsewhere that I'm not convinced I'd be happy with them for this purpose. The RCF's are getting great reviews everywhere it seems. I'm seeing them for $450-550 which is more than I wanted to spend, but more than that they're not something I can really regularly fly with, small as they are. I have to weigh a bit more exactly what I want to do and can spend, but at this point I'm thinking about getting several passive 10" monitors, leaving one in each of my safe houses on each coast, and traveling with a small power amp. I have plenty of choices for passive monitors, but it's been hard finding a power amp that's NOT rack size. There's this one (http://www.stewartaudio.com/pa_series.php) but it's a fair amount of cash for the low wattage. (Why can't everywhere that regularly hosts live music invest a few hundred bucks in a PA appropriate to their needs? /gripe..) Much appreciated. Hope you slew the Norse tonight! (so to speak) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Ted Killian asked me to make a special trip to > check out the Mackie SRM 150 speakers at > NAMM. > > I went and tested them out with a very good singersongwriter and > some heavy duty beat boxing. > > I have to say that I was really underwhelmed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 11:36:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBDF93BEA0; Wed, 14 May 2008 11:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c8b5b6$c524ae90$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> <006c01c8b549$46f34fd0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: octave stomp box? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:36:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5C7.876212D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yzouRC7icKjh/uFI1zwsjOealzUOaMdfIoda XParmRs8G6BFKODdLsTYojf2j/n4mjrnaciTVVok/biedYUChI ezs1vjiwaYHjXFjO0f3t6bvc/MyoFJ9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:36:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5C7.876212D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanx a lot to mark and ian for the info - i will try out the boss ps-5. unfortunately the whammy doesn't run on batteries... tilmann The Boss PS-5 runs on Batteries and can do up to two octaves up/down. Ian. If you need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech = Whammy Pedal run on batteries? --=20 Mark Smart http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5C7.876212D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    thanx a lot to mark and ian for the = info - i will=20 try out the boss ps-5.
    unfortunately the whammy doesn't run on = batteries...
     
    tilmann
     
    The Boss PS-5 runs on Batteries and can do up to = two octaves=20 up/down.
     
    Ian.
     

    If=20 you need a harmonizer thing this isn't it. Does the Digitech Whammy = Pedal=20 run on batteries?

    --
    Mark Smart
    http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart
    http://www.marksmart.net=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C8B5C7.876212D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:34:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA713BEB2; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: OT: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B58C.847491A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci1xzA4p/I/VrKxRgy4u1rwxYIOUw== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:34:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B58C.847491A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked for you? -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B58C.847491A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I recently attended an event where I was exposed to = several verses of the “you are my hero” song.  Soon I realized = that I had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I = kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset.    = Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out.   I feel much better = now ;-)

     

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    -Qua

    ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B58C.847491A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:42:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDA03BECA; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:42:04 +0200 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JhE1E+3JJhJj12sDPgutjdxjbdUZAKWottBPma3 4tEoNzx09OLCaZuF9sA9doHQL2ngUK1pfDvQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: GN4Ye3B2PTR+EZ4oyjMw+7s5c2tpZEs1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks here is a topic I find quite controversial: When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. I just wanted to hear your opinions: Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) Best regards Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACDA63BED3; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2D7yn1RETFHjXLh27yh5lANJMn7c+JQMIuhpUUi4OAk=; b=svJhPRsw1NI3GqfHB4wj3J5R8JxwA3ljes1OasIyB2KkOtWbygNrmbvjmPNL1KtaAS0dRkYMBpGYygH7g+nhj8Vnv0eT1S5gnlK5cQP+DxzyDJ94BKjaWJK9x/ynwDoyhVj8FE2zxuZB9W/SN1z0QJU7pCKZNdSWmMKHXfTXHac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NKhWEngIKMw7CZ/FuBe1shmXvElpk0/XOxM6ikko9VH3xwwhetxjTljgyMZLhyaek1rB06ZNp2DmcRdGJpwt+lLt/7b9yqaAyW0AR7H+dxNKXK9UoaPU4fsTcloO5iFjug2vUiqJw1zf6uIfoduhMVUEL1CdtyKIzgBtGylx7lw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:42:41 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: sonic viral infection In-Reply-To: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_181_5142018.1210772561572" References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:42:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_181_5142018.1210772561572 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked for you? Yes!!! Usually after my kid has control of the radio/cd player. She likes some good stuff, but there there's that pop thing... I put on something loud and aggressive. Tool, White Zombie, Opeth. Dream Theater, Black Sabbath. Works for me. ;) Tony On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the > "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the > viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my > stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it > out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked > for you? > > > > -Qua > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_181_5142018.1210772561572 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses?   What treatment worked for you?

    Yes!!!  Usually after my kid has control of the radio/cd player.  She likes some good stuff, but there there's that pop thing... <shudder>

    I put on something loud and aggressive.  Tool, White Zombie, Opeth. Dream Theater, Black Sabbath.

    Works for me. ;)

    Tony

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

    I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the "you are my hero" song.  Soon I realized that I had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset.    Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out.   I feel much better now ;-)

     

    Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses?   What treatment worked for you?

     

    -Qua




    --
    -==-=-=-
    Tony ------=_Part_181_5142018.1210772561572-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:48:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63113BE94; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1210772930; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=v4H9eMSUPKijVQDHqveCN6Iy2wc=; b=EoMGO4kGy9xzurwIZAKjm3z69leASxejOmtVzS83n0JnTvBw994XGaV1PjEN8CJP TtYPrNOT9k08l7oTL/i3HAAnODVqB1K1pwQdqb3foNZw8qoLoHdcjrGpi0Gfdqb/; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=7XNSDBbG7s8meesLJy8A:9 a=HGS0548nbgqOZZNXSksA:7 a=jFM3hh7Nk5_b0NSch3M3DvOdBMEA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=8ji-nNeQThPapE0Dk6cA:9 a=67FV2w6d7MWZ6n3djJIA:7 a=fah6oLyXzLkQI1jy5VoLj6ARKn8A:4 a=WETEYgVfkbYA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> Subject: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:49:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8B5A7.C4E3F9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:48:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8B5A7.C4E3F9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Qua Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for DT! = I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme which = fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: Language = is a Virus. In fact now You Are My Hero is running through my head as I write this = and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the Pezens! lol, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: OT: sonic viral infection I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of = the "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected = and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my = mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David = Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) =20 Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment = worked for you? =20 -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: = 5/14/2008 7:49 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8B5A7.C4E3F9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Qua
     
    Yes I think most of us have had = experiences like=20 that, thank God for DT!
     
    I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M= eme which=20 fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: Language = is a=20 Virus.
     
    In fact now You Are My Hero is running = through my=20 head as I write this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, = Bring on=20 the Pezens!
     
    lol,
          =20 Jeff
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Qua Veda =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 = 8:34=20 AM
    Subject: OT: sonic viral = infection

    I recently attended an event where I was exposed = to several=20 verses of the =93you are my hero=94 song.  Soon I realized that I = had been=20 infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept = playing in my=20 mind and my stomach was upset.    Fortunately, a heavy = dose of=20 David Torn knocked it out.   I feel much better now=20 ;-)

     

    Have you recently experienced such sonic=20 viruses?   What treatment worked for you?

     

    -Qua


    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by AVG. =
    Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date:=20 5/14/2008 7:49 AM
    ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8B5A7.C4E3F9E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:53:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4DF3BEE4; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date:references; bh=jyZJeRBS9EAp6jPPkWZ0VAecgTcxtRvd8RGOd1TTHFQ=; b=sXmKLPqTqp6TAP7y2XYJA+SIVBckLeVWrIs29Yo1KiYHMnNmFa0ZjZDXMSgPbylG7IM3dwPv19A8Injfjc321oIHsnhe6Pd25/a5YspN8HKG1HvBZGuqV9dnhmhjWb9sWG/1C25xlnk+IOsRw4A9cATx36z2S6loHGB8Lm3xJhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date:references; b=MA/hH+ItMzZxzTZtPjP/LmNdCFGPBXbmx2XHnNe4TQCz6n5r+1xWlncUEsbRPBTjk4Bf9snAN7+8JT4C4jLONiQviKGtU7+iRfOlzR7h6yfLGeLxMotElBkAPmBthK8itsXyuoj/igtvK/MgiNpJpoTlCZbC61LKxkcX7lpd6Mk= Message-Id: <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> From: David Hayes To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-537804578 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Subject: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:53:57 -0700 References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-537804578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes 867 5309 On May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke" =20 wrote: > Hi Qua > > Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for =20= > DT! > > I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme =20 > which fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: =20= > Language is a Virus. > > In fact now You Are My Hero is running through my head as I write =20 > this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the =20 > Pezens! > > lol, > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Qua Veda > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM > Subject: OT: sonic viral infection > > I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses =20 > of the =E2=80=9Cyou are my hero=E2=80=9D song. Soon I realized that I = had been =20 > infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept pla=20= > ying in my mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy=20= > dose of David Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment =20 > worked for you? > > > > -Qua > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > V --Apple-Mail-7-537804578 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8



           =   867 5309







    O= n May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke" <echohead@embarqmail.com> = wrote:

    Hi Qua
     
    Yes I think most of us have had = experiences like=20 that, thank God for DT!
     
    I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me= me which=20 fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: Language = is a=20 Virus.
     
    In fact now You Are My Hero is = running through my=20 head as I write this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, = Bring on=20 the Pezens!
     
    lol,
          =20= Jeff
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Qua = Veda
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 = 8:34=20 AM
    Subject: OT: sonic viral = infection

    I recently attended an event where I was = exposed to several=20 verses of the =E2=80=9Cyou are my hero=E2=80=9D song.  Soon I = realized that I had been=20 infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept = playing in my=20 mind and my stomach was upset.    Fortunately, a heavy = dose of=20 David Torn knocked it out.   I feel much better now=20 ;-)

     

    Have you recently experienced such sonic=20 viruses?   What treatment worked for you?

     

    -Qua


    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by AVG.=20=
    V
    = --Apple-Mail-7-537804578-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:55:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1A643BEEC; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1210773326; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=WhKCno+fCjSFWhWG8MFaUsSRKyc=; b=Tm7jkwFRepuGUmjpjK60hj7zAjKChvtf1kznKdiJ16P2j/fqKh0PT4A3JQCDo7T7 eSj+xW1EXvbIGp5lyR876aLeY5SjDgMq25Ehvge55UGzJCxClVIYbwJCQi7zB5Hf; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8Cmucb3UMCwA:10 a=nC38TEo5RAcA:10 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=FeC55btLgeq6_iEXoLcA:9 a=G5wCiCAehRvsEB_qz4gA:7 a=SxaLtjEqXoOjQgXbqCWZVFy_1mEA:4 a=BFDKbZatV3MA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=ZON7V92nu88A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001901c8b5d2$9a733420$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:55:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <7_jh1.A.wBB.O9uKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Buzap I have seen a few people, Laurie Anderson, Adrian Belew, Buckethead come to mind that have done this to good effect so maybe its how its done? The live parts of these peoples shows were so great that I didn't get bothered over the rest. good topic. peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody > performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, as long > as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded loops > (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 13:56:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A0B23BEF5; Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1210773372; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=0mOmFj8UG4Jdowt5HB8J1avDptc=; b=Ar3xzYzELrK5LBvtOglQ2ACXGAzBZtkyK3d77BiPcUXkSWOuTDefLF8m4ufH9so8 eji+csay2oKKwgT+AHkYSNWxXaiVD3J6C5JgKISqxjKPnht8WWf7lnITIqc+YjQE; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=EexSF4_XuJ2p8Brov4kA:9 a=uSK0pT0RxPrdt7dbDagA:7 a=hwOeqsuptSmPtvavb7q4OsaMVEQA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=koTz35KBAXcA:10 a=ZVVtyLzgzeCsATAG0sQA:9 a=0su0trOr94r1Oi6S-SQA:7 a=SMmcBaY09DfSQE_WtoYlsZs-pbUA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=WETEYgVfkbYA:10 a=ct1jHBItfXcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002701c8b5d2$b620ed70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> Subject: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:56:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8B5A8.CCDAE590" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:56:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8B5A8.CCDAE590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hahahahaha, sheesh ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Hayes=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: sonic viral infection 867 5309 On May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke" = wrote: Hi Qua Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for = DT!=20 I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme = which fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: = Language is a Virus. In fact now You Are My Hero is running through my head as I write = this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the = Pezens! lol, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: OT: sonic viral infection I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses = of the =E2=80=9Cyou are my hero=E2=80=9D song. Soon I realized that I = had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I = kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a = heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment = worked for you? -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 V -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: = 5/14/2008 7:49 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8B5A8.CCDAE590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
    hahahahaha, sheesh
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 David=20 Hayes
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 = 8:53=20 AM
    Subject: Re: sonic viral = infection




             867 5309







    On May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke" <echohead@embarqmail.com>=20 wrote:

    Hi Qua
     
    Yes I think most of us have had = experiences=20 like that, thank God for DT!
     
    I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M= eme which=20 fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: = Language is a=20 Virus.
     
    In fact now You Are My Hero is = running through=20 my head as I write this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! = Quick,=20 Bring on the Pezens!
     
    lol,
          =20 Jeff
    ----- Original Message ----- =
    From:=20 Qua = Veda
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, = 2008 8:34=20 AM
    Subject: OT: sonic viral=20 infection

    I recently attended an event where I was = exposed to=20 several verses of the =E2=80=9Cyou are my hero=E2=80=9D = song.  Soon I realized that I=20 had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. = I kept=20 playing in my mind and my stomach was upset.   =20 Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out. =   I feel=20 much better now ;-)

    Have you recently experienced such sonic=20 viruses?   What treatment worked for you?

    -Qua


    No virus found in this incoming message.
    Checked by = AVG.=20
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    Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date:=20 5/14/2008 7:49 AM
    ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8B5A8.CCDAE590-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:01:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2291C3BF0A; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Z9baMmVPdEfZav4ZiqAgIeUtJ6ukZEllgIftdJs3O+M=; b=Z6Xur5PZ/QwuT2s5zZ8+4tnO0qgE3ikz/0i4gQiXZrN1uN4xkm6NCdDKqfPRuUfpBOodIqIpZoT36VNC61ITzenccAwfeOV4AxT7XyJfR5L2iopmSq0Cunhc3ghCI8u1NSI8KZnVFGmRdpialYV0TKmb6HyOuIQYsoWovpzpIds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hrEImfXs7uBwi90F/GVA8wzXQ9bd+tykPJQkfjgHgQSxNRNVP2nyV9b995gBmuKyYaAqxL8hwQdEkJSgNdlFlzomBJ5NhKpQE46q/sMpfVEFGNjeE3nssG7XQNS+7TtSt6nbiaVfRx09SFD86OAg1XzZy3rNu1sIiVCC36LR2hs= Message-ID: <1f178be30805140701t45ca7b54l818238aad01c6dd5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:01:28 -0400 From: Rodney To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sonic viral infection In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Isn't this another form of looping? Repeating over and over inside our head where each person is their own internal audience. :-) Rodney On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Hi Qua > > Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for DT! > > I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme which fall > into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: Language is a > Virus. > > In fact now You Are My Hero is running through my head as I write this and I > haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the Pezens! > > lol, > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Qua Veda > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM > Subject: OT: sonic viral infection > > > > > I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the > "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the > viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my > stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it > out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked > for you? > > > > -Qua > > ________________________________ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 > 7:49 AM > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:02:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53C093BF0F; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:02:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/eQgc/KtDeYjMw2LivIuqtVoUt96ugA42OMCcH6N 7v5GXKwHqidhpkCtWy3N4j0knMKYHIJmkZag== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: zYofIHoNZDIrE8cogWc28fF5emhmY0EG Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks most of you probably run around with your Fireface 800 or MOTU Traveller etc and don't need it. But for me some of the small mixers really worked wonders, so I'd like to tell about it: - Edirol M-10 MX http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M10MX I wouldn't know how to live without this device... It's my battery-driven mini-mixer for all purposes. The only shame is that it has no panning (like i.e. the ... mixer). - Soundcraft Compact 4 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Compact4/ Really nice, small mixer with various stereo (!) routing possibilities: You have Playback/Record/Monitor outs, all in stereo and with balanced (!) connectors. The only drawback is that the line-inputs are RCA. On the plus side: the mono inputs have Hi-Z and Insert chain. Preamps are pretty "ok", too. See SOS review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul04/articles/soundcraftcompact.htm Pity it doesn't run on batteries. This compact mixer gets even smaller when you remove these ugly, olive green plastics things on the sides. So, some other "little helpers" on my shopping list: - Nobels Mix42C http://www.thomann.de/gb/nobels_mix42c.htm This is a mini mixer with 4 mono inputs that you can pan into a stereo out. The 4x Panning really looks nice :-) But I don't know about the quality of Nobels gear, though. - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer by Mackie (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco quality... Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have them on my Mackie Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want to route to your stereo looper. Best regards Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:15:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865193BEDD; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:14:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120961a29ca5740d756695a87083085c4d354f2291d083c5816350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:15:32 +0000 (UTC) You can carry this argument to silly extremes..."What? you don't -build- your own instruments?" >Hi folks > >here is a topic I find quite controversial: >When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see >somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > >I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, >as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > >I just wanted to hear your opinions: >Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded >loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? >Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > >Best regards >Buzap > >-- >Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten >Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:18:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70F33BF1C; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:references; bh=PQ9aDDB5t81byJDiLOUE1XHNaAblqQt4HSZ52fx5QQQ=; b=golH7r9c0xN/92IUmcaSVgOZ327PvRB0z94hZCl4MgIdooYz7A/L+lOQiYuOKKLyLFJQMjXR41aLhkQhH0TDxPoghBhDebgwvNR9ewFX1Muo/TPuXAizfOLBeX2hjwJw3pv/kz3MJKTFZa1r/Yk17XgveYXFkOr+0RYjj/h6ngE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:references; b=PQonacjepcRViYoJqHgQiA2jfwI92K4CM6HWBWfzPFigsx1C0f4UPPAxV2kValnM2MGm4ceaE6mOR9l0ijV3k9K9ncnoXwoFXKqFVlO0+YtMxiaxyieY7ITGIxzoObeXMNqf+6ueu6dHzcAV2Y6WejpqzwUIqQgFhWpGeFuTjF8= Message-Id: From: David Hayes To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:10:55 -0700 References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0yynKD.A.nqB.RTvKIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:18:57 +0000 (UTC) I think that judgement is mostly internal, like making a shot in pool... You know if its basically what you intended and more is expected of the "pros" (by themselves and others). But a good rule of thumb is "Is this a tool or have I affected it in some way." That is, tool like an instrument and affected as in triggering the loop or possibly even just adding some well chosen effects. In abroad sense, library loops must count in that we must sort through and choose them as we would sort through white and black keys on a piano or colors on an artist's pallet. (that said, its much cooler to build everything live... Or at least know you can... Leading to another possible rule of thumb: if you chose to use a loop but could have recorded it, that's okay, if you couldn't have made it yourself, well, thats sill up to you.) On May 14, 2008, at 6:42 AM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see > somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, > as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded > loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:22:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8AEC3BF0B; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:22:05 UTC Message-ID: <20080514091522.yta1e4exw0o044ks@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:15:22 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} DomainKey-Status: no signature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Quoting buzap@gmx.net: > > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see =20 > somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > Great question. For me, it depends on the "gig". In most cases, I've been asked to =20 give a "theremin concert". Thus, I have the flexibility to perform =20 with or without loops and with or without my own pre-recorded material. The theremin is, well... an inherently limited instrument, so to vary =20 the texture makes for a more interesting set. Thus, I do some works =20 that are: straight ahead without looping, live looping combined with =20 non-looped pre-recorded tracks, and live looping without pre-recorded =20 material. My pre-recorded material is quite elaborate -- along the lines of =20 Wendy Carlos and is an artform unto itself. At the Y2K7 festival, I did ONLY live looping without pre-recorded =20 material. And I do think that entirely live music-making has a =20 quality -- a kind of excitement -- that is hard to achieve with =20 pre-recording, thus my direction is to expand on =20 live-without-accompaniment paradigm. The theremin offers some unique challenges along these lines because =20 of tuning issues. To build a loop with a theremin requires that the =20 initial note of the loop be EXACTLY on pitch and EXACTLY in rhythmn. =20 Since the loop's harmony is built up from the initial note it simply =20 HAS to be correct. This makes theremin-looping insanely stressful -- =20 (trust me on this one!) :) However, I just don't want to drag a keyboard around with me -- plus =20 the theremin is demanding -- it is really hard to "serve two masters" =20 when one of them is a theremin. (Grrrrr....) The notion of making =20 music without a keyboard, fretboard, or mouthpiece fits nicely into a =20 theremin set. However, there are times I want to introduce something other than =20 theremin into my music. I have been experimenting with a midi =20 controller on which I can trigger notes from the controller and play =20 them via a VST synth. This would enable me to play "critical notes" =20 from a fixed tuning source as well as give the ear a break from the =20 theremin sound. An alternative is to use a small synth (such as a CZ-101) that is =20 lightweight however that throws me into a keyboard paradigm. Artistically, I am teetering between being a "thereminist who loops" =20 and a "looper who plays theremin". I will apply to play at the Y2K8 loopfest and hope to present a set =20 that extends some of the looping ideas that I used at Y2K7. And, of =20 course, in the spirit of a "live looping festival" nothing will be =20 pre-recorded (other than a tuning pitch or two at the start of each =20 number). Incidentally, all of my work is in surround-sound -- though in many =20 cases I have to mix it to stereo. Surround-sound and live looping =20 seems to go hand-in-hand. But, that's a topic for another thread! Happy looping! -- Kevin http://kevinkissinger.com http://myspace.com/kkissinger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:25:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433E83BF28; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:references:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:cc; bh=wreo9tw23qOTYkRWAS1khZaQiCPrhhfhO5gJynQAPEw=; b=gVgr+diZ7cHhmsrPjsfchlNDdl2rfg2YqjcHCw24Wn4kjLrkAMUEb0Aek7cjGexoVyj9Z1ji/3YfGVhK6PPnxC7vvHtVWf0ekJwxYyR5FDEdC93371qiyNSnhrgtnfCukpLc3OigEIEdI8RrBv0+GZMu0JKEt3+KXvR17Q565LE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:cc; b=Ng5oVLI0dDQcksr6QqxgAAehJWuodhwUvhQfF3H2vNGGvXYMvXYBYZYZ7GPB865txGaSedBzf/aB6rxkMqPNg8MPIy9urx1nm/2gKLFjAib8FFwcSQz3mI8UTPGFocBZrySIE6uX1KA3TLL2+akiztvK5uV+2ozTR86ZOB3FMDQ= References: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> Message-Id: From: David Hayes To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:25:53 -0700 Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:25:46 +0000 (UTC) For non-digital (or to add extra inputs) with the SMALLEST possible physical footprint yet high quality sound (low signal to noise ratio, etc., etc.) check out. RDL (Radio Design Labs) The trade off is that you have to wire things yourself, but that's not hard and you end up with a small, custom rig. The power supplies are larger then the mixers themselves, and yes, they sound great. (Very quiet) Oh, one more trade off, not as easy to adjust on the fly... Small button or pots you turn with a screw driver. (I have a few left to sell if anyone wants one. A few different kinds. I'm not actually actively trying to sell them as they may yet come on handy and are pretty specialized, but I'd fish through them for one of you if you think it might be up your alley.) On May 14, 2008, at 7:02 AM, "Buzap Buzap" wrote: > Hi folks > > most of you probably run around with your Fireface 800 or MOTU > Traveller etc and don't need it. > But for me some of the small mixers really worked wonders, so I'd > like to tell about it: > > - Edirol M-10 MX > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M10MX > I wouldn't know how to live without this device... > It's my battery-driven mini-mixer for all purposes. > The only shame is that it has no panning (like i.e. the ... mixer). > > - Soundcraft Compact 4 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Compact4/ > Really nice, small mixer with various stereo (!) routing > possibilities: You have Playback/Record/Monitor outs, all in stereo > and with balanced (!) connectors. The only drawback is that the line- > inputs are RCA. On the plus side: the mono inputs have Hi-Z and > Insert chain. > Preamps are pretty "ok", too. > See SOS review: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul04/articles/soundcraftcompact.htm > Pity it doesn't run on batteries. This compact mixer gets even > smaller when you remove these ugly, olive green plastics things on > the sides. > > So, some other "little helpers" on my shopping list: > > - Nobels Mix42C > http://www.thomann.de/gb/nobels_mix42c.htm > This is a mini mixer with 4 mono inputs that you can pan into a > stereo out. The 4x Panning really looks nice :-) But I don't know > about the quality of Nobels gear, though. > > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer by Mackie > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco quality... > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have them on my Mackie > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want to route to your > stereo looper. > > Best regards > Buzap > > > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 14:35:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62133BF2F; Wed, 14 May 2008 14:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 31767029 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8B5CF.BEF3C37A" Subject: RE: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:35:24 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72086A219A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sonic viral infection Thread-Index: Aci1z77ZuNOc0O9jRGWjJDZc5dgbsw== References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 14:35:25.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF5055F0:01C8B5CF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:35:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B5CF.BEF3C37A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) =20 Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked for you? << =20 thank f**k it's not just me..... sometimes the other half will look at me & ask what I'm thinking (as women often do), & she can't understand when I respond that I'm not "thinking" about anything but that there's a tune/noise/sound/sound-design-idea going around in my head & I'm sort of listening to it internally. a side-effect of being mentally-wired-up like this is that one is susceptible to this kind of nuisance.... maybe a part of your subconscious musician's mind is trying to unravel whatever formula is at work within the poptastic creation one is being exposed to..... I know I do- I listen for harmonies & textures, like looking for the hidden ingredients in some nasty day-glo confectionery.... =20 but the cure? drive it out with something completely the antithesis. as someone mentioned already, a blast of tool usually does the job.=20 =20 unless the tune you have a problem with is by a perfect circle, of course.... :-) =20 d. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the=20 intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and=20 any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is=20 prohibited. While MTV Networks Europe has taken steps to ensure that this email and=20 any attachments are virus free, it is your responsibility to ensure that=20 this message and any attachments are virus free and do not affect your=20 systems / data. 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    >>I recently attended an eve= nt=20 where I was exposed to several verses of the “you are my hero” = song.  Soon=20 I realized that I had been infected and the viral nature of the song had ta= ken=20 hold. I kept playing in my mind and my stomach was upset.   =20 Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it out.   I feel = much=20 better now ;-)

     

    Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? = ; =20 What treatment worked for you? <<

     

    thank f**k it's= not just=20 me..... sometimes the other half will look at me & ask what I'm thinkin= g (as=20 women often do), & she can't understand when I respond that I'm not=20 "thinking" about anything but that there's a tune/noise/sound/sound-design-= idea=20 going around in my head & I'm sort of listening to it=20 internally.

    a side-effect o= f being=20 mentally-wired-up like this is that one is susceptible to this kind of=20 nuisance.... maybe a part of your subconscious musician's mind is trying to=20 unravel whatever formula is at work within the poptastic creation one is be= ing=20 exposed to..... I know I do- I listen for harmonies & textures, like lo= oking=20 for the hidden ingredients in some nasty day-glo=20 confectionery....

     

    but the cure? d= rive it out=20 with something completely the antithesis. as someone mentioned already, a b= last=20 of tool usually does the job.

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B5CF.BEF3C37A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:06:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D783BF2A; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:57:22 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: sonic viral infection In-reply-to: <002701c8b5d2$b620ed70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> <002701c8b5d2$b620ed70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:06:19 +0000 (UTC) I used to go dancing at a place which played too=20 much Michael Jackson and the like. After while I=20 adapted the strategy of deliberately phrasing my=20 motion in an odd time signature, just to give my=20 mind something to work on, At 9:56 AM -0500 5/14/08, Jeff Duke wrote: >=A4 >hahahahaha, sheesh > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Hayes >To:=20 >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= =2Ecom >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: sonic viral infection > > > > > 867 5309 > > > > > > > >On May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke"=20 ><echohead@embarqmail.com>=20 >wrote: > >>Hi Qua > >Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for DT! > >I have thought of them as memes=20 ><>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme which fall=20 >into many categories. Remember what Laurie=20 >Anderson said: Language is a Virus. > >In fact now You Are My Hero is running through=20 >my head as I write this and I haven't even=20 >listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the=20 >Pezens! > >lol, > Jeff > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Qua Veda >To: <>Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM >Subject: OT: sonic viral infection > >I recently attended an event where I was exposed=20 >to several verses of the "you are my hero" song.=20 >Soon I realized that I had been infected and the=20 >viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept=20 >playing in my mind and my stomach was upset.=20 >Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked=20 >it out. I feel much better now ;-) > >Have you recently experienced such sonic=20 >viruses? What treatment worked for you? > >-Qua > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >V > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database:=20 >269.23.16/1432 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 7:49 AM -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the=20 ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at=20 the same time, and still retain the ability to=20 function." =46. Scott Fitzgerald Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer and Digital Photographer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com My photography can be viewed at=20 http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:12:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A7613BEB9; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:12:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:12:32 +0000 (UTC) If there's no other way to replicate a song onstage it's no sin. If you can't get another guitarist to play just like you, it's not a crime either. Loops or tapes are okay from my standpoint, so long as they're yours, and part of the piece. SP Goodman The Usually Right "Reverend" Norle Enturbulata DDT, DTS * http://www.flickr.com/photos/enturbulata http://www.youtube.com/user/Enturbulata http://tinyurl.com/yre7c6 http://www.xenu.net http://www.xenutv.com http://www.scientology-lies.com http://www.whyaretheydead.net http://www.scientology-kills.org * * " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." * -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88" * * "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist...." * - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967 * * "Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill them immediately and completely..." * - L. Ron Hubbard, "Science of Survival", p117 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3A543BF1A; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2351.69.59.206.219.1210778922.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: sonic viral infection From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:28:43 +0000 (UTC) You bastard! :-) "Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to" "Jenny, I got your number" "I need to make you mine" "867 530ni-ee-ii-ee-ii-ee-iinnnne" I spent too much of the 80's playing in cover bands, and have too much of that material hardwired into my brain. Now I need to go play Coltrane's Ascension for balance. Thanks, dude. > > > > 867 5309 > > > > > > > > On May 14, 2008, at 7:49 AM, "Jeff Duke" > wrote: > >> Hi Qua >> >> Yes I think most of us have had experiences like that, thank God for >> DT! >> >> I have thought of them as memes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme >> which fall into many categories. Remember what Laurie Anderson said: >> Language is a Virus. >> >> In fact now You Are My Hero is running through my head as I write >> this and I haven't even listened to it, Arrgh! Quick, Bring on the >> Pezens! >> >> lol, >> Jeff >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Qua Veda >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:34 AM >> Subject: OT: sonic viral infection >> >> I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses >> of the “you are my hero” song. Soon I realized that I had been >> infected and the viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept pla >> ying in my mind and my stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy >> dose of David Torn knocked it out. I feel much better now ;-) >> >> >> >> Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment >> worked for you? >> >> >> >> -Qua >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> V > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:31:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B8303BF3B; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 14922304/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.245.87 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.245.87 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuUAAFeiKkhPTvVX/2dsb2JhbAAIrgeCRw Message-ID: <482B05DE.3020506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:31:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:31:36 +0000 (UTC) There's lot's of different ways to use pre-recorded material at a live gig. At the Norwich Loopfest, Michael Peters had some pre-recorded drum patterns. They were originally randomly generated, and as he played along to them he recorded the mix into a loop. The impression I got was that he was responding very spontaneously to the sounds, as if they had been randomly generated on the spot. ...................cool (can be found at www.andybutler.com/norwichfest.htm ) Generally though, I think pre-recorded material is a bit boring, not part of the performance, but diluting it, ...just taking you part of the way towards miming. ...and in a live looping context,it's confusing for the audience if there's not a clear way to tell pre-recorded from live. andy butler buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:34:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ECCA3BF46; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=2e+Po7VMitatyi/s024FUWopG4KLuVU4a4AccXqYhQw=; b=XB2E6aZpEDaz/YL8DvL8JF5H/XJZpjbRv53vWx0asd4Xqc1c1F9QcsfdtU0UTY3vjCKOO5fK1jXPiwjPsv0DRUz+tqYQDtQfrn7d9JYfOD4lNA2M6mPW9R6Y30v4lrR0R6WI5/piNGn2KR9uXtSw6idF8FJvj5AsoHyOvS3bBwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=J/8CiK+6OvtMYVuI3567LkiWo48wDcHU2sBHZiI5k2hrFSZJorac6t8hxFmDn4vLbvaD6CYQ7gTTMcbUTqqTV4WhFoTBC5rSUtUmgA1rZ2DFZP/C6jXESMHvjlBm/ZWBQN8c9JTbtf5bgtFQDkyGxTwB54tPr0sjLnlQi3nEmlE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <740ED0FF-08B3-4E7A-85AA-094220E07BAD@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: meredith monk profile Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:34:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Very nice recent profile on NPR of Meredith Monk with some commentary by LD'er Todd Reynolds: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89532664 Todd, that is great you got to rehearse with her. The Double Fiesta for Violin sounds lovely and it is important work to give her creative output new incarnations. I first saw her over 30 years ago. She was supposed to give a dance presentation but had injured her hip, so instead she gave a solo music performance and talk. She presented some of her Desert Songs. It was brilliant and super inspiring. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:36:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71D833BF50; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <78250C80-7FF8-4A4B-921F-36F83D248AD4@gmail.com> <002701c8b5d2$b620ed70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c8b5d8$545a0c10$fd0e2430$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci11BFrWVqyo9O6RVK3svNLgknyYwABBGsA Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for unintended consequences of bring up this topic - I'm having some relapses just from reading the thread ! -Qua >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Hayes >To: >Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight .com >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:53 AM >Subject: Re: sonic viral infection > > > > > 867 5309 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 15:40:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5653BF5B; Wed, 14 May 2008 15:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hmVorLH65SDrPSug98ZxoovMHUMWLTNBjusMyhfxoguGZQEl5L6tmittIzjtELFB9kM9uMSHtj00Bi3SCXT5yXnm9WIPcqlTsJ8fhcnsxLHhjYgoMQc/yBCXM55f9lnlQe6Ijn2w7irk6zYtUYdvbG+FumIbEiVXbxHO+81MuAI=; X-YMail-OSG: a7xtSxMVM1knSeMhdk77iphZiacvWNVO2xDswpA3SaaKS9OXXTkkZtDLZyIg3pqGeogLWYwddtxMZEgWHTfHZF1bqEsdhn5hRPdq3h89rmkLKpWk9WNcQjY_cw-- Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:40:55 -0700 (PDT) From: stevenguerrero Subject: Re: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1f178be30805140701t45ca7b54l818238aad01c6dd5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <394273.71210.qm@web34508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:40:58 +0000 (UTC) --- Rodney wrote: > Isn't this another form of looping? Repeating over > and > over inside our head where each person is their own > internal audience. :-) > > Rodney I think this can possibly lead to universal implosion.... anywho... My remedy to the macarena would be just about anything by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 16:08:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EADA3BF2C; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6988E634-BBE7-4166-ADE5-0FA7A87FB40D@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:08:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:08:19 +0000 (UTC) live looping and pre records are 2 different things. live looping by definition doesn't include pre-recorded material. That's the whole point. on pre-recorded material: a lot of big acts use re records to fatten their sound. when I worked with nine inch nails they had me sing 10 doubles of myself that got played back with the band. the drummer was playing to a click that sped up and slowed down. wild controlled chaos stuff... to great effect because Trent knows how to do it. personally, I don't judge how people make music, I judge the music itself. if the pre recorded material helps the performance be more amazing and appropriate to the music, then it's GREAT. Teddy On May 14, 2008, at 9:42 AM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see > somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, > as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre- > recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his > performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > -- PS. http://myspace.com/mistershifty new live recordings -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 16:29:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A9593BF2D; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4882C99F-0B06-46C5-BA94-961DD49B63FC@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:29:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:29:35 +0000 (UTC) I use percussion loops and other rhythmic stuff all the time. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Ever see a really good DJ in a club? Same thing. Thanks to technology, the lines between DJ and musician are so blurry these days that the audience rarely knows what's going on. Of course genre is everything. If I saw a blues band use them, I would probably leave the bar, but with electronic, dance or ambient music, it seems appropriate, if not necessary. On May 14, 2008, at 9:42 AM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see > somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, > as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre- > recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his > performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? 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    Get Free (PRODUCT) RED=99 Emoticons, Wi= nks and Display Pics. Check it out! = --_a86ef941-3c01-446c-8cc4-e9020f05bc8a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 16:47:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5FDB3BF28; Wed, 14 May 2008 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19fxol1tTyxRpuiRoH72np38OJhgWMTFr1a/40 sdji+qfxEG7cmSrwrdyAMUEfdg0OfR5I7YulpQtDbhaE3jvE6Z hnFOdM1jx0FPoyWsoaiVCosqDPIwDaF Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) good questions. as long as you make it interesting i don't care how you do it. when live looping i don't use pre rec material. few months ago someone started a funny marketplace atmo in a looping session unexpectedly. that was such a nice moment - it justified as valuable immediately. tilmann ps: i also work with ableton in a project that's 50/50 prerecorded loops. wouldn't call that live looping, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? > Hi folks > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody > performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, as long > as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded loops > (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 17:06:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60E6B3BF2D; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=creu7yzpsxXgEpjBTPJql+I+maV3zovJoptXas+XGy8=; b=nqSehZeIQzm6or+eGPFmaeq907wn9Wv4P53ueTcbK5SAIs8RROn8Rl62A15Wd18hiDS/W8KRcaZvjFUkP/26frslRza727BbJKJ1SXxCBrmbU9TlS1Z+jdTnM10j2+KUNsutNhBrj/QlMxGeZaJzUtEDviOQDonBhBxnaLSjPxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MLl9UibwG/xY9UA0BJkSM2zCpu/VxA79v2dfAKGm0Ml7tzGmNf47BiIC5/43JlQ8sXOcB0iMa4CF++1tQFaWzkvczx7oKh++j0ooFo8YnQZMT0idr/BxBHxp5X+Pdhl/A/nxLl2XRkb6vR9krpBCoK8FxfbRRiobDACWWv+JVWo= Message-ID: <37f071c00805141006m536f011eu36475e458465708c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:06:23 -0700 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-Reply-To: <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1023_4394038.1210784783149" References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:06:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1023_4394038.1210784783149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think the main difference is in the mind of the performer. If you're creating everything live in the moment, its a very different head space than trying to load the right loops and samples at the right time and keeping track of that aspect of the process. Ultimately its all about the music though, is it interesting? And even if you're watching someone sing to canned material, you're still watching a live performance, they're still up trying to keep something going in real time in front of an audience and that's always worth something I think. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_1023_4394038.1210784783149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think the main difference is in the mind of the performer.  If you're creating everything live in the moment, its a very different head space than trying to load the right loops and samples at the right time and keeping track of that aspect of the process.

    Ultimately its all about the music though, is it interesting?  And even if you're watching someone sing to canned material, you're still watching a live performance, they're still up trying to keep something going in real time in front of an audience and that's always worth something I think.

    Kevin



    --

    Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_1023_4394038.1210784783149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 17:14:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672B53BEB2; Wed, 14 May 2008 17:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=I8hDkdAABuAzJZCwF3bXhrOZjyd4hXMnGpC85eBfvAs=; b=IM4kpdOfqSR5QV2OKbtpSmhc10dQ3pktyj7nKXUU+/XYBSEvCXZu/7h4TZ9JXCeccTmrtWRH8A1WvFE3o2fYnV7Z3/nBUTSd3BbA/TyG5MQfMhHU07g6/P4NoZUFRttlZNa+1ko1dZ/GXxbMA22kSFcvnDxZndNG1RTqgBLoGtw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QsbwoVnpX6kCVQS5pQXhrqffr+swpsRcXOLCc5anXOLAQ1d1/Bmi6lj4lyxVOIava+VS7chNGjLQ9SCng47QzmEUVisz9jI7qarJP4kLFjty64kud1Ck5xqGlQUzrUb2UkMDitnjI/9t3jL8pzI8oslcsOCylBrKqjvpqwJlfRw= Message-ID: <55c7bc950805141014w57219859of168ef95b5f113@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:14:30 -0700 From: "paul bailey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3466_31771722.1210785270709" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:14:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3466_31771722.1210785270709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline subscribe ------=_Part_3466_31771722.1210785270709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline subscribe

    ------=_Part_3466_31771722.1210785270709-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 18:04:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 840603BED2; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TPJw8EbRnI4z6IV0/o7qj9K5+J27NBelIvzofe0OUl/ES6XWcPsh7P9PdHtpVgsvK6kA8MuQHfyiiRxgqMlYF53nES0fuaxC4+U2G4Iarn7LxtZcJp72E1uW5pZxMfGs5KYGae8W9XJZ2vf/+MSevUmpBnDUp+6FV6Hv0TNRnTY=; X-YMail-OSG: L5IYKMEVM1mzr4aoLC.iPDO7BpILeqIN.wK8NIcybSj3JvvRDDvhDmDSXtesJmHb5w-- Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: s using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080514160820.2E96F3BF3B@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-692748475-1210788258=:42986" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <9747.42986.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:04:19 +0000 (UTC) --0-692748475-1210788258=:42986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i'm not sure i want to go down this road, but... what about the DJ-artist? isn't the whole idea of what they do is take bits of prerecorded material (VINYL records for the purist-is there a purist in the DJ world?) and "do their thing"? i realize some take those bits and process them -hence all the effects stuff for djs out there. so i'm not really sure about the pre-recorded loops cheating thing. i'm sure there are many sides to the story... on the Buckethead dvd-the performance disc has him playing to prerecorded material, mostly the drum stuff, there might be bass in there too, hard to tell, but he still rocks and it's pretty interesting...to me it would seem hard to coordinate all that and play like he does, WITH THE BUCKET & mask on his head!!! there are a couple times he's adjusting something from some piece of gear, a Numark something. the only other thing i can think of is the Living Colour tune (cult of personality) using the samples of Kennedy, Malcolm X, FDR-it was more for "texture" and not part of the composition, and it wasn't really looped, just triggered... my pathetic 2 cents.... s--- --0-692748475-1210788258=:42986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i'm not sure i want to go down this road, but... what about the DJ-artist? isn't the whole idea of what they do is take bits of prerecorded material (VINYL records for the purist-is there a purist in the DJ world?) and "do their thing"?

    i realize some take those bits and process them -hence all the effects stuff for djs out there.

    so i'm not really sure about the pre-recorded loops cheating thing. i'm sure there are many sides to the story...

    on the Buckethead dvd-the performance disc has him playing to prerecorded material, mostly the drum stuff, there might be bass in there too, hard to tell, but he still rocks and it's pretty interesting...to me it would seem hard to coordinate all that and play like he does, WITH THE BUCKET & mask on his head!!! there are a couple times he's adjusting something from some piece of gear, a Numark something.

    the only other thing i can think of is the Living Colour tune (cult of personality) using the samples of Kennedy, Malcolm X, FDR-it was more for "texture" and not part of the composition, and it wasn't really looped, just triggered...
    my pathetic 2 cents....
    s---

    --0-692748475-1210788258=:42986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 18:20:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0698E3BF2D; Wed, 14 May 2008 18:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=E+OuEXxuw8qZhun1ayPjpduWGO6wdKUwJNQR3/zf+2M=; b=Qw/KpFx4NdojWkH9f4Eq7wxv+DqZqPBZGes3qs6bQ3XEd9fsO2A7BzCGFbCE5ym4VjYDp3EReUo77QDHbXzktv+8sF9Am7yJR6aqW3cFBu67oyLXMPsg3+SnKnzd/4F0OO4I7HfrFMeribDONcQ5x4Uavr80ZMpBJF+cTP1rl3w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=P4aH9sGYE2iAAFuZZ7siHdENdbLWe+lUELhsxrtddANRDLiesLyV2WsCN4bZw4zOpx1Ok060RF6QUii1CjjA9MklY5jrM83An/EWB4EGsC+gvnCkK2R3U5fwiD1R3NGtoEg56mxnyAAlLImUeKydOeTrMLIfPT3ciIiwqhUDTvU= Message-ID: <4759e5740805141120u1973d740p61d0108ff4df2e31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:20:23 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: meredith monk profile In-Reply-To: <740ED0FF-08B3-4E7A-85AA-094220E07BAD@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1547_19020940.1210789223306" References: <740ED0FF-08B3-4E7A-85AA-094220E07BAD@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:20:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1547_19020940.1210789223306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thank you so much, bob. Yes, she is a delight... we're working together on her new piece which will be in california in the fall...is already beautiful, and only to get more beautiful... she is a looper in fact... not in practicality or technology, for sure, but in spirit. all best to all, todd On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:34 AM, RP Collier wrote: > Very nice recent profile on NPR of Meredith Monk with some commentary by > LD'er Todd Reynolds: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89532664 > > Todd, that is great you got to rehearse with her. The Double Fiesta for > Violin sounds lovely and it is important work to give her creative output > new incarnations. > > I first saw her over 30 years ago. She was supposed to give a dance > presentation but had injured her hip, so instead she gave a solo music > performance and talk. She presented some of her Desert Songs. > It was brilliant and super inspiring. > > > regards > > BobC > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > > http://www.youtube.com/tynego > > -- The Return of Slow Boys at The Stone, May 10th! Two Solo Sets with Benefits, 8 and 10 PM, http://blog.toddreynolds.com has details Todd Reynolds and Michael Lowenstern. ------=_Part_1547_19020940.1210789223306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline thank you so much, bob.  Yes, she is a delight... we're working together on her new piece which will be in california in the fall...is already beautiful, and only to get more beautiful... she is a looper in fact... 


    not in practicality or technology, for sure, but in spirit.

    all best to all, 

    todd

      



    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:34 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:
    Very nice recent profile on NPR of Meredith Monk with some commentary by LD'er Todd Reynolds:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89532664

    Todd, that is great you got to rehearse with her. The Double Fiesta for Violin sounds lovely and it is important work to give her creative output new incarnations.

    I first saw her over 30 years ago. She was supposed to give a dance presentation but had injured her hip, so instead she gave a solo music performance and talk. She presented some of her Desert Songs.
    It was brilliant and super inspiring.


    regards

    BobC




    http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j

    http://www.youtube.com/tynego




    --
    The Return of Slow Boys at The Stone, May 10th! Two Solo Sets with Benefits, 8 and 10 PM,

    http://blog.toddreynolds.com has details


    Todd Reynolds and Michael Lowenstern.
    ------=_Part_1547_19020940.1210789223306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2516A3BF04; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZOE38jPV3P0eEv4C8Xgqb/uCj3fOFF7Pn3DfZC6UAww=; b=LvugrwCi5ByhX4vI+asQJy4V/MBLZI3TKdexvuNxYEjvXou4RIR9tqmw6Tg2v86oCysvuHulcZtkKKiYDFbC2PW5AZYFyJIDVnDJadT4/1SpR0iAQG8X+LwqVRfs4wYXMU+WydlpXFesiB1ABqWgLWMMSFieY3/a4peMvW+Vh2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F/rPIKqURGleSUMiMhx9adLpID/V2PIgAnjz5CQhSOel6hbokV1SuN9rq4VqkUphfg6mE8W5kv+ImkoB5dwBjXwkO/T1r0vE0hu8wXSz96B6nmpSeSLcE6tj+X+hbJ9TWht1KBAibfuZb1WVDHAddH702PkXtPk6jUInXUNSPK4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:24:08 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: sonic viral infection In-Reply-To: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Ear worms ... and Barry Manilow ("Her name was Lola, she danced ...") is among the worst. ~~ Dennis On 5/14/08, Qua Veda wrote: > > > > > I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the > "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the > viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my > stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it > out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked > for you? > > > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:31:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57D2E3BF23; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <70f68b660805141231k2024308cm6bdcb2cca14ef103@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:31:40 -0600 From: "holotone@gmail.com" Sender: cole@holotone.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: sonic viral infection In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1554_15778398.1210793501023" References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 55243097b4890958 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:31:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1554_15778398.1210793501023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also being discussed over yonder: http://grupthink.com/topic/796/Ear_Worms ~holotone http://holotone.net/ On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Ear worms ... and Barry Manilow ("Her name was Lola, she danced ...") > is among the worst. > > ~~ Dennis > ------=_Part_1554_15778398.1210793501023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also being discussed over yonder:

    http://grupthink.com/topic/796/Ear_Worms


    ~holotone
    http://holotone.net/

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
    Ear worms ... and Barry Manilow ("Her name was Lola, she danced ...")
    is among the worst.

    ~~ Dennis
    ------=_Part_1554_15778398.1210793501023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:37:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C69353BF47; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sUretUxLJgf4a4AeMu6ZKmjm/XZ5x1xZFE9q/71dcu4=; b=OmkGvrNn18rUXZIQiDuWWacBY+xtmY2o4TNY1/qwXVt3UACwIrEFcxLzA/lDLYuZQiqNdIkRBikOLA9RBTXuCvHkDVBWrEWwLQVJMNtbAJPElBogi2iC1F9yV2CgbUyyNDMhlfWxPzZEAihQvNKySQF0na2fOmt4qRYkmE9MJYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VzCclXZUDe+JsWgHEogDLU1C81dj3Y7reqs0noGzSw/oPVlBN90LCquq/EBzVD72wJMISUjrj9ldjWKnPuq/HFmd3Ls/U1EsX0t4Jz9KVTA6Wylo+dCMLHqhzE3GE1NxGmznG1JLBEyq27jFSxEJDzokx1/n3h6PaCFHzm6miv4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:36:59 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sonic viral infection In-Reply-To: <394273.71210.qm@web34508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1593_10319857.1210793819889" References: <1f178be30805140701t45ca7b54l818238aad01c6dd5@mail.gmail.com> <394273.71210.qm@web34508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:37:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1593_10319857.1210793819889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >My remedy to the macarena would be just about anything by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. I think SGM would clean (or scare) just about anything out of your ears. Tony On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, stevenguerrero wrote: > --- Rodney wrote: > > > Isn't this another form of looping? Repeating over > > and > > over inside our head where each person is their own > > internal audience. :-) > > > > Rodney > > > I think this can possibly lead to universal > implosion.... > > anywho... > > My remedy to the macarena would be just about anything > by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua > www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > > > ------=_Part_1593_10319857.1210793819889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >My remedy to the macarena would be just about anything by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.


    I think SGM would clean (or scare) just about anything out of your ears. 

    Tony

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, stevenguerrero <mesquamacus@yahoo.com> wrote:
    --- Rodney <rferryman@gmail.com> wrote:

    > Isn't this another form of looping?  Repeating over
    > and
    > over inside our head where each person is their own
    > internal audience.  :-)
    >
    >             Rodney


    I think this can possibly lead to universal
    implosion....

    anywho...

    My remedy to the macarena would be just about anything
    by Sleepytime Gorilla Museum.



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    ------=_Part_1593_10319857.1210793819889-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85FDD3BF51; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT: sonic viral infection Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aci1+BbaZGsh4SE2RTynTkVZ3clYagAAsioQ Message-Id: <20080514194643.15C403BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:46:43 +0000 (UTC) I recommend Captain Beefheart, all recordings up to and including Clear Spot. Of course, a prescription is required; see your doctor. dave From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com] Ear worms ... and Barry Manilow ("Her name was Lola, she danced ...") is among the worst. > > > > > I recently attended an event where I was exposed to several verses of the > "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I had been infected and the > viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept playing in my mind and my > stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of David Torn knocked it > out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment worked > for you? > > > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 19:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63A73BF5B; Wed, 14 May 2008 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8Cmucb3UMCwA:10 a=nC38TEo5RAcA:10 a=VVlED5B4AAAA:8 a=K8MWRwZeLZpBkT6--T4A:9 a=pbUb9Ai_XJRGw2oDX8gA:7 a=stc5B5QV0RHLsfR7PFcSlhT-4FsA:4 a=wCaoJTriV0sA:10 In-Reply-To: <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CB8C1E3-0E4A-4675-BDF4-EF4B874C4C4C@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:50:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) yes, interesting and controversial topic! i used to think pre-recorded music of any flavor was taboo and "cheating". but when i was touring with imogen heap, she used pre- recorded bits in some of her songs, and it didn't detract from her performance or bother me. why? because as with everything, i realized there are distinctions to be made. what i care most about is this thing called 'authenticity'. some observations.... - if using pre-recorded material to 'lie' to the audience, to confuse them, or maybe hide the fact that you can't execute your own material well, that is morally and artistically questionable. - if using pre-recorded material to make your performance more 'perfect' that often backfires. ...i've noticed that some performers have a fixation with 'perfection' and sometime use pre-recorded material to lessen the chance of things going wrong onstage. i've seen audiences get bored with them. in my experience, audiences love what i call 'well-executed mistakes' - if using pre-recorded material openly to add a different dimension to you music that is fine - to 'perform' that pre-recorded material, that is best. take skilled performers, like imogen, who 'play' their pre-recorded material. i.e. "i am now about to hit this button in an exaggerated way and you will hear a sound" - obviously triggering it so the audience can tell they are 'playing' a sample. - if using pre-recorded material, use it sparingly and don't use it on every song. have a few songs where it is just you and the audience. what i do is technically very difficult and can fall-apart at any moment if i let my attention flag. also, it can feel limiting to have to play every single note that i want to loop (it takes time onstage, which is challenging with a 30-second-attention-span-teen-audience). and, i think that some of my audience has no idea what i'm doing anyway. a few people have said after a concert "that was so great...where those backing tracks you as well?". so, inspired by immi, i tried pre-recording bits here and there, and then triggering them at key moments. i tried it out on a few hopefully unsuspecting audiences....and....i didn't like it!!! i didn't like how it could make each performance of a song almost identical. as nerve-wracking as it is, i decided that the feeling of 'being on a razors edge' was an important part of the music for me and i shouldn't mess with it. i'd never thought about it specifically, but i think the feeling that it could all totally collapse, is part of my inspiration. and having to do different versions of a song, every night, based on how i played (or didn't play!) a loop, that is an element of my performance i also hadn't appreciated before. pre-recording stuff took something vital away from me. so, i decided it matters to ME that i play absolutely every little sound live. > >> Hi folks >> >> here is a topic I find quite controversial: >> When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see >> somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? >> >> I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, >> as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. >> >> I just wanted to hear your opinions: >> Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre- >> recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his >> performance? >> Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) >> >> Best regards >> Buzap >> >> -- >> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten >> Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 20:42:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6AA93BF56; Wed, 14 May 2008 20:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_062751ed-89e5-4ac0-9f36-5c8e7b9abc30_" X-Originating-IP: [69.179.170.252] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:42:19 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5CB8C1E3-0E4A-4675-BDF4-EF4B874C4C4C@zoekeating.com> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> <5CB8C1E3-0E4A-4675-BDF4-EF4B874C4C4C@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2008 20:42:20.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[01608900:01C8B603] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:42:21 +0000 (UTC) --_062751ed-89e5-4ac0-9f36-5c8e7b9abc30_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what she said....ha...well put> From: info@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Is = using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating?> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:50:35 -0700> = To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > yes, interesting and controversi= al topic!> > i used to think pre-recorded music of any flavor was taboo and= > "cheating". but when i was touring with imogen heap, she used pre- > rec= orded bits in some of her songs, and it didn't detract from her > performan= ce or bother me.> > why? because as with everything, i realized there are d= istinctions to > be made.> > what i care most about is this thing called 'a= uthenticity'. some > observations....> > - if using pre-recorded material t= o 'lie' to the audience, to confuse > them, or maybe hide the fact that you= can't execute your own material > well, that is morally and artistically q= uestionable.> > - if using pre-recorded material to make your performance m= ore > 'perfect' that often backfires. ...i've noticed that some performers = > have a fixation with 'perfection' and sometime use pre-recorded > materia= l to lessen the chance of things going wrong onstage. i've > seen audiences= get bored with them. in my experience, audiences love > what i call 'well-= executed mistakes'> > - if using pre-recorded material openly to add a diff= erent dimension > to you music that is fine> > - to 'perform' that pre-reco= rded material, that is best. take > skilled performers, like imogen, who 'p= lay' their pre-recorded > material. i.e. "i am now about to hit this button= in an exaggerated > way and you will hear a sound" - obviously triggering = it so the > audience can tell they are 'playing' a sample.> > - if using pr= e-recorded material, use it sparingly and don't use it > on every song. hav= e a few songs where it is just you and the audience.> > > what i do is tech= nically very difficult and can fall-apart at any > moment if i let my atten= tion flag. also, it can feel limiting to have > to play every single note t= hat i want to loop (it takes time onstage, > which is challenging with a 30= -second-attention-span-teen-audience). > and, i think that some of my audie= nce has no idea what i'm doing > anyway. a few people have said after a con= cert "that was so > great...where those backing tracks you as well?".> > so= , inspired by immi, i tried pre-recording bits here and there, and > then t= riggering them at key moments. i tried it out on a few > hopefully unsuspec= ting audiences....and....i didn't like it!!! i > didn't like how it could m= ake each performance of a song almost > identical. as nerve-wracking as it = is, i decided that the feeling of > 'being on a razors edge' was an importa= nt part of the music for me > and i shouldn't mess with it. i'd never thoug= ht about it > specifically, but i think the feeling that it could all total= ly > collapse, is part of my inspiration. and having to do different > vers= ions of a song, every night, based on how i played (or didn't > play!) a lo= op, that is an element of my performance i also hadn't > appreciated before= . pre-recording stuff took something vital away > from me. so, i decided it= matters to ME that i play absolutely every > little sound live.> > > >> >>= Hi folks> >>> >> here is a topic I find quite controversial:> >> When doin= g live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see > >> somebody perf= orming with some pre-recorded loops?> >>> >> I was quite dogmatic on this t= opic but now I don't mind that much, > >> as long as it serves an artistica= lly credible music performance.> >>> >> I just wanted to hear your opinions= :> >> Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre- > >> rec= orded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his > >> performance?>= >> Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-)> >>> >> Best re= gards> >> Buzap> >>> >> -- > >> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die= neuesten> >> Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browse= r> >>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get Free (PRODUCT) RED=99 Emoticons, Winks and Display Pics. http://joinred.spaces.live.com?ocid=3DTXT_HMTG_prodredemoticons_052008= --_062751ed-89e5-4ac0-9f36-5c8e7b9abc30_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what she said....ha...well put

    > From: info@zoekeating.com
    >= ; Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating?
    > Date: Wed, 14 = May 2008 12:50:35 -0700
    > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    = >
    > yes, interesting and controversial topic!
    >
    > i = used to think pre-recorded music of any flavor was taboo and
    > "chea= ting". but when i was touring with imogen heap, she used pre-
    > reco= rded bits in some of her songs, and it didn't detract from her
    > per= formance or bother me.
    >
    > why? because as with everything, i = realized there are distinctions to
    > be made.
    >
    > what = i care most about is this thing called 'authenticity'. some
    > observ= ations....
    >
    > - if using pre-recorded material to 'lie' to th= e audience, to confuse
    > them, or maybe hide the fact that you can't= execute your own material
    > well, that is morally and artistically = questionable.
    >
    > - if using pre-recorded material to make you= r performance more
    > 'perfect' that often backfires. ...i've noticed= that some performers
    > have a fixation with 'perfection' and someti= me use pre-recorded
    > material to lessen the chance of things going = wrong onstage. i've
    > seen audiences get bored with them. in my expe= rience, audiences love
    > what i call 'well-executed mistakes'
    >= ;
    > - if using pre-recorded material openly to add a different dimen= sion
    > to you music that is fine
    >
    > - to 'perform' tha= t pre-recorded material, that is best. take
    > skilled performers, li= ke imogen, who 'play' their pre-recorded
    > material. i.e. "i am now = about to hit this button in an exaggerated
    > way and you will hear a= sound" - obviously triggering it so the
    > audience can tell they ar= e 'playing' a sample.
    >
    > - if using pre-recorded material, us= e it sparingly and don't use it
    > on every song. have a few songs wh= ere it is just you and the audience.
    >
    >
    > what i do is= technically very difficult and can fall-apart at any
    > moment if i = let my attention flag. also, it can feel limiting to have
    > to play = every single note that i want to loop (it takes time onstage,
    > whic= h is challenging with a 30-second-attention-span-teen-audience).
    > a= nd, i think that some of my audience has no idea what i'm doing
    > an= yway. a few people have said after a concert "that was so
    > great...= where those backing tracks you as well?".
    >
    > so, inspired by = immi, i tried pre-recording bits here and there, and
    > then triggeri= ng them at key moments. i tried it out on a few
    > hopefully unsuspec= ting audiences....and....i didn't like it!!! i
    > didn't like how it = could make each performance of a song almost
    > identical. as nerve-w= racking as it is, i decided that the feeling of
    > 'being on a razors= edge' was an important part of the music for me
    > and i shouldn't m= ess with it. i'd never thought about it
    > specifically, but i think = the feeling that it could all totally
    > collapse, is part of my insp= iration. and having to do different
    > versions of a song, every nigh= t, based on how i played (or didn't
    > play!) a loop, that is an elem= ent of my performance i also hadn't
    > appreciated before. pre-record= ing stuff took something vital away
    > from me. so, i decided it matt= ers to ME that i play absolutely every
    > little sound live.
    > =
    >
    > >
    > >> Hi folks
    > >>
    > &= gt;> here is a topic I find quite controversial:
    > >> When d= oing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see
    > >&g= t; somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops?
    > >>
    &g= t; >> I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that mu= ch,
    > >> as long as it serves an artistically credible music p= erformance.
    > >>
    > >> I just wanted to hear your op= inions:
    > >> Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using= some pre-
    > >> recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic..= .) during his
    > >> performance?
    > >> Or do you thi= nk he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-)
    > >>
    > >>= ; Best regards
    > >> Buzap
    > >>
    > >> -- =
    > >> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten
    &= gt; >> Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser=
    > >
    >

    Get Free (PRODUCT) RED=99 Emoticons,= Winks and Display Pics. Check it out! = --_062751ed-89e5-4ac0-9f36-5c8e7b9abc30_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 21:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0FC93BEB2; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:21:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080514212101.239480@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19gEeAFgPxg2ahydyYXYo9vDGiXsI0Q9PmHPoDkeE rs3ln9lg+fjJaXxJxanzPaWT4/9kVlT07wfQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 3D5ee7hoODB6V8N6iGVMmUU9Ji9SWpKH Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi David thanks for this really innovative hint. http://www.rdlnet.com/ I took a look at them, interesting, indeed. At the moment, I'm not settled in on a fixed setup. So, it's more about flexibility (bigger knobs ;-) right now. Not really cheap though. But for a specific pupose they may really come handy. Thanks Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 21:44:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261563BEF9; Wed, 14 May 2008 21:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:44:52 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX186xOs9Q9Q6GIaUAREvoZncTWFf5nSbHB5mZvzQuZ cLsEXd8KINbs3fgJNkpjnzjwEWmY7iCgHKvA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: YmgZcLluPjl+DZwvzTQ2TiM7MTE2NQnl Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Glad to read all the responses, a lot of people seem to have thoughts on this. I think I'm more relaxed to use pre-recorded material now because I'm confident I can create a whole song just by myself on the fly. So I don't _have_ to prove this to myself anymore. So, whatever serves the music is good, I guess. Authenticity seems to be important. You should feel you're doing the right thing, and transport that to the audience. Then, I've read this story about a beatboxer who received disastrous feedback from an audience. Somebody came up to him and said "That was lame. What's so special about doodling on some background tracks?" - They had no clue he was doing it all by himself! So, not loosing your audience is also important, I guess. :)) Thanks for your comments. Buzap -- 249 Spiele fr nur 1 Preis. Die GMX Spieleflatrate schon ab 9,90 Euro. Neu: Asterix bei den Olympischen Spielen: http://flat.games.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 22:35:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83CA3BEF5; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9rn0zsIEQfGKiBEOeqXK7asMJGIxHxTa+aVQuuKkkFk=; b=CsPt8t1BAiBbtCv4fykkt9KjyDVmDWzPO2h/QrQyyqp4vR7Uy5bdXM0/XLBcs1vUBIqDJAvtR9NJjad+ejskPTg5+bXusbC+bY1cPn81wXaMNNumKmeObNdX7tAfCUT2r/Z4xqelpPz02gt8FQ+4JO1mPEAE6INikNB8pLFRl78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=APcdhcQlcxzVN2Nc9dWsN6qY2XBGNDyuqhIcsduhZgVq+kOHdDbM4wOKtVgwUZWfiiSuobWIGkhhT2sQPz+ytTpqKPFvQiunk95z4mt39P6eEqjyXX3D/Yp1o+dykuDcC3DDQKl3kYm1d74p20+CmNuz5PfeUcM5FSe/xT1gLrE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 15:35:16 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-Reply-To: <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2629_25375317.1210804516715" References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:35:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2629_25375317.1210804516715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of this is sort of like worrying about having or giving the "wrong" sort of orgasm. TH On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > So, whatever serves the music is good, I guess. > Authenticity seems to be important. You should feel you're doing the right > thing, and transport that to the audience. > > > ------=_Part_2629_25375317.1210804516715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of this is sort of like worrying about having or giving the "wrong" sort of orgasm.

    TH

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:


    So, whatever serves the music is good, I guess.
    Authenticity seems to be important. You should feel you're doing the right thing, and transport that to the audience.



    ------=_Part_2629_25375317.1210804516715-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 22:51:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461183BEF3; Wed, 14 May 2008 22:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-570065893 Message-Id: <442E5AFF-8800-4834-B1C2-D4C2BD85B16A@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:51:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:51:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-570065893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Whadda ya mean "Giving"? On May 14, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > All of this is sort of like worrying about having or giving the > "wrong" sort of orgasm. > > TH > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > So, whatever serves the music is good, I guess. > Authenticity seems to be important. You should feel you're doing > the right thing, and transport that to the audience. > > > --Apple-Mail-2-570065893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Whadda ya mean "Giving"?
    On May 14, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

    All of this is sort of like worrying about having or giving the "wrong" sort of orgasm.

    TH

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:


    So, whatever serves the music is good, I guess.
    Authenticity seems to be important. You should feel you're doing the right thing, and transport that to the audience.




    --Apple-Mail-2-570065893-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 23:01:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37AB3BF06; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482B6FCF.6000000@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:03:43 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Robot conducts symphony References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:01:26 +0000 (UTC) samba - wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_en_mu/robot_conductor1st_ld_writethru Heh. My brother plays trumpet with the Detroit Symphony--that's him in the upper right corner. I imagine his take on this is going to be one of the following: (1) "His technique is a bit mechanical, but, still, he's better than ninety percent of the guest conductors we get." or (2) "Just leave the money on the nightstand, sailor." Either way, I'm planning on busting his chops about this for a long time. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 14 23:12:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B6B3BF06; Wed, 14 May 2008 23:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=w7bQOy73vFKYMa6YhvbGoGa5EPV1558FsQ9B4/a8FsI=; b=xdMSEwdCu966OBbrCPTOtbNzKSLxVCT4EHWOYlSBlxZKYcmYG3dIjjvrzSAR714/Y7WJ5+e5DtHgH3kVbcQaz3DNtWNyn8wtQFeIwYF9RlqBOWx7IL5GvgkjA35hgeQpcJuFZwfgxJBNzoW23c5+/86bJpWynHkD73eAqKrD8W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ASMcNbAGamU295Xl0xN0XWPWxnu2aZHCBiuyqog09KJ2eIloB9rJVkg3mfR/svEa/N+3JUoSZAezqb/PG+eKOxVpBvbdHhMGy6MopEI8FOs8PXN/HGfpg4WZ7xVOU763efPXXgGEVxSZPwoltEw5df+gtGgEDFoX0gYXkUbFKL4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:12:54 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-Reply-To: <442E5AFF-8800-4834-B1C2-D4C2BD85B16A@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2684_3070021.1210806774458" References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> <442E5AFF-8800-4834-B1C2-D4C2BD85B16A@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:12:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2684_3070021.1210806774458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, as I suspected... On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Whadda ya mean "Giving"? > > > ------=_Part_2684_3070021.1210806774458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, as I suspected...

    On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
    Whadda ya mean "Giving"?



    ------=_Part_2684_3070021.1210806774458-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 03:15:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21943BE8D; Thu, 15 May 2008 03:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <810d659210b2e6a0ef6dce8d5d1392dd@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:15:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <8lmHv.A.CRG.cr6KIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Of course there are some musicians that would consider even "live=20 looping" as a from of musical "cheating" of some sort. Too often in music, one group or style of musician often wants to=20 present itself in an "elite" context (relative to others). The frequent habit is to "dis" somebody else instead of simply,=20 single-mindedly, pursuing ones own ideal of "excellence" with a modicum=20= of tacit humility and an open mind towards others who offer different=20 styles or points of view. It all depends. Like a lot of people, I have no particular admiration for the activity=20= of karaoke. But I suppose that there are practitioners thereof who would qualify as=20= some having some sort of "artistic merit." I've never heard them, but it could happen. Anyhoo . . . Such questions often stem from a desire to qualify, quantify,=20 categorize, marginalize and denigrate the artistic value of ones=20 perceived competitive "rivals." As if to say, this music or that musician is less than something or=20 somebody else because they do "X" and (of course) we don't. Some of it is silly . . . some of it is shamefully arrogant. Stupid primate "status seeking" . . . I guess it's in our DNA to=20 constantly "compensate" socially. We're all guilty of it from time to time. "Cheating" in this regard is in the eye of the beholder, and therefore=20= says as much (if not more) about the accuser as the accused. About the only clear cut "cheating" that we would all probably agree=20 upon is "lip synching" I suppose (think Milli Vanilli). All sort of accepted and/or popular musicians have used canned material=20= - some more cleverly than others (oops there I go again). Les Paul (an early practitioner of geetar looping if ever there was=20 one) actually used "canned" tracks upon occasion when on live TV. Pink floyd's frequent use of "musique concret" loops in many songs is=20 well documented. I saw David Torn at Luna Park in L.A. in the mid '90s and he had some=20 sort of sampler (Akai I believe) to play drum track loops synched to=20 his Lexicon delays for his otherwise solo show. Various members of this list, famous or not, including myself have used=20= "canned" loops of various kinds at different points in time. I've found that it can be fun and useful to make loops in my DAW on the=20= computer that sound rather unique and like no instrument on this planet=20= - then port them over to a little phrase sampler to be played at the=20 press of a button. The same goes for spurious audio clips from radio or TV, plus=20 environmental or mechanical sounds I can record around the house - even=20= the cheesy rhythm track from a wheezy old chord organ. Who the fraak cares if I'm not actually triggering them with my MIDI=20 guitar instead of a button on a box? I also like to record simple percussion loops played on kitchen=20 utensils or garage/shop tools. Each one on it's own would not sound like much. Envision one loop functioning like a bass drum. Another like a snare. Another like a clave or hi-hat. Another toms. Individually they are nothing - too little information to be involving=20= or interesting alone. But even if they all have numerically relative BPM values they can=20 sound totally different if I trigger them at different times (other=20 than on the "one") relative to one another. Hey, I have an electrified biramau, a Seymourized kalimba, a mini conga=20= and a diggeridoo too - they all could be fair game for this and I don't=20= have to tote them to a show. I have also sample snaches of orchestral "chords" and "swells" from=20 classical CDs which I've edited to use and play as canned "pads" or=20 atmospheric loops. Is it "cheating" if I don't bring an orchestral string section to a gig=20= to play on only one 6 minute piece? The main advantage I see for (using) canned loops is the ability they=20 give to get to a musically developed point in composition (when playing=20= live) earlier and/or quicker than when you actually have to play and=20 trigger every sound in every loop one at a time in real time. In festivals with short (30 minute) set lengths it can take forever=20 (and be rather tedius for an audience) to develop a piece all in real=20 time (over whatever period of time) if you don't happen to have the "Mr=20= showbiz" gene - or the panache of some musicians who can make every=20 single little gesture and element a visual spectacle. I for one don't have such gifts. Frankly, I am as boring to watch as mold growth in the average=20 refrigerator. I may have all the patience in the world to develop an idea one note or=20= beat at a time in real time myself . . . but I find most audiences do=20 not. They wanna get to the "good stuff." Having a set of personally-developed "canned" loops like these can also=20= help in creating some some "fall back" pieces in an otherwise=20 improvised set when the improvisatory "muse" isn't cooperating (or has=20= decided to give the gig a miss altogether). Hey, sometimes the "muse" get's the flu too. The chief drawback (for me) is not having enough "hands off" ways to=20 ensure these canned loops don't stay static. I used to have a little Akai sampler that would allow the loops to=20 decay over time just like a digital delay. Parts would appear at the press of a button, loop several times and=20 slowly, slowly, slowly fade away. All I had to do was hit the button again (at precisely the right time)=20= for them to reassert themselves in the mix - kind of a neat and easy=20 musical function if you ask me. So far, sadly, the Roland/Boss samplers I now own and have experience=20 with do not have this ability. It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and going=20= (like the Energizer Bunny). There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really=20 cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert=20 Fripp, or whomever). It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing trancelike appeal. But more and more I am trying to make the loops change and evolve (as=20 well as what I play over them). Okeedokee, I'm tired of listening to myself type. Somebody else's turn. Tag you're "it." Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 03:22:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A163BE8A; Thu, 15 May 2008 03:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [69.179.170.252] From: J Johans To: Subject: nano-drum machine ..? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:22:40 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080514212101.239480@gmx.net> References: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> <20080514212101.239480@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2008 03:22:40.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEB707B0:01C8B63A] Resent-Message-ID: <_qeggB.A.xdG.Cy6KIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:22:42 +0000 (UTC) looking for the smallest possible device that allows the user to set and ad= just tempo and then outputs it via MIDI as well as an audio lvl click .... ...super bonus feature would allow me to select beats per measure as well i.e. the alesis SR-16 is what i have and is the smallest i can find...any s= uggestions? i also have a motu av timepiece for midi management...and i thought it woul= d let me set the tempo that all my gear is syncd to as well...but from what= i understand....it doesnt allow you to do this...it simply syncs everythin= g to an incomming tempo....am i wrong? thx=20 fro ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:21:01 +0200 > From: buzap@gmx.net > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Hi David >=20 > thanks for this really innovative hint. > http://www.rdlnet.com/ > I took a look at them, interesting, indeed. At the moment, I'm not settle= d in on a fixed setup. So, it's more about flexibility (bigger knobs ;-) ri= ght now. > Not really cheap though. But for a specific pupose they may really come h= andy.=20 >=20 > Thanks > Buzap >=20 > --=20 > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen!=20 > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refre= sh_skydrive_052008= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 03:43:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F66D3BE8D; Thu, 15 May 2008 03:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:40:43 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Poetic Vision Friday 05.16 # Outpost 186, Cambridge MA To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 03:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, On Friday , I'll be performing at Outpost 186 in Cambridge as part of "Poetic Vision" : an audio-visual collective trance featuring: Emile Tobenfeld - visual poetry John Mulrooney - audio poetry Todd Brunel reeds Dennis Shafer sax possibly others. Dennis will be playing some Berio pieces, doing video to that will be a new thing for me. Last month's show was really fun. The show will start around 9 and the suggested donation is $7. OUTPOST 186 : 186 1/2 hampshire st. cambridge ma 02139 updated concert & events : www.zeitgeist-outpost.org/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 04:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FCEF3BE93; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:25:04 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: OT: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <482BBB20.60307@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 04:25:17 +0000 (UTC) i let the virus play until it mutates and falls in line with my personal musical tastes in rhythm and phrasing. sometimes i get inspired to write a song and call it my own. i often don't even remember what the original marauding melody was. it gets ripped apart, reassembled, and renamed. on autoshift in the middle of the cereal aisle. shayne > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment > worked for you? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 04:32:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C403BE8F; Thu, 15 May 2008 04:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:32:06 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <482BBCC6.2040100@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 04:32:09 +0000 (UTC) > 867 5309 ahhh ha ha ha! i think that was one them, cuz i can sing that over one of my songs... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 05:24:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C5F13BE92; Thu, 15 May 2008 05:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:24:28 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:nano-drum machine ..? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 05:24:30 +0000 (UTC) > looking for the smallest possible device that allows the user to set an= d adjust tempo and then outputs it via MIDI as well as an audio lvl click= .... > ...super bonus feature would allow me to select beats per measure as we= ll Take a look at the Polytec 34oneII midi tap tempo pedal, http://www.ployt= ec.com/34oneII/ Sjaak =0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 07:31:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D373BE93; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 403 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 15 May 2008 07:31:43 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 605966.76954.bm@omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=NKWPx0Fb96aTe5ykR2so3DYNM0brk7RKKcNqVt44h5Pee+kDbSWkuaAhFz4CoBsaFXBfMocBbGgbE5us3nzK27W6cdJ6UfnGw1A/icDgBP//o891z1+3xIcobt9JC3HE2/von0/NRxX3Q41E5I6uA0Fr00j7UBAVpNwWiGaRQiE= ; X-YMail-OSG: AGY6HrcVM1kRHMUecAv6FBE1C.ooa9KXz_qiq3Rsjs7E3mzNag8G8peibF9uVsVNUObUqExxfSgPEDCHggg3zg_7hJ2UXb6Anc9xcWSiaeKLeUmdGW.IrorZA2Kc6.RXvbxLi1Q7tGeCCL3rIxbNWTPp X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003701c8b65c$c8b0de20$1692a8c0@brutele.localhost> From: "Ben" To: References: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> <20080514212101.239480@gmx.net> Subject: Re: nano-drum machine ..? Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:24:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:31:43 +0000 (UTC) yamaha qy-10? ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Johans" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: nano-drum machine ..? looking for the smallest possible device that allows the user to set and adjust tempo and then outputs it via MIDI as well as an audio lvl click .... ....super bonus feature would allow me to select beats per measure as well i.e. the alesis SR-16 is what i have and is the smallest i can find...any suggestions? i also have a motu av timepiece for midi management...and i thought it would let me set the tempo that all my gear is syncd to as well...but from what i understand....it doesnt allow you to do this...it simply syncs everything to an incomming tempo....am i wrong? thx fro ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:21:01 +0200 > From: buzap@gmx.net > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Hi David > > thanks for this really innovative hint. > http://www.rdlnet.com/ > I took a look at them, interesting, indeed. At the moment, I'm not settled > in on a fixed setup. So, it's more about flexibility (bigger knobs ;-) > right now. > Not really cheap though. But for a specific pupose they may really come > handy. > > Thanks > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 868D43BE8A; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:37:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <482C1283.2040807@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: <0CbTwB.A.Zw.rJBLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:37:31 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh Today, Afterglow will enjoy an extra two hours from 10 am to noon. On top of that, Greg Jones of local band Pinnacle will join me, sharing his personal Progressive Rock music library. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cycles 4" by Stephen Philips on Dark Duck Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may Become a friend of Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT/GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 10:45:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4F933BE93; Thu, 15 May 2008 10:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 06:45:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: CORRECTION To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <482C1465.8040701@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of rogressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh Tomorrow, Afterglow will enjoy an extra three hours from 2 pm to 5 pm. Tune in for great Progressive Rock in the afternoon. Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B55C3BE92; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:19:34 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080515111934.122020@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080514140239.263850@gmx.net> <20080514212101.239480@gmx.net> Subject: Re: nano-drum machine ..? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lBZ14XY0l4TvZTS9XEov9mOrEuq3DGS4VMTu/xk cFuwrmXlz8iK0j+4+Id/JLiHn91fCPQRTdxg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: dGYZIMFFZDIrBccogWc2UNp5emhmY4Fj Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:19:37 +0000 (UTC) The smallest things I now are the sweet little MFB machines: If you like 80ies analogue drum sounds, check this out: http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Musikelektronik/MFB-503/MFB-503e/mfb-503e.html Here is a step sequencer: http://www.mfberlin.de/Produkte/Musikelektronik/MFB-STEP64/MFB-STEP64_e/mfb-step64_e.html Don't be fooled by the minimalistic design. I was impressed for example that the MFB-503 even had advanced features like uneven rhythms hidden under the hood. However, I believe the MFB-503 only plays back audio and has MIDI IN only - the Step64 is only MIDI in/out. Rgds Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7233BE93; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482C1F28.2080402@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:31:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:32:02 +0000 (UTC) buzap@gmx.net schrieb: > here is a topic I find quite controversial: When doing live looping, > do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody performing with > some pre-recorded loops? No, why?.... I love cheating. Musicians are a sort of magicians anyway. Everybody knows magicians are cheating in a virtuoso way... I think its more about taking a risk. If you need the prerecorded loops to do your magic, well you need them. If you do it because you want to avoid a risk, the audience will recognize and its just boring, but not because of the "cheating" because of the lack of a risk... info at zoekeating schrieb: > i've noticed that some performers have a fixation with 'perfection' > and sometime use pre-recorded material to lessen the chance of things > going wrong onstage. i've seen audiences get bored with them. in my > experience, audiences love what i call 'well-executed mistakes' I don't think its the mistakes, but they happen and the way you deal with imperfection is the part where real perfection can slip in, its like the link to the higher level of music which is between the notes. A secured performance can never be perfect, there is no space between the notes... Berlioz knew it already, the music is between the notes... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 11:37:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C21B3BEA0; Thu, 15 May 2008 11:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482C2058.9050709@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:36:56 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: sonic viral infection References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> In-Reply-To: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda schrieb: > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment > worked for you? Choose another virus which you like better, then sing it all day long till you fall asleep. Keep a little collection of those to have varity. Torn isn't bad for that... Don't forget to include some bird songs... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 13:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1B143BE8A; Thu, 15 May 2008 13:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:49:08 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Message-ID: <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/SCK1RQ57SGLhycDMEJnwh8mEsA6cDUHac/KeXyr F/Q26nJ6BSw2XBmR7To6uCq2goiYGJSkMoFQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: bAgffKIdf2IsZf5yl21o1J54dWxlcxZv Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:49:10 +0000 (UTC) I would say: Admit that you DO like that song!! Accept it! ;-)) Really: if something has the capacity to make it into the depths of your brain and emotional circuitry, you have to give it credit for that. Of course some parts of your ego will yell & rebel - but hey, admit it: you DO like it ;-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:09:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32BCB3BE8A; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:27 UTC From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:03:46 -0500 Subject: RE: sonic viral infection Thread-Topic: sonic viral infection Thread-Index: Aci2kl+ehmI1IvVoR46zJXb3e30+OgAGwO8A Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E05646@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] > Of course some parts of your ego will yell & rebel Rebel Yell...there's another one. Mo, mo, mo, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:14:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06EB43BE86; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vQ6QjZgr/jrmp+boDBHXF/yveMJXUbB4f5F4hvI+xf4cIBHXnigCYKlejAEhI/239NWIJ9cpBMeUNvvaMhXqFBevwF7H0Bq4pseWm0hN/OxlyyZc4HoPxSoRrfAx9JJusPOcfJJWxUECGk66YLo4guzsWAxl1ckX1/omSBTRDbk=; X-YMail-OSG: QTY4btoVM1n0Im2aBoHvZoDzBUk1JnK.LcfAySg45sNqnr48NBWEqrAc4pxm3RvLBAhUtb10znzfmx0AueTikxM1yEU8ODxn8ScfgSL7ViFtLIrimw0DlsjtYA-- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: stevenguerrero Subject: RE: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E05646@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <273136.80573.qm@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:13:59 +0000 (UTC) I usually turn the radio up when that comes on... --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] > > Of course some parts of your ego will yell & rebel > > Rebel Yell...there's another one. > > Mo, mo, mo, > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 17:36:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983993BE93; Thu, 15 May 2008 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:35:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-_aPUB.A.dhC.BSHLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Begging your indulgence...still working on my small PA requirements (for coffeeshop-size venues...and yes, loops will be going through this speaker). Any familiarity out there with the Yamaha MSR-100? Has an 8" woofer, horn, mixer in back, and just small enough to fit in a suitcase (though taking up half the airline weight requirement). It's kinda perfect, though beyond what I want to spend, new. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-MSR100-8-Powered-Speaker?sku=600910 There's also this Fender, which looks cheap but fits all the requirements and with a 10" woofer at least has the speaker size advantage over the SRM150 for giving bottom end. http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN0711271000 all thoughts gratefully appreciated- Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 19:39:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08453BE8D; Thu, 15 May 2008 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:39:19 -0700 Message-Id: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 80.216.17.163 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <9CyteC.A.woF.pFJLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Ted wrote: "It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and going (like the Energizer Bunny). There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert Fripp, or whomever). It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing trancelike appeal" As with so many topics and ascertations on this list, I agree with you, Ted, but I actually use quite a few static loops in my own music. As a drummer and a song writer, I learned early on that there is a place for what I call "framing parts" in music; Just as in a strong minimalist rock or r&b tune, sometimes it is very appropriate to play the same drum beat over and over without any variation. George Clinton's drummers are famous for doing this and I always try to take my latest funk oriented drum students to see him play any time he is in town.....just to see how minimalistically a drummer can play in service of a fantastic funky groove. Frequently, his drummer will play 8th notes on the high hat, two and four on snare drum and one and three on kick drum with very, very little variation in the groove. This, of course, sets up all the funk lines in the bass, guitar, clavinet, horn sections and vocals. In this way, I will frequently layer a series of non syncopated percussion or melodic parts to serve merely as a framing contrast to what I will put over the top that is more interesting. I think of it as the 'diamond' that is the focus of our attention against the all black velvet dress' that is the contrast that sets it off. ******** In much the same way that purely static loops can be boring, I sometimes find that parts that continually morph and never settle into a strong groove or a strong thematic melody can also be equally boring. Of course, we are different musicians from one another and no one is correct and has the answer in this discourse, but I for one, want to go on record to claim that one can use static loops (and, indeed, lots of them) in a very , very interesting piece of music..........especially if they are not a slave to using them and if they are in service, aesthetically to the piece of music. I'm really with Zoe on this one: I'm not at all opposed to using prerecorded loops in service to one's aesthetic and more than I'm opposed to reproducing pre composed pieces live on stage (a symphony orchestra, Kid Beyond or Imogen Heap) but every time I have flirted with it, myself, I have found my own self not quite so engaged, emotionally, as a performer. I just saw a beautiful youtube performance that my brother did at Gavilan college where he used a drum machine and then I saw him play live again where he used only his guitar (and extremely creatively) to make his own 'drum tracks'. Both performances were excellent but I related emotionally more to the one where he made his own tracks. Of course, he just layered several really neutral and perfectly repeated layers of 'framing rhythms' to create a drum groove that was neutral enough so that his own playing stood out against it in contrast. In the fantastic book, 'the making of Kind of Blue' by Ashley Khan, he talks about the fact that Miles experimented with modalism precisely because it's harmonic simplicity and openess gave the soloist far more freedom to determ the harmony of a piece of music. On, 'In a Silent Way' and *Bitches Brew', Miles continued on with this them with the first use of tape looped percussion parts which freed the instrumentalists and drummers to be able to create a more open and fluid form of percussive playing. It was the statis of the loops that allowed for more freedom and diversity. I dig that, personally -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:26:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6FF63BE8E; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> References: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:26:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) contrast is the active ingredient in art, after all... Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/mistershifty friend me -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island On May 15, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Ted wrote: > > > "It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and > going > (like the Energizer Bunny). > > There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really > cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert > Fripp, or whomever). It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing > trancelike > appeal" > > As with so many topics and ascertations on this list, I agree with > you, Ted, > but I actually use quite a few static loops in my own music. > > As a drummer and a song writer, I learned early on that there is a > place for > what I call "framing parts" in music; > > Just as in a strong minimalist rock or r&b tune, sometimes it is very > appropriate to play the same drum beat over and over without any > variation. > George Clinton's drummers are famous for doing this and I always > try to take > my latest funk oriented drum students to see him play any time he > is in > town.....just to see how minimalistically a drummer can play in > service of a > fantastic funky groove. Frequently, his drummer will play 8th > notes on the > high hat, two and four on snare drum and one and three on kick > drum with > very, very little variation in the groove. > > This, of course, sets up all the funk lines in the bass, guitar, > clavinet, > horn sections and vocals. > > In this way, I will frequently layer a series of non syncopated > percussion > or melodic parts to serve merely as a framing contrast to what I > will put > over the top that is more interesting. > > I think of it as the 'diamond' that is the focus of our attention > against > the all black velvet dress' that is the contrast that sets it off. > > ******** > > In much the same way that purely static loops can be boring, I > sometimes > find that parts that continually morph and never settle into a > strong groove > or a strong thematic melody can also be equally boring. > > Of course, we are different musicians from one another and no one > is correct > and has the answer in this discourse, but I for one, > want to go on record to claim that one can use static loops (and, > indeed, > lots of them) in a very , very interesting piece of > music..........especially > if they are not a slave to using them and if they are in service, > aesthetically to the piece of music. > > I'm really with Zoe on this one: I'm not at all opposed to using > prerecorded loops in service to one's aesthetic and more than I'm > opposed to > reproducing pre composed pieces live on stage (a symphony > orchestra, Kid > Beyond or Imogen Heap) but every time I have flirted with it, > myself, I have > found my own self not quite so engaged, emotionally, as a performer. > > I just saw a beautiful youtube performance that my brother did at > Gavilan > college where he used a drum machine and then I saw him play live > again where > he used only his guitar (and extremely creatively) to make his own > 'drum > tracks'. Both performances were excellent but I related > emotionally more > to the one where he made his own tracks. > > Of course, he just layered several really neutral and perfectly > repeated > layers of 'framing rhythms' to create a drum groove that was > neutral enough > so that his own playing stood out against it in contrast. > > In the fantastic book, 'the making of Kind of Blue' by Ashley > Khan, he talks > about the fact that Miles experimented with modalism precisely > because it's > harmonic simplicity and openess gave the soloist far more freedom > to determ > the harmony of a piece of music. > > On, 'In a Silent Way' and *Bitches Brew', Miles continued on with > this them > with the first use of tape looped percussion parts which freed the > instrumentalists and drummers to be able to create a more open and > fluid form > of percussive playing. > > It was the statis of the loops that allowed for more freedom and > diversity. > > I dig that, personally > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 20:53:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7274D3BE90; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sBgYByq2iMifQHZOF385z+2URh5f3j6YbACyuhqqz/U=; b=uGd1oqi4Kj2lLdQWQiFz+v4BS7uhK/OqgTDxQFGlFlvAN61WTBFMG5Hp8GzKSYN5IRUvKkF635e5pEqFVF1Ejsaq8+FGDpq6aG6j0AfLvgN4hoSYeJVLjZYqCzcl1nAly11F8jXjImRUDJrVnzzv8Uk7ZwaPL2+iEWKY0FRA07s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ss5j0xW8JpXe9N1mQaq8P0iblxjt69Fpdfk8RwZJbnCLI6A2PU6xIhsUa0k/hkxhLUsk7OTjP4Mhq4pzrgXe7tDFi6wGWrtjArNBdJIZ9c3goqgPjL3fLUnJQKt8xwn33MklTTjYKNsPDL//ZqjbvTKgdscm/f+Y6tBZiSsxlL8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:53:42 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating In-Reply-To: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5757_9937809.1210884822597" References: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:53:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5757_9937809.1210884822597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The thing is, when people play a repetitive phrase, it's never quite the same despite their best intentions, which is what adds a lot of complexity to early Reich/Glass minimalism. Each part is varying slightly with each rep. And it's been a while since I read the "Kind of Blue" book, but my recollection is that they didn't use tape loops on "In A Silent Way", but did edits on the master tape, including repeating one three-minute section at the beginning of IASW. Were there tape loops in the studio while the musicians were playing? TH On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Ted wrote: > > > "It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and going > (like the Energizer Bunny). > > There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really > cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert > Fripp, or whomever). It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing > trancelike > appeal" > > ... > > In the fantastic book, 'the making of Kind of Blue' by Ashley Khan, he > talks > about the fact that Miles experimented with modalism precisely because it's > harmonic simplicity and openess gave the soloist far more freedom to determ > the harmony of a piece of music. > > On, 'In a Silent Way' and *Bitches Brew', Miles continued on with this > them > with the first use of tape looped percussion parts which freed the > instrumentalists and drummers to be able to create a more open and fluid > form > of percussive playing. > > > -- > > ------=_Part_5757_9937809.1210884822597 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The thing is, when people play a repetitive phrase, it's never quite the same despite their best intentions, which is what adds a lot of complexity to early Reich/Glass minimalism.  Each part is varying slightly with each rep.

    And it's been a while since I read the "Kind of Blue" book, but my recollection is that they didn't use tape loops on "In A Silent Way", but did edits on the master tape, including repeating one three-minute section at the beginning of IASW.  Were there tape loops in the studio while the musicians were playing?

    TH

    On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

    Ted wrote:


    "It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and going
    (like the Energizer Bunny).

    There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really
    cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert
    Fripp, or whomever).  It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing trancelike
    appeal"

    ...
     

    In the fantastic book, 'the making of Kind of Blue' by Ashley Khan,  he talks
    about the fact that Miles experimented with modalism precisely because it's
    harmonic simplicity and openess gave the soloist far more freedom to determ
    the harmony of a piece of music.

    On, 'In a Silent Way' and *Bitches Brew',  Miles continued on with this them
    with the first use of tape looped percussion parts which freed the
    instrumentalists and drummers to be able to create a more open and fluid form
    of percussive playing.


    --


    ------=_Part_5757_9937809.1210884822597-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6BF3BE8E; Thu, 15 May 2008 21:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/dAa8HovPdyVMfI9d3PA+qG1UGJwW1vNm4uYkIBH 4/PFLI1xnudreG Message-ID: <001e01c8b6d3$94d30070$8da1fe91@parsick> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <482C1F28.2080402@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:15:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Why should it be cheating? After all, its you who created the loops so why bother? As a performing musician you ought to keep an eye on delivering a decent show with as little flaws as possible, this is what your audience paid for. If using pre-recorded loops help you accomplish this, great! Of course its great to create everything on the spot, giving an awe-inspiring demo of your musical skills but sometimes things tend to go wrong, like little fluctuations in line voltage, or the sushi you had before the show that was slightly, erm, fishy... I would only have a serious problem were I to use loops that were created by someone else, i. e. a sampling library or something along these lines. Its neither my own stuff, nor does it require a particular amount of musical or technical wit to reproduce this. As long as its your own stuff, why bother? Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please check www.parsick.com For legal downloads please check: http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:26:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560843BE87; Thu, 15 May 2008 21:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c8b6d3$94d30070$8da1fe91@parsick> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <482C1F28.2080402@addcom.de> <001e01c8b6d3$94d30070$8da1fe91@parsick> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <722E05D2-2899-43F6-9553-BF5CB5B2E599@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:26:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:26:11 +0000 (UTC) then again... Miles Davis' favorite patch on the D-50 was the =20 nightmare patch with no customization. go figure. rules? what rules? Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/mistershifty friend me -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island On May 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Why should it be cheating? After all, it=B4s you who created the =20 > loops so why > bother? As a performing musician you ought to keep an eye on =20 > delivering a > decent show with as little flaws as possible, this is what your =20 > audience > paid for. If using pre-recorded loops help you accomplish this, =20 > great! Of > course it=B4s great to create everything on the spot, giving an awe-=20= > inspiring > demo of your musical skills but sometimes things tend to go wrong, =20 > like > little fluctuations in line voltage, or the sushi you had before =20 > the show > that was slightly, erm, fishy... > > I would only have a serious problem were I to use loops that were =20 > created by > someone else, i. e. a sampling library or something along these =20 > lines. It=B4s > neither my own stuff, nor does it require a particular amount of =20 > musical or > technical wit to reproduce this. As long as it=B4s your own stuff, =20 > why bother? > > Stephen > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci =20 > little piggy." > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, =20 > reissued > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please =20= > check > www.parsick.com > > For legal downloads please check: > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=3D296&title=3DStephen=20 > +Parsick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:30:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EF5B3BE87; Thu, 15 May 2008 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: <001e01c8b6d3$94d30070$8da1fe91@parsick> References: <20080514134204.167050@gmx.net> <482C1F28.2080402@addcom.de> <001e01c8b6d3$94d30070$8da1fe91@parsick> X-Priority: 3 Message-id: <130E2761-DC6A-422C-9219-F8198067A841@mac.com> Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:30:17 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) They say with the new Melodyne, it can actually pick out every note =20 from a track and map it in a piano roll. Which means you could take =20 Led Zeppelin IV and rearrange the notes to create your own music =20 using Zeppelins tones. The implications of this are of course mind =20 boggling. Its an extreme example, but if its done well, it could be =20 interesting. On May 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Why should it be cheating? After all, it=B4s you who created the =20 > loops so why > bother? As a performing musician you ought to keep an eye on =20 > delivering a > decent show with as little flaws as possible, this is what your =20 > audience > paid for. If using pre-recorded loops help you accomplish this, =20 > great! Of > course it=B4s great to create everything on the spot, giving an awe-=20= > inspiring > demo of your musical skills but sometimes things tend to go wrong, =20 > like > little fluctuations in line voltage, or the sushi you had before =20 > the show > that was slightly, erm, fishy... > > I would only have a serious problem were I to use loops that were =20 > created by > someone else, i. e. a sampling library or something along these =20 > lines. It=B4s > neither my own stuff, nor does it require a particular amount of =20 > musical or > technical wit to reproduce this. As long as it=B4s your own stuff, =20 > why bother? > > Stephen > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci =20 > little piggy." > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, =20 > reissued > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please =20= > check > www.parsick.com > > For legal downloads please check: > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=3D296&title=3DStephen=20 > +Parsick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:33:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66F743BE91; Thu, 15 May 2008 21:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SMU2FR+OaZJfWrmG7OUJcJCxGOu23cb8VHBRl8UI23qZLn3rwxMOr1rGS5lHtyar; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <32150723.1210887188427.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:33:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48bfebcdc6d04a0e72b074389ccf65958aa8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:33:09 +0000 (UTC) my head hurts -----Original Message----- >From: Chris Sewell >Sent: May 15, 2008 2:30 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? > >They say with the new Melodyne, it can actually pick out every note =20 >from a track and map it in a piano roll. Which means you could take =20 >Led Zeppelin IV and rearrange the notes to create your own music =20 >using Zeppelins tones. The implications of this are of course mind =20 >boggling. Its an extreme example, but if its done well, it could be =20 >interesting. >On May 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > >> Why should it be cheating? After all, it=C2=B4s you who created the =20 >> loops so why >> bother? As a performing musician you ought to keep an eye on =20 >> delivering a >> decent show with as little flaws as possible, this is what your =20 >> audience >> paid for. If using pre-recorded loops help you accomplish this, =20 >> great! Of >> course it=C2=B4s great to create everything on the spot, giving an awe-= =20 >> inspiring >> demo of your musical skills but sometimes things tend to go wrong, =20 >> like >> little fluctuations in line voltage, or the sushi you had before =20 >> the show >> that was slightly, erm, fishy... >> >> I would only have a serious problem were I to use loops that were =20 >> created by >> someone else, i. e. a sampling library or something along these =20 >> lines. It=C2=B4s >> neither my own stuff, nor does it require a particular amount of =20 >> musical or >> technical wit to reproduce this. As long as it=C2=B4s your own stuff, = =20 >> why bother? >> >> Stephen >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci =20 >> little piggy." >> (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") >> >> Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, =20 >> reissued >> with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please =20 >> check >> www.parsick.com >> >> For legal downloads please check: >> >> http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=3D296&title=3DStephen=20 >> +Parsick >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 21:56:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB7B3BE8F; Thu, 15 May 2008 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: is using Pre-Recorded loops Cheating Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:56:18 -0700 Message-Id: <20080515214921.M56214@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 80.216.17.163 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Travis asked: And it's been a while since I read the "Kind of Blue" book, but my recollection is that they didn't use tape loops on "In A Silent Way", but did edits on the master tape, including repeating one three-minute section at the beginning of IASW. Were there tape loops in the studio while the musicians were playing? If memory serves, I actually read about the tape looping in the wonderful and extensive liner notes to the latest remastered version of 'Bitches Brew' And I don't really know whether they did this after the fact or if the musicians performed to it. The percussion is so soloistic and sparse on these records that I would hazard to guess that they were listening to the foundational loops to perform them (this is coming from my own experience as a studio percussionist for the last thirty years but certainly not a definitive answer) I also meant to type , in that original post that his usage of percussion tape loops were the first of their kind in Jazz. They were most certainly not the first use of tape loops in music from my knolwedge. One thing for certain, however, compositionally, 'Bitches Brew' used some looping conciousness..........that's a historical fact. Rick Walker -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 22:20:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475993BE86; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:20:12 -0500 Subject: RE: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Thread-Topic: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Thread-Index: Aci2shEnHWvR0s1dTFa2qrduMYh69AAJvL4g Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E056F4@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:20:52 +0000 (UTC) I have this which is basically a pair of MSR100's with slightly lower wattage and a more flexible mixer: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-STAGEPAS-300-Portable-PA-Sy= stem?sku=3D480818 I think they sound great though obviously due to their size you don't get as much bass oomph as with a 10" or 15" driver. The handle makes them easy to lug around. For me this was the sweet spot between sound and portability. I thought the comparable Fenders looked cheesy and didn't sound as good, but I was looking at the stereo combos like this, not the stage monitors: http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN691003000 I also have one of these which is REALLY small and surprisingly loud but lacks bass. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ROLCM30 They're okay as personal monitors but for a PA you would probably want to combine it with a subwoofer. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 22:57:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4633BE90; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080515185708.59IDY.283588.root@fepweb01> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:57:08 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating Cc: Rick Walker In-Reply-To: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <6SkRv.A.z9C.J_LLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Rick, As you very well know . . . I use static loops too (and quite often) . . . but I TRY to disguise it as much as possible by having other looped stuff playing against it, over it, under it, synched and unsynched . . . and by tweaking the relative volume, panning, filtering, etc., and other processing in ways to keep it a little more interesting. It's like drawing on grid paper and only letting the underlying grid show through every now and again (in select places and circumstances). "Flux Aeterna" is full of static loops that appear and disappear and reappear again . . . or merge into the background to lay hidden among other, louder details until those details are stripped away again. I think we both might agree though that having a naked boom-chucka-boom-chucka-boom drum loop going unaltered for 10 minutes would be tedious unless it had some really elastic temporal variations (push and pull) going on against it (or a really superb melody). There is nothing particularly imaginative or creative about it . . . it's like looking at the piece of grid paper all by itself with nothing else on it. BTW - one of my favorite things to do is superimpose elements with different time signatures. It's kinda hard to do on a guitar in real-time . . . even for a finger-picker like me . . . but it becomes easier with looping devices and on a DAW. Drummers like you . . . and really good pianists a la Keith Jarrett . . . have been doing this for years. Playing with time can be a very fun thing to do. But you don't know how elastic some musicians are actually being unless there is something to reference the variations against. You call it a "frame" and I call it a "grid" but I think we're both talking about the same concept. I don't think I was being adamant about it was I? I too agree that constant change with no common, recurring theme or reference point . . . or apparent structural underpinning can be just as tedious as monotonous repetition. Ted ---- Rick Walker wrote: > > Ted wrote: > > > "It is sooooooooo boring to hear the same loop going and going and going > (like the Energizer Bunny). > > There was a time (about 15-20 years ago) that I thought it was really > cool and "minimalistic" - hey look at me I'm Phillip Glass (or Robert > Fripp, or whomever). It does have a rather seductive navel-gazing trancelike > appeal" > > As with so many topics and ascertations on this list, I agree with you, Ted, > but I actually use quite a few static loops in my own music. > > As a drummer and a song writer, I learned early on that there is a place for > what I call "framing parts" in music; > > Just as in a strong minimalist rock or r&b tune, sometimes it is very > appropriate to play the same drum beat over and over without any variation. > George Clinton's drummers are famous for doing this and I always try to take > my latest funk oriented drum students to see him play any time he is in > town.....just to see how minimalistically a drummer can play in service of a > fantastic funky groove. Frequently, his drummer will play 8th notes on the > high hat, two and four on snare drum and one and three on kick drum with > very, very little variation in the groove. > > This, of course, sets up all the funk lines in the bass, guitar, clavinet, > horn sections and vocals. > > In this way, I will frequently layer a series of non syncopated percussion > or melodic parts to serve merely as a framing contrast to what I will put > over the top that is more interesting. > > I think of it as the 'diamond' that is the focus of our attention against > the all black velvet dress' that is the contrast that sets it off. > > ******** > > In much the same way that purely static loops can be boring, I sometimes > find that parts that continually morph and never settle into a strong groove > or a strong thematic melody can also be equally boring. > > Of course, we are different musicians from one another and no one is correct > and has the answer in this discourse, but I for one, > want to go on record to claim that one can use static loops (and, indeed, > lots of them) in a very , very interesting piece of music..........especially > if they are not a slave to using them and if they are in service, > aesthetically to the piece of music. > > I'm really with Zoe on this one: I'm not at all opposed to using > prerecorded loops in service to one's aesthetic and more than I'm opposed to > reproducing pre composed pieces live on stage (a symphony orchestra, Kid > Beyond or Imogen Heap) but every time I have flirted with it, myself, I have > found my own self not quite so engaged, emotionally, as a performer. > > I just saw a beautiful youtube performance that my brother did at Gavilan > college where he used a drum machine and then I saw him play live again where > he used only his guitar (and extremely creatively) to make his own 'drum > tracks'. Both performances were excellent but I related emotionally more > to the one where he made his own tracks. > > Of course, he just layered several really neutral and perfectly repeated > layers of 'framing rhythms' to create a drum groove that was neutral enough > so that his own playing stood out against it in contrast. > > In the fantastic book, 'the making of Kind of Blue' by Ashley Khan, he talks > about the fact that Miles experimented with modalism precisely because it's > harmonic simplicity and openess gave the soloist far more freedom to determ > the harmony of a piece of music. > > On, 'In a Silent Way' and *Bitches Brew', Miles continued on with this them > with the first use of tape looped percussion parts which freed the > instrumentalists and drummers to be able to create a more open and fluid form > of percussive playing. > > It was the statis of the loops that allowed for more freedom and diversity. > > I dig that, personally > -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 22:58:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7903BE91; Thu, 15 May 2008 22:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482CC000.4050301@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:58:08 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, jeff.larson@sailpoint.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E056F4@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E056F4@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Awesome...I was just looking at the Stagepas system. Glad to hear it sounds good, I love the fact that it has the detachable mixer. It'd be perfect for me to carry that around, but leave the speakers in different locations. I thought it was higher wattage, though, with two 150-watt amps as opposed to the MSR's which are 100-watt? How heavy is the mixer, would you say? On the Yamaha site, looks like they're introducing two single-speaker versions with detachable mixers, though they don't seem to be available in the States yet. This definitely looks more substantial than those Fender combos (or the wedge I mentioned). Those taffy-colored graphics are just bizarre. It looks like it's ready to dispense frozen daiquiris. thanks a lot, Jeff, this is very helpful. feel free to respond offline (if you get the chance), just wanted to give my public gratitude. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I have this which is basically a pair of MSR100's with slightly lower > wattage and a more flexible mixer: > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-STAGEPAS-300-Portable-PA-System?sku=480818 > > I think they sound great though obviously due to their size you don't > get as much bass oomph as with a 10" or 15" driver. The handle makes > them easy to lug around. For me this was the sweet spot between sound > and portability. > > I thought the comparable Fenders looked cheesy and didn't sound as > good, but I was looking at the stereo combos like this, not the stage > monitors: > > http://www.zzounds.com/item--FEN691003000 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 23:09:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8C2A3BE91; Thu, 15 May 2008 23:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wHtQ+1150OBR/Kv0nvhVixPEDqUysPHdzz8ntnRgrkI=; b=COItWJB0W/0IRrkhNjewiw88u+1qIMEo+XAzgAnV+me0rfKMChxxNPNAKyEKtqCORnoxl0bG2gIUghSnnHQ9MDj1WKINJpZYdpJiZvXyeFVPzvdqvUZCMrqQiEOphRxFxAQdgyxcGJGMmBv+wfA5l0cbh2wJEsr8pGdrzVRqtBk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bKNmde/AEBqZcQKsysg+CqPqd+YDGuhX/UeqP1JXV2YErKusjPqdeUjBb/P5gXYwLRaSkCKQuxna1OcJBwAryHJNn5WYHBvGtyT1CL1pBdpT5wXhuU30uuLMxQS7I0WrjVL7pp27la8Olfps9dhMd3WmxC+RBom8w178MK7b1xM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:09:46 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: s using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-Reply-To: <9747.42986.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7197_19567202.1210892986148" References: <20080514160820.2E96F3BF3B@arsenic.violacea.com> <9747.42986.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:09:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7197_19567202.1210892986148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, there are some fine lines and not so fine ones. Since the late 60's, the amount of craft that goes into recording an album has made many albums sound less and less like live performances. Attempts to match those production values have certainly made live shows more interesting, but I don't buy the idea that live performances should be loyal to the studio recordings by the same musicians, or even that all musicians should be expected to perform live. Here's my stance: Things that are OK: --Looping Live --Triggering short samples of pre-recorded material --Using a cd player as a sampler - pausing between short samples. --Feeding a musical phrase from a CD player into a looper --Record scratching --Looping musical phrases from records --cueing up and playing short sections from a record player. --Setting up multiple cd players to play audio recordings unpredictably so the results are different each time. --Playing/looping a drum machine in real time. --Having your drum machine play an extremely simple loop, where you add the fills by occasionally hitting snares or bass drums --building drum machine loops in real-time using the drum machine's internal programmer. Things that are not OK: --Using pre-recorded loops on a looper as background material --Recording tracks of yourself and other musicians to a cd/computer/workstation, and using that recoding to be the backing song while you sing or solo over it. (At my venue we call this karaoke.) --Playing long sections of records (over 30 seconds, for example) unaltered. --pre-programming a drum machine, sampler or keyboard to play the backing track from beginning to end with no help from you. --Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer. --Using unaltered loops from any cd of "loops" (for example, the drum loop cd's that are sold for users of ACID). --Referring to dj's who play somebody's song from beginning to end, then somebody else's song from beginning to end as "musicians". Why is the stuff that's not ok, not ok with me? 1) In most cases, it tells me that the musician is not yet at a level where they're ready to put on live shows. I don't mean physical preparedness in that the musician hasn't bought enough stuff - I mean that the musician hasn't put much thought into what their fans would want to hear in a live performance. (See #2) 2) When I go to a show, I want to hear the process of creating music. Backing tracks and drum machines are music that's already made. 3) Backing tracks lack the dynamic of a musician who is reacting to the space they're in, and as such, they have a deflating effect to me. 4) Way more often than not backing tracks are a distraction from the actual music-making that's happening on stage. Either they cover up shoddy live-music-making onstage, or they keep me from hearing good music-making. 5) No matter how many bells and whistles you bring, your live performance in a club will never sound as good as your cd does on my home stereo. If I want to hear the cd, I'll listen to the cd. 6) Live performances are a chance to provide a different perspective of yourself as a musician. Either you can prove that you *can* play all that stuff live, or you prove that you're creative enough to reinterpret the songs with the materials you have at hand. Personally, I think the latter makes for a more interesting performance. I'll close by saying that I don't think there should be a requirement for all musicians to play live shows. Matt Davignon ------=_Part_7197_19567202.1210892986148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hmmm, there are some fine lines and not so fine ones.

    Since the late 60's, the amount of craft that goes into recording an album has made many albums sound less and less like live performances. Attempts to match those production values have certainly made live shows more interesting, but I don't buy the idea that live performances should be loyal to the studio recordings by the same musicians, or even that all musicians should be expected to perform live. Here's my stance:

    Things that are OK:
    --Looping Live
    --Triggering short samples of pre-recorded material
    --Using a cd player as a sampler - pausing between short samples.
    --Feeding a musical phrase from a CD player into a looper
    --Record scratching
    --Looping musical phrases from records
    --cueing up and playing short sections from a record player.
    --Setting up multiple cd players to play audio recordings unpredictably so the results are different each time.
    --Playing/looping a drum machine in real time.
    --Having your drum machine play an extremely simple loop, where you add the fills by occasionally hitting snares or bass drums
    --building drum machine loops in real-time using the drum machine's internal programmer.

    Things that are not OK:
    --Using pre-recorded loops on a looper as background material
    --Recording tracks of yourself and other musicians to a cd/computer/workstation, and using that recoding to be the backing song while you sing or solo over it. (At my venue we call this karaoke.)
    --Playing long sections of records (over 30 seconds, for example) unaltered.
    --pre-programming a drum machine, sampler or keyboard to play the backing track from beginning to end with no help from you.
    --Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer.
    --Using unaltered loops from any cd of "loops" (for example, the drum loop cd's that are sold for users of ACID).
    --Referring to dj's who play somebody's song from beginning to end, then somebody else's song from beginning to end as "musicians".

    Why is the stuff that's not ok, not ok with me?
    1) In most cases, it tells me that the musician is not yet at a level where they're ready to put on live shows. I don't mean physical preparedness in that the musician hasn't bought enough stuff - I mean that the musician hasn't put much thought into what their fans would want to hear in a live performance. (See #2)
    2) When I go to a show, I want to hear the process of creating music. Backing tracks and drum machines are music that's already made.
    3) Backing tracks lack the dynamic of a musician who is reacting to the space they're in, and as such, they have a deflating effect to me.
    4) Way more often than not backing tracks are a distraction from the actual music-making that's happening on stage. Either they cover up shoddy live-music-making onstage, or they keep me from hearing good music-making.
    5) No matter how many bells and whistles you bring, your live performance in a club will never sound as good as your cd does on my home stereo. If I want to hear the cd, I'll listen to the cd.
    6) Live performances are a chance to provide a different perspective of yourself as a musician. Either you can prove that you *can* play all that stuff live, or you prove that you're creative enough to reinterpret the songs with the materials you have at hand. Personally, I think the latter makes for a more interesting performance.

    I'll close by saying that I don't think there should be a requirement for all musicians to play live shows.

    Matt Davignon
    ------=_Part_7197_19567202.1210892986148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 15 23:36:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A613BE8F; Thu, 15 May 2008 23:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7D3EE80C6B484423B5D8279BADFA1DA5@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E05646@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:36:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 23:36:14 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jeff Larson" >> From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] >> Of course some parts of your ego will yell & rebel > > Rebel Yell...there's another one. > > Mo, mo, mo, > Jeff No way! Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's on. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 02:42:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C62F3BE8A; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1210905748; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=CvleN2RJn3GWYFxbpeRD24PmQa4=; b=IYX/f94yNf/gnYEsoUxB0ieRRBwSvLcEqO5Kf5BjiYjXOfuVxDnThRQWuXseQTh4 srbfLazycUn6i7S8HSixHiNShz8Q67Pa6jCACu7vD55aFJ+EjfEF1461jQVFhsv/; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sC9Wyjdoa-QWLNFB4nAA:9 a=erLbCOAJ2iLDmCw5Ze8A:7 a=TSKzK92s6FFYL5xyzYQVZhxPG3oA:4 a=_l2Q2dtbBbIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=TofBXUq19UIA:10 a=BFDKbZatV3MA:10 a=55zalpP9CjoA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <005301c8b706$ec240710$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E05646@barq.sailpoint.com> <7D3EE80C6B484423B5D8279BADFA1DA5@eluk1> Subject: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:42:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:42:29 +0000 (UTC) oh hell yeah! His new one "Memory Crash" rocks in a big way, he really put it all together this time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: sonic viral infection > From: "Jeff Larson" >>> From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] >>> Of course some parts of your ego will yell & rebel >> >> Rebel Yell...there's another one. >> >> Mo, mo, mo, >> Jeff > > No way! Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's on. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 02:53:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C83103BE8F; Fri, 16 May 2008 02:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:49:58 -0500 Subject: RE: sonic viral infection Thread-Topic: sonic viral infection Thread-Index: Aci25GKxWPWPXzhjQ7aRCWXR8B7eCgAGyRy0 Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278C116BF@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <000c01c8b5d1$ae3f8590$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20080515134908.286400@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E05646@barq.sailpoint.com>,<7D3EE80C6B484423B5D8279BADFA1DA5@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <7D3EE80C6B484423B5D8279BADFA1DA5@eluk1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:53:14 +0000 (UTC) > From: Stephen Goodman [spgoodman@earthlight.net] > No way! Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's on. Absolutely! Billy is one of my guilty pleasures, due mostly to Steve. Sigh, now I can't get the guitar riff from "Eyes Without a Face" out of my head. Ah the 80's. I wonder if my parachute pants still fit... 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    Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Wind= ows Vista Service Pack 1. Learn more. = --_271d5659-5c0d-4a05-91b9-b128b341e718_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 07:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9E33BEAF; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <482C2058.9050709@addcom.de> References: <000601c8b5c7$30d369a0$927a3ce0$@com> <482C2058.9050709@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:20:29 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: sonic viral infection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:35:48 +0000 (UTC) At 1:36 PM +0200 5/15/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >Qua Veda schrieb: >>Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? What treatment >>worked for you? > >Choose another virus which you like better, then sing it all day >long till you fall asleep. Keep a little collection of those to have >varity. Torn isn't bad for that... Don't forget to include some bird >songs... That's been my solution exactly. "Girl From Ipanema" works well, in addition to Brubeck's "Take Five"/Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose That Number". Also, Ennio Moricone's "The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly" can do a great job of wiping out most earworms, and Vince Guaraldi's "Charlie Brown Theme" can cause one to dance gleefully around the room until the former earworm is stamped out. Above all else, however, avoid "In A Gadda Da Vida". You'll replace the original earworm with something far worse. ;) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 07:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9C73BEB2; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c8b5b6$c524ae90$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001001c8b537$5eb13680$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> <006c01c8b549$46f34fd0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> <002f01c8b5b6$c524ae90$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:21:00 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: octave stomp box? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1001199149==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:35:48 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1001199149==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:36 PM +0200 5/14/08, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: >thanx a lot to mark and ian for the info - i will try out the boss ps-5. BTW, if you get a chance, give the older Boss PS-3 a go. It's got a different tone than the PS-5 (the PS-5 is more "accurate", whereas the PS-3 has more "character" IMNSHO). You may prefer the sound of one over the other. As always, YMMV. --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" --============_-1001199149==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: octave stomp box?
    At 1:36 PM +0200 5/14/08, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote:
    thanx a lot to mark and ian for the info - i will try out the boss ps-5.

    BTW, if you get a chance, give the older Boss PS-3 a go.  It's got a different tone than the PS-5 (the PS-5 is more "accurate", whereas the PS-3 has more "character" IMNSHO).  You may prefer the sound of one over the other.  As always, YMMV.

            --m.
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    --============_-1001199149==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 07:57:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589F43BE92; Fri, 16 May 2008 07:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:57:39 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <20080516075739.248440@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Ckz1g43+CZ+E7K0YXEwAFWdsGC6zUvNi9O8gZJd Q57FQp8xfLLuVeNmFLGnbpoVZf/LVbP9Wu+g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Rwwfez1WPTR+cJ4oyjMwnLA5c2tpZMs+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks really interesting what people consider no-gos... ;-) I don't bother performing pre-composed pieces (just give me little impro room to breath). Oddly enough, there is something a lot of people do here that is an absolute NO-NO for me: using CLICK TRACKS on live performances (monitors only). I'd feel like betraying the audience if I don't hear more or less the same thing they do. It has to be a MUTUAL experience for me + the audience. Buzap -- 249 Spiele fr nur 1 Preis. Die GMX Spieleflatrate schon ab 9,90 Euro. Neu: Asterix bei den Olympischen Spielen: http://flat.games.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 08:08:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 452963BE91; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1973 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 08:08:41 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:21:24 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:08:42 +0000 (UTC) Hey Daryl! Sorry for the late reply, but we were off in Korea on a "visa run". (If there's anybody else from the Loopy list that would know the definition of that term, then I'm sure it's you). I saw you mention the Roland CM-30 Cube Monitors in your original post. I've got a pair of these that I use in a 2.1 setup along with a Gemini 12" powered monitor. I was wondering: how much low end do you need to reproduce for your purposes? The Roland's sound great and have a very good frequency response all the way down through the low mids, but their bass is fairly crippled -- which is why I supplemented mine with a powered sub. They have a pretty hefty rolloff below around 200 Hz, and practically nothing below around 60-80 Hz. But, with a 5" woofer, you can't expect a whole lot of low end response. However, if you're just using them with your acoustic, I think they may be worth taking a look. They're extremely portable; I can easily lift both of mine with just one arm. There are a lot of I/O options, and They're a lot louder than you might think, with low distortion, and, if you can live without the bass response, reproduce tones nicely. Just another $.02 to consider. Regardless, hope things are going well and good luck!!! :) -- Duke. At 1:02 AM -0500 5/14/08, Daryl Shawn wrote: >hey Rick, thanks for sparing the kroner from afar, good to hear your >full and informed review. "Underwhelmed" is a strong phrase...I'm >hearing enough dissenting opinions here and elsewhere that I'm not >convinced I'd be happy with them for this purpose. > >The RCF's are getting great reviews everywhere it seems. I'm seeing >them for $450-550 which is more than I wanted to spend, but more >than that they're not something I can really regularly fly with, >small as they are. I have to weigh a bit more exactly what I want to >do and can spend, but at this point I'm thinking about getting >several passive 10" monitors, leaving one in each of my safe houses >on each coast, and traveling with a small power amp. I have plenty >of choices for passive monitors, but it's been hard finding a power >amp that's NOT rack size. There's this one >(http://www.stewartaudio.com/pa_series.php) but it's a fair amount >of cash for the low wattage. > >(Why can't everywhere that regularly hosts live music invest a few >hundred bucks in a PA appropriate to their needs? /gripe..) > >Much appreciated. Hope you slew the Norse tonight! (so to speak) > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >>Ted Killian asked me to make a special trip to >>check out the Mackie SRM 150 speakers at >>NAMM. >> >>I went and tested them out with a very good singersongwriter and >>some heavy duty beat boxing. >> >>I have to say that I was really underwhelmed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 09:25:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6892D3BE89; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 02:25:53 -0700 Message-Id: <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 80.216.17.163 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: "Things that are not OK: .......Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer." What's wonderful about this community is it's diversity. I love Ted Killian's music and Matt Davignon's music a lot and, in the same breathe, we're all really different musicians with different aesthetics and different musical loves. Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer is completely okay with me as an example. The first time I saw Ultravox live in the late 70's there drummer was playing a kick, snare, hi hat and cymbal (unbelievably and shockingly minimal in the era of huge concert tome drum sets in the Reagan 70's) and he was only playing half of the beat. The other half was played by a Roland CR-78 analogue drum machine (the first programmable analogue drum machine) that was playing ridiculously minimal and repetitive drum beats. The performance was minimal to a fault and it was just electrifying to me at the time for one huge reason: the SOUND!!!!!! Also, I was fascinated with the concept of minimalism at the time. Less is More. I'm still fascinated by this concept. I also loved the statement of this performance. They were purposefully playing wiht the mechanical nature of the performance. John Foxx was really interested in emotions and lack of emotions: machines interacting with human beings. I became a lover of drum machines immediately and began to collect them when ever I could afford to. After digital machines came out (which I couldn't possibly afford at the time), analogue drum machines went out of fashion for being too 'cheesy'. I was like a pig in slop, I bought analogue machine after analogue machine, never spending 60 dollars for anyone until I finally saved up enough money to buy the cadillac TR 808 for 400 dollars (lol, there's no US dollar sign on this computer that I'm using in Per Boysen's flat in Stockholm.........I haven't spelled the word dollars in forever= When inexpensive samplers came along I was even deeper in love. I've always love the interface between artificial and organic. I probably wouldn't be attracted to looping if I didn't have that fascination. I always thought it was queer that most people who owned analogue, digital synths and , later, samplers were always finding ways to make things sound like real instruments. To me, the artificial was far more exotic and enticing. I have just loved that the technique of forward thinking drummers in recent years has soared because they have purposefully tried to emulate the seemingly impossible computer cutups of styles like Jungle and D and B. Indeed, I have worked hard on creating a drumset that has three tiny (6",8",10"= snares, 8" hihats and little 12" and 14" kick drums on one side (to emulate pitching up a drumset an octave on a sampler) and a 26" kick, huge 16" hi hats and a deep 10" X 14" 'coliseum' snare drum, all tuned extremely flabby and flat to simulate pitching a drumset down an octave (jungle meets half speed trip hop). Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because I'm a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the really minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly like this. So, Ted says, I'm sure you can agree with me that you don't like just setting a drum machine up and letting it go for an entire song and, as much as I love his music and aesthetic, I have to confess, that, NO, I actually do like to do that at times. To me all of this is interesting an valid depending on what timbral and rhythmic choices that are made. Personally, I have to confess that the preoccupation of many musicians in their attempts to never have anything repeated is actually more irritating to me than the ones who are guily of repeating things over and over. Of course it all dependes on what's being said (and why). Andre LaFosse can be incredibly maximal and I love what he does. That's my take on it, though it probably won't be the most popular on this list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 09:40:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55B4E3BE93; Fri, 16 May 2008 09:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482D5671.8040300@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:40:01 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using pre-recorded loops Cheating References: <20080515193603.M75319@cruzio.com> <20080516075739.248440@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080516075739.248440@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap schrieb: > I'd feel like betraying the audience if I don't hear more or less the > same thing they do. It has to be a MUTUAL experience for me + the > audience. Yes, that's probably the only no-go for me as well. To hear something the audience isn't supposed to hear as well... But where is the line? A visual metronome which doesn't sound isn't much different than a click in terms of information... But i'd never want to play to a fixed rythm anyway... DJ's need to prelisten to get a good result. That isn't supposed to be heard by the audience and seems adequate... I think for any no-go, you'll find a valid example to make musical sense and then just go for it... Even for a no-go for no-gos... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 11:01:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2C33BE92; Fri, 16 May 2008 11:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iO1krXUCl8tluRnSa/niA2fuBj/qSO+pOXOef6F00iOG3vckqLcmwuGY6Xclo80ucL9WAAc/GiAeUredtpuLM/vjvB7gjNLsDAdcVPpI3ogQPuLmu3bKzFJH4OT6cljP0T/ZYCKKFWZD/HlbseWpO5mNhX7Yh7A2S6BghF47V4I=; X-YMail-OSG: ei1BgCcVM1mHrL6bdrSyh5i49RHQFpfGFbwNHaGkoMJxoaAYjWHpA2NC5pO9F4wmy4SOPWFLhoaE8_wvaY3s.U9F3L44fkwSdQ9yBguuXUGv.K9WTjfPunOtFjQ- Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 04:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <722E05D2-2899-43F6-9553-BF5CB5B2E599@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <242856.43978.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:01:39 +0000 (UTC) I guess then all those great lounge groups i love like thievery corporation,Kid loco,Kruder and Dorfmeister who often use hynotic canned loops without many variations live and in the studio and even legends like Bowie who is know for using backing tracks live are a bunch of cheaters! if we had a set of rules of the things we should be allowed to do or not do live then we would still be in the middle ages!I once saw the Jazz guitarrist Ronny Jordan who was just playing with an upright bass player and at the end of the night he triggered this really cool hypnotic drum sample that just went on and on and grooved along with minimal repetitive guitar phrases on and on,instead of jazz soloing and people went nuts! if it sounds good why not,sometimes steady and repetitive is great and hypnotic and the way i want it,sometimes it is boring and steril, but it aint gonna make me happier just because its "organic".But One thing is for sure,lip syncing is never gonna do it for me live! Luis --- Teddy Kumpel wrote: > then again... Miles Davis' favorite patch on the > D-50 was the > nightmare patch with no customization. > > go figure. > > rules? what rules? > > Teddy > > -- > PS. > -- > http://teddyjam.com > new live recordings > -- > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > friend me > -- > Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows > May 15th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 > May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island > > On May 15, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > > > Why should it be cheating? After all, its you who > created the > > loops so why > > bother? As a performing musician you ought to keep > an eye on > > delivering a > > decent show with as little flaws as possible, this > is what your > > audience > > paid for. If using pre-recorded loops help you > accomplish this, > > great! Of > > course its great to create everything on the > spot, giving an awe- > > inspiring > > demo of your musical skills but sometimes things > tend to go wrong, > > like > > little fluctuations in line voltage, or the sushi > you had before > > the show > > that was slightly, erm, fishy... > > > > I would only have a serious problem were I to use > loops that were > > created by > > someone else, i. e. a sampling library or > something along these > > lines. Its > > neither my own stuff, nor does it require a > particular amount of > > musical or > > technical wit to reproduce this. As long as its > your own stuff, > > why bother? > > > > Stephen > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking > squealing Gucci > > little piggy." > > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of > the Past Redux, > > reissued > > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For > more info please > > check > > www.parsick.com > > > > For legal downloads please check: > > > > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen > > > +Parsick > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 12:17:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D943BE92; Fri, 16 May 2008 12:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482D7B45.50403@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:17:09 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? References: <242856.43978.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <242856.43978.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:17:15 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo schrieb: > But One thing is for sure,lip syncing is never gonna do it for me > live! I'd love to proof that wrong, I am a bad singer and an even worse (read funny) lip syncer... ;-) Just start to imagine how lame those lip sinking pop chicks look like if you start to make sense (read fun) of it... Consciousness is the key. If its obvious... There are brilliant air guitarists around, better than the original... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 12:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86D933BE8D; Fri, 16 May 2008 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:56:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-reply-to: <20274110.1210772652494.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <482D8480.9020802@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20274110.1210772652494.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:56:15 +0000 (UTC) buzap@gmx.net wrote: > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > When doing live looping, do you find it uncool/immoral if you see somebody performing with some pre-recorded loops? > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't mind that much, as long as it serves an artistically credible music performance. > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using some pre-recorded loops (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his performance? > Or do you think he might as well just sing karaoke? ;-) > How live is it if the loops are pre-recorded? That being said, if you use one because it sets up the proper tempo and loop length and allows you to relax enough to do a good job at overdubbing additional loops and soloing over them, then where's the harm? I so no need to be dogmatic about such things. If, by chance, you're talking about using commercial loops in Live, then I have two thoughts. 1. Some people may recognize the loop you use and that may detract from how original some people will consider you. Most people won't know the difference. It all depends upon who you want to impress or if you need some sort of "credibility," if any of that matters to you. 2. Lots of bass player play a Rickenbacker for its distinctive sound. Same goes for Les Pauls, Mellotrons, violins, etc. The difference is in how these instruments are played. In some cases, processing is used to customize the sound. If you let an unprocessed loop free-run. then I've not too impressed. But if ou PLAY the loop (manually) or process it, cut it up, or do something to make it your own, then I'm much more impressed. And I'm *sure* that your goal in life is to impress *me*! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 13:04:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1013BEA2; Fri, 16 May 2008 13:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 13:04:33 UTC Message-ID: <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:57:50 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} DomainKey-Status: no signature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Rick Walker : > > Matt Davignon wrote: > "Things that are not OK: > The OK/Not OK issue is a test that I apply only to myself. It occurs =20 to me that what I would consider "cheating" for me (a =20 composer/performer/improviser) would be "ok" within someone else's =20 artistic space. For every thing that I can think of that I personally wouldn't do, =20 there is at least one celebrated artist who has done those very things. I have to conclude that the only thing that is not OK for me is to: =20 try to be someone that I'm not and/or try to be all things to all =20 people. Whether I happen to compose a work that uses my own pre-recorded =20 material or is entirely live, I simply do what is necessary for me to =20 realize the result that I want. > > John Foxx was really > interested in emotions and lack of emotions: machines interacting with hu= man > beings. > Yes! Yes! Often when I perform a work, I look for a crescendo of =20 emotion the same as I look for dynamic, tempo, texture, and rhythmic =20 changes. Often times, there is more excitement and tension from "holding back" =20 than from "giving 100% emotion 100% of the time". > > To me, the artificial was far more exotic and enticing. > I think the beauty of analog synthesis is its failure to replicate =20 acoustic instruments. > > Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because > I'm a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the reall= y > minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly like > this. > In my looping works, I discovered that not all loops have to be played =20 by looping hardware. Sometimes I just play the same phrase over and =20 over in real time. In fact, I try to play it mechanically enough that =20 it really SOUNDS like a loop. I have found this a most effective =20 technique. > > Personally, I have to confess that the preoccupation of many musicians in > their attempts to never have anything repeated is actually more irritating= to > me than the ones who are guily of repeating things over and over. > Always a balancing act between repetition vs. meandering. Too much of =20 either can be boring. How much is too much? Heck, I don't know. > > That's my take on it, though it probably won't be the most popular on this > list. > Raising my coffee mug in a toast to Rick, Matt, and everyone else here. I am grateful for this thread ... it gave me some ideas for some new music. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 13:31:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6C83BE94; Fri, 16 May 2008 13:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FbzMEXsSO5xdJuzVLU6jIL+dmswhDhxXP4G7cmqWwCQ=; b=fS1W5wjDmGBBJaz6u4lEuIVwelUh451OUhw5Ll3T0Nt1BcYbeDKplqxuQ1mvx3siQqVv2tes03HoP+aZa6dbvlzNRDEDO8RxSECIWZ8ZhAvQactkALUPVjMCtqnkSdhrTazvsMzuzvjcWd/QsDS0UqNxD7kqLEk/CdMK80e5KPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EDckDhLkqjy/pagtw8czkIJ2PAheEPq14Wqsq4kV+MnC9vDK9Mxb85qTnwZdmHv/NVEZYQXLXztrKkGnSxFQNPpN/NBrWGrXoKFdeh2zQWwNARXJ50SftDJrHs6dghT2G1d+6YiRi+KQTYRvw69ErzadukRPjCUH9oN4YQr5518= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:31:28 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: sonic viral infection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8162_29957201.1210944688442" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:31:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8162_29957201.1210944688442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > No way! Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's on. >Absolutely! Billy is one of my guilty pleasures, due mostly to Steve. >Sigh, now I can't get the guitar riff from "Eyes Without a Face" out >of my head. Ah the 80's. I wonder if my parachute pants still fit... Steve's work on the Bozzio, Levin, Stevens CDs is outstanding. A friend of mine asked me if I I always have music running through my head, and I have to say 'Yes.' I never really thought about it, but I do. There's always some tune running around in my head. -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_8162_29957201.1210944688442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    > No way!  Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's on.

    >Absolutely!  Billy is one of my guilty pleasures, due mostly to Steve.
    >Sigh, now I can't get the guitar riff from "Eyes Without a Face" out
    >of my head.  Ah the 80's.  I wonder if my parachute pants still fit...

    Steve's work on the  Bozzio, Levin, Stevens CDs is outstanding.

    A friend of mine asked me if I I always have music running through my head, and I have to say 'Yes.'
    I never really thought about it, but I do.  There's always some tune running around in my head. 

    --
    -==-=-=-
    Tony ------=_Part_8162_29957201.1210944688442-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 14:19:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CA323BE99; Fri, 16 May 2008 14:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:19:21 -0400 References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-McD7.A.qyG.sfZLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:19:24 +0000 (UTC) All sorts of things used to be cheating. Capos, Amplifiers, Effects, LOOPERS! Its all good. Do what you gotta do to entertain. It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress other musicians. If I wanted to pass muster with other musicians, I'd play fusion. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:45:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C0DA3BE93; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:45:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 330 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:45:33 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1X506H_e5CMA:10 a=zPxyI7NBBUa+gOqzkB0MYw==:17 a=PZ8bIqTAeZWWRmJ0GzAA:9 a=VYatLSnd20lG5ZxtPIAA:7 a=vd9newIW-1bP5YgaA7D56xEq2MQA:4 a=cF_6qAr0opQA:10 a=ZUCc8-J6hhAA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 a=vG3TT4dtnVi6PuJ9K5EA:7 a=hcIr5gQ9hvrFPXhA6UuwmO7zajkA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:39:53 +0000 Message-Id: <051620081539.22097.482DAAC900001DFF0000565122155670740196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22097_1210952393_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:45:33 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22097_1210952393_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You can cheat on your wife or your girlfriend, or on a test, or on your taxes, or in a game or contest. A public performance is a collection of mitigating factors in which the audience is more likely to "cheat" itself out of what could be possible for that event through talking, coughing, photo taking, drinking or just ignoring what's really happening in the moment. And as an audience member am I entitled to "more" of whatever I paid for if I pay $165 a ticket to see Madonna as opposed to say $18 to see The Bad Plus? I sat in the nosebleed section for the last Peter Gabriel tour show here, behind a woman who asked at least a dozen times during the show(during the songs) if this song was "Red Rain". You couldn't cheat this person out of anything cause they had no clue what to expect period (except a version of Red Rain, if she could recognize it). Live music is a gamble for all concerened. If Bob Ross was still alive I'd love to see a "Joy of Painting" tour just to see if an audience of visual artists and fans could behave any better than your average music crowd given the nature of a "live performance". And if he stretches and pre-coats his canvas before showtime, did that "cheat" the audience out of some aspect of his work which their purchase of a ticket entitled them to experience? If that's the case you should open the show with preparing your instrument (say new strings, reeds,etc.) and playing scales to warm up.To quote Neil Innes "I've sufferd for my music now it's your turn" Amen brothe r! bryan helm -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com at-the-helm.us -------------- Original message -------------- From: Chris Sewell > All sorts of things used to be cheating. Capos, Amplifiers, Effects, > LOOPERS! Its all good. Do what you gotta do to entertain. It's friggin > show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress other musicians. > If I wanted to pass muster with other musicians, I'd play fusion. > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22097_1210952393_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    You can cheat on your wife or your girlfriend, or on a test, or on your taxes, or in a game or contest.
    A public performance is a collection of mitigating factors in which the audience is more likely to "cheat" itself out of what could be possible for that event through talking, coughing, photo taking, drinking or just ignoring what's really happening in the moment. And as an audience member am I entitled to "more" of whatever I paid for if I pay $165 a ticket to see Madonna as opposed to say $18 to see The Bad Plus?
    I sat in the nosebleed section for the last Peter Gabriel tour show here, behind a woman who asked at least a dozen times during the show(during the songs) if this song was "Red Rain". You couldn't cheat this person out of anything cause they had no clue what to expect period (except a version of Red Rain, if she could recognize it). Live music is a gamble for all concerened. If Bob Ross was still alive I'd love to see a "Joy of Painting" tour just to see if an audience of visual artists and fans could behave any better than your average music crowd given the nature of a "live performance". And if he stretches and pre-coats his canvas before showtime, did that "cheat" the audience out of some aspect of his work which their purchase of a ticket entitled them to experience? If that's the case you should open the show with preparing your instrument (say new strings, reeds,etc.) and playing scales to warm up.To quote Neil Innes "I've sufferd for my music now it's your turn" Amen brother!
     
                                                                            bryan helm
     
     
     
    --
    Music and Mosaics
    bryanhelm.wordpress.com
    at-the-helm.us
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>

    > All sorts of things used to be cheating. Capos, Amplifiers, Effects,
    > LOOPERS! Its all good. Do what you gotta do to entertain. It's friggin
    > show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress other musicians.
    > If I wanted to pass muster with other musicians, I'd play fusion.
    >
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22097_1210952393_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 15:54:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C35073BEB2; Fri, 16 May 2008 15:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:54:47 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress > other musicians. To impress an audience might be entertaining, but its not the job of an artist to entertain. (Those are called entertainers...) The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with your personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an audience of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 16:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDEAF3BEA6; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <74BD1E8C-0A34-426A-A0DF-5DE77D327226@tuninghawaii.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: TENORI-ON Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:08:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c8b76f$1d2c3b30$5784b190$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8B734.70CD6330" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci3IwEVKkqVE9NsSDaTf6s1XrCXawAS/5UQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:08:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8B734.70CD6330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A good review from Sept 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1o0w7vkfU &feature=related anyone know if there have been updates/improvements since then? Anyone tried one of these? -Qua From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:04 AM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: TENORI-ON Subject: TENORI-ON Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SGwDhKTr sharanam1008@hotmail.com _____ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. Learn more. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8B734.70CD6330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    A good review from Sept 2007

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXe1o0w7vkfU&feature=3Drelated=

     

    anyone know if there have been updates/improvements since then?     Anyone tried one of = these?

     

    -Qua

     

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    Subject: TENORI-ON
    Date: Thu, 15 May 2008
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_SGwDhKTrsharanam1008@hotmail.com

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8B734.70CD6330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 16:55:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3751F3BE8D; Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:54:22 -0500 Subject: RE: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Thread-Topic: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA Thread-Index: Aci23xOsafkUP9KyT16cG9/KbQ6XagAlhbPQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E057BC@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E056F4@barq.sailpoint.com> <482CC000.4050301@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <482CC000.4050301@mhorse.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:55:05 +0000 (UTC) > I thought it was higher wattage, though, with two 150-watt > amps as opposed to the MSR's which are 100-watt? How heavy is the mixer, > would you say? You're right. For some reason I thought it was 150W total but it's 150x2 which I guess would explain the name "Stagepas 300". Duh. When detached the mixer is about the size of a Harry Potter novel. Maybe an inch taller, about the same width, about 3 inches deep. I don't have a scale handy but it's more than a pound, less than five. Lighter than any laptop I've owned. One word of caution, download the manual and make sure the mixer will do what you want. In my case I can't use it as a looping mixer because I need to create a mix to send into the looper then send the looper out through the PA. Since there is only one bus, you can't have the looper sending to the mixer without the looper's output being sent back to itself, creating a feedback loop. What you need is something like what Mackie calls the "Mute/Alt" bus. None of the mixer/speaker packages I found in this price range could do that. So, I do the interesting mixing with a MOTU Ultralite and just send a single stereo feed to the Stagepas mixer. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B2FC3BEA6; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482DBE36.9080304@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:02:46 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:02:55 +0000 (UTC) hey Duke, hehehe...oh yes, I know about the visa runs. We're actually "legal" now with official residence visas, but we have friends who always use it as a great excuse to go to Guatemala or Belize. sometimes I regret not having the excuse...! thanks for the notes on the CM-30. Most of the time, I'll be running just nylon-string guitar through the system, but sometimes vocals, and sometimes also cassette loops which more-or-less can cover the whole frequency range (at least on the low side). I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with a Yamaha system, either the Stagepas or the single MSR-100, both of which involve an 8" woofer, horn, and bi-amped 100 or 150 watts per speaker. In going through the process of choosing, I've decided I want to get something as expandable and flexible as possible, in case the situation comes where I need to run a couple of people through it, for instance an acoustic bassist or key player. The Yamahas seem to have the best chance of reproducing that stuff, while still being very small. Plus I've fallen in love with the detachable powered mixer that comes with the Stagepas - I might be able just to fly around with that alone and leave the speakers in strategic places, which is the most portable solution of anything. I do have a Micro Cube and am amazed at how loud and clean it can be, for having only 5 watts. If it were guitar alone I needed to support, I'd probably go with a CM-30 no contest, for the cost/headroom/size ratio. thanks much - hope the Korean gimbap was kind to you. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hey Daryl! > > Sorry for the late reply, but we were off in Korea on a "visa run". > (If there's anybody else from the Loopy list that would know the > definition of that term, then I'm sure it's you). > > I saw you mention the Roland CM-30 Cube Monitors in your original > post. I've got a pair of these that I use in a 2.1 setup along with a > Gemini 12" powered monitor. I was wondering: how much low end do you > need to reproduce for your purposes? The Roland's sound great and > have a very good frequency response all the way down through the low > mids, but their bass is fairly crippled -- which is why I supplemented > mine with a powered sub. They have a pretty hefty rolloff below around > 200 Hz, and practically nothing below around 60-80 Hz. But, with a 5" > woofer, you can't expect a whole lot of low end response. > > However, if you're just using them with your acoustic, I think they > may be worth taking a look. They're extremely portable; I can easily > lift both of mine with just one arm. There are a lot of I/O options, > and They're a lot louder than you might think, with low distortion, > and, if you can live without the bass response, reproduce tones nicely. > > Just another $.02 to consider. Regardless, hope things are going well > and good luck!!! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 286F33BEA0; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482DBFEF.1090903@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:10:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mackie SRM150 / tiny PA References: <009501c8b54a$89ae7ba0$8501a8c0@looppool> <482A8072.4020104@mhorse.com> <482C747A.6050600@mhorse.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E056F4@barq.sailpoint.com> <482CC000.4050301@mhorse.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E057BC@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144278E057BC@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Wow, this mixer sounds absolutely perfect, sizewise. Impressive to get a couple of power amps in something that light. Thanks for checking it out and the note on the limited mixing capabilities. My mixing needs are simple, since my looping involves an all-in-one four-track I already have subloops taken care of and I'm just sending out a mono (sometimes stereo) signal to the mains. I could mix everything in the four-track of course, but for the times when I'm not looping (shh...) or when I want to have vocals or another instrument separate from the loops this will do me right. appreciated, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> I thought it was higher wattage, though, with two 150-watt >> amps as opposed to the MSR's which are 100-watt? How heavy is the mixer, >> would you say? >> > > You're right. For some reason I thought it was 150W total but it's > 150x2 which I guess would explain the name "Stagepas 300". Duh. > > When detached the mixer is about the size of a Harry Potter novel. > Maybe an inch taller, about the same width, about 3 inches deep. I > don't have a scale handy but it's more than a pound, less than five. > Lighter than any laptop I've owned. > > One word of caution, download the manual and make sure the mixer will > do what you want. In my case I can't use it as a looping mixer > because I need to create a mix to send into the looper then send the > looper out through the PA. Since there is only one bus, you can't > have the looper sending to the mixer without the looper's output being > sent back to itself, creating a feedback loop. What you need is > something like what Mackie calls the "Mute/Alt" bus. None of the > mixer/speaker packages I found in this price range could do that. > > So, I do the interesting mixing with a MOTU Ultralite and just send > a single stereo feed to the Stagepas mixer. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:17:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C2A03BEA6; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 372 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:37 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 365724.7382.bm@omp107.mail.mud.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=M4nWbaeeIK/t6njyvbNRZH7BZOhPgZnEH/EozwyDQif4ERC2QeVAHMv4IzLL21KNUfg+4dVbS1FRWuZP0tgaw6MwhCsMH6wTm9s1hP3TKg5IpM0pF/ozxXINXNirAcyHwQrXV9V272138jB0rxewQzYcHcE6gMIDKq1ezznKGVk=; X-YMail-OSG: ZAPfGsAVM1n0LlE01FytFwk938Kp4e.8_00gPdM.grLSHC7nHhDb7m.MW7DTgBZbHOiFLsSh.PNnucFQs3O.l8IUUq.Rod4sFQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: E Gross Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1616636438-1210957882=:37160" Message-ID: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1616636438-1210957882=:37160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All, I am new to this list, have been reading posts for the last month. Still coming up to speed with looping and what path my looping should take. This thread brings up some of my inner conversations. I have a lot of fun creating a loop and jamming for 30 or 60 minutes, while(hopefully) continuously modifying the loop( for me, this is what seperates the boys from the men when looping, and right now I am just a boy). But when I think of whether my neighbors will like it, probably most of them would get bored with it. I don't know if it is just an American thing, but it I'll bet if it is longer than 5 minutes they will lose interest. So I have also been working on duplicating recognizable songs in real time so that I can please the neighbors. I still haven't tried any of this out on them yet, it will be interesting to see what gets a better reception.... The interesting for me in this thread is that I have never considered using anything pre-recorded.....that opens up a whole new world of possibilities...... For me, looping is like a meditation, it is only when I have finished that I realize how much time has passed. E ----- Original Message ---- From: Stefan Tiedje To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:54:47 AM Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Chris Sewell schrieb: > It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress > other musicians. To impress an audience might be entertaining, but its not the job of an artist to entertain. (Those are called entertainers...) The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with your personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an audience of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com --0-1616636438-1210957882=:37160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

    Hi All,

     

    I am new to this list, have been reading posts for the last month. Still coming up to speed with looping and what path my looping should take.

     

    This thread brings up some of my inner conversations. I have a lot of fun creating a loop and jamming for 30 or 60 minutes, while(hopefully) continuously modifying the loop( for me, this is what seperates the boys from the men when looping, and right now I am just a boy). But when I think of whether my neighbors will like it, probably most of them would get bored with it. I don't know if it is just an American thing, but it I'll bet if it is longer than 5 minutes they will lose interest. So I have also been working on duplicating recognizable songs in real time so that I can please the neighbors. I still haven't tried any of this out on them yet, it will be interesting to see what gets a better reception....

     

    The interesting for me in this thread is that I have never considered using anything pre-recorded.....that opens up a whole new world of possibilities......

     

    For me, looping is like a meditation, it is only when I have finished that I realize how much time has passed.

     

    E

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:54:47 AM
    Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating

    Chris Sewell schrieb:
    > It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress
    > other musicians.

    To impress an audience might be entertaining, but its not the job of an
    artist to entertain. (Those are called entertainers...)
    The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with your
    personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an audience of
    musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding...

    Stefan

    --
    Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
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    --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
    -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
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    --0-1616636438-1210957882=:37160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:43:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D1F3BE92; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <482DC7AE.1090200@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:43:10 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jungle beatz (WAS is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating) References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:43:22 +0000 (UTC) I love this so much. It's a fascinating example of the give-and-take between technology and human musicians, in this case working the opposite direction from the norm. People use the limitless capabilities of machines to create things hitherto impossible or unthought of by human drummers, and while I'm not necessarily a jungle fan, I adore the result when a human then emulates the style. Tom Rainey will do this sometimes, on Torn's "Prezens" for example. There's also a guy I went to music school with named Johnny Rabb (the "fastest drummer in the world", supposedly) who shows obvious influence from the machines in his setup and style. I gotta hear your kit! There's something elusively distinctive about the jungle beats I'm still trying to figure out. What is it, technically speaking? The asymmetrical rests, combined with extremely fast groups? I mentioned Veronica May last week (http://www.myspace.com/veronicamay), she has a tune called Sandpaper that manages to evoke the feel within a bar, just tapping on a guitar body. On the other topic, I'm listening to Reich's "It's Gonna Rain" right now on headphones...a near-static loop...that completely fascinates. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I have just loved that the technique of forward thinking drummers in recent > years has soared because they have purposefully tried to emulate the > seemingly impossible computer cutups of styles like Jungle and D and B. > > Indeed, I have worked hard on creating a drumset that has three tiny > (6",8",10"= snares, 8" hihats and little 12" and 14" kick drums on one side > (to emulate pitching up a drumset an octave on a sampler) and a 26" kick, > huge 16" hi hats and a deep 10" X 14" 'coliseum' snare drum, all tuned > extremely flabby and flat to simulate pitching a drumset down an octave > (jungle meets half speed trip hop). > > Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because > I'm a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the really > minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly like > this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:46:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03733BEA6; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lN3EEOc+i1uik5204w8l4ZIUqT4QurbtSQdxTvqTgU4=; b=GnGiOWT+hvY6UNSGFb26/o6WRqTXo+5iLq19Rj7uUPnaGaE/YNx0VildZPUlTixpqW7aku4Fmzaqw2R5rHzBewJfbk26KJ3FwDBZGiHstXJbtiRw6+TDv69xaStzUDk0bGGo2boSG7B5FcSYKimDKaCGAlqgq09wx8xXX8VTEGc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=geiUdLrwGN6ZmLoaDhNE8lsUGPNXnqTdNKZs6jO2ar0V2cKnO7X0JnAcLrHJ2gUGUzlSpGEA0krC45yQxxZkFSjLGxvE9Jkm0lV5SPOZpXXqX5kx8HVVC5SpJLIvemyqm7FB7FKkyI0K9fogNXBAIcnDz1F8+eiYPZYnZjoVssg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:46:29 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating In-Reply-To: <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12374_23602945.1210959989828" References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12374_23602945.1210959989828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In that case, the drum machine was not there to replace a real drummer! I'm all ok with using drum machines, if it's because that's the sound you want to use. I'll go into really grey area and say I also think it's ok to play an unaltered drum loop, but occasionally hit some drum pads to make it sound like you're doing fills. I never claimed my opinions were logical! :) Matt On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Rick Walker imitated Matt Davignon in a cartoon voice: > "Things that are not OK: > .......Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer." Then went: > > Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer is > completely okay with me as an example. > > The first time I saw Ultravox live in the late 70's there drummer > was playing a kick, snare, hi hat and cymbal (unbelievably and shockingly > minimal in the era of huge concert tome drum sets in the Reagan 70's) > and he was only playing half of the beat. The other half was played by > a Roland CR-78 analogue drum machine (the first programmable analogue drum > machine) that was playing ridiculously minimal and repetitive drum beats. ------=_Part_12374_23602945.1210959989828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In that case, the drum machine was not there to replace a real drummer! I'm all ok with using drum machines, if it's because that's the sound you want to use.

    I'll go into really grey area and say I also think it's ok to play an unaltered drum loop, but occasionally hit some drum pads to make it sound like you're doing fills.

    I never claimed my opinions were logical! :)

    Matt

    On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Rick Walker imitated Matt Davignon in a cartoon voice:
    "Things that are not OK:
    .......Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer."

    Then went: 

    Using an automated drum machine to replace a real drummer is
    completely okay with me as an example.

    The first time I saw Ultravox live in the late 70's  there drummer
    was playing a kick, snare, hi hat and cymbal (unbelievably and shockingly
    minimal in the era of huge concert tome drum sets in the Reagan 70's)
    and he was only playing half of the beat.  The other half was played by
    a Roland CR-78 analogue drum machine (the first programmable analogue drum
    machine) that was playing ridiculously minimal and repetitive drum beats.

    ------=_Part_12374_23602945.1210959989828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:46:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58F13BEB6; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:35:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:46:50 +0000 (UTC) I never, ever pre-record. And I worry about my loop pieces going on too long, but they have to evolve in their own time. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 17:57:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F903BEB6; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zPPtg0rajujtPsjUN6L8HAJl0w0nqWzBz6U+WbGdlew=; b=NV5uOdNHw0Y0q02dWJwNCIiUw0+8qVjcj3u9jyYUW1Y6INIgXoYND9pvBrOb6PSerjYjFU8FnkY13aViRvbm+nPNie8IjTFrqcfMaJCU6LVzoYas+w+Ox/wZbSmVZRNNj+QVy1daa/WmpqoZejlCbrqNwGfaaknFIlD3iXZ76d0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ufOB69PyETaZG2hU6t/Vv5AIyxCBKNSa8Awo5YXXSHqS3WG4gSWjkzWNwY+1nI2HtZKrdWt58eZx2+F94VB7ax7qQ3X1AwAQIlrQwotzPf39CDUhn4zuf7PnlaBu6q5ICIFN56iJsKXUPDhIKaxfmyxq7vBrCHIQ9mEpbv4NSGA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:57:48 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jungle beatz (WAS is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating) In-Reply-To: <482DC7AE.1090200@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <482DC7AE.1090200@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-sSq4.A.J2F.gscLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Jojo mayer and his Work with the band nerve spring to mind A great drummer who really mastered the technique of imitating d n b style live. There debut album is set for release this year. looking forward to that On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I love this so much. It's a fascinating example of the give-and-take between > technology and human musicians, in this case working the opposite direction > from the norm. People use the limitless capabilities of machines to create > things hitherto impossible or unthought of by human drummers, and while I'm > not necessarily a jungle fan, I adore the result when a human then emulates > the style. Tom Rainey will do this sometimes, on Torn's "Prezens" for > example. There's also a guy I went to music school with named Johnny Rabb > (the "fastest drummer in the world", supposedly) who shows obvious influence > from the machines in his setup and style. > > I gotta hear your kit! > > There's something elusively distinctive about the jungle beats I'm still > trying to figure out. What is it, technically speaking? The asymmetrical > rests, combined with extremely fast groups? I mentioned Veronica May last > week (http://www.myspace.com/veronicamay), she has a tune called Sandpaper > that manages to evoke the feel within a bar, just tapping on a guitar body. > > On the other topic, I'm listening to Reich's "It's Gonna Rain" right now on > headphones...a near-static loop...that completely fascinates. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> I have just loved that the technique of forward thinking drummers in >> recent years has soared because they have purposefully tried to emulate the >> seemingly impossible computer cutups of styles like Jungle and D and B. >> >> Indeed, I have worked hard on creating a drumset that has three tiny >> (6",8",10"= snares, 8" hihats and little 12" and 14" kick drums on one side >> (to emulate pitching up a drumset an octave on a sampler) and a 26" kick, >> huge 16" hi hats and a deep 10" X 14" 'coliseum' snare drum, all tuned >> extremely flabby and flat to simulate pitching a drumset down an octave >> (jungle meets half speed trip hop). >> >> Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because I'm >> a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the really >> minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly like >> this. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 18:05:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAC723BE93; Fri, 16 May 2008 18:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <193BC9DB9CD249D0A1DE8883542B66E4@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: sonic viral infection Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:05:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0059_01C8B787.D68186E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:05:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C8B787.D68186E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Me too. I started noticing it when I my car died and I had to take the = dreaded LA bus system back in 96. Two hours to go 12 miles! I won't = use a Walkman/etc in such treks as when you take a bus through East LA = or Downtown, it's best to pay attention to people around you... and so = at some point I recognized that my brain was giving me what I termed = KSPG, aka my internal radio station. I also found that my composition = efforts picked up at times when running something over and over in your = head like that. And when I moved to the UK without my CD collection = (except by mistake, between Rolling Stones and ZZ Top), KSPG was there = again, reminding me about my memory's capacity and tenacity. [wearing a tshirt from "Spamalot" saying "I'm not dead yet"] and yeah! = on Black Light Syndrome... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: OT: Re: sonic viral infection > No way! Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, no matter what record he's = on. >Absolutely! Billy is one of my guilty pleasures, due mostly to = Steve. >Sigh, now I can't get the guitar riff from "Eyes Without a Face" out >of my head. Ah the 80's. I wonder if my parachute pants still = fit... Steve's work on the Bozzio, Levin, Stevens CDs is outstanding. A friend of mine asked me if I I always have music running through my = head, and I have to say 'Yes.' I never really thought about it, but I do. There's always some tune = running around in my head. =20 --=20 -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D-=20 Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C8B787.D68186E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Me too.  I started noticing it = when I my car=20 died and I had to take the dreaded LA bus system back in 96.  Two = hours to=20 go 12 miles!  I won't use a Walkman/etc in such treks as when you = take a=20 bus through East LA or Downtown, it's best to pay attention to people = around=20 you... and so at some point I recognized that my brain was giving me = what I=20 termed KSPG, aka my internal radio station.  I also found that my=20 composition efforts picked up at times when running something over and = over in=20 your head like that.  And when I moved to the UK without my CD = collection=20 (except by mistake, between Rolling Stones and ZZ Top), KSPG was there = again,=20 reminding me about my memory's capacity and tenacity.
     
    [wearing a tshirt from "Spamalot" = saying "I'm not=20 dead yet"]  and yeah!  on Black Light Syndrome...
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony = K
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:31 = PM
    Subject: OT: Re: sonic viral=20 infection

    > No way!  Steve Stevens just f-ing rocks, = no matter=20 what record he's on.

    >Absolutely!  Billy is one = of my=20 guilty pleasures, due mostly to Steve.
    >Sigh, now I can't get = the guitar=20 riff from "Eyes Without a Face" out
    >of my head.  Ah the = 80's.=20  I wonder if my parachute pants still fit...

    Steve's work on the  Bozzio, Levin, = Stevens CDs=20 is outstanding.

    A friend of mine asked me if I I always have = music=20 running through my head, and I have to say 'Yes.'
    I never really = thought=20 about it, but I do.  There's always some tune running around in = my=20 head. 

    --
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    Tony =
    ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C8B787.D68186E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 20:20:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCD743BE94; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 654 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:20:17 UTC From: "Luk Van Lieshout" To: References: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:09:17 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c8b790$b875ca40$6401a8c0@joyce> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 thread-index: Aci3fNIs9Xxz+2Q6TPekJIJ0TTcu/gADNTGQ Resent-Message-ID: <-Ta7tC.A.-_.ByeLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Hello Loopers all over the World, I'm Luk (33 y.o.) I play electric guitar in various styles. This is my first post to you. Respect. I just recently bought me a Digitech Jamman, because after yet again seeing a band breaking up where I play in I've gotten dissappointed in making Music as a groupeffort. When looping I can avoid having to depend on other people that often turn out to be quitters. I would choose to be using pre-recorded tracks/loops in order to not having to bore people having to see me recording every part live on stage. For example... when I buy a pie I don't want to see all the stages of making it,... but I want to enjoy the finished product as it is ment to be enjoyed. Have a look at these video's... I think they prove my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdkLmOOnBCU and ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQej5bUWTsg Any -Joe- can see they're playing to a pre-recorded backing track. But does anyone really mind?? Just don't pretend to play everything yourselve when you are not. Then you are cheating people. I think these guys prove there is nothing wrong with using pre recorded backing tracks/loops when you're a true musician who knows what Music is all about. The only problem I see is that it might get boring for non-musicians. But hey... you can't please everyone. Peacefull greetings from Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium, Europe , Earth , Infinity Luk Van Lieshout www.swingbee.be www.ilovefender.be -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: David Gans [mailto:david@trufun.com] Verzonden: vrijdag 16 mei 2008 19:35 Aan: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Onderwerp: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating I never, ever pre-record. And I worry about my loop pieces going on too long, but they have to evolve in their own time. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 15-5-2008 7:24 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 20:29:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2E843BE93; Fri, 16 May 2008 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c8b793$82a05400$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002f01c8b790$b875ca40$6401a8c0@joyce> Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:28:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX196ZippFOgad0Pu5+fAnT742Qcq6aYJdeRQSFg lwuXvOTOlIFTYDx7ZDG7o/uTONbYw1/GNHHgGZ9jOWv4FKs3tZ kcY/KjDEc4pdOkG/sWL+sGb1/r/4ed2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:29:14 +0000 (UTC) > For example... when I buy a pie I don't want to see all the stages of > making > it,... but I want to enjoy the finished product as it is ment to be > enjoyed. maybe you should check out the following beatbox kitchen vid. some great baking here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7GGkKpBR-g From ali_issa3@earthlink.net Fri May 16 21:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 823 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:31:53 UTC Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935773BE88 for ; Fri, 16 May 2008 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RAdbV5+E4z8qesyJQxaBj54UGD0DtuWF4nTdIvVf9s7ADw9eqpWTFMRrRqRDjcvz; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Jx7JB-0007kA-VU; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:46 -0400 Received: from 196.28.246.31 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6786376.1210972665389.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:17:45 +0200 (GMT+02:00) From: ali issa Reply-To: ali issa Subject: waiting to hear from you. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 22:04:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAB543BE90; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2184 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 16 May 2008 22:04:18 UTC Message-Id: <09190A6C-160B-43A7-82B3-9CCAC69BF55C@mikecrain.com> From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:27:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:04:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm all for the musicality of the performance. It doesn't matter to me if you use Loops that are pre-recorded. It's like pre-composition; most of us have some sort of idea in regards to what we are going to do on stage in 'the moment.' however, I wouldn't want to sound like any distinctive loop given in the presets of any application. I recently heard one of a dance group in Bali through a friend of mine and it was a loop from GarageBand!!!!! Yeah, the lame guitar one if you're familiar with it. It was actually quite funny, and completely brought the overall performance vibe down for me, and most probably had no idea. Poor taste IMHO. When everyone is using the same tools, where is the creativity? Spice it up a bit, I say. One can use those loops, but alter and make it your own. You're a 'musical chef' with many options for tools. Use them. And that goes for click tracks too. Why not? If we can use drum loops that we create in a live situation or in the comfort of our studios to be used in a performance setting, whether it enhances the sound or provides cues, what is the difference? Okay . .. you hearing the same thing as the audience, but it's still a click track of sorts. Is that cheating? I don't think so. If it helps you to stay synced with simple or complex rhythmic ideas or facilitates and enhances the performance then do it. It can still be musical and interesting. Even at that, playing with a click is not that easy. Edmund Campion, 'classical' composer at CNMAT, composes super complex pieces that are nowhere near the Looping World, but all require a click track. His stuff is amazing and probably impossible without a click. Hmmmm . .. . maybe I should attempt it? Great thread you guys!!! Fabulous ideas are spawning!! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 16 23:51:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78DE83BE90; Fri, 16 May 2008 23:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=C8lqfKjtux4pVTDulpF+GCizeR098PVtFiSXguWYqC0=; b=u6izbmRxv6P22V7Ca3lepzR52vHABwOea0eaAndsm8uofs/AE1joLDVt0GKstdzCJhvMKn1u+XH7gybgfPSyQ7DPCZ+dw+WBj4XtDa7ZlLzTVG6Sn0gZthvfU2d+0aPNr9G8jq5P2L2g7yiE418UpSsvTEfRWtcW97Ad1XbJYug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U1APx2mJRxB9vtljip05OT4hRYh0CzqofeSTP7YtdyvKGfIdqxHwOYit+SDEJrzESkCJAnfrXXtSB5NG6DBneJO4DhdlR1ftTXA1rqmVOKgAuQ29IkWZCoSmEQzmbcPQZ5NaA7MF4qRQy1uP7qBu/6xDc91dHwXSyuLBtKUvCTU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:51:09 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating In-Reply-To: <002f01c8b790$b875ca40$6401a8c0@joyce> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11780_17773420.1210981869905" References: <802032.37160.qm@web45916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <002f01c8b790$b875ca40$6401a8c0@joyce> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:51:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11780_17773420.1210981869905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Luk, Thanks for your thoughtful post. I'm seeing interesting insights from a lot of people. I like your pie analogy, so I'm going to take it a little further. If a band is a pie, let's say the drummer is a crust, the bassist is whipped cream and the guitarist is strawberries. A solo guitarist doesn't have all the ingredients, so he takes a picture of a crust, and takes a picture of whipped cream. If you hold the photos up next to the strawberries, it might look tasty, but it won't actually taste very good unless you pick out the photos. Likewise, when a musician performs with backing tracks, I find myself trying to tune out the stuff that's not actually happening on stage. It just gets in the way. I'd rather just have the strawberries. or a mouth full of whipped cream. Yum. So anyway, if you don't want to deal with other musicians, I understand, but does every musical performance really need to have drum sounds? Matt On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Luk Van Lieshout < Luk.van.lieshout@telenet.be> wrote: > > Hello Loopers all over the World, > > I'm Luk (33 y.o.) I play electric guitar in various styles. > This is my first post to you. Respect. > > I just recently bought me a Digitech Jamman, because after yet again seeing > a band breaking up where I play in I've gotten dissappointed in making > Music > as a groupeffort. > > When looping I can avoid having to depend on other people that often turn > out to be quitters. > > I would choose to be using pre-recorded tracks/loops in order to not having > to bore people having to see me recording every part live on stage. > > For example... when I buy a pie I don't want to see all the stages of > making > it,... but I want to enjoy the finished product as it is ment to be > enjoyed. > > Have a look at these video's... I think they prove my point. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdkLmOOnBCU > > and ... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQej5bUWTsg > > > Any -Joe- can see they're playing to a pre-recorded backing track. > But does anyone really mind?? Just don't pretend to play everything > yourselve when you are not. Then you are cheating people. > > I think these guys prove there is nothing wrong with using pre recorded > backing tracks/loops when you're a true musician who knows what Music is > all > about. > > The only problem I see is that it might get boring for non-musicians. > But hey... you can't please everyone. > > > Peacefull greetings from Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium, Europe , Earth , > Infinity > > > > Luk Van Lieshout > www.swingbee.be > www.ilovefender.be > ------=_Part_11780_17773420.1210981869905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Luk,

    Thanks for your thoughtful post. I'm seeing interesting insights from a lot of people. I like your pie analogy, so I'm going to take it a little further.

    If a band is a pie, let's say the drummer is a crust, the bassist is whipped cream and the guitarist is strawberries. A solo guitarist doesn't have all the ingredients, so he takes a picture of a crust, and takes a picture of whipped cream. If you hold the photos up next to the strawberries, it might look tasty, but it won't actually taste very good unless you pick out the photos. Likewise, when a musician performs with backing tracks, I find myself trying to tune out the stuff that's not actually happening on stage. It just gets in the way. I'd rather just have the strawberries.

    or a mouth full of whipped cream. Yum.

    So anyway, if you don't want to deal with other musicians, I understand, but does every musical performance really need to have drum sounds?

    Matt

    On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Luk Van Lieshout <Luk.van.lieshout@telenet.be> wrote:

    Hello Loopers all over the World,

    I'm Luk (33 y.o.) I play electric guitar in various styles.
    This is my first post to you.  Respect.

    I just recently bought me a Digitech Jamman, because after yet again seeing
    a band breaking up where I play in I've gotten dissappointed in making Music
    as a groupeffort.

    When looping I can avoid having to depend on other people that often turn
    out to be quitters.

    I would choose to be using pre-recorded tracks/loops in order to not having
    to bore people having to see me recording every part live on stage.

    For example... when I buy a pie I don't want to see all the stages of making
    it,... but I want to enjoy the finished product as it is ment to be enjoyed.

    Have a look at these video's... I think they prove my point.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdkLmOOnBCU

    and ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQej5bUWTsg


    Any -Joe- can see they're playing to a pre-recorded backing track.
    But does anyone really mind??  Just don't pretend to play everything
    yourselve when you are not. Then you are cheating people.

    I think these guys prove there is nothing wrong with using pre recorded
    backing tracks/loops when you're a true musician who knows what Music is all
    about.

    The only problem I see is that it might get boring for non-musicians.
    But hey... you can't please everyone.


    Peacefull greetings from Antwerp, Flanders, Belgium, Europe , Earth ,
    Infinity



    Luk Van Lieshout
    www.swingbee.be
    www.ilovefender.be

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To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080514214452.239500@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <766780.40570.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3uB7WB.A.cEC.tPuLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:55:57 +0000 (UTC) here is my favorite king cheater of all, one running boring drum loop in the background and he dont know how to loop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4yt3rH6lcQ how come he gets away with it? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 14:02:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778A33BEA6; Sat, 17 May 2008 14:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 10:03:05 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #580 for May 15, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <482EE599.1070404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:02:37 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080515.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. 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Playing for musicians is about feeding ones ego. Reaching the unreachable is far more gratifying. On May 16, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress >> other musicians. > > To impress an audience might be entertaining, but its not the job of > an artist to entertain. (Those are called entertainers...) > The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with your > personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an > audience of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 15:39:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916263BE90; Sat, 17 May 2008 15:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RcJJD+3fS9ru37o5m6A0+WZXMCSVRw3kHhwlu3CxWzy4lyOY+FADh4qVpj6eqcXjySxZOy5DJJE1uulfk9OLhL6Dkd8iCaezhNLfuAVm1y01Wxm5jU4w/bf+w0OEiuKSvWJUSL1uIhQ7lVSdqpJOiLva5jwpu7rS503kHjs+KwA=; X-YMail-OSG: 1f1Bxo4VM1m3.01QNthZ2dTjv4i3uJKscdIvYC4CVlRQM65QFxbk7FByOwdsQObn1qdSgyaw22_dk61V6jX0CmRtEOFRdBBax9_rjsDU63wv4Jf9gXdmgV85POg- Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: OT: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080514194643.15C403BF4A@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <168029.129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:39:04 +0000 (UTC) oh man i know this viruses, i recently heard at a store "wake me up before you go" by George Michael and i couldnt get that fuckin worm out of my head,tossing and turning at night sweating not being able to sleep properly,i developed a swollen throat with chills and fever for a few days afterwards and i am very sure it had something to do with it Luis --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > I recommend Captain Beefheart, all recordings up to > and including Clear > Spot. Of course, a prescription is required; see > your doctor. > > dave > > From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com] > > > Ear worms ... and Barry Manilow ("Her name was Lola, > she danced ...") > is among the worst. > > > > > > > > > > > I recently attended an event where I was exposed > to several verses of the > > "you are my hero" song. Soon I realized that I > had been infected and the > > viral nature of the song had taken hold. I kept > playing in my mind and my > > stomach was upset. Fortunately, a heavy dose of > David Torn knocked it > > out. I feel much better now ;-) > > > > > > > > Have you recently experienced such sonic viruses? > What treatment worked > > for you? > > > > > > > > -Qua > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 15:52:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CD453BE99; Sat, 17 May 2008 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 962973.72238.bm@omp400.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=I9aCSm0MQrc7YLGltCiMHPJHwL4dlpet+TZvN5Ap6Sklo579cD0rkZtHHjJcn8ZO8/XjDzC3ugBQZHTiOPRFNh7cj+dgsmhOWn/0Pvp2mzq1TjXNy2WYaEcZjdc2DiAIuKM5rNHlFX5prKtUhXiL52rx1VF0ZWwe4PX5Qiy694Y=; X-YMail-OSG: 89WQitkVM1mDFu32UEJZtt40_pQU.lEsEMFQRFHgFv4e7J9tK8jw0FURyjvrZ2ivp04lconD5mzb X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jah Jast Reply-To: jast81@yahoo.com Subject: RE: OT: sonic viral infection To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <168029.129.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <798170.80670.qm@web45903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Well done... Loooooool!!! --- On Sat, 5/17/08, L.A. Angulo wrote: > From: L.A. Angulo > Subject: RE: OT: sonic viral infection > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, May 17, 2008, 3:39 PM > oh man i know this viruses, i recently heard at a > store "wake me up before you go" by George > Michael and > i couldnt get that fuckin worm out of my head,tossing > and turning at night sweating not being able to sleep > properly,i developed a swollen throat with chills and > fever for a few days afterwards and i am very sure it > had something to do with it > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 16:06:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB833BEB2; Sat, 17 May 2008 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ktyFeCYF6oyO2r27W6Zys7QaS+NXHb26RXGZOpZaG6gX76RI60tC8KjD/1iyRuaG00CDxnPboy88s6qLm8F5opoDFw89z9/apFvXVqZ6mLxk/lIaluq5rP3VOUBPBSREpNCfys/5esAhtwEGT8GVkk/9ZcGlaqzNb9mecX78CV0=; X-YMail-OSG: smYKzMgVM1mLpfXfDsXn21pfy.7V.ySiQQ.RLA.YkjkhDjYSmaHNGG975H28UP0vJ3Dg1DSFqoDMSQ_.ta2DDTBJxximaOnINT1e13PSnlRWKjC6q_lubBg8qGIUcmRLMziLuQ-- Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 09:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <340581.66977.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_BhzNC.A.ZeB.iKwLIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) so while we are on this topic,are there any really groovy drum loops out there made specially for solo live musicians? a lot of them on the net ive come across seem very hip hop cliche,or too abnoxious to use live with my acoustic guitar,and iver never dared to use them live anyway.I am also interested in the perfect compact matching drum machine sampler companion for us loopers with already busy hands.it should essentially be small,do track mute,next sequence, control efx through exp pedal,slow,speed,start,stop etc.all via Midi.In fact i bought my MPC1000 for that purpose but it never felt intuitive enough for me to use a live situation,although is a fun box i find it very limited Midi wise.Recently i just make my drum loops live with my amplified cajon,but sometimes i dont want to go through the building up proccess and just trigger something groovy to acompany my already building ambient loops. As far as loops go i am specially interested in a lot of those lo-fi,spy down beat retro sounding used by lounge artists,or pop ones like the ones Beck uses as well. cheers Luis --- Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > good questions. > as long as you make it interesting i don't care how > you do it. > > when live looping i don't use pre rec material. > few months ago someone started a funny marketplace > atmo in a looping session > unexpectedly. > that was such a nice moment - it justified as > valuable immediately. > > tilmann > > ps: i also work with ableton in a project that's > 50/50 prerecorded loops. > wouldn't call that live looping, though. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:42 PM > Subject: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? > > > > Hi folks > > > > here is a topic I find quite controversial: > > When doing live looping, do you find it > uncool/immoral if you see somebody > > performing with some pre-recorded loops? > > > > I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't > mind that much, as long > > as it serves an artistically credible music > performance. > > > > I just wanted to hear your opinions: > > Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using > some pre-recorded loops > > (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his > performance? > > Or do you think he might as well just sing > karaoke? ;-) > > > > Best regards > > Buzap > > > > -- > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? 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Being an "entertainer" is about "ego" (fashion, style, false show-biz=20 ethics, hey look at me, I'm a star, worship me, validate me, love me,=20 don't I look good?, watch this next move, I'm so friggin' cool, etc.). And being an "artist" (no matter who is in the audience, or even if=20 there is no audience) is about "reaching the unreachable" - almost an=20 ego-less internal spiritual quest (if it is permissible to use that=20 much overused word). I find it preferable, and perhaps a little easier to play for other=20 musicians and/or "artists" (at least they have a hope of understanding=20= what I am trying to do (and NOT trying to do) and might be motivated to=20= suss out the difference). Playing for the normal "bar crowd" is too often like playing for people=20= with really, really low and very superficial expectations (they just=20 wanna party, get drunk, get laid, or simply be distracted from reality=20= for a while). Nothing particularly wrong with that . . . but that's no more "art"=20 than the paintings of Thomas Kinkade. It's disposable, meaningless fluff . . . it's entertainment. Playing for people who have a little more understanding (going in)=20 whoever they are - be they painters, poets, players, or reference=20 librarians - is an encouragement to do more, do better, to transcend=20 one's self, to be "in the moment" to and create whatever that's in you=20= trying to get out. Now, if they're an audience of pro or semi-pro "entertainers" that=20 would indeed be hard. They are looking strictly to be "impressed" by the form, finesse and=20 appearance . . . and could'nt give a rat's patootie for meaning,=20 content, innovation or other significance. That's what's so sickening about "American Idol" - that's exactly what=20= that show is. It's a bunch of pandering egos looking to slap themselves on their own=20= backsides, or otherwise be stroked and petted and fawned over. 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If its an audience=20= >> of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... >> >> Stefan tEd =AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. 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    ================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 17:55:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055843BEB6; Sat, 17 May 2008 17:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 13:53:30 -0400 References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 17:55:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm going to assume you are using the absolute extremes of both sides =20= of the spectrum to make a point. There's a whole of room in between. =20 Most of us fit comfortably in the middle. A musician playing music in =20= bars for money isn't necessarily an asshole. An "artist" playing for =20= nobody isn't necessarily more talented. My college career at Berklee =20 soured my opinion of musicians music. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy =20= what my wife calls "guy music", Steve Morse, Al Dimeola, etc. (please, =20= before you crucify me for that statement, go to a Steve Morse concert, =20= its ALL dudes) And trust me at school we had conversations just like this until the =20 wee hours of most nights. I just found a roomful of musicians more interested in technique then =20= "art". On May 17, 2008, at 12:25 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Hi there, > > (Fair warning, "old guy" rant about to ensue) > > It's just an opinion (my opinion) Chris . . . however, I have to say =20= > you seem to have it precisely backwards. > > Being an "entertainer" is about "ego" (fashion, style, false show-=20 > biz ethics, hey look at me, I'm a star, worship me, validate me, =20 > love me, don't I look good?, watch this next move, I'm so friggin' =20 > cool, etc.). > > And being an "artist" (no matter who is in the audience, or even if =20= > there is no audience) is about "reaching the unreachable" - almost =20 > an ego-less internal spiritual quest (if it is permissible to use =20 > that much overused word). > > I find it preferable, and perhaps a little easier to play for other =20= > musicians and/or "artists" (at least they have a hope of =20 > understanding what I am trying to do (and NOT trying to do) and =20 > might be motivated to suss out the difference). > > Playing for the normal "bar crowd" is too often like playing for =20 > people with really, really low and very superficial expectations =20 > (they just wanna party, get drunk, get laid, or simply be distracted =20= > from reality for a while). > > Nothing particularly wrong with that . . . but that's no more "art" =20= > than the paintings of Thomas Kinkade. > > It's disposable, meaningless fluff . . . it's entertainment. > > Playing for people who have a little more understanding (going in) =20 > whoever they are - be they painters, poets, players, or reference =20 > librarians - is an encouragement to do more, do better, to transcend =20= > one's self, to be "in the moment" to and create whatever that's in =20 > you trying to get out. > > Now, if they're an audience of pro or semi-pro "entertainers" that =20 > would indeed be hard. > > They are looking strictly to be "impressed" by the form, finesse and =20= > appearance . . . and could'nt give a rat's patootie for meaning, =20 > content, innovation or other significance. > > That's what's so sickening about "American Idol" - that's exactly =20 > what that show is. > > It's a bunch of pandering egos looking to slap themselves on their =20 > own backsides, or otherwise be stroked and petted and fawned over. > > It's so blatant it's nearly obscene. > > It's stuff like that which makes television nearly unwatchable any =20 > more . . . and radio nearly unlistenable. > > It's like our civilization is choking on it's own vomit and still =20 > trying to cram down more. > > Oh well . . . just keep a smile on. > > Somebody cue up some classic rock and set up another round of beers =20= > - rave on! > > Cheers, > > Ted > > On May 17, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> I couldn't disagree more. Playing for musicians is about feeding =20 >> ones ego. Reaching the unreachable is far more gratifying. >> On May 16, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> >>> Chris Sewell schrieb: >>>> It's friggin show business. Our job is to entertain. Not impress >>>> other musicians. >>> >>> To impress an audience might be entertaining, but its not the job =20= >>> of an artist to entertain. (Those are called entertainers...) >>> The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with =20 >>> your personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an =20= >>> audience of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... >>> >>> Stefan > > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things =20 > that you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the =20 > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in =20 > your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain > > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 18:13:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3456C3BEA0; Sat, 17 May 2008 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <340581.66977.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 14:13:50 -0400 References: <340581.66977.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 18:13:55 +0000 (UTC) I use Stylus RMX or BFD Percussion bounced down to audio clips in Live. These are synced up to Sooperlooper. Stylus most likely has the capability to create the loops you are looking for. Its remarkably easy to use. They sound really , really good. On May 17, 2008, at 12:06 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > so while we are on this topic,are there any really > groovy drum loops out there made specially for solo > live musicians? a lot of them on the net ive come > across seem very hip hop cliche,or too abnoxious to > use live with my acoustic guitar,and iver never dared > to use them live anyway.I am also interested in the > perfect compact matching drum machine sampler > companion for us loopers with already busy hands.it > should essentially be small,do track mute,next > sequence, control efx through exp > pedal,slow,speed,start,stop etc.all via Midi.In fact i > bought my MPC1000 for that purpose but it never felt > intuitive enough for me to use a live > situation,although is a fun box i find it very limited > Midi wise.Recently i just make my drum loops live with > my amplified cajon,but sometimes i dont want to go > through the building up proccess and just trigger > something groovy to acompany my already building > ambient loops. > As far as loops go i am specially interested in a lot > of those lo-fi,spy down beat retro sounding used by > lounge artists,or pop ones like the ones Beck uses as > well. > cheers > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> good questions. >> as long as you make it interesting i don't care how >> you do it. >> >> when live looping i don't use pre rec material. >> few months ago someone started a funny marketplace >> atmo in a looping session >> unexpectedly. >> that was such a nice moment - it justified as >> valuable immediately. >> >> tilmann >> >> ps: i also work with ableton in a project that's >> 50/50 prerecorded loops. >> wouldn't call that live looping, though. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:42 PM >> Subject: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? >> >> >>> Hi folks >>> >>> here is a topic I find quite controversial: >>> When doing live looping, do you find it >> uncool/immoral if you see somebody >>> performing with some pre-recorded loops? >>> >>> I was quite dogmatic on this topic but now I don't >> mind that much, as long >>> as it serves an artistically credible music >> performance. >>> >>> I just wanted to hear your opinions: >>> Would you buy into that if you'd see someone using >> some pre-recorded loops >>> (rhythm, electronic, acoustic...) during his >> performance? >>> Or do you think he might as well just sing >> karaoke? ;-) >>> >>> Best regards >>> Buzap >>> >>> -- >>> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 19:30:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266583BEAE; Sat, 17 May 2008 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-817217220 Message-Id: <968a0d12ceb053a4b0a349799a744d05@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:30:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 19:30:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-817217220 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed As you may have noticed by my lack of emails, I'm trying to spend less time writing and doing email and more doing music and pursuing a sustainable life. But this is a great topic and I have a thought: If it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't. Music isn't mathematics or something that can be codified at all. We ALL try to do it - to explain the inexplicable. I remember learning music theory in college and realizing this is what people who aren't standing in the river do. They describe the physics of swimming. But it's just what we do when the Muse isn't speaking to us. When She speaks, it doesn't matter if we're pre recorded, over or under dubbed, playing advanced guitar or primitive digiridoo or what. If the music speaks to the soul and smile etc of the listener (and, more importantly the artist) then we're all, to complete the metaphor, swimming home. Or maybe floating home. So the goal is to draw the listener into the water with us. For some it will be unrehearsed, totally spontaneous, never thought of before stuff and for some it will be completely ironed out highly polished diamonds. I'm guessing most all of us have done both. It's the spirit and inspiration that count. I and I don't think most listeners care HOW the music is made. Musicians of course do care but I still think that's describing swimming. And, as someone so wisely once said, "I don't think any one walks down the street whistling the sound of a $30,000 Telefunken mic." As someone wisely pointed out, even karaoke can turn some folks on. American Idle and all that. Not my cup of tea but I'm too busy to worry about that. We're all evolving at light speed and you gotta start somewhere! To me, really great music is nearly - no - TOTALLY impossible to describe or codify. I recently worked with a new very young artist who is dazzling good. His/our recordings just got a rave hot pick in Spin Magazine. http://www.spin.com/articles/catch-buzz-joe-pug What makes his music and lyrics stand out? I don't know. But I know it when I hear it. And the same applies to loops and loopers etc. I do have my fave loopers and their music has this mystery factor. I have my fave looper pundits and analysts and their minds and passion for purity etc is so fun and really inspiring to read. But that's concepts, and concepts can be crippling when it comes to art and (devil's advocate) concepts can be the key to the highway in art. Plenty artists in the 20s thru the 60s made a big splash with their culturally advanced minds as opposed to their fine art talents. Depends on the level of passion and timing etc. For the record, most conceptual art doesn't speak to me but that doesn't mean it's not wonderful etc. To me, it's intellect. That's something else. Music is like the spiritual world. The people who spend so much time trying to define God (or deny God's existence) are standing by the pool, in pressed slacks and wingtips, dry as a bone, pontificating on the people in the water. Of course God doesn't exist! Just like you can't codify what makes music some music great and some music great background stuff. The difference is intangible! But of course God exists. Just like some music just hits you in the face and knocks you down. If we really knew how it worked, it wouldn't work. So pre recorded or not doesn't matter to me. It's whether the music moves me, stops my mind dead in its tracks. I call it the God Moment. I think it was Thomas Aquinas who first pointed this out. When the mind stops, eternity touches the earth. If it stops long enough and for enough folks, history is made... Hendrix, Dylan, Robert Johnson, Beethoven, Beatles etc. After 40+ years of trying to figure out music and God, I'm realizing that it's all a mischievous paradox that teaches, humbles, mystifies and bamboozles us into pushing forward. For me, if it does that, it's real and it works. The core of the answer is a mystery. I really love how it humbles me. All I really know is, I like the feeling of water on my skin. I've dedicated my life to it. I don't get in the pool all that often, but when I do, all the sit ups and training suddenly seem worth it. So - here's hoping no one sees this as a dis. It isn't. It's the rant of a man who loves music and no longer knows why. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 16-May-08, at 5:57 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Rick Walker : >> >> Matt Davignon wrote: >> "Things that are not OK: >> > The OK/Not OK issue is a test that I apply only to myself. It occurs > to me that what I would consider "cheating" for me (a > composer/performer/improviser) would be "ok" within someone else's > artistic space. > > For every thing that I can think of that I personally wouldn't do, > there is at least one celebrated artist who has done those very > things. > > I have to conclude that the only thing that is not OK for me is to: > try to be someone that I'm not and/or try to be all things to all > people. > > Whether I happen to compose a work that uses my own pre-recorded > material or is entirely live, I simply do what is necessary for me to > realize the result that I want. >> >> John Foxx was really >> interested in emotions and lack of emotions: machines interacting >> with human >> beings. >> > Yes! Yes! Often when I perform a work, I look for a crescendo of > emotion the same as I look for dynamic, tempo, texture, and rhythmic > changes. > > Often times, there is more excitement and tension from "holding back" > than from "giving 100% emotion 100% of the time". >> >> To me, the artificial was far more exotic and enticing. >> > I think the beauty of analog synthesis is its failure to replicate > acoustic instruments. >> >> Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because >> I'm a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the >> really >> minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly >> like >> this. >> > In my looping works, I discovered that not all loops have to be played > by looping hardware. Sometimes I just play the same phrase over and > over in real time. In fact, I try to play it mechanically enough that > it really SOUNDS like a loop. I have found this a most effective > technique. >> >> Personally, I have to confess that the preoccupation of many >> musicians in >> their attempts to never have anything repeated is actually more >> irritating to >> me than the ones who are guily of repeating things over and over. >> > Always a balancing act between repetition vs. meandering. Too much of > either can be boring. How much is too much? Heck, I don't know. >> >> That's my take on it, though it probably won't be the most popular on >> this >> list. >> > Raising my coffee mug in a toast to Rick, Matt, and everyone else here. > > I am grateful for this thread ... it gave me some ideas for some new > music. > > -- Kevin > --Apple-Mail-1-817217220 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII As you may have noticed by my lack of emails, I'm trying to spend less time writing and doing email and more doing music and pursuing a sustainable life. But this is a great topic and I have a thought: If it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't. Music isn't mathematics or something that can be codified at all. We ALL try to do it - to explain the inexplicable. I remember learning music theory in college and realizing this is what people who aren't standing in the river do. They describe the physics of swimming. But it's just what we do when the Muse isn't speaking to us. When She speaks, it doesn't matter if we're pre recorded, over or under dubbed, playing advanced guitar or primitive digiridoo or what. If the music speaks to the soul and smile etc of the listener (and, more importantly the artist) then we're all, to complete the metaphor, swimming home. Or maybe floating home. So the goal is to draw the listener into the water with us. For some it will be unrehearsed, totally spontaneous, never thought of before stuff and for some it will be completely ironed out highly polished diamonds. I'm guessing most all of us have done both. It's the spirit and inspiration that count. I and I don't think most listeners care HOW the music is made. Musicians of course do care but I still think that's describing swimming. And, as someone so wisely once said, "I don't think any one walks down the street whistling the sound of a $30,000 Telefunken mic." As someone wisely pointed out, even karaoke can turn some folks on. American Idle and all that. Not my cup of tea but I'm too busy to worry about that. We're all evolving at light speed and you gotta start somewhere! To me, really great music is nearly - no - TOTALLY impossible to describe or codify. I recently worked with a new very young artist who is dazzling good. His/our recordings just got a rave hot pick in Spin Magazine. http://www.spin.com/articles/catch-buzz-joe-pug What makes his music and lyrics stand out? I don't know. But I know it when I hear it. And the same applies to loops and loopers etc. I do have my fave loopers and their music has this mystery factor. I have my fave looper pundits and analysts and their minds and passion for purity etc is so fun and really inspiring to read. But that's concepts, and concepts can be crippling when it comes to art and (devil's advocate) concepts can be the key to the highway in art. Plenty artists in the 20s thru the 60s made a big splash with their culturally advanced minds as opposed to their fine art talents. Depends on the level of passion and timing etc. For the record, most conceptual art doesn't speak to me but that doesn't mean it's not wonderful etc. To me, it's intellect. That's something else. Music is like the spiritual world. The people who spend so much time trying to define God (or deny God's existence) are standing by the pool, in pressed slacks and wingtips, dry as a bone, pontificating on the people in the water. Of course God doesn't exist! Just like you can't codify what makes music some music great and some music great background stuff. The difference is intangible! But of course God exists. Just like some music just hits you in the face and knocks you down. If we really knew how it worked, it wouldn't work. So pre recorded or not doesn't matter to me. It's whether the music moves me, stops my mind dead in its tracks. I call it the God Moment. I think it was Thomas Aquinas who first pointed this out. When the mind stops, eternity touches the earth. If it stops long enough and for enough folks, history is made... Hendrix, Dylan, Robert Johnson, Beethoven, Beatles etc. After 40+ years of trying to figure out music and God, I'm realizing that it's all a mischievous paradox that teaches, humbles, mystifies and bamboozles us into pushing forward. For me, if it does that, it's real and it works. The core of the answer is a mystery. I really love how it humbles me. All I really know is, I like the feeling of water on my skin. I've dedicated my life to it. I don't get in the pool all that often, but when I do, all the sit ups and training suddenly seem worth it. So - here's hoping no one sees this as a dis. It isn't. It's the rant of a man who loves music and no longer knows why. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 16-May-08, at 5:57 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: Quoting Rick Walker <: Matt Davignon wrote: "Things that are not OK: The OK/Not OK issue is a test that I apply only to myself. It occurs to me that what I would consider "cheating" for me (a composer/performer/improviser) would be "ok" within someone else's artistic space. For every thing that I can think of that I personally wouldn't do, there is at least one celebrated artist who has done those very things. I have to conclude that the only thing that is not OK for me is to: try to be someone that I'm not and/or try to be all things to all people. Whether I happen to compose a work that uses my own pre-recorded material or is entirely live, I simply do what is necessary for me to realize the result that I want. John Foxx was really interested in emotions and lack of emotions: machines interacting with human beings. Yes! Yes! Often when I perform a work, I look for a crescendo of emotion the same as I look for dynamic, tempo, texture, and rhythmic changes. Often times, there is more excitement and tension from "holding back" than from "giving 100% emotion 100% of the time". To me, the artificial was far more exotic and enticing. I think the beauty of analog synthesis is its failure to replicate acoustic instruments. Even trying to emulate a drum machine perfectly is fun for me because I'm a human being and can't do it. It's just fascinating to me the really minor imperfections that occur when attempting to do something silly like this. In my looping works, I discovered that not all loops have to be played by looping hardware. Sometimes I just play the same phrase over and over in real time. In fact, I try to play it mechanically enough that it really SOUNDS like a loop. I have found this a most effective technique. Personally, I have to confess that the preoccupation of many musicians in their attempts to never have anything repeated is actually more irritating to me than the ones who are guily of repeating things over and over. Always a balancing act between repetition vs. meandering. Too much of either can be boring. How much is too much? Heck, I don't know. That's my take on it, though it probably won't be the most popular on this list. Raising my coffee mug in a toast to Rick, Matt, and everyone else here. 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Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 17 21:51:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20AB23BEAE; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3551 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 17 May 2008 21:51:40 UTC X-Authentication-Warning: faraday.pa.msu.edu: mcintyre owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 16:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: John McIntyre To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:51:40 +0000 (UTC) I saw Cluster last night at the Detroit Institute of the Arts and nearly all their sounds were prerecorded. 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Angulo" Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <968a0d12ceb053a4b0a349799a744d05@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <178443.48626.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 07:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Richard very well put amn,thank you kindly for turning me on this guy as well what a voice! cheers Luis --- Richard Sales wrote: > As you may have noticed by my lack of emails, I'm > trying to spend less > time writing and doing email and more doing music > and pursuing a > sustainable life. But this is a great topic and I > have a thought: > > If it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't. > Music isn't > mathematics or something that can be codified at > all. We ALL try to do > it - to explain the inexplicable. I remember > learning music theory in > college and realizing this is what people who aren't > standing in the > river do. They describe the physics of swimming. > But it's just what > we do when the Muse isn't speaking to us. When She > speaks, it doesn't > matter if we're pre recorded, over or under dubbed, > playing advanced > guitar or primitive digiridoo or what. If the music > speaks to the soul > and smile etc of the listener (and, more importantly > the artist) then > we're all, to complete the metaphor, swimming home. > Or maybe floating > home. > > So the goal is to draw the listener into the water > with us. For some > it will be unrehearsed, totally spontaneous, never > thought of before > stuff and for some it will be completely ironed out > highly polished > diamonds. I'm guessing most all of us have done > both. > > It's the spirit and inspiration that count. I and I > don't think most > listeners care HOW the music is made. Musicians of > course do care but > I still think that's describing swimming. And, as > someone so wisely > once said, "I don't think any one walks down the > street whistling the > sound of a $30,000 Telefunken mic." > > As someone wisely pointed out, even karaoke can turn > some folks on. > American Idle and all that. Not my cup of tea but > I'm too busy to > worry about that. We're all evolving at light speed > and you gotta > start somewhere! > > To me, really great music is nearly - no - TOTALLY > impossible to > describe or codify. I recently worked with a new > very young artist who > is dazzling good. His/our recordings just got a > rave hot pick in Spin > Magazine. > http://www.spin.com/articles/catch-buzz-joe-pug > > What makes his music and lyrics stand out? I don't > know. But I know > it when I hear it. And the same applies to loops > and loopers etc. I > do have my fave loopers and their music has this > mystery factor. I > have my fave looper pundits and analysts and their > minds and passion > for purity etc is so fun and really inspiring to > read. But that's > concepts, and concepts can be crippling when it > comes to art and > (devil's advocate) concepts can be the key to the > highway in art. > Plenty artists in the 20s thru the 60s made a big > splash with their > culturally advanced minds as opposed to their fine > art talents. > Depends on the level of passion and timing etc. > For the record, most > conceptual art doesn't speak to me but that doesn't > mean it's not > wonderful etc. To me, it's intellect. That's > something else. > > Music is like the spiritual world. The people who > spend so much time > trying to define God (or deny God's existence) are > standing by the > pool, in pressed slacks and wingtips, dry as a bone, > pontificating on > the people in the water. Of course God doesn't > exist! Just like you > can't codify what makes music some music great and > some music great > background stuff. The difference is intangible! > But of course God > exists. Just like some music just hits you in the > face and knocks you > down. > > If we really knew how it worked, it wouldn't work. > > So pre recorded or not doesn't matter to me. It's > whether the music > moves me, stops my mind dead in its tracks. I call > it the God Moment. > I think it was Thomas Aquinas who first pointed this > out. When the > mind stops, eternity touches the earth. If it stops > long enough and > for enough folks, history is made... Hendrix, Dylan, > Robert Johnson, > Beethoven, Beatles etc. > > After 40+ years of trying to figure out music and > God, I'm realizing > that it's all a mischievous paradox that teaches, > humbles, mystifies > and bamboozles us into pushing forward. > > For me, if it does that, it's real and it works. > The core of the > answer is a mystery. I really love how it humbles > me. > > All I really know is, I like the feeling of water on > my skin. I've > dedicated my life to it. I don't get in the pool > all that often, but > when I do, all the sit ups and training suddenly > seem worth it. > > So - here's hoping no one sees this as a dis. It > isn't. It's the rant > of a man who loves music and no longer knows why. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > www.broombusters.org > On 16-May-08, at 5:57 AM, > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > > Quoting Rick Walker : > >> > >> Matt Davignon wrote: > >> "Things that are not OK: > >> > > The OK/Not OK issue is a test that I apply only to > myself. It occurs > > to me that what I would consider "cheating" for me > (a > > composer/performer/improviser) would be "ok" > within someone else's > > artistic space. > > > > For every thing that I can think of that I > personally wouldn't do, > > there is at least one celebrated artist who has > done those very > > things. > > > > I have to conclude that the only thing that is not > OK for me is to: > > try to be someone that I'm not and/or try to be > all things to all > > people. > > > > Whether I happen to compose a work that uses my > own pre-recorded > > material or is entirely live, I simply do what is > necessary for me to > > realize the result that I want. > >> > >> John Foxx was really > >> interested in emotions and lack of emotions: > machines interacting > >> with human > >> beings. > >> > > Yes! Yes! Often when I perform a work, I look for > a crescendo of > > emotion the same as I look for dynamic, tempo, > texture, and rhythmic > > changes. > > > > Often times, there is more excitement and tension > from "holding back" > > than from "giving 100% emotion 100% of the time". > >> > >> To me, the artificial was far more exotic and > enticing. > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From julia@admin.bestautoforme.com Sun May 18 07:56:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from admin.bestautoforme.com (server1.bestautoforme.com [74.52.66.138]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA613BE82 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 07:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from julia by admin.bestautoforme.com with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jxdkj-0000Nu-OU for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 18 May 2008 00:56:21 -0700 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have received a postcard ! 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Angulo" Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <761993.7388.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Yeah how i misss that,bars like that full of smoke,long hair,pool table cranking awesome classic rock are basically extinct here as well rounds are on me Ted! cheers Luis > > Somebody cue up some classic rock and set up another > round of beers - > rave on! > > Cheers, > > Ted > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 08:10:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB1D13BEA0; Sun, 18 May 2008 08:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nRSs0EkqyqGRsbe1H2Y/fgd4iMek2/AGNgPTOLPpKCu4sZPc5d1UH4lO6eD40Wh+ikqnYAzSrOuLOL7Ze4uCk1ZUJaGWs45w45IVEvOnjDXl1OrjtMHwNSaV5asjfTTz/+BGUGnCb6Y197/6rkCeK+ZhFwZJa+HRgptArWbOuhE=; X-YMail-OSG: CYTelWoVM1mMFAGGwVS4KFQza6VsnypLFyisFL_KPXw2CAzdQ6G5FkynakTMOWFaHjBC7eO9DVTziB5oOJphsCGSE1in3zjDsCMl97qo4n0EqDqw2LB_QAx_y34- Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 01:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <282312.55373.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6eaB9C.A.AlF.eR-LIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:10:06 +0000 (UTC) I will be checking this one out soon,i need a compact for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit after the mackie concept http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me price is unbeatable sound quality we will wait and see... anyone has one or tried one yet? Luis > > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer > by Mackie > > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco > quality... > > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have > them on my Mackie > > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want > to route to your > > stereo looper. > > > > Best regards > > Buzap > > > > > > -- > > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute > mit Deinen Interessen! > > Jetzt dabei sein: > http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 08:45:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F08AD3BEB2; Sun, 18 May 2008 08:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cJosyQz/bgBElgSGGBxamML/09L73ye295WI8ujhaX0=; b=UPrXYYqF6y5CvuvAs7VrE+YdlJQtnSZRrccIReGGCE7zjScDvZvMm1T2EYaumcio+NtSHKmDIuO6ot3y55gFrbGXs+EaUY28b3juluNIOa3m+4b/modZ5LZhdW3Im46w7v8EkUe1GfoO9T1tV43LGNVtHFRyiuv5xigLQjjVedY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pilfDUC2RXRA2qR1jxHf3mRE8lB0MA5ljakdRC/XhgN1JopG8OilUY3Fsq1Qr7RlTVLpFO8c0qbzY09PqFQ6cNNUmJbMh4fKxQaUm3/lukpOeYVAhtKa9hJkOd12BEm92cFrEMKPY1Ca8FG7EE8m5nYDfJUcY+BgDHPs/dwZ6mU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805180145m662e2afaq6971fee07be63bc6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:45:20 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... In-Reply-To: <282312.55373.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <282312.55373.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:45:21 +0000 (UTC) I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I would advice anyone to listen carefully to any Behringer product before buying. A couple of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model and I have never used it after the tour it was originally purchased to serve. The reason is that it simply degrades the sound so much that anything I use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer mixer" than like music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer made by Tascam and this thing sounds so much better than the Behringer although it's twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe that's why?). A trick might be to no send all your signals through the mixer but only use it for some, like effect loop return lines and such. Then you would at least have some sounds in your performance that won't come out "crappified" through the PA. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > I will be checking this one out soon,i need a compact > for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit after the > mackie concept > > http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me > price is unbeatable > sound quality we will wait and see... > anyone has one or tried one yet? > Luis > > > > >> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ >> > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer >> by Mackie >> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco >> quality... >> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have >> them on my Mackie >> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want >> to route to your >> > stereo looper. >> > >> > Best regards >> > Buzap >> > >> > >> > -- >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. 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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:57:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:57:42 +0000 (UTC) I Have the Xenyx-2222 and am not keen on it in terms of layyout, sound or master section. The knobs have little contrast from the pannel = not unlike Mackie CF desks -(which particularly matters to me because I'm partially sighted), I'm not keen on the channel EQ or preamps and the master section (in an attempt to be very inclusive) is over complicated in (I think) unuseful ways. I wouldn't buy it again. I used to have the UB desk with 6mic channels (can't remember the model) and, whilst not at all as well featured, sounded more transparent than the (over-hyped) Xenyx. I have various Behringer products, some of which I've had for many years and have been totally reliable and I would replace without question (Composer, cable tester, various DI boxes) but not the Xenyx. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... >I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I would advice anyone > to listen carefully to any Behringer product before buying. A couple > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model and I have never > used it after the tour it was originally purchased to serve. The > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so much that anything I > use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer mixer" than like > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer made by Tascam and > this thing sounds so much better than the Behringer although it's > twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe that's why?). A > trick might be to no send all your signals through the mixer but only > use it for some, like effect loop return lines and such. Then you > would at least have some sounds in your performance that won't come > out "crappified" through the PA. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> I will be checking this one out soon,i need a compact >> for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit after the >> mackie concept >> >> http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG >> >> alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me >> price is unbeatable >> sound quality we will wait and see... >> anyone has one or tried one yet? >> Luis >> >> >> >> >>> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 >>> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ >>> > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer >>> by Mackie >>> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco >>> quality... >>> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have >>> them on my Mackie >>> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want >>> to route to your >>> > stereo looper. >>> > >>> > Best regards >>> > Buzap >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute >>> mit Deinen Interessen! >>> > Jetzt dabei sein: >>> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >>> > >>> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 10:51:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FAEC3BE85; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+IKgJhNI2Ias0M4mGjifbMSTcg1hZhptGZR0T7Cu lJrIs86ggZArE9 Message-ID: <002301c8b8d6$e531fdf0$78a0fe91@parsick> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <282312.55373.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0805180145m662e2afaq6971fee07be63bc6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:03:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound terrible. I use the MX2642A in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very good. Not as good as a Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The earlier models (which came in dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went through several of them). I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the buck" ratio, unfortunately, especially when your budget is tight. Stephen (whos going to switch from Behringer to Mackie in his live rig soon). ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please check www.parsick.com For legal downloads please check: http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I would advice anyone > to listen carefully to any Behringer product before buying. A couple > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model and I have never > used it after the tour it was originally purchased to serve. The > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so much that anything I > use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer mixer" than like > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer made by Tascam and > this thing sounds so much better than the Behringer although it's > twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe that's why?). A > trick might be to no send all your signals through the mixer but only > use it for some, like effect loop return lines and such. Then you > would at least have some sounds in your performance that won't come > out "crappified" through the PA. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > I will be checking this one out soon,i need a compact > > for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit after the > > mackie concept > > > > http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me > > price is unbeatable > > sound quality we will wait and see... > > anyone has one or tried one yet? > > Luis > > > > > > > > > >> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > >> > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer > >> by Mackie > >> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco > >> quality... > >> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have > >> them on my Mackie > >> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want > >> to route to your > >> > stereo looper. > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > Buzap > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. 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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:38:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 11:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Yes, although the Xenyx are the latest desks (and grey!). I'm replacing my Xenyx (which I use for smaller gigs) with a Soundcraft EFX8 or MFX8 - anyone know the differences? looks like the MFX is lmerely an EFX with an extre AUX send and 2 extra main buses, evrything else looks the same(?) I also use an Allen & Heath 16 channel desk which is much more fully featured for bigger PA gigs. fWhich reminds me that Allen & Heath have brought out the ZED range of smaller desks, which have had good reviews. Ian and ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound terrible. I use the MX2642A in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very good. Not as good as a Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The earlier models (which came in dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went through several of them). I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the buck" ratio, unfortunately, especially when your budget is tight. Stephen (whos going to switch from Behringer to Mackie in his live rig soon). ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking squealing Gucci little piggy." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the Past Redux, reissued with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For more info please check www.parsick.com For legal downloads please check: http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I would advice anyone > to listen carefully to any Behringer product before buying. A couple > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model and I have never > used it after the tour it was originally purchased to serve. The > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so much that anything I > use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer mixer" than like > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer made by Tascam and > this thing sounds so much better than the Behringer although it's > twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe that's why?). A > trick might be to no send all your signals through the mixer but only > use it for some, like effect loop return lines and such. Then you > would at least have some sounds in your performance that won't come > out "crappified" through the PA. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > I will be checking this one out soon,i need a compact > > for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit after the > > mackie concept > > > > http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me > > price is unbeatable > > sound quality we will wait and see... > > anyone has one or tried one yet? > > Luis > > > > > > > > > >> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > >> > This is a really nice, compact, high quality mixer > >> by Mackie > >> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco > >> quality... > >> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I have > >> them on my Mackie > >> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you want > >> to route to your > >> > stereo looper. > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > Buzap > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute > >> mit Deinen Interessen! > >> > Jetzt dabei sein: > >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > >> > > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 13:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62F473BE84; Sun, 18 May 2008 13:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 09:08:20 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: On-line Stream Change Notice To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48302A44.1010405@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: <9-bjs.A.b5E.9oCMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, The stream URL used for listening to Galactic Travels on WDIY has changed to the following: iTunes, JetAudio, WinAmp: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls Windows Media Player: http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx Real Player: http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram Thanks for listening! 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    I've got this mixer; used = for work (audio for video), but quickly found I love it at home for the = FX (100 presets). The compact size is great. The price is great. The XLR = input sockets aren't as rigid as I'd like. I'm not hyper-critical of = it's sonics, as it lets me simply dive into playing quickly -- very = valuable. I'm sure there's noise that I'm ignoring/ ignorant of. But for = the price, ease of use and footprint, I'm happy with it.
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    On May = 18, 2008, at 4:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

    I will be checking this one out soon,i need a = compact
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    alt 3/4 = plus efx as well which is a must for me
    price is = unbeatable
    sound quality we will wait and = see...
    anyone has one or tried one = yet?
    Luis




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    This is a = really nice, compact, high quality mixer
    by Mackie =A0
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    Onyx, too. Really great for = choosing what you want
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    Best = regards
    Buzap


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References: <282312.55373.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0805180145m662e2afaq6971fee07be63bc6@mail.gmail.com> <002301c8b8d6$e531fdf0$78a0fe91@parsick> In-Reply-To: <002301c8b8d6$e531fdf0$78a0fe91@parsick> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:27:37 +0000 (UTC) I used the earlier MX2642 for many years. Thought it sounded ok, though I never ABed it with the MX2642A. (certainly sounded a whole lot better than the old TEAC maodel I had before that) As the newer one came in at about a 3rd of the price I have a certain scepticism ;-) I don't trust Behringer to always be improving their stuff, more like they are finding more ways to cut corners. (note, at one time they used to feature the more expensive toroidal transformers) (same goes for most other companies). ...but, I'm not saying their older stuff is generally better, some of that was indeed pretty bad. Conclusion...*some* Behringer gear might be usable for what you want, but always try it out if possible. ( oh well, I think we all know that by now) andy butler Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound terrible. I use the MX2642A > in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very good. Not as good as a > Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The earlier models (which came in > dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went through several of them). > I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the buck" ratio, > unfortunately, especially when your budget is tight. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 16:34:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623533BE93; Sun, 18 May 2008 16:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1560537C-8B9E-4858-91FA-CF98432DE1B5@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: 10.5.2 Audio dropuot Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:34:11 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:34:24 +0000 (UTC) I didn't get a direct answer from this forum, but I did get a clue that seems to have worked. I checked the Console to see if any files were repeatedly producing errors - and in fact there was one in Library/QuickTime. I moved it to the Desktop, rebooted, and it's been working well since. I haven't had to run QT, though. On May 13, 2008, at 4:57 PM, doc rossi wrote: > thanks > > On May 13, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> This question would best be asked here: >> >> http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1201&start=0 >> >> >> >>> I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to >>> record in 6 days. >>> >>> I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from >>> scratch. Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way? >>> >>> I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any >>> difference. 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Angulo" Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c8b8db$b12e2880$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <241031.90810.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:25:12 +0000 (UTC) I have the soundcraft mfx 12/2 and i am very very happy with it,smaller than the mackie cfx12 i use to own,more channels,quality sound and efx on board and even lighter than the mackie! plus mute buttons are led so you see whats muted or not (i dont understand why mackie didnt include this in their new mkII series,big drawback when looping)plus more routing possiblities. and its only a bit more expensive than the cfx16 which is way to big anyway! But when traveling by train i need something even smaller so thats why i am looking at the behringer Xenyx 1204,i want to fit everything in a couple of bags you see... but keep dreaming yeah,there will always be a third bag,that damn FCB1010!!! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Yes, although the Xenyx are the latest desks (and > grey!). I'm replacing my > Xenyx (which I use for smaller gigs) with a > Soundcraft EFX8 or MFX8 - > anyone know the differences? looks like the MFX is > lmerely an EFX with an > extre AUX send and 2 extra main buses, evrything > else looks the same(?) I > also use an Allen & Heath 16 channel desk which is > much more fully featured > for bigger PA gigs. fWhich reminds me that Allen & > Heath have brought out > the ZED range of smaller desks, which have had good > reviews. > > Ian > > and > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wavecomputer360" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound > terrible. I use the MX2642A > in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very > good. Not as good as a > Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The > earlier models (which came in > dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went > through several of them). > I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the > buck" ratio, > unfortunately, especially when your budget is tight. > > Stephen (whos going to switch from Behringer to > Mackie in his live rig > soon). > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking > squealing Gucci little piggy." > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the > Past Redux, reissued > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For > more info please check > www.parsick.com > > For legal downloads please check: > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > > I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I > would advice anyone > > to listen carefully to any Behringer product > before buying. A couple > > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model > and I have never > > used it after the tour it was originally purchased > to serve. The > > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so > much that anything I > > use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer > mixer" than like > > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer > made by Tascam and > > this thing sounds so much better than the > Behringer although it's > > twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe > that's why?). A > > trick might be to no send all your signals through > the mixer but only > > use it for some, like effect loop return lines and > such. Then you > > would at least have some sounds in your > performance that won't come > > out "crappified" through the PA. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > > I will be checking this one out soon,i need a > compact > > > for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit > after the > > > mackie concept > > > > > > > http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > > > alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for me > > > price is unbeatable > > > sound quality we will wait and see... > > > anyone has one or tried one yet? > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > > >> > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > > >> > This is a really nice, compact, high quality > mixer > > >> by Mackie > > >> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco > > >> quality... > > >> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: I > have > > >> them on my Mackie > > >> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what you > want > > >> to route to your > > >> > stereo looper. > > >> > > > >> > Best regards > > >> > Buzap > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du > Leute > > >> mit Deinen Interessen! > > >> > Jetzt dabei sein: > > >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 18 20:30:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04B6D3BE93; Sun, 18 May 2008 20:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KvXbWtZgrxpc2gL7/KsaSbDVJjZsiaInN7ThIyZBk7E=; b=CYE0tHgGITTn2UrCD+X2qeaoL1HaKkRaht8myRpRVasW5zxkbhyeysDFxvJEi4MTSlrDf8XUCNQjqqwWyrRA3dNe4KEksnJHVdcKvi6W4OWDLTzm36iNmc8eYTZ4kIqnOjkMdkWjuMiR6RF2b1SLcM0seX6gt+7rq8POW+U6zAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q3WM5LRWh8pxQKekoEympE9J+o4BxyF8bzaGIfVz0osbLkred+Tbg+HmysxZ3iYRvK/X8wJOMlQJaRXg4fBlwW+ttmfs6g5H7/OGT5rtRkoZ5Dk1h4A0rLvWcZp7dmX/pbqGo1ZPCEwLyHLN4WIZAZe2Z8k7binlhNcPCl8QX94= Message-ID: <4759e5740805181330wda24db9h425d384b3479e9c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:30:34 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 10.5.2 Audio dropuot In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16606_636502.1211142634506" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:30:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16606_636502.1211142634506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline wasn't there a rollback solution that was posted on LD a week or two ago? I know there is one, but I didn't execute it yet. I'll look, but do search the archives. under Ableton Live and dropouts. t. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:16 AM, doc rossi wrote: > I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to record in 6 > days. > > I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from scratch. > Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way? > > I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. > An odd thing is that the drop out is much worse in Logic 8 than it is in in > DP5. > > I have a 2GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM. > > Doc > > -- Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock. Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular. 7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_16606_636502.1211142634506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline wasn't there a rollback solution that was posted on LD a week or two ago?  

    I know there is one, but I didn't execute it yet.

    I'll look, but do search the archives.  under Ableton Live and dropouts.

    t.


    On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 9:16 AM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm having trouble with this now as well, and I have a demo to record in 6 days.

    I can't find of way of going back to 10.5.1 without starting from scratch. Has anyone reverted to the previous update in another way?

    I've tried turning off Airport, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. An odd thing is that the drop out is much worse in Logic 8 than it is in in DP5.

    I have a 2GHz MacBook with 2GB of RAM.

    Doc




    --
    Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock.

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Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:59:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, Interesting - Did you make an active choice of the MFX over the EFX? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... I have the soundcraft mfx 12/2 and i am very very happy with it,smaller than the mackie cfx12 i use to own,more channels,quality sound and efx on board and even lighter than the mackie! plus mute buttons are led so you see whats muted or not (i dont understand why mackie didnt include this in their new mkII series,big drawback when looping)plus more routing possiblities. and its only a bit more expensive than the cfx16 which is way to big anyway! But when traveling by train i need something even smaller so thats why i am looking at the behringer Xenyx 1204,i want to fit everything in a couple of bags you see... but keep dreaming yeah,there will always be a third bag,that damn FCB1010!!! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Yes, although the Xenyx are the latest desks (and > grey!). I'm replacing my > Xenyx (which I use for smaller gigs) with a > Soundcraft EFX8 or MFX8 - > anyone know the differences? looks like the MFX is > lmerely an EFX with an > extre AUX send and 2 extra main buses, evrything > else looks the same(?) I > also use an Allen & Heath 16 channel desk which is > much more fully featured > for bigger PA gigs. fWhich reminds me that Allen & > Heath have brought out > the ZED range of smaller desks, which have had good > reviews. > > Ian > > and > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wavecomputer360" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound > terrible. I use the MX2642A > in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very > good. Not as good as a > Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The > earlier models (which came in > dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went > through several of them). > I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the > buck" ratio, > unfortunately, especially when your budget is tight. > > Stephen (whos going to switch from Behringer to > Mackie in his live rig > soon). > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking > squealing Gucci little piggy." > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of the > Past Redux, reissued > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For > more info please check > www.parsick.com > > For legal downloads please check: > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > > I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but I > would advice anyone > > to listen carefully to any Behringer product > before buying. A couple > > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro model > and I have never > > used it after the tour it was originally purchased > to serve. The > > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so > much that anything I > > use it for sounds more as "that horrible Behringer > mixer" than like > > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels mixer > made by Tascam and > > this thing sounds so much better than the > Behringer although it's > > twenty years older and twenty times heavier (maybe > that's why?). A > > trick might be to no send all your signals through > the mixer but only > > use it for some, like effect loop return lines and > such. Then you > > would at least have some sounds in your > performance that won't come > > out "crappified" through the PA. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. 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    2008/5/19 Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>:

    can't exactly notice any loop technic in the second video.
    seen him two times here in spain.

    it was/is one of my favourite players (athough his music doesn't matches me at all). now i prefer matthias eklundh (also from vai's favored nations label) which nowadays plays with jonas hellborg (both swedes) with a challenging band called Art Metal.

    hei rick! check this video for crazy eklundh's guitarrism
    at minute 3:20 ... loopy as hell :-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k7C9pTCwKs&feature=related

     

    a mix that really shows much more sophisticated looping.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXR9ggRdFI
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    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
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//////////////////////////8BAP7/AwoAAP////8GCQIAAAAAAMAAAAAA AABGHwAAAE1pY3Jvc29mdCBPZmZpY2UgV29yZCBEb2N1bWVudAAKAAAATVNX b3JkRG9jABAAAABXb3JkLkRvY3VtZW50LjgA9DmycQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C2A9A6.654A9864-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 09:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599223BE90; Mon, 19 May 2008 09:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:19:06 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18sHOpg8QQsFAT/LMNrYlToQ8KO1R4h9yt2N2HjB4 ncbBvHZWwmjRNiT6zjJIhuaNPvyRRMH+MRVQ== X-GMX-UID: aypaIOshTlI8csF+jGlrHBhOU2poZRkq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi all I'm pleased to see that I've hit the nerve with this subject :-)) I would like to add one more thing to this comment: > Being an "entertainer" is about "ego" > And being an "artist" .. is about "reaching the unreachable" I believe that the last sentence is only half the truth. True: It is the artist's task to "reach the unreachable". However, it is at the same time also to bring "heaven to earth", or bring the "unreachable" to people. So, if you are a composer, I think you can simply focus on "reaching the unreachable" and hope that in the next generations someone will discover your music. Howeever, if you are a _performing_ artist, the goal is different. I believe even Miles Davis - who has been known for a certain dislike of his audience -, when playing in a bar etc, would only be satisfied if there would be at least one person in the audience he could reach with his music. So, I think as _performing_ artists, you need to be in touch both with the "heavens/unreachable/unkown/creative force..." as well as the ordinariy people in your audience. If you just focus on one of these two, you will be either a bitter, unrecognized genius in his own musical world or a plain ego booster putting his narcissistic self into display. But playing for an audience, pleasing them, being in touch with them is - with the right attitude and vision - not about a big ego but about a big HEART. My most significant exprience on this was this: I used to push my muscic more into complexity, speed, wild rhythms, sophistication. Then coincidentally, I bought a live recording of Elizabeth Cotten. She was already very old on the recording and singing with a cracked voice. But she was a lovely woman, telling a story to her audience and TOUCHING the hearts of people. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tm5-WdB_aVE This has changed my musical life. And I would always trade a [add your favorite rock/jazz/fusion virtuoso here] solo to a simple song of hers. Buzap -- 249 Spiele fr nur 1 Preis. Die GMX Spieleflatrate schon ab 9,90 Euro. Neu: Asterix bei den Olympischen Spielen: http://flat.games.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 09:21:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867963BE95; Mon, 19 May 2008 09:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:21:47 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080519092147.274510@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: RE: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18/K1s8xrI/44HNQnaEFuMrfTXoLJJ9pX3nUbnW4Z a3xDg3GI3nLXRy4ogyiS6fg3hlv6g/I6ATVg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: nH4HeQlYYmYBX58snnY3S2tCWkZTQZRd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sjaak >SM Audio Pro DI8 this is awesome, thanks for the advice! :) Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 10:14:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB703BE81; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 33112800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720888184C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <482F565B.3040200@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Thread-Index: Aci5mRheJLXZ7/t9TGGhmT4Q20wbnw== References: <482F565B.3040200@mhorse.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 10:14:16.0043 (UTC) FILETIME=[17CBDBB0:01C8B999] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:14:18 +0000 (UTC) agreed, daryl. shut your eyes & listen to a CD of what they used to sound like.... if you have another CD player & a disc of "club interior-night-time" sound effects, you could almost be at a gig. I put the dull repetitive stuff in a sequencer, & write patches with a bit of random life in them (to emulate analogue synths, for instance, I send random modulations to the pitch & filter, while tiny variations in the note-on timing liven up the sequences a bit. this is all possible within the old emu modules). we use pre-recorded loops because we're a three-piece, & thus only have six hands. selfishly, we keep the most interesting parts to ourselves, & use the loopers (repeater, RC-1 amongst others) for loops that were once improvised but have since become integral to a composition. playing CDs (or using a computer, IMO- our sequencers are hardware, & more akin to drumboxes) is dishonest & furthermore, is asking for trouble of a technical nature. but that's just my opinion. :-) >>This may be the subtlest snark I've ever read. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I saw Cluster last night at the Detroit Institute of the Arts and=20 > nearly all their sounds were prerecorded. They each had a=20 > synthesizer, but those were seldom used. Most of the sounds came from their four CD players. > > But it was not "just press play and sit back". You could see Rodelius > flipping through his CD collection, deciding which disc to slip in next. > > But if you closed your eyes, it sounded like the music they used to=20 > make with a room full of gear. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the=20 intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and=20 any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is=20 prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 10:15:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129453BE7E; Mon, 19 May 2008 10:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 17404399/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.174.247 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.174.247 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuIAAAPwMEhPRq73/2dsb2JhbAAIrASCPA Message-ID: <48315338.1050003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:15:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4SahTD.A.JuG.8MVMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Sjaak wrote: > Hi, > Since a couple of weeks I'm using the SM Audio Pro DI8. It's a 8-channel 19" DI and line mixer. >The audio quality is very good. With 4 channels you can create a stereo effect send/return, I couldn't see a way to create an FX send. ( I guess you mean to use the Direct Outs, but that's not the same) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 11:44:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D5B3BE7F; Mon, 19 May 2008 11:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:44:06 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <5n1iQC.A.1AB.JgWMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:44:09 +0000 (UTC) > Andy wrote > I couldn't see a way to create an FX send. > ( I guess you mean to use the Direct Outs, but that's not the same) Hi Andy, Correct, I used the wrong words, the DI8 doesn't have fx send/return knob= s ;) I use a stereo FX loop using the line output's on the front and 2 ad= ditional channels for the return signal. The problem with most mixers is = that they don't offer true stereo FX send/returns which means you can't p= an the signal...with exception of Allen&Heath. I'm very happy with the DI= 8, it solves a couple of issues for me: - balanced output per channel =3D> signal for FOH mixer - pan and volume control per channel =3D> signal for personal stage monit= or - link output per channel you can use for FX send, click track for drumme= r etc - it replaced a mixer + DI =3D> less complex setup, less noise Sjaak=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 12:02:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC01A3BE8D; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720888184C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <482F565B.3040200@mhorse.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720888184C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Message-id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:02:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:02:13 +0000 (UTC) So using loops within hardware is ok, but using loops with a computer (Ableton?) is not? On May 19, 2008, at 6:14 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > agreed, daryl. shut your eyes & listen to a CD of what they used to > sound like.... if you have another CD player & a disc of "club > interior-night-time" sound effects, you could almost be at a gig. > > I put the dull repetitive stuff in a sequencer, & write patches with a > bit of random life in them (to emulate analogue synths, for > instance, I > send random modulations to the pitch & filter, while tiny > variations in > the note-on timing liven up the sequences a bit. this is all possible > within the old emu modules). we use pre-recorded loops because we're a > three-piece, & thus only have six hands. selfishly, we keep the most > interesting parts to ourselves, & use the loopers (repeater, RC-1 > amongst others) for loops that were once improvised but have since > become integral to a composition. > > playing CDs (or using a computer, IMO- our sequencers are hardware, & > more akin to drumboxes) is dishonest & furthermore, is asking for > trouble of a technical nature. but that's just my opinion. :-) > > > > >>> This may be the subtlest snark I've ever read. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> I saw Cluster last night at the Detroit Institute of the Arts and >> nearly all their sounds were prerecorded. They each had a >> synthesizer, but those were seldom used. Most of the sounds came >> from > their four CD players. >> >> But it was not "just press play and sit back". You could see >> Rodelius > >> flipping through his CD collection, deciding which disc to slip in > next. >> >> But if you closed your eyes, it sounded like the music they used to >> make with a room full of gear. > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by > copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the > intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the > email and > any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is > prohibited. > > While MTV Networks Europe has taken steps to ensure that this email > and > any attachments are virus free, it is your responsibility to ensure > that > this message and any attachments are virus free and do not affect your > systems / data. > > Communicating by email is not 100% secure and carries risks such as > delay, > data corruption, non-delivery, wrongful interception and unauthorised > amendment. If you communicate with us by e-mail, you acknowledge and > assume these risks, and you agree to take appropriate measures to > minimise > these risks when e-mailing us. > > MTV Networks International, MTV Networks UK & Ireland, Greenhouse, > Nickelodeon Viacom Consumer Products, VBSi, Viacom Brand Solutions > International and Comedy Central are all trading names of MTV Networks > Europe. MTV Networks Europe is a partnership between MTV Networks > Europe > Inc. and Viacom Networks Europe Inc. Address for service in Great > Britain > is UK House, 180 Oxford Street, London W1D 1DS, UK. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 12:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F933BE85; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uZ+l0ZC0DIoT06vy80fgv9gEtNue6lGKNtD4T1DObr+Dp7Nm/PckF2qvQc3w/h/vW41P81wAhqXlUAe/W7fIaL8zVbgKnXaRKJ6vf6m5GgRxF1SwOb7ZO7EmVkRAakeKhWp9XYlBlwBA0CH0ZY9Mf2GN/7y9rV2Iwv7JO11wY9c=; X-YMail-OSG: quYGuhsVM1k9UrrqttmfJUl_xP0VGg0NedN.bb4qmpG6gOcw2qKzsJIa_muk8jDb3Dq.B.BoVM3V X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 05:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: andy garber Subject: RE: Tiny PA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1069618032-1211199560=:33978" Message-ID: <698896.33978.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:19:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1069618032-1211199560=:33978 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I run everything into a small Behringer mixer - out to a BBE sonic Maximizer and then send the two signals to two small Hartke kickbacks. The 12" model easily covers the 5th string of my bass guitar w/out distorting at all. The fidelity would be better if I chose the small keyboard amps, which I'll prob upgrade to but, the BBE cleans it all up amazingly. Presto - a tiny PA I have no trouble moving around. The great part is that the Hartke has everything in it; EQ, tone and a limiter! And of course w/ the Kickback cut of the box, it's easy to position for any situation. I'm even thinking about drilling holes in the bottom for stand mounts. Andy --0-1069618032-1211199560=:33978 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    I run everything into a small Behringer mixer -
    out to a BBE sonic Maximizer and then send the
    two signals to two small Hartke kickbacks.  The 12"
    model easily covers the 5th string of my bass guitar
    w/out distorting at all.
    The fidelity would be better if I chose the small keyboard
    amps, which I'll prob upgrade to but, the BBE cleans
    it all up amazingly.  Presto - a tiny PA I have no
    trouble moving around. 
    The great part is that the Hartke has everything in it;
    EQ, tone and a limiter! And of course w/ the Kickback
    cut of the box, it's easy to position for any situation.
    I'm even thinking about drilling holes in the bottom for
    stand mounts. 

    Andy
     



    --0-1069618032-1211199560=:33978-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 13:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F113BE87; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cZWAd+w6XxA5ab1xnyHMyZZvfRVC6lbWuj2Uh1IlNMYLtmokmTpNyq3Dq1zsbb6zZs8IjWVYCzUsxuHzh7BDU7y6fnvEjgUQ1YJPM8wqCkMaf21Wyl7L0eBczf5oJvp9r8BLKEdQdtikegrYkwGd7p9NuFVUua7gyOZ1p3RuHdo=; X-YMail-OSG: xjazqpUVM1nZBXg.v_cgRdBTUp6ZHEy1PBx01TOWShZh4i3QdHDRazJMxM6U9tAT1eJkg4Iu_Gmj.sBp4FiCoP1caS_5BX.w1jdFhKXtrEN7Idi4W6P8fOhuYGg- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <519317.38068.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8M5k6C.A.yXE.XVYMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:49:11 +0000 (UTC) wow,it almost brought tears to my eyes thanx man Luis > > My most significant exprience on this was this: > I used to push my muscic more into complexity, > speed, wild rhythms, sophistication. Then > coincidentally, I bought a live recording of > Elizabeth Cotten. She was already very old on the > recording and singing with a cracked voice. But she > was a lovely woman, telling a story to her audience > and TOUCHING the hearts of people. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tm5-WdB_aVE > > This has changed my musical life. > And I would always trade a [add your favorite > rock/jazz/fusion virtuoso here] solo to a simple > song of hers. > > Buzap > > > > > -- > 249 Spiele fr nur 1 Preis. Die GMX Spieleflatrate > schon ab 9,90 Euro. > Neu: Asterix bei den Olympischen Spielen: > http://flat.games.gmx.de > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 13:52:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675813BE94; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lADklW0exTePSlLij9ht+R9WtEJmsuV4IE3rek2uW7yexRTj4FVuyS1979E8CgMN+PgD4w4RvBYsFvFPndUAnWSql3q8n2K2mqctmY24g2M2EQ+zOra/1dyZ2uce80U0VogPS1Jlsvi0V0QTMizLkeQppkC1pPP39KnwCqF62zM=; X-YMail-OSG: OTt4ZMkVM1ngIF4yhYirhnP4ii82O0O1VZkf_9LADyWV6BLqh9nAdAZ3M7prBcuSAB0N8029jxy2uFm0mhWkMpWGnYSvn4RSutzw0.DHH6Zxj6Fey3a6kDuXK28- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:52:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012c01c8b959$4ce71660$e6b54320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <936876.84614.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:33 +0000 (UTC) hey Dave i am surprised you are not using the Rane SM82! cheers Luis --- dave eichenberger wrote: > I have been using the Behringer RX1602 for my rack, > mostly because it is > rack mounted, and it is difficult to find 1 space > rack mixers with aux > sends. I was using a Mackie 1202vlz, which I might > go back to. The level out > of the Behringer is much quieter, and I guess I > could describe it as 'flat'. > Of course, the big plus is that it can be in a rack, > and I don't have to > take a separate table with me as well as the mixer > to gigs- everything is > self contained. Ideally, even a small a 4 stereo > channel mixer would work > (with 1 aux send/return)- and, once set, I rarely > even touch the mixer in > performance. So I don't need faders, tons of routing > options, etc...I was > hoping the Behringer would work, but really, its > nowhere near the sound > quality of my old Mackie. This is no slam on > Behringer as a company though, > since I haven't used many of their things, although > I will say their midi > footcontroller is the best deal out there. > > dave eichenberger: > www.daveeichenberger.com > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 13:59:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128143BE98; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LTxkpwgezVQJfAby9DAeGqL145VE/B5ZBrJazq73hjrzvobLT4B1I+YGvwCDlpqRkaAz3pbiYYWLlMYUboJj5BhoR7n+nQk6rI961LRwa3nCmrFcoBxSuU35jo9nkJQQyXZoqAQ+Hu0+8W53SVHWsvhe+ySEdbde94qYsA9yNGk=; X-YMail-OSG: pO9oqEYVM1n8mui.sKE9hbf6OdZ97RdR6yLXDiOlWBGSoaTuLnkeeBZNh2._XuQNVgEPRWCTE9oR3_bzip72KBhzT.slNL7A..Tw0g3ivKThu7cpR3TbVAS0tto- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Steve Vai - live looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3060CFEF-626E-4238-A150-D66569B05882@finleysound.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <215682.93008.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) me too secon one is the best what a great wank! --- "Matthew F. McCabe" wrote: > Good stuff. I think I actually preferred the second > video!!! > > --- > King Never > www.kingnever.com > > > > > On May 18, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > > > -- > > well, it's modest looping, but it's looping, > nonetheless > > > > check out 2:05 in this video > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9qyeUOoAZU&feature=related > > > > > > and then watch the same thing again with new > appreciation > > a mix that really shows much more sophisticated > looping. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXR9ggRdFI > > -- > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 14:08:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151E83BEA9; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sYDl/SvwGharVIG8eShKFyqpW9lpaEjVOiMHXQvJ0s6UEaqLix/sGS1d364JahBLepqnT1hsFQ+ZwII1ySn6a3Ng4e5mQ2Oxd8cKg9IgFgDWW9Y/tqYHd5PHp2cOpsg40ZBhQgXYjcifMQyCmOjNYAbAp2VOZBg0hG5dJ+Y12BE=; X-YMail-OSG: 8fQka8EVM1mGyQa_O7c_8AJDGo9GVKhNvjqD2fRp3rML_ZbokTr_np9G4dkNqEdvOddqq0_BIM9KCWSMGO_ZLxABe0ue4KX7kInNcTZJ0FPDPF8GrYLVW43AWfU- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c8b92a$2159fe10$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <480622.51638.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:08:57 +0000 (UTC) well the decision was more based on the amount of xlr ins and the second fx send,Perfect for solo looping or bands as well But perhaps not for traveling when you are carrying more cases although it is still very light! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi Luis, > Interesting - Did you make an active choice of the > MFX over the EFX? > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > I have the soundcraft mfx 12/2 and i am very very > happy with it,smaller than the mackie cfx12 i use to > own,more channels,quality sound and efx on board and > even lighter than the mackie! plus mute buttons are > led so you see whats muted or not (i dont understand > why mackie didnt include this in their new mkII > series,big drawback when looping)plus more routing > possiblities. > and its only a bit more expensive than the cfx16 > which > is way to big anyway! > But when traveling by train i need something even > smaller so thats why i am looking at the behringer > Xenyx 1204,i want to fit everything in a couple of > bags you see... > but keep dreaming yeah,there will always be a third > bag,that damn FCB1010!!! > Luis > > > > > > > --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > > > Yes, although the Xenyx are the latest desks (and > > grey!). I'm replacing my > > Xenyx (which I use for smaller gigs) with a > > Soundcraft EFX8 or MFX8 - > > anyone know the differences? looks like the MFX is > > lmerely an EFX with an > > extre AUX send and 2 extra main buses, evrything > > else looks the same(?) I > > also use an Allen & Heath 16 channel desk which is > > much more fully featured > > for bigger PA gigs. fWhich reminds me that Allen & > > Heath have brought out > > the ZED range of smaller desks, which have had > good > > reviews. > > > > Ian > > > > and > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wavecomputer360" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:03 PM > > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > > > > Yes, earlier Behringer designs tended to sound > > terrible. I use the MX2642A > > in silver livery, though, and this one sounds very > > good. Not as good as a > > Mackie 1604VLZ but still very well usable. The > > earlier models (which came in > > dark-blue or grey livery) sounded terrible (I went > > through several of them). > > I guess Behringer is still the best "bang for the > > buck" ratio, > > unfortunately, especially when your budget is > tight. > > > > Stephen (whos going to switch from Behringer to > > Mackie in his live rig > > soon). > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly, kicking > > squealing Gucci little piggy." > > (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") > > > > Finally available: Stephen Parsick -- Traces of > the > > Past Redux, reissued > > with three previously unreleased bonus tracks. For > > more info please check > > www.parsick.com > > > > For legal downloads please check: > > > > > http://www.musiczeit.com/directory.php?artist=296&title=Stephen+Parsick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Per Boysen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:45 AM > > Subject: Re: Looper's Little Mixers... > > > > > > > I don't have that particular Behringer mixer but > I > > would advice anyone > > > to listen carefully to any Behringer product > > before buying. A couple > > > of years back I bough their 16 channel Euro > model > > and I have never > > > used it after the tour it was originally > purchased > > to serve. The > > > reason is that it simply degrades the sound so > > much that anything I > > > use it for sounds more as "that horrible > Behringer > > mixer" than like > > > music to my ears. I have another 16 channels > mixer > > made by Tascam and > > > this thing sounds so much better than the > > Behringer although it's > > > twenty years older and twenty times heavier > (maybe > > that's why?). A > > > trick might be to no send all your signals > through > > the mixer but only > > > use it for some, like effect loop return lines > and > > such. Then you > > > would at least have some sounds in your > > performance that won't come > > > out "crappified" through the PA. > > > > > > -- > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM, L.A. Angulo > > wrote: > > > > I will be checking this one out soon,i need a > > compact > > > > for traveling purposes it seems to be bulit > > after the > > > > mackie concept > > > > > > > > > > http://www.behringer.com/1204FX/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > > > > > alt 3/4 plus efx as well which is a must for > me > > > > price is unbeatable > > > > sound quality we will wait and see... > > > > anyone has one or tried one yet? > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - New Mackie 802 VLZ3 > > > >> > > > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/802VLZ3/ > > > >> > This is a really nice, compact, high > quality > > mixer > > > >> by Mackie > > > >> > (finally!). A real improvement to the Tapco > > > >> quality... > > > >> > Especially GREAT is the ALT3/4 stereo bus: > I > > have > > > >> them on my Mackie > > > >> > Onyx, too. Really great for choosing what > you > > want > > > >> to route to your > > > >> > stereo looper. > > > >> > > > > >> > Best regards > > > >> > Buzap > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du > > Leute > > > >> mit Deinen Interessen! > > > >> > Jetzt dabei sein: > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 15:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0DD13BEC0; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 33245161 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:27:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881AA9@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Thread-Index: Aci5xNMNhaVFTGpuTnSsRqRarGoSnA== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 15:27:17.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25CBA00:01C8B9C4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:27:20 +0000 (UTC) >>So using loops within hardware is ok, but using loops with a computer (Ableton?) is not?<< I didn't say that.=20 "playing CDs (or using a computer, IMO- our sequencers are hardware, & more akin to drumboxes) is dishonest & furthermore, is asking for trouble of a technical nature. but that's just my opinion. :-)" sure, there's a very fine line between the kind of processing that happens in bespoke hardware & what one has in the average laptop. but the average laptop is a good deal more fragile of an undertaking (on stage, at least) than a repeater. that's the hardware issue out the way. perhaps I wasn't clear enough about what I did mean, though..... I was referring to the lip-syncers, the artists who have pro-tools multitrack recordings running, over which they mime.=20 I had a bad experience at a "cardiacs" gig once where the band refused to come on stage until the rented fostex started working. they managed half a song before it conked out again. there's a line one draws, I suppose, & that's too far to the other side of it for me.=20 on the other hand, I saw an orb gig grind to a halt when one sampler ingested too much oil from the smoke machine..... now that was just unfortunate. one of them was entire songs (or arrangements as parts thereof), while the other was for little loops & breaks & (possibly) musical notes. I suspect that cluster could've put on an excellent show with the two synths, had their CD players packed up. I do wonder if they would've, though. I think it's a matter for y'r own conscience as a musician, ultimately. d. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 15:37:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D5FD3BEB9; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:37:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=crGCp4APfrPsHD7+oBvPWpRrbIH19bAXhrr/huHFN/cMXBqDWyrP5QZExaKyoBpHttpXnyDBN+tYD13Mt5znRwROR9cd8SvHnxNisIjY+f2PDoIKdj3Rl4uWj3uD7GVZsJ0ItLejFz/1OdH8A+/YpuKLrR15UJ/3idFt0rKfUbU=; X-YMail-OSG: Md2ESekVM1nRgZ7cbqg4gL4qvdCCODQBJZ82o3v4x5aVwiw0mKzLmvgiENs.e6VCtBRvjC2_gvsNDUqHJ5v9PO.F.LOAzhxAdNQm4mlqnE10ChZX8RtXl7CvuMM- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: Bose L1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1468912613-1211211030=:36688" Message-ID: <626314.36688.qm@web88306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:37:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1468912613-1211211030=:36688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any body ever used or own one before? http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/musicians/index.jsp&src=MUSICIANS --0-1468912613-1211211030=:36688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any body ever used or own one before?
     
    --0-1468912613-1211211030=:36688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 16:14:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 283F33BEC0; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4831A743.5030901@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:13:55 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tiny PA References: <698896.33978.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <698896.33978.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Interesting...these are basically small bass amps, no? Have you run other things through them? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I run everything into a small Behringer mixer - > out to a BBE sonic Maximizer and then send the > two signals to two small Hartke kickbacks. The 12" > model easily covers the 5th string of my bass guitar > w/out distorting at all. > The fidelity would be better if I chose the small keyboard > amps, which I'll prob upgrade to but, the BBE cleans > it all up amazingly. Presto - a tiny PA I have no > trouble moving around. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 16:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAA313BEC3; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a201c8b9cd$23dba2d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <626314.36688.qm@web88306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:26:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I have a Bose L1 system and use it regularly. It is definitely a different type of system. The idea behind it is that you don't need monitors because you can put it behind the musician and it avoids feedback. I find that the feedback elimination isn't 100% perfect, but I have never gotten into a situation that I couldn't correct by rearranging the positions of things. The sound out of the system is good and seems to project well. If you are using the system for bass or keys, you will likely need the system with 2 subwoofers. We did discover this year when looping voice and bass through the Bose, that the bass was suppressed by the system if the microphone was too close to the Bose system. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 16:38:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F7593BEAF; Mon, 19 May 2008 16:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Bose L1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:38:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8B9A4.E6EFCEF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <626314.36688.qm@web88306.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aci5xjtSyxEQw0NjQ+yHIP0A5fVlBgABgXGw Message-Id: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:38:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8B9A4.E6EFCEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use it). My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something else. I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds back. I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on top. Can't recommend it enough. dave www.microwavedave.com _____ From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any body ever used or own one before? http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT &url=/musicians/index.jsp&src=MUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C8B9A4.E6EFCEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I’ve been using a Bose L1 = with two subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since 2004.  = It’s a great system.  When on concert stages with sound reinforcement, I = just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a = monitor.  The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will get a bass or kick = out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18” powered subwoofer for extra = large rooms, but rarely use it).  My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your link.  I do = about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band dates) and I’ve never = wished I was using something else.

     

    I get compliments on the sound at = every gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a = Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create = bass sounds—all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an = EDP.  The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set = up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of = it, yet never feeds back.  I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a = great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and = solos on top.  Can’t recommend it = enough.

     

    dave

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From: JASON = CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 19, = 2008 10:31 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose = L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has = any body ever used or own one before?

     

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    I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch w= ith the pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd li= ke ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of od= d sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the guita= r and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long = strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that = can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that can= register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perfe= ct or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'.  And h= ow far back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn&= #39;t seem horribly dated or overly limited?  Oh yes, and price is alw= ays a concern.  The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afrai= d, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something that is to= o limited either due to its being inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get in= to the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.

    So if anyo= ne feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, tha= t would be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look at guitar synth s= ites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a = pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the p= ossibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the = larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend.<= br>
    Thanks

    Kevin


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    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_17796_9458445.1211221014057-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 18:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7416A3BE8C; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=rLscL7UhjnUl1YVyw0ETomZSM9Drm0VVe1JLrkkZFlA=; b=W7cWHLb8x01fSGlUO++9pKyednqgj7I2Q/rCxKW5Y2YRSc4qm61s6Cqi63IKLS/2tF4/hm6wUAsilXM2aegMAQ11wm50KL68tVvLTJDXqDDecX85WCzp+/MWF25rk8dSyHNx2A7H2+qixygUTXpaQaPkTWNbQWvulL2SOJVvDMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=EDAoa3FV8mX8BzNkXtwyPVf0UaCyvXbTmFtDTyWRC63ChlEw1DCEvQbxYmzMpsmSq3id5kZi971f4Nj3GSBARn4D0alYJICGgtnJXgPCiL5KYKewz7Wg2yGqduWPpldgcJj6D5QF6RH2Q8YBpk8NerjZthB9ThZdsSz1i3saSeg= Message-Id: <5D4F0CC6-A0E7-42F3-A8D7-E47F8F62357F@gmail.com> From: David Hayes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-987898584 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:55:32 -0700 References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7QKTSB.A.G1D.w0cMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:55:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-987898584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup system. These pickups are the best, most playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's not some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich makes them and it may take a while to obtain even the correct information about which is right for you. http://www.rmcpickup.com/ You'll need to email him what you have and ask what you need. Then it may be easier to have the guy who runs a local guitar store near his work shop actually ride his bike over and get it and ship it to you rather then Rich himself. The guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. Berkeley CA 94703, (510) 841-4106. Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, which means replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have a separate box like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into. My bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of guitars... electric, acoustic, and nylon string. I think the whole thing ended up costing me around $6-700 installed. A lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between using it or not using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many blips, bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. Nothing's perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good luck! On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic > questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best > resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't > think of a better place to start most times. That said, I wanted to > ask any of the guitar synth players their advice on the best options > at the moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with > the pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a > wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love > the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways > (more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic > instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and > picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide > dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning > fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far back can I go > in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem > horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a > concern. The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I > don't want to waste the time and money on something that is too > limited either due to its being inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get > into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering > their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could > look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on > this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and > all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm > not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which > is why I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to > have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org --Apple-Mail-5-987898584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Axon AX 100 = or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup = system. 

    These pickups are the best, most = playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's not some mass produced thing = though... some guy named Rich makes them and it may take a while to = obtain even the correct information about which is right for = you. 


    You'll need to email him what you have and ask what you = need. Then  it may be easier to have the guy who runs a local = guitar store near his work shop actually ride his bike over and get it = and ship it to you rather then Rich = himself. 

    The guitar shop near his = workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. Berkeley CA = 94703,  (510) 841-4106. 

    Then you'll need to have your local guitar = shop install, which means replacing the bridge with his and installing = the 13 pin plug. The actual conversion electronics may not fit in your = guitar... I have a separate box like this http://www.rmcpickup.co= m/polydriveii.html I plug into.  My bridge looks like this = one: http://www.rmcpickup.c= om/powrbridgest.html . I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for = all kinds of guitars... electric, acoustic, and nylon = string.

    I think the whole = thing ended up costing me around $6-700 installed. A lot, I know, but to = me it was the difference between using it or not using it. I tried = Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many blips, = bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. = Nothing's perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good = luck!



    On May 19, 2008, = at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

    I = sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here = and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of = information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better = place to start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the = guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the moment.
    =
    I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with = the pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd like = ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of = odd sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the = guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick = with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need = something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, = something that can register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't = have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be = 'musical'.  And how far back can I go in the technology and still = have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited?  = Oh yes, and price is always a concern.  The cheapest route is = always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and = money on something that is too limited either due to its being = inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is = the best way to get into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and = so on.

    So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and = offering their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated.  I know = I could look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the = people on this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically = and all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm = not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which is = why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope = another OT question doesn't offend.

    Thanks

    Kevin


    --

    Till now you seriously considered yourself = to be the body and to have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which = is the root cause of all trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi = (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

    = --Apple-Mail-5-987898584-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:00:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445E93BEAF; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lMf/pCctvCPk9BZeJ7F2gHjaMJIrgCJJUPqjgMz5wTY=; b=i/sxW980Y0RfiOzLgu1Xr5siI6cZ3AsttKgUTME0dBGtE5Jr10dgqW7dzcppV9b4Zlr5StePumYxUS/4HaX9L65zhzq07CtyyLsauP+P48nhlIFR5FbAEQw88ju2zovFBmOl9K9iFjnvosxab878uwvvdSaqq9NfuqA9iV3rXoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VUJMWcPDByfBQ0NeUO7SNbe1HW+r9Y+MaaDgzNlQMhgCsRMhhYrPGmUwVBSQX17Z7HhjbYSL8UAH9zQmJDgxlLed/fvVCaYHHVCrcryoOd3prK7obZNcmEBvdz9jdnWBRByJejFWzNXUcAUb3qJRxoJCp9XGspbAcZZwwUHXPTA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:00:11 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17788_17419314.1211223612023" References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:00:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17788_17419314.1211223612023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth players >their advice on the best options at the moment. Hi Kevin, A lot depends on how much you have to spend. I went with relatively cheap to get into it. I got a Roland GR50 (old tech) and GK2a pickup, mounted it on a reasonably decent Ibanez guitar. Total cost around $550. The GR50 isn't superb, but it works, tracks ok, but I do get glitches. With the totally bizarre stuff I record, glitches aren't a big deal. hehe. I rarely use any of the builtin sounds on the GR50, I use it to control one of the other synths (usually a Morpheus and M3R) I later bought a Brian Moore iGuitar and I like that better than the Ibanez with the GK. If I had the cash and wanted to move up a notch, I'd go for a GI20 interface, but your talking $350 or so just for that. Add an iGuitar (for around $600) you are set. All you need is a MIDI synth, or PC with softsynths. You're looking at around $1000 with no synth. If you want to be able to do pick scratches and noises, you might look into a VG8/88/99. They are synthy like, but not really synths. You still need the GK pickup for that. They won't convert to MIDI. But the 99 looks awfully cool. Way pricey at $1200 (or so) You can get a VG8 for $250 or so on ebay. If you want to move way up in price, take a look at the Axons. So, cheap and works - GR50 w/ GK2a on one of your existing guitars. Not-so-cheap and nice - GI20, Brian Moore iGuitar and a MIDI synth. Hope that helps. Tony On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here > and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of > information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better > place to start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar > synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the > pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide > variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love the feel of > the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick > with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need > something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, > something that can register a wide dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to > be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far > back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem > horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a concern. > The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to > waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its > being inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into > the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their > opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could look at guitar > synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming > from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of > the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the > larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_17788_17419314.1211223612023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar sy= nth players >their advice on the best options at the moment.


    Hi Kevin,

    A lot depends on how much you have to spend.
    I went with relatively cheap to get into it.  I got a Roland GR50 (o= ld tech) and GK2a pickup, mounted it on a reasonably decent Ibanez guitar.&= nbsp; Total cost around $550.  The GR50 isn't superb, but it works= , tracks ok, but I do get glitches.  With the totally bizarre stuff I = record, glitches aren't a big deal.  hehe.

    I rarely use any of the builtin sounds on the GR50, I use it to control= one of the other synths (usually a Morpheus and M3R)  I later bought = a Brian Moore iGuitar and I like that better than the Ibanez with the GK.&n= bsp;

    If I had the cash and wanted to move up a notch, I'd go for a GI20 = interface, but your talking $350 or so just for that.  Add an iGuitar = (for around $600) you are set.  All you need is a MIDI synth, or PC wi= th softsynths.  You're looking at around $1000 with no synth.

    If you want to be able to do pick scratches and noises, you might look = into a VG8/88/99.  They are synthy like, but not really synths.  = You still need the GK pickup for that.   They won't convert to MID= I.  But the 99 looks awfully cool.  Way pricey at $1200 (or so)&n= bsp; You can get a VG8 for $250 or so on ebay.

    If you want to move way up in price, take a look at the Axons. 
    So, cheap and works - GR50 w/ GK2a on one of your existing guitars.Not-so-cheap and nice - GI20, Brian Moore iGuitar and a MIDI synth.
    Hope that helps.

    Tony

    On Mon, May = 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
    I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here = and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of informati= on about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better place to= start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth= players their advice on the best options at the moment.

    I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch w= ith the pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd li= ke ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of od= d sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the guita= r and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long = strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that = can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that can= register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perfe= ct or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'.  And h= ow far back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn&= #39;t seem horribly dated or overly limited?  Oh yes, and price is alw= ays a concern.  The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afrai= d, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something that is to= o limited either due to its being inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get in= to the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.

    So if anyo= ne feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, tha= t would be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look at guitar synth s= ites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a = pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the p= ossibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the = larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend.<= br>
    Thanks

    Kevin

    --

    Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and t= o have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.<= br>
    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

    ------=_Part_17788_17419314.1211223612023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28373BEC2; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3Hc/3hxDr2Ecyc88nGir+sxYacXfkc2ZHAku2hbqy9E=; b=WDlqP5fTNHuRxqKDEiOSZZl1pM0QYCJlZ0rHCOSUo7nmNmt57u1wWhOSHgFz3HRVWnocpitMbCFBiSwLrAtnZvSMYczZ+Ua989FA3FzCWRd3gNKZw5yClivlzclJZhve7JJDG0cHHPd9GgA1CbT1Lp7yRS5zg+0seORa8B535Rk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oZ5qGXkey9GKTPLA/sxc88wYnAL9cfWCmEMSBWrcEBdOtSWWUpGvrYRrxIorlUcmmxpt+WczUgXZoay7AAJMIOfh+rOu0EGk4TQBSc3O/YtfpqaXN/rRYiNgGVU26OBpF6Rj5+NlitESQTUaqZh0fNCXmp8Cz+lXjw/ZdQuUw6w= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:02:20 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <5D4F0CC6-A0E7-42F3-A8D7-E47F8F62357F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17808_6222412.1211223741017" References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> <5D4F0CC6-A0E7-42F3-A8D7-E47F8F62357F@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:02:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17808_6222412.1211223741017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.rmcpickup.com/ I've heard lots of great things about RMC pickups. I'm pretty sure Rich hangs out on the MIDI Guitar Yahoo group. I haven't read it for a while, so I'm not sure if he's still there. Tony On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, David Hayes wrote: > > Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup system. > > These pickups are the best, most playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's not > some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich makes them and it may > take a while to obtain even the correct information about which is right for > you. > > http://www.rmcpickup.com/ > > You'll need to email him what you have and ask what you need. Then it may > be easier to have the guy who runs a local guitar store near his work shop > actually ride his bike over and get it and ship it to you rather then Rich > himself. > > The guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. > Berkeley CA 94703, (510) 841-4106. > > Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, which means > replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual > conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have a separate box > like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into. My > bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . I > have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of guitars... electric, > acoustic, and nylon string. > > I think the whole thing ended up costing me around $6-700 installed. A lot, > I know, but to me it was the difference between using it or not using it. I > tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many blips, > bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. Nothing's > perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good luck! > > > > On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here > and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of > information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better > place to start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar > synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the > pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide > variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love the feel of > the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick > with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need > something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, > something that can register a wide dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to > be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far > back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem > horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a concern. > The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to > waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its > being inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into > the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their > opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could look at guitar > synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming > from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of > the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the > larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > ------=_Part_17808_6222412.1211223741017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline


    I've heard lots of great t= hings about RMC pickups.  I'm pretty sure Rich hangs out on the MI= DI Guitar Yahoo group.  I haven't read it for a while, so I'm = not sure if he's still there.

    Tony


    On Mon, May 19, 2008 a= t 2:55 PM, David Hayes <stringf= ling@gmail.com> wrote:

    Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC p= iezo pickup system. 

    These pickups are the be= st, most playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's not some mass produced th= ing though... some guy named Rich makes them and it may take a while to obt= ain even the correct information about which is right for you. 


    You'll need to = email him what you have and ask what you need. Then  it may be easier = to have the guy who runs a local guitar store near his work shop actually r= ide his bike over and get it and ship it to you rather then Rich himself.&n= bsp;

    Th= e guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 180= 0 Cedar St. Berkeley CA 94703,  (510) 841-4106. 

    <= /span>
    Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, = which means replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. T= he actual conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have a&nbs= p;separate box like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into. &n= bsp;My bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest= .html . I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of&nbs= p;guitars... electric, acoustic, and nylon string.

    I think the whole thing ended up costing me around $6-7= 00 installed. A lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between using = it or not using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too m= any blips, bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usabl= e. Nothing's perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. = Good luck!



    On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

    I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most o= ff topic questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the bes= t resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't th= ink of a better place to start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask= any of the guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the mo= ment.

    I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch = with the pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd l= ike ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of o= dd sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the guit= ar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long= strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that= can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that ca= n register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perf= ect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'.  And = how far back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn= 't seem horribly dated or overly limited?  Oh yes, and price is al= ways a concern.  The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afra= id, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something that is t= oo limited either due to its being inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get i= nto the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.

    So if any= one feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, th= at would be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look at guitar synth = sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a= pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the = possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the= larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend.=

    Thanks

    Kevin


    --

    Till now yo= u seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
    form. That = is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org



    ------=_Part_17808_6222412.1211223741017-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:03:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F040E3BEC7; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:03:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HsCh1WXT29NLz5dUSVQun1sixSrXMNQPb4JjuPU5hpc=; b=N5NZrHkem0kg6d+t1Pvm/PMTDMEriP70OsIQVF9k/zivdkJ+oXU4ddVsI8vrYqWICwlKdv6hu3eqfxf+19o6ZddcoQCVMFnN5H9lntbfq093O8RC/pM9k0PL51/R5V9hxqHkWx1TUl51JpNuK6OTAp3+crHlkK5aZpKGCJsndd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=yDPz4F9ZtFdCoh1EirevzMMwDRTDLg/L7492PONiATtEcH44R9fy8ArvvZcpIMSRDbXuPN+ru7nCfICleh6e70F+majPlC+3b9wQx9NJpAskuHAz/ncqA0ouRVIDdNFF7F4rmOXeQmBRsFr7Z1hS9Imnm9g3I767zn0EDYYoLnA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:03:19 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Is using Pre-Recorded Loops Cheating? In-Reply-To: <340581.66977.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20163_26271973.1211223800020" References: <004f01c8b5e2$3f59df70$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> <340581.66977.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:03:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20163_26271973.1211223800020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ah - how you rip my heart out of my chest and beat me over the head with it. :p On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > so while we are on this topic,are there any really > groovy drum loops out there made specially for solo > live musicians? ------=_Part_20163_26271973.1211223800020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ah - how you rip my heart out of my chest and beat me over the head with it.

    :p

    On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 9:06 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
    so while we are on this topic,are there any really
    groovy drum loops out there made specially for solo
    live musicians?

    ------=_Part_20163_26271973.1211223800020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:06:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E629D3BE97; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0d5de46e-0add-4477-859c-02ac9e43cb19_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.234.239] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:06:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 19:06:17.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[6ABD1330:01C8B9E3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:06:18 +0000 (UTC) --_0d5de46e-0add-4477-859c-02ac9e43cb19_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, i'll take this one for my 2p... =20 well, I own 2 guitars with hex pups, (One GK3 one Yamaha) and an old roland= GR09 I would say pickupwise they both track as would have expected, no mo= re no less. they are however easier to set up then i thougth and cope with = picking, finger picking and plucking with a differance in volume but very e= ven response times. the latency is good enough for me , but then im a slow = player and the pickups cope very will with chords as well as individual not= es. the gr09 was a steal for me at just over =A3100 used on ebay with a pickup,= the samples have a little hiss to them but really once they have gone thro= ugh my fx, that makes no differance at my top end synth does too!! =20 as far as what you are looking for i would imagine you would get more milag= e out of the VG series as these constantly track the hex signal and apply m= odelling to achieve differant timbres rather then using the clean signal of= a guitar string to trigger a stored sample. the benifit of this is the vg = modellers can track changes such as pick scrapes, extreme bends and otehr = similar things where as the gr series are just looking for a deffinate fund= emental to trigger the relevant sample. =20 =20 the other non midi think that can give unusual sounds is the line 6 variax = series, these can be tuned up and down elecronically but rather convincingl= y from within the body of the guitar (U NEED THE RELEVANT SOFTWARE TOO) the= y model a large range of guitars including a pasable acoustic and banjo the= se plus your techniques could yield some interesting possibilities. =20 anyways, just some ideas to start you off. =20 Phill =20 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:16:53 -0700From: billowhead@gmail.comTo: loopers-= delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: OT: Guitar SynthI sometimes feel like I= ask far and away the most off topic questions here and yet, I find this co= mmunity to be one of the best resources of information about a wide variety= of things so I can't think of a better place to start most times. That sa= id, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth players their advice on the bes= t options at the moment.I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start fr= om scratch with the pickups and then the synth itself and so on.What I'd li= ke ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of od= d sounds and percussive elements. I really love the feel of the guitar and= like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long strin= gs instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that can t= rack odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that can regi= ster a wide dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightnin= g fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far back can I go in the= technology and still have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or ov= erly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a concern. The cheapest route i= s always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and mon= ey on something that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now= And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into t= he synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.So if anyone feels lik= e having a go of this question and offering their opinions, that would be g= reatly appreciated. I know I could look at guitar synth sites and forums, = but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a pretty sympatheti= c space musically and all share an expansive view of the possibilities of m= usic that I'm not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world = which is why I'm asking here first.And if not, so it goes, I hope another O= T question doesn't offend.ThanksKevin-- Till now you seriously considered y= ourself to be the body and to have aform. That is the primal ignorance whic= h is the root cause of all trouble.- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)Sound and V= ision: http://www.minds-eye.org=20 _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/= --_0d5de46e-0add-4477-859c-02ac9e43cb19_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok, i'll take this one for my 2p...
     
    well, I own 2 guitars with hex pups, (One GK3 one Yamaha) and an old roland= GR09  I would say pickupwise they both track as would h= ave expected, no more no less. they are however easier to set up then i tho= ugth and cope with picking, finger picking and plucking with a differance i= n volume but very even response times. the latency is good enough for me , = but then im a slow player and the pickups cope very will with chords as wel= l as individual notes.
    the gr09 was a steal for me at just over =A3100 used on ebay with a pickup,= the samples have a little hiss to them but really once they have gone thro= ugh my fx, that makes no differance at my top end synth does too!!
     
    as far as what you are looking for i would imagine you would get more milag= e out of the VG series as these constantly track the hex signal and apply m= odelling to achieve differant timbres rather then using the clean signal of= a guitar string to trigger a stored sample. the benifit of this is the vg = modellers can track changes such as pick scrapes, extreme bends  and o= tehr similar things where as the gr series are just looking for a deffinate= fundemental to trigger the relevant sample.
     
     
    the other non midi think that can give unusual sounds is the line 6 variax = series, these can be tuned up and down elecronically but rather convincingl= y from within the body of the guitar (U NEED THE RELEVANT SOFTWARE TOO) the= y model a large range of guitars including a pasable acoustic and banjo the= se plus your techniques could yield some interesting possibilities.
     
    anyways, just some ideas to start you off.
     
    Phill


     
    Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:16:53 -0700
    From: billowhead@gmail.com
    To: = loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: OT: Guitar Synth

    I s= ometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here and= yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of information = about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better place to start = most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth player= s their advice on the best options at the moment.

    I'm completely new= to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the pickups and then the s= ynth itself and so on.

    What I'd like ideally is a way to use the gui= tar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements.&= nbsp; I really love the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-tradi= tional ways (more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic in= strument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and picking = strength and the like, something that can register a wide dynamic range.&nb= sp; Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need= to be 'musical'.  And how far back can I go in the technology and sti= ll have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited? = Oh yes, and price is always a concern.  The cheapest route is always = best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and money on som= ething that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now

    A= nd then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into th= e synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.

    So if anyone fe= els like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, that wou= ld be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look at guitar synth sites = and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a prett= y sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the possib= ilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the larger on= -line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it go= es, I hope another OT question doesn't offend.

    Thanks

    Kevin

    --

    Till now you seriously considered yourself= to be the body and to have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which i= s the root cause of all trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
    Sound and Vision: h= ttp://www.minds-eye.org

    Get fish-slapping on M= essenger! Play Now = --_0d5de46e-0add-4477-859c-02ac9e43cb19_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:15:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58BC3BEB2; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-989101334 Message-Id: <58baa617f8c85f14d739d606459d40fb@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:15:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:15:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-989101334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The old Roland synth guitars (without the module) aren't that=20 expensive. And the touch LFO is amazingly cool - you can get=20 absolutely wack sounds with it. I have the GR808 and GR 303 I think=20 the numbers are. Jimmy Page used the 808 and Fripp/Andy Summers etc=20 used the 303. Word on the street at the time was that the 303 worked=20 better. I liked both of them. Bought the 303 because the 808 cracked=20= at the neck laminations (vibration from flying) and I sent it back to=20 the factory and they said it would be months, which it was, before I'd=20= see it again. And they're very decent sounding guitars too. I think=20 they're re-tooled Ibanez gtrs. I think I'd do that rather than change=20 around an existing guitar that you're happy with. I've seen em on Ebay for less than a thousand bucks. I used it a lot on our too far ahead of the times "Circus Underwater)=20 1981ish album. It's a monster sound when you get all the stars to line=20= up. With the module and the transpose functions you can do inhuman=20 stuff. I used it with an Ibanez UE400 effects module and tape=20 echoplex direct. Axon is shipping their new MIDI pickup as we speak. I wanna try one on=20= my acoustic guitars. Let me know if any of you do or have done this=20 already. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 19-May-08, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions=20= > here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of=20= > information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a=20 > better place to start most times.=A0 That said, I wanted to ask any of=20= > the guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the=20 > moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the=20= > pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a=20 > wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements.=A0 I really love = the=20 > feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more=20= > like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so=20= > I would need something that can track odd strikes and picking strength=20= > and the like, something that can register a wide dynamic range.=A0=20 > Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would=20 > need to be 'musical'.=A0 And how far back can I go in the technology = and=20 > still have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly=20 > limited?=A0 Oh yes, and price is always a concern.=A0 The cheapest = route=20 > is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time=20= > and money on something that is too limited either due to its being=20 > inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get=20= > into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering=20 > their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated.=A0 I know I could=20= > look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on=20= > this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all=20= > share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm not=20 > sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which is why=20= > I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > --=20 > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all=20 > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org= --Apple-Mail-1-989101334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 The old Roland synth guitars (without the module) aren't that expensive. And the touch LFO is amazingly cool - you can get absolutely wack sounds with it. I have the GR808 and GR 303 I think the numbers are. Jimmy Page used the 808 and Fripp/Andy Summers etc used the 303. Word on the street at the time was that the 303 worked better. I liked both of them. Bought the 303 because the 808 cracked at the neck laminations (vibration from flying) and I sent it back to the factory and they said it would be months, which it was, before I'd see it again. And they're very decent sounding guitars too. I think they're re-tooled Ibanez gtrs. I think I'd do that rather than change around an existing guitar that you're happy with. I've seen em on Ebay for less than a thousand bucks.=20 I used it a lot on our too far ahead of the times "Circus Underwater) 1981ish album. It's a monster sound when you get all the stars to line up. With the module and the transpose functions you can do inhuman stuff. I used it with an Ibanez UE400 effects module and tape echoplex direct.=20 Axon is shipping their new MIDI pickup as we speak. I wanna try one on my acoustic guitars. Let me know if any of you do or have done this already. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C =20 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com =20 www.broombusters.org On 19-May-08, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better place to start most times.=A0 That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the pickups and then the synth itself and so on. What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements.=A0 I really love the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide dynamic range.=A0 Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'.=A0 And how far back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited?=A0 Oh yes, and price is always a concern.=A0 The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated.=A0 I know I could look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first. And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. Thanks Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: = 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.minds-eye.org= --Apple-Mail-1-989101334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:25:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B2EE3BE90; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mHmbzVCth4EfAO10rcyXbg)" Message-id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:25:21 -0400 References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_mHmbzVCth4EfAO10rcyXbg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable One system not mentioned is the Ghost System by Graph Tech. I recently =20= picked up a Godin Freeway with the Ghost installed by the factory. =20 Works Great. I would reccomend the Axon AX 50. The Axon stuff tracks =20 WAY better then the Roland. Very fast. Beware there manual is the =20 worst and customer support is non existent. Although they have a good =20= forum. The Ax50 is a USB interface with no internal sounds meant to =20 drive soft synths. The AX100 has internal sounds, but they are =20 horrible. Straight outta 1987. Anyway you could easily use this rig with Logic or Ableton. Heres a video from the forum. http://gallery.mac.com/absorbmusic#100017 Good luck On May 19, 2008, at 3:06 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > ok, i'll take this one for my 2p... > > well, I own 2 guitars with hex pups, (One GK3 one Yamaha) and an old =20= > roland GR09 I would say pickupwise they both track as would have =20 > expected, no more no less. they are however easier to set up then i =20= > thougth and cope with picking, finger picking and plucking with a =20 > differance in volume but very even response times. the latency is =20 > good enough for me , but then im a slow player and the pickups cope =20= > very will with chords as well as individual notes. > the gr09 was a steal for me at just over =A3100 used on ebay with a =20= > pickup, the samples have a little hiss to them but really once they =20= > have gone through my fx, that makes no differance at my top end =20 > synth does too!! > > as far as what you are looking for i would imagine you would get =20 > more milage out of the VG series as these constantly track the hex =20 > signal and apply modelling to achieve differant timbres rather then =20= > using the clean signal of a guitar string to trigger a stored =20 > sample. the benifit of this is the vg modellers can track changes =20 > such as pick scrapes, extreme bends and otehr similar things where =20= > as the gr series are just looking for a deffinate fundemental to =20 > trigger the relevant sample. > > > the other non midi think that can give unusual sounds is the line 6 =20= > variax series, these can be tuned up and down elecronically but =20 > rather convincingly from within the body of the guitar (U NEED THE =20 > RELEVANT SOFTWARE TOO) they model a large range of guitars including =20= > a pasable acoustic and banjo these plus your techniques could yield =20= > some interesting possibilities. > > anyways, just some ideas to start you off. > > Phill > > > > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:16:53 -0700 > From: billowhead@gmail.com > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Guitar Synth > > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic =20 > questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best =20= > resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't =20 > think of a better place to start most times. That said, I wanted to =20= > ask any of the guitar synth players their advice on the best options =20= > at the moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with =20 > the pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a =20= > wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love =20 > the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways =20 > (more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic =20 > instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and =20= > picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide =20 > dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning =20 > fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far back can I go =20 > in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem =20 > horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a =20 > concern. The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I =20= > don't want to waste the time and money on something that is too =20 > limited either due to its being inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get =20= > into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering =20 > their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could =20 > look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on =20= > this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and =20 > all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm =20 > not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which =20 > is why I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > --=20 > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to =20 > have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all =20 > trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play Now --Boundary_(ID_mHmbzVCth4EfAO10rcyXbg) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable One system not mentioned is the = Ghost System by Graph Tech. I recently picked up a Godin Freeway with = the Ghost installed by the factory. Works Great. I would reccomend the = Axon AX 50. The Axon stuff tracks WAY better then the Roland. Very fast. = Beware there manual is the worst and customer support is non existent. = Although they have a good forum. The Ax50 is a USB interface with no = internal sounds meant to drive soft synths. The AX100 has internal = sounds, but they are horrible. Straight outta 1987. 
    Anyway you = could easily use this rig with Logic or Ableton. 
    Heres a = video from the forum. 


    Good = luck




    On May 19, 2008, at 3:06 PM, phillip wilson wrote:

    ok, i'll take this one = for my 2p...
     
    well, I own 2 guitars with hex pups, (One GK3 = one Yamaha) and an old roland GR09  I would say = pickupwise they both track as would have expected, = no more no less. they are however easier to set up then i thougth and = cope with picking, finger picking and plucking with a differance in = volume but very even response times. the latency is good enough for me , = but then im a slow player and the pickups cope very will with chords as = well as individual notes.
    the gr09 was a steal for me at just over = =A3100 used on ebay with a pickup, the samples have a little hiss to = them but really once they have gone through my fx, that makes no = differance at my top end synth does too!!
     
    as far as what = you are looking for i would imagine you would get more milage out of the = VG series as these constantly track the hex signal and apply modelling = to achieve differant timbres rather then using the clean signal of a = guitar string to trigger a stored sample. the benifit of this is the vg = modellers can track changes such as pick scrapes, extreme bends  = and otehr similar things where as the gr series are just looking for a = deffinate fundemental to trigger the relevant = sample.
     
     
    the other non midi think that can give = unusual sounds is the line 6 variax series, these can be tuned up and = down elecronically but rather convincingly from within the body of the = guitar (U NEED THE RELEVANT SOFTWARE TOO) they model a large range of = guitars including a pasable acoustic and banjo these plus your = techniques could yield some interesting = possibilities.
     
    anyways, just some ideas to start you = off.
     
    Phill


     
    Date: Mon, = 19 May 2008 11:16:53 -0700
    From: billowhead@gmail.com
    To: loopers-delight@looper= s-delight.com
    Subject: OT: Guitar Synth

    I sometimes feel = like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here and yet, I = find this community to be one of the best resources of information about = a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better place to start = most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth = players their advice on the best options at the moment.

    I'm = completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the = pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd like = ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of = odd sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the = guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick = with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need = something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, = something that can register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't = have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be = 'musical'.  And how far back can I go in the technology and still = have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited?  = Oh yes, and price is always a concern.  The cheapest route is = always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and = money on something that is too limited either due to its being = inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is = the best way to get into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and = so on.

    So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and = offering their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated.  I know = I could look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the = people on this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically = and all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm = not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which is = why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope another = OT question doesn't offend.

    Thanks

    Kevin


    -- 

    Till now you = seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
    form. That = is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

    - = Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

    Get = fish-slapping on Messenger! Play = Now

    = --Boundary_(ID_mHmbzVCth4EfAO10rcyXbg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:27:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD8BD3BE9E; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=cQfW2x6P1UHRi1WW4rnO6++d5zNGvxl8LR5AxJ9zn+o=; b=gs1P/rkZwq2185uBZZobdV8Wj6t9mQaKEAuzNdRYkdPrOqVCB7xKyX4Rq/QRd6zLriYgA/c1aTwUGNEB/TSckx2PN335Jyk+ParD6NMlvnFiAKw82MvmEn4TKwlXJAb9mXQsfboftbDs3bMvrjAGjqJfWOyJCyj/4O/AXXy+dug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=Ir/tMli56JMhPgJl4y6NZGRvsx/vfjUAYLUcTsHsR3rKSMobxxUjMvWOH3zbeSnmliUMiPjmUAh5/Wyup27DR5Zq/V55K5O9aHJYcRRfZtab4hVltd/MZKAe3qDSWsnUoO09FsiBc5UBw4zpVQqxesHuZk+STfXKfaulFDRyabM= Message-Id: From: David Hayes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Visualization as a tool. Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:27:10 -0700 References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2Xsk8D.A.k6E.iSdMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:27:30 +0000 (UTC) I guess this is technically off topic but all that talk about viral music in your head got me thinking about something that has really helped me in my looping... the technique of visualization. When you hear music (in your head or out) you can practice visualizing the different parts. For me, this meant starting with one part and picturing colored lights for each of the following notes or chords--- each light is above or below then the light which proceeded it, by however many "steps" I thing it sounds like, corresponding with the notes. The colors can change to represent things too, such as different instruments, specific intervals, velocity and expression. After a while, I got good at actually SEEING the music played on a fret board, keyboard, or saxophone, with fingers and everything. The key doesn't even have to be accurate, just the intervals, for it to be GREAT practice. I can't keep more then 3 parts in my head, and I can't run with that very long without it getting more abstract then precise. But the point I'm trying to share is that you can practice anywhere. Visualize everything.... your foot hitting record to start the loop, gaging the time while moving your fingers, all of it. If you do this right, it's about as good as actual practice.... Turns out you can improve you game while your in an elevator, washing the dishes, and wherever else you can blank out for a moment. And it's fun. This type of thing is good for any musician (any artist), but it's especially good for loopers. Helps raise the intention-to- experimentation ratio when juggling layers of sounds. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 19:28:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3653BE8D; Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E6.908111C5" Subject: RE: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DE33D@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Guitar Synth Thread-Index: Aci55osr2LqtZvAtRhO3fXZMrd6ZQw== References: From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 19:28:48.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FA1EE70:01C8B9E6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E6.908111C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll weigh in on this FWIW. I have a wide range of interests in using MIDI - I started wanting easy transcription of whatever I played, for use in a sequencer or notation program. The degree of accuracy desired is high and very dependent on your technique as well as equipment, and it hasn't a chance of picking up anything beyond pitch and duration. =20 Over time my interest has gravitated more towards what it seems Kevin is after, where accuracy is less important than ease of widening the sound world radically. =20 All that said, a few thoughts in no particular order: 1. The RMC pickups are great. I have them in a Cumpiano custom classical and 2 Godins. 2. Godins with RMC setup are fantastic right out of the box, but not cheap. 3. The Ghost system by Graphtech is pretty much equivalent in terms of performance. However, I have found Richard McLish (RMC) to be more reliable and supportive of the luthier doing the install. Richard is a true gentleman who backs up his product. All that said, the Ghost system I had put in a guitar last fall is splendid. 4. I have a Roland GI-10 13-pin-to MIDI box, works well, less costly than GI-20 or the Axons. I think a GI-10 would track acceptably for you, Kevin. I personally long for an AX-100. 5. No system I know will pick up "non-guitar" sounds and convert them in any useful way to MIDI. Bang on the box all you want, but rely on the pickup signal and mics to convey that sound to the audience or a processing setup. 6. RMC and Ghost are piezo pickups with the characteristic piezo quack. Some folks find they can EQ that to a sound they like; I'm not among them. If that matters, be sure your selected setup allows your mag pickups to be routed separately or mixed in or both, as the Godins do. I imagine the other guitars that come MIDI-ready have similar options. 7. Casio made an early MIDI guitar that does the pitch-to-MIDI right at the guitar. I left mine in a closet for years after I started playing Godins, BUT when I went through a defretting jag last year and defretted the Casio MG500, which I always liked just as a guitar, I started using the MIDI features again and found it is truly useful for (as discussed above) somewhat wild and woolly but still musical synth driving. You may find these cheap on Ebay, but I gather from a recent quick perusal of postings that many old Casios have developed some problems. Mine is still working as well as it ever did.=20 8. Lastly, note that the way synths and samplers respond varies a lot. =20 Hal Dean =20 From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth =20 =20 http://www.rmcpickup.com/ I've heard lots of great things about RMC pickups. I'm pretty sure Rich hangs out on the MIDI Guitar Yahoo group. I haven't read it for a while, so I'm not sure if he's still there. Tony =20 On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, David Hayes wrote: =20 Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup system.=20 =20 These pickups are the best, most playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's not some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich makes them and it may take a while to obtain even the correct information about which is right for you.=20 =20 http://www.rmcpickup.com/ =20 You'll need to email him what you have and ask what you need. Then it may be easier to have the guy who runs a local guitar store near his work shop actually ride his bike over and get it and ship it to you rather then Rich himself.=20 =20 The guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. Berkeley CA 94703, (510) 841-4106.=20 =20 Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, which means replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have a separate box like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into. My bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of guitars... electric, acoustic, and nylon string. =20 I think the whole thing ended up costing me around $6-700 installed. A lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between using it or not using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many blips, bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. Nothing's perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good luck! =20 =20 =20 On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better place to start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the pickups and then the synth itself and so on. What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a concern. The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could look at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first. And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. Thanks Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E6.908111C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I’ll weigh in on this FWIW. I have a wide range of interests in using MIDI – I started wanting easy transcription of whatever I played, for use in a sequencer or notation program. The = degree of accuracy desired is high and very dependent on your technique as well as = equipment, and it hasn’t a chance of picking up anything beyond pitch and = duration.

     

    Over time my interest has gravitated more towards what it = seems Kevin is after, where accuracy is less important than ease of widening the = sound world radically.

     

    All that said, a few thoughts in no particular = order:

    1.       The RMC pickups are great. I have them in a Cumpiano = custom classical and 2 Godins.

    2.       Godins with RMC setup are fantastic right out of the box, = but not cheap.

    3.       The Ghost system by Graphtech is pretty much equivalent = in terms of performance. However, I have found Richard McLish (RMC) to be more = reliable and supportive of the luthier doing the install. Richard is a true = gentleman who backs up his product.  All that said, the Ghost system I had = put in a guitar last fall is splendid.

    4.       I have a Roland GI-10 13-pin-to MIDI box, works well, = less costly than GI-20 or the Axons. I think a GI-10 would track acceptably = for you, Kevin. I personally long for an AX-100.

    5.       No system I know will pick up “non-guitar” = sounds and convert them in any useful way to MIDI. Bang on the box all you = want, but rely on the pickup signal and mics to convey that sound to the audience = or a processing setup.

    6.       RMC and Ghost are piezo pickups with the characteristic = piezo quack. Some folks find they can EQ that to a sound they like; I’m not = among them. If that matters, be sure your selected setup allows your mag = pickups to be routed separately or mixed in or both, as the Godins do. I imagine = the other guitars that come MIDI-ready have similar options.

    7.       Casio made an early MIDI guitar that does the = pitch-to-MIDI right at the guitar. I left mine in a closet for years after I started playing Godins, BUT when I went through a defretting jag last year and defretted = the Casio MG500, which I always liked just as a guitar, I started using the MIDI = features again and found it is truly useful for (as discussed above) somewhat = wild and woolly but still musical synth driving. You may find these cheap on = Ebay, but I gather from a recent quick perusal of postings that many old Casios have developed some problems. Mine is still working as well as it ever did. =

    8.       Lastly, note that the way synths and samplers respond = varies a lot.

     

    Hal Dean

     

    From:= Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:02 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth

     

     


    I've heard lots of great things about RMC pickups.  I'm pretty sure = Rich hangs out on the MIDI Guitar Yahoo group.  I haven't read it for a = while, so I'm not sure if he's still there.

    Tony

     

    On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, David Hayes <stringfling@gmail.com> = wrote:

     

    Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup system. 

     

    These pickups are the best, most playable way to do = Guitar Midi. It's not some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich = makes them and it may take a while to obtain even the correct information = about which is right for you. 

     

     

    You'll need to email him what you have and ask what = you need. Then  it may be easier to have the guy who runs a local = guitar store near his work shop actually ride his bike over and get it and ship it to = you rather then Rich himself. 

     

    The guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. = Berkeley CA 94703,  (510) 841-4106. 

     

    Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, which means = replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have = a separate box like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into.  My bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds = of guitars... electric, acoustic, and nylon string.

     

    I think the whole thing ended up costing me around = $6-700 installed. A lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between using = it or not using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many = blips, bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. = Nothing's perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good = luck!

     

     

     

    On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote:



    I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most = off topic questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best = resources of information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a = better place to start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the = guitar synth players their advice on the best options at the moment.

    I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the = pickups and then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the = feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a = stick with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need = something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, something that = can register a wide dynamic range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perfect = or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'.  And how far back = can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem horribly = dated or overly limited?  Oh yes, and price is always a concern.  = The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to = waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get = into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on.

    So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look = at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list = are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an = expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common = out in the larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend.

    Thanks

    Kevin


    --

    Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

     

     

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    “What I'd like ideally is a way = to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements.  I really love the feel of the guitar and like to play it = in non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long strings instead of as = a melodic instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and = picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide dynamic = range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need = to be 'musical'.  And how far back can I go in the technology and still = have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly = limited? “

     

     

    I have both an RMC system and various Gk2 pickups. The RMC is = mounted in a flamenco guitar. I have a GR30 that is out dated and aside from the = programmable arpeggiator, doesn’t have much to offer sound wise. Better off = with an Axiom or GR-20 and a good sound module or sampler, or something like the = VG-99. The reality is though is none of those pickups will trigger as = accurately as a keyboard doing the same thing. Also string to string lag time is = different on each string with the bass strings being the slowest to trigger and the = treble being the fastest. Which means it will challenge you to play a little = ahead of the beat and more precisely, and none of these systems are free from the = chirps and hiccups that fret buzz, muffed notes and dead spots can create, or = the note yodeling that happens when the string dies out suddenly and leaves the = synth hanging. The good news is you will have more happy accidents = J

     Good Luck.

     Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C8B9B2.F943B360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 20:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBC23BE89; Mon, 19 May 2008 20:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:45:47 -0600 References: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your last post Dave. I have been meaning to ask the same question that Jason did, and your description of your setup, though a little more involved than mine, is pretty close to what I've been doing. Mine involves running a Taylor 514c with a combination of pickups through a POD x3 live, including bass lines, guitar body percussion and the use of the amp simulation looped with an RC 50, so what you're describing is pretty close. Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 20:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4DF3BE89; Mon, 19 May 2008 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:51:47 -0600 References: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:51:47 +0000 (UTC) One followup for Dave,....do you have any video online of yourself playing with that set up with the L1? John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:00:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFAEA3BE94; Mon, 19 May 2008 21:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aqd3X3ine80A:10 a=w8nRnXFSrRYA:10 a=kQvPkOeUglzpbyfrgMQA:9 a=F8gKZVgB13hSsdl8lPoA:7 a=E7I_LDAHulQewztIp35nUdTWjK8A:4 a=bc-At0-sGGwA:10 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=Zk3OmFfbAAAA:8 a=4Pt7KdhInCA8FzYsjlcA:9 a=0MSL7pxUCy4G556ghJcA:7 a=RtKxqgUwwsQoVCWMa2_RjCZUjxcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-995378150 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: The Return of the One-Man Band Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:00:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:00:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-995378150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed thanks for forwarding this. i love owen pallet and have always felt a =20= kinship (classically-trained-looping-string-players-from-ontario). On May 19, 2008, at 11:05 AM, J Johans wrote: > an incredible article if you have time to read it - click the link =20 > below "the return of the one man band" > > im familiar with st. vincent, but not the guy who plays his violin =20 > through 5 guitar amps =3DD > > enjoy > > > > > Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i=92m Initiative =20 > from Microsoft. --Apple-Mail-1-995378150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 thanks for forwarding this. i love owen pallet and have always felt a = kinship = (classically-trained-looping-string-players-from-ontario).


    On May 19, 2008, at 11:05 AM, J Johans = wrote:

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    = --Apple-Mail-1-995378150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:12:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0B4D3BE97; Mon, 19 May 2008 21:12:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Y0FaY96RihDbTJsXvTZB0GvpK020kOgbbHncfelItVY=; b=rrWQuyxUyrBgXhfs9uC/ZTilZI5IU2+sriGoOibbgfVXa8iMWukYd7UwJ40A+lqsZtmVQ0d0HYdIPQEGce0cN/sg9TrcBrpnqOq5wKFA3WOKSWGPPpFHUH/Xd7j5fV9xiQ4ajngt42Wh6tybJ86LHvAAzGC7hhtdW3Hsm5eHjnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qcQVMuR4YjfiLOV8OEM7RIQTM7v3BjFYUkaj7kp1T/X0+si98UVkB5m73e3Tdtf9yMgsjKYK1sGMdq6dQvAf7TH5qNs19MYLfXTWlFnkmDLPPpXVNbirBATR/gfhK4sWmhMyiMpP4w7yNqM/00mxatLeZ/Tswj0EhBlt2lQFdiY= Message-ID: <4759e5740805191412m2a9be02o6ffb68380d18b198@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:12:37 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Visualization as a tool. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21018_30396532.1211231557119" References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:12:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21018_30396532.1211231557119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >From a veteran 39 year practicer, THANK you. whether it's in the way you said it, the lights, I don't know what, you just opened up something for me. I've always visualized things, but not quite in this way... Thanks for laying this one out there. bests, todd On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, David Hayes wrote: > > I guess this is technically off topic but all that talk about viral music > in your head got me thinking about something that has really helped me in my > looping... the technique of visualization. > > When you hear music (in your head or out) you can practice visualizing the > different parts. For me, this meant starting with one part and picturing > colored lights for each of the following notes or chords---each light is > above or below then the light which proceeded it, by however many "steps" I > thing it sounds like, corresponding with the notes. The colors can change to > represent things too, such as different instruments, specific intervals, > velocity and expression. > > After a while, I got good at actually SEEING the music played on a fret > board, keyboard, or saxophone, with fingers and everything. > > The key doesn't even have to be accurate, just the intervals, for it to be > GREAT practice. > > I can't keep more then 3 parts in my head, and I can't run with that very > long without it getting more abstract then precise. > > But the point I'm trying to share is that you can practice anywhere. > Visualize everything.... your foot hitting record to start the loop, gaging > the time while moving your fingers, all of it. > > If you do this right, it's about as good as actual practice.... Turns out > you can improve you game while your in an elevator, washing the dishes, and > wherever else you can blank out for a moment. > > And it's fun. > > This type of thing is good for any musician (any artist), but it's > especially good for loopers. Helps raise the intention-to-experimentation > ratio when juggling layers of sounds. > > -- Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock. Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular. 7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_21018_30396532.1211231557119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >From a veteran 39 year practicer, THANK you.   

    whether it's in the way you said it, the lights, I don't know what, you just opened up something for me.  I've always visualized things, but not quite in this way... Thanks for laying this one out there.

    bests,  todd

    On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, David Hayes <stringfling@gmail.com> wrote:

    I guess this is technically off topic but all that talk about viral music in your head got me thinking about something that has really helped me in my looping... the technique of visualization.

    When you hear music (in your head or out) you can practice visualizing the different parts. For me, this meant starting with one part and picturing colored lights for each of the following notes or chords---each light is  above or below then the light which proceeded it, by however many "steps" I thing it sounds like, corresponding with the notes. The colors can change to represent things too, such as different instruments, specific intervals, velocity and expression.

    After a while, I got good at actually SEEING the music played on a fret board, keyboard, or saxophone, with fingers and everything.

    The key doesn't even have to be accurate, just the intervals, for it to be GREAT practice.

    I can't keep more then 3 parts in my head, and I can't run with that very long without it getting more abstract then precise.

    But the point I'm trying to share is that you can practice anywhere. Visualize everything.... your foot hitting record to start the loop, gaging the time while moving your fingers, all of it.

    If you do this right, it's about as good as actual practice.... Turns out you can improve you game while your in an elevator, washing the dishes, and wherever else you can blank out for a moment.

    And it's fun.

    This type of thing is good for any musician (any artist), but it's especially good for loopers. Helps raise the intention-to-experimentation ratio when juggling layers of sounds.




    --
    Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock.

    Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular.

    7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY
    ------=_Part_21018_30396532.1211231557119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF1A3BE82; Mon, 19 May 2008 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bPmJgMqmUEgguIvACcdzIVGX38VcPDH/xOSgn7114xU=; b=GYyykQh7GQQlw65hLO3mK2uDDKpgsa1J4SzcfYEi9TUjI8c85NytfQX4cDyzpilA9HKzwnQhkPzqOMRDo+h3z6W9SuN92UrJHAXmn9kms2zCAFMJiOapGf7cYbcSwvpYxpHbXOCsP1JDoAwaPODZpKWe+Lgq+arjBwUlNBXJ5lM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KhcDbZN65Vr4ejs/W/l2x0doGXZJbqk0hGN1oZp0WPM618hWhzl26loPu4V3pHBX4gqF9fovniuawit1I5lBqOzDtdYrcHix3e8AUQWssXLKX7nvpBB8DaERPxNjoG9Lwl6vaDl89KXKwT8Xb1n87Q4z9EnH07csFec9jByudKw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:32:23 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, My .05 (I've raised my rates to cover fuel costs!): I have both in-guitar (Godin xtSA) and GK pickups (Fender Squier w/ GK-3). You can pick up (no pun intended) a GK for not too much money and it will get you started, Yes, the Axon is an amazing bit of hardware, but not really inexpensive. I do recommend getting there when you can. As an alternative, there are lots of Roland GR-series guitar synths around that can be had for little. The in-guitar option is the way to go, personally, but it isn't cheap. I really love my Godin ... Other considerations to make: the GI-series of interfaces allow you to hook in a computer into the mix. You can access even more sounds and have ever greater MIDI capabilities this way. The Axon also offers this. Start simple and grow your system; there's LOTS of toys for when you can spend more money on it (I'm thinking of the the newest V-system from Roland ... ) and remember that with the MIDI connection you can hook up straight MIDI synth modules, as well as using MIDI foot controllers for things like effects processors and loopers. Good luck! Dennis P.S. I do have a GR-1 that needs some TLC that I could be persuaded to part with, if you go the GK route. On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions here > and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of > information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better > place to start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar > synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. > > I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the > pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide > variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love the feel of > the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more like a stick > with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I would need > something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and the like, > something that can register a wide dynamic range. Tracking doesn't have to > be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be 'musical'. And how far > back can I go in the technology and still have something that doesn't seem > horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, and price is always a concern. > The cheapest route is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to > waste the time and money on something that is too limited either due to its > being inexpensive now > > And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get into > the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. > > So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their > opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could look at guitar > synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming > from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of > the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in the > larger on-line world which is why I'm asking here first. > > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 21:51:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 188A23BE89; Mon, 19 May 2008 21:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Bose L1 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 16:51:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aci58ijuIH2ttSboSFWmMeq9nFwTPAABv6UA Message-Id: <20080519215106.797843BE7F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:51:06 +0000 (UTC) None that I know of--I recorded a live album in 2003 on my much simpler previous rig (guitars>pedals>Peavey Delta Blues>Boss RC20 [first model]) that has audio on the CD Baby page www.cdbaby.com/cd/microwave3 but the track samples are too short to exhibit the serious layering. Also, we edited out many 'construction choruses' where just a kick, snare, or bass simulation (made on guitar) were singly added as it made everything way too long. Fortunately, it was sales of that album that allowed me to upgrade to the EDP and Bose system, which has really opened up new options. dave www.microwavedave.com -----Original Message----- From: john floridis [mailto:john@johnfloridis.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bose L1 One followup for Dave,....do you have any video online of yourself playing with that set up with the L1? 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    ================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 22:00:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB35B3BE94; Mon, 19 May 2008 22:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2604 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 19 May 2008 22:00:07 UTC Message-ID: <4831ED79.3090100@pa.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:13:29 -0400 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: >I'm pleased to see that I've hit the nerve with this subject :-)) > >I would like to add one more thing to this comment: > > >I believe that the last sentence is only half the truth. True: It is the artist's task to "reach the unreachable". > > OK, sorry, but my English major side is poking through here. I think you mean "It is the artist's task to "reach for the unreachable", as, by definition, one cannot reach the unreachable. Or, as a far better poet than I once said (and I fully expect the list to be inundated with people who can remember which poet it was (-8): "A man's reach must 'er exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" >Howeever, if you are a _performing_ artist, the goal is different. I believe even Miles Davis - who has been known for a certain dislike of his audience -, when playing in a bar etc, would only be satisfied if there would be at least one person in the audience he could reach with his music. > > Ah, but how could he tell? His performances vastly touched me and influenced my music in so many ways, but how could he tell? I'm a jive-ass honky, and my reaction to an epiphany (which Miles delivered at several concerts) is a dumbfounded, slackjawed "let me go think about this for a millenia or so". Yeah, I was on my feet clapping, but he got that much when he simply walked on stage. And there is the question that while I can see his influence on my music, would he recognize it? And if he did recognize it, would he want to acknowledge it? (0-8 Sorry, I'm not sure what my point was. It's just that any mention of Miles Davis pushes my buttons. (-8 John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu >So, I think as _performing_ artists, you need to be in touch both with the "heavens/unreachable/unkown/creative force..." as well as the ordinariy people in your audience. If you just focus on one of these two, you will be either a bitter, unrecognized genius in his own musical world or a plain ego booster putting his narcissistic self into display. >But playing for an audience, pleasing them, being in touch with them is - with the right attitude and vision - not about a big ego but about a big HEART. > >My most significant exprience on this was this: >I used to push my muscic more into complexity, speed, wild rhythms, sophistication. Then coincidentally, I bought a live recording of Elizabeth Cotten. She was already very old on the recording and singing with a cracked voice. But she was a lovely woman, telling a story to her audience and TOUCHING the hearts of people. > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tm5-WdB_aVE > >This has changed my musical life. >And I would always trade a [add your favorite rock/jazz/fusion virtuoso here] solo to a simple song of hers. > >Buzap > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 19 22:46:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1D13BE90; Mon, 19 May 2008 22:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: <4831ED79.3090100@pa.msu.edu> References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> <4831ED79.3090100@pa.msu.edu> Message-id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:11:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:46:04 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, and Miles Davis never had a "look at me" attitude. (Sarcasm) On May 19, 2008, at 5:13 PM, John McIntyre wrote: > Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> I'm pleased to see that I've hit the nerve with this subject :-)) >> >> I would like to add one more thing to this comment: >> >> I believe that the last sentence is only half the truth. True: It >> is the artist's task to "reach the unreachable". >> > OK, sorry, but my English major side is poking through here. I > think you mean "It is the artist's task to "reach for the > unreachable", as, by definition, one cannot reach the unreachable. > Or, as a far better poet than I once said (and I fully expect the > list to be inundated with people who can remember which poet it was > (-8): "A man's reach must 'er exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven > for?" > >> Howeever, if you are a _performing_ artist, the goal is different. >> I believe even Miles Davis - who has been known for a certain >> dislike of his audience -, when playing in a bar etc, would only >> be satisfied if there would be at least one person in the audience >> he could reach with his music. >> > Ah, but how could he tell? His performances vastly touched me and > influenced my music in so many ways, but how could he tell? I'm a > jive-ass honky, and my reaction to an epiphany (which Miles > delivered at several concerts) is a dumbfounded, slackjawed "let me > go think about this for a millenia or so". Yeah, I was on my feet > clapping, but he got that much when he simply walked on stage. And > there is the question that while I can see his influence on my > music, would he recognize it? And if he did recognize it, would he > want to acknowledge it? (0-8 > > Sorry, I'm not sure what my point was. It's just that any mention > of Miles Davis pushes my buttons. (-8 > > John McIntyre > mcintyre@pa.msu.edu > >> So, I think as _performing_ artists, you need to be in touch both >> with the "heavens/unreachable/unkown/creative force..." as well as >> the ordinariy people in your audience. If you just focus on one of >> these two, you will be either a bitter, unrecognized genius in his >> own musical world or a plain ego booster putting his narcissistic >> self into display. >> But playing for an audience, pleasing them, being in touch with >> them is - with the right attitude and vision - not about a big ego >> but about a big HEART. >> >> My most significant exprience on this was this: >> I used to push my muscic more into complexity, speed, wild >> rhythms, sophistication. Then coincidentally, I bought a live >> recording of Elizabeth Cotten. She was already very old on the >> recording and singing with a cracked voice. But she was a lovely >> woman, telling a story to her audience and TOUCHING the hearts of >> people. >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tm5-WdB_aVE >> >> This has changed my musical life. >> And I would always trade a [add your favorite rock/jazz/fusion >> virtuoso here] solo to a simple song of hers. >> >> Buzap >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 00:34:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8F6F3BE94; Tue, 20 May 2008 00:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <82763F92641544E4943F73DDC02C5DE2@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DE33D@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:34:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C8BA19.9C493010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:34:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C8BA19.9C493010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which has the least latency? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dean, Hal=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: RE: OT: Guitar Synth I'll weigh in on this FWIW. I have a wide range of interests in using = MIDI - I started wanting easy transcription of whatever I played, for = use in a sequencer or notation program. The degree of accuracy desired = is high and very dependent on your technique as well as equipment, and = it hasn't a chance of picking up anything beyond pitch and duration. =20 Over time my interest has gravitated more towards what it seems Kevin = is after, where accuracy is less important than ease of widening the = sound world radically. =20 All that said, a few thoughts in no particular order: 1. The RMC pickups are great. I have them in a Cumpiano custom = classical and 2 Godins. 2. Godins with RMC setup are fantastic right out of the box, but = not cheap. 3. The Ghost system by Graphtech is pretty much equivalent in = terms of performance. However, I have found Richard McLish (RMC) to be = more reliable and supportive of the luthier doing the install. Richard = is a true gentleman who backs up his product. All that said, the Ghost = system I had put in a guitar last fall is splendid. 4. I have a Roland GI-10 13-pin-to MIDI box, works well, less = costly than GI-20 or the Axons. I think a GI-10 would track acceptably = for you, Kevin. I personally long for an AX-100. 5. No system I know will pick up "non-guitar" sounds and convert = them in any useful way to MIDI. Bang on the box all you want, but rely = on the pickup signal and mics to convey that sound to the audience or a = processing setup. 6. RMC and Ghost are piezo pickups with the characteristic piezo = quack. Some folks find they can EQ that to a sound they like; I'm not = among them. If that matters, be sure your selected setup allows your mag = pickups to be routed separately or mixed in or both, as the Godins do. I = imagine the other guitars that come MIDI-ready have similar options. 7. Casio made an early MIDI guitar that does the pitch-to-MIDI = right at the guitar. I left mine in a closet for years after I started = playing Godins, BUT when I went through a defretting jag last year and = defretted the Casio MG500, which I always liked just as a guitar, I = started using the MIDI features again and found it is truly useful for = (as discussed above) somewhat wild and woolly but still musical synth = driving. You may find these cheap on Ebay, but I gather from a recent = quick perusal of postings that many old Casios have developed some = problems. Mine is still working as well as it ever did.=20 8. Lastly, note that the way synths and samplers respond varies = a lot. =20 Hal Dean =20 From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth =20 =20 http://www.rmcpickup.com/ I've heard lots of great things about RMC pickups. I'm pretty sure = Rich hangs out on the MIDI Guitar Yahoo group. I haven't read it for a = while, so I'm not sure if he's still there. Tony =20 On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, David Hayes = wrote: =20 Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo pickup system.=20 =20 These pickups are the best, most playable way to do Guitar Midi. It's = not some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich makes them = and it may take a while to obtain even the correct information about = which is right for you.=20 =20 http://www.rmcpickup.com/ =20 You'll need to email him what you have and ask what you need. Then it = may be easier to have the guy who runs a local guitar store near his = work shop actually ride his bike over and get it and ship it to you = rather then Rich himself.=20 =20 The guitar shop near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. = Berkeley CA 94703, (510) 841-4106.=20 =20 Then you'll need to have your local guitar shop install, which means = replacing the bridge with his and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual = conversion electronics may not fit in your guitar... I have a separate = box like this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug into. My = bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . = I have a PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of guitars... = electric, acoustic, and nylon string. =20 I think the whole thing ended up costing me around $6-700 installed. A = lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between using it or not = using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many blips, = bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. Nothing's = perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good luck! =20 =20 =20 On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most off topic questions = here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best resources of = information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a better = place to start most times. That said, I wanted to ask any of the guitar = synth players their advice on the best options at the moment. I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the = pickups and then the synth itself and so on. What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a = wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love the = feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways (more = like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic instrument) so I = would need something that can track odd strikes and picking strength and = the like, something that can register a wide dynamic range. Tracking = doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but it would need to be = 'musical'. And how far back can I go in the technology and still have = something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly limited? Oh yes, = and price is always a concern. The cheapest route is always best for me = I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time and money on something = that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive now And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best way to get = into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so on. So if anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering = their opinions, that would be greatly appreciated. I know I could look = at guitar synth sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this = list are coming from a pretty sympathetic space musically and all share = an expansive view of the possibilities of music that I'm not sure really = is as common out in the larger on-line world which is why I'm asking = here first. And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. Thanks Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C8BA19.9C493010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Which has the least = latency?
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    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:28 = PM
    Subject: RE: OT: Guitar = Synth

    I=92ll=20 weigh in on this FWIW. I have a wide range of interests in using MIDI = =96 I=20 started wanting easy transcription of whatever I played, for use in a=20 sequencer or notation program. The degree of accuracy desired is high = and very=20 dependent on your technique as well as equipment, and it hasn=92t a = chance of=20 picking up anything beyond pitch and duration.

     

    Over=20 time my interest has gravitated more towards what it seems Kevin is = after,=20 where accuracy is less important than ease of widening the sound world = radically.

     

    All=20 that said, a few thoughts in no particular = order:

    1.      =20 The=20 RMC pickups are great. I have them in a Cumpiano custom classical and = 2=20 Godins.

    2.      =20 Godins=20 with RMC setup are fantastic right out of the box, but not=20 cheap.

    3.      =20 The=20 Ghost system by Graphtech is pretty much equivalent in terms of = performance.=20 However, I have found Richard McLish (RMC) to be more reliable and = supportive=20 of the luthier doing the install. Richard is a true gentleman who = backs up his=20 product.  All that said, the Ghost system I had put in a guitar = last fall=20 is splendid.

    4.      =20 I=20 have a Roland GI-10 13-pin-to MIDI box, works well, less costly than = GI-20 or=20 the Axons. I think a GI-10 would track acceptably for you, Kevin. I = personally=20 long for an AX-100.

    5.      =20 No=20 system I know will pick up =93non-guitar=94 sounds and convert them in = any useful=20 way to MIDI. Bang on the box all you want, but rely on the pickup = signal and=20 mics to convey that sound to the audience or a processing=20 setup.

    6.      =20 RMC=20 and Ghost are piezo pickups with the characteristic piezo quack. Some = folks=20 find they can EQ that to a sound they like; I=92m not among them. If = that=20 matters, be sure your selected setup allows your mag pickups to be = routed=20 separately or mixed in or both, as the Godins do. I imagine the other = guitars=20 that come MIDI-ready have similar options.

    7.      =20 Casio=20 made an early MIDI guitar that does the pitch-to-MIDI right at the = guitar. I=20 left mine in a closet for years after I started playing Godins, BUT = when I=20 went through a defretting jag last year and defretted the Casio MG500, = which I=20 always liked just as a guitar, I started using the MIDI features again = and=20 found it is truly useful for (as discussed above) somewhat wild and = woolly but=20 still musical synth driving. You may find these cheap on Ebay, but I = gather=20 from a recent quick perusal of postings that many old Casios have = developed=20 some problems. Mine is still working as well as it ever did.=20

    8.      =20 Lastly,=20 note that the way synths and samplers respond varies a=20 lot.

     

    Hal=20 Dean

     

    From: Tony K=20 [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:02 = PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re:=20 OT: Guitar Synth

     

     


    I've heard lots of great things about RMC=20 pickups.  I'm pretty sure Rich hangs out on the MIDI Guitar Yahoo = group.  I haven't read it for a while, so I'm not sure if he's = still=20 there.

    Tony

     

    On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:55 PM, David Hayes = <stringfling@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

     

    Axon AX 100 or AX-50 with an RMC piezo = pickup=20 system. 

     

    These pickups are the best, most playable way to = do Guitar=20 Midi. It's not some mass produced thing though... some guy named Rich = makes=20 them and it may take a while to obtain even the correct information = about=20 which is right for you. 

     

     

    You'll need to email him what you have and ask = what you=20 need. Then  it may be easier to have the guy who runs a local = guitar=20 store near his work shop actually ride his bike over and get it and = ship it to=20 you rather then Rich himself. 

     

    The = guitar shop=20 near his workshop is Subway Guitars, 1800 Cedar St. Berkeley CA=20 94703,  (510) 841-4106. 

     

    Then = you'll need to=20 have your local guitar shop install, which means replacing the bridge = with his=20 and installing the 13 pin plug. The actual conversion electronics may = not fit=20 in your guitar... I have a separate box like = this http://www.rmcpickup.com/polydriveii.html I plug = into.=20  My bridge looks like this one: http://www.rmcpickup.com/powrbridgest.html . I = have a=20 PRS-513, but he's got pickups for all kinds of guitars... = electric,=20 acoustic, and nylon string.

     

    I think the whole thing ended up costing me = around $6-700=20 installed. A lot, I know, but to me it was the difference between = using it or=20 not using it. I tried Rolland's magnetic pickup and got way too many = blips,=20 bleeps, inconsistencies, etc. etc. for it to be truly usable. = Nothing's=20 perfect, but the RMC yields quite good results. Good=20 luck!

     

     

     

    On May 19, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando = wrote:



    I sometimes feel like I ask far and away the most = off topic=20 questions here and yet, I find this community to be one of the best = resources=20 of information about a wide variety of things so I can't think of a = better=20 place to start most times.  That said, I wanted to ask any of the = guitar=20 synth players their advice on the best options at the = moment.

    I'm=20 completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with the = pickups and=20 then the synth itself and so on.

    What I'd like ideally is a way = to use=20 the guitar as a trigger for a wide variety of odd sounds and = percussive=20 elements.  I really love the feel of the guitar and like to play = it in=20 non-traditional ways (more like a stick with long strings instead of = as a=20 melodic instrument) so I would need something that can track odd = strikes and=20 picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide = dynamic=20 range.  Tracking doesn't have to be perfect or lightning fast but = it=20 would need to be 'musical'.  And how far back can I go in the = technology=20 and still have something that doesn't seem horribly dated or overly=20 limited?  Oh yes, and price is always a concern.  The = cheapest route=20 is always best for me I'm afraid, but I don't want to waste the time = and money=20 on something that is too limited either due to its being inexpensive=20 now

    And then there is the pick-up/interface, what is the best = way to=20 get into the synth (GK pick-ups or pre-wired guitar) and so = on.

    So if=20 anyone feels like having a go of this question and offering their = opinions,=20 that would be greatly appreciated.  I know I could look at guitar = synth=20 sites and forums, but I feel like the people on this list are coming = from a=20 pretty sympathetic space musically and all share an expansive view of = the=20 possibilities of music that I'm not sure really is as common out in = the larger=20 on-line world which is why I'm asking here first.

    And if not, = so it=20 goes, I hope another OT question doesn't=20 offend.

    Thanks

    Kevin


    -- =

    Till now=20 you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a
    form. That=20 is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble.

    -=20 Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org

     

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C8BA19.9C493010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 00:37:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19743BE94; Tue, 20 May 2008 00:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48321D30.8050909@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:37:04 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Tiny PA References: <698896.33978.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <698896.33978.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone for input...I've snagged a Yamaha Stagepas 300 on Ebay for $420 (second time I've made a "best offer" at 15% off the Buy It Now price and won...) - more than I wanted to spend originally, but having two very portable speakers and the tiny, separate six-channel powered mixer made the deal for me. I'll be using it a lot on tour this summer and will report back. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 02:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AD913BE89; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:28:35 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:28:43 +0000 (UTC) At 11:16 AM -0700 5/19/08, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > >I'm completely new to this so I'll have to start from scratch with >the pickups and then the synth itself and so on. > >What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a >wide variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I really love >the feel of the guitar and like to play it in non-traditional ways >(more like a stick with long strings instead of as a melodic >instrument) so I would need something that can track odd strikes and >picking strength and the like, something that can register a wide >dynamic range. Okay, the way I see this, it breaks down into two branching sets of two choices each. Ask yourself which you prefer. 1.) MIDI or V-Synth? If V-Synth, get a GK/Piezo setup, then spring for a VG-99. There's nothing else quite like it. Also, budget in an extra $200-400 and get an original VG-8 on Ebay to run in parallel (there are still a few nice things on the first grand-daddy unit that have never made it onto its siblings. Oh, and don't forget to download David Coffin's excellent patch banks for the VG-8; some wonderful stuff there). Or start with the VG-8 and move up later. This is the only solution that will let you track/translate all your current playing techniques. Every bump, slap, palm-mute, etc. Want to use an E-bow? No problem. Scrape your pick along a string? Comes right through. You could think of it more as an EXTREMELY advanced effect processor, since what it's doing is restructuring the actual sound coming from the guitar. No two VG's sound exactly the same, because no two guitars/guitarists sound exactly the same. Only issue here is whether it'll actually reproduce the types of sound you want. Dedicated MIDI synths give you other options, but also other problems. If MIDI, then go to branch #2.... 2.) Dedicated unit, or retrofit to your current axe? If you're looking at a retrofit, then there have already been plenty of good suggestions as far as pickups and converters. The only one I've not seen mentioned yet is the Yamaha G-50 Pitch-to-MIDI converter. It's an underappreciated model, but it has the same electronics as the Axon converters (Yamaha did a 3rd-party outsource with Axon). Therefore, from what I understand, it tracks excellently but still goes pretty cheap (~$175-200) on Ebay. I got one myself a couple of months ago, but had to put it into storage immediately as I was only a couple of days away from a long-distance move. Also, you might look into finding a Switch guitar ( http://www.switchguitars.com/ ). Some of their models (the Innova range in particular) already have a GK pre-installed. For only about twice the cost of a GK pickup, you can have a whole new axe with the GK. And these are actually really, really nice guitars for the money. After a professional setup (it took a while for mine to settle in) these sound and play as good as any guitar you can name for under 4 figures. I got the Innova III MIDI, because I needed something fairly bulletproof for travel. I've rarely been this impressed with such an inexpensive guitar... ever. If you're willing to go for a dedicated controller, there are other options entirely. The biggest downsides to this architecture are that you probably won't be able to use the vibration of the string itself as audio (indeed, you might even find the tink, tink, tink, noises your pick is making a bit distracting) and you'll need to switch instruments in the middle of a set/song if you want to use your own guitar. The upsides are that you can just forget about concerns with latency entirely. For most intents and purposes, you'll never notice *any* tracking delay. Play a note, hear a note; no delay. Rarely will there be any glitches or mis-tracked notes either (forget about all those "pitch-to-glitch" jokes made in reference to Roland's MIDI tracking). For the current top-end dedicated MIDI controller, check out Harvey Starr's Ztar designs at http://www.starrlabs.com/ . I've actually got a Ztar Z6SX myself, but haven't gotten a chance to completely come to terms with it yet. I find the Starr controllers very much in the vein of a keyboard which has been refit into the form of a guitar. It actually is missing a good deal of the "magic" (read: randomness and musicality) I love about guitar synths. However, Harvey has programmed an amazing amount of MIDI functionality into his instruments. I'm certain that I can force the instrument to recreate a good deal of this magic, if only I can get a couple of weeks to dedicate to turning it inside out. I think I may also need one more hardware retrofit (key aftertouch on the fretboard) to get it to do what I need. At the other end of the price spectrum, you might look for a Casio DG-20. This thing looks and feels like a toy. It's strung with cheap nylon strings -- which give it this weird slinky feel -- and it actually looks like something you might find played on Star Trek TNG. The tracking is very good, however, and the internal sounds are not so horrible. It does MIDI wonderfully, with the exception of velocity (which is a big downer) so every note is played full on. Check out some of the videos on YouTube using this thing. I've seen at least one comedy duo that does an act with one, which gives you some idea of their use. I think you may be able to get a deal on Ebay too (just watch out for the lesser DG-10, which doesn't have MIDI, IIRC). I've had mine for over a decade, and I don't think I sprang more than $100 for it. Also, I've heard some extremely good things about the Yamaha EZ-EG and EZ-AG Learning Guitars. Seems they do a great job as a cheap MIDI controller. And a couple of the guys over at the KVR-VST forums put together some laptop widgets that turn them into quite powerful instruments. For full details, take a look at http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/ezeg/ and the really (really!) long discussion thread at KVR, http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41787 Finally, my personal favorite is the Yamaha G-10/G-10C (the G-10 is the guitar unit, and the G-10C is the required "brain" unit to make it do anything; the G-10 is useless on its own). This has been referred to on countless occasions as a "poor man's SynthAxe". It uses ultrasonics and the tracking is phenomenal. MIDI-wise, it's not quite as full-featured as a Ztar, but that's not for lack of trying -- velocity, pitch bend on the fretboard, mod wheel, footpedal, breath control, assignable tremolo arm, etc.. It's a very deep controller, and it "does something" to the different synths I use with it. They sound different than when using a keyboard controller; like, different instrument entirely. In fact, that's the thing I love about it: it makes synthesizers sound/feel like instruments. It takes a bit of tweaking to make it gel with a particular synth unit. I've had very good luck with a Prophet VS, an Oberheim Matrix 1000, and an E-Mu Morpheus. The latter unit is what I've had dedicated to my G-10 for the past couple years. When a combination comes together, however, it becomes a single instrument all unto its own. Only problems I've encountered with the G-10/G-10C are that you need to learn to ignore the sound an feel of the strings directly under your fingers. All six strings are "G" strings of the same gauge and tuning. After a while, you get used to merely listening to your synth though. Also, these are starting to get on in years (I bought mine new back in the late 80's) so you'll need to learn how to set it up yourself. That's a bit of a pain, and one reason why I grabbed a spare G-10 unit. Also, you never can be too sure about technology almost a quarter-century old. G-10/G-10C prices seem to be going up over the past couple years (perhaps because of scarcity?) so expect to pay $500-800 for a complete setup in good condition (make sure you get the cord too). Seems a little pricey, but its only real competitors using similar technology are the SynthAxe, Beetle Quantar, or Stepp Guitar (also the Peavey CyberBass if you play bass). And just try affording one of those, if you can even find one... ;) --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 02:52:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C80A3BE8C; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:51:57 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:52:02 +0000 (UTC) At 11:28 AM +0900 5/20/08, Mech wrote: > >1.) MIDI or V-Synth? Oops! That should read "MIDI or *VG-Synth*?". Sorry. "V-Synth" refers to a different technology entirely; completely unrelated to guitar synths. Gotta pay more attention to what I'm typing.... :P --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 07:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C2883BE82; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 14257423/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.174.247 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.174.247 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AioBAPgYMkhPRq73/2dsb2JhbAAIrWSCQg Message-ID: <48327C68.9090803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:23:20 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3K6vvC.A.IQB.nxnMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > Great. I would reccomend the Axon AX 50. The Axon stuff tracks WAY > better then the Roland. Very fast. Beware there manual is the worst and > customer support is non existent. Although they have a good forum. The > Ax50 is a USB interface with no internal sounds meant to drive soft > synths. The AX100 has internal sounds, but they are horrible. Straight > outta 1987. Cheapest way to acquire the Axon technology is to find a second hand Yamaha G50. Those have the Axon circuitry (and no onboard sounds, just midi-conversion). They work well with the Roland GK pickups. Does anyone know much about the "new" Axon pickup? Previously they sold a GK copy which only differed from the Roland in price. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 07:31:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BED7B3BE8D; Tue, 20 May 2008 07:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:31:39 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: <17Wiw.A.isB.d5nMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:31:41 +0000 (UTC) > At 11:28 AM +0900 5/20/08, Mech wrote: > Oops! That should read "MIDI or *VG-Synth*?". Sorry. > > "V-Synth" refers to a different technology entirely; completely > unrelated to guitar synths. Gotta pay more attention to what I'm > typing.... :P Yep, I have a Roland V-Synth and that's a 100% synthesizer with 61 keys ;= ) Interesting thread btw, I don't play guitar myself but I always have ha= d an interest in guitar synth technology. I would expect that devices suc= h as the VG-99 offer you incredible sound possibilities, especially if yo= u're a solo looper. The sky is the limit :) Sjaak=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 08:32:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42ECB3BE90; Tue, 20 May 2008 08:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <79CC661A-080E-4276-8630-1DAE61403516@mikecrain.com> From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: OS X.5.2 Drop out Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 00:34:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:32:44 +0000 (UTC) hey Everybody! Does anyone know about the occasional audio drop-outs in OS X .5.2? I've been trying to follow the thread, but I supposed I missed it somewhere. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 11:14:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98CF3BE81; Tue, 20 May 2008 11:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 34505633 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8BA6A.B39B2BB1" Subject: RE: OT: Guitar Synth Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:14:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881D29@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <82763F92641544E4943F73DDC02C5DE2@eluk1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Guitar Synth Thread-Index: Aci6aq6PppyI59wOR+eJDpLVg8Pp4Q== References: <82763F92641544E4943F73DDC02C5DE2@eluk1> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 11:14:42.0622 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3D1A5E0:01C8BA6A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:14:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BA6A.B39B2BB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the axon-50, with the roland pickup, is pretty fast even on a bass, though it's fiddly to set up & (as noted elsewhere) the manual is a bit pants. I used to use a GI-10 with a strat-copy but the delay sucked.=20 =20 the same guitar with the axon is so much better. the axon can tell, somehow, whereabouts you are picking the string aswell as how hard, & this data can be used to split patches so that different sounds emerge depending how you play. I didn't believe it until I tried it.=20 =20 I have had some minor niggles with this thing on a jazz bass, most likely the pickup itself- I might try some piezos wired into the roland hardware instead of their pickup, & see how the axon likes that. =20 if you can find one that still works, the peavey midibase (sic) takes some beating- it uses split-frets switching, so the piezo pickups in the bridge are for dynamics only. there are strain gauges in the bridge too, so it supports pitch-bend which can (by judicious editing at your synth/sampler/w.h.y.) be "synchronised" with the actual bass sound.=20 =20 I don't know why there was never a guitar version- steve chick (who dreamt the thing up & licensed it first to valley arts & then peavey) was a bass player himself, & maybe he thought the guitar market was already well-enough catered for. maybe the split frets approach wouldn't work so well with the closer string-spacing of a guitar. dunno.=20 I use my peavey a lot for augmenting the bass guitar sound & also (with the bass turned off) for keyboard sounds & other noises. one has to keep the strings & frets very clean. the bass itself is pretty reasonable- I have two of them (but only one adaptor box), three digits apart in serial number, & the second one is nowhere near as good to play. they look awful, though. the fingerboard between the frets is covered with some sort of glued-on vinyl to cover up the wiring routs, I guess. some of it is beginning to detach. but for a 15 year old instrument, & an esoteric one at that, it's doing pretty well. =20 d. 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    the axon-50, with the roland pickup, is pretty fast even on= a=20 bass, though it's fiddly to set up & (as noted elsewhere) the manual is= a=20 bit pants. I used to use a GI-10 with a strat-copy but the delay sucked.=20
     
    the same guitar with the axon is so much better. the axon c= an=20 tell, somehow, whereabouts you are picking the string aswell as how hard, &= amp;=20 this data can be used to split patches so that different sounds emerge depe= nding=20 how you play. I didn't believe it until I tried it.
     
    I have had some minor niggles with this thing on a jazz bas= s, most=20 likely the pickup itself- I might try some piezos wired into the roland har= dware=20 instead of their pickup, & see how the axon likes that.
     
    if you can find one that still works, the peavey midibase (= sic)=20 takes some beating- it uses split-frets switching, so the piezo pickups in = the=20 bridge are for dynamics only. there are strain gauges in the bridge too, so= it=20 supports pitch-bend which can (by judicious editing at your=20 synth/sampler/w.h.y.) be "synchronised" with the actual bass=20 sound. 
     
    I don't know why there was never a guitar version- steve ch= ick=20 (who dreamt the thing up & licensed it first to valley arts & then=20 peavey) was a bass player himself, & maybe he thought the guitar market= was=20 already well-enough catered for. maybe the split frets approach wouldn't wo= rk so=20 well with the closer string-spacing of a guitar. dunno.
    I use my peavey a lot for augmenting the bass guitar sound = &=20 also (with the bass turned off) for keyboard sounds & other noises. one= has=20 to keep the strings & frets very clean. the bass itself is pretty=20 reasonable- I have two of them (but only one adaptor box), three digits apa= rt in=20 serial number, & the second one is nowhere near as good to play. they l= ook=20 awful, though. the fingerboard between the frets is covered with some sort = of=20 glued-on vinyl to cover up the wiring routs, I guess. some of it is beginni= ng to=20 detach. but for a 15 year old instrument, & an esoteric one at that, it= 's=20 doing pretty well.
     
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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BA6A.B39B2BB1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 12:02:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39F43BE85; Tue, 20 May 2008 12:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1lcVJo8m/enSFgk9L9dQxMrN6yV0dy1av0S8+FIgWtE=; b=FJy77ckbJEE4mQ0vfz882Xdrln8p6InnA1IGVWEELakMZ5vag/csatXLDixEfHtWvC6VPp5Cyrx//lBD9+0G8kflnas0ivSvUl9xNA8WAn01yfuRlJkX6Ee0FA8lLVOVdcRlODFS+zq433pKqenVoCyc7s8ZtcYqCJV7U79ojSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TRUWsR5iI0rV0T2pkcXUhmh55rGP/FXvtRiextYv6itTMYCIw1NUJ/Krx06VAT2MZ7kc2Nzz8TFZrFAbks4su+TDBckWhmzWxtdjsrrMfL6CCzyLOzWG1YfjsfVKcYS/lLJTMjN3BcnNFbpVvgjRfIoR4zrGnBObSPtRNVaESc4= Message-ID: <4759e5740805200502udfee72cjb7f67ee3fa93b93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:02:49 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OS X.5.2 Drop out In-Reply-To: <79CC661A-080E-4276-8630-1DAE61403516@mikecrain.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1106_28187799.1211284969290" References: <79CC661A-080E-4276-8630-1DAE61403516@mikecrain.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1yy6tD.A.vzC.r3rMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:02:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1106_28187799.1211284969290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hey mike, it's your airport. turn it off, problem goes away, you can roll back to a previous version of airport as well. only a few days ago someone posted a link to the rollback solution. All Best, todd On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Mike Crain wrote: > hey Everybody! > > Does anyone know about the occasional audio drop-outs in OS X .5.2? > I've been trying to follow the thread, but I supposed I missed it somewhere. > > > MC > > -- Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock. Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular. 7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_1106_28187799.1211284969290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hey mike, 

    it's your airport.  turn it off, problem goes away, 

    you can roll back to a previous version of airport as well.

    only a few days ago someone posted a link to the rollback solution. 

    All Best,

    todd

    On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Mike Crain <mike@mikecrain.com> wrote:
    hey Everybody!

           Does anyone know about the occasional audio drop-outs in OS X .5.2? I've been trying to follow the thread, but I supposed I missed it somewhere.


    MC




    --
    Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock.

    Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular.

    7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY
    ------=_Part_1106_28187799.1211284969290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 13:04:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38ADA3BE87; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005801c8ba79$fe707090$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: union - carnegie hall Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:04:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C8BA93.23990990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:04:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C8BA93.23990990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey, i have not unsubscribed, i am back :) i have experienced a very weird problem with the union at the carnegie = hall last week. a piece of mine for "classical guitar and digital = playback ( or tape )" was scheduled to played by the turkish guitar = virtuoso cem duruoz. the piece includes live classical guitar and cd = playback. this is a 10 min piece. all i need for a setup like this is 2 = decent active speakers, 1 monitor and a cd player. the guys at carnegie = hall told him that they would need to be paid 2000$ to use the system = there. even if cem brought all his equipment to the hall, he would still = have to pay this amount because the sound engineer guys belong to the = union it seems. this is the weirdest thing i haver heard in along time. = is this really true? they told me that a lot of the venues in usa that = include mostly acoustic music ( classical most probably ) seem to have = this attitude.=20 Looking fwd to your comments and experience about this issue. Best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine www.newalbion.com/NA131 www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C8BA93.23990990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    hey,
     
    i have not unsubscribed, i am back :)
     
    i have experienced a very weird problem with the union at the = carnegie hall=20 last week. a piece of mine for "classical guitar and digital playback ( = or tape=20 )" was scheduled to played by the turkish guitar virtuoso cem duruoz. = the piece=20 includes live classical guitar and cd playback. this is a 10 min piece. = all i=20 need for a setup like this is 2 decent active speakers, 1 = monitor and a cd=20 player. the guys at carnegie hall told him that they would need to be = paid 2000$=20 to use the system there. even if cem brought all his equipment to the = hall, he=20 would still have to pay this amount because the sound engineer guys = belong to=20 the union it seems. this is the weirdest thing i haver heard in along = time. is=20 this really true? they told me that a lot of the venues in usa that = include=20 mostly acoustic music ( classical most probably ) seem to have this = attitude.=20
     
    Looking fwd to your comments and experience about this issue.
     
    Best regards.
     
    Erdem Helvacioglu
    www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
    = www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
    *=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    "Altered Realities" album is = out on New=20 Albion Records:
    chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
    www.newalbion.com/NA131
    www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A= /sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF= 8
    ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C8BA93.23990990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 13:10:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF083BEAE; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QnHU/55mu7TqcBaynWm0L/bjUQiBuKxQ4VGTEnhCpIk=; b=hlko9pUFU7bg431e5nIDTQ6w/qgJQiZTESiaOUgST2gMQAnQ8yfMO/7sKowIcH8TlLwL4JFpUimcXTjxvmlrs/rTXIR/Rw5cvLVQiH97Wb4c70vha2loFJPlVH2KEj728tLhr6ocF8aAsw/8VkMTJHLY4kUUM6eAwGHvqkj0q1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=euL5QXwqYWg13ztyAcdMoEvmW2ZDuui13m4NcWz9wpkn4/E5Y/r1X5wl71H0WgTVaseM6lUkiLQ75VNG4fq0OG6c3punCK/ISd86pxeQv/D8gjfGA5G2wDuu5jB5rlscvwTDcfcmn4LcHKhEBR2f3Lwj6m7dKopv/SQmQ5iwKCM= Message-ID: <4759e5740805200610i42e0278dp1756797dbcc83be4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:10:21 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: union - carnegie hall In-Reply-To: <005801c8ba79$fe707090$0300000a@erdem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1476_28276830.1211289021468" References: <005801c8ba79$fe707090$0300000a@erdem> Resent-Message-ID: <8APld.A.kKE.-2sMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:10:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1476_28276830.1211289021468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Erdem, Sadly, this is indeed the case, especially at the big halls in NYC. Things can be mitigated by being 'inside' the organization to a certain extent, i.e., 'knowing somebody', but in general, it is absolutely true, and difficult. What to do about it? Negotiate far in advance, and an argument can sometimes be made that the 'system' for the piece is one specially designed for the piece and MUST be brought in from the outside. At Carnegie, that probably still would not work. I've seen this countless numbers of times as I've played there and BAM and Tully. Some places are a little more relaxed than others, but when you run into a wall, it's a brick one. All best, and sorry you had problems! Todd On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > hey, > > i have not unsubscribed, i am back :) > > i have experienced a very weird problem with the union at the carnegie hall > last week. a piece of mine for "classical guitar and digital playback ( or > tape )" was scheduled to played by the turkish guitar virtuoso cem duruoz. > the piece includes live classical guitar and cd playback. this is a 10 min > piece. all i need for a setup like this is 2 decent active speakers, 1 > monitor and a cd player. the guys at carnegie hall told him that they would > need to be paid 2000$ to use the system there. even if cem brought all his > equipment to the hall, he would still have to pay this amount because the > sound engineer guys belong to the union it seems. this is the weirdest thing > i haver heard in along time. is this really true? they told me that a lot of > the venues in usa that include mostly acoustic music ( classical most > probably ) seem to have this attitude. > > Looking fwd to your comments and experience about this issue. > > Best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: > chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine > www.newalbion.com/NA131 > > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 > -- Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock. Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular. 7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_1476_28276830.1211289021468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Erdem,

    Sadly, this is indeed the case, especially at the big halls in NYC.  Things can be mitigated by being 'inside' the organization to a certain extent, i.e., 'knowing somebody', but in general, it is absolutely true, and difficult. 

    What to do about it?  Negotiate far in advance, and an argument can sometimes be made that the 'system' for the piece is one specially designed for the piece and MUST be brought in from the outside.  

    At Carnegie, that probably still would not work.  I've seen this countless numbers of times as I've played there and BAM and Tully.  Some places are a little more relaxed than others, but when you run into a wall, it's a brick one.

    All best, and sorry you had problems!

    Todd



    On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:
    hey,
     
    i have not unsubscribed, i am back :)
     
    i have experienced a very weird problem with the union at the carnegie hall last week. a piece of mine for "classical guitar and digital playback ( or tape )" was scheduled to played by the turkish guitar virtuoso cem duruoz. the piece includes live classical guitar and cd playback. this is a 10 min piece. all i need for a setup like this is 2 decent active speakers, 1 monitor and a cd player. the guys at carnegie hall told him that they would need to be paid 2000$ to use the system there. even if cem brought all his equipment to the hall, he would still have to pay this amount because the sound engineer guys belong to the union it seems. this is the weirdest thing i haver heard in along time. is this really true? they told me that a lot of the venues in usa that include mostly acoustic music ( classical most probably ) seem to have this attitude.
     
    Looking fwd to your comments and experience about this issue.
     
    Best regards.
     
    Erdem Helvacioglu
    www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
    www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records:
    chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine
    www.newalbion.com/NA131
    www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8



    --
    Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock.

    Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular.

    7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY
    ------=_Part_1476_28276830.1211289021468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 13:55:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A795B3BE8B; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=v4eu4T6jZBCxvLQ8RD+4Gb2AWNl/C9U5FrSgHoapwyU=; b=rp9o6u1XJUnoJof1J1PXzJp0G9mxHljkv34dJfuBEk0dFbebD3MYMGwZik8pu3a4U2tJs8REhjAMm99GJWqIsr2YnLU2u0VTkY6tng9SY4a+zemCDil8eF82NxtjqYBnLCAFSCoQR0Xaoe2Y29YrBzubRMCtJ+937l6LlaiJGpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=k2qeul0oWKTRnfy0jZtJdtXETeJCuOWRmrphEju2Qd172Ho5aWvAjSxYiLiPLM8cQhMwPP9veKqUorHVtrM/dMmOKXZnwk57PIBEibuSsOm8qrYn0FVDjktOEc62RGpcQvUVGr85GrrOaWNtG1eAls01AkHovTu5FS0qGSqqKwQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 06:55:30 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881D29@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1510_32025984.1211291731022" References: <82763F92641544E4943F73DDC02C5DE2@eluk1> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881D29@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:55:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1510_32025984.1211291731022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Split frets impede bending.Check out the Guitorgan for the earliest example of surprisingly workable split-fret sensor technology. The SynthAxe also used the split-fret approach. TH On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > > > I don't know why there was never a guitar version- steve chick (who dreamt > the thing up & licensed it first to valley arts & then peavey) was a bass > player himself, & maybe he thought the guitar market was already well-enough > catered for. maybe the split frets approach wouldn't work so well with the > closer string-spacing of a guitar. dunno. > ------=_Part_1510_32025984.1211291731022 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Split frets impede bending.
    Check out the Guitorgan for the earliest example of surprisingly workable split-fret sensor technology.  The SynthAxe also used the split-fret approach.

    TH

    On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Goddard, Duncan <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> wrote:


     
    I don't know why there was never a guitar version- steve chick (who dreamt the thing up & licensed it first to valley arts & then peavey) was a bass player himself, & maybe he thought the guitar market was already well-enough catered for. maybe the split frets approach wouldn't work so well with the closer string-spacing of a guitar. dunno.
    ------=_Part_1510_32025984.1211291731022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 14:04:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039E73BE93; Tue, 20 May 2008 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PXrIxut3axdlNh+S3JVLS3w9cGTOfFFazy5B1dHrevE=; b=azlvTIOqmX/N9kKrZGHpgbSJnJ6EhUkBm7KceJQPZG0tV6RsDn3/xjP788lkF44EtJirphqd35Yg1Rgik/OoeL0SW2gn8r6kLZMfTmi64xbcBasiI42fkLqtY3iGRYaRDitL92eIIkeeDXc5DsOCxT2zs/i7dUsUSbg337xEj4E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ipnq+puZua5u57UHVPLh2RoXeU33pttmK2jl8IT2hsFiWVNRy9gD+hnRaPhQgrbDFN2miCdFQD8AvhOkbFsr+VQqkImDMa3nfIBu2HL6dq8ysG0JKbNN9vKc02sXqRcZFrz0QVK9uYeHwMHwEDP6pL35iNSIQbJt8DoS6aMeU4s= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:04:47 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: union - carnegie hall In-Reply-To: <005801c8ba79$fe707090$0300000a@erdem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1557_5795900.1211292287528" References: <005801c8ba79$fe707090$0300000a@erdem> Resent-Message-ID: <6WBrHD.A.boF.AqtMIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:04:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1557_5795900.1211292287528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, this is part of how unions, for better or worse, operate. What you're supposed to think is "Wow--maybe I should join the union and get in on some of this action!" TH On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > > this is the weirdest thing i haver heard in along time. is this really > true? they told me that a lot of the venues in usa that include mostly > acoustic music ( classical most probably ) seem to have this attitude. > > > ------=_Part_1557_5795900.1211292287528 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, this is part of how unions, for better or worse, operate.  What you're supposed to think is "Wow--maybe I should join the union and get in on some of this action!"

    TH

    On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu <erdemhel@tnn.net> wrote:

    this is the weirdest thing i haver heard in along time. is this really true? they told me that a lot of the venues in usa that include mostly acoustic music ( classical most probably ) seem to have this attitude.
     


    ------=_Part_1557_5795900.1211292287528-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 17:08:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612E43BE7F; Tue, 20 May 2008 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: OS X.5.2 Drop out Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:16:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Great! Thanks Todd. Peace. mc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 18:24:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ADE53BE87; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=xIWnYnufXk4cn/EEXQIzddzOne3u9Su3WdhKZujNZfg=; b=tfXAKF9sxYfMbUTKL2hMgZGdQRcZGjwW+Qzw1BiXKJIl7mjjuuLPzLTb2osBAM1uXobCss2Hlx4Ja+BqcAItE7L1EVCI2p7Jw2yYWEDCtO/zMnm+IJtDQ7eeNoiOx/3jimfPkYS3KVLXtE/Yt6DAa3BnfMHDFE0yb+EeMao+0As= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iFxyTDh+NG2EaGmczZH3A4R90/dpa/CRhSRVZICtGUpIn3gS6YBpLvKNVxMWw5V/Cg61jcCuvj+KvV1e/EVEHZ0DZoLtovPQXNo1V3DHLT9vrI35F+g4WIKvRejAcIB5z1rkQm3SgGiMPPRD82Ay/0bnyDiHwuQfBsi8JclTrrw= Message-ID: <101191640805201124y7e8ad6bev7a43df55dfc21cd7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:24:29 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2778_27339503.1211307869685" References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> <4831ED79.3090100@pa.msu.edu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7370e55cc96f9f82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:24:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2778_27339503.1211307869685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Personally, I do not get and probably will never get the difference between artist and entertainer. There's just the difference between interested and uninterested (or shall we say, "discerning" and "dumb") audience members. I always make music to entertain myself. I hope that other people will be entertained by it, and try (not always successfully) to perform in a way that would be entertaining to me if I were in the audience. When I perform, I am thrilled if people are moved to go nuts and disappointed if not. Which is not to say that fulfilling any particular audience's expectations are part of my general goals for composition (although in a particular case it might be - i have no problem with commerciality other than that my tastes don't tend to lean that way, and, btw, I love(d) American Idol while rarely actually liking any of the songs performed there). And I do recognize that not every art-ifact that I produce is appropriate or would be appreciated in every setting. That doesn't diminish either the art or the setting. I just wish it were easier to find more smart audiences and settings! Warren Oh, and BTW, i freely confess - my ego (but not my inner sense of self-worth) is pretty fully engaged whenever i perform (indeed, it is fully engaged nearly all the time, but moderated with the substantial amts of humility that experience has wisely chosen to shove in my face). i don't see any reason to feel apologetic about this. ------=_Part_2778_27339503.1211307869685 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Personally, I do not get and probably will never get the difference between artist and entertainer. There's just the difference between interested and uninterested (or shall we say, "discerning" and "dumb") audience members.

    I always make music to entertain myself. I hope that other people will be entertained by it, and try (not always successfully) to perform in a way that would be entertaining to me if I were in the audience. When I perform, I am thrilled if people are moved to go nuts and disappointed if not.

    Which is not to say that fulfilling any particular audience's expectations are part of my general goals for composition (although in a particular case it might be - i have no problem with commerciality other than that my tastes don't tend to lean that way, and, btw, I love(d) American Idol while rarely actually liking any of the songs performed there).

    And I do recognize that not every art-ifact that I produce is appropriate or would be appreciated in every setting. That doesn't diminish either the art or the setting.

    I just wish it were easier to find more smart audiences and settings!

    Warren

    Oh, and BTW, i freely confess - my ego (but not my inner sense of self-worth) is pretty fully engaged whenever i perform (indeed, it is fully engaged nearly all the time, but moderated with the substantial amts of humility that experience has wisely chosen to shove in my face). i don't see any reason to feel apologetic about this.


    ------=_Part_2778_27339503.1211307869685-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 18:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33DD93BE85; Tue, 20 May 2008 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dO+/hNCBBzpbeywds3VKitdAKN8X0doQQOceXVe2qm8mAqAWlrigEzDqiAb42KxQ5r48SWgx02YAdndLk4lRCDAd1FxGXWZADIkHEwrmaaAGnulhH4bmqAxCUlXLSPdD/R4+/ozXxeequKvQG/wpvmomeIPy8UbB2o0ZcqAVDLw=; X-YMail-OSG: bR9sb0sVM1lX1Myd5p1VoROvMDr.SNt7JN2otkFqzgtApBe_21TiEaEhUrMd.d7XU0U5OisCf_YlxJMZS25xtqKuSxp_OjkF.gYfsz2IafU6K7U7u463.Ui.LA-- Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Gig Spam - UK, near Norwich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-95702881-1211308470=:68331" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <12332.68331.qm@web53004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-95702881-1211308470=:68331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies to non-UK loopers for this. INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED SCULPTURE TRAIL The 5th Bergh Apton Sculpture Trail will take place over 3 weekends, from 24th May to 8th June 2008. The Trail offers an exciting opportunity to view important works exhibited in twelve rarely accessible private gardens set within an idyllic rural Norfolk village. This years Sculpture Trail theme is Balance. 61 Sculptors will be exhibiting and many will respond imaginatively to the serious environmental implications of Climate Change, exploring how we balance our needs responsibly and ethically with those of nature. Important East Anglian and international artists have been selected to exhibit. Final year students from Norwich School of Art & Design BA Visual Arts course will exhibit in gentle parkland and for the first time Shona stone sculptors from Zimbabwe will be included. Many works will be for sale allowing the public exclusive access to original works of art by renowned artists. The Trail will meander through the village, along footpaths, over a landscaped, former landfill site and through newly planted woodland. Live music will complement the settings; and there will be story-tellers, workshops and demos too even an especially composed performance by local schools. To promote environmentally responsible practice and reduce the carbon footprint of the Trail, there will be no transport other than for the less mobile. This event will be essentially for walkers & bicyclists only (bring your own). Bergh Apton is 6 miles from Norwich on the A146 Lowestoft Rd and 2 miles NW of Loddon. Signposted from the A47. Gardens will be open 1030hrs 1800hrs Full details: www.berghapton.org.uk/sculpturetrail/ I will be playing a couple of long improvised sets on Saturday 31st May, between 12:00 midday and 4:00pm, in garden number 12, near the church. There is an entrance fee of 10, this allowing admission to all the gardens and their delights. Come along. Stephen Scott www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher --0-95702881-1211308470=:68331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies to non-UK loopers for this.
    INTERNATIONALLY RENOWNED SCULPTURE TRAIL
    The 5th Bergh Apton Sculpture Trail will take place over 3 weekends, from 24th May to 8th June 2008. The Trail offers an exciting opportunity to view important works exhibited in twelve rarely accessible private gardens set within an idyllic rural Norfolk village. 
    This years Sculpture Trail theme is Balance. 61 Sculptors will be exhibiting
    and many will respond imaginatively to the serious environmental implications of
    Climate Change, exploring how we balance our needs responsibly and ethically
    with those of nature.
    Important East Anglian and international artists have been selected to exhibit.
    Final year students from Norwich School of Art & Design BA Visual Arts course
    will exhibit in gentle parkland and for the first time Shona stone sculptors from Zimbabwe will be included. Many works will be for sale allowing the public exclusive access to original works of art by renowned artists.
    The Trail will meander through the village, along footpaths, over a landscaped,
    former landfill site and through newly planted woodland. Live music will
    complement the settings; and there will be story-tellers, workshops and demos
    too even an especially composed performance by local schools.
    To promote environmentally responsible practice and reduce the carbon footprint of the Trail, there will be no transport other than for the less mobile. This event will be essentially for walkers & bicyclists only (bring your own).
    Bergh Apton is 6 miles from Norwich on the A146 Lowestoft Rd and 2 miles NW
    of Loddon.  Signposted from the A47.
    Gardens will be open 1030hrs 1800hrs
    Full details:
    www.berghapton.org.uk/sculpturetrail/
    I will be playing a couple of long improvised sets on Saturday 31st May, between 12:00 midday and 4:00pm, in garden number 12, near the church.  There is an entrance fee of 10, this allowing admission to all the gardens and their delights.  Come along.
    Stephen Scott
    www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher
     

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    ================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 22:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F23D3BE7F; Tue, 20 May 2008 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gQPmdkgZ6gfhPeAvZwFssXFgdmfRV1j1PNLGSmaEtbKHdtyMVYxDAN9n/kFG1a9LeVsOQnSFqARnq5f7wP1nzDZan+2IfKEwq/OF12CFhRPA32/Wxyoy7HW31/KlhTKJyp7m3L3zA1915r870CR1XZsiMY5o3YZuyhtUdmZWSDg=; X-YMail-OSG: ji_LbqIVM1l_JJqgIryt1mmpyF2pWKyH0_pbwVwMAOqk_cL.QX9rNcsE2pyXxkTkZw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/902.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: Bose L1 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-591222493-1211321332=:17808" Message-ID: <832229.17808.qm@web88308.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:08:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-591222493-1211321332=:17808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for the product review I think I will get one. --0-591222493-1211321332=:17808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    thanks for the product review I  think I will get one. 
    --0-591222493-1211321332=:17808-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 22:32:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 447763BE85; Tue, 20 May 2008 22:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9mY5BRGuy1jqU5cu2RpXcgrnaJGlvwcuu6vLC7hRm4g=; b=Lmzj+umAvk6utjtfjM8xuKXP3SBXcfIlv/bcgtKRh6wCcDJvugMN7ZhHAV/aKFBucerHnsQqvGloX2SDoHRp6WkFhxOfI9jjkIxU8vT7VsQ0wU6jrm2yiexXHm+sCaOeG046bPqHZeneFTSF8SzB+mmmKPu4Lv7gNeR8H0MEGZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=CQ1t8L85cD8RgAs+vKU4Biqk8rIrytVHpf8zkaDVkoXQq99ZDLhPbb4pwy1PnVijAfdaTfp9ISmCEjbK4K+Wvp9MVv4yQq4U+wg+1cqd1i3jVfQ0M1OotXjUxziJxVWWymgZyX07XzpYPmh4Gsm4UVDAMAg2z6kvMgcm5BThZf0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:32:51 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: VJ (looping) software? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3645_16640760.1211322771745" Resent-Message-ID: <_H7Jb.A.vpD.VG1MIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:32:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3645_16640760.1211322771745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Can anyone recommend software (for Mac) for a live video artist? It doesn't actually have to be able to loop, although that would of course be the ideal since the music will involve looping. Freeware or cheapware would be perfect. Thanks. ------=_Part_3645_16640760.1211322771745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Can anyone recommend software (for Mac) for a live video artist? It doesn't actually have to be able to loop, although that would of course be the ideal since the music will involve looping. Freeware or cheapware would be perfect.
     
    Thanks.
     
     
    ------=_Part_3645_16640760.1211322771745-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 23:03:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75EC3BE94; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: References: Message-id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: VJ (looping) software? Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:03:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7DWOuC.A.9ZE.7i1MIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Edirol's LiveMotion is probably the best. On May 20, 2008, at 6:32 PM, radio radio wrote: > Can anyone recommend software (for Mac) for a live video artist? It > doesn't actually have to be able to loop, although that would of > course be the ideal since the music will involve looping. Freeware > or cheapware would be perfect. > > Thanks. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 23:37:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EA733BE92; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:references; bh=MnuKg7BKGQOciRfnvkqZU15HOpoY4F6GCfE/76KEO3Q=; b=b/JC7v37+an7/IqvZcxbLRLpNwdCn3n9s3twX/h/CWlVFtHS/ORS2HnMAeMa2vm989fUkXYyRjWZcLEBHD0EiPFnbvzORNVy7tKx1Mx9REZhXjKkLhKM9UHxntaMiEbK0upPfiFoB1SGRzR0IAnfaIk4Uxi27T1+1WRd3JqGmc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:content-transfer-encoding:date:references; b=cl3kzNNHUML0uUGyZGpfyw38mKtiQber3S8YO9m9qyDbOUzgr/BOiUCXo7qg2/10zU3N5mIkvvmstjJZgJDVYhPVQ7QGlTjq24utNOzGo6hh8Se8B4wLWzSr6k8ndTLyT+3RZ4UqpJs3a99pHR9X5tZ0xGvsMijwVjIsCgnv0Dw= Message-Id: From: David Hayes To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Subject: Re: OT: VJ (looping) software? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:37:33 -0700 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Not cheap, but good: Livid Union or Livid Cell On May 20, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Edirol's LiveMotion is probably the best. > On May 20, 2008, at 6:32 PM, radio radio wrote: > >> Can anyone recommend software (for Mac) for a live video artist? It >> doesn't actually have to be able to loop, although that would of >> course be the ideal since the music will involve looping. Freeware >> or cheapware would be perfect. >> >> Thanks. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 20 23:56:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA8F3BE94; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005801c8bad5$25efebe0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: OT: VJ (looping) software? Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:56:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:56:42 +0000 (UTC) An ongoing list of software loopers. Refer to the Mac versions. http://www.krispenhartung.com/software-looping.htm K- >> Can anyone recommend software (for Mac) for a live video artist? It >> doesn't actually have to be able to loop, although that would of >> course be the ideal since the music will involve looping. Freeware >> or cheapware would be perfect. >> >> Thanks. >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 06:44:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6113BE84; Wed, 21 May 2008 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=2pM3EhCC/Y4pC9w5TfKr2AxK4Zv9bY6iRsFYl2pDXAo=; b=Wpl8OVaUKu5gHLLnrHuOU1b3rNoWDEUiT5NyF2je1jIP1j3K8vOB8aRwYOyZYov4cXFJSAnfzU9To9D8VoqsvV6s2EXmVJDeX4JFrwPSJj/4Whl5zV0dWuv6DtMrZuUX2e1dxEbou5mNtuuvxUg4JkeQyyn3vbLJJSSrQPa8u3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=t+yfLqP61wK0zgdydB1elwR+E4JGvd8g0jRK7aj+3hBU59Azj00QX8bfwwVkMlZoyRggdhOdzYcatPvxrSOCskREHiUiszgM45oKOADkF4nysfRm5rggZtFZI94CUNmEN4gJt6gfxwrn4ue+gEtuWYwHYAsjTxU74B8U66KD3tw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:44:24 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com Subject: gig spam: looping at the London Design Museum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 860451caf3c6e3ad To: undisclosed-recipients:; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Friday 23 May 2008, 6:30pm The Design Museum, Shad Thames, London, SE1 2YD Andrew Booker (electronic drums) Steve Lawson (bass) Os (laptop) + TBC one other see http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=159 cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 06:52:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B993BE87; Wed, 21 May 2008 06:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006701c8bb0f$29c68a00$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: Subject: Anybody seen Rick Walker? Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:51:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <6a1IiB.A.T2H.Va8MIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:52:05 +0000 (UTC) I'm hoping that Rick's trip is going so well that he hasn't had the desire to blog. Anybody seen him on his world tour? Are things going well? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 10:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C99C3BE84; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4833F735.50902@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:19:33 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Steve Vai - live looper References: <215682.93008.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <215682.93008.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:19:37 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo schrieb: > me too secon one is the best > what a great wank! yeah both are the same video and different musicians playing to it... Like the opposite of air guitar instead of fake visuals for real sound, make fake sounds to real visuals... ;-) All guitarists should create such a version of this video load it up tp youtube and in ten years nobody will know which was the original... Kind of proof of concept for history bending... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 10:37:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B2B3BE86; Wed, 21 May 2008 10:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4833FB6A.1070704@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:37:30 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando schrieb: > What I'd like ideally is a way to use the guitar as a trigger for a wide > variety of odd sounds and percussive elements. I would try to specify triggers for a limited amount of certain notes. That would have the advantage that you don't need a real pitch detection, which is technically complex and has latency issues... I don't think there exists ready made gear for this, but to do that in Max/MSP wouldn't be too hard. Basically have a peak filter and watch the volume. If it exceeds a threshold - trigger. You could do it as well with an analog modular synth, but in this case software is much more convenient... (But you'd need a laptop...) Having a Gk2 would be a plus, you could define triggers for different strings independently... If you have a pitch to Midi running already, triggering sounds is as simple as connecting a sampler with your own samples... > And if not, so it goes, I hope another OT question doesn't offend. No idea what this thread makes it OT... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:16:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4735C3BE7F; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4834048F.9000905@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:16:31 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth References: <82763F92641544E4943F73DDC02C5DE2@eluk1> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881D29@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208881D29@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan schrieb: > if you can find one that still works, the peavey midibase (sic) takes > some beating- it uses split-frets switching, so the piezo pickups in > the bridge are for dynamics only. there are strain gauges in the > bridge too, so it supports pitch-bend which can (by judicious editing > at your synth/sampler/w.h.y.) be "synchronised" with the actual bass > sound. I still have one, and as far as I know they don't use strain gauges, its simple a traditionnal pitch detection for correcting the pitch. As the range is defined already by the played fret, it can do that much faster and accurate. Unfortunately the pitch resolution for the bending in some of the playing modes is pretty limited, due to limitations of Midi, they have to play a note, and then pitch bend it... > I don't know why there was never a guitar version- steve chick (who > dreamt the thing up & licensed it first to valley arts & then peavey) > was a bass player himself, & maybe he thought the guitar market was > already well-enough catered for. maybe the split frets approach > wouldn't work so well with the closer string-spacing of a guitar. > dunno. The latency problem for pitch detection on a bass is so much worse than for a guitar, that the effort wouldn't be worth it. Axon solved the issues mostly by cutting the latency to roughly a fourth of a cycle, whereas traditional pitch tracking would need at least two cycles, which is pretty huge for the low string of a bass... > they look awful, though. Like all of the Peavey gear, but its pretty solid, I also have a little mixer I don't want to miss... > but for a 15 year old instrument, & an esoteric one at that, it's > doing pretty well. I don't know how many have been built, including its predecessor from Wal. (Which certainly is a better bass, but the Midi electronic was more like the prototype for the Peavey...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:25:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0143BE8B; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 33871589 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8BB35.5AB359B8" Subject: RE: OT: peavey midibase (was Guitar Synth) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:25:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7208F6E8CC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: peavey midibase (was Guitar Synth) Thread-Index: Aci7NVqWaEYiI743S9+wzphxHAKS4A== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2008 11:25:21.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AFC8AE0:01C8BB35] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:25:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BB35.5AB359B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 >> Split frets impede bending.=20 Check out the Guitorgan for the earliest example of surprisingly workable split-fret sensor technology. The SynthAxe also used the split-fret approach. << =20 funnily enough, they don't impede bending on the peavey- the tiny little insulator between the "elements" of each fret are really smooth, like they were made from ptfe or something. & the ends of the metal parts are slanted.... I should probably put a picture somewhere..... in any case, the cyberbass software installed in an original midibase requires that one bends a string right across to an adjacent string's fret in order to write new patches into the beast. & the actual bend data is extracted from a strain gauge in the bridge.=20 =20 & somehow the thing's brain knows that the contact being made on the fret is from the "wrong" string & ignores it, unless it's in patch-editing mode. =20 I tend to use the pitch-bend data to operate various swell-type effects in my synth module, e.g. to bring in some vibrato or open up a filter. it's convenient to set this up with a lot of gain, so that a quite small pitch-bend on the actual bass note introduces a lot of variation in the triggered sounds. =20 I think the bigger problem with this kind of approach, even with today's superior materials & manufacturing techniques (& I mean peavey no slight, but the midibase was somewhat of a niche product shoe-horned into a fairly ordinary bass guitar, & could certainly have been developed further), is always going to be the reliability or otherwise of the string/fret conductivity, especially under stage conditions.=20 =20 I've used the peavey a lot in the last year or so, on stage & in the studio, & mis-triggers are invariably curable by "scratching" the string against the problem-fret to remove surface contaminants. I carry silver-dip & a special polishing cloth too, & have experimented with different strings.... even flatwounds, which didn't actually help all that much. even after all that, I often filter the midi data through a sequentix midi sequencer that applies "force-to-scale" rules to incoming midi, so as to reduce the incidence of bum notes. =20 at the end of the day, though, the novelty wears off quite quickly, & there are only so many things that are actually appropriate to play as simultaneous bass guitar & keyboard parts. big power chords with a mellotron-string swell underneath are my latest infatuation. I tried piano & flute & it just felt..... daft. YMMV. :-) =20 d. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the=20 intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and=20 any attached files immediately. 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     >> Split frets impede bendin= g.
    Check out the Guitorgan for the earliest example of surprisingly worka= ble=20 split-fret sensor technology.  The SynthAxe also used the split-fret=20 approach. <<
     
    funnily enough, they don't impede bending on the peavey- th= e tiny=20 little insulator between the "elements" of each fret are really smooth, lik= e=20 they were made from ptfe or something. & the ends of the metal par= ts=20 are slanted.... I should probably put a picture somewhere..... in any case,= the=20 cyberbass software installed in an original midibase requires that= one=20 bends a string right across to an adjacent string's fret in order to write = new=20 patches into the beast. & the actual bend data is extracted from a stra= in=20 gauge in the bridge. 
     
    & somehow the thing's brain knows that the contact bein= g made=20 on the fret is from the "wrong" string & ignores it, unless it's in=20 patch-editing mode.
     
    I tend to use the pitch-bend data to operate various swell-= type=20 effects in my synth module, e.g. to bring in some vibrato or open up a filt= er.=20 it's convenient to set this up with a lot of gain, so that a quite small=20 pitch-bend on the actual bass note introduces a lot of variation in the=20 triggered sounds.
     
    I think the bigger problem with this kind of approach, even= with=20 today's superior materials & manufacturing techniques (& I mean pea= vey=20 no slight, but the midibase was somewhat of a niche product shoe-horned int= o a=20 fairly ordinary bass guitar, & could certainly have been developed furt= her),=20 is always going to be the reliability or otherwise of the string/fret=20 conductivity, especially under stage conditions.
     
    I've used the peavey a lot in the last year or so, on stage= &=20 in the studio, & mis-triggers are invariably curable by "scratching" th= e=20 string against the problem-fret to remove surface contaminants. I carry=20 silver-dip & a special polishing cloth too, & have experimented wit= h=20 different strings.... even flatwounds, which didn't actually help all that = much.=20 even after all that, I often filter the midi data through a sequentix midi=20 sequencer that applies "force-to-scale" rules to incoming midi, so as to re= duce=20 the incidence of bum notes.
     
    at the end of the day, though, the novelty wears off quite=20 quickly, & there are only so many things that are actually appropriate = to=20 play as simultaneous bass guitar & keyboard parts. big power chords wit= h a=20 mellotron-string swell underneath are my latest infatuation. I tried piano = &=20 flute & it just felt..... daft. YMMV. :-)
     
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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BB35.5AB359B8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:27:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6F83BE93; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483406F7.9090705@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:26:47 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > I couldn't disagree more. Playing for musicians is about feeding ones > ego. Reaching the unreachable is far more gratifying. Musicians are far more unreachable than an average audience... That's why I claimed it s more rewarding... To play only to musicians is rarely a goal and might be feeding ones ego, not my issue, but in any audience I usually do have some musicians, their comments are important as well as those from the non-musicians to find out if I reached all of them... I can't see the "disagree more"... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD2703BE82; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483408D4.1010702@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:34:44 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Job of Artist References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> <001201c8b83c$03e7a380$0bb6ea80$@com> In-Reply-To: <001201c8b83c$03e7a380$0bb6ea80$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda schrieb: > then the purpose transcends the pleasing the audience. nailed... In some artistic scenes, some think you have to do the opposite of pleasing the audience to be a valid artist, they missed the point completely... Its about transcending "pleasing", "entertainment", "proffesionalism" and all these categories... I call it freedom - give the audience a notion of it. It will surprise them, and that has usually some pleasant side effects... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 11:37:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E24C3BE87; Wed, 21 May 2008 11:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4833FB6A.1070704@addcom.de> References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> <4833FB6A.1070704@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:37:01 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:37:10 +0000 (UTC) At 12:37 PM +0200 5/21/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >Having a Gk2 would be a plus, you could define triggers for >different strings independently... If I'm following your methodology correctly, Stefan, I think you'd need a couple more pieces of gear along with the GK in order to do that. First, you'd need a Fanout box to break out the audio signal of each string into it's own discrete path. Although the Roland boxes naturally do that process internally, they will only do it internally. :P Richard McLish (RMC) manufactures such a Fanout, but you'd need to budget a few hundred more dollars there. Then you'd need an audio interface with six inputs in order to digitize those separate audio signals from each string into the computer. Add another $200-300 there. I think you probably just skipped over these two hardware widgets as details, but they should at least be mentioned for consideration, IMNSHO. And, on a more self-serving note, if you're thinking of an entirely different method of doing this in Max/MSP, I'd love to learn it. ;) --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 12:29:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A5EC3BE91; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zLiqrRaxG0PfJJ3i1uLCHG/8hDEwzP4Eac80CTC970VDFwvIUDwQS+S1yWpatzDAnPL1RrtgJqnKJ14Kn+nClKNhK8nGoOnIjj1iemo4Xq82+uKgMWozkIQrN/pAP6WAnOvyHgc5wSipBQbsyrNsykMLvI+2MYgSxUiehQsZFXQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: MaVPV7IVM1noHMgJWJ6eCMZgkoFrpeNUtmJ.ZfcGeBKQYMsQod9g2Vqxlnwe.hWlb98uk8CeyJJuYhNVjTntONgZIMUtRaZASAhoT.n5xW3zKFTawTK7B4MTHayaUoasSv0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002401c8bb3e$4915c8b0$320210ac@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <006701c8bb0f$29c68a00$5901a8c0@bobdell> Subject: Re: Anybody seen Rick Walker? Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:29:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Heard from him a few times. He seems to be having a blast! Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: Anybody seen Rick Walker? > I'm hoping that Rick's trip is going so well that he hasn't had the desire > to blog. Anybody seen him on his world tour? Are things going well? > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1458 - > Release Date: 5/21/2008 7:21 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:35:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA61C3BE8A; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:01 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yjjwdzeWQBJaQz1vqSsQz7iYhi+OdqGWuIi7Pfg+jsWWVh+3SaP0acC6VrKR6uzghWLgXVAz4yST6kOpX8o8+s85a+J7LDo/zCL0FoeAQmmIS8nBr7DYwFWPly3gfmL6g9F6YNu6olnIH4deryZ8J2IbQVz1aCj49gII00T6T7I=; X-YMail-OSG: _Ss.N1IVM1nkltARn5a8WjqPWaqTSczWjyFxlpNtvTwfX37fAYDHCcDMPKLY48yvh4Zopd61WTvFssVck050MPIYVbM4tAchk5G7AbzYMmI_6AWs1Xhx0fNEjP0- Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: murkie Subject: Northern New Jersey gig spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <825835.22011.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6f10OB.A.k2G.FUCNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:35:01 +0000 (UTC) This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document will be doing an evening of improvised music at Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to midnight. Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of wines. What could be better? If you're nearby check us out (and definately say hi!). Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ 07442 (973)831-5704 (www.amazing-grapes.com) See ya! m.c. http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 13:51:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C5163BE8B; Wed, 21 May 2008 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1dUP4OE0a+oXyRu+6Lzae4BKPOLqHoulAQuE2D1TG/A=; b=BYzvtfyH1N2ANO5rZGzpT0srbzrM5oCW0hyjGOhp3bXLbqzR8JfT/6JJzpr1B1u4LxzXqBTFbzky1i7kOE7g1mLLgrDcyidLdUzEadr2SiJw/JDEdcBzQXE3c6o0hOpuUarVX9F7u8w98Ui9E5TpU3qOpvrkO5OGyPxjdLgOVy4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HFYgNKBT1O/zunbykewxEtWGXhEjGDiSoOU6p1qf67Pqnb94RhqJabI/zczcNGrgMsWG42V0psXG/LEkm3ZewIcC0HpP7CMsJKLvkVrtsm1oHlStvxe81510g+uk6yAi4IaEHnzMnrTT27ty4nPitc0WBtogOU0xxaRNsJrbxtU= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0805210651l57d8b27cl6456dd7c883c12df@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:51:32 +0200 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody seen Rick Walker? In-Reply-To: <006701c8bb0f$29c68a00$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1789_29139027.1211377892421" References: <006701c8bb0f$29c68a00$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 068074db606c0b1d Resent-Message-ID: <3uftD.A.FOH.mjCNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:51:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1789_29139027.1211377892421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I filmed him and Per in Goteborg and Oslo. Struggling with tech issues, but cool nevertheless. I met him and Chris in his hotel room before the gotebor= g show and he gave me a very convincing demo of your Looperlative Bob... Its always been a bit out of my range financially to be honest (never had a kid before) but i must admit im gonna have to get one somehow, (Crime pays quit= e well doesnt it??? or pornography?) maybe instead of the second EDP i WAS planning... I gave them a lift from Goteborg to Oslo and it was a fantastic experience, being able to chat face to face (well face to rear view mirror) with him after many many years of writing in LD. There is so much to Rick that doesn= t come across on the list, and ON the list he comes across as a visionary and creative magician!!! Its not often that you meet someone on off these pages that one can truly connect with in a few seconds, I just feel like we=B4re = old friends now... I will pop the footage up on a page soon... (well soonish) Mark On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > I'm hoping that Rick's trip is going so well that he hasn't had the desir= e > to blog. Anybody seen him on his world tour? Are things going well? > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no ------=_Part_1789_29139027.1211377892421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I filmed him and Per in Goteborg and Oslo. Struggling with tech issues, but= cool nevertheless. I met him and Chris in his hotel room before the gotebo= rg show and he gave me a very convincing demo of your Looperlative Bob... I= ts always been a bit out of my range financially to be honest (never had a = kid before) but i must admit im gonna have to get one somehow, (Crime pays = quite well doesnt it??? or pornography?) maybe instead of the second EDP i = WAS planning...

    I gave them a lift from Goteborg to Oslo and it was a fantastic experie= nce, being able to chat face to face (well face to rear view mirror) with h= im after many many years of writing in LD. There is so much to Rick that do= esnt come across on the list, and ON the list he comes across as a visionar= y and creative magician!!! Its not often that you meet someone on off these= pages that one can truly connect with in a few seconds, I just feel like w= e=B4re old friends now...

    I will pop the footage up on a page soon... (well soonish)

    Mark<= br>


    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:51 AM, = Bob Amstadt <bobl= d@amstadt.com> wrote:
    I'm hoping th= at Rick's trip is going so well that he hasn't had the desire to bl= og.  Anybody seen him on his world tour?  Are things going well? =



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    www.looop.no ------=_Part_1789_29139027.1211377892421-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 14:03:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD30B3BE91; Wed, 21 May 2008 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48342BAE.4090907@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:03:26 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Guitar Synth References: <37f071c00805191116q247f34dch35d6cd90b3d46f14@mail.gmail.com> <4833FB6A.1070704@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Mech schrieb: > I think you probably just skipped over these two hardware widgets as > details, but they should at least be mentioned for consideration, > IMNSHO. 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     From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:31:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1722E3BE92; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Yq9pPOx4RGuQ7hc0AfbM9Vo+snDauxMpR+RlRrpWNfc=; b=qDVTV3VCtiKzyX81HdRVEvVOOWGEVdK6MTzksEm9/CJpovx0/hhRSJ0qrxh3ZK6WIJABJBWb4LfxOgmwdEUZw4FJrfdSaLViTusgqqU4tXaMcJKlGqrZXB3jzgUytco+LbBQAhIHl3uQ8Ph/FwRoamo5HLG7ifBHKni/gebT/6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J0RdRHxSk5QxLFaJSUEi8uXMw83OhfLFC4ZUs7C042RRQNIx7PaSh8laRvfhPb4W1qju/3QNcVTkcV34UDiI31LLWBE31wGMwNt/Ab/ne2e37n5beozYA6a1tcIU2nornoHRjosbNon4zpx1byvP1pc3sOm+Qp29AX9f+gi8428= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:30:57 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam In-Reply-To: <825835.22011.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3398_32812412.1211387457195" References: <825835.22011.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:30:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3398_32812412.1211387457195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings. Going to send you a couple of friend requests. Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial booking for your. I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but have lost trails over there re gigs. Lastly while at it. Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a festival out here. I picked up the ball a bit and then had to let it ago. It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion on this time. Jim [Goodin] www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/eastofwhere On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, murkie wrote: > This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document > will be doing an evening of improvised music at > Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to > midnight. Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of > wines. What could be better? If you're nearby check > us out (and definately say hi!). > > Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ > 07442 > (973)831-5704 (www.amazing-grapes.com) > > See ya! > > m.c. > > http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com > http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com > http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple > http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_3398_32812412.1211387457195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings.  Going to send you a couple of friend requests.

    Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial booking for your.  I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but have lost trails over there re gigs.
     
    Lastly while at it.  Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a festival out here.  I picked up  the ball a bit and then had to let it ago.  It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion on this time.
     
    Jim [Goodin]


     
    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, murkie <sinister_footwear@yahoo.com> wrote:
    This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document
    will be doing an evening of improvised music at
    Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to
    midnight.  Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of
    wines.  What could be better?  If you're nearby check
    us out (and definately say hi!).

    Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ
    07442
    (973)831-5704  (www.amazing-grapes.com)

    See ya!

    m.c.

    http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com
     http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com
     http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple
     http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio





    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_3398_32812412.1211387457195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:40:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 236AE3BE94; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=1zIJCL5lFJcwONGYRY2+o4kS4MnS45QDedMQ1iID4sA=; b=YHQsumbX5b50J43IkEzH2Mx8A0qfBgugRxFOLvrjXCr6x3FhscMGlqO4DTOAeGxVZOtXyiBNUyIlxQeL5uPcDOgJMjHhYkE//0F4lrYbJXm2v30ujpZwVXxKnrt8OGYu0dL15gEqWYyIXGs6dbonEkw29QoBGEFFnEcHCYpxcas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qrTGx1hw/Qq0NqFBAZ3Vxf3PPj7LoiIvkvk/QDATn10jia+jDoi2nQ9tyMJ92NdGp/s3Nw54g8a9AeSAWTp05tLuufdYl67CN5QdgOaZp31f11kK87rp+2MaJ6TZvqLR/ausvB4e1kDCwaOMYElQL7B3QHjU8aJ7zUnQS3mgIYw= Message-ID: <4759e5740805210940n2ebdbd7ai6aef17ffa1d0839d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:40:17 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Tonight. Todd Reynolds Looping in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8448_18448881.1211388017551" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:40:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8448_18448881.1211388017551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To Our Dear List... I'll be personifying the thread... "is it cheating to use prerecorded loops" AND "coming from nothing and looping from the core". Twould be nice to see you... from my blog, http://blog.toddreynolds.com: Dear Readers, I want to invite you to a very special performance this week. Still Life with Microphone is my performance format for mixed up styles and genres. Version X, in process for the 3 years, has the live interactive video art of Luke DuBois at its foundation, and tomorrow night we welcome Bass Clarinetist and composer Michael Lowenstern, and one of my favorite musicians, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi. Presented by The Electronic Music Foundation's EMFLab, the show opens with a set by Jen Stock, which I'm looking forward to very much. Want to know more about Still Life with Microphone history and what you'll be seeing? Read the program note here. Wednesday, May 21st, 7pm The Flea Theater $15/$10 Students Electronic Music Foundation presents the first annual EMF Lab, a new concert series bringing together emerging and established composers and improvisers to explore the convergence of sound and technology. The Flea Theater inhabits the building at: 41 White St (between Broadway and Church St) Tribeca 212-352-3101 Subway: A, C, E, J, M, Z, N, Q, R, W, 6 to Canal St; 1 to Franklin St | Directions -- Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock. Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular. 7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_8448_18448881.1211388017551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    To Our Dear List... 

    I'll be personifying the thread... "is it cheating to use prerecorded loops"  AND "coming from nothing and looping from the core".  Twould be nice to see you... 

    from my blog, http://blog.toddreynolds.com:

    Dear Readers, I want to invite you to a very special performance this week.  Still Life with Microphone is my performance format for mixed up styles and genres.  Version X, in process for the 3 years, has the live interactive video art of Luke DuBois at its foundation, and tomorrow night we welcome Bass Clarinetist and composer Michael Lowenstern,  and one of my favorite musicians, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi.   Presented by The Electronic Music Foundation's EMFLab, the show opens with a set by Jen Stock, which I'm looking forward to very much.

    Want to know more about Still Life with Microphone history and what you'll be seeing?  Read the program note here.

    Wednesday, May 21st,  7pm
    The Flea Theater
    $15/$10 Students

    Electronic Music Foundation presents the first annual EMF Lab, a new concert series bringing together emerging and established composers and improvisers to explore the convergence of sound and technology.

    The Flea Theater inhabits the building at:
    41 White St (between Broadway and Church St)
    Tribeca
    212-352-3101
    Subway: A, C, E, J, M, Z, N, Q, R, W, 6 to Canal St; 1 to Franklin St  | Directions





    --
    Still Life with Microphone @ The Flea Theater as part of EMF Lab, with opener Jennifer Stock.

    Featuring music of Michael Lowenstern, the percussion of Satoshi Takeishi, and a surprise guest, a Still LIfe regular.

    7pm @ The Flea Theater, Walker Street, NY ------=_Part_8448_18448881.1211388017551-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 16:53:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6543BE8B; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=w82bc0IJcr6FAFCQqv1tzca4f67g3bfC02KsY7r0GiQ=; b=odno56PN0XB0ug7al+76vaKJXaiC076WjAFhLXgAv98dObL0+QSZLpXuAOEX5XhpPzZqz/sXwX2fTjSyYq/EQuGEah/56BPFAUrnOBICnLe7QHoMar4bXz+cfc+DkQ8dsjnpevoytuGhx1E9VzQz2lxRU2UyLT1dmVg/JxIOG+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EJ9+pthBwke/Z2bP/CjHU3Ny//lnD+QSWVFqLiOSKSoUoaOK0qbTkzxHEcCW32TBMYf07IFUCqjnaAWg9dFGsX3sdwYeNM5SQPGtedhtL3QnAV8DQICQPt0yn9PPK+w1Lsutz4TtKE2ygddFXnjYZNPRzpJDGrf1ISkG4jWLxt0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:53:32 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <825835.22011.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_dkQGB.A.ZND.POFNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:53:35 +0000 (UTC) East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... Dennis On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what > you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings. > Going to send you a couple of friend requests. > > Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial > booking for your. I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but > have lost trails over there re gigs. > > Lastly while at it. Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a > festival out here. I picked up the ball a bit and then had to let it ago. > It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd > like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion > on this time. > > Jim [Goodin] > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic > www.myspace.com/eastofwhere > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, murkie wrote: > > > This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document > > will be doing an evening of improvised music at > > Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to > > midnight. Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of > > wines. What could be better? If you're nearby check > > us out (and definately say hi!). > > > > Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ > > 07442 > > (973)831-5704 (www.amazing-grapes.com) > > > > See ya! > > > > m.c. > > > > http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com > > http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com > > http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple > > http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 17:12:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FA6F3BEA2; Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=c2UpuhTo+Qsh6I/VeCmJcdw7IdkwnrMxZ8a/2D+4EEM=; b=kKNyufFo6KXGFCWhwzrXwGL5DzuJoL9+hLbQkWi3suFrasG55eB3B+CA0mzY8qUvkR2NnVVaDuh5Pzrohc21y0nb9xOdTOEJGlwnODLoYWSPn1UqaX5imOJW9ta7JYPE4T+mY/j8aOteANkGNd7OLZUAgIc+1N5Wy4JChUm+8Ro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ll2ay6+bKD9pIJHSZeqomgccCDlIAA4AUCQJhC79XJDzwXVsIqKchuigap1zqnhwzNjzLHTh8AtSoEyZlBgPAWqXmwUp4sDV08JF5ir8kIFJ6cInDboaUsOr5e1tK9fHVLIObvjCwJ/DvTVt/Tvc1a3FRdJXOY7AxhsbnRUVJk4= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:12:43 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3670_7820802.1211389963569" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3670_7820802.1211389963569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by Krispen's energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the Kyber world and very jazzed about that. It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get to come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you do your mini one at Princeton? Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it might come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? > > A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess > you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... > > Dennis > > On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what > > you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural > paintings. > > Going to send you a couple of friend requests. > > > > Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial > > booking for your. I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but > > have lost trails over there re gigs. > > > > Lastly while at it. Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a > > festival out here. I picked up the ball a bit and then had to let it > ago. > > It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd > > like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward > motion > > on this time. > > > > Jim [Goodin] > > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro > > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic > > www.myspace.com/eastofwhere > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, murkie > wrote: > > > > > This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document > > > will be doing an evening of improvised music at > > > Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to > > > midnight. Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of > > > wines. What could be better? If you're nearby check > > > us out (and definately say hi!). > > > > > > Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ > > > 07442 > > > (973)831-5704 (www.amazing-grapes.com) > > > > > > See ya! > > > > > > m.c. > > > > > > http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com > > > http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com > > > http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple > > > http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > > Chinapainting - > > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Chinapainting on My Space - > > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars > > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_3670_7820802.1211389963569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by Krispen's energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the Kyber world and very jazzed about that.
     
    It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the northeast neck of the woods.  This is easy to talk about but hard to get to come to be.  I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime.  The most clear obstacle is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking.  Did you do your mini one at Princeton?
     
    Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it might come to be.  Ideas? Thoughts?
     
    Jim

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
    East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When?

    A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess
    you could call it a "mini-Festival" ...

    Dennis

    On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what
    > you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings.
    > Going to send you a couple of friend requests.
    >
    > Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial
    > booking for your.  I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but
    > have lost trails over there re gigs.
    >
    > Lastly while at it.  Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a
    > festival out here.  I picked up  the ball a bit and then had to let it ago.
    > It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd
    > like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion
    > on this time.
    >
    > Jim [Goodin]
    > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
    > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic
    > www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, murkie <sinister_footwear@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > > This Friday, May 23rd my post-prog trio Stone Document
    > > will be doing an evening of improvised music at
    > > Amazing Grapes in Pompton Lakes, NJ from 9 pm to
    > > midnight.  Lotsa looping and a fantastic selection of
    > > wines.  What could be better?  If you're nearby check
    > > us out (and definately say hi!).
    > >
    > > Amazing Grapes is at 23 Wanaque Ave, Pompton Lakes, NJ
    > > 07442
    > > (973)831-5704  (www.amazing-grapes.com)
    > >
    > > See ya!
    > >
    > > m.c.
    > >
    > > http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com
    > >  http://www.StoneDocumentMusic.com
    > >  http://www.myspace.com/twistedapple
    > >  http://www.myspace.com/stonedocumenttrio
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    >  Chinapainting -
    > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    > Chinapainting on My Space -
    > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    >  The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
    > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars
    > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay
    > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com




    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_3670_7820802.1211389963569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 18:15:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9CB3BE93; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1919 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 21 May 2008 18:15:02 UTC Message-ID: <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42:49 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in > the northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard > to get to come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival > together out here but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. > The most clear obstacle is finding a host venue which I'm game to > start exploring seeking. Did you do your mini one at Princeton? > > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it > might come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? Strangely enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who was interested last year flaked out and lost interest. -- * David Beardsley * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:11:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC533BE92; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UXv1XwDudx6XsIrECYJaCtk67vDKtpMqHGi3jVwTIhw=; b=FDheHFA5NaS/PjtOJRWI6sDzL3VWny6X30X46z9V7xn+V+FC0ufGr0BkCvy3iCKkKpEKNGHbfCNp4JOFOH/hPhwRt3J9E8Vbrb6IEgua/dA76/DSLgrXwGOXYVb0bpcjKa0Slh/JIk7PbdoohfLphsBMW9ZuBP9NOO/gfkzStcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qXDe6dC5KvXv9iKZh4uV1qJIcO/z3n7Guo/4XThxwe0bV4CTYg3bpl+qGAkwhhAHr1wQ0C0iqGwG4geEcLqnN2XmrxdGMCIz1CD7pWbXmcVrPX4/KmqJHbkCbFXx1IH+3iF/VgmzTtcJv0evBoYzxM2pSnfRqqeH1tIggBXSU+A= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:01:42 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) Funny you should mention Princeton ...no, we didn't do it there. We did it in Buffalo, NY. However... My friend at Princeton is interested in putting together some unique opportunities that would utilize the work we have done in Second Life ... which would include live audio/video streaming and Real Life performances. Let's keep the conversation flowing ... it definitely has some great possibilities. Dennis On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this > partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by Krispen's > energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the > Kyber world and very jazzed about that. > > It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the > northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get to > come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but > can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is > finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you do > your mini one at Princeton? > > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it might > come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? > > Jim > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? > > > > A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess > > you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... > > > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:14:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2343BE95; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LjZ80IfY56vZaHjPNOCEf+Jx1+VBfwWib6EDg+JDzd4=; b=n55qfzKshp3n0OMGoiSUlX+z6dKh8hTHBxG84LDE0+LDlL27Xa2nWljYNuLxxynubaoB+rt4YIR+L+vC6C27ROyCBhN5YyswNftSPg/FeQ62GiKujsuQ6zoyWIxYgVbfzbBcS/X6LlKtKOBRX4Hb796IwFyxrjsQLX1Q+CEAryA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sRdLL0cQgJ2E1FuCd4vsEB19y7ZJVtl1vdCKWyi4wc5HNEfJb+pY1Eh+aif0QTxtnW/2jeXa4WDLo9UrZ42kb3xriLUBAKCNHwyF+OQpv/244tHRD3ETRazZxZAxVpkmzDq6wJ1/V9+xjsPv+7JurqKIMWdYw95LJ8yC1OVLbd0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:14:03 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4326_31353667.1211397243641" References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:14:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4326_31353667.1211397243641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So maybe it's timely. When I left Y2K last October Rick sort of "passed the torch" in a sense to me and Michael K (Philly) with the edict of why don't you guys get a eastcoaster going. I'd really like to get after this this time and will do my best not to "flake out" as I did last time partly due to feeling overextended at the time and just partly feeling like it was kind of just sitting on the fence as the Jungle Book vultures. I know it's not that hard has a former project of mine called the Language of 3 which was like a mini-mini-festival in a sense, a performance concept similar in scope to the Int'l Guitar Night, I put together half dozen shows managing the additional artists involved. It is sort of a 'lonely at the top' kind of gig and I'd like to see a northeast loop/experimental fest take place with several of us driving the boat. The chief obstacle seems to be a venue or host. Two years ago I went to the NY Fretless Guitar festival which was held in the Tap Bar of the KFactory over a Friday and Saturday which kind of amazed me that the KF would give that much time to it. The Friday PM draw was modest for KF @30. This fest had some sponsorship from Godin and a couple of other places and musicians attending globally. My point is I guess a host could easily be a bar place like that but in Manhattan it seems a tougher sell albeit Michael Vick organizer of the above mentioned fest got in there. I would prefer something more of a performance space than a liquor wagon but that's me. I've even had the thought of something like this festival could exist running almost in a house concert atmosphere in a large enough home and a generous enough host. Y2K's fest was in a modern office park kind of room almost akin to a corporate theatre. So a place, then a date. We're here in spring and something like this is too late in the fall hits around Y2K time so maybe I'd say either something like a mini fest scheduled for August though that atleast in the City is often dead time but possibly in NJ or PA or upstate NY probably not so dead. I would do a website for the event. Another thought is what I'm sure Kris and Rick have dealt with is for msuicians traveling long distances if we had such, getting financial assist for them. I've got contacts with two company's that I have prod endorsement through though neither has ever given me any sense of financial committment, those being GHS and Godin so doubtful they would kick in money though GHS has certainly support Muriel Anderson who has an annual series at NAMM called Muriel's All Star Guitars. The next possibility is grant money which I understand is a long trail to success. These are all just idle thoughts but I'm pretty interested in getting behind getting an event going this time but I don't want to be alone in it. I do have a few shows this summer wtih Chinapainting and my other duo East of WHere but have more time to give to this idea. As I think about it August might not be be as my family and I will be away a week, maybe early July to have a mini. Anyhow your thoughts? Best Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Jim Goodin wrote: > >> It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the >> northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get to >> come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but >> can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is >> finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you do >> your mini one at Princeton? >> Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it >> might come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? >> > > Strangely enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who > was interested > last year flaked out and lost interest. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_4326_31353667.1211397243641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    So maybe it's timely.  When I left Y2K last October Rick sort of "passed the torch" in a sense to me and Michael K (Philly) with the edict of why don't you guys get a eastcoaster going.  I'd really like to get after this this time and will do my best not to "flake out" as I did last time partly due to feeling overextended at the time and just partly feeling like it was kind of just sitting on the fence as the Jungle Book vultures.
     
    I know it's not that hard has a former project of mine called the Language of 3 which was like a mini-mini-festival in a sense, a performance concept similar in scope to the Int'l Guitar Night, I put together half dozen shows managing the additional artists involved.  It is sort of a 'lonely at the top' kind of gig and I'd like to see a northeast loop/experimental fest take place with several of us driving the boat.
     
    The chief obstacle seems to be a venue or host.  Two years ago I went to the NY Fretless Guitar festival which was held in the Tap Bar of the KFactory over a Friday and Saturday which kind of amazed me that the KF would give that much time to it.  The Friday PM draw was modest for KF @30.  This fest had some sponsorship from Godin and a couple of other places and musicians attending globally.  My point is I guess a host could easily be a bar place like that but in Manhattan it seems a tougher sell albeit Michael Vick organizer of the above mentioned fest got in there.
     
    I would prefer something more of a performance space than a liquor wagon but that's me.  I've even had the thought of something like this festival could exist running almost in a house concert atmosphere in a large enough home and a generous enough host.  Y2K's fest was in a modern office park kind of room almost akin to a corporate theatre.
     
    So a place, then a date.  We're here in spring and something like this is too late in the fall hits around Y2K time so maybe I'd say either something like a mini fest scheduled for August though that atleast in the City is often dead time but possibly in NJ or PA or upstate NY probably not so dead.
     
    I would do a website for the event.  Another thought is what I'm sure Kris and Rick have dealt with is for msuicians traveling long distances if we had such, getting financial assist for them.  I've got contacts with two company's that I have prod endorsement through though neither has ever given me any sense of financial committment, those being GHS and Godin so doubtful they would kick in money though GHS has certainly support Muriel Anderson who has an annual series at NAMM called Muriel's All Star Guitars.  The next possibility is grant money which I understand is a long trail to success.
     
    These are all just idle thoughts but I'm pretty interested in getting behind getting an event going this time but I don't want to be alone in it.  I do have a few shows this summer wtih Chinapainting and my other duo East of WHere but have more time to give to this idea.  As I think about it August might not be be as my family and I will be away a week, maybe early July to have a mini.
     
    Anyhow your thoughts?
     
    Best
     
    Jim

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
    Jim Goodin wrote:
    It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the northeast neck of the woods.  This is easy to talk about but hard to get to come to be.  I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime.  The most clear obstacle is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking.  Did you do your mini one at Princeton?
     Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it might come to be.  Ideas? Thoughts?

    Strangely enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who was interested
    last year flaked out and lost interest.

    --
    * David Beardsley
    * http://biink.com





    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_4326_31353667.1211397243641-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:17:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04143BEB2; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:17:41 EDT Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1211397461" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:17:48 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1211397461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis & Co.: Being a veteran of the mini-Buffalo Loopalooza I would love to get involved in this if it picks up any steam. Please be in touch as things develop. I would be glad to pitch in whatever effort I can. BTW, Dennis, still listening to the CD's I picked up from you in Buffalo. Nice stuff indeed. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sinsofmachaut@gmail.com writes: Funny you should mention Princeton ...no, we didn't do it there. We did it in Buffalo, NY. However... My friend at Princeton is interested in putting together some unique opportunities that would utilize the work we have done in Second Life ... which would include live audio/video streaming and Real Life performances. Let's keep the conversation flowing ... it definitely has some great possibilities. Dennis On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this > partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by Krispen's > energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the > Kyber world and very jazzed about that. > > It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the > northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get to > come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here but > can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is > finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you do > your mini one at Princeton? > > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it might > come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? > > Jim > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? > > > > A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess > > you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... > > > > Dennis **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------------------------1211397461 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Dennis & Co.:
     
    Being a veteran of the mini-Buffalo Loopalooza I would love to get invo= lved=20 in this if it picks up any steam.  Please be in touch as things=20 develop.  I would be glad to pitch in whatever effort I can.  BTW,= =20 Dennis, still listening to the CD's I picked up from you in Buffalo.  N= ice=20 stuff indeed.
     
    Harry
     
    Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
    Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
    11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
    New York, N.Y. 10013
    (212) 989-2908=20
     
    In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 sinsofmachaut@gmail.com writes:
    <= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Funny=20 you should mention Princeton ...no, we didn't do it there. We
    did it in= =20 Buffalo, NY.  However...

    My friend at Princeton is interested=20= in=20 putting together some unique
    opportunities that would utilize the work=20= we=20 have done in Second Life
    ... which would include live audio/video strea= ming=20 and Real Life
    performances.

    Let's keep the conversation flowing=20= ...=20 it definitely has some great
    possibilities.

    Dennis


    On=20 5/21/08, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Dennis= I=20 feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this
    > part= ly=20 inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by Krispen's
    &= gt;=20 energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via=20 the
    > Kyber world and very jazzed about that.
    >
    > It has= led=20 me to think though about helping getting something going in the
    >=20 northeast neck of the woods.  This is easy to talk about but hard to=20= get=20 to
    > come to be.  I'd like to get behind getting a festival=20 together out here but
    > can't do it totally on my own energy/or=20 dime.  The most clear obstacle is
    > finding a host venue which=20= I'm=20 game to start exploring seeking.  Did you do
    > your mini one at= =20 Princeton?
    >
    > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish=20 again and hope that it might
    > come to be.  Ideas?=20 Thoughts?
    >
    > Jim
    >
    >
    > On Wed, May 21, 2008= at=20 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>
    >=20 wrote:
    >
    > > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival= "?=20 Where? When?
    > >
    > > A couple of us did manage to get=20 together last November ... i guess
    > > you could call it a=20 "mini-Festival" ...
    > >
    > >=20 Dennis




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Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. -------------------------------1211397461-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:19:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9303BEA6; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KoE6IDjkTE/9FXxwuCVY8YDba0Vtx0RkNG/IiUXhmeM=; b=rbAp6hw2xUOhlLn2dpBl4sSjbV5ghJjM0V3xk7cW4Z2N9WTEA0kAOkuR23lkHjU/zwKuCjESCt+ay9YwVHNjL9W3Z9jK2P+MEjpRm0R7rjQi0mfQxczzKsQvFWgaaAmCWaUeFMbn9/zOR/5v+MCzwEwM64Vc/271qFDHiHjvwV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JUhR72kucDgy/ESZnG88NqZIRK1RUSXEt0woUYdMJyAhMvq9vI6qBH4ItkZqjoTZvZ2Htp+Wvk9vULOnGeiJnbFI9wj3puDA1KBeENB78tlriqZ1zYmm87ZeEOEVoPhmwKQOqpkIq1hQln9dFltHiThgPna37mNDYACwdPtgsoE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:19:23 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Cc: db@biink.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:19:25 +0000 (UTC) I am, at this very moment, writing an email to my friend at Princeton about this idea. The venue I played there last November, the Frist Auditorium, is an acoustically wonderful venue and will hold upwards of 250 people. (I also just saw that one of my cohorts from Buffalo just posted to this thread, too!) It might be a happy convergence happening ... more as it develops! Dennis On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > So maybe it's timely. When I left Y2K last October Rick sort of "passed the > torch" in a sense to me and Michael K (Philly) with the edict of why don't > you guys get a eastcoaster going. I'd really like to get after this this > time and will do my best not to "flake out" as I did last time partly due to > feeling overextended at the time and just partly feeling like it was kind of > just sitting on the fence as the Jungle Book vultures. > > I know it's not that hard has a former project of mine called the Language > of 3 which was like a mini-mini-festival in a sense, a performance concept > similar in scope to the Int'l Guitar Night, I put together half dozen shows > managing the additional artists involved. It is sort of a 'lonely at the > top' kind of gig and I'd like to see a northeast loop/experimental fest take > place with several of us driving the boat. > > The chief obstacle seems to be a venue or host. Two years ago I went to the > NY Fretless Guitar festival which was held in the Tap Bar of the KFactory > over a Friday and Saturday which kind of amazed me that the KF would give > that much time to it. The Friday PM draw was modest for KF @30. This fest > had some sponsorship from Godin and a couple of other places and musicians > attending globally. My point is I guess a host could easily be a bar place > like that but in Manhattan it seems a tougher sell albeit Michael Vick > organizer of the above mentioned fest got in there. > > I would prefer something more of a performance space than a liquor wagon but > that's me. I've even had the thought of something like this festival could > exist running almost in a house concert atmosphere in a large enough home > and a generous enough host. Y2K's fest was in a modern office park kind of > room almost akin to a corporate theatre. > > So a place, then a date. We're here in spring and something like this is > too late in the fall hits around Y2K time so maybe I'd say either something > like a mini fest scheduled for August though that atleast in the City is > often dead time but possibly in NJ or PA or upstate NY probably not so dead. > > I would do a website for the event. Another thought is what I'm sure Kris > and Rick have dealt with is for msuicians traveling long distances if we had > such, getting financial assist for them. I've got contacts with two > company's that I have prod endorsement through though neither has ever given > me any sense of financial committment, those being GHS and Godin so doubtful > they would kick in money though GHS has certainly support Muriel Anderson > who has an annual series at NAMM called Muriel's All Star Guitars. The next > possibility is grant money which I understand is a long trail to success. > > These are all just idle thoughts but I'm pretty interested in getting behind > getting an event going this time but I don't want to be alone in it. I do > have a few shows this summer wtih Chinapainting and my other duo East of > WHere but have more time to give to this idea. As I think about it August > might not be be as my family and I will be away a week, maybe early July to > have a mini. > > Anyhow your thoughts? > > Best > > Jim > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > > Jim Goodin wrote: > > > > > It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in > the northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get > to come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here > but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle > is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you > do your mini one at Princeton? > > > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it > might come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? > > > > > > > Strangely enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who > was interested > > last year flaked out and lost interest. > > > > -- > > * David Beardsley > > * http://biink.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:21:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7753BEC1; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mno+gJAGUqn+w1QH/umvXVZBfWC/0zXNm3kt9jC3oV0=; b=P/GM+5/fYcHE4haY/mjrT23hdMmQhsujyPA4Prd81R1Z/+Fd5Q3IeEz7okD4+N2B+s6PU7V/6xi0C/ATxKziW1MDoNV7pXH3u0/hmNbC1UITG5wz2OKRjx4tE+iEwvk1xeIr/wS8dwMJJe/RpXH4AHzaf99wtxYt1KZYnCTg/2Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l9UISxu4nlY5S9lggi3huYSjEDu8f4kXVYUBehRgMnQINUoWlIBqCtFPj+0vrgroGKrO/vW7zX+4b3YvZIXJy31D2UOQkrsgHW6KieN7V6ieQFuOpZuPeKZ5G4VBB47c9KRVVOw8yVTrKe8aEfSwpk2QvOmuXu5FCVFI62InZXs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:21:12 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Wow! Thanks, Harry! High praise, considering what you two guys did! Thank you... And you are absolutley among the ones I have been thinking of as this is coming together. Dennis On 5/21/08, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > > > Dennis & Co.: > > Being a veteran of the mini-Buffalo Loopalooza I would love to get involved > in this if it picks up any steam. Please be in touch as things develop. I > would be glad to pitch in whatever effort I can. BTW, Dennis, still > listening to the CD's I picked up from you in Buffalo. Nice stuff indeed. > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > In a message dated 5/21/2008 3:12:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sinsofmachaut@gmail.com writes: > Funny you should mention Princeton ...no, we didn't do it there. We > did it in Buffalo, NY. However... > > My friend at Princeton is interested in putting together some unique > opportunities that would utilize the work we have done in Second Life > ... which would include live audio/video streaming and Real Life > performances. > > Let's keep the conversation flowing ... it definitely has some great > possibilities. > > Dennis > > > > On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this > > partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by > Krispen's > > energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the > > Kyber world and very jazzed about that. > > > > It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in the > > northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get > to > > come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here > but > > can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is > > finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you > do > > your mini one at Princeton? > > > > Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it > might > > come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? > > > > Jim > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser > > wrote: > > > > > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? > > > > > > A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess > > > you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > ________________________________ > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" > on AOL Food. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:52:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD7E23BE99; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=/isQZq5NoGxYDmI7J1NVrLqUTee7DNaPCANwCmRUl/E=; b=R8TCndcWlmvCqSrd27ePXPHiVA3UssPpwMoV0DBSnXZ3n/V8izerhYIo1ONXeEO8W8gPyL0nmkgDm/fDEaqYYoWZL9w73iuKtfh6NikZ1zLij9B/XA8LXpYYhIUDOyRN5gtx8nW1wGdhSE70LduuUO0A/wHLiC5tK3N0LJf5YdI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CvAQ9pL4axHn+t3puLiYYhhph2xeC9o20uaoQLNthexH55OdQ6BENPu1Rz5hHHTME5x+7BhLmAeLIT8JhkXPOiOKUOdQtTZmWRWje+4JTjnZNSHAZwtS4GYCQHXvC7wSwPl03asvQopDGaNC6fgQLizM6VwOA8Qo3XmruArmabA= Message-ID: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:52:30 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7384_13884602.1211399550207" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: e94556c5c6cbb59a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:52:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7384_13884602.1211399550207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz). Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it. Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest. ------=_Part_7384_13884602.1211399550207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)

    There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it.

    Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest.
    ------=_Part_7384_13884602.1211399550207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 19:55:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5583BE94; Wed, 21 May 2008 19:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=irYQuTiLgZ0TPaLuulyOfKFQLgpPZWTmgDQFy55jWGk6cQwEYQjtiY3hz3qzU6kJ0xIzxFg/9hk7eNqqh5DqX5/8dBg56UDtgxnN8SSHN4p29PmeDWFsC+e8F//YK5f1AEnN39tLOuV7IVV83xt9g0zPV3CHSWhGohK5LUjMpuQ=; X-YMail-OSG: wAuTk6MVM1mnDQ3uSuGto96Z2vk87Z4TkxI_MKH7C_VUQM5ODKdTfOQhdFGmC_zicJGLIKmKd277mWjYU04g0yVd7K1CXB1DB9SkaQ-- Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT: (job) role of the artist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080521192114.B28553BEC2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-257796887-1211399705=:25252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <85759.25252.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:55:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-257796887-1211399705=:25252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the artist Philip Guston had some quote that I will paraphrase: "the only thing the artist has is freedom" for him he was speaking about breaking out of the stylistic trappings of the visual language of abstract expressionism (he was part of that group, had been childhood friends w/ jackson pollock)...in the late 60's he moved away from the non-objective work he was doing and began painting crude-style cartoons, lumpy feet and hands and later big bulbous eyeballs. he did this work the last 12 yrs of his life from 1968-80. the work was mostly overlooked when he was alive, but is supposed to be one of the early precursors to the movement of "neo-expressionism" that was all the rage in the 1980s & beyond...he also wanted to deal w/ the political and cultural upheaval of the time: the vietnam war and the race riots, his main theme was dealing w/ the idea of evil. i think about that idea a lot, and the question was always posed to us in grad school as artists: are you really free? the barriers around you and that guide your life... s--- --0-257796887-1211399705=:25252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the artist Philip Guston had some quote that I will paraphrase:
    "the only thing the artist has is freedom"

    for him he was speaking about breaking out of the stylistic trappings of the visual language of abstract expressionism (he was part of that group, had been childhood friends w/ jackson pollock)...in the late 60's he moved away from the non-objective work he was doing and began painting crude-style cartoons, lumpy feet and hands and later big bulbous eyeballs. he did this work the last 12 yrs of his life from 1968-80. the work was mostly overlooked when he was alive, but is supposed to be one of the early precursors to the movement of "neo-expressionism" that was all the rage in the 1980s & beyond...he also wanted to deal w/ the political and cultural upheaval of the time: the vietnam war and the race riots, his main theme was dealing w/ the idea of evil.

    i think about that idea a lot, and the question was always posed to us in grad school as artists: are you really free? the barriers around you and that guide your life...

    s---

    --0-257796887-1211399705=:25252-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:04:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8533BEA0; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4834805E.8060907@biink.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:04:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level References: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing > is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would > people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 > mile (as in Santa Cruz). > > Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for > free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college > audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some > other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could > stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is > about 2 hours away) Keep in mind how densely populated the area is. I have no idea what this small community is that you're referring to. New Brunswick & Rutgers is only a 1/2 hour away to the North. Trenton is close by. -- * David Beardsley * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:07:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A403BE97; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rdaP8hsvvPXJm2DxwRy/RHw05F95cQPyOMouhaYlXH4=; b=NJBWD5rIUdVC/ghJ+AydNiSEMgj3as6w/CgV7nxSeqIE+9TN+WBI1r9c6zMbojHaT/DjUvTEQPa76+9s1hoyW31kV5zKtupBWAzByAH4WrHj1K/VN9wFHMJSoBeWgc7qgb4MYGY3yDSELSXduLEktV4EJq7O6o5kcQeuN1xc+E4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=s+SmZxYAoJTiztoy4sIGG1LvoBpZATCvNvV0EjseBm+YPQFDat/XOPtqn5q4mewK7/WtAXxGbrlrlk60ojOCVao/v5pm4lVWWAQwkQDasaI+rhoQxSUZAraJU5Gow9xCQfJoZ6LcgwWlvFC9w9ZvTWgRQO19askRYCspiFLvqwY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:07:12 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8622_8680569.1211400432320" References: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:07:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8622_8680569.1211400432320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure. http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html those guys host all kinds of art/music shows. Might be worth checking into. Tony On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a > big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? > it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa > Cruz). > > Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free > or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might > provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) > It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in > Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) > > There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a > discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic > little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a > couple of people, but that's about it. > > Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, > which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots > of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to > my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more > interest. > ------=_Part_8622_8680569.1211400432320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure.

    http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html

    those guys host all kinds of art/music shows.  Might be worth checking into.

    Tony

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
    I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)

    There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it.

    Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest.


    ------=_Part_8622_8680569.1211400432320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:08:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2642E3BEB6; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=H01jdsywezTIToUsob3tJ1rQDmX/KCFV5HSBQuBYLcIZRf8RF+r7MxUDio+BzKmrFuLBgTRnXWPOaK/EyeesG7uv1yRwhPZpQ6HvFpXd9BNOgNKiGbP5cokwvUtFbRkBcGPoR3Lr0pOAcjMvJJrbySbDMdHQ7MZo2Py+Og7Qzkc=; X-YMail-OSG: g.bsg.UVM1kZQcH.9ijqtfHPqEiFKj0Npm3yO8rD Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: behringer tweakalizer first thoughts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-988110223-1211400525=:66350" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <886021.66350.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6Db4MB.A.TR.OFINIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:08:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-988110223-1211400525=:66350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, thanks to Eben from out in NJ on our list, i am now the proud owner of a behringer tweakalizer. got it out yesterday and last night and played around w/ it. one thing-it is bigger than i thought it would be, it's about the size of my digitech rp150 and zoom g2 put together, when i had it hooked up, my wife came in my studio and said it looked like a spaceship had landed (the lights are cool). i did have to break out the manual, it's not super intuitive when 1st hooked up. on first play w/ my guitar setup, i got some nice filter sounds, boy it can make the guitar not sound like a guitar (for those who are into the Vintage thing-my 50's guitar w/ my vintage WARM sounding tube amp-it AIN'T FOR YOU). if you like to make freaky sounds and experiment-then it is for you. there are a lot of parameters w/ the filters and a couple of options, it really puts a sine-wave sound in there-that's for sure, so more exploring. and last nite i played around w/ the sampler-it just records blocks of material-no overdubs, and it records by measures (2 to 16 measures-and when you hit record it counts down backwards, it looks like the 16 measures was about 10 sec or so. i just hit record and did a couple of slow low twangy rhythm things (i was using my clean setup), and it worked nice for setting that up, and then you could play over it (w/ mix on 50%). has the ability to change the pitch up/down one octave, and that was fun sounding and it goes in reverse, i would use the reverse one octave down a lot. so that's all i've messed w/ on it, still more exploring. is it the end all/be all-no, probably not. but so far it has been a fun sound mangler. w/ the RCA ins outs, i've had ok results w/ my 1/4" phono plugs for guitar based effects. i know that when i had my original korg kaoss pad a few yrs ago, it seemed like there was a lot of high end gain thrown in, there's a bit of that w/ the tweakalizer, but not as bad as the kaoss pad w/ my setup....so so far i'm happy and look fwd to more exploring.... happy looping... s--- --0-988110223-1211400525=:66350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, thanks to Eben from out in NJ on our list, i am now the proud owner of
    a behringer tweakalizer. got it out yesterday and last night and played around w/ it.
    one thing-it is bigger than i thought it would be, it's about the size of my digitech rp150 and zoom g2 put together, when i had it hooked up, my wife came in my studio and said it looked like a spaceship had landed (the lights are cool).

    i did have to break out the manual, it's not super intuitive when 1st hooked up.
    on first play w/ my guitar setup, i got some nice filter sounds, boy it can make the guitar not sound like a guitar (for those who are into the Vintage thing-my 50's guitar w/ my vintage WARM sounding tube amp-it AIN'T FOR YOU). if you like to make freaky sounds and experiment-then it is for you.
    there are a lot of parameters w/ the filters and a couple of options, it really puts a sine-wave sound in there-that's for sure, so more exploring.
    and last nite i played around w/ the sampler-it just records blocks of material-no overdubs, and it records by measures (2 to 16 measures-and when you hit record it counts down backwards, it looks like the 16 measures was about 10 sec or so.
    i just hit record and did a couple of slow low twangy rhythm things (i was using my clean setup), and it worked nice for setting that up, and then you could play over it (w/ mix on 50%). has the ability to change the pitch up/down one octave, and that was fun sounding and it goes in reverse, i would use the reverse one octave down a lot.
    so that's all i've messed w/ on it, still more exploring. is it the end all/be all-no, probably not. but so far it has been a fun sound mangler. w/ the RCA ins outs, i've had ok results w/ my 1/4" phono plugs for guitar based effects. i know that when i had my original korg kaoss pad a few yrs ago, it seemed like there was a lot of high end gain thrown in, there's a bit of that w/ the tweakalizer, but not as bad as the kaoss pad w/ my setup....so so far i'm happy and look fwd to more exploring....
    happy looping...
    s---

    --0-988110223-1211400525=:66350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:21:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A34E3BE93; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018601c8bb80$3248d0e0$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <006701c8bb0f$29c68a00$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9ab0c76f0805210651l57d8b27cl6456dd7c883c12df@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Anybody seen Rick Walker? Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:21:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:21:16 +0000 (UTC) > I filmed him and Per in Goteborg and Oslo. Struggling with tech issues, > but > cool nevertheless. That's my Rick. ;-) Seriously though, he does an amazing job of performing any time that I have seen him. Technical issues follow him because he is always evolving and as a result he is always trying new things. This is one of the reasons that you can watch him over and over again because each performance is different and always entertaining. > There is so much to Rick that doesnt > come across on the list, and ON the list he comes across as a visionary > and > creative magician!!! I'll also have to agree with that. If anybody sees him on his travels, just let him know that he's in our thoughts and we wish him well on the rest of his trip. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:32:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1113BEA2; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CX+j4g3h+WQKi25NGIsOovkZ1BnUHxDwmYckhKruU+I=; b=tbhchUzfQqOicqs52pOhkpfLT0xpNnFPK3/Dwd8pOSsu+oS3tihXTQo89W8od2C1FfUm6DdwWSrxyUKhVY9y/7F1+Wedq7dTs/zVHrPD8GCyVLEsAcSZvhqUtNQ/q42uP8VrOmaWRA+f+xgPIX9wJ3sWMVpo0yc4kba51H45P/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=H3B+8MVRdaUlrb+yxMj+W7/ZRM50k0LVdNw1kfiCiBqoobI/lPiffIQ1whFitDbq2avHimIxn/43pXhvzLWrGuxEuIbqPgZa2gfD//+onQz9wL3XRKYz9rYheWoXcApTwS2fgDdHbW+v+SzaDMnFSeLeYwS1e67HrHY6zIvfq+Y= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805211332t748097bhd2f5c9c63bff5b02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:32:28 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4834805E.8060907@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4655_21282490.1211401948642" References: <101191640805211252n399b5ee8u53a069cb279d114f@mail.gmail.com> <4834805E.8060907@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5aKzMC.A.T5.ebINIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4655_21282490.1211401948642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Agreed re the brainstorming, the hard part as before is keeping going when the walls come up but seriously I"m game here if we can find a home. Though I have a couple of venue ideas in my own neck of the woods here Brooklyn area I tend to favor the idea of NJ for some reason. One being the academic circle as to a degree though Dennis and Todd will have more expertise here but my hunch is academia will have greater tolerance/support/interest in things experimental. At one of my Language of 3 shows in Philadelphia ironically though the venue is defunct now but a source there suggested that a college in Queens was really into experimental music. I explored it but never got in dialog with the figure head but maybe need to revisit that. Re the people staying in the beginning I think this would have to be volunteer people's counches and floor space of which I've' given as well as received as I've always been on a shoestring with the music. Another thought being here in NY is to try to get some interest from the annual NY Guitar Festival series which has been organized by a guy named David Spellman that in years past I had some dialog but have since lost that trail as I never cracked it. I am friendly with a couple of folks who have played in it but they do have their own agenda so my hunch is we're on our own initially. I had mentioed another contact that I will reloop in this a gentleman some of us know named Don Slepian. Don had hosted a home based house concert/webcast for years out of Lebanon NJ and has since moved to rural PA. I know he is beginning to focus on music again and may have some ideas re venue possibilities albeit though bet Michael has the best handle on Philly if that were the place. I hear a range of thoughts from Philly is dried up to other ops that there are gigs for experimental stuff. Daryl and I have some shows lined up this summer for Chinapainting again and have been trying to find a door there, we've had some bites but no lunch yet. Keep getting interrupted here at work and losing focus on this but these are thoughts and hopfully this thread will keep going and we'll have an east coast fest before long. Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Warren Sirota wrote: > >> I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a >> big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? >> it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa >> Cruz). >> >> Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for >> free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience >> might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, >> etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins >> in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) >> > Keep in mind how densely populated the area is. I have no idea what this > small community > is that you're referring to. > > New Brunswick & Rutgers is only a 1/2 hour away to the North. > Trenton is close by. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_4655_21282490.1211401948642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    Agreed re the brainstorming, the hard part as before is keeping going when the walls come up but seriously I"m game here if we can find a home.  Though I have a couple of venue ideas in my own neck of the woods here Brooklyn area I tend to favor the idea of NJ for some reason.  One being the academic circle as to a degree though Dennis and Todd will have more expertise here but my hunch is academia will have greater tolerance/support/interest in things experimental.  At one of my Language of 3 shows in Philadelphia ironically though the venue is defunct now but a source there suggested that a college in Queens was really into experimental music.  I explored it but never got in dialog with the figure head but maybe need to revisit that.
     
    Re the people staying in the beginning I think this would have to be volunteer people's counches and floor space of which I've' given as well as received as I've always been on a shoestring with the music.
     
    Another thought being here in NY is to try to get some interest from the annual NY Guitar Festival series which has been organized by a guy named David Spellman that in years past I had some dialog but have since lost that trail as I never cracked it.  I am friendly with a couple of folks who have played in it but they do have their own agenda so my hunch is we're on our own initially.
     
    I had mentioed another contact that I will reloop in this a gentleman some of us know named Don Slepian.  Don had hosted a home based house concert/webcast for years out of Lebanon NJ and has since moved to rural PA.  I know he is beginning to focus on music again and may have some ideas re venue possibilities albeit though bet Michael has the best handle on Philly if that were the place.  I hear a range of thoughts from Philly is dried up to other ops that there are gigs for experimental stuff.  Daryl and I have some shows lined up this summer for Chinapainting again and have been trying to find a door there, we've had some bites but no lunch yet.
     
    Keep getting interrupted here at work and losing focus on this but these are thoughts  and hopfully this thread will keep going and we'll have an east coast fest before long.
     
    Jim

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
    Warren Sirota wrote:
    I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)
    Keep in mind how densely populated the area is. I have no idea what this small community
    is that you're referring to.

    New Brunswick & Rutgers is only a 1/2 hour away to the North.
    Trenton is close by.

    --
    * David Beardsley
    * http://biink.com





    --
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    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
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    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_4655_21282490.1211401948642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3953BEC1; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com Message-ID: <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=cTAp6RidnYmdl90hbv80KjcQA7qutkAiBdIDY87jwyxRy69XC2wSifwta3QIKRIUYbS3cqJLl+UZneH84cCjDDGQHMpZt4iG40Vc6aK0zHglkjZ5m+YlD0Pploa9XD5KCDufdeFqKh9zj5hNW9H0kga2jvG+p/dlNhgngq4HfkA= ; X-YMail-OSG: 6P8._NoVM1kPEhehhLmFnKfTfywZZkL3EkFAWehymklM7tTK1T_5p7OS0mm7.XCMMLwS2gyHNZupOmSmZ8Awtvt.yQlFiRkT1_h83iSfrTUPYcZu.P5NPOaSdaSKjd2yxSCchAT20T_Uf4Obh3xCHdvg X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Northern New Jersey gig spam Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:37:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BB60.FD6C0AF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Aci7YCFMkJbJhpcTQP6fQDCquuiwowAIJlDw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:37:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BB60.FD6C0AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jim. Thanks. I think "clearly hear the influences" would be a polite understatement - "grotesquely derivative" might be more accurate. 8^{/} I think I responed privately to a querry from the other half of Chinapainting (yo, Daryl!), and being lazy I'll just copy from that message: I am still kinda bewildered by the reception we got from 'Grapes. We played there opening for some singer/songwriter-type, did 2 sets of improvised mayhem and people seemed to enjoy it. At least we got more than the obligatory polite applause. This will be our first time with an entire evening to ourselves and the fact that they're having us back is encouraging. I think the bulk of their booking is more conventional performers (whatever that means - I guess singer/songwriter or jazz stuff). I'll report back after Friday. I'll respond to the festival thread in a different message. Maybe even change the subject line to reflect the topic. m.c. _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings. Going to send you a couple of friend requests. Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial booking for your. I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but have lost trails over there re gigs. Lastly while at it. Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a festival out here. I picked up the ball a bit and then had to let it ago. It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion on this time. Jim [Goodin] www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/eastofwhere ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BB60.FD6C0AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hey Jim.  Thanks.  I think "clearly = hear the=20 influences" would be a polite understatement - "grotesquely derivative" = might be=20 more accurate.  8^{/}
     
    I think I responed privately to a querry from = the other=20 half of Chinapainting (yo, Daryl!), and being lazy I'll just copy = from that=20 message:
     
    I am still=20 kinda bewildered by the reception we got from 'Grapes. We played there = opening=20 for some singer/songwriter-type, did 2 sets of improvised mayhem and = people=20 seemed to enjoy it. At least we got more than the obligatory polite = applause.=20 This will be our first time with an entire evening to ourselves and the = fact=20 that they're having us back is encouraging.
     
    I think the bulk of = their=20 booking is more conventional performers (whatever that means - I = guess=20 singer/songwriter or jazz stuff).  I'll report back after=20 Friday. 
     
    I'll=20 respond to the festival thread in a different message.  Maybe even = change=20 the subject line to reflect the topic.
     
    m.c.

    From: Jim Goodin=20 [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2008 12:31=20 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: = Re:=20 Northern New Jersey gig spam

    Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like = what=20 you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural = paintings. =20 Going to send you a couple of friend requests.

    Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a = private or=20 trial booking for your.  I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in = Brooklyn)=20 but have lost trails over there re gigs.
     
    Lastly while at it.  Last summer there was some chatter about = org'ing=20 a festival out here.  I picked up  the ball a bit and then had = to let=20 it ago.  It does seem there are enough of us interested in the = possibility=20 and I'd like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more = forward=20 motion on this time.
     
    Jim [Goodin]
    www.myspace.com/jimgoodinm= usic
    www.myspace.com/ji= mgoodinviolinelectro
    www.myspace.com/chinap= aintingmusic
    www.myspace.com/eastofwhere
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BB60.FD6C0AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:49:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FE383BED9; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 704769.99396.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com Message-ID: <704769.99396.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index; b=KpZMgq1rL+G3Lqumum6CxtZHaeCWp/Ux7xr/3gEgtNJObhJFKXXKvnCrOphufkecNx0+vwP8UcZwYd/n4kytH+BhbLcMpKQug3gDAnntKjGdNeRiaHitMlQCn/wW/6vvnhXuWtBjV5YizYrvf8znLxYiDWkRftmb5WJySs9Ta6w= ; X-YMail-OSG: VAzHZKAVM1ktzZMQ_MNcO0fZelbq.mOVgDU5SglHbcM5m730LUJHvinvE9Oxg8I5E45TgwSzBf7gQElZxFyaSqR2YxCO4kqcPu4ntJ10eTnYRRUdCl8YqXVVEWTdsqPnXCRKuD3waSbTMaBpcu.MtEu0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:49:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8BB62.A5CA8040" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211332t748097bhd2f5c9c63bff5b02@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Aci7gc8clzFMmAXCRVWx7mxCbesLzAAATc7A Resent-Message-ID: <0gDt2.A.wbB.srINIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:49:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8BB62.A5CA8040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I should read ahead when referring to threads that are ongoing re: subject change. Anyhoo... We'd be into playing any kind of East Coast festival that might come together. Tying in with an academic institution might be useful - doesn't Princeton have a laptop band? Offering it as an educational event (with us folks talking about approaches, hardware, improvising, stalking the muse with a spear gun, etc.) might be good. A Looposium maybe. m.c. ps - my spellcheck just tried to substitute "Monopodium" for Looposium. Ya mean it's not a real word? http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8BB62.A5CA8040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I=20 guess I should read ahead when referring to threads that are ongoing re: = subject=20 change.  Anyhoo...
     
    We'd=20 be into playing any kind of East Coast festival that might come = together. =20 Tying in with an academic institution might be useful - doesn't = Princeton have a=20 laptop band?  Offering it as an educational event (with us folks = talking=20 about approaches, hardware, improvising, stalking the muse with a spear = gun,=20 etc.) might be good.  A Looposium maybe.
     
    m.c.
     
    ps -=20 my spellcheck just tried to substitute "Monopodium" for Looposium.  = Ya mean=20 it's not a real word?
     
    http://www.TwistedAp= pleRecords.com
     ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C8BB62.A5CA8040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:54:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865F13BED5; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=UouH+OWT/QMxDEL1ioS9OHPtBNpaoSR5QvwYGxjNMsk=; b=qSCa2SSAEb7DORRvkq5MzHOV/ZxxzVA6kRw+vhm30celuGqJmPM9qhdahbmST3eSoD6daw6Hu+TDdqkHpUuOcNwfoaSt104AG3y/qav4jn1idmwyL8JRni9s/k6jH/uC2X0Pb86oDzA5s2FyCwGeVPqPa0z0qt1Ysw/5i88RH0Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=ESyw/mdUXCBJunrWp9lVlmt7EBjrpB2E+SD018W5mpjClyFgqi4ZLiyGWBukWGBwMAwylIdlUkr6pUO1VX6/MWlQo+hpdtQNcT9Dwe9O+jM4OrwLdvs/ErZ2UrGwz+73PNOJMfyinL/MuIqp5Gn/fnM54ROLQUba4EpZtFvnSvs= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0805211354w7e6cdd89s66c5d85fbf630f51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:54:54 +0200 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The mixer question AGAIN... sorry... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4696_13344451.1211403294105" X-Google-Sender-Auth: bf8f520202a1d905 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:54:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4696_13344451.1211403294105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I asked this question only a few months ago, with some amazing suggestions. I didnt buy anything then, but now have figured out a cunning plan. The intervening months have made me think hard about what my requirements for a new mixer really are and of course I want suggestions. 1. Rackmount Pref 1 space.. 2 works... 3 is absolute MAX... 2. 1 X Dedicated Effects send. (at least, 2 would be nice, and of course the more the merrier) 3. 1 GROUP output. (switchable on each channel) This CAN be a pre fade send too I guess, but preferably I would like a press button on each channel instead. 4. Simple EQ. Bass and Treb is fine. 5. Stereo Channels. All my stuff is basically stereo, I hate having to push up two channels, and on a rackmount I expect knobs, which would be worse. 6. Pan. goes without saying. 7, MUTE per channel Now it HAS occured to me that I might do what I need with TWO one U mixers, (but only if one of them had channel direct outs, so I could hop one mixer over to the next and use the first as the group thing) Maybe its best if I explain my setup: Two Stereo INS from Guitar. Stereo IN from guitar effects and Stereo IN from Guitar Synth. I then want to be able to press a button to send these INs to my loopers (all three of them), that will be simply all linked together . So the group out goes to all loopers inputs simultaneously. I decide which looper to loop on by... um... well ... looping on it.. DOH!! I THEN want to bring back the audio from all three loopers into their own stereo channels, therfore, I CAN, loop a looper. (and by default accidentally or not get a terrible feedback loop situation going OUCH!) Plus I need to be able to MUTE the actual instrument channel, BUT route to a looper. (so it MUST have a prefade send if no group solution). Now I think there WAS one solution to a 1U, 2 AUX mixer where one send was pre and the other was post (cant for the life of me remember what THAT was tho) So what are all you lot doing... or are you all using table tops... Im done with them by the way, tis the reason I dont gig, too much wiring and re wiring... I am now wishing to simplify my guitar situation and actually get out of the studio!!! Maybe, just maybe, if I succeed in finally getting a robust and indestructible system Ill try to make it to the next Santa Cruz thing (meeting Rick does that to you you know???) Help Please... Mark PS: years ago a mate had an interesting digital mixer where you cold save and recall mixes... cant remember anything about it... except it was pretty cool... (not the simmons thing, I have one of those and its great but NOT what I need now) ------=_Part_4696_13344451.1211403294105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I asked this question only a few months ago, with some amazing suggestions. I didnt buy anything then, but now have figured out a cunning plan.

    The intervening months have made me think hard about what my requirements for a new mixer really are and of course I want suggestions.

    1. Rackmount Pref 1 space.. 2 works... 3 is absolute MAX...
    2. 1 X Dedicated Effects send. (at least, 2 would be nice, and of course the more the merrier)
    3. 1 GROUP output. (switchable on each channel) This CAN be a pre fade send too I guess, but preferably I would like a press button on each channel instead.
    4. Simple EQ. Bass and Treb is fine.
    5. Stereo Channels. All my stuff is basically stereo, I hate having to push up two channels, and on a rackmount I expect knobs, which would be worse.
    6. Pan. goes without saying.
    7, MUTE per channel

    Now it HAS occured to me that I might do what I need with TWO one U mixers, (but only if one of them had channel direct outs, so I could hop one mixer over to the next and use the first as the group thing)

    Maybe its best if I explain my setup:

    Two Stereo INS from Guitar.  Stereo IN from guitar effects and Stereo IN from Guitar Synth.
    I then want to be able to press a button to send these INs to my loopers (all three of them), that will be simply all linked together . So the group out goes to all loopers inputs simultaneously. I decide which looper to loop on by... um... well ... looping on it.. DOH!!
    I THEN want to bring back the audio from all three loopers into their own stereo channels, therfore, I CAN, loop a looper. (and by default accidentally or not get a terrible feedback loop situation going OUCH!)

    Plus I need to be able to MUTE the actual instrument channel, BUT route to a looper. (so it MUST have a prefade send if no group solution).

    Now I think there WAS one solution to a 1U, 2 AUX mixer where one send was pre and the other was post (cant for the life of me remember what THAT was tho)

    So what are all you lot doing... or are you all using table tops... Im done with them by the way, tis the reason I dont gig, too much wiring and re wiring... I am now wishing to simplify my guitar situation and actually get out of the studio!!! Maybe, just maybe, if I succeed in finally getting a robust and indestructible system Ill try to make it to the next Santa Cruz thing (meeting Rick does that to you you know???)

    Help Please...

    Mark

    PS: years ago a mate had an interesting digital mixer where you cold save and recall mixes... cant remember anything about it... except it was pretty cool... (not the simmons thing, I have one of those and its great but NOT what I need now)








    ------=_Part_4696_13344451.1211403294105-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:57:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E3F33BEDD; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=GkpnZSQ62J0h/TcflK5rHiAAGDOIg/sFmFxpgJYzktM=; b=YYFnG50GEjY2p8CCBCT8/bncWeB9sTJr1SrNcB9oiVu1xd8b8jkOny3XKDj84DMhJ8YRZlFzlYO89Ej2D6S7jBND7gcFq9tHJ+TebHDXxV6dv1TRxx/MQP/i+gmNUmgOLzA6c7K479W7arfb4QnQUNf+lz/B9xcUZ6sYmWyM44k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Gu1D5OOxKFPw+8wjqb89FQp5z1g01U0REpSJWhgUctNPbii8ZZK2j9E0CfxcdzEgOOzCnKAXvrO34WRSSNHJRAu++j5sIagbnCivscbbHGYbaB3gi3zGjAsj46fD+nR/8xRRijlGkov63b4FRuKr7Aa+vl3OvU55eR6Xp2LU0GM= Message-ID: <101191640805211357t57103b38jc2f8ab7c88fb5819@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:57:16 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <704769.99396.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7532_30387549.1211403436804" References: <9e0440a60805211332t748097bhd2f5c9c63bff5b02@mail.gmail.com> <704769.99396.bm@omp206.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d094cd64cbfcf646 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:57:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7532_30387549.1211403436804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm sure quite a few of us would be willing to do a talk or something else educational, if that were a help. last year at Electromusic I set up an interactive installation based on my looper for an afternoon and guided quite a few people through playing with it. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM, murkie wrote: > I guess I should read ahead when referring to threads that are ongoing > re: subject change. Anyhoo... > > We'd be into playing any kind of East Coast festival that might come > together. Tying in with an academic institution might be useful - doesn't > Princeton have a laptop band? Offering it as an educational event (with us > folks talking about approaches, hardware, improvising, stalking the muse > with a spear gun, etc.) might be good. A Looposium maybe. > > m.c. > > ps - my spellcheck just tried to substitute "Monopodium" for Looposium. Ya > mean it's not a real word? > > *http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com* > ------=_Part_7532_30387549.1211403436804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm sure quite a few of us would be willing to do a talk or something else educational, if that were a help. last year at Electromusic I set up an interactive installation based on my looper for an afternoon and guided quite a few people through playing with it.

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:49 PM, murkie <sinister_footwear@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I guess I should read ahead when referring to threads that are ongoing re: subject change.  Anyhoo...
     
    We'd be into playing any kind of East Coast festival that might come together.  Tying in with an academic institution might be useful - doesn't Princeton have a laptop band?  Offering it as an educational event (with us folks talking about approaches, hardware, improvising, stalking the muse with a spear gun, etc.) might be good.  A Looposium maybe.
     
    m.c.
     
    ps - my spellcheck just tried to substitute "Monopodium" for Looposium.  Ya mean it's not a real word?
     

    ------=_Part_7532_30387549.1211403436804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 20:59:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6123BEDC; Wed, 21 May 2008 20:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:58:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120bf41b165903c09cdd3025e9bec1d8c1ab5cd783463dfdc2a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:59:49 +0000 (UTC) I've got some friends in low places who might be interested in helpng put this together... The curator of the NY Guitar Festival, for one... CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 22:39:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27DF33BE99; Wed, 21 May 2008 22:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4gUBLGrbfZlmmPImj+/PEAiQ5Hz2qRgHgVw/pVHCUfw=; b=E5bRKmGk2ck5UkEicARkkLwQfl0Svtec4m+WeYKcYolPz/7jYIz7QDnaZLfqncjgGfuCINL6nclTDIp1npUFCY37wLeBMrIAIDONrmPWp4xEmJTbyTD9PqKzpv18ASUbkZuY5JYY/MfIn3FsKQczNfF4olPUGqWBdx34f4t2FBs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j4mbzhqW4KEGr19LpiyPKyx9TbgQIX3X67eKvtCiLPbMbtxZ3jK+jTDOswoxcF1lnskGPZ+yrUEPmH5+A2cxkC8tUZT3CVI2aesKO/kndpxAxbsZthwuFWxm4TxES9vzsh+dqFB5Oce+3owGnt72voaXeDKJmHbr3RUAYJZetu8= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805211539u453d537cqcb07cb2be7464d0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:39:17 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5059_11935256.1211409557791" References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <48345F19.8010405@biink.com> <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0vnNYB.A.6qD.XSKNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:39:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5059_11935256.1211409557791 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Charles is that David Spellman or is someone else curating that now? I know him from the past but have lost trail. Anyhow if so a good contact indeed. I got pulled away with work losing touch with our dialog but I'm very pleased to see this off and running again and let's keep alive. I think we have enough energy and many of you on this list have been here much longer than I but for what's worth I'm just interested in this coming to be both to encourage the growth of genre and equally to bring together the community and take it from being only an electronic community. More later Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > I've got some friends in low places who might be interested in helpng put > this together... > > The curator of the NY Guitar Festival, for one... > > CZ > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5059_11935256.1211409557791 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Charles is that David Spellman or is someone else curating that now? I know him from the past but have lost trail.  Anyhow if so a good contact indeed.
     
    I got pulled away with work losing touch with our dialog but I'm very pleased to see this off and running again and let's keep alive.  I think we have enough energy and many of you on this list have been here much longer than I but for what's worth I'm just interested in this coming to be both to encourage the growth of genre and equally to bring together the community and take it from being only an electronic community.
     
    More later
     
    Jim
    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
    I've got some friends in low places who might be interested in helpng put this together...

    The curator of the NY Guitar Festival, for one...

    CZ


    --
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    http://www.zmix.net




    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5059_11935256.1211409557791-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 21 23:29:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6ED73BE97; Wed, 21 May 2008 23:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TFkraRzQENNOiTbRm2hrIX/74OfQHevfLUEdnkyHXFc=; b=qD5kwBgaprNy9PhgoP5a84rq1dgMMQODnOk+atfueSd0Puw0KVleeoqfVykgUr80/lLgq6SnmVwS4zD7bDWmBdtwODmgxGMz9TEVc9Km3GjUsd2tMJJ6nbgSRn39xp4PSVcKj1b1ERNN01EiDtiURh7AT+pAFTNFQ/N6qjhLYXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PxzlOsTKCn7Um3wrf7bLHs37udU3AN4ma6zZR9YXLi8k65gkP/CkApOMK6ziqjLKJWohN/XxyNbqayGEd6gVfHUz/sR6M0HMnM/WIeujZVPsONDDKgQPs2PX4LRo/4AYMOjHw4ITpzylZ2CapLn6bYcL2CismU1BbTuv9bjMfFs= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:29:03 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam In-Reply-To: <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5176_18774011.1211412543567" References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:29:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5176_18774011.1211412543567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mark thanks, guess Daryl and I are thinking almost telepathically from all the remote playing we've done. I just saw your gig announce and as I was thinking you were local to NJ at the time saw it as an interesting sounding gig to explore the where with all with you. Was streaming your stuff in the backgound at same time which was great Mark. How often do you attend the Crafties? I almost did several years ago but went to Dave Smolover's NGSW in CT instead. Hindsight should have gone to Fripp's thing. Later read Eric's ? book on it which was pretty unique spin. Please do chime in on the fest thread I'm particularly excited by today's energy and hope we keep it going as I'd like to see this happen. Where are you in VT? I was up there for a few sessions at Will Ackerman's studio in Brattleboro between 03-04. I have done one house concert up there as well. Mark look fwd to your thoughts on the fest thread. Luck with the Grapes show. Daryl and did a Chinapainting show at a friends winery near Sacramento CA when we were out there last fall. Though not publized enough it was still a neat day among a number of fruit flies as it was near harvest... best Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:37 PM, murkie wrote: > Hey Jim. Thanks. I think "clearly hear the influences" would be a > polite understatement - "grotesquely derivative" might be more accurate. > 8^{/} > > I think I responed privately to a querry from the other half of > Chinapainting (yo, Daryl!), and being lazy I'll just copy from that message: > > > I am still kinda bewildered by the reception we got from 'Grapes. We played > there opening for some singer/songwriter-type, did 2 sets of improvised > mayhem and people seemed to enjoy it. At least we got more than the > obligatory polite applause. This will be our first time with an entire > evening to ourselves and the fact that they're having us back is > encouraging. > > I think the bulk of their booking is more conventional performers (whatever > that means - I guess singer/songwriter or jazz stuff). I'll report back > after Friday. > > I'll respond to the festival thread in a different message. Maybe even > change the subject line to reflect the topic. > > m.c. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:31 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam > > Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what > you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings. > Going to send you a couple of friend requests. > > Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial > booking for your. I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but > have lost trails over there re gigs. > > Lastly while at it. Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a > festival out here. I picked up the ball a bit and then had to let it ago. > It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd > like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion > on this time. > > Jim [Goodin] > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic > www.myspace.com/eastofwhere > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5176_18774011.1211412543567 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Mark thanks, guess Daryl and I are thinking almost telepathically from all the remote playing we've done.  I just saw your gig announce and as I was thinking you were local to NJ at the time saw it as an interesting sounding gig to explore the where with all with you.  Was streaming your stuff in the backgound at same time which was great Mark.  How often do you attend the Crafties?  I almost did several years ago but went to Dave Smolover's NGSW in CT instead.  Hindsight should have gone to Fripp's thing.  Later read Eric's ? book  on it which was pretty unique spin.
     
    Please do chime in on the fest thread I'm particularly excited by today's energy and hope we keep it going as I'd like to see this happen.
     
    Where are you in VT?  I was up there for a few sessions at Will Ackerman's studio in Brattleboro between 03-04.  I have done one house concert up there as well.
     
    Mark look fwd to your thoughts on the fest thread.  Luck with the Grapes show.  Daryl and did a Chinapainting show at a friends winery near Sacramento CA when we were out there last fall. Though not publized enough it was still a neat day among a number of fruit flies as it was near harvest...
     
    best
     
    Jim

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:37 PM, murkie <sinister_footwear@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Hey Jim.  Thanks.  I think "clearly hear the influences" would be a polite understatement - "grotesquely derivative" might be more accurate.  8^{/}
     
    I think I responed privately to a querry from the other half of Chinapainting (yo, Daryl!), and being lazy I'll just copy from that message:
     
    I am still kinda bewildered by the reception we got from 'Grapes. We played there opening for some singer/songwriter-type, did 2 sets of improvised mayhem and people seemed to enjoy it. At least we got more than the obligatory polite applause. This will be our first time with an entire evening to ourselves and the fact that they're having us back is encouraging.
     
    I think the bulk of their booking is more conventional performers (whatever that means - I guess singer/songwriter or jazz stuff).  I'll report back after Friday. 
     
    I'll respond to the festival thread in a different message.  Maybe even change the subject line to reflect the topic.
     
    m.c.

    From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:31 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Northern New Jersey gig spam

    Mark I just listed to your My Space (Twisted...) samples and like what you're doing a lot, clearly hear the influences but great aural paintings.  Going to send you a couple of friend requests.

    Also does Amazing Grapes do music regularly or is this a private or trial booking for your.  I used to play a lot in NJ (I'm based in Brooklyn) but have lost trails over there re gigs.
     
    Lastly while at it.  Last summer there was some chatter about org'ing a festival out here.  I picked up  the ball a bit and then had to let it ago.  It does seem there are enough of us interested in the possibility and I'd like to try to encourage this again, possibly can assume more forward motion on this time.
     
    Jim [Goodin]
     



    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5176_18774011.1211412543567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 00:47:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8576A3BE93; Thu, 22 May 2008 00:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1692 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 22 May 2008 00:47:00 UTC From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:18:44 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C8BB66.B93166E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci7n1PJjugyUaRoTsCakOUgSTkS9AAAZOAg Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:47:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C8BB66.B93166E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &rd=1&item=190224090648 My last piece of looping hardware. If you win it treat it nicely! Mark ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C8BB66.B93166E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:21:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2008 01:21:29.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[295463D0:01C8BBAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone. I recently got Ableton and I've been trying to set myself up t= o organically loop with it but I gotta say I'm just not cut out for program= ming midi so I keep having to use my mouse. that doesn't work for me. is th= ere an EASY way to set up a midi foot switch to use in Live (like a set tem= plate or something) or should I give up go back to just using a boomerang? = I have a rocktron midi mate and every "midi-learn" number it sends is the s= ame. And I get nothing typed via midi stroke. (hopefully you know what all = that means.) THANK YOU in advance. E. _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i=92m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=3DEML_WL_ChangeWor= ld= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 01:42:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DBDD3BE91; Thu, 22 May 2008 01:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1201 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 22 May 2008 01:42:56 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1211419375; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=7bkF43PniZw0RQPLUgoR2+H+emo=; b=Vi7Z64ehAAibf24UzkJjWNOehoAoEp3qFXOiLlOmTT1X/NOyDcEH7MP5l8dl6NfR XQyzfgtF/cvlgoLMz20z3rmrkj+ZFa8UOgUkfi9esyOs2Us2T3BybqfFy24wZtW9; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bm_Dt914f6MA:10 a=d_fRgm7sAAAA:8 a=Tb123-MVAAAA:8 a=WLI1rvMNAAAA:8 a=BemZ1sdFAAAA:8 a=GM1EA3-KAAAA:8 a=88bKcKB7AAAA:8 a=wUJ9XRdNAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=DPgOdzIHAAAA:8 a=KCVmX8HyAAAA:8 a=s9ThSRKNAAAA:8 a=xAEii7aeAAAA:8 a=LWb-107BYRtditNgcC8A:9 a=d09js3KwV1ua_QKMZTQA:7 a=NfwTKJWMqrUgUsweQaCyRNpl1YoA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=y8uU-wZ5_isA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=NG6T_zFlut0A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=WDQyje5fJifnAAaBvOQA:9 a=SBd4Rzc2j9NWTUZt46QA:7 a=m52bwE6GRdxy2sUNx0oOthM3uNYA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: To: "'Jim Goodin'" , Cc: Subject: RE: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:28:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0259_01C8BB89.ADBF2CC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60805211214i73b9da9crf12ff05de6ee2294@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Aci7pCao48aMfLn6SY+Lylear3uUNgAA57KQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:42:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0259_01C8BB89.ADBF2CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm, I think I=92ll chime in here being from Jersey and = all=85greetings to you all!! =20 First off to Jim Goodin, yes indeed, Amazing Grapes (http://www.amazing-grapes.com/ ) has music there pretty regularly. A = friend of mine, an amazing fingerstyle guitarist, John Sheehan plays there at = least once a month, so the venue is friendly to that as well as being = open-minded enough for the prog-ambient style of Stone Document. BTW=85Mark, I = listened in to your music on myspace and it=92s impressive!! I may be there on = Friday the 23rd. =20 OK, so back to the potential East Coast Festival of Looping=85I know a = few possible venues that can be approached for feasibility. One is the NJ Proghouse, run by Jim Robinson, who is no stranger to the progrock = scene, but is also open to looping as he=92s hosted my friend, Peter Biedermann = and Trio White Light in the past with a favorable audience response. He uses = a theater in Metuchen or that area that has good acoustics and is not a =93watering hole=94 as someone previously mentioned that they DIDN=92T = want to hold it in. Agreed. He=92s on the web and can be contacted through his = website which is http://www.njproghouse.com Also, FWIW he and his staff (staph as they call themselves!) will be taking = the reins for NEARFest next year and many more after that, so he has the experience to provide us with a decent place to play, knowledge of = sound, etc. =20 My second thought had always been to approach Dominic Frasca who owns = The Monkey in NYC. This room is a very cool performance venue, on the 12th = floor of a building filled with rehearsal spaces and other such spaces, with a cityscape view behind the stage and a damn fine sound system. I=92m sure Dominic would be receptive to the idea of promoting looping as he=92s = hosted none other than our own Andre Lafosse in the past, too. The problem with this is that it is logistically painful to hump one=92s gear up and = down, although that is negligible with others willing to pitch in and = =93roadie=94 a bit. Find him here (http://www.monkeywest.com/ ). =20 Another interesting place would be in Union, NJ and it=92s called Van = Gogh=92s Ear. It=92s an eclectic coffeehouse/caf=E9 that is friendly to avant = garde and ambient and singer-songwriters, etc. It=92s a =91bring your own=92 venue = and they serve very good food, too. Go here http://www.vangoghsearcafe.com/ and check them out. Their stage area may be a bit tight, but I=92ve seen = my friends Monkeyworks (http://www.monkeyworksmusic.com/ ) there and I = believe that 5 or more of them fit just fine onstage.=20 =20 Soooooooo, there you have it. We had a few other great coffeehouses but unfortunately, we are losing them one-by-one. =20 Loop on, =20 Ed in NJ =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:14 PM To: db@biink.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level =20 So maybe it's timely. When I left Y2K last October Rick sort of "passed = the torch" in a sense to me and Michael K (Philly) with the edict of why = don't you guys get a eastcoaster going. I'd really like to get after this = this time and will do my best not to "flake out" as I did last time partly = due to feeling overextended at the time and just partly feeling like it was = kind of just sitting on the fence as the Jungle Book vultures. =20 I know it's not that hard has a former project of mine called the = Language of 3 which was like a mini-mini-festival in a sense, a performance = concept similar in scope to the Int'l Guitar Night, I put together half dozen = shows managing the additional artists involved. It is sort of a 'lonely at = the top' kind of gig and I'd like to see a northeast loop/experimental fest = take place with several of us driving the boat. =20 The chief obstacle seems to be a venue or host. Two years ago I went to = the NY Fretless Guitar festival which was held in the Tap Bar of the = KFactory over a Friday and Saturday which kind of amazed me that the KF would = give that much time to it. The Friday PM draw was modest for KF @30. This = fest had some sponsorship from Godin and a couple of other places and = musicians attending globally. My point is I guess a host could easily be a bar = place like that but in Manhattan it seems a tougher sell albeit Michael Vick organizer of the above mentioned fest got in there. =20 I would prefer something more of a performance space than a liquor wagon = but that's me. I've even had the thought of something like this festival = could exist running almost in a house concert atmosphere in a large enough = home and a generous enough host. Y2K's fest was in a modern office park kind = of room almost akin to a corporate theatre. =20 So a place, then a date. We're here in spring and something like this = is too late in the fall hits around Y2K time so maybe I'd say either = something like a mini fest scheduled for August though that atleast in the City is often dead time but possibly in NJ or PA or upstate NY probably not so = dead. =20 I would do a website for the event. Another thought is what I'm sure = Kris and Rick have dealt with is for msuicians traveling long distances if we = had such, getting financial assist for them. I've got contacts with two company's that I have prod endorsement through though neither has ever = given me any sense of financial committment, those being GHS and Godin so = doubtful they would kick in money though GHS has certainly support Muriel = Anderson who has an annual series at NAMM called Muriel's All Star Guitars. The = next possibility is grant money which I understand is a long trail to = success. =20 These are all just idle thoughts but I'm pretty interested in getting = behind getting an event going this time but I don't want to be alone in it. I = do have a few shows this summer wtih Chinapainting and my other duo East of WHere but have more time to give to this idea. As I think about it = August might not be be as my family and I will be away a week, maybe early July = to have a mini. =20 Anyhow your thoughts? =20 Best =20 Jim On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, David Beardsley wrote: Jim Goodin wrote: It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in = the northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get = to come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here = but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle = is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you = do your mini one at Princeton? Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it = might come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? =20 Strangely enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who = was interested last year flaked out and lost interest. --=20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com =20 --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0259_01C8BB89.ADBF2CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hmmmm, I think I’ll chime in = here being from Jersey and = all…greetings to you all!!

     

    First off to Jim Goodin, yes = indeed, Amazing Grapes (http://www.amazing-grapes.com/ ) has music there pretty regularly. A friend of mine, an amazing = fingerstyle guitarist, John Sheehan plays there at least once a month, so the venue = is friendly to that as well as being open-minded enough for the = prog-ambient style of Stone Document. BTW…Mark, I listened in to your music on = myspace and it’s impressive!! I may be there on Friday the = 23rd.

     

    OK, so back to the potential East = Coast Festival of Looping…I know a few possible venues that can be approached for feasibility. One is the NJ Proghouse, run by Jim Robinson, who is no = stranger to the progrock scene, but is also open to looping as he’s hosted = my friend, Peter Biedermann and Trio White Light in the past with a = favorable audience response. He uses a theater in Metuchen or that area that has = good acoustics and is not a “watering hole” as someone previously mentioned that they DIDN’T want to hold it in. Agreed. He’s = on the web and can be contacted through his website which is http://www.njproghouse.com = Also, FWIW he and his staff (staph as they call themselves!) will be taking the reins = for NEARFest next year and many more after that, so he has the experience to provide us with a decent place to play, knowledge of sound, = etc.

     

    My second thought had always been = to approach Dominic Frasca who owns The Monkey in NYC. This room is a very = cool performance venue, on the 12th floor of a building filled = with rehearsal spaces and other such spaces, with a cityscape view behind the = stage and a damn fine sound system. I’m sure Dominic would be receptive = to the idea of promoting looping as he’s hosted none other than our own = Andre Lafosse in the past, too. The problem with this is that it is = logistically painful to hump one’s gear up and down, although that is = negligible with others willing to pitch in and “roadie” a bit. Find him here = (http://www.monkeywest.com/ = ).

     

    Another interesting place would be = in Union, NJ and it’s called Van Gogh’s Ear. It’s an eclectic = coffeehouse/caf=E9 that is friendly to avant garde and ambient and singer-songwriters, etc. = It’s a ‘bring your own’ venue and they serve very good food, too. = Go here http://www.vangoghsearcafe.com/<= /a>

    and check them out. Their stage = area may be a bit tight, but I’ve seen my friends Monkeyworks (http://www.monkeyworksmusic.com= / ) there and I believe that 5 or more of them fit just fine onstage. =

     

    Soooooooo, there you have it. We = had a few other great coffeehouses but unfortunately, we are losing them = one-by-one.

     

    Loop = on,

     

    Ed in = NJ

     

     

     

     

    From: Jim = Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, = 2008 3:14 PM
    To: db@biink.com
    Cc: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: East Coast = Festival of some level

     

    So maybe it's timely.  When I left Y2K last October Rick = sort of "passed the torch" in a sense to me and Michael K (Philly) = with the edict of why don't you guys get a eastcoaster going.  I'd really = like to get after this this time and will do my best not to "flake = out" as I did last time partly due to feeling overextended at the time and just = partly feeling like it was kind of just sitting on the fence as the Jungle Book vultures.

     

    I know it's not that hard has a former project of mine called = the Language of 3 which was like a mini-mini-festival in a sense, a = performance concept similar in scope to the Int'l Guitar Night, I put together half = dozen shows managing the additional artists involved.  It is sort of a = 'lonely at the top' kind of gig and I'd like to see a northeast = loop/experimental fest take place with several of us driving the = boat.

     

    The chief obstacle seems to be a venue or host.  Two years = ago I went to the NY Fretless Guitar festival which was held in the Tap Bar of = the KFactory over a Friday and Saturday which kind of amazed me that the KF = would give that much time to it.  The Friday PM draw was modest for KF @30.  This fest had some sponsorship from Godin and a couple of = other places and musicians attending globally.  My point is I guess a = host could easily be a bar place like that but in Manhattan it seems a tougher sell = albeit Michael Vick organizer of the above mentioned fest got in = there.

     

    I would prefer something more of a performance space than a = liquor wagon but that's me.  I've even had the thought of something like = this festival could exist running almost in a house concert atmosphere in a = large enough home and a generous enough host.  Y2K's fest was in a modern = office park kind of room almost akin to a corporate = theatre.

     

    So a place, then a date.  We're here in spring and = something like this is too late in the fall hits around Y2K time so maybe I'd say = either something like a mini fest scheduled for August though that atleast in = the City is often dead time but possibly in NJ or PA or upstate NY probably not = so dead.

     

    I would do a website for the event.  Another thought is = what I'm sure Kris and Rick have dealt with is for msuicians traveling long = distances if we had such, getting financial assist for them.  I've got contacts = with two company's that I have prod endorsement through though neither has = ever given me any sense of financial committment, those being GHS and Godin = so doubtful they would kick in money though GHS has certainly support Muriel = Anderson who has an annual series at NAMM called Muriel's All Star Guitars.  The = next possibility is grant money which I understand is a long trail to = success.

     

    These are all just idle thoughts but I'm pretty interested in = getting behind getting an event going this time but I don't want to be alone in it.  I do have a few shows this summer wtih Chinapainting and my = other duo East of WHere but have more time to give to this idea.  As I think = about it August might not be be as my family and I will be away a week, maybe = early July to have a mini.

     

    Anyhow your thoughts?

     

    Best

     

    Jim

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> = wrote:

    Jim Goodin wrote:

    It has led me to think though about helping getting something = going in the northeast neck of the woods.  This is easy to talk about but = hard to get to come to be.  I'd like to get behind getting a festival = together out here but can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime.  The most = clear obstacle is finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring = seeking.  Did you do your mini one at Princeton?
     Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that = it might come to be.  Ideas? Thoughts?

     

    Strangely = enough, just yesterday, I was just thinking about everyone who was interested
    last year flaked out and lost interest.

    --
    * David Beardsley
    * http://biink.com




    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= br> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
    Chinapainting on My Space -
    http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /a>
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings -     http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com =

    ------=_NextPart_000_0259_01C8BB89.ADBF2CC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 03:51:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9C13BE95; Thu, 22 May 2008 03:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=z33qPqg+mWvriO9BnKG7bFYq8dZkcZTMgVUMdQ4/9mM=; b=FpCwhwiAfO9ljFQUrWEDMtumjj1D2j60UH+B5NEwGQJkB0eAsYZiBWwzNhWQnWthj0HIYbqpZ14bv/uu74LV4tXjTiLbw48jLP4TbbesZVHSiroiWGUw6XAgLJBFZMblBw76XDn5Lu4wslL5BilrkkbXXBvvXJ+wxEC1euZRAz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=femloWdfSjXbotniqeQSEDWI4eGazVPiT2J79rX4NdB3wGZLctEytsM5EkaeKrPgy3WPzmsdURg4g/ZddwiKUq28VCT8xExn80AZCxsAj0Iujuh7yd1lFmK8HTn4Lz8+tvM+4W6iDpAQv2iyhfV9xLk0VjrXZ/GPDKKKPk18LBo= Message-ID: <26ba8d120805212051n1e537d2ap99c9b7a2c45bf5be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:51:20 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5/23: private party In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_901_15538903.1211428281027" References: <26ba8d120804122348r7a0e97ecg34749f23257eda0b@mail.gmail.com> <418985.3319.qm@web34505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120804131121y5597f771rff6f1c8cda74678a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140703j50a71d7bu367cf4a8d9c6f690@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140707v595e5232wab4e1476222db415@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aac03f32c3630737 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 03:51:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_901_15538903.1211428281027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Damn, someone knows Basque?! Here are the final details for the show. I've been heavily into new gear these days, lots of fun. I see :-( that I missed also some people who replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show... Loop you all very much! (And just got the Boise Experimental Music Festival disk in the mail today, haven't even put it in the machine yet...) We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the Yippie Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth. We are spending a lot of time preparing our new fall show, but this is just a fun show to show you what a show should show you in a nice, cozy space. This features: - a brand-new cast of Illusionary Dancers - The Tom Blatt Project - Dawoud Kringle - Andrew Thomas - Drowned in Drones There is *no charge* for this show; additionally, you can bring your own alcohol, though there is a small uncorking charge for the space. Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly. This is a small space and tends to fill up, so do get there early! On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Hey Tom! Eskerrik asko! > > (Never give a librarian break when it comes to things like this...) > > Best, > > Dennis > > On 4/14/08, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > I should add that I've gotten more response from this announcement than > any > > other gig announcement I ever sent out (typical reply: include me in). > > > > We're just doing a gig to test out our new show on 5/23 and I want to > keep > > it private just because the space is fairly small and intimate (and > because > > I want to get people I know to see it so we can get brutal criticism). > I > > got the confirm and just sent out a quick note without much thought > behind > > it. > > > > Very instructive. Next time I'll send out just a symbol ("The gig > formerly > > known as Tom Swirly's Psych-o-delic Circus") and only respond in Basque. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > > Not at all! Gee/hmph. I've been a member of Looper's Delight since > the > > 50s, when we used to loop with a hacked Victrola using knitting needles > for > > playback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > > > > > > > I thought it was just creepy spam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > > > > > > We haven't finalized that part but I'd hardly be surprised. I > wasn't > > > > > intending to be so cryptic, but now that I was.... :-D > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM, stevenguerrero > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Very Cryptic. Will there be masks? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> please keep 5/23 open for a very special private > > > > >>> party. drop me a > > > > >>> line for more details. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> /t > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> www.myspace.com/mesqua > > > > >> www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> __________________________________________________ > > > > >> Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > /t > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > -- /t ------=_Part_901_15538903.1211428281027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Damn, someone knows Basque?!

    Here are the final details for the show.  I've been heavily into new gear these days, lots of fun.  I see :-( that I missed also some people who replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show...

    Loop you all very much!  (And just got the Boise Experimental Music Festival disk in the mail today, haven't even put it in the machine yet...)


    We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the Yippie Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth.

    We are spending a lot of time preparing our new fall show, but this is just a fun show to show you what a show should show you in a nice, cozy space.

    This features:
    • a brand-new cast of Illusionary Dancers
    • The Tom Blatt Project
    • Dawoud Kringle
    • Andrew Thomas
    • Drowned in Drones
    There is *no charge* for this show;  additionally, you can bring your own alcohol, though there is a small uncorking charge for the space.

    Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly.  This is a small space and tends to fill up, so do get there early!


    On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
    Hey Tom! Eskerrik asko!

    (Never give a librarian break when it comes to things like this...)

    Best,

    Dennis

    On 4/14/08, Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
    > I should add that I've gotten more response from this announcement than any
    > other gig announcement I ever sent out (typical reply: include me in).
    >
    > We're just doing a gig to test out our new show on 5/23 and I want to keep
    > it private just because the space is fairly small and intimate (and because
    > I want to get people I know to see it so we can get brutal criticism).   I
    > got the confirm and just sent out a quick note without much thought behind
    > it.
    >
    > Very instructive.  Next time I'll send out just a symbol ("The gig formerly
    > known as Tom Swirly's Psych-o-delic Circus") and only respond in Basque.
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Not at all!  Gee/hmph.  I've been a member of Looper's Delight since the
    > 50s, when we used to loop with a hacked Victrola using knitting needles for
    > playback.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I thought it was just creepy spam.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > We haven't finalized that part but I'd hardly be surprised.  I wasn't
    > > > > intending to be so cryptic, but now that I was.... :-D
    > > > >
    > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 1:39 PM, stevenguerrero
    > > > > <mesquamacus@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > > > >> Very Cryptic. Will there be masks?
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >> --- Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
    > > > >>
    > > > >>> please keep 5/23 open for a very special private
    > > > >>> party.  drop me a
    > > > >>> line for more details.
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>> --
    > > > >>>     /t
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>  www.myspace.com/mesqua
    > > > >>  www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >> __________________________________________________
    > > > >> Do You Yahoo!?
    > > > >> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
    > > > >> http://mail.yahoo.com
    > > > >>
    > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > > /t
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > >     /t
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >      /t
    >




    --
    /t
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 04:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D6F3BEAF; Thu, 22 May 2008 04:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4834F309.7090100@biink.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:14:01 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5/23: private party References: <26ba8d120804122348r7a0e97ecg34749f23257eda0b@mail.gmail.com> <418985.3319.qm@web34505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120804131121y5597f771rff6f1c8cda74678a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140703j50a71d7bu367cf4a8d9c6f690@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140707v595e5232wab4e1476222db415@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120805212051n1e537d2ap99c9b7a2c45bf5be@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120805212051n1e537d2ap99c9b7a2c45bf5be@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 04:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > Damn, someone knows Basque?! > > Here are the final details for the show. I've been heavily into new > gear these days, lots of fun. I see :-( that I missed also some > people who replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show... > > We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the Yippie > Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth. > > Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly. This is a > small space and tends to fill up, so do get there early! Duh...Tom: what's so secret about the show? We have to guess what city it's in? -- * David Beardsley * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 04:40:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 915343BEA0; Thu, 22 May 2008 04:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=2JStk0x1V6yxhpeXmNHWYACvLORHEve93NSTXFs21kM=; b=OwOgBdY+tRCff+Vgkvi+pY7aiqF2MGy5MH4p/QYXJDr4/lGLDxdSN6Fez+mu95eenE/HRJBjrADSlvd/u5rXN3FF+Pa9JeEDWB0+L4LMJnpA1dp6fheK9j6WL9Z3WMWVD5/bf8C6egsCS0pgYvimNsBiFSgqf09dipvbUSAEP/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gwgKz6uumKC84WXYuWRZ89cy9fFs/XOWJSHiQYAPzTrvNh1TWwU9nzL64Qq7o+BrPtEeuCX9nN0rJMtdlea5qqddmnEQ00+gTSq+vrsd9UCOHDyU95CCIVeCN/tRRJqKSiuY/6M2FvTTtGwWCUqq0vK4uta2bbIeIzVtgVB6wfo= Message-ID: <26ba8d120805212140k5205b839mafe9d03205c045de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:40:41 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: 5/23: private party Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4834F309.7090100@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_937_28799751.1211431241641" References: <26ba8d120804122348r7a0e97ecg34749f23257eda0b@mail.gmail.com> <418985.3319.qm@web34505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120804131121y5597f771rff6f1c8cda74678a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140703j50a71d7bu367cf4a8d9c6f690@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140707v595e5232wab4e1476222db415@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120805212051n1e537d2ap99c9b7a2c45bf5be@mail.gmail.com> <4834F309.7090100@biink.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3f80a2833eb876c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 04:40:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_937_28799751.1211431241641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Urgh. Sorry folks. Yes, of course, I realize that this is an international list, even.... this show is in New York City. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM, David Beardsley wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> Damn, someone knows Basque?! >> >> Here are the final details for the show. I've been heavily into new gear >> these days, lots of fun. I see :-( that I missed also some people who >> replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show... >> >> We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the Yippie >> Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth. >> >> Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly. This is a small >> space and tends to fill up, so do get there early! >> > > Duh...Tom: what's so secret about the show? We have to guess what city it's > in? > > -- > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > > > -- /t ------=_Part_937_28799751.1211431241641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Urgh.  Sorry folks.  Yes, of course, I realize that this is an international list, even.... this show is in New York City.

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
    Tom Ritchford wrote:
    Damn, someone knows Basque?!

    Here are the final details for the show.  I've been heavily into new gear these days, lots of fun.  I see :-( that I missed also some people who replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show...

    We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the Yippie Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth.

    Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly.  This is a small space and tends to fill up, so do get there early!

    Duh...Tom: what's so secret about the show? We have to guess what city it's in?

    --
    * David Beardsley
    * http://biink.com





    --
    /t
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3A03BE94; Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <26ba8d120804122348r7a0e97ecg34749f23257eda0b@mail.gmail.com> <418985.3319.qm@web34505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120804131121y5597f771rff6f1c8cda74678a@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140703j50a71d7bu367cf4a8d9c6f690@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120804140707v595e5232wab4e1476222db415@mail.gmail.com> <26ba8d120805212051n1e537d2ap99c9b7a2c45bf5be@mail.gmail.com> <4834F309.7090100@biink.com> <26ba8d120805212140k5205b839mafe9d03205c045de@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: 5/23: private party Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:25:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8BBF6.24DC85C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8BBF6.24DC85C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mmm, sorry, can't make it, playing in kybermusik at 10 GMT. :P ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Ritchford=20 To: db@biink.com=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:40 AM Subject: Re: 5/23: private party Urgh. Sorry folks. Yes, of course, I realize that this is an = international list, even.... this show is in New York City. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM, David Beardsley = wrote: Tom Ritchford wrote: Damn, someone knows Basque?! Here are the final details for the show. I've been heavily into = new gear these days, lots of fun. I see :-( that I missed also some = people who replied to my gear ad, we'll chat after the show... We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this Friday 5/23 at the = Yippie Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and Elizabeth. Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM promptly. This is a = small space and tends to fill up, so do get there early! Duh...Tom: what's so secret about the show? We have to guess what = city it's in? --=20 * David Beardsley * http://biink.com --=20 /t ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8BBF6.24DC85C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
    Mmm, sorry, can't make it, playing in kybermusik at = 10 GMT.=20 :P
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tom = Ritchford
    Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 = 5:40=20 AM
    Subject: Re: 5/23: private = party

    Urgh.  Sorry folks.  Yes, of course, I = realize that=20 this is an international list, even.... this show is in New York = City.

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM, David = Beardsley=20 <db@biink.com> wrote:
    Tom=20 Ritchford wrote:
    Damn, someone knows Basque?!

    Here are = the final=20 details for the show.  I've been heavily into new gear these = days,=20 lots of fun.  I see :-( that I missed also some people who = replied to=20 my gear ad, we'll chat after the show...

    We're having a secret Tom Swirly show this = Friday 5/23=20 at the Yippie Museum, 9 Bleeker St, between Bowery and=20 Elizabeth.

    Doors open at 7, the first act starts at 8PM = promptly.=20  This is a small space and tends to fill up, so do get there=20 early!

    Duh...Tom: what's so secret about = the show?=20 We have to guess what city it's in?

    -- =
    *=20 David Beardsley
    * http://biink.com




    --
    /t
    ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8BBF6.24DC85C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 09:25:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44953BEA9; Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0WCWJH9ys2e9lwXRGZSJCmOcFRgbZ8eG7jKTUGgq5WroI5qBMulZKgBE5LU20TMskIkCvnMqGuxNX8Gh2Cjgx187wkAATaQmprsLYi/+prerXxfuXHcZj+OdgYyWhhElp6Pe1vLaEDg+FYHD0ZnSix3Vjzdl1XZZ7GkrOPUr0f4=; X-YMail-OSG: lIcuV.gVM1lEfUZdg.yB448JR1LrrPOKAyK1vSPQKYIzSaf..8PJjDS66WZwanPk7oyE2w0kBnz1cX8wxCe5tOe74b8We6PhbgJ6xri8q1_D2Q5Lr0m3Wmz9KJU- Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 02:25:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Anybody seen Rick Walker? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <018601c8bb80$3248d0e0$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <974289.12020.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bob, This is very true! thats the drawback of this looping stuff you can never rely on it 100% and it can sometimes be distracting.Is no wonder though in a way we are not only concerned with the music but we have to be our own sound engineers! However knowing Rick he is still an ol hippie and like in the old days of all those great 60s bands,perfect clean sounding wasnt much of an issue,and i think he might have inherited that;-) he doesnt let that distract him from what he wants to present,and thats what i love about him,the performance and authencity is still where its at.On the other hand technology has gotten so amazingly good that has turned a lot of artists into "sound snobs". Rick is probably flying up in the sky as we speak,but i will be seeing him soon,we are playing together in Konstanz and he will be crashing at my place,but i am sure he will get you message soon! He promised to show me the Looperlative here so i am really excited about that! cheers Luis --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > > I filmed him and Per in Goteborg and Oslo. > Struggling with tech issues, > > but > > cool nevertheless. > > That's my Rick. ;-) Seriously though, he does an > amazing job of performing > any time that I have seen him. Technical issues > follow him because he is > always evolving and as a result he is always trying > new things. This is one > of the reasons that you can watch him over and over > again because each > performance is different and always entertaining. > > > There is so much to Rick that doesnt > > come across on the list, and ON the list he comes > across as a visionary > > and > > creative magician!!! > > I'll also have to agree with that. > > If anybody sees him on his travels, just let him > know that he's in our > thoughts and we wish him well on the rest of his > trip. > > Bob > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 10:41:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13483BE97; Thu, 22 May 2008 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 06:41:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, Afterglow (again!), and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48354DF2.1050002@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:41:32 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Cycles 6" by Stephen Philips on Dark Duck Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may Become a friend of Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow gets three extra hours from 2:00 to 5:00 pm. Tune in for an afternoon of Progressive Rock. Once again, Bill will be joined by Pinnacle's drummer, Greg Jones. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 24 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 12:18:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8AE3BE93; Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC05.EA25A095" Subject: RE: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:18:13 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DEA6E@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: East Coast Festival of some level Thread-Index: Aci8BefgZBJu/TjgRM+wzoFcSlsqyQ== References: From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2008 12:18:16.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA091020:01C8BC05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC05.EA25A095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I don't have time or energy to help with this, I sent an email to bowerbird, the organization in Philly that does many of the shows at the Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsite/. The Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other venues. I'm really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, since I'm 30 minutes and a world away in Wilmngton.. =20 Philly's scene is VERY active now. =20 Hal Dean =20 From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level =20 Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure.=20 http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html those guys host all kinds of art/music shows. Might be worth checking into. Tony On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz). Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it.=20 Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC05.EA25A095 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Although I don’t have time or energy to help with = this, I sent an email to bowerbird, the organization in Philly that does many of = the shows at the Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsi= te/. The Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other = venues. I’m really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, since = I’m 30 minutes and a world away in Wilmngton..

     

    Philly’s scene is VERY active = now.

     

    Hal Dean

     

    From:= Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some = level

     

    Philly seems to have = a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east = coast adventure.

    http://www.therotunda.= org/foundation.html

    those guys host all kinds of art/music shows.  Might be worth = checking into.

    Tony

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota = <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> = wrote:

    I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, = but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where = would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 = mile (as in Santa Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for = free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience = might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, = etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in = Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)

    There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center = at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic = little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple = of people, but that's about it.

    Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, = which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of = hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's = more interest.

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC05.EA25A095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 13:09:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66E573BE94; Thu, 22 May 2008 13:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=GnNXs6S/K1lAxRwaQLP78ltoTrvI8k8zbEcb7JbC0hY=; b=txB08DYxLrphrO3WHkg51grvCiJBKgbv4nCBRynFNcDsRZ1N4QCZbhBDX3n963q632OoGtSP/f6l07ibl+je87grxUx8BgaWAsNODPSlTQQ+LjSA3m8UE/+knwrQMdNXiqeYdughIBwYaWFDH+0Q6qoXa4TBSyfBdx/RDgD+S+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iwlcaKMi7gVI8Ti+dIM32dErwx3pxahpQcK8G9AbG6CYVnGtPRyLyFillW/jOUOM48KiA4FPYPrNudKBg5zYxwKs0AiHngOOaj77F9ZzYkFga2lkxfySUGp9e+m0S4cToz+uXN5ALt6J+6KAZfL52YfAXVw8v6ShrwKPzow9D+0= Message-ID: <101191640805220609v1ec23696pe7884bd4a46c67f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:09:16 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DEA6E@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9209_22953519.1211461756680" References: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DEA6E@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cd57c7c58eadd4e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:09:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9209_22953519.1211461756680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hal, What kind of email did you send? Are you expecting a response? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Although I don't have time or energy to help with this, I sent an email > to bowerbird, the organization in Philly that does many of the shows at the > Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsite/. The > Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other venues. I'm > really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, since I'm 30 > minutes and a world away in Wilmngton.. > > > > Philly's scene is VERY active now. > > > > *Hal Dean* > > > > *From:* Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: East Coast Festival of some level > > > > Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a > decent venue to hold an east coast adventure. > > http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html > > those guys host all kinds of art/music shows. Might be worth checking > into. > > Tony > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota > wrote: > > I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a > big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? > it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa > Cruz). > > Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free > or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might > provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) > It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in > Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) > > There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a > discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic > little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a > couple of people, but that's about it. > > Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, > which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots > of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to > my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more > interest. > > > ------=_Part_9209_22953519.1211461756680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hal,

    What kind of email did you send? Are you expecting a response?

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> wrote:

    Although I don't have time or energy to help with this, I sent an email to bowerbird, the organization in Philly that does many of the shows at the Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsite/. The Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other venues. I'm really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, since I'm 30 minutes and a world away in Wilmngton..

     

    Philly's scene is VERY active now.

     

    Hal Dean

     

    From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


    Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level

     

    Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure.


    http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html

    those guys host all kinds of art/music shows.  Might be worth checking into.

    Tony

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

    I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)

    There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it.

    Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest.

     


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As the range is defined already by the played fret, it can do that much faster and accurate. Unfortunately the pitch resolution for the bending in some of the playing modes is pretty limited, due to limitations of Midi, they have to play a note, and then pitch bend it...<< stefan- have another look from underneath the bridge. you'll see two sets of wires for each string- one is from the little single-coil pickup that sits just in front of the bridge assembly, while the other seems to come from the base of each individual piece of the bridge; this looks as though it's coming from a little piezo pickup but it's not, it's a strain gauge.=20 another clue is the way the bridge is split (this also guarantees electrical separation between the strings, of course) & mounted so that the part where the string is anchored is actually floating slightly. there is a calibration procedure for the pitch-bend, & the midi data it generates can be scaled by the instrument so that it matches whatever is set in the sound module you are playing. I can't lay my hands on the manual right now- it may be with one of my basses, in which case it's at our rehearsal space some 200 miles from here. but I may have it as a file at home if you need it. there's a mode (possibly only on the cyberbass s/w version, which is fitted to one of my midibases) that uses /midi pitchbend data/ exclusively; the notes are detected the same way, but a legato effect is achieved by using midi pitchbend to change the pitch, rather than send a new note-on. this is their so-called "fretless" mode; I didn't get too far with it, but it did work if the pitchbend value was set correctly in the sound module.=20 it made for an interesting effect if you played a slide up a few semitones (pitchbending the original note) & then retriggered the new note by playing it again; at very least you'd get a timbral jump, but often (with samplers) you'd actually be playing a new sample, perhaps even a completely different sound if your slide went over a key-range boundary. fun fun fun. :-) there was also a "tap" mode that allowed correct tracking of hammer-ons & pull-offs ("pulls-off"?), dispensing altogether with the right-hand data. they were nothing if not ambitious when this bass was in it's heyday. someone should get onto peavey &/or steve chick & have another go at this. d. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:20:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79603BEA6; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:20:31 EDT Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c01.38318794.3566e93f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:20:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c01.38318794.3566e93f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes: > Michael K (Philly) > i have never been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, but "PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at least hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable, too far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought i could get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy.....i therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left high and dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on my deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem with the venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms on the first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout space" and a wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower and enuf floor to sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rustic".....i sort of envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREAT so to say.....the building would be all ours for whatever length of time we wanted it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building has it on the market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this will happen because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is in a very artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be opened INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the month there is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time.....i have played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pretty ideal for what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....as an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join me for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and it's totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 cents.....michael "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) --part1_c01.38318794.3566e93f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Michael K (Philly)


    i have never been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, b= ut "PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at least=20= hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable, too f= ar perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought i could=20= get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy.....i ther= efore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left high and dry=20= with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on my deck, no= t that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem with the venue, a= great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms on the first floor= an equally large second floor as a great "hangout space" and a wonderful th= ird floor with full kitchen, bath with shower and enuf floor to sleep a smal= l army,think major loft abeit "urban rustic".....i sort of envisioned a 2-3=20= day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREAT so to say.....the building would be all= ours for whatever length of time we wanted it......getting back to the prob= lem: the owner of the building has it on the market and it could go at anyti= me.....i sort of doubt that this will happen because he wants big amounts of= scoot for the place.....it is in a very artsy area of the city several bloo= ks down from the about to be opened INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....ev= ery first friday of the month there is an art crawl along the street and it=20= gets bigger each time.....i have played here many times and had a great deal= of fun.....it's pretty ideal for what we would want to do.....i throw this=20= on the table as an option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is t= oo far away for everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini= -fest for those closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congrega= te and meet and live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most i= mportantly it would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you=20= need do.....as an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welco= me to join me for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat th= at and it's totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 cen= ts.....michael



    "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY

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//////////////////////////8BAP7/AwoAAP////8GCQIAAAAAAMAAAAAA AABGHwAAAE1pY3Jvc29mdCBPZmZpY2UgV29yZCBEb2N1bWVudAAKAAAATVNX b3JkRG9jABAAAABXb3JkLkRvY3VtZW50LjgA9DmycQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C2A9A6.462DBD94-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 15:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 661B23BEA9; Thu, 22 May 2008 15:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <7F3B4BDE-7011-4060-80D1-AFCD1579B273@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:53:14 -0600 References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Mark, I see that your piece sold on Ebay already, but if I could I wanted to ask about the "two loops at one time if you set it up correctly" comment. I seem to have heard this before about the DD-20, but what I'm not clear on is whether the "two loops" can be of different length, as in- can I set up a 1 measure percussive guitar rhythm followed by two measures of a chord progression? I'm having deja vu a bit here, maybe I've posted this question before. Hope not. Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:02:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75A4B3BE94; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=TK+SiYrMbFW+vV2/NPEOQtyxI5zq34KwEo1CPS+8Y8k=; b=Apho3CruzsCrWSzgRoHOuboLYm2EKVCXlnsxT8lEohI1F6yQ8vFZH39S9FiGhVk2KXd6FN2KgCIuqgPMNC+t/hy34DHRXOPNaYvBW1HatbNs31kP9ttIISo10ppE98nL/HGbXonPKfm0rApSemV0tDjpl1Uo/c9eb04oKcSaAVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vUsGxCCEMLDk+ufgVD5GJUnsMiXHSiEK/003Wfbhc8df5o6e+YMXruuvnV+OKrVi6UJ658AGqMFgL97Scj9WCI37NPF94lAc1rj1llySo80ZuSkNsKnrv5JqR/pmiKQYXmL6lOZ/ryVStONQ6ulbY90ueB2PWSijDTk4zv1jQW8= Message-ID: <101191640805220902h4aad3289ib2283a7cf9b18ffc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:02:28 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_639_28783201.1211472148531" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9c4822f0a3a81bb5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:02:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_639_28783201.1211472148531 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yeah, my only objection is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, and more or less than for anyone from NY. aside from that, it sounds great. I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read that way. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes: > > > Michael K (Philly) > > > i have never been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, but > "PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at least > hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable, too > far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought i could > get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy.....i > therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left high and > dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on my > deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem with the > venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms on the > first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout space" and a > wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower and enuf floor to > sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rustic".....i sort of > envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREAT so to say.....the > building would be all ours for whatever length of time we wanted > it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building has it on the > market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this will happen > because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is in a very > artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be opened > INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the month there > is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time.....i have > played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pretty ideal for > what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an > option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for > everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those > closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and > live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it > would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....as > an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join me > for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and it's > totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 > cents.....michael > > > > "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" > on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------=_Part_639_28783201.1211472148531 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline yeah, my only objection is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, an= d more or less than for anyone from NY.  aside from that, it sounds gr= eat.

    I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read th= at way.

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

    In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes:


    Michael K (Philly)


    i have never been= called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, but "= PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at = least hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable= , too far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought = i could get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy..= ...i therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left hig= h and dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on = my deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem w= ith the venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms o= n the first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout sp= ace" and a wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower a= nd enuf floor to sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rust= ic".....i sort of envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREA= T so to say.....the building would be all ours for whatever length of time = we wanted it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building ha= s it on the market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this= will happen because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is = in a very artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be o= pened INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the m= onth there is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time...= ..i have played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pr= etty ideal for what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an= option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for e= veryone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those = closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and= live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it = would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....a= s an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join m= e for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and = it's totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 cents= .....michael



    "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY

    new groovy tunes at:
    http://www= .myspace.com/klobuchar10
    www.ct-collectiv= e.com




    **************

    Get trade secrets for amazing bur= gers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
    = (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?v= ideo=3D4&?NCID=3Daolfod00030000000002)

    ------=_Part_639_28783201.1211472148531-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:20:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95F2D3BEC8; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC27.CF2A8FF5" Subject: East Coast Festival / Philadelphia Options Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:20:49 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DEC25@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <101191640805220609v1ec23696pe7884bd4a46c67f7@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: East Coast Festival / Philadelphia Options Thread-Index: Aci8J8xuFfQROptWQ1iV/sIFz066Vw== References: <101191640805220609v1ec23696pe7884bd4a46c67f7@mail.gmail.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2008 16:20:54.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEE28FC0:01C8BC27] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:20:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC27.CF2A8FF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas, I didn't keep the email, or I would just forward it, but the gist of it was that I pasted in one of the first posts and said "This might be something you'd be interested in promoting/ arranging; if so, here is the contact information." Anyone who is seriously interested in pursuing this idea in Philadelphia should contact bowerbird. I imagine a second contact would reinforce that you're serious. =20 Whoever posted that they were hearing a variety of opinion about what is happening in Philadelphia- there really is a LOT. Tremendous homegrown talent on all fronts - Espers are an incredible folk/ electric band, sort of Bert Jansch meets early Krimson; Shot by Shot are a world-class experimental jazz combo... just two examples. As opposed to 10 or 20 years ago, these folks don't have any reason or desire to go to the "big time" in New York. Mind you, the realities of PAYING gigs are no different than elsewhere, a topic that got a lot of attention here awhile back, but there are boatloads of house parties as well as a fair number of small venues. The Ars Nova series is adventurous as all get out and uses a variety of spaces. http://www.arsnovaworkshop.com/. They brought Cecil Taylor to Penn, but they also book people from the NEW fringe. And, as I said, I am just beginning to grasp what is out there as I cast about for folks to play with. I still like good pop music, but don't pay it much attention, so that sector may languish. =20 I think the City has a LOT of under-utilized halls. =20 Surely there are other LD participants in the Delaware Valley. Maybe someone can chip in about all this. =20 Hal Dean =20 =20 From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level =20 Hal,=20 What kind of email did you send? Are you expecting a response? On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: Although I don't have time or energy to help with this, I sent an email to bowerbird, the organization in Philly that does many of the shows at the Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsite/. The Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other venues. I'm really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, since I'm 30 minutes and a world away in Wilmngton.. =20 Philly's scene is VERY active now. =20 Hal Dean =20 From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level =20 Philly seems to have a pretty decent ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure.=20 http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html those guys host all kinds of art/music shows. Might be worth checking into. Tony On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa Cruz). Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away) There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple of people, but that's about it.=20 Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's more interest. =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC27.CF2A8FF5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Alas, I didn’t keep the email, or I would just = forward it, but the gist of it was that I pasted in one of the first posts and said = “This might be something you’d be interested in promoting/ arranging; if = so, here is the contact information.” Anyone who is seriously = interested in pursuing this idea in Philadelphia should contact bowerbird. I imagine a second = contact would reinforce that you’re serious.

     

    Whoever posted that they were hearing a variety of = opinion about what is happening in Philadelphia- there really is a LOT. Tremendous = homegrown talent on all fronts – Espers are an incredible folk/ electric = band, sort of Bert Jansch meets early Krimson; Shot by Shot are a world-class = experimental jazz combo… just two examples. As opposed to 10 or 20 years ago, = these folks don’t have any reason or desire to go to the “big = time” in New York. Mind you, the realities of PAYING gigs are no different = than elsewhere, a topic that got a lot of attention here awhile back, but = there are boatloads of house parties as well as a fair number of small venues. The = Ars Nova series is adventurous as all get out and uses a variety of spaces. = http://www.arsnovaworkshop.com/<= /a>. They brought Cecil Taylor to Penn, but they also book people from the NEW = fringe. And, as I said, I am just beginning to grasp what is out there as I cast = about for folks to play with.  I still like good pop music, but don’t = pay it much attention, so that sector may languish.

     

    I think the City has a LOT of under-utilized = halls.

     

    Surely there are other LD participants in the Delaware = Valley. Maybe someone can chip in about all this.

     

    Hal Dean

     

     

    From:= Warren = Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]
    Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:09 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some = level

     

    Hal,

    What kind of email did you send? Are you expecting a = response?

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Dean, Hal <HDean@wcupa.edu> = wrote:

    Although I don't have = time or energy to help with this, I sent an email to bowerbird, the organization in = Philly that does many of the shows at the Rotunda, to pique their interest. http://www.bowerbird.org/newsite/. The Rotunda would be a great space for the fest, but there are other = venues. I'm really just beginning to tune into all that is happening there, = since I'm 30 minutes and a world away in Wilmngton..

     

    Philly's scene is VERY = active now.

     

    Hal = Dean

     

    From: Tony K [mailto:bigtonyk@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 4:07 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com


    Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some = level

     

    Philly seems to have a pretty decent = ambient scene, so there may be a decent venue to hold an east coast adventure. =


    http://www.therotunda.org/foundation.html

    those guys host all kinds of art/music shows.  Might be worth = checking into.

    Tony

    On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

    I'm always excited by this kind of brainstorming, but the venue thing = is a big issue. Even if we could get a place in NYC, where would people stay? = it's not like there are a lot of cheap motels within 1/2 mile (as in Santa = Cruz).

    Princeton (or any school that can be talked into providing a venue for = free or cheap) sounds like a decent bet - small community, college audience = might provide more attendees from the community than in some other areas, = etc.) It's 1-1/4 hours from nyc by car. (plus, I could stay with my cousins in = Philly and be closer than I am now, which is about 2 hours away)

    There's some possibility that I could get the Warwick Community Center = at a discount, in Warwick, NY, but I have my doubts as to whether our idyllic = little community would be convenient enough to get to. I could put up a couple = of people, but that's about it.

    Mike has talked about wanting to do something in western PA, i believe, = which i don't really think is tenable. But Philly might be a good bet - lots of = hip people, but much, much lower-key and cheaper than ny. I could talk to my cousins there and see if they have any ideas about venues if there's = more interest.

     

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BC27.CF2A8FF5-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 16:26:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83EFF3BED5; Thu, 22 May 2008 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vQLF/eKWtpOucRQGlWzqh4yjkq6Vv67YwqkA/STG6UU=; b=mbUfBYh4zDvOSk+umA7udCnNKe83nySwwYHI2USvL9ApaoLHc5Ai8Z5EDbD5diimzsTqel5WdWgpKfO6KEml0g/XGMXg/dwA5FZLBHCoR2v3qQ/OrBf/QF2yXGyD60sH0N1TatW7qPxzQycaxvm83/4/KVinZHtH4UZekfzc908= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ExgWCKcaG6gNixj2iFQnBfzAseZmGqQ4UMCKTA7zRDqTuwkNyPPMf4m3Gn0rsPk0d4NGan0EIwATAkswdGNbM5aGF8cD5hB+8xtpzhqGkppNy9vq0By+mfXb5Q9YTkV6Oz6vpfiaqAqMO7TBGOwZ0DpLeJESIaHC0m4UFyo3F18= Message-ID: <106611350805220926v79619633xad52b4fcec4bfa7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:26:27 -0400 From: "adam malliet" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <101191640805220902h4aad3289ib2283a7cf9b18ffc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7937_28801981.1211473589360" References: <101191640805220902h4aad3289ib2283a7cf9b18ffc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7937_28801981.1211473589360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I live in Philly and organize events at a space called Circle of Hope, which has hosted 30 or so of the aforementioned Bowerbird shows. I'd be interested in performing and hosting the show, it would be cheap to free. Adam On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > yeah, my only objection is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, and > more or less than for anyone from NY. aside from that, it sounds great. > > I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read that way. > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> Michael K (Philly) >> >> >> i have never been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, >> but "PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at least >> hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable, too >> far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought i could >> get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy.....i >> therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left high and >> dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on my >> deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem with the >> venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms on the >> first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout space" and a >> wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower and enuf floor to >> sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rustic".....i sort of >> envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREAT so to say.....the >> building would be all ours for whatever length of time we wanted >> it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building has it on the >> market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this will happen >> because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is in a very >> artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be opened >> INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the month there >> is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time.....i have >> played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pretty ideal for >> what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an >> option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for >> everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those >> closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and >> live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it >> would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....as >> an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join me >> for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and it's >> totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 >> cents.....michael >> >> >> >> "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY >> >> new groovy tunes at: >> http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 >> www.ct-collective.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" >> on AOL Food. >> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > > ------=_Part_7937_28801981.1211473589360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I live in Philly and organize events at a space called Circle of Hope, whic= h has hosted 30 or so of the aforementioned Bowerbird shows.  I'd = be interested in performing and hosting the show, it would be cheap to free= .

    Adam

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM= , Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesi= gns.com> wrote:
    yeah, my only objection is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, an= d more or less than for anyone from NY.  aside from that, it sounds gr= eat.

    I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read th= at way.

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com>= wrote:

    In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes:


    Michael K (Philly)


    i have never been= called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, but "= PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at = least hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable= , too far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought = i could get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy..= ...i therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left hig= h and dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on = my deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem w= ith the venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms o= n the first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout sp= ace" and a wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower a= nd enuf floor to sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rust= ic".....i sort of envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREA= T so to say.....the building would be all ours for whatever length of time = we wanted it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building ha= s it on the market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this= will happen because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is = in a very artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be o= pened INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the m= onth there is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time...= ..i have played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pr= etty ideal for what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an= option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for e= veryone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those = closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and= live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it = would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....a= s an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join m= e for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and = it's totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 cents= .....michael



    "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY

    new groovy tunes at:
    http://www= .myspace.com/klobuchar10
    www.ct-collectiv= e.com




    **************

    Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "= ;Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
    (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4&?NCI= D=3Daolfod00030000000002)


    ------=_Part_7937_28801981.1211473589360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 17:04:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2793BEC7; Thu, 22 May 2008 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1211475898; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=rXcb6hxSmJ6vLArnzGRUHoc8J1A=; b=mlI/G5LeEO1VG18qR/jHtACGMkyn2YnGsvxm0/MLcH7mhRgM0BXXiaAY4mA0jMBr XoO4bl4/+DHf8m3XCknlKgHhVSgwRbZWcp2Baka5T1IV1cpTsXHeWn5zrnqPk+T4; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3tP-WXk29UgA:10 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=l8X3Qka-jyPnW9wCpWYA:9 a=hQp7Mg3xXVZpGA1aRM8A:7 a=ZBZ36JkXUR-B2sjmERanqmtvVtQA:4 a=lu1bFh1h9rAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01c8bc36$66779cf0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> <7F3B4BDE-7011-4060-80D1-AFCD1579B273@johnfloridis.com> Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:05:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:04:59 +0000 (UTC) John, I love my DD-20 and you can do that and more, there are a couple of great reviews at the LD site http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/bossDD20/bossDD20.html check it out its a way cool pedal. peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "john floridis" To: Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper > Mark, I see that your piece sold on Ebay already, but if I could I > wanted to ask about the "two loops at one time if you set it up > correctly" comment. I seem to have heard this before about the DD-20, > but what I'm not clear on is whether the "two loops" can be of > different length, as in- can I set up a 1 measure percussive guitar > rhythm followed by two measures of a chord progression? > > I'm having deja vu a bit here, maybe I've posted this question > before. Hope not. > > Thanks, > > John > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 7:06 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 17:11:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F276C3BEC1; Thu, 22 May 2008 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 60765 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 22 May 2008 17:11:32 UTC From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: References: <9e0440a60805210930q2e858348gc15ecc5e5199955b@mail.gmail.com> <90757.58780.bm@omp205.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60805211629u62662528ra23e299b689e06b@mail.gmail.com> <00ad01c8bba1$65903ee0$30b0bca0$@net> <7F3B4BDE-7011-4060-80D1-AFCD1579B273@johnfloridis.com> In-Reply-To: <7F3B4BDE-7011-4060-80D1-AFCD1579B273@johnfloridis.com> Subject: RE: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:11:28 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c8bc2e$dfb49350$9f1db9f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: Aci8LB/oYo2m6KyNT82RU2/3AzDUtAAAonuw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I totally think they can be of different length, but to be honest I have not played with it in years other than some basic stuff. I'm pretty much all software now. I think if you do a search on the LD site you'll find something where the exact method is described. Mark -----Original Message----- From: john floridis [mailto:john@johnfloridis.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Mark, I see that your piece sold on Ebay already, but if I could I wanted to ask about the "two loops at one time if you set it up correctly" comment. I seem to have heard this before about the DD-20, but what I'm not clear on is whether the "two loops" can be of different length, as in- can I set up a 1 measure percussive guitar rhythm followed by two measures of a chord progression? I'm having deja vu a bit here, maybe I've posted this question before. Hope not. Thanks, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:04:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596103BEB2; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080522140424.NG9J8.241459.root@fepweb07> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:04:24 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper In-Reply-To: <004801c8bc2e$dfb49350$9f1db9f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Yes, they can definitely be of different length. You can dial them in in milliseconds toi make them whatever length you want= and then store the delay length times in the "banks." This enable you to do one of my favorite "tricks" with the thing: Let's say you want to do a piece that is 96BPM, that handily works out to h= aving delays that are some multiple of 0.625 seconds=20 Set up the banks as follows: 0.625 seconds =3D one beat 2.5 seconds =3D 4 beats 5 seconds =3D 8 beats 10 seconds =3D 16 beats 20 seconds =3D 32 beats As you can see, this even subdividing has some handy musical uses (even if = you only get to have 2 contiguous delay time going at any given time). Just step through the different "timezones" and build yourself a basic blue= s song (if you want) or something more abstract if you prefer. It's is also quite nice that it's stereo. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you = didn=E2=80=99t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. S= ail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore= . Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F18CD3BEC9; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sTSR/mjmsFAyuxQ2gdqYASZYtF8MbKslb+3tejUdCFY=; b=duQp+XOEOCa/0c0+datx2bIamqfxWMGnVywyU5oAyUi91IBNuFTJQ3J91/DAMcyjoKrfCnRRPSe0KjGFH498BmwK0ICdipsdv157LzzbFFlpxR0Vuq2UWDSwlZvhgqXitZBA5kgRTfxkeyoY9Jcsb0Dip2t53/NfCmJmvSrnTl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eKFdTx5X0f2Y7EhlDxqf68fr8yK455U00BOATByQOHoFZTiSs0C87uSXYdbRfmMsBhrdfp/HibaZUYpDeE1LlYURtxpIX9i67Uej2yWURawsRlnMLQ6NrNpze3AwXGzQ5Uzfc4VWrA/ws5iwis1robMu1l10b9OOMWSahRfHO2c= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:09:36 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper In-Reply-To: <20080522140424.NG9J8.241459.root@fepweb07> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <004801c8bc2e$dfb49350$9f1db9f0$@net> <20080522140424.NG9J8.241459.root@fepweb07> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:09:38 +0000 (UTC) And when you do that with two of them, well, *GRIN! Dennis On 5/22/08, tEd (R) kiLLiAn wrote: > Yes, they can definitely be of different length. > > You can dial them in in milliseconds toi make them whatever length you want and then store the delay length times in the "banks." > > This enable you to do one of my favorite "tricks" with the thing: > > Let's say you want to do a piece that is 96BPM, that handily works out to having delays that are some multiple of 0.625 seconds > > Set up the banks as follows: > > 0.625 seconds = one beat > > 2.5 seconds = 4 beats > > 5 seconds = 8 beats > > 10 seconds = 16 beats > > 20 seconds = 32 beats > > As you can see, this even subdividing has some handy musical uses (even if you only get to have 2 contiguous delay time going at any given time). > > Just step through the different "timezones" and build yourself a basic blues song (if you want) or something more abstract if you prefer. > > It's is also quite nice that it's stereo. > > Cheers, > > tEd (R) kiLLiAn > > Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain > > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 18:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 346A73BE97; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080522143439.V7BQ5.243229.root@fepweb07> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:34:39 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Boss DD-20 stereo delay/looper Cc: Dennis Moser In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:34:40 +0000 (UTC) DM, Yeah . . . FWIW at one point I owned and used 3 of the buggers at once. If you dial in numerically-related times on different units the times remain amazingly well synced. Whatever digital "clock" circuit that's in them it must be really quite accurate. Nowdays I only own and use the one . . . for my "mini" looping rig . . . and (like Mark) I use that pretty seldom. One of the stupidest parts of the DD-20 is the fact that the maximum delay time is 23 seconds -- a prime number that's not divisible by much of anything. I can't tell you how many times I thought: "If they'd only made it 24!" What were they thinking? One little tiny second more and you would have a number divisible by all sorts of useful factors (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12) in "whole" numbers too (which says nothing for the fractions of a second possibilities). Oh well . . . Cheers, TK ---- Dennis Moser wrote: > And when you do that with two of them, well, *GRIN! > > Dennis > > On 5/22/08, tEd (R) kiLLiAn wrote: > > Yes, they can definitely be of different length. > > > > You can dial them in in milliseconds toi make them whatever length you want and then store the delay length times in the "banks." > > > > This enable you to do one of my favorite "tricks" with the thing: > > > > Let's say you want to do a piece that is 96BPM, that handily works out to having delays that are some multiple of 0.625 seconds > > > > Set up the banks as follows: > > > > 0.625 seconds = one beat > > > > 2.5 seconds = 4 beats > > > > 5 seconds = 8 beats > > > > 10 seconds = 16 beats > > > > 20 seconds = 32 beats > > > > As you can see, this even subdividing has some handy musical uses (even if you only get to have 2 contiguous delay time going at any given time). > > > > Just step through the different "timezones" and build yourself a basic blues song (if you want) or something more abstract if you prefer. > > > > It's is also quite nice that it's stereo. > > > > Cheers, > > > > tEd (R) kiLLiAn > > > > Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain > > > > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 > > > > > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 22:54:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009C03BE8C; Thu, 22 May 2008 22:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DqztIbzQocuUvExbXFUPmsR17Moo85os2PsIc5ibQbA=; b=MSLFtnRx58Lx1DggE68ert7LaXZW4b6/ktf9HHAwKAMqznuCKEf1mj/AvFT1xrHRtPxctZWDHKA2/uh1c6NyGLPRcE0sCaULtJTdLgTUa31QKZz6A0wYDNreJmA/xa/kCGne557nabo97wjCtrkXjVOgqWYVo6gDa8P0F9Vy8R0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=yEjOB7yVkBO/EKRL2gGvagVOIhiuCkoGtl69NjAowJj+KlJWzZYs723NTUibH57bB0NGrS7e0Es5mKgS9Qt+s+cyG8mZKUXiznxPRhzbZuk7U4eEUK3g6X9q5UyPyxcaSiuv3K9xKkgghZPfbKUMlRPUJVXYosyjNK1v3c5ANMs= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805221554q49b33509v9886619ffed2a61b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:54:05 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <106611350805220926v79619633xad52b4fcec4bfa7e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3523_1519272.1211496845488" References: <101191640805220902h4aad3289ib2283a7cf9b18ffc@mail.gmail.com> <106611350805220926v79619633xad52b4fcec4bfa7e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2tHh1.A.XiH.PmfNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:54:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3523_1519272.1211496845488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm just getting back to this but really glad to see lots of thinking going on here. last time we tried to get a thread going it just sort of petered out but sounds like we got lots of energy and possibilties for an east coast event coming to be. As some of you know list member Daryl Shawn and I have a duo together called Chinapainting that has grown from NinJam to live in person now several times. We're joing together again this summer here in the east in and around his solo tour to do a few CP shows in NY and surrounding. one of the pitches that I put out here in NY was Roulette which is a main stay experimental supporting organization. As it's turned out we missed their window for this summer but are in their graces for the future. While I had their ear I ran a pitch to my contact about the possibility of an east coast experimental music fest and would they be open to hosting. Got a note back last night was opening to keeping them posted as we made progress on this. I said we were in early discussions of orchestrating a festival so putting Roulette in the hat as a possibility. Doing it in NY would have + and -, very visible but I'm still a fan for more in the surrounding states as it feels like it might reach a wider audience though mabye a tougher sell. A bit premature maybe but what about setting up an East Coast Experimental Music Festival or whatever we choose to call it, My Space page with the idea of advance promotion as we go on this as well as gaining interest, maybe that in itself mgiht lead to a host. What do you think? Rick Walker hope you are seeing this thread from somewhere as there's good energy happening here... Jim On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM, adam malliet wrote: > I live in Philly and organize events at a space called Circle of Hope, > which has hosted 30 or so of the aforementioned Bowerbird shows. I'd be > interested in performing and hosting the show, it would be cheap to free. > > Adam > > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Warren Sirota > wrote: > >> yeah, my only objection is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, and >> more or less than for anyone from NY. aside from that, it sounds great. >> >> I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read that way. >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> In a message dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>> Michael K (Philly) >>> >>> >>> i have never been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, >>> but "PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place (at least >>> hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not tenable, too >>> far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thought i could >>> get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit iffy.....i >>> therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left high and >>> dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing on my >>> deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main problem with the >>> venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected rooms on the >>> first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangout space" and a >>> wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with shower and enuf floor to >>> sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban rustic".....i sort of >>> envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RETREAT so to say.....the >>> building would be all ours for whatever length of time we wanted >>> it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the building has it on the >>> market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that this will happen >>> because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it is in a very >>> artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to be opened >>> INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of the month there >>> is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each time.....i have >>> played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it's pretty ideal for >>> what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table as an >>> option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away for >>> everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for those >>> closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet and >>> live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly it >>> would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do.....as >>> an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to join me >>> for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that and it's >>> totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 >>> cents.....michael >>> >>> >>> >>> "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY >>> >>> new groovy tunes at: >>> http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 >>> www.ct-collective.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************** >>> Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler >>> Florence" on AOL Food. >>> (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >> >> >> > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_3523_1519272.1211496845488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
    I'm just getting back to this but really glad to see lots of think= ing going on here.  last time we tried to get a thread going it just s= ort of petered out but sounds like we got lots of energy and possibilties f= or an east coast event coming to be.
     
    As some of you know list member Daryl Shawn and I have a duo together = called Chinapainting<= /a> that has grown from NinJam to live in person now several times.  W= e're joing together again this summer here in the east in and around hi= s solo tour to do a few CP shows in NY and surrounding.  one of the pi= tches that I put out here in NY was Roulette which is a main stay experimen= tal supporting organization.  As it's turned out we missed their w= indow for this summer but are in their graces for the future.  While I= had their ear I ran a pitch to my contact about the possibility of an east= coast experimental music fest and would they be open to hosting.  Got= a note back last night was opening to keeping them posted as we made progr= ess on this.  I said we were in early discussions of orchestrating a f= estival so putting Roulette in the hat= as a possibility.  Doing it in NY would have + and -, very visible bu= t I'm still a fan for more in the surrounding states as it feels like i= t might reach a wider audience though mabye a tougher sell.
     
    A bit premature maybe but what about setting up an East Coast Experime= ntal Music Festival or whatever we choose to call it, My Space page with th= e idea of advance promotion as we go on this as well as gaining interest, m= aybe that in itself mgiht lead to a host.  What do you think?
     
    Rick Walker hope you are seeing this thread from somewhere as there= 9;s good energy happening here...
     
    Jim
     
     
     


     
    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM, adam malliet &= lt;malliet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I live in Philly and organize ev= ents at a space called Circle of Hope, which has hosted 30 or so of the afo= rementioned Bowerbird shows.  I'd be interested in performing and = hosting the show, it would be cheap to free.

    Adam    =20


    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Warren Sirota = <wsirota@wsde= signs.com> wrote:
    yeah, my only object= ion is the distance. it's a 6-hour drive for me, and more or less than = for anyone from NY.  aside from that, it sounds great.

    I didn't call you Philly, tho i suppose it could be read that way. =

    On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrot= e:

    In a mess= age dated 5/21/08 3:15:03 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes:


    Michael K (Philly)


    i have never = been called "PHILLY".....num-nutz, big nut, goofball, yes, but &q= uot;PHILLY" never.....:).....actually, i'm in a much better place = (at least hockey wise) PITTSBURGH.....i believe warren said PGH was not ten= able, too far perhaps?.....rick did ask me to host the Y2K8 here and i thou= ght i could get it together but the venue i had and still have was a bit if= fy.....i therefore backed out of the Y2K8 because i did not want to be left= high and dry with several hundred loopers crashing at my house and playing= on my deck, not that i wouldn't like this, mind you.....the main probl= em with the venue, a great big old building with 2 very large connected roo= ms on the first floor an equally large second floor as a great "hangou= t space" and a wonderful third floor with full kitchen, bath with show= er and enuf floor to sleep a small army,think major loft abeit "urban = rustic".....i sort of envisioned a 2-3 day non stop hoedown, a LOOP RE= TREAT so to say.....the building would be all ours for whatever length of t= ime we wanted it......getting back to the problem: the owner of the buildin= g has it on the market and it could go at anytime.....i sort of doubt that = this will happen because he wants big amounts of scoot for the place.....it= is in a very artsy area of the city several blooks down from the about to = be opened INTERNATIONAL CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL.....every first friday of t= he month there is an art crawl along the street and it gets bigger each tim= e.....i have played here many times and had a great deal of fun.....it'= s pretty ideal for what we would want to do.....i throw this on the table a= s an option.....either for an east coast fest and if this is too far away f= or everyone then i would offer it as a place for a smaller mini-fest for th= ose closer to the BURG.....it would be a great place to congregate and meet= and live together for a few days, loop our brains out and most importantly= it would cost us $0.00.....get here and BYO FOOD etc. is all you need do..= ...as an open invite to anyone near PITTSBURGH you are always welcome to jo= in me for the FIRST FRIDAY GIG, built in audiance, you can't beat that = and it's totally informal, do what you want!.....so there ya be, my 2 c= ents.....michael



    "one man, one oat!" OAT WILLY

    new groovy tunes= at:
    ht= tp://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
    www.ct-collective.com




    **************=20

    Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Ty= ler Florence" on AOL Food.
    (= http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=3D4&?NCID=3Daolfod000300000000= 02)





    --
    The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin -= http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
    MySpace (solo) -     http://w= ww.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
    Chinapainting -
    http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    Chinapa= inting on My Space -
    http://www.myspac= e.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
    The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 oth= er creative souls - http://www.= woodandwiremusic.com
    Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://= www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by M= el Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.me= lbay.com=20 ------=_Part_3523_1519272.1211496845488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 22 23:50:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4D73BE93; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2443 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 22 May 2008 23:50:52 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080522225408.D36613BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080522225408.D36613BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <993AECF0-46EF-485F-9F56-9CD1FC396293@batterycage.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: tyler newman Subject: FS: Lexicon JamMan Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:10:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 23:50:52 +0000 (UTC) hi- so, i'm selling my Lexicon JamMan since i rarely ever use it. it has the 32 second memory expander installed already, and is in very nice shape. i only used it for one project, and it's never left the studio since i bought it. works and sounds great! if you're interested, make me an offer. i'd like to get 300$ for it, since that seems to be a reasonable rate on ebay...and is less than what i paid for the unit plus memory upgrade. i can take paypal...and you can check out my ebay rating if you're concerned (username = batterycage). thanks! - tyler / battery cage ================= www.batterycage.com From do-not-reply@eppicard.com Fri May 23 01:46:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 907 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 23 May 2008 01:46:05 UTC Received: from edu-software.com (ip67-91-58-163.z58-91-67.customer.algx.net [67.91.58.163]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985193BE8B for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 01:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [72.17.247.38] by edu-software.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.21) id AE4D03A0; Thu, 22 May 2008 21:30:53 -0400 From: "EPPICard Online Department" Subject: EPPICard - Account closure notice Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 21:30:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200805222130703.SM07192@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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Sadly, technical problems abounded, and in fact the local participants were entirely shut out, including Rainer, our dauntless organizer. Noooo! Still, music was made. My slot was to have been with Rainer, Jaako Huotari and Stephen Goodman, but only Stephen was able to join me. We managed to make a lot of interesting noise, though (and I do mean noise...Stephen, how were you creating that fantastically heinous feedback?). My contribution was a little disjointed as I was spending a fair amount of time typing in the chat window, trying to figure out who was joining when and giving advice on Ninjam as I'm somewhat of an old hand by now. Still a great time, though. Here's an excerpt from the end of our set, when we seemed to hit our (grooveless) groove. http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn_excerpt.mp3 And here's the full 30-minute set (which starts from the end of the set with 3Pups & Dennis Moser, then a long section fooling around on my own while Stephen was setting up on short notice...sorry Dennis, I couldn't find anything from you after the intro...): http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn.mp3 Looking forward to taking part in BEMF! I love Ninjamming... 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PLEASE EMAIL YOUR REPLY HERE : doctor_mcmoris@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent from a SinglePoint Office http://singlepointnetworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 11:05:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8403BE98; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 687 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:05:05 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kWstFwb1IN5xYgNdgGwvdSHlFDQJ+jp7uHGUknCiB0ao7mUYZ9A4sgDgll3EuGas; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: Cara Quinn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v922.1) Subject: Quick Looperlative question Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:53:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.922.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c260918c3ff316b22cc2a0583884a02b39891350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.94.193.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, my apologies here, for what has undoubtedly been done to =20 death. lol! I've tried searching the archives and Googled like crazy =20= but can find nothing definitive on this. I'm simply wondering: =95 is there a current / complete feature list someone can point me to, =20= for the Looperlative? =95 can the Looperlative redefine a loop length to any arbitrary length =20= after its creation? =95 Does the current Upgrade offer time stretching / pitch variance? (as = =20 with the Repeater) Thanks so very much for any assistance! Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 12:10:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA5853BE99; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080523071038.yjpdcjd28k00oo8g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 07:10:38 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} DomainKey-Status: no signature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Cara Quinn : > Hey All, my apologies here, for what has undoubtedly been done to > death. lol! I've tried searching the archives and Googled like crazy > but can find nothing definitive on this. > > I'm simply wondering: > > =E2=80=A2 is there a current / complete feature list someone can point me = =20 > to, for the Looperlative? > There is a user's manual for download at the Looperlative site -- =20 however I'm not sure if it is up to date. I am sure that my manual is =20 out of date -- and I've pencilled in a lot of notes. > > =E2=80=A2 can the Looperlative redefine a loop length to any arbitrary = =20 > length after its creation? > The only way I know to do that would be with the bounce function -- =20 that is, you would copy a loop to another track and you can specify =20 the endpoint. > > =E2=80=A2 Does the current Upgrade offer time stretching / pitch variance?= =20 > (as with the Repeater) > I've never used a repeater... the LP1 has a pitch function that can be =20 assigned to a controller. The function allows the pitch to be =20 transposed down as much as one octave. To transpose up, one must set =20 the pitch to the low position, record, and then set the pitch to the =20 high position. > > Thanks so very much for any assistance! > You're welcome, Cara. Good to hear from you. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 12:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8493BEAE; Fri, 23 May 2008 12:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04A4FFC51D364E319DC94C0DE5834AE7@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20080522225408.D36613BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> <993AECF0-46EF-485F-9F56-9CD1FC396293@batterycage.com> <48369621.1000409@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Finloop Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:30:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:30:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Daryl Shawn" > We managed to make a lot of interesting noise, though (and I do mean > noise...Stephen, how were you creating that fantastically heinous > feedback?). I didn't actually create THAT. My motherboard's audio subsystem went insane as well as the clock-calendar module - not enough of a failure to prevent computer use, but the sound that you folks heard from me is most certainly NOT what I was hearing here. When I hear the sound the module's putting out it's fine, but if you record it with say Cool Edit (or anything else), one gets an ultra-flanged, mono version. Un-friggin-acceptable! Thank God that I'm about to build a new machine for a friend of mine, so the replacement of the Gigabyte mobo is less than convenient, but not impossible to resolve today. Bah! Not sure I like Gigabyte mobos after I've had two of them go to Mordor within a month of purchase... > http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn_excerpt.mp3 > > And here's the full 30-minute set (which starts from the end of the set > with 3Pups & Dennis Moser, then a long section fooling around on my own > while Stephen was setting up on short notice...sorry Dennis, I couldn't > find anything from you after the intro...): > > http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn.mp3 > > Looking forward to taking part in BEMF! I love Ninjamming... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 13:14:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A37F93BEAE; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <211B02DCE4784B93BE7BC7C911B91884@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:14:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: <1uuEiD.A.boE.iMsNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Is the Mighty Taco still doing their fine work in Buffalo? I was on several road trips from Syracuse in the late 70s to ostensibly get Buffalo Wings but was far more delighted with that new (well, new to ME at the time) delicacy the Burrito. Like many things in life the Mighty Taco's sumptuous fare prepared me well for a life in LA some years later. I'm sniffing round Second Life this weekend and will install it when I get the new mobo installed today... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level > Funny you should mention Princeton ...no, we didn't do it there. We > did it in Buffalo, NY. However... > > My friend at Princeton is interested in putting together some unique > opportunities that would utilize the work we have done in Second Life > ... which would include live audio/video streaming and Real Life > performances. > > Let's keep the conversation flowing ... it definitely has some great > possibilities. > > Dennis > > > > On 5/21/08, Jim Goodin wrote: >> Dennis I feel like the cryer of wolf but have been thinking about this >> partly inspired by having been at Loopfest last year and partly by >> Krispen's >> energy/success with the Boise fest which I"m going to be part of via the >> Kyber world and very jazzed about that. >> >> It has led me to think though about helping getting something going in >> the >> northeast neck of the woods. This is easy to talk about but hard to get >> to >> come to be. I'd like to get behind getting a festival together out here >> but >> can't do it totally on my own energy/or dime. The most clear obstacle is >> finding a host venue which I'm game to start exploring seeking. Did you >> do >> your mini one at Princeton? >> >> Anyhow I'd like to open up this kettle of fish again and hope that it >> might >> come to be. Ideas? Thoughts? >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >> >> > East Coast Loopfest? Did someone say "Festival"? Where? When? >> > >> > A couple of us did manage to get together last November ... i guess >> > you could call it a "mini-Festival" ... >> > >> > Dennis > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 13:22:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694633BEAF; Fri, 23 May 2008 13:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Further Thoughts on Online Jamming Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:21:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:22:05 +0000 (UTC) After all was done last night my brain did its usual thing and pestered me with thoughts on innovations past what we did last night on NinJam and Finloop. What if we had, say, four of us participating in such a thing, while each player had a camera on them? Someone could mix the video so that it was in four quadrants, for instance, the sound being the final mix anyway. Also in my thoughts are possible play and show gigs where not just audio but vid is presented in an online jam. This is eventually coming for sure but is it possible yet? I suspect this is a separate-video-later-merged-with-sound thing until we refine the process a bit more. S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 14:57:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3BF3BE97; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4836DB43.7060004@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:57:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finloop References: <20080522225408.D36613BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> <993AECF0-46EF-485F-9F56-9CD1FC396293@batterycage.com> <48369621.1000409@mhorse.com> <04A4FFC51D364E319DC94C0DE5834AE7@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <04A4FFC51D364E319DC94C0DE5834AE7@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Well, well. I never in my geeky life have heard motherboard feedback before. I thought it was really cool!!! We must harness this technology!! Stephen, feel free to remix according to what we were /supposed /to hear. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > We managed to make a lot of interesting noise, though (and I do mean > noise...Stephen, how were you creating that fantastically heinous > feedback?). > > I didn't actually create THAT. My motherboard's audio subsystem went > insane as well as the clock-calendar module - not enough of a failure > to prevent computer use, but the sound that you folks heard from me is > most certainly NOT what I was hearing here. When I hear the sound the > module's putting out it's fine, but if you record it with say Cool > Edit (or anything else), one gets an ultra-flanged, mono version. > Un-friggin-acceptable! Thank God that I'm about to build a new > machine for a friend of mine, so the replacement of the Gigabyte mobo > is less than convenient, but not impossible to resolve today. Bah! > Not sure I like Gigabyte mobos after I've had two of them go to Mordor > within a month of purchase... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 14:57:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7915F3BEB2; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8BCE5.5EBEC909" Subject: RE: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823080DEE5E@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <106611350805220926v79619633xad52b4fcec4bfa7e@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: East Coast Festival of some level Thread-Index: Aci85Vt167ZUoT6HTxOKqCKln91WAw== References: <106611350805220926v79619633xad52b4fcec4bfa7e@mail.gmail.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: "adam malliet" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2008 14:57:50.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EF31220:01C8BCE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BCE5.5EBEC909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam- This sounds like a really good option. What fun it would be for this to happen in Philadelphia. I'm really glad to see someone from the city step up. =20 Hal Dean **trimmed posts save energy** From: adam malliet [mailto:malliet@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level =20 I live in Philly and organize events at a space called Circle of Hope, which has hosted 30 or so of the aforementioned Bowerbird shows. I'd be interested in performing and hosting the show, it would be cheap to free. Adam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BCE5.5EBEC909 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Adam- This sounds like a really good option. What fun it = would be for this to happen in Philadelphia. I’m really glad to see = someone from the city step up.

     

    Hal Dean

    **trimmed posts save energy**

    From:= adam = malliet [mailto:malliet@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:26 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some = level

     

    I live in Philly and = organize events at a space called Circle of Hope, which has hosted 30 or so of = the aforementioned Bowerbird shows.  I'd be interested in performing = and hosting the show, it would be cheap to free.

    Adam

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8BCE5.5EBEC909-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 14:59:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC7E83BEA9; Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3wxRo+JrCcpTgluQwB6cYhU7LkYWcMGGOWcdYAysYpU=; b=o6sfJbmlcD902j/Gism7XQFWYk17tr/OpKdb44P8MbJJ8Ynm//SCiwz05NXCRr2gX/8ayxA5m7sJ/LfyYUdjK/HB5ptL6vx9Q6Lgmhyv9Ks7Z3VdDOD2b1SqtsGp/NsXBXE/fHw9y/gg5nddDVvc/5Es0PZaSgyJmfAicRir7ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oIwfGMuS3nScOVN49RJfHmrSvSDfUZtp4/m0si9O5jwB1gptNMug2V5ho0ExYLkOH1i25nasInVTrhoNrVe1KpcTqSaS2gHBvgwURBWnTyLdWGsbFIQdKYnhVBmOQm6LPfEXqfaYO3wtaJ+5Lex0OoRgqpcfe0vj6rlTmy3E7cY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:59:09 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finloop In-Reply-To: <48369621.1000409@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080522225408.D36613BE98@arsenic.violacea.com> <993AECF0-46EF-485F-9F56-9CD1FC396293@batterycage.com> <48369621.1000409@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:59:14 +0000 (UTC) By the time you were starting to play, my window to perform was closing and I had to log off ... so, no, there wasn't much there on your recording aside from the synth washes at the beginning. But thanks ... I think I did wind up with a recording after all (thought I saw it last night but had my hands full doing some file transfers to get ready fro a performance next week), so will look this evening. ~~D. On 5/23/08, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I've posted a couple clips from my Finloop Kybermusik set from yesterday. > Sadly, technical problems abounded, and in fact the local participants were > entirely shut out, including Rainer, our dauntless organizer. Noooo! Still, > music was made. My slot was to have been with Rainer, Jaako Huotari and > Stephen Goodman, but only Stephen was able to join me. We managed to make a > lot of interesting noise, though (and I do mean noise...Stephen, how were > you creating that fantastically heinous feedback?). My contribution was a > little disjointed as I was spending a fair amount of time typing in the chat > window, trying to figure out who was joining when and giving advice on > Ninjam as I'm somewhat of an old hand by now. Still a great time, though. > Here's an excerpt from the end of our set, when we seemed to hit our > (grooveless) groove. > > http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn_excerpt.mp3 > > And here's the full 30-minute set (which starts from the end of the set > with 3Pups & Dennis Moser, then a long section fooling around on my own > while Stephen was setting up on short notice...sorry Dennis, I couldn't find > anything from you after the intro...): > > http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn.mp3 > > Looking forward to taking part in BEMF! I love Ninjamming... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 16:57:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85393BEA0; Fri, 23 May 2008 16:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:57:17 EDT Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1211561837" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:57:24 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1211561837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mighty Taco is still alive and well in Buffalo. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 17:16:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61C2B3BEB2; Fri, 23 May 2008 17:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=HJTFlpLJA0n1XWETVyDzV4SdWrnxAUIcq44149Ql1HI=; b=Pu+cLuJUZRhaXAErfDzPzYYY/xviJVtD6iaI+6SQSSakWm2WqPTJCa+TdIh5dyY5NhVwM7UIC9e6mXb5Benlzkj/WGOpFJ8D2YIUgjQLMr8y4ktUfxLHuWM6ELhHwbvZ5voBt7OMp5fT+IWgopsNxiLWmRKsvdKfaiXNzR/nWus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kTj2DC4U5wUCkqap+nLddpa5oqx4vGe3fij6u+2ZqtcFin+i8WgAik4rz6NVq3Fc6s7sG8PcBBSVRst3yaK+n2psv3c8j973IR5bGrvNdYiS6P23XEEfZ8lS5gbvgV09fyumb07dViT1JJcVzO2V63Gc5ObV5AVeBa80f6pwrvU= Message-ID: <101191640805231016w4bcea585u552e3acfb0c6e2dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:16:24 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4553_16514857.1211562984675" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 951323cd84d2af3e Resent-Message-ID: <8QRpJD.A.PdB.qvvNIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:16:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4553_16514857.1211562984675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just what I can do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. I can do web-based programming or host a page or mp3s on my web site, or get a fresh one for cheap and do it there, for instance. or writing, or probably some other things. ------=_Part_4553_16514857.1211562984675 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just what I can do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. I can do web-based programming or host a page or mp3s on my web site, or get a fresh one for cheap and do it there, for instance. or writing, or probably some other things.
    ------=_Part_4553_16514857.1211562984675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 17:39:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52F873BEA4; Fri, 23 May 2008 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprynet.com; b=b0cC+UvDwVsWAHdbMDBJ5D7b5LhH088eB5SaoHpNpe77VxJbxE0pL9EAER3//p30; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9250500.1211564396266.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: bradley_g_smith@sprynet.com Reply-To: bradley_g_smith@sprynet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Finloop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 5845cf3728b4ed5d1745d4e921052fe1faef81d128501e5d3f4eb1047b54a122e4903536cb3e20545dc3d22c8f446dbe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC) My partner John Hughes and I had a nice time chatting with Dennis Moser and Niklas Kristianssen and others and then streaming the performance. We were happy to be part of it. We (3 Pups Music) had an initial streaming difficulty and when that was corrected we had a nice performance, though afterwards we apologized to Dennis and Niklas for overplaying. Also Niklas mentioned there were some tech difficulties with the streaming for Niklas and his partner. Sincerely, Brad Smith Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:02:09 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: Stephen Goodman Subject: Finloop Message-ID: <48369621.1000409@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted a couple clips from my Finloop Kybermusik set from yesterday. Sadly, technical problems abounded, and in fact the local participants were entirely shut out, including Rainer, our dauntless organizer. Noooo! Still, music was made. My slot was to have been with Rainer, Jaako Huotari and Stephen Goodman, but only Stephen was able to join me. We managed to make a lot of interesting noise, though (and I do mean noise...Stephen, how were you creating that fantastically heinous feedback?). My contribution was a little disjointed as I was spending a fair amount of time typing in the chat window, trying to figure out who was joining when and giving advice on Ninjam as I'm somewhat of an old hand by now. Still a great time, though. Here's an excerpt from the end of our set, when we seemed to hit our (grooveless) groove. http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn_excerpt.mp3 And here's the full 30-minute set (which starts from the end of the set with 3Pups & Dennis Moser, then a long section fooling around on my own while Stephen was setting up on short notice...sorry Dennis, I couldn't find anything from you after the intro...): http://www.swanwelder.com/audio/finloop_stephen_goodman__daryl_shawn.mp3 Looking forward to taking part in BEMF! I love Ninjamming... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 17:57:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8AC13BEBA; Fri, 23 May 2008 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c8bcfe$855ba530$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <211B02DCE4784B93BE7BC7C911B91884@eluk1> Subject: finloop mp3 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:57:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/WCC3Ikmrsngbq1yVICLkVcE65Bv5IehOYGTG VZfURo4fzLzonfGdlbzt35cXyZnQeNYJ6bVARegfpUlPCjXHly IwGRB2jaKdWzI47sDJzIfZwqfF403/X Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) hi there - i played with stefan tiedjen, rick and per and more in the slot 20:45-21:30. i would like to hear how it was. is there any way i could get an mp3 of our set? it was interesting and fun to play! some really nice interaction happened. thanx - tilmann dehnhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 19:11:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05113BEB2; Fri, 23 May 2008 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080523191154305.4A84BA002DB5@mwinf2b13.orange.fr Message-ID: <483716FA.2000706@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:11:54 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Further Thoughts on Online Jamming References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman schrieb: > What if we had, say, four of us participating in such a thing, while > each player had a camera on them? Someone could mix the video so that > it was in four quadrants, for instance, the sound being the final mix > anyway. Oh yes, I had actually a camera there, but was too busy and finally forgot to push the record button. But the audio recording in Berlin should have worked. I didn't had time to listen to it, had been all day on the train to Paris... > Also in my thoughts are possible play and show gigs where not just audio > but vid is presented in an online jam. This is eventually coming for > sure but is it possible yet? Its a matter of bandwidth, video will eat more than you want to... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 19:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A4AA3BEBE; Fri, 23 May 2008 19:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080523192028105.19A868000094@mwinf2811.orange.fr Message-ID: <483718FB.3010702@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:20:27 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: finloop mp3 References: <9e0440a60805211012j5f76795bmc9ecc5c8f7ff6534@mail.gmail.com> <211B02DCE4784B93BE7BC7C911B91884@eluk1> <002401c8bcfe$855ba530$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <002401c8bcfe$855ba530$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Tilmann Dehnhard schrieb: > hi there - i played with stefan tiedjen, rick and per and more in the > slot 20:45-21:30. > i would like to hear how it was. > is there any way i could get an mp3 of our set? > > it was interesting and fun to play! some really nice interaction happened. Yes, I'd like to know if we have been heard at all in the finloop venue... As mentioned before, none of the local musicians got sound onto the Ninjam server, but there was enough from Rick and Per to treat with my Ondes Memorielles. We ended up getting quite dense textures... We had a great party at Tilmanns place, and jammed a bit more after the NinJam session all together... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 20:05:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26E13BEA4; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=ecI4Fbf+qF25CqfJN4dT0G9Q6j+C3r69AklRu0qrmKI=; b=Pob7tHKjd6NMpvYm+J/4naffTFMhDmmEZ7oNuNxMTVmiC31U2wfXzd+RxS1WxVhCQd3pTGZHJa2HOvDWag7rEQi3ddbSllmXObPSW15H3NlrpBEhYpOC5W+dEhRP4eq9c75XWV+PLVgRUZubmQpLFPACshcWhNAyXTNoQKr4Lr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=Yonsf7ZxmlzDyu7QkN3LXOc4NdDQRt0cxiwSTPywHuL9S10aM+Eh+ow4EGOvZPZwOPm+Ja/Hs4hqKUEndMKPCE5G4CwU6EQJOwDAsBde34ThdgRERIaM1gjTacHHZJORqq2LRLEOuVN3xNz0wjPGM8OndtnyzEF8ZRubRhigB9M= Message-Id: <7A188B2C-E626-4EBC-904D-8C26173EA7EB@gmail.com> From: David Hayes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4499A8B0-15D9-4C39-B09E-A833AF32196F@mikecrain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Best foot controller for Ableton? -- Wireless Pedal Operated Keyboard Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:05:11 -0700 References: <20080522014257.CA7EA3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> <4499A8B0-15D9-4C39-B09E-A833AF32196F@mikecrain.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:05:07 +0000 (UTC) This has to be one of my favorite pieces of gear: http://www.x-tempozone.com/ It's a wireless "POK" (Pedal Operated Keyboard) and it completely simplified my set up. Because it's so much easier to work with then translating MIDI to keystrokes I am able to easily experiment with different ways of doing things. It just simplified things. Basically, it's been a dream----dependable, effortless, and solved a lot of problems for me, including moving to and from different "instrument stations" without pesky cables. It's solid and the foot presses feel right. Not cheap but WELL worth it in time saved and that less definable quality of satisfaction in terms of how it feels to work now. MIDI has it's place, but why bother with ridged, complicated schemes when you can go straight to keystrokes and move everything around in seconds? Best of luck! PS, maybe use your boomerang AND Ableton... fun, yes? From stellasigcau00011@yahoo.co.in Fri May 23 20:35:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 345 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:35:01 UTC Received: from n2a.bullet.mail.in2.yahoo.com (n2a.bullet.mail.in2.yahoo.com [203.104.19.40]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD9493BE95 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 20:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [202.86.4.171] by n2.bullet.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 May 2008 04:24:14 -0000 Received: from [203.104.18.50] by t2.bullet.in.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 20:29:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp111.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 May 2008 20:29:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 505007.80586.bm@omp111.mail.in2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 87256 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2008 20:29:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.in; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eqnl2MG7hcVTe7CLdX3/mnnUiYzNVXQU0aRI57aV5qOenI15nf6PYE2hLykA4hc9Dbr0LuoLB0UCfjtp8adl67cCQpH/Y5px+vyLZIgzytZHG1ZzNm3UdXpUkYyeE9PtMYp6Zh6Bf3tOrX+uP+7wa6xm+vwx4ReA3s48yCyXpo4=; Received: from [41.210.29.158] by web94115.mail.in2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:29:13 BST Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:29:13 +0100 (BST) From: Stella Sigcau Reply-To: stellasigcau20000@live.com Subject: HELLO DEAR To: bowboy529@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-899308120-1211574553=:86908" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <246676.86908.qm@web94115.mail.in2.yahoo.com> --0-899308120-1211574553=:86908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Dear, My name is Stella Sigcau, the elder daughter of Mr. Zac sigcau of Zimbabwe, I am 17 years old with my younger brother (Micheal), we are in Ghana as refuge/asylum since we lost our parents because of the recent war that occurred in our country.please do go through this web page for better understanding with full details: http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0418/zimbabwe.html I got your esteem contact and particulars out of desperate search for a business minded personality in your country, who will honestly assist my younger brother and I to realize our inherited funds into your account and as well as invest it into a lucrative business. 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However with the benefit of hindsight, owing to the looming but deteriorating crisis in my country, Zimbabwe, my father, before his unfortunate death deposited with International Commercial Bank (ICB) here in Accra Ghana the sum of US$ 35MUsd (Thirty Five Million United States Dollars), with the sole aim of acquiring and buying some dredging equipments in setting up of a dredging firm with his partner. With his death and all his assets seized at home and accounts frozen, the family is now in a very difficult situation. After the death of my father, my brother and I escaped to the Republic of Ghana where he had deposited the money in the Bank . And we were permitted to reside here as Political Refugees. So Because of our present and unpleasant status here we decided to contact an overseas firm / individual that can assist us to move this money out Of Ghana because, as asylum seekers, we are not allowed to operate any financial transaction of such amount within Ghana and also to assist in providing me and my brother a permanent residential permit in your country after the money must have been transferred to your account. We have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum for your assistance, and the rest will be for my brother and I, to Invest in your country under your assistant All I want you to do is to furnish me with the below information including your readiness to assist me achieve this transaction for investment purposes in your country under your supervision. Kindly re-confirm to me the followings: 1) Your Full Name: 2) Phone, Fax and Mobile 3) Profession, Age and Marital Status. 4) Nationality I have to re-assure you that this transaction is 100% risk free and should be treated with absolute confidentiality. All the vital documentation/certification that has to do with the origin of the fund is with me for the security reasons.And I will send them to you when we progress.And I guarantee you that this fund is not government fund, drug money, or from arms deals. I will detail you more about the bank immediately I receive your acceptance response. I hope this is the beginning of a prosperous relationship between us.Thanks and God bless you Regards Stella/Micheal --------------------------------- From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click here. --0-899308120-1211574553=:86908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hello Dear,
     
     My name is Stella Sigcau, the elder daughter of Mr. Zac sigcau of Zimbabwe, I am 17 years old with my younger brother (Micheal), we are in Ghana as refuge/asylum since we lost our parents because of the recent war that occurred in our country.please do go through this web page for better understanding with full details:
     
         http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0418/zimbabwe.html
     
     I got your esteem contact and particulars out of desperate search for a business minded personality in your country, who will honestly assist my younger brother and I to realize our inherited funds into your account and as well as invest it into a lucrative business.
     
    During the recent war against the farmers in Zimbabwe from the supporters of our President, Robert Mugabe to claim all the white -owned farms to his party members and his followers, he ordered all the white farmers to surrender all their farms to his party members and his followers.
     
     My father being one of the few rich and successful black farmers in our country was also victimized because of his opposition to Mugabe's policies. And because he did not support Mugabe's ideas, Mugabe's supporters invaded my father's farm and burnt everything in the farm, killed my father and made away with a lot of items in my father's farm. This action was taken because my late father felt the growing tension on the farm issue, but I guess he never anticipated the tragedy that brought their brutal and sudden death.
     
     However with the benefit of hindsight, owing to the looming but deteriorating crisis in my country, Zimbabwe, my father, before his unfortunate death deposited with International Commercial Bank (ICB) here in Accra Ghana the sum of US$ 35MUsd (Thirty Five Million United States Dollars), with the sole aim of acquiring and buying some dredging equipments in setting up of a dredging firm with his partner. With his death and all his assets seized at home and accounts frozen, the family is now in a very difficult situation.
     
     After the death of my father, my brother and I escaped to the Republic of Ghana where he had deposited the money in the Bank . And we were permitted to reside here as Political Refugees.
     
     So Because of our present and unpleasant status here we decided to contact an overseas firm / individual that can assist us to move this money out Of Ghana because, as asylum seekers, we are not allowed to operate any financial transaction of such amount within Ghana and also to assist in providing me and my brother a permanent residential permit in your country after the money must have been transferred to your account.
     
    We have agreed to offer you 30% of the total sum for your assistance, and the rest will be for my brother and I, to Invest in your country under your assistant
     
    All I want you to do is to furnish me with the below information including your readiness to assist me achieve this transaction for investment purposes in your country under your supervision. Kindly re-confirm to me the followings:
    1) Your Full Name:
    2) Phone, Fax and Mobile
    3) Profession, Age and Marital Status.
    4) Nationality
     
     I have to re-assure you that this transaction is 100% risk free and should be treated with absolute confidentiality. All the vital documentation/certification that has to do with the origin of the fund is with me for the security reasons.And I will send them to you when we progress.And I guarantee you that this fund is not government fund, drug money, or from arms deals.
     
     I will detail you more about  the bank  immediately I receive your acceptance response. I hope this is the beginning of a prosperous relationship between us.Thanks and God bless you
     
    Regards
    Stella/Micheal

    From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click here. --0-899308120-1211574553=:86908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 21:15:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298F43BEA4; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:15:09 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Wrp4fum+qApde4ZDL+OOYfns1gib9V51N5WNi1Zq0JSmwvDtQfWhIjv4taV/xlhck4RqNAgJoa9apaJQiDKcSNJbanSW4lmmATsBX8O3ZKAYC3vM5X7vTBo7jdIwK/EYi9RvDsTnidmq3smNkZeTqvqjlw7UPViow6f1lCtArWU=; X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.199 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: George Ludwig Reply-To: sfmissionman@yahoo.com Subject: any loopers going to Pot Luck Audio Con in New Orleans? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <483718FB.3010702@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <961560.49716.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Sponsored by TapeOp magazine. I'll be there for sure...if anyone wants to meet for a drink, or to eat our way through the French Quarter, ping me! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 21:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9C0F3BEA4; Fri, 23 May 2008 21:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:58:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015C_01C8BCED.E2BD58B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:58:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C8BCED.E2BD58B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about = next year. Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that = if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to the = festival, I'm going to bring them their virtually. Next year, I am = thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the = festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main = schedule and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio = video. Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this? I = am not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in = audio/video quality. I've done some experimenting with just the video = functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if = you have a decent web cam. Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off = with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as = virtual, and may even blend that with the local performers. Kris Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C8BCED.E2BD58B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    This year's festival hasn't even begun, = and I'm=20 already thinking about next year.  Next year I would like to expand = my=20 horizons. I figure that if I can't bring all the people I want from = other=20 countries to the festival, I'm going to bring them their = virtually.  Next=20 year, I am thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers = at the=20 festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main = schedule=20 and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio=20 video.
     
    Anyone out there know much about the = technology=20 required to do this?  I am not too much concerned about latency, = but more=20 interesting in audio/video quality.  I've done some experimenting = with just=20 the video functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't = too bad=20 if you have a decent web cam.
     
    Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do = this, and if I=20 can pull this off with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of = the=20 performers as virtual, and may even blend that with the local=20 performers.
     
    Kris
     
    Krispen Hartung
    Boise Experimental = Music=20 Festival
    Event Coordinator and Artistic Director
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
    info@krispenhartung.com
    1-= 208-724-5603
    ------=_NextPart_000_015C_01C8BCED.E2BD58B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 22:12:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204D13BEB2; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4837413C.8070208@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:12:12 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Awesome plan, this. Have you tried out Skype, the Net telephony app? I've never tried music over it - it's definitely better audio quality than a regular phone call, though I imagine it's optimized for voice - but the video chat function seems to work well. And it's free for computer-to-computer calls. It could be used in conjunction with Ninjam or a Shoutcast server, if the audio quality was lacking. Will there be any streaming audio or video from this year's fest? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about > next year. Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure > that if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to > the festival, I'm going to bring them their virtually. Next year, I > am thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the > festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main > schedule and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio > video. > > Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this? > I am not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in > audio/video quality. I've done some experimenting with just the video > functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad > if you have a decent web cam. > > Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off > with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as > virtual, and may even blend that with the local performers. > > Kris > > Krispen Hartung > Boise Experimental Music Festival > Event Coordinator and Artistic Director > http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ > info@krispenhartung.com > 1-208-724-5603 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 22:35:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91143BEBA; Fri, 23 May 2008 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016e01c8bd25$51226f70$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4837413C.8070208@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:35:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:35:36 +0000 (UTC) I have used Skype before, and I recall it was decent. In fact, I just installed it and it appears to be working fine. kris.hartung. I'm not sure about the audio specs though. I can't tell from the site whether it will send a stereo signal, or just mono. Yes, this I hope to stream the festival to the web again. I am waiting for the venue to call me and verify that I can use their internet service. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Awesome plan, this. Have you tried out Skype, the Net telephony app? I've > never tried music over it - it's definitely better audio quality than a > regular phone call, though I imagine it's optimized for voice - but the > video chat function seems to work well. And it's free for > computer-to-computer calls. It could be used in conjunction with Ninjam or > a Shoutcast server, if the audio quality was lacking. > > Will there be any streaming audio or video from this year's fest? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about >> next year. Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that >> if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to the >> festival, I'm going to bring them their virtually. Next year, I am >> thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the >> festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main >> schedule and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio >> video. >> Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this? I >> am not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in >> audio/video quality. I've done some experimenting with just the video >> functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if >> you have a decent web cam. >> Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off >> with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as >> virtual, and may even blend that with the local performers. >> Kris >> Krispen Hartung >> Boise Experimental Music Festival >> Event Coordinator and Artistic Director >> http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ >> info@krispenhartung.com >> 1-208-724-5603 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 23:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8103BEBE; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:09:07 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c8bd2a$00901da0$01b058e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BCEF.543145A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci9IDB64lOvQyfCT6Cnwy0k9HdG7AACVHZw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BCEF.543145A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cisco's Telepresence is amazing! But spendy ($300K per room). OK, forget that idea. How about webex ? http://www.webex.com/individual/online-meeting.html Haven't used it for ~ 5yrs, but it might be worth looking into. -Qua From: Boise Experimental Music Festival [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about next year. Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to the festival, I'm going to bring them their virtually. Next year, I am thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main schedule and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio video. Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this? I am not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in audio/video quality. I've done some experimenting with just the video functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if you have a decent web cam. Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as virtual, and may even blend that with the local performers. Kris Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BCEF.543145A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Cisco’s Telepresence is amazing!   But = spendy  ($300K  per room).    OK,  forget that idea… 

    How about webex ?  http://www.w= ebex.com/individual/online-meeting.html

    Haven’t used it for ~ 5yrs, but it might be worth = looking into.

     

    -Qua

     

    From:= Boise = Experimental Music Festival [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:59 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in = Audio-Video

     

    This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about next year.  Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that = if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to the festival, = I'm going to bring them their virtually.  Next year, I am thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the festival...not = like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main schedule and projected = on a giant video screen on the stage with audio video.

     

    Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this?  I am = not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in audio/video quality.  I've done some experimenting with just the video = functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if you have a = decent web cam.

     

    Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as virtual, and = may even blend that with the local performers.

     

    Kris

     

    Krispen Hartung
    Boise Experimental Music Festival
    Event Coordinator and Artistic Director
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
    info@krispenhartung.com
    1-208-724-5603

    ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C8BCEF.543145A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 23:11:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F573BECD; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48374F1E.7080104@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:11:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4837413C.8070208@mhorse.com> <016e01c8bd25$51226f70$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <016e01c8bd25$51226f70$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Oh right...stereo. Heh. That's a good question and I couldn't find an easy answer just now either. I can do long-distance testing with you at some point (like, after THIS fest I assume). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I have used Skype before, and I recall it was decent. In fact, I just > installed it and it appears to be working fine. kris.hartung. I'm not > sure about the audio specs though. I can't tell from the site whether > it will send a stereo signal, or just mono. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 23 23:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087073BED6; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 335 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 23 May 2008 23:15:07 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 896815.62464.bm@omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PgcHKjAlZfaOl0jOsdMYoXez58I4bh66csfTOjlWRrXVZ06B9kFLedwBMS2Pw3mLf1JLjErQUSdRDO8zxT1kHGQexixHr9k7RdUYth5tuRyecGG1Ktgjsy0sGag2+pg1TEqRemRdjh+ohE0SMNp9pxRQXS8BBf6FN08+9OYpWw0=; X-YMail-OSG: k3iGnK8VM1lkHNoBUdQAHrWD92Q1y05tdH3KwsvlDNr5ivh_hMK4nfZ9h6P6iwJxIQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: E Gross Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2068034700-1211584171=:41718" Message-ID: <527484.41718.qm@web45902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 23:15:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-2068034700-1211584171=:41718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why not have two skype sessions, one for left and one for right? Latency/ji= tter could make things interesting.....=0AI used skype from Germany to the = U.S.=A0a year ago=A0and there was a small delay......=0ANormal telecom spec= s would not be audio friendly, I am sure they don't bother trying to do any= better than that,=0Aalthough technically it would be possible --- Uber-Sky= pe!!=0A=0A-----------------------------------------------------------------= ----=0AI have used Skype before, and I recall it was decent. In fact, I jus= t =0Ainstalled it and it appears to be working fine. kris.hartung.=A0 I'm n= ot sure =0Aabout the audio specs though. I can't tell from the site whether= it will =0Asend a stereo signal, or just mono.=0A=0AYes, this I hope to st= ream the festival to the web again. I am waiting for =0Athe venue to call m= e and verify that I can use their internet service.=0A=0AKris=0A=0A--------= -----------------------------------------------------------=0A=0A=0A --0-2068034700-1211584171=:41718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    Why not have two skype sessions, one for left and one for right? Latency/jitter could make things interesting.....
     
    I used skype from Germany to the U.S. a year ago and there was a small delay......
     
    Normal telecom specs would not be audio friendly, I am sure they don't bother trying to do any better than that,
    although technically it would be possible --- Uber-Skype!!

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    I have used Skype before, and I recall it was decent. In fact, I just
    installed it and it appears to be working fine. kris.hartung.  I'm not sure
    about the audio specs though. I can't tell from the site whether it will
    send a stereo signal, or just mono.

    Yes, this I hope to stream the festival to the web again. I am waiting for
    the venue to call me and verify that I can use their internet service.

    Kris
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 02:20:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DEC3BEAF; Sat, 24 May 2008 02:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprynet.com; b=BwWxF9GMHVQYFKo0nBFcRd/PMCdsLUxjhg5nTlxBZ65c7JSEOW3Gh9P8kzTUAX3b; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Cc:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <28598058.1211595608909.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:20:08 -0400 (EDT) From: bradley_g_smith@sprynet.com Reply-To: bradley_g_smith@sprynet.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" Cc: khartung@cableone.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 5845cf3728b4ed5d1745d4e921052fe1faef81d128501e5d3f4eb1047b54a12284e88496ded2557779db274887cc6964350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 02:20:09 +0000 (UTC) We have been discussing this in a thread on the forum at Unfretted.com (http://www.unfretted.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2404&pid=25837&st=0&#entry25837). I know there is a closely-aligned development or "inspired-by-ShoutCast" soft that is free in beta that does it with video. Actually, I don't know much about the video side of it, but here's a link with some information about what NullSoft have done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullsoft_Streaming_Video and somewhere in the Cockos NinJam forum there is discussion of video NinJam-ish stuff. Best, Newbie Brad From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 06:18:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25F53BEBE; Sat, 24 May 2008 06:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080524061842643.9D1741C00083@mwinf2712.orange.fr Message-ID: <4837B342.60205@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 08:18:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video References: <527484.41718.qm@web45902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <527484.41718.qm@web45902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:18:44 +0000 (UTC) E Gross schrieb: > Why not have two skype sessions, one for left and one for right? > Latency/jitter could make things interesting..... No way to use skype for the audio. You need to route and mix in a quality made for this kind of stuff. Ninjam works fine and is easy to setup. Only thinking about using skype is already a nightmare... They want the lowest possible bandwidth but optimized for speech, but what does that mean? High quality phone requirements: mono, frequency range max 8 kHz... Still valid quality, 4 kHz... Using two lines will for sure kill all phase relationships between stereo pairs. They will have several ms different latency. The latency can vary while talking etc... Skypes concern is to allow to talk over very low speed lines. But we would need guaranteed quality and latency. It would be possible to use an additional stream for video only. But don't expect anything close to lipsync... Ninjam is creating a reliable synced to the beat latency. Don't know if that would be possible for video as well... It would require very high speed internet connections, which might eat the quality for the sound. But it should be possible. 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I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 11:09:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE84B3BEBE; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 17095298/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.170.80 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.170.80 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At4AAO+TN0hPTqpQ/2dsb2JhbAAIrWuCWA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,535,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="17095298" Message-ID: <4837F762.9000707@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:09:22 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video References: <527484.41718.qm@web45902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4837B342.60205@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4837B342.60205@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > No way to use skype for the audio. You need to route and mix in a > quality made for this kind of stuff. Ninjam works fine and is easy to > setup. Only thinking about using skype is already a nightmare... They > want the lowest possible bandwidth but optimized for speech, but what > does that mean? > High quality phone requirements: mono, frequency range max 8 kHz... > Still valid quality, 4 kHz... > Using two lines will for sure kill all phase relationships between > stereo pairs. They will have several ms different latency. The latency > can vary while talking etc... Being a Skype user I'd agree with Stefan, and I'd add that the latency is much more than that. It's always enough to make conversation just a little bit awkward, and can go up to several seconds. (Matthias Grob and I have even had feedback loops running ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 11:16:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA143BEC3; Sat, 24 May 2008 11:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4837413C.8070208@mhorse.com> <016e01c8bd25$51226f70$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <48374F1E.7080104@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:16:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Something to remember about Skype - where their servers are! When Sarah and I went to Paris last year to see a gallery an old friend of mine was invited to show his stuff in (see http://www.dream-dollars.com/ for some really incredible work!), I took the laptop and Skype onboard with my bluetooth earpiece. Still having trouble breathing after seeing what internet access from the room cost - 25Euros a day! - so I went to the lobby, from which it was free. [shaking head] When I 'called' my friend who was staying in the Latin Quarter he told me there was a 'wicked echo' that made it nearly impossible to use, so we stuck to mobile phones for the three days we were there. I thought later about Where's The Signal Going? and realized the path was Paris->London->USA->Paris. No wonder! Later my friend told me that it sounded like a L-R stereo mix with one of the channels Dry and the other a delayed, flanged reverb. And I thought singing the National Anthem at a ball park was daunting! But it did make me briefly wonder about how such a delay might be used for looping. Guerrilla Loops! Not for everyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video > Oh right...stereo. Heh. That's a good question and I couldn't find an easy > answer just now either. > > I can do long-distance testing with you at some point (like, after THIS > fest I assume). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> I have used Skype before, and I recall it was decent. In fact, I just >> installed it and it appears to be working fine. kris.hartung. I'm not >> sure about the audio specs though. I can't tell from the site whether it >> will send a stereo signal, or just mono. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 12:37:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44FC43BEC1; Sat, 24 May 2008 12:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c8bd9b$089b11a0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:38:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C8BDA3.69F8EFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:37:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C8BDA3.69F8EFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've always been interested in these, but they're very expensive and I = find myself wondering - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for personal = sound/monitoring onstage. - How they work with a number of signals going through them - using them = as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician = approach. - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as part of = a multi-act line-up. I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 models 1&2 = - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient drivers(?). Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could buy a = pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for the = price of one of these! Thoughts, experiences? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Gallaher=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped solo = blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert stages = with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose = line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a long = throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do have = a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use it). = My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than = the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year (along = with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something else. =20 I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars through = a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro = Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this goes = into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads the = mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also amazing is = the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet behind me, = with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds back. I = hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when making = one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on top. = Can't recommend it enough. =20 dave=20 =20 =20 www.microwavedave.com =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 =20 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any = body ever used or own one before? =20 = http://www.bose.com/controller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musi= cians/index.jsp&src=3DMUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C8BDA3.69F8EFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    i've always been interested in these, but = they're very=20 expensive and I find myself wondering
     
    - how useful they are if just one member of a band = has one for=20 personal sound/monitoring onstage.
     
    - How they work with a number of signals going = through them -=20 using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per = musician=20 approach.
     
    - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you = are playing=20 as part of a multi-act line-up.
     
    I'm still not entirely sure of the differences = between the L1=20 models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient=20 drivers(?).
    Are they so good that they are worth the investment. = You could=20 buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & = more for=20 the price of one of these!
     
    Thoughts, experiences?
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Dave = Gallaher=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 = PM
    Subject: RE: Bose L1

    I=92ve been using a Bose L1 = with two=20 subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since = 2004.  It=92s a=20 great system.  When on concert stages with sound reinforcement, I = just=20 tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a = monitor. =20 The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will get a bass or = kick out=20 into a small area (I do have a JBL 18=94 powered subwoofer for extra = large=20 rooms, but rarely use it).  My system is the original L1, so it = is=20 bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your link.  I = do about=20 a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band dates) and I=92ve never = wished I=20 was using something else.

     

    I get compliments on the sound = at every=20 gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a = Porchboard=20 Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to = create bass=20 sounds=97all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an = EDP. =20 The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad=20 pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is = set up=20 about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of = it, yet=20 never feeds back.  I hear what the audience is hearing, which is = a great=20 help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed = and solos=20 on top.  Can=92t recommend it = enough.

     

    dave=20

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From: JASON=20 CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent:     Monday, May 19, 2008 = 10:31=20 AM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose=20 L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a = Bose L1 PA=20 system has any body ever used or own one=20 before?

     

    http://www.bose.com/cont= roller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musicians/index.jsp&= src=3DMUSICIANS

    ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C8BDA3.69F8EFA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 15:33:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 555603BEAF; Sat, 24 May 2008 15:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 428 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 24 May 2008 15:33:15 UTC Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <20080522014257.CA7EA3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> <4499A8B0-15D9-4C39-B09E-A833AF32196F@mikecrain.com> In-Reply-To: <4499A8B0-15D9-4C39-B09E-A833AF32196F@mikecrain.com> Subject: RE: Best foot controller for Ableton? Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:26:11 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c8bdb2$7f4adc60$7de09520$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8BD90.F8393C60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci7zb6SUvMyUy3MQxmrgkjgWyCOkwB5LCcQ Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:33:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8BD90.F8393C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any comments on the ART X-15 Ultrafoot? A friend of mine wants to sell his. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8BD90.F8393C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C8BD90.F8393C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 17:27:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22ED63BEAF; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:27:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c8bdc3$79c8bc10$6d5a3430$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8BD88.CD69E410" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci9IDB64lOvQyfCT6Cnwy0k9HdG7AACVHZwACZ6RNA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <1YpLL.A.8xF.AAFOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8BD88.CD69E410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I have 5.1 DVDs from BT (Binary Universe) and Trey Gunn (Quodia). Both are really wonderful. Any recommendations for surround video-music DVDs ? -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8BD88.CD69E410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi

    I have 5.1 DVDs from BT (Binary Universe)  and  = Trey Gunn (Quodia).    Both are really wonderful.   =

     

    Any recommendations for surround video-music DVDs ?     

     

    -Qua

    ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C8BD88.CD69E410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 17:29:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B870E3BEAF; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001e01c8bdc3$79c8bc10$6d5a3430$@com> In-Reply-To: <001e01c8bdc3$79c8bc10$6d5a3430$@com> Subject: OT: 5.1 DVD recommendations ? Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:29:44 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c8bdc3$c1c402e0$454c08a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8BD89.15652AE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci9IDB64lOvQyfCT6Cnwy0k9HdG7AACVHZwACZ6RNAAAAoSwA== Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:29:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8BD89.15652AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, sorry for sending under the BEMF subject line by mistake -Qua From: Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Hi I have 5.1 DVDs from BT (Binary Universe) and Trey Gunn (Quodia). Both are really wonderful. Any recommendations for surround video-music DVDs ? -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8BD89.15652AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Oops,  sorry for sending under the BEMF subject line = by mistake

    -Qua

     

    From:= Qua Veda [mailto:qua@oregon.com]
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in = Audio-Video

     

    Hi

    I have 5.1 DVDs from BT (Binary Universe)  and  = Trey Gunn (Quodia).    Both are really wonderful.   =

     

    Any recommendations for surround video-music DVDs ?     

     

    -Qua

    ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8BD89.15652AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 17:51:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013EA3BEA0; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Bose L1 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:51:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8BD9C.EC320CB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Aci9mwAkHaXQIaRsQwuQPXPIwpe9UAAKVwwg In-Reply-To: <004201c8bd9b$089b11a0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> Message-Id: <20080524175150.6C6223BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 17:51:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8BD9C.EC320CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't answer about the difference between the two systems, haven't seen a new one yet. I would think that as a band amp, they would be awkward since their dispersion pattern would wash all other players in the same sound as yours. If everyone is using one, that might be different as all would (theoretically) seek a balance, but considering the forward beaming of most amps, the L1 would be very different. However, I have seen people use a pair as a PA, and they work quite nicely. You don't get the big blast of audio directly in front that is customary with most FOH rigs, but the dispersion is really broad. When I first set my L1 up on a solo gig I'd been doing for years (along the long wall of a bar, with the bar stretching about 30 yards to my immediate left), I was amazed that people at the far end of the bar, nearly a hundred feet away and almost ninety degrees off center point to my left, were laughing at the impromptu comments I always make. This never happened with previous amplification. They also project differently, as what seems like a fairly nominal sound pressure manages to be very present out in the room. Again, it's not the in-your-face decibels of a horn+woofer cabinet, but setting up a multi-instrumental loop and walking around any room I'm playing gives me a good soundcheck. Usually I only tweak the bass/kick signal and tone in any application as it always makes everything else work automatically. It's also wonderful in small rooms. They are expensive, and they do take a little setting up (and lugging), but they are smaller than two FOH, two wedges and a rack or head. Quality is high fidelity, as you will hear when you play a CD through the system. Another item-their customer service is excellent. Just after my system went out of warranty, I began to note a bit of distortion in one of the three power amps that are built in to the base. I called Bose in Boston, expecting to get the apology or runaround I've come to know from most corporations of this type. The guy put me on hold (I figured to concoct the perfect excuse), came back on and said "Are you still at (address)?" You'll have a new base tomorrow; you have thirty days to send the old one back in the carton that the new one comes in." Overnight replacement of a critical component-at no charge-is about as good as it gets, in my opinion. dave i've always been interested in these, but they're very expensive and I find myself wondering - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for personal sound/monitoring onstage. - How they work with a number of signals going through them - using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician approach. - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as part of a multi-act line-up. I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient drivers(?). Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for the price of one of these! Thoughts, experiences? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Gallaher To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use it). My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something else. I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds back. I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on top. Can't recommend it enough. dave www.microwavedave.com _____ From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any body ever used or own one before? http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT &url=/musicians/index.jsp&src=MUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C8BD9C.EC320CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I can’t answer about the = difference between the two systems, haven’t seen a new one = yet.

     

    I would think that as a band amp, = they would be awkward since their dispersion pattern would wash all other = players in the same sound as yours.  If everyone is using one, that might be different as all would (theoretically) seek a balance, but considering = the forward beaming of most amps, the L1 would be very = different.

     

    However, I have seen people use a = pair as a PA, and they work quite nicely.  You don’t get the big = blast of audio directly in front that is customary with most FOH rigs, but the dispersion is really broad.  When I first set my L1 up on a solo = gig I’d been doing for years (along the long wall of a bar, with the bar = stretching about 30 yards to my immediate left), I was amazed that people at the = far end of the bar, nearly a hundred feet away and almost ninety degrees off = center point to my left, were laughing at the impromptu comments I always = make.  This never happened with previous amplification.  =

     

    They also project differently, as = what seems like a fairly nominal sound pressure manages to be very present = out in the room.  Again, it’s not the in-your-face decibels of a horn+woofer cabinet, but setting up a multi-instrumental loop and = walking around any room I’m playing gives me a good soundcheck.  = Usually I only tweak the bass/kick signal and tone in any application as it always = makes everything else work automatically.  It’s also wonderful in = small rooms.

     

    They are expensive, and they do = take a little setting up (and lugging), but they are smaller than two FOH, two = wedges and a rack or head.  Quality is high fidelity, as you will hear = when you play a CD through the system.

     

    Another item—their customer = service is excellent.  Just after my system went out of warranty, I began = to note a bit of distortion in one of the three power amps that are built in to = the base.  I called Bose in Boston, expecting to get the apology or runaround I’ve come to know from = most corporations of this type.  The guy put me on hold (I figured to = concoct the perfect excuse), came back on and said “Are you still at = (address)?”  You’ll have a new base tomorrow; you have thirty days to send the = old one back in the carton that the new one comes in.”  Overnight replacement of a critical component—at no charge—is about as = good as it gets, in my opinion.

     

    dave

     

     

     

    i've always been interested in these, but they're very = expensive and I find myself wondering

     

    - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for = personal sound/monitoring onstage.

     

    - How they work with a number of signals going through them - = using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician = approach.

     

    - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as = part of a multi-act line-up.

     

    I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 = models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient = drivers(?).

    Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could = buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for = the price of one of these!

     

    Thoughts, experiences?

     

    ----- Original Message -----

    Sent: Monday, = May 19, 2008 5:38 PM

    Subject: RE: = Bose L1

     

    I’ve been using a Bose L1 = with two subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since 2004.  It’s a great system.  When on concert stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, = not needing a monitor.  The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but = they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18” = powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use it).  My system is = the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on = your link.  I do about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band = dates) and I’ve never wished I was using something = else.

     

    I get compliments on the sound at = every gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a = Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create = bass sounds—all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP.  The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly = broad pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set = up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of = it, yet never feeds back.  I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a = great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and = solos on top.  Can’t recommend it = enough.

     

    dave

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From: JASON = CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 19, = 2008 10:31 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose = L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has = any body ever used or own one before?

     

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Terms of Service - Guideline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 19:47:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1073BEC4; Sat, 24 May 2008 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009c01c8bdd7$08f4ac10$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <015f01c8bd20$2ddb0270$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002301c8bd2a$00901da0$01b058e0$@com> Subject: Re: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 13:47:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0099_01C8BDA4.BD920A10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C8BDA4.BD920A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Webex sucks. I use it for work sometimes when vendor refuse to use our = HP tool, and afterwards I uninstall it as if it were a virus . All the = Business oriented virtual communication apps aren't really designed for = high quality audio/video. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Qua Veda=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video Cisco's Telepresence is amazing! But spendy ($300K per room). = OK, forget that idea. =20 How about webex ? http://www.webex.com/individual/online-meeting.html Haven't used it for ~ 5yrs, but it might be worth looking into. =20 -Qua =20 From: Boise Experimental Music Festival [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] = Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BEMF4 and Virutal Performers in Audio-Video =20 This year's festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about = next year. Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that = if I can't bring all the people I want from other countries to the = festival, I'm going to bring them their virtually. Next year, I am = thinking of having a fair amount of virtual performers at the = festival...not like Ninjam, etc, but featured performers on the main = schedule and projected on a giant video screen on the stage with audio = video. =20 Anyone out there know much about the technology required to do this? = I am not too much concerned about latency, but more interesting in = audio/video quality. I've done some experimenting with just the video = functionality of various instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if = you have a decent web cam. =20 Thoughts? Ideas? I really want to do this, and if I can pull this off = with decent quality, next year I will feature 50% of the performers as = virtual, and may even blend that with the local performers. =20 Kris =20 Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C8BDA4.BD920A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Webex sucks. I use it for work = sometimes when=20 vendor refuse to use our HP tool, and afterwards I uninstall it as if it = were a=20 virus . All the Business oriented virtual communication apps aren't = really=20 designed for high quality audio/video.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Qua Veda =
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 5:09 = PM
    Subject: RE: BEMF4 and Virutal = Performers=20 in Audio-Video

    Cisco=92s=20 Telepresence is amazing!   But spendy  ($300K  per = room).    OK,  forget that idea=85 =20

    How=20 about webex ?  http://www.w= ebex.com/individual/online-meeting.html

    Haven=92t=20 used it for ~ 5yrs, but it might be worth looking = into.

     

    -Qua

     

    From: Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] =
    Sent:=20 Friday, May 23, 2008 2:59 PM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: BEMF4 and = Virutal=20 Performers in Audio-Video

     

    This = year's=20 festival hasn't even begun, and I'm already thinking about next = year. =20 Next year I would like to expand my horizons. I figure that if I can't = bring=20 all the people I want from other countries to the festival, I'm going = to bring=20 them their virtually.  Next year, I am thinking of having a = fair=20 amount of virtual performers at the festival...not like Ninjam, etc, = but=20 featured performers on the main schedule and projected on a giant = video screen=20 on the stage with audio video.

     

    Anyone = out there=20 know much about the technology required to do this?  I am not too = much=20 concerned about latency, but more interesting in audio/video = quality. =20 I've done some experimenting with just the video functionality of = various=20 instant messengers, and some aren't too bad if you have a decent web=20 cam.

     

    Thoughts? = Ideas? I=20 really want to do this, and if I can pull this off with decent = quality, next=20 year I will feature 50% of the performers as virtual, and may even = blend that=20 with the local performers.

     

    Kris

     

    Krispen=20 Hartung
    Boise Experimental Music Festival
    Event Coordinator and = Artistic=20 Director
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
    info@krispenhartung.com
    1-= 208-724-5603

    = ------=_NextPart_000_0099_01C8BDA4.BD920A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 19:52:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1BDC3BEC9; Sat, 24 May 2008 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V2/JEj6gp6NWJOJ39wVSMd+0SPM/iW3bAo4iQx4ZWG0JRSOWFxZA8Vjc3mvwKhOr; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <8AF48F24-1322-4497-8680-4C91FB22E26B@earthlink.net> From: Cara Quinn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080523071038.yjpdcjd28k00oo8g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v922.1) Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:52:39 -0700 References: <20080523071038.yjpdcjd28k00oo8g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.922.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609bc5f3c31f61fb2e96a34338fd9c7bcc5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.94.193.196 Resent-Message-ID: <0xLni.A.E7C.JIHOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kevin! Thanks muchly for the note! :) I dl'ed the manual but as you said, it's a bit out of date. =20 There's got to be a list somewhere of the complete feature set with =20 all the current updates taken into account. So, out of curiosity, how long have you had your Looperlative? Oh, =20= also, have you got any recent work posted where I might have a listen?=20= =85 Would love to hear what your up to lately. :) Thanks again, and hope all is well with you / yours! Have a terrific weekend!=85 Smiles, Cara :) On May 23, 2008, at 5:10 AM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Cara Quinn : > >> Hey All, my apologies here, for what has undoubtedly been done to >> death. lol! I've tried searching the archives and Googled like =20 >> crazy >> but can find nothing definitive on this. >> >> I'm simply wondering: >> >> =95 is there a current / complete feature list someone can point me =20= >> to, for the Looperlative? >> > There is a user's manual for download at the Looperlative site -- =20 > however I'm not sure if it is up to date. I am sure that my manual =20= > is out of date -- and I've pencilled in a lot of notes. >> >> =95 can the Looperlative redefine a loop length to any arbitrary =20 >> length after its creation? >> > The only way I know to do that would be with the bounce function -- =20= > that is, you would copy a loop to another track and you can specify =20= > the endpoint. >> >> =95 Does the current Upgrade offer time stretching / pitch variance? = =20 >> (as with the Repeater) >> > I've never used a repeater... the LP1 has a pitch function that can =20= > be assigned to a controller. The function allows the pitch to be =20 > transposed down as much as one octave. To transpose up, one must =20 > set the pitch to the low position, record, and then set the pitch to =20= > the high position. >> >> Thanks so very much for any assistance! >> > You're welcome, Cara. Good to hear from you. > > -- Kevin > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 20:03:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B513BEC1; Sat, 24 May 2008 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008a01c8bdd9$4da28ab0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20080524175150.6C6223BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:03:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C8BDE1.AF458800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <0du4l.A.cUD.TSHOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C8BDE1.AF458800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm, thanks, food for thought. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Gallaher=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 I can't answer about the difference between the two systems, haven't = seen a new one yet. =20 I would think that as a band amp, they would be awkward since their = dispersion pattern would wash all other players in the same sound as = yours. If everyone is using one, that might be different as all would = (theoretically) seek a balance, but considering the forward beaming of = most amps, the L1 would be very different. =20 However, I have seen people use a pair as a PA, and they work quite = nicely. You don't get the big blast of audio directly in front that is = customary with most FOH rigs, but the dispersion is really broad. When = I first set my L1 up on a solo gig I'd been doing for years (along the = long wall of a bar, with the bar stretching about 30 yards to my = immediate left), I was amazed that people at the far end of the bar, = nearly a hundred feet away and almost ninety degrees off center point to = my left, were laughing at the impromptu comments I always make. This = never happened with previous amplification. =20 =20 They also project differently, as what seems like a fairly nominal = sound pressure manages to be very present out in the room. Again, it's = not the in-your-face decibels of a horn+woofer cabinet, but setting up a = multi-instrumental loop and walking around any room I'm playing gives me = a good soundcheck. Usually I only tweak the bass/kick signal and tone = in any application as it always makes everything else work = automatically. It's also wonderful in small rooms. =20 They are expensive, and they do take a little setting up (and = lugging), but they are smaller than two FOH, two wedges and a rack or = head. Quality is high fidelity, as you will hear when you play a CD = through the system. =20 Another item-their customer service is excellent. Just after my = system went out of warranty, I began to note a bit of distortion in one = of the three power amps that are built in to the base. I called Bose in = Boston, expecting to get the apology or runaround I've come to know from = most corporations of this type. The guy put me on hold (I figured to = concoct the perfect excuse), came back on and said "Are you still at = (address)?" You'll have a new base tomorrow; you have thirty days to = send the old one back in the carton that the new one comes in." = Overnight replacement of a critical component-at no charge-is about as = good as it gets, in my opinion. =20 dave=20 =20 =20 =20 i've always been interested in these, but they're very expensive and I = find myself wondering =20 - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for = personal sound/monitoring onstage. =20 - How they work with a number of signals going through them - using = them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician = approach. =20 - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as part = of a multi-act line-up. =20 I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 models = 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient drivers(?). Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could buy a = pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for the = price of one of these! =20 Thoughts, experiences? =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Gallaher=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 =20 I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped = solo blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert = stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into = the Bose line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a = long throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do = have a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use = it). My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier = than the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year = (along with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something = else. =20 I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars = through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH = Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this = goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads = the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also = amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet = behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds = back. I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when = making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on = top. Can't recommend it enough. =20 dave=20 =20 =20 www.microwavedave.com =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 =20 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any = body ever used or own one before? =20 = http://www.bose.com/controller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musi= cians/index.jsp&src=3DMUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C8BDE1.AF458800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hmmm, thanks, food for thought.
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Dave = Gallaher=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 = 6:51=20 PM
    Subject: RE: Bose L1

    I can=92t answer about the = difference=20 between the two systems, haven=92t seen a new one=20 yet.

     

    I would think that as a band = amp, they=20 would be awkward since their dispersion pattern would wash all other = players=20 in the same sound as yours.  If everyone is using one, that might = be=20 different as all would (theoretically) seek a balance, but considering = the=20 forward beaming of most amps, the L1 would be very=20 different.

     

    However, I have seen people = use a pair=20 as a PA, and they work quite nicely.  You don=92t get the big = blast of=20 audio directly in front that is customary with most FOH rigs, but the=20 dispersion is really broad.  When I first set my L1 up on a solo = gig I=92d=20 been doing for years (along the long wall of a bar, with the bar = stretching=20 about 30 yards to my immediate left), I was amazed that people at the = far end=20 of the bar, nearly a hundred feet away and almost ninety degrees off = center=20 point to my left, were laughing at the impromptu comments I always = make. =20 This never happened with previous amplification. =20

     

    They also project differently, = as what=20 seems like a fairly nominal sound pressure manages to be very present = out in=20 the room.  Again, it=92s not the in-your-face decibels of a = horn+woofer=20 cabinet, but setting up a multi-instrumental loop and walking around = any room=20 I=92m playing gives me a good soundcheck.  Usually I only tweak = the=20 bass/kick signal and tone in any application as it always makes = everything=20 else work automatically.  It=92s also wonderful in small=20 rooms.

     

    They are expensive, and they = do take a=20 little setting up (and lugging), but they are smaller than two FOH, = two wedges=20 and a rack or head.  Quality is high fidelity, as you will hear = when you=20 play a CD through the system.

     

    Another item=97their customer = service is=20 excellent.  Just after my system went out of warranty, I began to = note a=20 bit of distortion in one of the three power amps that are built in to = the=20 base.  I called Bose in Boston, expecting to get the = apology or=20 runaround I=92ve come to know from most corporations of this = type.  The guy=20 put me on hold (I figured to concoct the perfect excuse), came back on = and=20 said =93Are you still at (address)?=94  You=92ll have a new base = tomorrow; you=20 have thirty days to send the old one back in the carton that the new = one comes=20 in.=94  Overnight replacement of a critical component=97at no = charge=97is about=20 as good as it gets, in my opinion.

     

    dave=20

     

     

     

    i've always been interested in these, = but they're=20 very expensive and I find myself = wondering

     

    - how useful they are if just one member of = a band has=20 one for personal sound/monitoring = onstage.

     

    - How they work with a number of signals = going through=20 them - using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one = per=20 musician approach.

     

    - it's a lot of setting up and taking down = if you are=20 playing as part of a multi-act = line-up.

     

    I'm still not entirely sure of the = differences between=20 the L1 models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient=20 drivers(?).

    Are they so good that they are worth the = investment.=20 You could buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of = wedges &=20 more for the price of one of these!

     

    Thoughts,=20 experiences?

     

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Dave = Gallaher=20

    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20

    Sent: Monday,=20 May 19, 2008 5:38 PM

    Subject: RE:=20 Bose L1

     

    I=92ve been using a Bose L1 = with two=20 subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since = 2004.  It=92s=20 a great system.  When on concert stages with sound = reinforcement, I=20 just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a=20 monitor.  The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will = get a=20 bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18=94 powered = subwoofer=20 for extra large rooms, but rarely use it).  My system is the = original=20 L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your=20 link.  I do about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band = dates)=20 and I=92ve never wished I was using something=20 else.

     

    I get compliments on the = sound at=20 every gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum = is a=20 Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave = adjustments to=20 create bass sounds=97all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops = through=20 an EDP.  The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an = amazingly=20 broad pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the linear = radiator is=20 set up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in = front of=20 it, yet never feeds back.  I hear what the audience is hearing, = which=20 is a great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight = layers of=20 bed and solos on top.  Can=92t recommend it=20 enough.

     

    dave=20

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From: JASON=20 CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent:     Monday, May 19, 2008 = 10:31=20 AM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose=20 L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a = Bose L1=20 PA system has any body ever used or own one=20 before?

     

    http://www.bose.com/cont= roller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musicians/index.jsp&= src=3DMUSICIANS

    =
    ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C8BDE1.AF458800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 24 20:05:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF083BEC2; Sat, 24 May 2008 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2221 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 24 May 2008 20:05:40 UTC Message-ID: <00c901c8bdd4$5b277c90$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "D O'Heare" To: References: <20080524175150.6C6223BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:28:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5KzxQD.A.PfD.UUHOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gallaher" > > If everyone is using one, that might be different as all would > (theoretically) seek a balance, [SNIP] This is fine in theory, but the one time I saw the Bose system in real action, I was very disappointed. The group was Men of Steel, a guitar quartet. Each person had an L1 with a sub, in a room that's usually very good acoustically. I was off to one side, and found that the balance was *WAY* skewed in favour of the performers on that side. I checked the other side, and found that the sound there was skewed in favour of the other side. It might work for a solo act, but I wouldn't use them for anything more than that. Honestly, I'm not sure I'd use an L1 at all, because the times I've heard them (the above show and various demos), I didn't like the sound. I don't have a good explanation for WHY I didn't, in terms of frequency response or whatever, unfortunately. > It's also wonderful in small rooms. That might have something to do with it as well. The show was in a fair-sized church (Unitarian on Cleary Ave., in Ottawa, ON if anyone knows the place). > Another item-their customer service is excellent. ... > Overnight replacement of a critical > component-at no charge-is about as good as it gets, in my opinion. Can't get better than that, really. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 00:23:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F873BEC1; Sun, 25 May 2008 00:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 324 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 25 May 2008 00:23:36 UTC X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter1-v.gandi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8AF48F24-1322-4497-8680-4C91FB22E26B@earthlink.net> References: <20080523071038.yjpdcjd28k00oo8g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <8AF48F24-1322-4497-8680-4C91FB22E26B@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:18:02 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2teWl.A.bQD.IGLOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:23:36 +0000 (UTC) At 12:52 PM -0700 5/24/08, Cara Quinn wrote: > > I dl'ed the manual but as you said, it's a bit out of date. >There's got to be a list somewhere of the complete feature set with >all the current updates taken into account. Not really. :( Your best bet is to go through the release notes for each update under this thread: http://www.looperlative.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=998c8bda08bfe01f292b5005e48fbf02 The first post gives a listing of the new features rolled out under each release -- usually only four or five items. It's a bit of a pain, but once you start going through them it's not as irritating as you'd initially think. >* Does the current Upgrade offer time stretching / pitch variance? >(as with the Repeater) As Kevin explained, the LP-1 will do time/pitch variance. However, as a past Repeater user, you should be aware that the Looperlative implements simple "tape-delay" style stretching -- where both loop time and pitch shift are tied together -- like that found on devices such as the DL-4. It won't do independent time domain or independent pitch domain manipulation like you get on the Repeater. Although you're not stuck with only half-speed or double-speed (like many loopers) since you can use controller/pedal data with the LP-1 to access all the "in-between steps". For most purposes this is fine, but there is a workaround if you have to have Repeater-style functionality. I use an external pitch shifting unit attached directly to one of the sets of aux outs for such effects. Obviously, for pitch shift all I need to do is route the signal to the pitch shifter. For time stretch, I'll use the LP-1's pitch/time shifting, then use the external pitch shifter to re-align the loop back to its original pitch. With this technique, only the time domain gets messed with. It's fairly simple with a good MIDI pedal and a little time spent programming (although you do need to budget for another external box to do the pitch shift). --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From comiamed4@klikni.cz Sun May 25 00:44:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.230]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4F13BEBE for ; Sun, 25 May 2008 00:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 16so1908642hue.15 for ; Sat, 24 May 2008 17:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.163.8 with SMTP id l8mr118215hue.89.1211660752293; Sat, 24 May 2008 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.137.15 with HTTP; Sat, 24 May 2008 13:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7fa1f5680805241325r4b31b5c4sc5c0d67ffb42dc16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 21:25:52 +0100 From: "comi amed" Reply-To: comi_amed@yahoo.fr Subject: =?WINDOWS-1256?Q?VERY_URGENT_call_me.=FE?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13502_23681583.1211660752254" To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------=_Part_13502_23681583.1211660752254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FROM THE DESK OF COMI AMED BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. 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There after I and my family will visit your country for disbursement according to the percentages indicated.Therefore,to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as relation or next of kin to the deceased indicating your bank name, your bank account number,your private telephone and fax number for easy and effective communication and location where in the money will be remitted. Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you by fax or e-mail the text of the application. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required arrangements have been made for the transfer. You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter for more explanations. Thanks Yours faithfully, COMI AMED Bill & Exchange Manager TEL,(00226-78 85 82 81. ------=_Part_13502_23681583.1211660752254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline FROM THE DESK OF COMI AMED
    BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER
    FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT.
    BANK OF AFRICA (BOA) OF BURKINA
    OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO
    TEL,(00226-78 85 82 81.
     
    Dear Friend,
     
    ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM.
     
    I am the manager of bill and exchange at the foreign remittance department in the BANK OF AFRICA (BOA) OF BURKINA FASO OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO.
     
    I am writing,following the impressive information about you through one of my friend. He assured me of your capability and releability to champion this business opportunity.
     
    In my department we discovered an abandoned sum of U.S$10.5M US dollars (TEN Million five hundred US dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customer who died along with his entire family in DECEMBER 2003 in a plane crash.Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidlines and laws but unfortunately we learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside with him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claim.
     
    It is therefore upon this discovery that I  in my department now decided to make this business proposal to you and release the money to you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and i don't want this money to go into the bank treasury as unclaimed bill.
     
    The banking law and guidline here stipulates that if such money remained unclaimed after five years, the money will be transfered into the bank treasury as unclaimed fund.
     
    The request of foreign as next of kin in this business is occassioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Burkinabe can not stand as next of kin to a foreigner.
     
    We agree that 30% of this money will be for you as a foreign partner, in respect to the provision of a foreign account, 5%will be set aside for expenses incured during the business and 65% would befor me and my colleagues.
     
    There after I and my family will visit your country for disbursement according to the percentages indicated.Therefore,to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as relation or next of kin to the deceased indicating your bank name, your bank account number,your private telephone and fax number for easy and effective communication and location where in the money will be remitted.
     
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    I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required arrangements have been made for the transfer.
     
    You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter for more explanations.
     
    Thanks
    Yours faithfully,
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    Bill & Exchange Manager
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    ------=_Part_13502_23681583.1211660752254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 02:39:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865143BEC8; Sun, 25 May 2008 02:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 22:39:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for May 24, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4838D16C.2080205@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:39:47 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080524.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Listen to WMUH now at: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Show #130 May 24, 2008. On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early isses came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Venja] Rapture Sequences No. 2 VA [Mario Memories of Oz Sequences No. 2 Schonwalder] VA [Tranquillity] Data Loss Sequences No. 2 VA [Sebastian Piper] ? 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 06:13:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD91C3BEC3; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:13:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0173_01C8BDFC.2F9A51B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:13:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C8BDFC.2F9A51B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the guitar = to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise = Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm An excerpt that really makes this guitar special.... "The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend of = Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth tusk, = which you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went extinct = roughly 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar is an = actual artifact! I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the size of = the guitar, and its "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, I named = the guitar the "The Little Mammoth."" Kris Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C8BDFC.2F9A51B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Well, it's now 99% complete. The = luthier will be=20 fed ex'ing the guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play = it at=20 the Boise Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and=20 description:
     
    http://= www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm
     
    An excerpt that really makes this = guitar=20 special....
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0173_01C8BDFC.2F9A51B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 06:19:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F30C93BEC7; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 322 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:19:17 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 742797.78393.bm@omp500.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=s912li9Nnx3Aw7cFMjwVit/nurPJb13gWEiSq8ku23Ce++k9/u12qZifN0u4dKahS1v8MpdMsR08iBn0YWVdlbfO4s/9ObBmOdVX45rJc7ASJmbwHes1e3pdke4Fp/T2ckJJkeeDgYIEuz4Kq6mJtkAJ7ZevNLi0q6EtgnkqzOQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 7gRa_6EVM1kG4hX1vjAKy1_QDNCd2gREvwveAOIsp9Xjhn3rhlipbEtKftmtydYkkdXjwBjKiWUY X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Hart Subject: Re: Bose L1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1641305640-1211696030=:52218" Message-ID: <644060.52218.qm@web45310.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:19:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-1641305640-1211696030=:52218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I use one for open mic (L1) w/ 1 sub. Get complements on the sound as well. They are designed to be behind the performer... but there is no way I could fill the room w/o mic feedback if it were used like that. thinking of getting a monitor. I use it as a PA (public address) system not PA (personal amplification) system. Personally, I love it, but I'm not convinced that a pair of high end speakers aren't just as good - not the same sound dispersion though definetly. Know a solo performer (Mike Dowling) that uses it for smaller venues and the clarity is amazing. Adam --0-1641305640-1211696030=:52218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    I use one for open mic (L1) w/ 1 sub.  Get complements on the sound as well.  They are designed to be behind the performer... but there is no way I could fill the room w/o mic feedback if it were used like that.  thinking of getting a monitor.  I use it as a PA (public address) system not  PA (personal amplification) system.

    Personally, I love it, but I'm not convinced that a pair of high end speakers aren't just as good - not the same sound dispersion though definetly.

    Know a solo performer (Mike Dowling) that uses it for smaller venues and the clarity is amazing. 

    Adam

    --0-1641305640-1211696030=:52218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 06:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080E03BECF; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 411 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:38:41 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 231593.23457.bm@omp207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=f6julRUjTT1yWBb4B617E33Vvj1FWznchyCxuHhR3H02vknRsc+0nhyei9/eqHt4ZWsnDHtWc00wFdZvBBBTosx70Jfvn4rrE4bceIxsy2bC1quzJPf5D6x7HaEwvfg2koBe6ToYH1ButfShSJ0pZn9vwsBUvmsrj1oItAO6+1s=; X-YMail-OSG: rQZsS.QVM1n2I57XS4kQ.3QzregvcO4_QaNr9XC9sqkmZLx5iLyze5uIQwKiPsbsi4obzzItxU8u X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Hart Subject: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-881141130-1211697107=:10253" Message-ID: <23005.10253.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:38:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-881141130-1211697107=:10253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is there a PA screamer? Best, Adam --0-881141130-1211697107=:10253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. 

    Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.  Is there a PA screamer?

    Best,
    Adam

    --0-881141130-1211697107=:10253-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 06:55:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA4323BED2; Sun, 25 May 2008 06:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sKPcbrzi/UzK7TjNKbcTnQ)" In-reply-to: <23005.10253.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <23005.10253.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-id: <42007EAB-8AD0-4CD8-B82D-F6B215F82A48@mac.com> From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:51:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:55:30 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_sKPcbrzi/UzK7TjNKbcTnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Adam, That is the question of the ages. I needed to used a RealTube preamp pedal on my single-coil strat to get it to sound thick at all. Seems like Line 6 has some decent sounding amp models--I actually had my strat into a RealTube, then into my line 6 spider amp and it sounded great. t On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote: > I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) > thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop > (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the > recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. > > Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a > nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds > great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is > there a PA screamer? > > Best, > Adam > > --Boundary_(ID_sKPcbrzi/UzK7TjNKbcTnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
    Adam,

    That is the question of the = ages.
    I needed to used a RealTube preamp pedal on my = single-coil strat to get it to sound thick at all. Seems like Line 6 has = some decent sounding amp models--I actually had my strat into a = RealTube, then into my line 6 spider amp and it sounded = great.

    t


    On = May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote:

    I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube = overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.=A0 = Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA = during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping = phase.=A0=A0

    Any = ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube = amp?=A0 do I need a tube preamp?=A0 My tube screamer sounds great into a = tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.=A0 Is there a PA = screamer?=A0

    Best,
    Adam
    <= /div>


    = --Boundary_(ID_sKPcbrzi/UzK7TjNKbcTnQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 07:00:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04DE13BED3; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" In-Reply-To: <23005.10253.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--684087680 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:00:29 -0700 References: <23005.10253.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-B9lwB.A.ARD.U6QOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:00:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--684087680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them. Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2 Mark On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote: > I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) > thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop > (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the > recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. > > Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a > nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds > great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is > there a PA screamer? > > Best, > Adam > --Apple-Mail-1--684087680 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
    There are lots of "amp modelers" to = choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, = but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a = bunch of them.  Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from = amplitube 2

    Mark

    On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 = PM, Adam Hart <loop.troop@yahoo.com> = wrote:

    I = am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my = PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I loop (EDP) I = don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording = phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase.  =

    Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing = a nice tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer = sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the = PA.  Is there a PA screamer? =

    Best,
    Adam

    = --Apple-Mail-1--684087680-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 07:13:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F068B3BEDA; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 354 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:13:25 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 705931.89570.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MY1mM9UodR0MIUDWljwHd0QYjMhvOaEGIRsRNLTirB3TB4O9Ij5XzLTGxuD7m8qB9wL7NJVIqdyFRZowbghQprzYXQVlhCVOEXssd8ZzuWP4eZzyOOHHdlhOr4Kl2h7BKmb7ekRQZzmYKjSKiJUK6tGsGsMSmdlL2dx8U4KL3hc=; X-YMail-OSG: jOUWWLkVM1mJamgGvJ4_HYrDNloUTqmuEIbwtJokk39vwjGt5Rz71q5icb2FtlPL7_xC8Gllp6X9cuoARFdYqrr7iCFnyU0aHQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 00:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Hart Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-41025015-1211699250=:98127" Message-ID: <581560.98127.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5QdrUD.A.1kD.VGROIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:13:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-41025015-1211699250=:98127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice. I figured running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA. Good to hear what others are using and liking. I may try the POD. I hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA. -Adam ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them. Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2 Mark On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote: I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is there a PA screamer? Best, Adam --0-41025015-1211699250=:98127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    Nice.  I figured running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA.  Good to hear what others are using and liking.  I may try the POD.  I hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA.  -Adam

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>
    To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM
    Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp

    There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them.  Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2

    Mark

    On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart <loop.troop@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. 

    Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.  Is there a PA screamer?

    Best,
    Adam


    --0-41025015-1211699250=:98127-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 07:27:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102F53BEDE; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:29:43 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp In-reply-to: <581560.98127.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--682334134 References: <581560.98127.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:27:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--682334134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed O > Nice. I figured running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > > SBD > PA. Good to hear what others are using and liking. I may > try the POD. I hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a > decent tube infront (or behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA. -Adam Pod stuff is getting better, but it's definitely not as good as a tube amp. So I hope you won't be disappointed, if that's what you decide to go with. If your budget would permit it, you might want to look at the Axe-Fx instead. I don't own one, but I know a lot of people who do. Some people use it just for the fx alone (on par with Eventide for quality), but other people swear the amp models *kill* Line 6's offerings. My opinion is that nothing sounds like a tube amp except a real tube amp. But you can still get lots of good sounds out of modeling stuff. Good luck. Jeff --Apple-Mail-2--682334134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    O
    Nice.=A0 I figured running through a = tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA.=A0 Good to hear = what others are using and liking.=A0 I may try the POD.=A0 I hear it's = great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or behind) = it'll sound ok thru my PA.=A0 -Adam

    Pod stuff is getting better, but = it's definitely not as good as a tube amp. So I hope you won't be = disappointed, if that's what you decide to go with. If your budget would = permit it, you might want to look at the Axe-Fx instead. I don't own = one, but I know a lot of people who do. Some people use it just for the = fx alone (on par with Eventide for quality), but other people swear the = amp models *kill* Line 6's offerings.

    My opinion is that nothing = sounds like a tube amp except a real tube amp. But you can still get = lots of good sounds out of modeling stuff. Good luck.

    Jeff



    = --Apple-Mail-2--682334134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 07:30:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE76A3BEDD; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8BE0F.560EB350" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-reply-to: <581560.98127.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Aci+NtO9ATpmqjq6TqCap5TSyGZgnwAAPg4Q Message-Id: <20080525073049.636D63BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:30:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8BE0F.560EB350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Vox Tonelab has a tube in it, and makes excellent guitar tones with my strat and other instruments through the EDP into the Bose L1. If you want really high gain stuff, the Pod may be better (I use a Pod XT Live into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with my band-has been trouble free and a great substitute for a pedalboard for over three years), but the Tonelab has better amp/cab sounds, to my ear. I have the original version-the blue candy box-and my only complaint with it is the LED readout is impossible to use in bright sunshine or under highly glaring stage lights. I have played roughly 100+ gigs a year for over four years with it with no maintenance whatsoever, still using the same tube that came with it. The only pedals I use are a Micro Pog for octaves, and a Holy Grail for extra reverb (Tonelab has some nice reverbs and delays, along with other good effects). If you seek Fender/Vox/Marshall type tones, it does very well. I don't think a shredder would enjoy it, however. dave Nice. I figured running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA. Good to hear what others are using and liking. I may try the POD. I hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA. -Adam ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them. Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2 Mark On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote: I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is there a PA screamer? Best, Adam ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8BE0F.560EB350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    The Vox Tonelab has a tube in it, = and makes excellent guitar tones with my strat and other instruments through = the EDP into the Bose L1.  If you want really high gain stuff, the Pod = may be better (I use a Pod XT Live into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe with my = band—has been trouble free and a great substitute for a pedalboard for over three years), but the Tonelab has better amp/cab sounds, to my ear.  I = have the original version—the blue candy box—and my only complaint = with it is the LED readout is impossible to use in bright sunshine or under = highly glaring stage lights.  I have played roughly 100+ gigs a year for = over four years with it with no maintenance whatsoever, still using the same = tube that came with it.  The only pedals I use are a Micro Pog for = octaves, and a Holy Grail for extra reverb (Tonelab has some nice reverbs and delays, = along with other good effects). If you seek Fender/Vox/Marshall type tones, it = does very well.  I don’t think a shredder would enjoy it, = however.

     

    dave

     

     

     

    Nice.  I figured = running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA.  = Good to hear what others are using and liking.  I may try the POD.  I = hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or = behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA.  -Adam

    ----- Original = Message ----
    From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>
    To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM
    Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube = amp

    There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for = this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to = figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them.  Lately I'm = really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2


    Mark


    On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart <loop.troop@yahoo.com> = wrote:

    I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube = overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I = loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the = recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. 

    Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice = tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer sounds great = into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.  Is there a PA = screamer?

    Best,
    Adam

     

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8BE0F.560EB350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 07:32:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0C753BEDE; Sun, 25 May 2008 07:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 02:32:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8BE0F.A26F7720" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-reply-to: <581560.98127.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Aci+NtO9ATpmqjq6TqCap5TSyGZgnwAAo6+Q Message-Id: <20080525073257.489E13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:32:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8BE0F.A26F7720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, the Tonelab has a pretty good Tubescreamer built in, along with a good heavy fuzz and a very useful treble boost, among other effects. dave www.microwavedave.com 256-519-9993 PO Box 18622 Huntsville, AL 35804 Talkin' the Blues with Microwave Dave Tuesdays, 6-8pm. WJAB 90.9 FM www.aamu.edu/wjab/ 256-372-5861 Saturdays, 8-9pm WLRH 89.3 FM www.wlrh.org 256-895-9574 _____ From: Adam Hart [mailto:loop.troop@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 2:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Nice. I figured running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA. Good to hear what others are using and liking. I may try the POD. I hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA. -Adam ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Sottilaro To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them. Lately I'm really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2 Mark On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart wrote: I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp. Since I loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice tube amp? do I need a tube preamp? My tube screamer sounds great into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA. Is there a PA screamer? Best, Adam ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8BE0F.A26F7720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Also, the Tonelab has a pretty = good Tubescreamer built in, along with a good heavy fuzz and a very useful = treble boost, among other effects.

     

    dave

     

    www.microwavedave.com

    256-519-9993

    PO Box = 18622

    Huntsville, AL  35804

     

    Talkin' the Blues with Microwave = Dave

    Tuesdays, 6-8pm.  WJAB  = 90.9 FM 

    www.aamu.edu/wjab/  256-372-5861

    Saturdays, 8-9pm  WLRH 89.3 = FM

    www.wlrh.org  256-895-9574

     

     

    From: Adam = Hart [mailto:loop.troop@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, = 2008 2:08 AM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: OT: Getting = that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp

     

    Nice.  I figured = running through a tube>then a POD or tonelab> DI > SBD > PA.  = Good to hear what others are using and liking.  I may try the POD.  I = hear it's great for the studio and maybe with a decent tube infront (or = behind) it'll sound ok thru my PA.  -Adam

    ----- Original = Message ----
    From: Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net>
    To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:00:29 AM
    Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube = amp

    There are lots of "amp modelers" to choose from for = this exact purpose. I'm a big fan of the vox tonelab, but the best way to = figure out what one works best for you is to try a bunch of them.  Lately I'm = really loving the sounds I get from amplitube 2


    Mark


    On May 24, 2008, at 11:31 PM, Adam Hart <loop.troop@yahoo.com> = wrote:

    I am looking for a way to get a nice warm tube = overdrive (strat) thru my PA (bose LP1) without micing a guitar amp.  Since I = loop (EDP) I don't want my guitar coming out of an amp and PA during the = recording phase and then only out of the PA in the looping phase. 

    Any ideas on how I can get a nice tone from my Strat w/o micing a nice = tube amp?  do I need a tube preamp?  My tube screamer sounds great = into a tube amp, but sounds really ratty through the PA.  Is there a PA = screamer?

    Best,
    Adam

     

     

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Regards, Barrister John Benson Email:barr.jbenson01@yahoo.com.hk Phone:+44-701-113-0253 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 14:15:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73FFF3BECF; Sun, 25 May 2008 14:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c8be71$d2ef2910$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> <004201c8bd9b$089b11a0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:15:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C8BE82.956A80B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/s2EmhAIZa1xmK4GsGiKZ/rSpM63B7ptvFLsA GlDmNq0pWIM+9Anxk1l0a5tQO19H00vUsuwkcizJW240G4366d 5hp3ZhUYNrQb6RdwzDFPJuXDqn/2Ip2 Resent-Message-ID: <1kjuhC.A.PJH.ISXOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:15:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C8BE82.956A80B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi - i have played in front of a bose system w/solo bassflute and = loopers. great sound, no feedback problem. i was amazed. the guys seemed to be pretty quick in assembling it - it took definitely = less time than setting up a PA. tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Popperwell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Bose L1 i've always been interested in these, but they're very expensive and I = find myself wondering - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for = personal sound/monitoring onstage. - How they work with a number of signals going through them - using = them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician = approach. - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as part = of a multi-act line-up. I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 models = 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient drivers(?). Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could buy a = pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for the = price of one of these! Thoughts, experiences? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Gallaher=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped = solo blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert = stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into = the Bose line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a = long throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do = have a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use = it). My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier = than the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year = (along with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something = else. =20 I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars = through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH = Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this = goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads = the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also = amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet = behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds = back. I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when = making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on = top. Can't recommend it enough. =20 dave=20 =20 =20 www.microwavedave.com =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 =20 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has any = body ever used or own one before? =20 = http://www.bose.com/controller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musi= cians/index.jsp&src=3DMUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C8BE82.956A80B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    hi - i have played in front of a bose = system w/solo=20 bassflute and loopers.
    great sound, no feedback problem. i was = amazed.
    the guys seemed to be pretty quick in = assembling it=20 - it took definitely less time than setting up a PA.
     
    tilmann
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Ian=20 Popperwell
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 = 2:38=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Bose L1

    i've always been interested in these, but = they're very=20 expensive and I find myself wondering
     
    - how useful they are if just one member of a band = has one=20 for personal sound/monitoring onstage.
     
    - How they work with a number of signals going = through them=20 - using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per = musician=20 approach.
     
    - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you = are=20 playing as part of a multi-act line-up.
     
    I'm still not entirely sure of the differences = between the=20 L1 models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient=20 drivers(?).
    Are they so good that they are worth the = investment. You=20 could buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges = &=20 more for the price of one of these!
     
    Thoughts, experiences?
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Dave=20 Gallaher
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 = 5:38=20 PM
    Subject: RE: Bose L1

    I=92ve been using a Bose L1 = with two=20 subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since = 2004.  It=92s=20 a great system.  When on concert stages with sound = reinforcement, I=20 just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line out, not needing a=20 monitor.  The Bose subs do not have a long throw, but they will = get a=20 bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL 18=94 powered = subwoofer=20 for extra large rooms, but rarely use it).  My system is the = original=20 L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one shown on your=20 link.  I do about a hundred solos a year (along with 150+ band = dates)=20 and I=92ve never wished I was using something=20 else.

     

    I get compliments on the = sound at=20 every gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum = is a=20 Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave = adjustments to=20 create bass sounds=97all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops = through=20 an EDP.  The Bose spreads the mid and high frequencies in an = amazingly=20 broad pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the linear = radiator is=20 set up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in = front of=20 it, yet never feeds back.  I hear what the audience is hearing, = which=20 is a great help when making one-man-band loops with six or eight = layers of=20 bed and solos on top.  Can=92t recommend it=20 enough.

     

    dave=20

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From: JASON=20 CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent:     Monday, May 19, 2008 = 10:31=20 AM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose=20 L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through a = Bose L1=20 PA system has any body ever used or own one=20 before?

     

    http://www.bose.com/cont= roller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musicians/index.jsp&= src=3DMUSICIANS

    ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C8BE82.956A80B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 14:32:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FAE13BEDC; Sun, 25 May 2008 14:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c8be74$1c7e6b70$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <20080519163852.292603BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> <004201c8bd9b$089b11a0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> <007001c8be71$d2ef2910$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: Bose L1 Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:32:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8BE7C.7E10C6F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:32:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8BE7C.7E10C6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It sounds like there are mixed views of it in different settings, but = everyone seems to say it's very good for feedback rejection. I play = flute too and am always trying to get the best levels onstage without = feedback. Interesting. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tilmann Dehnhard=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Bose L1 hi - i have played in front of a bose system w/solo bassflute and = loopers. great sound, no feedback problem. i was amazed. the guys seemed to be pretty quick in assembling it - it took = definitely less time than setting up a PA. tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian Popperwell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Bose L1 i've always been interested in these, but they're very expensive and = I find myself wondering - how useful they are if just one member of a band has one for = personal sound/monitoring onstage. - How they work with a number of signals going through them - using = them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one per musician = approach. - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if you are playing as = part of a multi-act line-up. I'm still not entirely sure of the differences between the L1 models = 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient drivers(?). Are they so good that they are worth the investment. You could buy a = pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges & more for the = price of one of these! Thoughts, experiences? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Gallaher=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: RE: Bose L1 I've been using a Bose L1 with two subwoofers in my live & looped = solo blues/jam act since 2004. It's a great system. When on concert = stages with sound reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into = the Bose line out, not needing a monitor. The Bose subs do not have a = long throw, but they will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do = have a JBL 18" powered subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use = it). My system is the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier = than the one shown on your link. I do about a hundred solos a year = (along with 150+ band dates) and I've never wished I was using something = else. =20 I get compliments on the sound at every gig. I run my guitars = through a Vox Tonelab, my kickdrum is a Porchboard Bass and I use two EH = Micro Pog pedals for octave adjustments to create bass sounds-all this = goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and loops through an EDP. The Bose spreads = the mid and high frequencies in an amazingly broad pattern. Also = amazing is the fact that the linear radiator is set up about three feet = behind me, with an SM 58 vocal mic right in front of it, yet never feeds = back. I hear what the audience is hearing, which is a great help when = making one-man-band loops with six or eight layers of bed and solos on = top. Can't recommend it enough. =20 dave=20 =20 =20 www.microwavedave.com =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bose L1 =20 I'm thinking of sending my loops through a Bose L1 PA system has = any body ever used or own one before? =20 = http://www.bose.com/controller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musi= cians/index.jsp&src=3DMUSICIANS ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8BE7C.7E10C6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It sounds like there are mixed views of it in = different=20 settings, but everyone seems to say it's very good for feedback = rejection. I=20 play flute too and am always trying to get the best levels onstage = without=20 feedback. Interesting.
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tilmann=20 Dehnhard
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:15 = PM
    Subject: Re: Bose L1

    hi - i have played in front of a bose = system=20 w/solo bassflute and loopers.
    great sound, no feedback problem. i = was=20 amazed.
    the guys seemed to be pretty quick in = assembling=20 it - it took definitely less time than setting up a PA.
     
    tilmann
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Ian=20 Popperwell
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 = 2:38=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Bose L1

    i've always been interested in these, but = they're=20 very expensive and I find myself wondering
     
    - how useful they are if just one member of a = band has one=20 for personal sound/monitoring onstage.
     
    - How they work with a number of signals going = through=20 them - using them as a kind of PA in themselves - instead of the one = per=20 musician approach.
     
    - it's a lot of setting up and taking down if = you are=20 playing as part of a multi-act line-up.
     
    I'm still not entirely sure of the differences = between the=20 L1 models 1&2 - looks like the model 2 uses more efficient=20 drivers(?).
    Are they so good that they are worth the = investment. You=20 could buy a pair of good powered FOH speakers and a couple of wedges = &=20 more for the price of one of these!
     
    Thoughts, experiences?
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Dave=20 Gallaher
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 = 5:38=20 PM
    Subject: RE: Bose L1

    I=92ve been using a Bose = L1 with two=20 subwoofers in my live & looped solo blues/jam act since = 2004. =20 It=92s a great system.  When on concert stages with sound=20 reinforcement, I just tell the FOH guy to plug into the Bose line = out, not=20 needing a monitor.  The Bose subs do not have a long throw, = but they=20 will get a bass or kick out into a small area (I do have a JBL = 18=94 powered=20 subwoofer for extra large rooms, but rarely use it).  My = system is=20 the original L1, so it is bulkier, taller and heavier than the one = shown=20 on your link.  I do about a hundred solos a year (along with = 150+=20 band dates) and I=92ve never wished I was using something=20 else.

     

    I get compliments on the = sound at=20 every gig.  I run my guitars through a Vox Tonelab, my = kickdrum is a=20 Porchboard Bass and I use two EH Micro Pog pedals for octave = adjustments=20 to create bass sounds=97all this goes into a Mackie 1402 VLZ3 and = loops=20 through an EDP.  The Bose spreads the mid and high = frequencies in an=20 amazingly broad pattern.  Also amazing is the fact that the = linear=20 radiator is set up about three feet behind me, with an SM 58 vocal = mic=20 right in front of it, yet never feeds back.  I hear what the = audience=20 is hearing, which is a great help when making one-man-band loops = with six=20 or eight layers of bed and solos on top.  Can=92t recommend = it=20 enough.

     

    dave=20

     

     

    www.microwavedave.com

     

     

    From:=20 JASON CASKENTTE [mailto:jcaskenette@rogers.com]
    Sent:     Monday, May 19, 2008 = 10:31=20 AM
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Bose=20 L1

     

    I'm thinking of sending my loops through = a Bose L1=20 PA system has any body ever used or own one=20 before?

     

    http://www.bose.com/cont= roller?event=3DVIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=3D/musicians/index.jsp&= src=3DMUSICIANS

    ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C8BE7C.7E10C6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 15:35:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF2B3BECF; Sun, 25 May 2008 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Hamburg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080525073257.489E13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: OT: Getting that tube amp sound w/o a tube amp Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 08:35:40 -0700 References: <20080525073257.489E13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) If dealing with tubes is a problem, I also recommend trying the various Tech21 products. I use a SansAmp PSA-1, but the reviews in Guitar Player for their new amp modeling pedals were good. I used to use digital modelers and gave them up about five years ago for the SansAmp. The digital side has probably improved a lot since then, but I haven't been back to investigate. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 16:53:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 401D03BEC9; Sun, 25 May 2008 16:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ln+en9Oupu5DOJMHHa7NKGWqKm0gYhwEXSiqNu/hOlGN5zCBjEgDENgFWD6gwg0CGRw9xbhCfUPBU+F5fsmhdLAbRo+hYD2xUU/BQzaPOP2V3T6zH3mddx2lqf6bozaEB4DfHY5dy4IhmUUo4JIdfU1rkvI62FKzPANwAEtCzdQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: aTGTteQVM1kY3gioRss.KOxyVgqoz7P9V.N3qD0zxjJJWzzzU1StxPOuNd9tGTyG1md4AjGrx4hFMX1BzW4GYLmGgHJRvNszy8Y.1D3uSL7kKuo8GEMGP47zAzTDblOjTK6ONj7oftcse0gXiPcEkocx X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003a01c8be87$d1626c90$4301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: Subject: Re: gig spam: looping at the London Design Museum Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 17:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Some great sounds on your website! Cheers, Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Os" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: gig spam: looping at the London Design Museum > Friday 23 May 2008, 6:30pm > > The Design Museum, Shad Thames, London, SE1 2YD > > Andrew Booker (electronic drums) > Steve Lawson (bass) > Os (laptop) > + TBC one other > > see http://www.improvizone.com/post.php?id=159 > > > > cheers, > os. > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: > 21/05/2008 17:34 > > From nobody@s013.hostway.ro Sun May 25 17:27:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 37557 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 25 May 2008 17:27:27 UTC Received: from s013.hostway.ro (s013.hostway.ro [193.223.101.194]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080E63BEC8 for ; Sun, 25 May 2008 17:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nobody by s013.hostway.ro with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1K0AES-0000fI-2S for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 25 May 2008 10:01:28 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Internal Revenue Service X-PHP-Script: electronictudor.ro/hotel/flash/mailo.php for 69.15.91.210 From: Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 10:01:28 +0300 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - s013.hostway.ro X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - s013.hostway.ro X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: After the last annual calculations of your fiscal activity we have
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    On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description:
     
     


    ------=_Part_18784_7775411.1211746062859-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 21:07:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155763BED5; Sun, 25 May 2008 21:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4839D52C.80307@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:07:56 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Boise Experimental Music Festival wrote: > Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the guitar > to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise > Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description: > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm Thanks for sharing Kripen. The guitar is beautiful and looks like it will be a really wonderful instrument. Congratulations! - Sam From noreply@s1.orangedistrict.com Sun May 25 22:29:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from s1.orangedistrict.com (s1.orangedistrict.com [84.244.134.104]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79443BECA for ; Sun, 25 May 2008 22:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s1.orangedistrict.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m4PMTCJc026954 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:29:12 +0200 Received: (from test@localhost) by s1.orangedistrict.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id m4PMTCV4026949; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:29:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:29:12 +0200 Message-Id: <200805252229.m4PMTCV4026949@s1.orangedistrict.com> X-Authentication-Warning: s1.orangedistrict.com: test set sender to noreply@s1.orangedistrict.com using -f To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: money received From: MoneyBookers Content-Type: text/html X-unconfigured-debian-site-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-unconfigured-debian-site-MailScanner: Not scanned X-unconfigured-debian-site-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-MailScanner-From: noreply@s1.orangedistrict.com X-MailScanner-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 22:45:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FCD13BED6; Sun, 25 May 2008 22:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:45:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0201_01C8BE86.CBC416E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:45:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C8BE86.CBC416E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is standard pitch, and standard tuning. I would not be able to go = with standard pitch if the scale were any shorter than it is now (50cm). Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I forget if you'd mentioned this previously--are you planning on = tuning to standard pitch, and what guages are you planning on using? TH On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival = wrote: Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the = guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise = Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C8BE86.CBC416E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It is standard pitch, and standard = tuning. I would=20 not be able to go with standard pitch if the scale were any shorter than = it is=20 now (50cm).
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
     I=20 forget if you'd mentioned this previously--are you planning on tuning = to=20 standard pitch, and what guages are you planning on = using?

    TH

    On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise = Experimental=20 Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> = wrote:
    Well, it's now 99% complete. The = luthier will=20 be fed ex'ing the guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time = to play=20 it at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new = pictures and=20 description:
     
    http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm<= /A>
     


    ------=_NextPart_000_0201_01C8BE86.CBC416E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 25 22:58:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFFEA3BED8; Sun, 25 May 2008 22:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 16:58:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0213_01C8BE88.99D9DA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:58:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0213_01C8BE88.99D9DA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. String guage is 12s. The D'Addario Chromes, flatwounds. However, = I may go to 13s. The stiffer and fatter the better. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Boise Experimental Music Festival=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little = Mammoth") It is standard pitch, and standard tuning. I would not be able to go = with standard pitch if the scale were any shorter than it is now (50cm). Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I forget if you'd mentioned this previously--are you planning on = tuning to standard pitch, and what guages are you planning on using? TH On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival = wrote: Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the = guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise = Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0213_01C8BE88.99D9DA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Sorry. String guage is 12s. The = D'Addario Chromes,=20 flatwounds. However, I may go to 13s. The stiffer and fatter the=20 better.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:45 = PM
    Subject: Re: OT: Update on my = mini jazz=20 archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth")

    It is standard pitch, and standard = tuning. I=20 would not be able to go with standard pitch if the scale were any = shorter than=20 it is now (50cm).
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
     I=20 forget if you'd mentioned this previously--are you planning on = tuning to=20 standard pitch, and what guages are you planning on = using?

    TH

    On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:13 PM, Boise = Experimental=20 Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> = wrote:
    Well, it's now 99% complete. The = luthier will=20 be fed ex'ing the guitar to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time = to play=20 it at the Boise Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new = pictures=20 and description:
     
    http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm<= /A>
     


    ------=_NextPart_000_0213_01C8BE88.99D9DA00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 00:18:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B583BEDB; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ECIl0rLXrYE6H+84Rldh4fKxaluE4q1ZkDSkGPh+rms=; b=GQqtUNNrRvOVdAMCQtPsjzwXC0XArDg/R3QZ4EanZfnmbvHI7j4fpTXAK/8k2yYFjQhHQr+UzwvBQMxgLOiYfCY9R/j7OSVzdEdb01drfinJiePgKllgzRewdjdfidO8pzw/IW9nfy4d58eir5VaukAt4zmxdhCZ3NLMEXuftUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jLSMdKoKuQXklBTjEjQSHdqrI3fqiunWlHl7GkcZrk9QgSsVm8u/imQuaxqmmU1ql18FlXOrT6fKBXbBMGD0oLG4NJ3DH3dsFyIhUPyJZjpdi3ZW8iRum5Up1YpwHJwgKMS82cUaa4Wsb0boAaBOvw09qmcYH5fY0RBQX3IQ7UQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 17:18:02 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") In-Reply-To: <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19141_13773884.1211761082850" References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:18:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19141_13773884.1211761082850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very interesting. I've got a 485mm scale Breedlove Passport strung with 13's, but it's also tuned a fourth higher. I've also done a lot of playing on 610mm scale Larrivee parlor guitars, which I also string with 13's at standard. The 12's it shipped with were a bit slinky for an acoustic. And then at the other end of the range, there's the 736mm scale Tacoma Baritone which goes from 17 to 70, a fourth down from standard. It's interesting how dinky a regular guitar sounds after you've gotten used to that, which emphasizes the somwhat arbitrary nature of "standard" scale and pitch these days. TH On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > Sorry. String guage is 12s. The D'Addario Chromes, flatwounds. However, I > may go to 13s. The stiffer and fatter the better. > > Kris > > ------=_Part_19141_13773884.1211761082850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very interesting.  I've got a 485mm scale Breedlove Passport strung with 13's, but it's also tuned a fourth higher.  I've also  done a lot of playing on 610mm scale Larrivee parlor guitars, which I also string with 13's at standard.  The 12's it shipped with were a bit slinky for an acoustic.  And then at the other end of the range, there's the 736mm scale Tacoma Baritone which goes from 17 to 70, a fourth down from standard.  It's interesting how dinky a regular guitar sounds after you've gotten used to that, which emphasizes the somwhat arbitrary nature of "standard" scale and pitch these days.

    TH

    On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Sorry. String guage is 12s. The D'Addario Chromes, flatwounds. However, I may go to 13s. The stiffer and fatter the better.
     
    Kris


    ------=_Part_19141_13773884.1211761082850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 00:55:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 101D53BED0; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023a01c8becb$38f4e070$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 18:55:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0237_01C8BE98.ED9DFE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 00:55:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C8BE98.ED9DFE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it is very interesting. The scale and neck length on this guitar = was designed after the Epi "Roadie" I have, which is why we ended up = with 50cm rather than a standard inch measurement, or 19 3/4". The 12's = seem to work well on the Epi, and even though I haven't played the new = guitar yet, Bobby says the neck is super fast and low action. That was = one of my requirements. He says the strings are almost touching the = frets and there is no buzzing. That's what you get when you pay for a = hand made neck, I guess. :) I stil may put 13's on it, though. We'll = see.=20 You are right on with the comment on the sound. Bobby says this guitar = easily competes with the tone of a larger jazz guitar. So yes, you have = to wonder why more people don't play smaller guitars, especially given = the real estate you save in narrowing the fret distance...you can play = quicker and move around more efficiently.=20 Now, I have this 6 string mandolin that I play on occasion, tuned an = octave up from standard guitar tuning. I've been thinking of installing = a neck humbucker on that thing and seeing how it sounds...still thin and = like a mandolin, I suppose. It has 12s on it too. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little = Mammoth") Very interesting. I've got a 485mm scale Breedlove Passport strung = with 13's, but it's also tuned a fourth higher. I've also done a lot = of playing on 610mm scale Larrivee parlor guitars, which I also string = with 13's at standard. The 12's it shipped with were a bit slinky for = an acoustic. And then at the other end of the range, there's the 736mm = scale Tacoma Baritone which goes from 17 to 70, a fourth down from = standard. It's interesting how dinky a regular guitar sounds after = you've gotten used to that, which emphasizes the somwhat arbitrary = nature of "standard" scale and pitch these days. TH On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Boise Experimental Music Festival = wrote: Sorry. String guage is 12s. The D'Addario Chromes, flatwounds. = However, I may go to 13s. The stiffer and fatter the better. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C8BE98.ED9DFE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Yes, it is very interesting. The scale = and neck=20 length on this guitar was designed after the Epi "Roadie" I have, which = is why=20 we ended up with 50cm rather than a standard inch measurement, or 19 = 3/4". =20 The 12's seem to work well on the Epi, and even though I haven't played = the new=20 guitar yet, Bobby says the neck is super fast and low action. That was = one of my=20 requirements. He says the strings are almost touching the frets and = there is no=20 buzzing.  That's what you get when you pay for a hand made neck, I = guess.=20 :)  I stil may put 13's on it, though. We'll see.
     
    You are right on with the comment on = the sound.=20 Bobby says this guitar easily competes with the tone of  a larger = jazz=20 guitar. So yes, you have to wonder why more people don't play smaller = guitars,=20 especially given the real estate you save in narrowing the fret = distance...you=20 can play quicker and move around more efficiently.
     
    Now, I have this 6 string mandolin that = I play on=20 occasion, tuned an octave up from standard guitar tuning. I've been = thinking of=20 installing a neck humbucker on that thing and seeing how it = sounds...still thin=20 and like a mandolin, I suppose.  It has 12s on it too.
     
    Kris
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Travis Hartnett
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 6:18 = PM
    Subject: Re: OT: Update on my = mini jazz=20 archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth")

    Very interesting.  I've got a 485mm scale = Breedlove=20 Passport strung with 13's, but it's also tuned a fourth higher.  = I've=20 also  done a lot of playing on 610mm scale Larrivee parlor = guitars, which=20 I also string with 13's at standard.  The 12's it shipped with = were a bit=20 slinky for an acoustic.  And then at the other end of the range, = there's=20 the 736mm scale Tacoma Baritone which goes from 17 to 70, a fourth = down from=20 standard.  It's interesting how dinky a regular guitar sounds = after=20 you've gotten used to that, which emphasizes the somwhat arbitrary = nature of=20 "standard" scale and pitch these days.

    TH

    On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Boise = Experimental=20 Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> = wrote:
    Sorry. String guage is 12s. The = D'Addario=20 Chromes, flatwounds. However, I may go to 13s. The stiffer and = fatter the=20 better.
     
    Kris
    =


    ------=_NextPart_000_0237_01C8BE98.ED9DFE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 03:51:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4203BEC0; Mon, 26 May 2008 03:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483A33B2.8070808@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:51:14 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 03:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Really really beautiful instrument, Krispen. Can't wait to hear it Sunday!! Nobody, but nobody, is ever going to out-vintage the nut on that axe. Awesome. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Well, it's now 99% complete. The luthier will be fed ex'ing the guitar > to me on Tuesday, overnight, just in time to play it at the Boise > Experimental Music Festival. Check out the new pictures and description: > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/mini-jazz-guitar/index.htm > > An excerpt that really makes this guitar special.... > > /"The story behind this nut is just amazing and mind-blowing. A friend > of Bobby's from Alaska sent him a good size chunk of Woolly Mammoth > tusk, which you can see below. Just to jog your memory, mammoths went > extinct roughly 10,000 years ago. Hence, the ivory nut on this guitar > is an actual artifact! I was born in Alaska, and because of this, the > size of the guitar, and its "big guitar sized" tone reported by Bobby, > I named the guitar the "The Little Mammoth.""/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 08:49:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83F6A3BEC7; Mon, 26 May 2008 08:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 21107112/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.205.210 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.205.210 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmwBAFoWOkhPTs3S/2dsb2JhbAAIq3eCWA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,541,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="21107112" Message-ID: <483A7985.5090407@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:49:09 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <023a01c8becb$38f4e070$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <023a01c8becb$38f4e070$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Boise Experimental Music Festival wrote: > You are right on with the comment on the sound. Bobby says this guitar > easily competes with the tone of a larger jazz guitar. So yes, you have > to wonder why more people don't play smaller guitars, especially given > the real estate you save in narrowing the fret distance...you can play > quicker and move around more efficiently. > I'd have thought that the short scale wouldn't allow the production of strong basslines. (well, not the way I play anyway ;-) It's inspiring to see you getting your ideal instrument made, and I'm looking forward to hearing it. My ideal would have a flat (no curvature) neck and scalloped frets, ...and you got me thinking that it's a possibility :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 09:30:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75D383BEA2; Mon, 26 May 2008 09:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I0p86XBC7f6NRRxKCApANUrRlxYYdYLjI2chpppo6d1UCJDLNI1yOvwG/xtdX3FK; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: From: Cara Quinn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v922.1) Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 02:30:42 -0700 References: <20080523071038.yjpdcjd28k00oo8g@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <8AF48F24-1322-4497-8680-4C91FB22E26B@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.922.1) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609de75e7cc809970c95cca2ebeecbc8d85548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.94.193.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Mech, thanks very much. Needing to sift through the forum archives like that is a bit =20 tedious, to say the least, when all one needs is a list, but I know =20 you obviously didn't create that situation; :) and again, I surely, =20 very much appreciate the link pointing me in the right direction! You =20= ROCK!=85 Out of curiosity, which pitch shifter are you using? I'm using a =20 Digitech Studio Vocalist EX for pitch / timbre effects at the moment, =20= with my EDP. Thanks very much for the response and hope you had a great weekend!=85 Smiles, Cara :) On May 24, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Mech wrote: > At 12:52 PM -0700 5/24/08, Cara Quinn wrote: >> >> I dl'ed the manual but as you said, it's a bit out of date. >> There's got to be a list somewhere of the complete feature set with =20= >> all the current updates taken into account. > > Not really. :( > > Your best bet is to go through the release notes for each update =20 > under this thread: = http://www.looperlative.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=3D6&sid=3D998c8bda08bfe= 01f292b5005e48fbf02 > > The first post gives a listing of the new features rolled out under =20= > each release -- usually only four or five items. It's a bit of a =20 > pain, but once you start going through them it's not as irritating =20 > as you'd initially think. > >> * Does the current Upgrade offer time stretching / pitch variance? =20= >> (as with the Repeater) > > As Kevin explained, the LP-1 will do time/pitch variance. However, =20= > as a past Repeater user, you should be aware that the Looperlative =20 > implements simple "tape-delay" style stretching -- where both loop =20 > time and pitch shift are tied together -- like that found on devices =20= > such as the DL-4. It won't do independent time domain or =20 > independent pitch domain manipulation like you get on the Repeater. =20= > Although you're not stuck with only half-speed or double-speed (like =20= > many loopers) since you can use controller/pedal data with the LP-1 =20= > to access all the "in-between steps". > > For most purposes this is fine, but there is a workaround if you =20 > have to have Repeater-style functionality. I use an external pitch =20= > shifting unit attached directly to one of the sets of aux outs for =20 > such effects. Obviously, for pitch shift all I need to do is route =20= > the signal to the pitch shifter. For time stretch, I'll use the =20 > LP-1's pitch/time shifting, then use the external pitch shifter to =20 > re-align the loop back to its original pitch. With this technique, =20= > only the time domain gets messed with. > > It's fairly simple with a good MIDI pedal and a little time spent =20 > programming (although you do need to budget for another external box =20= > to do the pitch shift). > > --m. > --=20 > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of =20 > murder... later" > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn From linda.hills01@yahoo.de Mon May 26 10:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 13533 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:43:07 UTC Received: from km22231-05.keymachine.de (ns.km22231-05.keymachine.de [87.118.102.169]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09EF3BE94; Mon, 26 May 2008 10:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (ml82.128.18.254.multilinks.com [82.128.18.254]) by km22231-05.keymachine.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E235634563D0; Mon, 26 May 2008 08:55:26 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: From: "OFFICE OF THE SENATE HOUSE" Subject: RE:Immediate release of ATM DEBIT Cash Card Payment Notification . 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 14:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258933BECC; Mon, 26 May 2008 14:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039301c8bf3c$a58726a0$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <017601c8be2e$7ac3e250$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <020401c8beb9$16f98e60$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <021601c8beba$e5034390$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <023a01c8becb$38f4e070$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <483A7985.5090407@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Update on my mini jazz archtop guitar ("The Little Mammoth") Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:27:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Scalloped frets...hmmmm. Delicious, especially with butter and garlic. I agree. I've been intrigued by scalleped frets for some time, actually every since I heard John McLaughlin. I think I am going to scallop the frets on my Epi Roadie, the other mini guitar. There is something about the attack of notes on a scalloped neck that sounds very human and vocal like. For example, when John plays, his notes start just a bit sharp and then are on pitch in a few nanoseconds...I'm assuming because if you press down on the string harder it raises the pitch, sort of like on the giant frets of a sitar. Its really interesting. Kris > Boise Experimental Music Festival wrote: > >> You are right on with the comment on the sound. Bobby says this guitar >> easily competes with the tone of a larger jazz guitar. So yes, you have >> to wonder why more people don't play smaller guitars, especially given >> the real estate you save in narrowing the fret distance...you can play >> quicker and move around more efficiently. >> > > I'd have thought that the short scale wouldn't allow the production of > strong basslines. > (well, not the way I play anyway ;-) > > It's inspiring to see you getting your ideal instrument made, > and I'm looking forward to hearing it. > > My ideal would have a flat (no curvature) neck and scalloped frets, > ...and you got me thinking that it's a possibility :-) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 15:41:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3E33BEC4; Mon, 26 May 2008 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03bb01c8bf46$e9f67c00$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Boise Experimental Music Festival" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <629226.41490.qm@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: guitar - koto and looping Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:41:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) It's an interesting pairing. 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Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 16:27:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F9E3BEC0; Mon, 26 May 2008 16:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NV+rvyPWhBwenSt2CakGm6z0RjFBT6EO+Us9q5Nh1kk=; b=E7SqLy0C61d/cOOtJO2kFYhfsvFbN3yXXYHqZcaRiZxAhsWJxWTie1TwEGtae5m6veEcpH9tvHq51fqOXobaRv1obtV0oI5Ip8GhTN1hqvOsDnssAakzDj9EDtrQtep8+DdeQ+uLoVCAJKIdqBbW/TCwYI+L6OroiiGg5VKyIMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c8DcIGAh+Sbuik/NPXa4tRYuyg/7QpdhUvmmnnJ2Kyuy/+6mL6amEGJc8OzYSLEV1Zh0dNPTsprsTjbY+WdbRhdc0LNkgp77/QFpKHm7te8XVpfv0aVTGFrAp+R/CaZWhwDZ7bzZ6QtinDbIkm8i5lnyeklv0lKL/RGhiAZsG/c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:27:19 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: guitar - koto and looping In-Reply-To: <03bb01c8bf46$e9f67c00$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_950_1541475.1211819239568" References: <629226.41490.qm@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <03bb01c8bf46$e9f67c00$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:27:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_950_1541475.1211819239568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Some friends of mine in Seattle have a guitar/koto project with looping: http://www.myspace.com/thesolarisproject And I used to have this Henry Kaiser guitar/koto/percussion album on vinyl, it was pretty free, but no looping: http://www.henrykaiser.net/invitethespirit.html TH On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Boise Experimental Music Festival < khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > It's an interesting pairing. Henry Kaiser (guitar) did something similar > with Danielle DeGruttol (cello), and Miya Ma (koto). It is a bit more free > and improvisational than the video below. The CD is called Seance, but is is > out of print. Danielle sent me a copy, and it is quite good. I was > inspired by it and put a trio of the same nature together here in Boise - > guitar, koto, cello. I didn't do a lot of looping though. I found it > redundant and didn't allow enough space in the music. > > ------=_Part_950_1541475.1211819239568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Some friends of mine in Seattle have a guitar/koto project with looping:

    http://www.myspace.com/thesolarisproject 

    And I used to have this Henry Kaiser guitar/koto/percussion album on vinyl, it was pretty free, but no looping:

    http://www.henrykaiser.net/invitethespirit.html



    TH

    On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Boise Experimental Music Festival <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    It's an interesting pairing. Henry Kaiser (guitar) did something similar with Danielle DeGruttol (cello), and Miya Ma (koto). It is a bit more free and improvisational than the video below. The CD is called Seance, but is is out of print.  Danielle sent me a copy, and it is quite good.  I was inspired by it and put a trio of the same nature together here in Boise - guitar, koto, cello. I didn't do a lot of looping though. I found it redundant and didn't allow enough space in the music.


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Tax ID : GDQFPKVUCRNPEEUXFPJVPGRDVJGMJSPBBTNQHZ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 17:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7187D3BECA; Mon, 26 May 2008 17:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:13:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:21:04 +0000 (UTC) At 5:54 PM +0200 5/16/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >The job of an artist is more about impressing the audience with your >personal expression, something the don't know yet. If its an >audience of musicians its a bit harder but also more rewarding... Ah, wouldn't it be nice if we could thrive commercially by thriving artistically. Keller Williams in the June 2008 issue of Acoustic Guitar magazine (the cover story!): >I can totally relate to the songwriters who've had pain and are >going through hard times, and I can totally relate to how that comes >out in their music. But as an audience member, I didn't want to hear >about people's problems. When I went out I wanted to be entertained, >I wanted to be taken away from my problems. So I always try to stay >on the lighter side of things. Keller draws much bigger crowds that I ever will, most likely. Is it because my songs delve into darker themes? Or is it because he fills the stage (literally) with musical instruments and builds catchy, funky grooves with them (and mouth percussion)? I don't know. But I ain't gonna make myself more like Keller in hopes of getting better gigs. I'm going to keep doing what I do, which relies heavily on looping but isn't primarily about looping. I don't think it's wise to completely ignore what your audience might be expecting, and I do adjust my presentation to the context. But ultimately, I feel I have to make them come to me at least as much as I bring it to them; ideally, the former. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 17:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B415E3BEE1; Mon, 26 May 2008 17:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <101191640805201124y7e8ad6bev7a43df55dfc21cd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> <58A4A4D4-E7F0-40A5-BCDF-0EE687674D46@mac.com> <20080519091906.298580@gmx.net> <4831ED79.3090100@pa.msu.edu> <101191640805201124y7e8ad6bev7a43df55dfc21cd7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:18:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: <0KSq_B.A.enF.BGvOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:21:05 +0000 (UTC) At 2:24 PM -0400 5/20/08, Warren Sirota wrote: > >I just wish it were easier to find more smart audiences and settings! Ay-fuckin'-men. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 18:29:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56DF53BEC7; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 26 May 2008 18:29:21 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fVyp3ECJrPFeEeQUapdEjt9QQ+W9vFFUkB5E5VzlD8xoDxMU2OF2C5ouUkDdN3U9JCWvb6ce/hoV9RRZ24vBixvaptKVYf+lSDhB3MIOhjNtUOWubpIJmPkjwGLO9FaHfLv5lIcuzo0qqMXUtLbmUxUp+7qkVZ4+pEioFVp4Czs=; X-YMail-OSG: HwsE5_QVM1lAedLswtuFi0S6OZfoCtuYkVvykmC7Zof1oE4fQ5K40qBcRpd0cWJyKG5nD92Spf6HLZ67Blvcsmp4TKf_xttMyajHWKIicPLf71Nf7WyFILGC34o- Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700 (PDT) From: sPaCe mOnKeY Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1935781055-1211826160=:52230" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:29:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-1935781055-1211826160=:52230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve. I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are: 1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful. 2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs? My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong. Any tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! --0-1935781055-1211826160=:52230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello,

    I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.

    I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are:

    1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful.

    2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs?

    My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong.

    Any tips will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!

    --0-1935781055-1211826160=:52230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 19:05:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557A23BEC7; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=khd68vaE1m1Js/qMAW/VZnHSsebRE0G+Wiicf659F+U=; b=HZ7E4+UDt9EcF2q4veXbCt3CEkcgcBLTYzoZe52e3oeAcC5FUVArO/8t50WGFNqS8P2Bzkw/B2xSMt2LoHCBWYSOChGzsfenHO6v5+pvMGkMbvHo1bG+BLAfONyhCKtAaibuiltFSm0xW373uw9eefBAn5tCaQcJjRFLVO68Hc0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cpA/3yXwlaioaRqbDUKNi/KNeM7Gfcf35yaDJSZHfM0i22P9vFdipTFrFppLBn7mdm22gBbhJ4lUtOcS6G8+7blkVWsCu6FrpjQ6ubcF7mQpzsosFzbZE8yIWjULubny/DhGWvldqNUmmp0/Ox2I9D/Gct/n8W5HwIGb3RE+sQY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805261205w5435907fge5af846b0716d4ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:05:07 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help In-Reply-To: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <866V4D.A.lhB.lnwOIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Ableton Live is a good software for making static loops on-the-fly and going into tempo changes. The way to go would be to prepare Live's session view for your song structure and simply record the stuff into clips that will continue looping. For tempo changes you type the new tempo into the master track slot, which will then affect the tempo when you select that cell (and the "scene"). This concept is used by Kid Beyond. A bad bad side might be that you will have to use some sort of cue, or click, before you lay down the first loop. Myself I rather use the free looping software Mobius in Windows XP (booting a MacBook into XP by Apple's BootCamp). The reasons for my choice are two: (1) I can overdub multiple layers into one single loop and (2) I can record the first loop without any cue or click-track. The looper analyzes the first loop you create, extracts the BPB and sends out a sync signal so other gear or software effect plug-ins may sync to the beat. The default version of Mobius is eight tracks. Each track can hold an unlimited number of loops, but only one loop per track can play at the same time. You can overdub an unlimited number of audio layers into a loop. You can run parallel loops of different lengths on the eight tracks. The way to go into a new song part is to kick the command "Next Loop". If you are using four parallel loops (for different instruments) you may set those four tracks into "Focus Mode" to have the "Next Loop" command affect all those tracks rather than only the selected track. I guess Tempo changes are difficult to achieve in Mobius. I change tempo by destructively cutting down the loop length, but that only works if you are working with just one track. There is a cool looper hardware called the Looperlative (google web site and forum to read up). It has eight tracks, but in its recent software state it doesn't permit the user to have many loops stored in each track (to jump between). So to go between different song parts with the Looperlative you need to set up a pedal that mutes one track and unmutes another one. That's possible though. Per On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM, sPaCe mOnKeY wrote: > Hello, > > I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years > now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've > finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my > questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have > a clear idea of what I hope to achieve. > > I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - > complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play > and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, > guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all > that. My questions are: > > 1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve > this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep > me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, > set-up suggestions) would also be helpful. > > 2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, > etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to > the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs? > > My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have > tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may > throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if > I'm wrong. > > Any tips will be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 19:06:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71CB03BED5; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: References: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <006301c8bf63$8b4e6f60$a1eb4e20$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C8BF28.DEEF9760" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci/XmwC37xFY0I7T6ORUuKj9EJQmAABQO8A Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:06:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C8BF28.DEEF9760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pretty sure the only looper that can do the timing changes (and your other requests) is the Electrix Repeater. Discontinued but you could probably score one on ebay. From: sPaCe mOnKeY [mailto:spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Hello, I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve. I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are: 1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful. 2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs? My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong. Any tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C8BF28.DEEF9760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I’m pretty sure the only looper that can do the = timing changes (and your other requests) is the Electrix Repeater.  Discontinued = but you could probably score one on ebay.

     

    From:= sPaCe = mOnKeY [mailto:spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:23 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help

     

    Hello,

    I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of = years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but = I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of = my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I = have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.

    I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to = play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, = guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. = My questions are:

    1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve = this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep = me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful.

    2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, = bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song = to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire = songs?

    My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to = have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may = throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if = I'm wrong.

    Any tips will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C8BF28.DEEF9760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 19:15:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A62693BECC; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_416fed6a-68bf-4649-a511-5dccd5b2afee_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.234.239] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:15:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2008 19:15:20.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6D02860:01C8BF64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:15:21 +0000 (UTC) --_416fed6a-68bf-4649-a511-5dccd5b2afee_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi spacemonkey =20 glad to have another member in our tribe!! =20 theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will tr= y and give you a more Philisophical take on advice. =20 To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific and = uniqie set of constraints. =20 For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down the more I c= an consentrate on being creative with the remaining variables. =20 to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with many l= ayers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chor= us/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods such as variations in = tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;) =20 I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent man= y years trying to find one man band looping solutions to all of the same i= deas you are having. =20 some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can be= done with just one piece of equipment that I know of. I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise al= l of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you = an idea of how intrinsically difficult what you are aiming for will be. =20 as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of evolution f= orm delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra fu= nctions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was= happy for a while) =20 this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add mul= tiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3. =20 I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only 16 = regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section laggin= g to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a mi= cro korg synth....etc etc etc =20 I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys worth= but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment = looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!! =20 AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest withmyself = and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple Guitar>Zoom= > DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it =20 these days many are going the software route and should imagine this would = be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as thing= s WILL always get better. =20 anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun Phill MyOneManBand Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.comSubject:= Looping Beginner Seeks HelpTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comHello,I'= ve been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years n= ow, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've fi= nally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my q= uestions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have= a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.I want to be able to play one-man-b= and performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, ch= oruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic = or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wa= cky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are:1. What looping equi= pment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, b= ut I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long = run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) woul= d also be helpful.2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-choru= s, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segmen= ts of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of perfor= ming entire songs?My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, = but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I = assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but plea= se let me know if I'm wrong.Any tips will be appreciated.Thanks in advance! _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on = eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/= --_416fed6a-68bf-4649-a511-5dccd5b2afee_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi spacemonkey
     
    glad to have another member in our tribe!!
     
    theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will tr= y and give you a more Philisophical take on advice.
     
    To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific and = uniqie set of constraints.
     
    For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down the more I c= an consentrate on being creative with the remaining variables.
     
    to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with many l= ayers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chor= us/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods such as variations in = tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;)
     
    I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent man= y years trying to find one man band  looping solutions to all of the s= ame ideas you are having.
     
    some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can be= done with just one piece of equipment that I know of.
    I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise al= l of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you = an idea of how intrinsically difficult  what you are aiming for will b= e.
     
    as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of evolution f= orm delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra fu= nctions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was= happy for a while)
     
    this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add mul= tiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3.
     
    I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only 16 = regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section laggin= g to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a mi= cro korg synth....etc etc etc
     
    I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys worth= but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment = looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!!
     
    AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest withmyself = and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple Guitar>Z= oom> DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it
     
    these days many are going the software route and should imagine this would = be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as thing= s WILL always get better.
     
    anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun

    Phill MyOneManBand
    Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700
    From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com
    = Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= .com

    Hello,

    I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com fo= r the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past m= ailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own = looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any loopi= ng equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.
    I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - co= mplete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play an= d loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guita= r, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. M= y questions are:

    1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would= be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a q= uality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for access= ories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful.

    2. Ho= w can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.= ? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the o= ther on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs?
    <= BR>My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to h= ave tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may= throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know = if I'm wrong.

    Any tips will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance= !


    Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! = --_416fed6a-68bf-4649-a511-5dccd5b2afee_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 19:55:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E6A23BEDE; Mon, 26 May 2008 19:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: References: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: <007101c8bf67$623498d0$269dca70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C8BF2C.B5D5C0D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aci/ZNpKncVrCxFlTHeJq3/eFlRDIwAALfsw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:39:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C8BF2C.B5D5C0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, but a "band" has "people" and frankly I've had it up to here with them. Horrible or no warrantees, unreliable, no good upgrade path. Who needs 'em? Kidding aside (I have great jams with friends) I've seen enough "one man (and woman) bands" to know that not only is it possible but pretty easy with today's equipment. My pal Andrew (Andrew? Are you listening!?) aka Kid Beyond does amazing one man band shows using only his mouth, a midi controller, audio interface and a laptop running Live. Other great acts I've seen doing pop styled songs are Brian Kenny Fresno (Lexicon JamMan) and !LOOPSTATION!.. who I think use. a Loopstation! I find that what Per said (Mobius inside of Ableton Live) will do everything you said you want except one thing and that's what I mentioned earlier: tempo change. Change your tempo in Live is possible but Live won't let you do overdubs and <100% feedback with your loops, so that's where Mobius comes in and it won't chase your tempo change. Only the Repeater will do this (and keep the pitch constant). Frankly I say as much fun as that can be, ditch that function it and go with a laptop rig. Electrix is gone forever so getting any service or updates from them is impossible. Mark From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:15 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Hi spacemonkey glad to have another member in our tribe!! theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will try and give you a more Philisophical take on advice. To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific and uniqie set of constraints. For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down the more I can consentrate on being creative with the remaining variables. to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with many layers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chorus/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods such as variations in tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;) I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent many years trying to find one man band looping solutions to all of the same ideas you are having. some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can be done with just one piece of equipment that I know of. I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise all of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you an idea of how intrinsically difficult what you are aiming for will be. as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of evolution form delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra functions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was happy for a while) this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add multiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3. I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only 16 regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section lagging to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a micro korg synth....etc etc etc I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys worth but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!! AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest withmyself and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple Guitar>Zoom> DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it these days many are going the software route and should imagine this would be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as things WILL always get better. anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun Phill MyOneManBand _____ Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700 From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve. I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are: 1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful. 2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs? My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong. Any tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! _____ Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C8BF2C.B5D5C0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Yeah, but a “band” has “people” = and frankly I’ve had it up to here with them.  Horrible or no = warrantees, unreliable, no good upgrade path.  Who needs ‘em?  =

     

    Kidding aside (I have great jams with friends) I’ve = seen enough “one man (and woman) bands” to know that not only is = it possible but pretty easy with today’s equipment.  My pal = Andrew (Andrew?  Are you listening!?) aka Kid Beyond does amazing one man = band shows using only his mouth, a midi controller, audio interface and a = laptop running Live.  Other great acts I’ve seen doing pop styled = songs are Brian Kenny Fresno (Lexicon JamMan) and !LOOPSTATION!.. who I think = use… a Loopstation!

     

    I find that what Per said (Mobius inside of Ableton Live) = will do everything you said you want except one thing and that’s what I mentioned earlier: tempo change.  Change your tempo in Live is = possible but Live won’t let you do overdubs and <100% feedback with your = loops, so that’s where Mobius comes in and it won’t chase your = tempo change.  Only the Repeater will do this (and keep the pitch = constant).

     

    Frankly I say as much fun as that can be, ditch that = function it and go with a laptop rig.  Electrix is gone forever so getting any = service or updates from them is impossible.

     

    Mark

     

    From:= phillip = wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:15 PM
    To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help

     


    Hi spacemonkey
     
    glad to have another member in our tribe!!
     
    theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will = try and give you a more Philisophical take on advice.
     
    To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific = and uniqie set of constraints.
     
    For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down = the more I can consentrate on being creative with the remaining = variables.
     
    to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with = many layers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chorus/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods = such as variations in tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;)
     
    I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent = many years trying to find one man band  looping solutions to all of the = same ideas you are having.
     
    some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can = be done with just one piece of equipment that I know of.
    I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise = all of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you an = idea of how intrinsically difficult  what you are aiming for will = be.
     
    as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of = evolution form delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra = functions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was happy = for a while)
     
    this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add multiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3.
     
    I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only = 16 regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section = lagging to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a = micro korg synth....etc etc etc
     
    I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys = worth but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment = looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!!
     
    AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest = withmyself and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple = Guitar>Zoom> DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it
     
    these days many are going the software route and should imagine this = would be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as things = WILL always get better.
     
    anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun

    Phill MyOneManBand

    Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 = -0700
    From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com
    Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

    Hello,

    I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of = years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but = I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of = my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I = have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.

    I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to = play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, = guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. = My questions are:

    1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve = this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep = me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful.

    2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, = bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song = to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire = songs?

    My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to = have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may = throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if = I'm wrong.

    Any tips will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!

     <= /o:p>

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Join the i=92m Initiativ= e from Microsoft. = --_c3835ed2-5dec-4ecf-b7a8-18b573a8d24a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 21:30:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D173BED0; Mon, 26 May 2008 21:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080526163052.15fengqeps084k4w@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:30:52 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: is using Pre-recorded Loops Cheating References: <20080516070352.3425B3BE99@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080516085453.M49732@cruzio.com> <20080516075750.qxd12upfoggocg84@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <482DAE47.4060409@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com} DomainKey-Status: no signature Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Quoting David Gans : > > I ain't gonna make myself more like Keller in hopes > of getting better gigs... > Of course, if you happen to like Keller's style, you could imitate it and hope that you fail so badly that you end up with your own sound! :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 26 21:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373743BED6; Mon, 26 May 2008 21:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jgVvo25L8SpYsmMsYMkSr6OlK5sjh01DMxVpigDjr7iozyFtFmoX4pqelilgvN9LUxSY1ICyABIcKQAoNNGvIQTgSBnfDsMB4LTTcbY2JLlIQaSi7lZHxtyRDq8jKIsTsNCR3S8vIM0RaJs1cV/m11uEdLBfFRoXx41bOUTiWbk=; X-YMail-OSG: 8fNMcdYVM1l5C0iKQk4EkoddvkvznDYDga1OOXsZvv.t84VH52q0RhMcx9RnQ0_uTSrU8A_0GI4x767qtgXZu6WPF.GGD4QkZzLSVxZjTYJJb22C4JSWjMEkasY- Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: sPaCe mOnKeY Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007101c8bf67$623498d0$269dca70$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1423404659-1211838255=:13238" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <993700.13238.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:44:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-1423404659-1211838255=:13238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for all the great advice so far. To answer Andy's question, I was hoping to record them at different tempos rather than changing the tempo later... maybe even having time signature changes as well, but I'm starting to learn I may be better off not changing the tempo at all. If that's the case, if I use Mobius in Ableton Live to loop an entire song structure, how do I switch from pre-chorus to chorus, chorus to bridge, etc.? Is it just a matter of muting and unmuting certain loops? It seems like Mobius in Live is the way to go for my needs. Are there any other suggestions, both hardware or software, I should check out? Thank you all again for the help! Mark Sottilaro wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Yeah, but a band has people and frankly Ive had it up to here with them. Horrible or no warrantees, unreliable, no good upgrade path. Who needs em? Kidding aside (I have great jams with friends) Ive seen enough one man (and woman) bands to know that not only is it possible but pretty easy with todays equipment. My pal Andrew (Andrew? Are you listening!?) aka Kid Beyond does amazing one man band shows using only his mouth, a midi controller, audio interface and a laptop running Live. Other great acts Ive seen doing pop styled songs are Brian Kenny Fresno (Lexicon JamMan) and !LOOPSTATION!.. who I think use a Loopstation! I find that what Per said (Mobius inside of Ableton Live) will do everything you said you want except one thing and thats what I mentioned earlier: tempo change. Change your tempo in Live is possible but Live wont let you do overdubs and <100% feedback with your loops, so thats where Mobius comes in and it wont chase your tempo change. Only the Repeater will do this (and keep the pitch constant). Frankly I say as much fun as that can be, ditch that function it and go with a laptop rig. Electrix is gone forever so getting any service or updates from them is impossible. Mark From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:15 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Hi spacemonkey glad to have another member in our tribe!! theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will try and give you a more Philisophical take on advice. To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific and uniqie set of constraints. For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down the more I can consentrate on being creative with the remaining variables. to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with many layers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chorus/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods such as variations in tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;) I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent many years trying to find one man band looping solutions to all of the same ideas you are having. some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can be done with just one piece of equipment that I know of. I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise all of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you an idea of how intrinsically difficult what you are aiming for will be. as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of evolution form delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra functions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was happy for a while) this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add multiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3. I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only 16 regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section lagging to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a micro korg synth....etc etc etc I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys worth but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!! AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest withmyself and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple Guitar>Zoom> DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it these days many are going the software route and should imagine this would be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as things WILL always get better. anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun Phill MyOneManBand --------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700 From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Hello, I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve. I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are: 1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful. 2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs? My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong. Any tips will be appreciated. Thanks in advance! --------------------------------- Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! --0-1423404659-1211838255=:13238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for all the great advice so far. To answer Andy's question, I was hoping to record them at different tempos rather than changing the tempo later... maybe even having time signature changes as well, but I'm starting to learn I may be better off not changing the tempo at all.

    If that's the case, if I use Mobius in Ableton Live to loop an entire song structure, how do I switch from pre-chorus to chorus, chorus to bridge, etc.? Is it just a matter of muting and unmuting certain loops?

    It seems like Mobius in Live is the way to go for my needs. Are there any other suggestions, both hardware or software, I should check out?

    Thank you all again for the help!





    Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:
    Yeah, but a band has people and frankly Ive had it up to here with them.  Horrible or no warrantees, unreliable, no good upgrade path.  Who needs em? 
     
    Kidding aside (I have great jams with friends) Ive seen enough one man (and woman) bands to know that not only is it possible but pretty easy with todays equipment.  My pal Andrew (Andrew?  Are you listening!?) aka Kid Beyond does amazing one man band shows using only his mouth, a midi controller, audio interface and a laptop running Live.  Other great acts Ive seen doing pop styled songs are Brian Kenny Fresno (Lexicon JamMan) and !LOOPSTATION!.. who I think use a Loopstation!
     
    I find that what Per said (Mobius inside of Ableton Live) will do everything you said you want except one thing and thats what I mentioned earlier: tempo change.  Change your tempo in Live is possible but Live wont let you do overdubs and <100% feedback with your loops, so thats where Mobius comes in and it wont chase your tempo change.  Only the Repeater will do this (and keep the pitch constant).
     
    Frankly I say as much fun as that can be, ditch that function it and go with a laptop rig.  Electrix is gone forever so getting any service or updates from them is impossible.
     
    Mark
     
    From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:15 PM
    To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help
     

    Hi spacemonkey
     
    glad to have another member in our tribe!!
     
    theres loads of good advice on paticualr setups in the archive so I will try and give you a more Philisophical take on advice.
     
    To me...Looping is largely about being creative within a very specific and uniqie set of constraints.
     
    For me this is a blessing, the more "constants" I can pin down the more I can consentrate on being creative with the remaining variables.
     
    to that end, there is already a great method for creating music with many layers of multiple instumentation involving traditional verse/prechorus/chorus/bridge formats using dynamic presentation methods such as variations in tempo.....I believe its called A BAND !!! ;)
     
    I'm sorry if that sounds negative, its really really not...I have spent many years trying to find one man band  looping solutions to all of the same ideas you are having.
     
    some are solved relativly easy, some are darn near impossible....non can be done with just one piece of equipment that I know of.
    I am not trying to rain on your parade and would LOVE to see you realise all of your aspirations (hell Id buy the same setup) I just want to give you an idea of how intrinsically difficult  what you are aiming for will be.
     
    as my looping has progressed i have been through MANY stages of evolution form delay to 5 seconds of hold to a boss looper with no multiply or etra functions, to a DL4 which adds in reverse and half speed to my first edp (was happy for a while)
     
    this then led to a second edp for vocals and then i still wanted to add multiple sond structures such as verses and chorus....edp 3.
     
    I then added midi guitar to solve the narrow range of tones i had (only 16 regular guiat fx to bend by tone hehe) this left the rhythem section lagging to i broke away from guitar only into a handsonic for precussion and a micro korg synth....etc etc etc
     
    I dare not even THINK how much all this has cost, i love every pennys worth but I still cant tempo change on the fly and the routing for my equipment looks like black-spaggatti-hell but its there!!
     
    AND HERS THE RUB, my setup is so complex that if im very honest withmyself and you, i probably enjoy it a bit LESS then back in the simple Guitar>Zoom> DL4>amp days, even though I could do a lot less with it
     
    these days many are going the software route and should imagine this would be a very valid area for a new starter such as your self to invest as things WILL always get better.
     
    anyways, thats enough from me, most of all have fun

    Phill MyOneManBand
    Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:22:40 -0700
    From: spacemonkeyx05@yahoo.com
    Subject: Looping Beginner Seeks Help
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

    Hello,

    I've been casually visiting loopersdelight.com for the past couple of years now, reading up on equipment, checking on past mailing archives, but I've finally decided to seek out some help for my own looping needs. A lot of my questions are basic since I don't have any looping equipment yet, but I have a clear idea of what I hope to achieve.

    I want to be able to play one-man-band performances of original songs - complete with verses, pre-choruses, choruses, bridges, etc. I hope to play and loop the drums (either electronic or acoustics mic'd), bass, piano, guitar, vocal harmonies, and any other wacky sounds... and sing over all that. My questions are:

    1. What looping equipment (hardware/software) would be ideal to achieve this? I'm a beginner, but I'm looking to invest in a quality product to keep me going in the long run. Any suggestions for accessories (midi pedals, set-up suggestions) would also be helpful.

    2. How can I have separate loops for the verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, etc.? Is there a way to switch from each of these segments of the song to the other on the fly, or is there a smarter way of performing entire songs?

    My songs follow general pop structure for the most part, but I like to have tempo changes, usually going into a bridge or chorus. I assume this may throw out the possibility of recording to a click, but please let me know if I'm wrong.

    Any tips will be appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!
     
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Spanning four venues, = with nearly 16 hours of music, and featuring virtual performances over = the internet with the Kybermusik program, BEMF3 is going to create a = unique music vibe in Boise that has never been experienced in its entire = history. If you are intrigued by cutting-edge music that pushes = boundaries and leaps beyond the reach of popular music, you can't miss = BEMF3! BEMF3 kicks off on May 28 in Idaho City at the "Museum of Eastern = Idaho," continues in Boise on May 29 at "3 Shapes Aikido," and continues = on May 30 through June 1 at the "El Korah Shrine Center" and Boise's own = "Record Exchange". All tickets are on sale at the door. Also note that the BEMF1 two volume CD set, as well as BEMF2 CD = compilation and two volume DVD set are on sale at Boise's Record = Exchange (artist of the month) and at the festival, May 30 through June = 1, or online at these online locations: BEMF1 CDs: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm BEMF2 CD: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/cd.htm BEMF2 DVDs: http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-2/dvd.htm Details on exact dates, locations, times, and schedules are below and at = the BEMF3 website. http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ The 3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival=20 May 28 - June 1, 2008 The Boise Experimental Music Festival is beginning to earn the = reputation of being one of the most exciting and well executed creative = music events in the world. Now in its third year, the festival = continues to evolve and feature an impressive array of performers from = all over the world. This year, the festival runs from May 28 through = June 1, 2008, and fans will come from all over to hear some of the = finest and most cutting edge creative music artists on the planet. The = talent and caliber of this year's performers will be spectacular. The = event will also feature experimental film and the ground-breaking = program, Kybermusik, coordinated by one of Germany's most inventive = musicians, Rainer Straschill. The Kybermusik program will give festival = performers the opportunity to perform live with musicians all over the = world via the internet. =20 Obtain more information on the festival at www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3 = or http://www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfestival SCHEDULE May 28 (Wednesday), 7:00 - 8:30pm Museum of Eastern Idaho Eastern Idaho Experimental Music Festival=20 300 S. Capital Ave Idaho Falls, ID 83402 208-524-7777=20 $10 at the door May 29 (Thursday), 7-11pm 3 Shapes Aikido 1512 north 10th street=20 Boise, ID 83702 $5.00 at the door May 30 (Friday), 8:30pm - Midnight El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 $7.00 at the door=20 May 31 (Saturday), 1-7pm El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 $6.00 at the door=20 May 31 (Saturday), 1-5pm The Record Exchange 1105 W Idaho St Boise, ID 83702 FREE May 31 (Saturday), 8:30pm - Midnight El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 $7.00 at the door=20 June 1 (Sunday), 1-7pm El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 $6.00 at the door=20 FESTIVAL PERFORMERS Rainer Straschill=20 (Munich, Germany) With financial support by the Federal Foreign Office and the Goethe = Institut Jim McAuley (Los Angeles, CA, USA) Tom Baker (Seattle, WA, USA) The Choir Boys (Jeff Kaiser & Andrew Pask) (San Diego & Los Angeles, CA, USA) The Deep End Ensemble (Philadelphia, PA, USA) Emily Hay & Motoko Honda=20 (Los Angeles, CA, USA) Rob Wallace, Colter Frazier, & Jim Connolly (Santa Barbara, CA, USA) The Transhumans (Ventura, CA, USA) Robert Price, David Grollman, & Lucio Menegon (New York, NY, USA) Lucio Menegon (New York, NY, USA) Ted Killian (Medford, OR, USA) Thorrific (Seattle, WA, USA) Unicorn Feather (Elijah Jensen) (Boise, ID, USA) Gretchen Jude (Boise, ID, USA) Craig Green (Idaho Falls, ID, USA) Jared Hallock (Boise, ID, USA) Krispen Hartung & Robert Sterling (Boise, ID & Ventura, CA, USA) Krispen Hartung, Brian McFadin, & Jared Hallock (Boise, ID, USA) Mike Blomquist (Boise, ID, USA) Emily Hay, Motoko Honda, & Krispen Hartung (Los Angeles, CA & Boise, ID, USA) Craig Green, & Krispen Hartung (Los Angeles, CA & Boise, ID, USA) Funding for BEMF was made possible by a grant from the=20 National Endowment for the Arts and the Idaho Commission on the Arts =20 Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_04D0_01C8BF7B.7E5C4D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    BEMF3, the 3rd = Annual=20 Boise Experimental Music Festival, is almost here! In just two = days,=20 this five-day event will begin and feature over 30 creative music = artists from=20 all over the world. Spanning four venues, with nearly 16 hours of = music,=20 and featuring virtual performances over the internet with the Kybermusik = program, BEMF3 is going to create a unique music vibe in Boise that has = never=20 been experienced in its entire history.  If you are intrigued by=20 cutting-edge music that pushes boundaries and leaps beyond the reach of = popular=20 music, you can't miss BEMF3!
     
    BEMF3 kicks off on May = 28 in=20 Idaho City at the "Museum of Eastern Idaho," continues in Boise on May = 29 at "3=20 Shapes Aikido," and continues on May 30 through June 1 at the "El Korah = Shrine=20 Center" and Boise's own "Record Exchange".  All tickets are on sale = at the=20 door.
     
    Also note that the BEMF1 two = volume CD set, as=20 well as BEMF2 CD compilation and two volume DVD set are on sale at = Boise's=20 Record Exchange (artist of the month) and at the festival, May 30 = through June=20 1, or online at these online locations:
     
    BEMF1 CDs: http://www.boi= semusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm
    BEMF2 CD: http://www.boisemusi= cians.com/BEMF-2/cd.htm
    BEMF2=20 DVDs: http://www.boisemus= icians.com/BEMF-2/dvd.htm
     
    Details on exact dates, locations, = times, and=20 schedules are below and at the BEMF3 website.
    http://www.boisemusicians.= com/BEMF-3/
     
     
    The 3rd Annual Boise = Experimental Music=20 Festival
    May 28 - June 1, 2008
    The Boise Experimental Music Festival = is beginning=20 to earn the reputation of being one of the most exciting and well = executed=20 creative music events in the world.  Now in its third year, the = festival=20 continues to evolve and feature an impressive array of performers from = all over=20 the world. This year, the festival runs from May 28 through June 1, = 2008, and=20 fans will come from all over to hear some of the finest and most cutting = edge=20 creative music artists on the planet. The talent and caliber of this = year=92s=20 performers will be spectacular. The event will also feature experimental = film=20 and the ground-breaking program, Kybermusik, coordinated by one of = Germany=92s=20 most inventive musicians, Rainer Straschill. The Kybermusik program will = give=20 festival performers the opportunity to perform live with musicians all = over the=20 world via the internet. 

    Obtain more information on the = festival at=20     www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3  or http://www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfestival=

    SCHEDULE

    May 28 (Wednesday), 7:00 - = 8:30pm
    Museum of=20 Eastern Idaho
    Eastern Idaho Experimental Music Festival
    300 S. = Capital=20 Ave
    Idaho Falls, ID 83402
    208-524-7777
    $10 at the=20 door

    May 29 (Thursday), = 7-11pm
    3 Shapes=20 Aikido
    1512 north 10th street
    Boise, ID 83702
    $5.00 at the=20 door

    May 30 (Friday), 8:30pm - = Midnight
    El Korah Shrine Center
    1118 W Idaho
    Boise, ID = 83701
    $7.00=20 at the door

    May 31 = (Saturday),=20 1-7pm
    El Korah Shrine Center
    1118 W Idaho
    Boise, ID = 83701
    $6.00 at=20 the door

    May 31 (Saturday), = 1-5pm
    The=20 Record Exchange
    1105 W Idaho St
    Boise, ID=20 83702
    FREE

    May 31 = (Saturday), 8:30pm -=20 Midnight
    El Korah Shrine Center
    1118 W Idaho
    Boise, ID = 83701
    $7.00=20 at the door

    June 1 (Sunday), = 1-7pm
    El=20 Korah Shrine Center
    1118 W Idaho
    Boise, ID 83701
    $6.00 at the = door=20


    FESTIVAL=20 PERFORMERS

    Rainer Straschill
    (Munich,=20 Germany)
    With financial support by the Federal = Foreign=20 Office and the Goethe Institut

    Jim McAuley
    (Los = Angeles,=20 CA, USA)

    Tom Baker
    (Seattle, WA, = USA)

    The=20 Choir Boys (Jeff Kaiser & Andrew Pask)
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 07:34:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FADB3BEC0; Tue, 27 May 2008 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 22234718/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.231.62 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.231.62 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnoBAL5WO0hPRuc+/2dsb2JhbAAIrQmCVg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,547,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="22234718" Message-ID: <483BB98B.3030800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:34:35 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help References: <993700.13238.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <993700.13238.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:34:36 +0000 (UTC) sPaCe mOnKeY wrote: > Thanks for all the great advice so far. To answer Andy's question, I was > hoping to record them at different tempos rather than changing the tempo > later... maybe even having time signature changes as well, but I'm > starting to learn I may be better off not changing the tempo at all. Actually there's no problem at all to use whatever tempos/times you want. Mobius (for instance), will let you record a number of different sized loops and play them back one at a time in any order. I think it would be a real shame is you ditched that interesting side of your music just to fit in with a piece of software. Ableton is maybe not very flexible with tempo (Kid Beyond has to lip sync the first loop in each song), but Mobius can run within Ableton without time restrictions. If you don't need the features that Ableton "Live" offers, then Mobius will run without it, in "standalone" form, or you can run it (or several instances of it!)within Plogue Bidule,a vst host that's designed for flexible tempo working. > > If that's the case, if I use Mobius in Ableton Live to loop an entire > song structure, how do I switch from pre-chorus to chorus, chorus to > bridge, etc.? Is it just a matter of muting and unmuting certain loops? > in Mobius you can switch from one loop to another. In Ableton I guess you need to do mute/unmute, I'm not sure how easy that is to do with live button pressing, a lot of Ableton users set their songs up so that the muting is automatic. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 08:02:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551E33BE91; Tue, 27 May 2008 08:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B1dPpNybSz5mpFBh8+16KQyH1uW4wxY8NZflaHX49TU=; b=vw/Cz2EyAYRNlOPsRchcRlD9vctatLk+vMpGpuBOer1ESzGA64z6yOYdT9A0S6WQ2Oo/1i88dO+L9776q5fy62qdm05XHW5xQRcHn6Zqkp76f24maKuMlQujdQ19lotLs8vWtV7qL0NP3qIWhcw89PYQjTik8EZsDc70scUuv5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZK+yaE2AvhVQOQjfxYy5qt61HrDqEqcBgpBBN1juawoRo/jtLMkj9vGF/ULLzmjzhomEpUwqv0gkQ1OwAEJUdt6YRXBTsFQyiXSMMOm8GRd7ql/nnDKES9fKCsaqAnqhGTnW3BKJRklD/APNOmxnGWFwtj6SM1apXFbXGpowELg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805270102m41253f09t53736653af96683f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:02:31 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help In-Reply-To: <483BB98B.3030800@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <993700.13238.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <483BB98B.3030800@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <_wsNsD.A.b7D.ZA8OIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:02:33 +0000 (UTC) sPaCe mOnKeY wrote: >> If that's the case, if I use Mobius in Ableton Live to loop an entire song >> structure, how do I switch from pre-chorus to chorus, chorus to bridge, >> etc.? Is it just a matter of muting and unmuting certain loops? On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:34 AM, andy butler wrote: > in Mobius you can switch from one loop to another. > In Ableton I guess you need to do mute/unmute, I'm not sure > how easy that is to do with live button pressing, a lot > of Ableton users set their songs up so that the muting is > automatic. It seems the most widely technique with Live is to use a foot pedal to step up and down the scenes (thus selecting all horizontal slots of the same number in all vertical tracks). Then you have some other pedal for record enabling tracks, and then all empty slots in any track on the new scene starts recording as you get there. Another way would be to bind MIDI pedal buttons directly to certain slots, but this means you need A HUGE pedal board with hundreds of pedal buttons... ;-) Great that Andy posted that you can record different loops by different lengths in Mobius and thus have them run at different tempi - I forgot to tell that in my two earlier posts. I used to keep Mobius set up that way back in the days when I war running the Mobius standalone version and slaving external processing gear by MIDI Clock. It was cool to feel all the beat synced stuff slow down or speed up as you went "Next/Previous Loop" in Mobius. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 11:54:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CDA83BE8D; Tue, 27 May 2008 11:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:53:57 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805270102m41253f09t53736653af96683f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080527115357.320250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <993700.13238.qm@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <483BB98B.3030800@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0805270102m41253f09t53736653af96683f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QtTkV+L3QiYMJyDhpAug+P2LRTiOZa1bP446Flh kOUDwMIigjyWAFrycHpex4VRrbiGGhsD5+RA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: Z88IcCxJMmA6eMJ3kGBnAPA5MjQ1N93W Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:53:59 +0000 (UTC) Welcome Space Monkey Depending on what you want to perform, it may be worthwhile taking a look at the Boss RC-50 Looper: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html It doesn't have the feature set of the "real" loopers like Looperlative or Mobius. It allows you to run three stereo loops i.e. synced in parallel or independently in sequence. You can overdub each loop and use additional Aux Sends. Depending on how deep you want to dive into the looping world initially, it may be a worth considering as a "first looper". Per has provided a great page where you can compare features: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php Don't get lost in gear & tech stuff ! ;-) Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 13:37:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 384C23BE91; Tue, 27 May 2008 13:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gandi Mail Message-ID: <33642.1211895449@m3ch.net> To: Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 123.254.39.171 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:37:29 +0200 Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question From: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:37:32 +0000 (UTC) At 2:30 AM -0700 5/26/08, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Out of curiosity, which pitch shifter are you using? I'm using a Digite= ch Studio Vocalist EX=20 > for pitch / timbre effects at the moment, with my EDP. I've got an Alesis Akira dedicated to my LP-1's Aux 1. Of course, the Akir= a does a whole lot=20 more than just pitch-shifting effects; it's one of the most whacked out mul= ti-FX one could find.=20 There are much higher-quality shifters out there (Eventide, of course, and = I've got a killer=20 Helicon VoiceWorks unit that I keep dedicated to my wind synth setup). How= ever, after discovering=20 the joys of the Repeater's pitch-shift aliasing, I decided to use a less-th= an-perfect unit for the=20 pitch manipulation. Oh, the Akira tracks just fine, but it also degrades i= n an interesting manner=20 the further you get off standard pitch. Which, FWIW, is one of the best ad= jectives I can think of=20 to describe the Akira overall: interesting. I'd imagine you should be able to get some nice warpage out of the Digitech= unit too. I haven't=20 used the Vocalist series very much. But lately I've been quite interested = in checking out the=20 DOD VOFX (not VOTec) pedal because it seems to have some interesting and bi= zarre applications. =20 I'd hope some of that character would have gotten transferred into its Digi= tech siblings. On the LP-1's Aux 2 output I've got a Korg KAOSS KP3. It won't do much for= pitch shifting, but=20 it's great for some filter or granular/sampling effects without having to g= o to the trouble of=20 hooking up the laptop. Depending upon your mixer setup, it's relatively easy to bounce and re-reco= rd the effected loop=20 tracks back into the Looperlative. Just route out of one/both of the Auxes= , then back into the=20 LP-1's input (watch out for feedback loops!). If you wanted you could re-b= ounce several times,=20 adding a new effect with each pass. I use an Alesis ZoneMix6 for my mixer = because it's small=20 (1U rackmount) and transparent, but you should be able to do this with just= about any decent unit. Let us know if you have any more concerns about the Looperlative. We'll be= glad to help. It=20 really is a great unit. But you're the only one who can make the final cal= l if it's the right=20 looper for you. --m. _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 14:07:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16FCD3BE94; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=D95VKRggf8dy8v8QswM0xfjK7NSizy8pAPGfEalWYvJoNFB10PNGUOfjYvZ7nOPHipa64U74LbP2of9LysfBNTypfjnNb46HVb4eaEdtSnQj5LBrB6i+pyL/Hc3UUoknEmoMaA9Arlm2+16IjqA4WloM2+3HJwg6xtWjlSDVdKU=; X-YMail-OSG: gszZMAUVM1lcxaLIM5kTLbvaycMXHQjntMnWhr1CwCIeBsR9DqAyCA3PMOBmPOoCmRMpobosjl_IxmoBOfkUHKh8Vtekoh8En1zjaA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/975.41 YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: andy garber Subject: RE:RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2138637316-1211897240=:73285" Message-ID: <206553.73285.qm@web51707.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9Wa5VB.A.OQD.ZWBPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:07:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-2138637316-1211897240=:73285 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hmm...do you have an interface yet for said computer? just throwin' it out there. Gonna need a USB or Firewire box to get sounds and MIDI in/out. -andy "It seems like Mobius in Live is the way to go for my needs. Are there any other suggestions, both hardware or software, I should check out?" --0-2138637316-1211897240=:73285 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
    Hmm...do you have an interface yet for said computer?

    just throwin' it out there.  Gonna need a USB or Firewire box to get sounds and MIDI in/out.

    -andy

    "It seems like Mobius in Live is the way to go for my needs. Are there any other suggestions, both hardware or software, I should check out?"




    --0-2138637316-1211897240=:73285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 14:20:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 425CB3BECD; Tue, 27 May 2008 14:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=3ZIYMO7nRyye6DJPcuM+WIadLj2v1Am4bKp/wHTwLVk=; b=DV+NoT41No7Kznd8HT2qbyz+5Lxvl3Y8Cz2gXOkcuaA5yyPzLZcwvdYZ/m3WJgTbN2eJtwwbBjxubePjcz8YD9cXmIR9Bf6mL7bwADPL3VNwbFLwwZriEe33uFdgnU8K9S94gv2swhNqhxCsvHszqqe1/v5Su/ECfXKwYIIccY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=FdoA/Ixd9wmhI0JT6zHHSOF6Q4ZctGgAvqyejLqUQc5XqgbvD5VGqYKmOdPnoTvmzdP2PAti/HRNmsYXnipgdKQATHkTsbliY5xvuY08L0RXy3PmHB0LXYekKEHXKGqXDpcyoYkGL5gGArABCb3H8F/NW8tnkoYjMtVgCiQDzU8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:20:33 +0200 From: Vocaloop.com Sender: vocaloop@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help In-Reply-To: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <636699.52230.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dece0394112a4724 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi sPaCe mOnKeY! I'm actually doing what you want to do (I think), but just with my voice (and mouthdrum) and I sing covers. Principle (Pop structure, verse, chorus, bridge..) is the same, however.. I use M=F6bius (free) as VST within Cantabile (VST-host, also free) with a maximum of 4 loops in 1 stereo track, and control it with a E-mu Midi-Controller and/or the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller. I don't use the "Next Loop" function, I just assigned 4 keys/buttons from the E-mu/Behringer to Loop 1-4 for easy switching. I use two different setups within M=F6bius: One which copies the content of one loop into the other (Loop Copy=3DSound) which I use the most (f.i. start with drum, copy it into the other loops and then overdub different basslines and other stuff so you can have your verse, chorus, bridge and so on..) The other setup is with Loop Copy=3DOff and then you can have your tempo changes because you basically just record four different loops. example copy=3Dsound : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/sign.mp3 example copy=3Doff : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/allineed.mp3 Success! 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Ha! I do like Keller, but I don't want to be him. :^) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:04:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B499E3BE94; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VzsHc7hr6CxbJtuJYWJAsA9B1p47EAckbOoUOJoycpF7+QsgRmmGE+QlcostIJSAh5utbtlkGVnpuHSX24qzuyf3TlVPWE+AiQnTN3DQeSyjJzMeORTRVlu993tnItIjCnfHjwli+G1Db/eq/R17ijrsZviplCt3Af8ViKPckyc=; X-YMail-OSG: 0hty3UkVM1k6wnC6RzvsY.JJ1qEkKO0anMUitDTINb_tw_0IY5sIjfWsPFrF_hEflDHB7T6SyqmUG7RFOG.QivXVR2BYhgirn49eJz928ZBOx.l7FqPzstYTtGA- Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) From: sPaCe mOnKeY Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-92465125-1211907851=:78282" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <417356.78282.qm@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9g37aB.A.SUH.M8DPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:04:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-92465125-1211907851=:78282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to all once again! I'm going to check out the Mobius program, follow all the advice that's been given here, and try to find a way of looping that works best for my needs and personality. One last question I have is whether Mobius will work in Windows Vista? I think I may need to purchase a new laptop to get myself going (my old one is on its way out), and it seems XP is no longer pre-installed these days. "Vocaloop.com" wrote: Hi sPaCe mOnKeY! I'm actually doing what you want to do (I think), but just with my voice (and mouthdrum) and I sing covers. Principle (Pop structure, verse, chorus, bridge..) is the same, however.. I use Mbius (free) as VST within Cantabile (VST-host, also free) with a maximum of 4 loops in 1 stereo track, and control it with a E-mu Midi-Controller and/or the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller. I don't use the "Next Loop" function, I just assigned 4 keys/buttons from the E-mu/Behringer to Loop 1-4 for easy switching. I use two different setups within Mbius: One which copies the content of one loop into the other (Loop Copy=Sound) which I use the most (f.i. start with drum, copy it into the other loops and then overdub different basslines and other stuff so you can have your verse, chorus, bridge and so on..) The other setup is with Loop Copy=Off and then you can have your tempo changes because you basically just record four different loops. example copy=sound : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/sign.mp3 example copy=off : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/allineed.mp3 Success! Sanne http://vocaloop.com --0-92465125-1211907851=:78282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to all once again! I'm going to check out the Mobius program, follow all the advice that's been given here, and try to find a way of looping that works best for my needs and personality.
    One last question I have is whether Mobius will work in Windows Vista? I think I may need to purchase a new laptop to get myself going (my old one is on its way out), and it seems XP is no longer pre-installed these days.


    "Vocaloop.com" <info@vocaloop.com> wrote:
    Hi sPaCe mOnKeY!

    I'm actually doing what you want to do (I think), but just with my
    voice (and mouthdrum) and I sing covers.
    Principle (Pop structure, verse, chorus, bridge..) is the same, however..

    I use Mbius (free) as VST within Cantabile (VST-host, also free) with
    a maximum of 4 loops in 1 stereo track, and control it with a E-mu
    Midi-Controller and/or the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller. I
    don't use the "Next Loop" function, I just assigned 4 keys/buttons
    from the E-mu/Behringer to Loop 1-4 for easy switching.

    I use two different setups within Mbius: One which copies the content
    of one loop into the other (Loop Copy=Sound) which I use the most
    (f.i. start with drum, copy it into the other loops and then overdub
    different basslines and other stuff so you can have your verse,
    chorus, bridge and so on..)
    The other setup is with Loop Copy=Off and then you can have your tempo
    changes because you basically just record four different loops.

    example copy=sound : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/sign.mp3
    example copy=off : http://vocaloop.com/stuff/allineed.mp3

    Success!

    Sanne

    http://vocaloop.com


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Perhaps my experience can be of some ben= efit.=0AI started out with a boomerang+. This works well for changing verse= -chorus on the fly. I then picked up an RC-20XL, but that was somewhat limi= ted in loop switching, although it did have other benefits such as Undo. Ho= wever, I used the two in a setup in which I would do rhythm tracks on the R= C-20 and song structure on the boomerang (or vice versa). This works for so= me songs but not for others. The big problem with this setup is no undo fun= ction on the boomerang, so if you make a mistake you have to make it work w= ithin the song or abort. Also the timing is extremely tricky so if your rhy= thm is off just a tiny bit that will get magnified each time through the lo= op.=0AThen I started reading up on Looper's Delight, and gave Mobius a try.= This has opened up a whole new world. Once I learned some of the Mobius fu= nctionality, I decided to go completely laptop with little external gear (b= tw, you will need a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller). Unfortunately,= I do not have a lot of money to spend. So I spent a couple of months searc= hing for vst host and vst plugins that will work for me. Finally I am=A0at = the point (after several crashes and lots of reading and configuring) that = I can start having fun. I am very patient and work as a programmer so troub= leshooting the problems was not too bad, but even for me sometimes it got t= o be too much. I think a lot of my problems are using freeware plugins, and= a cheap Midi interface, but I guess you get what you pay for!=0AGood luck = with your looping, if you want something easy that can get you started, and= you don't make too many mistakes, then get a boomerang. I still use this l= ive with my band, it's a great gadget that also works nice as a delay. If y= ou don't mind spending some time learning a complex device, get Mobius, it = is unbelievable how much you can do with it, and I have only scratched the = surface. I have a friend who uses an RC-20 in live performances as a rhythm= backup to his leads, and it sounds great.=0AI have a follow up question fo= r the list: How do=A0you make Mobius emulate the boomerang ability to switc= h to Next Loop=A0AND start Record at the end of the currently running=A0loo= p? Likewise, when done recording on the second loop, is there a similar com= mand to goto Previous Loop AND Stop Record on current loop? =0AThanks,=0AEr= ic=0AP.S., thanks to all on the list for sharing your setups and advice, it= has been extremely helpful for me to sift through your previous posts to l= earn how to get this thing off of the ground.=0A=0A------------------------= --------------------------------------------=0A=0ADepending on what you wan= t to perform, it may be worthwhile taking a look at the Boss RC-50 Looper:= =0Ahttp://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html=0A=0AIt doesn't have = the feature set of the "real" loopers like Looperlative or Mobius.=0AIt all= ows you to run three stereo loops i.e. synced in parallel or independently = in sequence. You can overdub each loop and use additional Aux Sends.=0A=0AD= epending on how deep you want to dive into the looping world initially, it = may be a worth considering as a "first looper".=0APer has provided a great = page where you can compare features:=0Ahttp://www.looproom.com/looperchart.= php=0A=0ADon't get lost in gear & tech stuff ! ;-)=0A=0ABuzap=0A-- =0AIst I= hr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten =0ABrowser-Versionen downlo= aden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser=0A=0A=0A --0-691968058-1211907790=:43586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

    Hi Monkey,
     
    I am also a beginner. Perhaps my experience can be of some benefit.
     
    I started out with a boomerang+. This works well for changing verse-chorus on the fly. I then picked up an RC-20XL, but that was somewhat limited in loop switching, although it did have other benefits such as Undo. However, I used the two in a setup in which I would do rhythm tracks on the RC-20 and song structure on the boomerang (or vice versa). This works for some songs but not for others. The big problem with this setup is no undo function on the boomerang, so if you make a mistake you have to make it work within the song or abort. Also the timing is extremely tricky so if your rhythm is off just a tiny bit that will get magnified each time through the loop.
     
    Then I started reading up on Looper's Delight, and gave Mobius a try. This has opened up a whole new world. Once I learned some of the Mobius functionality, I decided to go completely laptop with little external gear (btw, you will need a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller). Unfortunately, I do not have a lot of money to spend. So I spent a couple of months searching for vst host and vst plugins that will work for me. Finally I am at the point (after several crashes and lots of reading and configuring) that I can start having fun. I am very patient and work as a programmer so troubleshooting the problems was not too bad, but even for me sometimes it got to be too much. I think a lot of my problems are using freeware plugins, and a cheap Midi interface, but I guess you get what you pay for!
     
    Good luck with your looping, if you want something easy that can get you started, and you don't make too many mistakes, then get a boomerang. I still use this live with my band, it's a great gadget that also works nice as a delay. If you don't mind spending some time learning a complex device, get Mobius, it is unbelievable how much you can do with it, and I have only scratched the surface. I have a friend who uses an RC-20 in live performances as a rhythm backup to his leads, and it sounds great.
     
    I have a follow up question for the list: How do you make Mobius emulate the boomerang ability to switch to Next Loop AND start Record at the end of the currently running loop? Likewise, when done recording on the second loop, is there a similar command to goto Previous Loop AND Stop Record on current loop?
     
    Thanks,
     
    Eric
     
    P.S., thanks to all on the list for sharing your setups and advice, it has been extremely helpful for me to sift through your previous posts to learn how to get this thing off of the ground.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    Depending on what you want to perform, it may be worthwhile taking a look at the Boss RC-50 Looper:
    http://www.roland.com/products/en/RC-50/index.html

    It doesn't have the feature set of the "real" loopers like Looperlative or Mobius.
    It allows you to run three stereo loops i.e. synced in parallel or independently in sequence. You can overdub each loop and use additional Aux Sends.

    Depending on how deep you want to dive into the looping world initially, it may be a worth considering as a "first looper".
    Per has provided a great page where you can compare features:
    http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php

    Don't get lost in gear & tech stuff ! ;-)

    Buzap
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    --0-691968058-1211907790=:43586-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 17:43:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18C923BEC4; Tue, 27 May 2008 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: webmail-1.hosting.atlantic.net: apache set sender to music@carlsonarts.com using -f X-IMP-User: music@carlsonarts.com Message-ID: <20080527134325.bfiyrcrlgkc8ckww@webmail.carlsonarts.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:43:25 -0400 From: music@carlsonarts.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: plans for world domination References: <20080527170413.3D0963BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080527170413.3D0963BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Sanne! I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what equipment you were using just by watching your youtube vids. I figured you were using a midi controller and footswitch, but now you've revealed all of your secrets! And those softwares are free? That fits my budget. Awesome! Now I have everything I need to enter and conquer the world of vocal looping! Moo hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha! Michael C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:00:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF9DD3BEC1; Tue, 27 May 2008 19:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Sd9Eov5MGtILjw6lEPVc/b5VMYKZYRfcqi3rfO6iT/A=; b=edZD8KJstBsX0f2bgRCo50S55s3sSB4AEGzrmsvIYswPeiEGHnwxPSOprfk2koddBUxxiy//IuOD5QpUPaOMR8H7kjiTYBXfY4KsyGkT0manxaDA8s8xpqLQ77bKww0aVE+wVUhGrrZMoVMifbvRFxkaODXryB27WeV+Zd5aPrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CdkrjF7Ux0wr4Q1iL8o0rpP3ydfA1Jc/g7mcG8xbHTDNOe0/6gyPHJASTvbG+5ERd0JyuqC8Tw9J1IIRpuYZ2A4csNSv/uu4coS2ea2d9an+ytk2+89yuF14kcm9NDdxAntPJOwXpIHOI548Up89+fxXWD115wJup9CipuJCgk8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:00:06 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plans for world domination In-Reply-To: <20080527134325.bfiyrcrlgkc8ckww@webmail.carlsonarts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15245_21170839.1211914806257" References: <20080527170413.3D0963BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080527134325.bfiyrcrlgkc8ckww@webmail.carlsonarts.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:00:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15245_21170839.1211914806257 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline oh! religious people still on their fifty... world domination! no thanks! 2008/5/27 : > Sanne! > > I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what equipment you were using > just by watching your youtube vids. I figured you were using a midi > controller and footswitch, but now you've revealed all of your secrets! And > those softwares are free? That fits my budget. Awesome! > > Now I have everything I need to enter and conquer the world of vocal > looping! Moo hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha! > > Michael C. > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_15245_21170839.1211914806257 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline oh! religious people still on their fifty... world domination!
    no thanks!


    2008/5/27 <music@carlsonarts.com>:
    Sanne!

    I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what equipment you were using just by watching your youtube vids.  I figured you were using a midi controller and footswitch, but now you've revealed all of your secrets!  And those softwares are free?  That fits my budget.  Awesome!

    Now I have everything I need to enter and conquer the world of vocal looping!  Moo hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha!

    Michael C.




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    TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_15245_21170839.1211914806257-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD3263BE91; Tue, 27 May 2008 19:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=dIlwaNF0hVTdJsltwR6mRi/vxpHg0lXlcle4098UcVw=; b=Mtq2k/0uDojRAOrAdhrsCXJBypC+xaPu1oiJGGvErb3VK8N9DbyBolSRI/BImmxycLZh7as3FY5qk8SbSmS9n8dkps5ZOctmChtOGqDXAzu5OwMFbAeHjgMf1/S5NGLn4S23LFSnTWOVdKvwOXJB5qh7FCdkznYngWWprwA3uaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KQU45q8yX4AtUY+rwoQGjTXh974uF/Nk3t1+7lUC018X74jXjeybDQO8nFs9vkmCKmhw6lmBXyS1Xs/RqMFHmjWOWhRkkBeCo1sra3EPgJiIuk9uJySkmZd1Y1jEIKdGm9Q+AQXMwNon/b4C26v++ognxtrlOTfO8zAIlNBazmU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:39:09 +0200 From: Vocaloop.com Sender: vocaloop@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: plans for world domination In-Reply-To: <20080527134325.bfiyrcrlgkc8ckww@webmail.carlsonarts.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080527170413.3D0963BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <20080527134325.bfiyrcrlgkc8ckww@webmail.carlsonarts.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6714c5b60ac9b9c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Michael C.! I actually revealed my "secrets" already 2 months ago on this list (19th of March to be exact) in answer to your topic "RE:What's the best vocal looper to buy", so you could have conquered the world already, if you had paid attention ;-) I'm not really active on this list mainly because I learned that, according to most people here, I'm not really a "looper" 'cause I don't use the looper as an instrument, but as a recording device, and that seems to be bad. ;-) greetings! Sanne On 5/27/08, music@carlsonarts.com wrote: > Sanne! > > I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what equipment you were using > just by watching your youtube vids. I figured you were using a midi > controller and footswitch, but now you've revealed all of your secrets! And > those softwares are free? That fits my budget. Awesome! > > Now I have everything I need to enter and conquer the world of vocal > looping! Moo hoo hoo hoo ha ha ha ha! > > Michael C. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 19:51:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94333BEC7; Tue, 27 May 2008 19:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:51:15 +0200 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+si9F07t2se7UcZdai71s2QB9y5f/RMVXiE1HRqw 92mkBn3tz70qe1fERFbdFwIWG6dpZkgLADXA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: B1QOe3N9PTR+Ip4oyjMwCe05c2tpZMs/ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:48:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 714933BEC1; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <181358236.1211924882334.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp22> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Travis Lund Reply-To: Travis Lund To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re[2]: East Coast Festival of some level Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: CC Mailer IV 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <5NYF3B.A.qRB.TGIPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:48:03 +0000 (UTC) People seem pretty centered on the NY/NJ locale, but the suggestion of some= how tying this into an educational/symposium situation basically demands th= at I at least offer this: I'm a Music Synthesis grad student at the Berkle= e College of Music in Boston, and I'd be enthusiastic about trying to put s= omething together for this if people were up for making the trip to Beantow= n. Berklee has one huge hall, two decent-sized venues and a number of slig= htly smaller spaces we could invade. I'd need to get on this several month= s in advance if it were going to happen, since we have performers coming in= all the time and booking conflicts would need to be avoided, but I think I= could pull it off with enough advance time (And I have a few good friends = who would definitely be down for pitching in their efforts). Someone else = brought up the "no place to crash" thing as regards this situation, and tha= t would be an issue, but maybe interested students could host people? Anyw= ay, just throwing this out as a possibility. Otherwise, heck, it's a prett= y cheap bus ride to NYC for me if it winds up there. Anyway, just throwing= that out for consideration. =20 Loop it up good, y'all -Travis --------------------------------------- Original E-mail From: Warren Sirota [wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Date: 05/23/2008 01:16 PM=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just what I can do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. I can do web-based programming or host a page or mp3s on my web site, or get a fresh one for cheap and do it there, for instance. or writing, or probably some other things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 21:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FB33BECC; Tue, 27 May 2008 21:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hxE2CVjbisHP7rkeP6MH6wEdrw8gVfOnloBF94/TAys=; b=H4ItNQb5wT95p2xDD/9WF5LccmhIUh1ILvSC56Jaf0DKYXs7QicT96G9tPtS8pkmccYE3NkGRrywszD6ulGi36o3ECy1fCqp9kAfPVc69+ks663gd8PYesHNyvpujNAmNDtc3lnhBrD75Xul56rgfDxJZu0d/E/+5WT/TTlXGbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V2IpTFDl8I6e7nrosU3vnq4ByJ5kuysjzKmmNNbmyBKWksqqrzPi+Vn0fPzMn3t8Eyn+9Y06ziRFy1K1fNeM9TaJdwacc9yu7kV8JuaQ1J7v7avRSXRBIznJ+7x5Ywn327tCi3dg1dze2JogASgIhBeSr1PbQ97r9PTnolPAHOc= Message-ID: <9e0440a60805271456k49f775aeyc68e36032775fd7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:56:08 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: "Travis Lund" Subject: Re: Re[2]: East Coast Festival of some level Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <181358236.1211924882334.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp22> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <181358236.1211924882334.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp22> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 21:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Travis Though yeah its a hike for those of us based in NY area I'd say Berklee is a wothwhile consideration. Certainly would have some built-in audience. Stay tuned Jim Goodin www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro On 5/27/08, Travis Lund wrote: > People seem pretty centered on the NY/NJ locale, but the suggestion of > somehow tying this into an educational/symposium situation basically demands > that I at least offer this: I'm a Music Synthesis grad student at the > Berklee College of Music in Boston, and I'd be enthusiastic about trying to > put something together for this if people were up for making the trip to > Beantown. Berklee has one huge hall, two decent-sized venues and a number > of slightly smaller spaces we could invade. I'd need to get on this several > months in advance if it were going to happen, since we have performers > coming in all the time and booking conflicts would need to be avoided, but I > think I could pull it off with enough advance time (And I have a few good > friends who would definitely be down for pitching in their efforts). > Someone else brought up the "no place to crash" thing as regards this > situation, and that would be an issue, but maybe interested students could > host people? Anyway, just throwing this out as a possibility. Otherwise, > heck, it's a pretty cheap bus ride to NYC for me if it winds up there. > Anyway, just throwing that out for consideration. > Loop it up good, y'all > -Travis > > --------------------------------------- > Original E-mail > From: Warren Sirota [wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Date: 05/23/2008 01:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level > > Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just what I can > do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. I can do web-based > programming or host a page or mp3s on my web site, or get a fresh one for > cheap and do it there, for instance. or writing, or probably some other > things. > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue May 27 22:50:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38F5C3BED2; Tue, 27 May 2008 22:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:50:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. I don't actually own one - the FX feature is built into my VG-99 and a number of Boss/Roland samplers.. But the stand-alone pedal looks pretty cool. Cheers, TK On May 27, 2008, at 12:51 PM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into > different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? > > Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? > > Buzap > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 01:08:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF873BEC0; Wed, 28 May 2008 01:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 18:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcjATAmH8qBc1T/WQ6Wz992UoU/6kwAExy2g Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <81o0J.A.mMH.LCLPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 01:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted, That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar capabilities - do you happen to know of any? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. I don't actually own one - the FX feature is built into my VG-99 and a number of Boss/Roland samplers.. But the stand-alone pedal looks pretty cool. Cheers, TK On May 27, 2008, at 12:51 PM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into > different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? > > Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? > > Buzap > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 03:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D92E3BE93; Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <488e7b5d736b02eb9d3662d51b126111@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:08:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <6EWTOB.A.2qB.8yMPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Qua, Hi there buddy. I'm afraid I'm the wrong guy to ask much about software . . . yet. I' haven't made the migration to doing all this stuff on a laptop quite yet. I've pared down to a much smaller amount of hardware in preparation to make the switch, But I have not taken the plunge yet. I bet Per or Krispen (or Rick if he weren't tooling around Europe) would have answers for you. Cheers, Ted On May 27, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Hey Ted, > That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar > capabilities - do you happen to know of any? > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51CE13BE8F; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: <9e0440a60805271456k49f775aeyc68e36032775fd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <181358236.1211924882334.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp22> <9e0440a60805271456k49f775aeyc68e36032775fd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-id: <76DE93A6-0A65-4C86-9B38-1C7589D0AEC2@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Re[2]: East Coast Festival of some level Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 02:18:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:18:23 +0000 (UTC) I think Berklee is a great idea. I love beantown. great venues in Berklee. all good... teddy kumpel -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/mistershifty friend me -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows May 29th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island On May 27, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Travis > > Though yeah its a hike for those of us based in NY area I'd say > Berklee is a wothwhile consideration. Certainly would have some > built-in audience. Stay tuned > > Jim Goodin > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro > > On 5/27/08, Travis Lund wrote: >> People seem pretty centered on the NY/NJ locale, but the >> suggestion of >> somehow tying this into an educational/symposium situation >> basically demands >> that I at least offer this: I'm a Music Synthesis grad student at >> the >> Berklee College of Music in Boston, and I'd be enthusiastic about >> trying to >> put something together for this if people were up for making the >> trip to >> Beantown. Berklee has one huge hall, two decent-sized venues and >> a number >> of slightly smaller spaces we could invade. I'd need to get on >> this several >> months in advance if it were going to happen, since we have >> performers >> coming in all the time and booking conflicts would need to be >> avoided, but I >> think I could pull it off with enough advance time (And I have a >> few good >> friends who would definitely be down for pitching in their efforts). >> Someone else brought up the "no place to crash" thing as regards this >> situation, and that would be an issue, but maybe interested >> students could >> host people? Anyway, just throwing this out as a possibility. >> Otherwise, >> heck, it's a pretty cheap bus ride to NYC for me if it winds up >> there. >> Anyway, just throwing that out for consideration. >> Loop it up good, y'all >> -Travis >> >> --------------------------------------- >> Original E-mail >> From: Warren Sirota [wsirota@wsdesigns.com] >> Date: 05/23/2008 01:16 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level >> >> Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just >> what I can >> do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. I can do web- >> based >> programming or host a page or mp3s on my web site, or get a fresh >> one for >> cheap and do it there, for instance. or writing, or probably some >> other >> things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:29:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FB343BEC0; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Gandi Mail Message-ID: <40708.1211956177@m3ch.net> To: Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 123.254.39.171 Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:29:37 +0200 Subject: RE: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? From: mech@m3ch.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:29:38 +0000 (UTC) At 6:08 PM -0700 5/27/08, Qua Veda wrote: > > That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar > capabilities - do you happen to know of any?=20 Qua, There are several out there (try searching online for a MIDI Gater/Gator ef= fect). =20 However, there's a nice plug-in I've used in the past that's published by A= raldFX. =20 It's called StormGate3 and it allows you to split a signal into three separ= ate=20 frequency ranges (with fully variable crossovers) then apply a different ga= te=20 pattern to each range. It depends a lot on your source material -- the greater a frequency range, = the=20 better -- but you can put together some nice rhythmic parts using it. More info at: http://www.araldfx.com/sg3/ --m. _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... l= ater" From do-not-reply@eppicard.com Wed May 28 06:30:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5164 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:30:15 UTC Received: from adi-bearings.com (mail.adi-bearings.com [70.254.54.10]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2BF3BE8F for ; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([75.145.19.141] RDNS failed) by adi-bearings.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 May 2008 22:53:43 -0500 From: "EPPICard Online Department" Subject: EPPICard - Account closure notice Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:47:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2008 03:53:43.0666 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C5B5D20:01C8C076] To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3683BE94; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dJhm9y1FvB802mFDzZQuSA5ieN925PubTi4mW/qN31RV35AzvrGd6DyOVkT7z/UJopJsjKYvJ/KgdtTPCX27mJanx71cPUTUJapZREtINNCLm7Stpg7MmIBZSRTnS6xTBlCCatEEqH8Uar5ZD4fwKBA/Si6OwUHaFSuwfQIM1cE=; X-YMail-OSG: Gu50yGoVM1mYuCYdhzy5S7YmXZuAU5qrvvVmwN_MRyVR0Yi.gXASsllfdZXFMcnBpQthMyz7EhY256qkNhaAhlFDlqZk3UMs_PsVVJ1Lx1251FKmd2j9UgzPNys- Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <154708.89315.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey sanne very nice version of all i need! what fx proccessor are you sing for your vox? ive been thinking of getting the voice tone create! cheers Luis --- "Vocaloop.com" wrote: > Hi sPaCe mOnKeY! > > I'm actually doing what you want to do (I think), > but just with my > voice (and mouthdrum) and I sing covers. > Principle (Pop structure, verse, chorus, bridge..) > is the same, however.. > > I use Mbius (free) as VST within Cantabile > (VST-host, also free) with > a maximum of 4 loops in 1 stereo track, and control > it with a E-mu > Midi-Controller and/or the Behringer FCB1010 Midi > Foot Controller. I > don't use the "Next Loop" function, I just assigned > 4 keys/buttons > from the E-mu/Behringer to Loop 1-4 for easy > switching. > > I use two different setups within Mbius: One which > copies the content > of one loop into the other (Loop Copy=Sound) which I > use the most > (f.i. start with drum, copy it into the other loops > and then overdub > different basslines and other stuff so you can have > your verse, > chorus, bridge and so on..) > The other setup is with Loop Copy=Off and then you > can have your tempo > changes because you basically just record four > different loops. > > example copy=sound : > http://vocaloop.com/stuff/sign.mp3 > example copy=off : > http://vocaloop.com/stuff/allineed.mp3 > > Success! > > Sanne > > http://vocaloop.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 06:54:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D622D3BED2; Wed, 28 May 2008 06:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KDm3gLjf1IrzRWWWWvZh+j/0YFc6QaTvwrKy06pTuXw=; b=cprUoGCT6xhPmYhj+BWKY2bqqNJXK1z2g1IOkZoAm2G9YKn+L9SN6IYiHDsoBeoP+RzLzaO769rCnNyRb3KWmO/D7BpXdo8PIxCHlXWYfq9+F84B+yP2qjqtK8q69ONuz/SMjNTZ27cyp7gpPcnZ3KPniQduHW2P8i3L9KfmRfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ncv9a78YM0Fpa+HOGScW0q2H6t8K16VS1qw9iRgv6B/YK/EKTeeIY2fVjufqz5MiJZHVPTxDp6cylHWuLM4GgeS0ReOZL8BVhH3pQYJ4XpGx7x7/J1hforz4mmy68+Uki4lwQOe6P25iIAYouDYfgZVpNpJX6Vf870dS/YHCCws= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:54:20 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? In-Reply-To: <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Qua, Check out the Cairo Tempo Gate! http://free-loops.com/vst-plugin-21.html I use it to slice up a delay return, pre looper, in my Bidule Mobius setup. The same developer offers some other interesting experimental plug-ins. Here's the presentation text on Cairo Temo Gate: "Cairo Tempo Gate v1.3 is a tempo synchronized gate effect. choose a gate speed, and modify the envelope to cut up your audio into different sized slices, with soft or smooth edges. version 1.2 features: 8 new presets, independent mix for filter and distortion, improved performance & compatibility. the speed parameter can now be automated on CC 23 (or by auto linking on the up/down boxes, not the drop down menu) If you listen to the demo you can tell this plugin sounds like its made for Hard House, and in fact it seems to do really well for the music genre. However it can be used for just about any genre if you just want to edged or gate a beat or track a small amount. It's really a smooth little free vst plugin, and just like the other free vst's at tweakbench they are not computer processor hogs." -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar > capabilities - do you happen to know of any? > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] > Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:27:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB763BED0; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:27:28 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <154708.89315.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080528072728.239520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <154708.89315.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vocal Tone Create (was: Looping Beginner Seeks Help) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uII0xv0juIIym202ysAUg5nw7bm+ue98bM+aXUr GTvuZ+MxP2Oj3QmcL7zonp6drKAKyHhZXEaA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: BXhUJ+JlMydhev5OkWtly9NjaGRhZlqd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi > thinking of getting the voice tone create! > Luis Yeah, I'm also thinking about that. Along with a compressor on the inserts and some EQ it could give a nice vocal chain. But it would yet another pedal on the floor... (any thoughts on the Voice Tone Correct?) Buzap -- Super-Aktion nur in der GMX Spieleflat: 10 Tage fr 1 Euro. ber 180 Spiele downloaden: http://flat.games.gmx.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E382B3BED3; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 02:43:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> Thread-Index: AcjAMwkv+9rnp/i3QEGZWuafDNan9QAYu9ow X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080528074310.88C103BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no longer being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? I waited too late on the holiday sales and missed getting a replacement for the tge-04 foot controller... dave -----Original Message----- From: buzap@gmx.net [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Hi folks do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 07:45:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD7C3BED5; Wed, 28 May 2008 07:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:45:29 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080528074529.69820@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/gm58XDCHgs+Y80JIi+ThgZdYXVLzfekCTRpdLYE 8OiLUkYCf3G+c+WtiuwDlsgtlp/6HCWJqTmQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: ojoIfDNcTiE+Rdp6nGVws899ZUVSRJfa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, folks. The Boss SL-20 looks really nice and - unlike so many guitar fx - has stereo IN/OUTs. Then, again, I've just helped a friend to move to a laptop setup with Ableton and FCB1010 midi pedal. Now, I've started thinking myself: should I stick to my RC-50, get a laptop or maybe wait and see if Mobius works with V-Box (http://www.smproaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73)... Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:04:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC243BED5; Wed, 28 May 2008 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=l0Vu4uVVCyNOYEwKeM6LX/TdYXIrPxRSfTn3Wx1fcO8=; b=ZVpWg4VnLgPePTraExJBKZocDtuBKUb0XTxoyomjE3zXLNe/9r/KAzq9Q+oNdPYHzttSXQb1jq2yu/MfVE5RMxnZi5/sbHkzyrShgro47NuPUCYJ8bwJEAzAJStzRw1U7w+XvRM/tEl2o13uHJy6ObNVTN0LBgEtg3JUps51RTs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ux/Y5I9pPABLBSdS5E+itqftiYtKT5JJx457FYYxvBUXdpmV8MFY6xdB40dDAzS+NjGHdFexTpDGsSR0VDWa0HTl3mtNZNgQeHJ0LRNEIJXZEMHItybuALq8YgIquYA9hidJRQa7gqOx/xPjmpfzH/FPiDI9M9rXvbvmywBTh60= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 01:03:59 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? In-Reply-To: <20080528074310.88C103BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7433_11047006.1211961839683" References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <20080528074310.88C103BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:04:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7433_11047006.1211961839683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It was quietly discontinued some time ago: http://www.aurisis.com/news.htm "*November, 2007:* Kim Flint has left the company to concentrate only on Loopers-Delight. Gibson has stopped manufacturing the Echoplex DP. Yet there are a lot of functions that only our LOOP software can do, because of its tape loop like memory structure. In the next months, we want to update this software for modern hardware, including standard laptops. Keep connected!" While the EDP hardware has been discontinued, what you're probably actually interested in is Loop, the software which ran on the EDP: http://www.aurisis.com/loop.htm "Aurisis develops exciting new technologies and products for the musical instrument industry. We license these technologies to major manufacturers in the industry who use them in their own products. Aurisis Research believes that the time for Looping has come, and our Loop technology is perfectly positioned to dominate this market. The current product can easily be applied to mid-range rack units, inexpensive floor units, or table-top products for DJ's and studios. The latest version is a VST plugin. It is important to offer the same functions for stage and for recording. So far looping was mainly used for training and live playing. To make it spread more, it needs to invade the studios as well. It can improve the recording situation by digging into the magic and recording the original inspirations!" Travis Hartnett On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on > sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a > stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no longer > being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? > > > ------=_Part_7433_11047006.1211961839683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It was quietly discontinued some time ago:

    http://www.aurisis.com/news.htm

    "November, 2007:
    Kim Flint has left the company to concentrate only on Loopers-Delight. Gibson has stopped manufacturing the Echoplex DP. Yet there are a lot of functions that only our LOOP software can do, because of its tape loop like memory structure. In the next months, we want to update this software for modern hardware, including standard laptops. Keep connected!"


    While the EDP hardware has been discontinued, what you're probably actually interested in is Loop, the software which ran on the EDP:

    http://www.aurisis.com/loop.htm

    "Aurisis develops exciting new technologies and products for the musical instrument industry. We license these technologies to major manufacturers in the industry who use them in their own products.

    Aurisis Research believes that the time for Looping has come, and our Loop technology is perfectly positioned to dominate this market. The current product can easily be applied to mid-range rack units, inexpensive floor units, or table-top products for DJ's and studios.

    The latest version is a VST plugin. It is important to offer the same functions for stage and for recording. So far looping was mainly used for training and live playing. To make it spread more, it needs to invade the studios as well. It can improve the recording situation by digging into the magic and recording the original inspirations!"


    Travis Hartnett



    On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> wrote:
    Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is?  It has been blown out on
    sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a
    stocked product.  One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.'  Is it no longer
    being manufactured?  Are they coming out with an upgrade product?



    ------=_Part_7433_11047006.1211961839683-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:09:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C32F73BEDE; Wed, 28 May 2008 08:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=aORkDY3UuVDjRZ3wtGoyw81dxmohsKfzgpx++6vLTeM=; b=OM2QwJVYJQ/CsxN2wlek+rLaUjglvZFxwtUwe7jXxGSKXE/RxY5iNrdHojTdkwZe+Y1WH0CNzrwNG+l8XZhsigYEEjsivu2TCWqNvxyRa7qvL00NTUpMPJHCoCh0PX996cEwW67Gd+3RglSgqDxOWnFuhmVodY+YttwJiBOPX50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EQlOVo9cpU0OfvaYbAmMsdqnzeuYFKfFaodcTICaoCvahjw6Qaw2f2oUGlxV5UVMFEb8KpSb85+GbrznHi1YoXfgL4VXYluensygAiax6U75S4mmMEW1KCrPT6/fB6igsz4nq07LwsCienkjLmBErPqNwrtFBlXItm8G49Bgj1o= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:09:03 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:09:04 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on > sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a > stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no longer > being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small. However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper. I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:21:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3993E3BEDB; Wed, 28 May 2008 08:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:21:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8C071.F35D3AF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcjAmWUsh6gIZBomTS2lZOltcYMtnAAAj+/w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080528082147.DE2D03BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:21:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8C071.F35D3AF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the news, though I hate to see it go out of build. I guess I missed the boat on buying a replacement tge-04 foot controller and may have to bite the bullet with a midi unit. dave _____ From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? It was quietly discontinued some time ago: http://www.aurisis.com/news.htm "November, 2007: Kim Flint has left the company to concentrate only on Loopers-Delight. Gibson has stopped manufacturing the Echoplex DP. Yet there are a lot of functions that only our LOOP software can do, because of its tape loop like memory structure. In the next months, we want to update this software for modern hardware, including standard laptops. Keep connected!" While the EDP hardware has been discontinued, what you're probably actually interested in is Loop, the software which ran on the EDP: http://www.aurisis.com/loop.htm "Aurisis develops exciting new technologies and products for the musical instrument industry. We license these technologies to major manufacturers in the industry who use them in their own products. Aurisis Research believes that the time for Looping has come, and our Loop technology is perfectly positioned to dominate this market. The current product can easily be applied to mid-range rack units, inexpensive floor units, or table-top products for DJ's and studios. The latest version is a VST plugin. It is important to offer the same functions for stage and for recording. So far looping was mainly used for training and live playing. To make it spread more, it needs to invade the studios as well. It can improve the recording situation by digging into the magic and recording the original inspirations!" Travis Hartnett On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no longer being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8C071.F35D3AF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Thanks for the news, though I = hate to see it go out of build.  I guess I missed the boat on buying a = replacement tge-04 foot controller and may have to bite the bullet with a midi = unit.

     

    dave

     

     

     

    From: = Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, = 2008 3:04 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Slightly = OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)?

     

    It was quietly discontinued some time ago:

    http://www.aurisis.com/news.htm<= /a>

    "November, 2007:
    Kim Flint has left the company to concentrate only on Loopers-Delight. = Gibson has stopped manufacturing the Echoplex DP. Yet there are a lot of = functions that only our LOOP software can do, = because of its tape loop like memory structure. In the next months, we want to = update this software for modern hardware, including standard laptops. Keep = connected!"


    While the EDP hardware has been discontinued, what you're probably = actually interested in is Loop, the software = which ran on the EDP:

    http://www.aurisis.com/loop.htm<= /a>

    "Aurisis develops exciting new technologies and products for the musical = instrument industry. We license these technologies to major manufacturers in the = industry who use them in their own products.

    Aurisis Research believes that the time for Looping has come, and our Loop technology is perfectly positioned to dominate this market. The current = product can easily be applied to mid-range rack units, inexpensive floor units, = or table-top products for DJ's and studios.

    The latest version is a VST plugin. It is important to offer the same = functions for stage and for recording. So far looping was mainly used for training and = live playing. To make it spread more, it needs to invade the studios as well. = It can improve the recording situation by digging into the magic and recording = the original inspirations!"

     

    Travis Hartnett

     

    On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> = wrote:

    Does anyone = know what the fate of the EDP is?  It has been blown out on
    sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as = a
    stocked product.  One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.'  Is = it no longer
    being manufactured?  Are they coming out with an upgrade = product?

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8C071.F35D3AF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 08:23:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12C23BEE0; Wed, 28 May 2008 08:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:23:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcjAmhktv3pSRQ+ZT9+WE0nd5FBJngAAczKg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Message-Id: <20080528082320.2A26F3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:23:20 +0000 (UTC) I haven't planned on switching from hardware to software, hauling a dedicated laptop to gigs. I hope I won't have to... Thanks, dave -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on > sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a > stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no longer > being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small. However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper. I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 09:42:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806F63BECC; Wed, 28 May 2008 09:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6yG2kmtgJ1K42pcnNe8XZ6cQVNUbysObdd3SamKrDSA=; b=ZJIgfZXASsigKTpx8TkkBs7sk273XEXocpYRJsziEVZQDdh1O2AaBCIKspnn5FNNQGxWj6XDU//2HrxwicJcRjFjSF1c06ySXlslbC6dFF1neeP4L/qi5tfmJ/kYQD9Krqqz5QP+tBk5iHxfk1f9GD0NVT3dQaE+mD5aVFIrQSw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Gsa7vDyaBX3TIqsZ1EG7l+LTjhzvj2HBzT8ooLxdU6Z8b75MpIUBpTXZDro3fe9DP9Eib7aH9B2f8KeqX6lRENjwx/Kt11gye0i/8C/r0dXOD0ASzvMEqa28NXBB8+pf3qqqDtkzjK4i0H5m+hmkqSZzOkiR67MdaoIbw/wyYrc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:01 +0200 From: Vocaloop.com Sender: vocaloop@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Beginner Seeks Help In-Reply-To: <154708.89315.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <154708.89315.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9d2cb2853d7767d9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:42:03 +0000 (UTC) > very nice version of all i need! Thanks!! > what fx processor are you using for your vox? Voxengo Voxformer http://www.voxengo.com/product/voxformer/ Luconix LFX-1310 http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products-lfx1310.html A lot of MDA plugins http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ PSP Springverb http://www.pspaudioware.com/ (actually not available there, it was a freebie with CM magazine) > ive been thinking of getting the voice tone create! >http://www.voicetonepedals.com/create.html I've been lusting over that one too ;-) Grtz. Sanne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 10:37:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2D53BE8F; Wed, 28 May 2008 10:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Thmi9VcNuRkM0y1cmRsT+x7RTTlt/Gfa1oiHkKkZ/6c=; b=pjbtkuq+Q8iHqQiXOww0cLOFEPPzpPZ230TXkMmjVLgi/JG7MdR93miS9Oy0qtHMwc7y0jy4lVCWTJZguxhDyyhs4qdpjA086n3ZueEmrrrdRuhpGfl3reHxPn/1YAdzKiE1Q9LNGSTtkkYruXgLr0R7GEyih0SxeXFqW/OzAZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o8I5Z1Tg9jPsi2IueeZ10AmANEGbDL2Ozb9ErtW5RIMiudqTwoU8udni7iyu7SW4q6Ryzq2aiT+kNY3FJ4LEuh7UnA/w3XgT5QwI9TWExui36dK2Ldtsr1gsvF42jQ+pTSA980HRiLRk8lrTgQP7pUWKW5XyQQNNCeTT84UlgQo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:37:07 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: East Coast Festival of some level In-Reply-To: <76DE93A6-0A65-4C86-9B38-1C7589D0AEC2@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <181358236.1211924882334.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp22> <9e0440a60805271456k49f775aeyc68e36032775fd7@mail.gmail.com> <76DE93A6-0A65-4C86-9B38-1C7589D0AEC2@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:37:09 +0000 (UTC) We must remember that Santa Cruz (no offense) is not the Center of the Looping Universe ... likewise, The East Coast isn't simply New York/Jersey. While many of my fellow brothers and sisters over here on this side of the US seem painfully averse to traveling more than 10 miles for things, a Festival SHOULD be a gathering together, from some distance. Wherever we wind up doing this, let's be a little less concerned with the specific geographic location and more concerned about what the physical venue has to offer us as performers (yeah, I know gas prices have gotten insane for us and I don't want to have to drive 12 hours, play and turn around and drive 12 hours to get home ... but I can't fly across the country to Idaho or Santa Cruz as easily I can drive to Princeton or Pittsburgh or even Buffalo). We need to have a venue nailed down ... if several of us can come up with different ones, even for different dates, that would be good. I'm still waiting to hear from my friend about the Princeton venue. If Travis can nail down a slot at Berklee, that would be fantastic (I'm MUCH closer to Berklee than to Princeton ... it would be a 40 mile drive for me!). If someone can snag a venue in New York or Philadelphia, that's great too! Several important points would be ease of access to the venue including parking, house sound systems, lodging for overnighters, publicity, free or fee for use, and how long can we play. I know there are other concerns, too. I, for one, would like to be able to do a simulcast of the performance, either as streaming video or audio ... or even a Second Life simulcast. So Internet access would be an additional consideration for me. I wonder if it would be easier to get a venue and let that determine the date? Dennis On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:18 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > I think Berklee is a great idea. > I love beantown. > great venues in Berklee. > all good... > > teddy kumpel > > -- > http://teddyjam.com > new live recordings > -- > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > friend me > -- > Teddy K and Mister Shifty shows > May 29th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC > May 30th at Il Piatto, Oyster Bay, Long Island > > On May 27, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > >> Travis >> >> Though yeah its a hike for those of us based in NY area I'd say >> Berklee is a wothwhile consideration. Certainly would have some >> built-in audience. Stay tuned >> >> Jim Goodin >> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic >> www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro >> >> On 5/27/08, Travis Lund wrote: >>> >>> People seem pretty centered on the NY/NJ locale, but the suggestion of >>> somehow tying this into an educational/symposium situation basically >>> demands >>> that I at least offer this: I'm a Music Synthesis grad student at the >>> Berklee College of Music in Boston, and I'd be enthusiastic about trying >>> to >>> put something together for this if people were up for making the trip to >>> Beantown. Berklee has one huge hall, two decent-sized venues and a >>> number >>> of slightly smaller spaces we could invade. I'd need to get on this >>> several >>> months in advance if it were going to happen, since we have performers >>> coming in all the time and booking conflicts would need to be avoided, >>> but I >>> think I could pull it off with enough advance time (And I have a few good >>> friends who would definitely be down for pitching in their efforts). >>> Someone else brought up the "no place to crash" thing as regards this >>> situation, and that would be an issue, but maybe interested students >>> could >>> host people? Anyway, just throwing this out as a possibility. >>> Otherwise, >>> heck, it's a pretty cheap bus ride to NYC for me if it winds up there. >>> Anyway, just throwing that out for consideration. >>> Loop it up good, y'all >>> -Travis >>> >>> --------------------------------------- >>> Original E-mail >>> From: Warren Sirota [wsirota@wsdesigns.com] >>> Date: 05/23/2008 01:16 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: East Coast Festival of some level >>> >>> Adam, if you've got a space in Philly, I'm in. I don't know just what I >>> can >>> do to help organize it, but I'm available for tasks. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 13:43:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC0D3BEC1; Wed, 28 May 2008 13:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xguj1Cs04BXUZYpm8825zCz7XXHh9CQmZRojkDgzWw6jsQDXJFDz9bHNl0s4Y6YMOuOC4gyNmGxph1t3C6PvzHn207KwggKoAYqDca1ti9neAe3w13jg6W/KyvcA+dtCblZ0K3xGNeo76b+L+IhfeRHz+ZsFqJW2UfxH4B83qvM=; X-YMail-OSG: U1RgD_QVM1kTeofZH3iUgbGlrog56N9nj3m9Z5H5vmbgycAgJGM6krwVboyzAwy.eC7jiALnI.K7SHmJoaB.rxyU_BXkVqOxReLNg_WZVHi6OdEFR6z1NNoCUIA- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Vocal Tone Create (was: Looping Beginner Seeks Help) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080528072728.239520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <957578.98219.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:43:58 +0000 (UTC) I did try the voice tone create shortly at a store,very nice but not very tweakable it has presets that you cannot edit them completely.Lately Ive been pluging in my microphone into my DL4 and i like the sound much better! The harmony G seems also very usable although it has not hit the stores yet,they keep postponing the release date! then there is the new digitech rack vocalist live pro http://www.digitech.com/products/Vocalistlivepro/index.php this seems to have all of the tc electronic pedal features in one so its actually cheaper than buying all those little stomps separately. Ive seen videos of the voice tone correct but it doesnt seem very exciting to me... cheers Luis --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi > > > thinking of getting the voice tone create! > > Luis > > Yeah, I'm also thinking about that. Along with a > compressor on the inserts and some EQ it could give > a nice vocal chain. > But it would yet another pedal on the floor... > (any thoughts on the Voice Tone Correct?) > Buzap > -- > Super-Aktion nur in der GMX Spieleflat: 10 Tage fr > 1 Euro. > ber 180 Spiele downloaden: http://flat.games.gmx.de > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:02:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D783BEC4; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:02:21 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <957578.98219.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080528150221.144200@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <957578.98219.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vocal Tone Create (was: Looping Beginner Seeks Help) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18twvNiwPUt/rAklvMoTwSjTH4W/OFCWrOCx0z+G2 7Z9GK0vweBjXiKrePGbHbOw6jE523b4b8j0A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: yksIfB9yRkkNe91hiGVqondudWkvKJN9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis > very nice but not very tweakable I believe the manual says that you can use something like a "Super Edit Mode" where you can tweak TONS of parameters. So, I don't think that should be an issue. Best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 15:55:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8C53BEC4; Wed, 28 May 2008 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:55:51 +0200 From: buzap@gmx.net Message-ID: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/OVj9sUivOJvt3sLnbrUVXp30RACjHcuRT4F1LF+ KxQtEWRsmsmVFdPGC92C6SH+9+OQ6EeQPByQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: s7IEcFpcYW0tRs1ommdp4lJ8amthcxsc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm taking a serious look at Mobius now and would like to know if it can do something like the "scenes" in Ableton. What I would like to do is: TRACK1: Percussive Loop (synced, runs permanently) TRACK2: My main loop (synced, shift through loops via NextLoop) TRACK3: Additional voicings etc (synced, tracks 2+3 grouped) So the things that I'd like to do: 1. Start with a very basic percussion loop on Track1 that constantly keeps running. => Can be implemented easily I guess using a dedicated Mobius Track that is synced but otherwise just keeps running. 2. When playing a loop in Track2, I'd like to be able to "multiply" into the next loop. => I guess that's NextLoop with LoopCopy=Sound (and maybe AutoRecord). 3. I want to create a fresh next loop in Track2. => I guess that's also easy with NextLoop somehow. 4. Say I already have loops 1/2/3 on my Track. Now, while playing loop2, I'd like to create a next loop that will multiply my current loop2 and will be positioned 1/2/newloop/3 (or possibly 1/2/3/newloop). =>I don't see where I can differentiate if NextLoop means "play the next loop" or "record an additional loop". 5. When playing a multiplied loop, I would like to add additional voicings or riffs. => Should work with an additional Track3 that is in the same Track Group as the original Track2. I could use Mute on Track3 to turn the additional voicings on/off. Now, here comes the trickier part: 6. Say I'm running my loop on Track 2 and have additional voicings simultaneously on Track3. I would like to link them together sort of like Ableton scenes: - Track1: record first loop Track2: nothing - Track1: play first loop Track2: nothing - Track1: play first loop Track2: record first voicings - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings - Track1: record second loop Track2: nothing - Track1: play second loop Track2: nothing - Track1: play second loop Track2: record second voicings - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second voicings - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings (~PreviousLoop) - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second voicings (~NextLoop) - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings (~PreviousLoop) ... => So Previous Loop would either work through some sophisticated Track Group parameters. Alternatively, maybe a script could simply trigger "PrevLoop Track1" + "PrevLoop Track2" at the same time. How would you do it when recording, so that there are always 2 loops in 2 tracks "linked" to each other? I don't need an exact answer for the questions but just a basic notion that these things will work with Mobius. If it can really do what I'd like to do, I'll look further deeper into Mobius. Thanks Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 16:56:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBEA93BEC0; Wed, 28 May 2008 16:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:55:58 -0500 Subject: RE: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? Thread-Topic: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? Thread-Index: AcjA2zOnlngpZ+TjTaiOEJNFxb/8LAAAn4HA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:56:36 +0000 (UTC) > 2. When playing a loop in Track2, I'd like to be able to "multiply" > into the next loop. > =3D> I guess that's NextLoop with LoopCopy=3DSound (and maybe AutoRecord)= . Yes, set LoopCopy=3DSound and SoundCopyMode=3DMultiply. Then remember to hit Multiply or Play when the loop is long enough. Another option is to set LoopCopy=3DSound and SoundCopyMode=3DPlay to just copy the loop without entering multiply mode. Then use one of the Instant Multiply functions to make it as long as you want. If you decide to learn scripting then this can all be done with one button press, for example "wait for the end of the current loop, switch to the next loop making a copy of the current loop, multiply it by 4, and enter overdub mode". > 3. I want to create a fresh next loop in Track2. > =3D> I guess that's also easy with NextLoop somehow. Yes, there several ways to accomplish this. > 4. Say I already have loops 1/2/3 on my Track. Now, while playing > loop2, I'd like to create a next loop that will multiply my current > loop2 and will be positioned 1/2/newloop/3 (or possibly > 1/2/3/newloop). > =3D>I don't see where I can differentiate if NextLoop means "play the nex= t > loop" or "record an additional loop". You can't easily insert a loop into the loop list and push the existing loops down. In your example inserting a new loop between 2 and 3 with loop 3 then becomming loop 4. We might be able to accomplish this with a script. You can get to 1/2/3/newloop by using one of the direct loop switch functions (Loop Trigger 4, etc.) or by pressing Next Loop twice before the switch point. In general the automatic behavior of the loop switch functions is defined by the contents of the target loop (empty or full) and the various preset parameters like LoopCopy mode. If you use scripts you can go beyond the default behavior and make more complex decisions. > 5. When playing a multiplied loop, I would like to add additional voicing= s or riffs. > =3D> Should work with an additional Track3 that is in the same Track Grou= p as the > original Track2. I could use Mute on Track3 to turn the additional voi= cings on/off. I'm not exactly sure what you want but it sounds like adding tracks that are the same size as the multiplied loop, recording riffs into them, then turning them on and off. This is a typical use of tracks. You don't need the Track Group feature for this, you would use Track Sync to record tracks that are an exact multiple of another track. > Now, here comes the trickier part: > 6. Say I'm running my loop on > Track 2 and have additional voicings simultaneously on Track3. I would > like to link them together sort of like Ableton scenes: > - Track1: record first loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play first loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play first loop Track2: record first voicings > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings So far so good. Basic record on track 1, switch to track 2 and record with Track Sync or use one of several options to initialize track 2 with an empty loop an exact multiple of track 1. > - Track1: record second loop Track2: nothing Assuming we transition here with track 1 and 2 playing, this would be a Mute on track 2 a switch over to track 1, and probably a Next Loop with LoopCopy=3DTiming to make sure the second loop is the same size as the first (assuming you want consistent sync). You can do this with your feet but this is an example of the sort of "track management" that is often done with scripts. > - Track1: play second loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play second loop Track2: record second voicings Switch over to track 2 which is still running but muted, and do a Next Loop with Auto Record enabled. > - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second voicings > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings (~PreviousLoop) > - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second voicings (~NextLoop) > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first voicings (~PreviousLoop) > ... > =3D> So Previous Loop would either work through some sophisticated Track = Group > parameters. Alternatively, maybe a script could simply trigger > "PrevLoop Track1" + "PrevLoop Track2" at the same time. This is an example of synchronized functions spread over multiple tracks, in this case PreviousLoop and NextLoop. You can do this with the Focus Lock or Track Groups features but I generally use scripts. > I don't need an exact answer for the questions but just a basic notion > that these things will work with Mobius. If it can really do what I'd > like to do, I'll look further deeper into Mobius. In general I think you can get close to what you want but you'll probably have to get into scripting. It's a bit of a learning curve but quite powerful. Feel free to post on the Mobius Yahoo group if you have any more questions or need script examples. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050C53BECC; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:01:26 -0500 Subject: RE: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Thread-Topic: Looping Beginner Seeks Help Thread-Index: AcjAHCwQ1A0kp2UzRLyIIgJIuTvlzQAx5FWw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D0D@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <324576.43586.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <324576.43586.qm@web45915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC) > I have a follow up question for the list: How do you make Mobius > emulate the boomerang ability to switch to Next Loop AND start Record > at the end of the currently running loop? Likewise, when done > recording on the second loop, is there a similar command to goto > Previous Loop AND Stop Record on current loop? There are several ways to do this. With scripts it can be made to work exactly like the Boomerang, without scripts you can get the same result but it may take more footswitch presses. If you want the next loop to be an exact multiple of the first, then use the Auto Record function after Next Loop or set the LoopCopy parameter to Timing. Feel free to post to the Mobius Yahoo group if you would like some script examples. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:16:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5A703BED2; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:16:01 -0500 Subject: RE: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Thread-Topic: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Thread-Index: AcjAlrLBkm4hGCprTlmSfFFdlPHWIwAToexQ Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com> <20080528074529.69820@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080528074529.69820@gmx.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:16:39 +0000 (UTC) > Now, I've started thinking myself: should I stick to my RC-50, get a > laptop or maybe wait and see if Mobius works with V-Box Never say never, but I can guarantee you that Mobius will not run on a V-Box for a long time. I have however made some progress on a Mac port so you're more likely to see that before a V-Box port. I've done some design work on a "Mobius Lite" that could be more easily ported to custom hardware but it isn't something I'm very interested in. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:21:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00A1A3BEDA; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=5m3VAuyKCkVt0EQqYl8tQh1RCoNHyZaejRTQxtmwN/8=; b=mc6PaJh2r2t6aZgVDTh/nezPBMRqUiM5AdC4bQi0Zozf49IpJ3W6PdGZps8Y9+vdeYHSdD662UaKNDATRaCxa+GLSnkWfUKKgYVt2uq6wSIIPlOTyk5XU8vIXLfTcFWTV2EOO/RmEHIScgOg38bPFbWW1hDeN6HgvvE014lseJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=TxApennQKkud6leOC4TL7luI/9CCdQkgBw5tKCPZEgE/DEOvE26GAIYpr9TP4pMyL4ELEyCbfH4R+MQjTgL029yL/cHNr/EFWEpTv179FArCmKUiwKhPlc0FrMOS50YQf0SHZZkliSI+g91M54oCY4/U8bbEK1ytLNTd8PN8+zY= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:355052019 Message-ID:<355052019-1211995249-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1420092960-@bxe025.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: toddreyn@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com><20080528074529.69820@gmx.net><7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? From: toddreyn@gmail.com Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:21:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC) O=20my=20god=20jeff.=20Noit=20to=20rush=20you,=20=20but=20any=20idea=20on= =20a=20time=20frame=20for=20a=20mac=20port?=20=20Don't=20want=20to=20make= =20u=20sorry=20you=20mentioned=20it=20lol.=20Todd Sent=20from=20my=20Verizon=20Wireless=20BlackBerry -----Original=20Message----- From:=20Jeff=20Larson=20 Date:=20Wed,=2028=20May=202008=2012:16:01=20 To:"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"=20 Subject:=20RE:=20Splice=20'em=20up=20FX=20Pedal=20(other=20than=20Echoplex)= ? >=20Now,=20I've=20started=20thinking=20myself:=20should=20I=20stick=20to=20= my=20RC-50,=20get=20a >=20laptop=20or=20maybe=20wait=20and=20see=20if=20Mobius=20works=20with=20V= -Box Never=20say=20never,=20but=20I=20can=20guarantee=20you=20that=20Mobius=20wi= ll=20not=20run=20on=20a V-Box=20for=20a=20long=20time.=20=20I=20have=20however=20made=20some=20prog= ress=20on=20a=20Mac port=20so=20you're=20more=20likely=20to=20see=20that=20before=20a=20V-Box= =20port. I've=20done=20some=20design=20work=20on=20a=20"Mobius=20Lite"=20that=20coul= d=20be=20more easily=20ported=20to=20custom=20hardware=20but=20it=20isn't=20something=20I= 'm very=20interested=20in. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:41:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5563BED5; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "toddreyn@gmail.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:41:03 -0500 Subject: RE: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Thread-Topic: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Thread-Index: AcjA5xdHRbrB/nmpQ/OJ/AUUiOVvLwAAsQhA Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D20@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com><20080528074529.69820@gmx.net><7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> <355052019-1211995249-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1420092960-@bxe025.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <355052019-1211995249-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1420092960-@bxe025.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:41:42 +0000 (UTC) > From: toddreyn@gmail.com [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] > O my god jeff. Noit to rush you, but any idea on a time frame for a > mac port? It's my primary project right now but I don't have as much time to spend on this as I had in the past so it's hard to say when it will be finished. A few months at best, probably closer to year end. It will have the same ugly user interface and only be available as a VST plugin at first. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 17:52:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CD6F3BEDB; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 826 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:49 UTC Message-ID: <483D9910.8000505@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:40:32 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Qua, a very nice one is in Audiomulch, but that's not a Vst, for now.... luca Qua Veda ha scritto: > Hey Ted, > That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar > capabilities - do you happen to know of any? > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:50 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? > > Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. > > I don't actually own one - the FX feature is built into my VG-99 and a > number of Boss/Roland samplers.. > > But the stand-alone pedal looks pretty cool. > > > > Cheers, > > TK > > On May 27, 2008, at 12:51 PM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: > > >> Hi folks >> >> do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into >> different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? >> >> Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? >> >> Buzap >> -- >> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! >> Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 26/05/2008 15.23 >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 18:43:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EC553BECD; Wed, 28 May 2008 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007801c8c0f2$c2ce0780$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <483D9910.8000505@unguitar.com> Subject: audiomulch pitch shifting Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:43:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Niq9eYHEHR27jkwtEPTtB/gYyGNVZaa6W4o+ x2yhzWwsoGhRqo5MtnoE1KJCou1s7Xy/L2QKF08XYuCuMjzwFC a4RWGYtBUsLTYGSn9Fv0DE2rumaT/Z2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC) so how does audiomulch's shifter sound? and is it quick? and how is the looping side? smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? > Qua, > a very nice one is in Audiomulch, but that's not a Vst, for now.... > luca > > Qua Veda ha scritto: >> Hey Ted, >> That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar >> capabilities - do you happen to know of any? >> -Qua >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, May >> 27, 2008 3:50 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? >> >> Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. >> >> I don't actually own one - the FX feature is built into my VG-99 and a >> number of Boss/Roland samplers.. >> >> But the stand-alone pedal looks pretty cool. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> TK >> >> On May 27, 2008, at 12:51 PM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: >> >> >>> Hi folks >>> >>> do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop into >>> different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? >>> >>> Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? >>> >>> Buzap >>> -- >>> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! >>> Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - >>> Release Date: 26/05/2008 15.23 >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 18:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 960A63BEDE; Wed, 28 May 2008 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=tvM5JHeUF/mH1N0nXUrVXldGDjeYrPiEd4osE3yVur6mvlmTPIGc0z0IqH9sem6KffF81QRDoEacKOXyE0AZIrDX/feuI/nkeWIdwZj4v7Gw3PyOgPDIeQMOIiJ3//cpnWrU/zX5nX9KoGf/WaCyQIyWtJFgJ4VjTKVAv5Q0Swk= ; X-YMail-OSG: BiyjGMoVM1kim9vx_AiMZ.aYFpqBZhA6m2w5.q1co8b1PjjM1xZvnI0M_2sydTEW88IYf0kgkh8o.qyZK3qhu0LDfvCDPi8HvuWLjGXvIZTyGYm.Il2KjPembZWz_yW4.sRx4cwPXQTgL3Cyz4PtgtNW X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <629226.41490.qm@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <03bb01c8bf46$e9f67c00$6901a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--382616232 Message-Id: From: Matt Stevens Subject: London Gig Spam Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:45:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <3F6v0.A.XpD.xgaPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--382616232 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello guys I'm playing tomorrow - a few songs at an open mic, hot looping action.... 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:16:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3716A3BEC7; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:16:23 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> Message-ID: <20080528211623.18130@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <66f9cc1e0805272354g6a08db6at4a9d97fb340b8b3e@mail.gmail.com> <20080528074529.69820@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D16@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: RE: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19RCANsPQxRjN4Cm7dtNfu2k14/m3CpeH4wx5el66 RlXj74Ya5I+JR7TjL0AsBes9jmFUX7+U2uZA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 6L5cLHxma0A7X8h0jjAzb3E/Njh6dE7H Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff > I have however made some progress on a Mac > port so you're more likely to see that before a V-Box port. Count me as a beta tester :-))) Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:32:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C553BED5; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:32:50 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> Message-ID: <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: RE: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+VOXEByVaVcZSwPYposn8fq6tJ/AZNrFcDyCA/Uo AsfuXbIjJPMru6sSsCcNULz4epN9Es3kwQDg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: tv0Peyk6PTR+DZ4oyjMwonk5c2tpZMtz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff very kind of you. Indeed, for what I'm trying to do scripting probably is the best option. In fact, a better way to move through different song parts (scenes) probably would be to use a track for each "scene". So I could bounce a track with Track Copy into a new one and write a script that sets a specific track active and mutes all others. This all sounds promising. Especially the scripting part: I can do pretty much what I want on the RC-50. But I wouldn't dare to risk such foot acrobatics on stage. Too risky... Putting all the scripting you need on just one pedal is very tempting indeed. Now the question is: should I cram out an old Win laptop for Mobius use or wait for the Mac version? :-) thanks Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal fr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690CA3BED0; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:37:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483DD0D5.9000700@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:38:29 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: audiomulch pitch shifting References: <20080527195115.190100@gmx.net> <000b01c8c05f$58a7b0b0$09f71210$@com> <483D9910.8000505@unguitar.com> <007801c8c0f2$c2ce0780$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <007801c8c0f2$c2ce0780$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:37:00 +0000 (UTC) mmmmhhhh.... I've never tried it's pitch shift in stand alone. I usually use it to process a sliced, granulated sound. same is for looping: only looping I use in AM is the nice "freeze" function you can find in certain modules. It reminds me the first almost-looper I met: the so called freeze on my Yamaha Spx 90 ( old times). Mobius is inside AM for proper looping ;-) Anyway, I find AM an excellent sw to host vsts and do routing/mixing/splitting/cakes/pizzas. my best, luca Tilmann Dehnhard ha scritto: > so how does audiomulch's shifter sound? > and is it quick? > and how is the looping side? > > smooth looping - tilmann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? > > >> Qua, >> a very nice one is in Audiomulch, but that's not a Vst, for now.... >> luca >> >> Qua Veda ha scritto: >>> Hey Ted, >>> That's pretty cool. I suppose there are s/w VST's that have similar >>> capabilities - do you happen to know of any? >>> -Qua >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, >>> May 27, 2008 3:50 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? >>> >>> Take a look at the Boss SL-20 Slicer pedal. >>> >>> I don't actually own one - the FX feature is built into my VG-99 and >>> a number of Boss/Roland samplers.. >>> >>> But the stand-alone pedal looks pretty cool. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> TK >>> >>> On May 27, 2008, at 12:51 PM, buzap@gmx.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi folks >>>> >>>> do you know any available fx pedals that can shred & mix a loop >>>> into different compontents (more compact than Echoplex)? >>>> >>>> Additionally any (simple) software plugin doing this? >>>> >>>> Buzap >>>> -- >>>> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! >>>> Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - >>>> Release Date: 26/05/2008 15.23 >>>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 26/05/2008 15.23 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0C53BEC1; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JHDs76/Qm+v5W4PHi6upU7oMWvKCFiqBW8lBycxAXe0=; b=b4HBEkob7sG2z+tZKOM9nviefGMnEKPeklqGQaKb/AS4Uv230PrrggKW5tuwzN8GC3dZ2p8g/Ply1UyrEAoZ/6Mb/JFYn9ubHXtThSCx1sO5xJa/tTMNLdTH33cACuZpcVaxzzGmuez1LqA39F709jIp9c1n9G+3TIJTwf5Flbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPpiUX4CbH6HX2KNub103VsHU27kvZysPCrV/rF7d4IPgDM3fGW44Ah/IdvAkQmXJsNne8gmPwsLoB8VogEpWaE84jVuddz/S4d6GfzKXRnAy2uInrnjRWgXZy4zz8AgmthyFyJyfqjz5qw6FgtCMFrnoKF+V1dJaqqV4bwaTcA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:43:59 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? In-Reply-To: <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:44:00 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Now the question is: should I cram out an old Win laptop for Mobius use or wait for the Mac version? :-) > > thanks > Buzap You can run Windows on a modern Mac while waiting for the Mac version. That's what I'm doing. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 21:47:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C25D3BED5; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c8c10c$6498c140$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Slicer pedal? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:47:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C8C114.C63BBE90"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C8C114.C63BBE90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0049_01C8C114.C63BBE90" ------=_NextPart_001_0049_01C8C114.C63BBE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankInteresting veering into software... but has anybody had a chance = to try the pedal yet? I was a bit disapointed by the demo from the = Roland website but sort of asume that it has far more potential than = that(?) and the onboard looper...? how much potential - useful = experimental pedal or gimic? Anyone know more than the pre-release = advertising? Anyone tried one yet? Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_0049_01C8C114.C63BBE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
    Interesting veering into software... but has anybody had a chance = to try=20 the pedal yet? I was a bit disapointed by the demo from the Roland = website but=20 sort of asume that it has far more potential than that(?) and the = onboard=20 looper...? how much potential - useful experimental pedal or gimic? = Anyone know=20 more than the pre-release advertising? Anyone tried one yet?
    Ian.
     

     

    ------=_NextPart_001_0049_01C8C114.C63BBE90-- ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C8C114.C63BBE90 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <004701c8c10c$64729ba0$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C8C114.C63BBE90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 23:32:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62153BE94; Wed, 28 May 2008 23:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bWRJ5tsyBfaAiTmHSm4R+w)" In-reply-to: <004c01c8c10c$6498c140$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> References: <004c01c8c10c$6498c140$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> X-Priority: 3 Message-id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: The Slicer pedal? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:32:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:32:32 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_bWRJ5tsyBfaAiTmHSm4R+w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Isn't it just a tempo synced filter? Thats what it sounds like. On May 28, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Interesting veering into software... but has anybody had a chance > to try the pedal yet? I was a bit disapointed by the demo from the > Roland website but sort of asume that it has far more potential > than that(?) and the onboard looper...? how much potential - useful > experimental pedal or gimic? Anyone know more than the pre-release > advertising? Anyone tried one yet? > Ian. > > --Boundary_(ID_bWRJ5tsyBfaAiTmHSm4R+w) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Isn't it just a tempo synced filter? Thats what it sounds = like.=A0
    On May 28, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Ian Popperwell = wrote:

    Interesting veering into = software... but has anybody had a chance to try the pedal yet? I was a = bit disapointed by the demo from the Roland website but sort of asume = that it has far more potential than that(?) and the onboard looper...? = how much potential - useful experimental pedal or gimic? Anyone know = more than the pre-release advertising? Anyone tried one = yet?
    Ian.
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    = --Boundary_(ID_bWRJ5tsyBfaAiTmHSm4R+w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 23:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7CB3BED3; Wed, 28 May 2008 23:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed In-reply-to: <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> Message-id: <24630E99-E984-430D-9ACF-09F92863D284@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:34:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <84JixB.A.xTH.tvePIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:34:05 +0000 (UTC) There's a rumor floating around that an official Virtual EDP is coming soon. Anyone else hear this as well? On May 28, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> >> Now the question is: should I cram out an old Win laptop for >> Mobius use or wait for the Mac version? :-) >> >> thanks >> Buzap > > > You can run Windows on a modern Mac while waiting for the Mac version. > That's what I'm doing. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed May 28 23:59:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5D03BED0; Wed, 28 May 2008 23:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Nb5fy7Y1lDJTh7CQshR19+sWc+ZWIA2KCKVXGJh/M7DlnQcR0+srIDuVb5a+1+hM; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-Id: <41E1A484-731D-4D56-84F0-447093AA59C0@earthlink.net> From: Cara Quinn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080528082320.2A26F3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Subject: Re: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:59:52 -0700 References: <20080528082320.2A26F3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c2609cce3b20c940e55744a654effe3d525ae3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.94.193.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:59:54 +0000 (UTC) I totally agree! but I'm actually coming at this from a completely =20= different angle. Being visually impaired, believe it or not, most =20 audio recording / effects processing software on the Mac is currently =20= notoriously bad at being accessible with the Mac screen reading =20 software. So, for me, unfortunately, hardware is still the best option. So essentially, this rules out all sorts of audio plugin options =20 and such for looping, effects, etc. So my concern with a software =20 based EDP (though I'd love it) would be that it may either rely on =20 current audio packages or follow in the same paradigm for relying on =20 ultra custom GUI controls that VoiceOver cannot see. My hope would be =20= that any visually impaired looping musos wouldn't be locked out of what would =20 be a really terrific step forward for the EDP looping paradigm! :) I for one would love to beta test such software if it happens, Not =20= only to avoid that kind of situation, but also just because I =20 personally would love to go virtual as it were, rather than having =20 gear to think about. Thanks so much for the updates, All!=85 Have an awesome evening!=85 Smiles, Cara :) On May 28, 2008, at 1:23 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > I haven't planned on switching from hardware to software, hauling a > dedicated laptop to gigs. I hope I won't have to... > > Thanks, > > dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal =20 > (other > than Echoplex)? > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher =20= > wrote: >> Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown =20 >> out on >> sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a >> stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no =20= >> longer >> being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? > > > No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can > recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not > fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small. > > However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that > he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper. > I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original > virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper > software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all > had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally > capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new > exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'. > > --=20 > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 01:06:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74A2F3BED9; Thu, 29 May 2008 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <004c01c8c10c$6498c140$6500a8c0@customer3530f5> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:06:03 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: The Slicer pedal? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:06:10 +0000 (UTC) At 7:32 PM -0400 5/28/08, Chris Sewell wrote: >Isn't it just a tempo synced filter? Thats what it sounds like. Actually, to be pedantic, it's more like a stereo LFO-driven VCA (which, in a much more crude form, is also known as your basic Tremolo unit). The hook here is merely that the LFO is on steroids, with multiple waveforms and the ability to generate patterns, in addition to tempo sync. There is some filtering/crossover which happens for one of the algorithms (in order to have the upper-frequency content pulsing in a different pattern than the lower frequency content) as well as some panning functions to force the pulses to ping-pong between channels. And then there's the single-layer Hold-mode (aka Phrase Sampling) Looper, which can be used to capture up to 40 seconds of audio, either with or without the slicer effect. You can also get the same sorts of effects (sans Looper) from some of the current stock of boutique tremolo units. In particular, the Lightfoot Labs Goatkeeper could do similar functions, as could the ZVex Tremorama. And I believe there's a unit from Empress that treads similar territory as well. Or, you might as well take Rainer's advice from a few months ago and get a used Nord MicroModular, which could do all this (and more) in its sleep. The Boss unit might be a cool toy; I've been watching it for a bit. I'm definitely intrigued but, like Ted, I've got a lot of that same functionality built into my VG-99. I should probably be programming for that rather than feeding an ever-present case of GAS. ;) --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 01:43:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E33C3BED0; Thu, 29 May 2008 01:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=0gl+ZR0jkexhDkcQiBya3V/ODQOLQysudXcfLsJkD9U=; b=EGT9yf/reailBpdAe2HsPjC4gyZtEj96ojHiZbZNohkREHeqHPoNW06m0N4fSxB3+X+rtUl1LqjH8Xm4fIHUB1BUZXQ60FZeuvGUjnDoQtASyqWXGHAcihdhaKjyw1nboCH2ixWShwoOZwhWxJVDonRhxPuJ8YkVsU4G+2nMz8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hN6BoUPrqj2veB5+F148+id+2l82cMmrApQsKHLvcFRhWIDoUIyiGzdbykRx7FGPcCObryziMMOxJ5+auCNWG9ZL+y7K/UVcwo70Oz1yBAkd6TkZKQB9YmbnX0P9WOQkvokdI8lqzVLmAw7Ewzkhkm6Saa6h2d34pWr3jS1AIw8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:43:42 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Greater Boston Gig Spam: Open Sound at Third Life Studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Apologies for the late announcement ... things have been a little crazy of late. Here are the details: at Third Life Studio 33 Union Square (Somerville Ave) Somerville, MA Saturday, 5/31 8:00pm http://www.thirdlifestudio.com/directions.html http://www.thirdlifestudio.com/5-31-08.html OPENSOUND EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC SERIES presents Dennis Moser, electric guitar and synthesizer Matt Samolis and friends -- drones, cymbals, glass, movement! doors open at 7:30; concert at 8pm Suggested Donation: $7 contact: Lou Bunk 617-650-2065 www.opensound.org Metal and Glass Ensemble, drones, cymbals, glass, movement! Matt Samolis, flute, metal & glass; Heather Townsend, metal and glass Michael Punzak, violin, etc. Thadd Comstock, metal & and glass Grant Smith, bowls, gongs, etc. Valerie Thompson, cello; =85with bodydrama, butoh-style movement Betty Wang, Rachael Rosner, Dorian Ros, Joe Burgio Dennis Moser, electric guitar and synth Qfwfq duo Andrea Pensado, sound Greg Kowalski, interactive digital art Hope some of you can make it by ... I guarantee there WILL be looping! ~~ Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 07:46:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD493BED6; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1618 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 29 May 2008 07:46:55 UTC Message-ID: <483E5918.3000507@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:52 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxliste , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net, pd-List , SuperCollider users mailing list , csound@lists.bath.ac.uk, degemnews-owner@yahoogroups.com, cec-conference@concordia.ca Subject: Max retreat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, As my studio is moving to La Tourette in France which is the famous monastery designed by Le Corbussier and Xenakis, I'd like to know how much interest would be for participation to set up a Max retreat there... I'd plan it for around the last two weeks of july, but have to propose it to the organisers there and nothing is fixed, could be also in a completely different time slot/duration... These two weeks would give space for working on a personal project, in a beautiful landscape, an inspiring place and with colleagues which could help to break the creative knots. I will be giving an introduction into Max for beginners and will show my tricks to advanced Max users alike. The only requirement would be that the manual had been read, and the tutorials had been gone through once. (elsewise it would be a little waist of time...;-) It would be open to users of Pd, SC, Csound and similar tools as well, but my personal experience with these tools is not as profound as with Max... (There must be an area where I keep my spirit of being a newbie alive...) At the end we would be able to present our results to the public... If you are interested in such a retreat (at any time), please answer me off list... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 09:57:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 833D33BED2; Thu, 29 May 2008 09:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=jzlO/tP7+RWKGMsm3+WIoxO9RLBTd8M/PormLDuBcUk=; b=SFABWJDb2Ex6wPMnZjyRTQqdiD5/qc8Yb5Bl9qG1OFC7lo6fBYf/fNvIZWx3n5ENekEIxBW+k4r2JnIYiCKVa8RqL1Hi7rrhQ60/fVXCdRJgud9+moq3LQvXt6aW6+5ac1VpFXWApIYizDmKD3xpbb/VeridupQOE3NyN3b1Cg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Saksa6V0K0HSxtoPdF5gdZ0fZAeRuJY338rykm6ncPFXtOtXcTsHuI49f8v6hw3rYNp9uryzzajVJON9afqDkXExXMoEHz9V2RjShiFZVUp3VOzbVRyEbOgx0NCo0g+zCuVYkrbtbEfRVmmvp0kdqkuOOqt3yUyUmMRIWDdatxI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805290257h70bb325cxe2841e65eb704645@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:57:24 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: OT - video blog: Rick Walker Shreds in Norway ;-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I filmed with my crappy cell phone thingy at Oslo Concert House before the Improlectronica gig and this kalimba shredding of Rick's just came out so great! Love Rick's facial expression while hacking in on the distortion! http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=309724047&blogID=400522819 No looping though, folks. Just fun. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 10:39:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEE8E3BEDA; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 06:39:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <483E87CF.4070108@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:39:58 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Sobbing Stone" by Stephen Philips on Dark Duck Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may Become a friend of Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, May 31 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From sorteo@ssuper33.orangehome.co.uk Thu May 29 12:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 306 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:08:30 UTC Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03883BED2 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 12:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (mwinf3111 [172.22.158.35]) by mwinf3110.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 46BAF1C008B4 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8C84E7000084; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf3107 (wwinf3107 [172.22.158.50]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0DF097000081; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:20 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20080529120320571.0DF097000081@mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com From: sorteo@ssuper33.orangehome.co.uk Reply-To: sorteo@ssuper33.orangehome.co.uk Message-ID: <1805224.441091212062599957.JavaMail.www@wwinf3107> Subject: OFFIZIELLE GEWINNBENACHRITIGUNG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30271_21981085.1212062599956" X-Originating-IP: [89.6.177.184] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-CCI: |~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~||~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:03:20 +0200 (CEST) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; ------=_Part_30271_21981085.1212062599956 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OFFIZIELLE GEWINNBENACHRITIGUNG Plaza Romano N=C2=B019 Planta 5 28011 Madrid, Spain. =20 (=C3=9CBERSETZTE KOPIE) VON SITZ DES VIZE PRASIDENTEN = =20 REFERENZNUMMER: ILC 25456009 NM=20 BEARBEITUNGSNUMMER: 8800133/IPD/08 = =20 =20 ATTNENTION: NUTZNIESSER Hiermit informieren wir Sie uber das Ergebnis der SUPER SORTEO LOTTERY/INTE= RNATIONAL PROGRAMME, die am 21.FEB.2008 stattgefunden hat. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 14:10:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 267423BED5; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:10:16 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Wb5JNxweWQ8QRAA10n6Q8qSJ0sD9qT7CEr1g77I Yiy4hVEfgcuecmw7d+sn8jjpBnEY9jTb3rcA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: H9xMaEYIeSEqMch4kHUhbI9+IGRvb8Ap Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per > You can run Windows on a modern Mac while waiting for the Mac version. I was trying to avoid dual boot... I'll check if my old Win notebook is good enough for the job. But Mobius is really fun. I've played around and was able to do most of the things I want with only two loops - without any scripting :-) Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 14:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AAE3BED9; Thu, 29 May 2008 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B3TM890YsombUG/q9uxAbLbnOSLvMdJN7eQuzOp/z3I=; b=hmYN5AGBd0kYpPCatsFYOrkXXxy7Jg4BMgOpuJvMB5FFpHabzMqhsR+sPG94Tk4XysmSU5rTB3Y1UPLzAj9CmdlkHSkBBvldCYWrVhQda/ulbkOlEmt7l4oVhPyGD59tbFyCIRgUWKbepFw8k/kpwFB7ja5HX7WT2iZhwVLECUg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vlPHD/KiKiXOEwbjw07pMWbi1AySwMASFrQo4tj3N2UzD1j3sOvaxP65RaIBxppg1kzN14x6pMeLaAhWqIktKl3Du56rPe+5a66Gszto/Ec8PpXzYCzZiyODEHmHQUcRc2U6EOtJbeajfYnzKILfJXJFAe/SMLRae1vtCEeJKgw= Message-ID: <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:46:54 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? In-Reply-To: <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Technically, you don't have to dual boot to run windows apps on a mac. Parallels (among others) allows you to run windows apps from within OSX, side by side with your mac apps. However, this setup might not work well for Mobius as we're dealing with millisecond latency and synchronization. Mobius may prefer a simple dual boot system so windows has direct access to the hardware. I haven't run Mobius like this so I don't know. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Per > >> You can run Windows on a modern Mac while waiting for the Mac version. > I was trying to avoid dual boot... I'll check if my old Win notebook is good enough for the job. > > But Mobius is really fun. I've played around and was able to do most of the things I want with only two loops - without any scripting :-) > > Buzap > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 16:30:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36313BED6; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483ED9FC.4010805@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:29:48 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Looping venue help redux References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <92b2uD.A.2J.potPIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone for their responses to my earlier post about venues, I've hit my goal of 30 dates for my summer tour. However, I'm looking to book one more loop-friendly date for Chinapainting, within 3-4 hours of NYC; we have Brooklyn and Manhattan shows but are trying to get out of town a bit. Thinking New Jersey, CT, Baltimore, mid-state NY...any suggestions? Other than the Space in CT, Sound Lab in Buffalo (thanks to a suggestion from member Radio Radio) and Van Gogh's Ear in NJ, I haven't been able to dig very much up. (I had tons of Philadelphia leads, thanks to Tony K among others, but nothing worked out there unfortunately..) thanks thanks for any help...offline please. indebted, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 16:30:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135F13BEE6; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=djawmFYDsyEkbhtjJwtftJ1BiM+7Wey0olNyDh9rZmY=; b=ESK1baA/48wQFEFCTZOEKKwiHRprMhF7Gw1bU4EXXsIrssyoitMTxD6LTCTakNVn88euK7MQrLnRteAwAGqY4T0WO20w0ZDpUNJxH8ZxluSnfSi/Cmp6GU23B2WUpHJDaLuRYQKzaiGqltxJqwDAPjtsd/LGWgAKl4DwE1WWuSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bbAymkc49C+S/JXAUBmX47qg76Kqgs1eiTJE5tyOYxDRh/KS0GfF/OlxKOu1tOBhdkJzSgxj4hYjZWh2FH9uRq61sB+QRln0aXmZ5EfWiphrvXwgBFQXLj1caFcSdC6OESxO95FD7TfF2ka+0m2rhbjyLfcvjAACq5NkuEDmhKw= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:30:41 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3645_156895.1212078641391" References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3645_156895.1212078641391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I saw several months back on Auroreliseseses (or whatever the heck they're called) website, that Gibson has discontinued production of the EDP. That company, auraorororelsisisis is the group that developed the Loop (I, II, III, IV) software for the Echoplex. Oddly, they also state that Kim Flint had resigned in order to work on Loopers Delight full time. Though, I have seen no changes...much less improvement...in the site. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > > Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on > > sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a > > stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no > longer > > being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? > > > No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can > recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not > fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small. > > However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that > he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper. > I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original > virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper > software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all > had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally > capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new > exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > ------=_Part_3645_156895.1212078641391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I saw several months back on Auroreliseseses (or whatever the heck they're called) website, that Gibson has discontinued production of the EDP. That company, auraorororelsisisis is the group that developed the Loop (I, II, III, IV) software for the Echoplex. Oddly, they also state that Kim Flint had resigned in order to work on Loopers Delight full time. Though, I have seen no changes...much less improvement...in the site.


    On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> wrote:
    > Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is?  It has been blown out on
    > sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a
    > stocked product.  One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.'  Is it no longer
    > being manufactured?  Are they coming out with an upgrade product?


    No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can
    recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not
    fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small.

    However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that
    he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper.
    I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original
    virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper
    software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all
    had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally
    capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new
    exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'.

    --
    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)
    www.stockholm-athens.com


    ------=_Part_3645_156895.1212078641391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 17:13:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52E0D3BEDA; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eaz9Z5074hgA:10 a=1LQso160nT0A:10 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=3PSaIbm_fI89bDAeG2EA:9 a=UGHK8wIPiHBONpZ7vXAA:7 a=deMEwMKahwifRUzb57Ch7YSWwNUA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=kLQ54MB0OY8A:10 a=bc-At0-sGGwA:10 Message-ID: <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:12:56 +0200 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:13:00 +0000 (UTC) this is because you only subscribed to the "free" Loopersdelight. On the "paying" Pro LD you get better Emails with less newbies stutters 2 time more KH posts and longer looptime and a lot of things I'm not allowed to mention here. join us on the premium LD Claude Patrick Suler a crit : > I saw several months back on Auroreliseseses (or whatever the heck they're > called) website, that Gibson has discontinued production of the EDP. That > company, auraorororelsisisis is the group that developed the Loop (I, II, > III, IV) software for the Echoplex. Oddly, they also state that Kim Flint > had resigned in order to work on Loopers Delight full time. Though, I have > seen no changes...much less improvement...in the site. > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: >>> Does anyone know what the fate of the EDP is? It has been blown out on >>> sales at several online retailers lately and is no longer listed as a >>> stocked product. One retailer labeled it 'discontinued.' Is it no >> longer >>> being manufactured? Are they coming out with an upgrade product? >> >> No official announcement on "the fate of the EDP" as far as I can >> recall. The EDP is built out of electronic components that are not >> fully available today, so chances for a re-release seem pretty small. >> >> However, you might remember that Matthias Grob said on this list that >> he is working on a software version of his brainchild, the EDP looper. >> I take that as a good sign, since this will be the first original >> virtual EDP that uses the original EDP code. The existing looper >> software, that copies and tries to emulate the EDP functionality, all >> had to come up with new code for this. Although this means not totally >> capturing the EDP feel, it has in some cases taken off into new >> exciting directions - for example the scripting option of Mobius'. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 17:16:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 695F93BEE4; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=g04gImh7PXUNhCeH66NGdluktX/o06INGHsWTyaMWIk=; b=V9SKANLFhngfrTbY3ZGH4l6dV///2WsxoolhIL7LPoodkFi7eikJ1vYtO0MJbzCkkapHOPlgIsotalfuIGQtCfbpag/7Xq3CJrEtVLGC/6UJOdKMCvgWXFCbD8BlU+wFed92uH68f6OlDQejoBWO8KstDCN+TvY41qFJHAqrSS0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=WDXnSY62phAO0G/0UgALpcA6MjTjoveJxfMlxrOJdYByQDqPpK2CjvY876yIcna4BNy/NJv4QV2UZbdHjZutP3W0e9kTUEFMLy5T35RN9C8cRvz9rE+qH8J+JYejc38bCt9JXhTOf6p6dHy+XQciOghRz+WTWIAS8XoTzwj9lNw= Message-ID: <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:16:18 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> In-Reply-To: <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dainel Dingeldein Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or do you have to get one separate? Thanks, Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 17:18:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2CDD3BEEC; Thu, 29 May 2008 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8MeiEDwrejwoGmkY50jMDO2eCP3ACqfr+nKi2ZboJaE=; b=gadTXpIZLNZQ/PMONV9DU6rqbQYQChOa2f1sTHvD51/n6TTb80UjyzL1EVPrKZkbYvwp7Ws0hnED7/+KbcXJDUB7+dZnR4PhFid+bbxEQWqIE9jZj3Pnqha4o5m/450KdV3hzZd3p5jK4d4QNqUyX7GLAsPb4iNZ818b9tkWeXE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZvzHRzd5WDBNiSsEJCSxIUlbrGTpSmMV9rvj3MC6F4II+Vg9Hjp3PiXdJejF1voR+dvevl1hPHpFFhBDye7136yEQVPNJWwmFYV0ZUw/Ykt9DDDOzXQGsGv6OjERI4rndF60ENuiNIaButYGex3IHjvN4WSB5D5hJTlgbmBeKtM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:18:25 -0400 From: "radio radio" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex In-Reply-To: <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14665_7040943.1212081505818" References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14665_7040943.1212081505818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Usually it does NOT come with a foot controller, so unless it says it's a package special (there used to be one on musiciansfriend), then you have to buy separately. On 5/29/08, Dainel Dingeldein wrote: > > Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or do > you have to get one separate? > > Thanks, > Daniel > > ------=_Part_14665_7040943.1212081505818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Usually it does NOT come with a foot controller, so unless it says it's a package special (there used to be one on musiciansfriend), then you have to buy separately.

    On 5/29/08, Dainel Dingeldein <dingeldeinmusicgroup@gmail.com> wrote:
    Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or do you have to get one separate?

    Thanks,
    Daniel


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    See our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have questions about eBay's communication From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 21:24:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBC53BEDA; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:24:02 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Quick Looperlative question MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 87.66.94.94 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:24:05 +0000 (UTC) > I dl'ed the manual but as you said, it's a bit out of date. > There's got to be a list somewhere of the complete feature set with > all the current updates taken into account. I went through the LP1 manual and release notes up to version 1.34. A sum= mary of the LP1 feature set can be found on my website http://home.scarlet.be/gare-d-anvers/sjaak/ Sjaak=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 22:32:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFF83BEEC; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=T4BStcuzyHQaPFrQaxL7HptjqeiuFEVzsbpffyzHK5c=; b=TsWaBrAJJtF/nOv6vLajlHYER4Wcc3nBl+zXC4w6NKcHB2MUsbHaHcoUhXw58Uipk9BibjA9IPPveIsmG6VUae5Q0R4ITNZpaZp+vpOgYvzrjqEostmfBXshEoHp5jsRW6qAEwyjV7kZYqKQKaXXnBRR2HnQRVy2lwmjiEMDb0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SO9QiACcjOdk2t5IHiJfsOjDW/NZ3a6MjFF30ln4sMwKFaBaZoiUE9LlCWXUk99gM7GtnnLudI/g3TfnekABbi/3BN1OQShmQ9idJn1AhW+yntxfNymoSHEoi5kmcu2/l8QAimP1sXrdp6fnQc7EJvLL/CF2VlXnH7va8NXE4vA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:31:58 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Looping venue help redux In-Reply-To: <483ED9FC.4010805@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> <483ED9FC.4010805@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:32:01 +0000 (UTC) What? You don't like Boston? *GRIN What dates are still open for you? Dennis On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their responses to my earlier post about venues, I've > hit my goal of 30 dates for my summer tour. However, I'm looking to book one > more loop-friendly date for Chinapainting, within 3-4 hours of NYC; we have > Brooklyn and Manhattan shows but are trying to get out of town a bit. > Thinking New Jersey, CT, Baltimore, mid-state NY...any suggestions? Other > than the Space in CT, Sound Lab in Buffalo (thanks to a suggestion from > member Radio Radio) and Van Gogh's Ear in NJ, I haven't been able to dig > very much up. (I had tons of Philadelphia leads, thanks to Tony K among > others, but nothing worked out there unfortunately..) > > thanks thanks for any help...offline please. > > indebted, > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 22:39:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C61F3BEF4; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <483F307F.7090002@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:38:55 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Looping venue help redux References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> <483ED9FC.4010805@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Heh...you know, it only took five minutes after posting this to hop on good ol' Google maps and determine that Boston isn't that far from NYC. I've been an ex-pat too long apparently...! I even went to school there...jeez. A Boston show would be fab, actually. We're trying to book something for Saturday, Aug 2, though Friday the 1st might work too. This afternoon I contacted 119 Gallery, Non-Event, Outpost, and Lily Pad. Any other thoughts? We'd ABSOLUTELY be up for hooking up with other loopers too. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > What? You don't like Boston? > > *GRIN > > What dates are still open for you? > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 23:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40AE03BEF5; Thu, 29 May 2008 23:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: webmail-0.hosting.atlantic.net: apache set sender to music@carlsonarts.com using -f X-IMP-User: music@carlsonarts.com Message-ID: <20080529192738.uhnh9f9ioso4g4ks@webmail.carlsonarts.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:27:38 -0400 From: music@carlsonarts.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: wurelld domnimation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 23:27:40 +0000 (UTC) sry, Sanne, i didn't get your last reply to my post for some reason. i think maybe the nsa grabbed it off the internet! My digest email cuts out just before. Anyways, thanks, Sanne, for sharing your set up. Seriously, I'm going to try to do something similar vocally and it saves me a lot of guess-work. I'm sure I'll still have a lot of trial and error to get it working right. Having four pedals, one for each loop, sounds like its definitely the way to go. So, do you just copy the drum track to each loop then? I've got Ableton up and running, and am going to do some experimenting with it, then maybe download Mobius. Loving this, Michael C. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 29 23:29:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 157073BEF8; Thu, 29 May 2008 23:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2iRnpWStCpYozra4gIZQvw==:17 a=EDOEPlxTDQ54ZJ5_xwMA:9 a=51VqX0SzwBWu_BjfJ6U4N8lVIqIA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 23:29:40 +0000 Message-Id: <052920082329.26033.483F3C64000B8A3A000065B12215561264CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 23:29:54 +0000 (UTC) The closeouts on Musician's Friend, etc. include the pedal and say so -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dainel Dingeldein > Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or > do you have to get one separate? > > Thanks, > Daniel > From support@eppicard.com Fri May 30 01:23:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 331 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:23:00 UTC Received: from fortwayneballet.org (mail.fortwayneballet.org [70.88.86.250]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAF33BE82 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 01:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([81.44.251.109]) by fortwayneballet.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: From: "EPPICard" Subject: EPPICard Notice! 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 02:34:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B5E3BE89; Fri, 30 May 2008 02:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=t3pO6jNo0PBnddzHHRt/c/78I3aKv374DuKxl2PbhXU=; b=F0fTrc4MMCVN+LBBRa7vQ3iKpjtWaCH1I588N5CFa7OKeFUpuw/FxmnaMwE2eH0kasOKxNH+FiBvcMl0zkaEcQazlICI6iWFFz6w8PoOmBE00SLYojhmYbp6EhxiqTmHIAiPSWCIvs38eGgH3Mis83S0MltdqkNAJe40iWzx4xs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jopqZ5gCCteAtJxPTR5GG9VK6h01zgaT0TGpqadz9NEgjLpt1rWVvYO+lNkcllX49vniYdEq6o+rqd/x/3Mg9oKk96i3MNq2s3DIhg12EcAUxZwYYEiUan9vIdl2EBrayJlmKiM4HafS5Pj6waOn5QvoZCI34P+SZiXIl2TSgEI= Message-ID: <101191640805291934p23798db7y30a2734a3c084310@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:34:41 -0400 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max retreat In-Reply-To: <483E5918.3000507@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18232_28391589.1212114881238" References: <483E5918.3000507@addcom.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b9439d063d43936c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 02:34:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18232_28391589.1212114881238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline it sounds totally awesome, but i couldn't even swing the expense of the travel right now, not to mention two weeks on this kind of notice. Xenakis and Corbu together? it boggles the mind. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Hi everybody, > > As my studio is moving to La Tourette in France which is the famous > monastery designed by Le Corbussier and Xenakis, I'd like to know how much > interest would be for participation to set up a Max retreat there... > > I'd plan it for around the last two weeks of july, but have to propose it > to the organisers there and nothing is fixed, could be also in a completely > different time slot/duration... > > These two weeks would give space for working on a personal project, in a > beautiful landscape, an inspiring place and with colleagues which could help > to break the creative knots. > I will be giving an introduction into Max for beginners and will show my > tricks to advanced Max users alike. The only requirement would be that the > manual had been read, and the tutorials had been gone through once. > (elsewise it would be a little waist of time...;-) > > It would be open to users of Pd, SC, Csound and similar tools as well, but > my personal experience with these tools is not as profound as with Max... > (There must be an area where I keep my spirit of being a newbie alive...) > > At the end we would be able to present our results to the public... > > If you are interested in such a retreat (at any time), please answer me off > list... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > ------=_Part_18232_28391589.1212114881238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline it sounds totally awesome, but i couldn't even swing the expense of the travel right now, not to mention two weeks on this kind of notice.

    Xenakis and Corbu together? it boggles the mind.

    On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Stefan Tiedje <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de> wrote:
    Hi everybody,

    As my studio is moving to La Tourette in France which is the famous monastery designed by Le Corbussier and Xenakis, I'd like to know how much interest would be for participation to set up a Max retreat there...

    I'd plan it for around the last two weeks of july, but have to propose it to the organisers there and nothing is fixed, could be also in a completely different time slot/duration...

    These two weeks would give space for working on a personal project, in a beautiful landscape, an inspiring place and with colleagues which could help to break the creative knots.
    I will be giving an introduction into Max for beginners and will show my tricks to advanced Max users alike. The only requirement would be that the manual had been read, and the tutorials had been gone through once. (elsewise it would be a little waist of time...;-)

    It would be open to users of Pd, SC, Csound and similar tools as well, but my personal experience with these tools is not as profound as with Max...
    (There must be an area where I keep my spirit of being a newbie alive...)

    At the end we would be able to present our results to the public...

    If you are interested in such a retreat (at any time), please answer me off list...

    Stefan

    --
    Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
    --_____-----------|--------------
    --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
    -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
    ----------()--------www.ccmix.com


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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 05:06:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5C83BE88; Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:49 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FfFwSmoFh+RlDB7c6LOa6iqviikq4yLv5ZaPb0HCR2PeX2znoI+Ts4/GcOHrIo+dGWaqjMUXexv6+Iflg1ojET2JeiuqCQRBE3GuvDVxE5AFuqE20OEHhR3NTxMkAGHbVV14BLX32hWGpdnkSVFlXdvSgX8FrAwyfMdYLVxz0fw=; X-YMail-OSG: yKVzOJMVM1nIdyU3AyWew_U5nhl.JqQvB99Ip8ZuEMDkEel.XmaQvwsOBntRG1zdXb5_UsvXXCEIZjuZLHHTDyb3aayXLFhpdwmS Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: fate of the EDP (was: Slightly OT--Splice 'em up FX Pedal (other than Echoplex)? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <95974.88074.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Plus, Kim will come over & wash your hair. :) --- Claude Voit wrote: > this is because you only subscribed to the "free" > Loopersdelight. > On the "paying" Pro LD you get better Emails with > less newbies stutters > 2 time more KH posts and longer looptime and a > lot of things I'm not > allowed to mention here. > > join us on the premium LD > > Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 08:01:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5033BE97; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Q8XTfKf/oAzU2igTacmkJmecdyQP5uwsqD7Chv9AaJBahcTfaWyBZkO0B1WFVmacw14K6KH3nVGJ1dsMTKsTwxg8IB2s57ItEZM6rhEhgsh8vlB0TTsk4pIY2ayekLpjlSDLABjaZgBhWKHDzQsDXZWk45tTgopRnI//kNGQ5xU=; X-YMail-OSG: IChw9lIVM1mhcQABT4REYKE4douPv2vM8dXZZ_xIW0L4It2BsJeOWeBHjOCAvf6elz3oo62u0nnG4RXkroHms_xdm9m7sAAlBBPYO1G1cMhhGaealyULkSHOLCA- Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Axe fx To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <585712.41114.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Ive been checking out this baby,sounds like a killer unit i wasnt aware of it and it has a looper bulit in as well.But there is a waiting list for it! anybody has one? is it hype or really better than lets say the Boss GT pro unit? It costs 3 times as much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5HEvAeQgQ&feature=related It sounds like this dude works for the company, and unfortunately is a bit hard to appreciate the quality of its FXs on youtube to make a fair comparison,so if you have one make a review! thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 08:19:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443093BEA0; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BtQihp3jxk8l7BHQB5qr4K3fxopzJ8Wi02aLHPPCq+3h133AZaSXT5XiKrB2/uNLJWoeTUsl7E4k8BeXRQsqU9a+2xXo5n83XVz8wPZHJJEDnITLJYU3yw5IxcgQLQhj4P5KHq1OliJG3zoxpMJcKFvWOvHRVSWnBkLj4zFhiS0=; X-YMail-OSG: kps.NnwVM1lZSVoo.HhY0ZpnbXE9.I4JJSP3TyvRSwNGG3QJsjqAQ9OtVlfcozyyCNPriUMFazsckU4kUSdMVF_JpTND6E4O6L0LvmSuKfsAkk21Je50fsAE0hc- Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:19:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <195285.30565.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:19:15 +0000 (UTC) also a simple feature i am interested in that the EDP cannot do(or at least i havent discovered yet) lets say you record 4 quantisized loops then you mute loop 1 and trigger loop 3 so it plays right away without having to wait for loop 1 end,)and switch back and forth between the other loops but still preserving their quantisized syncronisation of all loops, like a sampler,is this possible in mobius? Luis --- buzap@gmx.net wrote: > Hi folks > > I'm taking a serious look at Mobius now and would > like to know if it can do something like the > "scenes" in Ableton. > > What I would like to do is: > TRACK1: Percussive Loop (synced, runs permanently) > TRACK2: My main loop (synced, shift through loops > via NextLoop) > TRACK3: Additional voicings etc (synced, tracks 2+3 > grouped) > > So the things that I'd like to do: > > 1. Start with a very basic percussion loop on Track1 > that constantly keeps running. > => Can be implemented easily I guess using a > dedicated Mobius Track that is synced but otherwise > just keeps running. > > 2. When playing a loop in Track2, I'd like to be > able to "multiply" into the next loop. > => I guess that's NextLoop with LoopCopy=Sound (and > maybe AutoRecord). > > 3. I want to create a fresh next loop in Track2. > => I guess that's also easy with NextLoop somehow. > > 4. Say I already have loops 1/2/3 on my Track. Now, > while playing loop2, I'd like to create a next loop > that will multiply my current loop2 and will be > positioned 1/2/newloop/3 (or possibly > 1/2/3/newloop). > =>I don't see where I can differentiate if NextLoop > means "play the next loop" or "record an additional > loop". > > > 5. When playing a multiplied loop, I would like to > add additional voicings or riffs. > => Should work with an additional Track3 that is in > the same Track Group as the original Track2. I could > use Mute on Track3 to turn the additional voicings > on/off. > > > Now, here comes the trickier part: > 6. Say I'm running my loop on Track 2 and have > additional voicings simultaneously on Track3. I > would like to link them together sort of like > Ableton scenes: > - Track1: record first loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play first loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play first loop Track2: record first > voicings > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first > voicings > - Track1: record second loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play second loop Track2: nothing > - Track1: play second loop Track2: record second > voicings > - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second > voicings > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first > voicings (~PreviousLoop) > - Track1: play second loop Track2: play second > voicings (~NextLoop) > - Track1: play first loop Track2: play first > voicings (~PreviousLoop) > ... > => So Previous Loop would either work through some > sophisticated Track Group parameters. Alternatively, > maybe a script could simply trigger "PrevLoop > Track1" + "PrevLoop Track2" at the same time. > How would you do it when recording, so that there > are always 2 loops in 2 tracks "linked" to each > other? > > > I don't need an exact answer for the questions but > just a basic notion that these things will work with > Mobius. If it can really do what I'd like to do, > I'll look further deeper into Mobius. > Thanks > Buzap > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehrt? > Der kann`s mit allen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 08:21:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E02E3BEBE; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 20330161/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.228.113 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.228.113 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoBAERWP0hPTuRx/2dsb2JhbAAIqFWGP4J1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,565,1204502400"; d="scan'208";a="20330161" Message-ID: <483FB907.30905@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:21:27 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Axe fx References: <585712.41114.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <585712.41114.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:21:17 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis, No experience of the unit, but I checked it out out he website. It does look good ;-) ..but the unit with the Looper and the interesting fx is the "Ultra" which adds even more to the price. It's a digital modeller, so usually quality of modelling tends increase at the expense of latency. It's a very powerful processor, so they *could* be using a very high samplerate (like 8 or 16 times usual) which would make it much easier to make convincing distortions/overdrives in the digital realm. (that might be their little secret) What put me off (well, apart from the price of course :-) was that the fx don't midi-sync, ....well ok...mostly it's the price ;-) andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > Ive been checking out this baby,sounds like a killer > unit i wasnt aware of it and it has a looper bulit in > as well.But there is a waiting list for it! > anybody has one? is it hype or really better than lets > say the Boss GT pro unit? It costs 3 times as much > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5HEvAeQgQ&feature=related > > It sounds like this dude works for the company, and > unfortunately is a bit hard to appreciate the quality > of its FXs on youtube to make a fair comparison,so if > you have one make a review! > thanx > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 08:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC653BEC7; Fri, 30 May 2008 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gGSFGgolDDS5AV5NMRGCB+Zvbfv43i1prRJqskZt+tGxUqXcFCBEWjKQDBYXhEyNLFME5yjBGwDoLc2Td2qLEfAwp3IhxQkJ08695z6CNFBk7rX4zpuZ8GqW6BTatsS5cqg54Wh0Y38ejtN+dcmEIZHml36uHzh2TspbzaQfYmI=; X-YMail-OSG: OkmoF68VM1lhm3zpCkCc1jKpglw8ecdJm9Z_AJE31ZX7J04rSsUyQsewYhTeSI3Q616pGGEJNl1MipnFGXY3DzsxQTScj7P5kRQ8qPUiZ48BTnqb_jOp5yEwynM- Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Axe fx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <483FB907.30905@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <483959.2937.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:33:05 +0000 (UTC) That is a pity isnt it, syncing the FX to the loops would be the thing! but absoltuely right the price hurts although still cheaper than an eventide... Luis > What put me off (well, apart from the price of > course :-) > was that the fx don't midi-sync, > ....well ok...mostly it's the price ;-) > > andy butler > > > > > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Ive been checking out this baby,sounds like a > killer > > unit i wasnt aware of it and it has a looper bulit > in > > as well.But there is a waiting list for it! > > anybody has one? is it hype or really better than > lets > > say the Boss GT pro unit? It costs 3 times as much > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX5HEvAeQgQ&feature=related > > > > It sounds like this dude works for the company, > and > > unfortunately is a bit hard to appreciate the > quality > > of its FXs on youtube to make a fair comparison,so > if > > you have one make a review! > > thanx > > Luis > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 09:36:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48843BE97; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AL3wHWsIGNIef+lr63C+LAdDOzqD4i/TlGUIT+l66PU=; b=fp9UdZVaGtg6xCvRaKtnqLRl/i4KMfS3sRzRTF+xdm/jM3lGTgtWFB3UDBDOtPpJARV8Uk3Ik5lzB8i3+eLJmi5DCFedb7Q9x8ouHI6M6sa96nig7rewKyfR/YwlnWM+of9WN38IO5Y1OuRuSI9t6/WV8YRc4aQKcy6fqZ05dzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N0p3XJHpwGhTQ3aBtxiMKHPRM6IH6WzjtmyDJxV/2eIJESGDuEgKrtf6MEVS4INhWfQ7KbVkcMXXQ8c9cL4xwwBKQpVwkRZyjLFf+mL83OiQDg3CWlWAlUG8KSC+3BN3CZOe5MK9/D5//hRYwyX+PTziSHNTcvU8OrNCAh3TwS4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 05:36:15 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Looping venue help redux In-Reply-To: <483F307F.7090002@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080528155551.269880@gmx.net> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144283FA6D07@barq.sailpoint.com> <20080528213250.33520@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0805281443u5bebbc95k33550d60c611ce63@mail.gmail.com> <20080529141016.269140@gmx.net> <64b81a780805290746v4d171d2er3f72142777f69945@mail.gmail.com> <483ED9FC.4010805@mhorse.com> <483F307F.7090002@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, August 2, eh? I'm playing in New York, at Think Coffee, the night of the 1st, coming back to Bridgewater/Boston on the 2nd. You've identified The Usual Suspects, with those places. The thing about Outpost is that they have several different programs during the month and different people handle the booking, so be sure to get your message to the right person. You might also contact Lou Cohen at Open Sound (http://www.opensound.org/) ... they usually hold their performances at Third Life Studios @ http://www.thirdlifestudio.com/ (which is where I'll be playing TOMORROW NIGHT at 8:00 ); I know he is putting together his list for who will play over the summer, so this might be good timing for you. As for loopers in this area, keep hitting the LD list to remind us. Boston isn't THAT far from NYC ... :-) ~~Dennis On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Heh...you know, it only took five minutes after posting this to hop on good > ol' Google maps and determine that Boston isn't that far from NYC. I've been > an ex-pat too long apparently...! I even went to school there...jeez. A > Boston show would be fab, actually. > > We're trying to book something for Saturday, Aug 2, though Friday the 1st > might work too. This afternoon I contacted 119 Gallery, Non-Event, Outpost, > and Lily Pad. Any other thoughts? We'd ABSOLUTELY be up for hooking up with > other loopers too. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> What? You don't like Boston? >> >> *GRIN >> >> What dates are still open for you? >> >> Dennis > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 09:46:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1F573BEC0; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fa6fc654-18e9-4e20-9d4a-ac785f01e59f_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.66.122] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Gibson Echoplex Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:20 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2008 09:46:20.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[03B64DF0:01C8C23A] Resent-Message-ID: <3RRAo.A.bAD.tz8PIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:21 +0000 (UTC) --_fa6fc654-18e9-4e20-9d4a-ac785f01e59f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have two foot controllers i would probably part with if you are in the uk= ? =20 phill> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:16:18 -0500> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com> Subject: Gibson Echoplex> From: dingeldeinmusicgroup@gmail.com>= > Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or = > do you have to get one separate?> > Thanks,> Daniel>=20 _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/= --_fa6fc654-18e9-4e20-9d4a-ac785f01e59f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have two foot controllers i would probably part with if you are in t= he uk?
     
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    > Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:16:18 -0500
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    Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger o= n your Mobile! = --_fa6fc654-18e9-4e20-9d4a-ac785f01e59f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 09:46:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C943BEDB; Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a9f19bdc-373c-4a00-9799-13fa57d0629b_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.66.122] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Gibson Echoplex Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0805280109m63f55c67p9c13826384f78048@mail.gmail.com> <8c82d1660805290930k67b9a573n9dc5ec6bd55bbacc@mail.gmail.com> <483EE418.6060902@vtx.ch> <483EE4E2.90905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2008 09:46:21.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[040928E0:01C8C23A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:46:22 +0000 (UTC) --_a9f19bdc-373c-4a00-9799-13fa57d0629b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have two foot controllers i would probably part with if you are in the uk= ? =20 phill> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:16:18 -0500> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com> Subject: Gibson Echoplex> From: dingeldeinmusicgroup@gmail.com>= > Does anyone know if the gibson Echoplex comes with a foot controller or = > do you have to get one separate?> > Thanks,> Daniel>=20 _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/= --_a9f19bdc-373c-4a00-9799-13fa57d0629b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i have two foot controllers i would probably part with if you are in t= he uk?
     
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    > Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:16:18 -0500
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    > Does anyone know if the gibson= Echoplex comes with a foot controller or
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    >
    > Thanks,
    > Daniel
    >


    Get Started! = --_a9f19bdc-373c-4a00-9799-13fa57d0629b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 11:26:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77F23BE94; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:26:56 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <195285.30565.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080530112656.14260@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <195285.30565.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19+FjpdX7Z+OjZ2+fHxfWYsTrTYCK9O7qJt/XO6MP p/q+T+EAyo6KOUYKJ826fSPNLS0I6v9zSHHw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: ttENcKU2Pjl+BpwvzTQ2sWE7MTE2NYn1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:26:58 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure the answer is scripting ;-) >is this possible in mobius? > Luis -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 11:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708113BEC1; Fri, 30 May 2008 11:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ikd53gLCAkzdkGGm3ej/ejueIYvr1u5VsnMS6Mq8oa4=; b=RuKnSRQ+DTQ7Xz2b3enA9idAUtd7PY0fWdA4P2RKeag2F2QbWijYfD4xGHynNVegia5n1DevkCKqFkXV4532INwy0hFfCo/wFrWcktiCb/z4gFI0qGUqUULIdmRliOfIQ5BUmVoHfs1Di7UAif6ckuinmc+jasM7hailDwy0vOY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uD1xU653ZIClOP04vfWdLorw9nFFb9Jm9btQev+pWIARfcCHOI3BAxw9v1s9liieMJCDblqydoAj3m9mKR+6hXQ6DVyK6Oyy5Vj8kJY3x9+i25xnXgMQiyNXLPmGJVJCT1FKlK5HpIRdPGYBN/ewl+rEmKngack5hDAOJZ1NkGI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805300443s1e788268m1802889f924de384@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:07 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Can Mobius do these tricks ("scenes")? In-Reply-To: <20080530112656.14260@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <195285.30565.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080530112656.14260@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:43:08 +0000 (UTC) >>is this possible in mobius? >> Luis "Focus Lock" or assigning tracks to "Groups" in Mobius gives a control of stepping between parallel loops that is similar to using "Scenes" in Live. If using direct commands to go to a certain loop ("go to loop 5", "go to loop 3" etc etc) it's almost exactly the same functionality as Live's scenes. The answer is not "Scripting", as Buzrap suggested, even though all these commands can be scripted by those who prefer to assign a load of actions to only one pedal press. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboyse From yusufhaqa1@yahoo.co.jp Fri May 30 12:38:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 571 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 30 May 2008 12:38:41 UTC Received: from web4011.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp (web4011.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp [124.83.200.58]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 65B373BE97 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 12:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63622 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2008 12:28:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=yj20050223; d=yahoo.co.jp; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketDSI:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QR+rHLXf9y5JPHberKvT9vn9drZl7PDAyRhbKr/gcF3yaV0MAR4Ju2q2YHPrgCMepKg1MfMxnyipIKOqJquQ11HV7wG20POTsyM9MEUZ5UJBml3nRr2bBWUEMGOmswOR ; Message-ID: <20080530122850.63620.qmail@web4011.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp> Received: from [80.87.84.167] by web4011.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp via HTTP; Fri, 30 May 2008 21:28:50 JST X-RocketDSI: i=124.83.200.58;s=w Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:28:50 +0900 (JST) From: "Mr. Yusuf Haq" Reply-To: haq.yusuf@yahoo.com Subject: RELAESE AND TRANSFER OF YOUR FUND To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-238374257-1212150530=:62737" --0-238374257-1212150530=:62737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp $B?7$7$$%a!<%k%"%I%l%9$r$*CN$i$;$7$^$9?7$7$$%a!<%k%"%I%l%9!'(B yusufhaqa1@yahoo.co.jp I wish to inform you on the development regarding your fund release and transfer, There has been directives from higher authority that the fund will be release through a corresponding Bank here in Ghana. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 14:37:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 470BE3BE93; Fri, 30 May 2008 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:36:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #582 for May 29, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <48401104.2090601@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:37:41 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080529.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #582 May 29, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Stephen Philips. The Featured CD at Midnight was The Sobbing Stone on Dark Duck Records. Stephen Philips: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#may PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Rainbow Serpent Le vent dans la Live @ Liphook 2007 (Manikin) plaine E=motion Blue Road E-ternity (none) Create Follow the Shorlien Lost On an Island of Adventure (Groove) Syndromeda Cosmic Wind Best of Tapes & Unreleased (none) Spyra Operation PPG Gasoline 91 Octane (Manikin) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Stephen Philips Opening Titles The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips The Scientists The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips And Then There Was The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) the Blood Stephen Philips Analyzing the Stone The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips What Is He Hearing The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Questions The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips The Professor The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Disagreements The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips On the Street The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Lack of Sleep The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips The Sobbing Stone The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Running The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Alan's Theme The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Ann's Theme The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Pebbles The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips The Road The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Michael's Theme The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Because You're Like The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) My Mother Stephen Philips Ann's Epiphany The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Crucify Him The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) Stephen Philips Toward the Cross The Sobbing Stone (Dark Duck) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Radio Massacre International. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from the six disk boxed set Lost In Space on Northern Echo Recordings. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 30 16:04:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A853BE92; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3623 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 30 May 2008 16:04:37 UTC Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:06:47 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Axe fx In-reply-to: <585712.41114.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <902685BB-0BE5-4C0F-B08B-94DFDE8E072A@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <585712.41114.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_xXGGB.A.8DG.VWCQIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:04:37 +0000 (UTC) On May 30, 2008, at 3:01 AM, L.A. 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Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:48 -0700 References: <20080528082320.2A26F3BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <41E1A484-731D-4D56-84F0-447093AA59C0@earthlink.net> <48406078.8040108@addcom.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-ELNK-Trace: 6b863c64b7cad57866423f13a3a05d4c239a348a220c260981689f3c147870bf7a7eb3afa8a0ec6f548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.94.193.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stefan, if you're running a Mac, you can press command (the =20 Apple key) and F5 (you may need to include the FN key as well) and =20 voiceOver (the Apple screen reader; built into Tiger / Leopard) will =20 activate. What it does is to allow a visually impaired user to =20 navigate / use their computer via the keyboard, as well as describing =20= the screen layout / content to the user with a synthesized voice. So in the case of using looping or recording software or audio =20 plugins or such, ideally, you want to be able to tell which loop or =20 track you're in, you also need to be able to find appropriate buttons =20= or controls on the screen all without sight, as well as be able to =20 edit or influence all of that on the fly. For the most part, =20 VoiceOver allows one to do this on most software, however, as I =20 mentioned, most audio software developers tend to use more customized =20= buttons or controls that VO can't always see or interact with. So it =20= can render such software either extremely difficult to use, or =20 altogether impossible in some cases. So can you tell me a bit more about what you're suggesting? I'd =20 love to learn more about it, if you wouldn't mind. :) If it can use a standard Apple Cocoa interface for the GUI, then it =20= should be good to go! :) thanks so much for your thoughtful reply! Have a terrific weekend!=85 Smiles, Cara :) On May 30, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Stefan wrote: > Cara Quinn schrieb: >> Being visually impaired, believe it or not, most audio recording / =20= >> effects processing software on the Mac is currently notoriously bad =20= >> at being accessible with the Mac screen reading software. So, for =20= >> me, unfortunately, hardware is still the best option. > > That means a customized Max/MSP version which gives you exactly the =20= > feedback you actually need would be an option. > > I don't know what your VoiceOver software does, but if you need =20 > audible feedback into an extra pair of headphones, that wouldn't be =20= > a problem to achieve... > > Stefan > > --=20 > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 31 04:53:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2A63BE97; Sat, 31 May 2008 04:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boise Experimental Music Festival Streaming Now Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:15:54 -0700 Message-Id: <1327.1212210954@cableone.net> X-Mailer: AtMail 4.51 - 67.42.73.221 - khartung@cableone.net X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.800000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0, High tags-to-text ratio=1.8 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.radioboise.org) (http://www.radioboise..org) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=36348, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.0.225 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.0.225 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 04:53:32 +0000 (UTC)

    Sorry for getting this out 3 hour late. The Boise Exerimental Music Fest= ival is streaming now at this URL:

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    We will continue to stream for the remaining two days as well.

    See the schedules here for when to tune in. All times are US Mountain St= andard Time (MST).

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    Jim is playing now.

    11= :20 - Midnight (40 min)

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    Jim McAuley

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    Em= ily Hay & Motoko Honda

    Th= e Choir Boys (Jeff Kaiser & Andrew Pask)

    Kris


     

     

     


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