From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 05:39:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86DE3C048; Thu, 1 May 2008 05:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 05:39:34 +0000 (UTC) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first electronic score for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, echoes and weeeoooos that accentuated invisible monsters and robotic creatures in the 1956 science-fiction classic "Forbidden Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She was 82." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 06:01:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61CED3C050; Thu, 1 May 2008 06:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z39YB3Gv8DLmtzJx00V8+nHQorcbz4u3OQq0SfoI8kHM5ooroZ0wfOsiIDqkJsrvTBTxADn++rY/Umtntf8YMPc9jnIZQ/7FNmTMtiDUdwbLeKJb824eWzHc9asz9l2QMazNVu+uS6it7ElIFfuL2Jwv0H7vL14rBBLtMBmnO1s=; X-YMail-OSG: H7c6PlcVM1kINgjx.Ir03A0uMCUi53rAWVcvittc_qOGyBGbh.SICLYB89LzoIX06eeEP.Ox5HqyHEUqhP7h8HGf9dslgxbHys4AQxSxZcaaslQWaqh_tDKmoPA- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:01:55 +0000 (UTC) whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? > And, it's on youtube of course. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 06:51:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FFF63BFDB; Thu, 1 May 2008 06:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EHkVsKRFSmDGdbHH7e1tH75aw3T/TKGc8k7zfEW25CGg33SrqSqEvXXL5+7BvaOnioxk+74p3ZOW09HDeGck61dZOokmY2+0gJ4qLqQlD1h5UpKzwAisGSnXkNuiyW92z9ouST3sS4BRC7uOYMM/rK8dFeT3GWUY9r3o138jEP8=; X-YMail-OSG: 1l5bsF8VM1lqrRnlqW9BkqmB_yc0hFBmlf3kH8tcW_OAIUcat64T2gE4nj56mlbbCZvd3so0w3n9M9cubllQyo0dAm1SMO0YLqDm4zF5ux.Ah_S6N4ZLGbuGMo8- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: David Bowie guitarrist using looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720831FFCB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <749901.12487.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ydOJB.A.DzC.ThWGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Carlos Alomar who played in most of my favorite Bowie albums used the beige Oberheim EDP as i recall in one of the guitar player magazines picture.Dont know if he still does,he had an amazing "Kuehlschrank"! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 07:24:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E80A3BF0E; Thu, 1 May 2008 07:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G8Rk3zDDmgor28tniWttyXGbbv7WxPLpXHYE38VGGx8PL+HU0cz3iVbmvhOpCzzyA6jy1cV1nV3KgXVy8Y2gS+ZXCVwugdo4oZf1o+g1Apd7QrtgheQPeytung4O7UIZuhvJExl8sUgoiwcwEHklNcSFygIZjWj59Yb2kfrmq3s=; X-YMail-OSG: 58T7ybQVM1n9nCV_s0.TfHPVRXy69IlXGRPtq2H8M.AyGfaqcFfnO08B37ZU6yJBhWwb2Y1lMkeLy5MDZAwk4c8SAVIY_cGjnUxYw3h3zcgs0QzgBS9yXdu2UfQ- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 00:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006501c8a628$d772d970$6a01a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 07:24:29 +0000 (UTC) talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 08:06:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFD173BF4F; Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <010b01c8a766$ed596260$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <010b01c8a766$ed596260$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) (Adrian B.) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 04:06:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:06:38 +0000 (UTC) He definitely uses live looping. He used a DL4 on the last tour he did. he used to use an EH 16 second delay. he has and likes the Eventide Time Factor but doesn't use it for looping. I know because I helped him setup his pedal board. I'm gonna see him this weekend... I'll ask him more about it. Teddy On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Has anyone actually seen Adrian Belew use live looping on stage > during a live show? > So far noone has really attested to his live looper status. -- PS. http://myspace.com/mistershifty new live recordings -- Teddy K and Mister Shifty future shows May 7th at Lucille's Bar and Grill (B.B. King's NYC) featuring Chuck MacKinnon, 8pm - 1am May 8th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8381D3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.81.118] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 10:03:45.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4C36770:01C8AB72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:47 +0000 (UTC) --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ? tap backing ahoy! Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/= --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
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Hi,
 
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Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger!= Get Started! = --_418b99e9-d061-440c-ae66-c925c784bfa2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 10:44:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1671E3BF7E; Thu, 1 May 2008 10:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008c01c8ab78$5a6a4bc0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: Bob Brozman Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 03:44:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Dennis wrote: "Actually, all those trance-inducement practices depend on their mutual abilities to trigger the appropriate brain-wave activity ,,,,,,,, ........... while the "manifestations" appear different (internal vs. external, mental vs. physical, etc.,) those can pretty easily be attributed to the culturally different "set" of the trance-induction situation itself. Musically, or should I say physio-psycho-acoustically, the same things are happening in all of the traditions. ............................... It all comes down to brainwaves. If you can train in on those, you can trigger it. After all, remember what the dormouse said ..." Feed your head, Feed your head. thanks for your insight, Dennis. I respect your knowledge on this subject but my own experience doesn't agree entirely with your conclusions (it's okay to agree to disagree, here, I think and I want to let you know that I respect your research and personal experiences) The only thing I can say is that after having done a tradtional Peyote sweat lodge ritual with completely non-syncopated rhythms and having watched a Haitian Vodun ceremony where people were 'possessed' by the Orishas after the famous 'crack in the universe' polyrhythmic breaks were played that disrupted the trance inducing polyrhythmic drumming of the three drummers, the quality of trance was vastly different in form and energy. I do believe that it's all down to brain rhythms and certain entrainments as you say, but I think there are lots of different mental states that can be achieved by different methods which may differ radically from each other, both in their triggers and in their manifestations. These all are 'altered states'. I am not, however, an expert, and I'd love to learn more about this subject. I"m only working from what I know and the intellectual paradigm that came from the the information theory garnered from studying with Gregory Bateson and, to a lesser extent, John Grinder. It's rather difficult to strap electrodes onto trance participants (unless someone has perveresely accomplished this without my knowledge---do you know more about this, Dennis?) so it would be difficult to really solve this dialectic from a Western scientific pardagimatic approach but I would be flabbergasted if the brain is doing the same to both sets of trancees in this case. What else can you add to this, Dennis? I"m curious to know more about the depth of your knowledge. respectfully Rick PS only one thing really bothers me about your post, I have to admit, though: why on earth did you stop drumming? It seems to be one of the very quickest way to get people to entrain that I know of. Last night I played with the Akron Family (and the DoDos) at an amazing gig where we just played the simplest rhythms in the world and the capacity crowd went ape shit crazy. There was definitely trance action happening. I was aware of it in my self..........in the musicians on the stage and definitely in the crazed dancing crowd by looking in their ectstatic faces. LOL.........................now we have to segue, of course, back to the tediious drummer joke thread that I inadverntently started (with apologies to the whole list). Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 11:06:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE29F3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=puTj7sUD5H0VqLZCN1YBg31bsyZEIzUpuL5S11UVbusYcWbhrMDOMvIFtOqaalQ7wkG6HbCGp907/ChQ6uOTPCsBcpMilEdkj4qOdjwTuVEHA/5zqu+oPrT2h8TU20bje6bjrcyqMZd7lZvBof7vzeGLHqxUA6awo+hMF6ri5L8=; X-YMail-OSG: KMxMf2QVM1keixMwF0nnZTXSZl5U5vLLpIp8NB0L.TltQWaUIKeY6nKHGrx0x01Q9eSL18mnHcRQQnH5Lwi9nvNNgZ6uatRf29lqUUUnIM3SLIUTV4A4XTQo3Oo- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 04:06:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) (Adrian B.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <637300.35055.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Teddy, great that you can set up a legends pedalboard!! is he using all those x-tra switches to control the timefactor or is he doing it via MIDI? can you share his current pedalboard? ive been messing with the TF lately what a great pedal! cheers Luis --- Teddy Kumpel wrote: > He definitely uses live looping. He used a DL4 on > the last tour he did. > he used to use an EH 16 second delay. > he has and likes the Eventide Time Factor but > doesn't use it for > looping. > I know because I helped him setup his pedal board. > > I'm gonna see him this weekend... I'll ask him more > about it. > > Teddy > > On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:29 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > Has anyone actually seen Adrian Belew use live > looping on stage > > during a live show? > > So far noone has really attested to his live > looper status. > > > > > > -- > PS. > http://myspace.com/mistershifty > new live recordings > -- > Teddy K and Mister Shifty future shows > May 7th at Lucille's Bar and Grill (B.B. King's NYC) > featuring Chuck > MacKinnon, 8pm - 1am > May 8th at Nightingale Lounge, NYC 9-12 > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 12:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A2F3BF78; Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_" X-Originating-IP: [121.44.39.137] From: Brett Newton To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 12:56:52.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[D39DF480:01C8AB8A] Resent-Message-ID: <3ScBm.A.hnE.V4bGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:53 +0000 (UTC) --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha =20 im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly he= avily From: phillwilson@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?tap backing ahoy!= Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!=20 _________________________________________________________________ Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with Emai= l Australia. http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au= --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha
 
im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly he= avily


From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000
have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
tap backing a= hoy!
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000
 
Hi,
 
Im a professional tap dancer and i would really = love to give these shoes a go. Im also in a band and we are really interest= ed in incorporating tap into the rhythm section.
 
if you = could send me the instructions on how to wire them that would be so fucking= awsome
 
thanks........later 

Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavali= fe.

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Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's= first e-mail archive with = --_8de40de9-172a-4a49-b15a-714e6f9cf5c3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F2A3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GLitzt0RmD9wOc/RjpAd6cciYvm4N7K5XnfH8AvTGbQ=; b=lHmCeAv1bRee1ihGUz4P4pioYYiPyxEnqsPItFgZvefbTyyKcG60ni2YZNoLpbeW6iuEgTREDavas6qzu3PkW/h1RT7ULdJl6axiB9cWOzY+nGhz0IHkdEhbFBYklPOThEAIrBmA+HrfzBeRBP/7lEViY1vAm2zd+41E+GlLDZE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MrPrPbE0OTabAkOlY5ubaFd5IBflhYdrMbfgMbGjBscIs0ukk93+TE0qmlNWd7ptMKnrAtGxUk8ip6CgQ1UQIcfRo+K4czl8sSDspCWcz5wVeXDhIbuNgIyUDhB0pokmj0O+JajZbzYICGBIdCJV7pBk/OtqoGV+seXCNQUk94s= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:26:47 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) In-Reply-To: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a ring modulator through a pitch pedal. Or he's doing some serious whammy bar dives. Tony On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:01 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? > > > > And, it's on youtube of course. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:35:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8391E3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:35:28 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:35 +0000 (UTC) At 11:01 PM -0700 4/30/08, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > >whats that effect at the begining Belew is doing? Sounds to me like the good 'ole Electro Harmonix Frequency Analyzer, but you could probably get that same effect out of almost any decent Ring Modulator/Amplification Modulator device (cf. Moog MF-102, Studio Electronics' Modmax Ringmod, or the Copilot FX Android and Antenna). --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 13:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBA03BF83; Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.255.26] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 13:48:12.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF8D7F50:01C8AB91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thats awsome, care to share your bands name so we can get the score cards o= ut ;) =20 course if u have looping too thats an extra 20% over TATW right off the bat =20 Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000 yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha im currently involved in TAP DOGS so we wil= l be featuring the tap fairly heavily From: phillwilson@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : RE: MIDI tap shoesDate: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000 have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?tap backing ahoy!= Phill From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.comTo: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSub= ject: MIDI tap shoesDate: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000 Hi, Im a professional tap dancer and i would really love to give these sho= es a go. Im also in a band and we are really interested in incorporating ta= p into the rhythm section. if you could send me the instructions on how to= wire them that would be so fucking awsome thanks........later=20 Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavalife.=20 Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started!=20 Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail = archive with=20 _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/= --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thats awsome, care to share your bands name so we can get the score cards o= ut ;)
 
course if u have looping too thats an extra 20% over TATW right off the bat=
 
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:56:52 +1000
yeah i've herd tilly and the wall. my bands catchphrase is "we're better th= an tilly and the wall" hahahaha
 
im currently involved in TAP D= OGS so we will be featuring the tap fairly heavily


From: phillwilson@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: RE: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:03:45 +0000
have you heard the wonderful works of Tilly and the Wall ?
tap backing a= hoy!
Phill


From: im_to_up_myself@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.co= m
Subject: MIDI tap shoes
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:18 +1000
 
Hi,
 
Im a professional tap dancer and i would really = love to give these shoes a go. Im also in a band and we are really interest= ed in incorporating tap into the rhythm section.
 
if you = could send me the instructions on how to wire them that would be so fucking= awsome
 
thanks........later 

Click here Search for local singles online @ Lavali= fe.

Invite your Facebook friends to Messenger! Get Started! <= /BLOCKQUOTE>
Email Australia. Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive= with

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Get Started! = --_72c57044-09c1-4c44-8456-037eb093f502_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:15:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A310B3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:15:20 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e5d268173ee39923f3c923a617e65103cfefb050a69a1c42350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) The link is broken... can someone repost it? > > > >> > And, it's on youtube of course. >> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BAF33BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ch3LhGQpORu3JJ/lzcAEmhSHHoCrjrA4Rr0GIXLheJc=; b=iJv4c40fF6APgDUnpFJox+u6mRtZHbpXqkS6v0Q+lz/IGIqYMozIcdhcZgxV5R/XjCvvTtCYlObFLt1orGDsvFsWl6yO43yMWrSzKZqeY56WMlwZ/FJg/gHYiJ3VdgCB89Pt4F0FbWQmpo2CG3joh/SPmH5qtlSxCIijfmoZSqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VEDOvGkoQvU3pK/DRWN6PktlYEnoCqGocMwFkXouFRev4l8Mk3znUt9FtNuNGscoxZDhdgaXSspGSXUB+NUy10+JEgkB3pnavn2DZbLha90BZvguMjldTVLdCQfZQF6La4nwPxz+mYg4j7YKalZSJ9pWQ9NNM4p73ExW9O9NKZk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:19:25 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:19:27 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo somehow it got a * stuck on the end. Tony On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > The link is broken... can someone repost it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, it's on youtube of course. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:21:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2263BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 5635666/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.202.117 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.202.117 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiIBADNuGUhPSsp1/2dsb2JhbAAIpwuFT4I+ Message-ID: <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:21:45 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo Charles Zwicky wrote: > The link is broken... can someone repost it? >> >> > >>> > And, it's on youtube of course. >>> > >> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >>> >>> >>> >>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >>> >>> >>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 14:34:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C892B3BF85; Thu, 1 May 2008 14:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> References: <94052.85856.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4819D1F9.8030700@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:33:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: BOWIE guitarists (looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120e5d268173ee399234e0565233105b4799627266682930196350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link.. It's most certainly a ring modulator with a pedal controllng the carrier frequency. My guess is that it is an Electro-Harmonix "Frequency analyzer" controlled by an Electro-Harmonix "Hot Foot" http://www.tonefrenzy.com/store/Electro_Harmonix_HOT_FOOT.html >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo > > > >Charles Zwicky wrote: >>The link is broken... can someone repost it? >>> >>> > >>>> > And, it's on youtube of course. >>>> > >>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMI9y1QRMQo* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:26:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4523BF80; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.204] From: samba - To: Subject: OT Bob Brozman,drums Turks Truk trance Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 08:26:16 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080501100348.6914E3BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080501100348.6914E3BF81@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 15:26:16.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2AE5B60:01C8AB9F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:26:17 +0000 (UTC) --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some reason my previous post didn't show up. I consider European milit= ary marches to be a form of trance drumming, that most definately creates e= ntrainment. These bands,esp the drums and cymbals were copied from the Turk= ish Jannisery bands. The Turks were of course,colonizers. The parts of Eur= poe that were once under their rule,have much more rhytmically complex musi= c than the other parts.=20 Working with the formula 'Low notes entrance,high notes excite' ,the bass= drums create one effect,which is connected to the feet going down,and the= busier high snare drums are pulling the knees up. left right exactly sync= ed. They used to use that stuff to psych people for fighting.Years ago I p= layed a gig with an African dance troupe as part of the Festival of the Pac= ific,which happens every year.Also on the bill was a group from Truk Island= . The island was occupied by US military in WWII ( after taking it from the= Japanese) They did one dance that was an imitation of soldiers marching,50= years later the frozen hips, rigidness, locked chin ,seriousness etc still= totally cracked them up. Esp the Frozen Hips posture.Showed me alot about = cultural differences.I don't think anyone on the planet besides Caucasion W= . European,and N Americans have that frozen hip thing?=20 The was a world wide Military music fad inthe late 19th century,a Gazebo o= r bandstand in every town square ,throughout all the colonies.=20 When African Americans in New Orleans got their hands on military instrume= nts,they took those square, military marches,and started adding the offbeat= s -the ands and ifs that move the hips. When they took all the drums and = cymbals,and put 'em together into a contraption one person could play,we go= t the trapset,jazz blues rock and roll RnB Funk soul etc. Similar process i= n brazil gave us Samba ,Maracatu,Bossa Nova Pagode. In W. Africa ,High Lif= e which led to all sorts of later styles. There are Horn bands all over the= world. In Triniad the oil drums from the US Navy base became orchestral instrument= s =20 Northern shamanic continuum trance drumming styles are often intended to = put the Player in a trance-and if it's truly Shamanic-for that person to go= to the other workd ,and bring something back for healing.A lot of new ager= s think that just going into a trance state is shamanic,but this intent of = navigating in the other world to bring something back is what it means in t= he Turkic languages where the word originates. The term entered the west t= hrough the work of Mircea ELiade with Yakut /Samoy shamans of E Siberia. In= terestingly the roots of the word Bongo ( ngoma is drum in Bantu languages)= ,and Fungus ,are the same-both are used to induce altered states. The fami= liar Native American powwow big drum with several players on the same heav= y down beat is for social dances,which also involves entrainment. Both thi= s and the shamanic styles involve all low notes ,no sharp high accents. The= deep trance stuff which also use drums, take place in Sweat Lodges,Vision = Q,uest Peyote Ceremoniess and Sundance ,the latter involves extremely alter= ed states inducing endorphin highs by intense pain-they put skewers through= their skin,with which they drag heavy weights,and suspend themselves. For = days African Diaspora drumming styles are mostly used to induce trance in the= dancers,and not the drummers. In some traditions the drummers take specif= ic precautions to avoid trancing out. These styles combine low and high no= tes in ways that create complex psycho-acoustic effects,one of which is to = knock peoples spirits out of their bodies so others spirits-ancestors ,oris= has loas,can come in. They dpon't go to the other world for spirit connecti= on,they invite the spirits to come into this ine,in their bodies. Essential= ly they dance with their Gods This effect seems to come from that combinati= on of low notes entrancing ,and high notes exciting. The combination of ele= ments working in differnet directions is also characteristic of African sty= les CK Ladzepko says the tension between 3s and 4s in the same piece teache= s people how to work with tension ,resistance,and adversity. I've seen a dr= ummer watching a dancer carefully then suddenly hit a high sharp phrase,and= the Dancer goes - out,eyes roll back,body language changes drastically.=20 So far I haven't really found examples of music traditions that don't s= how influneces from contacts w. 'other cultures'. The influences go in all = directions-not both directions,it's never that simple. _________________________________________________________________ Spell a grand slam in this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in= the game. http://club.live.com/word_slugger.aspx?icid=3Dword_slugger_wlhm_admod_april= 08= --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  For some reason my previous post didn't show up. I consider European = military marches to be a form of trance drumming, that most definately crea= tes entrainment. These bands,esp the drums and cymbals were copied from the= Turkish Jannisery bands. The Turks were  of course,colonizers. The pa= rts of Eurpoe that were once under their rule,have much more rhytmically co= mplex music than the other parts.
  Working with the formula 'Low = notes entrance,high notes excite' ,the bass drums  create one effect,w= hich is connected to the feet going down,and the busier high snare drums ar= e pulling the knees up.  left right exactly synced. They used to use&n= bsp; that stuff to psych people for fighting.Years ago I played a gig with = an African dance troupe as part of the Festival of the Pacific,which happen= s every year.Also on the bill was a group from Truk Island. The island was = occupied by US military in WWII ( after taking it from the Japanese) They d= id one dance that was an imitation of soldiers marching,50 years later the = frozen hips, rigidness, locked chin ,seriousness etc still totally cracked = them up. Esp the Frozen Hips posture.Showed me alot about cultural differen= ces.I don't think anyone on the planet besides Caucasion W. European,and N = Americans  have that frozen hip thing?
 The was a world wide = Military music fad inthe late 19th century,a Gazebo or bandstand in every t= own square ,throughout all the colonies.
When African Americans  i= n New Orleans got their hands on military instruments,they took those squar= e, military marches,and started adding the offbeats -the  ands and ifs= that move the hips.  When they took all the drums and cymbals,and put= 'em together into a contraption one person could play,we got the trapset,j= azz blues rock and roll RnB Funk soul etc. Similar process in brazil gave u= s Samba ,Maracatu,Bossa Nova Pagode.  In W. Africa ,High Life which le= d to all sorts of later styles. There are Horn bands all over the world.In Triniad the oil drums from the US Navy base became orchestral instrumen= ts
 
  Northern shamanic continuum trance drumming styles a= re often intended to put the Player in a trance-and if it's truly Shamanic-= for that person to go to the other workd ,and bring something back for heal= ing.A lot of new agers think that just going into a trance state is shamani= c,but this intent of navigating in the other world to bring something back = is what it means in the Turkic languages where the word originates.  T= he term entered the west through the work of Mircea ELiade with Yakut /Samo= y shamans of E Siberia. Interestingly the roots of the word Bongo ( ngoma i= s drum in Bantu languages) ,and Fungus ,are the same-both are used to induc= e altered states. The familiar Native American  powwow big drum with s= everal players on the same heavy down beat is for social dances,which also = involves entrainment.  Both this and the shamanic styles involve all l= ow notes ,no sharp high accents. The deep trance stuff which also use drums= , take place in Sweat Lodges,Vision Q,uest Peyote Ceremoniess and Sundance = ,the latter involves extremely altered states inducing endorphin highs by i= ntense pain-they put skewers through their skin,with which they drag heavy = weights,and suspend themselves. For days
   African Diaspora d= rumming styles are mostly used to induce trance in the dancers,and not the = drummers. In some traditions  the drummers take specific precautions t= o avoid trancing out.  These styles combine low and high notes in ways= that create complex psycho-acoustic effects,one of which is to knock peopl= es spirits out of their bodies so others spirits-ancestors ,orishas loas,ca= n come in. They dpon't go to the other world for spirit connection,they inv= ite the spirits to come into this ine,in their bodies. Essentially they dan= ce with their Gods This effect seems to come from that combination of low n= otes entrancing ,and high notes exciting. The combination of elements worki= ng in differnet directions is also characteristic of African styles CK Ladz= epko says the tension between 3s and 4s in the same piece teaches people ho= w to work with tension ,resistance,and adversity. I've seen a drummer watch= ing a dancer carefully then suddenly hit a high sharp phrase,and the Dancer= goes - out,eyes roll back,body language changes drastically.
 &nb= sp; So far I haven't really found  examples of music traditions that d= on't show influneces from contacts w. 'other cultures'. The influences go i= n all directions-not both directions,it's never that simple.













Spell a grand slam in = this game where word skill meets World Series. Get in the game. = --_11a39179-1f45-48f5-81e9-4c4ce5cf20eb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:34:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01013BF8B; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=pTfNmvDvkEeZ8IQ3dy2rombacppkNopajl+GbzIs5A4=; b=WAdVrgpICorwMqCJfhY+RdkgoMW29KjZyKu2/6ujrDyjNrOt5vw3Oop9PSuSM7/EDRKx12bvV5nT/5vkMOCdDBDqyg4Twd+uMvQf+zp0vNGVqTReh/o0O3KESfnZLfzNaA8HY++wl1CoOLKceHdcRR++4HCO4ysiFTj/su9kDyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MsK0h7fXB/VgDKVj+AMLUySuFEbVenwe9EGOoJ14972LhB61Wnr+/KLD2vM3c8IEK3ddePSryiXuSSSITnv0MGgxEd8yfaVoIglGdLPz7jV8uLHEYyH1WuZ3GoXw4NEX4Gu6tPQkuGQftKd7Ag84mwo7n04/wBD3dBtoPxHf5wU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:34:23 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Massive Topic Drift - Delete as Needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Rick, No disrespect taken ... it's a HUGE subject and we are all but proverbial blind men describing the proverbial elephant. So I dive in ... On 5/1/08, Rick Walker wrote: > thanks for your insight, Dennis. > I respect your knowledge on this subject but my own experience doesn't > agree entirely with your conclusions (it's okay to agree to disagree, here, I > think and I want to let you know that I respect your research and personal > experiences) > > The only thing I can say is that after having done a tradtional Peyote > sweat lodge ritual with completely non-syncopated rhythms > and having watched a Haitian Vodun ceremony where people were > 'possessed' by the Orishas after the famous 'crack in the universe' > polyrhythmic breaks were played that disrupted the trance inducing > polyrhythmic drumming of the three drummers, the quality of > trance was vastly different in form and energy. Actually, this is exactly my point (reread carefully what I said about cultural "set" differences accounting for the vary differences you point out). The research I wsa readign at the time was pretty clear that it wasn't syncopation or lack of syncopation that was instrumental in induction; rather it was the appropriate inclusion of the right audio frequency (just the right touch of those bass notes) and the "speed" with which those sounds were produced (non-synopated works fine you're hitting the drumhead fast/slow enough, or syncopated works so long as that same rhythm is included in the overall picture). And let's not forget that acoustic trance induction can also be enhanced through any number of psycotropic and entheogens, depending (again) on your cultural perspectives on the use of such things. Shoot, you can even do it by suggestion (we call that hypnosis in the West). > I do believe that it's all down to brain rhythms and certain entrainments > as you say, but I think there are lots of different mental states > that can be achieved by different methods which may differ radically from > each other, both in their triggers and in their manifestations. > These all are 'altered states'. Yep. That was what got me looking into it initially. The whole question of what are "altered states". And how does culture structure and determine the content of those altered states, as well as what are the appropriate social responses to them and the participants. Which of these experiences is likely to incur less social opprobium: 1. Getting really drunk in public and watching a sports event 2. Getting really wasted on ('shrooms, blotter, weed, etc) inpublic and watching a sports event Social control of ecstatic states? Sure, you betcha! > I am not, however, an expert, and I'd love to learn more about this > subject. I"m only working from what I know and the intellectual paradigm > that came from the the information theory garnered from studying with > Gregory Bateson and, to a lesser extent, John Grinder. Bateson was looking at this from a more psychological bent and the perspective of how shamanic healing practices might impact on psychotherapy. Don't know how much of that to attribute to his being married to Margaret Mead for all those years ... The whole area of trance and psychotheray were big topics when in the late 60's and 70's (well, like DUH!) and more than a few of us studying anthropology got sucked into studying this and related fields. (I was looking at ethnobotany, religious history, musicology, psychotherapy ... all from the point of view of an anthro student who was a musician who grew up in an almost-Fundamentalist household with more than a little exposure to glossalalia and , er, uhm, could address altered states from first person observer perspective.) One of the early observations was that some epileptics were subject to seizures when exposed to certain frequencies and rhythm combinations. This led to more research into the effcts of acoustic on brain states (which, of course, led to the researching trance induction in non-epileptics). > It's rather difficult to strap electrodes onto trance participants > (unless someone has perveresely accomplished this without my knowledge---> do you know more about this, Dennis?) > so it would be difficult to really solve this dialectic from a Western > scientific pardagimatic approach > but I would be flabbergasted if the brain is doing the same to both sets of > trancees in this case. Not as hard as you'd think, dependingon your definiton of trance. Most of THAT work has been done in the areas of sleep studies (dream states, esp.)and meditation. The subjects in those studies are a little more malleable, vis-a-vis attaching electrodes, and it has yielded a fair bit of literature. Ditto with the research on hypnotic states, which are a bit more analogous to the brain states that we percieve as "trance"-like. I seem to remember some studies in the 70's that used controlled reproduction of audio triggers on subject who WERE hooked up, in order to develop some of the baseline measurements as to what could be used to trigger things. And I recall that there were also some alpha wave behaviors, not just the theta wave ones, that were an important part of the behavior. > What else can you add to this, Dennis? I"m curious to know more about the > depth of your knowledge. It's been over 30 years since I looked deeply at the literature and I'm not certain where my own notes are now. One thing that struck me at the end of the roughly 4 years of researching this was that the cultural value of the altered state experience varied wildly across the world; that the brain was doing pretty much the same things, but we interpeted it in radically different manners. And THAT was something that was pretty much expected, given the history of religious experience, cross-culturally. I don't talk it about it much because it is difficult for many folks to talk rationally about religious experience as being an irrational, but natural phenomena. There has been a sudden outburst of research into the physiological (brain) basis of religious experience and its' development into "religion", so I do have hope that these things will become easier to discuss outside of academic circles. > respectfully Rick > > PS only one thing really bothers me about your post, I have to admit, > though: > why on earth did you stop drumming? > It seems to be one of the very quickest way to get people to entrain that I > know of. Uh, yeah. Actually that's pretty much the root of it right there. I'm ethically opposed to any form of entrainment without informed consent. Does it happen? All the time. But I make no claims to being responsible for it and I don't go out of my way to talk it about it (except inthe context of my own personal experiences, when asked). And actually, you can creat a self-hypnotic suggestion that will the trick even more quickly. And then there is the whole field of Neuro-linguistic Programming ... can you say "Speed Seduction"? sure you can ... > Last night I played with the Akron Family (and the DoDos) at an amazing gig > where > we just played the simplest rhythms in the world and the capacity crowd > went ape shit crazy. > There was definitely trance action happening. I was aware of it in my > self..........in the musicians > on the stage and definitely in the crazed dancing crowd by looking in their > ectstatic faces. Living in times when the propaganda machiens have been running non-stop for years, I am constantly reminded that "Fame is but the breath of the masses, and that oft unwholesome." There is tremendous power over others in the sounds we create and share. Consider the marching band at a high-school or college football game. Or, better still, a military marching band (ever wonder why they call it a "fight song"?). One of the problems with inducing altered states is in their control; ours is not a culture (in the West) that understands, appreciates, or encourages the arbitrary seeking out of visions by individuals. We have several thousand years of developing social control mechanisms to deal with truth-seekers, etc., and most of them have been negative (unfortunately). There are as many different altered states and visions as there are human beings ... but which one is "True"? Dennis "what was that middle part?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 15:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C37F3BF8B; Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 27890268 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: belew boxes (was BOWIE guitarists (looping)) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72084368DB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: belew boxes (was BOWIE guitarists (looping)) Thread-Index: Aciroa1jkppxPJwKS0C1qaMLnNUf5g== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2008 15:40:27.0280 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADBA2100:01C8ABA1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <09ieo.A.-x.tReGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:29 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwMI9y1QRMQo<< I was there that night. walked out after 40 minutes, couldn't stand the noise they were making or the queue for the bar. dreadful show.=20 I'm sure the band were great, but it was a dreadful show. "construKCtion of light" tour, wasn't it? the noise could be achieved using a digitech whammy & one of those godawful mxr blue box things, I think. (cue blue box/j mascis story) I was working in the mtv live performance studio back in early 1993 when dinosaur jr came in....=20 at this time, everything mascis used was in purple flight-cases. he was using marshall 50W plexis, three of them, & his favourite selection of jags, jazzmasters & a tele I think.=20 some of the effects were in an upright cabinet within locked drawers, but the main body of them were arrayed on a large piece of perspex shaped like an artist's paint-pallette & which had it's own enormous-but-slim purple flight case. during the tech-check, his guitar tech tried the blue box & made a face. I fetched him a new battery for it, but it sounded exactly the same. we left it how it was, thinking maybe mascis had had the thing modded. during the set, mascis engaged the pedal for about half a bar, made the same face as the tech & switched it off again. much much later, I bought one after seeing john (pj harvey) parrish use one on a bass- it seemed to fuzz the bass up quite musically.=20 I think I used it for about half a bar..... :-) duncan. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). If you are not the=20 intended recipient please e-mail the sender and then delete the email and=20 any attached files immediately. Any further use or dissemination is=20 prohibited. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:26:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3435D3BF73; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 16:26:00 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ev4M7oWSQhnzCzj/yG5pbLu3InIV+apW6B3x6D5om3ch7I5PYCFnxbRFDatlnvKMWLdKqR0F92+/e1qz8vuIThqoMbQ8MPWWOlpl90l9UU7kzltJ3PVOqBlCQEk5CWZk/K8PpUFv9ABd+S29DWed0QU8Tdb46S78KYtQH1Hu9AQ=; X-YMail-OSG: .i2c.1IVM1nxmEbR4KSoFmYsAT2_I1DE4Noo6oDI.fd6GLUUAW3xqbI_t4XLM2.BG7VpRr0PVsItaPYMQvBp3oe4Guzb88NNY5jchiPdf_EZ9cOkdHWbPgyQFic- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: RE: Musician Jokes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <380-2200854195857881@M2W038.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444438.11405.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6rxlwD.A.SyB.Z8eGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:26:01 +0000 (UTC) What do loopers use as birth control? Their personalities. :) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D643BF0D; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 607 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 16:30:05 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Message-ID:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=pHNsPe4S0Gv3NF4sdFlOLBa34NfGcXGEV6HghQLo8LsyTX6/eqvDkZegT94yoGX09gkK43h0WVLPeaRf8Dp/0Nxli7Erv9AL+hfFwNM8ZtVpQt3Ur2g1q6ngU2kVzGWH87uZ9A+fncc0nTYN9veuJYfJGv6dv7z00+yIPa1Ptu8= ; X-YMail-OSG: XLwPPKIVM1kyd62nune_FjlH5pbT7gP.1i.yZp0Se9X3ahzRj5LLoEXLX_MkDqIAxgv36W2GTzJRvf._4a8K3Amv1mGnedwQCUnlg0MigTvq9V3wTSKNuU26iCoJNz8cUbB536s7PxXKMrHU6BZxt2f8 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1093274820 Message-ID:<1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Electric Kalimba gig spam From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:17:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I've been a member of L.D. for approx 8 months with this being my 1st post. I find it to be highly informative and fascinating as to what's going on in the Looping community worldwide!! ** My instrument of choice is Electric Kalimba/w effects and Live Looping. I will be performing tomm. May 2nd, 7pm (eastern time) with several other National acts at the City Skies Electronic Music Festival which will be Broadcast Live at StillStream.com. Please tune in. Don't miss it !! Kevin "KalimbaMan" Spears. Myspace.com/KevinSpears Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 16:58:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6D503BF70; Thu, 1 May 2008 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: "looper's delight list" In-Reply-To: <1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (4A102) Subject: New sounds posted Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 4A102) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:57:47 -0400 References: <1093274820-1209658694-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854082668-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) New live gigs posted on myspace page Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F31643BF72; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 331 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 01 May 2008 17:12:46 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=KrVvlNOFNYEvwvquWkQA:9 a=KmCYjKmItlnDJe01zYoA:7 a=C08R7NGVGtBhSqgCXaf_baF5uXEA:4 a=ESEIaOzqGKcA:10 In-Reply-To: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> References: <8F6247506F234821A85BAC7ABDF8B9B1@WilliamsonPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:07:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I LOVE that movie!! I was just reading on Wikipedia and didn't know about Barron's story with the AFM. Incredible that the AFM has been up to the same protectionist strategies for over 50 years. I'm a former member and after reading this I despise them even more, which is a lot. ACK! From Wikipedia.... "The soundtrack for Forbidden Planet (1956) is today recognized as the first entirely electronic score for a film. Eerie and sinister, the soundtrack was unlike anything that audiences had heard before. Music historians have often noted how groundbreaking the soundtrack was in the development of electronic music. ...Not everyone was happy with the score. Louis and Bebe did not belong to the Musicians' Union. The original screen credit for the film, which was supposed to read "Electronic Music by Louis and Bebe Barron", was changed at the last moment by a contract lawyer from the American Federation of Musicians. In order to not upset the union, the association with the word music had to be removed. The Barrons were credited with "Electronic Tonalities". Because of their non- membership in the union, the film was not considered for an Oscar in the soundtrack, or special effects category. ...The Musicians Union forced MGM to title the Forbidden Planet score "electronic tonalities", not "music". And seeing the handwriting on the wall, used that excuse to deny them membership in the 1950s; the union's primary concern was losing jobs for performers rather than the medium itself. As a result, the Barrons never scored another film for Hollywood." On Apr 30, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Rick Williamson wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html > > "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first > electronic score for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, > echoes and weeeoooos that accentuated invisible monsters and > robotic creatures in the 1956 science-fiction classic "Forbidden > Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She was 82." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 17:32:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5A273BF6D; Thu, 1 May 2008 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xarWZzpl0QB6wRw4HuKK0DF81vVukP34LeJR2BzUHOExBmTD9NXnDa4Ou0LGxu+Mg8RH5Q9Hd3oymapdsZ3kytkv3aj3LKYjmjBWLyfT5lN7sm1nawuHo9A6EW7OaZfMq8JBpZBx+n2/SxCae3shl6bGaN2YITBDGfZRcwU3VQQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 4HArjhcVM1k7rZe.R7kM5v4zlAoaAKKqL7qLD3jhEjKSjQ5y8Kd87ucnUqWqRNRFnnalydPIaW4w8IxjKFgd4rQ1DIBtDVcplsiyFrG2w.8B1YFztmDNymW51Q-- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Trance - was Bob Brozeman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080501152618.66FE13BF8D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <487100.16040.qm@web52810.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:32:18 +0000 (UTC) From my own experience, I'd say that Rick is onto something here. It's all to easy to want to put the multiplicity of human experience into a neatly packaged little box. For this reason alone, I rarely feel drawn to enter into LD philosophical discussions. Even if the brain waves produced under radically differing trance situations were similar, who among us has the faintest clue as to what that actually means? Dogmatic thinking is just as odious whether it comes from Bob Brozeman, Rick Walker, myself, or George W... May we all be humbled by that simple expression. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:45:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242123BF56; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:45:46 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Aetherphon , LoopersDelight Subject: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello to all! I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog Music, =20 in Asheville, NC. Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music =20 expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply called: =20 "The Moog Guitar". I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I =20 learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding like =20 a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and =20 heard regarding the Moog Guitar. My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric =20 guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the guitar. =20 And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite sustain, for =20 example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. However, my guess =20 about the theory of operation was mistaken. The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are built =20 into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As many =20 readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to set it into =20 vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The engineers at Moog took =20 things to another level -- for ebow technology can do the opposite: it =20 can be used to remove energy from a string, too. Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others can =20 sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a =20 staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed by a =20 bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and as the =20 chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an entire =20 string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. And =20 the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned that =20 some people can't believe that this is all being done on the strings =20 until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the strings themselves. I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the =20 looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 many guitarists and loopers). While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes things =20 to another level. Best wishes to Moog Music. May the new Moog Guitar inspire many =20 musicians and be another success story for Moog Music. All the best to one and all. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 19:56:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F73E3BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=W6zTg+hJa+SkeZ6Oyk2vM44bt7N9GpdqqD+SZp9Uzro=; b=Gq1keGy88iqi6QmZxUCK8YepBNdO77qbuxEtzi2RP71gJnPzC/i6SMqilS4/oRKTBEXQgnnK23xqHDvq21kQB2tfUafmPOuY0cvAODqtwO/em7OWtEVAf8FxhMIhqy4H2wB/zylBHoF56WodojJfHQKzR1h+5wAlPRcDlxcggWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GfqS/rOXUgww9DNWIz9I7NYydwYcfcCePmJU8GkfFqs39Z3Hv1LMi4/A87Eq+WD818OD+sqHyBXlmSc+Xq8FneKNi/PHcdIDTzOAKOwjByVFN5Tb2gMSGtPCJeLrteKUMPQkrL1BzYvxuAAh0lb8i5KfH7cvtggg/sHr6QjF2Wk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:37 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307" References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-IP_J.A.ic.2BiGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a reliable package, with built-in effects. TH On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM, wrote: > ". > > I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I > learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding like a > "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and heard > regarding the Moog Guitar. > ------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a reliable package, with built-in effects.

TH

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:45 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
".

I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I learned and heard about this product.  I run the risk of sounding like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned and heard regarding the Moog Guitar.

------=_Part_4761_32260106.1209671797307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97A873BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501150305.cpqupakw04w0c088@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 15:03:05 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <23G48D.A.s5.9HiGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Travis Hartnett : > Sounds like someone may have found a way to realize the Gizmotron in a > reliable package, with built-in effects. > TH > While it sounds like "built in fx", all the sound shaping is done on the strings themselves -- the sound suggests some kind of fx processing however it is all done on the strings. They started from the standpoint of a high-quality guitar. Someone who is familiar with guitars would have to attest to its playability, while I suspect it is very high quality. It does very good "acoustic" sounds as well as electric ones. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D458C3BF61; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481A26C3.3040209@aol.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:23:31 +0200 From: chrisrover User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com CC: chrisrover@aol.com Subject: Re: LOOPS ONLINE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 84.185.23.227 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Dear friends, Thank you all for visiting www.myspace.com/christianrover becoming new friends and your kind comments. I look forward to listening in detail to all of the beautiful music you have put out there, when I'm done with my current recording sessions. A special note to Warren and Stephen: The opening number at myspace is set to change at random. So you were first hit by my rendition of Coltranes "Giant Steps"... hope the speakers were not on 11 ;-) This version seems to divide listeners into those who love it and those who hate it. An older fan, who knows me as a mainstream organ trio jazz guitarist, even literally demanded that I take it off my site... maybe eventually I'll bow to public pressure... for now I think of it as a contribution to "shred" and musical humor. To answer the octaver question: I assume you're referring to the live version of "Love my tender hide". I'm using a custom built guitar with low E and A string (tuned an octave lower than legally allowed). I wish I knew an octave-shifter that could give me that sound. I would have two more strings to solo with ;-) Greetings Christian Rover chrisrover@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:29:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB013BF00; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=DDpBYVfUqtlilzy052W1nTEO8dJbRSMshvVH9EuGsB4=; b=gADw/MAHmfsuVnFNVMhNAkwzwbSLK89JWb9xup85L5HfMWaXW3oKAE5rmiNxZtW8UEEjlTolMI1rlR6f76DsRKnpMA8ee3E9adPJAk8j0QoZarJdKJfp0yGw9wVY3gxbhHT35hWi1HQs7BrJEKomMp1nTHuF5GzRlr814WHPGfs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gTa12KBjLQ/N5awQdcz7c4QxI4GdMhcw2OL0s0ZDyCIhwKT/lwhSjO3/WQd17Q6DePw6jsALTn6NBUIQB4uNCT6LQ2xwKAfzrlc+32QtFHxoCdbdsb+4LMMD76YWt9/x8CD+j2an5pql2LbcOvM/xYohbWJntFaWBUs4D0gjlTg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:57 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:29:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the looping > community as well as the theremin community (which includes many guitarists > and loopers). One month ago a video demo of that guitar being played was used as splash for http://moogmusic.com/. I checked back today but it's gone now. It sounded fantastic!!! I've played a little MIDI guitar with each string set to its own MIDI channel and eight good synths, one per sting, but that's nothing compared to hearing the true string and every string individually sustained. In that demo video the guitarist used the same sound patch for all strings; fading down a bit at first but then increasing the sustain to raise the level, producing a sound similar to if you sample the guitar note and play back the first loop in reverse (or like doing Record --> Reverse on an EDP). I think Moog's polyphonic sustain system would be very expressive for a fretless guitar. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 20:40:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD9DE3BF62; Thu, 1 May 2008 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H4DW960rBmu0zTT3Dxin6A==:17 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=jOyGg1T56xCgC_ftNvsA:9 a=xkPAEEoOOrIAov9ABqefL72FmVUA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=10sAvMsTeQkA:10 From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bebe Barron Passes Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:40:45 +0000 Message-Id: <050120082040.28123.481A2ACD0000446A00006DDB2216548686CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: <4smv7.A.9fC.PriGIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Very sad news, but thanks for passing it on. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Rick Williamson" > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/movies/25barron.html > > "Bebe Barron, who with her husband Louis composed the first electronic score > for a feature film - the eerie gulps and burbles, echoes and weeeoooos that > accentuated invisible monsters and robotic creatures in the 1956 > science-fiction classic "Forbidden Planet" - died Sunday in Los Angeles. She > was 82." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:03:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D473BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=jowN23HVjqX/cJZng6C0Hv9JClo0NBTzjeUON/Sp99U=; b=YqW6EA9XZPKZJbsrt2I3oV1x1+/u/56C3X6NcxdnqwLaPK7ByzRbE59KfDC2WDpU5XBXXEhduvu3O240vfOZUsxflQ+RNNYBzad9WBiwHdCj++HFDqPyu5Na586WZyknPdov+FBSCDL81jbQBTV2vc8ITOAztEnqM7tCc25bs5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Y5oBA7R6zjDzLF8ju14ENqHWMMFetTP2dR5RCuVtzq+dhZd+qGEBK7OGCDttwEvVdXuKMxES8vZomi6Z3mBlztQeoO/Qvuv4a28ZBTso8c74nniEbt+VDXIzBy/mhI0hg0zidadxzRWlOtOJkr/DjPpBnJQvWdLhlqo7U2McZMw= Message-ID: <481A3E28.3020509@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:03:20 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dainel Dingeldein Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:03:49 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > I use Mcintyre pickups for my Dobro, National steel, Mandolin and Banjo. http://www.mcintyrepickups.com/ You will need a preamp if you are going to play out since the pickups are not active. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:13:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DB0B3BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=A5kYFNyQDfPOKE1F3P73oQOB8m+PnqUug+iCVfwTDOY=; b=IOwTND9tuKhzj6l9KjcN0o5QWb13gVOR+mCZxvrtTRz0fT837w1pTnayj4ynel6RGhZZrCLqJXYWkAyXWeAUjGSwRcCn3n4+ghtXIvuHvrIgIFPXWORdNccW5pg7Odjut0TD3mzXWH9k8rX/JGvnXPOhQbFttg2ec1GK0gkmhiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ZMOG3Zni7xr9tGsDqoEgAHdctNcnsjxABa0awXuHrwBDDXNcDTTuiU3PxG1fNef5v6tHYQ/sEuDTGYg9ZpOJyHCvr62x+dbjai6bvvDIxpwArvEe5XvWiQfKgNH8RuSj47JjLUBOeHgScx6L/ozTN65aSKbkcZBHQ++7YWn9wF0= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:13:21 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: feedback problem on edp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:13:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always - anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks - ------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always -
anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks -
------=_Part_3593_22808391.1209680002003-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:14:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690193BF30; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 00:14:57 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18WK4gf9EIWFzw61x695huVF09xhvTXRgQPOxJcsn NaYl7Bn1K3J+78iYGarbbuvDBZ7iwxI0ZVjA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 2XcpfOUjf2IsO/5yl21o5+t4dWxlc1Z8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 looper and Zoom G2.1u I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a guitar !!! Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons of possibilies how to play... Even the effect pedal is already optimized for guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger tips. Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on a range of 4 octaves... Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get a decent vocal bass line... ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. And I just figured how easy looping can be - when you use a guitar. So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar - what the heck. I know some of you will object to certain details (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) and I know there are enough loopers out there facing many technical & practical challenges. Just wanted share my first-time impressions with guitar looping. I'm stunned. Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:23:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4DF3BE7E; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080501172353.q7iakihbgkgs0woc@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:23:53 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! References: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Buzap Buzap : > > > So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if I can make life > so much easier looping with a guitar - what the heck. > Great post. I actually started out when learning my way around the RC-50 with a microphone -- though I don't use a mic in actual performance. With the mic, I would count out beats and measures by number -- then I could figure out what-loop-was-doing-what, etc. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu May 1 22:29:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21813BE86; Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vDLwYi9iI8/RKwgOQs3T+ax4+6Ik51pS7a5Sl6ptlDQ=; b=bkEaLN6hcA1Dz3dJSgHG+JWpUSxr4B0Y1iQSCHSjuaPpzE5nbjJMvPs/4F6C7HgI3NJzdbrOIwPdmT5jpHRKu6Ka08WZQp6G8Zr/Kn0iSwkkqc+PC2hR0kboQ8Cl+IMaJ2ws6ctqFKi7L75MLNLVUffMCtNyaKLQkulaEmd/gko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=W07KW6N2ffkhoqZCvfpiXziiq0trKu7lg8P9bLgTYRhW+j58ikoOr1YSIkOB//cD9FtYmAy9AsTDebLrpxxSuOx3Pxf8oO6oWZhgzXs4zV8TtW1Ot8Mdm+WFCgg8EMx4llzS66sUSYDbep5CFOe36r6W7tCHkjN08ul1oPUC0C8= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805011529q402e1998l1c4477b17200d012@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:29:08 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557" References: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe your knob broke. If you have an expression pedal, try plugging it in, rocking it up (so feedback is 127) and then unplugging it. If you don't have an expression pedal, then I'm sorry for wasting your time. On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steve Sandberg wrote: > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control > - i have maximum feedback always - > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks - > > ------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maybe your knob broke. If you have an expression pedal, try plugging it in, rocking it up (so feedback is 127) and then unplugging it. If you don't have an expression pedal, then I'm sorry for wasting your time.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steve Sandberg <stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to the feedback control - i have maximum feedback always -
anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for how to fix it? thanks -

------=_Part_2223_4042329.1209680948557-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 00:57:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED77F3BF4F; Fri, 2 May 2008 00:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=yOIqQUYu1ls1Qo9TxhaBTjVWOmi0uXpZptcyuDzTiaeYkYkYtYZoj+EscsP2+3RSKyVqbGBZnihU37XS6e8xOo0hoXTjnnw+40sc4h9dttKT8SGynGDIedKiQ+PgTmNe+58nJPJdAwtjuf9bUju2FpcAY4d+6g+kna+3CGmObOk=; X-YMail-OSG: z_koY3QVM1nVCqUef345d_zinUzjoaecH3tQ0Xx6FaBhNw5BElHvmLFjGEuKl.6VFvMq_1hCTHRzX9C2jqpBQau_Oih4iuhxnb6PyKZ8pJoU7UYi9tJeoqH_WyI- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <303703.16907.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:57:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/.  Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars.

He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm


Ted.



"L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his
national guitar,but are there pickups outhere
specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of
them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away
the character of their sound.
cheers
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


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"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1648291064-1209689846=:16907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 04:07:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7A93BF49; Fri, 2 May 2008 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 02 May 2008 04:07:54 UTC From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <303703.16907.qm@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acir7384XVt8n/HoQ7GJ/lDW7YIEjgAGBrjA Message-Id: <20080502040754.43F573BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:07:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New list member here, and first post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP since 2003. I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no looping. I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it. www.highlanderpickups.com It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural sound. Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top resophonic players. I appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified steel National I've ever heard. \ Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes _____ From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

New list member here, and first = post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; = using an EDP since 2003.  I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and = work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no = looping.

 

I have a brass-bodied resophonic = guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it.  www.highlanderpickups.com =   It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord.  It’s excellent, in my = opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural = sound.

 

Brozman is quoted on their page = along with other top resophonic players.  I appeared with Keb’ Mo’ = last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and = had the best amplified steel National I’ve ever = heard.

\

 

Dave = Gallaher

 

Microwave Dave & The = Nukes

 

From: ditch = wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, = 2008 7:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: amplifying a = national steel dobro guitar

 


I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/.  = Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars.

He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: = http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: = http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm


Ted.



"L.A. Angulo" = <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:

talking about = Brozman,he seems to just mic his
national guitar,but are there pickups outhere
specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of
them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away
the character of their sound.
cheers
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


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"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, = middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc = Goddard

 

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! = Mobile. Try it now.

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C8ABDF.3EC4F110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 08:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B083BEFA; Fri, 2 May 2008 08:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xIu9VEwUl6EEcnoUflLxnoQNPiRhWzP2CLMRb7dashlcsYsKKSdyBtkQWydFCaHt/IP0n7YSdS873Zw9a4YZlgWjZpZreelKP9FzH9j0SanbBeSEIz7ewYHowPRaxZ0HVdDEb0WtjnXftuJBZccU2fSgPUEwgJVR0ePjAYLR7d8=; X-YMail-OSG: aHmNYXEVM1kH8g9N0KsxMQVl4KXAh5W6AsmHzthOjzeiqMLYTYG9kBV8_nnSNFZBoO2Orw7CeFDsolqJtN1dRfU9yKIpf8RHemjQFdGKP98xQ7mH9O82DOHH_Lw- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080502040754.43F573BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > New list member here, and first post---been looping > live a couple nights a > week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP > since 2003. I play solo > blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of > the week with a blues > trio, no looping. > > > > I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a > Highlander pickup in it. > www.highlanderpickups.com > It comes > with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my > opinion, as the pickup > is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural > sound. > > > > Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top > resophonic players. I > appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a > humbucker-type on top with > a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified > steel National I've ever > heard. > > \ > > > > Dave Gallaher > > > > Microwave Dave & The Nukes > > > > _____ > > From: ditch wrestler > [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro > guitar > > > > > I'll offer up Schatten Design - > http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a > good guy and done some work on my geetars. > > He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed > instrument (harp to > ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) > p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his > tri-cone p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm > > > Ted. > > > > "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few > of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take > away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and > an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean > Luc Goddard > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 11:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664773BF34; Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wJSSEqYfRy5Ce+Kr4OlXuSW0W5sFU1jajT5ygJoDv8Q=; b=MXaiUYZVR+P2juzP75HjKWnX6XqgOfe8m4zQD7n9AopfUujj0+CujrmK69zgX1gbb/Vr1Y9LSHwV3IVJbbhEvblYDMC03XmS++q3+qQY3DCthnNmifYSUXokt5U2YbU8P1np6X9HsLQlD+iedau1+BAi0M5iyFeWnQ0+Y6IGONI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nH5RuGvZfj/UPXgeyDHMCU1h/kQZ3Y1aJ1NCfDRsLwX40/saoXChbXYqlxYQaoO75btokpHFrY28k55G9uMjBdm16Pm0BjVB9u8cGhK4n+VGrE0Dbd3oXJO4wCh2P6zexq53lrKi1MIAGR8A7LK04kflo6y/OITScU56gsjFRCA= Message-ID: <7b6c0ce70805020425i4664da00r153e680c505be39e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:25:15 -0400 From: "Steve Sandberg" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: feedback problem on edp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:25:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline woops - fixed it - somehow my settings got changed - thanks to all who replied. steve ------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline woops - fixed it - somehow my settings got changed - thanks to all who replied.
steve
------=_Part_4571_18567903.1209727515948-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12503BF33; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=K1bZ0uEdB98EkI+qrL7Zxu2UYgktzXMcAL7mMaSwPTu2D/nL0C2xXWkPl12My/Xf2n5eGt+UTHgusOdttQ37Vtm/0UtRGktPyTff5Se9HFtmrTi74ZP+t6NEXs2YmCa4D5O9x0aE46G3Lo3UwMmYm7RWmcGc+mIs6P8iqH71BeQ=; X-YMail-OSG: vzXjdxgVM1mZRVN9aqLVxtR8rDoJS1zCrTVPAeQnAgvwjXbgc.GVuWAWLYgcL4uTtdLftFVgd8yucfQ4E.JqyL9uSn677JJmdgkU1mcEhiINnTst9bypMLguKeE- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey buddy, so what were you looping before? i understand, ive been playing lately just with acoustic my voice and cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding problem...i am also thinking about getting the handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow people seem to get more turned on when you loop the real thing specially your voice! cheers Luis --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the > first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 > looper and Zoom G2.1u > > I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a > guitar !!! > Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons > of possibilies how to play... > Even the effect pedal is already optimized for > guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: > Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger > tips. > Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a > guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, > tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You > can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on > a range of 4 octaves... > Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice > bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more > work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get > a decent vocal bass line... > ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other > instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard > so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... > try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... > > Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've > pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. > And I just figured how easy looping can be - when > you use a guitar. > > So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if > I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar > - what the heck. > > I know some of you will object to certain details > (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) > and I know there are enough loopers out there facing > many technical & practical challenges. > Just wanted share my first-time impressions with > guitar looping. I'm stunned. > > Buzap > > > -- > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit > Deinen Interessen! > Jetzt dabei sein: > http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055483BF32; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VkWl5F3Q/Rakra+0wUVKOr19yFQCbEZot8Z4ybDY9XCpJ1v5hNk9TIIOcJKDKA4RpqS3hPuB+RpL2YZEx2EPl8D56NDBO86gxjtH8Nfka313opGNRbvLihnFeT1UhaDaSPBYvIgnBOPOfFcl1sgx3azKroA67V4wfyTATtGqdw0=; X-YMail-OSG: brbL160VM1nYAyYX_icvpENv1NAmtszBbeky.1pMavS7.nqfxDWHTOV2dUyNzq.yi87dur8DG6AiZemNLCqSdWYsVhZKpzIYWMLa0CLV1Tssod4hH0215KwEGf8- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:26:23 +0000 (UTC) could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a thought) also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How can i program the "erase all loops" function on the fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the feedback knob all the way to the right position? cheers Luis --- Steve Sandberg wrote: > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to > the feedback control - > i have maximum feedback always - > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for > how to fix it? thanks - > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:41:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B363BF3A; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026c01c8ac5a$4041d730$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:41:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, do you play the cajon ? I really love it. Do you have any recording where you play/looping it to let me listen to ? See you in Cologne ! Fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! > Hey buddy, > so what were you looping before? i understand, ive > been playing lately just with acoustic my voice and > cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding > problem...i am also thinking about getting the > handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow people > seem to get more turned on when you loop the real > thing > specially your voice! > cheers > Luis > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi folks >> >> I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for the >> first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my RC-50 >> looper and Zoom G2.1u >> >> I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use a >> guitar !!! >> Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, tons >> of possibilies how to play... >> Even the effect pedal is already optimized for >> guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound like: >> Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger >> tips. >> Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of a >> guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, >> tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You >> can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck on >> a range of 4 octaves... >> Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a nice >> bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much more >> work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to get >> a decent vocal bass line... >> ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other >> instruments... ... switch patches on your keyboard >> so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper ... >> try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... >> >> Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. I've >> pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so far. >> And I just figured how easy looping can be - when >> you use a guitar. >> >> So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality if >> I can make life so much easier looping with a guitar >> - what the heck. >> >> I know some of you will object to certain details >> (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." etc) >> and I know there are enough loopers out there facing >> many technical & practical challenges. >> Just wanted share my first-time impressions with >> guitar looping. I'm stunned. >> >> Buzap >> >> >> -- >> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit >> Deinen Interessen! >> Jetzt dabei sein: >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - Release Date: > 01/05/2008 17.30 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 13:51:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE963BF43; Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 9717579/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.202.117 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.202.117 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AngBAJy5GkhPSsp1/2dsb2JhbAAIq2WCQQ Message-ID: <481B1C76.30402@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:51:50 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp References: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:51:50 +0000 (UTC) check out the EDP function RecordMode=SAF which resets FB to 100% when you record a loop. ( I use that all the time, good for saving emabarrasment, ...and the footpedal response is delayed so that if you left it in he wrong place you can quickly toe-down it without leaving a gap in the loop) OR send the CC to set feedback=100% from fcb FeedbackCont param is the CC number for feedback (defaults to 1) andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > thought) > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a > new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How > can i program the "erase all loops" function on the > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > wrote: > >> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to >> the feedback control - >> i have maximum feedback always - >> anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for >> how to fix it? thanks - >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 16:49:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781B93BF27; Fri, 2 May 2008 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:49:15 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18bkWAnpsEbXSpVmG/gW3DFIs21MMgDgPdN++uy2+ Xb8pzxFliuLdKDrzJDSeK+9slb5Q40Ryg6Dg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: XzJ+OForZCEEc8dhnm0h7ld4IGhpZYYM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis yes, vocals are really thrilling. It's really fascinating to hear what some people do with their voice on loopers... I also play a cajon box and I used to loop cajon box, darbouka, frame drum, chicken eggs etc. for percussion. I've gradually switched everything to beatboxing. I find it easier to control (mic) and it's more spontaneous. I use "real" percussion instruments without the looper (i.e. solo) now. I don't think the guitar will replace my voice ;-) But like moving from real percussion to beatboxing, I think the guitar will make my looping life easier in the future for specific purposes i.e. bass line, harmonics (I used to create harmonic layers with harmonicas, vocals, keys or a Clavietta). Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 17:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FED63BF22; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:27:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcisLdSTDq/yL1aqRQa0ZAb25pe8qAAS1k8Q Message-Id: <20080502172802.06EAE3BF1E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) The Nationals and Dobros are comparably expensive, but there are several lines of Chinese-made resophonics that come with single, dual or tricone resonators that have good sounds. With any of them, from top lines on down, you must find the single instrument that has the sound you seek. I have a Johnson, which was not very expensive (and isn't fancy), which out of a dozen or so like it exhibited a very bell-like quality. I don't recommend ordering one from a catalog--just pick up and play every one you see for sale; if you find one you like, get someone else to play it for you while you walk around it and listen to the projection. Some sound almost like they are playing through amps... dave Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes micdave@hiwaay.net www.microwavedave.com 256-519-9993 PO Box 18622 Huntsville, AL 35804 Talkin' the Blues with Microwave Dave Tuesdays, 6-8pm. WJAB 90.9 FM www.aamu.edu/wjab/ 256-372-5861 Saturdays, 8-9pm WLRH 89.3 FM www.wlrh.org 256-895-9574 -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > New list member here, and first post---been looping > live a couple nights a > week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP > since 2003. I play solo > blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of > the week with a blues > trio, no looping. > > > > I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a > Highlander pickup in it. > www.highlanderpickups.com > It comes > with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my > opinion, as the pickup > is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural > sound. > > > > Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top > resophonic players. I > appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a > humbucker-type on top with > a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified > steel National I've ever > heard. > > \ > > > > Dave Gallaher > > > > Microwave Dave & The Nukes > > > > _____ > > From: ditch wrestler > [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro > guitar > > > > > I'll offer up Schatten Design - > http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a > good guy and done some work on my geetars. > > He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed > instrument (harp to > ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) > p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his > tri-cone p/u's are here: > http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm > > > Ted. > > > > "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few > of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take > away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and > an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean > Luc Goddard > > > > _____ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Yahoo! Mobile. Try > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 17:51:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067133BF22; Fri, 2 May 2008 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VVNQWjCRSG8fw6+VXpRGgn7HU6XJqt+QoD4lEdG6oUc=; b=oREym5N/M3xWRwhMbLZj1TeCdDoy/yKiwpsS4TT0KVldf9qfVShKS3etLzO1KG2zeYB3uQuc6nFe+uthhdmKt0Qa9fWi2Tp2OzMoHRTiNTyHXvfZCyPJXuEQErJ2F5hxrVJTm7TGhiHCYIQyjspRzOUdNp75RY9zEcbI29qBW+o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j41Dbnv+2q5/9V/kRKyRLdku4ZYBSGjOhCyw89m5fd8884X/IHntalrepS7E4SeaCiU4QcmSBD1p5hxiLk+1nTbP81NTVoO98c+RSwoQgHUx3sOGXBYFwaNWHVgV/Ru75+JPwOosR5OKqv95V7QiayFwwrRQQd19BG9plQG4drg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:51:35 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp In-Reply-To: <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988" References: <7b6c0ce70805011513t455f40a5g624f7f4fdd5ab85@mail.gmail.com> <577250.6694.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:51:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had the same problem. Very irritating, Overall I find volume pedal type controllers to be the wrong solution for managing FB or volume settings unless I'm doing actual swells. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:26 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > thought) > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a > new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How > can i program the "erase all loops" function on the > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > wrote: > > > All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to > > the feedback control - > > i have maximum feedback always - > > anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas for > > how to fix it? thanks - > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ------=_Part_7563_23899248.1209750695988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had the same problem.  Very irritating,  Overall I find volume pedal type controllers to be the wrong solution for managing FB or volume settings unless I'm doing actual swells.

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:26 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a
thought)
also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i loop
and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i follow
by pressing erase all loops and reseating the feedback
to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start a
new one sometimes the feedback continues to fade.How
can i program the "erase all loops" function on the
fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the
feedback knob all the way to the right position?
cheers
Luis



--- Steve Sandberg <stevesandbergmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond to
> the feedback control -
> i have maximum feedback always -
> anyone ever have a similar problem?  Any ideas for
> how to fix it? thanks -
>


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Hello all!   I have trouble when I record on my RC-50. When I try to loop something that I have loaded already on my RC-20  and  let the RC-50 set the tempo automatically i run into trouble.  I know the loop is tight because I played along with a good metronome and it plays perfectly on the RC-20 and yet if the loop is a couple of minutes long, when I am finished the tempo that is locked in as the phrase tempo on the RC 50 is nowhere NEAR the real tempo.  It sounds fine, the loop is cleanly finished with an inaudible start stop point, but I can't use the stored tempo to then midi sync to my drum machine. I am using the RC 50 as the master.   I noticed on short loops it seems to work fine.  I have tried setting the tempo manually before hand and tapping along to set it, but nothing works. Any thoughts??



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 20:23:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A4B3BF1A; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8Lf/JHtD1y0hdWTmExTQ/tNN4VEMQlfTg1dWmgYwGyg=; b=B2sdgw1Uh2+O81NvJ/EKWRQTCldhxIq2mBeCyZ4chpbFIkUlj+u4lKQpfNqn04vvhLtITLTR3geLXEt4ayy1LUGjBDZLmR6rBb9Y8nSYnIwcbbEQ3opmlhp3/8u2ngItIrRc4Kr2snH9uKP56pOrWSpPeabIL6qLRoKiweFpeVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vXaTJDFTILUh9msPkLQpO9/HlGkbhc2vy++R9+D9RZAaU7P5+O+Z/Me76c5Wxz4yDibP0MtZGvTzKDcQ2gmU92jLXVjqAdjep66r231NZhUtAaqxUCnwu7cI8jL1uGVQyPPpCTX/OuQie/xIjdAxbQ1KjgF+uJMlhlF9i4ynX9c= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:23:31 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7Eb-uD.A.U5G.Fh3GIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:23:33 +0000 (UTC) > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > > > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the looping > > community as well as the theremin community (which includes many guitarists > > and loopers). > http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 20:29:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 254333BF24; Fri, 2 May 2008 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:28:59 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcisewjEBczRmRLHQiyQm2kWAPx6tAAF9xew In-Reply-To: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:29:04 +0000 (UTC) > It's really fascinating to hear what some people do with their voice on loopers... yes ... e.g. if you haven't, listen to "Etusta" on www.myspace.com/polyphonicsoulo -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 21:54:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9F73BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 21:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:54:22 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Message-ID: <20080502215422.161530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080502164915.189940@gmx.net> <002f01c8ac93$276660d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JsAgrRYXJ/N3uT9yCVjUITQKD48BCV9TRNYjbEf mQeMon8atCAOlxEMkFmRCDBkM0SvFSYjNpOA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: troufGx4TiE+S9p6nGVweSB9ZUVSRFdT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Michael > yes ... e.g. if you haven't, listen to "Etusta" on > www.myspace.com/polyphonicsoulo yes, nothing beats a beautiful voice - except, perhaps, more of the same overdubbed :-) "Etusta" reminds me a bit of "Circle Songs" by Bobby McFerrin. Thanks Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 269143BF1C; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 00:06:43 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1864YV343k6aWFxNkIBL++Jvp2wB1OXx6SkbfqZnn gC7+hSbxtw/5eZMiz7E8uIMgbVxAaFl3SkKw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: F/l+CXJLfW47RZNBjGRoPD1udmllckW3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. One thing that disturbed me: Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. So me thinks: what if you happen to pick up some weird FM frequency that kills your ears? Please tell me if I'm paranoid. But it seems to me a long way from a IEM sender to your ears. So, I've found in the Internet a very elegant solution: Headphone Limiters: http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/productdetails.aspx?productid=24-001 Canford makes them for BBC broadcasting in UK. The best thing is: you don't have to waste a rack unit for a limiter - it's really small! They can also custom fit to your head/earphones for an exact loudness level (how many dB would you suggest)? For a cheap solution, do you guys think one could take two cheap bass guitar limiters? i.e. http://behringer.com/BLE100/ Please let me know if I'm paranoid on limiters. best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:16:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7143D3BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 00:48:38 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kevin, this is probably going to be the only reason to make me consider another guitar... very interesting info, thank you very much for it. I just don't see any chance to know/see/hear something more than the bouncing, few informations unofficially hitting the net. Any chance to see an official move by moog ? my best, luca www.unguitar.com kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Hello to all! > > I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog > Music, in Asheville, NC. > > Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music > expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply called: > "The Moog Guitar". > > I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what I > learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of sounding > like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what I learned > and heard regarding the Moog Guitar. > > My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric > guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the guitar. > And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite sustain, for > example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. However, my > guess about the theory of operation was mistaken. > > The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are built > into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As many > readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to set it into > vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The engineers at Moog took > things to another level -- for ebow technology can do the opposite: > it can be used to remove energy from a string, too. > > Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others can > sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a > staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed by a > bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and as the > chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an entire > string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. > > My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. > And the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned > that some people can't believe that this is all being done on the > strings until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the strings > themselves. > > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the > looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes > many guitarists and loopers). > > While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes > things to another level. > > Best wishes to Moog Music. 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Dear Friend,

I am a senior staff of bill and exchange unit at FOREIGN
REMITTANCE DEPT.SOCIETE GENERALE DE BANQUES AU BURKINA(SGBB)

I am
writing to you, following the impressive information received about you
from the chambers of commerce. I believed that you are capable and
reliable to champion this business opportunity.

In my department I
discovered an abandoned sum of U.S $12.5m US dollars in an account that
belonged to one of In an account that belongs to one of our foreign
customer who died along with his entire family on 25TH JULY,2000
CONCORDE PLANE CRASH [Flight AF4590 with the whole passengers aboard,
the name oF the deceased man was (MR. JOHN KOROVO), from
Munich,Germany.

Since we got information about his death, we have
been expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because
we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or
relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines but
unfortunately I learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation
died alongside with him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the
claim.

It is therefore upon this discovery that I now decided to make
this business proposal to you, so that the bank can release the money to
you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and
subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we don't want
this money to go into the Bank treasury as unclaimed Bill.

The
Banking law and guideline here stipulates that if such money remained
unclaimed after six years, the money will be transfered into the Bank
treasury as unclaimed fund.
The request of foreigner as next of kin in
this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a
foreigner and a Burkinabe cannot stand in as next of kin to a
foreigner.

I agree that 35% of this money will be for you as foreign
partner, in respect to the provision of a foreign account, 10 % will be
set aside for tax and expenses to be incurred during the business and 55
% would be for me,there after I will visit your country for disbursement
according to the percentages indicated.

Therefore to enable the
immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first
to the bank as a relation or next of kin of the deceased customer but
that will be when you have shown interest to assist me in this
transaction then i will forward to you the text of application with the
bank address where the application will be sent to by you as the next of
kin to Mr Andreas Schranner.

Upon receipt of your reply, I will send
to you by fax or email the text of the application. I will not fail to
bring to your notice that this transaction is 100% hitch and risk free
and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required
arrangements have been made for the transfer .

Trusting to hear from
you immediately.

Your's faithfully,
Mr Ali Issa.



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---MOQ120976711121e0a3536c21cc06ff8fd3e9ce09cc2a-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:49:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6893BF18; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <708852.1385.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:49:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <5CxRVD.A.n7E.Jq5GIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here's an incredible one that I'm lusting after but I can't think about it! http://om28.com/sreso/morss.html It's handmade and very cheap considering. I have a friend who has a tricone made by Morton and it howls! Speaking of Keb Mo, you might consider a Dobro. Old ones can be had relatively cheap. Also, I hadn't seen the other posts on Schatten and Highander when I responded. Sorry to repeat old info! I guess I'd say either do your due diligence or just jump and try a few. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 1:23 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Dave, > I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have > cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any > recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? > cheers > Luis > > > --- Dave Gallaher wrote: > >> New list member here, and first post---been looping >> live a couple nights a >> week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP >> since 2003. I play solo >> blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of >> the week with a blues >> trio, no looping. >> >> >> >> I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a >> Highlander pickup in it. >> www.highlanderpickups.com >> It comes >> with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my >> opinion, as the pickup >> is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural >> sound. >> >> >> >> Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top >> resophonic players. I >> appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a >> humbucker-type on top with >> a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified >> steel National I've ever >> heard. >> >> \ >> >> >> >> Dave Gallaher >> >> >> >> Microwave Dave & The Nukes >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: ditch wrestler >> [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro >> guitar >> >> >> >> >> I'll offer up Schatten Design - >> http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a >> good guy and done some work on my geetars. >> >> He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed >> instrument (harp to >> ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) >> p/u's are here: >> http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his >> tri-cone p/u's are here: >> http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm >> >> >> Ted. >> >> >> >> "L.A. Angulo" wrote: >> >> talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his >> national guitar,but are there pickups outhere >> specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few >> of >> them but the ones that come with humbuckers take >> away >> the character of their sound. >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____ >> ________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> >> >> >> >> "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a >> beginning, middle, and >> an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean >> Luc Goddard >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with >> Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> > _ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H >> DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > --Apple-Mail-2--466852341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Here's an incredible one that I'm lusting after but I can't think about it! http://om28.com/sreso/morss.html It's handmade and very cheap considering. I have a friend who has a tricone made by Morton and it howls! Speaking of Keb Mo, you might consider a Dobro. Old ones can be had relatively cheap. Also, I hadn't seen the other posts on Schatten and Highander when I responded. Sorry to repeat old info! I guess I'd say either do your due diligence or just jump and try a few. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 1:23 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: Hey Dave, I have no idea about resophnic guitars but they have cought my interest so i am in the lookout for one,any recomendations bang for the buck sort to speak? cheers Luis --- Dave Gallaher < wrote: New list member here, and first post---been looping live a couple nights a week since the first RC-20 came out; using an EDP since 2003. I play solo blues (and some ersatz stuff), and work the rest of the week with a blues trio, no looping. I have a brass-bodied resophonic guitar that has a Highlander pickup in it. www.highlanderpickups.com < It comes with a preamp and a TRS cord. It's excellent, in my opinion, as the pickup is mounted in the biscuit and gets a very natural sound. Brozman is quoted on their page along with other top resophonic players. I appeared with Keb' Mo' last fall, and he mixed a humbucker-type on top with a Highlander inside, and had the best amplified steel National I've ever heard. \ Dave Gallaher Microwave Dave & The Nukes _____ From: ditch wrestler [mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar I'll offer up Schatten Design - http://www.schattendesign.com/. Les is a good guy and done some work on my geetars. He's got a b'zillion p/u's for any kind of stringed instrument (harp to ukulele); his resonator (i.e., dobro, national) p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/resonator.htm and his tri-cone p/u's are here: http://schattendesign.com/tricone.htm Ted. "L.A. Angulo" < wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end - but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try <DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --Apple-Mail-2--466852341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 22:51:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0786C3BF1B; Fri, 2 May 2008 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080502175139.ldseka3n4s440csw@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:51:39 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <481B9A46.9030508@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Luca, I'm not sure when the "official" roll out date is. As I mentioned =20 before, it appears to be quite an innovative leap for the guitar and I =20 look forward to hearing the impressions of you and others on the list =20 as you get become acquainted with the Moog Guitar. -- Kevin Quoting Luca Formentini : > Hi Kevin, > this is probably going to be the only reason to make me consider > another guitar... > very interesting info, thank you very much for it. > > I just don't see any chance to know/see/hear something more than the > bouncing, few informations unofficially hitting the net. > Any chance to see an official move by moog ? > > my best, > luca > > www.unguitar.com > > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > >> Hello to all! >> >> I just returned from the Ethermusic Festival, sponsered by Moog =20 >> Music, in Asheville, NC. >> >> Prior to my set on Thursday night, Jason Danillo from Moog Music =20 >> expertly demo'd a new product from Moog Music that is simply =20 >> called: "The Moog Guitar". >> >> I am not a guitarist myself however I was very impressed with what =20 >> I learned and heard about this product. I run the risk of =20 >> sounding like a "salesperson" however I want to share with you what =20 >> I learned and heard regarding the Moog Guitar. >> >> My first impression of this instrument is that it was an electric =20 >> guitar with built in (software driven) fx in the body of the =20 >> guitar. And I would add, super CLEAN fx. And the infinite =20 >> sustain, for example, was INFINITE with no noise, glitches, etc. =20 >> However, my guess about the theory of operation was mistaken. >> >> The guitar utilizes built-in ebows -- I'm not sure how many are =20 >> built into the guitar however there is a least one per string. As =20 >> many readers here know, the ebow imparts energy to a string to =20 >> set it into vibration and keep it vibrating forever. The =20 >> engineers at Moog took things to another level -- for ebow =20 >> technology can do the opposite: it can be used to remove energy =20 >> from a string, too. >> >> Each string is independently settable -- some can sustain, others =20 >> can sound in the normal (unsustained manner), others can produce a =20 >> staccatto pluck -- in fact, on of the sounds is a strum followed =20 >> by a bow. This is all user-settable. Jason strummed a chord and =20 >> as the chord died down a "bowed string chorus" came up -- as if an =20 >> entire string section was doubling Jason's guitar part. >> >> My first thought was: Ohhh... my looping friends would LOVE this. =20 >> And the tone was really clean. During Jason's demo, he mentioned =20 >> that some people can't believe that this is all being done on the =20 >> strings until he unplugs the guitar and folks listen to the =20 >> strings themselves. >> >> I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among the =20 >> looping community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 >> many guitarists and loopers). >> >> While ebows have been around for awhile, this new product takes =20 >> things to another level. >> >> Best wishes to Moog Music. May the new Moog Guitar inspire many =20 >> musicians and be another success story for Moog Music. >> >> All the best to one and all. >> >> -- Kevin >> >> >> __________ Informazione NOD32 3069 (20080501) __________ >> >> Questo messaggio =E8 stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >> http://www.nod32.it >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri May 2 23:02:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D803BF1C; Fri, 2 May 2008 23:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1371 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 02 May 2008 23:02:35 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Message-Id: <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:39:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Luis I use a Schatten pickup in my little resonator guitar. It's great! It's cheap! I use the Ultrasound little pre amp with it (also cheap).... although it sounds fine without it. Whatever you use in a National, don't use anything that has a battery inside the guitar! It's a REAL bear to change batteries and there's the risk of losing intonation etc. www.schattendesigns.com Actually, I think I'd get the pre amp with it. It could sound tinny without it. Email rodrose@schattendesigns.com and tell him I sent ya. (Rod Rose). He's a wonderful person. K&K makes a good one too I hear. www.kksound.com I felt the K&K was possibly too intrusive for my Phillips resonator - required more drilling etc. It's an expensive guitar with a custom resonator (pie pan) in it and I didn't wanna risk having to have another one made. Highlander makes the one that National puts in their guitars at the factory. (I assume they still do. Haven't checked in a while). It seemed to me like it might dampen the sound as the pickup I think lays on the resonator. If you do put a pickup in, you might get a luthier who's done it before to do the work. Putting the jack in the guitar requires some reinforcement (inside where the jack mounts) or the metal might pucker after plugging and unplugging for a few years. If you have a vintage National I wouldn't put anything in it. I have a 34 National duolian and don't wanna change anything on it. Gigantic sound. You can see a photo of the Phillips guitar here: http://richardsales.com/ron_phillips_guitar.html They are really amazing and incredible musical instruments. Happy motoring richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 1-May-08, at 12:24 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his > national guitar,but are there pickups outhere > specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of > them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away > the character of their sound. > cheers > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > --Apple-Mail-1--467452481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Luis I use a Schatten pickup in my little resonator guitar. It's great! It's cheap! I use the Ultrasound little pre amp with it (also cheap).... although it sounds fine without it. Whatever you use in a National, don't use anything that has a battery inside the guitar! It's a REAL bear to change batteries and there's the risk of losing intonation etc. www.schattendesigns.com Actually, I think I'd get the pre amp with it. It could sound tinny without it. Email rodrose@schattendesigns.com and tell him I sent ya. (Rod Rose). He's a wonderful person. K&K makes a good one too I hear. www.kksound.com I felt the K&K was possibly too intrusive for my Phillips resonator - required more drilling etc. It's an expensive guitar with a custom resonator (pie pan) in it and I didn't wanna risk having to have another one made. Highlander makes the one that National puts in their guitars at the factory. (I assume they still do. Haven't checked in a while). It seemed to me like it might dampen the sound as the pickup I think lays on the resonator. If you do put a pickup in, you might get a luthier who's done it before to do the work. Putting the jack in the guitar requires some reinforcement (inside where the jack mounts) or the metal might pucker after plugging and unplugging for a few years. If you have a vintage National I wouldn't put anything in it. I have a 34 National duolian and don't wanna change anything on it. Gigantic sound. You can see a photo of the Phillips guitar here: http://richardsales.com/ron_phillips_guitar.html They are really amazing and incredible musical instruments. Happy motoring Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 1-May-08, at 12:24 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: talking about Brozman,he seems to just mic his national guitar,but are there pickups outhere specially designed for this guitars?ive tried a few of them but the ones that come with humbuckers take away the character of their sound. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --Apple-Mail-1--467452481-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 01:26:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95513BF25; Sat, 3 May 2008 01:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:26:06 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:26:12 +0000 (UTC) At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >> > >> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>the looping >> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>many guitarists > > > and loopers). > >http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html WTF?!? Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That point is always debatable. But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead written by the person that stole the post. Now maybe there was a back-end conversation had between Kevin and the Matrixsynth blogger. But if there were no permission explicitly given, this appears to be horrible net manners! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 01:29:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A443BF24; Sat, 3 May 2008 01:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20080501144546.8m9ycsdhzscsk04c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <66f9cc1e0805011329h6f903fd1jbf8cba35dace03e9@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0805021323g6c5cfca3jb28875f84e605c60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:29:49 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Oh, sorry. The Subject should have been marked as OT. :P At 10:26 AM +0900 5/3/08, Mech wrote: >At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>>the looping >>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>>many guitarists >> > > and loopers). >> >>http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html > >WTF?!? > >Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? > >First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an >email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That >point is always debatable. > >But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has >completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information >off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for >his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead >written by the person that stole the post. > >Now maybe there was a back-end conversation had between Kevin and >the Matrixsynth blogger. But if there were no permission explicitly >given, this appears to be horrible net manners! > > --m. >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 04:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD92A3BF1C; Sat, 3 May 2008 04:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ftvuy5RgHebFjO48QVMEsKdQXfywuUsfARRKpA9WagM=; b=esDfpcVCH1Qvj7m8plZhj1F/w5BNVQMMC725/E6w85ywGSQXWwVtBm1j1WuOB1w+LG1TO5r13YKPCf3CbggBu7/IsYprM2ux99sNVqSst4eHgaUn4WY+33zJqEVjm0atkwlQiNcngHGtFNNhvCWc4N0dN8rfM+vf8GB8Ifm6bAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ehxbPvh0TzAt22V5geHIz7fye98ZRygzqm+hgAVRw6kfWY5QPqzoJA9Ec9CKrowO4B4jxfQvqRSnX/nuuJYj14AqSoBqzqG9yGL9rfEIDHFrzHx/N6mZ5u6cl/cnbqibPEjAGDAjdz9bc9tN1Bd8B0t8rN9/wOf0NKiSKFf/caQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:46:32 -0400 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar In-Reply-To: <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046" References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 04:46:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar.

One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky!

Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it?


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Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_9696_18891146.1209789992046-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 07:15:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900553BF20; Sat, 3 May 2008 07:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:15:42 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: WTB: Roland MC-09/other cheapass 303 clones/Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <481C111E.7010401@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Resent-Message-ID: <_JuPbD.A.ScD.nEBHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:15:51 +0000 (UTC) i keep missing auctions. got no time to fish. got clams. need fish. got fish? want clams? send fish. no sham. just clams. want fish. send time. need got no. i wish. keep missing. fish. doc oc shun no on the dock of the 'bay...miskeep time... hey. did that come thru alright? i need a shower. shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 10:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A04953BF14; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OJ2jSWb/ztIsVIxvdz8Tny91+Cig/7XbXmQiMtNmaRIIm4f1wUEXE+ksPdak8Yi0hsRMinqqdTn2e+KUSVVMefUoGofjXIw/GKfLsolBz4nP4Q0HBN3lx2p+91JVoPKzkpmB9bAfxZ6osR2+aXRlY6pTzFReDp+05nKRjHoPOmI=; X-YMail-OSG: Sg3z_9IVM1l4xUKs2.94iCCrNHLyiNJQOGKSMLm8FXLnbHHVRfLnNTtbYhIN7ImFJNx5YzrcKChD7UAd_cPGP4SQTBpypGaFeuVm4u7NWq6B6eHz4R9vlf7AHxI- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 03:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: e t e r o g e n e o , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <026c01c8ac5a$4041d730$4001a8c0@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <316434.41443.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Ciao fabio! I still dont have any recordings with it but i am planing on doing so soon.I wanted to take it to the cologne fgestival but it looks like i am going to have to go with the train and really reduce my gear;-(( by the way is anybody driving through southern germany(konstanz) going up to cologne and need company? If i could drive with somebody would be great!! cheers Luis --- e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Hi Luis, > do you play the cajon ? I really love it. > Do you have any recording where you play/looping it > to let me listen to ? > See you in Cologne ! > > Fabio > www.eterogeneo.com > www.myspace.com/eterogeneo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much > easier! > > > > Hey buddy, > > so what were you looping before? i understand, ive > > been playing lately just with acoustic my voice > and > > cajon and love it but there is always the bleeding > > problem...i am also thinking about getting the > > handsonic for the very same reason,but somehow > people > > seem to get more turned on when you loop the real > > thing > > specially your voice! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > >> Hi folks > >> > >> I recently bought myself an E-Guitar and - for > the > >> first time ever - hooked up a guitar with my > RC-50 > >> looper and Zoom G2.1u > >> > >> I must say: Life is soo much easier when you use > a > >> guitar !!! > >> Looping is so simple: No bleeding on the loops, > tons > >> of possibilies how to play... > >> Even the effect pedal is already optimized for > >> guitar: just pick whatever you want to sound > like: > >> Green Day, Santana, Beatles... All at your finger > >> tips. > >> Building loops is so easy due to the diversity of > a > >> guitar: you can strike chords, play single notes, > >> tap, scratch, percussive strums, finger pick. You > >> can play open strings, flageolet, the whole neck > on > >> a range of 4 octaves... > >> Talking about octaves: octave pedal gives you a > nice > >> bass line, just "out of the box" It's soo much > more > >> work to tweak the fx and train vocal skills to > get > >> a decent vocal bass line... > >> ... to overdub harmonies with vocals or other > >> instruments... ... switch patches on your > keyboard > >> so you can distiguish the sounds on the looper > ... > >> try avoiding bleeding on percussion looops... > >> > >> Maybe this all sounds a bit naive to you guys. > I've > >> pretty much focused on looping with a MIC so > far. > >> And I just figured how easy looping can be - when > >> you use a guitar. > >> > >> So I'll take the risk of loosing some originality > if > >> I can make life so much easier looping with a > guitar > >> - what the heck. > >> > >> I know some of you will object to certain details > >> (i.e. "it takes more to sound like Santana..." > etc) > >> and I know there are enough loopers out there > facing > >> many technical & practical challenges. > >> Just wanted share my first-time impressions with > >> guitar looping. I'm stunned. > >> > >> Buzap > >> > >> > >> -- > >> GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute > mit > >> Deinen Interessen! > >> Jetzt dabei sein: > >> http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1410 - > Release Date: > > 01/05/2008 17.30 > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 10:23:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5648E3BF13; Sat, 3 May 2008 10:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eyFW4S7YnfWqcIseJ3O5qidJ4WtnCwe4D4+EMeukPnlB6aT8tA+clZ5m23lc0zSq9ihn3fOrTAB3sjUSwMXI+A2YDnrpsgzX1JnkWhFs0tk1aZLSYNHbLppW7HbKd760gJjUjrD6Zjif4+RJ97NDHqPpmU35kXqql1pZE3tuiuo=; X-YMail-OSG: WrbuaNEVM1lh2XvHSR2bPVHo4MtRzMrO4riMrnHi2PeUAHGSD2pn_rxOrIAG8bP0XjJ7SMSJ3KmX_MleOClgludkvW.kJ405SOJGgWIvEY5Qn0E9vx_P3uKewTk- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <189450.98244.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-ZwQvD.A.lxG.t0DHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:23:41 +0000 (UTC) what about any good dobros with good pickups already installed that can recomend?most of them come with no electronics, please send links if you can! cheers Luis --- Zak Kramer wrote: > I've got a couple of resos, and only recently > started amplifying them. > However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- > more John Campbell than > Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, > which attaches with > adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be > tucked through the strap > or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as > well as add tone & volume > knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. > > One really nice thing about the reso is that it's > loud enough to compete > with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding > (really!) Lovepedal 2w > plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between > the two and be completely > mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I > can have the amp only play > the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've > got two very different, > but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a > Boomerang with the guitar & > amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! > > Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar > -- I'm considering what > organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have > you played it? > > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:36:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E003BF1E; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LzgoxUvS2R5su5UcNvMBsSlqRjxkgomcfjMzOaRR4ILDWZ9b68Mn8e4deQSSiuZd6onVW8TuWD8Czx7QrYgb8yNEgXztmUmHfirbkib0MxOV53D41smAuF5Lc311mfaMwSYUSCQG7gctVz0azwI93LRsW4etMlbqgJUfBGzoSis=; X-YMail-OSG: IuRQO28VM1noZUh77xOsHuTtnnNWCcQaYMiR3r9xdZ23ZfFA5p5G8gZJ6.jS8fdenojEkiSCFB43oFaJoxTY4dCrl7bPhbO1nsrXReJQ2iwMEsOMtMY99k5kZ9M- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 04:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481B1C76.30402@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Andy you rock man thanx!!! got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about cheers Luis --- andy butler wrote: > check out the EDP function > > RecordMode=SAF > > which resets FB to 100% when you record a loop. > ( I use that all the time, good for saving > emabarrasment, > ...and the footpedal response is delayed so that if > you left it in he wrong > place you can quickly toe-down it without leaving a > gap in the loop) > > > OR > > send the CC to set feedback=100% from fcb > > FeedbackCont param is the CC number for feedback > (defaults to 1) > > andy butler > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > could it be that you are in delay mode?(just a > > thought) > > also while we are on the subject,sometimes when i > loop > > and end the piece with a feedbback fade out, i > follow > > by pressing erase all loops and reseating the > feedback > > to 127 with the fcb1010 exp pedal,but when i start > a > > new one sometimes the feedback continues to > fade.How > > can i program the "erase all loops" function on > the > > fcb1010 so that it also sends a message to set the > > feedback knob all the way to the right position? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Steve Sandberg > > wrote: > > > >> All of a sudden, my trusty edp refuses to respond > to > >> the feedback control - > >> i have maximum feedback always - > >> anyone ever have a similar problem? Any ideas > for > >> how to fix it? thanks - > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 11:43:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E50F3BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:43:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:43:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm = particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to = mind). Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Suler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: effects processors For simplicity and inexpensiveness, try the EH Micro POG. For = complexity and expensiveness, try the EH HOG. The HOG's tracking is = pretty amazing for a device without a pickup. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:05 AM, doc rossi = wrote: I'm looking for a octaver with a clean sound that woud work with = acoustic instruments, mics. Any suggestions? On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Toby G wrote: You just can't beat a whammy pedal. It's what keeps today's man = happy. t ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Kellogg To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Guitar Pickup Any opinions on effects processors? I'd like to be able to get = a variety of tones and strange whatnots before the signal hits my RC-50. On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: Baggs M1A, THE best. On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sam Nilsson wrote: Scott Kellogg wrote: Sorry if this has been discussed ad nauseum, but what's = the guitar pickup all the cool kids are using these days? I have a = Seagull cedar acoustic that plays really nicely and has a = pleasant-but-average tone. I'm interested in processing the signal = before it gets to my looper, and would like to be able to pick up taps = and other percussive slaps on the body of the instrument. While we're on the topic, what you think of the new crop = of 'acoustic guitar' processors that are on the market (e.g. the Fishman = stuff, Korg, Boss, etc.)? My original plan was to loop with my electric = basses, but my singer-songwriter groove is coming back, and maybe the = guitar will be in my path as well as a bass. Then again, an acoustic = guitar with an octaver makes good basslines. K&K Sound's Pure system has gotten positive reviews from = people that I have met. When I tried it, I thought it had a nice fairly = natural sound. *Much* nicer than a piezo. http://www.kksound.com/acousticguitar.html#pure - Sam -- Solve et coagula. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,
 
Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other = than=20 guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have=20 no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to=20 mind).
 
Ian.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick=20 Suler
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 = 5:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: effects = processors

For simplicity and inexpensiveness, try the EH Micro = POG. For=20 complexity and expensiveness, try the EH HOG. The HOG's tracking is = pretty=20 amazing for a device without a pickup.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:05 AM, doc rossi = <docittern@gmail.com> = wrote:
I'm looking for a octaver with a clean sound that woud work = with=20 acoustic instruments, mics.  Any suggestions?

On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:18 AM, Toby G wrote:

You just can't beat a whammy = pedal. =20 It's what keeps today's man happy.
 
 
t
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kellogg
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:06 = PM
Subject: Re: Guitar Pickup

Any opinions on effects processors?  I'd like to be = able to=20 get a variety of tones and strange whatnots before the signal = hits my=20 RC-50.

On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:

Baggs M1A, THE best.
On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sam = Nilsson=20 wrote:

Scott Kellogg = wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed = ad=20 nauseum, but what's the guitar pickup all the cool kids = are using=20 these days?  I have a Seagull cedar acoustic that = plays=20 really nicely and has a pleasant-but-average tone. =  I'm=20 interested in processing the signal before it gets to my = looper,=20 and would like to be able to pick up taps and other = percussive=20 slaps on the body of the = instrument.
While we're on the topic, what you = think=20 of the new crop of 'acoustic guitar' processors that are = on the=20 market (e.g. the Fishman stuff, Korg, Boss, etc.)? =  My=20 original plan was to loop with my electric basses, but my=20 singer-songwriter groove is coming back, and maybe the = guitar will=20 be in my path as well as a bass.  Then again, an = acoustic=20 guitar with an octaver makes good=20 basslines.

K&K Sound's Pure system has = gotten=20 positive reviews from people that I have met. When I tried = it, I=20 thought it had a nice fairly natural sound. *Much* nicer = than a=20 piezo.

http://www.kksound.com/acousticguitar.html#pure

- Sam



--
Solve et coagula.
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C8AD1B.4F331850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:06:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA25E3BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 6465689/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0BAI7xG0hPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqyCCQg Message-ID: <481C5536.2060904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:06:14 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> In-Reply-To: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:06:11 +0000 (UTC) I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, but this might still be useful. Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on the low octave. (pitching upwards has a slight delay) Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be pleasant, but not the natural sound of the instrument. The upwards pitching is significantly flat. (as can be heard on the EH demos ) >From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd expect a similar sort of result with flute to that with guitar (except that with the higher pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital artefacts and flatness will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce your doubts about buying without trying. andy Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm > particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for > harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer > so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to > mind). > > Ian. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19FAA3BF2A; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 9522076/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0BAELyG0hPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqyKCQg Message-ID: <481C5598.9000002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:07:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp References: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <183640.9020.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Kzty.A.ap.TWFHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Rocks :-) ...It was his idea, and I didn't even think I'd use it at first. L.A. Angulo wrote: > Andy you rock man thanx!!! > got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about > cheers > Luis > > > --- andy butler wrote: > >> check out the EDP function >> >> RecordMode=SAF >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 12:09:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57FB3BF2B; Sat, 3 May 2008 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006d01c8ad16$aa628c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> <481C5536.2060904@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:10:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try it/them. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7EBD3BF12; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C766E.6000306@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:27:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list References: <003201c8a59b$fbbcd6b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <003201c8a59b$fbbcd6b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > Oddly enough, the intent is not a popularity list, just a hook the > journalists list so they can start A journalist who doesn't know of David Torn, but knows Eddie Vedder (which I have never heard of btw...) should be told an allegory: If you would want to write about electric guitarists, and have never heard about Jimi Hendrix, and need some explanation, the likeliness, that the kids of your average reader know more about the issue than you, is too obvious. Better let someone else write about it, to prevent him from getting into an embarrassing situation... Give them the list, but advice them to let Per write the article... ;-) Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you should list famous pianists, any list would be more of a personal reference, and would be far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete list would be unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano is an established instrument. We are heading into the state of looping being an established instrument, because a complete list is as likely to be too big, as incomplete... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:33:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E243BF1E; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C77CE.5000003@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:33:50 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list References: <918212.57991.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9BDCDA11-347C-4E22-9FDC-5E1263F77F73@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9BDCDA11-347C-4E22-9FDC-5E1263F77F73@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Teddy Kumpel schrieb: > And.... unlike Igor Stravinski, I am cursed with a good memory... so i > dare not listen to any other loopers as I will certainly start to > imitate them. So I am lucky, as I don't play guitar, I just can't imitate guitarists, and as I have my own looping software, I can't imitate stomp box loopers either. That means a lot of opportunities to listen to music without danger... ;-) Music making is about listening, and even Joe had to listen to the musicians he was playing with, and for a musician of his calibre, that was obviously more than sufficient... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDB6D3BF25; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481C797A.9060707@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:40:58 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [cycling74-announcements] Product and Workshop News References: <024001c8a65e$f9e9e0d0$7f09e00a@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004f01c8a667$1b9326d0$52b97470$@com> In-Reply-To: <004f01c8a667$1b9326d0$52b97470$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6HNxlD.A.mjE.7lHHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda schrieb: > Hey Kris > the product looks good! How long do you expect it will take for you to > migrate to it? BTW, Has anyone on the list used Jitter? I own jitter for a long time, but the only patch I made was a patch to turn the angle of a flute, watched by a camera, into controller data. Was fun to create and easier achieved than I thought. But beside that I have not too much experience. Migration to Max 5 isn't a too big deal, it looks different, its much more convenient to patch. But most patches will just run in Max 5. Only drawback is the vst integration, as it doesn't play old pluggos, and a new Max 5 compatible pluggo isn't there yet... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 14:50:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A3C73BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 14:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o8tYhk7xn2g+3Wk1C2RY7S22U+81gljrPa/XZciYmqoMY7QaIHR+7G+i/ohWyPZMd0pg9Y3bqf5CKB2g9m0hoqyiTqnmQOSajqVj+1iMDX5yu4OkHfs1VUxR+0evchNwTCb1jwvd5eq4cmQ+0NNaN0qLqRGHdGoERSZRJc+jgsU=; X-YMail-OSG: W2nqoXAVM1nP4bwSmxlILq.fIcDHEeC4RuFWehfEwJy5sbyS1coFlnRDbJ6xqAik7eYt0r28uXNm41S5.LNRGYAAns8K36Uj.qT3CKoxUdH5tyEJeL.lGQXucaU- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:50:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: feedback problem on edp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C5598.9000002@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <940572.17904.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1sH3sC.A.6KF.6uHHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:50:35 +0000 (UTC) well he rocks for inventing it and u rock for telling me and you both rock better than Elvis! Luis --- andy butler wrote: > Matthias Rocks :-) > ...It was his idea, and I didn't even think I'd use > it at first. > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Andy you rock man thanx!!! > > got a gig tonight one less thing to worry about > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > --- andy butler wrote: > > > >> check out the EDP function > >> > >> RecordMode=SAF > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E16E3BF28; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2cXfGy38qS8npsbZclTcezWSgDIyshI3J71L7F0WCLs=; b=tCTi/4NfS6uUIfCjqSnrJGDbijdx+/Ygg8GE0O8X0bPkYkjQ3pmw+1MnFLmubwYqwunbwSrz5xSE1yKaOpnZ3qpgbdM8jTyPq6VM2mkJTdLvGLFKvBTNaCK9y09I5DmVQM2kKwv8dLgMQluloYVO7Q3mPbKsHnBjzSd3Gy5WLAM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PkrlQJUQsRCbwIz+UOYCoj0xRvAAjxSvjCwxzkpR7dXKKEJh5D/0VMnmrc9EZ9cShklrjdtV5tgMSRAkuGcC7dGMDexemA5XYR38Pg0VxlhUtKLlmhdlCngTTN4LMOqX/7/5FlSTwxZJRR6jl9erbo2WHdTtFgwsiv7krnmHx8M= Message-ID: <8c82d1660805030925n23b3cfearc63c0adc1ff80fbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 12:25:29 -0400 From: "Patrick Suler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors In-Reply-To: <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392" References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:25:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing flute->organ. If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks. My two cents. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm > particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for harmony/octave > effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer so have no way of > getting to try them out before buying (that comes to mind). > > Ian. > > > ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing flute->organ.

    If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks.

    My two cents.


    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
        Hi,
     
    Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to mind).
     
    Ian.
     


    ------=_Part_6573_4513729.1209831929392-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9923BF29; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c8ad3a$c3c97f50$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <4163162C-23F9-402C-A2DC-CC21E9E7ADBB@gmail.com> <4812710F.3050502@servingpeace.com> <337A1E32-0F07-4B02-9156-C74BB193BED2@gmail.com> <000801c8a74c$315de7d0$180b3c4a@NORBY11> <8c82d1660804260952h6d8bb510u54fb976e9588c351@mail.gmail.com> <006501c8ad12$ed81c320$6c052052@customer3530f5> <8c82d1660805030925n23b3cfearc63c0adc1ff80fbd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:28:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Patrick=20 Thanks. Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Suler=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its multiplicity of = sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology = down. However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an = organ. Guitar ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing = flute->organ. If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're probably a bit better = off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians Friend, and if = you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks. My two cents. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian Popperwell = wrote: Hi, Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments other than guitars - = I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout for = harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local dealer = so have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to = mind). Ian. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Patrick
     
    Thanks.
     
    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Patrick=20 Suler
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 = 5:25=20 PM
    Subject: Re: EH Hog/Pog/Micro = Pog - was=20 effects processors

    Yes, I tried a HOG with a synthesizer (and its = multiplicity of=20 sounds). It tracks incredibly well. EH essentially has the technology = down.=20 However, anything you put into it, comes out sounding like an organ. = Guitar=20 ->organ, piano ->organ, voice->organ, so I'm guessing=20 flute->organ.

    If you're looking for an octave DOWN, you're = probably=20 a bit better off. So I would suggest buying a MicroPog from Musicians = Friend,=20 and if you don't dig it, you can return it in two weeks.

    My two = cents.


    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Ian = Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> = wrote:
        Hi,
     
    Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments = other than=20 guitars - I'm particularly thinking of flute - always on the lookout = for=20 harmony/octave effects that track well and sound good. No local = dealer so=20 have no way of getting to try them out before buying (that comes to=20 mind).
     
    Ian.
     


    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C8AD43.2573A890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:41:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0A33BF30; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tGqw3L5qBGo+tAvFe3awS1DUT4/vkN5g3N61KJQdsOXslCaJxmEvwW0zrKyupaIDnC5Q4IFWV8wH56wFIxD2K7S1EuplG4kr/UHjdINcHSDFb+VIkUL7SPqS7P9V3LknYd+QjipSk4NUapR/cM6BOgy7VS3/geKsMnf+j/Jvq2M=; X-YMail-OSG: Dui8QDEVM1m.juISPqi8pq_MAePxY6NDXbFQ09j22Pajas2a1IUuGHxWPgA1F0.99yWRFL2PoJw_tm08NqgFlV6ZaXl8NfudjRt_1.OIf_NAw10IjCCSnx51BGg- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:41:40 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Graham Subject: Re: [cycling74-announcements] Product and Workshop News To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C797A.9060707@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <854300.3383.qm@web86101.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:41:44 +0000 (UTC) I'm using Jitter to capture my motions when I perform to manipulate audio in (pitch mainly), it also creates a nice visual using the absolute difference of the visuals being grabbed. I've started using this live, and it's a lot of fun. I have a video up on my blog. http://rickygraham.blogspot.com Cheers, Ricky --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Qua Veda schrieb: > > Hey Kris > > the product looks good! How long do you expect > it will take for you to > > migrate to it? BTW, Has anyone on the list > used Jitter? > > I own jitter for a long time, but the only patch I > made was a patch to > turn the angle of a flute, watched by a camera, into > controller data. > Was fun to create and easier achieved than I > thought. But beside that I > have not too much experience. > > Migration to Max 5 isn't a too big deal, it looks > different, its much > more convenient to patch. But most patches will just > run in Max 5. > > Only drawback is the vst integration, as it doesn't > play old pluggos, > and a new Max 5 compatible pluggo isn't there yet... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 16:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6FE33BF1C; Sat, 3 May 2008 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <721976.14572.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <38cd0809e11adb765bdb429b94c21529@glasswing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:58:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:58:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Zak No I haven't played it. Schoenberg's shop will let you return stuff if you don't like it if you return it soon enough and in good condition. It's in Tiburon California - if you're anywhere near there. That's in the Bay Area. If I hadn't bought so much stuff this year I'd buy it and find out. Morton's reputation is very very good. And while I haven't heard stainless, it's a fascinating idea. You MIGHT consider the electric reso's that that fellow Stewart makes. It's yet another Object of Uncontrollable Lust for me. One thing about reso guitars is they are feedback machines. I've never used mine in the band setting - only solo and for late night magic carpet rides. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 9:46 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: > I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. > However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell > than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which > attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked > through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as > well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, > guitar. > > One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to > compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) > Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two > and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I > can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, > so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work > with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a > Lo Fi Loop Junky! > > Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering > what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? > > > -- > Zak Kramer > Crazyquilt Arts & Music > http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ --Apple-Mail-2--401505487 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Zak No I haven't played it. Schoenberg's shop will let you return stuff if you don't like it if you return it soon enough and in good condition. It's in Tiburon California - if you're anywhere near there. That's in the Bay Area. If I hadn't bought so much stuff this year I'd buy it and find out. Morton's reputation is very very good. And while I haven't heard stainless, it's a fascinating idea. You MIGHT consider the electric reso's that that fellow Stewart makes. It's yet another Object of Uncontrollable Lust for me. One thing about reso guitars is they are feedback machines. I've never used mine in the band setting - only solo and for late night magic carpet rides. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com www.broombusters.org On 2-May-08, at 9:46 PM, Zak Kramer wrote: I've got a couple of resos, and only recently started amplifying them. However, I'm chasing a much more electric sound -- more John Campbell than Keb Mo. I got a Lace Sensor from Stewart Macdonald, which attaches with adhesive. It's hard wired to a jack, which can be tucked through the strap or mounted in the endpin. I am going to do so, as well as add tone & volume knobs -- obviously, a wood, not metal, guitar. One really nice thing about the reso is that it's loud enough to compete with a very small amp. I've got a fantastic sounding (really!) Lovepedal 2w plexi that runs on a 9v. I can slap a DL4 between the two and be completely mobile -- and by setting the mix appropriately, I can have the amp only play the recorded loops, and no direct signal, so I've got two very different, but complementary, timbres to work with. I use a Boomerang with the guitar & amp a lot, as well. I want a Lo Fi Loop Junky! Incidentally, Richard, that stainless steel guitar -- I'm considering what organs I can live without. That's incredible. Have you played it? -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ --Apple-Mail-2--401505487-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 17:08:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1911F3BF37; Sat, 3 May 2008 17:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 350 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 03 May 2008 17:08:16 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407950.40140.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=25pnqhi2YD7VynXNBNql5sXFcLHgYmHJ+7RrZqI0iFG2ZwJJOb9RHRx/depbYT0pxnYdiXix3Z7s9BdXwowz+ubazT9jlI8v2mMe5t7jl1E+XKBb5MnR6txqTNJQ+NKvhGC8ofV6oBuEQrlZWXTBq1fqoQuCRYVZyU9K4w8zMt4=; X-YMail-OSG: 3Hi04A0VM1l4c_mq_ePzwiphuv4ioBuL0TzMHxIJxgxcJLXAl5BRBzMPR6sj_nkuIOgLjcj.UrWV_RG96UWSnltg0U5uJ28iRUOPq68tRLwlEUclYODjMTJkhUM- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481C766E.6000306@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:08:17 +0000 (UTC) That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout this whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not read all the posts and thought someone had probably already mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost every pedalboard you see out there has at least something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. Now whether or not all those pedals are being used for what we would consider live looping is another question, but it does raise the problem of determining who gets to be on such a list based on such a 'gray area' set of criteria. The list might consist of: 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style who've been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) or 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. or 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established their entire careers using looping as an integral element of their musical style. Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between these categories... We might also have to define 'well known': take someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly expanded the techniques of live looping and regularly pushes the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside of a comparatively small group of like-minded musicians. I would think someone like that would be more worthy of comment within our specialized community than would Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay or doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, but is clearly much more highly visible to the general public. -t- --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you > should list famous > pianists, any list would be more of a personal > reference, and would be > far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete > list would be > unbearable. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 18:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30283BF35; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=a0he/ucnGtXqe1pI3xkywyKGRoGtyQv6E1aJZGFWJmbokwkRE1N9igEhmnn8+swXTI7dxzmY9+IWUqRlPXXdl0t0nR1NqNjfwdHv0/tMR8phupxJAW7Jx3Iqbm3u1i8AJ/G8MGJ4lf0P72VtrwC8sxEv0G1DeLCVYLnJLf8ilcw= ; X-YMail-OSG: gfz3dygVM1nsb5R47mxfHlQ0J1QQKwuXS8D2P7JRLUOL0lALKisqaXqt_vldbVp.zToRIjbGueTr7lUP26R5U5F8Coti4Q_nMBSfDsGzVdVgAMRl_eeIBA_9u0u3GBjn88N5rj7ova2llJFsVSeBBN1r X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:31:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <0GOvVC.A.sjC.69KHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout this > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not read > all the posts and thought someone had probably already > mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being used for > what we would consider live looping is another > question, but it does raise the problem of determining > who gets to be on such a list based on such a 'gray > area' set of criteria. > > The list might consist of: > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style who've > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > or > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some > degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. > > or > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established their > entire careers using looping as an integral element of > their musical style. > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between these > categories... > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly expanded > the techniques of live looping and regularly pushes > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside of a > comparatively small group of like-minded musicians. I > would think someone like that would be more worthy of > comment within our specialized community than would > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay or > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, but > is clearly much more highly visible to the general > public. > > -t- > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine you >> should list famous >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal >> reference, and would be >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a complete >> list would be >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano is >> an established >> instrument. >> We are heading into the state of looping being an >> established >> instrument, because a complete list is as likely to >> be too big, as >> incomplete... > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 18:36:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E0D3BF41; Sat, 3 May 2008 18:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ogwc4tfKBwcBUaYiciLLzM89dsbC00I8DfqCgwsld0E=; b=LtuojRJo5W4h+melJp4MS7dVpXHNVBtpavt8XM+9wHDeZ9ZHWEROBKVRaFuWf/jck62vkJ45pleRyrVP8xntGslzrkvaqfyTrThwH572arm2+nz/OeN2eye1UWwZCQnV5r9n+gvUExLpmWyNrlnp1FP2kVfRqHKsQUJyPoVyKi4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q28TEJuQs0FPd4fmRBOFSEU6IUW5DJowz37EgssVQBKIqTm2XfTdJU4MSom0OkWGVkb6NBrn5Wia3NS4pGFsCQrn9MQpS2cjb9gnTy8FVMdcTZh42eBVIr4C3EeowBHiCeuJWeXIUJMzR1bOHqDdgFp+q67npyIXzq5wWRnNlMI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:36:57 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138" References: <309881.57539.qm@web45112.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3ipkQB.A.NFD.KDLHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 18:36:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. I have two DL-4's in use in two different bands and I never loop with either of them (although I have used that hardware for looping in the past, just not in those bands). TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Matt Stevens < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > > > > > ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no.

    I have two DL-4's in use in two different bands and I never loop with either of them (although I have used that hardware for looping in the past, just not in those bands).

    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Matt Stevens <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:
    Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then?





    ------=_Part_9628_26282037.1209839817138-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74DA13BF40; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaUMjHWRkxtQLmGkwUQ== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:07:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcitTKxOVbL185TDQtOyGjVuxFtDTQAAnxyA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or a "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:37:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4953BF2A; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c8ad55$12e370e0$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:37:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+HTHsWhgE8qqdGRZo6AZ/Z+mjc+IV1Q1svnU 8IJP3V2EnwzyqKBhvmw3DIDoyzPeR6NYQmQk/jDkWCPvb/OLFk vPiaEaFueLCiiaFfQSdiTYgp/ucXid3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:37:11 +0000 (UTC) having a looper on stage makes you a looper owner. at the moment you loop music live on stage - you are a looper. this is a variaton of what a clarinet teacher once tolde me: if you don't practice, you are not a player, you are just a clarinet owner. best - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:07 PM Subject: AW: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list >>> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? >> Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. > > I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument > (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or > a > "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates > the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay > models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 19:43:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B25A3BF07; Sat, 3 May 2008 19:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cTxJMJE/pRqQqGGaUMjHWRkxtQLmGkwUQ== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:44:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: <005001c8ad55$12e370e0$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Thread-Index: AcitVRXSJkMMMSAKTmOya0kvbXbPrgAAIsqw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 19:43:53 +0000 (UTC) > this is a variaton of what a clarinet teacher once tolde me: > if you don't practice, you are not a player, you are just a > clarinet owner. I care to disagree: practising the clarinet makes you a clarinet practiser. But coming back to the original discussion, I do think I understand the point you're trying to make: only if you use a certain contraption to make loops you're a looper. The point I was trying to make is that it's very well possible to use the DL4s delay modes for looping. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:18:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9141B3BF0F; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:19:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:18:54 +0000 (UTC) The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a looper bugs me. First, is it really necessary to label people? Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people be a looper? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, is the Pope still Catholic? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:25:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EC73BF1F; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DHIvqyQdV6dcXlQO8Cv0iecT+oWjfWhRYgygYlByx/4=; b=RTl0SMhpafLto9Sdr9jmWnVs54vQjaMPZ1YfOl8veyxZ1MI8QpzdXazM1YhWxBPPZIISrGqlV4cfYC8lKuePtvRyqYQIMzVeGBMvfL2/4ZFohhRKXXV7fchqXDYGYuJGyNTJ/KzvrliIS3pYiO+9OTJ4YMSsEKO6XJv4tg7Bb4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RqIGck/bv5wKv2HWOL3tuCPRqrk3BnkTMgwAHtWEpBUQJ+CFjE/paZfrc3jD63gZezG0KKSzUzUBMpL9B65GQlPbcrgwSJ62otz1DjWA7FJai11SuGcGeokZMnK5H8mKtyEeiJ/nv7uy6+gkZRCMm+YWyiouQL6/Yb1jycKt5Hg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:25:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:25:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Somewhere around a second or so, determining the actual time isn't really the point, it's the intended application. The overwhelming majority of people who use delays in non-experimental music use them as slapback or around 350ms with six repeats set to around 30% wet mix. Look at all the presets in multieffectors that have delay for examples. Various "conventional" musicians have made use of a short delay with sample/hold as the basis for a song (Eric Johnson's "Soulful Terrain", Bloc Party's "Like Eating Glass"), but I'd hesitate to call them "live loopers". I've played slide guitar on a few songs over the years (like, three), and even if I have a slide sitting on top my amp I wouldn't call myself a "slide guitarist". Fripp's revox Frippertronics-era stuff typically used something around 4 seconds, with the feedback set fairly high but taking advantage of the saturation and filtering effects of the delay's analog tape qualities. I don't think he typically (if at all) made use of a "hold" mode with that setup (and I'm not sure if the two Revox setup really allows for that since there's no actual tape loop and the analog/mechanical feedback loop alters the signal at every repeat no matter what you do). He'd improvise eight minutes or so of ambient backing, rewind the tape reel and then solo over that. Because he was using the tape system, he ended up with a complete record of step two, but none of the soloing, and this is what made up "Let The Power Fall". With the original EH16 I believe he started to explore the technique of creating a loop, freezing it, soloing over it, adding some more, soloing some more, etc. And once the 2290's showed up, almost anything was possible. TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then? > > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no. > > I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument > (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or > a > "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates > the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay > models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?) > > ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Somewhere around a second or so, determining the actual time isn't really the point, it's the intended application.  The overwhelming majority of people who use delays in non-experimental music use them as slapback or around 350ms with six repeats set to around 30% wet mix.  Look at all the presets in multieffectors that have delay for examples.  Various "conventional" musicians have made use of a short delay with sample/hold as the basis for a song (Eric Johnson's "Soulful Terrain", Bloc Party's "Like Eating Glass"), but I'd hesitate to call them "live loopers".  I've played slide guitar on a few songs over the years (like, three), and even if I have a slide sitting on top my amp I wouldn't call myself a "slide guitarist".

    Fripp's revox Frippertronics-era stuff typically used something around 4 seconds, with the feedback set fairly high but taking advantage of the saturation and filtering effects of the delay's analog tape qualities.  I don't think he typically (if at all) made use of a "hold" mode with that setup (and I'm not sure if the two Revox setup really allows for that since there's no actual tape loop and the analog/mechanical feedback loop alters the signal at every repeat no matter what you do).  He'd improvise eight minutes or so of ambient backing, rewind the tape reel and then solo over that.  Because he was using the tape system, he ended up with a complete record of step two, but none of the soloing, and this is what made up "Let The Power Fall".

    With the original EH16 I believe he started to explore the technique of creating a loop, freezing it, soloing over it, adding some more, soloing some more, etc.  And once the 2290's showed up, almost anything was possible.

    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    >> Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" loopers then?
    > Not if they're just using it for the 15 delay models, no.

    I don't get it. Is it a "using a delay is not looping" kind of argument
    (which would, among others, consider Robert Fripp a non-proper looper), or a
    "size matters" kind of argument (if so, where is the line which separates
    the loopers from the non-loopers - I recon somewhere between the DL4 delay
    models' 2.5sec and its looper's 14sec - but where?)


    ------=_Part_9748_23229112.1209846334169-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD7EB3BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TVNU+ERwstxj+8dR3SePcc9PHYYivleQkXYpH88HA2w=; b=N13EQ8ZdUzbpobWo0zHqRslPqdRvvvWYX76lXU7Ld+NLzYRcjLRNlmlRPCothmV1MJS9m/ERz85iPNjw56x/aLT44PxrebXjNoGjwDUZOHInEbYEBl4JCaeX9DhKLQYYl9rAhOP73Igl/tSy9mjAheWapQSgGWCVoyUmzLdm5p8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K3ZlM4RzFrEsjdmOis31ojJatQCz940201qsiV097oHAqyGToxXwfOMHSYdz0WeETNI3mtNdZ7/j/R1v5fWhyJnuLl3r6+t9b5MBN6V+ZRp4QmMmW3NjzPyzrn45XLM75hhf70jxYzgmB+Ed4/RfWHb+/3RXuYVxb4EIn58jrMM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:30:22 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281" References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> Resent-Message-ID: <0EfKb.A.hxC.gtMHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:30:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa. [2] No. [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music qualifies you as a musician. TH On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do you > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't the > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people > be a looper? > ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> wrote:
    [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music?  [2] Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper?  [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people be a looper?

    ------=_Part_9756_6971633.1209846622281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 20:49:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F013BF27; Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_" X-Originating-IP: [77.98.248.142] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:47 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080501221457.209030@gmx.net> <536502.88913.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2008 20:49:48.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[39ADD0D0:01C8AD5F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey there Luis =20 which Handsonic are u thinking of going for? i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after all the =A3=A3=A3s i have= spent on electric guitar fx and such this one little thing thats not even = my main instrument would become my favourate thing to play. =20 =20 Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to compliment it but am loo= king to know more about the sounds and if they really differ> problem...i a= m also thinking about getting the> handsonic for the very same reason,but s= omehow people> seem to get more turned on when you loop the real> thing> sp= ecially your voice!> cheers> Luis>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Discover and Win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/= --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey there Luis
     
    which Handsonic are u thinking of going for?
    i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after all the =A3=A3=A3s i have= spent on electric guitar fx and such this one little thing thats not even = my main instrument would become my favourate thing to play.
     
     
    Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to compliment it but am loo= king to know more about the sounds and if they really differ

    > pr= oblem...i am also thinking about getting the
    > handsonic for the very= same reason,but somehow people
    > seem to get more turned on when you= loop the real
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    > specially your voice!
    > cheers> Luis
    >

    Messenger's gone Mobile! = Get it now! = --_a7da6318-f48c-4e5e-8cc6-3232b615993a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:10:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19AE3BF2B; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 471 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 03 May 2008 21:10:21 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cikira@fairpoint.net@pop3.fairpoint.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:01:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Cikira (Amanda)" Subject: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:10:21 +0000 (UTC) >At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote: >>> > >>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among >>>the looping >>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes >>>many guitarists >> > > and loopers). >> >>http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html > >WTF?!? > >Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? Hello all, BIG NOTE: I forwarded the full posting with Kevin's name. Matrix chose to post it as he did. If it were my blog, I would have written Kevin to ask his permission to make the re-post. Perhaps this is matrix' policy on these things. While I'm not in favor of it, I'm not surprised by anything people do on the net. I've had my own words re-posted various places, both with and without credit, so I have always regarded that as something to expect if the content gets people's attention. >First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an >email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. That >point is always debatable. Forwarding interesting news to matrixsynth's blog is routinely done by his friends around the net. What Kevin had to say was obviously of great interest to the Moog fans. >But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has >completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information >off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for >his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead >written by the person that stole the post. On the issue of crediting the source I agree with you completely, Per. So now you know that I didn't 'steal' Kevin's post. Just for background on me, I lurked in this list for several years, left for several years, and am reading digests again. I moderate the SynthSights list (there's an URL for it in my sig), where we discuss strategies for getting creative, plus anything else that piques our interest. Terrific and thought provoking topics around here! Cheers, -- Amanda SynthSights! "it's not about the gear" Come join us! Info. at: www.synthsights.net *_ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ www.cikira.com | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | ~~~~~~ www.redmoon-music.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:15:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6193BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899005.90085.bm@omp202.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wN1tgOttNPZdMrlO79yuc2ACSDP3B9n3SllTZSN5B/QgfVgIA/PhWWacJUZW/96T0kB5qAlBAheoYu3vH7DD3GOtrl1dxlUN551POo4JU0rdlGcKJLkDC0PEl8jX+O5FNyEGzf3v++Kbl8SbdeLKLFEqaogcG5BlPR0rTsxJ6Ek=; X-YMail-OSG: 2Jm2ancVM1n0l.AquzMsTQ.SX4K6xIdGzP5y5Bjew_iuqSlvrZFcJGeFSebVg_WZFVS3JLOiqUx2Lafu41AK8kmcxXVzJycAL6behyzWkqtiatzW95TTmPrhEoE- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:15:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688606.54719.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Uh, did I say that??? I thought my post was more about the futility of categorizing players based on the equipment they use (or own) than by HOW they use it. I'm not specifically picking on the DL4 (I have and use a DL4 and its big brother the EchoPro); I just used it to illustrate my point since it's so ubiquitous. Players in any of the three very different categories I gave as examples could very well use a DL4. For some of them, looping would be an integral part of their music. For others it might be a very small part of it. I remember about a decade ago we had a similar discussion about whether or not Eberhard Weber was a 'proper' looper because although he was an early EDP user, it was felt by some listmembers that he didn't really use (or CHOOSE to use) it as more than a (very nice) delay. That's not a value judgement about the quality of his music. I don't think there are very many people on this list who would say "Music is only enjoyable if it features looping." And before anyone jumps on me for implying that using long delays isn't 'proper' looping, that's not what I said either. Sheeesh. -t- --- Matt Stevens wrote: > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" > loopers then? > > > On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > That's exactly what I've been thinking throughout > this > > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've not > read > > all the posts and thought someone had probably > already > > mentioned it, but it really does seem that almost > > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being used > for > > what we would consider live looping is another > > question, but it does raise the problem of > determining > > who gets to be on such a list based on such a > 'gray > > area' set of criteria. > > > > The list might consist of: > > > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style > who've > > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > > > or > > > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate some > > degree of live looping into a variety of contexts. > > > > or > > > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established > their > > entire careers using looping as an integral > element of > > their musical style. > > > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between > these > > categories... > > > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly > expanded > > the techniques of live looping and regularly > pushes > > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside > of a > > comparatively small group of like-minded > musicians. I > > would think someone like that would be more worthy > of > > comment within our specialized community than > would > > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay > or > > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, > but > > is clearly much more highly visible to the general > > public. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> Another thought about this list of fame: Imagine > you > >> should list famous > >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal > >> reference, and would be > >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a > complete > >> list would be > >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the piano > is > >> an established > >> instrument. > >> We are heading into the state of looping being an > >> established > >> instrument, because a complete list is as likely > to > >> be too big, as > >> incomplete... > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http:// > > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:21:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C193BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 6629587/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.241.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.241.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8BAN9zHEhPSvHd/2dsb2JhbAAIqm+CQg Message-ID: <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:21:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:21:57 +0000 (UTC) and the Pope? Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > qualifies you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > wrote: > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of people be a looper? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:48:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F4A3BF3C; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3d0CVhPpnQL9l//fnst1WCAdTpf4MnhwZCZV0h97SFE=; b=Lw842vINxUt5+eV+KNK/ov/finydgS2HFpz4WcxwFwkzM243RIvAkUAxOQuAoljkViNizbW3yUm4nsE4hu0mXV6+5yLn8Gv3i3xiAkUL8m8bhOy1XDuNxMdTNUzxWteA5lOXZNkGs70wa7v6NPtE/y6ZAV2Ncm0fwXkfWP+PPGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=vcFR4zCTBRlf/riNH24JruVlkHukoTb6gAhjP+PcXaEaSrZxs1u/nWsrogeRE1iO5+ibCHvZiY917zYZrX0bOu1+AXrn2s7RyxES+of9duFv3BloIZOZJVzwIDS0CM+NGGAAFzukxIWO9djnSLzHqVdJkZGWSCj0rIoUWfZqy2s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:48:38 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235" References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:48:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a Pope bugs me. First, is it really necessary to label people?.. On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM, andy butler wrote: > and the Pope? > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > > musician, not vice versa. > > [2] No. > > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > > of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > > qualifies you as a musician. > > > > > > TH > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > bobld@amstadt.com>> wrote: > > > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > > getting in front of people be a looper? > > > > > > > ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The idea that there are certain qualifications to be labeled a Pope bugs me.  First, is it really necessary to label people?..

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 2:21 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
    and the Pope?

    Travis Hartnett wrote:
    [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com <mailto:bobld@amstadt.com>> wrote:

       [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music?  [2]
       Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper?    [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever
       getting in front of people be a looper?




    ------=_Part_9827_376853.1209851318235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 21:50:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E3B3BF2F; Sat, 3 May 2008 21:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:50:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Nn9O4Q4SEKWyuTNW4nH7HYd6n1Ef4l++4zjg uvLK1pt/KkHDF2DUKteUKTRm6hmDKYPAPYkiRdhj4GGgbIFCp7 ptZA8cJdWctEM9o/AhJPsljMZFosQVv Resent-Message-ID: <3ix6NC.A.40H.Y4NHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:50:17 +0000 (UTC) > First, is it really necessary to label people? well, yes, in a discussion about terms (being kind of a labeling process in itself) it is perfectly okay to label people. > Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in > front of people be a looper? well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in your bedroom also makes you a looper. and as long as you don't tell anybody about it, there is no danger of getting labelled, either. ;o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat May 3 23:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD0C3BF3F; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c8ad73$06c88cf0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <481CD770.6000608@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Indeed. Good question. And, is the grass always greener on the other side? ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: definition looper > and the Pope? > > Travis Hartnett wrote: >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping >> musician, not vice versa. >> [2] No. >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence >> of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music >> qualifies you as a musician. >> >> >> TH >> >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > > wrote: >> >> [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] >> Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? >> [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever >> getting in front of people be a looper? >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 00:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97203BF3C; Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:07:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 00:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I wanted to chime in here on this discussion with a couple of slalient points and a little procedural point. Firstly, this really should be an Off Topic post. Fascinating as it is, it is peripheral to the topic of looping. I've been guilty of this in the past but this is a courtesy that we promised people who are overwhelmed with this list and don't want to read Off Topic posts. Secondly, I have, indeed, performed with the nortorious Bob Brozman...............many, many times , in several coutries and on several albums of his. I know that he is deeply enamored of his Neumman 150 (K150?) condenser microphones. I believe he now travels with a pair of them. Thirdly, if here were dead (and may he live to be 105!) he would roll in the grave at the thread title. A National Steel Guitar and a Dobro, though sharing a resonator cone technology are considered to be different instruments. Bob, as strong minded as he can be (bless his uber intelligent and talented heart) HATES dobros. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 01:17:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FA403BF40; Sun, 4 May 2008 01:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:17:35 -0400 References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3n_AbB.A.YcD.06QHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:17:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list is getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a > looping musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The > presence of an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. > Playing music qualifies you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] > Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? > [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of people be a looper? > --Apple-Mail-1--371578083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My God. = We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This = list is getting ridiculous. I love it, but come = on. 
    On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

    [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be = considered a looping musician, not vice versa.
    [2] No.
    [3] As long = as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician.  The presence of an = audience qualifies you as a performing musician.  Playing music = qualifies you as a musician.


    TH

    On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> = wrote:
    [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your = music?  [2] Do you have to perform in front of other people to be a = looper?  [3]Why can't the guy who plays music in his bedroom = without ever getting in front of people be a looper?
    =


    = --Apple-Mail-1--371578083-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 02:57:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 066633BF0F; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:57:14 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Quoting "Cikira (Amanda)" : > >> At 10:23 PM +0200 5/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: >>> > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:45 PM, wrote= : >>>> > >>>> > I look forward to hearing the "buzz" about this product among =20 >>>> the looping >>>> > community as well as the theremin community (which includes =20 >>>> many guitarists >>> > > and loopers). >>> >>> http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/05/moog-guitar-review-spotted.html >> >> WTF?!? >> >> Does anybody else think this looks like really, really bad netiquette? > > > Hello all, > > BIG NOTE: I forwarded the full posting with Kevin's name. Matrix chose > to post it as he did. > > If it were my blog, I would have written Kevin to ask his permission to > make the re-post. Perhaps this is matrix' policy on these things. While > I'm not in favor of it, I'm not surprised by anything people do on the > net. I've had my own words re-posted various places, both with and > without credit, so I have always regarded that as something to expect > if the content gets people's attention. > >> First of all, there's the whole issue of snarfing posts from an =20 >> email list and randomly re-posting them all over the Internet. =20 >> That point is always debatable. > > Forwarding interesting news to matrixsynth's blog is routinely done by > his friends around the net. What Kevin had to say was obviously of > great interest to the Moog fans. > >> But what *really* steams me is that this Cikara person has =20 >> completely stripped Kevin Kissinger's name and contact information =20 >> off his own post. Not only does that deprive Kevin of credit for =20 >> his own words, but it makes it look as if those words were instead =20 >> written by the person that stole the post. > > On the issue of crediting the source I agree with you completely, Per. > So now you know that I didn't 'steal' Kevin's post. > Hi! The only problem with the post being copied is that there was an =20 inaccurate detail -- namely that the Moog Guitar does NOT use "ebow =20 technology" -- that is, "Ebow" is a tradename. The technology is able =20 to add or subract energy from a vibrating string however it is Moog's =20 own technology and not Ebow's. This was an honest mistake and I am =20 mortified that my post was not completely accurate. Quoting posts can be uh... shall was say "dangerous living". On my website, I did an intentionally over-the-top rendition of the =20 Schubert Ave Maria with equally over-the-top silly notes: http://kevinkissinger.com/schubert.shtml Well, guess what? Another website picked up the notes and posted it =20 in a SERIOUS article about Franz Schubert. Apparently someone tipped =20 them off that the notes were a joke for I can't find the site on =20 Google anymore. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 02:59:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FDA23BF0E; Sun, 4 May 2008 02:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080503215941.h2uthg4feskgsco4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:41 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) References: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: <20080503215714.batyv53plwwsos4c@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > > > Quoting posts can be uh... shall was say "dangerous living". > > On my website, I did an intentionally over-the-top rendition of the > Schubert Ave Maria with equally over-the-top silly notes: > > http://kevinkissinger.com/schubert.shtml > > Well, guess what? Another website picked up the notes and posted it in > a SERIOUS article about Franz Schubert. Apparently someone tipped them > off that the notes were a joke for I can't find the site on Google > anymore. > I found it! :D http://memaria.org/bai_da_dang/ave_maria_schubert/ They have a video of Pavarotti singing it and MY PROGRAM NOTES! HAHA! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 03:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE39B3BF12; Sun, 4 May 2008 03:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+PonzSJVnUR7HPbqOb4J51Sanmy/HUT+e3sdie4Lbrs=; b=Fcm1lHghfcGh3zSEixbljL+lk3BpQAr+HjHLrpa3hx8vjn7/yl1VonRNSO/o2T3t3aZX8wim3NLvuCnsm6Pj6wAb+FGliXPWZjo0HUfm6ja69k3b9vq1aEp0tluQD8VGP8YOUjoFJqgmPvARpHz3KkMZO4nlLszlLRuJvaeke7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rY2CT/A8WYr/LU4W+daemisWSnOOhT9QC2tsXAhM3K0LwA/6ZkxZzo6g0wkmfGr38n8ad9+ltlFDd65iNvSSwMEmL8t+O7fUC8/62vGqWixB2L3JcF0jeZ96+mbX/4A5hPMiq+F4KwLIpoQNRvlzeYkbead0Bow1tZ7PriSagC0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:22:26 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 03:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) Dennis On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list is > getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > > > > On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > musician, not vice versa. > [2] No. > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence of > an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music qualifies > you as a musician. > > > TH > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do you > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't the > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of people > be a looper? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 07:00:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 741DF3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 07:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481D5EF7.4070200@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:00:07 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <007201c8ad67$aad26110$1db2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Tilmann Dehnhard schrieb: > well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in your bedroom also makes > you a looper. But if your girlfriend starts to complain about the loop, you better got to change the loop... btw. I prefer talking about the loop of love over talking about gear. "Shift the gear Honey, I'm about to come..." Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 08:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F92C3BEF8; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JXdHlXub9bml6DstEpl8Zp6VQDE48AHWsHxlludmE0SS3NTgfljlHBzHoDjG0vZ0JZxR7Ya0D4psMV3IFP+zeh/qRhhVi9dHreH3SOpIAH8/c1YvfKF6pVYJrS47v4fh5o2V+JABiPg3Lewsh1GOoFU+JmETzuQH+bF5ItkOqKY=; X-YMail-OSG: Q7rJ6HoVM1nA_jgJ7xp5hBlbZrGmh4sT2ikyFvRU135a5M5KKGMwQ5_KQvBnJTUPT8EBtRtJyh.bHeuXhONqyyXVGOhf5mqb7lzvBjBHOs5pwryLJBp3KG9zO9I- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: definition looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <481D5EF7.4070200@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <266691.54079.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:19:21 +0000 (UTC) really? what about if i loop in the garage? > Tilmann Dehnhard schrieb: > > well, yes, you're perfectly right - looping in > your bedroom also makes > > you a looper. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 08:27:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8EB3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 08:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=a5f/I37QQCxt1us7ZaqapMfGnojrhJSZ5j088aBS9e4e359BDAm2gHxD6/8O8QJzg06oJtdGo2b1sUy0QYCfL9/33oTKSvU0mA4Q8vdVvqmMO+qac0QvvvkZyKsiH+Nn5jy+DN6DySAj79SDi1zCENpARY/me1cTBJ14slYYjHE=; X-YMail-OSG: 6vbL7lAVM1lHja6k6VPC3rs3rapFBPgNOIp6pJyODQaE9mfoIF3Tdjfi7t0z0MLnLG0bTWuCESABRBYVOKz7_zR9bA1PfbDwkhEVyCt6TgDCFaNhq.ni78OyxpM- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 01:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Netiquette (was Re: New Product preview at the Ethermusic festival) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080503215941.h2uthg4feskgsco4@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <190351.19481.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:27:22 +0000 (UTC) wow,its amazing that he still has to read the text-chart but yes some lyrics are hard to memorize! Luis > I found it! :D > > http://memaria.org/bai_da_dang/ave_maria_schubert/ > > They have a video of Pavarotti singing it and MY > PROGRAM NOTES! HAHA! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:18:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3AE3BEF6; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z1fLUA/EOaRHi3C98/PS8J5jsclFm2Na4sLSjFUszfb6WDFeWRnfpSE7rYsqy+f8migtcKIls8Jk8Gl0NuKOM6DRAb26/c21inEUJqz3Vu/9M7YSQFNijo+dsau4xDEUUQNwO4HpYJSm5QsncQKqOO8RE4f48mh+0DsBU+Bb6NM=; X-YMail-OSG: M0P_HeMVM1kBMosPro5ATJCw_i9DSwXPF5NuDuoPPMsi1bzYF2vWyUcTx3WJyHsB3Xmy6jkVV0i4y.9ZFb_3SYZX0RZMW2lNni1WPWfS6_YWFAPYfNSngxrgrBo- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:18:30 +0000 (UTC) sorry mea culpa Rick for not writtng big O.T.! but because i am using microphones more and more lately and dealing with bleeding problems when i loop i am trying to minimize that as much as possible,though still trying to play a real instrument and looping his authentic sound. I was told here that dobros sound like dobros only through a microphone and that there wasnt really any convincing pickups for them unless you get really expensive ones made specially for them,ive toyed around with the possiblity of getting something like the variax or the vg-99 but with time i am getting tired of all of this instrument simulations and getting to appreciate the real thing more and more.I havent loop with a drum machine synced to the EDPs since my last gig in Brescia Italy and ive distanced myself from my sampler lately as well...now the handsonic certainly looks very attractive but lately i feel better looping real instruments and then coming in with my "woodbox" or Cajon for a groove.At the begining i used to have terrible feedback problems with the cajon and acoustic but Ive solved the problem by sticking pillows inside it and sticking a feedback buster on my acoustic.I am even looking for a feeback buster that will fit the soundhole of the cajon! Listening to looper cats like Ash grunwald or matt taylor from australia and seeing some of their videos on youtube caught my interest on a dobro,although those guitars do feel a bit madmax they really sound like nothing else! Luis --- Rick Walker wrote: > Hi, I wanted to chime in here on this discussion > with > a couple of slalient points and a little procedural > point. > > Firstly, this really should be an Off Topic post. > Fascinating as it is, it is peripheral to the topic > of looping. > I've been guilty of this in the past but this is a > courtesy that we promised > people who are overwhelmed with this list and don't > want to read Off Topic > posts. > > > > Secondly, I have, indeed, performed with the > nortorious Bob > Brozman...............many, many times , > in several coutries and on several albums of his. > > I know that he is deeply enamored of his Neumman 150 > (K150?) condenser > microphones. > I believe he now travels with a pair of them. > > Thirdly, if here were dead (and may he live to be > 105!) he would roll in > the grave > at the thread title. A National Steel Guitar > and a Dobro, though > sharing a resonator > cone technology are considered to be different > instruments. Bob, as > strong minded > as he can be (bless his uber intelligent and > talented heart) HATES dobros. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:30:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEC0E3BEF7; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JR/mAue+G3UmDonIeRwqMg939rIn/zc2kXWUd9nDW44=; b=rxmLAfVzLrcTPaBZyEJeg5WkvcpxylznbPxuiABelcaL1n2q7tQbl/pCC6vZyxNOUQCYlG+Mf3mdo2P1r5EPHJW+3xmeMITuvNagQhGWYlxWnlUSPXYgFHk+BOQAnMvedKE1BQUbGtUTWAClb3URE3N7rNtFdmdvDDClyZNGUN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CQcD1UIJAlFpk+4AXUxlAoqzsBHndd6GplvhDQhyBGV8Jh4AqWFLMSoB7xbe4Wao//AbFyMVcO+7vd7dxRzx2QvSg8PudtBE5S7Vry6D5aBmdvPX28MqJkBQyOQAaS9+Jq14THpi0O3dReQzPXoxzNE7pWgp9uCP7YyvCWVaXuU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805040230l6e057068k34ffddfbd6e1811b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:30:14 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar In-Reply-To: <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00ad01c8ad7a$ec014260$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <740615.80347.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:30:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > feel better looping real instruments and then coming > in with my "woodbox" or Cajon for a groove.At the > begining i used to have terrible feedback problems > with the cajon and acoustic but Ive solved the problem > by sticking pillows inside it and sticking a feedback > buster on my acoustic. Hi Luis, I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he and the Cajon player of another band we shared the stage with used contact mics for the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We bought ours at Bugbrand, http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:31:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9BC3BEF9; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RlZrX5NP3IIjsWdYP639MyhBNa6CnlhiJ4E3iA1SK/AkuYjfMiDKRnKo9Dt1WskoIMm5zxo1bXxbDE1WQZ+WV3JmE/UPolTJ5mAd5om7FffKjMB6BGEGsprRMZ6Ya1NY5dHd8nThbLEKxz/TmuobBVRnR19mknqI6TYtOTnZIwE=; X-YMail-OSG: 94jkbTUVM1lLu..tmwZymhP5bT6qHn7.wIqTThWdKjMo9bvx.H0YtJzrgu5YUPmxV9rMwoDkEw.U.8IfRnp6V.NliaxAWpBjz6knVx55XL9gHN_HBwxkVp4Ap2Q- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <688606.54719.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <798558.40866.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:31:16 +0000 (UTC) very interesting topic alhtough it keeps surfacing every now and then,i was just thinking about that last night,would it bother you loopers if somebody use delays only and not loop at a loop festival?or sing a song with minimum looping? I remeber Go Nakamura apologizing at one of the loop festivals for singing a song without looping... Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > Uh, did I say that??? I thought my post was more > about > the futility of categorizing players based on the > equipment they use (or own) than by HOW they use it. > > I'm not specifically picking on the DL4 (I have and > use a DL4 and its big brother the EchoPro); I just > used it to illustrate my point since it's so > ubiquitous. Players in any of the three very > different > categories I gave as examples could very well use a > DL4. For some of them, looping would be an integral > part of their music. For others it might be a very > small part of it. > > I remember about a decade ago we had a similar > discussion about whether or not Eberhard Weber was a > 'proper' looper because although he was an early EDP > user, it was felt by some listmembers that he didn't > really use (or CHOOSE to use) it as more than a > (very > nice) delay. That's not a value judgement about the > quality of his music. I don't think there are very > many people on this list who would say "Music is > only > enjoyable if it features looping." > > And before anyone jumps on me for implying that > using > long delays isn't 'proper' looping, that's not what > I > said either. Sheeesh. > > -t- > > --- Matt Stevens > wrote: > > > Are people who use DL4's not considered "proper" > > loopers then? > > > > > > On 3 May 2008, at 18:02, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > That's exactly what I've been thinking > throughout > > this > > > whole thread. I hadn't commented because I've > not > > read > > > all the posts and thought someone had probably > > already > > > mentioned it, but it really does seem that > almost > > > every pedalboard you see out there has at least > > > something like a DL4 or an RC-20 on it. > > > > > > Now whether or not all those pedals are being > used > > for > > > what we would consider live looping is another > > > question, but it does raise the problem of > > determining > > > who gets to be on such a list based on such a > > 'gray > > > area' set of criteria. > > > > > > The list might consist of: > > > > > > 1) Well-known musicians of any musical style > > who've > > > been sighted with looping gear onstage or in the > > > studio, with no consideration as to its use. (As > > > Stefan pointed out, this would be HUGE.) > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) Well-known musicians known to incorporate > some > > > degree of live looping into a variety of > contexts. > > > > > > or > > > > > > 3) Well-known (?) musicians who've established > > their > > > entire careers using looping as an integral > > element of > > > their musical style. > > > > > > Obviously there'd be a lot of overlap between > > these > > > categories... > > > > > > We might also have to define 'well known': take > > > someone like Andre LaFosse; he's undoubtedly > > expanded > > > the techniques of live looping and regularly > > pushes > > > the envelope, but is pretty much unknown outside > > of a > > > comparatively small group of like-minded > > musicians. I > > > would think someone like that would be more > worthy > > of > > > comment within our specialized community than > > would > > > Joe Rockstar who might be using a DL4 as a delay > > or > > > doing some rudimentary looping on a tune or two, > > but > > > is clearly much more highly visible to the > general > > > public. > > > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Stefan Tiedje > wrote: > > >> Another thought about this list of fame: > Imagine > > you > > >> should list famous > > >> pianists, any list would be more of a personal > > >> reference, and would be > > >> far from being complete, in the contrary, a > > complete > > >> list would be > > >> unbearable. This is a clear sign, that the > piano > > is > > >> an established > > >> instrument. > > >> We are heading into the state of looping being > an > > >> established > > >> instrument, because a complete list is as > likely > > to > > >> be too big, as > > >> incomplete... > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ______________ > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > http:// > > > > > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:33:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D273BF02; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6CT8QVtqoxSFRANxXQpw77s/u+TA6BLra7amp9MbrUwGyRWEuMIdmP/3XP4v08fGTGYcgtYGiI3LxknrgcU6igXjzMRtER88DfLOLLlg6rVkHjlW3cv2I6qRrEDotIlQ63jfG0rDBUtAYykZNnfRqeKXJxsCj2uabq4dKEi5NA0=; X-YMail-OSG: GSWsP.EVM1mkF9T2e2wC_BrYKUlVjEj9vM2yr3HjHEIyGohSPrbkH7AfZQ_Bqs_KIkcHe1rG7lcTp5K03uhaRzXbWFQ05ywLEMr3N.x3SRDuLWNf0.DusWxNWSE- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805040230l6e057068k34ffddfbd6e1811b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <890989.32908.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Great tip Per thanx a lot for the link! cheers Luis > > Hi Luis, > > I did a gig (in Italy) with a Cajon player. Both he > and the Cajon > player of another band we shared the stage with used > contact mics for > the Cajon. No feedback problems what so ever! We > bought ours at > Bugbrand, > http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/pages/sounddevices.htm#flycontact > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43DB53BF01; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bRQPQGXSk29cWkUzsmmDARBs/4alImIYVXj1QL3eW8Is67ZlYpItDW2oVZ/hgyS5oG7FUX/d/EtFWisEioQC4rDbrVI1ruGz72Qr2PAC0T7mcmMfU80cTWLXuVxEE5yq+j2F7/wTEdxNL8MpOqLbtXIqvu0pYfOWZ5WryY8qwso=; X-YMail-OSG: W1ssvPkVM1mX0ghl.VthAaItlLh5S6epoZAcEj85v_DmYrdHDXFGG0DTUW6iViPssfAzpPcXZBq_AFAp3_9QnNCjjf6EqSa4s1mXc7KTGLpwl3PDuqOm78zBv3I- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Guitar Loopers: Your life is soo much easier! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <207861.62160.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2O6xz.A.imG.0NYHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Hey Phill, yes ive been checking out the hpd10,it does sound really nice,the conga sounds are impressive! cheers Luis --- phillip wilson wrote: > > hey there Luis > > which Handsonic are u thinking of going for? > i have the hpd10 and love it, its weird how after > all the £££s i have spent on electric guitar fx and > such this one little thing thats not even my main > instrument would become my favourate thing to play. > > > Im actually thinking of getting a hdp15 one day to > compliment it but am looking to know more about the > sounds and if they really differ> problem...i am > also thinking about getting the> handsonic for the > very same reason,but somehow people> seem to get > more turned on when you loop the real> thing> > specially your voice!> cheers> Luis> > _________________________________________________________________ > > Discover and Win with Live Search > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 09:51:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93A43BEFB; Sun, 4 May 2008 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ck2hUicFSx3sMIEnOske4Un2Nsgj7dxxiRwo3h4N4JdKPDtHIfqJaO+tNCT9udBnJ+H0eWagQK3bMlZ005IpSW7p3HTnkoWk6HVS5AbP0LrjxrdTE63G4RLHaN+l1+Ff4lH2KAmZ0ytzVBUuFsNqS8Rwf0mhV21YyA6jaj968U4=; X-YMail-OSG: UNejfL8VM1m9NX46p02QVBdHIwZLeGq3F3oZAAK16fagCfGnvFL_kPGOrW8rxDThXcZL54QkkkfyZvy4lmu1l17khwoO5DSn9t65a7g_qanXoFHeFKQMzSkCee0- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 02:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c8ad16$aa628c10$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <643741.52803.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) the micro pog is one of the best pedals ive bought,i just which it had the poly mode like in the OC-3 where ony certain strings track the octave and the rest of the strings remain normal,very smart feature on the Boss OC-3! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try > it/them. > > Ian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects > processors > > > > I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, > > but this might still be useful. > > > > Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on > the low octave. > > (pitching upwards has a slight delay) > > Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be > pleasant, but not the > > natural sound of the instrument. > > > > The upwards pitching is significantly flat. > > (as can be heard on the EH demos ) > > > > From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd > expect a similar sort > > of result with flute to that with guitar (except > that with the higher > > pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital > artefacts and flatness > > will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce > your doubts about buying > > without trying. > > > > andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments > other than guitars - I'm > >> particularly thinking of flute - always on the > lookout for harmony/octave > >> effects that track well and sound good. No local > dealer so have no way of > >> getting to try them out before buying (that comes > to mind). > >> Ian. > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 10:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55E13BF00; Sun, 4 May 2008 10:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c8add4$a67d4a40$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <643741.52803.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:50:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects processors the micro pog is one of the best pedals ive bought,i just which it had the poly mode like in the OC-3 where ony certain strings track the octave and the rest of the strings remain normal,very smart feature on the Boss OC-3! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Thanks Andy -I need to find somewhere to try > it/them. > > Ian. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 1:06 PM > Subject: Re:OT EH Hog/Pog/Micro Pog - was effects > processors > > > > I've only tried the Micro Pog with guitar, > > but this might still be useful. > > > > Tracking is excellent, with no noticeable delay on > the low octave. > > (pitching upwards has a slight delay) > > Somewhat odd digital sound , may or may not be > pleasant, but not the > > natural sound of the instrument. > > > > The upwards pitching is significantly flat. > > (as can be heard on the EH demos ) > > > > From what I know about pitch algorithms, I'd > expect a similar sort > > of result with flute to that with guitar (except > that with the higher > > pitch and purer sound of the flute any digital > artefacts and flatness > > will likely be more noticeable) so I'd reinforce > your doubts about buying > > without trying. > > > > andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Has anyone tried these pedals on instruments > other than guitars - I'm > >> particularly thinking of flute - always on the > lookout for harmony/octave > >> effects that track well and sound good. No local > dealer so have no way of > >> getting to try them out before buying (that comes > to mind). > >> Ian. > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8A4E3BEF9; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481D9A24.4030005@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:12:36 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sensor technology References: <010a01c8a7d1$604de420$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: <010a01c8a7d1$604de420$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Ricky Graham schrieb: > I've uploaded a new research video > http://rickygraham.blogspot.com/ > > Sensors. MSP. Arduino. etc. > > Check it. Let me know your thoughts. I think its brilliant. Shows very well how far one can get beyond commercial gear/tools by creating them yourself. Max/MSP/Jitter is just one option... The pressure sensor part though was more a technical demonstration than something as part of an instrument. But its hard to show on a video this kind of sensoral expression... One would have to feel it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 11:38:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F162A3BF04; Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> Subject: Re: definition looper Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:38:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:09 +0000 (UTC) And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned here a couple of months ago - pre-release? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM Subject: Re: definition looper > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > Dennis > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: >> My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list >> is >> getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. >> >> >> >> On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping >> musician, not vice versa. >> [2] No. >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence >> of >> an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music >> qualifies >> you as a musician. >> >> >> TH >> >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do >> > you >> have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't >> the >> guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of >> people >> be a looper? >> > >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 13:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F37A3BEF1; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 93695.21352.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s86YzVEzYo8+JMXxU/j1/VUkTrxjQ3O9FJSDSjy5Pmj1q3GU+4BgEG2SlCOFDkRC4Aopzi14aPKnwV8VetfdOzOknpwrbzdZi5WaED88i8cVCQtiheCdMi6nb2W/eAdW6IolOtdpvr8PcuspF7wsUVJJIAvh7yXb1C9F3qutRO4=; X-YMail-OSG: 69IeanMVM1mAxUlCLrQhP5UJomCIw1WHnGDsKTE.s4ygsjVl68wwDxZiRFWEkjL9Zwyr1gh9o2jePhakHryIiz4EFiHUacFo3Jv_9v7eSuI_aHkUaHl0pMOdF6Q- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 06:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FAVORITE LIVE LOOPERS: a new list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <798558.40866.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <974284.31176.qm@web45114.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0CV5oD.A.eRE.mTbHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > ...would it bother you loopers if somebody use > delays only and not loop at a loop festival?or sing > a song with minimum looping? That would depend on how it was presented. Personally (and considering it only in terms of musical enjoyment) I don't care at all what techniques or equipment a musician uses, and I find it pointless to try to pigeonhole music or musicians by genre, style, category, etc. except as a very general means of description. And I also consider that ANY real-time capture and playback of a performance DURING that performance as PART of that performance might be considered looping, and that is easily accomplished with open-ended delay. (Just look at all the people looping with DD-20s, for example.) But at the same time I can understand how the promoter (or an audience member) of an event specifically intended to showcase a certain technique might be irked if a performer billed as a looper didn't really do any looping. I personally see looping as a tool that may be used (or not used) as required by the music, just as a painter should not be obligated to use every color of paint or every one of his brushes in every painting. As an improvisational musician, I'm never exactly sure in advance what the ratio of looping to non-looping is going to be in a performance, and think it's pretty silly to even think too much about it. But then again, most of my performances are not at events specifically billed as "looping festivals". -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 13:44:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C273BEDF; Sun, 4 May 2008 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZeTL+Iob/Jwc4OuAYmxFbX6ErW1H5KTsK/U4rEXqzUc=; b=LOEL2B+abiqlSb0pG/f0HRXFoepuw+aih9ndjjVBGUUB5Tx5QQ4mrq/vHWRcELsS2oM5T/shOmgj3sOZYwrHQnfVk1B3YF/JBv3Uom+vlfR1l2cUEj+zANit0Vd0xbjBncuxI4lNwGymLfx3lDK65+3QMcGySYXZgqPjQLJHbMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CzdphD2ioTemDtrVeiFVtImxABXh9Mf+TFgGcYqhT1OfrNoO4EmyU7ALX2pEilZslvcbf/jcnKXZ3kui30Mvv8WQdFXpu6qyl4dRSDzOJoJscqk9qwdd7/78jMWd2ClS0+F0leD3NGA0KN7L9/lRXiB4xlIsR83kAxXr/d4pjA4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:44:24 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: definition looper In-Reply-To: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bb01c8ad5a$ec8acb40$5901a8c0@bobdell> <4C414846-BBA2-492D-B75D-672D702850E5@mac.com> <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Don't know ... did ask it about it, though. A local chain here in New England (Daddy's Junky Music) has the DD-7s in the warehouse as of yesterday (Saturday) and are distributing them out to their stores. I asked if they were' getting the Slicer and he said yes, but didn't check on it, as I wasn't ready to drop bucks on it. Sweetwater has been filling orders for the DD-7 this week. There have been a few of these already showing up on Ebay for the past three weeks, but only in the last week from sellers in the US. As for the Slicer, I'll wait until I can go in and actually try one of those; I"m wiling to go ahead and snag the DD-7 now (I bought a pair of DD-20s untried and haven't regretted it a bit!). Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned here a couple of months > ago - pre-release? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Moser" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: definition looper > > > > > > > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get mine on Tuesday > > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > > > My God. We desperately need some new gear/software to discuss. This list > is > > > getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to be considered a looping > > > musician, not vice versa. > > > [2] No. > > > [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping musician. The presence > of > > > an audience qualifies you as a performing musician. Playing music > qualifies > > > you as a musician. > > > > > > > > > TH > > > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping in your music? [2] Do > > you > > > have to perform in front of other people to be a looper? [3]Why can't > the > > > guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever getting in front of > people > > > be a looper? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 15:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762BB3BED9; Sun, 4 May 2008 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DDQQ0jrXZnPzvfBox94iSDErScpGR9arTlG5cSU4pBwf/aPcMZT7oOD+xFu8DgvXTV/yKvhQdQMaN0Tt3x2cCdSEqVoD6WbFaqvkOdaRpQEeyIRwuzxoQYswqsxNIaslHNygqEuPlzI7LnPijJNm1Mv+XwyhHE1PRjxS1I2ngs8=; X-YMail-OSG: yMoUHi8VM1lY89DhDjg687Fajn1DcT7EtLLD6zwFyHJnDFCO2eCKvxJcHMLgZzH1oznFsKQdx4I6kiO4H0nfs.82yUMVfXizQoAOeYc_W0o8lqjVTJjVqDCBybg- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: definition looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c8addb$5c71bce0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344860.18211.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:35:38 +0000 (UTC) this effect is by the way integrated in the boss gt-pro very fun effect! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > And what about the new Boss Slicer pedal (mentioned > here a couple of months > ago - pre-release? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Moser" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:22 AM > Subject: Re: definition looper > > > > Boss DD-7's are hitting the supply chain ... I get > mine on Tuesday > > ...let the discussion begin! (THANK YOU, Chris!) > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > >> My God. We desperately need some new > gear/software to discuss. This list > >> is > >> getting ridiculous. I love it, but come on. > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 3, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > >> [1] No, you have to use looping in your music to > be considered a looping > >> musician, not vice versa. > >> [2] No. > >> [3] As long as he satisfies [1], he is a looping > musician. The presence > >> of > >> an audience qualifies you as a performing > musician. Playing music > >> qualifies > >> you as a musician. > >> > >> > >> TH > >> > >> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Bob Amstadt > wrote: > >> > [1] Do you have to be a "looper" to use looping > in your music? [2] Do > >> > you > >> have to perform in front of other people to be a > looper? [3]Why can't > >> the > >> guy who plays music in his bedroom without ever > getting in front of > >> people > >> be a looper? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 16:55:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E572D3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=b2MfYYXvTSDXSxfXeETE0pC9T7fVu8cThccA5qGIczp8P5pUy6PS7Hva/Drmg1N6bVsJEktgCQzQm0WUUxyrIHuQGDXwlzWiEvG1/SNZHCRGqxAdTyjldjg+lQTq2nLMcLRU64hqyrbeJAHbDHMSeaOisqvCVnFBqGMlw2V7FlI=; X-YMail-OSG: D2vm6hEVM1kL4fyZeugeWN2uBbw1TatBrQ.IR6Yq1A7WKCV2KcDpmDPMWvuJNuKJC_FEu2wKXz2OJVuQPfonxQHLW0wmkBd6eWCVpuFdlHeJJ8lkR7ZN6KzGI20- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) yes shes truly wonderful! Luis --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Rick, > I just realize that you are looking for a list of > LIVE loopers, > those who use the technology onstage, in live > performance. Certainly > this list should include: > > Kaki King > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:12:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F19A3BECD; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hx6rh+Xr8nCqj4UKSOWFnNBBGKNvc74g5Ux6wY1BS/w=; b=ny5sZlRv9pFDtWj/XSi3BDPFvrxau0canTgkbSUIU01Kka1M16ohUPX74h0LzpJ/jutGTYOkzJwFHQprPyxwodqahfY38X4+5Ey25w3voEqTNsvoWHBM6BVUtlhWqkOj+4fEGIhAVCcGNch/Z7qQb5Af3PFKVRJ3pM3UOmRC258= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WqyAqC7HQA3tIoOgDEfKbcrdz1nue1ShZgkILkaKVK7M4i3B2HiA9gRKxnmCjmNJ0Mt4oASEfQIQXXGnthW1EM2LV+P9YXuljQdBnEdEZYFvO1UjyCqBXaani4WJroePTAMbK+KDtkhmMUFEZ93kX+1LmTU4A+3+62YLQ3miHeQ= Message-ID: <4759e5740805041012k1c87ea76i18e737bdf7f1cfa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:12:21 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: [LOOPING PERFORMANCES IN NYC] Todd Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565" Resent-Message-ID: <7ppC8D.A.IdF.45eHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:12:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanted to post two events at once here in May, will post the second one again as it nears. May 10th, at The Stone in NYC 10 pm Todd Reynolds solo set with Michael Lowenstern, Bass Clarinet and laptop, guest May 21st, at The Flea Theater in NYC, 7pm - Still Life with Microphone, my concert theater event with lots of live looping and live interactive video a la jitter like so many on the list have been inquiring about, featuring the live video art of Luke DuBois, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi and Bass Clarinetist, Michael Lowenstern. Details will be up on my blog http://blog.toddreynolds.com by later this afternoon. Cheers, folks. I'll post again with details and descriptions as days approach. Thanks for reading, Todd ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wanted to post two events at once here in May, will post the second one again as it nears.

    May 10th, at The Stone in NYC 10 pm  Todd Reynolds solo set with Michael Lowenstern, Bass Clarinet and laptop, guest

    May 21st, at The Flea Theater in NYC, 7pm - Still Life with Microphone, my concert theater event with lots of live looping and live interactive video a la jitter like so many on the list have been inquiring about, featuring the live video art of Luke DuBois, percussionist Satoshi Takeishi and Bass Clarinetist, Michael Lowenstern. 

    Details will be up on my blog http://blog.toddreynolds.com by later this afternoon.

    Cheers, folks.  

    I'll post again with details and descriptions as days approach. 

    Thanks for reading, Todd
    ------=_Part_16191_24580123.1209921141565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0A13BEC8; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481DF5B2.40402@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:14 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or something, in regards to Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her fingerpicking solos she shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in my opinion her tone is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always out of tune. And this is about the most unimaginative, predictable, poorly executed Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least on national TV). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc Is there a particular album that people are hearing some promise in? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 17:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D3ED3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 17:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c8ae0e$e4786610$180b3c4a@NORBY11> From: "Toby G" To: References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <481DF5B2.40402@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:47:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:47:19 +0000 (UTC) She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or something, in regards to > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her fingerpicking solos she > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in my opinion her tone > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always out of tune. > > And this is about the most unimaginative, predictable, poorly executed > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least on national TV). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > Is there a particular album that people are hearing some promise in? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:10:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9C13BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3717 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 04 May 2008 18:10:33 UTC Message-Id: From: Mike Crain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Ableton LIVE 7 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:08:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ez7.ez-web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mikecrain.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone out there who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should upgrade to 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool features under 7. Thanks! mc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:25:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF713BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HKY5XyJ45x4q2PbfUiAqx9rIqCJPfrnEjPifleki7/E=; b=OOuE0JncymEaVdPMaESsqNmpv/Llqh0bHv167E69y3PbowRFFUICHHZHT30Gq0zgU6FxVgBv/InAZSfRtyD7+pZgbSuBe9M07O5dos91Ilsbrbhk04aFXcbFhyagHRSiDF5ul/6tiXweiZP+ox98Xc6m0UngPxffCAFA4TOUxPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lPlFz/sDA0ATLJftWUvz2kyxKQWTXhqkIdTNAIB40lIDiPIkL8hCkziGfSiKONddLu7uI8HtLFoPjyKT6nkjRSM0rAx3i/bu9qeMDbeTTdedVdRqIyPexsN4jRax1wyCSDWN91AJzyXyzJdoLiR5MGck9RFqyAw99E0PAuOKl78= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:25:30 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS In-Reply-To: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018" References: <581389.81005.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:25:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline She is, but I remember someone asked her about looping back in her solo days (the first two albums) and she said that it was all live. The later "band" albums do have some looping. TH On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > yes shes truly wonderful! > Luis > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline She is, but I remember someone asked her about looping back in her solo days (the first two albums) and she said that it was all live.  The later "band" albums do have some looping.

    TH

    On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
    yes shes truly wonderful!
    Luis

    --- Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:


    ------=_Part_11152_28011110.1209925531018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:41:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24CC33BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 783951.5037.bm@omp508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=g83bUktekShRSmtahCpi2pIgHu39MthNq2k3IlUckHycgxQz74k1XlCPsB5Km1rEfnlYfJav83Ea5zx1mMABygqMfrs6yjSpKIynu+8DOhB7UoQkbAeysUkNATUARsGns5U+0R528D5yMeKwnLJo6XhskzU0E7n2iJDiS0hxm+Q=; X-YMail-OSG: eSL4ipoVM1n9_QaHuSsPig5e7qpKT2pnEY7r5xVUaUQE_FZUBbxsat6DbxThUXfp.uvRbRNN4Rl4N5XLQ6.akZ2ZYZhwzM2EbsBq5pieovc5dOlgbASz8I_KmbQ- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <833108.89794.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I remember right after her 2nd album came out ('Legs To Make Us Longer', produced by David Torn) she made a comment in an interview about how it was tempting to use a looping pedal, but then somewhat disparagingly implied that it would be cheating. She seems to have reconsidered, though. :) -t- --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > She is, but I remember someone asked her about > looping back in her solo days > (the first two albums) and she said that it was all > live. The later "band" > albums do have some looping. > > TH > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:55 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > > yes shes truly wonderful! > > Luis > > > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 18:57:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DF223BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ScnHW6DvUKms6ZMI80K0yMWybSgmTDThbzdodE+0TH17aQ5KfXoodC2ma8U30JA0wir+viuU+QwPPzhv4e0N6D4DsQuZN3/2XgrEqClH93LgSlRL3Gs371Y/CfNy7XceRHnnWsbDe24zgNgelLtJ2KbP4Ai43oVjXRgTXlYCyUY=; X-YMail-OSG: 4bXvUtgVM1mgcmOpx_kWUZHv3x6h25Zc99JBdDOtYQzpYKyusaH6KYiUg0eQ2nt6EQ-- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c8ae0e$e4786610$180b3c4a@NORBY11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:41 +0000 (UTC) i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique some years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc cheers Luis --- Toby G wrote: > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. > > > t > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daryl Shawn" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > LOOPING ARTISTS) > > > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > something, in regards to > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > fingerpicking solos she > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > my opinion her tone > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > out of tune. > > > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > predictable, poorly executed > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > on national TV). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > > > Is there a particular album that people are > hearing some promise in? > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:39:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812A53BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZmOxDLYywAVztgHdGTH+JGgYMYe44qYgm917LD715rC0CF+uEHUr8GZwsVXXRkKVa8hw0Pd2lNxcaU9k+GM/SM/lztjS0KscKl478Sombw2hDwrTqei94usNAwpuhs2um/6X875NkDZhZREHs+LgpzRE4TbcpXsrE1oDYscVfwY=; X-YMail-OSG: POJF6EwVM1l60xn.LCn_K7C3SDCX6ARqzYd2iF_5NoBOFcfPuE0slKfSoaxlS61bW0gTSmfBvWdEFnoujYZ_fn1l.AsHZYHw_5AN8DgFupEvGhoQ8gBEgoi7iPE- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: DD-7 demo (O.T.) To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) hey guys, anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco (second dude)is using? http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere else,very nice looking! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B711A3BEC5; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=tR1bFAiXRtKsUigqf26XKUjSpfzo7aWhoqJPN3HXXu0=; b=H0bnNA2I4mB9z2JWfsi1sFjQPb+gv4SuG6mXIUWocgU0N5AlyTILSiJgqN2+ZI09kqyBa8Jfrq4WLeIbiel8rKGhPZFF2mIqpMK5w7Bzv8eQzJqv/zCbR/MG+ardI/04yBdYJ5cuUUSKClVFXza8XwqJ5C6qoc2OLYzFzUs6oeY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fmgTBzvlX9Ud9vB3v11gXHpjCahuLDB3Ife+gGnA5GQataG9ZVs5qZGtD1DUitu5ojLFyA/dg3fCfbAgQwMfwd0kcFLWbClnKNMqEWyjNC3kw9GbT1Y3yipp/Dif56cTczkTZ53BSHsDmGVoR6pZJd0agm0u/sI2c3Cy2vvW2j8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:42:41 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Independent direct loop access on two EDP's-->what note values to use? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I've set up two EDP's in the same rack to allow them to sync to each other via BrotherSync, but function as two independent audio "tracks", as opposed to a linked stereo pair. I'm controlling the two via an FCB, and everything's going okay so far except when I try to access a loop directly via MIDI loop triggers. I have the control source for EDP1 set to 36 and EDP2 set to 89 and I want to be able to hop around from loop 1 to loop 3 with one button press, and more importantly take advantage of the ability to trigger a clearing of the destination loop and activate LoopCopy of the current loop. On EDP1, I'm using the MIDI notes C5, C#5 and D5 to trigger loops 1,2 and 3 respectively. This works okay for EDP1, but causes EDP2 to go into record mode sometimes. Using Claude's Excel sheet, I thought I'd calculated the loop trigger values for EDP2 (source#=89) to be F5, F#5 and G5, but that's not working. My understanding is that it is possible to achieve what I'm trying here--does anyone know what I'm missing? Thanks, Travis Hartnett ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Recently I've set up two EDP's in the same rack to allow them to sync to each other via BrotherSync, but function as two independent audio "tracks", as opposed to a linked stereo pair. 

    I'm controlling the two via an FCB, and everything's going okay so far except when I try to access a loop directly via MIDI loop triggers.  I have the control source for EDP1 set to 36 and EDP2 set to 89 and I want to be able to hop around from loop 1 to loop 3 with one button press, and more importantly take advantage of the ability to trigger a clearing of the destination loop and activate LoopCopy of the current loop.

    On EDP1, I'm using the MIDI notes C5, C#5 and D5 to trigger loops 1,2 and 3 respectively.  This works okay for EDP1, but causes EDP2 to go into record mode sometimes.  Using Claude's Excel sheet, I thought I'd calculated the loop trigger values for EDP2 (source#=89) to be F5, F#5 and G5, but that's not working.

    My understanding is that it is possible to achieve what I'm trying here--does anyone know what I'm missing?

    Thanks,

    Travis Hartnett
    ------=_Part_11228_2697405.1209930161287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 19:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198CA3BEC3; Sun, 4 May 2008 19:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 12:43:54 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) References: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: > I was taking a look at in ear monitoring systems. > One thing that disturbed me: > Even though most wireless IEM systems have a limiter, most only have limiter on the _sender_ but not on the receiver. Hi Buzap, I think that the most sensible solution is to have a built-in limiter on the bodypack. I think that a lot of them actually do have that feature. For instance even the most basic Shure wireless bodypack model has a limiter: http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/PersonalMonitorSystems/us_pro_P2R_content - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:18:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3BB33BEB9; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:18:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Message-ID: <20080504201801.155060@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080502220643.161560@gmx.net> <481E11FA.9060600@servingpeace.com> Subject: Re: Canford Headphone Limiter (In Ear Monitoring revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0mRUF7GD07UZdFFkUDQIr/Z0BnpcfkjB9fHxFUQ RS9oMYqlNCGYEmcuUTtWPP0DJFJNt2MacKpg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: zywscKUPPjl+G5wvzTQ2w1I7MTE2NUkS Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Sam well, the LD Systems for example doesn't - a pity because it is much cheaper. Btw, Canford doesn't seem to sell the hard limiter without headphones... But I've found a rather easy DIY design for a hard limiter with some diodes: Should be rather easy to build... - IF I have time... ;-) Buzap -- GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen! Jetzt dabei sein: http://www.shortview.de/?mc=sv_ext_mf@gmx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 20:31:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396AD3BEC0; Sun, 4 May 2008 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5CGXYDtzqviBl2gX2/aYF5q8nz8oC4KFKiVvZSDi4QA=; b=pO/SbNYJHk8FbSf2MtMQF0peFmI7nIiCoqs42CpK0AtERpA1s3vcENPsSQKiZHAvy4VK8Z9FHLG9AJ7jSx3sRKu09t6kjC5FL8pPgy+leJDG11UxIW7wG4MRGiFLnDcGkwTVCkKnVYr9TtdueCl3bdK0NB7G8e5CJbshemFCVfU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=alNYuAeV2RYSR+gItVbbvL596U8V1dPDXczkwBBxUEKTMU41DwxIhpupLs6Lwd29EYd3tW9GByJsIv5DtEIaas2zJiyCeV3DH4dicRYycv2m48GaQG5qtdZ2EDWuKENZ8EW74FZHR1ZndfbrFIMffkZmSr+V9AV1OIzLzLla3YU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:31:35 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:31:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Mike Crain wrote: > I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone out there > who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many > tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should upgrade to > 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool features > under 7. > > Thanks! > > mc I'm running Live 7 here on Leopard and it is as stable at it has ever been. I have been using Live back since version 3. You should really get version 7 for the macbook because 5.2 doesn't support multi core processors, and that was a huge power lift when it was introduced! As for your last question I'm afraid I can't tell, since I have never found a musical situation that calls for such a huge amount of track and processes that would give me a chance to measure the CPU headroom. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 21:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FC3B3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 04 May 2008 21:38:16 UTC X-Originating-IP: [70.108.1.99] X-Originating-Email: [digavi_joe@msn.com] Message-ID: From: "Joseph Lane" To: Subject: RE: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:33:09 -0400 Organization: Digavi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AciuGLsCaHmJ1dK2TiSjPZ5OtHSRJAAFZE4g Disposition-Notification-To: "Joseph Lane" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2008 21:33:14.0072 (UTC) FILETIME=[755B8580:01C8AE2E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Don't be a PH!! She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!! -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique some years ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnLmWcRBzzAc cheers Luis --- Toby G wrote: > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. >=20 >=20 > t > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daryl Shawn" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > LOOPING ARTISTS) >=20 >=20 > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > something, in regards to=20 > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > fingerpicking solos she=20 > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > my opinion her tone=20 > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > out of tune. > >=20 > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > predictable, poorly executed=20 > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > on national TV). > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DshYdqbJgQdc > >=20 > > Is there a particular album that people are > hearing some promise in? > >=20 > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > >=20 > > >=20 >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 21:42:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3553BEBE; Sun, 4 May 2008 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=u+WyfZLGJKXHPjca9dLObo7gnTfR5i/VPixFS883MJw=; b=iDQAkXxEdA/yFIeOaohDeZ/9f8V8YVpi4tsKzCqQul+G2a5NGdL3aYTeIg/XTqjQTaGyPHBZIaCsWkgimBze8oRYZIW6Ccji6eiLZpPTVkaxfBDNQb0Lfsh94kShsbkCNO8s1zH2V2wWcyruyewfpNJ8TdhozNUIR4O6nEfaGDM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TPY2bdB9nNzHX/k0Ca9J/9VxLlxu5stHjv5X09p4L8Kd6mDQGd6S2AzT+GJS7uVxQqfF9Jp4CHaJiCbXoTu0ctnUHgiBWL6iMNndwbBSdIRVLuM3gEIaLnqO7Eatb+QDbc6xEqKrb0B4EsGqYEA3QB/5cOCYWatuzU+BV6emDlg= Message-ID: <4759e5740805041442l28158f1anb01da834668678b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:42:36 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594" References: <324390.42401.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline what's a PH? twould never want to be one, sounds like. Pie Hole? t. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Joseph Lane wrote: > Don't be a PH!! > She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS) > > i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure > Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique > some years ago > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc > cheers > Luis > > > --- Toby G wrote: > > > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord. > > > > > > t > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daryl Shawn" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM > > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE > > LOOPING ARTISTS) > > > > > > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or > > something, in regards to > > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her > > fingerpicking solos she > > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in > > my opinion her tone > > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always > > out of tune. > > > > > > And this is about the most unimaginative, > > predictable, poorly executed > > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least > > on national TV). > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc > > > > > > Is there a particular album that people are > > hearing some promise in? > > > > > > Daryl Shawn > > > www.swanwelder.com > > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > > > > > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline what's a PH?

    twould never want to be one, sounds like. 

    Pie Hole?

    t.

    On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Joseph Lane <digavi_joe@msn.com> wrote:
    Don't be a PH!!
    She has always sited PR as a major influence. She still has to play!!



    -----Original Message-----
    From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:58 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE LOOPING ARTISTS)

    i would say she is ripping off more of the obscure
    Preston Reed who i believe invented this technique
    some years ago
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLmWcRBzzAc
    cheers
    Luis


    --- Toby G <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:

    > She's even tuned to the Hedges chord.
    >
    >
    > t
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Daryl Shawn" <highhorse@mhorse.com>
    > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:43 AM
    > Subject: Re: OT Kaki King (was AMENDED FAMOUS LIVE
    > LOOPING ARTISTS)
    >
    >
    > >I must admit, I'm still behind the curve, or
    > something, in regards to
    > > Kaki King. Looking her up on Youtube, in her
    > fingerpicking solos she
    > > shows some interesting compositional ideas, but in
    > my opinion her tone
    > > is weak, articulation is poor, and she's always
    > out of tune.
    > >
    > > And this is about the most unimaginative,
    > predictable, poorly executed
    > > Michael Hedges ripoffery I've ever seen (at least
    > on national TV).
    > >
    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYdqbJgQdc
    > >
    > > Is there a particular album that people are
    > hearing some promise in?
    > >
    > > Daryl Shawn
    > > www.swanwelder.com
    > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaki_King
    > >
    > >
    >
    >


    www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



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    ------=_Part_16840_33311907.1209937356594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:03:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD6F33BEBE; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010401c8ae3b$231a9fb0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Re: OT: amplifying a national steel dobro guitar Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 16:03:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, I wasn't trying to admonish about the OT thing.............just keeping people on track for the sake of all. Periodically, we just have to reinforce the OT postings netiquette and the 'please for the sake of god, don't include every post in your post so the daily digest doesn't come in 8 times a day for lack of bandwidth" problem that continually occurs here..........lol About the amplification. I have to say, that though I disagree with many things that Bob Brozman has to say about world music (and agree with more than as many as well) that he is the king of this instrument and his wholel life revolves around sounding fantastic on sound systems all over the planet (good and bad). His solution of the Neumann K150 is the bomb. YOu can't believe how good he sounds in concert. I know it's a pricey mic. that being said and done, the Shertler portable mic that sticks on , convertably, to any instrument at all has changed my life. I'm touring with one and I'll show it to you when we play together later this month. You can put it on a frame drum, a kalimba, a cajon, a national steel, a violin, just about anything that resonates with very , very little feedback and a nice rich sound. I'ts NOT a piezo styled pick up..............the mic is just below the surface (by a thumb nails distance) of a small round metal housing. You put a puddy (that doesn't not harm any surfaces coming off the instrument but sticks firmly in place. You fashion the putty into a circle and press the pickup straight down onto the instrument (you need a fairly flat or slightly curved surface) and the puddy seals all around the mic as you put down so it is inside a chamber. I took a large body 12 string steel guitar , amplified it with the schertler and put it up right in front of my pa speakers without feedback!!!! I love it. It won't be quite the fidelity of the Neumman k150 and if given the chance I might not use it in a fine studio recording, but for live it rocks the Casbah. I'll show it to you. They have normal string and ethnic string models. I believe I have the ethnic string model , though I think the normal string model probably picks up more bass which would have been nice. pricey ($500 USD?) but completely worth it if you are a multiinstrumentalist like yourself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:10:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E74DF3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=n5JHT5PSw0IbDktDAYzox9EbULIPwIal7HlbtfLG/N0=; b=a2Ed0e11nH8pHruuXQOGs4qdu48OmD54MuYfd16sxf7vJjspjhzJcOUC2cNt1BzkeFNu0XnJmUYdOfVI1bvkvceofhxp/jYfmcYAlimWHhE/qd3Ncse0EafRTLramHMvVxb16Or0WcvCYw/IXT1BfP9tDUO3QNpzHw27zj9brKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UUEtn/oinYl4mY+DqUtqyRcZ0qhy3yBxdUn8N4nQZRCROWXlK+yUf9PUiKprLH+92kk4Ru92X0K/2veBhcee5QxEdDIUYRPYLwPGN6HPyO1nRc0mbFhtAuKrxlfgcSLeCx46OSCpWC9FrjwBpgm4cOpRaOfW3wF7wyHVEWTg/sw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:10:45 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-7 demo (O.T.) In-Reply-To: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) No, it's not a Godin ... I use one and that's not a Godin ... maybe a Breedlove? Godins have the name/logo running up the pegbox; that one has a logo at the top of the pegbox. Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey guys, > anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco > (second dude)is using? > > http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 > > It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere > else,very nice looking! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:16:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38CEB3BEB2; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=aUrZhfypjBB1V0/ylePARVFdxvj/bupJ4QNIwxkw1MY=; b=wZze+irw4mL9RHZXmj6kis+UdA8BRZo8oARp4D8k1TZo03qskP0ZQusXnZvL0ChN3xuILABQowfcdaCFa9cfYDFlkOMjw+tozLQgt4qlr6MjGaYTAEqqaJN8Ibu9QaOGoeedgaAidHAaRhGu0xtAnTf9Ne897miUTHdZtoJfut0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C+G7iAWYkRM/Rm4XlR/d204qvKyGj/cLWllVTcg+uvZ1F7uKHgGAFxFalu4ifycO8fRBU6v7G+/x76b7PWUNHnBy45Wj8FcVBEJ8VY7EfrVhvMpsAZqj4bGa5g5Bg20bFQ6o9DJrjFHYf8/GPF7HeHQIIWvpWwxDi3BPWnRDu2Q= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:16:03 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DD-7 demo (O.T.) In-Reply-To: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <422823.51910.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1Ja3GD.A.goD.2OkHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Found it ... http://www.breedloveguitars.com/instruments/guitars/mark/index.php DeMarco uses a lot of Breedloves ... Dennis On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:39 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey guys, > anybody knows what this guitar that guy De Marco > (second dude)is using? > > http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=958&ParentId=92 > > It looks like a Godin but havent seen it anywhere > else,very nice looking! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8A53BEBA; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Ableton LIVE 7 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:48:16 -0400 References: <66f9cc1e0805041331o3b89f9bcpe8bcdfc08cf1c8a0@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8M0Hq.A.UYE.EtkHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) I'm using Live 7 with a 2.4 Macbook Pro. CPU isn't really an issue much anymore. I have a couple tunes where I use 8 tracks incorporating various synths and many effects. The usual CPU saving tricks should certainly be used. I have noticed that you really benefit by turning off the Airport, Bluetooth and all sharing. Ableton is truly a great app. 7 has may improvements that make it well worth it. Especially from 5. Go for it. Chris On May 4, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Mike Crain wrote: >> I just purchased a MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz & 2 GB RAM. Is there anyone >> out there >> who is running Leopard with LIVE 7 and how well it runs. How many >> tracks/processes are you able to run? Just wondering if I should >> upgrade to >> 7 or just 5.2 though I'm aware and know some of the really cool >> features >> under 7. >> >> Thanks! >> >> mc > > > I'm running Live 7 here on Leopard and it is as stable at it has ever > been. I have been using Live back since version 3. > > You should really get version 7 for the macbook because 5.2 doesn't > support multi core processors, and that was a huge power lift when it > was introduced! > > As for your last question I'm afraid I can't tell, since I have never > found a musical situation that calls for such a huge amount of track > and processes that would give me a chance to measure the CPU headroom. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun May 4 23:51:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB9C3BEB9; Sun, 4 May 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <86C7C697-4550-4A74-BEF0-4E862DCA9E0B@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: New Gear Lust Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:50:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Is anybody else lusting after Spectrasonics Omnisphere? Check out the demo videos. The ability to lock up with Stylus RMX is mindblowing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 02:42:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3733BEA6; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: <20080504230356.72E5E3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #313 Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c8ae59$9e9275a0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080504230356.72E5E3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciuOyZd+7I5x3scRkqRl7jOnn5zVgAHnNeg Resent-Message-ID: <0lenR.A.nl.CQnHIB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:42:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com [mailto:Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #313 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

     

     

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    ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C8AE1E.F2339DA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 02:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C40B3BEAF; Mon, 5 May 2008 02:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007a01c8ae5b$f6342a90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:58:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Luis posted this video of Preston Reed's percussive style (probably an influence on Kaki King, the wonderful percussive and now, looping guitarist) www.youtube.com/watch I thought it might be cool to watch it and find some other resources on the web (as well as post our own thoughts and practises) about how to use the guitar as a percussion instrument. My own brother, Bill Walker has been finding incredibly cool sounds out of hi lapsteel guitar, by brushing the strings to create shaker effects and , just lately , he's discovered a very hip really high pitched cowbell sound buy manipulating false and very high harmonics and then damping immediatlely. His 'drumset' loops at the latest Heroes of Slide Guitar show in Santa Cruz was particularly compelling to me. He even used his cell phone on the pickup to amplify some cool 'cricket' like sounds. Preston uses his techniques in real time, interspersing them with tapping, strumming and glissing the strings in much the same way a beatboxer can weave in a melody , linearly, in to a beatbox). The cool thing about this technique is that it presents us with only partial percussion that is so convincing that the pattern orientation of the brain completes the pattern.............this is done analagously by beatboxers who can weave in faux instruments, lyrics and drums by interspersing individual 16th notes of different timbres of sound....all in a row. My brother, uses live looping and then layers several parts on. They are both very valid approaches but require really different mental sets. In some ways, because one doesn't have to hold down the fort in looping, it means we can search for more interesting and idiosyncratic sounds to weave into our instrumental mix that we don't have to be responsible for holding down constantly (in much the same way that I can use a frisbee as a kick drum sound without having to play the instrument for the entire song). The acoustic real time way is certainly more difficult and technically impressive, but the looping part may, ultimately, be more liberating and innovative in terms of pure timbre. What do y'all think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May 5 03:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46EE3BEAE; Mon, 5 May 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c8ae5c$5229bb30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: OT the Guitar as percussion instrument in Live Looping Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:01:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) I'll start off with this: My latest thing is using a very thin pick and really getting good at controlling the speed with which I scrape round wound sounds. Even though they are quite small and it takes some work, it is possible to play individual ridges as groups of 16ths, triplet 16ths, 32nd and even 64 notes in either direction of the pick arc. I was showing a guitar student the other day (he's taking looping and creativity lessons from me, not guitar lessons........) that you can come up with a half a dozen completely different timbres using this method. You can play like a quiro looooooooooong scrape, short scrape, short scrape or you can get good and counting the number of ridged and the control them rhythmically as bursts of either single notes or doubles or triples or quadruples, what have you. It's very cool and with the judicious use of parametric equalization (and I'm suprised that more guitarists don't employ parametrics but that's another thread for the future) you can really get great percussion sounds. Throw in a little double octave pitch bending in either direction and you really can have great drums (at least for looping purposes) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon May