Re: Powered Subs

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFBD3BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:21 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=L/NFFV1cMsBvbDp4K/7tn6yDcQXSFiyEJjtjEgEzbWPA4fers86yL9ZichPGhDiDaL4nmOLJw4rl9kvBrlEimlyUIRkRR+TaPqW1CDqGoPN8gOKuoiuucTlYmG+v/ihTqvrshzsNtSPXqzNim1r7Rf0OVvP2bTBr3uoGxip85Uo= ; X-YMail-OSG: GkvQhXQVM1l0I1XM0isqtf31ZXXRFIdKJSaOQ7xO7Wl6fPKmI9TqKM8ZkYb05ERJ5JN7bmH1rKt_SJtxO2eXA1qRccCEuOedGlJRHVdwYL2anFwQ9g-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:08:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Powered Subs From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c84c07$1e09cd20$5a1d6760$@com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="B_3281962121_2209321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3281962121_2209321 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3281962121_2240223" --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two to share? I=B9d like to research but aren=B9t sure where to start. I=B9m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Correct, you don=B9t need to go stereo since the =8Cseparation=B9 at the sub 1= 00hz > frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for = each > main channel can be smaller and very effective. =AD but probably net out t= o be > more expensive. > =20 > Happy new year! > -Qua > =20 >=20 > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > =20 >=20 > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the foll= owing > (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub= , > right? >=20 >=20 > Kris >=20 > =20 >=20 > Powered Sub >=20 > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >=20 > OR >=20 > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >=20 > OR >=20 > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >=20 > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs About= the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two t= o share? I’d like to research but aren’t sure where to start. I&= #8217;m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below.=

thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Correct, you don’t ne= ed to go stereo since the ‘separation’ at the sub 100hz frequenc= ies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for each m= ain channel can be smaller and very effective. – but probably ne= t out to be more expensive.

Happy new year!
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered Subs

I'm going to buy a powered sub very s= oon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with thes= e? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?

Kris

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $11= 00
http://www.wirelesshut= .com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetwa= ter.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com

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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_bd5.2201db68.34aae056_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B1D3BECF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QUbz/r9JQemObravq+fWIT4b39R/+Dh609SRSibkB08NCNM+jvawiYvmionMBX9G; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21465248.1199147115973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4860c53a1589cdc5e9b8a3d149878f63f8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <9ehWLC.A.T8E.shYeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi- i'ved used these for ever and a day-never failed to give m,e that subb umphhh! http://www.americanmusical.com/item.aspx?i=3DJBL%20EONSUBG2&src=3DD0407FG0H= AMS0000JBL%20EONSUBG2&utm_source=3Dfroogle&utm_medium=3Dfeed& -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Stites >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 7:08 PM >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Re: Powered Subs > >About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name o= r >two to share? I=C2=B9d like to research but aren=C2=B9t sure where to star= t. I=C2=B9m >looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. > > >thanks > >LS >................. >on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> Correct, you don=C2=B9t need to go stereo since the =C2=8Cseparation=C2= =B9 at the sub 100hz >> frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for= each >> main channel can be smaller and very effective. =C2=AD but probably net= out to be >> more expensive. >> =20 >> Happy new year! >> -Qua >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: OT: Powered Subs >> =20 >>=20 >> I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the fol= lowing >> (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a su= b, >> right? >>=20 >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Powered Sub >>=20 >> ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 >> http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> Mackie SWA1501 - $980 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> JBL PRX518S - $1000 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >>=20 >> Krispen Hartung >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E585C3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <184c01c84c0f$4515b4d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60" ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered SubsThe only small subs I could finder were by Elite: = http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&id=3D239 =20 1X10, but I don't think they'll give me enough wattage in the cottage. = Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below are the way to go, just = one. The way they work is that they have a built in cross-over and also = stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then split out = into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my case)...works = like a charm, apparently. Kris About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand = name or two to share? I'd like to research but aren't sure where to = start. I'm looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed = below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: Correct, you don't need to go stereo since the 'separation' at the = sub 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with = a sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. - but = probably net out to be more expensive. =20 Happy new year! -Qua =20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the = following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo = with a sub, right? Kris =20 Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs

The only small subs I could finder were = by=20 Elite: http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&= id=3D239 =20

1X10, but I don't think they'll give me = enough=20 wattage in the cottage. Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below = are the=20 way to go, just one. The way they work is that they have a built in = cross-over=20 and also stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then = split=20 out into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my = case)...works=20 like a charm, apparently.

Kris

About the=20 smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two = to=20 share? I=92d like to research but aren=92t sure where to start. I=92m = looking for=20 two, self powered and smaller than what is listed=20 below.

thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 = 3:44=20 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Correct, you = don=92t need to=20 go stereo since the =91separation=92 at the sub 100hz frequencies is = minimal or=20 non-existant. However, systems with a sub for each main = channel can be=20 smaller and very effective. =96 but probably net out to be = more=20 expensive.

Happy new=20 year!
-Qua

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] =
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered=20 Subs

I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. = I=20 narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I=20 don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?

Kris

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - = $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie=20 SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S=20 - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen=20 Hartung
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On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:

The annual electro-music New = Year's Eve web concert is going on right now!
http://radio.electro-music.com=

Cheers,

Bill
=

Excellent ! =A0 I tuned in = at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for = directing...=A0 to this site!

Safe travels, good health = and a Happy New Year to you ALL....

cheers as = well,

Scott = Duncan

= --Apple-Mail-2--347104320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 01:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103E63BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <4779763D.2010501@soundscapes.us> <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> In-Reply-To: <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> Subject: RE: NYE Webcast Going On Now Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: <006901c84c18$b01a5160$104ef420$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFeiSY4vmO9YATi+ZZhhZBVw/aQAAp8qw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D9d3d1e0d00009670.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuned in ! very cool - I find it fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J. Video would be even better ! -Qua From: Scott Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox wrote: The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert is going on right now! http://radio.electro-music.com Cheers, Bill Excellent ! I tuned in at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing... to this site! Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to you ALL.... cheers as well, Scott Duncan ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tuned in ! very cool - I find it = fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J. Video would be even = better !

-Qua

From:= Scott = Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now

On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:

The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert = is going on right now!

http://radio.electro-music.com

Cheers,

Bill

Excellent ! I tuned in at a fine moment -- = Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing... to this = site!

Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to = you ALL....

cheers as well,

Scott Duncan

We use JBL subs in our church = – around 150 people when full.

One sub didn’t provide enough coverage – possibly because the stage is on the long side of the = room facing across the width of the room rather than the = length.

Once we got the second sub the = impact was really good.

From the sound booth I can feel the = bass but it is not too loud for the people who prefer softer = music.

We had no subs for a few years when = we started but once we got the two subs in place and got them to the right = volume – the difference has made the expense worth = it.

Previously – we could hear = bass notes just fine – but without depth.

2 JBL 18” powered subs is = what we use.

We will replace asap if the subs go out.

Cheers!

Robin

-----Original = Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December = 31, 2007 4:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered = Subs

I'm going to buy a powered = sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, = right?

Kris

Powered = Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

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Just curious, and Happy New Year. > Bill > When I play in 5.1 I use a pair of SWA1501's. However, I drive them =20 from a discreet channel and only use them for that occasional low =20 note. I like to think that my music comes across fine without them =20 however it is nice when I can use them. Most of the time, then, my =20 subs sit silent. I spose I am comfortable with this notion from my pipe-organ playing =20 experience. Most pipe organs do not have pipes in the 32' register =20 and on instruments that have them, one only uses them once in a while. =20 However, there is nothing quite like deep bass. Yes, the subwoofers are pricey (I bought mine used and I lucked out =20 and got two for the price of one). Just like a pipe organ, the =20 largest 12 pipes are the most expensive notes on the instrument! Single notes or bass drum beats are very effective on the subs but, to =20 me, a mix of sound thru the subs can become murky. Happy New Year to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:43:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E421B3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:43:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?" Let me start off by saying that I am NO expert on this subject matter. However, from 30 years of working in different capacities as a live sound engineer (mixing many different pop and african groups in 100 and 200 seater clubs in Santa Cruz, 1,000 seater Catalyst rock showclub and 2,000 person Civic Auditorium (Spirit of Africa Festival, et. al.), as an Audio Engineer in recording studios, as a Producer in recording studios and then just doing live sound for my own small gigs one thing occurs to me about subs: The human ear , with the exception of distortion in the sound, does not reproduce bass waves very accurately, due to their very long wave lengths. We really hear accurately in the midranges where our neurophysiological 'EQ' has strong peaks in the range of human intelligibitity. Also, saliently, one tends not to need the kinds of high wattage of subsonic speakers for most of the playing situations where we do our looping gigs. They would overwhelm the room and the frequency spectrum with their power (most of the ones you mentioned looking for). Also, depending on the crossover point of your sub (which you can set on anything decent), many excellent professional speaker systems (especially powered monitors) accurately handle frequencies down to 40 and 50 cycles. This means that subwoofers are usually called on to reproduce those frequencies that are at the very bottom (and somewhat innaccurate end of the audible spectrum) and the ones that we feel as much as hear.................those powerful 'rumbly' frequencies. Soooooo (conclusion time and a practical solution for subsonics in one's performances): I just went out and listened to a bunch of home stereo subwoofers that were in the $200-$300 range (and occasionally as cheap as $100 in sales) advertised at places like Fry's and concluded that though they didn't have tremendous wattage, power or volume, that they sounded excellent when added to my little RCF 10" monitors or my Mackie 12" powered monitors. The volume of these things is not loud, but at the normal volume that I play at in small venues, they really round the sound out well and were, well......................inexpensive and fit my budget (they are also not very large usually). The way I figure it, is: If you need more wattage than that for a gig, almost invariably, you will using a pro sound system for the performance, so, in a way, why pay a lot of money for something that is both overkill and heavy and bulky to cart around. Then you can put the $700-$800 you save towards your next tony miniature tube preamplifier or you obsessive collection of Robert Fripp memorabilia. Now, I'm totally okay to change my mind about these conclusions if there are people who have a lot more knowledge than me on the subject, but I found this to be a perfectly acceptable solution for the reproduction of subsonic frequencies in my live looping performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:47:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C623BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d801c84c42$22ab8e00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:47:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered subs does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more appropriate it is. And I say that with tremendous love and respect. Happy New Year, buddy!!!! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:02:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AEC3BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> Subject: RE: Powered subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <009201c84c43$ef8db320$cea91960$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFsk8jF3ZGGnOQ9W0DzfLNIcbUQABjdIAAAlEiUA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De5cc19580000d0e8.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <3Q2SAC.A.JQ.xVeeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, happy new year! >From my audiophile days, my preference has been for very high quality full range cabinets rather than 'satellites and sub'. The sub often needs to have its volume adjusted relative to the smaller mains to keep it sounding coherent through the crossover point. But full range audiofile speakers (e.g. Dunlavys, etc) require a lot of cabinetry and are quite large and heavy, and can cost 10s of thousands of dollars. In the music industry, these kinds of speakers are usually only found in very high end recording studios. I've seen that in the live sound reinforcement industry, much less attention is paid to the finer details of sound , and the equipment needs to be road worthy. This has lead to smaller cabinets which lack full range (IMO), so subs have been added to regain the full range - or , even make the low end an 'effect'. Similarly in home theater, many people can't cope with the expense and proper speaker placement of large main cabinets - thus the rise of the satellites and subs suitable for earthquake movie effects. The biggest factor is the source material- your sonic goals for reproducing it. long live the low end! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:35 PM To: Subject: RE: Powered subs I personally don't understand the need for, or attraction to subs, unless it is a design like the Bose Linear system that seems to need them, from what I can hear, to sound full. Now I'm coming from the perspective of a guitarist, but I personally feel the modern club and concert sound aesthetic places way to much emphasis on Subsonics and a bass heavy mix. I've heard way to many good bands me rendered muddy and indistinct from a rumbling overly loud bass mix. For me too much low end can have an adverse effect when playing acoustic guitars for the obvious reasons. So I ask you all who love subs, is it a better musically experience for you when you can hear and feel that bigger low end? Just curious, and Happy New Year. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:09:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C33F3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DwJ7fEy65NzxexND1Oi6WWlhHtwM9eoGOnyEnVDCiQ4QCnrOJGtL5Dg4C2BFLRbj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9670189.1199189369308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:09:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c82d35fe08e08ffc6cccea2044dbbf52a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <8GOl_D.A.rtG.71ieHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) thankya mann-and the same to you and yerz Rick- yeah the things i do w/ subbsonic sounds hasnt got much to do w/ anything. it takes a lot of ampage to push long waves and the volume i play at is extreme. it IS a physical thing. but i'm still a loopin fool-forever. hapi neu yrs yall staninsanfran -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Walker >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 10:47 PM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum > >The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered >subs >does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). > >With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more >appropriate it is. >And I say that with tremendous love and respect. > >Happy New Year, buddy!!!! > >love, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:12:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D583BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MPv1HU2hTSg6krijjmxS+a2SuuH+0ZyQdVOFE2v4T807p34Zh4pE+2XzmB+0dSDcX8HtQF6V4MxauYE3+QUt3Zpbtb+Afnv/2cLxPebK/891bYexwSu9fMNoa1IpBefw8BDYmw3X5cP5MZJhbmorgeMnPDDnx1Bj8IL319ujWn4=; X-YMail-OSG: Y8h55scVM1kn6nR11X6fzOKM6E7CMeELhtTuHHBA2qBjx3bC4o9saxPe.BeoNIy.eQ-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Powered Subs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline When i played in different bands as a side guitarrist i never really understood why this bands would be hauling this bulky and heavy boxes that just sat there silently and that was because most of the time i was standing on stage next to them,until i realized you have to stand a certain distance away from them to start feeling the so called "bass thump".however ive also heard that some systems work well with others and some don�t so make sure to ask and try. Thank god things are getting lighter,from what i hear this babies seem to be compact powerful and the one of the lightest: http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_9_sa.htm combine them with their light tops you may have a killer sound http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_2_a.htm then again yes,price hurts auch... by the way happy new year dudes!! Luis --- Robin Sengupta wrote: > We use JBL subs in our church - around 150 people > when full. > One sub didn't provide enough coverage - possibly > because the stage is > on the long side of the room facing across the width > of the room rather > than the length. > Once we got the second sub the impact was really > good. > From the sound booth I can feel the bass but it is > not too loud for the > people who prefer softer music. > We had no subs for a few years when we started but > once we got the two > subs in place and got them to the right volume - the > difference has made > the expense worth it. > Previously - we could hear bass notes just fine - > but without depth. > 2 JBL 18" powered subs is what we use. > We will replace asap if the subs go out. > Cheers! > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I > narroweed it down to the > following (below). Any experiences with these? I > don't need to go stereo > with a sub, right? > > Kris > > Powered Sub > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html > OR > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 > OR > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F2F3BEAC; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mh8pwK+HChVPrIbAJif6EObuCKfhaq5lBOeh4HY/brK2Si0v+uxSbn+/c4AjVRX7JmNL4ypsoDF7C8gYPp9fuyR+D0EBXETjqBN3Dwt++WZYhWYWhW1cOGarhhxESUriJFg+izkZEy78LeFp8Xa350Qs0m0cceRVbXj7+ZgXBE0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9ti8baUVM1miud7l0dC0jKiPXPPjvJAjjO9RBwoQ1isWFBID7xNXhliId1bPRigyv3K0vgUqrQMFmrV4.tLTfJZz_ZuTwLioRXfZ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9B-OJB.A.pFF.3EleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, if you were to pick between this 2 to record with bands at home which one would you choose?what would be the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would seem easier to have a band just come in plug their instruments directly and go at it.My other question is,because of my room space i would probably have to run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any effect on latency? thnax! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FC63BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD0HQgURKP57R5SuZZuhA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Release Notice: rainer thelonius balthasar straschill: "Weird Specialist" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:01:17 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004b01c84c87$29596700$6501a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchMhyjUsweiqj9OT7+bVYxFovubjw== Resent-Message-ID: <6eXDDC.A.-zG.sWleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rainer thelonius balthasar straschill Weird Specialist Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' great pleasure to announce yet another album release: Weird Specialist contains material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the release of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg ) up to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists solely of freely improvised music using live looping technology. As this is album is a set of material created independently of each other from a time span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - in addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - the approach seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of building blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) form a homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole. As with the last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any comments and online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done by Anna Bejenke. And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect start into the new year with that music, your weird specialist, Rainer www.moinlabs.de www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

rainer thelonius balthasar=20 straschill

Weird=20 Specialist

Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' = great pleasure=20 to announce yet another album release:

Weird Specialist = contains=20 material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the = release=20 of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg) up=20 to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists = solely=20 of freely improvised music using live looping=20 technology.

As this is=20 album is a set of material created independently of each other from a = time span=20 of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - = in=20 addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live = Looping Festival=20 and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - = the approach=20 seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to=20 the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of = building=20 blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) = form a=20 homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole.

As with the=20 last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com=20 - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any = comments and=20 online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no = doubt be=20 enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done = by Anna=20 Bejenke.

And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect = start into the=20 new year with that music,

your weird specialist,

&nbs= p; =20 Rainer

www.moinlabs.de

www.jamendo.com/en/a= rtist/straschill

video.google.de/= videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs

------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3643BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 645331612/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.66.131.139 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.131.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HABrqeUdPQoOL/2dsb2JhbACCIgSkHYIg Message-ID: <477A5B22.9020203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:24:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) References: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the >> delay modelers more than the looper. > > ...which tells us also something about the delay models - if they had 28s of > delay time, I bet more people would use them, if only to loop (and make use > of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed implementation).# not to say it isn't wonderful :-) ..but it's not a "varispeed", It's analogous to the speed remaining constant, but the playback head moving. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9663BEAF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c84c8e$7d0b78f0$77226ad0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMgKUhO1oTJSe8QqeC7twW+6kzugADWXWg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D62df1e2d00003b75.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) An interest that I have in using a sub is to reproduce experimental and found sounds (e.g. a car wash, rhythms, low frequencies). For some sounds, assuming they are recorded with low freq. info intact, a sub might be the right tool for the job -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 16:09:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7BB3BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2jXb/QmlOJIxVNHBZahXwvh9mTx2vOt5yzXpX+qzGEpGqcf8qgcq3WmuSl4dq2XYDqkdQL/ZXCx4PtmrqViMt3nY0TN8WuW9a6da+K5zVxUjwZIkP13MAvLNM/K5n3Ca7nSC7IF0DD+RIxUSRLNHgWUK9QOiiAidrj1FHnKhzIc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9m6.L2oVM1nwkWTrgKcNM08o4UYgaBcUSCOuKIAUL6mutxFhokMVqD8d4PzvXEcx6bobpWuW4UwloQ8LAcRCgDXUKmwbHGcMfD5a3dbXLiwFzmMfaI9ZCbE39_HBvw-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-410067493-1199203749=:72612" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800512.72612.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run. I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi, all:

I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run.

I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate.

Regards, Paul

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Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:05:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95943BEB0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 494743BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:38:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Message-id: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi - Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out tracks on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic Let me know what you think. Happy New Year! David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:23:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C103BEB9; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:23:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) DK, Very nice stuff indeed. A most pleasant alternative to football on New Year's Day. thanks! TK On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:38 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out =20= > tracks > on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy New Year! > > David Kirkdorffer tEd =AE KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A9A3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477AB048.6090206@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:27:36 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 References: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Nm87.A.H0H.LBreHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > if you were to pick between this 2 to record with > bands at home which one would you choose?what would be > the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i > currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am > being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about > 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx > having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would > seem easier to have a band just come in plug their > instruments directly and go at it.My other question > is,because of my room space i would probably have to > run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any > effect on latency? Hello, I actually have the rme fireface 800 as well as the onyx 1640. I find that the onyx is great for mixing live music if you need to do a show, and if you want to record that live performance the onyx makes that really simple and it does have pretty nice preamps in it. For actual recording projects which might include overdubs or adding extra tracks where you need to hear a mix of live instruments and recorded tracks, the rme 800 is much more capable. The flexibility and power of totalmix is amazing. Also I find that the rme 800 has not only better preamps, but the converters seem much nicer to me which is even more important for good recording quality. This is why I bought the rme 800: better converters, better preamps, totalmix's powerful flexible routing, and rme's reputation for stable quality software drivers. So if you just want to record the inputs of your mixer live the onyx is great. If you want better preamps and much better A/D and D/A converters along with much more powerful routing capabilities the rme 800 is the winner. When I want the best quality that I can get and I run out of mic inputs on the fireface, I run cables from inserts on the onyx to line inputs on the fireface and that allows me to use the fireface's converters with more mics. For recording bands at home you might need some sort of solution like this since the fireface only has 4 mic inputs. I don't technically know how the firewire cable affects latency, but I would suspect that the effect will be negligible. I imagine that you will have dropouts or other problems if the cable is too long rather than added latency, but I'm not sure. Peace, - Sam Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448393BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:48:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Powered Subs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) At 1:05 PM -0700 1/1/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice >in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy >two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at >$600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice >piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. One more consideration you might want to take into account. From what I've observed on occasion, if you walk up to your average listener (non-musician, non-engineer) and tell them they can't locate the direction of the bass tones, they'll look at you funny and go "huh...?!?". Then, once you explain to them in very simple and easily-understood terms that laboratories have asserted the human brain can't distinguish the direction of lower frequencies, you'll find that, for the most part, they won't then echo-locate that tonal range any longer. My suspicion is that in the real world it is actually far easier to locate which side of the "stage" on which the bass is placed. Unfortunately, a lot of times we put a bit too much credence in what the lab results tell us what *should* be happening, rather than what our own ears tell us actually *is* happening. And that difference in results between spatial imaging tests in the lab vs. the field may very well be because it is rarely that the bass component of the music is composed only of frequencies that can't easily be placed. (Aside: ever try to echo locate a pure sine in a room at ANY given frequency? Gets confusing fast, if you're not in a purely anechoic environment.) Regardless, unless you're using a sub purely in its most technical form (as Per pointed out in an earlier conversation, the term "sub-woofer" should really apply to speakers handling only frequencies below about the 50-60 Hz range; otherwise, normal bass frequencies (~50-200 Hz) are handled by the woofer, not the sub-woofer), I'd argue that most bass can actually be echo-located rather easily, and perhaps it's worth investing in two "subs" rather than one. If your current woofers are truly flat all the way down to ~40-50 Hz, then you could be good with a single sub. Too often though, I've seen people (myself included) grab a sub merely to compensate for a lack of low end, and end up flattening any stereo imaging there might have been in the bass spectrum. Of course, if the stereo spread for your environment doesn't matter, then this is a moot point. Otherwise, you might take it as food for thought. --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053AD3BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMsevbLdXq7Rp9TwOBGXJyP6ULtwAEriVw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbf9d02000000b656.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can reproduce. But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, rather than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full impact. Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can really make a huge difference. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:35:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014043BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:33:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c84cc6$51535330$f3f9f990$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMwFcsCAWJ4ZqqQ1iqTxOCBjcsuQABbvtg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc08a02310000b71b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) More on the acoustics.. if you sit in a club next to a hard wall (e.g. brick or stone), you will get a much larger dose of low frequencies than if you are sitting in the middle of the room. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06813BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Subject: RE: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:35:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c84cc6$ae7c5ac0$0b751040$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMvNFaUiaoO2x0RGG4gjEH3umiDQACb+bw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc12602000000b7c6.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) I agree, very nice! Listening to "09099" right now - love it:-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace DK, Very nice stuff indeed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:50:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88773BED0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boise Experimental Music Festival on MySpace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:50:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here you go (self-explanatory). http://www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfestival Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:39:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC) True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by "it". For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can > reproduce. > > But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. > the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, > rather > than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even > on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain > into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full > impact. > Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. > This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can > really > make a huge difference. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker" > [snip] > > Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded > last > > year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that > were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out > the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using > max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in > the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home > theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I > will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice > SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm > afraid > I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's > festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good > choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy > two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, > only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear > that will deliver low end for years and years. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 00:48:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D57203BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <6d2241ac911d218645f6cd0d2f570540@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival on MySpace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:48:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Cool Kris! That should give the fest a little more profile. Cheers, Ted On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here you go (self-explanatory). > http://www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfestival > =A0 > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 00:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E743D3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMz+HIhX51GDSMTg+mvk9yHlQp+QABOdfg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De1a402210000d7f7.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I think the danger you refer to would not be from the frequency itself, but from overdriving gain in an attempt to hear the low frequency better. This could result in clipping the amp that would cause serious damage to the speaker driver (not to mention your eardrums) If my understanding and experience are correct, the 10hz signal simply would not be reproduced by the 1x12, since the circuitry probably rolls off considerably below ~70hz I imagine the EV's (great speakers!) may have clip protection designed in. A rule of thumb is to have power amp that is 1.5 -2X the rating of the speaker you are driving. A speaker/cabinet rated at 150w/channel would benefit from an amp rated at 200-300w/chnl. This is to ensure plenty of headroom for the amp so it doesn't clip. Another point to keep in mind is that the reproduction of low frequencies requires a lot more amplifier power. That's why the subs often come with 400w power amps. BagEnd www.bagend.com makes a powered sub with integrated ELF processing, capable of reproducing 8hz. Click on Tech Library in the left menu, then read about InfraSub if you'd like a better explanation. One of the advantages of their design is that the cabinets are surprisingly small. I have some of their PA speakers, including an ELF sub, and can attest to the very high quality audio - both for studio/home theater, and sound reinforcement (which is the type I have). -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by "it". For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can > reproduce. > > But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. > the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, > rather > than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even > on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain > into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full > impact. > Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. > This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can > really > make a huge difference. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker" > [snip] > > Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded > last > > year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that > were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out > the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using > max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in > the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home > theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I > will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice > SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm > afraid > I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's > festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good > choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy > two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, > only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear > that will deliver low end for years and years. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7243BED3; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <196a01c84cdd$ee1a3f00$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:22:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Here is my point, which I probabl didn't make clear. We may not be able to hear 10hz, but I can produce it in my gear, sent it to my 12" cab, and make the cone pop out of the speaker with enough gain. I'd rather divert that energy to a sub, not my precious 12" powered cabs. Kris > If my understanding and experience are correct, the 10hz signal simply > would > not be reproduced by the 1x12, since the circuitry probably rolls off > considerably below ~70hz I imagine the EV's (great speakers!) may have > clip protection designed in. > > A rule of thumb is to have power amp that is 1.5 -2X the rating of the > speaker you are driving. A speaker/cabinet rated at 150w/channel would > benefit from an amp rated at 200-300w/chnl. This is to ensure plenty of > headroom for the amp so it doesn't clip. > > Another point to keep in mind is that the reproduction of low frequencies > requires a lot more amplifier power. That's why the subs often come with > 400w power amps. > > BagEnd www.bagend.com makes a powered sub with integrated ELF processing, > capable of reproducing 8hz. Click on Tech Library in the left menu, then > read about InfraSub if you'd like a better explanation. One of the > advantages of their design is that the cabinets are surprisingly small. > I > have some of their PA speakers, including an ELF sub, and can attest to > the > very high quality audio - both for studio/home theater, and sound > reinforcement (which is the type I have). > -Qua > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I > could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the > volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone > right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by > "it". > > For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can >> reproduce. >> >> But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. >> the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, >> rather >> than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end >> even >> on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your >> brain >> into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full >> impact. >> Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. >> This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can >> really >> make a huge difference. >> >> -Qua >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Powered Subs >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Walker" >> [snip] >> >> Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded >> last >> >> year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that >> were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping >> out >> the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys >> using >> max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in >> the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home >> theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, >> I >> will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice >> SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm >> afraid >> I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's >> festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good >> choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy >> two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, >> only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear >> that will deliver low end for years and years. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E5C3BED3; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> In-Reply-To: <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: recording LF Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01c84cdf$5c966fc0$15c34f40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMz+HIhX51GDSMTg+mvk9yHlQp+QABOdfgAAIr82A= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dea8b1e080000e118.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <8rho-D.A.agE.2oueHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) For found-sound recording of low-frequency material, your mics and record/storage(wav, mp3)/playback and the entire audio chain would need to do a good job at these frequencies. The spec on my Edirol R-09 handheld recorder says 20 Hz to 22 kHz, but I wonder ... I'm not set up to test it right now . Anyone have experience recording low-freq sounds? What kinds LF sources have you tried to record? trick/tips for this kind of recording? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:42:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09B03BED6; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:42:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <4BTXKB.A.q2E.dwueHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course of several responses the original question gets over-engineered and distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and the context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections to the Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really attractive stereo sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 02:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B46D3BECD; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Powered Subs X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:52 -0500 References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) I played a gig a few weeks ago at an Irish Pub that the owner (being a player himself) had outfitted with a Mackie Sub. My wife, whom hadn't attended a gig in over a year, commented that I sounded HUGE. Not to steer the conversation in a very different and inappropriate direction, but if you are willing to carry one, get one. It is an impressive and awe-inspiring moment when you hit that low D with a sub hitting the patrons in the chest. Very cool. On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I > hope you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. > > So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It > cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the > course of several responses the original question gets over- > engineered and distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and > ended up with a discussion over whether I even needed them. Of > course, there is no debate for me on whether I need one, given the > sound I am after and the context. That is a done deal. I haven't > seen any major objections to the Mackie, so I may go with that > option, unless a really attractive stereo sub option comes up that > can delivery enough juice. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 02:30:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CEC43BED0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zF0vJnagBbKsVt/22PFImP9+NHrUHt9L//JmLUM+iMT9+AVnWOMs2N/QMabXK7UVMyOSA3qi9+JEpLst/u4Nzeg3SULrZsmYzVQ00kc4Mz+MBLIAwsj+/HYVXvd181xN+lqCch0bzxX2E0cdWsnD0hci2hyAFH6/bKu2PHzUrMw=; X-YMail-OSG: 1KsPqIgVM1niUMtzIgkgddOF6CNGi9Bni9z96fIHwezH1uAIbJEabNKgQXjeqCUU4qi59KecSzHW6f_3siqnw3XUCpWjugtyOa_QCCEhSAbP6flYJXkvPYvKz4JPRA-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: powered subs To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <103981.71138.qm@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC) howdy, Ah yes, I remember it well. We were a house band at a country/western(fake cowboys) club in tacoma. It was an "L" shaped room. One side of the room sounded perfect, while the other side was a HUGE bass room the further back you went. Next to the back wall, we had what "seemed" to be a powered sub-woof when in fact all there was were the room a coustics in action. Fascinating actually. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:15:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377433BED2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:15:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Exellent. That's what I wanted to hear. HUGE is what I'm after. When I'm using a max patch to generate multi-octaves (24 down and lower), delays, etc...I want it to sound like a volcano. I have a local friend who has been playing bars and private gigs for years and years...mostly country and southern fried rock. He used just about all the subs out there, and runs a really big PA. I used to run sound for him years ago. He just recommended that Mackie too. I'll start with one, and if I get really ambitious, I may buy another later in the year so that I can run them in stereo (thought using just one should not be a show stopper). Kris ----- Original Message ----- >I played a gig a few weeks ago at an Irish Pub that the owner (being a >player himself) had outfitted with a Mackie Sub. My wife, whom hadn't >attended a gig in over a year, commented that I sounded HUGE. Not to >steer the conversation in a very different and inappropriate direction, >but if you are willing to carry one, get one. It is an impressive and >awe-inspiring moment when you hit that low D with a sub hitting the >patrons in the chest. Very cool. > > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope >> you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. >> >> So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It >> cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course of >> several responses the original question gets over- engineered and >> distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a >> discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no >> debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and the >> context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections to the >> Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really attractive stereo >> sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. >> >> Kris >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:18:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FC43BECF; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19b701c84cee$19cd9510$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004b01c84c87$29596700$6501a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Release Notice: rainer thelonius balthasar straschill: "Weird Specialist" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:18:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:18:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent, Rainer. Listening to it now. I like the variety of style and = feel on this one. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 rainer thelonius balthasar straschill Weird Specialist Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' great pleasure to = announce yet another album release: Weird Specialist contains material by Straschill from the timespan of = early 2004 (just after the release of the last solo album Neinnein auf = dem kleinen Weg) up to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, = the material consists solely of freely improvised music using live = looping technology. As this is album is a set of material created independently of each = other from a time span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming = from different sources - in addition the studio tracks, we find two live = tracks from the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival and an outtrack = from a kybermusik session - the approach seems just like that of a = "compilation" album. It is obviously due to the skill of the editing = "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of building blocks (the title = track alone consists of ten individual recordings) form a homogenous, if = slightly whimsical whole. As with the last release, this album is available as a free download = from www.jamendo.com - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, = as well as any comments and online reviews. And those people who = actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted by the cover art, = which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done by Anna Bejenke. And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect start into the new year = with that music, your weird specialist, Rainer www.moinlabs.de www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill video.google.de/videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Excellent, Rainer. Listening to it=20 now. I like the variety of style and feel on this = one.

Kris

----- Original Message -----

rainer thelonius balthasar=20 straschill

Weird=20 Specialist

Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' = great=20 pleasure to announce yet another album = release:

Weird Specialist = contains=20 material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the = release=20 of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg) up=20 to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material = consists=20 solely of freely improvised music using live looping=20 technology.

As this is=20 album is a set of material created independently of each other from a = time=20 span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different = sources -=20 in addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live = Looping=20 Festival and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - = the=20 approach seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is = obviously due to=20 the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of = building blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual = recordings)=20 form a homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole.

As with the=20 last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com - donations will=20 nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any comments and online = reviews.=20 And those people who actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted = by the=20 cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been = done by Anna=20 Bejenke.

And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect = start into the=20 new year with that music,

your weird = specialist,

&nbs= p; =20 Rainer

www.moinlabs.de

www.jamendo.com/en/a= rtist/straschill

video.google.de/= videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs
------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:36:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CBB3BED0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=FSXkpOU4bR4Fmv5yPJUPsXzOfbuVnecGJG4nKLOBUyA=; b=ruUpzBEk7Oj1rkOJDWU01okhk3rMZmwPWJmXd4tFmwK4dYF+0Mk+hAvK+AUzG5w3+oNQY+vXyL3bb3JC1no8QehE3Ki4In2Ljg5h9XW3A/TedPkkDqWKQDGuOc/Svq4Sphfodo/HaaWzaC90Y4LYXZ9bQb8P/97NM4RrXitOLXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=NDyapZqJiHPREMiP2vurbPEr5EHJOtqw/eLVzFFoNQDxNW+j7I3SWaKIx3Ko46VMn09QePhq/dIMorqMx2Ji8FAp/tRVwTIlx4PCiuPkSOguE57p7nd2tvrCsmYnOrKfZVlYDFeRihVSzUPXy/cuCjyjd653eKIQYQ3odrUU3bA= Message-ID: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:36:28 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: recording LF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e700cc259a3bbea Resent-Message-ID: <1Zwl6.A.NND.8aweHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:36:29 +0000 (UTC) I've not yet tried LF, but have had some degree of success capturing ultrasonics at 192khz with gear rated 20-20k... keep in mind that those specs usually mean +/-1 or 3 dB, not a brickwall limit. Hell, the Vortex is reported to only 14khz :) I put together a small woofer mic out of an old 6" cone this week and haven't messed with it much yet, but might try some LF experiments later. Passive lowpass filtering before recording is probably a good idea in order to get levels tolerable. And if getting serious, it might be smart to look into wide bandwidth scientific filters that are known to turn up on eBay. My biggest concern is that the transformer I put into the mic might need to be bypassed. We'll see. >The spec on my Edirol R-09 handheld recorder says 20 Hz to 22 kHz, but I >wonder ... I'm not set up to test it right now . Anyone have experience >recording low-freq sounds? What kinds LF sources have you tried to record? >trick/tips for this kind of recording? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 05:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEFD3BEAC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:47:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Powered Subs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) At 8:15 PM -0700 1/1/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I'll start with one, and if I get really ambitious, I may buy >another later in the year so that I can run them in stereo (thought >using just one should not be a show stopper). +1! ;) I really think that'll do you better in the long run.... --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 05:59:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3433F3BEC2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:59:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: recording LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:59:21 +0000 (UTC) At 10:36 PM -0500 1/1/08, Ryan Reid wrote: >I've not yet tried LF, but have had some degree of success capturing >ultrasonics at 192khz with gear rated 20-20k... keep in mind that >those specs usually mean +/-1 or 3 dB, not a brickwall limit. Hell, >the Vortex is reported to only 14khz :) You make a good point, although you should keep in mind that there aren't too many pieces of analog equipment (and I'm talking physical things like mics, speakers, and even cables) that can really fully transmit frequencies above about 60khz, so 192k might be a little overkill. :) Also, don't forget that it's possible for two frequencies within a given range limit to produce frequencies outside it, and vice versa. Frequency intermodulation causes additive and subtractive frequencies to appear. So it's entirely possible that this could be a part of what you're hearing. >I put together a small woofer mic out of an old 6" cone this week Sweet! I just saw a photo in one of the typical musical rags last month, where a studio had constructed a kick drum mic out of an old woofer from an NS-10. Let us know how well it works! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:16:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AFDE3BEB0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:16:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I made my post kind of as an alternative to people who are doing the lions share of gigs that we are involved in and wanted to present an inexpensive alternative. On my own budget I just have to continually keep price in mind so this was a simple, elegant and inexpensive solution. However, I would never give this advice to someone investing in a P.A. for an event as big as the BEMF (though I have done a gig at the ATTIC in Santa Cruz which was the equivalent of the size of the venue for BEMF 1 & 2 with my little inexpensive rig). Actually, after reading everything, I wonder if the JBLS that Stan recommended would do the job. BEMF was fantastic by the way and the sound (and especially the brilliant sound engineer) were incredible). I do personally think that less volume could easily have been used during that event, but I am tending to be really on the conservative side of volume in mixing , especially as my own ears are tending to get worse and worse from really, really loud bass of early life rock and roll gigs. You are young enough that weight probably is not a factor, but trust me, it will become more so as you get older so that's a factor. The JBLs that Stan recommended attracted me and I tend to be in my brother Bill's camp about the overuse and abuse of subsonic frequencies in modern day mixes. So, all said and done, I hear why you want what you want and it seems wonderful and legitimate. I'm only going to be a little heartbroken that BEMF will coincide with the Scandanavian Live Looping Festivals that I'm involved with for next year. It'll be the first one I've missed...... :-( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:37:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4543BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:37:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick. I'm still sort of considering those JBLs too, mainly because I could run stereo and I could mount my main speakers on top of them. They would match well together. I just don't know enough about the JBL subs, etc. I am going down to Guitar Center tomorrow to talk to them and see what else they have. Regarding the weight of the Mackie...oh yeah, after a back surgery two years ago and constant back problems, I don't plan on lifting that bad boy. I'm bring someone over to lift it for me. The nice thing about the Mackie is that if I decided to buy a second one, I would be positioned to do somer really big shows with serious low end. I agree that lower volume can be just as effective. Part of the reason why I want a sub is separation. Bill had expressed some doubt regarding why anyone would want a sub, vs just using a full range powered speaker. For me, the answer is simple (a rhetorical question), why do many high end home theaters and home sound systems have powered subs? Why woudl they buy those expensive subs if it made no difference or only muddied things up? They wouldn't/ Because it is about separation, control, and fidelity. I don't want major low end going through my mains. I want clarity in mid range and highs, separate from low end. I'd rather not work my mains that hard, especially if I do need to increase volume in a large venue. The other reason, is that I just love low end! When used effectively, it can be powerful and moving. Some interesting things happen in those nether frequencies. :) And I agree with Bill that some people abuse low end. I have seen really high end PAs, three way, stereo, all separate amps, cross-overs, etc, etc...sound like crap or wonderful, depending on the ear of the sound person. There is no reason why a two powered mains and a single high end sub can't sound kickass and have an edge over just the powered mains. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 08:44:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E52B83BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5be1dae3-fe89-4a64-b1c6-7cd6d85d0beb_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.211] From: samba - To: Subject: Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:44:34 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080101150102.760203BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080101150102.760203BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2008 08:44:34.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[B35188E0:01C84D1B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:44:40 +0000 (UTC) --_5be1dae3-fe89-4a64-b1c6-7cd6d85d0beb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I play a bunch of summer festivals that have multiple stages, and also vari= ous electronic dance music gigs in warehouses and ballrooms all year. I fin= d the current fad for overpowereing subs horrendously unpleasant . one fest= I was at this year there were half a dozen stages and the bass was bleedin= g between all of them at once, causing all kinds of weird resonances, wande= ring beams, and transients peaks. For some reason people set the subs on o= r under the stages,instead of isolating them so there's acoustic coupling,t= he low end is turned up to distort and it all begins to feel like my head i= s inside a steel drum that's being pounded on by a gang of 12 year olds Th= ere are people who seek this experience and there are DJs famous for their = bass overload,though that's not what they call it. Some like it distorted e= nough that the pitch can't be distinguished,which makes the chord it's unde= r difficult to impossible to identify. I was playing in 10 piece w/ violin,= cello, flutes, sitar,harmonium, keys, percussion,8 voice harmonies and we= had that shit washing over us from 3 other stages.It was live audio tortur= e. It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our huma= nity. Albert Einstein http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3Dshopping _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox = 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/= --_5be1dae3-fe89-4a64-b1c6-7cd6d85d0beb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I play a bunch of summer festivals that have multiple stages, and also vari= ous electronic dance music gigs in warehouses and ballrooms all year. I fin= d the current fad for overpowereing subs horrendously unpleasant . one fest= I was at this year there were half a dozen stages and the bass was bleedin= g between all of them at once, causing all kinds of weird resonances, wande= ring beams, and transients peaks. For some reason people set the subs= on or under the stages,instead of isolating them so there's acoustic coupl= ing,the low end is turned up to distort and it all begins to feel like my h= ead is inside a steel drum that's being pounded on by a gang of 12 ye= ar olds There are people who seek this experience and there are DJs famous = for their bass overload,though that's not what they call it. Some like it d= istorted enough that the pitch can't be distinguished,which makes the chord= it's under difficult to impossible to identify. 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Get it now!= = --_5be1dae3-fe89-4a64-b1c6-7cd6d85d0beb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:40:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEA43BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:40:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm seriously thinking about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of 1) what's out there 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) The elements I'm interested in purchasing are: 1) IN EAR MONITORS 2) A WIRELESS SYSTEM to amplify them 3) A SMALL HEADPHONE MIXER THAT WILL LET ME MIX MY OWN SOUND against the sound of whoever I"m playing with Would you all please help me out and let me know your recommendations for all of these things? ******** ******** ******** What Bob pointed out, and the reason that I"m suddenly very, very interested is that with a conventional mix, one frequently needs to hear one's own mix a little louder than the person(s) they are playing with. What occurs is that with a shared single monitor feed (which becomes necessary if one wants to utilize all of one's available AUX sends on a typical mixing board for all the signal processing we use) If you turn up so that you are audible, you are too loud for your partner(s) and frequently, for the house mix. With the use of a small headphone amp and either wired or wireless in ear monitors, Bob told me that he is able to take one feed from the board and then his own personal feed and adjust it to whatever volume he is comfortable with. Additionally, this eliminates all of the monitor bleed into one's acoustic mic loops (a huge problem in using more than a couple of loops live for me). Additionally, because they are 'in ear', Bob said that you don't have to kill yourself with volume.............you can just choose whatever volume you need. The last gig I did with my brother (looping for a political fundraiser? how cool is that?) I kept having a hard time hearing the detail I needed out of my percussion loops and yet I know that I kept frustrating him with volumes that tended to be over the top and dominating. What are your experiences with this concept. Other than price............is there any downside to it all? Thanks for your experience in advance and HAPPY NEW YEARS everyone!!!! Rick Walker aka looppool www.looppool.info for video work and abstract electronica www.youtube.com/looppool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:42:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32753BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=0xkeegmPbm1qSiC3WATtlYZnMbtbH+OtFfwfzOuMVZo=; b=d6I1BTsFa6PcTc9+PvlJ33UlBYgi0DrRR27tfUsO2FJqVWRow+50uO8TODtBmlQ3Dqv8F7MKQBcCkw6bj4mu6ewXd1DvnY2EbTZysJ+r8887oPmJDMlEw1otItlBLMBpzyu/9oQMDXZtNsIPuUkDfKPZfmWY1qj5OOaghUQf7O4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=RH0pTdANns8YmerJPPClvNKFIG+rc6xMua7r1unI8yMKCbkrm9U1+o5Sq9tLDMayPU9Q0R5HqPuYsPaUjbmOJcnmX2PpEZhx7dSJM8TTgOHKJnX2v0SJ9yS30tzh6RU5p825tCEUfE3EbRttawlIOExjjJozduTTeQoRhhbI3QM= Message-ID: <538a41560801020142k7c13a6bcreb22ad979a84e5fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 04:42:43 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: re: Recording LF (and ultrasound) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6897c3f77f81ed9f Resent-Message-ID: <1HqyH.A.xAC.Xy1eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: >you should keep in mind that there aren't too many pieces of analog >equipment (and I'm talking physical things like mics, speakers, and >even cables) that can really fully transmit frequencies above about 60khz, >so 192k might be a little overkill. :) Well, I should have been more specific - I meant a 192khz sample rate in recording, so that Nyquist wouldn't clamp things too much, and so that recordings could be pitched down to audible range without significant aliasing. I first plugged my (now in need of a fuse from a unrelated accident :/ ) signal generator direct into my Focusrite Saffire I/O. NOT RECOMMENDED WITHOUT A 1:1 WIDEBAND TRANSFORMER but it went alright for me. I didn't pitch this down, but just viewed a sweep in Adobe Audition's spectral display. Sure enough, it made it up to around 90kHz, though of course with signal loss and noise. I then tried my M-Audio condenser mic on a few instruments and household sounds. Not many ultrasonic harmonics showed up except in percussive transients - my glockenspiel struck with metal mallets really spiked up there. An electric toothbrush showed a nice range. Unfortunately, I conducted all of this in a hurry while needing to get back to work writing a paper, so I couldn't be too thorough. What is certain is that recording at 192khz and pitching down provides some amazing results - my piano simply sounded as though it had been played at a lower octave, the glockenspiel changed into gorgeous bells (sans the harsh transients - will use rubber/cloth-covered mallets next time), and the toothbrush turned into an absolutely convincing helicopter - the mic's proximity effect providing full-on doppler effect. I should have a few ultrasonic transducers in the mail sometime this week actually and hope to do some more exploring - I imagine I'll get a lot more sticking them outside the window than from anywhere inside. We'll just have to wait and see. Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop or decent portable recorder to go on any full-on expeditions with at the moment. As for the woofer mic, I haven't done much testing yet. I don't actually have many bassy instruments and it was more to have fun with, and perhaps getting some low end vocals for multitracking. I was mistaken earlier - it's actually a 5" woofer from an old Altec Lansing computer sub. I mounted it into a PVC joint with the plan of stuffing the inside with foam before sealing. Oddly enough, I got a lot more volume from the magnet-end of the mic, even with foam in front of it! I'm not sure why that is, but I'll just have to play with it some more. Will report later! I'd had the idea before, but got motivated when I saw this: http://theogre.home.bresnan.net/kickit Take care, Ryan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:10:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153073BECF; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=62pp1Iexj/YcIFgJ7qdj2OIA1HdBbSkJqtrPYTxVg4k=; b=svwTj57UeJi2SmnqAh+TE09krUaSKhdSD7pzj6jbFEgWcANn1TgCWNaBzznhBP7SRU4+KBnn6e6rXLJ49lsQNOtFAvrOoLncxA1/ttMAzboYWR2s/xXkOHlbm6xV9mSVtsUesVbnHL7bPfxTASYLxEnCgifitnJ6g4EnS3GFP0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JB7oMhkPeZSTKcWGZe05i+N7Gp7Kj/Cd0FECqtmqFX/LaNazLYO2ZnM/ZtouSKfwKSJyoM+9+BHxipHqwaVTCOJCdWUUdiM28Yqhp5+IsIhBoSoaSu4XQ2CywGYV8qn7MYRdy5NUvPOcRxTcRR87zlN+uMs6BoI86T0Nfi8jEio= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:10:05 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:10:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > /snipp-e-ti-snip/ > > What are your experiences with this concept. Other than > price............is there any downside to it all? > On some occasions, when playing live looping music together with other people, I have popped a pair of normal in ear iPod phones into my audio interface's phones output. This is particularly handy when I use my FireFace400 that has a hardware knob that can be set to any paramemeter, and for this use I keep that knob constantly set to the phones output level. I don't use the kind of phones that I like to listen to music with, ie phones that seal off external background noise. I'd rather use phones that still lets me hear the full high frequencies from the external (house PA or acoustic stage monitoring) audio. In this way I need just three seconds to balance my own (in ear) rig monitoring to what I hear leaking through the in ear phones. I have been thinking of expanding this with a wireless system in the future, but I can't afford that right now. The only downside I can think of is that you look a bit dorky with those cables hanging out of your ears. And in my case, with no wireless, you can not move around much. Hmmm... forget about that last remark - you're pretty glued to your FCB1010 stage spot anyway ;-) Although I don't use a mixer I'm never the less doing all that aux sending, feedback looping etc in the software. So I guess my tip would be useful with a physical/analog mixer too, given you simply duplicate your mixers master output through a volume control into the phones. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

/snipp-e-ti-snip/

What are your experiences with this concept. Other than
price............is there any downside to it all?

On some occasions, when playing live looping music together with other people, I have popped a pair of normal in ear iPod phones into my audio interface's phones output. This is particularly handy when I use my FireFace400 that has a hardware knob that can be set to any paramemeter, and for this use I keep that knob constantly set to the phones output level. I don't use the kind of phones that I like to listen to music with, ie phones that seal off external background noise. I'd rather use phones that still lets me hear the full high frequencies from the external (house PA or acoustic stage monitoring) audio. In this way I need just three seconds to balance my own (in ear) rig monitoring to what I hear leaking through the in ear phones.

I have been thinking of expanding this with a wireless system in the future, but I can't afford that right now. The only downside I can think of is that you look a bit dorky with those cables hanging out of your ears. And in my case, with no wireless, you can not move around much. Hmmm... forget about that last remark - you're pretty glued to your FCB1010 stage spot anyway ;-)

Although I don't use a mixer I'm never the less doing all that aux sending, feedback looping etc in the software. So I guess my tip would be useful with a physical/analog mixer too, given you simply duplicate your mixers master output through a volume control into the phones.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:42:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C6DB3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hqpupbvQE1N8cT1B2BTC+UrTFBe/MiuVom5nWJVJ07vvLnEfqz5hQ6g1T4QbKqVprC+Z/maP7lJAxeVpAjq3Tug62sY+p8Gw5qWoHpTXsMQgSVFLOnYnZxGFwfE5g9C2wjYF1MMqyhnPmFbCIFONxeNB6We8zRVeMWAEinQV8Wc=; X-YMail-OSG: M._tqEkVM1lw9qt3txb5wRdE6hdfgieaK5knd_nr58SADhs66KldjC6sDhwDmu19yIwFVsqu_m77dZc6noCFIv1DtxFCykSnko.3pYQ6wjepmdp3XkM- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <100971.64963.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3wQZsC.A.iWE.Vq2eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:42:30 +0000 (UTC) David beautiful man! how are you doing those sondscapes on homeward, guitar synths? cheers Luis --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > Just a quick note for those who may be interested, > I've switched out tracks > on my UNDO myspace page: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy New Year! > > David Kirkdorffer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 11:00:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048AB3BEB8; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025f01c84d2e$a7278ac0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <100971.64963.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Virtual Repeater Software ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:00:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) News about the Virtual Repeater Software ? It was announced a lot of months ago but - as usual for the Electrix company - there are "concrete" informations about when it will be on the market... Does someone have informations about the releasing date ? fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:43:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D893BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=WGf0gEutjnN7FxF+DLvtS54Qa1O+0F+6diP/ObBkyU8=; b=sjFJcbC9P7Ecb1m0NuoSX8EnEbBUCXf6CGC5oxyxoIa9GHjCqsAMtAvppReHa6GsSHJfzNynoaayAtAe4IgsKc1CBy77qxAx5/o6nGgMUHIxWKvGexY4GNq5sfmPZZ8ECUXqnNXNblCQUHKL1RMoxxHNibCYKbLgtTnDcllMaOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d4iAY0PRagwFkkqauocrS1fXqAnVSO0CHk/2Fl7IUUCKPfh6lZkIK5rg8FTLLE3KMQ2w7vRD86lQjh1f5RVW+iKGbt9iQz7NZZaIIJxQ+BaZHYhlS+KNWQdDohSKTvwZDBymWGeJQHPcKXcmOOIkRK9qg/nkXGcCGjfyaqnd8M8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:43:35 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Logelloop audio example MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:43:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi friends, Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 This music is the sounding result of the following actions: 1) Stepping "Record". 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point). 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy"). 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5. Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0. This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting! What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live). -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi friends,

Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example:
http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3

This music is the sounding result of the following actions:

1) Stepping "Record".
2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar.
3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts.
4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar).
5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point).
6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").
7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect.

The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used:

Track 1: Just a little FX1 send.
Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.
Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.
Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.
Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0.

This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:51:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106F73BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=EQVVCx1/Tb6rXO+/6afViJCrWYaJZ1bwzaQs4AmCNAkxDSygfBwldse3D77YV3N47vBUGjBkSuR2sTF0sRHwIjPm9OE+VCZ7NQjaf5XJTeFNMtq/ui6L/Y9Pzj+jZMDx4kBFD9gRji/6cpFxwJPVQ1O/gvO9yvfm/SRMZfn/wXo= ; X-YMail-OSG: Y58vgTUVM1nbyem3jeTq2a4nu24s9s3kClfyw7l0kxsrdsJlV2jItHIehg35VuQRsHy0myoBjcQ6mAEgFJUI5pVy436SkheFNVoKegB0.8v12gKh Message-ID: <001701c84d3e$32827260$4201a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Logelloop audio example Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080101-0, 01/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really enjoyed that! Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: loopers-delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Logelloop audio example Hi friends, Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I = recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example:=20 http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 This music is the sounding result of the following actions:=20 1) Stepping "Record".=20 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar.=20 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as = the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). = 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks = up to this point). 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this = track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE = EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").=20 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just = a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very = powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, = and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a = poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). = Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to = handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: =20 Track 1: Just a little FX1 send.=20 Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.=20 Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. = Volume 0.=20 This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it = gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the = typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!=20 What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called = in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does = Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that = because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of = sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).=20 --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Really enjoyed that!

Ricky

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per = Boysen=20
To: loopers-delight =

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, = 2008 12:43=20 PM

Subject: Logelloop audio = example

Hi friends,

Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop = I=20 recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an = example:

http://w= ww.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3

This music is the sounding result of the following = actions:

1) Stepping "Record".

2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one = bar.

3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar=20 starts.

4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every = bar (as=20 the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). = =20

5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four = tracks up=20 to this point).

6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars = (this=20 track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and = PRE=20 EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").

7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre = effect.

The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, = just a=20 few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very = powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost = instantly, and on=20 many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly=20 rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). = Finally I=20 must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the = recorded=20 loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used:

Track 1: Just a little FX1 send.

Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.

Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.

Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.

Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. = Reverse.=20 Volume 0.

This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I = hope it=20 gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the = typical=20 Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's = called in=20 Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does=20 Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that = because of=20 the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when = applied=20 to real-time processing (as when you play live).

-- =
Greetings=20 from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 901633BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:31:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-reply-to: <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda wrote: > > Correct, you don�t need to go stereo since the �separation� at the sub > 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a > sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. � but > probably net out to be more expensive. > Actually, Bose has perpetrated this myth all too well. Because the low frequencies involved *are* omnidirectional in nature, everyone believes this myth. However, the human ear does use arrival time in this frequency range in order to get some directional information. Robin Miller , who is an expert in multichannel sound, can play you a recording of a church pipe organ. Using only one subwoofer, it sounds OK since this is how most people hear it in typical sound systems. But using stereo subs, the recording opens up and becomes amazing, revealing details that usually are only heard in the original chuch environment while the pipe organ is being played. Having revealed that, however, for your performing needs, one sub is all that you'll need, Kris. I doubt that you have much directional information being produced in that frequency range. Out of curiosity, what is the lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a guitar? If so, then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order to get your point across! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:47:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F403BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:44:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-reply-to: <17493979.1199238657827.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <477B9552.3080707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <17493979.1199238657827.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <2Ymgz.A.4gD.sX5eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope > you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. > > So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It > cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course > of several responses the original question gets over-engineered and > distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a > discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no > debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and > the context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections > to the Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really > attractive stereo sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. I have used an earlier version of the Mackie at my Soundscapes Concerts and it worked quite well. Yes, I used only one sub. Its line outputs fed my power amp and JBL (unpowered) PA speakers. It filled a large hall without breaking a sweat or being overpowering. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:40:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548CF3BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qUojyxi/n+H+y3QjGK3aN7IVZ80+DVJI5JketeZDtYw=; b=ivyWKJKnm+CN4OuxRzgKznpyH1QL6+U/+5E0P9INbipBP9udqTyNv9bDRT0W2/sA69CrP041MbvBESRATmf1TDm39HWt28+E3i8aCn212Mh/9Gcrr0xqCYHysgv6uh9B1ffeKx6DStycrFOwRYNfx7jE22qDpPBOgDc1yKvuuAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eAiG8CucYtTMYva0M3s559ZQCJtWxAgwNW6iQbiroI+ZxXGxEIW5oIz/rcDnyHqI3xrlI6HeoHm/8yjJbrnHxYyvPBiyZoG0uoUzm18NY/BsUOwtXR8AS3Wr4T4Nngy24vY/hMkDYmb+2ca6Huv8IHKzU2Wx5rDOR+tHHSh+CzU= Message-ID: <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Rick, I've been using IEM's for probably 5 years now. Whether I use them all the time or some of the time depends on venue. I love the reliability of having them, but I love the fluidity between use and non-use. I have not come to rely on them but use them as any other looping tool in my arsenal, hardware or software, simply as needed and as enjoyed. I use the sennheiser evolution series for both IEMonitors and Wireless mic'ing (or direct line'ing), have never had a problem, and love what I have... http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/21510 For ears, I use the top of the line Ultimate Ears, and I do believe in ear molds, cuz they don't fall out., however, since I began 'using', they have improved options on their site... i would advise purchasing ears which allow you to control how much ambient sound can come in... Shutting out all the sound from the outside world does give an element of control, but unless you have mics set up in your mix for ambient room sound and audience, you'll miss it... Also, I just like to hear the sound my instruments are making naturally, as distinct from only through the mic channel. If I have money to throw at it, I'd get a pair of those.. Currently mine shut everything out. There are many many sets of ears out there, though, and I'm sure that Zoe and others on the list will have many suggestions from their experience. http://ultimateears.com Of all the things we use, this is one that I would advise not skimping on from a position of price. (okay, I lie, I feel that way about everything we use in our work, and I see myself as pretty money conscious) I personally think this particular Sennheiser product is the best you can get for before jumping up in price about 2000 dollars... But please realize that I work with a company who provides only wireless Mic'ing and Monitoring for major rock tours and Broadway shows, and time and time again, that's what they've told me. My sound man turned me on to these guys years ago and I've had really great luck. That said, I can also help you with securing a unit for considerably less than you would pay at a retail outlet, and have a very personable and wonderful ally there... Contact me offlist if you wish to pursue it. Good luck, Rick, it's a lovely tool to be exploring, and it changed my entire life when I committed to buying it instead of trying to get people to rent it on the gig... not only that, but it makes Skyping easier in the house too! (a great side benefit) And also, I use a direct sound 99.44 % of the time. With you, who (I think) HAS to use microphones a lot with your plethora of instruments, you can virtually eliminate that icky feedback thing with ambient noise in your loops. Though I've never heard that issue in your performances, how do you DO that.. lol All best to all. Todd On 1/2/08, Rick Walker wrote: > > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > 1) what's out there > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Rick,

I= 9;ve been using IEM's for probably 5 years now. Whether I use the= m all the time or some of the time depends on venue. I love the relia= bility of having them, but I love the fluidity between use and non-use. &nb= sp;I have not come to rely on them but use them as any other looping tool i= n my arsenal, hardware or software, simply as needed and as enjoyed.

I use the senn= heiser evolution series for both IEMonitors and Wireless mic'ing (or di= rect line'ing), have never had a problem, and love what I have... =

http://www.sennheiser.com/sen= nheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/21510

For ears, I use the top of the line = Ultimate Ears, and I do believe in ear molds, cuz they don't fall out.,= however, since I began 'using', they have improved options on thei= r site... i would advise purchasing ears which allow you to control how muc= h ambient sound can come in... Shutting out all the sound from the outside = world does give an element of control, but unless you have mics set up in y= our mix for ambient room sound and audience, you'll miss it... Also, I = just like to hear the sound my instruments are making naturally, as distinc= t from only through the mic channel. If I have money to throw at it, = I'd get a pair of those.. Currently mine shut everything out. The= re are many many sets of ears out there, though, and I'm sure that Zoe = and others on the list will have many suggestions from their experience.

http= ://ultimateears.com

Of all the things we use, this is on= e that I would advise not skimping on from a position of price. (okay= , I lie, I feel that way about everything we use in our work, and I see mys= elf as pretty money conscious) I personally think this particular Se= nnheiser product is the best you can get for before jumping up in price abo= ut 2000 dollars... But please realize that I work with a company who = provides only wireless Mic'ing and Monitoring for major rock tours and = Broadway shows, and time and time again, that's what they've told m= e. My sound man turned me on to these guys years ago and I've had reall= y great luck. That said, I can also help you with securing a unit fo= r considerably less than you would pay at a retail outlet, and have a very = personable and wonderful ally there... Contact me offlist if you wish= to pursue it.

Good luck, Rick, it's a lovely tool = to be exploring, and it changed my entire life when I committed to buying i= t instead of trying to get people to rent it on the gig... not only t= hat, but it makes Skyping easier in the house too! (a great side bene= fit)

And also, I use a direct sound 99.44 % o= f the time. With you, who (I think) HAS to use microphones a lot with= your plethora of instruments, you can virtually eliminate that icky feedba= ck thing with ambient noise in your loops. Though I've never heard that= issue in your performances, how do you DO that.. lol

All best to all.

Todd

O= n 1/2/08, Rick Walker < looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,&nb= sp; I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.
=
I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's = out there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting= high quality
3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi footcontroller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price)

--
http://www.toddreynolds.com       = ;            &n= bsp;|:
http://myspace.c= om/toddreynoldsmusic  |:
------------------------------------------------------|:
917.576.616= 6            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;
todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com

------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:44:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B20D3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:43:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_124089437==.ALT" Message-Id: <20080102144405.1A72A14DF1@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_124089437==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've worked with in ear monitors a fair bit. I like the shure e4 models, I haven't gone wireless because as Per noted already with the pedal boards etc. you're pretty much restricted to stay in one place. There are Big pluses to using in ear monitors, being that you can hear yourself better and you can keep those levels way down so not blowing out your ears in the process. The biggest disadvantage is that you can't hear people unless they are speaking into a mic that's tied into what you're monitoring. I do know one guy who for that reason uses a mono monitor in only one ear. happy new year, Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca >On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker ><looppool@cruzio.com> wrote: >After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm >seriously thinking >about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > >/snipp-e-ti-snip/ > >What are your experiences with this concept. Other than >price............is there any downside to it all? > > --=====================_124089437==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've worked with in ear monitors a fair bit. I like the shure e4 models, I haven't gone wireless because as Per noted already with the pedal boards etc. you're pretty much restricted to stay in one place. There are Big pluses to using in ear monitors, being that you can hear yourself better and you can keep those levels way down so not blowing out your ears in the process.

The biggest disadvantage is that you can't hear people unless they are speaking into a mic that's tied into what you're monitoring. I do know one guy who for that reason uses a mono monitor in only one ear.

happy new year,

Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca

On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm

seriously thinking

about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

/snipp-e-ti-snip/

What are your experiences with this concept. Other than

price............is there any downside to it all?

--=====================_124089437==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:38:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06963BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iOOZFg1/o8Q7RwmVJjVYlZIY5R1Q5jOm3beW4NvfFRg=; b=ShDaUuuOekp5Lx/xNx5Dawzb7GfaoHuWnzjNBAX4LsP909X/JXv8FzFfJGdVFdLehipVjAIGNWjm7hs3CTJxZvyyQs7ZwoO9nTfqj1J7xLnTGO0ENWFIVd/a3ZB5B/tk9bPc1DSxtK9xsuy1bAWQldKiu55xGn9zAIkB/jJJDb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sLbWKTbLD5iyKf3+j8lairNyxr6Ky+GOCOdD/U4hUU7vyZ12svmi/VDfVyC+c3X2bUzEnOUcAQ4NwsjdEadwHeEPst6S1n4LwBxc2u55xnFLnEMujmQ1aBrDZZjNiD5Zp8/JSISJSnakb4oK9WxuVs/Cu6nXJfVIdxDwS0443Kg= Message-ID: <4759e5740801020714m68636a2mc4014393c295da2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:14:17 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logelloop audio example In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165" References: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic Per, always love your sounds and recording quality and thankful you're putting this software through its paces! t. On 1/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > Hi friends, > > > Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I > recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 > > > > This music is the sounding result of the following actions: > > > 1) Stepping "Record". > 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. > 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. > 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the > Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). > 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to > this point). > 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this > track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE > EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy"). > 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. > > > The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a > few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very > powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and > on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly > rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I > must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the > recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: > > > Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. > Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. > Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. > Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5. > Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. > Volume 0. > > > This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it > gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical > Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting! > > > What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in > Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does > Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because > of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when > applied to real-time processing (as when you play live). > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic Per, always love your sounds and recording quality and thankful you're putting this software through its paces!

On 1/2/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends,

Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example:
http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3

This music is the sounding result of the following actions:

1) Stepping "Record".
2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar.
3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts.
4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar).
5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point).
6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").
7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect.

The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used:

Track 1: Just a little FX1 send.
Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.
Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.
Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.
Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0.

This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).

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Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)

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------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:39:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27AF3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:37:40 -0800 Message-ID: <007001c84d55$696b2e90$3c418bb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNCj95ptOqP/EeTrqBdZ5GIqEIlwASv39Q Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db09e088a00006205.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) One big advantage of the subs is that the overall volume levels can be lower without losing the low end support and 'hugeness'. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204A43BEB2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:06:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Really interesting, Bill. Yes, I was always suspicious of the claim that people can't hear the directional source of low frequencies. Even more surprising is comments from old school sound guys who say no one can tell whether you run stereo or mono through the mains...yes, maybe for a band who is all mono, but that would be a load of crap for today's electronic musicians (we all know that and experiences the beauty of stereo imaging). But back to the sub topic, I still may get two of the Mackies. I don't know about anyone else, but if someone like Jeff Kaiser is using a stereo pitch shifter in max (which I do on occasion as well), and he has the left side at +24 and the right side at -24 (and let's say he is playing a 200hz note), I can hear it in the subs. How can anyone not? The test is simple. Just run a sine wave into system, let's say 100hz, turn of the mid/high mains, and then do some hard panning of the subs. I can hear it. You asked: "Out of curiosity, what is the lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a > guitar? If so, then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order > > to get your point across! ;-)" As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. In fact sometimes, I will go force a drop from let say some note on a guitar, and drive to 0hz. Often times you can hear that happen in my system because there will be a few clicks. It's choking. :) In live apps, one may not be able to hear let's 15hz, but you can sure feel it. I would agree the feeling is probably not directional, but if I rise above to 100hz. I can tell the direction. I don't how any anyone could say not....wouldn't that imply that if if a guitarist striks he low E string, listeners could not tell the source, left or right? That seems absurd. Kris Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Actually, Bose has perpetrated this myth all too well. Because the low > frequencies involved *are* omnidirectional in nature, everyone believes > this myth. However, the human ear does use arrival time in this frequency > range in order to get some directional information. Robin Miller > , who is an expert in multichannel sound, can play > you a recording of a church pipe organ. Using only one subwoofer, it > sounds OK since this is how most people hear it in typical sound systems. > But using stereo subs, the recording opens up and becomes amazing, > revealing details that usually are only heard in the original chuch > environment while the pipe organ is being played. > > Having revealed that, however, for your performing needs, one sub is all > that you'll need, Kris. I doubt that you have much directional information > being produced in that frequency range. Out of curiosity, what is the > lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a guitar? If so, > then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order to get your > point across! ;-) > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:26:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2189E3BECC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkVXanQ= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:26:53 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c84d5c$48c529f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <477A5B22.9020203@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchMimX37JOTGtPtRleslQ+QMPVvSwA0ZcrA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:26:17 +0000 (UTC) > > (and make use of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed > > implementation).# > > not to say it isn't wonderful :-) > ..but it's not a "varispeed", > It's analogous to the speed remaining constant, but the > playback head moving. Damn...you're right! I thought I once did this varispeed effect with the DL4 (on a track where I only played effect boxes into each other), but after sitting down with the DL4 for some time finally remembered that it was a RDS2001. So I can't sell my SMM w/Hazari, because it's the only stompbox with varispeed I got (albeit only in looper mode). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:30:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C908A3BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: hearing stereo in live performance (was Powered Subs) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:28:03 -0800 Message-ID: <007c01c84d5c$74aec580$5e0c5080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNWbyAMePp9ZILSKe1meVLGNHMagAAaMZg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbc6d098300007a9f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) I agree, and am a proponent of stereo (or even surround) sound reinforcement. I would aim to achieve the best quality stereo sound for the listeners that I could afford - despite the fact that whether they can hear the separation is highly determined by room acoustics, and where the listeners are within the room. The room can cause all kinds of image smearing, amplitude changes (nodes), etc. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs ....In live apps, one may not be able to hear let's 15hz, but you can sure feel it. I would agree the feeling is probably not directional, but if I rise above to 100hz. I can tell the direction. I don't how any anyone could say not....wouldn't that imply that if if a guitarist striks he low E string, listeners could not tell the source, left or right? That seems absurd. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:33:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80E473BECD; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MbjSC1+SwGl+nF23rf72takoJ947zCbyq7+8BjudNoY=; b=QeHzrP4MTjPIH9SVCGusxYr7q4SHvRwhotOJQuo03SaLuhxGkSKOxHEUKHdEimyv4Q4PbN6Z2aTMN4kAE5d0DbRYuW0eUdKv8UUQX6OxESUHKBHbST96xN7SwQUZunfBC+F3zMUpeOeN3PNI392/WeHzJvyYLuXmOVxy/R2x+zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lbpg0iBYJ9aacIqSFHxw8Gw7BmErj2b3QvmG4KC9oZ5UxF/dRH8itAJ1l+BO2Ld0Uw5Pb9NsdzZs/sCmyemERKzVoRasRJGYoZQ5oiGVnjeoJrsdzSK1jnWm1aOseftqHHEpoPfXeGicPlUAYual8BcDycKc54H8ngQrlCwqS3g= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:27:41 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-Reply-To: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:33:59 +0000 (UTC) An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2EAC3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LolOby5L3WQuPfgqhzjueg71sCxD+0Ydbvci8i2AMxA=; b=Ch64Owk+DVeKLV7tztFfvIMs7nEH7e282cpC4LRz0H8CRuQgWsKGRVU/9AmeH8Wvrm1YXeIafLHqQr2hsY2xs9obt0BT7OCIdQP1qiyfYlCgFapaje/6q41UzwvVXWJRrXnGkp1J1g9N6eYRBgut2z2U2Bfg3EUHVv1YbyvsFjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZXkmKjzEazRdpuceD50/Kz4kE+iHb4jkbXD8ArZWB++f3q+ehKJlU8vLVPZHmhtLOTSimTaagKn66cJ7gR2XlXdtQOcReGIgq9Oi//y/RgvaNYUUF1g0rMCseQVjbfQWAISDLXaxGPwSSuC2m0tbK/hy7O0v+kWNha/k+3/SuHg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:35:53 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454" References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabswith 2k wattsapiece, and it was amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :) When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious. I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, > > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. > It > > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then > > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be > below > > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)

When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious.

I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the side windows...

<end of bass nerd gush fest>

On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:

An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz.

On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper,
> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It
> is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then
> apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below
> 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar.
>
>
>

--
---Miles Ward ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:51:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1993BEC1; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R0NimdY5oT8TQhzLH10A:9 a=Onv32n_RIQkt4orENdwA:7 a=C5DX7reS3SDy91M8IqTCbR4Xq7QA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 a=AwejN7ToCWegh0zanLcA:9 a=IGec1xMll5UFzLEuPxMA:7 a=Tv11W2KghDjGurFbHz1_sRVKZlcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:51:10 -0800 To: todd@toddreynolds.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online! i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them into my headphone mix. On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, > I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > 1) what's out there > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high > quality > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > --Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

i've used for the last 3 = years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they = were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i = love their headphones.

custom molded ears = haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s = so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave = them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they = aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. = the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes = online!

i = just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to = get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the = Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too = and put them into my headphone mix.

On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds = wrote:

After a recent = discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,=A0=A0I'm=A0
seriously = thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

I know = next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's out = there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high = quality=A0
3) if there = are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot
controller = is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low = price)
=A0

= --Apple-Mail-1--194545266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56AFB3BEB6; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qEuJIK0zsDvAzg7ByNEgVR8kB7XEh/x1QIlXvZeY2nw=; b=b54Y6fOtoFN8MbtsynQ1SI6fpFneQODoffHWCxb/eCnLTFlRgPvq6pPooidYAcEuQ4BJW8wy8+9Ic8IYNufWvxFqb5IdcnN1DEhI/tmbr+JJ7fVsJS5i0POuXb9yW3+DSKrROcUhH5XQkvpkh75u/+ivBp7BEqArRAekJFOVUnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ypv8jePvaK5lXJKijP04SCgRmDwH1kaEX5n5iUS9PxPaecYolwlNB9yf6mE1koL8YdV7Vj6qXbUmtapUNo9NcreFFovhUJG2xGNau0CqD7M9sBswaL2OQjelASk/klWne9LvWSc7kDfAPR0JejA705RXsCwkvuVf7sNgGCnTq+4= Message-ID: <4759e5740801021159w4e659b42te300f583ff3cf970@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:59:48 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3dzogB.A.3oD.40-eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:59:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, i find myself mixing from my motu as well, works like a million bucks, and it's great to have those results under MY hands instead of a club's length away at the sound desk. and you're right, the bass DOES get filled in nicely. Foam buds just have fallen out one too many times for me, no matter how efficiently I squish, but even so, I'm always trying a new pair just to see. and I agree, the ER-4s are indeed fantastic. The one thing I've really enjoyed about being wireless is attached to the portability of my instrument. Cuz i'm carrying the instrument around with me, I can feel assured that all effects and devices are on and inline, even when about to walk onstage.. great sense of security.. all best, zoe, Todd On 1/2/08, info at zoekeating wrote: > > > > > i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by > Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper > now. great company and i love their headphones. > > > custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that > come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i > tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less > when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother > me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online! > > > i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to > get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite > (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them > into my headphone mix. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > > seriously thinking > > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > > 1) what's out there > > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality > > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, i find myself mixing from my motu as well, works like a million bucks, and it's great to have those results under MY hands instead of a club's length away at the sound desk.

and you're right, the bass DOES get filled in nicely. Foam buds just have fallen out one too many times for me, no matter how efficiently I squish, but even so, I'm always trying a new pair just to see. and I agree, the ER-4s are indeed fantastic.

The one thing I've really enjoyed about being wireless is attached to the portability of my instrument. Cuz i'm carrying the instrument around with me, I can feel assured that all effects and devices are on and inline, even when about to walk onstage.. great sense of security..

all best, zoe, Todd

On 1/2/08, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com > wrote:

i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones.

custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online!

i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them into my headphone mix.

On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote:

After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's out there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality
3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot
controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price)

------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:54:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D9563BEC2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2485 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:54:06 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:09:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) At 11:51 AM -0800 1/2/08, info at zoekeating wrote: >i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by >Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly >cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. I have the less expensive ER-6s (around $125, I think). And when I had a problem with them they sent me a replacement set. I am very plpeased with Etymotic Research (www.etymotic.com). I use their earplugs, too. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:59:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E3E3BECC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:58:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s. I couldn't resist the = Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using these for would be = anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K square = feet?) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was amazing outside = on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on = sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that = Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp = during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's = serious low end, I like it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean = enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20 When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a = gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i = skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this = thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles = fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned = up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious.=20 I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer = for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity. = It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... =20 On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett = wrote: An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung = wrote: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max = (looper,=20 > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my = guitar. It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and = then > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It = would be below=20 > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > --=20 ---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just bought two of the powered Mackie = 1501s. I=20 couldn't resist the Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using = these for=20 would be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K = square=20 feet?)

Kris

----- Original Message -----

What=20 kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18=20 push-pull cabs with 2k=20 watts apiece, and it was amazing outside on an open field, = and=20 removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and = used=20 Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz = bassist)=20 used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our = campus and=20 remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough = pound=20 for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20

When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up = in a=20 gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i = skipped to=20 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is = going to=20 be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because = I=20 "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond = reasonable=20 levels.... Delicious.

I also conveniently had neutrik = speakon=20 connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this = subwoofer in=20 there was just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the = side=20 windows...

<end of bass nerd gush fest>

On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett = <travishartnett@gmail.com>= =20 wrote:

An=20 octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz.

On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung = <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop = processing via=20 max (looper,
> other octave effects) that completely = transform the=20 sound of my guitar. It
> is not uncommon for me to play a low = E on the=20 guitar (82.4hz), and then
> apply a two octave drop. I'm = not=20 sure what that would be. It would be below
> 41.2hz, which is = low E=20 on a bass=20 = guitar.
>
>
>

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---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:09:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069313BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZW2GjOgxKLsrwAh5uzTQ1ZwrJ3WM2DQIAeLzWtCS/g34DAUuwSxySZ3bvfXZivxA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5909895.1199308189907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4822570f4d1466ac075f9d57235c25010a1a036a86675380a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey! yer talkin my language :-) >S T A N O S A U R< -----Original Message----- >From: samba - >...Some like it distorted enough that the pitch can't be distinguished,which makes the chord it's under difficult to impossible to identify. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:21:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C16DF3BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:21:28 UTC Message-ID: <20080102151445.0rtm2csveo0ggoko@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:14:45 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <02VMBB.A.RGH.YBAfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Kris, You will love the subs. Another person mentioned that subs allow you to deliver a BIG sound at =20 moderate volume levels. That is precisely why I use them on my system. Incidentally, a 32' open pipe (Contra-low C) has a wavelength of 64' =20 at 1056/ft per second that equates to a frequency of 16.5hz. The =20 sound of a flue pipe is kind of like a tympani roll -- a reed pipe =20 sounds kind of like a motorboat. One does NOT need these huge pipes to play the organ -- but, oh man... =20 when they are there the sound is awesome! :) Enjoy those subs! -- Kevin Quoting Krispen Hartung : > I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s. I couldn't resist the =20 > Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using these for would =20 > be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K =20 > square feet?) > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > > > What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with =20 > was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was =20 > amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings =20 > indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound =20 > was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of =20 > these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and =20 > remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough =20 > pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take =20 > two :) > > When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a =20 > gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i =20 > skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think =20 > this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam =20 > ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs =20 > marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious. > > I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the =20 > subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was =20 > just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... > > > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote= : > > An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. > > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via =20 > max (looper, > > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of =20 > my guitar. It > > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and t= hen > > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It =20 > would be below > > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 22:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5693BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3653 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:48:48 UTC Message-ID: <380-22008132214755783@M2W035.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Powered Subs Resent-Message-ID: <4Zy7ZB.A.goD.QTBfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, congratulations! hope I get to hear you perform through these in the not= too distant future=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone=2Enet Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:58:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Powered Subs I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s=2E I couldn't resist the Gui= tar Center price=2E :) The rooms I would be using these for would be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K square feet=3F) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 What kinds of rooms Krispen=3F The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was amazing outside on a= n open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors=2E We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I lik= e it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20 When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skippe= d to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels=2E=2E=2E=2E Delicious=2E=20 I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for= my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity=2E It w= as an astro, and it would open the side windows=2E=2E=2E =20 On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wro= te: An octave below 41=2E2Hz would be 20=2E6Hz=2E On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrot= e: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper,=20 > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar=2E It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82=2E4hz), and= then > apply a two octave drop=2E I'm not sure what that would be=2E It wo= uld be below=20 > 41=2E2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar=2E > > > --=20 ---Miles Ward=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom - Microsoft=AE Exchange solutions from a leading provider -= http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/Exchange From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 00:15:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79543BEC7; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477C2972.6020204@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:16:50 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:15:00 +0000 (UTC) info at zoekeating wrote: > > > i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by > Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly > cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. I'll second Zoe's recommendation. I started using Etymotics recently and have been really happy with them. I'm using the cheaper version (ER-6), and even those have excellent definition and transparency. I was listening to some jazz I had transcribed a few years ago, and discovered I'd made a voicing mistake that was painfully evident through the ER-6s, though not through the studio headphones I used at the time. Impressive. One concern, though, is that they have tiny little acoustic filters that provide a measure of equalization. It's good to order a spare set, because they, um, fill up with earwax. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 04:13:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B793BEC2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.158] From: samba - To: Subject: subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:13:04 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 04:13:05.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[F042BE10:01C84DBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan ,I've heard your stuff at the loopfests-though always from outside ( = i do want my ears to last a few more years), and I definately dig what you= 're doing.I understand field effects you can only get at high volume level= s,as in the work of Glen Branca ,Hendrix of course ,who I heard live a few = times, Sonic Youth.When i heard SY live I stayed as far away form the mains= as I could physically get in the stadium w/ earplugs and it still hurt, bu= t I really dug what they did (except the quotidian 4/4 rock drumming,but t= hat's probably the only reference point for alot of their audience. Phil L= esh of the grateful dead ( love'em or hate'em,I don't care, but they were s= onic pioneers ) has done far more with subsonics than anyone else,playing t= hrough as many as 50, 15 in speakers,75k watts of power. and it was never p= ainful.=20 But in these scenes I was bitching about,the sunsonic distortion is in c= onflict with the aesthetics of the music being played . It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our huma= nity. Albert Einstein _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan ,I've heard your stuff at the loopfests-though always from outsi= de ( i do want my ears to last a few more years), and I definately di= g what you're doing.I understand field effects you can only get at hi= gh volume levels,as in the work of Glen Branca ,Hendrix of course ,who I he= ard live a few times, Sonic Youth.When i heard SY live I stayed as far away= form the mains as I could physically get in the stadium w/ earplugs and it= still hurt, but I really dug what they did (except the quotidian 4/4= rock drumming,but that's probably the only reference point for alot of the= ir audience. Phil Lesh of the grateful dead ( love'em or hate'em,I do= n't care, but they were sonic pioneers ) has done far more with subsonics t= han anyone else,playing through as many as 50, 15 in speakers,75k watts of = power. and it was never painful.
But in these scenes I was= bitching about,the sunsonic distortion is in conflict with the aesthetics = of the music being played .

It has become appal= lingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.
Albert Einstein

i=92m is proud to pres= ent Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. Learn more = --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 05:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9D33BECA; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <241c01c84dc6$977c7ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:07:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:07:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the approach Billy Shehan used to = use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of some bomb = simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of watts. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the = approach Billy=20 Shehan used to use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of = some=20 bomb simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of = watts.

Kris

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I agree - very funny. The keyboardplayer does Europes final coundown - doesen`t he ! Take I look at Eddie van Halen and Ozzy with Jake Lee. Their greate ! Rune F --- Rick Walker skrev: > Carlos Santana shredding: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE > > > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i ett. F� Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 06:45:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738E73BED6; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:45:45 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_" X-Originating-IP: [76.105.181.144] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:40:42 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 06:40:42.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FFE6030:01C84DD3] Resent-Message-ID: <7UzvJB.A.SOC.ZSIfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:45:45 +0000 (UTC) --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a crack up! At first I thought it was some awful glitch...I was had fo= r a minute Thank god Rick noted the "..funnier and funnier" part. I needed that J.D.Devros deafrose58 =20 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:34:19 -0800 >=20 > Carlos Santana shredding: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfNoZg9kl-zE >=20 >=20 > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox = 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/= --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a crack up! At first I thought it was some awful glitch...I was had fo= r a minute
Thank god Rick noted the "..funnier and funnier" part.<= br>I needed that

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The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an= Xbox 360 Console. Get it now! = --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 09:36:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610693BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=J12nBbJZU4uCnpiIcKHPHvuPxXbl6VqD54EY22TgShnGJWKP1wkA9N17e739oP73; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <29241185.1199352973208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48ff9c9acb611cee43a95d78ed097e60943396037c9e1b016b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: <08xF0.A.0P.NyKfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) hehe-yeah thats the ticket, Kris... w/out going into detail about my s o u n d-the parameters i set up before me involve regular guitars and regular amps and regular spkr cabs and then try to get thee lowest,deepest, biggest guitar sound that i can get. course i could get sound generators and oscillators and crown,macintosh power amps and p.a. systems-but it aint about that. s -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Jan 3, 2008 12:07 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: subs > >...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the approach Billy Shehan used to use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of some bomb simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of watts. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 11:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0673BEC2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:16:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <477CC3F8.9040200@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dosburg Online" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EST/GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:07:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687363BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=qAA9vybAuLGTzA9hLiYPpnGfHk9+0SerdisFCPDKpabP/tmfptLk/dgllqNAhdnddhWoVrDEyH9ZezPMniH8YPH/dhQY+cdJBMbGpmJtv4CjrtHnfvNlfvNISmFad4GbHEZjCipUvJvEa5YacXg8bRVLRgIS7gtbBDJWv7fcblI= ; X-YMail-OSG: LGzxkooVM1knHzkur7BtvibAd0DMy30G0lw80GhOtGsIiEEyt9EB1P8qrRkDKeeFDhWygfgyOajsDvPxFVhNVUeXRkrTWxSp2Sx6s5oArAF30NzBF7tYM745CcY- Message-ID: <002101c84e11$eb6cdd50$4201a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <612975.83370.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music - EVH Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080103-0, 03/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of EVH, i'm sure some of you have already seen this. Always check your sample rate folks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4 :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:42 AM Subject: RE: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music > > Hi ! > > I agree - very funny. The keyboardplayer does Europes > final coundown - doesen`t he ! > > Take I look at Eddie van Halen and Ozzy with Jake Lee. > Their greate ! > > Rune F > > --- Rick Walker skrev: > >> Carlos Santana shredding: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE >> >> >> keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. >> >> > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. F� Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512B83BEB6; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:33:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Rick, On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Carlos Santana shredding: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE > > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. That IS funny. But ya know . . . if he actually played a little more like that I'd probably buy his music more often. Cheers, Tk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:17:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993203BEAC; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080103111702.E44P7.458445.root@fepweb04> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 8:17:02 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: difficult listening Cc: Qua Veda In-Reply-To: <002d01c84dca$cf566f60$6e034e20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_I7yeC.A.YIG.DqQfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:17:07 +0000 (UTC) ---- Qua Veda wrote:=20 > Hey Kris and experimental and glitch fans,=20 >=20 > Check out the "Difficult Listening Channel" mp3 >=20 > http://www.michaeloster.com/credits.htm >=20 > podcast > icon"Difficult Listening Channel - show 111" Like a Hollywood plastic > surgeon, I did plenty of cutting to get this one just right. Edit after e= dit > after edit. But that's what you love about this podcast. Headphone listen= ing > recommended. >=20 > show release date 12-7-2007 > =20 >=20 > Subscribe - xml or Download= - > mp3 WHAT A HOOT! I AM LISTENING NOW. I THINK I"LL EVEN SUBSCRIBE. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:52:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90D1F3BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:44:24 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8EU37D.A.LlB.RDSfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Crew- A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:57:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C6F3BECA; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9VH1Xng5fE2+rDv2/IFwQlvRiz12yACiC5nrc7PnosU=; b=qsu4uS99JKFViw3mqEZ9JyxcP6eMdjkMbpEUL7iC9uWGgw0Mi/byWOkW9+iSpaq9T/oEdax82+7Xl95Zcy/xR0IeQCx9Dx+llexZcWxOqhqVOGdhrbtVmP5J4Y4SnOmlfMtRqbx3C73TykVG9xZcQW2Uwc3ZQEGGYzS/i8uMPtI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X0ldEaH3x3DYvtdwjnvoGBW0nGtzyVEw+CmHiL3ulSypNIbzTch0jtC9JQt3pY6m5ffE0/HylcCmdoO+uJJC9rKbcVa8WGR4lxCpGVDaNJ9fMuQUPK3aFnmYIbm/0qk0g47qV1ZZBWcbmvXHPO02TEeRCif22VvUijm248fkDrc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:57:43 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Resent-Message-ID: <-ecpG.A.n5B.ZISfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) I used to do something similar with an RDS8000 set to eight seconds and an EDP set to twenty seconds, and one of them on high feedback, one on single repeat. It worked very well, particularly with a Vortex on the long loop. On Jan 3, 2008 9:44 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:25:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8F73BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 666007893/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.254.61 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.254.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KABi3fEdPSv49/2dsb2JhbACCIgSoGoIY Message-ID: <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pigtronix-Phi-Echolution-Delay-Pedal?sku=156513 Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:34:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8406B3BEA9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:34:04 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Badass-looking box. Anyone own it? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pigtronix-Phi-Echolution-Delay-Pedal?sku=156513 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2CA33BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=O8ijk9voHbo+QV427WI3t7QEKtrIHMJdrS1fNoo9Uu8=; b=kcGj5/IAvKFHDJxFk+nZ/Gq7BTsDqyu6+ViU0CUs9k5yJJiYWvJAf86vOob7C26IGQlMUc8sfpRcXVPkuXZvWp1Arn2CdruLXGYeIHlPCOlW+2XpEEfvFb1evWv6OxtdXY2IQeQHJkp8X2IbVAwdOZgI0SE2lAm6HhEPgLa2pI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZbMgJ7fUCx0abm6F6T2UXJhtJfyWzaR6Vv/K1wNijHcTj0Cx5JQeRswjifQbdc5wUlRlcw1lXsdz38Rm7AhCoUXf1V6i5TQOf+kLpfuu82h6grJjdTxTmg1YUv08dY+nT3a5dvSrbDuFWRezS1wwojBam8N0LApabj3UYap05zg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:39:07 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Looks very cool. There's a Sustain pedal too. Apparently they sent one to Fripp (he's got a pic on his diary.) I think I need one. yeah, that's it. I NEED one, 'cause I don't have enough toys yet! ;l) Tony On Jan 3, 2008 1:34 PM, Daryl Shawn