Re: Powered Subs

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFBD3BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:21 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=L/NFFV1cMsBvbDp4K/7tn6yDcQXSFiyEJjtjEgEzbWPA4fers86yL9ZichPGhDiDaL4nmOLJw4rl9kvBrlEimlyUIRkRR+TaPqW1CDqGoPN8gOKuoiuucTlYmG+v/ihTqvrshzsNtSPXqzNim1r7Rf0OVvP2bTBr3uoGxip85Uo= ; X-YMail-OSG: GkvQhXQVM1l0I1XM0isqtf31ZXXRFIdKJSaOQ7xO7Wl6fPKmI9TqKM8ZkYb05ERJ5JN7bmH1rKt_SJtxO2eXA1qRccCEuOedGlJRHVdwYL2anFwQ9g-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:08:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Powered Subs From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c84c07$1e09cd20$5a1d6760$@com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="B_3281962121_2209321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3281962121_2209321 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3281962121_2240223" --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two to share? I=B9d like to research but aren=B9t sure where to start. I=B9m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Correct, you don=B9t need to go stereo since the =8Cseparation=B9 at the sub 1= 00hz > frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for = each > main channel can be smaller and very effective. =AD but probably net out t= o be > more expensive. > =20 > Happy new year! > -Qua > =20 >=20 > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > =20 >=20 > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the foll= owing > (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub= , > right? >=20 >=20 > Kris >=20 > =20 >=20 > Powered Sub >=20 > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >=20 > OR >=20 > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >=20 > OR >=20 > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >=20 > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs About= the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two t= o share? I’d like to research but aren’t sure where to start. I&= #8217;m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below.=

thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Correct, you don’t ne= ed to go stereo since the ‘separation’ at the sub 100hz frequenc= ies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for each m= ain channel can be smaller and very effective. – but probably ne= t out to be more expensive.

Happy new year!
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered Subs

I'm going to buy a powered sub very s= oon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with thes= e? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?

Kris

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $11= 00
http://www.wirelesshut= .com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetwa= ter.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com

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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_bd5.2201db68.34aae056_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B1D3BECF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QUbz/r9JQemObravq+fWIT4b39R/+Dh609SRSibkB08NCNM+jvawiYvmionMBX9G; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21465248.1199147115973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4860c53a1589cdc5e9b8a3d149878f63f8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <9ehWLC.A.T8E.shYeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi- i'ved used these for ever and a day-never failed to give m,e that subb umphhh! http://www.americanmusical.com/item.aspx?i=3DJBL%20EONSUBG2&src=3DD0407FG0H= AMS0000JBL%20EONSUBG2&utm_source=3Dfroogle&utm_medium=3Dfeed& -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Stites >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 7:08 PM >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Re: Powered Subs > >About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name o= r >two to share? I=C2=B9d like to research but aren=C2=B9t sure where to star= t. I=C2=B9m >looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. > > >thanks > >LS >................. >on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> Correct, you don=C2=B9t need to go stereo since the =C2=8Cseparation=C2= =B9 at the sub 100hz >> frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for= each >> main channel can be smaller and very effective. =C2=AD but probably net= out to be >> more expensive. >> =20 >> Happy new year! >> -Qua >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: OT: Powered Subs >> =20 >>=20 >> I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the fol= lowing >> (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a su= b, >> right? >>=20 >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Powered Sub >>=20 >> ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 >> http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> Mackie SWA1501 - $980 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> JBL PRX518S - $1000 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >>=20 >> Krispen Hartung >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E585C3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <184c01c84c0f$4515b4d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60" ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered SubsThe only small subs I could finder were by Elite: = http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&id=3D239 =20 1X10, but I don't think they'll give me enough wattage in the cottage. = Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below are the way to go, just = one. The way they work is that they have a built in cross-over and also = stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then split out = into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my case)...works = like a charm, apparently. Kris About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand = name or two to share? I'd like to research but aren't sure where to = start. I'm looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed = below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: Correct, you don't need to go stereo since the 'separation' at the = sub 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with = a sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. - but = probably net out to be more expensive. =20 Happy new year! -Qua =20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the = following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo = with a sub, right? Kris =20 Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs

The only small subs I could finder were = by=20 Elite: http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&= id=3D239 =20

1X10, but I don't think they'll give me = enough=20 wattage in the cottage. Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below = are the=20 way to go, just one. The way they work is that they have a built in = cross-over=20 and also stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then = split=20 out into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my = case)...works=20 like a charm, apparently.

Kris

About the=20 smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two = to=20 share? I=92d like to research but aren=92t sure where to start. I=92m = looking for=20 two, self powered and smaller than what is listed=20 below.

thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 = 3:44=20 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Correct, you = don=92t need to=20 go stereo since the =91separation=92 at the sub 100hz frequencies is = minimal or=20 non-existant. However, systems with a sub for each main = channel can be=20 smaller and very effective. =96 but probably net out to be = more=20 expensive.

Happy new=20 year!
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] =
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered=20 Subs

I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. = I=20 narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I=20 don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?

Kris

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - = $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie=20 SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S=20 - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen=20 Hartung
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On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:

The annual electro-music New = Year's Eve web concert is going on right now!
http://radio.electro-music.com=

Cheers,

Bill
=

Excellent ! =A0 I tuned in = at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for = directing...=A0 to this site!

Safe travels, good health = and a Happy New Year to you ALL....

cheers as = well,

Scott = Duncan

= --Apple-Mail-2--347104320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 01:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103E63BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <4779763D.2010501@soundscapes.us> <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> In-Reply-To: <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> Subject: RE: NYE Webcast Going On Now Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: <006901c84c18$b01a5160$104ef420$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFeiSY4vmO9YATi+ZZhhZBVw/aQAAp8qw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D9d3d1e0d00009670.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuned in ! very cool - I find it fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J. Video would be even better ! -Qua From: Scott Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox wrote: The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert is going on right now! http://radio.electro-music.com Cheers, Bill Excellent ! I tuned in at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing... to this site! Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to you ALL.... cheers as well, Scott Duncan ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tuned in ! very cool - I find it = fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J. Video would be even = better !

-Qua

From:= Scott = Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now

On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:

The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert = is going on right now!

http://radio.electro-music.com

Cheers,

Bill

Excellent ! I tuned in at a fine moment -- = Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing... to this = site!

Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to = you ALL....

cheers as well,

Scott Duncan

We use JBL subs in our church = – around 150 people when full.

One sub didn’t provide enough coverage – possibly because the stage is on the long side of the = room facing across the width of the room rather than the = length.

Once we got the second sub the = impact was really good.

From the sound booth I can feel the = bass but it is not too loud for the people who prefer softer = music.

We had no subs for a few years when = we started but once we got the two subs in place and got them to the right = volume – the difference has made the expense worth = it.

Previously – we could hear = bass notes just fine – but without depth.

2 JBL 18” powered subs is = what we use.

We will replace asap if the subs go out.

Cheers!

Robin

-----Original = Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December = 31, 2007 4:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered = Subs

I'm going to buy a powered = sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, = right?

Kris

Powered = Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

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Just curious, and Happy New Year. > Bill > When I play in 5.1 I use a pair of SWA1501's. However, I drive them =20 from a discreet channel and only use them for that occasional low =20 note. I like to think that my music comes across fine without them =20 however it is nice when I can use them. Most of the time, then, my =20 subs sit silent. I spose I am comfortable with this notion from my pipe-organ playing =20 experience. Most pipe organs do not have pipes in the 32' register =20 and on instruments that have them, one only uses them once in a while. =20 However, there is nothing quite like deep bass. Yes, the subwoofers are pricey (I bought mine used and I lucked out =20 and got two for the price of one). Just like a pipe organ, the =20 largest 12 pipes are the most expensive notes on the instrument! Single notes or bass drum beats are very effective on the subs but, to =20 me, a mix of sound thru the subs can become murky. Happy New Year to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:43:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E421B3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:43:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?" Let me start off by saying that I am NO expert on this subject matter. However, from 30 years of working in different capacities as a live sound engineer (mixing many different pop and african groups in 100 and 200 seater clubs in Santa Cruz, 1,000 seater Catalyst rock showclub and 2,000 person Civic Auditorium (Spirit of Africa Festival, et. al.), as an Audio Engineer in recording studios, as a Producer in recording studios and then just doing live sound for my own small gigs one thing occurs to me about subs: The human ear , with the exception of distortion in the sound, does not reproduce bass waves very accurately, due to their very long wave lengths. We really hear accurately in the midranges where our neurophysiological 'EQ' has strong peaks in the range of human intelligibitity. Also, saliently, one tends not to need the kinds of high wattage of subsonic speakers for most of the playing situations where we do our looping gigs. They would overwhelm the room and the frequency spectrum with their power (most of the ones you mentioned looking for). Also, depending on the crossover point of your sub (which you can set on anything decent), many excellent professional speaker systems (especially powered monitors) accurately handle frequencies down to 40 and 50 cycles. This means that subwoofers are usually called on to reproduce those frequencies that are at the very bottom (and somewhat innaccurate end of the audible spectrum) and the ones that we feel as much as hear.................those powerful 'rumbly' frequencies. Soooooo (conclusion time and a practical solution for subsonics in one's performances): I just went out and listened to a bunch of home stereo subwoofers that were in the $200-$300 range (and occasionally as cheap as $100 in sales) advertised at places like Fry's and concluded that though they didn't have tremendous wattage, power or volume, that they sounded excellent when added to my little RCF 10" monitors or my Mackie 12" powered monitors. The volume of these things is not loud, but at the normal volume that I play at in small venues, they really round the sound out well and were, well......................inexpensive and fit my budget (they are also not very large usually). The way I figure it, is: If you need more wattage than that for a gig, almost invariably, you will using a pro sound system for the performance, so, in a way, why pay a lot of money for something that is both overkill and heavy and bulky to cart around. Then you can put the $700-$800 you save towards your next tony miniature tube preamplifier or you obsessive collection of Robert Fripp memorabilia. Now, I'm totally okay to change my mind about these conclusions if there are people who have a lot more knowledge than me on the subject, but I found this to be a perfectly acceptable solution for the reproduction of subsonic frequencies in my live looping performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:47:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C623BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d801c84c42$22ab8e00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:47:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered subs does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more appropriate it is. And I say that with tremendous love and respect. Happy New Year, buddy!!!! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:02:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AEC3BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> Subject: RE: Powered subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <009201c84c43$ef8db320$cea91960$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFsk8jF3ZGGnOQ9W0DzfLNIcbUQABjdIAAAlEiUA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De5cc19580000d0e8.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <3Q2SAC.A.JQ.xVeeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, happy new year! >From my audiophile days, my preference has been for very high quality full range cabinets rather than 'satellites and sub'. The sub often needs to have its volume adjusted relative to the smaller mains to keep it sounding coherent through the crossover point. But full range audiofile speakers (e.g. Dunlavys, etc) require a lot of cabinetry and are quite large and heavy, and can cost 10s of thousands of dollars. In the music industry, these kinds of speakers are usually only found in very high end recording studios. I've seen that in the live sound reinforcement industry, much less attention is paid to the finer details of sound , and the equipment needs to be road worthy. This has lead to smaller cabinets which lack full range (IMO), so subs have been added to regain the full range - or , even make the low end an 'effect'. Similarly in home theater, many people can't cope with the expense and proper speaker placement of large main cabinets - thus the rise of the satellites and subs suitable for earthquake movie effects. The biggest factor is the source material- your sonic goals for reproducing it. long live the low end! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:35 PM To: Subject: RE: Powered subs I personally don't understand the need for, or attraction to subs, unless it is a design like the Bose Linear system that seems to need them, from what I can hear, to sound full. Now I'm coming from the perspective of a guitarist, but I personally feel the modern club and concert sound aesthetic places way to much emphasis on Subsonics and a bass heavy mix. I've heard way to many good bands me rendered muddy and indistinct from a rumbling overly loud bass mix. For me too much low end can have an adverse effect when playing acoustic guitars for the obvious reasons. So I ask you all who love subs, is it a better musically experience for you when you can hear and feel that bigger low end? Just curious, and Happy New Year. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:09:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C33F3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DwJ7fEy65NzxexND1Oi6WWlhHtwM9eoGOnyEnVDCiQ4QCnrOJGtL5Dg4C2BFLRbj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9670189.1199189369308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:09:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c82d35fe08e08ffc6cccea2044dbbf52a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <8GOl_D.A.rtG.71ieHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) thankya mann-and the same to you and yerz Rick- yeah the things i do w/ subbsonic sounds hasnt got much to do w/ anything. it takes a lot of ampage to push long waves and the volume i play at is extreme. it IS a physical thing. but i'm still a loopin fool-forever. hapi neu yrs yall staninsanfran -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Walker >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 10:47 PM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum > >The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered >subs >does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). > >With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more >appropriate it is. >And I say that with tremendous love and respect. > >Happy New Year, buddy!!!! > >love, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:12:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D583BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MPv1HU2hTSg6krijjmxS+a2SuuH+0ZyQdVOFE2v4T807p34Zh4pE+2XzmB+0dSDcX8HtQF6V4MxauYE3+QUt3Zpbtb+Afnv/2cLxPebK/891bYexwSu9fMNoa1IpBefw8BDYmw3X5cP5MZJhbmorgeMnPDDnx1Bj8IL319ujWn4=; X-YMail-OSG: Y8h55scVM1kn6nR11X6fzOKM6E7CMeELhtTuHHBA2qBjx3bC4o9saxPe.BeoNIy.eQ-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Powered Subs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline When i played in different bands as a side guitarrist i never really understood why this bands would be hauling this bulky and heavy boxes that just sat there silently and that was because most of the time i was standing on stage next to them,until i realized you have to stand a certain distance away from them to start feeling the so called "bass thump".however ive also heard that some systems work well with others and some don�t so make sure to ask and try. Thank god things are getting lighter,from what i hear this babies seem to be compact powerful and the one of the lightest: http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_9_sa.htm combine them with their light tops you may have a killer sound http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_2_a.htm then again yes,price hurts auch... by the way happy new year dudes!! Luis --- Robin Sengupta wrote: > We use JBL subs in our church - around 150 people > when full. > One sub didn't provide enough coverage - possibly > because the stage is > on the long side of the room facing across the width > of the room rather > than the length. > Once we got the second sub the impact was really > good. > From the sound booth I can feel the bass but it is > not too loud for the > people who prefer softer music. > We had no subs for a few years when we started but > once we got the two > subs in place and got them to the right volume - the > difference has made > the expense worth it. > Previously - we could hear bass notes just fine - > but without depth. > 2 JBL 18" powered subs is what we use. > We will replace asap if the subs go out. > Cheers! > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I > narroweed it down to the > following (below). Any experiences with these? I > don't need to go stereo > with a sub, right? > > Kris > > Powered Sub > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html > OR > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 > OR > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F2F3BEAC; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mh8pwK+HChVPrIbAJif6EObuCKfhaq5lBOeh4HY/brK2Si0v+uxSbn+/c4AjVRX7JmNL4ypsoDF7C8gYPp9fuyR+D0EBXETjqBN3Dwt++WZYhWYWhW1cOGarhhxESUriJFg+izkZEy78LeFp8Xa350Qs0m0cceRVbXj7+ZgXBE0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9ti8baUVM1miud7l0dC0jKiPXPPjvJAjjO9RBwoQ1isWFBID7xNXhliId1bPRigyv3K0vgUqrQMFmrV4.tLTfJZz_ZuTwLioRXfZ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9B-OJB.A.pFF.3EleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, if you were to pick between this 2 to record with bands at home which one would you choose?what would be the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would seem easier to have a band just come in plug their instruments directly and go at it.My other question is,because of my room space i would probably have to run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any effect on latency? thnax! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FC63BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD0HQgURKP57R5SuZZuhA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Release Notice: rainer thelonius balthasar straschill: "Weird Specialist" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:01:17 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004b01c84c87$29596700$6501a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchMhyjUsweiqj9OT7+bVYxFovubjw== Resent-Message-ID: <6eXDDC.A.-zG.sWleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rainer thelonius balthasar straschill Weird Specialist Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' great pleasure to announce yet another album release: Weird Specialist contains material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the release of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg ) up to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists solely of freely improvised music using live looping technology. As this is album is a set of material created independently of each other from a time span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - in addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - the approach seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of building blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) form a homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole. As with the last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any comments and online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done by Anna Bejenke. And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect start into the new year with that music, your weird specialist, Rainer www.moinlabs.de www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

rainer thelonius balthasar=20 straschill

Weird=20 Specialist

Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' = great pleasure=20 to announce yet another album release:

Weird Specialist = contains=20 material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the = release=20 of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg) up=20 to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists = solely=20 of freely improvised music using live looping=20 technology.

As this is=20 album is a set of material created independently of each other from a = time span=20 of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - = in=20 addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live = Looping Festival=20 and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - = the approach=20 seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to=20 the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of = building=20 blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) = form a=20 homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole.

As with the=20 last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com=20 - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any = comments and=20 online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no = doubt be=20 enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done = by Anna=20 Bejenke.

And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect = start into the=20 new year with that music,

your weird specialist,

&nbs= p; =20 Rainer

www.moinlabs.de

www.jamendo.com/en/a= rtist/straschill

video.google.de/= videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs

------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3643BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 645331612/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.66.131.139 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.131.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HABrqeUdPQoOL/2dsb2JhbACCIgSkHYIg Message-ID: <477A5B22.9020203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:24:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) References: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the >> delay modelers more than the looper. > > ...which tells us also something about the delay models - if they had 28s of > delay time, I bet more people would use them, if only to loop (and make use > of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed implementation).# not to say it isn't wonderful :-) ..but it's not a "varispeed", It's analogous to the speed remaining constant, but the playback head moving. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9663BEAF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c84c8e$7d0b78f0$77226ad0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMgKUhO1oTJSe8QqeC7twW+6kzugADWXWg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D62df1e2d00003b75.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) An interest that I have in using a sub is to reproduce experimental and found sounds (e.g. a car wash, rhythms, low frequencies). For some sounds, assuming they are recorded with low freq. info intact, a sub might be the right tool for the job -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 16:09:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7BB3BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2jXb/QmlOJIxVNHBZahXwvh9mTx2vOt5yzXpX+qzGEpGqcf8qgcq3WmuSl4dq2XYDqkdQL/ZXCx4PtmrqViMt3nY0TN8WuW9a6da+K5zVxUjwZIkP13MAvLNM/K5n3Ca7nSC7IF0DD+RIxUSRLNHgWUK9QOiiAidrj1FHnKhzIc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9m6.L2oVM1nwkWTrgKcNM08o4UYgaBcUSCOuKIAUL6mutxFhokMVqD8d4PzvXEcx6bobpWuW4UwloQ8LAcRCgDXUKmwbHGcMfD5a3dbXLiwFzmMfaI9ZCbE39_HBvw-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-410067493-1199203749=:72612" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800512.72612.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run. I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi, all:

I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run.

I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate.

Regards, Paul

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Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:05:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95943BEB0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 494743BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:38:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Message-id: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi - Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out tracks on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic Let me know what you think. Happy New Year! David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:23:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C103BEB9; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:23:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) DK, Very nice stuff indeed. A most pleasant alternative to football on New Year's Day. thanks! TK On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:38 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out =20= > tracks > on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy New Year! > > David Kirkdorffer tEd =AE KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A9A3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477AB048.6090206@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:27:36 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 References: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Nm87.A.H0H.LBreHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > if you were to pick between this 2 to record with > bands at home which one would you choose?what would be > the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i > currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am > being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about > 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx > having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would > seem easier to have a band just come in plug their > instruments directly and go at it.My other question > is,because of my room space i would probably have to > run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any > effect on latency? Hello, I actually have the rme fireface 800 as well as the onyx 1640. I find that the onyx is great for mixing live music if you need to do a show, and if you want to record that live performance the onyx makes that really simple and it does have pretty nice preamps in it. For actual recording projects which might include overdubs or adding extra tracks where you need to hear a mix of live instruments and recorded tracks, the rme 800 is much more capable. The flexibility and power of totalmix is amazing. Also I find that the rme 800 has not only better preamps, but the converters seem much nicer to me which is even more important for good recording quality. This is why I bought the rme 800: better converters, better preamps, totalmix's powerful flexible routing, and rme's reputation for stable quality software drivers. So if you just want to record the inputs of your mixer live the onyx is great. If you want better preamps and much better A/D and D/A converters along with much more powerful routing capabilities the rme 800 is the winner. When I want the best quality that I can get and I run out of mic inputs on the fireface, I run cables from inserts on the onyx to line inputs on the fireface and that allows me to use the fireface's converters with more mics. For recording bands at home you might need some sort of solution like this since the fireface only has 4 mic inputs. I don't technically know how the firewire cable affects latency, but I would suspect that the effect will be negligible. I imagine that you will have dropouts or other problems if the cable is too long rather than added latency, but I'm not sure. Peace, - Sam Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448393BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:48:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Powered Subs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) At 1:05 PM -0700 1/1/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice >in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy >two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at >$600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice >piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. One more consideration you might want to take into account. From what I've observed on occasion, if you walk up to your average listener (non-musician, non-engineer) and tell them they can't locate the direction of the bass tones, they'll look at you funny and go "huh...?!?". Then, once you explain to them in very simple and easily-understood terms that laboratories have asserted the human brain can't distinguish the direction of lower frequencies, you'll find that, for the most part, they won't then echo-locate that tonal range any longer. My suspicion is that in the real world it is actually far easier to locate which side of the "stage" on which the bass is placed. Unfortunately, a lot of times we put a bit too much credence in what the lab results tell us what *should* be happening, rather than what our own ears tell us actually *is* happening. And that difference in results between spatial imaging tests in the lab vs. the field may very well be because it is rarely that the bass component of the music is composed only of frequencies that can't easily be placed. (Aside: ever try to echo locate a pure sine in a room at ANY given frequency? Gets confusing fast, if you're not in a purely anechoic environment.) Regardless, unless you're using a sub purely in its most technical form (as Per pointed out in an earlier conversation, the term "sub-woofer" should really apply to speakers handling only frequencies below about the 50-60 Hz range; otherwise, normal bass frequencies (~50-200 Hz) are handled by the woofer, not the sub-woofer), I'd argue that most bass can actually be echo-located rather easily, and perhaps it's worth investing in two "subs" rather than one. If your current woofers are truly flat all the way down to ~40-50 Hz, then you could be good with a single sub. Too often though, I've seen people (myself included) grab a sub merely to compensate for a lack of low end, and end up flattening any stereo imaging there might have been in the bass spectrum. Of course, if the stereo spread for your environment doesn't matter, then this is a moot point. Otherwise, you might take it as food for thought. --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053AD3BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMsevbLdXq7Rp9TwOBGXJyP6ULtwAEriVw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbf9d02000000b656.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can reproduce. But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, rather than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full impact. Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can really make a huge difference. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:35:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014043BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:33:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c84cc6$51535330$f3f9f990$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMwFcsCAWJ4ZqqQ1iqTxOCBjcsuQABbvtg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc08a02310000b71b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) More on the acoustics.. if you sit in a club next to a hard wall (e.g. brick or stone), you will get a much larger dose of low frequencies than if you are sitting in the middle of the room. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06813BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Subject: RE: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:35:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c84cc6$ae7c5ac0$0b751040$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMvNFaUiaoO2x0RGG4gjEH3umiDQACb+bw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc12602000000b7c6.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) I agree, very nice! Listening to "09099" right now - love it:-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace DK, Very nice stuff indeed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:50:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88773BED0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boise Experimental Music Festival on MySpace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:50:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. 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