From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EFBD3BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:15:21 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=L/NFFV1cMsBvbDp4K/7tn6yDcQXSFiyEJjtjEgEzbWPA4fers86yL9ZichPGhDiDaL4nmOLJw4rl9kvBrlEimlyUIRkRR+TaPqW1CDqGoPN8gOKuoiuucTlYmG+v/ihTqvrshzsNtSPXqzNim1r7Rf0OVvP2bTBr3uoGxip85Uo= ; X-YMail-OSG: GkvQhXQVM1l0I1XM0isqtf31ZXXRFIdKJSaOQ7xO7Wl6fPKmI9TqKM8ZkYb05ERJ5JN7bmH1rKt_SJtxO2eXA1qRccCEuOedGlJRHVdwYL2anFwQ9g-- User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:08:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Powered Subs From: Larry Stites To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c84c07$1e09cd20$5a1d6760$@com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="B_3281962121_2209321" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:15:22 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3281962121_2209321 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3281962121_2240223" --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two to share? I=B9d like to research but aren=B9t sure where to start. I=B9m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Correct, you don=B9t need to go stereo since the =8Cseparation=B9 at the sub 1= 00hz > frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for = each > main channel can be smaller and very effective. =AD but probably net out t= o be > more expensive. > =20 > Happy new year! > -Qua > =20 >=20 > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > =20 >=20 > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the foll= owing > (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub= , > right? >=20 >=20 > Kris >=20 > =20 >=20 > Powered Sub >=20 > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >=20 > OR >=20 > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >=20 > OR >=20 > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >=20 > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 --B_3281962121_2240223 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs About= the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two t= o share? I’d like to research but aren’t sure where to start. I&= #8217;m looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below.=


thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote:

Correct,  you don’t ne= ed to go stereo since the ‘separation’ at the sub 100hz frequenc= ies is minimal or non-existant.  However, systems with a sub for each m= ain channel can be smaller and very effective.  – but probably ne= t out to be more expensive.
 
Happy new year!
-Qua
 

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered Subs

I'm going to buy a powered sub very s= oon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with thes= e? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?


Kris

 

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $11= 00
http://www.wirelesshut= .com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetwa= ter.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com
 

 

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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_bd5.2201db68.34aae056_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B1D3BECF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QUbz/r9JQemObravq+fWIT4b39R/+Dh609SRSibkB08NCNM+jvawiYvmionMBX9G; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21465248.1199147115973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4860c53a1589cdc5e9b8a3d149878f63f8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <9ehWLC.A.T8E.shYeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi- i'ved used these for ever and a day-never failed to give m,e that subb umphhh! http://www.americanmusical.com/item.aspx?i=3DJBL%20EONSUBG2&src=3DD0407FG0H= AMS0000JBL%20EONSUBG2&utm_source=3Dfroogle&utm_medium=3Dfeed& -----Original Message----- >From: Larry Stites >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 7:08 PM >To: Loopers Delight >Subject: Re: Powered Subs > >About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name o= r >two to share? I=C2=B9d like to research but aren=C2=B9t sure where to star= t. I=C2=B9m >looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed below. > > >thanks > >LS >................. >on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > >> Correct, you don=C2=B9t need to go stereo since the =C2=8Cseparation=C2= =B9 at the sub 100hz >> frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for= each >> main channel can be smaller and very effective. =C2=AD but probably net= out to be >> more expensive. >> =20 >> Happy new year! >> -Qua >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: OT: Powered Subs >> =20 >>=20 >> I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the fol= lowing >> (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a su= b, >> right? >>=20 >>=20 >> Kris >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Powered Sub >>=20 >> ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 >> http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> Mackie SWA1501 - $980 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 >>=20 >> OR >>=20 >> JBL PRX518S - $1000 >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ >>=20 >> Krispen Hartung >> http://www.krispenhartung.com >> info@krispenhartung.com >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 00:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E585C3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <184c01c84c0f$4515b4d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:43:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1848_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60" ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered SubsThe only small subs I could finder were by Elite: = http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&id=3D239 =20 1X10, but I don't think they'll give me enough wattage in the cottage. = Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below are the way to go, just = one. The way they work is that they have a built in cross-over and also = stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then split out = into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my case)...works = like a charm, apparently. Kris About the smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand = name or two to share? I'd like to research but aren't sure where to = start. I'm looking for two, self powered and smaller than what is listed = below. thanks LS ................. on 12/31/07 3:44 PM, Qua Veda wrote: Correct, you don't need to go stereo since the 'separation' at the = sub 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with = a sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. - but = probably net out to be more expensive. =20 Happy new year! -Qua =20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the = following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo = with a sub, right? Kris =20 Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_1849_01C84BD4.98171A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Powered Subs
The only small subs I could finder were = by=20 Elite:  http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=3D29&cat=3D2&= id=3D239 =20
 
1X10, but I don't think they'll give me = enough=20 wattage in the cottage. Folks offline are telling me the Mackies below = are the=20 way to go, just one. The way they work is that they have a built in = cross-over=20 and also stereo in/outs. You go from the the mains to the sub, and then = split=20 out into your L and R mid/high speakers (two powered EVs in my = case)...works=20 like a charm, apparently.
 
Kris
 
About the=20 smaller subs for each main channel... Do you have a brand name or two = to=20 share? I=92d like to research but aren=92t sure where to start. I=92m = looking for=20 two, self powered and smaller than what is listed=20 below.


thanks

LS
.................
on 12/31/07 = 3:44=20 PM, Qua Veda wrote:
Correct,  you = don=92t need to=20 go stereo since the =91separation=92 at the sub 100hz frequencies is = minimal or=20 non-existant.  However, systems with a sub for each main = channel can be=20 smaller and very effective.  =96 but probably net out to be = more=20 expensive.
 
Happy new=20 year!
-Qua
 

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] =
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered=20 Subs


I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. = I=20 narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I=20 don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?


Kris

 

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - = $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie=20 SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S=20 - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen=20 Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com


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On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:

The annual electro-music New = Year's Eve web concert is going on right now!

Cheers,

Bill
=


Excellent ! =A0 I tuned in = at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for = directing...=A0 to this site!

Safe travels, good health = and a Happy New Year to you ALL....

cheers as = well,

Scott = Duncan
= --Apple-Mail-2--347104320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 01:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103E63BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <4779763D.2010501@soundscapes.us> <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> In-Reply-To: <9BCCA5BF-23F1-4663-9E92-5FE95AD17835@webworkz.com> Subject: RE: NYE Webcast Going On Now Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:29 -0800 Message-ID: <006901c84c18$b01a5160$104ef420$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFeiSY4vmO9YATi+ZZhhZBVw/aQAAp8qw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D9d3d1e0d00009670.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:52:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuned in ! very cool - I find it fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J. Video would be even better ! -Qua From: Scott Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox wrote: The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert is going on right now! http://radio.electro-music.com Cheers, Bill Excellent ! I tuned in at a fine moment -- Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing... to this site! Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to you ALL.... cheers as well, Scott Duncan ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tuned in !   very cool  - I find it = fascinating to hear events like this live over the net J.   Video would be even = better !

 

-Qua

 

From:= Scott = Duncan [mailto:scottd@webworkz.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:29 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: NYE Webcast Going On Now

 



 

On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Bill Fox = wrote:



The annual electro-music New Year's Eve web concert = is going on right now!

 

Cheers,

 

Bill

 

 

Excellent !   I tuned in at a fine moment -- = Timing Is Everything..... thank you for directing...  to this = site!

 

Safe travels, good health and a Happy New Year to = you ALL....

 

cheers as well,

 

Scott Duncan

------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C84BD5.A1F71160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 02:20:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE633BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 02:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE:Powered subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:20:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c84c1c$ee4b80e0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchMFsk8jF3ZGGnOQ9W0DzfLNIcbUQABg7rA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 02:20:48 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Sent: None Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 07 : Issue 1046 Today's Topics: RE: Powered Subs [ "Qua Veda" ] Re: Powered Subs [ Larry Stites ] Re: New CD Release: Krispen Hartung [ Nemoguitt@aol.com ] Re: Powered Subs [ stanitarium@earthlink.net ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.loopers-delight.com Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 02:34:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57C63BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 02:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: Powered subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:34:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchMFsk8jF3ZGGnOQ9W0DzfLNIcbUQABjdIA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 02:34:29 +0000 (UTC) I personally don't understand the need for, or attraction to subs, unless it is a design like the Bose Linear system that seems to need them, from what I can hear, to sound full. Now I'm coming from the perspective of a guitarist, but I personally feel the modern club and concert sound aesthetic places way to much emphasis on Subsonics and a bass heavy mix. I've heard way to many good bands me rendered muddy and indistinct from a rumbling overly loud bass mix. For me too much low end can have an adverse effect when playing acoustic guitars for the obvious reasons. So I ask you all who love subs, is it a better musically experience for you when you can hear and feel that bigger low end? Just curious, and Happy New Year. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 03:46:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4503BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 332 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:46:38 UTC From: "Robin Sengupta" To: Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:33:38 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C84BF4.D01D6570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:46:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C84BF4.D01D6570 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0030_01C84BF4.D021F950" ------=_NextPart_001_0030_01C84BF4.D021F950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We use JBL subs in our church - around 150 people when full. One sub didn't provide enough coverage - possibly because the stage is on the long side of the room facing across the width of the room rather than the length. Once we got the second sub the impact was really good. >From the sound booth I can feel the bass but it is not too loud for the people who prefer softer music. We had no subs for a few years when we started but once we got the two subs in place and got them to the right volume - the difference has made the expense worth it. Previously - we could hear bass notes just fine - but without depth. 2 JBL 18" powered subs is what we use. We will replace asap if the subs go out. Cheers! Robin -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right? Kris Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_001_0030_01C84BF4.D021F950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We use JBL subs in our church = – around 150 people when full.

One sub didn’t provide enough coverage – possibly because the stage is on the long side of the = room facing across the width of the room rather than the = length.

Once we got the second sub the = impact was really good.

From the sound booth I can feel the = bass but it is not too loud for the people who prefer softer = music.

We had no subs for a few years when = we started but once we got the two subs in place and got them to the right = volume – the difference has made the expense worth = it.

Previously – we could hear = bass notes just fine – but without depth.

2 JBL 18” powered subs is = what we use.

We will replace asap if the subs go out.

Cheers!

=

Robin

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December = 31, 2007 4:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered = Subs

 

I'm going to buy a powered = sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with = these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, = right?


Kris

 

Krispen Hartung
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Just curious, and Happy New Year. > Bill > When I play in 5.1 I use a pair of SWA1501's. However, I drive them =20 from a discreet channel and only use them for that occasional low =20 note. I like to think that my music comes across fine without them =20 however it is nice when I can use them. Most of the time, then, my =20 subs sit silent. I spose I am comfortable with this notion from my pipe-organ playing =20 experience. Most pipe organs do not have pipes in the 32' register =20 and on instruments that have them, one only uses them once in a while. =20 However, there is nothing quite like deep bass. Yes, the subwoofers are pricey (I bought mine used and I lucked out =20 and got two for the price of one). Just like a pipe organ, the =20 largest 12 pipes are the most expensive notes on the instrument! Single notes or bass drum beats are very effective on the subs but, to =20 me, a mix of sound thru the subs can become murky. Happy New Year to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:43:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E421B3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:43:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right?" Let me start off by saying that I am NO expert on this subject matter. However, from 30 years of working in different capacities as a live sound engineer (mixing many different pop and african groups in 100 and 200 seater clubs in Santa Cruz, 1,000 seater Catalyst rock showclub and 2,000 person Civic Auditorium (Spirit of Africa Festival, et. al.), as an Audio Engineer in recording studios, as a Producer in recording studios and then just doing live sound for my own small gigs one thing occurs to me about subs: The human ear , with the exception of distortion in the sound, does not reproduce bass waves very accurately, due to their very long wave lengths. We really hear accurately in the midranges where our neurophysiological 'EQ' has strong peaks in the range of human intelligibitity. Also, saliently, one tends not to need the kinds of high wattage of subsonic speakers for most of the playing situations where we do our looping gigs. They would overwhelm the room and the frequency spectrum with their power (most of the ones you mentioned looking for). Also, depending on the crossover point of your sub (which you can set on anything decent), many excellent professional speaker systems (especially powered monitors) accurately handle frequencies down to 40 and 50 cycles. This means that subwoofers are usually called on to reproduce those frequencies that are at the very bottom (and somewhat innaccurate end of the audible spectrum) and the ones that we feel as much as hear.................those powerful 'rumbly' frequencies. Soooooo (conclusion time and a practical solution for subsonics in one's performances): I just went out and listened to a bunch of home stereo subwoofers that were in the $200-$300 range (and occasionally as cheap as $100 in sales) advertised at places like Fry's and concluded that though they didn't have tremendous wattage, power or volume, that they sounded excellent when added to my little RCF 10" monitors or my Mackie 12" powered monitors. The volume of these things is not loud, but at the normal volume that I play at in small venues, they really round the sound out well and were, well......................inexpensive and fit my budget (they are also not very large usually). The way I figure it, is: If you need more wattage than that for a gig, almost invariably, you will using a pro sound system for the performance, so, in a way, why pay a lot of money for something that is both overkill and heavy and bulky to cart around. Then you can put the $700-$800 you save towards your next tony miniature tube preamplifier or you obsessive collection of Robert Fripp memorabilia. Now, I'm totally okay to change my mind about these conclusions if there are people who have a lot more knowledge than me on the subject, but I found this to be a perfectly acceptable solution for the reproduction of subsonic frequencies in my live looping performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 06:47:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C623BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d801c84c42$22ab8e00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:47:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:47:01 +0000 (UTC) The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered subs does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more appropriate it is. And I say that with tremendous love and respect. Happy New Year, buddy!!!! love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 07:02:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AEC3BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <000101c84c1e$d8ac4ec0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> Subject: RE: Powered subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:00:01 -0800 Message-ID: <009201c84c43$ef8db320$cea91960$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMFsk8jF3ZGGnOQ9W0DzfLNIcbUQABjdIAAAlEiUA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De5cc19580000d0e8.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <3Q2SAC.A.JQ.xVeeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, happy new year! >From my audiophile days, my preference has been for very high quality full range cabinets rather than 'satellites and sub'. The sub often needs to have its volume adjusted relative to the smaller mains to keep it sounding coherent through the crossover point. But full range audiofile speakers (e.g. Dunlavys, etc) require a lot of cabinetry and are quite large and heavy, and can cost 10s of thousands of dollars. In the music industry, these kinds of speakers are usually only found in very high end recording studios. I've seen that in the live sound reinforcement industry, much less attention is paid to the finer details of sound , and the equipment needs to be road worthy. This has lead to smaller cabinets which lack full range (IMO), so subs have been added to regain the full range - or , even make the low end an 'effect'. Similarly in home theater, many people can't cope with the expense and proper speaker placement of large main cabinets - thus the rise of the satellites and subs suitable for earthquake movie effects. The biggest factor is the source material- your sonic goals for reproducing it. long live the low end! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:35 PM To: Subject: RE: Powered subs I personally don't understand the need for, or attraction to subs, unless it is a design like the Bose Linear system that seems to need them, from what I can hear, to sound full. Now I'm coming from the perspective of a guitarist, but I personally feel the modern club and concert sound aesthetic places way to much emphasis on Subsonics and a bass heavy mix. I've heard way to many good bands me rendered muddy and indistinct from a rumbling overly loud bass mix. For me too much low end can have an adverse effect when playing acoustic guitars for the obvious reasons. So I ask you all who love subs, is it a better musically experience for you when you can hear and feel that bigger low end? Just curious, and Happy New Year. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 12:09:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C33F3BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DwJ7fEy65NzxexND1Oi6WWlhHtwM9eoGOnyEnVDCiQ4QCnrOJGtL5Dg4C2BFLRbj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <9670189.1199189369308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:09:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c82d35fe08e08ffc6cccea2044dbbf52a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: <8GOl_D.A.rtG.71ieHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:31 +0000 (UTC) thankya mann-and the same to you and yerz Rick- yeah the things i do w/ subbsonic sounds hasnt got much to do w/ anything. it takes a lot of ampage to push long waves and the volume i play at is extreme. it IS a physical thing. but i'm still a loopin fool-forever. hapi neu yrs yall staninsanfran -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Walker >Sent: Dec 31, 2007 10:47 PM >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: Re: Powered Subs: addendum > >The advice I just sent into the list about my cheap solution for powered >subs >does NOT apply to Stan Card (stanitarium on the list). > >With Stan, the larger the subwoofer and more powerful it is, the more >appropriate it is. >And I say that with tremendous love and respect. > >Happy New Year, buddy!!!! > >love, Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:12:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D583BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MPv1HU2hTSg6krijjmxS+a2SuuH+0ZyQdVOFE2v4T807p34Zh4pE+2XzmB+0dSDcX8HtQF6V4MxauYE3+QUt3Zpbtb+Afnv/2cLxPebK/891bYexwSu9fMNoa1IpBefw8BDYmw3X5cP5MZJhbmorgeMnPDDnx1Bj8IL319ujWn4=; X-YMail-OSG: Y8h55scVM1kn6nR11X6fzOKM6E7CMeELhtTuHHBA2qBjx3bC4o9saxPe.BeoNIy.eQ-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Powered Subs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:12:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline When i played in different bands as a side guitarrist i never really understood why this bands would be hauling this bulky and heavy boxes that just sat there silently and that was because most of the time i was standing on stage next to them,until i realized you have to stand a certain distance away from them to start feeling the so called "bass thump".however ive also heard that some systems work well with others and some don´t so make sure to ask and try. Thank god things are getting lighter,from what i hear this babies seem to be compact powerful and the one of the lightest: http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_9_sa.htm combine them with their light tops you may have a killer sound http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_2_a.htm then again yes,price hurts auch... by the way happy new year dudes!! Luis --- Robin Sengupta wrote: > We use JBL subs in our church - around 150 people > when full. > One sub didn't provide enough coverage - possibly > because the stage is > on the long side of the room facing across the width > of the room rather > than the length. > Once we got the second sub the impact was really > good. > From the sound booth I can feel the bass but it is > not too loud for the > people who prefer softer music. > We had no subs for a few years when we started but > once we got the two > subs in place and got them to the right volume - the > difference has made > the expense worth it. > Previously - we could hear bass notes just fine - > but without depth. > 2 JBL 18" powered subs is what we use. > We will replace asap if the subs go out. > Cheers! > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:57 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: Powered Subs > > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I > narroweed it down to the > following (below). Any experiences with these? I > don't need to go stereo > with a sub, right? > > Kris > > Powered Sub > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html > OR > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 > OR > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --0-1269308966-1199196767=:33992-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 14:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F2F3BEAC; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mh8pwK+HChVPrIbAJif6EObuCKfhaq5lBOeh4HY/brK2Si0v+uxSbn+/c4AjVRX7JmNL4ypsoDF7C8gYPp9fuyR+D0EBXETjqBN3Dwt++WZYhWYWhW1cOGarhhxESUriJFg+izkZEy78LeFp8Xa350Qs0m0cceRVbXj7+ZgXBE0=; X-YMail-OSG: 9ti8baUVM1miud7l0dC0jKiPXPPjvJAjjO9RBwoQ1isWFBID7xNXhliId1bPRigyv3K0vgUqrQMFmrV4.tLTfJZz_ZuTwLioRXfZ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9B-OJB.A.pFF.3EleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, if you were to pick between this 2 to record with bands at home which one would you choose?what would be the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would seem easier to have a band just come in plug their instruments directly and go at it.My other question is,because of my room space i would probably have to run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any effect on latency? thnax! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13FC63BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD0HQgURKP57R5SuZZuhA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Release Notice: rainer thelonius balthasar straschill: "Weird Specialist" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:01:17 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004b01c84c87$29596700$6501a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchMhyjUsweiqj9OT7+bVYxFovubjw== Resent-Message-ID: <6eXDDC.A.-zG.sWleHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:01:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rainer thelonius balthasar straschill Weird Specialist Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' great pleasure to announce yet another album release: Weird Specialist contains material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the release of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen Weg ) up to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists solely of freely improvised music using live looping technology. As this is album is a set of material created independently of each other from a time span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - in addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - the approach seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of building blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) form a homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole. As with the last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any comments and online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done by Anna Bejenke. And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect start into the new year with that music, your weird specialist, Rainer www.moinlabs.de www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
rainer thelonius balthasar=20 straschill
 
Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' = great pleasure=20 to announce yet another album release:
Weird Specialist = contains=20 material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the = release=20 of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg) up=20 to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material consists = solely=20 of freely improvised music using live looping=20 technology.
 
As this is=20 album is a set of material created independently of each other from a = time span=20 of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different sources - = in=20 addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live = Looping Festival=20 and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - = the approach=20 seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is obviously due to=20 the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of = building=20 blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual recordings) = form a=20 homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole.
 
As with the=20 last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com=20 - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any = comments and=20 online reviews. And those people who actually buy a real CD will no = doubt be=20 enchanted by the cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done = by Anna=20 Bejenke.
 
And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect = start into the=20 new year with that music,
 
your weird specialist,
 
       &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
 
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C84C8F.8B1DCF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3643BEB8; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 645331612/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.66.131.139 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.131.139 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HABrqeUdPQoOL/2dsb2JhbACCIgSkHYIg Message-ID: <477A5B22.9020203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:24:18 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) References: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the >> delay modelers more than the looper. > > ...which tells us also something about the delay models - if they had 28s of > delay time, I bet more people would use them, if only to loop (and make use > of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed implementation).# not to say it isn't wonderful :-) ..but it's not a "varispeed", It's analogous to the speed remaining constant, but the playback head moving. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 15:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC9663BEAF; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <002e01c84c27$1ab4c830$6501a8c0@craft> <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <697556.33992.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 07:53:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c84c8e$7d0b78f0$77226ad0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMgKUhO1oTJSe8QqeC7twW+6kzugADWXWg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D62df1e2d00003b75.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC) An interest that I have in using a sub is to reproduce experimental and found sounds (e.g. a car wash, rhythms, low frequencies). For some sounds, assuming they are recorded with low freq. info intact, a sub might be the right tool for the job -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 16:09:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7BB3BEB6; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2jXb/QmlOJIxVNHBZahXwvh9mTx2vOt5yzXpX+qzGEpGqcf8qgcq3WmuSl4dq2XYDqkdQL/ZXCx4PtmrqViMt3nY0TN8WuW9a6da+K5zVxUjwZIkP13MAvLNM/K5n3Ca7nSC7IF0DD+RIxUSRLNHgWUK9QOiiAidrj1FHnKhzIc=; X-YMail-OSG: 9m6.L2oVM1nwkWTrgKcNM08o4UYgaBcUSCOuKIAUL6mutxFhokMVqD8d4PzvXEcx6bobpWuW4UwloQ8LAcRCgDXUKmwbHGcMfD5a3dbXLiwFzmMfaI9ZCbE39_HBvw-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Mackie Onyx 1620 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-410067493-1199203749=:72612" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <800512.72612.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:09:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run. I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate. Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, all:
 
I have a Onyx 1220 w/the Firewire option (that I actually got for free--a great deal). The pre's onboard are terrific. The overall sound quality is awesome-at least to me. I've used the Tracktion software  with the board and it is pretty wasy to use. I don't know about latency with a long firewire run but one ding I can give the mixer is the added expense for getting direct out capability. You have to get DB25-1/4" or XLR snakes to get directs out. They go for $50 each for a short run.
 
I've been using the Alt3-4 routing to get a signal to my looper from the mixer which is adequate.
 
Regards, Paul

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Search. --0-410067493-1199203749=:72612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:05:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95943BEB0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 20:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 494743BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:38:54 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Message-id: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi - Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out tracks on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic Let me know what you think. Happy New Year! David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:23:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7C103BEB9; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 13:23:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) DK, Very nice stuff indeed. A most pleasant alternative to football on New Year's Day. thanks! TK On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:38 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > Just a quick note for those who may be interested, I've switched out =20= > tracks > on my UNDO myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy New Year! > > David Kirkdorffer tEd =AE KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A9A3BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477AB048.6090206@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:27:36 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mackie Onyx 1620 vsRME fw800 References: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <893735.95186.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Nm87.A.H0H.LBreHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > if you were to pick between this 2 to record with > bands at home which one would you choose?what would be > the pro s and cons or which preamps sound better?i > currently own the rme800 which is very nice but i am > being offered an onyx for a very cheap price(about > 599.-eur.) and i am reconsidering,also with the onyx > having more available XLR inputs sends etc.it would > seem easier to have a band just come in plug their > instruments directly and go at it.My other question > is,because of my room space i would probably have to > run a rather long firewire cable,would this have any > effect on latency? Hello, I actually have the rme fireface 800 as well as the onyx 1640. I find that the onyx is great for mixing live music if you need to do a show, and if you want to record that live performance the onyx makes that really simple and it does have pretty nice preamps in it. For actual recording projects which might include overdubs or adding extra tracks where you need to hear a mix of live instruments and recorded tracks, the rme 800 is much more capable. The flexibility and power of totalmix is amazing. Also I find that the rme 800 has not only better preamps, but the converters seem much nicer to me which is even more important for good recording quality. This is why I bought the rme 800: better converters, better preamps, totalmix's powerful flexible routing, and rme's reputation for stable quality software drivers. So if you just want to record the inputs of your mixer live the onyx is great. If you want better preamps and much better A/D and D/A converters along with much more powerful routing capabilities the rme 800 is the winner. When I want the best quality that I can get and I run out of mic inputs on the fireface, I run cables from inserts on the onyx to line inputs on the fireface and that allows me to use the fireface's converters with more mics. For recording bands at home you might need some sort of solution like this since the fireface only has 4 mic inputs. I don't technically know how the firewire cable affects latency, but I would suspect that the effect will be negligible. I imagine that you will have dropouts or other problems if the cable is too long rather than added latency, but I'm not sure. Peace, - Sam Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 21:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448393BEC2; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:48:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Powered Subs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) At 1:05 PM -0700 1/1/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice >in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy >two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at >$600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice >piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. One more consideration you might want to take into account. From what I've observed on occasion, if you walk up to your average listener (non-musician, non-engineer) and tell them they can't locate the direction of the bass tones, they'll look at you funny and go "huh...?!?". Then, once you explain to them in very simple and easily-understood terms that laboratories have asserted the human brain can't distinguish the direction of lower frequencies, you'll find that, for the most part, they won't then echo-locate that tonal range any longer. My suspicion is that in the real world it is actually far easier to locate which side of the "stage" on which the bass is placed. Unfortunately, a lot of times we put a bit too much credence in what the lab results tell us what *should* be happening, rather than what our own ears tell us actually *is* happening. And that difference in results between spatial imaging tests in the lab vs. the field may very well be because it is rarely that the bass component of the music is composed only of frequencies that can't easily be placed. (Aside: ever try to echo locate a pure sine in a room at ANY given frequency? Gets confusing fast, if you're not in a purely anechoic environment.) Regardless, unless you're using a sub purely in its most technical form (as Per pointed out in an earlier conversation, the term "sub-woofer" should really apply to speakers handling only frequencies below about the 50-60 Hz range; otherwise, normal bass frequencies (~50-200 Hz) are handled by the woofer, not the sub-woofer), I'd argue that most bass can actually be echo-located rather easily, and perhaps it's worth investing in two "subs" rather than one. If your current woofers are truly flat all the way down to ~40-50 Hz, then you could be good with a single sub. Too often though, I've seen people (myself included) grab a sub merely to compensate for a lack of low end, and end up flattening any stereo imaging there might have been in the bass spectrum. Of course, if the stereo spread for your environment doesn't matter, then this is a moot point. Otherwise, you might take it as food for thought. --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053AD3BEC1; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMsevbLdXq7Rp9TwOBGXJyP6ULtwAEriVw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbf9d02000000b656.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can reproduce. But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, rather than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full impact. Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can really make a huge difference. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" [snip] Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded last year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm afraid I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear that will deliver low end for years and years. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:35:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014043BEC5; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:33:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c84cc6$51535330$f3f9f990$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMwFcsCAWJ4ZqqQ1iqTxOCBjcsuQABbvtg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc08a02310000b71b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) More on the acoustics.. if you sit in a club next to a hard wall (e.g. brick or stone), you will get a much larger dose of low frequencies than if you are sitting in the middle of the room. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06813BEC7; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> Subject: RE: new UNDO music posted to myspace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:35:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c84cc6$ae7c5ac0$0b751040$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMvNFaUiaoO2x0RGG4gjEH3umiDQACb+bw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dc12602000000b7c6.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:38:02 +0000 (UTC) I agree, very nice! Listening to "09099" right now - love it:-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace DK, Very nice stuff indeed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 1 22:50:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88773BED0; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boise Experimental Music Festival on MySpace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:50:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-16808-1199227814-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:50:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. 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Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:39:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:40:04 +0000 (UTC) True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by "it". For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can > reproduce. > > But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. > the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, > rather > than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even > on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain > into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full > impact. > Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. > This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can > really > make a huge difference. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker" > [snip] > > Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded > last > > year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that > were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out > the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using > max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in > the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home > theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I > will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice > SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm > afraid > I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's > festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good > choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy > two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, > only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear > that will deliver low end for years and years. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 00:48:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D57203BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <193001c84cc8$aaddc550$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <6d2241ac911d218645f6cd0d2f570540@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Boise Experimental Music Festival on MySpace Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:48:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Cool Kris! That should give the fest a little more profile. Cheers, Ted On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here you go (self-explanatory). > http://www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfestival > =A0 > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 00:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E743D3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:54:36 -0800 Message-ID: <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMz+HIhX51GDSMTg+mvk9yHlQp+QABOdfg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De1a402210000d7f7.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I think the danger you refer to would not be from the frequency itself, but from overdriving gain in an attempt to hear the low frequency better. This could result in clipping the amp that would cause serious damage to the speaker driver (not to mention your eardrums) If my understanding and experience are correct, the 10hz signal simply would not be reproduced by the 1x12, since the circuitry probably rolls off considerably below ~70hz I imagine the EV's (great speakers!) may have clip protection designed in. A rule of thumb is to have power amp that is 1.5 -2X the rating of the speaker you are driving. A speaker/cabinet rated at 150w/channel would benefit from an amp rated at 200-300w/chnl. This is to ensure plenty of headroom for the amp so it doesn't clip. Another point to keep in mind is that the reproduction of low frequencies requires a lot more amplifier power. That's why the subs often come with 400w power amps. BagEnd www.bagend.com makes a powered sub with integrated ELF processing, capable of reproducing 8hz. Click on Tech Library in the left menu, then read about InfraSub if you'd like a better explanation. One of the advantages of their design is that the cabinets are surprisingly small. I have some of their PA speakers, including an ELF sub, and can attest to the very high quality audio - both for studio/home theater, and sound reinforcement (which is the type I have). -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by "it". For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can > reproduce. > > But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. > the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, > rather > than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end even > on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your brain > into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full > impact. > Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. > This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can > really > make a huge difference. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Walker" > [snip] > > Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded > last > > year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that > were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping out > the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys using > max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in > the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home > theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, I > will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice > SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm > afraid > I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's > festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good > choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy > two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, > only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear > that will deliver low end for years and years. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7243BED3; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <196a01c84cdd$ee1a3f00$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:22:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Here is my point, which I probabl didn't make clear. We may not be able to hear 10hz, but I can produce it in my gear, sent it to my 12" cab, and make the cone pop out of the speaker with enough gain. I'd rather divert that energy to a sub, not my precious 12" powered cabs. Kris > If my understanding and experience are correct, the 10hz signal simply > would > not be reproduced by the 1x12, since the circuitry probably rolls off > considerably below ~70hz I imagine the EV's (great speakers!) may have > clip protection designed in. > > A rule of thumb is to have power amp that is 1.5 -2X the rating of the > speaker you are driving. A speaker/cabinet rated at 150w/channel would > benefit from an amp rated at 200-300w/chnl. This is to ensure plenty of > headroom for the amp so it doesn't clip. > > Another point to keep in mind is that the reproduction of low frequencies > requires a lot more amplifier power. That's why the subs often come with > 400w power amps. > > BagEnd www.bagend.com makes a powered sub with integrated ELF processing, > capable of reproducing 8hz. Click on Tech Library in the left menu, then > read about InfraSub if you'd like a better explanation. One of the > advantages of their design is that the cabinets are surprisingly small. > I > have some of their PA speakers, including an ELF sub, and can attest to > the > very high quality audio - both for studio/home theater, and sound > reinforcement (which is the type I have). > -Qua > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:40 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Powered Subs > > True, they won't damage my 1X12 cabs provided I keep the level stable. I > could hook up my laptop to one of my cabs and blast 10hz into it with the > volume on ten, and my laptop level all the way up...it would pop the cone > right out. So, whether they can handle it, depends on what you mean by > "it". > > For what I want to do at an experimental music concent, they won't cut it. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> With Max etc, you can produce sounds below 50hz that some subs can >> reproduce. >> >> But don't fear, I believe the low frequencies won't damage the 12" mains. >> the mains will reproduce only harmonics of the fundamental low notes, >> rather >> than the fundamentals themselves. That's why you can 'hear' low end >> even >> on a car radio without sub woofers. The harmonics kind of fool your >> brain >> into perceiving the fundamental sound. You just don't get the full >> impact. >> Besides subs, you need room acoustics that will support low frequencies. >> This is where room dimensions , shape, and acoustical treatments can >> really >> make a huge difference. >> >> -Qua >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:05 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Powered Subs >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rick Walker" >> [snip] >> >> Rick - let's use BEMF as an example. You remember how huge that sounded >> last >> >> year, right? We could not have produced that with just the 15" mains that >> were next to the stage. We had subs on each side and they were pumping >> out >> the sounds in a major way. When you have electronic musicians (guys >> using >> max/msp, Reaktor, etc) producing giant, almost movie soundtrack sounds in >> the 50-100hz range, two powered 12 inch cabs, or even an inexpensive home >> theater sub isn't going to do the trick in my opinion. What I will buy, >> I >> will use at BEMF this year. I'll have my two 1X12 powered ElectroVoice >> SxA100s for mids/highs, but I will definitely need some low end. I'm >> afraid >> I would blow those speakers with the low end that I heard at last year's >> festival. So, the single Mackie powered sub I listed seemed like a good >> choice in this case. Sure, I would love to save myself some money and buy >> two lower end powered subs for $300 each, but then I am already at $600, >> only $250 short of the big daddy Mackie sub which is a nice piece of gear >> that will deliver low end for years and years. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:34:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E5C3BED3; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> In-Reply-To: <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: recording LF Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: <004e01c84cdf$5c966fc0$15c34f40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMz+HIhX51GDSMTg+mvk9yHlQp+QABOdfgAAIr82A= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dea8b1e080000e118.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <8rho-D.A.agE.2oueHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:34:47 +0000 (UTC) For found-sound recording of low-frequency material, your mics and record/storage(wav, mp3)/playback and the entire audio chain would need to do a good job at these frequencies. The spec on my Edirol R-09 handheld recorder says 20 Hz to 22 kHz, but I wonder ... I'm not set up to test it right now . Anyone have experience recording low-freq sounds? What kinds LF sources have you tried to record? trick/tips for this kind of recording? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 01:42:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09B03BED6; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:42:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <4BTXKB.A.q2E.dwueHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course of several responses the original question gets over-engineered and distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and the context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections to the Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really attractive stereo sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 02:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B46D3BECD; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Powered Subs X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:52 -0500 References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) I played a gig a few weeks ago at an Irish Pub that the owner (being a player himself) had outfitted with a Mackie Sub. My wife, whom hadn't attended a gig in over a year, commented that I sounded HUGE. Not to steer the conversation in a very different and inappropriate direction, but if you are willing to carry one, get one. It is an impressive and awe-inspiring moment when you hit that low D with a sub hitting the patrons in the chest. Very cool. On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I > hope you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. > > So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It > cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the > course of several responses the original question gets over- > engineered and distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and > ended up with a discussion over whether I even needed them. Of > course, there is no debate for me on whether I need one, given the > sound I am after and the context. That is a done deal. I haven't > seen any major objections to the Mackie, so I may go with that > option, unless a really attractive stereo sub option comes up that > can delivery enough juice. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 02:30:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CEC43BED0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zF0vJnagBbKsVt/22PFImP9+NHrUHt9L//JmLUM+iMT9+AVnWOMs2N/QMabXK7UVMyOSA3qi9+JEpLst/u4Nzeg3SULrZsmYzVQ00kc4Mz+MBLIAwsj+/HYVXvd181xN+lqCch0bzxX2E0cdWsnD0hci2hyAFH6/bKu2PHzUrMw=; X-YMail-OSG: 1KsPqIgVM1niUMtzIgkgddOF6CNGi9Bni9z96fIHwezH1uAIbJEabNKgQXjeqCUU4qi59KecSzHW6f_3siqnw3XUCpWjugtyOa_QCCEhSAbP6flYJXkvPYvKz4JPRA-- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 18:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: powered subs To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <103981.71138.qm@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:30:45 +0000 (UTC) howdy, Ah yes, I remember it well. We were a house band at a country/western(fake cowboys) club in tacoma. It was an "L" shaped room. One side of the room sounded perfect, while the other side was a HUGE bass room the further back you went. Next to the back wall, we had what "seemed" to be a powered sub-woof when in fact all there was were the room a coustics in action. Fascinating actually. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:15:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 377433BED2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:15:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Exellent. That's what I wanted to hear. HUGE is what I'm after. When I'm using a max patch to generate multi-octaves (24 down and lower), delays, etc...I want it to sound like a volcano. I have a local friend who has been playing bars and private gigs for years and years...mostly country and southern fried rock. He used just about all the subs out there, and runs a really big PA. I used to run sound for him years ago. He just recommended that Mackie too. I'll start with one, and if I get really ambitious, I may buy another later in the year so that I can run them in stereo (thought using just one should not be a show stopper). Kris ----- Original Message ----- >I played a gig a few weeks ago at an Irish Pub that the owner (being a >player himself) had outfitted with a Mackie Sub. My wife, whom hadn't >attended a gig in over a year, commented that I sounded HUGE. Not to >steer the conversation in a very different and inappropriate direction, >but if you are willing to carry one, get one. It is an impressive and >awe-inspiring moment when you hit that low D with a sub hitting the >patrons in the chest. Very cool. > > > > > On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope >> you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. >> >> So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It >> cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course of >> several responses the original question gets over- engineered and >> distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a >> discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no >> debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and the >> context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections to the >> Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really attractive stereo >> sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. >> >> Kris >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:18:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FC43BECF; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19b701c84cee$19cd9510$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004b01c84c87$29596700$6501a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Release Notice: rainer thelonius balthasar straschill: "Weird Specialist" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:18:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:18:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent, Rainer. Listening to it now. I like the variety of style and = feel on this one. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 rainer thelonius balthasar straschill Weird Specialist Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' great pleasure to = announce yet another album release: Weird Specialist contains material by Straschill from the timespan of = early 2004 (just after the release of the last solo album Neinnein auf = dem kleinen Weg) up to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, = the material consists solely of freely improvised music using live = looping technology. As this is album is a set of material created independently of each = other from a time span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming = from different sources - in addition the studio tracks, we find two live = tracks from the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival and an outtrack = from a kybermusik session - the approach seems just like that of a = "compilation" album. It is obviously due to the skill of the editing = "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of building blocks (the title = track alone consists of ten individual recordings) form a homogenous, if = slightly whimsical whole. As with the last release, this album is available as a free download = from www.jamendo.com - donations will nevertheless be gladly accepted, = as well as any comments and online reviews. And those people who = actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted by the cover art, = which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been done by Anna Bejenke. And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect start into the new year = with that music, your weird specialist, Rainer www.moinlabs.de www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill video.google.de/videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs ------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent, Rainer. Listening to it=20 now.  I like the variety of style and feel on this = one.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

rainer thelonius balthasar=20 straschill
 
Just in time for new year's eve, it's Moinlabs' = great=20 pleasure to announce yet another album = release:
Weird Specialist = contains=20 material by Straschill from the timespan of early 2004 (just after the = release=20 of the last solo album Neinnein auf dem kleinen = Weg) up=20 to the present day. Just like on preceding albums, the material = consists=20 solely of freely improvised music using live looping=20 technology.
 
As this is=20 album is a set of material created independently of each other from a = time=20 span of close to four years, sometimes even stemming from different = sources -=20 in addition the studio tracks, we find two live tracks from the Y2K6 International Live = Looping=20 Festival and an outtrack from a kybermusik session - = the=20 approach seems just like that of a "compilation" album. It is = obviously due to=20 the skill of the editing "Weird Specialist" that this manifold of = building blocks (the title track alone consists of ten individual = recordings)=20 form a homogenous, if slightly whimsical whole.
 
As with the=20 last release, this album is available as a free download from www.jamendo.com - donations will=20 nevertheless be gladly accepted, as well as any comments and online = reviews.=20 And those people who actually buy a real CD will no doubt be enchanted = by the=20 cover art, which has - as with the SAUBER! album - been = done by Anna=20 Bejenke.
 
And with that, I'd like to wish you a perfect = start into the=20 new year with that music,
 
your weird = specialist,
 
       &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
 
video.google.de/= videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs
------=_NextPart_000_19B4_01C84CB3.6CDFC380-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 03:36:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CBB3BED0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=FSXkpOU4bR4Fmv5yPJUPsXzOfbuVnecGJG4nKLOBUyA=; b=ruUpzBEk7Oj1rkOJDWU01okhk3rMZmwPWJmXd4tFmwK4dYF+0Mk+hAvK+AUzG5w3+oNQY+vXyL3bb3JC1no8QehE3Ki4In2Ljg5h9XW3A/TedPkkDqWKQDGuOc/Svq4Sphfodo/HaaWzaC90Y4LYXZ9bQb8P/97NM4RrXitOLXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=NDyapZqJiHPREMiP2vurbPEr5EHJOtqw/eLVzFFoNQDxNW+j7I3SWaKIx3Ko46VMn09QePhq/dIMorqMx2Ji8FAp/tRVwTIlx4PCiuPkSOguE57p7nd2tvrCsmYnOrKfZVlYDFeRihVSzUPXy/cuCjyjd653eKIQYQ3odrUU3bA= Message-ID: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:36:28 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: recording LF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0e700cc259a3bbea Resent-Message-ID: <1Zwl6.A.NND.8aweHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 03:36:29 +0000 (UTC) I've not yet tried LF, but have had some degree of success capturing ultrasonics at 192khz with gear rated 20-20k... keep in mind that those specs usually mean +/-1 or 3 dB, not a brickwall limit. Hell, the Vortex is reported to only 14khz :) I put together a small woofer mic out of an old 6" cone this week and haven't messed with it much yet, but might try some LF experiments later. Passive lowpass filtering before recording is probably a good idea in order to get levels tolerable. And if getting serious, it might be smart to look into wide bandwidth scientific filters that are known to turn up on eBay. My biggest concern is that the transformer I put into the mic might need to be bypassed. We'll see. >The spec on my Edirol R-09 handheld recorder says 20 Hz to 22 kHz, but I >wonder ... I'm not set up to test it right now . Anyone have experience >recording low-freq sounds? What kinds LF sources have you tried to record? >trick/tips for this kind of recording? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 05:47:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BEFD3BEAC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <199501c84ce0$c943d3f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <799DD702-BCB7-4521-8D5A-BEC9D20C5C6E@mac.com> <19a001c84ced$ab7104d0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:47:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Powered Subs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:47:19 +0000 (UTC) At 8:15 PM -0700 1/1/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I'll start with one, and if I get really ambitious, I may buy >another later in the year so that I can run them in stereo (thought >using just one should not be a show stopper). +1! ;) I really think that'll do you better in the long run.... --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 05:59:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3433F3BEC2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <538a41560801011936t1973a87bl348534dc9eb9c3b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:59:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: recording LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:59:21 +0000 (UTC) At 10:36 PM -0500 1/1/08, Ryan Reid wrote: >I've not yet tried LF, but have had some degree of success capturing >ultrasonics at 192khz with gear rated 20-20k... keep in mind that >those specs usually mean +/-1 or 3 dB, not a brickwall limit. Hell, >the Vortex is reported to only 14khz :) You make a good point, although you should keep in mind that there aren't too many pieces of analog equipment (and I'm talking physical things like mics, speakers, and even cables) that can really fully transmit frequencies above about 60khz, so 192k might be a little overkill. :) Also, don't forget that it's possible for two frequencies within a given range limit to produce frequencies outside it, and vice versa. Frequency intermodulation causes additive and subtractive frequencies to appear. So it's entirely possible that this could be a part of what you're hearing. >I put together a small woofer mic out of an old 6" cone this week Sweet! I just saw a photo in one of the typical musical rags last month, where a studio had constructed a kick drum mic out of an old woofer from an NS-10. Let us know how well it works! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:16:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AFDE3BEB0; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:16:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, I made my post kind of as an alternative to people who are doing the lions share of gigs that we are involved in and wanted to present an inexpensive alternative. On my own budget I just have to continually keep price in mind so this was a simple, elegant and inexpensive solution. However, I would never give this advice to someone investing in a P.A. for an event as big as the BEMF (though I have done a gig at the ATTIC in Santa Cruz which was the equivalent of the size of the venue for BEMF 1 & 2 with my little inexpensive rig). Actually, after reading everything, I wonder if the JBLS that Stan recommended would do the job. BEMF was fantastic by the way and the sound (and especially the brilliant sound engineer) were incredible). I do personally think that less volume could easily have been used during that event, but I am tending to be really on the conservative side of volume in mixing , especially as my own ears are tending to get worse and worse from really, really loud bass of early life rock and roll gigs. You are young enough that weight probably is not a factor, but trust me, it will become more so as you get older so that's a factor. The JBLs that Stan recommended attracted me and I tend to be in my brother Bill's camp about the overuse and abuse of subsonic frequencies in modern day mixes. So, all said and done, I hear why you want what you want and it seems wonderful and legitimate. I'm only going to be a little heartbroken that BEMF will coincide with the Scandanavian Live Looping Festivals that I'm involved with for next year. It'll be the first one I've missed...... :-( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 06:37:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B4543BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:37:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rick. I'm still sort of considering those JBLs too, mainly because I could run stereo and I could mount my main speakers on top of them. They would match well together. I just don't know enough about the JBL subs, etc. I am going down to Guitar Center tomorrow to talk to them and see what else they have. Regarding the weight of the Mackie...oh yeah, after a back surgery two years ago and constant back problems, I don't plan on lifting that bad boy. I'm bring someone over to lift it for me. The nice thing about the Mackie is that if I decided to buy a second one, I would be positioned to do somer really big shows with serious low end. I agree that lower volume can be just as effective. Part of the reason why I want a sub is separation. Bill had expressed some doubt regarding why anyone would want a sub, vs just using a full range powered speaker. For me, the answer is simple (a rhetorical question), why do many high end home theaters and home sound systems have powered subs? Why woudl they buy those expensive subs if it made no difference or only muddied things up? They wouldn't/ Because it is about separation, control, and fidelity. I don't want major low end going through my mains. I want clarity in mid range and highs, separate from low end. I'd rather not work my mains that hard, especially if I do need to increase volume in a large venue. The other reason, is that I just love low end! When used effectively, it can be powerful and moving. Some interesting things happen in those nether frequencies. :) And I agree with Bill that some people abuse low end. I have seen really high end PAs, three way, stereo, all separate amps, cross-overs, etc, etc...sound like crap or wonderful, depending on the ear of the sound person. There is no reason why a two powered mains and a single high end sub can't sound kickass and have an edge over just the powered mains. 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Get it now!= = --_5be1dae3-fe89-4a64-b1c6-7cd6d85d0beb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:40:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEA43BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 01:40:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 +0000 (UTC) After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm seriously thinking about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of 1) what's out there 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) The elements I'm interested in purchasing are: 1) IN EAR MONITORS 2) A WIRELESS SYSTEM to amplify them 3) A SMALL HEADPHONE MIXER THAT WILL LET ME MIX MY OWN SOUND against the sound of whoever I"m playing with Would you all please help me out and let me know your recommendations for all of these things? ******** ******** ******** What Bob pointed out, and the reason that I"m suddenly very, very interested is that with a conventional mix, one frequently needs to hear one's own mix a little louder than the person(s) they are playing with. What occurs is that with a shared single monitor feed (which becomes necessary if one wants to utilize all of one's available AUX sends on a typical mixing board for all the signal processing we use) If you turn up so that you are audible, you are too loud for your partner(s) and frequently, for the house mix. With the use of a small headphone amp and either wired or wireless in ear monitors, Bob told me that he is able to take one feed from the board and then his own personal feed and adjust it to whatever volume he is comfortable with. Additionally, this eliminates all of the monitor bleed into one's acoustic mic loops (a huge problem in using more than a couple of loops live for me). Additionally, because they are 'in ear', Bob said that you don't have to kill yourself with volume.............you can just choose whatever volume you need. The last gig I did with my brother (looping for a political fundraiser? how cool is that?) I kept having a hard time hearing the detail I needed out of my percussion loops and yet I know that I kept frustrating him with volumes that tended to be over the top and dominating. What are your experiences with this concept. Other than price............is there any downside to it all? Thanks for your experience in advance and HAPPY NEW YEARS everyone!!!! Rick Walker aka looppool www.looppool.info for video work and abstract electronica www.youtube.com/looppool From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 09:42:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32753BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=0xkeegmPbm1qSiC3WATtlYZnMbtbH+OtFfwfzOuMVZo=; b=d6I1BTsFa6PcTc9+PvlJ33UlBYgi0DrRR27tfUsO2FJqVWRow+50uO8TODtBmlQ3Dqv8F7MKQBcCkw6bj4mu6ewXd1DvnY2EbTZysJ+r8887oPmJDMlEw1otItlBLMBpzyu/9oQMDXZtNsIPuUkDfKPZfmWY1qj5OOaghUQf7O4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=RH0pTdANns8YmerJPPClvNKFIG+rc6xMua7r1unI8yMKCbkrm9U1+o5Sq9tLDMayPU9Q0R5HqPuYsPaUjbmOJcnmX2PpEZhx7dSJM8TTgOHKJnX2v0SJ9yS30tzh6RU5p825tCEUfE3EbRttawlIOExjjJozduTTeQoRhhbI3QM= Message-ID: <538a41560801020142k7c13a6bcreb22ad979a84e5fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 04:42:43 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: re: Recording LF (and ultrasound) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6897c3f77f81ed9f Resent-Message-ID: <1HqyH.A.xAC.Xy1eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: >you should keep in mind that there aren't too many pieces of analog >equipment (and I'm talking physical things like mics, speakers, and >even cables) that can really fully transmit frequencies above about 60khz, >so 192k might be a little overkill. :) Well, I should have been more specific - I meant a 192khz sample rate in recording, so that Nyquist wouldn't clamp things too much, and so that recordings could be pitched down to audible range without significant aliasing. I first plugged my (now in need of a fuse from a unrelated accident :/ ) signal generator direct into my Focusrite Saffire I/O. NOT RECOMMENDED WITHOUT A 1:1 WIDEBAND TRANSFORMER but it went alright for me. I didn't pitch this down, but just viewed a sweep in Adobe Audition's spectral display. Sure enough, it made it up to around 90kHz, though of course with signal loss and noise. I then tried my M-Audio condenser mic on a few instruments and household sounds. Not many ultrasonic harmonics showed up except in percussive transients - my glockenspiel struck with metal mallets really spiked up there. An electric toothbrush showed a nice range. Unfortunately, I conducted all of this in a hurry while needing to get back to work writing a paper, so I couldn't be too thorough. What is certain is that recording at 192khz and pitching down provides some amazing results - my piano simply sounded as though it had been played at a lower octave, the glockenspiel changed into gorgeous bells (sans the harsh transients - will use rubber/cloth-covered mallets next time), and the toothbrush turned into an absolutely convincing helicopter - the mic's proximity effect providing full-on doppler effect. I should have a few ultrasonic transducers in the mail sometime this week actually and hope to do some more exploring - I imagine I'll get a lot more sticking them outside the window than from anywhere inside. We'll just have to wait and see. Unfortunately, I don't have a laptop or decent portable recorder to go on any full-on expeditions with at the moment. As for the woofer mic, I haven't done much testing yet. I don't actually have many bassy instruments and it was more to have fun with, and perhaps getting some low end vocals for multitracking. I was mistaken earlier - it's actually a 5" woofer from an old Altec Lansing computer sub. I mounted it into a PVC joint with the plan of stuffing the inside with foam before sealing. Oddly enough, I got a lot more volume from the magnet-end of the mic, even with foam in front of it! I'm not sure why that is, but I'll just have to play with it some more. Will report later! I'd had the idea before, but got motivated when I saw this: http://theogre.home.bresnan.net/kickit Take care, Ryan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:10:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 153073BECF; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=62pp1Iexj/YcIFgJ7qdj2OIA1HdBbSkJqtrPYTxVg4k=; b=svwTj57UeJi2SmnqAh+TE09krUaSKhdSD7pzj6jbFEgWcANn1TgCWNaBzznhBP7SRU4+KBnn6e6rXLJ49lsQNOtFAvrOoLncxA1/ttMAzboYWR2s/xXkOHlbm6xV9mSVtsUesVbnHL7bPfxTASYLxEnCgifitnJ6g4EnS3GFP0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JB7oMhkPeZSTKcWGZe05i+N7Gp7Kj/Cd0FECqtmqFX/LaNazLYO2ZnM/ZtouSKfwKSJyoM+9+BHxipHqwaVTCOJCdWUUdiM28Yqhp5+IsIhBoSoaSu4XQ2CywGYV8qn7MYRdy5NUvPOcRxTcRR87zlN+uMs6BoI86T0Nfi8jEio= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:10:05 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:10:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > /snipp-e-ti-snip/ > > What are your experiences with this concept. Other than > price............is there any downside to it all? > On some occasions, when playing live looping music together with other people, I have popped a pair of normal in ear iPod phones into my audio interface's phones output. This is particularly handy when I use my FireFace400 that has a hardware knob that can be set to any paramemeter, and for this use I keep that knob constantly set to the phones output level. I don't use the kind of phones that I like to listen to music with, ie phones that seal off external background noise. I'd rather use phones that still lets me hear the full high frequencies from the external (house PA or acoustic stage monitoring) audio. In this way I need just three seconds to balance my own (in ear) rig monitoring to what I hear leaking through the in ear phones. I have been thinking of expanding this with a wireless system in the future, but I can't afford that right now. The only downside I can think of is that you look a bit dorky with those cables hanging out of your ears. And in my case, with no wireless, you can not move around much. Hmmm... forget about that last remark - you're pretty glued to your FCB1010 stage spot anyway ;-) Although I don't use a mixer I'm never the less doing all that aux sending, feedback looping etc in the software. So I guess my tip would be useful with a physical/analog mixer too, given you simply duplicate your mixers master output through a volume control into the phones. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,  I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.
 
/snipp-e-ti-snip/

What are your experiences with this concept.   Other than
price............is there any downside to it all?


On some occasions, when playing live looping music together with other people, I have popped a pair of normal in ear iPod phones into my audio interface's phones output. This is particularly handy when I use my FireFace400 that has a hardware knob that can be set to any paramemeter, and for this use I keep that knob constantly set to the phones output level. I don't use the kind of phones that I like to listen to music with, ie phones that seal off external background noise. I'd rather use phones that still lets me hear the full high frequencies from the external (house PA or acoustic stage monitoring) audio. In this way I need just three seconds to balance my own (in ear) rig monitoring to what I hear leaking through the in ear phones. 

I have been thinking of expanding this with a wireless system in the future, but I can't afford that right now. The only downside I can think of is that you look a bit dorky with those cables hanging out of your ears. And in my case, with no wireless, you can not move around much. Hmmm... forget about that last remark - you're pretty glued to your FCB1010 stage spot anyway ;-)

Although I don't use a mixer I'm never the less doing all that aux sending, feedback looping etc in the software. So I guess my tip would be useful with a physical/analog mixer too, given you simply duplicate your mixers master output through a volume control into the phones. 

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_33987_26721445.1199268605396-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 10:42:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C6DB3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hqpupbvQE1N8cT1B2BTC+UrTFBe/MiuVom5nWJVJ07vvLnEfqz5hQ6g1T4QbKqVprC+Z/maP7lJAxeVpAjq3Tug62sY+p8Gw5qWoHpTXsMQgSVFLOnYnZxGFwfE5g9C2wjYF1MMqyhnPmFbCIFONxeNB6We8zRVeMWAEinQV8Wc=; X-YMail-OSG: M._tqEkVM1lw9qt3txb5wRdE6hdfgieaK5knd_nr58SADhs66KldjC6sDhwDmu19yIwFVsqu_m77dZc6noCFIv1DtxFCykSnko.3pYQ6wjepmdp3XkM- Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <100971.64963.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3wQZsC.A.iWE.Vq2eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:42:30 +0000 (UTC) David beautiful man! how are you doing those sondscapes on homeward, guitar synths? cheers Luis --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > Just a quick note for those who may be interested, > I've switched out tracks > on my UNDO myspace page: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > Let me know what you think. > > Happy New Year! > > David Kirkdorffer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 11:00:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048AB3BEB8; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025f01c84d2e$a7278ac0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <100971.64963.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Virtual Repeater Software ? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:00:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:00:28 +0000 (UTC) News about the Virtual Repeater Software ? It was announced a lot of months ago but - as usual for the Electrix company - there are "concrete" informations about when it will be on the market... Does someone have informations about the releasing date ? fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:43:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D893BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=WGf0gEutjnN7FxF+DLvtS54Qa1O+0F+6diP/ObBkyU8=; b=sjFJcbC9P7Ecb1m0NuoSX8EnEbBUCXf6CGC5oxyxoIa9GHjCqsAMtAvppReHa6GsSHJfzNynoaayAtAe4IgsKc1CBy77qxAx5/o6nGgMUHIxWKvGexY4GNq5sfmPZZ8ECUXqnNXNblCQUHKL1RMoxxHNibCYKbLgtTnDcllMaOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=d4iAY0PRagwFkkqauocrS1fXqAnVSO0CHk/2Fl7IUUCKPfh6lZkIK5rg8FTLLE3KMQ2w7vRD86lQjh1f5RVW+iKGbt9iQz7NZZaIIJxQ+BaZHYhlS+KNWQdDohSKTvwZDBymWGeJQHPcKXcmOOIkRK9qg/nkXGcCGjfyaqnd8M8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:43:35 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Logelloop audio example MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:43:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi friends, Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 This music is the sounding result of the following actions: 1) Stepping "Record". 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point). 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy"). 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5. Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0. This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting! What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live). -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi friends,

Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: 

This music is the sounding result of the following actions: 

1) Stepping "Record".
2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. 
3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts.
4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar).  
5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point).
6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").
7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect.

The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: 

Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. 
Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.
Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.
Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.
Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0. 

This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_34628_29580073.1199277815730-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 12:51:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106F73BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=EQVVCx1/Tb6rXO+/6afViJCrWYaJZ1bwzaQs4AmCNAkxDSygfBwldse3D77YV3N47vBUGjBkSuR2sTF0sRHwIjPm9OE+VCZ7NQjaf5XJTeFNMtq/ui6L/Y9Pzj+jZMDx4kBFD9gRji/6cpFxwJPVQ1O/gvO9yvfm/SRMZfn/wXo= ; X-YMail-OSG: Y58vgTUVM1nbyem3jeTq2a4nu24s9s3kClfyw7l0kxsrdsJlV2jItHIehg35VuQRsHy0myoBjcQ6mAEgFJUI5pVy436SkheFNVoKegB0.8v12gKh Message-ID: <001701c84d3e$32827260$4201a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Logelloop audio example Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080101-0, 01/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:51:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really enjoyed that! Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: loopers-delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Logelloop audio example Hi friends, Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I = recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example:=20 http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 This music is the sounding result of the following actions:=20 1) Stepping "Record".=20 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar.=20 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as = the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). = 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks = up to this point). 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this = track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE = EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").=20 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just = a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very = powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, = and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a = poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). = Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to = handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: =20 Track 1: Just a little FX1 send.=20 Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.=20 Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. = Volume 0.=20 This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it = gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the = typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!=20 What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called = in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does = Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that = because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of = sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).=20 --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Really enjoyed that!
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per = Boysen=20
To: loopers-delight =
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, = 2008 12:43=20 PM
Subject: Logelloop audio = example

Hi friends,

Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop = I=20 recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an = example: 
http://w= ww.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3

This music is the sounding result of the following = actions: 

1) Stepping "Record".
2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one = bar. 
3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar=20 starts.
4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every = bar (as=20 the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). =  =20
5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four = tracks up=20 to this point).
6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars = (this=20 track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and = PRE=20 EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").
7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre = effect.

The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, = just a=20 few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very = powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost = instantly, and on=20 many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly=20 rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). = Finally I=20 must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the = recorded=20 loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: 

Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. 
Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.
Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.
Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.
Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. = Reverse.=20 Volume 0. 

This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I = hope it=20 gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the = typical=20 Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's = called in=20 Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does=20 Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that = because of=20 the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when = applied=20 to real-time processing (as when you play live).

-- =
Greetings=20 from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C84D3E.31C14540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 901633BEC7; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:31:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-reply-to: <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Qua Veda wrote: > > Correct, you don’t need to go stereo since the ‘separation’ at the sub > 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a > sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. – but > probably net out to be more expensive. > Actually, Bose has perpetrated this myth all too well. Because the low frequencies involved *are* omnidirectional in nature, everyone believes this myth. However, the human ear does use arrival time in this frequency range in order to get some directional information. Robin Miller , who is an expert in multichannel sound, can play you a recording of a church pipe organ. Using only one subwoofer, it sounds OK since this is how most people hear it in typical sound systems. But using stereo subs, the recording opens up and becomes amazing, revealing details that usually are only heard in the original chuch environment while the pipe organ is being played. Having revealed that, however, for your performing needs, one sub is all that you'll need, Kris. I doubt that you have much directional information being produced in that frequency range. Out of curiosity, what is the lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a guitar? If so, then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order to get your point across! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 13:47:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47F403BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:44:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-reply-to: <17493979.1199238657827.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <477B9552.3080707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <01bd01c84c41$9b5ba980$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <18e401c84cb1$a285f6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002e01c84cc5$c575a930$5060fb90$@com> <195901c84ccf$9fc02490$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004801c84cda$0c93bf50$25bb3df0$@com> <17493979.1199238657827.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <2Ymgz.A.4gD.sX5eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Before I heap on another response...Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope > you are all successful in your resolutions, if you make them. > > So, back to powered subs. This groups is a real hoot sometimes. It > cracks me up how someone can ask a question, and then over the course > of several responses the original question gets over-engineered and > distorted. I asked advice on which sub to buy, and ended up with a > discussion over whether I even needed them. Of course, there is no > debate for me on whether I need one, given the sound I am after and > the context. That is a done deal. I haven't seen any major objections > to the Mackie, so I may go with that option, unless a really > attractive stereo sub option comes up that can delivery enough juice. I have used an earlier version of the Mackie at my Soundscapes Concerts and it worked quite well. Yes, I used only one sub. Its line outputs fed my power amp and JBL (unpowered) PA speakers. It filled a large hall without breaking a sweat or being overpowering. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:40:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548CF3BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qUojyxi/n+H+y3QjGK3aN7IVZ80+DVJI5JketeZDtYw=; b=ivyWKJKnm+CN4OuxRzgKznpyH1QL6+U/+5E0P9INbipBP9udqTyNv9bDRT0W2/sA69CrP041MbvBESRATmf1TDm39HWt28+E3i8aCn212Mh/9Gcrr0xqCYHysgv6uh9B1ffeKx6DStycrFOwRYNfx7jE22qDpPBOgDc1yKvuuAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eAiG8CucYtTMYva0M3s559ZQCJtWxAgwNW6iQbiroI+ZxXGxEIW5oIz/rcDnyHqI3xrlI6HeoHm/8yjJbrnHxYyvPBiyZoG0uoUzm18NY/BsUOwtXR8AS3Wr4T4Nngy24vY/hMkDYmb+2ca6Huv8IHKzU2Wx5rDOR+tHHSh+CzU= Message-ID: <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:40:41 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Rick, I've been using IEM's for probably 5 years now. Whether I use them all the time or some of the time depends on venue. I love the reliability of having them, but I love the fluidity between use and non-use. I have not come to rely on them but use them as any other looping tool in my arsenal, hardware or software, simply as needed and as enjoyed. I use the sennheiser evolution series for both IEMonitors and Wireless mic'ing (or direct line'ing), have never had a problem, and love what I have... http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/21510 For ears, I use the top of the line Ultimate Ears, and I do believe in ear molds, cuz they don't fall out., however, since I began 'using', they have improved options on their site... i would advise purchasing ears which allow you to control how much ambient sound can come in... Shutting out all the sound from the outside world does give an element of control, but unless you have mics set up in your mix for ambient room sound and audience, you'll miss it... Also, I just like to hear the sound my instruments are making naturally, as distinct from only through the mic channel. If I have money to throw at it, I'd get a pair of those.. Currently mine shut everything out. There are many many sets of ears out there, though, and I'm sure that Zoe and others on the list will have many suggestions from their experience. http://ultimateears.com Of all the things we use, this is one that I would advise not skimping on from a position of price. (okay, I lie, I feel that way about everything we use in our work, and I see myself as pretty money conscious) I personally think this particular Sennheiser product is the best you can get for before jumping up in price about 2000 dollars... But please realize that I work with a company who provides only wireless Mic'ing and Monitoring for major rock tours and Broadway shows, and time and time again, that's what they've told me. My sound man turned me on to these guys years ago and I've had really great luck. That said, I can also help you with securing a unit for considerably less than you would pay at a retail outlet, and have a very personable and wonderful ally there... Contact me offlist if you wish to pursue it. Good luck, Rick, it's a lovely tool to be exploring, and it changed my entire life when I committed to buying it instead of trying to get people to rent it on the gig... not only that, but it makes Skyping easier in the house too! (a great side benefit) And also, I use a direct sound 99.44 % of the time. With you, who (I think) HAS to use microphones a lot with your plethora of instruments, you can virtually eliminate that icky feedback thing with ambient noise in your loops. Though I've never heard that issue in your performances, how do you DO that.. lol All best to all. Todd On 1/2/08, Rick Walker wrote: > > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > 1) what's out there > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Rick, 

I= 9;ve been using IEM's for probably 5 years now.  Whether I use the= m all the time or some of the time depends on venue.  I love the relia= bility of having them, but I love the fluidity between use and non-use. &nb= sp;I have not come to rely on them but use them as any other looping tool i= n my arsenal, hardware or software, simply as needed and as enjoyed.

I use the senn= heiser evolution series for both IEMonitors and Wireless mic'ing (or di= rect line'ing), have never had a problem, and love what I have... =

http://www.sennheiser.com/sen= nheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/21510

For ears, I use the top of the line = Ultimate Ears, and I do believe in ear molds, cuz they don't fall out.,= however, since I began 'using', they have improved options on thei= r site... i would advise purchasing ears which allow you to control how muc= h ambient sound can come in... Shutting out all the sound from the outside = world does give an element of control, but unless you have mics set up in y= our mix for ambient room sound and audience, you'll miss it... Also, I = just like to hear the sound my instruments are making naturally, as distinc= t from only through the mic channel.  If I have money to throw at it, = I'd get a pair of those.. Currently mine shut everything out.  The= re are many many sets of ears out there, though, and I'm sure that Zoe = and others on the list will have many suggestions from their experience.

http= ://ultimateears.com

Of all the things we use, this is on= e that I would advise not skimping on from a position of price.  (okay= , I lie, I feel that way about everything we use in our work, and I see mys= elf as pretty money conscious)   I personally think this particular Se= nnheiser product is the best you can get for before jumping up in price abo= ut 2000 dollars...  But please realize that I work with a company who = provides only wireless Mic'ing and Monitoring for major rock tours and = Broadway shows, and time and time again, that's what they've told m= e. My sound man turned me on to these guys years ago and I've had reall= y great luck.   That said, I can also help you with securing a unit fo= r considerably less than you would pay at a retail outlet, and have a very = personable and wonderful ally there...  Contact me offlist if you wish= to pursue it.

Good luck, Rick, it's a lovely tool = to be exploring, and it changed my entire life when I committed to buying i= t instead of trying to get people to rent  it on the gig... not only t= hat, but it makes Skyping easier in the house too!  (a great side bene= fit)

And also, I use a direct sound 99.44 % o= f the time.  With you, who (I think) HAS to use microphones a lot with= your plethora of instruments, you can virtually eliminate that icky feedba= ck thing with ambient noise in your loops. Though I've never heard that= issue in your performances, how do you DO that.. lol

All best to all.


Todd




O= n 1/2/08, Rick Walker < looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,&nb= sp; I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.
=
I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's = out there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting= high quality
3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi footcontroller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price)
 



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------=_Part_30139_26688665.1199284841440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 14:44:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B20D3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:43:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <66f9cc1e0801020210t17429b52r163b310862c94ee7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_124089437==.ALT" Message-Id: <20080102144405.1A72A14DF1@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:44:06 +0000 (UTC) --=====================_124089437==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've worked with in ear monitors a fair bit. I like the shure e4 models, I haven't gone wireless because as Per noted already with the pedal boards etc. you're pretty much restricted to stay in one place. There are Big pluses to using in ear monitors, being that you can hear yourself better and you can keep those levels way down so not blowing out your ears in the process. The biggest disadvantage is that you can't hear people unless they are speaking into a mic that's tied into what you're monitoring. I do know one guy who for that reason uses a mono monitor in only one ear. happy new year, Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca >On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker ><looppool@cruzio.com> wrote: >After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm >seriously thinking >about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > >/snipp-e-ti-snip/ > >What are your experiences with this concept. Other than >price............is there any downside to it all? > > --=====================_124089437==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I've worked with in ear monitors a fair bit. I like the shure e4 models, I haven't gone wireless because as Per noted already with the pedal boards etc. you're pretty much restricted to stay in one place. There are Big pluses to using in ear monitors, being that you can hear yourself better and you can keep those levels way down so not blowing out your ears in the process.

The biggest disadvantage is that you can't hear people unless they are speaking into a mic that's tied into what you're monitoring. I do know one guy who for that reason uses a mono monitor in only one ear.

happy new year,


Paul Haslem
www.dulcify.ca




On Jan 2, 2008 10:40 AM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,  I'm
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

 
/snipp-e-ti-snip/

What are your experiences with this concept.   Other than
price............is there any downside to it all?


--=====================_124089437==.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:38:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06963BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iOOZFg1/o8Q7RwmVJjVYlZIY5R1Q5jOm3beW4NvfFRg=; b=ShDaUuuOekp5Lx/xNx5Dawzb7GfaoHuWnzjNBAX4LsP909X/JXv8FzFfJGdVFdLehipVjAIGNWjm7hs3CTJxZvyyQs7ZwoO9nTfqj1J7xLnTGO0ENWFIVd/a3ZB5B/tk9bPc1DSxtK9xsuy1bAWQldKiu55xGn9zAIkB/jJJDb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sLbWKTbLD5iyKf3+j8lairNyxr6Ky+GOCOdD/U4hUU7vyZ12svmi/VDfVyC+c3X2bUzEnOUcAQ4NwsjdEadwHeEPst6S1n4LwBxc2u55xnFLnEMujmQ1aBrDZZjNiD5Zp8/JSISJSnakb4oK9WxuVs/Cu6nXJfVIdxDwS0443Kg= Message-ID: <4759e5740801020714m68636a2mc4014393c295da2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:14:17 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logelloop audio example In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165" References: <66f9cc1e0801020443i5b08f6ceod731ae9d4253cb64@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic Per, always love your sounds and recording quality and thankful you're putting this software through its paces! t. On 1/2/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > Hi friends, > > > Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I > recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: > http://www.looproom.com/audio/logelloop_flute_impro.mp3 > > > > This music is the sounding result of the following actions: > > > 1) Stepping "Record". > 2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. > 3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts. > 4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the > Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar). > 5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to > this point). > 6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this > track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE > EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy"). > 7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect. > > > The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a > few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very > powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and > on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly > rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I > must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the > recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: > > > Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. > Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12. > Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12. > Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5. > Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. > Volume 0. > > > This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it > gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical > Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting! > > > What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in > Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does > Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because > of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when > applied to real-time processing (as when you play live). > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline fantastic Per, always love your sounds and recording quality and thankful you're putting this software through its paces!

t.

On 1/2/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,

 
Since we were discussing the new OS X looping software Logelloop I recorded a quick improvisation this morning, as an example: 

 
This music is the sounding result of the following actions: 

 
1) Stepping "Record".
2) Playing the first waltz type melody fragment for one bar. 
3) Stepping "Overdub" on the downbeat where the second bar starts.
4) Keeping on playing, changing my phrasing a little for every bar (as the Overdub moves on to the next track of the loop with each new bar).  
5) During bar four I stepped "Multiply" (I had filled up four tracks up to this point).
6) I made some drooling noise while multiplying for several bars (this track, 5, was set to play back in Reverse, one octave SPEED down and PRE EFFECTS - that's what makes it "dreamy").
7. Recorded one bar of live playing into the Granulaterre effect.

 
The music was generated in one go. No shoe gazing or tap dancing, just a few pedal kicks during some ten seconds or so. I'm finding this a very powerful aspect of Logelloop; you can create a groove almost instantly, and on many tracks (of loop layers) that work against each other in a poly rhythmically interesting way (if set to different SPEED values). Finally I must tell that I had set up the track mixer in advance to handle the recorded loop layers differently. Here's the scheme I used: 

 
Track 1: Just a little FX1 send. 
Track 2: FX1 send. Speed +12.
Track 3: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -12.
Track 4: FX1 send. FX2 send. Speed -5.
Track 5: FX1 send PRE fader. FX2 send PRE fader. Speed -12. Reverse. Volume 0. 

 
This study was only scratching the surface of Logelloop, but I hope it gives an idea of the concept. It's indeed different from both the typical Repeater and the EDP concept. I think that is very exciting!

 
What Logelloop calls SPEED is the simple Rate Shifting (as it's called in Mobius) and the classic HalpSpeed of the EDP. Logelloop also does Repeater-like Pitch-Shift/Time-Stretch, but I don't like using that because of the calculation time needed that makes the music go out of sync when applied to real-time processing (as when you play live).

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)



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------=_Part_30300_14719314.1199286857165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 15:39:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27AF3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <018901c84d06$fd000a80$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1a2701c84d09$fdac21a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:37:40 -0800 Message-ID: <007001c84d55$696b2e90$3c418bb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNCj95ptOqP/EeTrqBdZ5GIqEIlwASv39Q Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Db09e088a00006205.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) One big advantage of the subs is that the overall volume levels can be lower without losing the low end support and 'hugeness'. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204A43BEB2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:06:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Really interesting, Bill. Yes, I was always suspicious of the claim that people can't hear the directional source of low frequencies. Even more surprising is comments from old school sound guys who say no one can tell whether you run stereo or mono through the mains...yes, maybe for a band who is all mono, but that would be a load of crap for today's electronic musicians (we all know that and experiences the beauty of stereo imaging). But back to the sub topic, I still may get two of the Mackies. I don't know about anyone else, but if someone like Jeff Kaiser is using a stereo pitch shifter in max (which I do on occasion as well), and he has the left side at +24 and the right side at -24 (and let's say he is playing a 200hz note), I can hear it in the subs. How can anyone not? The test is simple. Just run a sine wave into system, let's say 100hz, turn of the mid/high mains, and then do some hard panning of the subs. I can hear it. You asked: "Out of curiosity, what is the lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a > guitar? If so, then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order > > to get your point across! ;-)" As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. In fact sometimes, I will go force a drop from let say some note on a guitar, and drive to 0hz. Often times you can hear that happen in my system because there will be a few clicks. It's choking. :) In live apps, one may not be able to hear let's 15hz, but you can sure feel it. I would agree the feeling is probably not directional, but if I rise above to 100hz. I can tell the direction. I don't how any anyone could say not....wouldn't that imply that if if a guitarist striks he low E string, listeners could not tell the source, left or right? That seems absurd. Kris Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Actually, Bose has perpetrated this myth all too well. Because the low > frequencies involved *are* omnidirectional in nature, everyone believes > this myth. However, the human ear does use arrival time in this frequency > range in order to get some directional information. Robin Miller > , who is an expert in multichannel sound, can play > you a recording of a church pipe organ. Using only one subwoofer, it > sounds OK since this is how most people hear it in typical sound systems. > But using stereo subs, the recording opens up and becomes amazing, > revealing details that usually are only heard in the original chuch > environment while the pipe organ is being played. > > Having revealed that, however, for your performing needs, one sub is all > that you'll need, Kris. I doubt that you have much directional information > being produced in that frequency range. Out of curiosity, what is the > lowest tone you typically produce in a show? The low E on a guitar? If so, > then even one sub might be more than you'll need in order to get your > point across! ;-) > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:26:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2189E3BECC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkVXanQ= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:26:53 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c84d5c$48c529f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <477A5B22.9020203@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchMimX37JOTGtPtRleslQ+QMPVvSwA0ZcrA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:26:17 +0000 (UTC) > > (and make use of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed > > implementation).# > > not to say it isn't wonderful :-) > ..but it's not a "varispeed", > It's analogous to the speed remaining constant, but the > playback head moving. Damn...you're right! I thought I once did this varispeed effect with the DL4 (on a track where I only played effect boxes into each other), but after sitting down with the DL4 for some time finally remembered that it was a RDS2001. So I can't sell my SMM w/Hazari, because it's the only stompbox with varispeed I got (albeit only in looper mode). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:30:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C908A3BEB9; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: hearing stereo in live performance (was Powered Subs) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:28:03 -0800 Message-ID: <007c01c84d5c$74aec580$5e0c5080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNWbyAMePp9ZILSKe1meVLGNHMagAAaMZg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbc6d098300007a9f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:30:04 +0000 (UTC) I agree, and am a proponent of stereo (or even surround) sound reinforcement. I would aim to achieve the best quality stereo sound for the listeners that I could afford - despite the fact that whether they can hear the separation is highly determined by room acoustics, and where the listeners are within the room. The room can cause all kinds of image smearing, amplitude changes (nodes), etc. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:07 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs ....In live apps, one may not be able to hear let's 15hz, but you can sure feel it. I would agree the feeling is probably not directional, but if I rise above to 100hz. I can tell the direction. I don't how any anyone could say not....wouldn't that imply that if if a guitarist striks he low E string, listeners could not tell the source, left or right? That seems absurd. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 16:33:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80E473BECD; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MbjSC1+SwGl+nF23rf72takoJ947zCbyq7+8BjudNoY=; b=QeHzrP4MTjPIH9SVCGusxYr7q4SHvRwhotOJQuo03SaLuhxGkSKOxHEUKHdEimyv4Q4PbN6Z2aTMN4kAE5d0DbRYuW0eUdKv8UUQX6OxESUHKBHbST96xN7SwQUZunfBC+F3zMUpeOeN3PNI392/WeHzJvyYLuXmOVxy/R2x+zs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lbpg0iBYJ9aacIqSFHxw8Gw7BmErj2b3QvmG4KC9oZ5UxF/dRH8itAJ1l+BO2Ld0Uw5Pb9NsdzZs/sCmyemERKzVoRasRJGYoZQ5oiGVnjeoJrsdzSK1jnWm1aOseftqHHEpoPfXeGicPlUAYual8BcDycKc54H8ngQrlCwqS3g= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:27:41 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-Reply-To: <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:33:59 +0000 (UTC) An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2EAC3BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LolOby5L3WQuPfgqhzjueg71sCxD+0Ydbvci8i2AMxA=; b=Ch64Owk+DVeKLV7tztFfvIMs7nEH7e282cpC4LRz0H8CRuQgWsKGRVU/9AmeH8Wvrm1YXeIafLHqQr2hsY2xs9obt0BT7OCIdQP1qiyfYlCgFapaje/6q41UzwvVXWJRrXnGkp1J1g9N6eYRBgut2z2U2Bfg3EUHVv1YbyvsFjM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZXkmKjzEazRdpuceD50/Kz4kE+iHb4jkbXD8ArZWB++f3q+ehKJlU8vLVPZHmhtLOTSimTaagKn66cJ7gR2XlXdtQOcReGIgq9Oi//y/RgvaNYUUF1g0rMCseQVjbfQWAISDLXaxGPwSSuC2m0tbK/hy7O0v+kWNha/k+3/SuHg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:35:53 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454" References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:35:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabswith 2k wattsapiece, and it was amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :) When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious. I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, > > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. > It > > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then > > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It would be > below > > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What kinds of rooms Krispen?  The PA I had most experience with was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece,  and it was amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors.  We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it"  If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)

When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels....  Delicious.

I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity.  It was an astro, and it would open the side windows...

<end of bass nerd gush fest>

On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz.


On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper,
> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. It
> is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and then
> apply a two octave drop.  I'm not sure what that would be. It would be below
> 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar.
>
>
>




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---Miles Ward ------=_Part_1688_14121854.1199302553454-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:51:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1993BEC1; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R0NimdY5oT8TQhzLH10A:9 a=Onv32n_RIQkt4orENdwA:7 a=C5DX7reS3SDy91M8IqTCbR4Xq7QA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 a=AwejN7ToCWegh0zanLcA:9 a=IGec1xMll5UFzLEuPxMA:7 a=Tv11W2KghDjGurFbHz1_sRVKZlcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:51:10 -0800 To: todd@toddreynolds.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:51:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online! i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them into my headphone mix. On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, > I'm > seriously thinking > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > 1) what's out there > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high > quality > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > --Apple-Mail-1--194545266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

i've used for the last 3 = years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they = were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i = love their headphones.

custom molded ears = haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s = so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave = them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they = aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. = the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes = online!

i = just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to = get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the = Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too = and put them into my headphone mix.




On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds = wrote:

After a recent = discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,=A0=A0I'm=A0
seriously = thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

I know = next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's out = there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high = quality=A0
3) if there = are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot
controller = is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low = price)
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= --Apple-Mail-1--194545266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 19:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56AFB3BEB6; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qEuJIK0zsDvAzg7ByNEgVR8kB7XEh/x1QIlXvZeY2nw=; b=b54Y6fOtoFN8MbtsynQ1SI6fpFneQODoffHWCxb/eCnLTFlRgPvq6pPooidYAcEuQ4BJW8wy8+9Ic8IYNufWvxFqb5IdcnN1DEhI/tmbr+JJ7fVsJS5i0POuXb9yW3+DSKrROcUhH5XQkvpkh75u/+ivBp7BEqArRAekJFOVUnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ypv8jePvaK5lXJKijP04SCgRmDwH1kaEX5n5iUS9PxPaecYolwlNB9yf6mE1koL8YdV7Vj6qXbUmtapUNo9NcreFFovhUJG2xGNau0CqD7M9sBswaL2OQjelASk/klWne9LvWSc7kDfAPR0JejA705RXsCwkvuVf7sNgGCnTq+4= Message-ID: <4759e5740801021159w4e659b42te300f583ff3cf970@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:59:48 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813" References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3dzogB.A.3oD.40-eHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:59:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, i find myself mixing from my motu as well, works like a million bucks, and it's great to have those results under MY hands instead of a club's length away at the sound desk. and you're right, the bass DOES get filled in nicely. Foam buds just have fallen out one too many times for me, no matter how efficiently I squish, but even so, I'm always trying a new pair just to see. and I agree, the ER-4s are indeed fantastic. The one thing I've really enjoyed about being wireless is attached to the portability of my instrument. Cuz i'm carrying the instrument around with me, I can feel assured that all effects and devices are on and inline, even when about to walk onstage.. great sense of security.. all best, zoe, Todd On 1/2/08, info at zoekeating wrote: > > > > > i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by > Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper > now. great company and i love their headphones. > > > custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that > come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i > tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less > when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother > me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online! > > > i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to > get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite > (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them > into my headphone mix. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote: > > After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt, I'm > > seriously thinking > > about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS. > > > > I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of > > 1) what's out there > > 2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality > > 3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot > > controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price) > > > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, i find myself mixing from my motu as well, works like a million bucks, and it's great to have those results under MY hands instead of a club's length away at the sound desk.  

and you're right, the bass DOES get filled in nicely.  Foam buds just have fallen out one too many times for me, no matter how efficiently I squish, but even so, I'm always trying a new pair just to see.  and I agree, the ER-4s are indeed fantastic.

The one thing I've really enjoyed about being wireless is attached to the portability of my instrument.  Cuz i'm carrying the instrument around with me, I can feel assured that all effects and devices are on and inline, even when about to walk onstage.. great sense of security.. 

all best, zoe, Todd

On 1/2/08, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com > wrote:


 
i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones.

 
custom molded ears haven't worked for me. i like little foam buds that come with my ER-4s so i can squish all the way in for soundcheck, and then i tend to leave them "half-in" for performance. the audio fidelity is less when they aren't all the way in your ears (less bass), but it doesn't bother me. the bass gets more than filled in once the house PA system comes online!

 
i just plug them into the headphone out of my Motu Ultralite. if i need to get a feed from another musician onstage, i patch them into the Ultralite (either from them, or their monitor mix from the house) too and put them into my headphone mix.

 

 

 

 
On Jan 2, 2008, at 6:40 AM, todd reynolds wrote:

After a recent discussion with Looperlative inventor, Bob Amstadt,  I'm  
seriously thinking
about investing in a pair of IN EAR MONITORS.

I know next to nothing about this subject in terms of
1) what's out there
2) what's out there that is inexpensive yet still mainting high quality  
3) if there are any particular bargains (like the FCB 1010 Midi foot
controller is.........with a lot quality at an amazingly low price)
 


 



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------=_Part_31698_6067623.1199303988813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:54:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D9563BEC2; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2485 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:54:06 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:09:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:54:06 +0000 (UTC) At 11:51 AM -0800 1/2/08, info at zoekeating wrote: >i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by >Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly >cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. I have the less expensive ER-6s (around $125, I think). And when I had a problem with them they sent me a replacement set. I am very plpeased with Etymotic Research (www.etymotic.com). I use their earplugs, too. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 20:59:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E3E3BECC; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:58:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s. I couldn't resist the = Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using these for would be = anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K square = feet?) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was amazing outside = on an open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors. We were on = sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that = Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp = during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's = serious low end, I like it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean = enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20 When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a = gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i = skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this = thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles = fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned = up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious.=20 I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer = for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity. = It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... =20 On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett = wrote: An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung = wrote: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max = (looper,=20 > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my = guitar. It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and = then > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It = would be below=20 > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > --=20 ---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just bought two of the powered Mackie = 1501s. I=20 couldn't resist the Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using = these for=20 would be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K = square=20 feet?)
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----

 
What=20 kinds of rooms Krispen?  The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18=20 push-pull cabs with 2k=20 watts apiece,  and it was amazing outside on an open field, = and=20 removed tooth fillings indoors.  We were on sort-of a budget, and = used=20 Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz = bassist)=20 used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our = campus and=20 remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it"  If it's enough = pound=20 for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20

When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up = in a=20 gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i = skipped to=20 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is = going to=20 be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because = I=20 "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond = reasonable=20 levels....  Delicious.

I also conveniently had neutrik = speakon=20 connectors for the subwoofer for my van at the time, and this = subwoofer in=20 there was just insanity.  It was an astro, and it would open the = side=20 windows...

<end of bass nerd gush fest>

On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett = <travishartnett@gmail.com>= =20 wrote:
An=20 octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz.


On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung = <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:
> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop = processing via=20 max (looper,
> other octave effects) that completely = transform the=20 sound of my guitar. It
> is not uncommon for me to play a low = E on the=20 guitar (82.4hz), and then
> apply a two octave drop.  I'm = not=20 sure what that would be. It would be below
> 41.2hz, which is = low E=20 on a bass=20 = guitar.
>
>
>


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---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_1AA1_01C84D47.9F8242B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:09:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069313BECA; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZW2GjOgxKLsrwAh5uzTQ1ZwrJ3WM2DQIAeLzWtCS/g34DAUuwSxySZ3bvfXZivxA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5909895.1199308189907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4822570f4d1466ac075f9d57235c25010a1a036a86675380a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Hey! yer talkin my language :-) >S T A N O S A U R< -----Original Message----- >From: samba - >...Some like it distorted enough that the pitch can't be distinguished,which makes the chord it's under difficult to impossible to identify. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 21:21:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C16DF3BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:21:28 UTC Message-ID: <20080102151445.0rtm2csveo0ggoko@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:14:45 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <1a5401c84d59$744f20b0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4cf76a0b0801021135o1a02f56n4fb91b7b0be2444e@mail.gmail.com> <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <1aa401c84d82$4c669e60$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <02VMBB.A.RGH.YBAfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Kris, You will love the subs. Another person mentioned that subs allow you to deliver a BIG sound at =20 moderate volume levels. That is precisely why I use them on my system. Incidentally, a 32' open pipe (Contra-low C) has a wavelength of 64' =20 at 1056/ft per second that equates to a frequency of 16.5hz. The =20 sound of a flue pipe is kind of like a tympani roll -- a reed pipe =20 sounds kind of like a motorboat. One does NOT need these huge pipes to play the organ -- but, oh man... =20 when they are there the sound is awesome! :) Enjoy those subs! -- Kevin Quoting Krispen Hartung : > I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s. I couldn't resist the =20 > Guitar Center price. :) The rooms I would be using these for would =20 > be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K =20 > square feet?) > > Kris > ----- Original Message ----- > > > What kinds of rooms Krispen? The PA I had most experience with =20 > was 2 x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was =20 > amazing outside on an open field, and removed tooth fillings =20 > indoors. We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound =20 > was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of =20 > these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and =20 > remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I like it" If it's enough =20 > pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take =20 > two :) > > When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a =20 > gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i =20 > skipped to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think =20 > this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam =20 > ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs =20 > marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels.... Delicious. > > I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the =20 > subwoofer for my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was =20 > just insanity. It was an astro, and it would open the side windows... > > > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote= : > > An octave below 41.2Hz would be 20.6Hz. > > > > On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via =20 > max (looper, > > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of =20 > my guitar. It > > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and t= hen > > apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. It =20 > would be below > > 41.2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 2 22:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5693BEC5; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3653 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:48:48 UTC Message-ID: <380-22008132214755783@M2W035.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Powered Subs Resent-Message-ID: <4Zy7ZB.A.goD.QTBfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, congratulations! hope I get to hear you perform through these in the not= too distant future=2E -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: Krispen Hartung khartung@cableone=2Enet Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:58:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Powered Subs I just bought two of the powered Mackie 1501s=2E I couldn't resist the Gui= tar Center price=2E :) The rooms I would be using these for would be anywhere between 100 to 500 seaters, or a medium size club (10K square feet=3F) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 What kinds of rooms Krispen=3F The PA I had most experience with was 2 = x 2x18 push-pull cabs with 2k watts apiece, and it was amazing outside on a= n open field, and removed tooth fillings indoors=2E We were on sort-of a budget, and used Peavey but the sound was clean enough that Ray Brown (amazing jazz bassist) used one of these as his bass amp during a jazz performance on our campus and remarked "wow! that's serious low end, I lik= e it" If it's enough pound for outside, and clean enough for jazz upright bass, I'll take two :)=20 When we unpacked everything in a store room, hooked it all up in a gleeful rush, put in the then recent crystal method vegas cd, and i skippe= d to 'cherry twist', while my boss said "hey, do you think this thing is going to be very loRRRAAAAAAMMMP" as three foam ceiling tiles fell down because I "accidentally" had several knobs marked gain turned up beyond reasonable levels=2E=2E=2E=2E Delicious=2E=20 I also conveniently had neutrik speakon connectors for the subwoofer for= my van at the time, and this subwoofer in there was just insanity=2E It w= as an astro, and it would open the side windows=2E=2E=2E =20 On Jan 2, 2008 8:27 AM, Travis Hartnett wro= te: An octave below 41=2E2Hz would be 20=2E6Hz=2E On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrot= e: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper,=20 > other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar=2E It > is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82=2E4hz), and= then > apply a two octave drop=2E I'm not sure what that would be=2E It wo= uld be below=20 > 41=2E2hz, which is low E on a bass guitar=2E > > > --=20 ---Miles Ward=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom - Microsoft=AE Exchange solutions from a leading provider -= http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/Exchange From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 00:15:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79543BEC7; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477C2972.6020204@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:16:50 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <4759e5740801020640o7566ef2p29f592d372a635a4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:15:00 +0000 (UTC) info at zoekeating wrote: > > > i've used for the last 3 years a pair of headphones called ER-4s by > Etymotic Research. think they were around 400 clams then, possibly > cheaper now. great company and i love their headphones. I'll second Zoe's recommendation. I started using Etymotics recently and have been really happy with them. I'm using the cheaper version (ER-6), and even those have excellent definition and transparency. I was listening to some jazz I had transcribed a few years ago, and discovered I'd made a voicing mistake that was painfully evident through the ER-6s, though not through the studio headphones I used at the time. Impressive. One concern, though, is that they have tiny little acoustic filters that provide a measure of equalization. It's good to order a spare set, because they, um, fill up with earwax. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 04:13:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B793BEC2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.158] From: samba - To: Subject: subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:13:04 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 04:13:05.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[F042BE10:01C84DBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:13:07 +0000 (UTC) --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stan ,I've heard your stuff at the loopfests-though always from outside ( = i do want my ears to last a few more years), and I definately dig what you= 're doing.I understand field effects you can only get at high volume level= s,as in the work of Glen Branca ,Hendrix of course ,who I heard live a few = times, Sonic Youth.When i heard SY live I stayed as far away form the mains= as I could physically get in the stadium w/ earplugs and it still hurt, bu= t I really dug what they did (except the quotidian 4/4 rock drumming,but t= hat's probably the only reference point for alot of their audience. Phil L= esh of the grateful dead ( love'em or hate'em,I don't care, but they were s= onic pioneers ) has done far more with subsonics than anyone else,playing t= hrough as many as 50, 15 in speakers,75k watts of power. and it was never p= ainful.=20 But in these scenes I was bitching about,the sunsonic distortion is in c= onflict with the aesthetics of the music being played . It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our huma= nity. Albert Einstein _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Stan ,I've heard your stuff at the loopfests-though always from outsi= de ( i do want my ears to last a few more years), and I definately  di= g what you're doing.I understand  field effects you can only get at hi= gh volume levels,as in the work of Glen Branca ,Hendrix of course ,who I he= ard live a few times, Sonic Youth.When i heard SY live I stayed as far away= form the mains as I could physically get in the stadium w/ earplugs and it= still hurt, but I really dug what they did (except the quotidian  4/4= rock drumming,but that's probably the only reference point for alot of the= ir audience.  Phil Lesh of the grateful dead ( love'em or hate'em,I do= n't care, but they were sonic pioneers ) has done far more with subsonics t= han anyone else,playing through as many as 50, 15 in speakers,75k watts of = power. and it was never painful.
  But in  these scenes I was= bitching about,the sunsonic distortion is in conflict with the aesthetics = of the music being played .

It has become appal= lingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.
Albert Einstein





i=92m is proud to pres= ent Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. Learn more = --_999f8ab3-926e-40f0-99b6-0a1280d6ba0e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 05:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9D33BECA; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <241c01c84dc6$977c7ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: subs Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:07:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:07:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the approach Billy Shehan used to = use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of some bomb = simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of watts. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the = approach Billy=20 Shehan used to use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of = some=20 bomb simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of = watts.
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_2419_01C84D8B.EA875630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 05:25:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB163BECF; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: OT: biggest loudest (was subs) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:23:08 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c84dc8$b9cfa410$2d6eec30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C84D85.ABAC6410" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNvzTMaPWQZ5keQIyRpCry/mAAgQAB/BHw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7215022b0000de27.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:25:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C84D85.ABAC6410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/1280821.html http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/is-this-the-worlds-largest-speaker/ -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C84D85.ABAC6410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/extreme_machines/1280821.ht= ml

 

http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/is-this-the-worlds-largest-speaker/

 

-Qua

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C84D85.ABAC6410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 05:34:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2683BED0; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:34:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Carlos Santana shredding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 05:39:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B6103BED3; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:39:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20080102212129.40CB23BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> <241c01c84dc6$977c7ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <241c01c84dc6$977c7ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: difficult listening Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c84dca$cf566f60$6e034e20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C84D87.C1332F60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchNxttogfOG+cWJQfWF4CVcNV4P8AAA5jag Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7594021a0000e28b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 05:39:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C84D87.C1332F60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002F_01C84D87.C1332F60" ------=_NextPart_001_002F_01C84D87.C1332F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kris and experimental and glitch fans, Check out the "Difficult Listening Channel" mp3 http://www.michaeloster.com/credits.htm podcast icon"Difficult Listening Channel - show 111" Like a Hollywood plastic surgeon, I did plenty of cutting to get this one just right. Edit after edit after edit. But that's what you love about this podcast. Headphone listening recommended. show release date 12-7-2007 Subscribe - xml or Download - mp3 ------=_NextPart_001_002F_01C84D87.C1332F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I agree - very funny. The keyboardplayer does Europes final coundown - doesen`t he ! Take I look at Eddie van Halen and Ozzy with Jake Lee. Their greate ! Rune F --- Rick Walker skrev: > Carlos Santana shredding: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE > > > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 06:45:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738E73BED6; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:45:45 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_" X-Originating-IP: [76.105.181.144] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:40:42 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 06:40:42.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FFE6030:01C84DD3] Resent-Message-ID: <7UzvJB.A.SOC.ZSIfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 06:45:45 +0000 (UTC) --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a crack up! At first I thought it was some awful glitch...I was had fo= r a minute Thank god Rick noted the "..funnier and funnier" part. I needed that J.D.Devros deafrose58 =20 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:34:19 -0800 >=20 > Carlos Santana shredding: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfNoZg9kl-zE >=20 >=20 > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox = 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/= --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What a crack up! At first I thought it was some awful glitch...I was had fo= r a minute
Thank god Rick noted the "..funnier and funnier"  part.<= br>I needed that

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The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an= Xbox 360 Console. Get it now! = --_7ec43286-ec53-431a-92e8-c53d9f005f15_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 09:36:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 610693BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=J12nBbJZU4uCnpiIcKHPHvuPxXbl6VqD54EY22TgShnGJWKP1wkA9N17e739oP73; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <29241185.1199352973208.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: subs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48ff9c9acb611cee43a95d78ed097e60943396037c9e1b016b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: <08xF0.A.0P.NyKfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC) hehe-yeah thats the ticket, Kris... w/out going into detail about my s o u n d-the parameters i set up before me involve regular guitars and regular amps and regular spkr cabs and then try to get thee lowest,deepest, biggest guitar sound that i can get. course i could get sound generators and oscillators and crown,macintosh power amps and p.a. systems-but it aint about that. s -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Jan 3, 2008 12:07 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: subs > >...I'm surprised Stan hasn't gone to the approach Billy Shehan used to use for his bass system stage. Somehow, he got a hold of some bomb simulation speakers and powered them with thousands of watts. > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 11:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0673BEC2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:16:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <477CC3F8.9040200@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:18:32 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dosburg Online" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EST/GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 14:07:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 687363BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=qAA9vybAuLGTzA9hLiYPpnGfHk9+0SerdisFCPDKpabP/tmfptLk/dgllqNAhdnddhWoVrDEyH9ZezPMniH8YPH/dhQY+cdJBMbGpmJtv4CjrtHnfvNlfvNISmFad4GbHEZjCipUvJvEa5YacXg8bRVLRgIS7gtbBDJWv7fcblI= ; X-YMail-OSG: LGzxkooVM1knHzkur7BtvibAd0DMy30G0lw80GhOtGsIiEEyt9EB1P8qrRkDKeeFDhWygfgyOajsDvPxFVhNVUeXRkrTWxSp2Sx6s5oArAF30NzBF7tYM745CcY- Message-ID: <002101c84e11$eb6cdd50$4201a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <612975.83370.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music - EVH Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080103-0, 03/01/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of EVH, i'm sure some of you have already seen this. Always check your sample rate folks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4 :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:42 AM Subject: RE: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music > > Hi ! > > I agree - very funny. The keyboardplayer does Europes > final coundown - doesen`t he ! > > Take I look at Eddie van Halen and Ozzy with Jake Lee. > Their greate ! > > Rune F > > --- Rick Walker skrev: > >> Carlos Santana shredding: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE >> >> >> keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. >> >> > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i ett. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 15:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512B83BEB6; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <00ed01c84dca$49e5d230$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT one of the funnier things I've seen in music Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 07:33:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Rick, On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Carlos Santana shredding: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNoZg9kl-zE > > keep watching, it gets funnier and funnier. That IS funny. But ya know . . . if he actually played a little more like that I'd probably buy his music more often. Cheers, Tk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 16:17:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993203BEAC; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080103111702.E44P7.458445.root@fepweb04> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 8:17:02 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: difficult listening Cc: Qua Veda In-Reply-To: <002d01c84dca$cf566f60$6e034e20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_I7yeC.A.YIG.DqQfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:17:07 +0000 (UTC) ---- Qua Veda wrote:=20 > Hey Kris and experimental and glitch fans,=20 >=20 > Check out the "Difficult Listening Channel" mp3 >=20 > http://www.michaeloster.com/credits.htm >=20 > podcast > icon"Difficult Listening Channel - show 111" Like a Hollywood plastic > surgeon, I did plenty of cutting to get this one just right. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:52:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90D1F3BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:44:24 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8EU37D.A.LlB.RDSfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Crew- A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 17:57:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C6F3BECA; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9VH1Xng5fE2+rDv2/IFwQlvRiz12yACiC5nrc7PnosU=; b=qsu4uS99JKFViw3mqEZ9JyxcP6eMdjkMbpEUL7iC9uWGgw0Mi/byWOkW9+iSpaq9T/oEdax82+7Xl95Zcy/xR0IeQCx9Dx+llexZcWxOqhqVOGdhrbtVmP5J4Y4SnOmlfMtRqbx3C73TykVG9xZcQW2Uwc3ZQEGGYzS/i8uMPtI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X0ldEaH3x3DYvtdwjnvoGBW0nGtzyVEw+CmHiL3ulSypNIbzTch0jtC9JQt3pY6m5ffE0/HylcCmdoO+uJJC9rKbcVa8WGR4lxCpGVDaNJ9fMuQUPK3aFnmYIbm/0qk0g47qV1ZZBWcbmvXHPO02TEeRCif22VvUijm248fkDrc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:57:43 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Resent-Message-ID: <-ecpG.A.n5B.ZISfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:57:45 +0000 (UTC) I used to do something similar with an RDS8000 set to eight seconds and an EDP set to twenty seconds, and one of them on high feedback, one on single repeat. It worked very well, particularly with a Vortex on the long loop. On Jan 3, 2008 9:44 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:25:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B8F73BEB9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 666007893/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.254.61 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.254.61 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KABi3fEdPSv49/2dsb2JhbACCIgSoGoIY Message-ID: <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:25:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pigtronix-Phi-Echolution-Delay-Pedal?sku=156513 Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:34:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8406B3BEA9; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:34:04 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Badass-looking box. Anyone own it? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pigtronix-Phi-Echolution-Delay-Pedal?sku=156513 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2CA33BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=O8ijk9voHbo+QV427WI3t7QEKtrIHMJdrS1fNoo9Uu8=; b=kcGj5/IAvKFHDJxFk+nZ/Gq7BTsDqyu6+ViU0CUs9k5yJJiYWvJAf86vOob7C26IGQlMUc8sfpRcXVPkuXZvWp1Arn2CdruLXGYeIHlPCOlW+2XpEEfvFb1evWv6OxtdXY2IQeQHJkp8X2IbVAwdOZgI0SE2lAm6HhEPgLa2pI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZbMgJ7fUCx0abm6F6T2UXJhtJfyWzaR6Vv/K1wNijHcTj0Cx5JQeRswjifQbdc5wUlRlcw1lXsdz38Rm7AhCoUXf1V6i5TQOf+kLpfuu82h6grJjdTxTmg1YUv08dY+nT3a5dvSrbDuFWRezS1wwojBam8N0LApabj3UYap05zg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:39:07 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Looks very cool. There's a Sustain pedal too. Apparently they sent one to Fripp (he's got a pic on his diary.) I think I need one. yeah, that's it. I NEED one, 'cause I don't have enough toys yet! ;l) Tony On Jan 3, 2008 1:34 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Badass-looking box. Anyone own it? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pigtronix-Phi-Echolution-Delay-Pedal?sku=156513 > > > > From wisdom.hlabangwane@hercesa.com Thu Jan 3 18:50:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:50:35 UTC Received: from harbpublib.suffolk.lib.ny.us (harbpublib.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.23.117]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F1E43BEA9 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from spcf ([163.75.124.25]) by harbpublib.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id m03IuYGG019008; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c84e3a$1077de60$197c4ba3@spcf> From: To: Subject: Happy New Year To You! Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:54:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Opportunities for the New 2008 Year http://newyearwithlove.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 18:56:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF9953BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1676 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:56:36 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=m0bAMH3Ardc/Ste3MUNOxhrePHMHIlaLVyv1dQaDv6U=; b=hCI3ZI4Hu0QDi+d81OnBCXFJM3cbKkvIkGUWiT917oGJiH2cOSk37/UFYM5nbV6y2wMc+8nWE/1SfCDpWYTrCTyljXpPenWU8YmpB13ElA/ESOeLOY3UoKSK33+8f10vZK6cUNcqZh3gbQ0IWvDCvzXR+W03agvHQFm3QDyZoUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YjG8jBh7OXBCUSCmuks0PUgNQ8Rd+QU5KSqcKE5rfHyBoWVPyPsd8H6czBqEXkSPX26pG72wIdvfbQIXLVd+yI8VO7g45lK9PbpynsgcSdHR7avJXO2cqu2XkayahnF1g5ASyeRFnQ3e6b60Bdhm+zH2BeNnwmiHXWaMLvfhRI8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801031028j12b76fc8nf3e5ce9df914cb71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:28:38 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37347_24147112.1199384918851" References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Resent-Message-ID: <1yYYlB.A.vPE.k_SfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37347_24147112.1199384918851 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 3, 2008 6:44 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and > was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this > realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > Yes. I have always liked using delays with that relation to the basic tempo. Just because it sounds good though - not because I knew it corresponded to what mathematic and construction science use to call The Golden Ratio. Thanks for pointing that out! :-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_37347_24147112.1199384918851 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Jan 3, 2008 6:44 PM, Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net> wrote:
Hi Crew-
   A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was
delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm
and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays?


Yes. I have always liked using delays with that relation to the basic tempo. Just because it sounds good though - not because I knew it corresponded to what mathematic and construction science use to call The Golden Ratio. Thanks for pointing that out!  :-)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_37347_24147112.1199384918851-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 19:08:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114D33BEB2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GiKMA5dGqtCYTjfwdxxOP/MrzNr4wviivSCrD7Bokn887GMksTqN7SampRPKTdj3; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:08:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b5711205ecb3da1e07b8c268966a25fd818e82a7adbe95019c28c43350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies, rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio. You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the page. http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely scratched the surface of the possibilities. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 20:37:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6813BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1916 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:37:42 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AtMail PHP 5.04 Message-ID: <28578.1199390746@theclaypools.com> To: Reply-To: loren@theclaypools.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 207.250.87.252 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:05:46 -0600 Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? From: loren@theclaypools.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:37:42 +0000 (UTC) Douglas,=20 Did you set up the two delays in parallel or series? If in series, which wa= s first? Thanks, Loren Claypool genre-indifferent instrumental guitar music www.lorenclaypool.com www.myspace.com/lorenclaypool On Thu , Douglas Baldwin sent: >Hi Crew- >A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was >delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this real= m >and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >www.thecoyote.org >coyote >lk@optonline.net > >"The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." >- Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 21:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03D943BEC1; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:03:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #560 for December 27, 2007. To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <477D4D84.9080302@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <7i3pc.A.qxC.a4UfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Here is last week's playlist. Be sure to tune in for tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071227.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #560 December 27, 2007. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Genesis" on Spotted Peccary Records. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Jeff Greinke Ascent Winter Light (Lotuspike) K. Hoffmann-Hoock & Virupaksha Conundrum (DiN) B. Wostheinrich M. Reuter and Reminder Eleven Questions (Unsung) R. Rich Centrozoon Field 4 Ovefield (Unsung) Alpha Wave Movement Awakening the Sand Drifted Into Deeper Lands Spirits (HRR) Radio Massacre Dubly Blacker (Northern Echo) International Numina Secret Souls Shift to the Ghost (Hypnos) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Craig Padilla Genesis Genesis (Spotted Peccary) Craig Padilla Moon Tides Genesis (Spotted Peccary) Craig Padilla Ascension Genesis (Spotted Peccary) Craig Padilla Message from Within Genesis (Spotted Peccary) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin s month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dosburg Online" on Revisited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 22:18:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 384433BEC2; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200814322184448@M2W042.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:18:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:18:07 +0000 (UTC) These ratios are also excellent for acoustics, speaker placement, etc=2E =20= e=2Eg=2E use ratios to calculate optimal distance from walls that are not= multiples of the L,W, or H of the room=2E=20 -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: JC jcmg@earthlink=2Enet Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:08:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone=3F Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies= , rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc=2E) from the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio=2E =2E=2E=2E=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you=3F http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 22:44:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA2B3BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=D4Ib2oFTY7QzIdqinxXfgfwG4qgCFNTETg0k76Z71x45dP6Vb8dli8fK+G3eP5d8; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:44:13 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fw: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48ed4577f84be5f768ef8a007e338e38802601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:44:14 +0000 (UTC) brings back memories from seminary-oops! ART school where we learned the hi= story of the golden mean-it really goes thru most of history and we student= s found its use in the most mundane places-mixtures of paint-equations for = mixing mediums and of course for great canvases of oil and tempera and case= in. >of course when my painting instructor had us try to maintain the golden me= an in our paintings-i immediately began to paint square canvases-perhaps th= e hardest format to have creative and interesting designs w/in. >and this is a good book to get anyone started on the beauty inherent in th= e golden mean. >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802715397/ref=3Dwl_it_dp?ie=3DUTF8&colii= d=3DIJ8TRJOMSK0T9&colid=3D2RN1Z1UBOIRPI > >-----Original Message----- >>From: "qua@oregon.com" >>Sent: Jan 3, 2008 5:18 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? >> >>These ratios are also excellent for acoustics, speaker placement, etc. = =20 >>e.g. use ratios to calculate optimal distance from walls that are not >>multiples of the L,W, or H of the room.=20 >>-Qua >> >>Original Message: >>----------------- >>From: JC jcmg@earthlink.net >>Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:08:25 -0800 >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? >> >> >>Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencie= s, >>rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci >>sequence and the Golden Ratio. .... >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>mail2web.com =C2=96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:28:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197E43BEB0; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_82a4f36b-11ad-48ee-9f0b-7885dfa740b9_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.171.64] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:28:53 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2008 23:28:53.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[674792F0:01C84E60] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:28:55 +0000 (UTC) --_82a4f36b-11ad-48ee-9f0b-7885dfa740b9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry tcome in so late on this thread...the month of Dec found me with more= gigs than any of you really want to know about...and so busy that respondi= ng to emails was quite out of the picture....=20 =20 I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi looper= . I am quite intriqued with this as I really am looking for something of a = "loose cannon" looper; something which will not produce pristine audio, and= will, in fact, not behave in any predictable or prescribed way (As most fx= devices will). I do understand the limitations of the device...but actual= ly find those somewhat "embraceable"..... I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with fx, wil= l somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which is being looped (in my case, b= ass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into another looping devi= ce. =20 =20 Which brings me to the list of what you don't like about loopers..... I have an EDP...hardly use it, tho it does incredible stuff, as I find it's= sound quality just too digital. I love my old Lexi JamMan just for the op= posite reason; quite fantastic sound on bass!The JamMan has an upgrade Bob = Sellon Chip and so hardly even resembles the original unit. =20 I had a cpl of DL4s which I found the digital artifacts to be too harsh to = justify usage.....but recently picked up an Akai Headrush E2 which I love. =20 The JamMan and Akai both have limiations (no midi on the HR, limited sample= time limited bandwidth),but rather than complain and get frustrated with t= hese limiations, i choose to embrace them...finding the limiations of the d= evices to be a way to enhance creativity...makingthe most with what you hav= e, so to speak. =20 Max _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= --_82a4f36b-11ad-48ee-9f0b-7885dfa740b9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry tcome in so late on this thread...the month of Dec found me with = more gigs than any of you really want to know about...and so busy that resp= onding to emails was quite out of the picture....
 
I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi l= ooper. I am quite intriqued with this as I really am looking for something = of a "loose cannon" looper; something which will not produce pristine audio= , and will, in fact, not behave in any predictable or prescribed way (As mo= st fx devices will).  I do understand the limitations of the device...= but actually find those somewhat "embraceable".....
I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with fx, wil= l somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which is being looped (in my case, b= ass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into another looping devi= ce. 
 
Which brings me to the list of what you don't like about loopers.....
I have an EDP...hardly use it, tho it does incredible stuff, as I find it's= sound quality just too digital.  I love my old Lexi JamMan just for t= he opposite reason; quite fantastic sound on bass!The JamMan has an upgrade= Bob Sellon Chip and so hardly even resembles the original unit.
 
I had a cpl of DL4s which I found the digital artifacts to be too harsh to = justify usage.....but recently picked up an Akai Headrush E2 which I love.<= BR>  
The JamMan and Akai both have limiations (no midi on the HR, limited sample= time limited bandwidth),but rather than complain and get frustrated with t= hese limiations, i choose to embrace them...finding the limiations of the d= evices to be a way to enhance creativity...makingthe most with what you hav= e, so to speak.
 
Max


Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows = Live. Get it now! = --_82a4f36b-11ad-48ee-9f0b-7885dfa740b9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:40:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1C763BEC5; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkVdr9o= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:41:18 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c84e62$234587e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchOYGiswpGscBXgSU2OkXN0nRO+FgAAJRSw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <6Qt_qD.A.GgB.-JXfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:40:46 +0000 (UTC) > I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with fx, will somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which > is being looped (in my case, bass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into another looping device. I assume for one moment that you do not want to use a computer-based solution (this would be the easiest solution for a few reasons), here are a few suggestions. First, though, I'd like to understand your quest better: I do not fully understand what you mean by "mangle the audio which is being looped". Do you want to mangle it 1) before it is looped, 2) after it is looped or 3) each time the loop comes round? If 1) or 2), how is that different to treating a loop with fx? If 3), the way I understand it, the LoFi Loop Junky won't do that, either, does it? Now to my suggestion: For that, you need a (long) delay effect with tap tempo (or a looper with adjustable feedback), a fx box for mangling and in most cases a small mixer. Send your input signal (bass) to the delay/looper. Set the delay/looper's feedback to 0%! Send the direct signal of the delay/looper to the mains and its fx signal into the fx box. Send the fx box' output (perhaps through a volume pedal) back to the delay/looper input. Is this what you're looking for? Or do you require it in one box? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 3 23:48:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B62233BEB6; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jfmHUGyPAAAA:8 a=qgwKDyz3I39-W_1EhbwA:9 a=4K9HojCHDYExI3QVY2RFp-ISsToA:4 a=bgAgzZxQv2QA:10 a=bc-At0-sGGwA:10 In-Reply-To: <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:48:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:48:35 +0000 (UTC) the luthier who made my new cello showed how he drafted the pattern by using the "golden section"...basically using a compass to step through a sequence of ratios and thereby create a drawing from which the instrument is carved. neat. On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : > 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in > this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:16:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D67883BEC1; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477D7AE1.4030307@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:16:33 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread References: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:16:40 +0000 (UTC) The new Memory Man w/Hazarai, 16-Second DD, and the Pigtronix mentioned earlier all allow modulation of the loop, which while not entirely unpredictable, will get you partway there and have more flexibility than the Zvex. If you want to stick with analog, try tape. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi > looper. I am quite intriqued with this as I really am looking for > something of a "loose cannon" looper; something which will not produce > pristine audio, and will, in fact, not behave in any predictable or > prescribed way (As most fx devices will). I do understand the > limitations of the device...but actually find those somewhat > "embraceable"..... > I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with > fx, will somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which is being looped > (in my case, bass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into > another looping device. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:26:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7313BEC5; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.ne t> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:26:36 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:26:41 +0000 (UTC) At 11:28 PM +0000 1/3/08, max valentino wrote: > >I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi >looper. I am quite intriqued with this as I really am looking for >something of a "loose cannon" looper; something which will not >produce pristine audio, and will, in fact, not behave in any >predictable or prescribed way (As most fx devices will). I do >understand the limitations of the device...but actually find those >somewhat "embraceable"..... >I am looking for something that, as opposed to treating a loop with >fx, will somewhat mutate and mangle the audio which is being looped >(in my case, bass). For Ods and such I can alwys re-sample that into >another looping device. Well, I know I'm one of at least a couple of people on this list who have a Lo-Fi Loop Junky. And, despite my earlier pointing-out of its flaws, I really rather like it (remember: the topic is "what you *don't* like about your looper"). It's small, it's battery-operated, it's immediate, it's very 'what you see is what you get', and it'll fit in your pocket on the way to a gig. The loops sit well with other material because of their restricted tonal range. And the loop will stay stored inside it until cockroaches emerge from the vast nuclear wasteland. That said, I have a hard time recommending it to you if you're going to use it for Bass. The reason being that I don't believe it'll actually be lo-fi enough to really do what you want. When I first got mine, I began using it on my 10-string Stick, specifically on the Bass side. And I was having real problems with the Depth controls on the pitch warble. Unless I dialed it up to 100%, I couldn't hear any effect -- and even then I could barely tell any difference at all. I even contacted Zachary Vex, believing that there must be something defective with my unit. Zach replied back that you're actually not likely to hear the effect in any great amount unless you're playing in the pitch range above the 12th fret on a guitar. It seems my unit was behaving as specced, it's just that the Loop Junky wasn't well suited for low-end content. So, if you take away its chorusey, demented pitch-wobble it gives, you're really left mostly with a signal that's been cut off extremely at the high end, and bit at the low end too. On Bass, I've found it sounds about the same as throwing a blanket over your cabinet, or dialing out all the treble and bass from your amp. But at the Bass end, it seems to cease behaving in an "unpredictable" manner. If that's the range of harmonic spectra you're going to be using it on, you could probably do just as well to spend only a little money on an EQ pedal, then just use your normal Looper, IMNSHO. That'll save you about $400, I believe. Of course, if you're using it on something different, please disregard this advice, because it can sound *really* cool on instruments/content pitched up in the higher ranges. Be sure to try one out yourself before buying, though. I'm not certain it's going to fit your needs as you've outlined them here. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:36:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D723D3BEC2; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e801c84e6a$494026a0$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <4779763D.2010501@soundscapes.us> Subject: OT:Questions re your US income tax returns for 2007 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 17:39:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080103-0, 01/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:36:47 +0000 (UTC) If anyone has any questions regarding your US income tax returns, you can contact me offline for confidential advice, no charge. I'm also a CPA (Certified Public Accountant) with more years of experience than I care to admit (actually 40 :) I am familiar with foreign and interneational tax issues, although I can only advise on the US side. Happy 2008! tOM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 00:38:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AD473BEB2; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <477D7AE1.4030307@mhorse.com> References: <25298266.1199400253465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net > <477D7AE1.4030307@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:38:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 00:38:55 +0000 (UTC) At 6:16 PM -0600 1/3/08, Daryl Shawn wrote: >The new Memory Man w/Hazarai, 16-Second DD, and the Pigtronix >mentioned earlier all allow modulation of the loop, which while not >entirely unpredictable, will get you partway there and have more >flexibility than the Zvex. If you want to stick with analog, try >tape. Oh, and if you want real unpredictability (and I say that like its a good thing ;) take a look at grabbing a pedal with a Feedback Loop and sticking a few different stompboxes into it. For example: Devi Ever's Eye of God ( http://www.deviever.com/fx/index.html and click on the 'eye of god' link on the left), Effector13's Truly Beautiful Disaster ( http://www.oohlalamanufacturing.com/tbd.html ), or Blackbox's Quicksilver ( http://www.oohlalamanufacturing.com/quicksilver.html ), to name but a few. You can have a *whole* lot of cool unpredictable fun with these things. Not to mention it'll allow you to recycle pedals that you may not have had a use for. --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:07:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2FDD3BEA4; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:02:36 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: (OT) Photography books and on-line photo essays from Doctor T. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I am very happy to announce that three photography books I created in 2007 are now available for ordering or previewing at http://www.blurb.com/user/DoctorT? Over the Edge (240 pages, 7 x 7, $65 hardcover, $50 paper) is a sprawling visual improvisation, similar to one of my live video performances, but without the sound and at a pace set by the viewer. Variations (Seven Photo Compositions) (120 pages, 13 x 11, $100 hardcover) is a collection of photographic sequences or compositions, each of which is organized around a specific theme, much as a musical composition can be organized around a melodic theme, rhythm, or set of chord changes. The compositions are titled Car Reflections, Vancouver Blues, Notes from Underground, Cut Flower Variations, Sign Jazz, Car 4468, and Mappings. To Beauty (Reflections of a Photographer and Improvisor) (96 pages, 8 x 10, $55 hardcover, $45 paper) is a book illustrating a poem about why I do photography and what I think about when I do it. I may revise and extend it in the future. Selected images from the books can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603611028908/ Additional photo essays can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603617398527/ If any of you see any images here that you would like to use for a CD cover, contact me off-list. (Maybe that makes this post less OT-:) -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B3593BEB9; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.150.10.244] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: ZVEX LoFi Looper Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:19:53 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2008 01:19:53.0162 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8A67AA0:01C84E6F] Resent-Message-ID: <0P7jK.A.KOG.6mYfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the responses...perhaps I was a bit more oblique than necessary. I understand the laptop setup...as well as various delay lines/fx lines, bu= t that is a direction I am not, at this time ,interested in going. For the= past several years I have been scaling back the amount of technology I use= in my solo/looping performances. Of recent I have scaled it back to just = a looper (usually my modified Lexi JamMan) and a reverb (my choice being m= y Demeter spring verb...but lately have been usig a TC M-One). Now I have e= ven scaled that back to only a looper (one recent performance was just bass= and the Akai Headrush). This has been quite deliberate, and while I am neither "anti-digital" nor a= nti-fx, I have found, with great success, that the somewhat severe limitati= ons I have placed on my own gear has increased the musicality of my solo pe= rformance (again, forcing me to make most use of what I have....). The les= s I have to mess with, the more I make with what I have....... Of course, I have a few hardware loopers (Headrush, DL4, JamMan, EDP) , a d= ecent laptop and some software loopers (mobius...Live...) quite a few mul= ti-fx processors (Lexicon, TC, Eventide) and a gaggle of stomp boxes...so t= he actually "mangling" of loops is totally possible. But, what I wish to d= o is only use loops...no fx, no "treatments", no submixes, no complex routi= ng assignments....no MIDI. I want to keep the nature of the performance (a= nd this is all about live performance looping) as a solo thing. And, there= fore am not all that interested in making more sounds "than would seem huma= nly possible" (have already gone that route...and I certainly enjoy all of = you that do, but am looking at a different avenue for myself...). I want to take the "solo bass and loops" description to its' most extreme I= suppose.....JUST solo bass and loops. Very direct, yet hardly "minimalist= ". Limiting the nuber of flashing LEDs, buttons, and footswitches with whic= h I must interface. I have drifted from doing 100% improvised shows to shows which were 70% imp= rovisation and 30% "composed" to now doing things with looping where the pi= eces are 90-95% composed with only a little improvisation involved. The lo= opage is no longer the "attratction" but merely a component (albeit a very = necessary one) of the composition which drifts in and out of "played" secti= ons. Often it is difficult to distinguish the looped parts from the played= parts. What I am looking for is a supplementary looping device which does not nece= ssarily have pristine audio quality, and one which does just spit out what = you put into it. One which rather "does" something (this can be quite subt= le or drastic) to the audio input; distorts it, warbles it, lowers the fide= lity....so that it does not sound so much like the "played" section. Also = it would help it these behaivoirs were less than predictable--adding a litt= le mischief to what are composed pieces. From my understanding the Zvex "m= ay" do some of this. I was wondering how anyone had used one in the real wo= rld. Another thought has been tape loops...and devices like the Fulltone tape ec= ho have crossed my mind. But I was thinking, and perhaps totally offbase, = that the zvex would add some lofi "vibe" to things to supplement the more f= eatured loopers I use. FWIW..in solo performances I do play quite a bit of chordal passgaes..as we= ll as playing high on the bass neck (would that still be too low to the zve= x modul. to make any notable warbles?) Does this make sense to anyone? Max _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 01:59:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A60D3BEB6; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:58:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: ZVEX LoFi Looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:59:03 +0000 (UTC) At 1:19 AM +0000 1/4/08, max valentino wrote: > >FWIW..in solo performances I do play quite a bit of chordal >passgaes..as well as playing high on the bass neck (would that still >be too low to the zvex modul. to make any notable warbles?) Well, up in that range on a Bass you are going to hear a bit of something. However, the big question is, will it be enough to satisfy you? It wasn't enough for me, so I merely decided to dedicate my Loop Junky to different instruments. But I was really looking for an effect that's similar to what you hear/see during the "doubling notes" section on Zvex's demonstration video (I'm betting you probably already know the video to which I'm referring). Notice that Zach is demonstrating above the 12th fret of a guitar there. So to get that level of effect, you'd need to play in such a tonal range or above, it seems. Like I said, you'll hear a bit of that effect when you're doing Bass chords and lines high on the neck. I'd merely try it before buying to make sure it gives you enough warbley-warp to satisfy you. --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 03:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17163BEB9; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:16:03 UTC Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:15:57 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: RE: ZVEX LoFi Looper X-Originating-IP: [71.243.179.152] To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <11742904.4377481199412957508.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:16:03 +0000 (UTC) The EHX 16 second delay can warble notes and can be done right weird. I have owned the lo fi loop junky (2X) and the 16 second delay (2x). I own just the 16 second delay, although I will try to get another lo fi loop junky some time in the future because it is a special pedal. The first one I had was outstanding and I regret selling it. The second was less stellar. In any case, I have used the 16 second delay with my lap steel and with bass and I think that it works well with both. It is a little less warm than the lo fi loop junky, but warmer than other digital delays that I have used. I usd the lo fi loop junky once with an upright bass (at the time I didn't own an electric bass) and it wasn't particularly memorable. The 16 second delay sounded better with my upright, although still not perfect. However, the 16 second delay sounds great with my electric. I have also owned the Akai E2 and like the 16 second delay better because it can get warbly, flangy, phasey, weird, and has octave and other stuff that make it wonderfully odd. I also find it reasonably simple to use. From: Mech Date: 2008/01/03 Thu PM 07:58:59 CST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ZVEX LoFi Looper At 1:19 AM +0000 1/4/08, max valentino wrote: > >FWIW..in solo performances I do play quite a bit of chordal >passgaes..as well as playing high on the bass neck (would that still >be too low to the zvex modul. to make any notable warbles?) Well, up in that range on a Bass you are going to hear a bit of something. However, the big question is, will it be enough to satisfy you? It wasn't enough for me, so I merely decided to dedicate my Loop Junky to different instruments. But I was really looking for an effect that's similar to what you hear/see during the "doubling notes" section on Zvex's demonstration video (I'm betting you probably already know the video to which I'm referring). Notice that Zach is demonstrating above the 12th fret of a guitar there. So to get that level of effect, you'd need to play in such a tonal range or above, it seems. Like I said, you'll hear a bit of that effect when you're doing Bass chords and lines high on the neck. I'd merely try it before buying to make sure it gives you enough warbley-warp to satisfy you. --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 04:43:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4DC33BEC2; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:29:58 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace To: Message-id: <005901c73082$28d9e9c0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> <000a01c84cb6$54279c20$99cc5548@hppav> <87a9d0f01a260215fff092eb1b79a335@charter.net> <003001c84cc6$ae7c5ac0$0b751040$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:43:36 +0000 (UTC) My thanks to everyone who replied (on list or privately). David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: RE: new UNDO music posted to myspace > I agree, very nice! Listening to "09099" right now - love it:-) > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: new UNDO music posted to myspace > > DK, > > Very nice stuff indeed. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 06:50:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C2333BEB6; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00da01c84e9e$1931ea00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: ZVEX Lofi and "what you don't like about your looper" thread Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 22:50:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Max Valentino wrote: " Sorry to come in so late on this thread...the month of Dec found me with more gigs than any of you really want to know about...and so busy that responding to emails was quite out of the picture.... I was wonderin' if any of you have had much exp. with the Zvex lo-fi looper." Hey Max, There has already been a lot of discusson about the Z-vex; in this thread and in earlier ones. Just use the archive search list to find them or go back and read this thread in order (it's been a pretty good one and not all that long). Welcome back after your heavy December. Funny you should say how busy you are. I had the single worst December of my entire professional music career. I had one Christmas gig and it got cancelled. First New Years Eve I've sat at home in 25 years. Luckily, I"ve been desiring some free time to work on my upcoming tour and recordings so I had a good time. Maybe I should move to Bakersfield from hip but incredibly impoverished Santa Cruz. Happy New Years Buddy!!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 10:38:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B2243BEC1; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:38:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:38:04 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ie; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W2TbL6F3PVp9twgV+Jjm3ROP77ebnAQzKiGzwLr9XJxiLPItw6DWuYEBbwCfGbOxWeIV4MkUdiBAeUcoPDkUgXyv2L8p3ncmk5uXR3UwR2dcnVZQJBRZ6dAfLYoS44fM9akJ/rF8oPOYZ/Z1M51pJc5VXuMx32G+K8r2+W9FCKs=; X-YMail-OSG: kJMDuNcVM1mmYYQ090JpS.c_5MNFSgR_paX1nqTdKx0pHnfi8Wd1FIjG0_9CiDvwJFbi6M87qSRvCSJybfa.mJX7ruaaXoyGpjNf9ygZcnzA_ML_YAgtZWmxwZI- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:31:23 +0000 (GMT) From: brendan mccloskey Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1385353310-1199442683=:22469" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <909647.22469.qm@web27414.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:38:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1385353310-1199442683=:22469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1385353310-1199442683=:22469 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1385353310-1199442683=:22469-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:38:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D4043BEB8; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:37:10 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? To: loren@theclaypools.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005601c84edf$b42423c0$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <28578.1199390746@theclaypools.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:38:09 +0000 (UTC) > Did you set up the two delays in parallel or series? If in series, which was first? Two relatively short delays (in the 500ms range) in series, with the longer delay coming first. Moderately high feedback. One note would ping-ping-ping into a kind of whirl of infinity, like looking into the eye of a hurricane. Highly recommended. I'm really eager to work with this using long delays, and to explore other ratios that do not have low common denominators. It's kind of an "anti-groove" concept, but immediately attractive to the ear. Well, at least MY ear. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 14:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E94E03BECA; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NI6KEVUKFA+SQ6InKMBhfwok/Yk4oMImixvXS+lCe4Q=; b=nDg0MQsb3Aee8W99Cs8dUtJSOebqRHPUcL4l7PXO5m4CAQCM4TBKDEgDKtPal0NFwOH5dkmiR/uSvGlbNOCRDfWpG8FOE8pPKX8LJxsdEDeozW7KQnAIgNSsdprCL2R9w3aVhE7o6PVz87IhbnMWhUrlMscYzZR2zy7Oi2/14i4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YsmEyQg1DIIwWAp9h648kLgxvDIYw+R9ZEJYueVvULOKT8tNUtdn0EgBUOz0vmtB4oklUcwD41dxL4wn00qAUMbWaKb1g1HX9jLXUjO3zTTEY1jCx9fjuM6KzJafSqFaf97IWI3axmgW/bq5ZdZmIY2XMm3otHuL8VhEq90qqfg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 06:45:35 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8071_27781801.1199457935249" References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> Resent-Message-ID: <7jYUmB.A.2qB.SakfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:45:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8071_27781801.1199457935249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe? It'll melt your face!Listen That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers think! -Miles On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC wrote: > Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything > (frequencies, > rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci > sequence and the Golden Ratio. > You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the > page. > http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm > Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely > scratched the surface of the possibilities. > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > Via Sinistrae > www.viasinistrae.com > http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ > Other Sites > http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ > http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ > http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Baldwin" > To: ; > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM > Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? > > > > Hi Crew- > > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and > was > > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this > realm > > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > www.thecoyote.org > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > > > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_8071_27781801.1199457935249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe?  It'll melt your face!


That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers think!
-Miles


On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net> wrote:
Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies,
rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci
sequence and the Golden Ratio.
You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the
page.
http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm
Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely
scratched the surface of the possibilities.

JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com
Via Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
Other Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/
http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Baldwin" < coyotelk@optonline.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
< Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone?


> Hi Crew-
>     A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and
was
> delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this
realm
> and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays?
>
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> www.thecoyote.org
> coyotelk@optonline.net
>
> "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."
> - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
>




--
---Miles Ward
------=_Part_8071_27781801.1199457935249-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 4 15:16:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6963BEAC; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Golden Ratio, anyone? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:16:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C84EA1.C063DB50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchO4Ml7xrEjLTvCQGmEmbZHOVMLcgAA7WHg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D4e4702e20000b2cf.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:16:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C84EA1.C063DB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great music and surround effects, DVD is also visually stunning. Btw, regarding ratios, to achieve this, are you using one delay , say 1sec in series or parallel with another delay of 1.6sec or 0.6sec? is that the idea? -Q From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe? It'll melt your face! Listen That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers think! -Miles On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC wrote: Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies, rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio. You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the page. http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely scratched the surface of the possibilities. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Baldwin" < coyotelk@optonline.net> To: ; < Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? > Hi Crew- > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and was > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this realm > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C84EA1.C063DB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Great music and surround effects,  DVD is also = visually stunning.

Btw,   regarding ratios,    to = achieve this,  are you using one delay , say 1sec in series or parallel with another delay of 1.6sec = or  0.6sec?   is that the idea?

 

-Q

 

From:= miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?

 

Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This = Binary Universe?  It'll melt your face!

 

That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to = know what other loopers think!

-Miles

 

 

On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies,
rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the = Fibonacci
sequence and the Golden Ratio.
You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on = the
page.
http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm=
Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I = barely
scratched the surface of the possibilities.

JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com
Via Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
Other Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/
http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/

----- Original = Message -----
From: "Douglas Baldwin" < coyotelk@optonline.net>
= To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>;
< Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone?


> Hi Crew-
>     A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio = (1.618 : 1) and
was
> delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in = this
realm
> and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays?
>
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> www.thecoyote.org
> coyotelk@optonline.net
>
> "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."
> - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
>




--
---Miles Ward

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Yours faithfully, Mrs Fred Jones For Claims Manager From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 05:36:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A1B3BEB6; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 05:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 636 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:36:01 UTC Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:25:22 -0800 From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <3F202745-0117-1000-9044-628705EEE1E0-Webmail-10015@mac.com> Subject: timefactor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.61.20.122 Resent-Message-ID: <-D_vd.A.7ZH.BdxfHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 05:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey, Can anybody describe more clearly than the timefactor manual does, the way the decay works on the looper? For example, which fades out--the original 'base' loop, or the overdubs? Or both? toby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 06:32:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 686D63BEAC; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=fmTcqERDqciLF2o29Rew5uaWOsvTlaNt/KGykPsYU80=; b=Ss1WLaVDPlkpNhrCvIhvD04PP2tbupgLgay74ZjiaQuyViK6eS6Ex7crCNYjq9DOxqzDsB8VHKNLaUOG2CiajfmNwyHRom+2Uj9gVZSMgGkjexJfkHLkDbpDHgANVyMVUf/Tm346vPZt/4VKEZed+ufymRs7oOXtwNma4YvAO8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fydUaIfvDuPT3I6HplWvzx2zXrrUrmzUbQQY2fw8MIQq4n8cG5oSDXBacUoSzCPL/uvCQWivh8RBM6OygFTor6gGxGlGePW8ja6fh4+6LcfyPE1xRRfBhHT4+AzKM4C2fyca0YlMWu8L7pOn3ZvET2blOnTJDb4VXZbCT2Dq0PI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:32:48 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: New SKB case for FCB? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41370_27290348.1199514768982" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:32:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41370_27290348.1199514768982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Anyone have one of these? I've been using the EH soft pedalboard case for mine, but this looks a little more sturdy, although I'm having trouble finding an online vendor in the US: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=&id=220&o=&offset=1&c=85&s=75 TH ------=_Part_41370_27290348.1199514768982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Anyone have one of these?  I've been using the EH soft pedalboard case for mine, but this looks a little more sturdy, although I'm having trouble finding an online vendor in the US:

http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=&id=220&o=&offset=1&c=85&s=75


TH
------=_Part_41370_27290348.1199514768982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 08:18:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FAD3BEA6; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 390 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:18:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=w9HvFa9+yOMp/K9klKzovYEI3IxYpM9Sc8wVQDNoOsk=; b=oyThk2ceRsYWYW3zAdVzW30E8bgzwzBWzpwIcBQW4wmfUtwQQueN8BwhOo8uacFnbH9tTJbcnECfK5mB9fGjBcprJl7+il7bcQchnySQ4B9cx5zA8MSwDhCKUfIWkzR8Cy+tGuWua71QNr5Eo6GtqmsVALTM/6x21uvWlKzd0TM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Fqmdcyfmn6vPyI/cdvgEo+z9xRh3vJ9oC0jNqhzH64j3dLGK2greXVTkOWsBagUvmz1jz+gdvrD+b+v1O2UQqTNz1C7jRlmkRkKqJY3OjDztSy2c9ubV0t3FNMcmkQwr4YozXurjGBz5m2SN7ZCNZQEZvsuiyXB/dOovg9oExtU= Message-ID: <7e90482f0801050012h30aaf58du2d4c30198a197d1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 03:12:23 -0500 From: "Tim Mantyla" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: seeking low price looper for guitar - is under $50 realistic? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36383_32648406.1199520743259" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:18:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36383_32648406.1199520743259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline for practice, songwriting, playing leads over rhythm parts...under $50 only. Hoping for a JamMan but I know they go for about $250...I don't know the market. What models might be available? -- Tim "Why not go stark raving *glad*??" ------=_Part_36383_32648406.1199520743259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
for practice, songwriting, playing leads over rhythm parts...under $50 only.
 
Hoping for a JamMan but I know they go for about $250...I don't know the market.
What models might be available?
--
Tim

"Why not go stark raving *glad*??"

 
------=_Part_36383_32648406.1199520743259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 08:41:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454523BEC7; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477F42AF.4010606@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:41:19 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: seeking low price looper for guitar - is under $50 realistic? References: <7e90482f0801050012h30aaf58du2d4c30198a197d1c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7e90482f0801050012h30aaf58du2d4c30198a197d1c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 08:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Hmm...at that price range, you'll have to stick with used (unless Behringer is making a looper I don't know about). You might find a Digitech PDS 1002 (classic old school 2-second delay/looper), or a Zoom 2100 (5-second looper, plus other FX), neither of which have been made for quite some time. I also think all of the Digitech RDS "Time Machines" had a hold function, and those go for cheaper than pedals. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > for practice, songwriting, playing leads over rhythm parts...under $50 > only. > > Hoping for a JamMan but I know they go for about $250...I don't know > the market. > What models might be available? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 10:47:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0DA03BEB9; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ie; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SpaPGT/70WrBdrwsgh4HfFMBPahGbMt7IVL1ejpTEFIR0LFeGvzEMC5QDTsToYRRG+kcobY93AIRcCavNjg/pOONxu17ZNYqlExy7wN9beuzMK9JxycmyLLEg8CxdbQABH3ILa5v6I2b9kJ3Au8VdAg8Mtm8nqwRzfZCCVgADQ0=; X-YMail-OSG: zI6tKOsVM1lTJXu90S2cx_mzdQyeZMa68RLHqtd5ll8bN5_FmNbhW33Fjv5kWYJTFc0y6_M34HKsg7KrzrOzjvWBx7OMY.asGDOpivUDpPx4dgv8Ug8QlImkbCc- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:47:55 +0000 (GMT) From: brendan mccloskey Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1375566914-1199530075=:37690" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <421932.37690.qm@web27410.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:47:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-1375566914-1199530075=:37690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1375566914-1199530075=:37690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1375566914-1199530075=:37690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 12:30:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37EED3BEB6; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c84f95$b6dce370$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <3F202745-0117-1000-9044-628705EEE1E0-Webmail-10015@mac.com> Subject: Re: timefactor Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:23:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZCy7.A.9QC.ch3fHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Just got mine and starting to work this out too, I think that it is the previous loop that fades away at the defined level - this is what you describe as the base loop + previous overdubs (which themselves become part of the base loop). Although a short looper (only 12 seconds at full bandwidth), and I didn't primarily buy it for its looper, It looks like there are some good features in it and some major omissions (which is tiresome given all the feedback abouot what makes a good looper). It will be good to work out stuff with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby G" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: timefactor > Hey, > > Can anybody describe more clearly than the timefactor manual does, the way > the decay works on the looper? For example, which fades out--the original > 'base' loop, or the overdubs? Or both? > > > toby > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 14:32:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE7C53BEB2; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: New SKB case for FCB? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <007501c84fa7$d076f9d0$7164ed70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C84F7D.E7A0F1D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchPZM3ptKXqKiyFQN61Pt2A12qJWQAQsPdw Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uyQG2zIkVpBY9TecGwkuoIn0T/vd2BTYFhXw 2Qlz2x4U20O5jf3drEHZo/uxnKwLw1GNUtpaaeAee1k/h6d8OH CCb6iiLZKs5KIFFDDfdiueDDZuU6gfm49E23pmqovk= Resent-Message-ID: <3CKnvB.A.IxF.KU5fHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:32:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C84F7D.E7A0F1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have one. They have been =91out=92 for a year or so, but no one has = them in stock. You have to special order it from anyone who deals with SKB- it doesn=92t show up on any online stores. It fits the FCB well, with maybe = a =BC=94 gap on one side.=20 =20 dave eichenberger =20 www.daveeichenberger.com =20 From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:33 AM To: LD Subject: New SKB case for FCB? =20 Anyone have one of these? I've been using the EH soft pedalboard case = for mine, but this looks a little more sturdy, although I'm having trouble finding an online vendor in the US: http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3D &id=3D220&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D85&s=3D75 TH ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C84F7D.E7A0F1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have one. They have been ‘out’ for a year = or so, but no one has them in stock. You have to special order it from anyone who deals = with SKB- it doesn’t show up on any online stores. It fits the FCB well, = with maybe a =BC” gap on one side.

 

dave eichenberger=A0

www.daveeichenberger.com

 

From:= Travis = Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:33 AM
To: LD
Subject: New SKB case for FCB?

 

Anyone have one of these?  I've been using the = EH soft pedalboard case for mine, but this looks a little more sturdy, although = I'm having trouble finding an online vendor in the US:

http://www.skbcases= .com/music/products/proddetail.php?f=3D&id=3D220&o=3D&offset=3D= 1&c=3D85&s=3D75


TH

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 5 22:27:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B08583BEC7; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478004D3.5070409@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:29:39 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS References: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <000501c84d23$87f16f00$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:27:51 +0000 (UTC) A different angle to this great thread.. Dunno if this has been observed elsewhere, but a German former pro guitarplayer I know had to give up any band efforts due to tinnitus. He always used IEM and never at high levels. Dunno which brand/model. He got the tinnitus on one of his ears from wearing his custom molded EIM system all through a seven hour monster gig. Doctors told him it was because the custom molds had such a perfect fit that he'd been lacking differential pressure (re)alignment. Of cause I'm not warning against EIM's, but even though this may be a special case, I do find it worth the while noting that such may happen. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 03:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44E23BEC7; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 03:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c85011$79548ef0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: seeking low price looper for guitar - is under $50 realistic? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:08:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <24kU_.A.NvG.GZEgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 03:08:54 +0000 (UTC) The answer , unfortunately, is under $50 is UNrealistic. There are early digital delay pedals that you might find that have very limited loop lengths with their infinite delay settings but for any kind of normal ostinato looping (rhythmic parts that you solo over) these delay times are too short. The cheapest current loopers on the market (Boss RC-2, Line 6 DL-4) show up fairly rarely on places like e-bay. This says a lot about how cool these pedals are, that people rarely sell them. You'll have to make a commitment and save your pennies, as we all have on this list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 08:32:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67BA3BECC; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=LQxpUCp8aworA5JnmzLoYV3xygYpN8ffl8RBZAJC/XQ=; b=bzEJ98OSJBTT8meIqmLI7st72vmAL4zJ604mr26EkY51quFGlHAqgeRTAPQ3fFpfZMLajpRH1gUtT8xi7f68vIMObFt0FFS+ewhRJCDk33ki7eEsGamx+PJrr6wAWeFbEtX+kaydUmYXaaOw3P5Ll5uvKZMKZcZTxQ9uBFkA20U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CVjQkp0G1PUXZlR1b2I76XcmOwV5VVT8PUPQ9ktMoiOCCP0qbOQvw2wkrDaNPiAzmj4rbo5QWyB32gvMbUcGeWEIPUSO22YOibueLs0rAHmPs9XcSNKf2bFuF7RtLBnwkElUBSKszj0OK8PF67RnBTdNsu2zXieYv+GgKLl8qjE= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:32:51 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live drum machine video MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, If anyone's curious, someone posted a video of me playing the Plug Headphone Festival last fall. This was just a week or two before the Y2k7. There are 2 clips, but I think this is the better one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WmiWF8QuhA While we're at it, here are some clips of a group I'm involved in: the Crank Ensemble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6irHAx0628 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uYooBVho4 (this is Larnie with one of the newer ones close up) Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 11:10:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487E83BEB9; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:10:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RqIlcqmrRCmGnwXvLM5OqEr1GRlptEYvYsQH7gU34VYWQwxF/Ia7R18xm4TVGmoeSAGmCGw9AKIyF6akMfYuSdf9HHIxCgV6I48hkRCFkpSSMnG+XTA67Jj66Su8XqrSNqIX4O1BLFqwS4BeeNZRu5MsEkHogjG24I9eIAIAUs0=; X-YMail-OSG: vT41d90VM1ni8CHkePmIc_A9lidYMlfiopjLTAyQt07vRBolA9m6qmyBUEF5hyLqEKOHF4doegjwWK.zmGhdfe.gJprbD86FNY.lLsxy0Lbf4JCrzxA- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 03:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478004D3.5070409@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4OEG8B.A.Q6D.PcLgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:10:08 +0000 (UTC) i have heard of this as well...but i am very interested on more experiences and responses on this thread. Luis --- van Sinn wrote: > A different angle to this great thread.. > Dunno if this has been observed elsewhere, but a > German former pro > guitarplayer I know had to give up any band efforts > due to tinnitus. > He always used IEM and never at high levels. Dunno > which brand/model. > > He got the tinnitus on one of his ears from wearing > his custom molded > EIM system all through a seven hour monster gig. > Doctors told him it was because the custom molds had > such a perfect fit > that he'd been lacking differential pressure > (re)alignment. > > Of cause I'm not warning against EIM's, but even > though this may be a > special case, I do find it worth the while noting > that such may happen. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 14:19:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 952063BECD; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <427DAD06-C95E-48F6-B511-EC2A2DAC7D86@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:19:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2qB2SB.A.jEB.zNOgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:19:31 +0000 (UTC) And yet, there are countless instances where form fitted monitors have been used successfully with no negative consequences. On Jan 6, 2008, at 6:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > i have heard of this as well...but i am very > interested on more experiences and responses on this > thread. > Luis > > --- van Sinn wrote: > >> A different angle to this great thread.. >> Dunno if this has been observed elsewhere, but a >> German former pro >> guitarplayer I know had to give up any band efforts >> due to tinnitus. >> He always used IEM and never at high levels. Dunno >> which brand/model. >> >> He got the tinnitus on one of his ears from wearing >> his custom molded >> EIM system all through a seven hour monster gig. >> Doctors told him it was because the custom molds had >> such a perfect fit >> that he'd been lacking differential pressure >> (re)alignment. >> >> Of cause I'm not warning against EIM's, but even >> though this may be a >> special case, I do find it worth the while noting >> that such may happen. >> >> -- >> rgds, >> van Sinn >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 14:32:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C8BE3BED3; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:29:43 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs In-reply-to: <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max > (looper, other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of > my guitar. It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar > (82.4hz), and then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that > would be. Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply by two for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 = 20.6Hz. You're definitely into the subwoofer's range. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 16:00:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E81D23BECA; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: live drum machine video Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:00:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c8507d$4a5026c0$def07440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchQPwXEAjhGT9trS1ScZIC0OaQEMwAPiMEQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dfb9703ca000060c1.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Very nice! Can you give us a bit of description of the performance? -Q -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:33 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live drum machine video Hi everyone, If anyone's curious, someone posted a video of me playing the Plug Headphone Festival last fall. This was just a week or two before the Y2k7. There are 2 clips, but I think this is the better one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WmiWF8QuhA While we're at it, here are some clips of a group I'm involved in: the Crank Ensemble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6irHAx0628 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uYooBVho4 (this is Larnie with one of the newer ones close up) Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 16:50:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E1E3BEDB; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 567983.60487.bm@omp402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DD9DH4RdC+5iXQ3GBvpJNV/Kyn2+8e+bsyN/kHWFCXoioC7ZvzXskkrNPn1R6AoyfrgXMyFKkaRLypIEPP1+Gaucwdw5QWjPgTeOHyvcv92pZBkSR2w5ZmQj5H8+CkIhEH694ZXZ7edInbqgZIIx3VW+GLBkhYDVaJsUe1L0RZg=; X-YMail-OSG: DdOGWLwVM1nJC9gWho.PvunMmN50CeutnKLpU03JI.tAs4.7.oLm93w75MIMAfjvp0vIZzOPBE_2QkXUC_YFL_sUyMYnK1O_PkJKX7p2XUMQhF0_eAnYKAxzlviFPw-- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Video from 2003 'Sonic Blender', Boston live looping event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <256081.86391.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Here's an excerpt from my set at the 'Sonic Blender' loopfest held at the Zeitgeist gallery in Cambridge, MA nearly 5 years ago that was featured on the 'Our Town' television program. Not the greatest performance (or hairstyle), but the host's commentary is classic! -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 17:13:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFF23BEDE; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gXLj0thgWEXuRzABdt22/pty/baxP2PTo73SRQ6yAtw=; b=l/W34nicTrgRQQkxKroIutcPY7UXLe6KHzMPDW7Qk8xcQAvvcO4ss93palAwEF8nB7QUvT0OH2xbhKCD0wRK22+jOcBt4rnyVOb0JgqaJ4DXhXrldz1BC8e9/F1JKhsPLlfby6s6Kwxx7ZcIdXmISxPSHHOHT6ChSvZ61sA6nPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p8UoBvxoVcCPJh74KRrv3KYrNkO8/xDacUW3Q4eJb4GQBxYAqbmZBSzyS1bggWxwAAPfb+H3qusIocOJGl+zsiJcF3ppwMwSIY/W0DhLpS/Fs+lHxQKBxrJy0S5MZFr3Jw9uPX5eWoHTxgFs7KCEu9l/LavhZoKlQ9U0MQJbass= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801060913u32ca845bp7b00c40b562d2723@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:13:53 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video from 2003 'Sonic Blender', Boston live looping event In-Reply-To: <256081.86391.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <256081.86391.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:13:55 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 6, 2008 5:50 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Here's an excerpt from my set at the 'Sonic Blender' > loopfest held at the Zeitgeist gallery in Cambridge, > MA nearly 5 years ago that was featured on the 'Our > Town' television program. Not the greatest performance > (or hairstyle), but the host's commentary is classic! > > -t- Hairstyle or not, the magic vibe was definitely there! Great presentation too! That was back in 2003 but gosh, modern loopers need such a great master of ceremonies more than ever! Loopers need to get out and play for non-loopers! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 17:45:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B06C3BEE0; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:45:38 EST Subject: DAVIGNON-NELSON To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c6c.1c2f7d59.34b26dc2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_XuVzB.A.l6G.FPRgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:45:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c6c.1c2f7d59.34b26dc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as the host and i couldn't take my eyes off of the bar behind him, yum, asked ".....is this the future of music?".....well, with matt's moves, 3:20 he makes serious eye contact with the audiance, something that some of us never do!.....and tim's (i'm not going to share my secrets so i'll turn my gear away from everyone) hairdew, i'm no common sewer of fine hair styles mind you but wow e zoow e.....how could anyone ever wonder if this is the future of music.....michael ".....donuts, what arn't they good for!" 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http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID= =3Daolcmp00300000002489 --part1_c4d.279d9ee2.34b26eb5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 18:01:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE393BEDC; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oNIIeZKIQZdoAXN6eHAed+6xRUHTJfbZ8PI9oNvNfEs=; b=iLgkxOoeAnEp2lepSumhN1lvZAfje4BOfuBaTfbFGEsNUq35Wvm4eoiXnSWCoMCcVpPZJUETL+T7eorPoxfkmu3dUkoQl1/0AXfqQhipyvk/Dhua3jp25e86jVK868wHT84bHlV2ZJ2lNfTUcONAfPCbgtcBD0MYlEal1a0ZqcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=scRxBR6NpmGuWtK1RcZ+efwTZuicBlUoLBKbEsmZ/yfT9qqwpvRqLGN563+yDbSesY0GccOdmTM24YP//xo3lWner6ucbBNQk8GPZDiXQJFMhR6cd+o8LVAlvuodqqrljrko2jMaJS+cRtAa3KhRESBpOYCM3vF/Te9PZ69Mni0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:01:22 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live drum machine video In-Reply-To: <000001c8507d$4a5026c0$def07440$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c8507d$4a5026c0$def07440$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Well, this is a "part 2" of the set, so a loop is already built when it's starting. My right (far) hand is playing the drum machine, which is the only sound source. The things you don't see are the DL-4 and the volume pedal, which are on the floor. About 1/3 in, I start making accordion-likes sounds which are done by adding distortion to an electronic tom-tom sound and fading in the attack. The gurgling sound that comes after that is a whistle run through a lot of filters and distortion. The tom-tom kit and the whistle kit on the drum machine are arranged chromatically so I can play melodies. There's a diagram and description of all the equipment used here: http://www.ribosomemusic.com/drum_machining.html Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Jan 6, 2008 8:00 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > Very nice! Can you give us a bit of description of the performance? > -Q > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:33 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: live drum machine video > > Hi everyone, > > If anyone's curious, someone posted a video of me playing the Plug > Headphone Festival last fall. This was just a week or two before the > Y2k7. There are 2 clips, but I think this is the better one: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WmiWF8QuhA > > While we're at it, here are some clips of a group I'm involved in: the > Crank Ensemble > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6irHAx0628 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uYooBVho4 (this is Larnie with one of > the newer ones close up) > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 20:11:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743313BEE2; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:11:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 984677.22949.bm@omp206.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1cw6DSLeVFWgdZ0Y0sg4Br6JzcrHOplb4WxDxDhBjl03+joOYHEzxHzARxpcnUTT/npQiXjepoNJN5n3aJFOtUIVAzlO9lmD7YBFXEa06+CAD5E5AqBqaFMH7crzs+Bqw2VuXPFKlYpXNzui8+iu4bRG6WUxagHcntmu6KOh2z8=; X-YMail-OSG: rTBT9bEVM1lPI4D293I3lt56IDhAJRcpOQ6.xEbh8wCXyINmHtlaUGzd1Lb_Ud_0G08GEaO8EKH1cRjyrlRGdkkiQhlCXLz7Hl4OhyVLc3k0NLJdPqLJgJOVCHsZKg-- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DAVIGNON-NELSON To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <759484.61188.qm@web45103.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:11:31 +0000 (UTC) --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >.....and tim's (i'm not going to share my secrets > so i'll turn my gear away from everyone) Aw, c'mon, most of it was on the floor in plain sight! The only gear in the rack (that time) was a Korg SDD-1000 delay, a reverb and a one-space keyboard mixer; all the loopers were on the floor. (A Headrush, a DL4 and an RC-20). I figured I could have put the rack behind me, but that would have meant having my back to that huge, screaming, unruly crowd... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 21:14:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3B3E3BED6; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 391 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:14:05 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FkAjbru/ZGPLYCs+jcamuBqKr8sTvouPNZZJjNs4Q68=; b=oG+j5U/RyewU/cYnm4GSBa9HHP4azyPQdjfpxGyIch+y+0qmazgjuyokv13NnAUMoqlnouxwFO9iJDm5H877/4Vt74epCjkQWSkjLTaAGhmUbCb50te0gxaKUBNtVc0VIwAqgFBDlCJvhxm4PfFv3rTYwja55Q4uQOWuOVvq/Ts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iIJr0RUcD5vhR7SNKrQKVa93DSdj4Ec1qdPq98L1byqjqPDG9oUza+PkEx8M2dda1dXgHqe/4PEnBOxHmAPpCxTHnt27jixDt8h+51pY4dhLBj+KpnvgKz3luJ8FYT+KSrJecQimK00blm3CgsoPETTUGRUQd/u724/e+XP3ed8= Message-ID: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:07:32 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptop live looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8773_20064099.1199653652863" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8773_20064099.1199653652863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm from Argentina so please forget my english! Hi, it's been a long time since i participate here. I don't know if someone will remember me but in past times you all been so kind (specially the Walker brothers) that i thought of asking for some help here. I want to reconnect with my looping but in a whole different form and context. I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, there are hundreds of them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. Here the prices are (not only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my country costing usd 950. You se what i'm talking about. Essencialy what i need is something that would allow me to procces and loop my guitar in real time on live performances. Any ideas coming from your experience? On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and Jeff Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP. It's really difficult to work with it? I mean, is it a really long learning curve? How about Reaktor? Thanks to you all! and kind regards! ------=_Part_8773_20064099.1199653652863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I'm from Argentina so please forget my english!
 
Hi, it's been a long time since i participate here. I don't know if someone will remember me but in past times you all been so kind (specially the Walker brothers) that i thought of asking for some help here.
 
I want to reconnect with my looping but in a whole different form and context.
 
I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, there are hundreds of them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. Here the prices are (not only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my country costing usd 950. You se what i'm talking about.
 
Essencialy what i need is something that would allow me to procces and loop my guitar in real time on live performances.
 
Any ideas coming from your experience?
 
On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and Jeff Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP.
It's really difficult to work with it? I mean, is it a really long learning curve? How about Reaktor?
 
Thanks to you all! and kind regards!
 
 
------=_Part_8773_20064099.1199653652863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 21:38:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE773BED6; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICLNOHbrk8= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop live looping Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:38:44 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c850ac$834b5b50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchQqRJ9CtsTjo9SSS6YDTbXm0XTxgAAlzEw In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:38:09 +0000 (UTC) > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > there are hundreds of them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. Here the prices are (not > >only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a > >MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my country costing usd 950. You se what i'm > >talking about. First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to your question from above: >From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good bang for the buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this department. For your application (live guitar playing): Most of the interfaces (even the small ones) give you two microphone channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how you interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs. I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with success and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality is sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album which was recorded using that interface exclusively). That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connecting a guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones) have strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run anywhere near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer DI20) directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone input on my interface. Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 21:55:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA093BECD; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICLNOHbrk8= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:56:28 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchLrFo1H/+L8S39R6K2OHDXpM3CUgFACsyg In-Reply-To: <4778E69F.5060407@addcom.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:55:52 +0000 (UTC) > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill schrieb: > > * the perfect audio interface: halfrack, USB2, bus-powered plus > > dedicated power supply (it's well ok if the micpres don't > work if it's > > bus-powered), 4 mic inputs (hybrid solidstate/tube pre), at least 8 > > analogue ins and 8 analogue outs plus headphone outs, > TOSLINK, SPDIF > > (opt/coax), 2xMIDI I/O, software-controlled gain stages for > (mic) ins > > and outs, for the input HP and limiter, four SW channelstrips and a > > stereo ('prolly surround) finalizer, standalone operation > (fully MIDI-controllable) and bluetooth (see above). > > For me it exists already, though can't afford it, the RME FW > 400, it has almost all of the above (only two mic pre's) but Ok, let's check the Fireface400 against my requirements: halfrack ok USB2 X bus-powered ok sps ok 4 micpres X hybrid pres X 8x analogue I/O ok headphones ok TOSLINK ok SPDIF ok 2xMIDI ok s/w contr. pre ok s/w contr. out X input HP/lim X 4 channelstrips X finalizer X bluetooth X No, doesn't work. BTW, which are the interfaces currently available which have a s/w (or remote) controllable analogue output gain stage? I can think of TC Electronics Konnekt48 (remote, included) and Presonus Firestudio (remote, optional). Anyone know such a thing? > Firewire instead of USB and that is a BIG advantage and not a > drawback. If I need more mics, I fly in my little cute peavey mixer... There's lots of computers (laptops, PC world) which don't have firewire, and lots of implementations which act up. USB2 works very well on PCs, though. > > > * the perfect musicians' computer: I'd like something like > This exist as well, the Macbook pro's fit perfectly, (though > can't afford it...) No, it's a laptop, and I wouldn't call that "roadworthy package". Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 22:03:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672903BEB8; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FpMMrsgADO58NBFuGYkVQuazD2YHAP88pVo1NYvZSMo=; b=IfH0C32pYePKqotoHtMvQIAE37iya+Of2sDlC8wncC34VqAzXsxU7+pmIOWBLXT/OdDE7iEn3qFUrCThTqoLf8Ttu9CKXFWcRschByx3sXPesvHDnTKeeZT4skl54h8a6DFhzTIIVH7hHCCAaeWs8V2IH28UQAhAGTQcrBCOT0o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RQK3wT7XwwsO38QTINwI40GO4K1FRmyk8QzYYfNdEfFzKA8MbJjoMt/m5/R1dSU+wvFZ8ChP+k8SHQyY4/aizO+8Mxt5tkb6EI81n5kFZ6SmDAf6WEUhrlNj1RXrsBvzN1VvFiT2wFyVeGDX/alJL4nCU4r5zUh1TvLs31JjwLc= Message-ID: <7bf141790801061403l24afe0baof2efa5dbaafa425e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:03:24 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <000301c850ac$834b5b50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8789_8291008.1199657004137" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <000301c850ac$834b5b50$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8789_8291008.1199657004137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rainer. Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it doesn't has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your album from that link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"? Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops with Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP? Thanks for your reply! On 1/6/08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my > guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > there are hundreds > of > them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. > Here > the prices are (not > > >only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY > higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a > > >MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches > my > country costing usd 950. You se what i'm > > >talking about. > > First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to your question from above: > > From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good bang for > the > buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this department. For your > application (live guitar playing): > > Most of the interfaces (even the small ones) give you two microphone > channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how you > interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs. > I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with > success > and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality is > sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album > which was recorded using that interface exclusively). > > That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connecting a > guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones) have > strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run > anywhere > near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer DI20) > directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone input > on my interface. > > Best, > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_8789_8291008.1199657004137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Rainer.
 
Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it doesn't has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your album from that link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"?
 
Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops with Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP?
 
Thanks for your reply!
 
On 1/6/08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>       I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my
guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > there are hundreds of
them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. Here
the prices are (not >
>only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY
higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a >
>MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my
country costing usd 950. You se what i'm >
>talking about.

First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to your question from above:

From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good bang for the
buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this department. For your
application (live guitar playing):

Most of the interfaces (even the small ones) give you two microphone
channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how you
interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs.
I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with success
and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality is
sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album
which was recorded using that interface exclusively).

That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connecting a
guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones) have
strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run anywhere
near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer DI20)
directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone input
on my interface.

Best,

       Rainer


------=_Part_8789_8291008.1199657004137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 22:09:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2A13BED2; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:09:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6hStOEYH+u1j7zcr8k7c+X+7EdnBz+BDp8BXhGrYTBg=; b=ljjffjuhaJGb8c1qnj2WiOfKX8ivYDAoTeO2IpvhF6aD1zNr/VYeD+kdJbsYRUsdrlgKfuc04R7AelKn/jhSQ8YgJ8AX85iZPsgiuAMPm5t0ep3Ofcvq9DtsZZzTWnMUgd+K2+NCBrIOABEuce1nbRyQgoLiNV8NluitwVBcPyM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QiHpv9b4z9hu+SKvaV5IRtjm32igi4khVhv6hHOsrz3qX8opCnAi2xEkhvlMGi8pAlb7Of7DA5lOnobXxsLFYmR+N+xPZFqiiuAzkTJ+FGbXARhIbVUfYhK+6BqGufDjksuk42NHWpLdWuB6eV8wjtOWJQ2VsVQg6KcosQa11lk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:09:46 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DAVIGNON-NELSON In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:09:47 +0000 (UTC) was all: >....well, with matt's moves, 3:20 > he makes serious eye contact with the audiance, something that some of us > never do!. I just wanted to make sure they were still there. Actually it was a strange show in that most of the listeners were online - there were only a few people in the actual space. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 22:15:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F543BEC5; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q7nt+OEMJJieN96Kz/EjNYMSoQDefQ5vUTfGejYADA4=; b=gYu2e1ktqv95pMdVUrB1oBh4K/0Ft5Jfk7MNy8NI1WeTEEmJ18FTnsL2jUgZaIyFRW/OzdbGEFSMDlKAbTHz1HK09LMu+3LNCtrj98yft835gb6Lrn3227InCP5awb5XpBBKrwd0w5nbV7HE5Xi/+ZnQTCOlWLT8jX+ZPpnZq2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rehuUI2vuK3Tk/Hn0GZFKgP9PZfRWBtQYeVyR72tQe6LYqHdvkr3DH3lu1W9Bu/qsACUMlNzZ7k0RnxT3E9BH/ds0IEIQcaKnZexfv2kXRZOLh0FrSP1XNzRDJmilIyUd45MRiCQ6gAuj4eIo9dyiuL8589Lftks+HObvcecbiQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:15:01 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801061403l24afe0baof2efa5dbaafa425e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10343_27029852.1199657701423" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <000301c850ac$834b5b50$1001a8c0@succubus> <7bf141790801061403l24afe0baof2efa5dbaafa425e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:15:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10343_27029852.1199657701423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cheap, portable, though without special preamp just stereo line level but input/output balanced plus s/pdif in/out, midi...etc. Audiofire2 Un saludo desde Espa=F1a, Ariel. 2008/1/6, Ariel Rzezak : > > Hi Rainer. > > Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it doesn't ha= s > balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your album from that li= nk. > Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"? > > Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops with > Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP? > > Thanks for your reply! > > On 1/6/08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > > > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my > > guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > there are > > hundreds of > > them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficulty. > > Here > > the prices are (not > > > >only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY > > higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a > > > >MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reache= s > > my > > country costing usd 950. You se what i'm > > > >talking about. > > > > First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to your question from above: > > > > From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good bang fo= r > > the > > buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this department. For > > your > > application (live guitar playing): > > > > Most of the interfaces (even the small ones) give you two microphone > > channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how > > you > > interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs. > > I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with > > success > > and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality is > > sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album > > which was recorded using that interface exclusively). > > > > That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connecting a > > guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones) > > have > > strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run > > anywhere > > near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer DI20= ) > > directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone > > input > > on my interface. > > > > Best, > > > > Rainer > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10343_27029852.1199657701423 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cheap, portable, though without special preamp
just stereo line level bu= t input/output balanced plus s/pdif in/out, midi...etc.

Audiofire2
Un saludo desde Espa=F1a, Ariel.

2008/1/6, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gma= il.com>:
Hi Rainer.
 
Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it= doesn't has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your= album from that link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"?
 
Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops wit= h Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP?
 
Thanks for your reply!
 
On 1/6/08, R= ainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de > wrote:
>  &= nbsp;    I've already bought a macbook and want to work = directly from my
guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, &g= t; there are hundreds of
them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficu= lty. Here
the prices are (not >
>only in direct relation with o= ur incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY
higher than in the US or Europe.= For example, a >
>MOTU Ultralite it cost in mu= siciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my
country costing usd 9= 50. You se what i'm >
>talking about.

First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to you= r question from above:

From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good ban= g for the
buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this departmen= t. For your
application (live guitar playing):

Most of the interf= aces (even the small ones) give you two microphone
channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how = you
interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs.
I = personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with success
and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality issufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album
which was recorded= using that interface exclusively).

That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connectin= g a
guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones= ) have
strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cabl= e run anywhere
near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer DI20= )
directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone i= nput
on my interface.

Best,

     =   Rainer





--
The Playin= g Orchestra: http://www.tele= fonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_10343_27029852.1199657701423-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 22:15:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A826A3BED6; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICLNOHbrk8= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop live looping Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:15 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c850b1$c0d1d670$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchQr/f7ukeYJxMKT9ybntsVd7HfTgAAQ0xw In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801061403l24afe0baof2efa5dbaafa425e@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:15:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ariel, the Firebox has balanced outputs (all six of them, 1/4'' TRS jacks). The album is assembled from direct-to-twotrack freely improvised loop-based recordings, actually, tracks 5 and 6 are true live performances. Details about the album: see www.moinlabs.de - more specifically moinlabs.de/i_ws.htm and moinlabs.de/i_ws_mo.htm. And this album (on which I've used the Firebox exclusively) was made, as you say, "making loops with Ableton Live". Rainer ________________________________ Von: Ariel Rzezak [mailto:arzezak@gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Januar 2008 23:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Laptop live looping Hi Rainer. Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it doesn't has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your album from that link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"? Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops with Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP? Thanks for your reply! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 22:28:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 796013BEC7; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=P/jWvF8sJp8T2V8HkwZyyTePZHi4q330uoYFrPgL6Vw=; b=VHg6xG9AgOUNP4kISCCnHPrldf88TqtIz1c5HT+mpclPaBVqkRaz27CvnTL4XsJa4CFl5bNXc/9zygOKHfhPAeP5OgI2OiipPC8AbiAjCXY1CzQDp6EBuanxALkuGHsPpaYM3QKkk6UcLHTsCctXWUwis3qe7RyKmrLG9cCumOA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Qb2Cbyt9VaTnJ/VOPwhXojLsnZKcM89KB34EkgJHtuIsleHTaQlcSmseaBmbZ1GvkrcdbKZFFvfXHjV2Kw0LbFcYmagaKXALtLJ7nBKFDFeSjGfaJF4vV44482yE/6/UW3CDybW9YFnt4+eshq4A7p5Ls2zlmz4b465vLqcxJFA= Message-ID: <7bf141790801061428m55d2815n363c2fbe73cf89cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:28:18 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8816_729663.1199658498194" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <000301c850ac$834b5b50$1001a8c0@succubus> <7bf141790801061403l24afe0baof2efa5dbaafa425e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:28:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8816_729663.1199658498194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Gracias Raul! The thing is, i really need preamps to work with it. Any thaught on the Focusrite Saffire vs. the Presonus Firebox that Rainer was talking about. I don't really need so many inputs or outputs. I'm mostly interested in its live usage. On 1/6/08, Raul Bonell wrote: > > Cheap, portable, though without special preamp > just stereo line level but input/output balanced plus s/pdif in/out, > midi...etc. > > Audiofire2 > > Un saludo desde Espa=F1a, Ariel. > > 2008/1/6, Ariel Rzezak : > > > > Hi Rainer. > > > > Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it doesn't > > has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your album from t= hat > > link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"? > > > > Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops with > > Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP? > > > > Thanks for your reply! > > > > On 1/6/08, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > wrote: > > > > > > > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from > > > my > > > guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > there are > > > hundreds of > > > them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a > > > difficulty. Here > > > the prices are (not > > > > >only in direct relation with our incomes, also with the taxes) REALL= Y > > > higher than in the US or Europe. For example, a > > > > >MOTU Ultralite it cost in musiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in > > > reaches my > > > country costing usd 950. You se what i'm > > > > >talking about. > > > > > > First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to your question from above: > > > > > > From my experience, the small Presonus thingies give you a good bang > > > for the > > > buck, although some people do prefer M-Audio in this department. For > > > your > > > application (live guitar playing): > > > > > > Most of the interfaces (even the small ones) give you two microphone > > > channels which also double as Hi-Z instrument inputs. Depending on ho= w > > > you > > > interface to the P.A., you might look for symmetrical outputs. > > > I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with > > > success > > > and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound quality is > > > sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an > > > album > > > which was recorded using that interface exclusively). > > > > > > That being said, I have a somewhat different approach for connecting = a > > > guitar to a computer. A lot of computers (and especially laptop ones) > > > have > > > strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run > > > anywhere > > > near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behringer > > > DI20) > > > directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) microphone > > > input > > > on my interface. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8816_729663.1199658498194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Gracias Raul!
 
The thing is, i really need preamps to work with it. Any thaught on th= e Focusrite Saffire vs. the Presonus Firebox that Rainer was talking about.= I don't really need so many inputs or outputs. I'm mostly interest= ed in its live usage.=20

 
On 1/6/08, R= aul Bonell <raul.bonell@gma= il.com> wrote:
Cheap, portable, though without = special preamp
just stereo line level but input/output balanced plus s/p= dif in/out, midi...etc.

Audiofire2

Un saludo desde Espa=F1a, Ariel.

2008/1/6, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com>:=20
Hi Rainer.
 
Ok. Presonus Firebox it's an option. I think i've read that it= doesn't has balanced outputs? Is this right? I'm listening to your= album from that link. Really interesting! Is it recorded "live"?= =20
 
Do you think it will work well using it, for example, making loops wit= h Ableton live or Reaktor or MAX/MSP?
 
Thanks for your reply!
 
On 1/6/08, R= ainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de=20 > wrote:=20
>  &nbs= p;    I've already bought a macbook and want to work dir= ectly from my
guitar to it using an audio interface. The thing is, > = there are hundreds of=20
them and i dont know wich one to choose. Also, money it's a difficu= lty. Here
the prices are (not >
>only in direct relation with o= ur incomes, also with the taxes) REALLY
higher than in the US or Europe.= For example, a >=20
>MOTU Ultralite it cost in m= usiciansfriend.com usd 549.99 and in reaches my
country costing usd = 950. You se what i'm >=20
>talking about.

First of all, welcome back, Ariel. Now to you= r question from above:

From my experience, the small Presonus thing= ies give you a good bang for the
buck, although some people do prefer M-= Audio in this department. For your
application (live guitar playing):

Most of the interfaces (even = the small ones) give you two microphone
channels which also double as H= i-Z instrument inputs. Depending on how you
interface to the P.A., you m= ight look for symmetrical outputs.
I personally have been using the Presonus Firebox for some time with su= ccess
and have to admit for typical live applications, the sound qualit= y is
sufficient (check out http://blue.jamendo.com/de/album/16603/, an album
which was recorded= using that interface exclusively).

That being said, I have a somew= hat different approach for connecting a
guitar to a computer. A lot of c= omputers (and especially laptop ones) have
strong EMC issues, so you wouldn't want to have a guitar cable run = anywhere
near it. To work around it, I connect a small active DI (Behri= nger DI20)
directly to the guitar and then enter a (phantom powered) mic= rophone input
on my interface.

Best,

     &nbs= p; Rainer





--
The Playing O= rchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
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------=_Part_8816_729663.1199658498194-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 23:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AD403BECA; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47815DFD.6020002@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:02:21 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS References: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <427DAD06-C95E-48F6-B511-EC2A2DAC7D86@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <427DAD06-C95E-48F6-B511-EC2A2DAC7D86@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > And yet, there are countless instances where form fitted monitors have > been used successfully with no negative consequences. For sure. Lotsa pro's use them. Makes sense having a perfect fit to keep high SPL's out. I wonder who's the authority to ask questions about such long term use - a 7 hours gig _is_ pretty long.. > On Jan 6, 2008, at 6:10 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> i have heard of this as well...but i am very >> interested on more experiences and responses on this >> thread. >> Luis >> >> --- van Sinn wrote: >> >>> A different angle to this great thread.. >>> Dunno if this has been observed elsewhere, but a >>> German former pro >>> guitarplayer I know had to give up any band efforts >>> due to tinnitus. >>> He always used IEM and never at high levels. Dunno >>> which brand/model. >>> >>> He got the tinnitus on one of his ears from wearing >>> his custom molded >>> EIM system all through a seven hour monster gig. >>> Doctors told him it was because the custom molds had >>> such a perfect fit >>> that he'd been lacking differential pressure >>> (re)alignment. >>> >>> Of cause I'm not warning against EIM's, but even >>> though this may be a >>> special case, I do find it worth the while noting >>> that such may happen. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 6 23:25:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360903BEC5; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dnqCZ9b19awyAQQY7YKYYlS0toHO2N8fuAuUGxWwNho=; b=CpgNUsOhDCJsfHimmldY3pJr0Kl9Wpwji+nVPtJpbZKb72S3xo0NXwAh+p4GYQx8jqzA+KvM7zfG+PIASHWwwBSA6VjdEKed21PL9pbPL3Lr7O84Uu5sIJ0Vdr8fZfupxt+fhmpfD9IXBskD0eRoLtEeWR5gVntjm9AcCPzP/48= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kY46RGDVe2m22kzS6QqS6q8zWWfzK/RPdmUgt3mF9rMWHS+Dci3NstsDyx+SW/gBChNcKjJ4xw05poiQrhKbulSkxZCEn1HBRbVjNzB8r8pepoB769et0aHwxOEfFxioUfRGVFodvEbi9BaQHLDuI8iryaYXQ7sA4ztdr+heRk8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:25:22 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:25:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 6, 2008 10:07 PM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > I'm from Argentina so please forget my english! > > Hi, it's been a long time since i participate here. I don't know if someone > will remember me Of course! I watched a video you uploaded :-) > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar to it > using an audio interface. > > Any ideas coming from your experience? You should really listen to the audio interfaces before deciding which one to go with! Take a day off and bring your MacBook to a music store to try out different interfaces. I'm hesitant to give advice because I own a RME FireFAce400 it sounds better to my ears than other audio interfaces I have used, when plugging electric guitar directly into the box. On the other hand I have also achieved good laptop guitar sound with audio interfaces that do not have a built-in mic amp (like the RME Multiface, Echo AudioFire2, Indigo i/o). But with all these cheaper boxes I have used an extra, outboard, guitar pickup amp - the original Line-6 POD. A secondhand POD can be found quite cheap today and then you plug into the POD and the POD into the audio interface. That way you get the correct signal to sound optimal through for example an AudioFire2 that is a very good and inexensive interface. > On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and Jeff > Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP. There is already a Max built looper available, Logelloop: http://logelloop.logellou.com/Home.html I've been using it a lot lately and like that it works well right away. If you later on get into building your own patches in Max you can easily add them to the Logelloop looper. I don't see the point in "inventing the wheel a second time" - for crax sake, we want to get out there and play! Not stay in and program ;-) > It's really difficult to work with it? I think so. In Max time is handled in an absolute way, as measured in milliseconds. I never even think like that when making music, I always think about music as a tempo and different relations to that tempo. To me even music with no sounding beat has a tempo. So that's why I prefer Plogue Bidule instead of Max when I need to program with a "virtual sound design toolbox and patch-bay". Bidule has a good system for synchronizing tempo relating modules and it also supports VST Time Info. > I mean, is it a really long learning > curve? How about Reaktor? You can do similar things with Reaktor and some say it is easier because it is made up by a bigger prefab blocks compared to Max. Bidule is somewhere in beetween. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 00:41:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FF933BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wSEQNCbWFSZB1Nivvpauxsj3frFVWASqwlY5FThQZjw=; b=debVUibDOz/S0Xzsfo0AX8M6R+GVRy3i3CGoV9hAWhHh4iT5uTvyq94iHrEENHfu+T0ECte/YPRRxwzFroBrJLRfohYl7w/yiYb6JUprVdP8mlXFzreGW4YtKUfhBcer+X2aRVeMdnhEue1X+hZ6XSe0p6fB/0XlK4Ap/er+QSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gk2kVVx8XPraskyguoVCYSJiwkGSdDnUzgscp62TGClwqlmRRxdiGdzw/QHKZH4vbx5vgy5gdngZMnnIyCsiSIE703e6cDIpBkawhm5nmZhBSnK5J3PLD0lsGultcEcs44OHGAhwjilSInVfc6q1GOZkslQSInxvneSOdXGwkDg= Message-ID: <7bf141790801061641h61f46672o73f1e8ae21a09ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:41:14 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8883_33278976.1199666474397" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:41:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8883_33278976.1199666474397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wow Per! That was a really great response. The Pod + Interface without pre's sounds interesting. The Echo Audiofire2 is around usd 300 around here so i'll keep searching. But, from what i get, do you think it would be usable for live performing? Can you trust it? P.s.: Ha, i've never posted a video! I've post some audio clips of looping with a DL4 and an acoustic guitar. But you did, in fact, replied to it generously. On 1/6/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2008 10:07 PM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > I'm from Argentina so please forget my english! > > > > Hi, it's been a long time since i participate here. I don't know if > someone > > will remember me > > Of course! I watched a video you uploaded :-) > > > > I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar > to it > > using an audio interface. > > > > Any ideas coming from your experience? > > You should really listen to the audio interfaces before deciding which > one to go with! Take a day off and bring your MacBook to a music store > to try out different interfaces. I'm hesitant to give advice because I > own a RME FireFAce400 it sounds better to my ears than other audio > interfaces I have used, when plugging electric guitar directly into > the box. On the other hand I have also achieved good laptop guitar > sound with audio interfaces that do not have a built-in mic amp (like > the RME Multiface, Echo AudioFire2, Indigo i/o). But with all these > cheaper boxes I have used an extra, outboard, guitar pickup amp - the > original Line-6 POD. A secondhand POD can be found quite cheap today > and then you plug into the POD and the POD into the audio interface. > That way you get the correct signal to sound optimal through for > example an AudioFire2 that is a very good and inexensive interface. > > > > On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and > Jeff > > Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP. > > There is already a Max built looper available, Logelloop: > http://logelloop.logellou.com/Home.html > I've been using it a lot lately and like that it works well right > away. If you later on get into building your own patches in Max you > can easily add them to the Logelloop looper. I don't see the point in > "inventing the wheel a second time" - for crax sake, we want to get > out there and play! Not stay in and program ;-) > > > > It's really difficult to work with it? > > I think so. In Max time is handled in an absolute way, as measured in > milliseconds. I never even think like that when making music, I always > think about music as a tempo and different relations to that tempo. To > me even music with no sounding beat has a tempo. So that's why I > prefer Plogue Bidule instead of Max when I need to program with a > "virtual sound design toolbox and patch-bay". Bidule has a good system > for synchronizing tempo relating modules and it also supports VST Time > Info. > > > I mean, is it a really long learning > > curve? How about Reaktor? > > You can do similar things with Reaktor and some say it is easier > because it is made up by a bigger prefab blocks compared to Max. > Bidule is somewhere in beetween. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_8883_33278976.1199666474397 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Wow Per! That was a really great response.
 
The Pod + Interface without pre's sounds interesting. The Echo Audiofire2 is around usd 300 around here so i'll keep searching. But, from what i get, do you think it would be usable for live performing? Can you trust it?
 
P.s.: Ha, i've never posted a video! I've post some audio clips of looping with a DL4 and an acoustic guitar. But you did, in fact, replied to it generously.

 
On 1/6/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 6, 2008 10:07 PM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm from Argentina so please forget my english!
>
> Hi, it's been a long time since i participate here. I don't know if someone
> will remember me

Of course! I watched a video you uploaded :-)


> I've already bought a macbook and want to work directly from my guitar to it
> using an audio interface.
>
> Any ideas coming from your experience?

You should really listen to the audio interfaces before deciding which
one to go with! Take a day off and bring your MacBook to a music store
to try out different interfaces. I'm hesitant to give advice because I
own a RME FireFAce400 it sounds better to my ears than other audio
interfaces I have used, when plugging electric guitar directly into
the box. On the other hand I have also achieved good laptop guitar
sound with audio interfaces that do not have a built-in mic amp (like
the RME Multiface, Echo AudioFire2, Indigo i/o). But with all these
cheaper boxes I have used an extra, outboard, guitar pickup amp - the
original Line-6 POD. A secondhand POD can be found quite cheap today
and then you plug into the POD and the POD into the audio interface.
That way you get the correct signal to sound optimal through for
example an AudioFire2 that is a very good and inexensive interface.


> On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and Jeff
> Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP.

There is already a Max built looper available, Logelloop:
http://logelloop.logellou.com/Home.html
I've been using it a lot lately and like that it works well right
away. If you later on get into building your own patches in Max you
can easily add them to the Logelloop looper. I don't see the point in
"inventing the wheel a second time" - for crax sake, we want to get
out there and play! Not stay in and program ;-)


> It's really difficult to work with it?

I think so. In Max time is handled in an absolute way, as measured in
milliseconds. I never even think like that when making music, I always
think about music as a tempo and different relations to that tempo. To
me even music with no sounding beat has a tempo. So that's why I
prefer Plogue Bidule instead of Max when I need to program with a
"virtual sound design toolbox and patch-bay". Bidule has a good system
for synchronizing tempo relating modules and it also supports VST Time
Info.

> I mean, is it a really long learning
> curve? How about Reaktor?

You can do similar things with Reaktor and some say it is easier
because it is made up by a bigger prefab blocks compared to Max.
Bidule is somewhere in beetween.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_8883_33278976.1199666474397-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 03:42:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6A793BECA; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 03:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <288b01c850df$460c00e0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Laptop live looping Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:42:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 03:42:08 +0000 (UTC) >> On the software side, i've been listening to what Krispen Hartung and >> Jeff >> Kaiser are doing i feel very attracted towards MAX/MSP. On that note, I highly recommend the Fireface 400 as well. I use Reaktor in addition to max/msp, and it took me three interfaces to get to the FW400. It beat everything hands down in terms of quality and reliability. Also, a lot of max/msp folks will recommend the FW400. In fact, a few max/msp guys have done tests with audio interfaces and max/msp, and the FW400 is the only unit that I know of in that price range or below that does not exhibit bleed between audio channels. There is an acid test to show and demonstrate this conclusively, and most of the other units fail. I tried to cut corners and buy cheaper interfaces, but something always came back and bit me in each instance. > There is already a Max built looper available, Logelloop: > http://logelloop.logellou.com/Home.html Hmmm...I must have missed this. I'll check it out and compare to my custom version of the Kaiser max looper. Good greif, the web designer needs to change the text on that website. The features in bold italic orange are almost impossible to read. But it appears that it was only built in max, but you can't run it in max. That sucks...totally useless to me that way. I would want the code. > I've been using it a lot lately and like that it works well right > away. If you later on get into building your own patches in Max you > can easily add them to the Logelloop looper. But do you have to convert your max patches into VST to run them in the looper? That is very tedious. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 05:34:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50DEF3BEB2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:34:13 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a492e7e1-a799-4c37-ad56-8b607e4a4b4f_" X-Originating-IP: [24.217.132.75] From: J Johans To: Subject: electrix repeater mkii Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:29:11 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 05:29:12.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C0D9220:01C850EE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 05:34:13 +0000 (UTC) --_a492e7e1-a799-4c37-ad56-8b607e4a4b4f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone know of a release date for the new repeater besides "early 2008" ...= ? =20 danke =20 fro =20 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008= --_a492e7e1-a799-4c37-ad56-8b607e4a4b4f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone know of a release date for the new repeater besides "early 2008= " ...?
 
danke
 
fro
 

Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista= =AE + Windows Live=99. Start now! = --_a492e7e1-a799-4c37-ad56-8b607e4a4b4f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 06:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C903BEC2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01dc01c850f3$dce688f0$5101a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <427DAD06-C95E-48F6-B511-EC2A2DAC7D86@mac.com> <47815DFD.6020002@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:09:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <8LBk9B.A.sSG.gIcgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:09:37 +0000 (UTC) I already told Rick what I use, but thought I'd share with everybody else as well. I use Westone UM2 in-ear monitors. They have the squishy foam that expands to fill your ear canal. I still can hear some sound come through the foam, but standing next to a rock drum set, I hear just a little through the foam. I do have to mix either the composite from the board or an ambient mic to get everything into my monitor mix, but I find it is worth the extra effort because my ears aren't ringing after a performance or practice. The one caveat is that I only use them in a band. Though my solo performance experience is rather slim, it seems that controlling stage volume is much easier since I'm only working with an electric instrument and my voice. I should also point out that Westone also does custom mold in-ear monitors, but I have never had a pair made for myself since I've been happy with the compressible foam. --Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 06:15:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36FAE3BECC; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ahKZflnlwC7su+UDK/zlqOtRh+GY0cTpKv9ONQgl+zI=; b=hsRryy9Zuqe0Bx4/r0VczLKAkqYHCViDhEkvC6ctMfaZFzH8gHuF5pkKe+7U4wd5v16krLcy7LXio8WtBTJzfi8DvNNz/q4xb3RMQkbXk93bVM46n+fTPCmYi8QiszMHVaRxzEcixOTz2tGj/hHRslfeic2b4rBJMce2Cof+mpc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=g3SD77+E2ORe5fZdFxUMQgUr9+LdC3vnQy7p+ctZ/Sy0VDD4q+TwxxQtBZOppHeGJunH7PJL6o3fAXqEKGxy2ji9XIPW/djjlbCg4vRcFub6FVbSe3W2n8gMPLMXIYdT5ugyMOffL0flBOrXrQ36mEQsdscBasnTUXP7hRnWtOU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:15:54 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Re: OT IN EAR MONITORS In-Reply-To: <01dc01c850f3$dce688f0$5101a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45401_11730125.1199686554145" References: <132383.32833.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <427DAD06-C95E-48F6-B511-EC2A2DAC7D86@mac.com> <47815DFD.6020002@post.cybercity.dk> <01dc01c850f3$dce688f0$5101a8c0@bobdell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 06:15:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45401_11730125.1199686554145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I used the Westone custom molds for years, before I noticed that audiences didn't like to be in the same room with the volumes that those earplugs protected me against (no more super loud drummers for me). But they're great for what they do. TH On Jan 6, 2008 10:09 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > > I should also point out that Westone also does custom mold in-ear > monitors, > but I have never had a pair made for myself since I've been happy with the > compressible foam. > > ------=_Part_45401_11730125.1199686554145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I used the Westone custom molds for years, before I noticed that audiences didn't like to be in the same room with the volumes that those earplugs protected me against (no more super loud drummers for me).  But they're great for what they do.

TH

On Jan 6, 2008 10:09 PM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> wrote:



I should also point out that Westone also does custom mold in-ear monitors,
but I have never had a pair made for myself since I've been happy with the
compressible foam.


------=_Part_45401_11730125.1199686554145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 07:30:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354E83BEB2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kHeVi5fFnzkupWc1vqTol8uZOVX4VPvwY0qlXw/AYoA=; b=B6TrI9psFanQLg/YW62Z2UUCDMBN/ARU02QeMbi2ln5E6CU1t2KFG//BrIK7Djm/5hUjPqDoFmzOWfec/iYJfTGbjNc4wgqJK+3a/XLKgtd+hSV1pW0F7KcJc1BZRDfGR5AZjUwO+1WnCeyCZex7z2ALw7gkIJbfzF+OO4WEXbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qxrtR7g0ARrGOjx7eh4HxeX2Hs3OsRBjLdzPFt4nyN/JdRK7hnRvqH1OKHLjEU6OfIxaW3eDoHyytI3/sOqNclTBvUBex/uGv+esEOPGmRjO8EVFD/Iu0X4eBYWKbkZuaGqo1HJJBpWzwz/teHf3kCgO0f1cOafkIGKs0oDZ5BQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801062330x3194161dx644facf4a7014e93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:30:38 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801061641h61f46672o73f1e8ae21a09ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <7bf141790801061641h61f46672o73f1e8ae21a09ef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:30:40 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 1:41 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Wow Per! That was a really great response. > > The Pod + Interface without pre's sounds interesting. The Echo Audiofire2 is > around usd 300 around here so i'll keep searching. But, from what i get, do > you think it would be usable for live performing? Can you trust it? At least I trust mine Audiofire2. But I don't use it as you intend. I use it to send audio digitally from one laptop to another one. I know another guy around here that is also happy with his Audiofire2, but he does remix style performances with Ablenon Live and hasn't much audio input though the card at the same time. So the bottom line is you can't really rely on my experiences with this card. > P.s.: Ha, i've never posted a video! I've post some audio clips of looping > with a DL4 and an acoustic guitar. But you did, in fact, replied to it > generously. That's the recording I remember! It was acoustic guitar and DL4. Somehow the impression have become "visualized" in my memory ;-)) Usually when thinking about music I find it more fun to focus on the visual aspect instead what is actually sounding in a strictly technical meaning, as sound and music also create some sort of "in-brain" experience very close to what you experience form simply watching stuff. That habit sort of spilled over and pulled a trick on me. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 07:35:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF503BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oJ7HPfcNXx8AxSHET8wQL2G3KgHC+2bVOg6StH9lxoU=; b=Lvd580ZoTe+DQ3WDmDJV0RTuLUrDGiur8kKj2870sxALA+ggQTxUn0WgTBQq2fCsH2j95Z1drDBndP8zHPIOWeQayzgrbWfkqp/MBsN+9Bm0foNEcpjXZFri0gFLk3uxk0tP67+bK5LSEg2kWuQL5tikNI2n9TpGgYx5/We6gPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ik1qzjo0gW+HtDRwhIlEgGRPf+1sVr7H77FZCXS5tAh7alpvBxdBZpvUklpOw+vDbE+ZhH60Fq41iTDHdaji5Z4ZgprS1Ra9xfml+xtmPZErWsTjKyKviA2dQfXsgZuooE43C+tsUv1u/iXeOkSwfYDnYcIbRpFMFkmyVcJsaMs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801062335w1d5ab590r46a11cc3150ecc80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:35:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electrix repeater mkii In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:35:58 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 6:29 AM, J Johans wrote: > > anyone know of a release date for the new repeater besides "early 2008" > ...? > > danke > > fro The rumor says "NAMM 2008January 17 - 20". In two weeks we will know if the rumor is right. Have patience - the loop will return. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 08:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7AA3BECF; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:47:10 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_802f0e49-e698-44af-b292-d4428bbd27dc_" X-Originating-IP: [4.236.30.106] From: Gemt kjxt To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:42:09 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801062335w1d5ab590r46a11cc3150ecc80@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801062335w1d5ab590r46a11cc3150ecc80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 08:42:10.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[3125B750:01C85109] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:47:11 +0000 (UTC) --_802f0e49-e698-44af-b292-d4428bbd27dc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings , if your speaking of the repeater update 2. it's been out for a few months = (it has many gains & some losses) Or are you referring to the software based repeater? > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:35:57 +0100 > From: perboysen@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: electrix repeater mkii >=20 > On Jan 7, 2008 6:29 AM, J Johans wrote: > > > > anyone know of a release date for the new repeater besides "early 2008= " > > ...? > > > > danke > > > > fro >=20 >=20 > The rumor says "NAMM 2008January 17 - 20". In two weeks we will know > if the rumor is right. Have patience - the loop will return. >=20 > --=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= --_802f0e49-e698-44af-b292-d4428bbd27dc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings ,
if your speaking of the repeater update 2.  it's been o= ut for a few months (it has many gains & some losses)
Or are you ref= erring to the software based repeater?

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08= :35:57 +0100
> From: perboysen@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@= loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: electrix repeater mkii
> > On Jan 7, 2008 6:29 AM, J Johans <parispro00@hotmail.com> wrote= :
> >
> > anyone know of a release date for the new repe= ater besides "early 2008"
> > ...?
> >
> > dank= e
> >
> > fro
>
>
> The rumor says "= NAMM 2008January 17 - 20". In two weeks we will know
> if the rumor i= s right. Have patience - the loop will return.
>
> --
>= Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se (S= wedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
>

Ge= t the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! = --_802f0e49-e698-44af-b292-d4428bbd27dc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:08:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF2A3BEC2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <256081.86391.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Video from 2003 'Sonic Blender', Boston live looping event Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:08:35 +0100 Message-ID: <003b01c85115$443adad0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <256081.86391.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AchRCzmVgxvc63U4QmS14q68ks6oDQACdfXQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:08:39 +0000 (UTC) > > Here's an excerpt from my set at the 'Sonic Blender' > loopfest held at the Zeitgeist gallery in Cambridge, > MA nearly 5 years ago that was featured on the 'Our > Town' television program. Not the greatest performance > (or hairstyle), but the host's commentary is classic! great commentary, music, _and_ hairstyle in my opinion! :-) is that a custom-built guitar? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:27:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92AE53BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tizLgjpDctWM88fFuyqW5n5FJGlmUWvU1DCqBQhC8yc=; b=eOsU/TODq51fL/S+qKXUUzAn8hQ3GUiAE4eTft4+gNxvwNyzuB77+C5f0y+yfxrLe49/AZi5hf0YwhMLnD6hF/Aqy7vCqBjEpZynY7ok3hNp4Nn3I9iwg4/SDCRP8oIyt+UzKp5/ca66XwtyJ+ZV1jBCg2+9tA309zImQulckHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=exYK4330hgHJj8xzAa46ggf9Orgs2Rl3XzuJl5quH+GwmnJiigSVOd/fCHNBZ2bsxbU7EvLaG51Cy7wV3mSXkX4Yl9ckOcRfa9LJToA+JGSpOuTCaDqVme7AT0lKQ4FcETFuHcPuc0OI+oT58GgKqF6fKANYRtRVHPYDdI5CdeU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:27:37 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electrix repeater mkii In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801062335w1d5ab590r46a11cc3150ecc80@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:27:38 +0000 (UTC) I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software. Can you confirm the rumor? Per On Jan 7, 2008 9:42 AM, Gemt kjxt wrote: > > Greetings , > if your speaking of the repeater update 2. it's been out for a few months (it has many gains & some losses) > Or are you referring to the software based repeater? > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2008 6:29 AM, J Johans wrote: > > > > > > anyone know of a release date for the new repeater besides "early 2008" > > > ...? > > > > > > danke > > > > > > fro > > > > > > The rumor says "NAMM 2008January 17 - 20". In two weeks we will know > > if the rumor is right. Have patience - the loop will return. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:36:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E36B3BED5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 713129693 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DCD3D@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Thread-Index: AchRGRZC8ANo+k1tTaaEkdDmB95kqg== References: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 10:35:58.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[171455A0:01C85119] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:36:01 +0000 (UTC) >>No, it's a laptop, and I wouldn't call that "roadworthy package".<< eh? please elaborate.... for me, a laptop with an external media drive is the ideal way to use s/w on the road. put it in a tough camera case & you're good to go. surely. what am I missing here? :-) duncan (PCs & macs here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 10:46:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79DE3BED5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 656159250/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.242.230 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.242.230 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAPKRgUdPSvLm/2dsb2JhbACCIwSkXoIP Message-ID: <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:45:31 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping-vst&sync References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > me even music with no sounding beat has a tempo. So that's why I > prefer Plogue Bidule instead of Max when I need to program with a > "virtual sound design toolbox and patch-bay". Bidule has a good system > for synchronizing tempo relating modules and it also supports VST Time > Info. I hear from the VST developers mailing list that. 1) Bidule was the only host that allowed vst plugs to freely sync with each other.( don't know if it's true, but I guess they meant Cubase/Ableton etc don't support it. 2) Steinberg are going to drop that functionality from the specs for vst with the next big upgrade to the vst standard (vst3). It'll still be possible to create hosts and plugs that use that type of syncing, but it's unlikely to become widespread. Matthias Grob has been in contact with Plogue, it seems that Bidule is not a significant source of income for them, they make a profit by selling their 'technology' to other companies. However, Bidule is important to them for publicity and as a demo. They only have one developer working on Bidule ( mostly to support changes in the OS), but don't plan to abandon it. This explains why Bidule is still around, but not really changed much in a couple of years. andy butler www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 11:06:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912CC3BED8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fWymPRF+LCAh2s+FSHvYXeAMXPkKHfawVFP2odvsczM=; b=NZU8K8Kn23VzNCcFeY/qs0UhjMGqYQhtjTfrInaG41aIUnfm4HaP6zBlUVOcqdve+6nXH4yiJApmyyYMp0agbEUE3hG2JDONvV+wk2CEXm8oIoWv8v4WJIHdYXGNKIw/LxRRuqdr/jPLfRyayPBQQVejwmC5JbMRJAyHKVUtH4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=it/Cv97n7uN9PpiChD3vosBC2eNCLBn1rL21UNN9p28/+gC1S7QBzJADLj7k8fDcAaN2ISAYyhef6GMGh7MSu7Je+2i8Iluq6H1cO7AoU2t8aI5ThK49LASUHrgldoj4HOjWoemqmtMVwMb5tq697jQTF2EE3WJ6huy7fEK7lwg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:06:31 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping-vst&sync In-Reply-To: <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:06:33 +0000 (UTC) > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > me even music with no sounding beat has a tempo. So that's why I > > prefer Plogue Bidule instead of Max when I need to program with a > > "virtual sound design toolbox and patch-bay". Bidule has a good system > > for synchronizing tempo relating modules and it also supports VST Time > > Info. > On Jan 7, 2008 11:45 AM, andy butler wrote: > > I hear from the VST developers mailing list that. > 1) Bidule was the only host that allowed vst plugs to freely sync with each other.( don't know if it's > true, but I guess they meant Cubase/Ableton etc don't support it. I'm no hardcore programmer, but I have had a very good experience with syncing VST plug-ins in Bidule. That is on both OS X and Windows XP. Bidule works the same on both systems, but I think it's even more powerful when run on a Mac because it then also supports AU plug-ins. I actually almost abandoned VST's on Mac - until Logelloop was released, which unfortunately only supports two VST plug-ins (and only in an effect send loop, no way to put plug-ins pre looper to play them and loop the effect spiced sound). > 2) Steinberg are going to drop that functionality from the specs for vst with the next > big upgrade to the vst standard (vst3). It'll still be possible to create hosts and plugs that > use that type of syncing, but it's unlikely to become widespread. Oh, that was bad news. At least there are still enough syncable VST plug-ins available to set up a good looping rig around Mobius in Bidule on Windows. My Mobius laptop rig won't need any more VST's so I am gladly backing it up, with all my license keys, for using it for many years on many lappies in the future. > > Matthias Grob has been in contact with Plogue, it seems that Bidule is not a significant source of income for them, they make a profit by selling their 'technology' to other companies. However, Bidule is important to them for publicity and as a demo. They only have one developer working on Bidule ( mostly to support changes in the OS), but don't plan to abandon it. > This explains why Bidule is still around, but not really changed much in a couple of years. Not necessarily all bad news. The fact that software doesn't change may actually a good thing for active artists. Given the software works well. This gives you a stable platform and instrument to develop your musical expression with. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 11:28:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17093BEE0; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:28:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: RE: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <-TjW-C.A.oQG.GzggHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:28:06 +0000 (UTC) > >>No, it's a laptop, and I wouldn't call that "roadworthy package".<< >=20 > eh? please elaborate.... for me, a laptop with an external media drive > is the ideal way to use s/w on the road. put it in a tough camera case & > you're good to go. surely. what am I missing here? :-) I mean "roadworthy" in the sense of going on the road as a musician. A "roa= dworthy package" for something that usually sits on some kind of table or s= tand during performance is a package where the device will not suffer damag= e if it gets thrown off the table onto the (possibly hard) stage or even au= dience space floor. For the typical laptop (a Macbook Pro was mentioned), t= his is not generally the case.=20 You're of course right that it works really well if you put it into a sturd= y case and only unpack it when you don't play music ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 11:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4CAA3BEDF; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 836114124 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:48:18 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DCDE1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: electrix repeater mkii Thread-Index: AchRIzHfA7pHq+rxTRCA2HmtguAJ9g== References: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 11:48:19.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[327542F0:01C85123] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:48:20 +0000 (UTC) >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<< wasn't there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my two with the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty fab (independent stop/start/reverse being the favourite), I still have ticking from some types of CFC, despite the low-noise mod. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:23:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82C063BEDD; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5855baa3-1e9c-49df-a7c2-b7eac0a2b911_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.85.23] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: edp microkorg sync help Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:23:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0712310307w3afe57edq288fb7ccff447b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0712310307w3afe57edq288fb7ccff447b30@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 14:23:28.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF60CA60:01C85138] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) --_5855baa3-1e9c-49df-a7c2-b7eac0a2b911_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all. =20 I just wanted to tell the list that I took all the advice given to me on sy= ncing the echoplex to a micro korg onboard and sat over the new year learn= ing mor abot midi and using it to control things. =20 I now have a really useful korg - edp setup where I can drum in a live patt= ern from my roland hand sonic to the edp, as soon as this loop is complete= the edp generates midi clock based on the tempo i just drummed in , i can = then move on to the micro korg and add layers of beautiful synced melodie= s!! yes!!!!! =20 Thanks to all who helped =20 Phill Wilson Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:05 +0100From: perboysen@gmail.comTo: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: edp microkorg sync helpHasn't the Mi= kroKorg a MIDI Input Filter? That would let you filter out external incomin= g MIDI Note data. =20 -- Greetings from SwedenPer Boysenwww.boysen.se (Swedish)www.looproom.com (= international) On Dec 31, 2007 4:25 AM, phillip wilson < phillwilson@hotmail.com> wrote: hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all. appologys for repost, = didnt put a headerheres a lil tricky one for you edp users. i got myself a = microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying down some live = beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from the edp so the= arps lock in to the beat nice and tight. sadly so far, no joy, i can get = the tempo light on the korg to flash in time with the midi on the edp set t= o out.s but no sound comes from the microkorg. the weird bit is that each = button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use to control the edp results = in some form of sound being omitted from the microkorg. i kind of get that= the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp and this is being rel= ayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you get it so only the clo= ck is being recieved and nothing else? i repeat, i have no interest in cont= rolling any peramiters of the microkorg from the footpedal, i just want to = send clock from the edp so the korg stays in time. anyone done the hard wor= k on this already willing to save my heart yet more stress in 2008. cheers= in advance phill myonemanband She said what? 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hi all.
 
I just wanted to tell the list that I took all the advice given to me on sy= ncing the echoplex to a micro korg onboard  and sat over the new year = learning mor abot midi and using it to control things.
 
I now have a really useful korg - edp setup where I can drum in a live patt= ern from my roland hand sonic to the edp, as soon as this loop is=   complete the edp generates midi clock based on the tempo i just drum= med in , i can then move on  to the micro korg and add layers of&= nbsp; beautiful synced melodies!! yes!!!!!
 
Thanks to all who helped
 
Phill Wilson

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:05 +0100
From: perboysen@gmail.com
To: L= oopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: edp microkorg sync help<= BR>
Hasn't the MikroKorg a MIDI Input Filter? That would let you filter = out external incoming MIDI Note data. =20

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (interna= tional)


On Dec 31, 2007 4:25 AM, phillip wilson < phillwilson@hotmail.com> wr= ote:
hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all.
 <= BR>appologys for repost, didnt put a header

heres a lil tricky one f= or you edp users.
 
i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have= been loking forward to laying down some live beats to the edp then having = the microkorg recieve sync from the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nic= e and tight.
 
sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light = on the korg to flash in time with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no s= ound comes from the microkorg.
 
the weird bit is that each but= ton push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use to control the edp results in = some form of sound being omitted from the microkorg.
 
i kind o= f get that the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp and this is= being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you get it so on= ly the clock is being recieved and nothing else?
 
i repeat, i h= ave no interest in controlling any peramiters of the microkorg from the foo= tpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so the korg stays in time. 
anyone done the hard work on this already willing to save my he= art yet more stress in 2008.
 
cheers in advance
 
p= hill myonemanband

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Try Search Charades! = --_5855baa3-1e9c-49df-a7c2-b7eac0a2b911_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 14:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C80D93BEE0; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MdAGFy7KYIQ6mez9hk9NgX5dRwwmpphGPuGyfksIuP4=; b=rcHKm/oFotthDQP0XooxdJMexyuWXcPgZoo0Y+dMg6Ppr9ilZiXah4LGeCKMdcW3MUBdsExXsPjpKsleuu4AR0R9riStIfNAYh43emCYyW4hJZthfrvnGG9/SZMd5KIdkFDwa9mMsrHjcnx+RkkIbL5ZmftpRtHw/tfH8ug8ed4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ud1Jf4UTc0LMHtPvn6YVHqxB8bXHCDUpAdUFR5vLm8TYxa5rrjVXLNAdYlS/6NOS/4uhU4v/9OkhR2Pxbb05gSyEFaConYZ0p/fIL1XxmuA1fVu42/GVSX21C39qfNvTF1OSYLIoxHRMoT7b3XoqywSxaoNC+qncLnHvQ9OIEPM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801070648q7181b493p181be6d3865800b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:48:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp microkorg sync help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0712310307w3afe57edq288fb7ccff447b30@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_8b4g.A.d7H.tujgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:48:13 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 3:23 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > > > hi all. > > I just wanted to tell the list that I took all the advice given to me on > syncing the echoplex to a micro korg onboard and sat over the new year > learning mor abot midi and using it to control things. > > I now have a really useful korg - edp setup where I can drum in a live > pattern from my roland hand sonic to the edp, as soon as this loop is > complete the edp generates midi clock based on the tempo i just drummed in , > i can then move on to the micro korg and add layers of beautiful synced > melodies!! yes!!!!! Cool! That's my favorite (technical) looping setup as well; "setting the global sync reference by the length of the first recorded loop". I used it in hardware with an EDP+Repeater setup, with a laptop looper + TC Electronics FireworX setup and today with an All Laptop Setup (Mobius + VST plug-ins). Something I like a lot, in such a self syncing rig, is to abruptly create a new master sync loop of a new length and thus forcing all the marching legions to turn for a new target. With the Repeater this action was particularly nice since the machine couldn't handle all that time-stretching on the spot and needed almost five seconds to gradually catch up with the new tempo. Wonderful! With Mobius in Bidule all the synced processing hit the new tempo right on. When using delays and reverbs a lot there is a vague "accelerandi effect", but not as the real thing in the Repeater. With Logelllop on Mac there is no possibility to sync VST effect plugins (yet...). But on the other hand Logelloop has an awesome default (also Max built) effect in the Granulaterre. It's a granular sampler and step sequencer that you can feed with an audio input. Play anything and hit the Record a Sample button/pedal on one particular note/sound and this sound will instantly start to circulate in the sequence you have running in Granulaterre. Different sequences can be called up by foot pedals, so you can have one for "Hellish Whole Note Drone", another one for "Sparse Dub Hit Minor Chord" or whatever... I'm now working on a set of Granulaterre presets that goes well with improvising any kind of chord change pattern. As for the off sync, or poly rhythm, trick the Granulaterre can either sync to the main eight track looper or you can Tap Sync it from a pedal into a completely different tempo. Now, there's some exciting territory to explore... -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 15:26:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C57A3BEDA; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:26:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:26:36 +0000 (UTC) I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and have learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks say mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some really cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some others in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but those frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies that were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. And it wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and below 0db, and there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only had to address troublesome resonant frequencies. So, I had to go back and re-master the files, adding a high pass filter that rolled everything off below 60hz. That did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the headphones. And I'm sure there are some hi fi systems that would have produced the original files well, but I can't expect everyone to have a system like that. Then I started fine tuning some of the other songs, doing a frequency spectrum analysis, watching and listening for other resonant frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with various parametric EQs and so on. Then it got complicated, because if I was altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem from an instrument in the mix, without changing the frequency of another instrument...so I go back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour just on one song and still not be satisfied with the results, or waver between two different approaches. Is there a simpler approach? I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to mixing/mastering their music. For example, after you remove the DC offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? What about compression/limiting? On average, how much of a threshold do you apply? Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes to maximize volume, or are you very conservative and preserve as much of the original dynamic range as possible, sacrificing some volume. What sort of tools are you using? I use Waves L2, and the whole sweet of others in that package. Ever use Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that recommended it during the master process, but I did not like the results. It altered too many other frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent. Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. And, quite honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar when it is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea of how a guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me. I spend a lot of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a sound guy butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic. As they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as possible, what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to ensure they don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo system? One source I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most systems wouldn't be ableto represent it. I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already altering the original dynamic range of the piece. Then, in principle, I should not have to mess with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, unless there are serious playback issues on common stereo systems. That is the direction I would like to head, but I struggle with competing with other mixes out there in the same genre that are so ridiculously loud because of the amount of compression/limiting applied, followed by level increases. How much of a change in dynamic range, from original source to mastered recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example, I start with a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is above -10db), and master my file so that 40% of my material is above -10db, what am I sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived increase in level? I suppose this is where the black art comes in, because it's not as if there were a low of physics that dictates how this should be done; rather it is based on subjective or relative engineering practices. Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to be both a sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer at the same time. Kris > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, >> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. >> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and >> then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. > Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply by two > for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 = 20.6Hz. You're definitely into the > subwoofer's range. > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:14:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2BBD3BED8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022301c85148$37702250$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:13:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0220_01C85158.FAC05620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:14:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C85158.FAC05620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear krispen, i think commercial mastering is about compression. especially multiband = compression. i use multiband compression as a dynamic eq for mastering = rather than compressing to get more db out of the piece. i think first insert a high pass filter which will cut below 30hz. then = the typical waves mastering eq, multiband comp, limiter setting. you = should be careful about maxbass. i think you should use that plugin = mostly for subbass oriented dance, electronica tracks, it may really = destroy a proper rock/pop mix. for waves L2 you should not go below -5 db. after that it starts to = degrade the signal. ( to my ears ) set the multiband compression so that it acts as a dynamic eq. you have = to control the peaks in frequencies and for that it is better to use = multiband comp than a eq. i use all the 5 bands of the waves multiband. = you need to experiment with the crossover frequencies of course. you can = compress 4-5 dbs of the sub bass and bass range. this will give you a = much more punchy and clear presentation of the piece. also if you can, try to invest money for an analog mastering eq. i use = manley eq for my mastering sessions. even a 1 db boost at 80 hz gives = you a such a loving, controllable bass.=20 best. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and = have=20 learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks say = mastering=20 and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these particular songs, = they=20 sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some really cool and = deep=20 things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some others in the = 62hz=20 range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but those = frequencies=20 were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car stereo, = portable=20 stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies that were = rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. And it = wasn't=20 a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and below 0db, = and=20 there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only had to = address=20 troublesome resonant frequencies. So, I had to go back and re-master = the=20 files, adding a high pass filter that rolled everything off below = 60hz. That=20 did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the headphones. And I'm = sure=20 there are some hi fi systems that would have produced the original = files=20 well, but I can't expect everyone to have a system like that. Then I=20 started fine tuning some of the other songs, doing a frequency = spectrum=20 analysis, watching and listening for other resonant frequencies, = unusual=20 spikes, etc....correcting them with various parametric EQs and so on. = Then=20 it got complicated, because if I was altering a whole mix, then I = could not=20 fix one problem from an instrument in the mix, without changing the=20 frequency of another instrument...so I go back to the source = tracks/wavs,=20 etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour just on one song and still not = be=20 satisfied with the results, or waver between two different approaches. = Is=20 there a simpler approach? I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to = mixing/mastering=20 their music. For example, after you remove the DC offset, do you = apply a=20 unique approach to applying EQ? What about compression/limiting? On=20 average, how much of a threshold do you apply? Do you suck the dynamic = range=20 out of your mixes to maximize volume, or are you very conservative and = preserve as much of the original dynamic range as possible, = sacrificing some=20 volume. What sort of tools are you using? I use Waves L2, and the = whole=20 sweet of others in that package. Ever use Waves MaxxBass? I read some = articles that recommended it during the master process, but I did not = like=20 the results. It altered too many other frequencies in my mix beyond my = original intent. Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of = my=20 original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. And, = quite=20 honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar = when it=20 is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea of = how a=20 guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me. I spend a = lot=20 of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a sound guy=20 butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic. As they say, "If it = ain't=20 broke, don't fix it." So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as = possible,=20 what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to ensure = they=20 don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo system? One = source=20 I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most systems = wouldn't=20 be ableto represent it. I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I would = only=20 ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply any = compression=20 whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already altering the = original=20 dynamic range of the piece. Then, in principle, I should not have to = mess=20 with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, unless there are serious playback = issues on common stereo systems. That is the direction I would like to = head,=20 but I struggle with competing with other mixes out there in the same = genre=20 that are so ridiculously loud because of the amount of = compression/limiting=20 applied, followed by level increases. How much of a change in dynamic = range, from original source to mastered recording can a human ear = identify?=20 If, just as an example, I start with a -60db to 0db range (where only = 10%=20 of my material is above -10db), and master my file so that 40% of my=20 material is above -10db, what am I sacrificing to obtain an overall=20 perceived increase in level? I suppose this is where the black art = comes in,=20 because it's not as if there were a low of physics that dictates how = this=20 should be done; rather it is based on subjective or relative = engineering=20 practices. Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to be = both a=20 sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer = at the=20 same time. Kris > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max = (looper,=20 >> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my = guitar.=20 >> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), = and=20 >> then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. > Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply by = two=20 > for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 =3D 20.6Hz. You're definitely = into the=20 > subwoofer's range. > > Cheers, > > Bill >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C85158.FAC05620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
dear krispen,
 
i think commercial mastering is about compression. especially = multiband=20 compression. i use multiband compression as a dynamic eq for mastering = rather=20 than compressing to get more db out of the piece.
 
i think first insert a high pass filter which will cut below 30hz. = then the=20 typical waves mastering eq, multiband comp, limiter setting. you should = be=20 careful about maxbass. i think you should use that plugin mostly for = subbass=20 oriented dance, electronica tracks, it may really destroy a proper = rock/pop=20 mix.
 
for waves L2 you should not go below -5 db. after that it starts to = degrade=20 the signal. ( to my ears )
 
set the multiband compression so that it acts as a dynamic eq. you = have to=20 control the peaks in frequencies and for that it is better to use = multiband comp=20 than a eq. i use all the 5 bands of the waves multiband. you need to = experiment=20 with the crossover frequencies of course. you can compress 4-5 dbs of = the sub=20 bass and bass range. this will give you a much more punchy and clear=20 presentation of the piece.
 
also if you can, try to invest money for an analog mastering = eq. i use=20 manley eq for my mastering sessions. even a 1 db boost at 80 hz gives = you a such=20 a loving, controllable bass.
 
best.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 = 5:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on = to=20 mastering

I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on = a=20 project and have
learned a lot of new methods and = techniques.  I've=20 heard folks say mastering
and mixing is a black art, now I know = why. In=20 these particular songs, they
sounded wonderful on my headphones. = There=20 were some really cool and deep
things going on in the 44hz range = and=20 below, and some others in the 62hz
range. It all sounded great = through my=20 headphones, but those frequencies
were reeking havoc on my = consumer stereo=20 systems - car stereo, portable
stereo, etc. They were really = prominent=20 resonant frequencies that were
rattling the hell out of the = speakers and=20 causing distortion.  And it wasn't
a level problem...all my = stuff was=20 compressed/limited and below 0db, and
there was no redlining in my = original recordings. It only had to address
troublesome resonant=20 frequencies.  So, I had to go back and re-master the
files, = adding a=20 high pass filter that rolled everything off below 60hz. That
did = the=20 trick, but I really miss the sound in the headphones. And I'm sure =
there=20 are some hi fi systems that would have produced the original files =
well,=20 but I can't expect everyone to have a system like that.  Then I=20
started fine tuning some of the other songs, doing a frequency = spectrum=20
analysis, watching and listening for other resonant frequencies, = unusual=20
spikes, etc....correcting them with various parametric EQs and so=20 on.  Then
it got complicated, because if I was altering a = whole mix,=20 then I could not
fix one problem from an instrument in the mix, = without=20 changing the
frequency of another instrument...so I go back to the = source=20 tracks/wavs,
etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour just on one = song and=20 still not be
satisfied with the results, or waver between two = different=20 approaches.   Is
there a simpler approach?

I'm = wondering=20 what others uses as a consistent approach to mixing/mastering =
their=20 music.  For example, after you remove the DC offset, do you apply = a=20
unique approach to applying EQ? What about = compression/limiting?  On=20
average, how much of a threshold do you apply? Do you suck the = dynamic=20 range
out of your mixes to maximize volume, or are you very = conservative=20 and
preserve as much of the original dynamic range as possible,=20 sacrificing some
volume. What sort of tools are you using? I use = Waves L2,=20 and the whole
sweet of others in that package.  Ever use = Waves=20 MaxxBass? I read some
articles that recommended it during the = master=20 process, but I did not like
the results. It altered too many other = frequencies in my mix beyond my
original intent.

Moreover, = the=20 idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my =
original=20 dynamic range and frequency character as possible.  And, quite=20
honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar = when it=20
is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea = of how=20 a
guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from = me.  I=20 spend a lot
of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not = appreciate a=20 sound guy
butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic.  = As they=20 say, "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."

So, if I want to = preserve=20 as much of my dynamic range and EQ as possible,
what is the bare = minimum I=20 should be doing to my final mixes to ensure they
don't generate = problems=20 on the average listener's stereo system?  One source
I found = said to=20 elminate anything below 60hz because most systems wouldn't
be = ableto=20 represent it.  I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I would only =
ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply any=20 compression
whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already = altering the original
dynamic range of the piece. Then, in = principle, I=20 should not have to mess
with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, = unless there=20 are serious playback
issues on common stereo systems. That is the=20 direction I would like to head,
but I struggle with competing with = other=20 mixes out there in the same genre
that are so ridiculously loud = because of=20 the amount of compression/limiting
applied, followed by level=20 increases.  How much of a change in dynamic
range, from = original=20 source to mastered recording can a human ear identify?
If, just as = an=20 example,  I start with a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% =
of my=20 material is above -10db), and master my file so that 40% of my =
material is=20 above -10db, what am I sacrificing to obtain an overall
perceived = increase=20 in level? I suppose this is where the black art comes in,
because = it's not=20 as if there were a low of physics that dictates how this
should be = done;=20 rather it is based on subjective or relative engineering=20
practices.

Any thoughts or best practices would be = appreciated here=20 on how to be both a
sound source preservationist, yet a playback = friendly=20 sound engineer at the
same = time.

Kris




>=20 Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> As many folks know on the list, I = use=20 laptop processing via max (looper,
>> other octave effects) = that=20 completely transform the sound of my guitar.
>> It is not = uncommon=20 for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and
>> then = apply a=20 two octave drop.  I'm not sure what that would be.
> Divide = the=20 frequency by two for each octave you drop.  (Multiply by two =
> for=20 every octave you raise.)  82.4/4 =3D 20.6Hz.  You're = definitely into=20 the
> subwoofer's range.
>
> = Cheers,
>
>=20 Bill
>
------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C85158.FAC05620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 16:21:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFBC93BEE1; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3893 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:21:06 UTC Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:16:09 -0500 From: Richard Rives Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20080107101419.0233cc10@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Yes, there's supposed to be www.electixpro.com http://www.electrixpro.com/products/repeater2.html Rich At 06:48 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote: > >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<< > >wasn't there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my >two with the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty fab >(independent stop/start/reverse being the favourite), I still have >ticking from some types of CFC, despite the low-noise mod. > >d. 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FQOPTKKFRUKIXFLPIGROBDRVRRBSBFLIXVMJJQ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 17:07:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3198F3BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 836200698 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: RE: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:07:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DD050@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Thread-Index: AchRT7hfWDdrXSsnTTGnOgOFBEFiDw== References: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 17:07:02.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[B90EA4B0:01C8514F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:07:07 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>I mean "roadworthy" in the sense of going on the road as a musician. A "roadworthy package" for something that usually sits on some kind of table or stand during performance is a package where the device will not suffer damage if it gets thrown off the table onto the (possibly hard) stage or even audience space floor. For the typical laptop (a Macbook Pro was mentioned), this is not generally the case.=20 You're of course right that it works really well if you put it into a sturdy case and only unpack it when you don't play music ;)<< gotcha. but shirley (name that movie...) pretty much anything that's not rack-mountable is at the same sort of risk.... e.g. I have a twenty-odd year old moog source that sits on the upper tier of a keyboard stand. one misguided dance routine by my guitarist could send this valuable antique crashing to the stage, & by the same token I could easily knock over his 1967 telecaster while it's perched in one of those cute-but-really?is-it-up-to-the-job? fender guitar stands that folds up tiny & fits in the case. the solution is to have sturdy stands & ban alcohol & idiocy from one's performance area. fwiw, & for new readers, my guitarist's jamman was similarly at risk (lived on the floor for a few months when we first got it) until I hit upon the idea of mounting it on a stand. after a little experiment with a mic-stand adaptor (bit wobbly..) we got a cheap camcorder tripod. of course, I had to make holes in the lexicon's base to mount the wedgeplate, but after that it was as safe as anything & very convenient too. I'm not suggesting that one do the same with laptops, mind you. & I think there's a market for a sturdier laptop.... carillon make a range of super-quiet rackmount PCs for studios- why don't they make a road-proof, stage-safe laptop with a piece of toughened acrylic to protect the screen? water-tight keyboard? built-in midi sockets? XLRs? jeez, I feel like doing it myself now.... :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 17:26:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596423BECC; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jhaEGyXyZeM3Y8w60/liawrSDjSIHLwl4wZHc7EkwjU=; b=oI63a/KrKDTbfRPsCcY+tuvrpDRUvfsYpW/df3giTNzuzRuLfslJb2WlJzZjYcJSQHcOZTnGmL64Te8kEGEKbA1xEBtWVzdGF9tCb+XkS8NI/Mp4yLA2lJE3kyTb8As2xLajen/GuTtQmmDlQB/hQzFVMPYQ1J51l+YtLtaTMY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aY28yY9/SAEC9TUq73CnJKtI0iNIeOxpBCiXHbTNeTJc0nM1Fr33nU3tNQGa/0sTCkRANB1eoacXmtBaPPTh0Qf7grWb/ytBAZLqxQvb0XhduSmJw/2wjkMapi0aX9bmkcMW7eh/Zz9tBsRdgawpIvFAMuMNVzBv/eHAGjbd4M8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801070926o24f0d5ecp5ee16a31e0dc7216@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:26:30 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering In-Reply-To: <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:26:38 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 4:26 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > ...mastering and mixing ... All aspects of mastering and mixing that you bring up are true. Learning to do it well is very much a question about making the mistakes, going back to learn about it and remaking it in the correct way. What makes this learning process difficult, when working all by yourself, is that it may be almost impossible to single out "THE mistake you did when mixing/mastering" because so many parameters interact all the time in a dynamical way. If applying a scientific approach, by measuring frequencies etc, you will soon get too much data at hand. So therefore, I recommend a Trial And Error method for learning mixing and mastering. Also, no media for recorded sound can compete with the human hearing. We can hear and pick out a soft sound even against a background of loud noise. That's because hearing is stereophonic and the brain analyses phase correlation in micro seconds - and DIRECTION appears almost 3D to us when hearing live. That simply doesn't make it onto a left/right recording. So the whole process of making a recording sound natural and musically compelling is not about recording the true sound but rather about cheating the listening ear to interpret the recording in an emotional way similar to the real hearing experience. So to start with the bass frequencies; you are correct that it is a good thing to roll them off. But if you do this at the mastering stage you can not correct mistakes in keeping too prominent bass frequencies on the single original tracks. Over the years, as I have been focusing more on my own music instead of mixing other people's recordings, I have gravitated towards cutting out bass etc as early as possible. This is because then it won't interfere with how frequencies mix and get squashed by each other. The problem with bass is that it brings energy that affects the sounding music even if you don't hear that bass particularly well. So what you have to do is listening to a bass track, mix it with a less bassy track and then perform a "test mastering" of the resulting mix. Work on the mastering file with multiband compression and some graphical Frequncy Analizer to learn what frequencies are more or less prominent and how changes i one frequency affects what happens, dynamically, in a different band. Then go back to the source material/tracks and EQ them before performing a new "test mastering" and vice versa. Repeat and learn, repeat and learn.... "Appeared Loudness" is the term for describing a recording mixed and mastered in a way that makes it possible to maximize and achieve a clear definition of most frequency bands. It's then important that no specific band brings too much energy, because that will set the upper ceiling for how much you can blow it up. To find the golden balance when blowing it up balances original musical dynamics is dependent on musical style, fashion and personal taste. Since you are interested in an electric orchestra guitar jazz sound you should know that such a sound is very difficult to make stand out, as in "appeared loudness", just because it brings many frequencies with much "not easily heard" frequencies. Here comes the art of orchestration into the picture. When working with that powerfully sounding instruments, not everything you are able to play is possible to record - unless cutting a bit out. So one might as well think about arranging the music in a way that it may sound loud when finally mixed and fixed on a medium. But, on the other hand, "the art of recording" is very much about cheating the human ear by presenting colors that stand out against each other. Try thinking about mixing and sound design as you relate to tuning up your guitar! The cleanest and crispiest sound is achieved when the strings are perfectly tuned. But a guitar may sound more interesting if the strings are just a little bit out of tune. This happens because "infra tones" and "overtones" then appear more. The same inter dependency is to be found, and manipulated, between different channels of sound that are to be merged into a mix. What I'm getting at is that you may leave certain frequencies on different sounding material to "compete" and create "diabolic infra tones" just as a "spice" in the emotional side of the music/sound. The more frequency clashing is going on in a mix the more "interesting" it sounds - on a good system. But when played back on a bad system it all becomes elephant pooh. So you may use some trial and error to learn the proper way of feeding the elephant. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:03:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5583BEC2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0cgPE6/1w== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:03:27 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c85157$9abc3790$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchRQbKH1M4+QkjqQEOOux+yak23sQAEX8KA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Krispen, > wonderful on my headphones. There were some really cool and > deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some > others in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my > headphones, but those frequencies were reeking havoc on my > consumer stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. > They were really prominent resonant frequencies that were > rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. Simple solution: get a decent car stereo (although my car's Mark Levinson Amps w/ Infinity speakers and Lexicon processing do some tricky things as well - that is, the Lexicon processing does it). > source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour > just on one song and still not be > satisfied with the results, or waver between two different > approaches. Is > there a simpler approach? The usual approach (as I understand it) is not necessarily simpler but more effective in the long run: * get a set of speakers which are good (the typical candidates for active monitor speakers (e.g. Genelec, Dynaudio) will most probably work). * learn those speakers. Meaning: listen extensively to stuff for which you know that it generates problems on other systems, and learn how it sounds on your speakers. Learn how the solution sounds. Basically, learn how a specific mix "translates" to another, perhaps crappy (e.g. portable stereo, mobile phone, laptop, AM radio) format. > I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to > mixing/mastering their music. One important thing (although not that relevant for your application, more when using microphones, especially omnis) is to include a highpass filter *per channel* that cuts everything out which doesn't belong into the music. If you record a soprano singer, there's no need to record down to 50 (or even 100) Hz. This can even increase the dynamic bandwidth of your system (best do it before the converters), as low frequencies contain a lot of energy. > threshold do you apply? Do you suck the dynamic range out of > your mixes to maximize volume, or are you very conservative > and preserve as much of the original dynamic range as > possible, sacrificing some volume. For me, there's a simple rule which will you give better results immediately: use a compressor/limiter not to increase loudness, but to make it sound better. For that, A/B listening becomes rather tricky, because (if you're listening at lower levels), the ear perceives "louder" as "better". So, analyze your source material's loudness (RMS will do), then set up your compressor, set the output gain so the RMS level is the same as before and compare to the unprocessed signal. If it doesn't sound better, don't compress. Now, this may be a problem if you're targeting a market where maximum loudness is a must - are you targeting that? Basically, this market is youths with baggy pants in pimped rides. (FM) Radio stations are NOT that market, simply because they use processors in their signal chain which will already make the material more punchy and, if necessary, more compatible with the limits of FM radio. Actually, there has been a discussion within some US FM broadcaster's organisation to specify maximum RMS levels for material to be accepted for airplay. Didn't find that very article, but two others instead: http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html http://www.orban.com/support/orban/techtopics/Appdx_Radio_Ready_The_Truth_1. 3.pdf > package. Ever use Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that > recommended it during the master process, but I did not like > the results. It altered too many other frequencies in my mix > beyond my original intent. Can't understand who would suggest that. It works fine on individual tracks (bd, bass) though, if you're targeting an audience with challenged listening equipment. > I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I > would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and > not apply any compression whatsoever...because once you do > that, you are already altering the original dynamic range of > the piece. Define "original dynamic range". I believe the thought of an original dynamic range of the piece for electric/electronic instruments is somewhat misleading. It's clear for e.g. a concert grand - it's just the sound you hear when sitting at a distance of about 10m from it in a 50m2+ room. That would mean that if you close-miked that grand, you had to apply compression, because the mics get hit by a lot more dynamics than the listener's ear. Then for your guitar: if you adapt your playing and/or sound settings to what you hear during playing, then the original dynamics is what you hear while playing (i.e. the signal chain from guitar through processing through amp through speaker through air), not what you probably are recording directly after the processing, and again, the dynamic range (and also the presence of some high or low frequency content) at that point in the signal chain will be much higher. > Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on > how to be both a sound source preservationist, yet a playback > friendly sound engineer at the same time. Ok, here's another thought: take a recording you like. Rip the CD (or take the MP3) and load it into your audio processing tool. Look at the frequency curves and at the RMS level. Make your mixes and masters to be similar. Personally, I found that everything that is louder than 'round -12dB RMS becomes unacceptable for me (at least for the stuff I do, referring to beat-based passages). A trick I like, btw, is (as you referred to the Waves stuff) what they describe as "midrange compression" on their C1 manual. One album where I found this approach to be used is "Unspeakable" by Bill Frisell. Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:09:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC083BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:09:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:09:24 +0000 (UTC) In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to me. However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with. Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage? Thanks Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:15:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78763BED9; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <296701c85159$41e9f510$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <022301c85148$37702250$0300000a@erdem> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:15:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:15:19 +0000 (UTC) > i think commercial mastering is about compression. especially multiband > compression. i use multiband compression as a dynamic eq for mastering > rather than compressing to get more db out of the piece. > i think first insert a high pass filter which will cut below 30hz. then > the typical waves mastering eq, multiband comp, limiter setting. you > should be careful about maxbass. i think you should use that plugin mostly > for subbass oriented dance, electronica tracks, it may really destroy a > proper rock/pop mix. 30hz. Interesting. That is most definitely more appealing to me. I will give that a try and see how my stereo systems handle it with my material. If I can sneak some more low end frequency in and still be home stereo friendly, that would be great. Another question on this. When you use a high pass, do you set it so that it starts to curve down at 30hz, and then tapers off somewhere far below? Or do you set it so that by the time it tapers off to a total cut off, it is at 30hz? I would assume the latter, if you truely want to prevent anything below 30hz from getting through. This is similar to what I did with 60hz, and I used a very step curve with the Q setting. So basically there is a rapid cut off of 60hz and below, but a steep curve to let higher frequencies in. I tried both steep and gradual curves and the steep curve got rid of the low end issues, but also kept my tone full. Using a gradual curve just cut more frequencies off above 60hz. > for waves L2 you should not go below -5 db. after that it starts to > degrade the signal. ( to my ears ) I'm confused, though. L2 is a compressor/limiter, and also dithers. So do you use one of the Waves compressor/limitors, and then just set L2 so that it does not compress again, but only dithers from 2/432 to 16 bit (if your record at those bit rates)? > set the multiband compression so that it acts as a dynamic eq. you have to > control the peaks in frequencies and for that it is better to use > multiband comp than a eq. i use all the 5 bands of the waves multiband. > you need to experiment with the crossover frequencies of course. you can > compress 4-5 dbs of the sub bass and bass range. this will give you a much > more punchy and clear presentation of the piece. What one are you using in Waves? There are so many. Audiotrack? Is is the only one I see in Waves that has both EQ and compression settings. Thanks! I like this conversation. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957613BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3611 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:21:13 UTC Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:20:54 -0500 From: Scott Duncan Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DD050@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2482A13E-537C-4378-915C-CE2809B4218E@webworkz.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-228438699 References: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DD050@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4CyS8B.A.cKB.Z2mgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:21:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-228438699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > why don't they make a > road-proof, stage-safe laptop with a piece of toughened acrylic to > protect the screen? water-tight keyboard? built-in midi sockets? XLRs? > > jeez, I feel like doing it myself now.... :-) > > d. ~~~~~~~ Yes, please do start constructing, I'd like one too ...... can I send you $20.00 deposit towards future purchase ? Mac OS 1st ? kidding / serious / kidding & serious... Happy 2008 -- Scott Duncan --Apple-Mail-1-228438699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Jan 7, 2008, at = 12:07 PM, Goddard, Duncan wrote:

why don't they make a
protect the screen? water-tight keyboard? = built-in midi sockets? XLRs?

jeez, I feel like doing it = myself now.... :-)

d.

~~~~~~~

Yes, please do start = constructing, I'd like one too ...... can I send you $20.00 deposit = towards future purchase ?=A0 Mac OS 1st ?

kidding / serious / kidding = & serious...

Happy 2008 = --

Scott = Duncan








= --Apple-Mail-1-228438699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354FF3BEDA; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9d0afa8a-a4c1-4963-9ef6-404e4dd434f2_" X-Originating-IP: [66.49.5.10] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:22:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080107101419.0233cc10@verizon.net> References: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080107101419.0233cc10@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 18:22:34.0590 (UTC) FILETIME=[462697E0:01C8515A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:22:50 +0000 (UTC) --_9d0afa8a-a4c1-4963-9ef6-404e4dd434f2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable repeater mk II is supposed to be the new hardware version of the repeater. = i do not understand the differences between the repeater mkii and the old r= epeater loaded with version 2 software. if anyone has any info, please send= it my way. im going to be using 5 repeaters in my rig, so noise floor and = midi quality are my highest concerns =20 thanks =20 fro> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:16:09 -0500> From: rhrives@verizon.net> Subje= ct: RE: electrix repeater mkii> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > = Yes, there's supposed to be> > www.electixpro.com> > http://www.electrixpro= .com/products/repeater2.html> > Rich> > > > At 06:48 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote= :> > >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<<> >> >wasn't = there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my> >two with = the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty fab> >(independent stop= /start/reverse being the favourite), I still have> >ticking from some types= of CFC, despite the low-noise mod.> >> >d.> >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120= 08= --_9d0afa8a-a4c1-4963-9ef6-404e4dd434f2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable repeater mk II is supposed to be the new hardware version of the repeater. = i do not understand the differences between the repeater mkii and the old r= epeater loaded with version 2 software. if anyone has any info, please send= it my way. im going to be using 5 repeaters in my rig, so noise floor and = midi quality are my highest concerns
 
thanks
 
fro

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:16:09 -0500
> From: rhrives@= verizon.net
> Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii
> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Yes, there's supposed to be>
> www.electixpro.com
>
> http://www.electrixpro.= com/products/repeater2.html
>
> Rich
>
>
>=
> At 06:48 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
> > >>I was refer= ring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<<
> >
> >= ;wasn't there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my
= > >two with the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty f= ab
> >(independent stop/start/reverse being the favourite), I stil= l have
> >ticking from some types of CFC, despite the low-noise mo= d.
> >
> >d.
>
>


Share l= ife as it happens with the new Windows Live. Start sharing! = --_9d0afa8a-a4c1-4963-9ef6-404e4dd434f2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:23:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5573BEDF; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1df3d220-1ebf-46ad-bb47-895b258a176e_" X-Originating-IP: [66.49.5.10] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:23:36 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080107101419.0233cc10@verizon.net> References: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20080107101419.0233cc10@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2008 18:23:36.0716 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B2E44C0:01C8515A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:23:37 +0000 (UTC) --_1df3d220-1ebf-46ad-bb47-895b258a176e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable repeater mk II is supposed to be the new hardware version of the repeater. = i do not understand the differences between the repeater mkii and the old r= epeater loaded with version 2 software. if anyone has any info, please send= it my way. im going to be using 5 repeaters in my rig, so noise floor and = midi quality are my highest concerns =20 thanks =20 fro> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:16:09 -0500> From: rhrives@verizon.net> Subje= ct: RE: electrix repeater mkii> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > = Yes, there's supposed to be> > www.electixpro.com> > http://www.electrixpro= .com/products/repeater2.html> > Rich> > > > At 06:48 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote= :> > >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<<> >> >wasn't = there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my> >two with = the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty fab> >(independent stop= /start/reverse being the favourite), I still have> >ticking from some types= of CFC, despite the low-noise mod.> >> >d.> >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008= --_1df3d220-1ebf-46ad-bb47-895b258a176e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable repeater mk II is supposed to be the new hardware version of the repeater. = i do not understand the differences between the repeater mkii and the old r= epeater loaded with version 2 software. if anyone has any info, please send= it my way. im going to be using 5 repeaters in my rig, so noise floor and = midi quality are my highest concerns
 
thanks
 
fro

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:16:09 -0500
> From: rhrives@= verizon.net
> Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii
> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> Yes, there's supposed to be>
> www.electixpro.com
>
> http://www.electrixpro.= com/products/repeater2.html
>
> Rich
>
>
>=
> At 06:48 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
> > >>I was refer= ring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<<
> >
> >= ;wasn't there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my
= > >two with the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty f= ab
> >(independent stop/start/reverse being the favourite), I stil= l have
> >ticking from some types of CFC, despite the low-noise mo= d.
> >
> >d.
>
>


Put you= r friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. Start now! = --_1df3d220-1ebf-46ad-bb47-895b258a176e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:39:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB513BED8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sl84YZUv50pPCB9Gh4v+CCz94uUXoO40wW2q6nkwzjU=; b=rUrOw+XgIQPEHRYdE7uCqFXvw/JJ4rtMQfrul4UsP+kID2p1f9ymbir+MGVQzKGTqFdUbWEFteFrQxNXGO9imn3NVVUPU8iEkf+rXIhVvxVLC3kCVek535ot4IpyaqKeu6CPPoT55x0Ehxt3KojDTZUa8I4aebWwtMPPbuhQJvI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XLFO9RCBmqI0cdUOXxu1yopWXkE1AplNVoU5IyeDTT+wj1iqbXOQecWIvz4nzBjrLqaPWY/h7QNACyFzyI9sU5X/2/NljGJX8+BUAUAK3/a4MqmNtmYcez4ja/2t1yAGlAM7vZ6zT+J1OaclBppMJbKSinWUWEwQJcNQ7AnwgQI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:39:00 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) In-Reply-To: <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4jAx1.A.F7B.IHngHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:39:04 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to me. > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with. > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage? > Thanks > Chris No. But since it will evidently go belly up at some point in the future you may as well buy your next laptop already today and keep handy with the same stuff installed. Wo when the bad mojo hits you one night on stage you can simply swap it while chatting for a minute with the audience. Hmm... maybe a too expensive advice for MB Pro users. But be sure to pick up the insurance (AppleCare Protection Plan). I took one on my old PowerBook and the week before the prolonged three year period ended I brought it in for service and had a brand new motherboard installed completely for free. I did not buy such an insurance for the studio G5 I bought five years ago and when the motherboard crapped out I had to put up the dough myself because it provided the base for my modest income. I was stupid to think I was smart saving up on that money. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 18:54:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99F93BEDB; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CMCynqDuveNUkVcETZs2e4UOwTqixfVQLCJsGgsOoMQ=; b=YSHKMaugNtNlmNhAO7WO+iOzN/lOHrnZEBAqvR1XkiAVeRE15FrtdrGe/9cY39sIDGNVMYHnP94XyJHC2QkfzKClIiyrRJN0hMFv+FklW7ZyAThNJ8YOEJIepwSAwOdzaK9FOOYG+ILBHO8zN1j6xg0gjzbKcsGX8EmrVrEphcQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j/KcGD+MsKZ0l1KoSEmZdmJedAMrK1eYrrKq3zfrGrlHN3FEDU2MJtdvrAUZO+Kv4gpp1r+VSdr0wTXl6SjGDgy4tZsT7EqDHeTYWYDhCbGsLcWmfqbKQbjWp1841VK2Dewp4qo5cj8JV0Bs3d95sio8TPN0JESZ734f2D9wU84= Message-ID: <4759e5740801071047w1217e327h51df93d266d8ba9c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:47:54 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11939_32039585.1199731674360" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:54:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11939_32039585.1199731674360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline here here on the apple care comments from Per.. to date, I've saved over 4500 dollars and only paid 1000 of it for my apple care (on three computers which needed service) also, once, I've had to do a whole performance running off of my cloned hard drive (superduper), and done it successfully. that's my answer to the stability question... with that done, you can run off of anyone's mac, as long as it is close to the power of your own... I'm not running at the numbers you are, chris, but when I was, I was using my laptop exclusively, and feeling stable. I'm not sure if the extensive hardware reviews on this particular model are out yet, though. all best, todd -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_11939_32039585.1199731674360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline here here on the apple care comments from Per.. to date, I've saved over 4500 dollars and only paid 1000 of it for my apple care (on three computers which needed service)

also, once, I've had to do a whole performance running off of my cloned hard drive (superduper), and done it successfully.  that's my answer to the stability question...  with that done, you can run off of anyone's mac, as long as it is close to the power of your own... 

I'm not running at the numbers you are, chris, but when I was, I was using my laptop exclusively, and feeling stable.  I'm not sure if the extensive hardware reviews on this particular model are out yet, though.

all best, todd


 

 


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------=_Part_11939_32039585.1199731674360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:00:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCEBC3BEE4; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <298601c8515f$816c4ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000d01c85157$9abc3790$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:00:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <4LuFuB.A.zzC.3angHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:00:07 +0000 (UTC) > Simple solution: get a decent car stereo (although my car's Mark Levinson > Amps w/ Infinity speakers and Lexicon processing do some tricky things as > well - that is, the Lexicon processing does it). It is a decent stereo....not stock, at least. It has four infinity speakers...the problem is that it has no sub. However, I don't want to get into the practice of mastering my music relative to hi fi equip standards...otherwise, 95% of my friends who don't own that quality of stereos will suffer. > The usual approach (as I understand it) is not necessarily simpler but > more > effective in the long run: > * get a set of speakers which are good (the typical candidates for active > monitor speakers (e.g. Genelec, Dynaudio) will most probably work). Yup. I am investing in some studio monitors. Probably the Event ALP5 or Mackie HR625 MKII. I need to stop mastering with my headphones, which aren't even studio headphones, but consumer. > One important thing (although not that relevant for your application, more > when using microphones, especially omnis) is to include a highpass filter > *per channel* that cuts everything out which doesn't belong into the > music. > If you record a soprano singer, there's no need to record down to 50 (or > even 100) Hz. This can even increase the dynamic bandwidth of your system > (best do it before the converters), as low frequencies contain a lot of > energy. Yes...consistent with Per's comments. Do the fixing with the source, not the final mix. I'm doing that now. > For me, there's a simple rule which will you give better results > immediately: use a compressor/limiter not to increase loudness, but to > make > it sound better. Well, that is entirely unhelpful, Rainer! :) Which of one million subjective definitions of better shall I use? What is better to me, may sound horendous to others. My main goal is to master such that it sounds as close to the orignal recorded material as possible, with as little coloration and reduction of dynamic range as possible, yet also maintain a level that will be competetive with other recordings out there (jazz, classical, etc). After that, listeners can use their own EQ settings to change to their taste, but I would prefer to master "flat" as best as possible. So, I guess my desires boil down to two thing: 1) Flat equalization (meaning that I would to preserve as much of the original frequency range and dynamics as possible, and 2) moderate perceived loudness (without completely damaging natural dynamic range). > Now, this may be a problem if you're targeting a market where maximum > loudness is a must - are you targeting that? Oh no. I would prefer that mixes of my own music be on the level of, let's say, a professional jazz CD...but not, let's say, the track slammin', compressed to insanity mix of someone like Britnay Spears. > Didn't find that very article, but two others instead: > http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html > http://www.orban.com/support/orban/techtopics/Appdx_Radio_Ready_The_Truth_1. > 3.pdf >> I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I >> would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and >> not apply any compression whatsoever...because once you do >> that, you are already altering the original dynamic range of >> the piece. > > Define "original dynamic range". >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range "the ratio of the loudest possible undistorted sound to the quietest or to the noise level". So, if the most quet part of my of my song is -20db, and the loudest part is -.5db, then my dynamic range is 19.5db. However, after I compress and re-ajust my top level to -0.5db, I ma end up with a dynamic range of 10db, depending on how high I increase the "floor" of my range. The question I have, is what is an acceptable or average acceptable reduction of dynamic range to most jazz musician sound engineer ears? 20% 30% What I want is a situation where the sound of me barely plucking my guitar string is not the same level of me striking all 6 strings as hard as I can. That would be a serious track slammin' compression. Yet, I also want to put my CD in a player and not have to turn up the volume radically to sound as loud as other professioanl jazz recordings. I want some consistency with other productions in a similar genre. See the situation now? >> Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on >> how to be both a sound source preservationist, yet a playback >> friendly sound engineer at the same time. > > Ok, here's another thought: take a recording you like. Rip the CD (or take > the MP3) and load it into your audio processing tool. Look at the > frequency > curves and at the RMS level. Make your mixes and masters to be similar. Ah, that is interesting. I will do that today! > Personally, I found that everything that is louder than 'round -12dB RMS > becomes unacceptable for me (at least for the stuff I do, referring to > beat-based passages). > > A trick I like, btw, is (as you referred to the Waves stuff) what they > describe as "midrange compression" on their C1 manual. One album where I > found this approach to be used is "Unspeakable" by Bill Frisell. I tried that on a song, if I follow you correcly. I tried to flatten out the frequency range so that it wasn't bulging in the mid range area...then I applied L2 to get it up to level. It sounded very consistent and a good volume, but flat as a pancake. It was just an experiment to test the features of my system. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:11:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0BA3BEDA; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:10:59 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-29-234630981 From: David Steinberg Subject: EEE PC for looping ? Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:04:06 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:11:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-29-234630981 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux out of the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have succeeded in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really legal...). It has 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, 4 GB of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very small and weighs about 900 grams. http://www.asus.com/products.aspx? l1=24&l2=0&l3=0&l4=0&model=1907&modelmenu=1 So, would looping software run well on this device ? I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it exists for both Linux and OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or something else). There's just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for simple looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more in/outs if the machine could handle it. If it was possible to have Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not too processor-heavy) running ok on this, it could be a very cool solution for a portable looping setup, methinks... Any ideas about this ? Thanks, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-29-234630981 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all,

The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, = and it runs linux out of the box (you can also install XP and I've read = that people have succeeded in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this = is not really legal...). It has 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it = seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, 4 GB of solid state disk (flash = memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very small and weighs about 900 = grams.


So, would = looping software run well on this device ?
I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it = exists for both Linux and OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or = something else).

There's = just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for simple = looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more in/outs = if the machine could handle it.
If it was possible to have = Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not too processor-heavy) running = ok on this, it could be a very cool solution for a portable looping = setup, methinks...

Any ideas about this ?

Thanks,

"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"

 =

= --Apple-Mail-29-234630981-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2FB3BECD; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9FhtJcNpbENTf1gF43evvY1ulTd9GbyPMbLsMGcacZY=; b=LV+qj9/Fx6GY2QR0xeXCfniiNxFPnhWVaqeyvvWub5rEpiuK5wVIdwgA+ZQL4MTPN5DwN4pUQJ/OmKoQiOiG00gVPK90toIKt9QA95dLqA2CicpC6IKBA5faZj4r4cfH2sBWZWOfl5RQijfkKB5ySvix8VM/VR+APfEJj5i1Nos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hyWT6izL6ozW2E1F+UAs+nekPjbi+22CDlVvayBBQr/ZM+KuW31kWNRxyrHyoUc+3UnI5xGxn9jXfLgKoYPkH7m+riEcCfhQ7UiYASATL529p/9QMtviLztTnQp2YNyew0GT/DOH7HiEB3o824wb+JPWysQBiBbnib0Rt/Utwfs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801071121v6fc5edbck3c23debf0fbd40ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:21:09 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: <8AGlXD.A.mvD.pungHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:21:13 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 8:04 PM, David Steinberg wrote: > Hi all, > > > The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux out of > the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have succeeded in > installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really legal...). It has 512 > MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, 4 GB > of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very small > and weighs about 900 grams. > > > http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24&l2=0&l3=0&l4=0&model=1907&modelmenu=1 > > So, would looping software run well on this device ? > I've always avoided Celeron processors for audio application. Well, almost always - not during 1999 somewhere, when the legendary 300 MHz Celeron could be easily overclocked and there still was a point in overclocking a CPU to gain performance. I'm not sure exactly what is up with the Celeron today, but you should read up on its specifications and compare it with the Duo 2 Core that at this moment in history is the best laptop CPU for audio. Go to Tom's Hardware, www.laptop.com or a similar site because I noticed not all specifications of interest are given out on that page you posted the link to. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:31:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6E13BECC; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 667416790/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.244.183 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.244.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAEoMgkdPSvS3/2dsb2JhbACCIwSmBoIP Message-ID: <47827E2C.4070908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:31:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering References: <000d01c85157$9abc3790$1001a8c0@succubus> <298601c8515f$816c4ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <298601c8515f$816c4ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) hi Kris, 1) It's possible that an uneven frequency response in your headphones causes part of the problem, maybe you're having to push the bass frequencies up to make them sound right, leading to problems with the car system. 2) Surely there's no standard answer for the question about the dynamic range on a jazz album. I bet a John Scofield album is far more compressed than "Kind of Blue". Traditionally, classical albums would be compressed just enough to fit them onto vinyl, so not really any guidelines there either. 3) You need at least one set of good full range studio monitors if you're serious about mastering, otherwise it's guesswork. I've read good reviews of headphones for mastering as a cheaper alternative though. Even then, you need to watch for bass frequencies that are below the range of the speaker. 4) I would work through the whole piece looking for loud peaks, and then think about whether to reduce the volume on each of them manually (from individual track if available) if that would help to make the overall normalised track a bit louder. >From a listener point of view, I rather hear your music with dynamics fully intact, if that's how you like it to sound, and no multi-band compression ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:39:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 599093BECD; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0cgPE6/1w== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:39:54 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <298601c8515f$816c4ac0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchRX4Xi5qY0CDicRtSj2SCAv8kPgAAAn9Kw Resent-Message-ID: <-SAR1C.A.V4E.p_ngHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) > Yup. I am investing in some studio monitors. Probably the > Event ALP5 or Mackie HR625 MKII. I need to stop mastering > with my headphones, which aren't even studio headphones, but consumer. The second statement is very true. For speakers, I would suggest you find a store which has a rather decent setup for comparing them (i.e. has a few of them set up with matched levels and an easily accesible switcher). My personal suggestion would be the Dynaudio BM5A, which for some really obscure reason sounds better than their more expensive BM6A (which is in the same price range as the Mackie). For what you save in comparison to the Mackie pair, you could almost get a BM9S sub (or not - I'd reckon prices in the U.S. are somewhat different). The Mackie (to my ears) has a somewhat "spiced up" sound, especially in the low mid and low department. However, speakers are very much a matter of taste - what will work for me may not work for you and vice versa. > > For me, there's a simple rule which will you give better results > > immediately: use a compressor/limiter not to increase > loudness, but to > > make it sound better. > > Well, that is entirely unhelpful, Rainer! :) Which of one > million subjective definitions of better shall I use? The most simple one: yours! Hey, you're not making music so the biggest possible percentage of the world population will buy it, but to make a few people (including you, and sometimes me) happy. More precisely: there are a few things which the human hearing usually doesn't work that well with, at least in typical listening conditions. If you mix instruments with a huge dynamic range (e.g. bass guitar direct into the board) with some instruments with a limited dynamic level (e.g. organ, at least with a good player), then the bass guitar will be too loud and too soft at the same time - simply because the attacks will always pierce through the organ and the sustain will get lost. The solution: compression. Read up the characteristics of a LA2A which I like on bass (my POD simulates it) and use it. When we talk about settings for compressors and limiters, I guess we'd need to discern between mixing (per track) and mastering (2bus) use. And (again: "fix it in the mix" strategy), careful use of per-track compression will automatically make your listening experience more enjoyable and mixing easier. But you want it again more specific, and more specific I shall become: http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/6eb83b0f05504a95a31c07029f4eb7b1.pdf (found the last chapter very helpful). > Oh no. I would prefer that mixes of my own music be on the > level of, let's say, a professional jazz CD...but not, let's You mean like -25dB RMS (example: "Blues" - Keith Jarret/The Paris Concert, ECM 1401 839 173-2) > > Define "original dynamic range". what I meant by this question is explained below, where I go on about the concert grand and the jazz guitar into laptop through amp and speaker thing... > compression. Yet, I also want to put my CD in a player and > not have to turn up the volume radically to sound as loud as > other professioanl jazz recordings. I want some consistency > with other productions in a similar genre. See the situation now? Why that? What is the maximum position (on a scale from 0 to 10) you or your friends usually operate their stereos at? > > A trick I like, btw, is (as you referred to the Waves > stuff) what they > > describe as "midrange compression" on their C1 manual. One > I tried that on a song, if I follow you correcly. I tried to > flatten out the frequency range so that it wasn't bulging in > the mid range area...then I applied L2 to get it up to level. No, I meant what is described by the passages referred when you search for "mid-level" in the C1 Setup Guide. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 19:58:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37EDC3BECC; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2505 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:58:23 UTC Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:02:21 -0500 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) Message-ID: <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:58:24 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my > > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to me. > > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be > > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I > > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned > > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with. > > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage? > > Thanks > > Chris Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or anything. Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a brand new macBook now. I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too. The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between set music also. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 20:42:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910CF3BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:42:13 UTC Message-ID: <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:39:00 -0700 From: "holotone@gmail.com" Sender: cole@holotone.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8299_22227566.1199734740602" References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7082ef5d747f6166 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:42:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8299_22227566.1199734740602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had great luck with my Eee running Xubuntu and SooperLooper - Oddly enough, it's even great with ZynAddSubFX for synthesizing! ~holotone On 1/7/08, David Steinberg wrote: > > Hi all, > The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux out > of the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have succeeded > in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really legal...). It has > 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, > 4 GB of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very > small and weighs about 900 grams. > > > http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24&l2=0&l3=0&l4=0&model=1907&modelmenu=1 > > So, would looping software run well on this device ? > I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it exists for both Linux and > OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or something else). > > There's just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for > simple looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more > in/outs if the machine could handle it. > > If it was possible to have Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not too > processor-heavy) running ok on this, it could be a very cool solution for a > portable looping setup, methinks... > > Any ideas about this ? > > Thanks, > > > "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" > > > -- ~holotone http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_8299_22227566.1199734740602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've had great luck with my Eee running Xubuntu and SooperLooper - Oddly enough, it's even great with ZynAddSubFX for synthesizing!

~holotone

On 1/7/08, David Steinberg <waveform@free.fr> wrote:
Hi all,

The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux out of the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have succeeded in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really legal...). It has 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, 4 GB of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very small and weighs about 900 grams.


So, would looping software run well on this device ?
I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it exists for both Linux and OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or something else).

There's just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for simple looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more in/outs if the machine could handle it.

If it was possible to have Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not too processor-heavy) running ok on this, it could be a very cool solution for a portable looping setup, methinks...

Any ideas about this ?

Thanks,
</daviD>

"Simulating the true styles and making carefully.
 Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !"




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http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_8299_22227566.1199734740602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 20:50:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19003BEC2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pm6AuIWzlhhzPGQDT5109E9S0M/Qe4Rr/Ar0nZrYny0=; b=QkpKeR/Aq9lchDJKvNPh7SsmyWOo3d3byFhzFoqcNRuVBAkaQ73J9VmFly/7/xOhYCUbdlQg0ayQAyU9uC/4oj4suwr4FJkhNeKzn1/mjmsdGs6krf/5ISmek2o1ztIuMCiekw/OOvPQYOYH1NIeF0+2OZ7Ac1Oeh+sdWYKH5Rc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ELsRcoxfQ8d+MKQG/qkp8gacj8X1gRPKZwZ2ZMIxsDa9JPkAxFe27Qxw98mntk5pFFTdkP51lTMyYOAxtN/PokaEm2oSbB+YH/WLRZ9XBmYBUAthtMzdsCbTee6PM6Hg/hzcZURKUwLsgtUdFtomo9Gi0vG7TCvADHMsaPu8sQE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801071250l289e1772mc1d021dc4fb3d125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:50:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:50:58 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 7, 2008 8:39 PM, holotone@gmail.com wrote: > I've had great luck with my Eee running Xubuntu and SooperLooper - Oddly > enough, it's even great with ZynAddSubFX for synthesizing! Cool! Right before Apple announced OS X we were many that believed Linux was to become the great music application OS for the future. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:03:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300DD3BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080107204213.F11FD3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080107204213.F11FD3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30-241796579 Message-Id: From: David Steinberg Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p_:_EEE_PC_for_looping_=3F?= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:03:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <-JZEnD.A.nFB.8OpgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-30-241796579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed > De : "Per Boysen" > Date : 7 janvier 2008 20:21:09 HNEC > =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Objet : R=E9p : EEE PC for looping ? > > I've always avoided Celeron processors for audio application. Well, > almost always - not during 1999 somewhere, when the legendary 300 MHz > Celeron could be easily overclocked and there still was a point in > overclocking a CPU to gain performance. I'm not sure exactly what is > up with the Celeron today, but you should read up on its > specifications and compare it with the Duo 2 Core that at this moment > in history is the best laptop CPU for audio. Go to Tom's Hardware, > www.laptop.com or a similar site because I noticed not all > specifications of interest are given out on that page you posted the > link to. Yep, the Celeron is indeed not the fastest processor on earth, but it =20= should still be enough to launch a few not too CPU-intensive apps... I've found a forum thread where people talked about using audio apps =20 on the EEE : http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=3D4264&p=3D1 Reason does not react very well (too much cpu usage), but Live seems =20 to be ok (depending on the plugins used), and apps like audacity or =20 cool edit pro work well too. So, if there's enough horsepower for some loopers and simple plugins, =20= the only remaining difficulty would be to be able to see enough info =20 on the 7 inch 800*480 screen ;). 800*480 should be enough to have two instances of sooperlooper =20 visible on the screen, right ? What about Mobius ? I'm aware that a "full" laptop would be able to run anything I'd like =20= (my macbook for example), but this thing is both cheap (300$/=80) and =20= small (22.5 x 16.5 x 3 cm, 0.92 kg) and could be perfect for someone =20 like me who doesn't want to use his "main" machine for music and =20 would just like to have something that could always be kept with his =20 instruments and could be almost hidden by the other noisemakers when =20 playing live... :) "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-30-241796579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
De : "Per Boysen" <perboysen@gmail.com>

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Date : 7 janvier 2008 20:21:09 HNEC

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=C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Objet : R=E9p : EEE PC for looping = ?


I've always avoided Celeron processors = for audio application. Well,

almost always - not during 1999 somewhere, when the legendary = 300 MHz

Celeron = could be easily overclocked and there still was a point in

overclocking a CPU to gain = performance. I'm not sure exactly what is

up with the Celeron today, but you = should read up on its

specifications and compare it with the Duo 2 Core that at = this moment

in history is the best laptop CPU for audio. Go to Tom's = Hardware,

www.laptop.com or a similar site = because I noticed not all

specifications of interest are given out on that page you = posted the

link = to.


Yep, the Celeron is indeed = not the fastest processor on earth, but it should still be enough to = launch a few not too CPU-intensive apps...

I've found a forum thread = where people talked about using audio apps on the EEE :=A0

Reason does not react very well (too much cpu = usage), but Live seems to be ok (depending on the plugins used), and = apps like audacity or cool edit pro work well too.

So, if there's enough = horsepower for some loopers and simple plugins, the only remaining = difficulty would be to be able to see enough info on the 7 inch 800*480 = screen ;).

800*480 should be enough = to have two instances of sooperlooper visible on the screen, right = ?
What about Mobius ?

I'm aware that a "full" = laptop would be able to run anything I'd like (my macbook for example), = but this thing is both cheap (300$/=80) and small (22.5 x 16.5 x 3 cm, = 0.92 kg) and could be perfect for someone like me who doesn't want to = use his "main" machine for music and would just like to have something = that could always be kept with his instruments and could be almost = hidden by the other noisemakers when playing live... = :)

"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"



= --Apple-Mail-30-241796579-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DAFD3BEC5; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:07:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <82Nk5B.A.5RB.fSpgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Since we're talking mixing and mastering, here's a follow-up regarding reference monitoring: When you guys are checking out your mixes on other systems (we're talking car stereos, home stereos, boomboxes, etc.), do you normally test with that system's tone controls set flat, or turned to the typical user's settings? I recently ended up with one mix that sounded pretty good when I checked it on a stereo with the typical "smile curve" EQ. I got similar results in the car with the same treble and bass tweaking I normally do during everyday driving. Yet in both cases, when I switched the EQ to flat, the whole mix went amazingly lifeless. Without the normal twerks, it became overall kind of 'meh...'. As an experiment, I tried the opposite -- mixing for a flat reference system -- which then resulted in the exact opposite: a mix that sounded okay with no EQ, but was obscenely overhyped with only the slightest user customization. In the end, I mixed for what I figured the end-user would most likely be listening to, but I've not really encountered a situation where it made such a marked difference. Has anybody else run into a similar issue in the past? --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:14:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B8A3BED9; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 656437923/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.244.183 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.244.183 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAHwkgkdPSvS3/2dsb2JhbACCIwSPQpZkghU Message-ID: <4782963B.4090203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:14:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:14:23 +0000 (UTC) kris >> Yup. I am investing in some studio monitors. Probably the >> Event ALP5 or Mackie HR625 MKII. I need to stop mastering >> with my headphones, which aren't even studio headphones, but consumer. > (If there wasn't the weak dollar at the moment my advice might have more point...but) Personally I'd go for Genelecs, but you'd have to go for something pricey to get the low range extension. I have the 1032s, which is probably overkill. PMC TB2 speakers are pretty flat to 40Hz and are often used in studios (and sound amazing), I'm pretty sure they do an active version. I've no idea how much that would cost in US though. If you've got lower frequencies than 40Hz then there's not really a practical way to master for them outside a purpose built mastering studio, you'll just have to use a spectrogram to make sure those frequencies are quiet enough not to be overbearing if someone actually has a system that can reproduce them. Either of those options is a serious step up from Event or Mackie, ... you'd notice the difference. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:20:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 411E93BEDA; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId3OoDJgms= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:20:40 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c85173$27d04a70$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchRcVgFeeXvx9lRScmFH5rMyd5xEwAAN3zw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <-ltfJD.A.RzB.DepgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:20:04 +0000 (UTC) > When you guys are checking out your mixes on other systems > (we're talking car stereos, home stereos, boomboxes, etc.), > do you normally test with that system's tone controls set > flat, or turned to the typical user's settings? I normally set the tone controls on most systems to flat, however, in my car (the aforementioned Mark Levinson/Infinity/Lexicon thingie - now, with that list of brand names, guess who the automotive supplier is that supplies this system to the OEM), I usually have a "hint of a disco smile" set (+2 AMUs at 80Hz, +1 AMU at 10kHz) (that with LOGIC7 turned to concert hall setting). For that reason, when I listen to my stuff in the car, I use that exact setting. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 21:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864A83BED8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XfhQc7cZ3dNiGPqe4vgtFlF/IFtc4dKK0rhogU9i2X8=; b=tbTvFz1y+po/jMuCUe3/j8hBCMobKNXnisNWj2yJG71egh2IAcEMRL2nVNmHTA+t2mXaTbOn+7ULQKtiCcABiHsDbY97jojK/jUFVM2i2S4P9flRdlQilOK/8TjKq2axKFu28fGaqdXzGQG7G8DIsxbppRUeNHD/Rt3w2+byiCw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=xQwxUnZ+jTr/7R1b0I+5WZBMurFwDtcNrmAvRfe278QkZ82UldLmnzUm63BAn+4GqCnBhp3tgpgumYTfeU8BNoa5XvnjhNpPak8+mRt68Ei7IV5Jmh2NfsEr6TzbCwyFhPevlfiR3HpotlEV51kKwRB/Rw1RjLj+dUEZxYpBoSI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:24:46 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DD050@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49065_18505319.1199741086726" References: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DD050@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49065_18505319.1199741086726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Because musicians would say "I want a laptop with exactly these specs...now put it in the special case for next to nothing with no added weight to boot". There a few companies that make laptops that are super rugged, but they're expensive and they aren't optimized for music. On 1/7/08, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > > > > & I think there's a market for a sturdier laptop.... carillon make a > range of super-quiet rackmount PCs for studios- why don't they make a > road-proof, stage-safe laptop with a piece of toughened acrylic to > protect the screen? water-tight keyboard? built-in midi sockets? XLRs? > > > ------=_Part_49065_18505319.1199741086726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Because musicians would say "I want a laptop with exactly these specs...now put it in the special case for next to nothing with no added weight to boot". 

There a few companies that make laptops that are super rugged, but they're expensive and they aren't optimized for music.

On 1/7/08, Goddard, Duncan <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> wrote:



& I think there's a market for a sturdier laptop.... carillon make a
range of super-quiet rackmount PCs for studios- why don't they make a
road-proof, stage-safe laptop with a piece of toughened acrylic to
protect the screen? water-tight keyboard? built-in midi sockets? XLRs?



------=_Part_49065_18505319.1199741086726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:17:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400933BEC2; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50133.167.83.10.20.1199744243.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <4782963B.4090203@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <4782963B.4090203@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mastering Aid was Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Mid last year I experimented with and started using Har-Bal. http://www.har-bal.com/ It's pretty cool and has elminated those, "I tried it here and it was great but there it sounds blah" situations. Once I've dialed in the curves, I've yet to pop it into my car or any other sound system, and it not sound right. The visual confirmation has actually improved my ability to hear what's good and bad in a mix and to be able to make consistent mixes from song to song. What's also cool is that you can take the curves from music you like and use that as the visual baseline to go along with the baseline in your ears/skull. Then you can match your new song to that baseline. Very cool! I found it interesting too to look at the music you believe should be a good baseline and see what the actual amount of compression/headroom looks like. It might make you change your mind. ;-) ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55E7D3BEC7; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 9809 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:22:31 UTC Message-ID: <70f68b660801071422r56a8ca50h87a135628ef862a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:22:26 -0700 From: "holotone@gmail.com" Sender: cole@holotone.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801071250l289e1772mc1d021dc4fb3d125@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8983_7554484.1199744546332" References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801071250l289e1772mc1d021dc4fb3d125@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c8c80535d1d74210 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:22:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8983_7554484.1199744546332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I still believe it is - OSX be damned! :) ~h On 1/7/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > Cool! Right before Apple announced OS X we were many that believed > Linux was to become the great music application OS for the future. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > -- ~holotone http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_8983_7554484.1199744546332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I still believe it is - OSX be damned! :)

~h

On 1/7/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Cool! Right before Apple announced OS X we were many that believed
Linux was to become the great music application OS for the future.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

--
~holotone
http://holotone.net/ ------=_Part_8983_7554484.1199744546332-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:26:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7293A3BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 304983.96432.bm@omp406.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ctFvQOE8pP2ODaMWRHndo9JQzV5UWcbs/1X8IoLa5Zvw7c2asNhbZM8i8ucjNrO+uqFM6objlYp9pyE40v5l3M5bM/4LOHcmMcXc6gQ9pOvEIb8f/6AVwgUKCmrckylUTVyAQF34sDj28hIbYekOR3tA2e3/TV+d4pWCrlvBdFg=; X-YMail-OSG: g16lM5gVM1m7BBFiwsgfaOMtEkq.ydX4X6TVc6.YKR_05ZaJCJBDlJLg8YBfUOOHIEbbTNzh4fZLXrYL6PnAOqQ3Urt0w4rkAV5DkjfbJ_JMmtO1yQU7j510Bejvww-- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Video from 2003 'Sonic Blender', Boston live looping event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003b01c85115$443adad0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <113757.99518.qm@web45106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:26:19 +0000 (UTC) --- Michael Peters wrote: > > > great commentary, music, _and_ hairstyle in my > opinion! :-) is that a custom-built guitar? Thanks Michael! That guitar is one that I built myself very shortly before that show. The shape and neck/body junction are based loosely on the Teuffel Tesla, but the electronics are more like a standard Les Paul, and the tremolo setup is a Steinberger R-trem. I originally built it with a second two-string fretless bass neck (as it appears in the video), but removed the second neck shortly afterwards as it wasn't really earning its keep. (It really required a 2nd full-range amp in addition to the guitar amp for the bass to sound good, and the long skinny neck kept whacking into my rack, the mic stand, innocent passersby, etc.) It was supposed to have had a photoelectric theremin in the middle pickup position. (It's routed for it and the middle pickup cover is a dummy, but I never did put the circuit in.) Also, the Dimarzio that was in the bridge position is now in my Tele, and I've never gotten around to wiring up its replacement, so at the moment it's only got the one neck humbucker... I've got some photos of it posted at the Eccentric Luthiery Support Group... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D254C3BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1fkofsEF5eSBrZJYZTX4Uk/PdQGKKIyPyf/csWT/vUzJrh3FgVJB03aioNQ4OnUO76Qjm6hZ9wVR3AExgb3eev048adlg8bTuqZ/+fBkpd/BqBJZtmZdft+Qy3TsN0Txn9AXmKTym8d4OBaEm9BO/yOjXE0tsyIvhRAeAfjgURQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 7Tbs3g4VM1m1er1FIcp33t00_eP0oEXEQjDKN9WD1qDOKjWYDceltVF4xwcIv44eSTb6t9esDWNzZ54D1N5J56xyqL_xTjJ4nVDlThk507dTwHH8s5IsD6LguLugAQ-- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:34:24 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Video from 2003 'Sonic Blender', Boston live looping event To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801060913u32ca845bp7b00c40b562d2723@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <420101.42920.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:34:27 +0000 (UTC) great introduction, much better articulated and defined that we ourselves loopers can! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 5:50 PM, Tim Nelson > wrote: > > > > > > Here's an excerpt from my set at the 'Sonic > Blender' > > loopfest held at the Zeitgeist gallery in > Cambridge, > > MA nearly 5 years ago that was featured on the > 'Our > > Town' television program. Not the greatest > performance > > (or hairstyle), but the host's commentary is > classic! > > > > -t- > > > Hairstyle or not, the magic vibe was definitely > there! Great > presentation too! That was back in 2003 but gosh, > modern loopers need > such a great master of ceremonies more than ever! > Loopers need to get > out and play for non-loopers! > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:38:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3323BEDB; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=I/Ya6Nb3ivsVs9nMKMKXju1ItIiisqH8gVKZA6ecZ6o=; b=ug0bdy/M8KiaHCmLkpUO++mSPJ/WymrUQ7HujUmRK96PnlX0MTw8ns3zbDAfUcDKythRSPXGiqvw6+8sa2E2d38vs+LD825MshGdMapJzmXQ7PWD0QIclR7CNBpOaQFWjioM2Bp/yT21/WDgO2iou2iJhJGkHD72RGUsWPXMI/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KMsSqYhSKZUkX2DmcCdNMI7yLtWKbpMEC4cvqnh3+puxu7JnMOSqNumOgmhH3QPVN6I6xVR2dhyL11uPW3UQGQtvcaOayIsyL5v5YOLA6gKh+XzKs9lwg2RSAUMDBUo+mqz/nzbesEqILymfCnbdNNfFarU0gDLte+0H1G6B9Y8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801071438v5c69dbb2n622e5b5dc1781703@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:38:55 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <70f68b660801071422r56a8ca50h87a135628ef862a9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801071250l289e1772mc1d021dc4fb3d125@mail.gmail.com> <70f68b660801071422r56a8ca50h87a135628ef862a9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:38:56 +0000 (UTC) He, he... interesting point! I'm viewing that topic from a more practical side rather than academic. And then you have to look also at what tools are available and how easy you can get hold of them. By using Apple hardware and software I can minimize my own hours lost to activities not directly having to do with creating sounding music. That's just my top priority, not to bash Linux or BeOS (another former "The Music OS" candidate). Per On Jan 7, 2008 11:22 PM, holotone@gmail.com wrote: > I still believe it is - OSX be damned! :) > > ~h > > On 1/7/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > Cool! Right before Apple announced OS X we were many that believed > > Linux was to become the great music application OS for the future. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 22:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B44E3BEB6; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c8517e$dddc2360$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <022301c85148$37702250$0300000a@erdem> <296701c85159$41e9f510$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:44:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8518F.A0EABA50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8518F.A0EABA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i set it so that it cuts anything below 30hz. sometimes there can be a = lot energy around 20-25 hz which creates dc offset problem and eats up = your headroom. i use 2 compressors ( multiband and analog mastering comp ) and waves = L2. i compress around 1-2 db with the analog compressor. i use multiband = for mostly controlling the peaks especially around 60-120 hz and around = 250- 400 hz. then at the end, i boost the signal around 3-4 dbs with the = L2. i can dither with other plugins, not l2. that is the waves mastering linear multiband compression. this is for commercial rock-pop-hiphop- electronica sound. for jazz, = electroacoustic, classical these will change dramatically! best. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering > i think commercial mastering is about compression. especially = multiband=20 > compression. i use multiband compression as a dynamic eq for = mastering=20 > rather than compressing to get more db out of the piece. > i think first insert a high pass filter which will cut below 30hz. = then=20 > the typical waves mastering eq, multiband comp, limiter setting. you = > should be careful about maxbass. i think you should use that plugin = mostly=20 > for subbass oriented dance, electronica tracks, it may really = destroy a=20 > proper rock/pop mix. 30hz. Interesting. That is most definitely more appealing to me. I = will give=20 that a try and see how my stereo systems handle it with my material. = If I=20 can sneak some more low end frequency in and still be home stereo = friendly,=20 that would be great. Another question on this. When you use a high = pass, do=20 you set it so that it starts to curve down at 30hz, and then tapers = off=20 somewhere far below? Or do you set it so that by the time it tapers = off to a=20 total cut off, it is at 30hz? I would assume the latter, if you truely = want=20 to prevent anything below 30hz from getting through. This is similar = to what=20 I did with 60hz, and I used a very step curve with the Q setting. So=20 basically there is a rapid cut off of 60hz and below, but a steep = curve to=20 let higher frequencies in. I tried both steep and gradual curves and = the=20 steep curve got rid of the low end issues, but also kept my tone full. = Using=20 a gradual curve just cut more frequencies off above 60hz. > for waves L2 you should not go below -5 db. after that it starts to=20 > degrade the signal. ( to my ears ) I'm confused, though. L2 is a compressor/limiter, and also dithers. So = do=20 you use one of the Waves compressor/limitors, and then just set L2 so = that=20 it does not compress again, but only dithers from 2/432 to 16 bit (if = your=20 record at those bit rates)? > set the multiband compression so that it acts as a dynamic eq. you = have to=20 > control the peaks in frequencies and for that it is better to use=20 > multiband comp than a eq. i use all the 5 bands of the waves = multiband.=20 > you need to experiment with the crossover frequencies of course. you = can=20 > compress 4-5 dbs of the sub bass and bass range. this will give you = a much=20 > more punchy and clear presentation of the piece. What one are you using in Waves? There are so many. Audiotrack? Is is = the=20 only one I see in Waves that has both EQ and compression settings. Thanks! I like this conversation. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8518F.A0EABA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i set it so that it cuts anything below 30hz. sometimes there can = be a lot=20 energy around 20-25 hz which creates dc offset problem and eats up your=20 headroom.
 
i use 2 compressors ( multiband and analog mastering comp ) and = waves L2. i=20 compress around 1-2 db with the analog compressor. i use multiband for = mostly=20 controlling the peaks especially around 60-120 hz and around 250- 400 = hz. then=20 at the end, i boost the signal around 3-4 dbs with the L2. i can dither = with=20 other plugins, not l2.
 
that is the waves mastering linear multiband compression.
 
this is for commercial rock-pop-hiphop- electronica sound. for = jazz,=20 electroacoustic, classical these will change dramatically!
 
best.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 = 8:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on = to=20 mastering

> i think commercial mastering is about compression. = especially multiband
> compression. i use multiband compression = as a=20 dynamic eq for mastering
> rather than compressing to get more = db out=20 of the piece.

> i think first insert a high pass filter = which will=20 cut below 30hz. then
> the typical waves mastering eq, = multiband comp,=20 limiter setting. you
> should be careful about maxbass. i think = you=20 should use that plugin mostly
> for subbass oriented dance, = electronica=20 tracks, it may really destroy a
> proper rock/pop = mix.

30hz.=20 Interesting. That is most definitely more appealing to me. I will give =
that a try and see how my stereo systems handle it with my = material. If I=20
can sneak some more low end frequency in and still be home stereo=20 friendly,
that would be great. Another question on this. When you = use a=20 high pass, do
you set it so that it starts to curve down at 30hz, = and then=20 tapers off
somewhere far below? Or do you set it so that by the = time it=20 tapers off to a
total cut off, it is at 30hz? I would assume the = latter,=20 if you truely want
to prevent anything below 30hz from getting = through.=20 This is similar to what
I did with 60hz, and I used a very step = curve with=20 the Q setting. So
basically there is a rapid cut off of 60hz and = below,=20 but a steep curve to
let higher frequencies in. I tried both steep = and=20 gradual curves and the
steep curve got rid of the low end issues, = but also=20 kept my tone full. Using
a gradual curve just cut more frequencies = off=20 above 60hz.

> for waves L2 you should not go below -5 db. = after that=20 it starts to
> degrade the signal. ( to my ears )

I'm = confused,=20 though. L2 is a compressor/limiter, and also dithers. So do
you = use one of=20 the Waves compressor/limitors, and then just set L2 so that
it = does not=20 compress again, but only dithers from 2/432 to 16 bit (if your =
record at=20 those bit rates)?

> set the multiband compression so that it = acts as=20 a dynamic eq. you have to
> control the peaks in frequencies = and for=20 that it is better to use
> multiband comp than a eq. i use all = the 5=20 bands of the waves multiband.
> you need to experiment with the = crossover frequencies of course. you can
> compress 4-5 dbs of = the sub=20 bass and bass range. this will give you a much
> more punchy = and clear=20 presentation of the piece.

What one are you using in Waves? = There are=20 so many. Audiotrack? Is is the
only one I see in Waves that has = both EQ=20 and compression settings.

Thanks! I like this=20 conversation.

Kris
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C8518F.A0EABA50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:15:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 619DD3BED6; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:12:22 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering In-reply-to: <10042026.1199720062575.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4782B1D6.8040306@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <10042026.1199720062575.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and > have learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks > say mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these > particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were > some really cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, > and some others in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my > headphones, but those frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer > stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. Hi Kris, I recommend that you do not mix using headphones. That is an even more phony environment than stereo speakers. Speakers pushing air to your ears is closer to how you hear a live event than headphones. Mixing and mastering are two different processes. I recommend that you do not master songs one at a time in isolation. One ought to master an album's worth of songs together. Not all at once but as a set. How you want to volume balance, equalize, and compress things is very dependent upon the song order. Concentrate only on mixing. Save mastering for last and use a pro if you can afford it. If you are having bass region problems, there could be many reasons; the system, the speakers, speaker placement, the room, and on and on ad infinitum. I'd look at what track in the song is supplying the bass that breaks up in certain systems. Work on that track's EQ and compression then remix the song. Can you mix using your portable stereo? If if sounds great there, that's how 90% of your audience will hear the song. Then compare the result through you regular studio speakers and then headphones. Listen to your mixes in as many environments as possible. Take what I and everyone else tell you with a few grains of salt and experiment on your own. Mixing *is* a black art. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:36:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA4653BED3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JrnuPRuP1yFKKNxiV0By2bvIjOsKWJ49FVaYvhKZ0f8=; b=iwWGGsn4vmuoz+w4IiX03O8j89cPso/DY3p02dBUASUAuCd+vEPqKDh6dKnkRsnwOhOfXox2oAPXY4cxH1AcCg4MGz9q/btecBC+FR5hdte4CUUCG20OwCoggBXpOc+v9kPxvHgS/6cuIBUro5884P7kgJGiBsTzgW8M97k3MJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A8l7B09diMO9Qwv2e3vZ708nS4gJkVjaoHITTTN9XhtdFDfM6DuiDg10QDmYxh3O6uzDTcxCD/NC7fMZ5BDXa0RUtKvaejAiVBvkZUM3Rb9uNx7qFP5yo+jyzMHHWUnOdMDAUWCIfbzRGKm6M0EKOykGsIAVtP6DX6qxIeTgbVI= Message-ID: <7bf141790801071536u12800a63mae291a7f99b380c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:36:45 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801062330x3194161dx644facf4a7014e93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9746_25319355.1199749005911" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <7bf141790801061641h61f46672o73f1e8ae21a09ef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801062330x3194161dx644facf4a7014e93@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3E9u6D.A.f8.PergHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:36:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9746_25319355.1199749005911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Really interesting concept Per, it happened to me also. You're right. Even with people i don't know. As you exchange opinions and experiences you somehow begin to compound an image, a visual correspondance with that particular person. Krispen, i would like to buy a Fireface 400 but it's really way out of my possibilities. I've asked for it here in Buenos Aires and it's costing usd 1700. Not on option right now. Thanks for sharing. On Jan 7, 2008 4:30 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 1:41 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > Wow Per! That was a really great response. > > > > The Pod + Interface without pre's sounds interesting. The Echo > Audiofire2 is > > around usd 300 around here so i'll keep searching. But, from what i get, > do > > you think it would be usable for live performing? Can you trust it? > > At least I trust mine Audiofire2. But I don't use it as you intend. I > use it to send audio digitally from one laptop to another one. I know > another guy around here that is also happy with his Audiofire2, but he > does remix style performances with Ablenon Live and hasn't much audio > input though the card at the same time. So the bottom line is you > can't really rely on my experiences with this card. > > > > P.s.: Ha, i've never posted a video! I've post some audio clips of > looping > > with a DL4 and an acoustic guitar. But you did, in fact, replied to it > > generously. > > That's the recording I remember! It was acoustic guitar and DL4. > Somehow the impression have become "visualized" in my memory ;-)) > > Usually when thinking about music I find it more fun to focus on the > visual aspect instead what is actually sounding in a strictly > technical meaning, as sound and music also create some sort of > "in-brain" experience very close to what you experience form simply > watching stuff. That habit sort of spilled over and pulled a trick on > me. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_9746_25319355.1199749005911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Really interesting concept Per, it happened to me also. You're right. Even with people i don't know. As you exchange opinions and experiences you somehow begin to compound an image, a visual correspondance with that particular person.

Krispen, i would like to buy a Fireface 400 but it's really way out of my possibilities. I've asked for it here in Buenos Aires and it's costing usd 1700. Not on option right now.

Thanks for sharing.

On Jan 7, 2008 4:30 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 7, 2008 1:41 AM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com > wrote:
> Wow Per! That was a really great response.
>
> The Pod + Interface without pre's sounds interesting. The Echo Audiofire2 is
> around usd 300 around here so i'll keep searching. But, from what i get, do
> you think it would be usable for live performing? Can you trust it?

At least I trust mine Audiofire2. But I don't use it as you intend. I
use it to send audio digitally from one laptop to another one. I know
another guy around here that is also happy with his Audiofire2, but he
does remix style performances with Ablenon Live and hasn't much audio
input though the card at the same time. So the bottom line is you
can't really rely on my experiences with this card.


> P.s.: Ha, i've never posted a video! I've post some audio clips of looping
> with a DL4 and an acoustic guitar. But you did, in fact, replied to it
> generously.

That's the recording I remember! It was acoustic guitar and DL4.
Somehow the impression have become "visualized" in my memory ;-))

Usually when thinking about music I find it more fun to focus on the
visual aspect instead what is actually sounding in a strictly
technical meaning, as sound and music also create some sort of
"in-brain" experience very close to what you experience form simply
watching stuff. That habit sort of spilled over and pulled a trick on
me.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_9746_25319355.1199749005911-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3DDC3BEB8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2a4501c85188$28133a50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 16:49:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Some great info on this thread...many different approaches. I used to know a sound engineer who used a cheap boombox as the final test of his mixes. After all his work with expensive reference monitors, mixing techniques, software, etc, if there was a serious problem with a frequency or level, it would show up on the cheap box. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:54:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D208C3BEC7; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2r6Nw0CmjG6GH+QJgb2hkxnWWR8oBttQ1pBNEZEajhs=; b=O7+nEuKEQSaPhiHWoHeK0dUX8hci9G0Z/OOCSIJtEgruWaUHfensjmGewRPNFCXrij1sbWx64tZbHL52xBI9kHkleJasF0Y3wdYe2tRYyhH8EWnm/qlK7RZ3FhRGT+pyCAG3oHSOj8gzBjMd3+QbtMu0bMrgNXVyr0fRQYVZaJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=H85EC+1AueOLRZYUeslNuAMlOaQfQHeYvZnAe7jJXfDG/9u2I7Tb8RzNm/FenrOacIU8xoZkdeG6IgnLvG0B1TVqHGpMYGpvpBFMBCvI84aVsxUm74YEs1ADb3W7G4Kpzj+Wnorf+g1s2YVDcdPBAXnpjatWHLbIMHDB5xC3GvQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:54:12 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering In-Reply-To: <2a4501c85188$28133a50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49735_9187328.1199750052199" References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <2a4501c85188$28133a50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <--LKN.A.moB.lurgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:54:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49735_9187328.1199750052199 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mastering for lo-fi situations has its merits, but I'm reminded of the warning message that appeared on the back of Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells": "This stereo record can not be played on old tin boxes no matter what they are fitted with. If you are in possession of such equipment please hand it into the nearest police station". On Jan 7, 2008 3:49 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I used to know a sound engineer who used a cheap boombox as the final test > of his mixes. After all his work with expensive reference monitors, mixing > techniques, software, etc, if there was a serious problem with a > frequency > or level, it would show up on the cheap box. > > Kris > > ------=_Part_49735_9187328.1199750052199 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mastering for lo-fi situations has its merits, but I'm reminded of the warning message that appeared on the back of Mike Oldfield's "Tubular Bells":

"This stereo record can not be played on old tin boxes no matter what they are fitted with. If you are in possession of such equipment please hand it into the nearest police station".


On Jan 7, 2008 3:49 PM, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:


I used to know a sound engineer who used a cheap boombox as the final test
of his mixes. After all his work with expensive reference monitors, mixing
techniques, software,  etc, if there was a serious problem with a frequency
or level, it would show up on the cheap box.

Kris


------=_Part_49735_9187328.1199750052199-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 7 23:58:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04EC83BED8; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1525 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:58:14 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=C3Z2nL1KrguSAULGm/zF706JwKsTkgP8dAByLooxoQY=; b=sFYg/HBdGqLIxyBeZNBNPmD3hht8viiTk/P5tqNQS6HjMc6pA9zsJ+EtsU6TDKRfvvC9J7pKHgYpNwp2I9qE5lj+W311dqn/w8CK0xnCydAepgYLlyXpomJfud6+EfAuCJ7BHQ8Y6UY3YcJ4lyeRFl6wE4IyUE/f2NTf0omQdao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=G0WKTyW8BZ00g4rHw/wbb1YLGzNeL0vda32QhIKmxJoonW7+nzHlri+lBTn2MEum8Xeds1Q0A5gKVmrbNv7haI7Qo1z3oi5w6bjXZHZGNdEblIgtb2gDYRCv11dCoIgVQ1ytoZ8Pz+04a8cLb/S9XpSkTvmlvhc6gTW7niNeICQ= Message-ID: <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:32:46 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) In-Reply-To: <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9740_22833367.1199748766669" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2Msp1D.A.7zB.WyrgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:58:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9740_22833367.1199748766669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Chris, Todd and Rick. What interfaces are you using? and with what software? Very best, Ariel. On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 PM, rick wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my > > > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to > me. > > > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be > > > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I > > > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned > > > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with. > > > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage? > > > Thanks > > > Chris > > Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year > straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a > live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or anything. > Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car > and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a > brand new macBook now. > > I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too. > The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan > attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between > set music also. > > > ------=_Part_9740_22833367.1199748766669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey Chris, Todd and Rick. 
What interfaces are you using? and with what software?

Very best, Ariel.


On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 PM, rick < bs@tanawana.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my
> > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to me.
> > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be
> > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I
> > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned
> > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with.
> > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage?
> > Thanks
> > Chris

 Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year
 straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a
 live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or anything.
 Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car
 and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a
 brand new macBook now.

 I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too.
 The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan
 attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between
 set music also.



------=_Part_9740_22833367.1199748766669-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 00:04:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47CAC3BED8; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId3OoDJgms= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 01:05:03 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c8518a$1e4e16f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4782B1D6.8040306@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchRgyHRDoQwpZ20TzaIc7MFTWoiXAABC+wA Resent-Message-ID: <7xBxT.A.BPC.L4rgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps one last thought about this endless topic: It certainly is one of the dominant realms of Lester Ismore (with regard to your signal chain, not with regard to your monitoring equipment, which includes the room to a great deal, unless you use cans as Krispen does). If you are mastering 2bus mixdowns from actual fine-treated multitrack recordings (i.e. different from e.g. kinda-field-recordings with a recorder with built-in stereo mic in the rehearsal room), there shouldn't be that much devices in the chain. What's almost always there for most people: * EQ * Compressor * Limiter Not necessarily in that order, there may be EQ before and/or after compression ("corrective" EQ, e.g. to get rid of those ultralow frequencies which you didn't already fix in the mix before compression, "shaping" EQ, e.g. to get a certain "sound" after compression). I personally believe that the limiter should be used as that - limiting short and small peaks (e.g. around 1dB perhaps) - and not as a superfast compressor. Btw, here's another article I found (this was the one I was initially looking for - it's from the Finalizer's manual): http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/katz_1999_secret_mastering.pdf The Finalizer imo is not as bad as its reputation. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 02:07:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C2883BECF; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c8518d$fe53ea10$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:32:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:07:52 +0000 (UTC) What you're describing is an awful lot like something I encountered on a Bowie CD in 2000... Right before I left the US to get married I got ahold of a -gasp!- CD extended single of "I'm Afraid of Americans"... The first title cut is fine, and the second, a remix with Ice-T... but the third track had this really annoying low freq sound, repeated rhythmically (making it even more annoying)... it made my woofers make a wet 'dlptdlptdlpt' (think of your lips imitating a motor boat, lowered around 10 octaves?) sound that frankly made me wonder if the track was engineered for those half-the-size-of-the-trunk subwoofers for vehicles most of the world outside LA wouldn't see until "Fast and Furious" came out... I so avoided the track that I burned the other tracks to my own CD, making a 10-minute version of the title song. While it made me wonder if the track was deliberately done that way, to rattle the car next to you.. what you're saying here balances it out for me. Maybe the track was just a victim of too much work.. Did anyone else get this disc? Sorry to interrupt with the OT musing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, 7 January, 2008 15:26 PM Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and have > learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks say > mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these particular > songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some really > cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some others > in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but those > frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car stereo, > portable stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies that > were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. And it > wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and below > 0db, and there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only had to > address troublesome resonant frequencies. So, I had to go back and > re-master the files, adding a high pass filter that rolled everything off > below 60hz. That did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the > headphones. And I'm sure there are some hi fi systems that would have > produced the original files well, but I can't expect everyone to have a > system like that. Then I started fine tuning some of the other songs, > doing a frequency spectrum analysis, watching and listening for other > resonant frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with various > parametric EQs and so on. Then it got complicated, because if I was > altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem from an instrument > in the mix, without changing the frequency of another instrument...so I go > back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour > just on one song and still not be satisfied with the results, or waver > between two different approaches. Is there a simpler approach? > > I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to > mixing/mastering their music. For example, after you remove the DC > offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? What about > compression/limiting? On average, how much of a threshold do you apply? > Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes to maximize volume, or are > you very conservative and preserve as much of the original dynamic range > as possible, sacrificing some volume. What sort of tools are you using? I > use Waves L2, and the whole sweet of others in that package. Ever use > Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that recommended it during the master > process, but I did not like the results. It altered too many other > frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent. > > Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my > original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. And, quite > honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar when it > is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea of how > a guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me. I spend a > lot of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a sound guy > butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic. As they say, "If it > ain't broke, don't fix it." > > So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as possible, > what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to ensure > they don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo system? One > source I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most systems > wouldn't be ableto represent it. I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I > would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply > any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already > altering the original dynamic range of the piece. Then, in principle, I > should not have to mess with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, unless there > are serious playback issues on common stereo systems. That is the > direction I would like to head, but I struggle with competing with other > mixes out there in the same genre that are so ridiculously loud because of > the amount of compression/limiting applied, followed by level increases. > How much of a change in dynamic range, from original source to mastered > recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example, I start with > a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is above -10db), and > master my file so that 40% of my material is above -10db, what am I > sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived increase in level? I suppose > this is where the black art comes in, because it's not as if there were a > low of physics that dictates how this should be done; rather it is based > on subjective or relative engineering practices. > > Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to be both > a sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer at > the same time. > > Kris > > > > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper, >>> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar. >>> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and >>> then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. >> Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply by two >> for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 = 20.6Hz. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 05:17:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8073BECC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 05:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U3XNtT5RG/l64x3Om2tkIk+FcbeDF/YmNu2k8pPJG0th+v+RvHv6EPLwgTNZKlTFwCwojxjp0swF1qH06Xbnf03skZV0ENJG4ZB7ifvRFOLtshq4qFgROiyO5xdzbZLXh5knOuD5wjqDJ6OOMr88T/J+DlhL3OXSf8rl45YCOx8=; X-YMail-OSG: 2kmlebsVM1kfJeYXIP.i4i.XxJhEcfaJ7gGgGPuUE1nhOJ.mx0uHEdrxM5YFzoJy984VgPmwRLCeTIsq5A7FFaE3_EjJwoS8EZZ.Ko0.67xdAdI8hWpyjYwy0rkyBg-- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4782B1D6.8040306@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <14279.87715.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 05:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang, any good audio books on this subject you can recomend? id like to get a deeper understanding on this! cheers Luis --- Bill Fox wrote: > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing > lately on a project and > > have learned a lot of new methods and techniques. > I've heard folks > > say mastering and mixing is a black art, now I > know why. In these > > particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my > headphones. There were > > some really cool and deep things going on in the > 44hz range and below, > > and some others in the 62hz range. It all sounded > great through my > > headphones, but those frequencies were reeking > havoc on my consumer > > stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. > > Hi Kris, > > I recommend that you do not mix using headphones. > That is an even more > phony environment than stereo speakers. Speakers > pushing air to your > ears is closer to how you hear a live event than > headphones. > > Mixing and mastering are two different processes. I > recommend that you > do not master songs one at a time in isolation. One > ought to master an > album's worth of songs together. Not all at once > but as a set. How you > want to volume balance, equalize, and compress > things is very dependent > upon the song order. Concentrate only on mixing. > Save mastering for > last and use a pro if you can afford it. > > If you are having bass region problems, there could > be many reasons; the > system, the speakers, speaker placement, the room, > and on and on ad > infinitum. I'd look at what track in the song is > supplying the bass > that breaks up in certain systems. Work on that > track's EQ and > compression then remix the song. Can you mix using > your portable > stereo? If if sounds great there, that's how 90% of > your audience will > hear the song. Then compare the result through you > regular studio > speakers and then headphones. Listen to your mixes > in as many > environments as possible. > > Take what I and everyone else tell you with a few > grains of salt and > experiment on your own. Mixing *is* a black art. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 06:12:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72E923BED9; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vjOgy655mvfwnghKN3EyOtusmA3sQtZQ8AeOc0bmaRs=; b=x01t4iyO2Yb9oWc1dz8sOM77qf26DZPZeCIBv78Y5M6yJoV0yaLIDW7R3epyAeQVqIDwDRv+fyTZEr8QVNJ599PUSIwwZQ8vr2Zjlhed8ueieV/3t2yu5KljqDN0VNCvPqyU2EC6kJdokSltTsxDqAyVuyMD4FE/Ll8TlJrLrxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QdjmZq+xC2tg5sdTXmTHcRFkNecPi8cdcO2fdnId50L2hnyiDrghNIA1hDhLH5ZerrThX06pn4PiQmzDy9O7FCE4mxWILF3hkLzu5dZJsSu4f/khpal2X/c3d33ZuM8+btZ36f9C7vlOV0hEGi8rEH5Ka7XJjZ+AguqPALnMkB0= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801072212t26360747od44ee793ab53237d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:12:32 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EEE PC for looping ? In-Reply-To: <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18988_2587617.1199772752286" References: <90C57939-0B85-4111-B235-090D812088C0@free.fr> <70f68b660801071139k1ff3b36aw28dd3278312ca0fe@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:12:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18988_2587617.1199772752286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Why should you only have one or the other? Why not both! OS X ON ASUS EEE PC Har! -Miles On Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM, holotone@gmail.com wrote: > I've had great luck with my Eee running Xubuntu and SooperLooper - Oddly > enough, it's even great with ZynAddSubFX for synthesizing! > > ~holotone > > > On 1/7/08, David Steinberg wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux > > out of the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have > > succeeded in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really > > legal...). It has 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M > > 900 MHz processor, 4 GB of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card > > slot. And it's very small and weighs about 900 grams. > > > > http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=24&l2=0&l3=0&l4=0&model=1907&modelmenu=1 > > > > > > So, would looping software run well on this device ? > > I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it exists for both Linux and > > OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or something else). > > > > There's just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for > > simple looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more > > in/outs if the machine could handle it. > > > > If it was possible to have Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not > > too processor-heavy) running ok on this, it could be a very cool solution > > for a portable looping setup, methinks... > > > > Any ideas about this ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. > > Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" > > > > > > > > > -- > ~holotone > http://holotone.net/ -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_18988_2587617.1199772752286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Why should you only have one or the other? Why not both!

Har!
-Miles

On Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM, holotone@gmail.com <holotone@gmail.com> wrote:
I've had great luck with my Eee running Xubuntu and SooperLooper - Oddly enough, it's even great with ZynAddSubFX for synthesizing!

~holotone


On 1/7/08, David Steinberg <waveform@free.fr> wrote:
Hi all,

The Asus EEE PC seems to be a nice little computer, and it runs linux out of the box (you can also install XP and I've read that people have succeeded in installing OS X Tiger on it, though this is not really legal...). It has 512 MB of ram (upgradable to 2 GB it seems), a Celeron M 900 MHz processor, 4 GB of solid state disk (flash memory) and a SD card slot. And it's very small and weighs about 900 grams.


So, would looping software run well on this device ?
I was thinking mainly about SooperLooper as it exists for both Linux and OSX, but Mobius/XP could be nice too (or something else).

There's just a mic in and an headphone out, but this should be ok for simple looping, and an USB audio interface could be connected for more in/outs if the machine could handle it.

If it was possible to have Sooperlooper/Mobius and a few plugins (not too processor-heavy) running ok on this, it could be a very cool solution for a portable looping setup, methinks...

Any ideas about this ?

Thanks,
</daviD>

"Simulating the true styles and making carefully.
 Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !"




--
~holotone
http://holotone.net/



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---Miles Ward
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In-Reply-To: <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19012_18476353.1199773061393" References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:17:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19012_18476353.1199773061393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, BT's music is a constant inspiration for me, but I'm not him, so who knows how he does it. I met him at a live performance of this album, and he had some really heavy things to say technically about production on this album, including the first song being entirely written in csound (as in no samples, no recorded instruments, no imported wave forms, nothing, just code) and having a small dev team working building plug in libraries for him that did some of the more complicated delay/stutter processing which he used to do by hand, sample accurate to 44.1khz cd clock. EEK.Cool guy. -Miles On Jan 4, 2008 7:16 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > Great music and surround effects, DVD is also visually stunning. > > Btw, regarding ratios, to achieve this, are you using one delay , > say 1sec in series or parallel with another delay of 1.6sec or 0.6sec? > is that the idea? > > > > -Q > > > > *From:* miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? > > > > Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe? It'll > melt your face! > > Listen > > > > That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers > think! > > -Miles > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC wrote: > > Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything > (frequencies, > rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci > sequence and the Golden Ratio. > You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the > page. > http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm > Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely > scratched the surface of the possibilities. > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > Via Sinistrae > www.viasinistrae.com > http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ > Other Sites > http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ > http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ > http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Baldwin" < coyotelk@optonline.net> > To: ; > < Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM > Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? > > > > Hi Crew- > > A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and > > was > > delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this > realm > > and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays? > > > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > www.thecoyote.org > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm > > > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19012_18476353.1199773061393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, BT's music is a constant inspiration for me, but I'm not him, so who knows how he does it.  I met him at a live performance of this album, and he had some really heavy things to say technically about production on this album, including the first song being entirely written in csound (as in no samples, no recorded instruments, no imported wave forms, nothing, just code) and having a small dev team working building plug in libraries for him that did some of the more complicated delay/stutter processing which he used to do by hand, sample accurate to 44.1khz cd clock.  EEK.
Cool guy.
-Miles

On Jan 4, 2008 7:16 AM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:

Great music and surround effects,  DVD is also visually stunning.

Btw,   regarding ratios,    to achieve this,  are you using one delay , say 1sec in series or parallel with another delay of 1.6sec or  0.6sec?   is that the idea?

 

-Q

 

From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?

 

Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe?  It'll melt your face!

 

That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers think!

-Miles

 

 

On Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net> wrote:

Several years ago, I created a CD trying to derive everything (frequencies,
rhythms, delays, loops, harmonies, melodies, etc.) from the Fibonacci
sequence and the Golden Ratio.
You can check it out with the link below. There is a short sample on the
page.
http://www.deconstructionist.com/blacknote/fibo.htm
Even through there were so many pieces (15), it still felt like I barely
scratched the surface of the possibilities.

JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com
Via Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
Other Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/
http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Baldwin" < coyotelk@optonline.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>;
< Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone?


> Hi Crew-
>     A few days ago I set up two delays in a Golden Ratio (1.618 : 1) and
was
> delighted with the resulting sound. Anyone else done any work in this
realm
> and/or come up with cool ratios for loops and delays?
>
> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
> www.thecoyote.org
> coyotelk@optonline.net
>
> "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."
> - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
>




--
---Miles Ward




--
---Miles Ward
------=_Part_19012_18476353.1199773061393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 06:20:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F5DF3BEDA; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2a9c01c851be$8e2b7d30$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <14279.87715.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:20:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:20:28 +0000 (UTC) ditto that question! I wonder if any well known engineers have published any books that have some tips and tricks, best practices, methods, etc. All I have is the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Manual, which has some goodies in it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hey gang, > any good audio books on this subject you can recomend? > id like to get a deeper understanding on this! > cheers > Luis > > > --- Bill Fox wrote: > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing >> lately on a project and >> > have learned a lot of new methods and techniques. >> I've heard folks >> > say mastering and mixing is a black art, now I >> know why. In these >> > particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my >> headphones. There were >> > some really cool and deep things going on in the >> 44hz range and below, >> > and some others in the 62hz range. It all sounded >> great through my >> > headphones, but those frequencies were reeking >> havoc on my consumer >> > stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. >> >> Hi Kris, >> >> I recommend that you do not mix using headphones. >> That is an even more >> phony environment than stereo speakers. Speakers >> pushing air to your >> ears is closer to how you hear a live event than >> headphones. >> >> Mixing and mastering are two different processes. I >> recommend that you >> do not master songs one at a time in isolation. One >> ought to master an >> album's worth of songs together. Not all at once >> but as a set. How you >> want to volume balance, equalize, and compress >> things is very dependent >> upon the song order. Concentrate only on mixing. >> Save mastering for >> last and use a pro if you can afford it. >> >> If you are having bass region problems, there could >> be many reasons; the >> system, the speakers, speaker placement, the room, >> and on and on ad >> infinitum. I'd look at what track in the song is >> supplying the bass >> that breaks up in certain systems. Work on that >> track's EQ and >> compression then remix the song. Can you mix using >> your portable >> stereo? If if sounds great there, that's how 90% of >> your audience will >> hear the song. Then compare the result through you >> regular studio >> speakers and then headphones. Listen to your mixes >> in as many >> environments as possible. >> >> Take what I and everyone else tell you with a few >> grains of salt and >> experiment on your own. Mixing *is* a black art. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 06:20:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CE73BEF1; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KrOQqi18F5FwX8AwKAVERxQZ6BSEIgSe+ZUGT2p0cMk=; b=a11ZTIximiG2SzU1om7z6IZ4LblxQyxn3xx5/gxOJ7qqDmkwVWuAgA95jZ2Om3C/iV03WNmj/PH8TBboI5ttmiLXS0e04O1iQPZhMP21ZjflDp81uc3vkl+YigLRC5D/1ySBZ0ICddvvZKx1c/P83YkdjoWOpcHr6JdgIaeNRR0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Th4NOMqtjYYvGXUnP1Y0aEOU7X/VKyRH679Co72AxDi3+pkhqxkNgwHvVBn8QwbK9Vja9lXBlbMn8ufUFQ6JTnEY05CG1i5rcQk6ourAMAT9qfS0PuHZbtoRJJMPqIqSEqGm/+yloTfyClreVTsk1pp7k4VpTMIQxy/mA+KosnM= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801072220j65243b22ic70bb3175b6e611@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:20:48 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering In-Reply-To: <002f01c8518d$fe53ea10$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19023_21927169.1199773248095" References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002f01c8518d$fe53ea10$0201a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:20:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19023_21927169.1199773248095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Was that version of I'm Afraid of Americans" done with Nine Inch Nails artist Trent Reznor? I think I have that one, and it has serious low end, but nothing that appeared to damage or distort my equipment... are you playing with tin cans stephen? ;) On Jan 7, 2008 4:32 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > What you're describing is an awful lot like something I encountered on a > Bowie CD in 2000... Right before I left the US to get married I got ahold > of > a -gasp!- CD extended single of "I'm Afraid of Americans"... The first > title > cut is fine, and the second, a remix with Ice-T... but the third track had > this really annoying low freq sound, repeated rhythmically (making it even > more annoying)... it made my woofers make a wet 'dlptdlptdlpt' (think of > your lips imitating a motor boat, lowered around 10 octaves?) sound that > frankly made me wonder if the track was engineered for those > half-the-size-of-the-trunk subwoofers for vehicles most of the world > outside > LA wouldn't see until "Fast and Furious" came out... I so avoided the > track > that I burned the other tracks to my own CD, making a 10-minute version of > the title song. > > While it made me wonder if the track was deliberately done that way, to > rattle the car next to you.. what you're saying here balances it out for > me. > Maybe the track was just a victim of too much work.. Did anyone else get > this disc? > > Sorry to interrupt with the OT musing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Monday, 7 January, 2008 15:26 PM > Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering > > > > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and > have > > learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks say > > mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these particular > > songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some really > > cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some > others > > in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but those > > frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car > stereo, > > portable stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies > that > > were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. And > it > > wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and below > > 0db, and there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only had > to > > address troublesome resonant frequencies. So, I had to go back and > > re-master the files, adding a high pass filter that rolled everything > off > > below 60hz. That did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the > > headphones. And I'm sure there are some hi fi systems that would have > > produced the original files well, but I can't expect everyone to have a > > system like that. Then I started fine tuning some of the other songs, > > doing a frequency spectrum analysis, watching and listening for other > > resonant frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with > various > > parametric EQs and so on. Then it got complicated, because if I was > > altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem from an > instrument > > in the mix, without changing the frequency of another instrument...so I > go > > back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour > > just on one song and still not be satisfied with the results, or waver > > between two different approaches. Is there a simpler approach? > > > > I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to > > mixing/mastering their music. For example, after you remove the DC > > offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? What about > > compression/limiting? On average, how much of a threshold do you apply? > > Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes to maximize volume, or > are > > you very conservative and preserve as much of the original dynamic range > > as possible, sacrificing some volume. What sort of tools are you using? > I > > use Waves L2, and the whole sweet of others in that package. Ever use > > Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that recommended it during the > master > > process, but I did not like the results. It altered too many other > > frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent. > > > > Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my > > original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. And, quite > > honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar when > it > > is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea of > how > > a guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me. I spend a > > lot of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a sound guy > > butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic. As they say, "If it > > ain't broke, don't fix it." > > > > So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as > possible, > > what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to ensure > > they don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo system? > One > > source I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most systems > > wouldn't be ableto represent it. I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, > I > > would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply > > any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already > > altering the original dynamic range of the piece. Then, in principle, I > > should not have to mess with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, unless > there > > are serious playback issues on common stereo systems. That is the > > direction I would like to head, but I struggle with competing with other > > mixes out there in the same genre that are so ridiculously loud because > of > > the amount of compression/limiting applied, followed by level increases. > > How much of a change in dynamic range, from original source to mastered > > recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example, I start > with > > a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is above -10db), and > > master my file so that 40% of my material is above -10db, what am I > > sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived increase in level? I suppose > > this is where the black art comes in, because it's not as if there were > a > > low of physics that dictates how this should be done; rather it is based > > on subjective or relative engineering practices. > > > > Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to be > both > > a sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer > at > > the same time. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max > (looper, > >>> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my > guitar. > >>> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and > >>> then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. > >> Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply by two > >> for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 = 20.6Hz. You're definitely into > >> the subwoofer's range. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Bill > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19023_21927169.1199773248095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Was that version of I'm Afraid of Americans" done with Nine Inch Nails artist Trent Reznor?  I think I have that one, and it has serious low end, but nothing that appeared to damage or distort my equipment... are you playing with tin cans stephen? ;)

On Jan 7, 2008 4:32 PM, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
What you're describing is an awful lot like something I encountered on a
Bowie CD in 2000... Right before I left the US to get married I got ahold of
a -gasp!- CD extended single of "I'm Afraid of Americans"... The first title
cut is fine, and the second, a remix with Ice-T... but the third track had
this really annoying low freq sound, repeated rhythmically (making it even
more annoying)... it made my woofers make a wet 'dlptdlptdlpt' (think of
your lips imitating a motor boat, lowered around 10 octaves?) sound that
frankly made me wonder if the track was engineered for those
half-the-size-of-the-trunk subwoofers for vehicles most of the world outside
LA wouldn't see until "Fast and Furious" came out... I so avoided the track
that I burned the other tracks to my own CD, making a 10-minute version of
the title song.

While it made me wonder if the track was deliberately done that way, to
rattle the car next to you.. what you're saying here balances it out for me.
Maybe the track was just a victim of too much work.. Did anyone else get
this disc?

Sorry to interrupt with the OT musing.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, 7 January, 2008 15:26 PM
Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering


> I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project and have
> learned a lot of new methods and techniques.  I've heard folks say
> mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these particular
> songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some really
> cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and some others
> in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but those
> frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car stereo,
> portable stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies that
> were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion.  And it
> wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and below
> 0db, and there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only had to
> address troublesome resonant frequencies.  So, I had to go back and
> re-master the files, adding a high pass filter that rolled everything off
> below 60hz. That did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the
> headphones. And I'm sure there are some hi fi systems that would have
> produced the original files well, but I can't expect everyone to have a
> system like that.  Then I started fine tuning some of the other songs,
> doing a frequency spectrum analysis, watching and listening for other
> resonant frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with various
> parametric EQs and so on.  Then it got complicated, because if I was
> altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem from an instrument
> in the mix, without changing the frequency of another instrument...so I go
> back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and hour
> just on one song and still not be satisfied with the results, or waver
> between two different approaches.   Is there a simpler approach?
>
> I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to
> mixing/mastering their music.  For example, after you remove the DC
> offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? What about
> compression/limiting?  On average, how much of a threshold do you apply?
> Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes to maximize volume, or are
> you very conservative and preserve as much of the original dynamic range
> as possible, sacrificing some volume. What sort of tools are you using? I
> use Waves L2, and the whole sweet of others in that package.  Ever use
> Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that recommended it during the master
> process, but I did not like the results. It altered too many other
> frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent.
>
> Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my
> original dynamic range and frequency character as possible.  And, quite
> honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar when it
> is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea of how
> a guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me.  I spend a
> lot of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a sound guy
> butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic.  As they say, "If it
> ain't broke, don't fix it."
>
> So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as possible,
> what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to ensure
> they don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo system?  One
> source I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most systems
> wouldn't be ableto represent it.  I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I
> would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not apply
> any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are already
> altering the original dynamic range of the piece. Then, in principle, I
> should not have to mess with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, unless there
> are serious playback issues on common stereo systems. That is the
> direction I would like to head, but I struggle with competing with other
> mixes out there in the same genre that are so ridiculously loud because of
> the amount of compression/limiting applied, followed by level increases.
> How much of a change in dynamic range, from original source to mastered
> recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example,  I start with
> a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is above -10db), and
> master my file so that 40% of my material is above -10db, what am I
> sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived increase in level? I suppose
> this is where the black art comes in, because it's not as if there were a
> low of physics that dictates how this should be done; rather it is based
> on subjective or relative engineering practices.
>
> Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to be both
> a sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer at
> the same time.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>>> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max (looper,
>>> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my guitar.
>>> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), and
>>> then apply a two octave drop.  I'm not sure what that would be.
>> Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop.  (Multiply by two
>> for every octave you raise.)  82.4/4 = 20.6Hz.  You're definitely into
>> the subwoofer's range.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
>
>
>
>




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---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19023_21927169.1199773248095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 06:53:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ACAB3BEF8; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018c01c851c3$2bb64fe0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:53:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3eKm0C.A.aiD.c3xgHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 06:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Ariel asked what Todd, Kris and I are using, laptop wise for looping. I am assuming you were referring to me, Ariel. If not, please take the following with a grain of salt. The answer is that I had fully intended to get into a laptop solution this year but I have been very, very happy with the Looperlative and with a new solution using a DTar 2 channel microphone preamp that allows me eliminate the weight of a mixer for my big tour destined for later this year, so I've changed my mind. One salient reason was that I have a ton of work to book this tour but have to leave by the start of May so I just didn't think I"d have time for the learning curve of changing paradigms. If, however, I was to make a switch, I would go with one of two setups: 1) Running Plogue Bidule with several instances of Mobius and several VST effects, all controlled by an RME sound card interface (the 400, I believe was in my price range) with either an FCB 1010 midi floor controller or, if I could afford it, a Gordius midi floor controller (which has a consdierably smaller stage footprint----the FCB being uncomfortably large for my tastes. orrrrrrrr. 2) Max/MSP using a variation of the incredibly cool looping system that Jeff Kaiser has innovated with that software (using the same interface and controllers) Though I resent the hell out of what I consder to be price gouging on the part of APPLE for their MacBook Pros (charging $800 extra just so you can get a decent video card is shameful imho) I think I would invest in one because you can do all of your internet connections with no fear of viruses and spyware on the Mac OSX side of the computer and then have your choice of musical software on either the WINDOWS XP side or the Mac OSX side of the computer. In this way it would be a perfect solution for travelling (where you need to be connected to the internet but you don't want your musical computer software to be compromised by all the people who hate Bill Gates with a passion). All said and done, though........................I'm no expert. Ask Kris Hartung and Jeff Kaiser.............they know the poop. Good luck and please think about coming to Y2k8 as our very first Argentinan looper, mi amigo!!!!! Happy New Years, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 07:43:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4293BEFA; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vk7XRZAVvSgbUJRKRcUPPOB0QsrFWS+DYXI+lJR5Rnk=; b=tRntOx0ai4yO2re3tGM4w4LGmxkgHpKL7uOiKW1bidOMlmIDF2oS+UWzq+8PbkULOt5pq3RDxe4/PlPaQhZeL2ry8Ez3URBEGjtYWGQugm0KBk6U38QMxNG+joaOeC+Pigf+QsRFM/WRFVl7CDPnGpuOsPlSJt5yNeAyl8MrrTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eLOnIFgpbRQzZI3iyQRM3npQ4LQn3f57iO6t8nzJGnNlPgPZVd8ItmFeGWQkvJ6R8LOLhvZY+vq/xiuyv+NPSLaNKW/jVZo6rEgT4os5p9CSdhlFFTp4yx7gyln2EN0Lc5HXerC5ShTwlbyjGzLz//v7pp5AAcVlsrAMhFYMZ+M= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801072343p2f1eaf44r9e8652c50329e6ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:43:20 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0801072217r11346763r69a74ad6cfaf6ae0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> <4cf76a0b0801072217r11346763r69a74ad6cfaf6ae0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0qrz4.A.oHF.ZmygHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:43:21 +0000 (UTC) > > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? > > > > > > Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe? It'll > melt your face! > > > > That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers > think! > > > > -Miles I've had that album since its release. I find it interesting listening even though I don't like the overall sound of his treatments. These stuttering effects and computer based distortion just sound bad to me - like in "too computer squashed and then partly rescued by EQ but still not correctly mended". Another thing that makes it a bit hard to digest is that it is so obvious that the source audio (the performing symphony orchestra) wasn't created for this later treatments. In essence it turns out as just another "case of sampling" as when someone grabs something and throws it into an effect treatment. Maybe BT's point with making that album was to put modern cut-up techniques on the line? I don't know. The lacking part is in the composition, I guess. But I still find it interesting listening - not just my piece of cake for today. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 07:54:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8DE3BEFF; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CYE8XUyRZsOCOG+gezrkyGp8jMCeeecjsJP+Qj4gPW8=; b=jMxT3bOQUSHNz3+8AsH6/h5Hq0lGiUPoHAC++EUH+UthNMUMT2m4V8wg7gMJyAB4HKkicf0IS5JuQoxlFHI6jB93u7IToDJ6kK/Von48wHivUtVesIrFqe4+PbL63cl77oNdHtWP/BZGvvKzS02cIVKl+SIo3yVWW1z1XL+ckLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ze41S4MMymm7GpgJg7qbJD3yyF9kojafYrbck5r/7oiitnIzhlRkKwFNiBhG327XMJnBzr8MZ+GHjIc7rHQ6sZmUvKMmPodQqnsuoCocqYpJqmH25n8lr39wbchTpqChGxTmWn5SI+rxohzLbcxVfzzElCVlcZNmDnOal4fq1Xg= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801072354gb2ce9a3w1d7b3f32ab9f9c9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:54:08 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801072343p2f1eaf44r9e8652c50329e6ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19241_16877253.1199778848313" References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> <4cf76a0b0801072217r11346763r69a74ad6cfaf6ae0@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801072343p2f1eaf44r9e8652c50329e6ba@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:54:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19241_16877253.1199778848313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Funny, I met several of the members of the Seattle Symphony who participated in the recording sessions for the source material in the work. BT composed for and directed the 110 piece orchestra, and definitely had the treatments in mind during the composition, his near neurotic methodical approach boggles the mind. Interested: are you listening to the 5.1 mix? it's much more bettah! The thing that freaks me out about the stuttered rhythms is that they're not fabricated, not milisecond delay based. They're all note values.. There's rain in the third piece, each drop of rain was isolated, and time corrected to 256th notes, I watched him do a few on a projector. It's mind numbing detail, but for whatever reason it gets his rocks off, and that means it loops perfectly... so the twittery noises, they're all "real" notes, which is just nuts to me ;) What things have you listened to lately that totally were your piece of cake? I'd love to hear! -Miles On Jan 7, 2008 11:43 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > From: miles ward [mailto:miles932@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? > > > > > > > > > Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe? > It'll > > melt your face! > > > > > > That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other > loopers > > think! > > > > > > -Miles > > I've had that album since its release. I find it interesting listening > even though I don't like the overall sound of his treatments. These > stuttering effects and computer based distortion just sound bad to me > - like in "too computer squashed and then partly rescued by EQ but > still not correctly mended". Another thing that makes it a bit hard to > digest is that it is so obvious that the source audio (the performing > symphony orchestra) wasn't created for this later treatments. In > essence it turns out as just another "case of sampling" as when > someone grabs something and throws it into an effect treatment. Maybe > BT's point with making that album was to put modern cut-up techniques > on the line? I don't know. The lacking part is in the composition, I > guess. But I still find it interesting listening - not just my piece > of cake for today. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19241_16877253.1199778848313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Funny, I met several of the members of the Seattle Symphony who participated in the recording sessions for the source material in the work.  BT composed for and directed the 110 piece orchestra, and definitely had the treatments in mind during the composition, his near neurotic methodical approach boggles the mind.  Interested: are you listening to the 5.1 mix? it's much more bettah!  The thing that freaks me out about the stuttered rhythms is that they're not fabricated, not milisecond delay based.  They're all note values..  There's rain in the third piece, each drop of rain was isolated, and time corrected to 256th notes, I watched him do a few on a projector.  It's mind numbing detail, but for whatever reason it gets his rocks off, and that means it loops perfectly...  so the twittery noises, they're all "real" notes, which is just nuts to me ;)

What things have you listened to lately that totally were your piece of cake? I'd love to hear!
-Miles

On Jan 7, 2008 11:43 PM, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: miles ward [mailto: miles932@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:46 AM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?
> >
> >
> > Have you heard BT's song 1.618 from his album This Binary Universe?  It'll
> melt your face!
> >
> > That whole album is an amazing work, i'd love to know what other loopers
> think!
> >
> > -Miles

I've had that album since its release. I find it interesting listening
even though I don't like the overall sound  of his treatments. These
stuttering effects and computer based distortion just sound bad to me
- like in "too computer squashed and then partly rescued by EQ but
still not correctly mended". Another thing that makes it a bit hard to
digest is that it is so obvious that the source audio (the performing
symphony orchestra) wasn't created for this later treatments. In
essence it turns out as just another "case of sampling" as when
someone grabs something and throws it into an effect treatment. Maybe
BT's point with making that album was to put modern cut-up techniques
on the line? I don't know. The lacking part is in the composition, I
guess. But I still find it interesting listening - not just my piece
of cake for today.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)




--
---Miles Ward
------=_Part_19241_16877253.1199778848313-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 08:41:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D5AB3BEF9; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=dQCTqK7lewSisd0Q3Ef2y9Tj7OZkBPV3DlrT8gVQ6aw=; b=Nbq8d0PrXdYmcjuundHXxgJczZsdUiv9/brM0sc5lc0LTNa8AvDQOppqSCuTzhItw1Y0wPB7PLK8vyOc36KS6g4TEcWa9E8cPRgvoD9FvpWURclcW8LdaGhF2nvrJmCXNrsGhUiBFQCX50zhbFdxDNDyJxSFtGhsQ1D2H9Ej/Ek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lCJAJcdodPSbur0HCuYix+o0pJETmIG+MxC5skjeyDyNWZ4Qg/NzLP++5EhaAr+e+3sLDaal/qi+vly+C8rNV2MejQo8+i/EdXpAfnTqEmKft55uNccJdj2qdR+pQQy4fvrSwCQd4jwH0bR2C6hT+UTBXizG2UoRu6OoVKHL8cE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:41:15 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:41:17 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: What things have you listened to lately that totally were your piece of > cake? I'd love to hear! > -Miles >From the "Recently Played Songs" list: The Orb: "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the Centre of the Ultraworld" BT: "See You On the Other Side" BT: 1.618 Arve Henriksen: "Chiaro" (Chiaroscuro) Sheila Chandra: "Drone Fide" (eep2) Kin Tali: "Dragon Festival" (Chinese, from album "East Asia Travelogue") Ltj Bukem: "Horizons" (Album "Some Blue Notes Of Drum`n`bass") Autechre: "Xylin Room" (Draft 7.30) Akira Yamaoka: "Silent Circus"(Silent Hill 4 -The Room- Original Soundtracks) Mars Volta: "Cavalettas" (The Bedlam in Goliath) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 09:06:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F249B3BEF5; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9V8wu4LV/ifkcyV7/sTqaRnzlCvR/rG7WEd2O+5cS44=; b=Z7kCwGHJsHRhIhCQYSTnNDGDNIlV+mqqVzSNK7wL+p3yyJx3VClHkm5bD1Z+N+lFM5YyBbAffwiJsZqGZBVoKCKWf3c/Jutns/CPSZ/BMKOnoaXUJPW9ZdiAJWgpXxZnx/BBgWBM1frcfTPQPbPj8DZgSY6V6N3qyQ4QSSQhxtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=resh6Mvjc0utr0bjX2IA/7LdxAV0AHKRXNEugbWhPW2SQwlaUFlD+EtQF/r+/el7WNX7XuggUVctiGQRj4rROoxfoSnCbfAR6lleX8AAFuuZTNP13fHwGiFJDd04/87fsiTk3rMojKIIFZB77eUpVKteSK+zQZP7Z3QRMu9Xpdo= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801080106m1274bb7o725b028f10a3887c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 01:06:34 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19500_1443731.1199783194086" References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:06:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19500_1443731.1199783194086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sweet! George Clinton and the Parliment Funkadelic - Atomic Dog Medeski, Martin & Wood - end Maceo Parker - In Time Dave Matthews Band - Stand Up (For It) Radiohead - Pyramid Song Tool - Lateralus Stevie Wonder - You Haven't Done Nothin' Jamiroquai - Feels Just Like It Should Outkast - Happy Valentine's Day Cake - World of Two Prince - Erotic City Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Pt.1 Joydrop - All Too Well Jamie Lidell - When I Come Back Around On Jan 8, 2008 12:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: > What things have you listened to lately that totally were your piece of > > cake? I'd love to hear! > > -Miles > > > From the "Recently Played Songs" list: > > The Orb: "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the > Centre of the Ultraworld" > BT: "See You On the Other Side" > BT: 1.618 > Arve Henriksen: "Chiaro" (Chiaroscuro) > Sheila Chandra: "Drone Fide" (eep2) > Kin Tali: "Dragon Festival" (Chinese, from album "East Asia Travelogue") > Ltj Bukem: "Horizons" (Album "Some Blue Notes Of Drum`n`bass") > Autechre: "Xylin Room" (Draft 7.30) > Akira Yamaoka: "Silent Circus"(Silent Hill 4 -The Room- Original > Soundtracks) > Mars Volta: "Cavalettas" (The Bedlam in Goliath) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19500_1443731.1199783194086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sweet!  

George Clinton and the Parliment Funkadelic - Atomic Dog
Medeski, Martin & Wood - end
Maceo Parker - In Time
Dave Matthews Band - Stand Up (For It)
Radiohead - Pyramid Song
Tool - Lateralus
Stevie Wonder - You Haven't Done Nothin'
Jamiroquai - Feels Just Like It Should
Outkast - Happy Valentine's Day
Cake - World of Two
Prince - Erotic City
Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Pt.1
Joydrop - All Too Well
Jamie Lidell - When I Come Back Around

On Jan 8, 2008 12:41 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward < miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
What things have you listened to lately that totally were your piece of
> cake? I'd love to hear!
> -Miles


From the "Recently Played Songs" list:

The Orb: "A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the
Centre of the Ultraworld"
BT: "See You On the Other Side"
BT: 1.618
Arve Henriksen: "Chiaro" (Chiaroscuro)
Sheila Chandra: "Drone Fide" (eep2)
Kin Tali: "Dragon Festival" (Chinese, from album "East Asia Travelogue")
Ltj Bukem: "Horizons" (Album "Some Blue Notes Of Drum`n`bass")
Autechre: "Xylin Room" (Draft 7.30)
Akira Yamaoka: "Silent Circus"(Silent Hill 4 -The Room- Original Soundtracks)
Mars Volta: "Cavalettas" (The Bedlam in Goliath)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)




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---Miles Ward
------=_Part_19500_1443731.1199783194086-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 09:34:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86C463BEEA; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1r/ScetEJWQ/tQS/06JgPzzZPsl02bmHmcvv0lvdVys=; b=u9tQRRuoIXNVtOEQOhk/rJEBz1JPzxlIJjhCxW+XJjm0bHq+lD0AOcOW1vcIr2m/Wfw2VxvJlg/T8/pshNkROWl1RAf1G0OAKBP3evQYtFkwKUu/SkBK7XJQAMsQlBd9fb+c22b+7L6lXGfHT56gF9cNgWIPtyp3uilCtjkyIIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=op5uazHLz3IP4XbfWWAXQvwCTsfMAWvXgg2yJOK4NeoweBo/2D3++qPCCHC41o+vDqmqeRLDT1osdElefl5CfNGaeb4zEB6/tF+mdJXgfSu/tiNdFrYItTzFjXg+F11OEXsrH20P2hxaY4+vzPlGw1NsY+isDsDRM4X8zTHdpc4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801080134t412be1feqaa6af5afef288587@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:34:24 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0801072354gb2ce9a3w1d7b3f32ab9f9c9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> <4cf76a0b0801072217r11346763r69a74ad6cfaf6ae0@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801072343p2f1eaf44r9e8652c50329e6ba@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0801072354gb2ce9a3w1d7b3f32ab9f9c9a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:34:25 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: > Funny, I met several of the members of the Seattle Symphony who participated > in the recording sessions for the source material in the work. BT composed > for and directed the 110 piece orchestra, and definitely had the treatments > in mind during the composition, his near neurotic methodical approach > boggles the mind. Interested: are you listening to the 5.1 mix? it's much > more bettah! The thing that freaks me out about the stuttered rhythms is > that they're not fabricated, not milisecond delay based. They're all note > values.. There's rain in the third piece, each drop of rain was isolated, > and time corrected to 256th notes, I watched him do a few on a projector. > It's mind numbing detail, but for whatever reason it gets his rocks off, and > that means it loops perfectly... so the twittery noises, they're all "real" > notes, which is just nuts to me ;) That's interesting background information. Thanks for sharing it! I hope you understand that I wasn't talking about the real story of how BT created that album, but rather what it sounds like to me when listening. I wrote it because you initiated a discussion on what we loopers think about BT's music, and I just came to think about some more interesting aspects of him: BT is so skilled in everything he does that any comment on his different productions tends to say more about your own taste than about BT. What I think I have learned the most from BT is not music but rather his ideas and techniques on micro editing audio when producing recorded music. Especially his early work with ReCycle where he used a sample editor on audio files to set different filtering characters over very short slices of audio. That gave a completely new and punchy sound in pop music and I found that very inspiring although I wasn't a fan to that particular musical style. It's rather his way of zooming in on details and carrying out tweaking on the micro level to achieve a certain change in expression on the more general level of the complete piece that inspires me. It's indeed a challenge to apply those techniques to both real-time music making and production work! Applying it on the compositional level is way over my horizon. Maybe even over BT's but he deserves all the respect for trying. I'd love to check out the surround version BTW, can imagine it all makes more sense that way. I have a second pair of monitors here but I don't have time or space for keeping all four satellites constantly mounted for surround. I don't own a 5.1 DVD player either so the only time I listen to surround music is when I produce it. Last time that happened my living room looked like a construction area with ladders holding gaffa taped Genelec's in surround listening position. Then I burn the mixes do DVD-r and run over to a friend that has home theatre system to check it out in an end user listening situation. What you're stating about BT's stuttering is also interesting. I tend to like those tricks much better when they are built on musical values as opposed to absolute time values (milliseconds). This opinion have grown from experimenting with those techniques. However, I sometimes like "off sync stuttering" as well, but then typically in a dub style context. This "off sync" love of mine also comes in when listening to musicians playing freely. It's amazing how you can listen to almost complete noise (if looking into it from a music theory angle) and experience new meanings building up all the time inside that noise. This happens very rarely with computer created noise but almost always when humans make noise together. I think that comes from the extremely fast way the human brain adapts to hearing and our superb instincts for babbling ;-) Not only for "babbling", also for telling stories. I read that scientists had taught monkees to communicate with some thee or four hundred symbol signs. The monkeys answered when questioned, they told their keepers when the wanted food but then never told anyone anything spontaneously. Compare that behavior with humans; approach any child of four years age and it will start telling you all kind of stories of what he/she has seen lately. It's like humans are constantly boiling over with the urge to tell each other stories, to share themselves and mirror each other. Maybe that's why we keep making music? Hmm.... does this have anything to do with the Golden Ratio? Don't think so... guess I just lost track of this thread so I'm signing off here now. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 10:04:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 651693BEEC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XYaUfQtPCCGBnxXXbw3d/+UGp7RfcLgSMNO2WyBPm60=; b=tU+Q3TDo8T/EtTjXunX3BjXNf/VrJJeuLh+GfBPh/jiNe6PeX/KqX7/5Fmj2/Z+SnvxV33/wQSbTcIRdWoidCg94JYTczJDF4rTrkkMqoTlj9w44XrDE8YTX1PZDGpk0dTxpee0dSQVxTOrNLQ7awFYg3Aj97WwiRWjfyjmunlg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=O7xUlyzNrzmNgqkuZe7y6ts3WZbcHb56Zn1cnHJ4p3O5ulwvKklnJp8bXAqwZC7JxaK2+9zse7/jnk9dmDHu9bTyopVvTCiayCHpM0OMXTeIFCu7JRIoyWdlKaytnkbL5HPNngW+j14urET2ZRkQv2MoC2HOhLduT9OpXPVIBl8= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801080204h7a4689b7g68b74d174b1dc41e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:04:21 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080134t412be1feqaa6af5afef288587@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19622_26685278.1199786661684" References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <014b01c84e3c$06bc09d0$6501a8c0@ECCO> <4cf76a0b0801040645o7c4ac122t160fbb30b60044e@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c84ee4$ce871b50$6b9551f0$@com> <4cf76a0b0801072217r11346763r69a74ad6cfaf6ae0@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801072343p2f1eaf44r9e8652c50329e6ba@mail.gmail.com> <4cf76a0b0801072354gb2ce9a3w1d7b3f32ab9f9c9a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801080134t412be1feqaa6af5afef288587@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:04:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19622_26685278.1199786661684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree, technically, BT's totally out of control, and I really feel positive and good about where he's at spiritually and appreciate his genuine and creative attitude. Sometimes his music when it's all put together misses something, and I think it's the sense of BAND as opposed to ARTIST. I think that ties into your thoughts about our glossolalia and urge to express. I think music is a mutual sport, and I'm discovering more and more that as fun as the things I do on my own are, it ain't a thing to making magic music with other folks. I've heard rumor of BT working with Imogen Heap, with M. Doughty from Soul Coughing, with DJ Rap, with piles of folks, and I think as long as that's mutual, and real time, and truely collaborative and not just sharing samples, some real magic could come out of it. Plus, he needs a small dose of sticky icky stinky funk. But, that's just my personal needs showing thru :) That brings us to another golden ratio question... has anyone tried playing with 1.618 other bandmates? I've had successes at several fibonnaci sized groups (2, 3, 5, 8, 21 (hmm no 13... anyone up for a tuba?)) and i've always liked fat 3 part brass harmony.. any other ratios that people enjoy? -Miles On Jan 8, 2008 1:34 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: > > Funny, I met several of the members of the Seattle Symphony who > participated > > in the recording sessions for the source material in the work. BT > composed > > for and directed the 110 piece orchestra, and definitely had the > treatments > > in mind during the composition, his near neurotic methodical approach > > boggles the mind. Interested: are you listening to the 5.1 mix? it's > much > > more bettah! The thing that freaks me out about the stuttered rhythms > is > > that they're not fabricated, not milisecond delay based. They're all > note > > values.. There's rain in the third piece, each drop of rain was > isolated, > > and time corrected to 256th notes, I watched him do a few on a > projector. > > It's mind numbing detail, but for whatever reason it gets his rocks off, > and > > that means it loops perfectly... so the twittery noises, they're all > "real" > > notes, which is just nuts to me ;) > > > That's interesting background information. Thanks for sharing it! I > hope you understand that I wasn't talking about the real story of how > BT created that album, but rather what it sounds like to me when > listening. I wrote it because you initiated a discussion on what we > loopers think about BT's music, and I just came to think about some > more interesting aspects of him: BT is so skilled in everything he > does that any comment on his different productions tends to say more > about your own taste than about BT. What I think I have learned the > most from BT is not music but rather his ideas and techniques on micro > editing audio when producing recorded music. Especially his early work > with ReCycle where he used a sample editor on audio files to set > different filtering characters over very short slices of audio. That > gave a completely new and punchy sound in pop music and I found that > very inspiring although I wasn't a fan to that particular musical > style. It's rather his way of zooming in on details and carrying out > tweaking on the micro level to achieve a certain change in expression > on the more general level of the complete piece that inspires me. It's > indeed a challenge to apply those techniques to both real-time music > making and production work! Applying it on the compositional level is > way over my horizon. Maybe even over BT's but he deserves all the > respect for trying. I'd love to check out the surround version BTW, > can imagine it all makes more sense that way. I have a second pair of > monitors here but I don't have time or space for keeping all four > satellites constantly mounted for surround. I don't own a 5.1 DVD > player either so the only time I listen to surround music is when I > produce it. Last time that happened my living room looked like a > construction area with ladders holding gaffa taped Genelec's in > surround listening position. Then I burn the mixes do DVD-r and run > over to a friend that has home theatre system to check it out in an > end user listening situation. > > What you're stating about BT's stuttering is also interesting. I tend > to like those tricks much better when they are built on musical values > as opposed to absolute time values (milliseconds). This opinion have > grown from experimenting with those techniques. However, I sometimes > like "off sync stuttering" as well, but then typically in a dub style > context. This "off sync" love of mine also comes in when listening to > musicians playing freely. It's amazing how you can listen to almost > complete noise (if looking into it from a music theory angle) and > experience new meanings building up all the time inside that noise. > This happens very rarely with computer created noise but almost always > when humans make noise together. I think that comes from the extremely > fast way the human brain adapts to hearing and our superb instincts > for babbling ;-) Not only for "babbling", also for telling stories. I > read that scientists had taught monkees to communicate with some thee > or four hundred symbol signs. The monkeys answered when questioned, > they told their keepers when the wanted food but then never told > anyone anything spontaneously. Compare that behavior with humans; > approach any child of four years age and it will start telling you all > kind of stories of what he/she has seen lately. It's like humans are > constantly boiling over with the urge to tell each other stories, to > share themselves and mirror each other. Maybe that's why we keep > making music? Hmm.... does this have anything to do with the Golden > Ratio? Don't think so... guess I just lost track of this thread so I'm > signing off here now. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_19622_26685278.1199786661684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree, technically, BT's totally out of control, and I really feel positive and good about where he's at spiritually and appreciate his genuine and creative attitude.  Sometimes his music when it's all put together misses something, and I think it's the sense of BAND as opposed to ARTIST.  I think that ties into your thoughts about our glossolalia and urge to express.  I think music is a mutual sport, and I'm discovering more and more that as fun as the things I do on my own are, it ain't a thing to making magic music with other folks.  

I've heard rumor of BT working with Imogen Heap, with M. Doughty from Soul Coughing, with DJ Rap, with piles of folks, and I think as long as that's mutual, and real time, and truely collaborative and not just sharing samples, some real magic could come out of it.  Plus, he needs a small dose of sticky icky stinky funk.  But, that's just my personal needs showing thru :)  

That brings us to another golden ratio question... has anyone tried playing with 1.618 other bandmates?  I've had successes at several fibonnaci sized groups (2, 3, 5, 8, 21 (hmm no 13... anyone up for a tuba?)) and i've always liked fat 3 part brass harmony..  any other ratios that people enjoy?
-Miles

On Jan 8, 2008 1:34 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward <miles932@gmail.com> wrote:
> Funny, I met several of the members of the Seattle Symphony who participated
> in the recording sessions for the source material in the work.  BT composed
> for and directed the 110 piece orchestra, and definitely had the treatments
> in mind during the composition, his near neurotic methodical approach
> boggles the mind.  Interested: are you listening to the 5.1 mix? it's much
> more bettah!  The thing that freaks me out about the stuttered rhythms is
> that they're not fabricated, not milisecond delay based.  They're all note
> values..  There's rain in the third piece, each drop of rain was isolated,
> and time corrected to 256th notes, I watched him do a few on a projector.
> It's mind numbing detail, but for whatever reason it gets his rocks off, and
> that means it loops perfectly...  so the twittery noises, they're all "real"
> notes, which is just nuts to me ;)


That's interesting background information. Thanks for sharing it! I
hope you understand that I wasn't talking about the real story of how
BT created that album, but rather what it sounds like to me when
listening. I wrote it because you initiated a discussion on what we
loopers think about BT's music, and I just came to think about some
more interesting aspects of him: BT is so skilled in everything he
does that any comment on his different productions tends to say more
about your own taste than about BT. What I think I have learned the
most from BT is not music but rather his ideas and techniques on micro
editing audio when producing recorded music. Especially his early work
with ReCycle where he used a sample editor on audio files to set
different filtering characters over very short slices of audio. That
gave a completely new and punchy sound in pop music and I found that
very inspiring although I wasn't a fan to that particular musical
style. It's rather his way of zooming in on details and carrying out
tweaking on the micro level to achieve a certain change in expression
on the more general level of the complete piece that inspires me. It's
indeed a challenge to apply those techniques to both real-time music
making and production work! Applying it on the compositional level is
way over my horizon. Maybe even over BT's but he deserves all the
respect for trying. I'd love to check out the surround version BTW,
can imagine it all makes more sense that way. I have a second pair of
monitors here but I don't have time or space for keeping all four
satellites constantly mounted for surround. I don't own a 5.1 DVD
player either so the only time I listen to surround music is when I
produce it. Last time that happened my living room looked like a
construction area with ladders holding gaffa taped Genelec's in
surround listening position. Then I burn the mixes do DVD-r and run
over to a friend that has home theatre system to check it out in an
end user listening situation.

What you're stating about BT's stuttering is also interesting. I tend
to like those tricks much better when they are built on musical values
as opposed to absolute time values (milliseconds). This opinion have
grown from experimenting with those techniques. However, I sometimes
like "off sync stuttering" as well, but then typically in a dub style
context. This "off sync" love of mine also comes in when listening to
musicians playing freely. It's amazing how you can listen to almost
complete noise (if looking into it from a music theory angle) and
experience new meanings building up all the time inside that noise.
This happens very rarely with computer created noise but almost always
when humans make noise together. I think that comes from the extremely
fast way the human brain adapts to hearing and our superb instincts
for babbling ;-)  Not only for "babbling", also for telling stories. I
read that scientists had taught monkees  to communicate with some thee
or four hundred symbol signs. The monkeys answered when questioned,
they told their keepers when the wanted food but then never told
anyone anything spontaneously. Compare that behavior with humans;
approach any child of four years age and it will start telling you all
kind of stories of what he/she has seen lately. It's like humans are
constantly boiling over with the urge to tell each other stories, to
share themselves and mirror each other. Maybe that's why we keep
making music? Hmm.... does this have anything to do with the Golden
Ratio? Don't think so... guess I just lost track of this thread so I'm
signing off here now.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)




--
---Miles Ward
------=_Part_19622_26685278.1199786661684-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 11:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D00E53BEF3; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c851e9$55768680$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <16746460.1199144830122.JavaMail.root@m05> <477B922E.6010800@soundscapes.us> <5740495.1199290286035.JavaMail.root@m05> <4780E5D7.3040407@soundscapes.us> <295a01c85141$ae4942a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002f01c8518d$fe53ea10$0201a8c0@eluk1> <4cf76a0b0801072220j65243b22ic70bb3175b6e611@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:26:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C851E9.54586C50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:26:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C851E9.54586C50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, never been a Scientologist. [snicker] I amazingly did not bring my = dear old 200W-channel Sony AV900 with me, nor the four rebuilt = Altec-Lansings I had hooked up to it, when I moved to London in 2000. = It was a bit of a mad dash to get over here and out of the Alhambra = apartment I'd lived in for 12 years, and the original intent was to come = back in 2001 to get the rest of my stuff out of storage once and for = all. Sigh, my Juno-106 and the entire CD collection (except Lou = Reed-to-Rolling Stones, and Van Halen-to-ZZ Top, oddly enough, great = stuff to continue practicing with in the albeit long interim)... Well, = one of these days I'm coming out there to get it, and hopefully will be = combining this with a gig or five as well. I don't think Reznor was on that disc - I remember seeing one with his = name on it at the late, great Poobah's in Pasadena, the same week Bowie = and Reznor appeared on MTTV looking all leathered and chummy, to = introduce the video (which has Bowie looking over his shoulder to see = Reznor in the distance, following)... oh, and it was Ice Cube, not = Ice-T... what an old poop I'm becoming. If you had mentioned to anyone = in the early 1970s that people in their fifties-sixties would wax = nostalgic about glitter/glam, or that Bowie would still be at it, what a = strange reaction that might have been... Was that version of I'm Afraid of Americans" done with Nine Inch Nails = artist Trent Reznor? I think I have that one, and it has serious low = end, but nothing that appeared to damage or distort my equipment... are = you playing with tin cans stephen? ;)=20 On Jan 7, 2008 4:32 PM, Stephen Goodman = wrote: What you're describing is an awful lot like something I encountered = on a Bowie CD in 2000... Right before I left the US to get married I got = ahold of a -gasp!- CD extended single of "I'm Afraid of Americans"... The = first title=20 cut is fine, and the second, a remix with Ice-T... but the third = track had this really annoying low freq sound, repeated rhythmically (making = it even more annoying)... it made my woofers make a wet 'dlptdlptdlpt' = (think of=20 your lips imitating a motor boat, lowered around 10 octaves?) sound = that frankly made me wonder if the track was engineered for those half-the-size-of-the-trunk subwoofers for vehicles most of the world = outside LA wouldn't see until "Fast and Furious" came out... I so avoided = the track that I burned the other tracks to my own CD, making a 10-minute = version of the title song. While it made me wonder if the track was deliberately done that way, = to=20 rattle the car next to you.. what you're saying here balances it out = for me. Maybe the track was just a victim of too much work.. Did anyone else = get this disc? Sorry to interrupt with the OT musing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Monday, 7 January, 2008 15:26 PM Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing lately on a project = and have=20 > learned a lot of new methods and techniques. I've heard folks say > mastering and mixing is a black art, now I know why. In these = particular > songs, they sounded wonderful on my headphones. There were some = really=20 > cool and deep things going on in the 44hz range and below, and = some others > in the 62hz range. It all sounded great through my headphones, but = those > frequencies were reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car = stereo,=20 > portable stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant = frequencies that > were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. = And it > wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was compressed/limited and = below=20 > 0db, and there was no redlining in my original recordings. It only = had to > address troublesome resonant frequencies. So, I had to go back = and > re-master the files, adding a high pass filter that rolled = everything off=20 > below 60hz. That did the trick, but I really miss the sound in the > headphones. And I'm sure there are some hi fi systems that would = have > produced the original files well, but I can't expect everyone to = have a=20 > system like that. Then I started fine tuning some of the other = songs, > doing a frequency spectrum analysis, watching and listening for = other > resonant frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with = various=20 > parametric EQs and so on. Then it got complicated, because if I = was > altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem from an = instrument > in the mix, without changing the frequency of another = instrument...so I go=20 > back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, etc. I could spend hours and = hour > just on one song and still not be satisfied with the results, or = waver > between two different approaches. Is there a simpler approach?=20 > > I'm wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to > mixing/mastering their music. For example, after you remove the = DC > offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? What about=20 > compression/limiting? On average, how much of a threshold do you = apply? > Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes to maximize = volume, or are > you very conservative and preserve as much of the original dynamic = range=20 > as possible, sacrificing some volume. What sort of tools are you = using? I > use Waves L2, and the whole sweet of others in that package. Ever = use > Waves MaxxBass? I read some articles that recommended it during = the master=20 > process, but I did not like the results. It altered too many other > frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent. > > Moreover, the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much = of my=20 > original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. And, = quite > honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ on my guitar = when it > is was not meant to correct a problem but only server his own idea = of how=20 > a guitar should sound, he will hear some sharp words from me. I = spend a > lot of time on the tone of my guitar, and do not appreciate a = sound guy > butchering it because of his own sound aesthetic. As they say, = "If it=20 > ain't broke, don't fix it." > > So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic range and EQ as = possible, > what is the bare minimum I should be doing to my final mixes to = ensure > they don't generate problems on the average listener's stereo = system? One > source I found said to elminate anything below 60hz because most = systems > wouldn't be ableto represent it. I suppose if I wanted to be a = purist, I=20 > would only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not = apply > any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are = already > altering the original dynamic range of the piece. Then, in = principle, I=20 > should not have to mess with frequencies with EQ whatsoever, = unless there > are serious playback issues on common stereo systems. That is the > direction I would like to head, but I struggle with competing with = other=20 > mixes out there in the same genre that are so ridiculously loud = because of > the amount of compression/limiting applied, followed by level = increases. > How much of a change in dynamic range, from original source to = mastered=20 > recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example, I = start with > a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is above = -10db), and > master my file so that 40% of my material is above -10db, what am = I=20 > sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived increase in level? I = suppose > this is where the black art comes in, because it's not as if there = were a > low of physics that dictates how this should be done; rather it is = based=20 > on subjective or relative engineering practices. > > Any thoughts or best practices would be appreciated here on how to = be both > a sound source preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound = engineer at=20 > the same time. > > Kris > > > > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> As many folks know on the list, I use laptop processing via max = (looper, >>> other octave effects) that completely transform the sound of my = guitar.=20 >>> It is not uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar = (82.4hz), and >>> then apply a two octave drop. I'm not sure what that would be. >> Divide the frequency by two for each octave you drop. (Multiply = by two=20 >> for every octave you raise.) 82.4/4 =3D 20.6Hz. You're = definitely into >> the subwoofer's range. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> > > >=20 > > --=20 ---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C851E9.54586C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, never been a Scientologist. = [snicker]  I=20 amazingly did not bring my dear old 200W-channel Sony AV900 with me, nor = the=20 four rebuilt Altec-Lansings I had hooked up to it, when I moved to = London in=20 2000.  It was a bit of a mad dash to get over here and out of the = Alhambra=20 apartment I'd lived in for 12 years, and the original intent was to come = back in=20 2001 to get the rest of my stuff out of storage once and for all.  = Sigh, my=20 Juno-106 and the entire CD collection (except Lou Reed-to-Rolling = Stones, and=20 Van Halen-to-ZZ Top, oddly enough, great stuff to continue practicing = with in=20 the albeit long interim)... Well, one of these days I'm coming out there = to get=20 it, and hopefully will be combining this with a gig or five as=20 well.
 
I don't think Reznor was on that disc = - I remember=20 seeing one with his name on it at the late, great Poobah's in Pasadena, = the same=20 week Bowie and Reznor appeared on MTTV looking all leathered and chummy, = to=20 introduce the video (which has Bowie looking over his shoulder to see = Reznor in=20 the distance, following)... oh, and it was Ice Cube, not Ice-T... what = an old=20 poop I'm becoming.  If you had mentioned to anyone in the early = 1970s that=20 people in their fifties-sixties would wax nostalgic about glitter/glam, = or that=20 Bowie would still be at it, what a strange reaction that might have=20 been...
Was that version of I'm Afraid of = Americans"=20 done with Nine Inch Nails artist Trent Reznor?  I think I have = that one,=20 and it has serious low end, but nothing that appeared to damage or = distort my=20 equipment... are you playing with tin cans stephen? ;)

On Jan 7, 2008 4:32 PM, Stephen Goodman = <spgoodman@earthlight.net>= =20 wrote:
What=20 you're describing is an awful lot like something I encountered on = a
Bowie=20 CD in 2000... Right before I left the US to get married I got ahold = of
a=20 -gasp!- CD extended single of "I'm Afraid of Americans"... The first = title=20
cut is fine, and the second, a remix with Ice-T... but the third = track=20 had
this really annoying low freq sound, repeated rhythmically = (making it=20 even
more annoying)... it made my woofers make a wet = 'dlptdlptdlpt'=20 (think of
your lips imitating a motor boat, lowered around 10 = octaves?)=20 sound that
frankly made me wonder if the track was engineered for = those
half-the-size-of-the-trunk subwoofers for vehicles most of = the=20 world outside
LA wouldn't see until "Fast and Furious" came = out... I so=20 avoided the track
that I burned the other tracks to my own CD, = making a=20 10-minute version of
the title song.

While it made me = wonder if=20 the track was deliberately done that way, to
rattle the car next = to=20 you.. what you're saying here balances it out for me.
Maybe the = track was=20 just a victim of too much work.. Did anyone else get
this=20 disc?

Sorry to interrupt with the OT musing.

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Krispen=20 Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
To= :=20 <=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, 7 January, 2008 15:26 = PM
Subject: Re:=20 Powered Subs...on to mastering


> I've been doing a lot of mastering and = mixing lately=20 on a project and have
> learned a lot of new methods and = techniques.=20  I've heard folks say
> mastering and mixing is a black = art, now=20 I know why. In these particular
> songs, they sounded = wonderful on my=20 headphones. There were some really
> cool and deep things = going on in=20 the 44hz range and below, and some others
> in the 62hz range. = It all=20 sounded great through my headphones, but those
> frequencies = were=20 reeking havoc on my consumer stereo systems - car stereo,
> = portable=20 stereo, etc. They were really prominent resonant frequencies = that
>=20 were rattling the hell out of the speakers and causing distortion. =  And=20 it
> wasn't a level problem...all my stuff was = compressed/limited and=20 below
> 0db, and there was no redlining in my original = recordings. It=20 only had to
> address troublesome resonant frequencies. =  So, I=20 had to go back and
> re-master the files, adding a high pass = filter=20 that rolled everything off
> below 60hz. That did the trick, = but I=20 really miss the sound in the
> headphones. And I'm sure there = are some=20 hi fi systems that would have
> produced the original files = well, but=20 I can't expect everyone to have a
> system like that. =  Then I=20 started fine tuning some of the other songs,
> doing a = frequency=20 spectrum analysis, watching and listening for other
> resonant = frequencies, unusual spikes, etc....correcting them with various =
>=20 parametric EQs and so on.  Then it got complicated, because if = I=20 was
> altering a whole mix, then I could not fix one problem = from an=20 instrument
> in the mix, without changing the frequency of = another=20 instrument...so I go
> back to the source tracks/wavs, etc, = etc. I=20 could spend hours and hour
> just on one song and still not be = satisfied with the results, or waver
> between two different=20 approaches.   Is there a simpler approach?
>
> I'm = wondering what others uses as a consistent approach to
>=20 mixing/mastering their music.  For example, after you remove = the=20 DC
> offset, do you apply a unique approach to applying EQ? = What about=20
> compression/limiting?  On average, how much of a = threshold do=20 you apply?
> Do you suck the dynamic range out of your mixes = to=20 maximize volume, or are
> you very conservative and preserve = as much=20 of the original dynamic range
> as possible, sacrificing some = volume.=20 What sort of tools are you using? I
> use Waves L2, and the = whole=20 sweet of others in that package.  Ever use
> Waves = MaxxBass? I=20 read some articles that recommended it during the master
> = process,=20 but I did not like the results. It altered too many other
>=20 frequencies in my mix beyond my original intent.
>
> = Moreover,=20 the idealist/purist in me would like to preserve as much of my =
>=20 original dynamic range and frequency character as possible. =  And,=20 quite
> honestly, if I ever catch a sound guy altering the EQ = on my=20 guitar when it
> is was not meant to correct a problem but = only server=20 his own idea of how
> a guitar should sound, he will hear = some sharp=20 words from me.  I spend a
> lot of time on the tone of my = guitar,=20 and do not appreciate a sound guy
> butchering it because of = his own=20 sound aesthetic.  As they say, "If it
> ain't broke, = don't fix=20 it."
>
> So, if I want to preserve as much of my dynamic = range=20 and EQ as possible,
> what is the bare minimum I should be = doing to my=20 final mixes to ensure
> they don't generate problems on the = average=20 listener's stereo system?  One
> source I found said to = elminate=20 anything below 60hz because most systems
> wouldn't be ableto=20 represent it.  I suppose if I wanted to be a purist, I
> = would=20 only ensure my overall level is at or close to 0db, and not = apply
>=20 any compression whatsoever...because once you do that, you are=20 already
> altering the original dynamic range of the piece. = Then, in=20 principle, I
> should not have to mess with frequencies with = EQ=20 whatsoever, unless there
> are serious playback issues on = common=20 stereo systems. That is the
> direction I would like to head, = but I=20 struggle with competing with other
> mixes out there in the = same=20 genre that are so ridiculously loud because of
> the amount of = compression/limiting applied, followed by level increases.
> = How much=20 of a change in dynamic range, from original source to mastered =
>=20 recording can a human ear identify? If, just as an example,  I = start=20 with
> a -60db to 0db range (where only 10% of my material is = above=20 -10db), and
> master my file so that 40% of my material is = above=20 -10db, what am I
> sacrificing to obtain an overall perceived = increase in level? I suppose
> this is where the black art = comes in,=20 because it's not as if there were a
> low of physics that = dictates how=20 this should be done; rather it is based
> on subjective or = relative=20 engineering practices.
>
> Any thoughts or best = practices would=20 be appreciated here on how to be both
> a sound source=20 preservationist, yet a playback friendly sound engineer at
> = the same=20 time.
>
> = Kris
>
>
>
>
>>=20 Krispen Hartung wrote:
>>> As many folks know on the = list, I use=20 laptop processing via max (looper,
>>> other octave = effects)=20 that completely transform the sound of my guitar.
>>> = It is not=20 uncommon for me to play a low E on the guitar (82.4hz), = and
>>>=20 then apply a two octave drop.  I'm not sure what that would=20 be.
>> Divide the frequency by two for each octave you = drop.=20  (Multiply by two
>> for every octave you raise.)=20  82.4/4 =3D 20.6Hz.  You're definitely into
>> = the=20 subwoofer's range.
>>
>> = Cheers,
>>
>>=20 Bill
>>
>
>
>=20
>
>



--
---Miles Ward ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C851E9.54586C50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 11:43:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B69F3BF05; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:43:09 UTC X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <478353B5.7020505@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:43:01 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:43:10 +0000 (UTC) -Miles Davis: the complete on the corner sessions -the complete J-S Bach for keyboard by glenn Gould 15 cd -"The Fisherman and the Woodcutter": Sou Si-tai playin Qin (chinese zither) -Keith jarrett: Radiance -Shostakovitch: violin and cello concertos -Wayne Krantz: your basic live no looping content whatsoever or maybe a little in the on the corner sessions tape; looping by producer Theo Macero; In 72 Miles was very interested in Stochausen and the European composers. Claude Voit From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 12:56:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D56E3BED0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-298955516 Message-Id: <59A9173A-2395-405C-973D-8D95F4549CDD@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:56:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:56:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-298955516 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I use a Motu Ultralite with Live 7 and Sooperlooper. I will probably check out the repeater VST, if it ever is released. The Motu is really great. On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Hey Chris, Todd and Rick. > What interfaces are you using? and with what software? > > Very best, Ariel. > > > On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 PM, rick < bs@tanawana.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my > > > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that > enticing to me. > > > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be > > > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I > > > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just > concerned > > > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal > with. > > > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on > stage? > > > Thanks > > > Chris > > Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year > straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a > live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or > anything. > Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car > and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a > brand new macBook now. > > I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too. > The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan > attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between > set music also. > > > --Apple-Mail-1-298955516 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I use a Motu Ultralite with Live 7 and Sooperlooper. I will probably = check out the repeater VST, if it ever is released. The Motu is really = great.=A0
On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Ariel Rzezak = wrote:

Hey Chris, Todd and Rick.=A0
What interfaces are you = using? and with what software?

Very best, = Ariel.


On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 = PM, rick < bs@tanawana.com> = wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen = wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> = wrote:
> > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as = the core of my
> > setup. Hardware effects and devices no = longer seem that enticing to me.
> > However, If my bookings = stay at the level I am at now, I could be
> > playing close to = 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I
> > sense the = Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned
> > = that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal = with.
> > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a = Laptop on stage?
> > Thanks
> > = Chris

=A0Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 = for the last year
=A0straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in = clubs, bars with a
=A0live drummer and had no problems. Not even a = single glitch or anything.
=A0Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I = came home and got out of my car
=A0and dropped it about a foot or = so. Lost the display and using a
=A0brand new macBook now.

=A0I = also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too.
=A0The laptop = sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan
=A0attached underneath = blowing up. I use iTunes for the between
=A0set music = also.




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I will probably check > out the repeater VST, if it ever is released. I'm sorry, but the Virtual Repeater Pro will probably never be released as a VST plug-in. It is a indeed a standalone host application. But you can load VST plug-ins into the VRP. The press release doesn't tell but I think someone on this list said it can run four VST plug-ins. May that be one per channel? The VRP is described here: http://www.electrixpro.com/vr_press.pdf -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:21:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D413BEDE; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025501c851f9$6ea62d30$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Recent listening Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:21:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:21:59 +0000 (UTC) Today playlist: - Keith Jarrett (european quartet): Personal Mountains - Jan Garbarek: In praise of dreams - Alva Noto & R. Sakamoto: Revep - Radiohead: In Rainbows - Chick Corea: Children' s songs - Steve Reich: Triple Quartet - Gerardo Nunez: Calima fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:40:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91A9D3BEE7; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027601c851fc$03d50640$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: Subject: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:40:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0273_01C85204.653C8130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:40:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0273_01C85204.653C8130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is someone in this list using the Lexicon PSP 84 in a looping = context ? Can someone report his opinions about it ?=20 http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html Thanks fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_0273_01C85204.653C8130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is someone in = this list using=20 the Lexicon PSP 84 in a looping context ?
Can someone = report his=20 opinions about it ?
http://www.pspaud= ioware.com/plugins/psp84.html
 
Thanks
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0273_01C85204.653C8130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:44:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15513BEE6; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c851fc$88d3a7c0$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: References: <14279.87715.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2a9c01c851be$8e2b7d30$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:44:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C8520D.4C2B7CB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:44:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C8520D.4C2B7CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bob katz's mastering book is a MUST for every engineer. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering ditto that question! I wonder if any well known engineers have = published=20 any books that have some tips and tricks, best practices, methods, = etc. All=20 I have is the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Manual, which has some = goodies in=20 it. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 > Hey gang, > any good audio books on this subject you can recomend? > id like to get a deeper understanding on this! > cheers > Luis > > > --- Bill Fox wrote: > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > I've been doing a lot of mastering and mixing >> lately on a project and >> > have learned a lot of new methods and techniques. >> I've heard folks >> > say mastering and mixing is a black art, now I >> know why. In these >> > particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my >> headphones. There were >> > some really cool and deep things going on in the >> 44hz range and below, >> > and some others in the 62hz range. It all sounded >> great through my >> > headphones, but those frequencies were reeking >> havoc on my consumer >> > stereo systems - car stereo, portable stereo, etc. >> >> Hi Kris, >> >> I recommend that you do not mix using headphones. >> That is an even more >> phony environment than stereo speakers. Speakers >> pushing air to your >> ears is closer to how you hear a live event than >> headphones. >> >> Mixing and mastering are two different processes. I >> recommend that you >> do not master songs one at a time in isolation. One >> ought to master an >> album's worth of songs together. Not all at once >> but as a set. How you >> want to volume balance, equalize, and compress >> things is very dependent >> upon the song order. Concentrate only on mixing. >> Save mastering for >> last and use a pro if you can afford it. >> >> If you are having bass region problems, there could >> be many reasons; the >> system, the speakers, speaker placement, the room, >> and on and on ad >> infinitum. I'd look at what track in the song is >> supplying the bass >> that breaks up in certain systems. Work on that >> track's EQ and >> compression then remix the song. Can you mix using >> your portable >> stereo? If if sounds great there, that's how 90% of >> your audience will >> hear the song. Then compare the result through you >> regular studio >> speakers and then headphones. Listen to your mixes >> in as many >> environments as possible. >> >> Take what I and everyone else tell you with a few >> grains of salt and >> experiment on your own. Mixing *is* a black art. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bill >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > >=20 > = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.=20 > = http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3Dshopping >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C8520D.4C2B7CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bob katz's mastering book is a MUST for every engineer.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 = 8:20=20 AM
Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on = to=20 mastering

ditto that question!  I wonder if any well known = engineers=20 have published
any books that have some tips and tricks, best = practices,=20 methods, etc.  All
I have is the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement = Manual,=20 which has some goodies in
it.

Kris


----- = Original=20 Message -----
> Hey gang,
> any good audio books on this = subject=20 you can recomend?
> id like to get a deeper understanding on=20 this!
> cheers
> Luis
>
>
> --- Bill Fox = <billyfox@soundscapes.us>=20 wrote:
>
>> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> > = I've been=20 doing a lot of mastering and mixing
>> lately on a project=20 and
>> > have learned a lot of new methods and=20 techniques.
>> I've heard folks
>> > say = mastering and=20 mixing is a black art, now I
>> know why. In = these
>> >=20 particular songs, they sounded wonderful on my
>> headphones. = There=20 were
>> > some really cool and deep things going on in=20 the
>> 44hz range and below,
>> > and some others = in the=20 62hz range. It all sounded
>> great through my
>> = >=20 headphones, but those frequencies were reeking
>> havoc on my = consumer
>> > stereo systems - car stereo, portable = stereo,=20 etc.
>>
>> Hi Kris,
>>
>> I = recommend that=20 you do not mix using headphones.
>> That is an even = more
>>=20 phony environment than stereo speakers.  Speakers
>> = pushing air=20 to your
>> ears is closer to how you hear a live event=20 than
>> headphones.
>>
>> Mixing and = mastering are=20 two different processes.  I
>> recommend that = you
>> do=20 not master songs one at a time in isolation.  One
>> = ought to=20 master an
>> album's worth of songs together.  Not all = at=20 once
>> but as a set.  How you
>> want to = volume=20 balance, equalize, and compress
>> things is very=20 dependent
>> upon the song order.  Concentrate only on=20 mixing.
>> Save mastering for
>> last and use a pro = if you=20 can afford it.
>>
>> If you are having bass region = problems,=20 there could
>> be many reasons; the
>> system, the = speakers,=20 speaker placement, the room,
>> and on and on ad
>>=20 infinitum.  I'd look at what track in the song is
>> = supplying=20 the bass
>> that breaks up in certain systems.  Work on=20 that
>> track's EQ and
>> compression then remix the = song.  Can you mix using
>> your portable
>>=20 stereo?  If if sounds great there, that's how 90% of
>> = your=20 audience will
>> hear the song.  Then compare the result = through=20 you
>> regular studio
>> speakers and then = headphones. =20 Listen to your mixes
>> in as many
>> environments = as=20 possible.
>>
>> Take what I and everyone else tell = you with=20 a few
>> grains of salt and
>> experiment on your = own. =20 Mixing *is* a black art.
>>
>>=20 Cheers,
>>
>>=20 Bill
>>
>>
>
>
> www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om
>
>
>=20
>=20 = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________
>=20 Looking for last minute shopping deals?
> Find them fast with = Yahoo!=20 Search.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=3D= shopping
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C8520D.4C2B7CB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67BAB3BF0B; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZdF72uC8flE97LfPyWyzcvjPVS8Or1j3kNs8S9jIfuk=; b=VoGRLXDnMEQi0YJMbyxmejuHnDTFTFNuJkCh5u2JKlDhJAcDcVXJckRpTpViNelTBBQ941XnOCtMHr07zSG2ULKeiTU6ZiNuSV0RedoVmkHAnmi7IyXuF+b89zXTqTP2sA5fkZOC8BgqfrMs+MU5ACzyW23jwp2ETa92Ee5FadE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aXPw7A0QvMLoWtTG6zuW08mPlDRHstBo1a6eiXBWveYLIMT52wuOZapOaEsu8dVvONu/vZ1I9gHGpP5ueOu6UTY4b0qFzBZJAvHGiK/Bf/tTvxnwtKlM4JcYybvfX1187EYjYs6h1d/0UfKUzCR2+LuE2cQX9zOpvXFOHBygU50= Message-ID: <4759e5740801080548x66a4b99ayb9b016e3995c67fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:48:56 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15599_825131.1199800136271" References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:48:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15599_825131.1199800136271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Ariel, I use an Intel Mac, 2.2 with 2 gigs of RAM Ableton 7 Sooperlooper as an Audio Unit MOTU Traveler (the only reason i don't have an Ultralite is that it came out after I got my traveler... AND my lappy fits better on top of it, lol) this is my main setup, if I use hardware, I take along my Eventide Orville for pitch-shifting and specialty items. ----------------------------- In addition, i use MAX/MSP sometimes, and for plug-ins I use mainly the Live Plug-ins, the Wave Arts plugins like Track Plug and MasterVErb, and PSPAudioWare products, mainly the PSP84 and the Multi_Tap Delay. hope that helps, happy to answer any other questions. Oh, here's one other thing... If and when I get a little extra bread, I would go with some other good folks on this list for the RME interface products. On my Tower I still use a Metric Halo, which is equally high end... All Best, Ariel! Todd On 1/7/08, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > Hey Chris, Todd and Rick. What interfaces are you using? and with what > software? > > > Very best, Ariel. > > > On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 PM, rick < bs@tanawana.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my > > > > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to > > me. > > > > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be > > > > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I > > > > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned > > > > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with. > > > > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on > > stage? > > > > Thanks > > > > Chris > > > > > > Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year > > straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a > > live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or anything. > > Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car > > and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a > > brand new macBook now. > > > > I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too. > > The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan > > attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between > > set music also. > > > > > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_15599_825131.1199800136271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Ariel, 

I use an Intel Mac, 2.2 with 2 gigs of RAM

Ableton 7

Sooperlooper as an Audio Unit

MOTU Traveler (the only reason i don't have an Ultralite is that it came out after I got my traveler... AND my lappy fits better on top of it, lol)

this is my main setup, if I use hardware, I take along my Eventide Orville for pitch-shifting and specialty items.

-----------------------------

In addition, i use MAX/MSP sometimes, and for plug-ins I use mainly the Live Plug-ins, the Wave Arts plugins like Track Plug and MasterVErb, and PSPAudioWare products, mainly the PSP84 and the Multi_Tap Delay.  

hope that helps, happy to answer any other questions.

 
Oh, here's one other thing... If and when I get a little extra bread, I would go with some other good folks on this list for the RME interface products.  On my Tower I still use a Metric Halo, which is equally high end... 

All Best, Ariel!  Todd



On 1/7/08, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Chris, Todd and Rick. 
What interfaces are you using? and with what software?

 
Very best, Ariel.


On Jan 7, 2008 4:02 PM, rick < bs@tanawana.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:00PM +0100, Per Boysen wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2008 7:09 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
> > In the last 5 months I have embraced the Laptop as the core of my
> > setup. Hardware effects and devices no longer seem that enticing to me.
> > However, If my bookings stay at the level I am at now, I could be
> > playing close to 140 gigs this year. Some of these last 4 hours. I
> > sense the Macbook Pro is very solid and stable. I am just concerned
> > that I might be asking more of it then it will be able to deal with.
> > Has anyone else dealt with a similar workload with a Laptop on stage?
> > Thanks
> > Chris

 
 Don't know if this helps, but I ran a powerbook G4 for the last year
 straight doing 4 hour jobs, 1-3 times a week in clubs, bars with a
 live drummer and had no problems. Not even a single glitch or anything.
 Ofcourse until New Years Eve when I came home and got out of my car
 and dropped it about a foot or so. Lost the display and using a
 brand new macBook now.

 I also keep a fan on my laptop live the whole night too.
 The laptop sits on a heavy duty music stand with a fan
 attached underneath blowing up. I use iTunes for the between
 set music also.



 



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------=_Part_15599_825131.1199800136271-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:52:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D57F03BF05; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 713482366 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Recent listening Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:52:07 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCDB84@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <025501c851f9$6ea62d30$4001a8c0@pcfabio> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recent listening Thread-Index: AchR/aiUqzW5BcHPRCSew9G3LU/56g== References: <025501c851f9$6ea62d30$4001a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2008 13:52:08.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[A905E250:01C851FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) bit of a jarrett theme emerging.... ...but not here, not this week anyway.=20 ok. the last two days I have been rediscovering the "deeply un-hip" electric light orchestra, specifically the first, third & fifth albums (because my local CD shop didn't have the other ones), also the first queen album. the other night I was listening to my own bootlegs of stewart copeland's concert at the royal festival hall five years ago, with bill bruford & an orchestra, followed by another concert at the same venue, a very long set from the french band magma.=20 after that I went for a chunk of the richard strauss alpensymphonie, but it had got late so I curtailed & bailed. & I just saw rob "judas priest" halford in the cafe where I have lunch. :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 13:53:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3666C3BF01; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:53:17 UTC X-Originating-IP: 212.17.199.39 Priority: normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: normal Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C851FC.3934ED3C" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 Subject: Crackle during playback Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:41:51 +0100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Crackle during playback thread-index: AchR/Dk0cnsXDkPrRdeA5hM12sakCA== From: To: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2008 13:41:10.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[20EFBD10:01C851FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:53:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C851FC.3934ED3C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear about every minute = and 5 seconds=20 The problem occurs with every audio files and with any software (for = example, I tried with Windows Media Player or with Audio file player in = Bidule or uploading a loop on a mobius track)=20 The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4 2,2 Ghz 512 RAM) = and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP (XP partitioned using FAT file system)=20 The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000 (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 = RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I tried with I-tunes or with Audio file = player in Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on sooperlooper track) My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the driver=20 Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions ********** Scopri la nuova Alice Mail! 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB di allegati. 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Hi all,
I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear about every minute = and 5 seconds

The problem occurs with every audio files and with any software (for = example, I tried with Windows Media Player or with Audio file player in = Bidule or uploading a loop on a mobius track)

The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4  2,2 = Ghz   512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP (XP = partitioned using FAT file system)

The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000 (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 = RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I tried with  I-tunes or with Audio = file player in Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on sooperlooper = track)

My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the driver

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TFBQYXXNXLLWXPEXUXQGFENCETJNQPVBOITDRM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:27:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6333BEE2; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:31:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:27:53 +0000 (UTC) current iPod random play rotation: Ned Rothenberg - "Solo Works - the lumina recordings", "Monkey Puzzle"(duos w/ Evan Parker) Kevin Kastning - "Scaler Fields", "Bicromial", "Resonance" Dominic Duval - "Nightbird Inventions", "Rules of Engagement", "The Dream Book"(w/JoeMcphee) Earl Howard - "5 Saxophone Solos" Anthony Braxton - "19 (solo) Compositions" On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: > What things have you listened to lately that totally were your > piece of >> cake? I'd love to hear! >> -Miles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 15:46:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10033BEDB; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mymmLg4n56+cqoREmqNqE22HJMV8Ktu5bZmKtYJYnB4=; b=txfb+q0Y6vXjLxCWWeMup/VEXrezMgWGa9+8TW8kieV56cWoFQdFvmSlfDBxMk0YW1U7ATCOc5tMyfxyOGJ43QO7MpuWzVJTOPcIXJ+Mv2TJbiE7vcI4f6WlQUgq1a0BmarK9xGvAFm5zd4mVb6PyKoq/P2ujcfLhvdW4/1Lsas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XCcAh/8BXV7S/OittfuRjXzuy+q6NiCyiQ0aQFVXvllTXhWBqnh6YR2CaMIlWiDPyyKrnarbii7yrpgUalm2zoQ50gMwVPNtoGgD0349WfGAPMvhlIAM/ZDOyTS8LgW9/bRE+wqWQgJNNGkuKOuFVuWrnjsowOSI91cFqQzAcPc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:46:22 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Always a fun exercise to see what others listen to :) Me, I've been listening to... Dream Theater - various bootleg shows from the 2007 tour. Tool - 10,000 Days. Pink Floyd - Animals, The Wall, Wish You Were Here Opeth - Morningrise, Orchid. The Dregs - Industry Standard. Porcupine Tree - Nils Recurring, Fear of a Blank Planet King Crimson - some1996 show. Tony On Jan 8, 2008 10:31 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > current iPod random play rotation: > Ned Rothenberg - "Solo Works - the lumina recordings", "Monkey > Puzzle"(duos w/ Evan Parker) > Kevin Kastning - "Scaler Fields", "Bicromial", "Resonance" > Dominic Duval - "Nightbird Inventions", "Rules of Engagement", "The > Dream Book"(w/JoeMcphee) > Earl Howard - "5 Saxophone Solos" > Anthony Braxton - "19 (solo) Compositions" > > > > On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward wrote: > > What things have you listened to lately that totally were your > > piece of > >> cake? I'd love to hear! > >> -Miles From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:14:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A37613BEE0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AtMail PHP 5.04 Message-ID: <7430.1199808894@theclaypools.com> To: Reply-To: loren@theclaypools.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Origin: 207.250.87.252 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:14:54 -0600 Subject: Re: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) From: loren@theclaypools.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9WvQTB.A.UED._F6gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:14:55 +0000 (UTC) The last few days I've been listening to the David Bowie catalog in chronol= ogical release=20 sequence. I wanted to experience the body of his work in one giant gulp, so= mething I do with an=20 artist from time to time. This can take a while for artists with huge catal= ogs, like Frank Zappa,=20 Bill Nelson, and King Crimson with the Collectors Club releases. I've completed the innovative early Bowie stuff, the excellent Eno/Berlin t= rilogy, and just got=20 through what I call the Madonna phase (Let's Dance, Tonight, DB's half of L= abyrinth) - some good=20 songs with very dated instrumentation. Time now for the Reeves Gabrels stuf= f, beginning with Tin=20 Machine.Reeves is brilliant, I'm looking forward to the next several releas= es. Loren On Tue , 'Tony K' sent: >Always a fun exercise to see what others listen to :) > >Me, I've been listening to... > >Dream Theater - various bootleg shows from the 2007 tour. >Tool - 10,000 Days. >Pink Floyd - Animals, The Wall, Wish You Were Here >Opeth - Morningrise, Orchid. >The Dregs - Industry Standard. >Porcupine Tree - Nils Recurring, Fear of a Blank Planet >King Crimson - some1996 show. > >Tony > >On Jan 8, 2008 10:31 AM, Paul Mimlitsch pmimlitsch >@mac.com> wrote:> current iPod random play rotation: >> Ned Rothenberg - "Solo Works - the lumina >recordings", "Monkey> Puzzle"(duos w/ Evan Parker) >> Kevin Kastning - "Scaler Fields", >"Bicromial", "Resonance"> Dominic Duval - "Nightbird Inventions", >"Rules of Engagement", "The> Dream Book"(w/JoeMcphee) >> Earl Howard - "5 Saxophone Solos" >> Anthony Braxton - "19 (solo) Compositions" >> >> >> >> On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Per Boysen >wrote:> >> > On Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM, miles ward miles932@g >mail.com> wrote:> > What things have you listened to lately >that totally were your> > piece of >> >> cake? I'd love to hear! >> >> -Miles > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:23:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BDF83BEE2; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4783A389.50007@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:23:37 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> <478353B5.7020505@vtx.ch> In-Reply-To: <478353B5.7020505@vtx.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:23:41 +0000 (UTC) These threads are always great fun...I love recommendations from this list. for me this past week or two: - Naked City: Complete (just saw your Bowie post, Loren..I love going through entire catalogues) - Henry Cow: Leg End (this band just resonates with me every time I hear 'em) - Zoe Keating: 1 Cello x16 (loop content!) - So Percussion: So Percussion, Drumming, and Amid the Noise - Cuong Vu: Come Play With Me and Bound (more loop content) - Benjamin Verdery: Soepa and Branches - Godflesh: Hymns - Jaga Jazzist: The Stix (on Rick's recommendation...thanks bro!) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:42:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A3A93BEEC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4783A7D6.3070308@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:41:58 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, I installed Max and got your program running and I love it! I'm finding it to be a great sort of little radio for dropping in almost any scrap of tasty audio to let it seep into my brain for awhile, it's really handy for that and I'm excited about chopping up more bits and pieces to throw into the blender and see how they work...thanks again, really a cool little app! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Of course this triggered the wish to have a player which would play them > randomly for a random time. Easy to do in Max of course.... > > My little christmas present is a so called collective, you have to > download the runtime of Max at www.Cycling74.com and on windows machines > Quicktime has to be installed as well... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:54:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F97A3BEDE; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04d701c85217$1d163820$6601a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> <478353B5.7020505@vtx.ch> <4783A389.50007@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Recent listening Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:54:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:54:23 +0000 (UTC) These threads are always fun! You may notice a pattern in my list. I have been listening to a lot of jazz hammond players lately, largely because I have started an avant soul-jazz band where I'm playing mostly faux (laptop derived) hammond and some "real" vintage keys. It's fun to drag my Minimoog back to gigs again! We had our 3rd gig friday, and it was a blast. So my list: Dr. Lonnie Smith, an unsung genius of the hammond. He did an album of Beck covers, Boogaloo to Beck, that is a total po-mo stone-soul jazz classic. Larry Young, both the early Blue Note stuff and the later, more out stuff, like "Lawrence of Newark" and "Love Cry Want." Big John Patton's classic Blue Note stuff, esp. the album w/Bobby Hutcherson, the vibes/hammond combo is great. The entire Zony Mash catalog The entire Medeski Martin & Wood catalog, though I'm not a huge fan of the band, Medeski is a pretty inspiring player. A bootleg from a Russian concert by John Zorn's Emergency (Zorn, Medeski, Marc Ribot, and, I think, Kenny Wolleson), the only recording I have been able to find of Zorn's tribute to Tony Williams' Lifetime. Awesome stuff! Jeff Babko: Mondo Trio, with Jeff Cotton and Vinny Coliuta, imagine Lifetime with Eric Dolphy replacing McLaughlin, this is almost that good. Very little looping in the listening lately. But I have been doing some looping live in this new band, I have been rediscovering the Vortex. On impulse, I hooked it up to a Hohner Pianet, and have been really digging that combo, very cool for short textural loops. In this band, I am making it a point NOT to loop any of the hammond stuff, but to play it all in real time, including all the left-hand bass lines. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:57:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC8B3BEE0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:56:50 EST Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4f.202900f0.34b50552_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3ddQVD.A.rTF.qt6gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c4f.202900f0.34b50552_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.tapeop.com.....it's FREE to both US and EUROPE.....lots-o-recording tips.....michael ".....donuts, is there anything they can't do?" 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http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID= =3Daolcmp00300000002489 --part1_c4f.202900f0.34b50552_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 16:57:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231703BEE1; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Recent Listening... Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:57:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi all My two big musical obsessions of late have been The Blue Nile and Nels Cline, especially his 'Nels Cline Singers' albums, and his work with The Scott Amendola Band and Jessica Lurie. What is definitely worth a look is the number of free downloads that Crytogramaphone have made available via last.fm - see the label page http://www.last.fm/label/Cryptogramophone/ there are two or three tracks from almost every album in the catalogue up there. I've been downloading loads of Nels' and Scott Amendola's stuff from emusic.com too... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 17:32:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49E03BED0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:32:01 +0100 To: loopers delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:32:08 +0000 (UTC) I am using the PSP84 (plugin) for it's fantastic plate and spring reverb sounds. unfortunately i could never really get it to loop, other than it would play a midi synced infinite delay of sorts. really don;t know more, but the soudn of it is very good. with love from New Weird Berlin ,-) --- jayrope http://kliklak.net http://rope.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com == wuh oh! == http://txp.kliklak.net/kliklak/kliklakofonie On 08.01.2008, at 17:23, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 17:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240C63BED6; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4783B882.5050909@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:53:06 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening... References: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:53:12 +0000 (UTC) I always love a Nels/Cryptogramaphone prop, I think he and the label deserve much wider recognition. I adore the Amendola band too (though I personally think Jeff Parker takes a big poop on the guitar frequencies of the latest one...). I'll have to check out the Blue Nile, reading about them makes me think of Talk Talk. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hi all > > My two big musical obsessions of late have been The Blue Nile and Nels > Cline, especially his 'Nels Cline Singers' albums, and his work with > The Scott Amendola Band and Jessica Lurie. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 18:56:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597033BEE1; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fb245d98-a190-4ef0-875e-57a6586c3530_" X-Originating-IP: [170.104.174.24] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Recent Listening... Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:56:10 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4783B882.5050909@mhorse.com> References: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> <4783B882.5050909@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2008 18:56:10.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[2224DDB0:01C85228] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC) --_fb245d98-a190-4ef0-875e-57a6586c3530_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll get in on this on... =20 Kruder & Dorfmeister--K&D Sessions John Abercrombie--Timeless Reich Remixed Aphex Twin -Selected Ambient Works Vol ll Todd Rundgren's Utopia ( reliving my misspent youth) Jackie O Motherfucker--several cds Tinariwen--all three of their wonderful cds =20 Peace in the New Year! J.D.Devros deafrose58> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:53:06 -0600> From: highhorse@mhorse.co= m> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Recent Listening..= .> > I always love a Nels/Cryptogramaphone prop, I think he and the label >= deserve much wider recognition. I adore the Amendola band too (though I > = personally think Jeff Parker takes a big poop on the guitar frequencies > o= f the latest one...).> > I'll have to check out the Blue Nile, reading abou= t them makes me think > of Talk Talk.> > Daryl Shawn> www.swanwelder.com> w= ww.chinapaintingmusic.com> > Hi all> >> > My two big musical obsessions of = late have been The Blue Nile and Nels > > Cline, especially his 'Nels Cline= Singers' albums, and his work with > > The Scott Amendola Band and Jessica= Lurie.>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= --_fb245d98-a190-4ef0-875e-57a6586c3530_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll get in on this on...
 
Kruder & Dorfmeister--K&D Sessions
John Abercrombie--Timeless
Reich Remixed
Aphex Twin -Selected Ambient Works Vol ll
Todd Rundgren's Utopia ( reliving my misspent youth)
Jackie O Motherfucker--several cds
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Peace in the New Year!
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deafrose58

> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:53:06 -0600
> From: h= ighhorse@mhorse.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>= Subject: Re: Recent Listening...
>
> I always love a Nels/Cry= ptogramaphone prop, I think he and the label
> deserve much wider re= cognition. I adore the Amendola band too (though I
> personally thin= k Jeff Parker takes a big poop on the guitar frequencies
> of the la= test one...).
>
> I'll have to check out the Blue Nile, readin= g about them makes me think
> of Talk Talk.
>
> Daryl S= hawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> = > Hi all
> >
> > My two big musical obsessions of late= have been The Blue Nile and Nels
> > Cline, especially his 'Nels= Cline Singers' albums, and his work with
> > The Scott Amendola = Band and Jessica Lurie.
>


Get the power of Window= s + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!= = --_fb245d98-a190-4ef0-875e-57a6586c3530_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:15:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3A7A3BED3; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080108141552.AGM5P.709223.root@fepweb14> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:15:52 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening... Cc: Daryl Shawn In-Reply-To: <4783B882.5050909@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Yo, I'm a big Nels fan too - I buy pretty much everything he does. But lately (today at least) I've been listening to a playlist in my iTunes = I call "Nordic Jazz" It includes various albums by: Terje Rypdal, Eivind Aarset, Nils Petter Mol= v=C3=A6r, Jan Garbarek, and Per Boysen. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Daryl Shawn wrote:=20 > I always love a Nels/Cryptogramaphone prop, I think he and the label=20 > deserve much wider recognition. I adore the Amendola band too (though I= =20 > personally think Jeff Parker takes a big poop on the guitar frequencies= =20 > of the latest one...). >=20 > I'll have to check out the Blue Nile, reading about them makes me think= =20 > of Talk Talk. >=20 > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Hi all > > > > My two big musical obsessions of late have been The Blue Nile and Nels= =20 > > Cline, especially his 'Nels Cline Singers' albums, and his work with=20 > > The Scott Amendola Band and Jessica Lurie. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2DE43BED6; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:18:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Recent listening (was: Re: Golden Ratio, anyone?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:18:58 +0000 (UTC) At 9:41 AM +0100 1/8/08, Per Boysen wrote: > >From the "Recently Played Songs" list: For whatever reason, mine are still mostly albums (unless my iPod's on shuffle): Blaine Reininger - Night Air Telefon Tel Aviv - Remixes Compiled David Byrne - The Catherine Wheel Boards of Canada - Trans Canada Highway Gary Numan - Jagged Hybrid - Morning Sci-Fi Hybrid - I Choose Noise Hashineen (various) - The End Of Law Trentemoller - The Last Resort Not much Looping really, although Rainer's new album -- Weird Specialist -- is on my "to listen" list just as soon as I can get the darn thing to download properly. --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:26:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94B93BEEC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6oc6kdnrvfTx0897CXyr0KUcRBZRi6M8WqEnX2MNea0O53QTrM2oxn+i7o1bFAxbSJUK7UToa9rxm9TVKbY/1RSVpCtbpxt8HroLpKYQqBu9iHizr0ZKiWrhhwnVf6lfnuV2cL0RuplhXpMcKrwaZBlIqQdFJVeLMX/4t0mLYFo=; X-YMail-OSG: E6gd92UVM1lqYNTeIWCbM3NwlFLD1r2SM795tcPEmXDaoKAvKX9p1sPfPoJDqPpawgPxAL9.ZfhXId78hk7IuiVqFG__d.8Z_JKye6ZwJgtCnQAN97c- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: listeneig To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <339281.6938.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, The Blue Nile YESS!!!!! I've been WAY into thier stuff since 83, although "peace at Last" was abit difficult. The rest of their stuff, I WANT TO SOUND LIKE THAT!!! Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:32:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09FC93BEE0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=muR2CwtInTilnv/1oUo7MKAR/sYpn/k9NxiJPjqDPPkAzF4zvgN+HegznzNayeCRBzz+PWEr1bwsF0Z/pf2twPSm7KjcaKVwtUqYWwOM3gfE2h3H2Tbe9ku49M/1N8mIc9MatgFe95EFMGQ70wczfi+CHlkX84iMG1eUQB1xc8o=; X-YMail-OSG: 1fGNm6sVM1mdhBNfgwZ89_lLFUm.qMEBGwB5mssXUnhoTB5THWW86GY6Z01zW2joOQ-- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: recent listening To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <93000.9703.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Boards of Canada, Orb, Ozark Mountain Daredevils, Future Sound of London, and Todd Rundgren(of course). Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:34:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C437D3BECF; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <50133.167.83.10.20.1199744243.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <4782963B.4090203@tiscali.co.uk> <50133.167.83.10.20.1199744243.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:34:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Mastering Aid was Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:34:17 +0000 (UTC) At 5:17 PM -0500 1/7/08, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >Mid last year I experimented with and started using Har-Bal. >http://www.har-bal.com/ > >It's pretty cool and has elminated those, "I tried it here and it was >great but there it sounds blah" situations. Once I've dialed in the >curves, I've yet to pop it into my car or any other sound system, and it >not sound right. Thanks for the tip, Plish! Unfortunately, Har-Bal isn't released for Mac yet, so I'm going to have to find one of my old PC lappies. No biggie, but I'm going to have to spend an evening digging through boxes. As it turns out, just last night I received the CD pressing with the aforementioned track on it. I'm not entirely satisfied with the way it turned out, but I think that's more to do with the fact that what I submitted was mostly unmastered. It was for a compilation, and I usually leave the mastering on compilations to whoever is assembling it, so that they can make the disc more unified as a whole. Unfortunately, it looks like almost everyone else turned in mastered tracks with the loudness maximized up to the moon. Mine sounds a little pale side-by-side with those. :P Looks like I gotta do some more work on this one before releasing it as an MP3. With any luck Har-Bal will help. Thanks again! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:39:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8293BEEE; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33249.167.83.10.20.1199821152.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: References: <000601c85165$14c460a0$1001a8c0@succubus> <4782963B.4090203@tiscali.co.uk> <50133.167.83.10.20.1199744243.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Mastering Aid was Re: AW: Powered Subs...on to mastering From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <88EFe.A.DFG.1F9gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:39:33 +0000 (UTC) You're welcome! I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it. Good Luck! ~peace~ Plish > At 5:17 PM -0500 1/7/08, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >>Mid last year I experimented with and started using Har-Bal. >>http://www.har-bal.com/ >> >>It's pretty cool and has elminated those, "I tried it here and it was >>great but there it sounds blah" situations. Once I've dialed in the >>curves, I've yet to pop it into my car or any other sound system, and it >>not sound right. > > Thanks for the tip, Plish! Unfortunately, Har-Bal isn't released for > Mac yet, so I'm going to have to find one of my old PC lappies. No > biggie, but I'm going to have to spend an evening digging through > boxes. > > As it turns out, just last night I received the CD pressing with the > aforementioned track on it. I'm not entirely satisfied with the way > it turned out, but I think that's more to do with the fact that what > I submitted was mostly unmastered. It was for a compilation, and I > usually leave the mastering on compilations to whoever is assembling > it, so that they can make the disc more unified as a whole. > Unfortunately, it looks like almost everyone else turned in mastered > tracks with the loudness maximized up to the moon. Mine sounds a > little pale side-by-side with those. :P > > Looks like I gotta do some more work on this one before releasing it > as an MP3. With any luck Har-Bal will help. > > Thanks again! > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 402D53BEF5; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=S22rn5sBBVqBQuw2S4QIlphcFN3OphwL3hgZnpnwFd0=; b=HkxBTw7sblJLIbUl/e14z9a9JETDipIyKny7uQJanZBNLECfbtEenmqpkkGgW8bbY3UG2qgWywc6rzXq0e9EC1CczQGHSXkMQfKbcPL1omIPZ/JJymXJra4CyiFE45Lq3ZtBjOIl4GNrJS7Y5h7hqmw3G/GIDBEX95Caj6hOu/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GKjqBImafwxUbHFQZ2uIZ0A9lu6mywi6YOAgLHpj8IdcyxjDybh41XrAJYTgOKD9wBzheuP4lKXRIY4/g+cJZ8xxugJZE9yQ0FD55NYsOUlQPxdW5+LDa4qOie4PaFPWGKTGZgukuQaSR6gYVz2K4Gerg8DsQzmiH7cU9V3SMYU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801081147v79c24a4cib19197f036dc8b67@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:47:10 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: listeneig In-Reply-To: <339281.6938.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <339281.6938.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:47:11 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 8:26 PM, bill bigrig wrote: The Blue Nile YESS!!!!! I've been WAY into thier > stuff since 83, > Rig "AAAAaaaahhhhhhh'm walking on the roof tops!" Yep, I think I found out about the Blue Nile around 83 too. Nice arrangements and song writing! Nice with that Sinatra touch in pop. Not many have done that since. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:51:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF003BEDC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4783A389.50007@mhorse.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801080041j327c7aby6cb6de4230fcd922@mail.gmail.com> <478353B5.7020505@vtx.ch> <4783A389.50007@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <336C06E1-FE9B-47FF-BC3D-0E0AC99AEAD6@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Recent listening Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:51:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:51:58 +0000 (UTC) The new Sigor Rios Robert Plant and Allison Krauss The new Scofield album On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > These threads are always great fun...I love recommendations from > this list. > > for me this past week or two: > > - Naked City: Complete (just saw your Bowie post, Loren..I love > going through entire catalogues) > - Henry Cow: Leg End (this band just resonates with me every time I > hear 'em) > - Zoe Keating: 1 Cello x16 (loop content!) > - So Percussion: So Percussion, Drumming, and Amid the Noise > - Cuong Vu: Come Play With Me and Bound (more loop content) > - Benjamin Verdery: Soepa and Branches > - Godflesh: Hymns > - Jaga Jazzist: The Stix (on Rick's recommendation...thanks bro!) > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 19:55:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6FC33BED6; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:55:15 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OdOEzr+Zs+s/RtgkdrUuZ+6XIZoM1RPFknjFlRMsMAzukajhsjOVxBY2GzMwibrf0zJH43ozNv/blkIJ30z7IoA74dM/5Poh2i1C7CGEKPwqJmk3YByjCxZvrIuaQJkcDiDMIoawgrJgcpEjTxH91CXKnka2X5eAYjxgBfyGjuI=; X-YMail-OSG: lHvlQJ0VM1keyBvcGABCBdlm80P7kbsoe6ezmVHY0nUbM35JlPrkThggBelQUW24a0ZRWHQ5IkGmVF73vlFgdcxQ_hzUzK1EnToRi9hQ7GQoBnSszm4w_SEAcEjvSg-- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Recent Listening... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-679430900-1199821713=:90765" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9SZ5rD.A.oMH.jU9gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:55:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-679430900-1199821713=:90765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been on a big 2nd Vienna School kick of late, so lots of Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern. On top of that, I reloaded the take-to-work ipod over the holidays and it's got: Nels Cline, John Adams, Thelonious Monk, Lee Konitz, Steve Lacy, Sonic Youth (still trying to 'get' them but I haven't yet and think I'm going to give up), Albert Ayler (you can never too much AA), Arcade Fire, Lounge Lizards, Barre Phillips, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Cuong Vu, Peter Brotzmann, Sunny Murray, Sonny Clark, Tom Cora, Lyle Mays, John Stevens, David Murray, Eric Chenaux, Gil Evans Orchestra, Joe McPhee, and William Parker. Sorry, not trying to brag, but I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called 'eclectic'. ted harms. "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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I've been on a big 2nd Vienna School kick of late, so lots of Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern.
 
On top of that, I reloaded the take-to-work ipod over the holidays and it's got: Nels Cline, John Adams, Thelonious Monk, Lee Konitz, Steve Lacy, Sonic Youth (still trying to 'get' them but I haven't yet and think I'm going to give up), Albert Ayler (you can never too much AA), Arcade Fire, Lounge Lizards, Barre Phillips, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Cuong Vu, Peter Brotzmann, Sunny Murray, Sonny Clark, Tom Cora, Lyle Mays, John Stevens, David Murray, Eric Chenaux, Gil Evans Orchestra, Joe McPhee, and William Parker.
 
Sorry, not trying to brag, but I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called 'eclectic'.
 
 
ted harms.
 


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Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-679430900-1199821713=:90765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:11:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D41B33BEDC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:11:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Recent Listening... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:11:29 +0000 (UTC) At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote: > >....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this >list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called >'eclectic'. <*sigh*> I know exactly what you mean. On one hand, it always keeps you looking for something new. On the other hand, it's extended well into my own work and has become the bane of my frickin' existence. Every time I come up with something interesting, I work on it for five minutes then I get bored and discard it. It's a wonder I ever finish anything (not that I do very often). :P --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:21:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B81983BEDE; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kBFN1yInXPSI2kp93aBKaq5BGAP0T8h4lm5I2F+dbHQ=; b=ue8gy7qnv6qgyHOltqgYdoZmX6jYTsjJA8CgeRJUc18NC2mxvTN8A387AgVtFqe0Q3mgRUAmSw8MeTKzEzWCmjJuqzlkOzCBPeArw+DG7jNpbsJYxgndPkIt3D9j+AiAmOoon4z3Y2/Zb/nGehZkedZ+UtUH5E+/94zjFkJiUmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GcjqEWgka6vOxjovzchDjY/gMudbbXu9JOvR/FAzVJZ0jmoPc3aWguIzLTSI+0MI79pOXNx4J3Rg1fYOii4Kg34KPWIQTRHU2J9UHGgt+O/Qc4vhyl9mp/u3+DR+xVcecoTmWgJwuEXjEo3EHtoSMxhh1d0rb65tDVCL6pDEcgA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0801081221t36519993v7ca41bce45eea609@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:21:30 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening... In-Reply-To: <20080108141552.AGM5P.709223.root@fepweb14> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4783B882.5050909@mhorse.com> <20080108141552.AGM5P.709223.root@fepweb14> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:21:32 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 11:15 AM, tEd (R) kiLLiAn wrote: > But lately (today at least) I've been listening to a playlist in my iTune= s I call "Nordic Jazz" What is it about Norway? It sure seems to produce a disproportionate amount of great music for its size. In addition to Eivind Aarset and Nils Petter Molv=E6r (er is great!), I've also been enjoying Bugge Wesseltoft and Supersilent. Supersilent 6 is just a great free electronic/jazz album. --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:22:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0104F3BEEC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4783DB8B.2020109@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:22:35 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening... References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Lemme guess...ya'll are Capricorns, aren't you? I was never much for astrology, but myself and an awful lot of my friends have this disease and we're all Caps! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this >> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called >> 'eclectic'. > > <*sigh*> I know exactly what you mean. On one hand, it always keeps > you looking for something new. On the other hand, it's extended well > into my own work and has become the bane of my frickin' existence. > > Every time I come up with something interesting, I work on it for five > minutes then I get bored and discard it. It's a wonder I ever finish > anything (not that I do very often). :P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 20:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726D53BEDC; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:44:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:44:26 +0000 (UTC) > At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote: >> >> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this >> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called >> 'eclectic'. > Lately for me, it has been: Tons of the very early 80's and rare and wacky and fun Ptose Productions (France) releases, the new Roedelius / collaborative project "Snapshots Sidesteps", the new 3CD box of the sndtrk to "Blade Runner" (w/ 3rd CD being all new music composed by Vangelis just for this special 3 CD set), Conrad Schnitzler ("Conrad and Sohn" and "Auf den Schwarzen Kanal" EP), various Michael Rother songs, King Crimson "Great Deceiver" (CD reissues of live shows 1973-1974), Cranioclast-"Iconclastor", Harmonia-"Live 1974", Moebius and Neumeier-"Zero Set II", "A John Waters Christmas"(hilarious compilation!), Electric Source (1993, s/t German release) some African Head Charge stuff, some traditional music from Okinawa, a sprinkling of some of The Residents, and MORE... ( but I'll stop there for now...) -Rev. Fever PS-Do all (and MORE) of the above musics ever "influence" me in any way, with my own stuff? Ye better BELIEVE it DOES! :-) PPS- Well, maybe not much of the stuff on the JW xmas CD, though. ( Or, DOES IT...!? ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 22:08:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8DAC3BED0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:08:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CYnrqZoEGYqS9ZbykQgDLWjavAF+li80hxCKfHfbWlE=; b=jXF9P3JmBaBQcRw1qxuqKPYCfGTev0sDQ+ukO+F/1yzCGXTW9iSCAz6E/9wUCDubGRgZstLgDG5kK3v1fOBF6GoJ1q49PgAGCvU3oRHy2rodEWvOvHzseU+fK0cuAX5Z1Wfo5ILnV7rtPTb15fH3BoDX3kWv1dVw4+Vn/lfzkKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=d09j3diJfA4n2c1zEtUWRNvzM1K9FB41/vID00Vm2BRUlOusEZ315DQtDCxZJWXBvTaGm4YaadiNdFfXVwinRnPHXIp74+cBXKPMYu07vM7YmPFNtkV/sTH22wu2zHq9xeOn2d5o1aJscu5txitAItyoJENxU3veN7BjqK8g1mE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:08:09 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21464_24335541.1199830089953" References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-XO7yC.A.Pk.LR_gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:08:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21464_24335541.1199830089953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline norwich loopfest, camera obscura, lofi-lazer, dhafer youssef, art metal, .... 2008/1/8, Rev Fever : > > > > At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote: > >> > >> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this > >> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called > >> 'eclectic'. > > > > Lately for me, it has been: > > Tons of the very early 80's and rare and wacky and fun Ptose > Productions (France) releases, the new Roedelius / collaborative > project "Snapshots Sidesteps", the new 3CD box of the sndtrk to > "Blade Runner" (w/ 3rd CD being all new music composed by Vangelis > just for this special 3 CD set), Conrad Schnitzler ("Conrad and Sohn" > and "Auf den Schwarzen Kanal" EP), various Michael Rother songs, King > Crimson "Great Deceiver" (CD reissues of live shows 1973-1974), > Cranioclast-"Iconclastor", Harmonia-"Live 1974", Moebius and > Neumeier-"Zero Set II", "A John Waters Christmas"(hilarious > compilation!), Electric Source (1993, s/t German release) some > African Head Charge stuff, some traditional music from Okinawa, a > sprinkling of some of The Residents, and MORE... ( but I'll stop > there for now...) > > -Rev. Fever > > PS-Do all (and MORE) of the above musics ever "influence" me in any > way, with my own stuff? Ye better BELIEVE it DOES! :-) > > PPS- Well, maybe not much of the stuff on the JW xmas CD, though. > ( Or, DOES IT...!? ) > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_21464_24335541.1199830089953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline norwich loopfest, camera obscura, lofi-lazer, dhafer youssef, art metal, ....

2008/1/8, Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com>:

> At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote:
>>
>> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this
>> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called
>> 'eclectic'.
>

Lately for me, it has been:

Tons of the very early 80's and rare and wacky and fun Ptose
Productions (France) releases, the new Roedelius / collaborative
project "Snapshots Sidesteps", the new 3CD box of the sndtrk to
"Blade Runner" (w/ 3rd CD being all new music composed by Vangelis
just for this special 3 CD set), Conrad Schnitzler ("Conrad and Sohn"
and "Auf den Schwarzen Kanal" EP), various Michael Rother songs, King
Crimson "Great Deceiver" (CD reissues of live shows 1973-1974),
Cranioclast-"Iconclastor", Harmonia-"Live 1974", Moebius and
Neumeier-"Zero Set II",  "A John Waters Christmas"(hilarious
compilation!), Electric Source (1993, s/t German release)  some
African Head Charge stuff, some traditional music from Okinawa, a
sprinkling of some of The Residents, and MORE...  ( but I'll stop
there for now...)

-Rev. Fever

PS-Do all (and MORE) of the above musics ever "influence" me in any
way, with my own stuff?  Ye better BELIEVE it DOES! :-)

PPS- Well, maybe not much of the stuff on the JW xmas CD, though.
( Or, DOES IT...!? )




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_21464_24335541.1199830089953-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 22:17:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C25F3BED9; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=I8rPxBeXoq5/OBHzBOmqkYUM2LUPTCyM3q64wgakwAaRoUS5Fx9UGdNID3FuwvVmrWStzSizkEzo08P6+U6M0cVoesy1Pk0rf4PWMuHf1AZ/19qb0Zxz2S5EwzJdy7QanzSLBcjZn7YqI8tI9uK8O3If9tR8Jdh6uikyteVUspQ=; X-YMail-OSG: dSSpErIVM1n_5j0lSAvyAI1bR8DLcw74BTziv.QhXB.bkF9DEs0H5hSbpnBaD1LB8THhFq1j01gkl9L9cCJFYu2F2A-- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Crackle during playback To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <129380.23368.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:17:46 +0000 (UTC) i have a similar problem with my RME FW800,the sound degrades really bad when i have more than one audio program open like soundforge,sonar or winamp. Luis --- milco_montagna@alice.it wrote: > Hi all, > I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear > about every minute and 5 seconds > > The problem occurs with every audio files and with > any software (for example, I tried with Windows > Media Player or with Audio file player in Bidule or > uploading a loop on a mobius track) > > The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4 > 2,2 Ghz 512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP > (XP partitioned using FAT file system) > > The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000 > (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I > tried with I-tunes or with Audio file player in > Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on > sooperlooper track) > > My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the > driver > > Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions > > > ********** > Scopri la nuova Alice Mail! > 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB > di allegati. > > Registrati GRATIS su > http://registra.rossoalice.alice.it/registra/basic/entratabasic.do?entryPoint=footer > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 22:21:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4083BEE0; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GIR158615UyISiNkuVGFqM4Y4ecyV1KK83TmEwGoJ7Flu2LZUAoRby28WeIaVOixcDS5XiBTIGMp0Wmi7dCl0/7+tGXBO40antkefAPcWEnOFVLWhB0+O0qySEOwSa3qUm84677N8umzOXLnCGPKmo3mbZwc4fA6fjyTEB7B2jg=; X-YMail-OSG: OOKFFFoVM1kRSMgJtviMCZrJ.d8JySJGvZ6QuHTQqYzwFiXc8JSmsiFrI_fiBng0.UFXqz4VJitagUf3k6uHcC.wOnnNNtfUNN0BgqYFr.GHNziS2t0- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <400005.92513.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5QiQTC.A.8bB.8d_gHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Fink-biscuits for breakfast no looping involved but great songwritting,and a very dynamical live trio,recently i had the pleasure of meeting him and i almost bought his spanish guitar(if i had only had the 1000.-eur there...) Luis --- Raul Bonell wrote: > norwich loopfest, camera obscura, lofi-lazer, dhafer > youssef, art metal, > .... > > 2008/1/8, Rev Fever : > > > > > > > At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote: > > >> > > >> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like > most people on this > > >> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, > other than being called > > >> 'eclectic'. > > > > > > > Lately for me, it has been: > > > > Tons of the very early 80's and rare and wacky and > fun Ptose > > Productions (France) releases, the new Roedelius / > collaborative > > project "Snapshots Sidesteps", the new 3CD box of > the sndtrk to > > "Blade Runner" (w/ 3rd CD being all new music > composed by Vangelis > > just for this special 3 CD set), Conrad Schnitzler > ("Conrad and Sohn" > > and "Auf den Schwarzen Kanal" EP), various Michael > Rother songs, King > > Crimson "Great Deceiver" (CD reissues of live > shows 1973-1974), > > Cranioclast-"Iconclastor", Harmonia-"Live 1974", > Moebius and > > Neumeier-"Zero Set II", "A John Waters > Christmas"(hilarious > > compilation!), Electric Source (1993, s/t German > release) some > > African Head Charge stuff, some traditional music > from Okinawa, a > > sprinkling of some of The Residents, and MORE... > ( but I'll stop > > there for now...) > > > > -Rev. Fever > > > > PS-Do all (and MORE) of the above musics ever > "influence" me in any > > way, with my own stuff? Ye better BELIEVE it > DOES! :-) > > > > PPS- Well, maybe not much of the stuff on the JW > xmas CD, though. > > ( Or, DOES IT...!? ) > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 8 23:56:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA2283BED6; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6ddf1227-bd42-43fe-9f95-aa2bb7143d70_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.42.92] From: samba - To: Subject: recent listening Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:56:42 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080108204426.F0EFD3BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080108204426.F0EFD3BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2008 23:56:42.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E369A70:01C85252] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:56:43 +0000 (UTC) --_6ddf1227-bd42-43fe-9f95-aa2bb7143d70_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just watched David Lynch's Inland Empire,the sound design ,which he did, is= stunning. Theurgic Seed Eva Ayllon- Afro Peruvian Ojos de Brujo Cybervixen- Psy-Trance Pendrecki Nina Simone Jai Uttal -Monkey-early album mostly intrumentals,his is one of the best fu= sions of jazz and Indian music Deepak Ram Gregorio McCluer Hedzoleh Soundz Aretha Live at the Fillmore-w/ Kurtis Knight,Jerry Jemmot,Billy Preston,Cor= nell DuPree,Bernard Purdee,and Ray Charles! Robbie Robertson-Contact from the Underground of Redboy Pusaka Sunda-Gamelan Degung The other thing in composition is opening up the unconscious. John Fahey _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TA= GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008= --_6ddf1227-bd42-43fe-9f95-aa2bb7143d70_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just watched David Lynch's Inland Empire,the sound design ,which he did, is= stunning.

Theurgic Seed
Eva Ayllon- Afro Peruvian
Ojos de Bru= jo
Cybervixen- Psy-Trance
Pendrecki
Nina Simone
Jai Uttal -Monk= ey-early album mostly intrumentals,his is one of the best fusions of jazz a= nd Indian music
Deepak Ram
Gregorio McCluer
Hedzoleh Soundz
Are= tha Live at the Fillmore-w/ Kurtis Knight,Jerry Jemmot,Billy Preston,Cornel= l DuPree,Bernard Purdee,and Ray           Charles!=
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Pusaka Sunda= -Gamelan Degung

The other thing in composition = is opening up the unconscious.
John Fahey



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Start now! = --_6ddf1227-bd42-43fe-9f95-aa2bb7143d70_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:03:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119AC3BEDD; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=059fjy65HoU/2l0BaHhHXUBFjXzD3d2AACmf/HfjUGI=; b=FU7cqLxUQrIZawQ5AgGPz0YWBhK2meewPvmsWHgGqabBNHxX+/oBw2R5cMB9uHyRTotkc8DYATLfHBjgfUafkVc5OnhPxR4ZYlYsBMTCkJ+onn5sT8B6VtkKBnkUF0tYoarlLXhxOVJ0jT5C1OCx2Z10RgIVGi2PmS8fGrO7UBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XZ1mT3fiazmf4JO8EZbM2MvKa8FyCeLpmFD0OMfIZfsBPGql04AghuCacvAiXIHwT2Q8JArdaafMWRh1PYP3QEcsKequUsLnXps7fOAW0WiNUAq4n0br7AFRqTRgK/PqJs0qFnmoUDTvNso+504Tb7QCe6r/SuaE9pZm4ufUrns= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801081603r7b6f141ayacdce8eb2ece715e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:03:11 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Fav Plugins For Looping (was: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ?) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801081557x5620e12fhf415bdb3cf758cc9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801081557x5620e12fhf415bdb3cf758cc9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:03:14 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 4:40 PM, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > Thanx Per, also Todd answer to my question, but not so deeply as you made > ;-) > It will be nice can listren to some samples of the effects your are talking > about. > If you have time, post it, but please remeber that this night i will have a > trip to Venice (for my legal job, not for music.... unfortunatly) and i'll > stay out of my PC till next monday. > So leave it on the server for a while (i'll let you know when i'll download > it) or upload it further. > Thanks again ! > > Best > fabio Ok, have a nice trip to Venice! I recorded a quick tour through my Favorite VST Plugins For Looping. I thought it should not be very long but it ended up in a 20 min mp3 even though I rushed through my 16 VST effect patches. Here's the audio clip for listening. http://www.looproom.com/audio/pboys_fav_vst_plugins.mp3 And here's the same information in text, pasted from my text based backup: (all plugins cabled up in Plogue Bidule before the Mobius VST looper) Main Input: Sonalkis SV-517 EQ (thinning out bass to make room in the frequency spectrum for layering loops) Splitting signal into 16 alternative Sound Patch paths: --> SOUND PATCH LEVEL Patch 1: PSP608MD (plate reverb) Patch 2: PSP608MD (plate reverb) Discord2 (harmonizer adding -12 and -5) Patch 3: PSP608MD (plate reverb) Discord2 (harmonizer adding -5 and +5, Harmonizer's Feedback affected to input level by en Envelope Follower Bidule module) Patch 4: Ronin Patch 5: Ronin Pluggo Speed Shifter, by JHNO (preset: Crystalline) Patch 6: Discord2 Patch 7: PSP Nitro Pluggo Raindrops Patch 8: PSP84 (Rain Forrest) Patch 9: PSP Nitro Patch 10: PSP Nitro Pluggo Feedback Network Patch 11: OhmForce Hematohm (ring modulator) PSP608MD (plate reverb) Patch 12: Ronin OhmForce Mobilohm Patch 13: AmpliTube 2 Jimi Hendrix (wha) Patch 14: AmpliTube 2 Jimi Hendrix (Octa-V) Patch 15: AmpliTube 2 Jimi Hendrix (Octa-V) Patch 16: 1st Signal Split: A going directly to tb_cairo, B going as below: Pitch-Shifter (+5. Available for free at www.braindoc.de) PSP608MD (plate reverb) 2nd Signal Split: A going directly to output. B going as below: OhmForce Ohmboys (filtered delay with no direct signal let through) tb_cairo --> GLOBAL LEVEL: Mobiius VST looper software (Looper Input receiving all 16 Sound Patch paths, although only one is active at a given moment) Sonalkis SV-517 EQ (cutting out bass under 40 Hz) Sonalkis SV-315 Compressor (balancing live playing dynamics against loopers dynamics for an "alive" sound) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:36:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3E33BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003301c85257$989568a0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4783DB8B.2020109@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Recent Listening... Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:35:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Just turned 51 after Christmas.. Easily bored but at times disturbed by my ability to hide it out of what could be good manners. I've begun to wonder a bit after The Equatorial Stars myself. It was the first CD with Fripp and/or Eno that I found myself bored and waiting for the next track (this during my Crushed Finger Period last year, when I was trapped in Listening-Only Ville. I know! I know! Don't throw anything! > Lemme guess...ya'll are Capricorns, aren't you? I was never much for > astrology, but myself and an awful lot of my friends have this disease and > we're all Caps! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> >>> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like most people on this list, >>> my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, other than being called 'eclectic'. >> >> <*sigh*> I know exactly what you mean. On one hand, it always keeps you >> looking for something new. On the other hand, it's extended well into my >> own work and has become the bane of my frickin' existence. >> >> Every time I come up with something interesting, I work on it for five >> minutes then I get bored and discard it. It's a wonder I ever finish >> anything (not that I do very often). :P > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 00:52:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D88AE3BED0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c85259$dc60d680$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20080108204426.F0EFD3BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: recent listening Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:52:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Strangely (or not) not much looping material below: That's What I Call Sweet Music (bits from R. Crumb's 78 collection) The Devil's Music (Keith Richards' favorites compiled for Uncut magazine) Apostrophe (Don't Eat the Yellow Snow is great Christmas music) Remain in Light - Talking Heads (special CD/DVD-surround pair remastered by Harrison) Speaking in Tongues - Talking Heads (another CD/surround DVD pair, made me hog the 5.1 player) Robert Johnson - The Complete Recordings (Columbia's is still the best of the bunch) Diamond Dogs - Bowie (memories of that show at the Tower in Philly abound) Heathen - Bowie (thoughts of home listening to "Everyone Says Hi") The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - Genesis (remastered, return of the subwoofer in "Back in NYC") Sacred Songs - Daryl Hall (remastered release via DGM, oddly enough there's the sound of a vinyl 'pop' on it) Harlem Jazz - 20s and 30s (collection including the greats incl Cab Calloway) Been playing nylon strings on a guitar my wife played as a child. Nothing sounds quite like the vibrato-tremolo that one gets on nylon, and you can really zamm it without killing your fingertips. Much. :) It's 2008. Where the hell's my flying car? Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:14:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0CC3BECC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 459 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:14:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hyGxNDv/LUsiVmc4R2DrJHj40KZTv4dH55GFIijbNrY=; b=x/e8SmbmHMu32EgkAu8rpc9A7ueZtoPH2y0nP5Osxlpdne60KrUIct8Pl79nsTdGaiqFNrOr/u52XxIAxnMd1Xqiqko0JMBDuo2KBywgJH60S9xBHAcbh3ByBtNHVqRTzcCNzkpI8q+RrFbmK74M6MP5M3SCQJRUB+irghdizEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oeI2SxwQsszHPcxi6rJUbgdXNdFY2GPupVCIdXS1rI/5aEMwhZ6Pyrydi6aJaDV7uaxaDq0YRerNnVx6j6mY2QucQ9ymkw0Gfkl9wCKVcrgwJVVVtzwPy1DCQId+UWrkJGlOR8/I3pkOJ0P9UE9J3CtjE/bM/6rDDZVZrJwQs3o= Message-ID: <27b918b80801081707m43a8ec03qa8f96d5047fe9176@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:07:13 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jens_=C5gren?=" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent Listening... In-Reply-To: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <67AF06C9-EA75-4047-B83B-20D3C10221F7@steve-lawson.co.uk> <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:14:56 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 8, 2008 8:48 PM, ditch wrestler wrote: > On top of that, I reloaded the take-to-work ipod over the holidays and it= 's > got: Nels Cline, John Adams, Thelonious Monk, Lee Konitz, Steve Lacy, Son= ic > Youth (still trying to 'get' them but I haven't yet and think I'm going t= o > give up) Nah, don't! Listen to the track 'Diamond Sea' from Washing Machine and let = your thoughts just float away. Amazing track. And loads of others of course. It'= s one of these groups many people don't get until a divine power someday strikes and everything falls in place and gets comprehensible. :-) > Albert Ayler (you can never too much AA), Arcade Fire, Lounge > Lizards, Barre Phillips, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, Cuong Vu, Peter > Brotzmann I saw Peter Br=F6tzmann in the group Sonore togheter with Ken Vandermark and Mats Gustafsson a month ago. Amazing freeform stuff. Mats Gustafsson have also played together with Sonic Youth and released a few record with Thurston and Jim O'Rourke as Diskaholics Anonymous Trio. Also great freeform stuff. /Jens From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:22:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9C753BED0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 832 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:22:19 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <442D1461-49D5-419C-B904-0E6F3CCE487E@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: OT: no power Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:08:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-Server-Quench: 618b812a-be4f-11dc-9554-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVUfTAfARpo UEhBUlJTHgVgCx4H SBgYTBhwdhtEfGBx YEV9XHVZWVt6Oxt9 S09caipdZWJjaGUc Hkdeck1ScQsYdh5H O00tAXdbfGQGMil9 TlJuY3VpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsEZnpZVjg7 DwgFAjg1dWlk X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:787/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <3gQay.A.HVE.LHChHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:22:19 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers, well, we were sorely hit by the california storms last week and have been without power since thursday. it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, showering, internet access or looping. i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles from home and its awfully nice to read all the looping news and think about something else! appreciatively, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:31:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93BDB3BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 355632.13131.bm@omp509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dI1DOCQORmY8SRl4o+FBGcVlGDbGO9Q1ES2MjTMPaVHwrpmpMISujo+jniPGyWv4S9FcLMbkw2zoib5Wdub4El67M7h8fDLjzQ56uA7HvSyAi/IY5NlnbNAB0yD/AzAOm48NFfh9059vSxf8nwiYZ+elRdQ6R41wdqo56Ryp6q0=; X-YMail-OSG: Xp9LBzEVM1nqOqn68pkhuhBdQwGVLU4Nm8ux0fd5vbK.KRuWYt9w0AMf63bAwj6srAC_rjnZvhOOuvTbL8poUY5r6ttu1J7vYJ5Ue49umtnukOcJooT6EBuhZUTYaQ-- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:31:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: no power To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <442D1461-49D5-419C-B904-0E6F3CCE487E@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <986704.52323.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Ouch! This is the middle day of the 10th anniversary of a three-day ice storm that was the biggest natural disaster to ever hit Maine. Over half the state was without electricity, some for three weeks! That was no fun at all. Hope normalcy returns asap! -t- --- info at zoekeating wrote: > hi loopers, > well, we were sorely hit by the california storms > last week and have > been without power since thursday. > it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, > showering, internet > access or looping. > i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles > from home and its > awfully nice to read all the looping news and think > about something > else! > appreciatively, > zoe > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:48:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E6E3BECD; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:34:47 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Golden Ratio, anyone? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c85261$fb3acfe0$0202a8c0@Belkin> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC) After a couple of hours of further tinkering, I have some more to report about my Golden Ratio delay settings. I've been using the delays built into the Boss GT-8 guitar multi-FX processor. The total delay time (a wimpy 1800ms) can be split into two delays of 900ms each. The delays can then be set to various configurations, including series and parallel. When I first posted on this, I believe I mistakenly said I used the delays in parallel. Not. Series is the most fun. Here's what I found to work the best: Set Delay 1 to whatever length you like. I'll use 500ms as an example. Set the feedback fairly high, like 90% to 100%. Consider this your primary delay. Set Delay 2 to "phi," a.k.a. the inverse of the Golden Ratio, in this case 500 x .618 or 309ms. Set the feedback fairly high. I like to set this delay's level moderately low and roll off some high end - it can get pretty metallic as it approaches oscillation. Play one or two notes. Delay 1 will retain a pulse-like even rhythm, but Delay 2 will begin to "fill in" around the pulse of Delay 1 like a cloud. I am calling my patches with this delay ratio the "phiGhost." I played around with a few other ratios at random, and nothing sounds like this. All the other ratios I tried tend to sound like either lopsided rhythms or wobbly rhythms. Once Delay 1 establishes its pulse, you play any kind of sub-pulse over it (eighths, sixteenths, slightly swung sixteenths, triplets, whatever) and the phiGhost will seem to support it, tending to emphasize the rhythm NO MATTER WHAT YOU PLAY, all the while continuing to generate this groovy note-cloud to fill in the spaces. By the way, if you use two delays in parallel instead of series, the delay set to phi will just kind of flicker around the pulse of the primary delay in a kind of cool-annoying, never-in-a-groove way. Next on my list of experiments: Using the third delay in the GT-8 along with my phiGhost delays. Setting my heftier Boss DD-20s up in phiGhost mode. Looooonnnnnnggggg phiGhost! BIG phiGhost! Yours in the center of the nautilus shell... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 01:52:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6773BEE7; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1492 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:52:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Q4O6+Cl46K3FSSFD05NlDbUzWYQ9vVz5jT6xcTwnR8=; b=kJ4ozBJ4XW4m7obL77I0wehpESV0DkRLVr0WLtJ8n/FUBm8lzlW+EbUh1pzNeqrv0TfuJCa1Di7jAWT3uT66AMbZn1BzvQdKoKQ52xgh6AyrkTLEaxajmpiEyDI/rKPT37MAs3sbFxx+b4mCiBIgzgdNocg3oNMBVgsSEh7DXJY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=icEezU00VCArAQPv4x21/QsVfCsgugh60+MZJIUJLm8dbqIVYYqDJUdkgPvpmSGhTfb9QG0iRl0nUYWCz6jBcLcWxARHv9IDGPHcRjMAyZh1T+BcuV+UX1BTisbQiJKMAAfmiVzS/QSuDlDEGCsIa5kVksw/g58IVyQuo9Hx/aE= Message-ID: <478422FD.9030007@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:27:25 -0600 From: Daniel Dingeldein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up References: <442D1461-49D5-419C-B904-0E6F3CCE487E@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <442D1461-49D5-419C-B904-0E6F3CCE487E@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <72baxB.A.CZF.njChHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 01:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in regards to signal flow and where his loopers are located on the chain? Thanks Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 02:42:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6953BED9; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7bGdAp_8f6IA:10 a=HI2MyhgoMoPsymOnbFcA:9 a=6g4Q_hNPLef6VIXCS_Ih5KKbtD0A:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=3GpFfzojnSEA:10 a=FEaNhf3AWQsA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001d01c85269$4a67f5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <400005.92513.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:42:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Last 12 played- The Mars Volta - Amputecture Puscifer - V is for Vagina Mastica Tu - Tu David Torn - Prezens Miles Davis - 1958 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way Cuong Vu - Its Mostly Residual Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombone Buckethead - Decoding The Tomb Of Bansheebot John Schofield - Enroute Book Of Knots - Traineater ok 13 I'll stop now... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) > Fink-biscuits for breakfast > no looping involved but great songwritting,and a very > dynamical live trio,recently i had the pleasure of > meeting him and i almost bought his spanish guitar(if > i had only had the 1000.-eur there...) > Luis > > --- Raul Bonell wrote: > >> norwich loopfest, camera obscura, lofi-lazer, dhafer >> youssef, art metal, >> .... >> >> 2008/1/8, Rev Fever : >> > >> > >> > > At 11:48 AM -0800 1/8/08, ditch wrestler wrote: >> > >> >> > >> ....I get bored semi-easily and, probably like >> most people on this >> > >> list, my tastes aren't easily pigeonholed, >> other than being called >> > >> 'eclectic'. >> > > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 03:33:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE843BEDD; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 03:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 120755.77839.bm@omp402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=is0S95kSKUf6rIB2Q5gSXPsDZGi6DsDw/Yg+Cq0eElWEa70+uRKD66u629H4/dAa/PPuD9jI2amyHoSptoUh8ypan/1y2hLXtA7ypfg8aZer4ARIN+AUTaYpx899N00jmPrJbc+KVNAyyECILgR6nuumr7EXZdzDnz0GlMCTdcw=; X-YMail-OSG: CtPYV4UVM1mnUp3KxzZqS3SLVaDz0obXT6T57lWpv5OhHl7DK.YmDio7zStJeEnyRr1xDUUHTq1.S6s.QuiFXWiq59cxnyr6KhQtJ8NMaOJ90EfFwGOCkBKK4uTjaA-- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478422FD.9030007@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <845309.8123.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 03:33:07 +0000 (UTC) A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: (Scroll down...) -t- --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in > regards to signal flow > and where his loopers are located on the chain? > Thanks > > Daniel > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 03:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8BE23BEE2; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=g2F/xJ3yfrGX12e7gxjSj8UHiPfvICHjSoSUwCsoD8GIhJB50bSU1kKMdb1cN6rksra26d9F24SN/pdGpSWU4YvT2r58s8JSwW3JeGieooH1KVA/4ujfhCNMBHlvQpSsnzXqdEF4nuHH/CTld8cSwLptNvPQAj3LLzTLyOr45rA=; X-YMail-OSG: UDJ7JFIVM1nBG7YtxmJtI3FzO2nULDfq.Aym3WdXbVYRWcZBy5K5yXuoZ53nyQddawhnzP4c8DeSPWhK4Jo5YykcpvloNOSes9XYSueDXY_wgiJwujc- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: no power To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <442D1461-49D5-419C-B904-0E6F3CCE487E@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <514352.78788.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) may the power be with you soon! cheers Luis --- info at zoekeating wrote: > hi loopers, > well, we were sorely hit by the california storms > last week and have > been without power since thursday. > it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, > showering, internet > access or looping. > i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles > from home and its > awfully nice to read all the looping news and think > about something > else! > appreciatively, > zoe > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 05:03:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9ADC3BED3; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 05:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:07:40 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: On the Air (online) - Thursday 7pm (Boston time) - WBOS 92.9 FM-HD Channel 2 To: Message-id: <001301c8527d$8fd43d60$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20080103093614.09B413BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> <005c01c84e31$aae5a580$0202a8c0@Belkin> <477D28B0.1020204@tiscali.co.uk> <477D2A9C.7090609@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 05:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi - Just a quick note to say that if you're online this Thursday at 7pm (Boston time), you can hear a buch of music from my last gazillion years of guitar playing, including tracks from: - Womb to Tomb - The Letter A - .little a. - Super-Cannes - UNDO So, if you're curious, or just like hearing a person make a fool of himself on radio (that would be me), tune in this Thursday January 10. Thursday 7:00 - 9:00 - WBOS 92.9 FM-HD Channel 2 STREAMing online: http://tuner1.dc1.sonixtream.com/solon/media/tuner/Tuner?aff=wbosovereasycafe&useSame=True&type=IE Want to find out more? check here> http://www.radioyouboston.com David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 08:21:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9557D3BEDA; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:21:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=M2ujS4BJh2ONYkIfMBXU1KSMPwLW7yXul2sjuJ+wfJW+ONUd3uXhadUDVW020+cA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5723917.1199866892525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:21:32 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: no power Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48e934d7c54d13816d29218528d2e9756878c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:21:33 +0000 (UTC) sorta reminds me of SF, CA. in '89 after the earthquake-no power-no water-no nothin. i had my '63 strat out on the steps of my building at dusk, playin-it sounded so cool-no other sound around in downtown major city- somebody walked by while i was playin and said-'whataya gonna plug into now'...i jus kept on astrummin... good luck s >hi loopers, >well, we were sorely hit by the california storms last week and have >been without power since thursday. >it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, showering, internet >access or looping. >i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles from home and its >awfully nice to read all the looping news and think about something >else! >appreciatively, >zoe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 10:55:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2C543BEE1; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=vbBi0yx3c6oEXHAEg9GrQ+GMqyROpJqhbwC5W+xdKm4=; b=f51uS9FAV3p+Yzl67ykL4JYMLIvYVeEs6TTTewNJYMsZCOKGOdYhL7BqNm4uWiYyUz7FbmRV6vs8H5J0tTQSaGqyM3FVEOiA8SyXPuM98on+SfpugWL0dVWjcnVLxXosOZ+HW/ogCFCY1gpLCMfdOZV/dOyWVqithK7rkSph9HE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=M3oILbX8iUiDB3vlaJY1ORaRnfl1BGmsZBbDMmDQFWbCd1mEzSUqPQuH093AUkE1oeBYc87uyzEMNe88gVkMDq6UwL3ncNkqYWi8zmN3+PSm7+WmbibC0FLKcElxQo7u3eAkp86m80s0kLvbtOCkqzj0uVYr+rJdI/9kFhc04ok= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:49:08 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: on radio Wed, show on Thurs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I'm on the radio tomorrow, at 2pm Pacific Time, being interviewed about my music-making process & inspiration. It will be at www.kusf.org, or if you're in San Francisco, 90.3FM. Also, I have a show on Thursday night at the Luggage Store gallery, premiering my newly powered FilterQueen as part of the drum machine rig. There will also be good music by Kristin Miltner and Agnes Szelag on the bill. Thu 1/10 8:00 PM Luggage Store Gallery Experimental Music Series 1007 Market St. @ 6th Street, San Francisco $6-10 sliding dcale 8:15 pm: Matt Davignon - drum machine 8:45 pm: Kristin Miltner - computer/MAX 9:30 pm: Agnes Szelag - electronics/projections Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 11:51:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48B333BEDD; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4iFyvY7j+0osVQDDwpqx4jwJ8MGovppGfHDe2ijVrxb1tGvdbJ5bhWftKxkAeee2JTbzUG01wYeAZ/bJO25ilUaIxwT5dK/DqliNMN4cZDkyYvsDfmNe3qPZoR9KwT+3PGSN0aJae6Mns2VaRazyJMaeoNRbe/pnglLtg7d2qE4=; X-YMail-OSG: Ts9IDOAVM1lMHr42VUrWsSui0DPuMU9RyczzMh4bfmP3QTlJd.2OpV3EoA_UzHHCbRlrhRa6U1zYTlsBF7w4q6YSTd3jbnvraeYxjMTk3wctrFvkgqZEaK.pdjtkZw-- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 03:50:58 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: OT: no power To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <5723917.1199866892525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1079910265-1199879458=:57213" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <883061.57213.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:51:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1079910265-1199879458=:57213 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At the start of Aug '03 blackout that hit Ontario, NY, etc. and put 50million people in the dark, my wife and I didn't even notice - I was playing my double bass and she was spinning wool on her (manual) spinning wheel. We were already 17th century and weren't affected by the loss of juice! ;-) It took us about two hours to realize that something was up and didn't know the extent of it until we sat in the car and listened to the radio (the only news source that would work). We went out for a walk that night with the dog and it seemed that tons of people were out, too, just casually strolling around. It was weird to hear how quiet a city could be and how friendly people could became. ted. stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: sorta reminds me of SF, CA. in '89 after the earthquake-no power-no water-no nothin. i had my '63 strat out on the steps of my building at dusk, playin-it sounded so cool-no other sound around in downtown major city- somebody walked by while i was playin and said-'whataya gonna plug into now'...i jus kept on astrummin... good luck s >hi loopers, >well, we were sorely hit by the california storms last week and have >been without power since thursday. >it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, showering, internet >access or looping. >i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles from home and its >awfully nice to read all the looping news and think about something >else! >appreciatively, >zoe > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-1079910265-1199879458=:57213 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At the start of Aug '03 blackout that hit Ontario, NY, etc. and put 50million people in the dark, my wife and I didn't even notice - I was playing my double bass and she was spinning wool on her (manual) spinning wheel.  We were already 17th century and weren't affected by the loss of juice! ;-)

It took us about two hours to realize that something was up and didn't know the extent of it until we sat in the car and listened to the radio (the only news source that would work).

We went out for a walk that night with the dog and it seemed that tons of people were out, too, just casually strolling around.  It was weird to hear how quiet a city could be and how friendly people could became.


ted.



stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:
sorta reminds me of SF, CA. in '89 after the earthquake-no power-no water-no nothin. i had my '63 strat out on the steps of my building at dusk, playin-it sounded so cool-no other sound around in downtown major city-
somebody walked by while i was playin and said-'whataya gonna plug into now'...i jus kept on astrummin...
good luck
s


>hi loopers,
>well, we were sorely hit by the california storms last week and have
>been without power since thursday.
>it's hard to say what i miss the most: heat, showering, internet
>access or looping.
>i'm plugged in at an internet cafe about 10 miles from home and its
>awfully nice to read all the looping news and think about something
>else!
>appreciatively,
>zoe
>
>
>




"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard

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Email ID # 1009 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 13:06:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77C43BEE0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 710452204 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:05:53 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCDF9A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <001d01c85269$4a67f5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Thread-Index: AchSwF2AjhmfVdHNQTG2wYc16EZmFg== References: <001d01c85269$4a67f5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2008 13:05:54.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DFCB4A0:01C852C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:06:10 +0000 (UTC) this whole thread has reassured me that I am on the right list. :-) btw (mech, anyone), are telefon tel aviv anything to do with tuxedomoon? duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 14:48:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BCDD3BED0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:48:18 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Recent listening MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.58.65.145 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:48:23 +0000 (UTC) - Marcus Miller - Maceo Parker - David Sylvian - Future sound of London - Sigur Ros - and many many loopers-delight mp3's =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp:= //www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851313BED2; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=bQi7IHAW4mw0P5Ayxan6PhK7XuPhUmj8pJfCDxkfrwo=; b=l8EqswGJ923hj6sn1YAKcuofSCdWtmdZRtRJv3ckckWx5mS2O7qbikTvFWc6gXvRDJ4T0eY0s6AVAkN4peqzKzsALQJfYLpQKZ500lrHHjSh01KKvaptuhlHtA1dnRT5sxgYGPds1CRldIH6Ezl3w+F+fPAuLMCQRg5W/1On8rw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pBvtLCLxEq/1HggL/O5JYSI9HAWfG94kvwa5Hh3f7ig8fLGT4VNV1WN8zHM7Hr4Cb5Pb9ilfTNDiZiuXEHgKiRhgYFzOJNrwu5jhyB1dq82FbVnbpS9Ely+IkXBRnd+yOgvZAE+fZdGV91efmanRbU/uiUmxZIabRoZl/U5lA6M= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0801090718x508e0f33xd90e04acc378a792@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:18:00 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1003_6304066.1199891880603" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:18:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1003_6304066.1199891880603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo?-Miles On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak wrote: > - Marcus Miller > - Maceo Parker > - David Sylvian > - Future sound of London > - Sigur Ros > - and many many loopers-delight mp3's > > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_1003_6304066.1199891880603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo?
-Miles

On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
- Marcus Miller
- Maceo Parker
- David Sylvian
- Future sound of London
- Sigur Ros
- and many many loopers-delight mp3's

---
Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...
http://www.scarlet.be/




--
---Miles Ward
------=_Part_1003_6304066.1199891880603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:57:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE283BEE2; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <845309.8123.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <845309.8123.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:56:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:57:26 +0000 (UTC) That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has stringent rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if its christian. On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: > > > (Scroll down...) > > -t- > > --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > >> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in >> regards to signal flow >> and where his loopers are located on the chain? >> Thanks >> >> Daniel >> >> > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 15:59:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237B03BEF9; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0801090718x508e0f33xd90e04acc378a792@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cf76a0b0801090718x508e0f33xd90e04acc378a792@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-396314327 Message-Id: <129235AF-A48D-4F96-B90D-118C361732D5@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Recent listening Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:58:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:59:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-396314327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed George Porter? On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:18 AM, miles ward wrote: > Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo? > -Miles > > On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak wrote: > - Marcus Miller > - Maceo Parker > - David Sylvian > - Future sound of London > - Sigur Ros > - and many many loopers-delight mp3's > > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > > > > > -- > ---Miles Ward --Apple-Mail-2-396314327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII George Porter?
On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:18 AM, miles ward wrote:

Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo?
-Miles

On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
- Marcus Miller
- Maceo Parker
- David Sylvian
- Future sound of London
- Sigur Ros
- and many many loopers-delight mp3's

---
Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...
http://www.scarlet.be/




--
---Miles Ward

--Apple-Mail-2-396314327-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:00:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAE553BEFB; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801080507h367242fk4f387e0fd09cae8e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bf141790801061307j54098710j852657e6b50bc965@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801061525w7c3c5b07ge6b9791d46992dfb@mail.gmail.com> <478202CB.5010301@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0801070306t2e5b933du77177d0c75247160@mail.gmail.com> <15380C75-B9B2-4488-BED9-6FEDCF4E5950@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801071039m32e7b7fbse0a62a90f338daca@mail.gmail.com> <20080107190221.GA32577@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> <7bf141790801071532l21aff0cbw6f839b9d5b09d217@mail.gmail.com> <59A9173A-2395-405C-973D-8D95F4549CDD@mac.com> <66f9cc1e0801080507h367242fk4f387e0fd09cae8e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1285EDC4-FB40-4AB5-AD72-E812BB3A86DD@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Laptop live looping (new issue) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:00:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Well that seems stupid. Will it run in Rewire I wonder? It would be nice to sync to Live or Logic. On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 8, 2008 1:56 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: >> I use a Motu Ultralite with Live 7 and Sooperlooper. I will >> probably check >> out the repeater VST, if it ever is released. > > > I'm sorry, but the Virtual Repeater Pro will probably never be > released as a VST plug-in. It is a indeed a standalone host > application. But you can load VST plug-ins into the VRP. The press > release doesn't tell but I think someone on this list said it can run > four VST plug-ins. May that be one per channel? > > The VRP is described here: > http://www.electrixpro.com/vr_press.pdf > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:22:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 862583BEF6; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes Message-ID: <81D1AAC8D5F9452DBA8DE53A50A2F38D@PCvanelkeenje> From: "Jeroen De Rycke" To: Subject: help out the newbie Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:22:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C852E4.30F6A230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 Resent-Message-ID: <163G_.A.KBE.1SPhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:22:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C852E4.30F6A230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello all, first post here, long time LD-reader. After years of getting away from = the guitar i rediscovered my love for the instrument. As i have a new = laptop i was wondering how to loop with it. My only (happy) looping = experience is the line6 and shortly a repeater. What do i want, well = something like this in software, some fx (vst,...). The computer runs = vista. 1) audio interface (2in-2out), nothing to = fancy(line6,behringer,m-audio,...)what about latency? 2) software (mobius, vst host,.......)? 3) controller? Planning to use my acoustic through a boss me50 for tonal shaping,basic = sculpting of the sound, the pc for looping mission control, advanced = home entertainment. thank you, the belgium connection, jeroen ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C852E4.30F6A230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello all,
 
first post here, long time LD-reader. = After years=20 of getting away from the guitar i rediscovered my love for the = instrument. As i=20 have a new laptop i was wondering how to loop with it. My only = (happy)=20 looping experience is the line6 and shortly a repeater. What do i = want,=20 well something like this in software, some fx (vst,...). The computer = runs=20 vista.
 
1) audio interface (2in-2out), nothing = to=20 fancy(line6,behringer,m-audio,...)what about latency?
2) software (mobius, vst=20 host,.......)?
3) controller?
 
Planning to use my acoustic through a = boss me50 for=20 tonal shaping,basic sculpting of the sound, the pc for looping mission = control,=20 advanced home entertainment.
 
thank you,
the belgium connection,
 
jeroen
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C852E4.30F6A230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:35:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2C03BF01; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:35:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KY69uTj9BTy/p+A6vUEnR+rwy9E1+tylJhrxfNpgAzd33e4bFPsDoehQMZn3bIKyHr3fWOkpONk3MHICI/FOD2mEekuSjJvSFXh/Ib7Et0z8Xo0GwPhC1cHDSik1aMtHKXlqwcbLJ49wUcLlqaA73HJaVBRSOMIb0IcKOESyrIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: yoe5O3IVM1l9usKEzgBdYWdAsW1JDeHC7pXVROqgqaK4RrOQFyp4SEWk7_viMo_t4iflKGtoHNdaP9qW4IWXyoYf2fXgZG9BcbEXLhE6JzqnrZFR7xkqKbFfp3cAyld0bj22KGQvwCEuTg-- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:28:28 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Alan Treesong Subject: Re: Recent listening To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <129235AF-A48D-4F96-B90D-118C361732D5@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1246917482-1199896108=:13708" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <69596.13708.qm@web53809.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:35:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1246917482-1199896108=:13708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a boring topic. Chris Sewell wrote: George Porter? On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:18 AM, miles ward wrote: Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo? -Miles On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak wrote: - Marcus Miller - Maceo Parker - David Sylvian - Future sound of London - Sigur Ros - and many many loopers-delight mp3's --- Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... http://www.scarlet.be/ -- ---Miles Ward --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1246917482-1199896108=:13708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is a boring topic.

Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
George Porter?
On Jan 9, 2008, at 10:18 AM, miles ward wrote:

Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo?
-Miles

On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
- Marcus Miller
- Maceo Parker
- David Sylvian
- Future sound of London
- Sigur Ros
- and many many loopers-delight mp3's

---
Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...
http://www.scarlet.be/




--
---Miles Ward


Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1246917482-1199896108=:13708-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:35:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA023BF0F; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0CJyiPCVKmGIGhdE7nn0xAbfHM6KY9N3VjCIWETH4A+5gn1bS2XO7AYjRCQWpH+ngWspw9QLl+enNZkD/sYsIXxJ16OsoNJkxd/4FLxtw4pN4q9C/q2mNkvxevCpD/LmmnLm4aJP0uYjkFY1Wjh0RkZRuJtJiUHulRo297ZLoyg=; X-YMail-OSG: 64CgyEgVM1mIG7nmV8ar1XPv1VugkJq__o27KVoF Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Alan Treesong Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2016360116-1199896138=:13015" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:35:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-2016360116-1199896138=:13015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is another BORING topic. Chris Sewell wrote: That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has stringent rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if its christian. On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: > > > (Scroll down...) > > -t- > > --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > >> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in >> regards to signal flow >> and where his loopers are located on the chain? >> Thanks >> >> Daniel >> >> > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-2016360116-1199896138=:13015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is another BORING topic.

Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has stringent
rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if its
christian.
On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

> A lil' bit o' googlage got me this:
>
>
> (Scroll down...)
>
> -t-
>
> --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in
>> regards to signal flow
>> and where his loopers are located on the chain?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes
> http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson
> http://www.youtube.com/speleman62
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ______________
> Be a better friend, newshound, and
> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://
> mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>
>


Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-2016360116-1199896138=:13015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:37:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62D433BF19; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-398609787 Message-Id: <8188DD73-DF43-4C89-B34D-B9210C9B95C2@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:37:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:37:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-398609787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed What would you like to talk about? On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote: > This is another BORING topic. > > Chris Sewell wrote: > That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has stringent > rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if its > christian. > On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: > > > > > > (Scroll down...) > > > > -t- > > > > --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in > >> regards to signal flow > >> and where his loopers are located on the chain? > >> Thanks > >> > >> Daniel > >> > >> > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --Apple-Mail-3-398609787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII What would you like to talk about?
On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:28 = AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote:

This is = another BORING topic.

Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> = wrote:
That site reminds of = the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has stringent
rules against = posting religious material. Except of course, if its =
christian.
On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson = wrote:

> A lil' bit o' googlage got me this:
>
>
> (Scroll = down...)
>
> -t-
>
> --- Daniel Dingeldein = wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know Phil = Keaggy's stage set up in
>> regards to signal flow
>> = and where his loopers are located on the chain?
>> = Thanks
>>
>> = Daniel
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.myspace.com/nimblet= unes
> http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson
> http://www.youtube.com/speleman= 62
>
>
>
> = ______________________________________________________________________ =
> ______________
> Be a better friend, newshound, = and
> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://
> = mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
>
>
<= br>


Never miss a = thing. = Make Yahoo your homepage.

= --Apple-Mail-3-398609787-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DB2F3BF1D; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4783DB8B.2020109@mhorse.com> References: <501485.90765.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4783DB8B.2020109@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:40:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: Musicians and Astrology (was Re: Recent Listening...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) At 2:22 PM -0600 1/8/08, Daryl Shawn wrote: >Lemme guess...ya'll are Capricorns, aren't you? I was never much for >astrology, but myself and an awful lot of my friends have this >disease and we're all Caps! I'm a completely non-standard Virgo. There must have been some planet crossing the wrong way somewhere the day I was born, because aside from a few anal-retentive/OCD characteristics, I missed the Virgo profile. Although Capricorn (along with Sagittarius and Libra) is high up on the list of candidates that people have accused me of having as my true sign. My wife (who's more into Astrology than I am) was just reading up on the controversy over defining a 13th Zodiac symbol, since I guess the Earth has drifted somewhat relative to the heavens since the Western Astrological system was codified back in Ptolemy's day. She actually would be an Ophiuchus (sp?). But if you take that shift into account, I'd be kicked over into Leo. Maybe that explains it? ;) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:42:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EA1E3BF2B; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCDF9A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> References: <001d01c85269$4a67f5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCDF9A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:42:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:42:38 +0000 (UTC) At 1:05 PM +0000 1/9/08, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >btw (mech, anyone), are telefon tel aviv anything to do with tuxedomoon? Heh! I'm guessing that you caught that they were next to Blaine Reininger's "Night Air" on my list? :) Unfortunately, Telefon Tel Aviv have nothing to do with Tuxedomoon (that I'm aware of, at least). Telefon Tel Aviv is a duo specializing mostly in lush, glitchy music -- much in the same vein as the BT releases that kinda started this thread. Like BT, they get a lot of 'bread and butter' work submitting remixes of other artists work. They have a couple albums of their own over on Chicago's Hefty Records label. Both "Fahrenheit Fair Enough" and "Map of What is Effortless" are well worth giving a listen. The Remix disc I've been listening to gathers a lot of that remix work that they've done for acts like Nine Inch Nails and Bebel Gilberto. As with most good remixes, the new versions more resemble the remixer than the original group. BTW if you're interested in Tuxedomoon, that track I was asking about a couple of days ago was actually for a compilation of Tuxedomoon covers put together by the members of the fan list at Yahoogroups. I was surprised to find there's actually quite a lot of good quality material that came out of the submissions for it. You can get more info (plus some sound snippets) at: http://www.tuxedomooning.com --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 16:43:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4247A3BF2D; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:43:05 UTC X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <4784EB85.1000706@vtx.ch> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:43:01 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recent listening References: <4cf76a0b0801090718x508e0f33xd90e04acc378a792@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4cf76a0b0801090718x508e0f33xd90e04acc378a792@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5W7LMB.A.YOF.ZmPhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Prince Claude miles ward a écrit : > Maceo may be the funkiest human alive. Who is funkier than Maceo?-Miles > > On Jan 9, 2008 6:48 AM, Sjaak wrote: > >> - Marcus Miller >> - Maceo Parker >> - David Sylvian >> - Future sound of London >> - Sigur Ros >> - and many many loopers-delight mp3's >> >> --- >> Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... >> http://www.scarlet.be/ >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:07:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB87E3BF02; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:09:04 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> In-Reply-To: <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:07:08 +0000 (UTC) jayrope looper's delight wrote: > I am using the PSP84 (plugin) for it's fantastic plate and spring > reverb sounds. unfortunately i could never really get it to loop, other > than it would play a midi synced infinite delay of sorts. > > really don;t know more, but the soudn of it is very good. How about ressource hungriness? On which platform, with which cpu and how much memory? I'm using an external Lex LXP-15; great reverbs (plus effects routings with multitap echo and some harmonizing), but would like to get rid of analog interfacing. > On 08.01.2008, at 17:23, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com > wrote: > >> LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 17:17:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A70C3BF30; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dSNzEcIJQFs1fuyLUiQU91TKrlQ7e9z2erXV+XEaBSA=; b=C/XLtKdZtUkPmzAZFs04ymbljk6E2gMAnxdxXZ66UPXnv69+9v2W3l+kI2FZpzG33d4Dji9ijrsoNudmp8wDk9pI9W1dOgoCxTvZKvqddIBcG4z6N6pWtM/po05jQAiyYVsfs49ca4CyOH4vXSwFCOGPr/k8qyeVk1o8KzaNqhY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tq1FHsG+MeeH3pI/RXYlOdINnSOA1kQCVu06y1kL49kRdb0L+Z4TXnjMC3AHEDCJnGHU5lQpZY2jpP4mztKxHTDUhMePJ4yYrrTAR9afh8vmEMLyjoie/nRdcgBK6MLK4ccX0n66rtdhhp6V8CjsmXIXLB4pmftBnoNq0GKt3ag= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801090917q3ba0b2a8tbbdd06bec81fd283@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:17:13 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? In-Reply-To: <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:17:14 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2008 6:09 PM, van Sinn wrote: > How about ressource hungriness? On which platform, with which cpu and > how much memory? I'm using the PSP84 on both Mac and Windows and with a 2 GHz CPU I have no CPU overload issues. The smallest RAM I have here is 1GB, on a Win box, but the 84 works fine with that as well. I can't see why such a plug-in would need a lot of RAM? I mean, it's not a sampler that had to load files into the memory. > I'm using an external Lex LXP-15; great reverbs (plus effects routings > with multitap echo and some harmonizing), but would like to get rid of > analog interfacing. I too used an LXP-15 for long time! Awesome reverb in the Multi Program bank, I think. But if that's the type of reverb you like I would guess the PSP608MD would make you happier than the PSP84. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 18:20:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07A133BEE1; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47851089.3050800@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:20:57 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 References: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: <200801071128.m07BS4Or026484@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:20:52 +0000 (UTC) rs@moinlabs.de schrieb: > I mean "roadworthy" in the sense of going on the road as a musician. > A "roadworthy package" for something that usually sits on some kind > of table or stand during performance is a package where the device > will not suffer damage if it gets thrown off the table onto the > (possibly hard) stage or even audience space floor. That would suggest that Zoë isn't playing a roadworthy instrument. If you throw a cello on the hard stage it will break, which might be even true for your guitar as well... My computer is my instrument, I take care of it, it won't fall. And the paranoid just carry a second one as backup... Roadworthy for me is that you can pack it safely to carry it around with as little weight as possible... > You're of course right that it works really well if you put it into a > sturdy case and only unpack it when you don't play music ;) You can also take a Mac mini, preconfigure it to load all the magic automatically and only attach a monitor for trouble shooting... The mini for the weight (and firewire), all rackspace computers are too heavy to be considered roadworthy according to our specs... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 18:54:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D0B3BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478518C9.9080406@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:56:09 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> <66f9cc1e0801090917q3ba0b2a8tbbdd06bec81fd283@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801090917q3ba0b2a8tbbdd06bec81fd283@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5uZE0B.A.WNC.UhRhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 6:09 PM, van Sinn wrote: > > >>How about ressource hungriness? On which platform, with which cpu and >>how much memory? > > > I'm using the PSP84 on both Mac and Windows and with a 2 GHz CPU I > have no CPU overload issues. The smallest RAM I have here is 1GB, on a > Win box, but the 84 works fine with that as well. I can't see why such > a plug-in would need a lot of RAM? I mean, it's not a sampler that had > to load files into the memory. Na, my bad. The weird mind was thinking about convolution reverbs.. >>I'm using an external Lex LXP-15; great reverbs (plus effects routings >>with multitap echo and some harmonizing), but would like to get rid of >>analog interfacing. > > > I too used an LXP-15 for long time! Awesome reverb in the Multi > Program bank, I think. But if that's the type of reverb you like I > would guess the PSP608MD would make you happier than the PSP84. Earlier LXP-15 or the later -II? Anyways, PSP stuff duly noted :) -- rgds, van Sinn From nobody@lamp03.stingcomm.com Wed Jan 9 19:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1976 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:00:27 UTC Received: from webhostrelay.stingcomm.com (webhostrelay.stingcomm.com [216.220.93.219]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3DC3BECF for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lamp03.stingcomm.com (unverified [216.220.93.222]) by webhostrelay.stingcomm.com (SurgeMail 3.8i) with ESMTP id 337580-1872910 for multiple; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:38:42 -0500 Received: by lamp03.stingcomm.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A408F62015; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:57:42 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: PLEASE READ ! From: P.Torrens. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: RLSP Mailer Message-Id: <20080109175742.A408F62015@lamp03.stingcomm.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:57:42 -0500 (EST) With due respect, I am Mr.Peter Torrens,staff of ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC, United Kingdom. I am contacting you concerning a deceased customer and an investment he placed under our banks management Three years ago, and I would respectfully request that you keep the contents of this mail confidential and respect the integrity of the information you come by as a result of this mail. I am contacting you independently of our investigation and no one is informed of this communication. I would like to intimate you with certain facts that I believe would be of interest to you. In the year 2004,the subjects matter came to our bank to engage in business discussions.He informed us that he had a financial portfolio of Ten million United States dollars, which he wished to have us turn over (invest) on his behalf. I decided to treat his case personally; I made numerous suggestions in line with my duties as the de-facto chief Intermediary Sales and Lending Manager, DIrectly with the private banking sector of the bank,considering the volume of funds he wished to put into our bank. We met on numerous occasions prior to any investments being placed I encouraged him to consider various growth funds with prime ratings. The favored route in my advice to customers is to start by assessing data on 6000 traditional stocks and bond managers and 2000 managers of alternative investments. Based on my advice, we spun the money around various opportunities and made attractive margins for our first months of operation, the accrued profit and interest stood at this point at over One million United States Dollars, this margin was not the full potential of the fund but the desired low risk guaranteed returns on investments. In November 2005, he asked that the money be liquidated because he needed to make an urgent investment requiring cash payments in Finland. Where he said, he is investing with a Firm that is building a housing estate outside Helsinki for the government of Finland. He directed that I liquidate the investment and deposit the funds with a security firm. I informed him that ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC would have to make special arrangements to have this done and in order not to circumvent due process, the bank would have to make a 9.5 % deduction from the funds to carter for banking and statutory charges. He complained about the charges, I explained to him the complexities of the task he was asking of us which he later agreed to the terms and conditions. Cash movement across boarders has strict since the incidents of 9/11. I contacted my affiliate and made the funds available to a security firm. I undertook all the processes and made sure I followed his precise instructions to the letter and had the funds deposited with the security firm. The Security Firm is a specialist private firm that accepts deposits from high net worth individuals and blue chip corporations that handle valuable products or undertake transactions that need immediate access to cash. This small and highly private organization is familiar especially to the highly placed and well-connected organizations. In line with instructions, the money was deposited with the security firm. The Customer told me he wanted the money there in anticipation of his arrival from Norway later that week. This was the last communication we had, this transpired around 25th February 2006.In June last year, we got a call from the security firm informing us about the inactivity of th at particular portfolio. This was an astounding position as far as I was concerned, given the fact that I managed the private banking sector I was the only one who knew about the deposit at the security firm, and I could not understand why the Customer had not come forward to claim his deposit. I made futile efforts to locate the Customer. I immediately passed the task of locating him to the internal investigations department of ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC, Four days later, information started to trickle in,apparently our client was dead. A person who suited his description was declared dead of a heart attack in canne, in Southern part of France. The body was identified and the cause of death was confirmed. The bank immediately launched an investigation into possible surviving next of kin to alert them about the situation and also to come forward to claim his estate. If you are familiar with private banking affairs, those who patronize our services usually prefer anonymity, but also some levels of detachmen t from conventional processes. In his bio-data form, he listed no next of kin. In the field of private banking, opening an account with us means no one will know of its existence, accounts are rarely held under a name; depositors use numbers and codes to make the accounts anonymous. This bank also gives the choice to depositors of having their mail sent to them or held at the bank itself, ensuring that there are no traces of the account and as I said, rarely do they nominate next of kin. Private banking clients apart from not nominating next of kin also usually in most cases leave wills in our care, in this case; the deceased died without a testate. In line with our internal processes for account holders who have passed away, we instituted our own investigations in good faith to determine who should have right to claim the estate. This investigation has for the past months been unfruitful. We have scanned every continent and used our private investigation affiliate companies to get to the root of the probl em all to no avail. My official capacity dictates that I am the only party to supervise the investigation and the only party to receive the results of the investigation. What this means, after investigating the last batch of names forwarded to us as possible relatives, we have come to the conclusion that our dear late fellow died with no known or identifiable family member. This leaves me as the only person with the full picture of what the prevailing situation is in relation to the deposit and the late beneficiary of the deposit. According to practice, The Security Firm will broadcast a request for statements of claim to ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC,any moment from now, failing to receive viable claims they will most probably revert the deposit back to ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC. This will result in the money entering ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC accounting system and the portfolio will be out of my hands and out of the private banking division. This will not happen if I have my way. What I wish to relate to you will smack of unethical practice but I want you to understand something. It is only an outsider to the banking world who finds the internal politics of the banking world aberrational. The world of private banking especially is fraught with huge rewards for those that occupy certain offices and oversee certain portfolios. You should have begun by now to put together the general direction of my intention. There is Ten million dollars deposited in a security firm, I alone have the deposit details and they will release the deposit to no one unless I instruct them to do so. I alone know of the existence of this deposit for as far as ANGLO IRISH BANK PLC is concerned. The transaction with our late customer concluded when I sent the funds to the security firm, all outstanding interactions in relation to the file are just customer services and due process. The security Firm has no single idea of what's the history or nature of the deposit. They are simply awaiting instructions to release the deposit to any party that come forward. This is the situation. This bank has spent great amounts of money trying to track this man's family; they have investigated for months and have found no family. The investigation has come to an end. My proposal; I am prepared to place you in a position to instruct the security Firm to release the deposit to you as the closest surviving relative. Upon receipt of the deposit I am prepared to share the money with you. That is: I will simply nominate you as the next of kin and have them release the deposit to you and share the proceeds with you in a percentage we will arrive at taking into consideration our individual level of commitment. I would have gone ahead to ask that the funds be released to me, but that will draw a straight line to me and my involvement in claiming the deposit. But presenting you as a relative with the right to claim the deposit as a next of kin will mask my involvement and participation in diverting the deposit for personal use. You will get all the documents needed to effect this claim immediately you notify me of your acceptance to claim this deposit for our mutual benefit. I assure you that I will have the deposit released to you within a few days. I will simply inform the bank of the final closing of the file relating to the deceased. I will then officially communicate with The Security Firm and instruct them to release the deposit to you. With these two things: all is done. I ask that if you find no interest in this project that you should discard this mail. I ask that you do not be vindictive and destructive. If my offer is of no appeal to you, delete this message and forget I ever contacted you. Do not destroy my career because you do not approve of my proposal. You may not know this but people like me who have made tidy sums out of comparable situations run the whole private banking sector. I am not a criminal and what I do, I do not find against good conscience, this may be hard for you to understand, but the dynamics of my industry dictates that I make this move. Such opportunities comes ones 'way once in a lifetime. I cannot let this chance pass me by, for once I find myself in total control of my destiny. These chances won't pass me by. I ask that you do not destroy my chance, if you will not work with me let me know and let me move on with my life but do not destroy me. I am a family man and this is an opportunity to provide them with new opportunities. There is a reward for this project and it is a task well worth undertaking. I have evaluated the risks and the only risk I have here is from you refusing to work with me and alerting my bank. I am the only one who knows of this situation, good fortune has blessed you with a luck that has planted you into the center of relevance in my life. Let's share the blessing. If you find yourself able to work with me, contact me through this email account. If you give me positive signals, I will initiate this process towards a conclusion. I wish to inform you that should you contact me via official channels; I will deny knowing you and about this project. I repeat, I do not want you contacting me through my official phone lines nor do I want you contacting me through my official email account. Contact me only through the numbers I will provide for you and also through this email address. I do not want any direct link between you and myself. My official lines are not secured lines as they are periodically monitored to assess our level of customer care in line wi th our Total Quality Management Policy. Please observe this instruction religiously. Please, again, note I am a family man; I have a wife and children. I send you this mail not without a measure of fear as to what the consequences, but I know within me that nothing ventured is nothing gained and that success and riches never come easy or on a platter of gold. This is the one truth I have learned from my private banking clients. Do not betray my confidence. Sincerely, Peter Torrens. ___________________________________________________________________________ Mail sent from WebMail service at PHP-Nuke Powered Site - http://yoursite.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 20:24:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35AE83BEE2; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UGS3vU6aTCVV7AigRC0Uw0lfWGksQtkG/wcxrHAsDbA=; b=NCGNtLrZ0N9ke4YIAFIK4NWAi9G4n98m4Ly63tXV5MuCfRarJ6jIHcZvU6kF7QBwTWy0+94BEhWqJ3KfBr9E7HkGRy+5+gQOfybXNCrvnn4Nwpc2LoSAAOPZ6QAbMCGNe6X6vk9O4feHqzYYq3LCzKlaBIna8OzOfooteTtMbCc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FMXGEoIvvDRr93cCryf7OoLaOVid+Gd2G6/LN2I4WA815Bm2Y6x3Ew/xBZK/NlUBn08ge69N1UGzEGSSJOYvecLmyHwx73dbTf0r0Ouz949bQLqtM4+cnqEERCTmexErn13e8bjaViugt3COtgkBkfxjk5/v2/yxqt62CF3KXyg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801091224j4ca081c3s52faa6eeeb2edcb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:24:39 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? In-Reply-To: <478518C9.9080406@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> <66f9cc1e0801090917q3ba0b2a8tbbdd06bec81fd283@mail.gmail.com> <478518C9.9080406@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:24:42 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 9, 2008 7:56 PM, van Sinn wrote: > but the 84 works fine with that as well. I can't see why such > > a plug-in would need a lot of RAM? I mean, it's not a sampler that had > > to load files into the memory. > > Na, my bad. The weird mind was thinking about convolution reverbs.. Ahh, I see your point. If that's the case, convolution reverbs eating up RAM, it explains the strange zipper noises I had in my 1 GB RAM PC when using SIR for reverb. > > I too used an LXP-15 for long time! Awesome reverb in the Multi > > Program bank, I think. But if that's the type of reverb you like I > > would guess the PSP608MD would make you happier than the PSP84. > > Earlier LXP-15 or the later -II? > Anyways, PSP stuff duly noted :) It's the.... no wait! It's LXP-5 I have. That's the one with the reverb I like, that has a similar vibe to the PSP608MD plug-in. Sorry for the mistake. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:17:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F6EC3BED0; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 397 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:17:46 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LFsR+rGIekRG77VN4BVI7a6Dm32dJFootc1dHyzNSOlfyF2jTX4bydZTHdJJzp25leuJKBdi0gu3wcz8z8PSyYaaYw78W8rLslvXz5uKRLQz+2YDlthprbZ1kKsvpwFAGNAfLTsfe1o9nPbxppEd1My371CPntkv2E0DzIwN114=; X-YMail-OSG: FAacsIkVM1lU6hFLxCy8ROJm.UYOQ4YV471OMjGro_eVUMutQvb66lU8OKhGs8sJs_kObb6Zo5hnj7qnHzhFkOn2khdnmEj88HprvH8GDdQTcfcxq11U_.7zPsK34HKHy_CHUSPAGWQ9OPBy0uX9tKVgyQ-- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: jackorhythm Subject: RC50 "warbling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <571371.33533.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_9zGjC.A.0gH.6nThHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:17:47 +0000 (UTC) i'm trying to figure out if all rc50's are doing this or is it just mine. roland support is basically of no help and will only pass the buck off to japan who, as they've said since very early on with this box, is aware of many issues but has not released another update nor is there any clue that they will. here's the issue: in single shot mode, no sync or midi attempted. loop "a" works fine but sometimes loop "b" and almost always loop "c" will play back with a heavy warbly kind of sound, almost like all of the samples are scrambled. i know they have problems with the clock and syncing and i'm wondering if this is somehow related. it happens only during the first few minutes or more specifically the first couple of banks that i use. i've found a workaround by just filling up a couple of blank banks and then erasing them before i start to play but who needs to do this every time i set up? any help? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:25:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E5D3BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:25:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6LuXYc0Cw1VyhSwb/KdAeXrthhUzJctIi8LtnltNUFF2mSvrxGou10lpcQ/ypQsSXpAY+Q74pzLN/l/WjTGEw39EjcKyXBSGaK1KSoI/f7nuMuO4lp2QuzH4cWJaaliLqlLoRQJxN54CxhYbqDOo+IbC4DuWPjIdOsv/XWoSz14=; X-YMail-OSG: CUW_ZxUVM1nVYsm4wPtqFOxXd.YDbSUAHxbzRkiGegRmnm4RgD9oIlZhppKs4_quknrN_YX1uQ-- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:18:28 +0000 (GMT) From: MATTHEW STEVENS Subject: Re: help out the newbie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <81D1AAC8D5F9452DBA8DE53A50A2F38D@PCvanelkeenje> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <299832.19535.qm@web86108.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Get a line 6 tone port the UX2 is bloody great no latency and all the cool modelling stuff as well --- Jeroen De Rycke wrote: > hello all, > > first post here, long time LD-reader. After years of > getting away from the guitar i rediscovered my love > for the instrument. As i have a new laptop i was > wondering how to loop with it. My only (happy) > looping experience is the line6 and shortly a > repeater. What do i want, well something like this > in software, some fx (vst,...). The computer runs > vista. > > 1) audio interface (2in-2out), nothing to > fancy(line6,behringer,m-audio,...)what about > latency? > 2) software (mobius, vst host,.......)? > 3) controller? > > Planning to use my acoustic through a boss me50 for > tonal shaping,basic sculpting of the sound, the pc > for looping mission control, advanced home > entertainment. > > thank you, > the belgium connection, > > jeroen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:30:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60313BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:30:54 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:RC50 "warbling" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 81.164.159.201 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi, My RC-50 works fine, it could be a configuration problem. Have you checke= d the Tempo Func option (CTL/EXP button)? Does it say "SYS(tem)"? Have yo= u tried "PAT(ch)"? See page 70 of the manual. Regards, Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:31:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E30953BEEE; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47853D54.3050402@imt.net> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:32:04 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up References: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8188DD73-DF43-4C89-B34D-B9210C9B95C2@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <8188DD73-DF43-4C89-B34D-B9210C9B95C2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Oh pretty much anything inflammatory. :-) Hehe. I've met Phil a few times and have gotten to see him perform with some other guys and solo a couple times. What a machine is all I can say. If the poster of the statement below could email me from my sounddoctorin.com contact addy...I'd love to find out the basis of the accusation that AGF which I'm not familiar with...has stringent rules against posting religious material unless it's Christian. -Bob Chris Sewell wrote: > What would you like to talk about? > On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote: > >> This is another BORING topic. >> >> */Chris Sewell >/* wrote: >> >> That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has >> stringent >> rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if its >> christian. >> On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: >> >> > A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: >> > >> > >> > (Scroll down...) >> > >> > -t- >> > >> > --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: >> > >> >> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in >> >> regards to signal flow >> >> and where his loopers are located on the chain? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes >> > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson >> > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> > ______________ >> > Be a better friend, newshound, and >> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >> > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> > >> > >> >> >> >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34DFE3BEDC; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 439 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:42:23 UTC Message-ID: <20080109153501.g9b4r7uhyos8gggo@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:35:01 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RC50 "warbling" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <11SwTB.A.8g._-ThHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Sjaak : > > Hi, > My RC-50 works fine, it could be a configuration problem. Have you > checked the Tempo Func option (CTL/EXP button)? Does it say > "SYS(tem)"? Have you tried "PAT(ch)"? See page 70 of the manual. > > Regards, > Sjaak > Regarding the RC-50 -- I've observed this when I record a loop then change the tempo. It follows that a track, recorded at one tempo, then played back at another would do the same thing. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 21:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7774A3BEEE; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080109153501.g9b4r7uhyos8gggo@69.89.21.76> References: <20080109153501.g9b4r7uhyos8gggo@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46-417601026 Message-Id: <4028F5EC-FB1B-4970-8A41-A9C9F1CB63F5@seanmormelo.com> From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: RC50 "warbling" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:53:36 -0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:53:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-46-417601026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed you have to turn tempo Sync off because once you record the loop if you try to change the tempo it warbles it all up and your audio is unusable...one of the MAIN reasons I bought teh RC50 is because of the tempo synch feature ironically. On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:35 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Sjaak : >> >> Hi, >> My RC-50 works fine, it could be a configuration problem. Have >> you checked the Tempo Func option (CTL/EXP button)? Does it say >> "SYS(tem)"? Have you tried "PAT(ch)"? See page 70 of the manual. >> >> Regards, >> Sjaak >> > Regarding the RC-50 -- I've observed this when I record a loop then > change the tempo. It follows that a track, recorded at one tempo, > then played back at another would do the same thing. > > -- Kevin > > Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-46-417601026 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 you have to turn tempo Sync off because once you record the loop if you = try to change the tempo it warbles it all up and your audio is = unusable...one of the MAIN reasons I bought teh RC50 is because of the = tempo synch feature ironically.=A0


On Jan 9, = 2008, at 12:35 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.co= m wrote:

Quoting Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>:
=
Hi,
My = RC-50 works fine, it could be a configuration problem. Have you=A0 checked the Tempo Func option = (CTL/EXP button)? Does it say=A0 = "SYS(tem)"? Have you tried "PAT(ch)"? See page 70 of the = manual.

Regards,

=
Regarding the RC-50 -- I've = observed this when I record a loop then change the tempo.=A0 It follows that a track, = recorded at one tempo, then played back at another would do the same = thing.

-- Kevin


=

Sean = Mormelo
ww= w.seanmormelo.com
www.myspace.com/seanmormelo



 =

= --Apple-Mail-46-417601026-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 9 22:13:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9C4E3BECD; Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47854793.7040807@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:15:47 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? References: <20080108162341.304C63BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <568CE777-2AF6-402B-84EC-7726917647AE@kliklak.net> <4784FFB0.3010804@post.cybercity.dk> <66f9cc1e0801090917q3ba0b2a8tbbdd06bec81fd283@mail.gmail.com> <478518C9.9080406@post.cybercity.dk> <66f9cc1e0801091224j4ca081c3s52faa6eeeb2edcb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801091224j4ca081c3s52faa6eeeb2edcb0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 7:56 PM, van Sinn wrote: > >>but the 84 works fine with that as well. I can't see why such >> >>>a plug-in would need a lot of RAM? I mean, it's not a sampler that had >>>to load files into the memory. >> >>Na, my bad. The weird mind was thinking about convolution reverbs.. > > > Ahh, I see your point. If that's the case, convolution reverbs eating > up RAM, it explains the strange zipper noises I had in my 1 GB RAM PC > when using SIR for reverb. Can't answer that, but those in the rec.audio.pro NG likely knows. >>>I too used an LXP-15 for long time! Awesome reverb in the Multi >>>Program bank, I think. But if that's the type of reverb you like I >>>would guess the PSP608MD would make you happier than the PSP84. >> >>Earlier LXP-15 or the later -II? >>Anyways, PSP stuff duly noted :) > > > It's the.... no wait! It's LXP-5 I have. That's the one with the > reverb I like, that has a similar vibe to the PSP608MD plug-in. Sorry > for the mistake. Mine too. Never heard how the -II sounds, but am told it's got more fat, less open reverbs. Really bought mine for guitar, but preset switching was waaay too slow. Was later told it migh've been configured for lotsa control jacks, taking precedence; have to check again.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 02:20:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3BBB3BEDE; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080109202054.weoei40l4wkk0484@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:20:54 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: OT - diy vacuum tubes! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Someone on another list pointed out this video of an amateur radio operator who makes his own triode vacuum tubes from scratch! 17 minutes long... just sit back and enjoy. http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html Hope you don't mind me posting this to the list. Folks that love that vintage tube sound might enjoy to see them being made. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 04:06:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FAC73BED3; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 25C6ez0VM1lRBMNNKQiKSdfYBTNLQAfp0n1Zm.1NPkZv46xC7TFc7yoYHeck1hl3U3QV2HgWERxKAKQllTWG2dIx_o36Yj7ntIj_1pmtF5gzBCk7a44- Message-ID: <000701c8533e$1fa08370$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20080109202054.weoei40l4wkk0484@69.89.21.76> Subject: Sounds on the web Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:06:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:06:14 +0000 (UTC) I found the following site-some decent stuff. www.soundsnap.com ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 05:03:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91EA73BEE1; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2089 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:03:25 UTC X-ME-UUID: 20080110042834374.5B851700008F@mwinf2a22.orange.fr Message-ID: <47859EFA.7010809@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:28:42 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> <4783A7D6.3070308@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4783A7D6.3070308@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn schrieb: > Stefan, I installed Max and got your program running and I love it! I'm > finding it to be a great sort of little radio for dropping in almost any > scrap of tasty audio to let it seep into my brain for awhile, it's > really handy for that and I'm excited about chopping up more bits and > pieces to throw into the blender and see how they work...thanks again, > really a cool little app! Thanks, I am glad it works. If you plan to release a bigger collection, I'll try to get hold of a PC to create standalone versions of the patch. That could include all the sound files as well and should work without the necessity to drag and drop the folder... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 06:25:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5081D3BED2; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47853D54.3050402@imt.net> References: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8188DD73-DF43-4C89-B34D-B9210C9B95C2@mac.com> <47853D54.3050402@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92A21B62-3737-45D2-868B-C7A206FAD87C@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:25:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9F9XsB.A.5ZH.qpbhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:25:47 +0000 (UTC) You know whats boring? Your talkradio show. Why is it every devout christian thinks he/she is the first one to get religion? You are literally the billionth person with these ideas. We get it. Can we please move past it? On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > Oh pretty much anything inflammatory. :-) Hehe. I've met Phil a > few times and have gotten to see him perform with some other guys > and solo a couple times. What a machine is all I can say. > > If the poster of the statement below could email me from my > sounddoctorin.com contact addy...I'd love to find out the basis of > the accusation that AGF which I'm not familiar with...has stringent > rules against posting religious material unless it's Christian. -Bob > > Chris Sewell wrote: > >> What would you like to talk about? >> On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote: >> >>> This is another BORING topic. >>> >>> */Chris Sewell >/* >>> wrote: >>> >>> That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 07:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B3C3BEDD; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4785C7D9.6080103@imt.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:23:05 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's Stage Set up References: <568103.13015.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8188DD73-DF43-4C89-B34D-B9210C9B95C2@mac.com> <47853D54.3050402@imt.net> <92A21B62-3737-45D2-868B-C7A206FAD87C@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <92A21B62-3737-45D2-868B-C7A206FAD87C@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:22:33 +0000 (UTC) ? I can't believe anyone's heard it :-). I only did it a couple times and the stupid thing didn't have any metering so my voice was really quiet and the callers were just overbearingly loud. Hey..ya know there's this great thing in life..if you aren't interested in something you can just NOT LISTEN to it :-) I mean a lot of posts on this don't interest me in particular. I'm kinda busy so I just move past them. I don't criticize everyone who doesn't do something that I'm interested in. I 'honor diversity' at least to that level instead of being a hypercritical prick. Uhh..hmm... Chris Sewell wrote: > You know whats boring? Your talkradio show. Why is it every devout > christian thinks he/she is the first one to get religion? You are > literally the billionth person with these ideas. We get it. Can we > please move past it? > On Jan 9, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > >> Oh pretty much anything inflammatory. :-) Hehe. I've met Phil a >> few times and have gotten to see him perform with some other guys >> and solo a couple times. What a machine is all I can say. >> >> If the poster of the statement below could email me from my >> sounddoctorin.com contact addy...I'd love to find out the basis of >> the accusation that AGF which I'm not familiar with...has stringent >> rules against posting religious material unless it's Christian. -Bob >> >> Chris Sewell wrote: >> >>> What would you like to talk about? >>> On Jan 9, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote: >>> >>>> This is another BORING topic. >>>> >>>> */Chris Sewell >/* >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That site reminds of the Acoustic Guitar Forum. The AGF has >>>> stringent >>>> rules against posting religious material. Except of course, if >>>> its >>>> christian. >>>> On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: >>>> >>>> > A lil' bit o' googlage got me this: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > (Scroll down...) >>>> > >>>> > -t- >>>> > >>>> > --- Daniel Dingeldein wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Does anyone know Phil Keaggy's stage set up in >>>> >> regards to signal flow >>>> >> and where his loopers are located on the chain? >>>> >> Thanks >>>> >> >>>> >> Daniel >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes >>>> > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> __ >>>> >>>> > ______________ >>>> > Be a better friend, newshound, and >>>> > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// >>>> > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >>> us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> >>> >>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 09:48:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5339D3BED6; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 722 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:48:33 UTC Priority: normal X-Originating-IP: 212.17.199.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: normal References: <129380.23368.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8536C.5FD1D1BE" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: R: Crackle during playback Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:37:10 +0100 Message-ID: <759428530D960344B3CE83449AC768CF5E0828@FBCMST10V06.fbc.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-index: AchTa0ZMju9yOB7ES5uaHDVaXDv4zg== From: To: "L.A. Angulo" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2008 09:36:27.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[462C4960:01C8536C] Resent-Message-ID: <5wZWLB.A.M-G.ynehHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:48:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8536C.5FD1D1BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My problem is different, it is systematic and is repeated every minute = even using a single software=20 RME user's guide proposes to increase the buffer size of the hard disk = cache or activate busmaster mode for the hard disks , but I have no idea = how to do=20 Someone can help me? In these conditions it is impossible for me to work with Mobius!=20 Milco -----Messaggio originale----- Da: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Inviato: mar 08/01/2008 23.17 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: Crackle during playback =20 i have a similar problem with my RME FW800,the sound degrades really bad when i have more than one audio program open like soundforge,sonar or winamp. Luis --- milco_montagna@alice.it wrote: > Hi all,=20 > I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear > about every minute and 5 seconds=20 >=20 > The problem occurs with every audio files and with > any software (for example, I tried with Windows > Media Player or with Audio file player in Bidule or > uploading a loop on a mobius track)=20 >=20 > The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4=20 > 2,2 Ghz 512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP > (XP partitioned using FAT file system)=20 >=20 > The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000 > (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I > tried with I-tunes or with Audio file player in > Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on > sooperlooper track) >=20 > My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the > driver=20 >=20 > Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions >=20 >=20 > ********** > Scopri la nuova Alice Mail! > 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB > di allegati. >=20 > Registrati GRATIS su > http://registra.rossoalice.alice.it/registra/basic/entratabasic.do?entryP= oint=3Dfooter >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20 http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8536C.5FD1D1BE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R: Crackle during playback

My problem is different, it is systematic and is = repeated every minute even using a single software


RME user's guide  proposes to increase the buffer size of the hard = disk cache or activate busmaster mode for the hard disks , but I have no = idea how to do

Someone can help me?

In these conditions it is impossible for me to work with Mobius!

Milco

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]
Inviato: mar 08/01/2008 23.17
A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Oggetto: Re: Crackle during playback

i have a similar problem with my RME FW800,the sound
degrades really bad when i have  more than one audio
program open like soundforge,sonar or winamp.
Luis
--- milco_montagna@alice.it wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear
> about every minute and 5 seconds
>
> The problem occurs with every audio files and with
> any software (for example, I tried with Windows
> Media Player or with Audio file player in Bidule or
> uploading a loop on a mobius track)
>
> The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4
> 2,2 Ghz   512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP
> (XP partitioned using FAT file system)
>
> The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000
> (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I
> tried with  I-tunes or with Audio file player in
> Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on
> sooperlooper track)
>
> My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the
> driver
>
> Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions
>
>
> **********
> Scopri la nuova Alice Mail!
> 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB
> di allegati.
>
> Registrati GRATIS su
>
http://registra.rossoalice.alice.it/registra/basic= /entratabasic.do?entryPoint=3Dfooter
>


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________
Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C8536C.5FD1D1BE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 11:13:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12233BEDC; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:10:47 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, another Afterglow, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4785FD37.1030903@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:13:48 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk 1 from "Are You Sequenced?" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= A special edition of Afterglow will take to the air on Friday, January 11, from 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm. Tune in for a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 12 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST/GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 11:37:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE6CB3BEEC; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:34:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Powered Subs...on to mastering In-reply-to: <25344437.1199800448617.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478602B3.8020206@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14279.87715.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2a9c01c851be$8e2b7d30$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <25344437.1199800448617.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <7nmuZD.A.HqC.bNghHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > bob katz's mastering book is a MUST for every engineer. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 11:57:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256973BEE0; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 647470745 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Recent listening Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:57:52 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCE391@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4784EB85.1000706@vtx.ch> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recent listening Thread-Index: AchTgAdj8MBU0v7eSNu4feGVtb5bZg== References: <4784EB85.1000706@vtx.ch> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2008 11:57:53.0677 (UTC) FILETIME=[081803D0:01C85380] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:57:57 +0000 (UTC) I think the answer was in the question: >>Who is funkier than Maceo?-Miles<< :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 15:31:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2A1B3BEDD; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47863ABF.1000206@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:19 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - diy vacuum tubes! References: <20080109202054.weoei40l4wkk0484@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20080109202054.weoei40l4wkk0484@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:31:21 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Someone on another list pointed out this video of an amateur radio > operator who makes his own triode vacuum tubes from scratch! 17 > minutes long... just sit back and enjoy. > > http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/01/make_your_own_vaccum_tube.html > > Hope you don't mind me posting this to the list. Folks that love that > vintage tube sound might enjoy to see them being made. Not at all! Very interesting, he clearly knows his stuff. Just look at the transfer plots at testing. Bet he's also an expert on good wines ;) Besides, tubes aren't nessesarily vintage. For lotsa kinds of tones, I don't see anything replacing them in a foreseeable future.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:02:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C60C3BEDD; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47864196.9030503@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:02:30 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review of Nick Robinson's "Papermusic" References: <20080109202054.weoei40l4wkk0484@69.89.21.76> <47863ABF.1000206@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <47863ABF.1000206@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:02:34 +0000 (UTC) After an embarrassingly long wait for which I'm truly sorry (it was released a year ago), I've posted a review of Nick Robinson's "Papermusic", a compilation made as part of the Chain Tape Collective. Ten tunes, all composed of sounds made by paper...really. A bit of looping here and there too. http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Nick_Robinson.htm Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:19:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B7573BEDA; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:19:46 EST Subject: Re: Review of Nick Robinson's "Papermusic" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1e.200d5f35.34b79fa2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3tkPvC.A.RkH.tWkhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c1e.200d5f35.34b79fa2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/08 11:02:39 AM, highhorse@mhorse.com writes: > http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Nick_Robinson.htm > thanks daryl.....great review!.....michael ".....donuts, is there anything they can't do?" H.S. new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 --part1_c1e.200d5f35.34b79fa2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/10/08 11:02:39 AM, highhorse@mhorse.com writes:


http://www.swanwelder= .com/mutereactionary/Nick_Robinson.htm


thanks daryl.....great review!.....michael



".....donuts, is there anything they can't do?" H.S.

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID= =3Daolcmp00300000002489 --part1_c1e.200d5f35.34b79fa2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065F33BEDA; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:32:27 -0600 Subject: RE: Crackle during playback Thread-Topic: Crackle during playback Thread-Index: AchTa0ZMju9yOB7ES5uaHDVaXDv4zgAOSdQw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7142A26F6C5EC@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <129380.23368.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <759428530D960344B3CE83449AC768CF5E0828@FBCMST10V06.fbc.local> In-Reply-To: <759428530D960344B3CE83449AC768CF5E0828@FBCMST10V06.fbc.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:32:28 +0000 (UTC) [milco_montagna@alice.it] > My problem is different, it is systematic and is repeated every minute > even using a single software The fact that it occurs with XP but not with 2000 or MacOS suggests that there is something in XP that happens every minute that is consuming enough CPU to cause an audio dropout (crackle). If this is a fresh XP install, make sure that automatic Windows Update is turned off and the virus scanner is disabled. Sometimes there are applications installed by the PC manufacturer that try to access the net periodically to look for problems. Look in the icon bar in the lower right corner. If you see "Bigfix" or something that looks like a utility from the manufacturer, turn it off. This site has a lot of helpful information about tuning an XP machine for audio. www.musicxp.net I don't do everything they recommend, but it is very important that you turn off any background application that may access the network. The other thing it could be is the video card driver. Some video cards share memory with the CPU which can cause problems for audio devices. Make sure you have the latest XP driver for your video card. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 16:50:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32A693BEDF; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Livelooping Festival in Cologne, May31st Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:50:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c853a8$e0d4c230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C853B1.42992A30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchTqOACZ3qiQPcXRBaflrqF6LH/8Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:50:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C853B1.42992A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm planning a livelooping festival in Cologne, Germany, on May 31st. The venue is already booked: http://www.loft-koeln.de, a well known local jazz club (which recently saw a wonderful gig by Fred Frith) On the list so far: Rick Walker (who will stop here on his European tour) Markus Reuter (http://www.myspace.com/olderthangod) my friend Michael Frank (http://www.theabsurd.de) Michael Peters (http://www.michaelpeters.de - yup, myself) Possible (but not yet confirmed) other loop participants: Dirk Serries (http://www.myspace.com/fearfallsburning), also known as Vidna Obmana Harald Sack-Ziegler ( http://www.haraldsackziegler.de) Please let me know (maybe offlist) if you want to perform too. Michael (... now off to see a David Torn gig - yippee) ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C853B1.42992A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm planning a livelooping festival = in Cologne,=20 Germany, on May 31st.

The venue is already booked: http://www.loft-koeln.de, a = well known=20 local jazz club (which recently saw a wonderful gig by Fred = Frith)

On the=20 list so far:

Rick Walker (who will stop here on his European=20 tour)
Markus Reuter (http://www.myspace.com/older= thangod)
my=20 friend Michael Frank (http://www.theabsurd.de)
Michael = Peters=20 (http://www.michaelpeters.de = ;-=20 yup, myself)

Possible (but not yet confirmed) other loop=20 participants:

Dirk Serries (http://www.myspace.com/f= earfallsburning),=20 also known as Vidna Obmana
Harald Sack-Ziegler (http://www.haraldsackziegler.de)

Please let me know (maybe offlist) if you want to = perform=20 too.

Michael (... now off to see a David Torn = gig -=20 yippee)

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C853B1.42992A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 17:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C54E3BED6; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KMlYLaa3CD9CsYMc3PfGzaVw72xhNcUdSWBjlj2JMBE=; b=eKQavMiZYVQPbLPXIys4cAbnxErE2QOWPBAaDLYk8/HdvHUn/GUSOrTWXKPy/saDNu6zSqkgjOOGQJTW9HRTb8vRcISdsUq/Z1LEM1vuNukpU/rT2OFhF8/RzDLccisuvyRJl7UMfRnIP8vtaboyeC8orJ/rWQhww/YnCz/beK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rkU/5i2jiO0pHto8Oq0/myJbble7JghzUhukUp54p1WdG6kp7IifBGRHXwRtQfjCDT4pbfA0Oe1pr6XZAQL6kCMfyZ33pibK/pE7rIukSFNnq4cmtT+byE2bL0NwFOWTyYQhWsJRhBtQwcYHY8BgLxbiH6kxu/KhL/cUzJZ8e4Q= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:14:18 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Livelooping Festival in Cologne, May31st In-Reply-To: <001801c853a8$e0d4c230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001801c853a8$e0d4c230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:14:20 +0000 (UTC) report back about torn's... curious about how prezens are doing live. 2008/1/10, Michael Peters : > I'm planning a livelooping festival in Cologne, Germany, on May 31st. > > The venue is already booked: > http://www.loft-koeln.de, a well known local jazz club (which recently saw a > wonderful gig by Fred Frith) > > On the list so far: > > Rick Walker (who will stop here on his European tour) > Markus Reuter (http://www.myspace.com/olderthangod) > my friend Michael Frank (http://www.theabsurd.de) > Michael Peters (http://www.michaelpeters.de - yup, myself) > > Possible (but not yet confirmed) other loop participants: > > Dirk Serries (http://www.myspace.com/fearfallsburning), also known as Vidna > Obmana > Harald Sack-Ziegler ( > http://www.haraldsackziegler.de) > > Please let me know (maybe offlist) if you want to perform too. > > Michael (... now off to see a David Torn gig - yippee) > > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 18:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7333BED3; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Livelooping Festival in Cologne, May31st Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Michael, i'm interested ! Please let me know if there is enough room for me and which time i have to confirm my presence, 'cos i have to menage time with my daily job. Anyway, good luck and thanks for organizing it ! Best Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 18:50:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C76C73BED2; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080110125037.ypqzhx5m9wk4ksg8@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:50:37 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Livelooping Festival in Cologne, May31st References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I so much wish I could do this. Just a little too far to travel from Missouri. :( All the best for a successful festival! -- Kevin Quoting eterogeneo : > Michael, i'm interested ! > Please let me know if there is enough room for me and which time i have to > confirm my presence, 'cos i have to menage time with my daily job. > Anyway, good luck and thanks for organizing it ! > Best > Fabio > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 19:00:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE10F3BED3; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_86b3e1f6-3bdb-4a7a-b832-e1669b21311d_" X-Originating-IP: [77.86.97.109] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: edp to microkorg sync solved Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:30 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2008 19:00:30.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[11C8A110:01C853BB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:33 +0000 (UTC) --_86b3e1f6-3bdb-4a7a-b832-e1669b21311d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I wrote a few days ago to thank all those who helped me with advice. I had fixed the problem but wasnt sure how it happened.,then the problem ca= me back.... I luckily realised that the problem coincided with me putting my second e= dp into my setup. =20 SOLUTION........ =20 connect the edps with brother sync, then chain midi as dollows =20 midi foot pedal midi out----edp1 midi in---edp1 midi out----edp2 midi THRU(= that was the problem)---edp2 out---microkorg midi in =20 so there you go, i know thats not really interesting, but I thought if it = existed on the archives it might save someone time in the future =20 phill _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml= --_86b3e1f6-3bdb-4a7a-b832-e1669b21311d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
 
I wrote a few days ago to thank all those who helped me with advice.
I had fixed the problem but wasnt sure how it happened.,then the problem ca= me back....
 I luckily realised that the problem coincided with me  putting m= y second edp into my setup.
 
SOLUTION........
 
connect the edps with brother sync, then  chain midi as dollows
 
midi foot pedal midi out----edp1 midi in---edp1 midi out----edp2 midi THRU(= that was the problem)---edp2 out---microkorg midi in
 
so there you go, i know thats not really interesting, but  I thought i= f it existed on the archives it might save someone time in the future
 
phill

Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search Chara= des! = --_86b3e1f6-3bdb-4a7a-b832-e1669b21311d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 10 23:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65CDB3BEC7; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c5d29d4b-1146-492f-b550-2db20eb1fe2b_" X-Originating-IP: [4.236.30.237] From: Gemt kjxt To: Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:57:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DCDE1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801070227k1a13f2e0qa74a399919bc4a68@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DCDE1@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2008 23:57:29.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EAB0280:01C853E4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:57:30 +0000 (UTC) --_c5d29d4b-1146-492f-b550-2db20eb1fe2b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how do you feel about the removal of the continuous replace option in "repl= ace" mode. I find it annoying & confusing to hear the previous recorded l= oop while trying to replace it. ^G > Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:48:18 +0000 > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater Pro Software.<< >=20 > wasn't there going to be a new hardware version too? I have updated my > two with the new software &, while the new tricks are pretty fab > (independent stop/start/reverse being the favourite), I still have > ticking from some types of CFC, despite the low-noise mod. >=20 > d. >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_watchcause= --_c5d29d4b-1146-492f-b550-2db20eb1fe2b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how do you feel about the removal of the continuous replace option in "repl= ace" mode.  I find it annoying & confusing  to hear the previ= ous recorded loop while trying to replace it.

^G

> Subject= : RE: electrix repeater mkii
> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:48:18 +0000> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-d= elight.com
>
> >>I was referring to the Virtual Repeater= Pro Software.<<
>
> wasn't there going to be a new hard= ware version too? I have updated my
> two with the new software &= , while the new tricks are pretty fab
> (independent stop/start/rever= se being the favourite), I still have
> ticking from some types of CF= C, despite the low-noise mod.
>
> d.
>

W= atch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference.= Learn more = --_c5d29d4b-1146-492f-b550-2db20eb1fe2b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 03:05:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E62B3BECF; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ce887c61-9dda-44b2-a3a3-7f2ae7ae503f_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.132] From: samba - Subject: Free Discipline era Crimson live. Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:05:02 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 03:05:02.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[C242B790:01C853FE] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: <5ffZwC.A.8T.gzthHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:05:04 +0000 (UTC) --_ce887c61-9dda-44b2-a3a3-7f2ae7ae503f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is from Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert recordings= ,(Woflgang's Vault) all of which are free ,but you have to register.=20 =20 Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.Am= brose Bierce _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120= 08= --_ce887c61-9dda-44b2-a3a3-7f2ae7ae503f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is from Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert recordings= ,(Woflgang's Vault) all of which are free ,but you have to register.
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On Jan 11, 2008 11:05 AM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
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< http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/king-crimson-concert/20051005-3860.html>



Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
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Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Start sharing!



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cheers,

Wendy Phua
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 06:27:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EEA03BEB9; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.53.222.102] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:27:46 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 06:27:45.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[142FDB70:01C8541B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Hey fellow Loopists..... Recently I posted some questions pertaining to the Zvex LoFi Junky Looper. = Between the responses (thank you all very much...), and some further resea= rch, I decided to toss caution to the wind and just buy one. It arrived Tu= esday and I have been puttin' it thru the paces and thought I would share..= .. (I guess maybe I should try to post this to the LD site as well..... since = ther eis precious little info there on this box.) It is pretty damn cool. It is also quite small---which is nice. And, it i= s built very well (like a tank). The switches and knobs are top notch and t= he inside assembly is very thorough and clean (remarkable attention to deta= il there) and the components are all very high quality. It may be "lo-fi" b= ut it is not cheaply made (nor cheaply priced). So, first off what it doesn't do: No overdubs, layers, replace, reverse or = other loop manipulations...and no MIDI! It is a one-shot 20 sec max. analo= g looper. It also doesn't do pristine, hi-fi sound quality. And, it certainly is NOT= for everybody.... But what is does do is quite cool. More than anything it adds a certain "je= nais se quoi"; a vibe, an atmosphere to the loopage . Kinda like playing t= hru an old Supro amp or something; yes, it is a bit noisy and less than "pe= rfect" in sound quality, but there is something very inviting and comfortab= le about that. Being analog (and lo-fi) it can hiss (and careful setting of= the levels helps keep this in order), but the hiss and noise is strikingly= different that the hiss and noise found in digital devices....and what his= s there is seems to be masked by the playing to the loop (in fact it sort o= f melts into the music itself...). For this feature alone, to me, it is worth every dime. It injects somethin= g quite human, something quite blemished, worn and imperfect to my looping.= AS for the shortcoming of layers (or lack thereof), It is quite easy to r= e-sample the LoFi into a bigger more full featured looping device..... It does have true bypass and the instrument preamp which drives the unloope= d signal is of exceptional quality: a very high impedence (>5megOhm)input w= hich insures there is no loading or degradation of your signal (the looper = section does enough of that!!). It has a single passive tone control which is useful both for tone variatio= ns and controlling hiss. It has no freq response above 2.6kHz. This seems= like a somewhat severe limitation, but actually it helps produce a sound w= holly different than other loopers...and quite different than the source so= und fed into it (but drastically different....different in what to my ears = is a good way.......) The input/rec level is adjustable (as is the output) and the recording sect= ion can even be overdriven. The result is a very pleasing driven sound VER= Y different from the digital clipping other machines produce when hit too = hard. In fact, on my basses, the distortion produced here is very cool. It also has a cool vibrato circuit which can give anything from a warped LP= kind of warble to a psuedo Leslie spin to some rather jiggly modulations. = Of course, I am using this with bass and the effect is somewhat understate= d...but for my purposes that is perfect as I do not need to get to heavy ha= nded with modulations. It is more subtle than other fx, but it is also quit= e present and noticeable. The behavior of this vibrato circuit is somewhat unpredictable as well. Wh= ich I find very appealing. It is something of a loose cannon, unpredictable= yet still quite musical and useful. It does shimmer...but not like other m= odulation effects. And since the controls (rate and depth) are interactive = you're never quite sure jsut where the effect is gonna land........pretty n= eat. All in all I am very pleased. I have some other looping devices (modded Le= xicon JamMan, EDP, Headrush, DL4), but this is quickly becoming my favorite= ---it seems especially geared towards my direction in looping in which the = looping is not so much a feature in itself, but rather a necessary and inte= gral part of the compositions and performances, and as such is somewhat ste= althy in its appearance--never static and not always present--, and usually= neither dense nor drone-y. I am sure the limitations of this little box make it "less than ideal" for = a great number of loopists, yet for me it does something special...and that= is quite inspiring. I have a solo show next week...and the LoFi will definitely get some game-t= ime. Max _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 07:45:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10953BEC7; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KqmM5cUhpjB6B04u4RWZYIjD5Hk5TDKmdahD30+oSN8vuez5HiHhZtd6B0zi85od; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5564337.1200037501020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:45:00 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4836ac5b135c1a3b10363a4e11ded2ba563ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:45:01 +0000 (UTC) hey m ax- Welcome...to...the...Machine -----Original Message----- >From: max valentino >Sent: Jan 10, 2008 10:27 PM >To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper > > > >Hey fellow Loopists..... >Recently I posted some questions pertaining to the Zvex LoFi Junky Looper. Between the responses (thank you all very much...), and some further research, I decided to toss caution to the wind and just buy one. It arrived Tuesday and I have been puttin' it thru the paces and thought I would share.... >(I guess maybe I should try to post this to the LD site as well..... since ther eis precious little info there on this box.) > >It is pretty damn cool. It is also quite small---which is nice. And, it is built very well (like a tank). The switches and knobs are top notch and the inside assembly is very thorough and clean (remarkable attention to detail there) and the components are all very high quality. It may be "lo-fi" but it is not cheaply made (nor cheaply priced). > >So, first off what it doesn't do: No overdubs, layers, replace, reverse or other loop manipulations...and no MIDI! It is a one-shot 20 sec max. analog looper. > >It also doesn't do pristine, hi-fi sound quality. And, it certainly is NOT for everybody.... > >But what is does do is quite cool. More than anything it adds a certain "je nais se quoi"; a vibe, an atmosphere to the loopage . Kinda like playing thru an old Supro amp or something; yes, it is a bit noisy and less than "perfect" in sound quality, but there is something very inviting and comfortable about that. Being analog (and lo-fi) it can hiss (and careful setting of the levels helps keep this in order), but the hiss and noise is strikingly different that the hiss and noise found in digital devices....and what hiss there is seems to be masked by the playing to the loop (in fact it sort of melts into the music itself...). > >For this feature alone, to me, it is worth every dime. It injects something quite human, something quite blemished, worn and imperfect to my looping. AS for the shortcoming of layers (or lack thereof), It is quite easy to re-sample the LoFi into a bigger more full featured looping device..... > >It does have true bypass and the instrument preamp which drives the unlooped signal is of exceptional quality: a very high impedence (>5megOhm)input which insures there is no loading or degradation of your signal (the looper section does enough of that!!). > >It has a single passive tone control which is useful both for tone variations and controlling hiss. It has no freq response above 2.6kHz. This seems like a somewhat severe limitation, but actually it helps produce a sound wholly different than other loopers...and quite different than the source sound fed into it (but drastically different....different in what to my ears is a good way.......) > >The input/rec level is adjustable (as is the output) and the recording section can even be overdriven. The result is a very pleasing driven sound VERY different from the digital clipping other machines produce when hit too hard. In fact, on my basses, the distortion produced here is very cool. > >It also has a cool vibrato circuit which can give anything from a warped LP kind of warble to a psuedo Leslie spin to some rather jiggly modulations. Of course, I am using this with bass and the effect is somewhat understated...but for my purposes that is perfect as I do not need to get to heavy handed with modulations. It is more subtle than other fx, but it is also quite present and noticeable. > >The behavior of this vibrato circuit is somewhat unpredictable as well. Which I find very appealing. It is something of a loose cannon, unpredictable yet still quite musical and useful. It does shimmer...but not like other modulation effects. And since the controls (rate and depth) are interactive you're never quite sure jsut where the effect is gonna land........pretty neat. > >All in all I am very pleased. I have some other looping devices (modded Lexicon JamMan, EDP, Headrush, DL4), but this is quickly becoming my favorite---it seems especially geared towards my direction in looping in which the looping is not so much a feature in itself, but rather a necessary and integral part of the compositions and performances, and as such is somewhat stealthy in its appearance--never static and not always present--, and usually neither dense nor drone-y. > >I am sure the limitations of this little box make it "less than ideal" for a great number of loopists, yet for me it does something special...and that is quite inspiring. > >I have a solo show next week...and the LoFi will definitely get some game-time. > >Max >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. >http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 08:00:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB893BECF; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:00:23 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SXCsg4XFwjUzsyct6OcLcZ4/vwmoOEug5RJmEtutN/VLGevQ6agdsI/ckgtcbvalG028VLxqDbXAN9cwADQX6hm3dNaMdVS6eQyftdNPHdfIhTSl08H6AI/3dzb6aV5rj13izyBHF1HruIjjQOWSzWGli4ejoehd0x5luKXRtrw=; X-YMail-OSG: CmJHsPMVM1lFj45V7sAaKH6O.vJcAcJ9JX_dMysqo1zAMJwhDRJ755oJrGxwDFhP.g2OGImAZEeQGo8S702_ths8QlTjH8T0wPpVLcMG1JjX8CF7PTY1_5LipjpFZ.rlpqqGjE0bzQcifC1Rhz71WYIXow-- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:53:41 -0800 (PST) From: jan gyn Subject: RE: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5564337.1200037501020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <212574.5819.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <40Hc-B.A.l2G.YIyhHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) I have one, like it. But I use my Boss RC-2 more, because of the 16 minute length. -jan > >Hey fellow Loopists..... > >Recently I posted some questions pertaining to the > Zvex LoFi Junky Looper. Between the responses > (thank you all very much...), and some further > research, I decided to toss caution to the wind and > just buy one. It arrived Tuesday and I have been > puttin' it thru the paces and thought I would > share.... > >(I guess maybe I should try to post this to the LD > site as well..... since ther eis precious little > info there on this box.) > > > >It is pretty damn cool. It is also quite > small---which is nice. And, it is built very well > (like a tank). The switches and knobs are top notch > and the inside assembly is very thorough and clean > (remarkable attention to detail there) and the > components are all very high quality. It may be > "lo-fi" but it is not cheaply made (nor cheaply > priced). > > > >So, first off what it doesn't do: No overdubs, > layers, replace, reverse or other loop > manipulations...and no MIDI! It is a one-shot 20 > sec max. analog looper. > > > >It also doesn't do pristine, hi-fi sound quality. > And, it certainly is NOT for everybody.... > > > >But what is does do is quite cool. More than > anything it adds a certain "je nais se quoi"; a > vibe, an atmosphere to the loopage . Kinda like > playing thru an old Supro amp or something; yes, it > is a bit noisy and less than "perfect" in sound > quality, but there is something very inviting and > comfortable about that. Being analog (and lo-fi) it > can hiss (and careful setting of the levels helps > keep this in order), but the hiss and noise is > strikingly different that the hiss and noise found > in digital devices....and what hiss there is seems > to be masked by the playing to the loop (in fact it > sort of melts into the music itself...). > > > >For this feature alone, to me, it is worth every > dime. It injects something quite human, something > quite blemished, worn and imperfect to my looping. > AS for the shortcoming of layers (or lack thereof), > It is quite easy to re-sample the LoFi into a bigger > more full featured looping device..... > > > >It does have true bypass and the instrument preamp > which drives the unlooped signal is of exceptional > quality: a very high impedence (>5megOhm)input which > insures there is no loading or degradation of your > signal (the looper section does enough of that!!). > > > >It has a single passive tone control which is > useful both for tone variations and controlling > hiss. It has no freq response above 2.6kHz. This > seems like a somewhat severe limitation, but > actually it helps produce a sound wholly different > than other loopers...and quite different than the > source sound fed into it (but drastically > different....different in what to my ears is a good > way.......) > > > >The input/rec level is adjustable (as is the > output) and the recording section can even be > overdriven. The result is a very pleasing driven > sound VERY different from the digital clipping other > machines produce when hit too hard. In fact, on my > basses, the distortion produced here is very cool. > > > >It also has a cool vibrato circuit which can give > anything from a warped LP kind of warble to a psuedo > Leslie spin to some rather jiggly modulations. Of > course, I am using this with bass and the effect is > somewhat understated...but for my purposes that is > perfect as I do not need to get to heavy handed with > modulations. It is more subtle than other fx, but it > is also quite present and noticeable. > > > >The behavior of this vibrato circuit is somewhat > unpredictable as well. Which I find very appealing. > It is something of a loose cannon, unpredictable yet > still quite musical and useful. It does > shimmer...but not like other modulation effects. And > since the controls (rate and depth) are interactive > you're never quite sure jsut where the effect is > gonna land........pretty neat. > > > >All in all I am very pleased. I have some other > looping devices (modded Lexicon JamMan, EDP, > Headrush, DL4), but this is quickly becoming my > favorite---it seems especially geared towards my > direction in looping in which the looping is not so > much a feature in itself, but rather a necessary and > integral part of the compositions and performances, > and as such is somewhat stealthy in its > appearance--never static and not always present--, > and usually neither dense nor drone-y. > > > >I am sure the limitations of this little box make > it "less than ideal" for a great number of loopists, > yet for me it does something special...and that is > quite inspiring. > > > >I have a solo show next week...and the LoFi will > definitely get some game-time. > > > >Max ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 08:17:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E013BEDA; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Free Discipline era Crimson live. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c8542a$6511e3d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C85432.C6D64BD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchUKSdN0hI2M8XnSD6G/IJjZutlQwAARBww In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:17:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C85432.C6D64BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This is from Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert recordings,(Woflgang's Vault) all of which are free ,but you have to register. I wonder if all the artists whose music is offered here get paid by Wolfgang's Vault. Does anyone know? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C85432.C6D64BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>=20 This is from Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live = concert=20 recordings,(Woflgang's Vault) all of which are free ,but you have to=20 register. 
 
I wonder=20 if all the artists whose music is offered here get paid by Wolfgang's=20 Vault. Does anyone know?
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C85432.C6D64BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 08:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A30E3BEB9; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Free Discipline era Crimson live. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c8542c$cbc552e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchUKSdN0hI2M8XnSD6G/IJjZutlQwAA0heA In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:34:40 +0000 (UTC) > Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert recordings,(Woflgang's Vault) all of which are free None of the artists get paid for this. Wolfgang's Vault are being sued by artists that include Bob Weir, Jimmy Page, Bruce Springsteen and many others. -m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 09:31:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0855B3BEAF; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4787377C.8010501@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:31:40 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 References: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill schrieb: > BTW, which are the interfaces currently available which have a s/w (or > remote) controllable analogue output gain stage? Why analog output gain? On stage there will never be a problem to controll output level digitally with your software, I don't see any advantage or even difference... rs@moinlabs.de schrieb: > I mean "roadworthy" in the sense of going on the road as a musician. > A "roadworthy package" for something that usually sits on some kind > of table or stand during performance is a package where the device > will not suffer damage if it gets thrown off the table onto the > (possibly hard) stage or even audience space floor. That would suggest that Zoë isn't playing a roadworthy instrument. If you throw a cello on the hard stage it will break, which might be even true as well for a guitar... My computer is my instrument, I take care of it, it won't fall. And the paranoid just carry a second one as backup... Roadworthy for me is that you can pack it safely to carry it around with as little weight as possible... (Thats probably the reason why you insist on half rack space for your specs to an audio interface. I am pretty sure it does only exist as a full rack for all the other specs) > You're of course right that it works really well if you put it into a > sturdy case and only unpack it when you don't play music ;) You can also take a Mac mini, preconfigure it to load all the magic automatically and only attach a monitor for trouble shooting... (The mini for the weight and size (and firewire), all rackspace computers are too heavy and big to be considered roadworthy according to our specs... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 09:40:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716E03BEB9; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6Ihc0CHf3UJFu4UVaP6YkIcIGFNfkhHoqM4R526iHdc=; b=uO/2JytNqNCijcFGGa7XPgIRaYhmFc2URCx0TtW0h/HPiWDbNkVP/hVLVxi8A+HpD6zKpkF7ASrC0nhNU8s8n/N3/73SKKXg7U3Ay1+JMw+aQQDEVH7Bg6A0o8BgV3pmDNey3/auDFt41bbpcgFeCjoHcuiU28EzoZFf5PqMoLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kLwXF/pHzXxmrq2XriSlZ0J4jVAB//jgusskjXR52rg4fHvcSfB8yX8PtP6mxydTYOqr8DoV067lKJhQxuCIxdoyxx1G9qvNCx1MFmfIaCSaYE2zB9GPJsvleXCS9Sk/NcWnYtzbdxLic7ExD+qr0RLAPfGsE4gN9KTXJXDEThs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801110140mb8232bfr2b3118bcef50ca04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:40:19 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-Reply-To: <4787377C.8010501@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000401c850ae$fda17e50$1001a8c0@succubus> <4787377C.8010501@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:40:21 +0000 (UTC) One thing I'd like to see in 2008 is a good AU looper for Mac. Related to that I don't care much about the the other four things. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 09:45:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB3B83BECA; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=JkxWOUL+yjLZGevHmBBZJQzYI84WtyegVsFbUtjkZq4=; b=rcliwCvsIS0gcbD4nmzmqsSlXMkvAhGNVxKHkJuCUp0Rey2rF2Se/7tww5sf7WDT+V1zHB+bWvPzryaklIuQDnto2K454WYbSuWvU6oPN5mVVcRkzKJotltTJQahVSsuA9l0wm+ofIJZhvxI03WJHP0BqBkK9fCKmZ7OSUo0fj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MHxZE0ms9U9J5DEilzB4mcWIB0u9x7/P3Wvf3pOKIomsFQhfCKm0sBZ+42bn9kcNJ6q5Uljb54xKEynnkmMVCqh0Cr2U90atCexB+WH8tp++I4zWp81ENsdKuKTITH3oMRuNdlSsUbs2GZQFi5vn/cBmmlvwCIhAHS5chYzSyFQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801110145x78b9b26aic92b93c4fb78809a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:45:39 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: 2nd Swedish Looping Tour - May 2008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Dear friends, I'd like to inform you about what's going to happen in Sweden during May. I have received a sponsorship form The Swedish Grants Committee to do a tour in Sweden and part of the funding goes to travel costs for flying in Rick Walker as my permanent guest artist. My obligation to the sponsor is not only to book and perform concerts but also to offer Swedish music schools clinics by me and Rick. An important part of my concept is to invite Local Guest Players from the Swedish cities we're visiting to sit in with us or do their own sets. Details on this project are published at www.looproom.com. It all starts on May 1st and I will publish the gig dates a couple of weeks in advance. Anyone in Sweden with the interest of helping this project should hurry to contact me while the touring schedule is still "work in progress". I do not have a budget for paying additional performers, but if any looper from abroad should happen to be around Sweden during May and wants to perform somewhere along the line, please send me a note! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 12:53:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E21983BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 710978562 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C85450.EBFBD183" Subject: RE: electrix repeater mkii Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCE878@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: electrix repeater mkii Thread-Index: AchUUOu5m0gulMMFRZiFeF88F0EcWw== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 12:53:11.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC19CD90:01C85450] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:53:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85450.EBFBD183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>how do you feel about the removal of the continuous replace option in "replace" mode. I find it annoying & confusing to hear the previous recorded loop while trying to replace it. << =20 never used it. it sounds a bit like when you are programming a "song" on an old tb303, & the thing keeps playing the pattern that's already in the slot you're trying to over-write. I used to get around this by programming the thing with the sound turned off, then checking it afterwards. =20 really, all I've played with is the individual transport control. they mailed out another update a couple of months ago, which I ignored because it was close to a gig & I didn't want to be relearning the machine on-stage. now I'd better look for that mail & see what on earth it was about. =20 duncan. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85450.EBFBD183 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>how do you feel about = the removal=20 of the continuous replace option in "replace" mode.  I find it = annoying=20 & confusing  to hear the previous recorded loop while trying to = replace=20 it. <<
 
never used = it. it sounds a=20 bit like when you are programming a "song" on an old tb303, & = the thing=20 keeps playing the pattern that's already in the slot you're trying to=20 over-write. I used to get around this by programming the thing with the = sound=20 turned off, then checking it afterwards.
 
really, all = I've played=20 with is the individual transport control. they mailed out another update = a=20 couple of months ago, which I ignored because it was close to a gig = & I=20 didn't want to be relearning the machine on-stage. now I'd better look = for that=20 mail & see what on earth it was about.
 
duncan.  
------_=_NextPart_001_01C85450.EBFBD183-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:14:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB573BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAd3kfQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:15:22 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002001c85464$c905c340$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4787377C.8010501@addcom.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchUNMKaugJk18hOQpOlH5gaqtTGjwALjhFw Resent-Message-ID: <6sTOZB.A.kVG.pf4hHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) > Why analog output gain? On stage there will never be a=20 > problem to controll output level digitally with your=20 > software, I don't see any advantage or even difference... The question here did not specifically refer to onstage use (for onstage use, the requirement for some kind of remote control is normally not necessary, as you point out). But even for control of these levels: take e.g. the RME Fireface series, which (with otherwise great specs) don't = have level control for the ouputs after the converters - which means you need = to use a separate device, if you do (for some reasons) plug directly into = the PA. Also, for considerations regarding my home setup, the lack of that control was a showstopper for the Fireface, because I want to have that master volume knob for my nearfields in easy reach and don't want to = have the cables going to the nearfields running all across my desktop. Good examples, on the other hand, include the Presonus Firestudio = (optional remote) and the TC Konnekt48 (remote supplied), or even the Marian UCON (software-controlled gain stage). > rs@moinlabs.de schrieb: > > I mean "roadworthy" in the sense of going on the road as a=20 > musician. > Roadworthy for me is that you can pack it safely to carry it=20 > around with as little weight as possible... (Thats probably=20 Roadworthy for me is this: http://www.digitallogic.ch/fileadmin/dlag/files/Produkte/Datasheets/MPC/8= 142 00DS_D.pdf Protection class IP65 (completely sealed, protected against particles, submerging in water and heavy water jets) operational temperature -40 to 85=B0C, 16/150G vibration/shock proof. If I drop that off a table or somebody pours beer over it, it'll still = work. My instrument (whichever one I play just at that moment) is better protected, simply because I always have it close to my body. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 15:21:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2BF13BECC; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINJAd3kfQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 2nd Swedish Looping Tour - May 2008 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:21:39 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002101c85465$aa07ff20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801110145x78b9b26aic92b93c4fb78809a@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchUNrpDCJMZxp1qTJOmkxMHONxg2gALn2vw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:01 +0000 (UTC) > I'd like to inform you about what's going to happen in Sweden=20 > during May. I have received a sponsorship form The Swedish=20 Way to go, Per! This getting sponsorships seems to be the deal these = days...with nearly =E2=82=AC40k I spent last year on tax/levy, if it was = depending on the principle of a constitutional state, there should be = something in, too...but then I believe it will most probably go all into = politicans' holidays, funding wars in Africa, invading Afghanistan, = supporting deforesting the rain forest, alimenting arab terrorists and = similar projects... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 16:10:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448F63BEB6; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Hg61VDRLmbZzZcBqkErmIMDY1hIQYuwvgDa5GI3nkLQ=; b=CUclSfwyObYWd9R7Iq+JVmoMSB2/kDjLs4LrE2oM5s1BC+NYvOlYE9MSQsSZEZfbFKk7Me2afV3RdeqR43JrIcgJHAAPwFW8DE/u348CJA46N2BrvATC2BbCrRlCQdQRQAfGKES1a97y17zCRaJqhmQIUGQq8gPyEyEauvOBe2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=xkop/9Pld4Zzxs7HbqbP1iBCve+Vj6DXQbMvo1QUqq/o3f2yVDyeUOg5nZIQksNNPMYNV5KTW7toFy2+sB0ShYPeIUIEya753VOJVMfG2bXH4Du6+pmSzveXhtJDekMG/RcTEo5n8Cvkl969VORjKG/kDISQXdh+xUrXzNRbv9U= Message-ID: <37f071c00801110810x79fc4a1bhd5bbff26cc5287f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:10:37 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free Discipline era Crimson live. In-Reply-To: <003301c8542c$cbc552e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1649_2011018.1200067837203" References: <003301c8542c$cbc552e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:10:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1649_2011018.1200067837203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, unless they're lying (always a possibility), this is what the site itself says about it http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/permalink/8820/8820/ShowThread.aspx#8820 The artists are paid pretty well according to that document. FWIW, I don't think the lawsuits were about getting paid, I think they were/are about controlling the material itself. But I'm not certain so take that as you will. Kevin On Jan 11, 2008 12:34 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert > recordings,(Woflgang's > Vault) all of which are free > > None of the artists get paid for this. Wolfgang's Vault are being sued by > artists that include Bob Weir, Jimmy Page, Bruce Springsteen and many > others. > > -m > > ------=_Part_1649_2011018.1200067837203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, unless they're lying (always a possibility), this is what the site itself says about it

http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/permalink/8820/8820/ShowThread.aspx#8820

The artists are paid pretty well according to that document.

FWIW, I don't think the lawsuits were about getting paid, I think they were/are about controlling the material itself.  But I'm not certain so take that as you will.

Kevin


On Jan 11, 2008 12:34 AM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert recordings,(Woflgang's
Vault) all of which are free

None of the artists get paid for this. Wolfgang's Vault are being sued by
artists that include Bob Weir, Jimmy Page, Bruce Springsteen and many
others.

-m


------=_Part_1649_2011018.1200067837203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 16:33:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD4C3BED2; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ff/akN2GB3O/jubhLBn6Qpi4wPZgVr3T/QJaiWOIG9g=; b=i9MPQ+Abrjnni16clDYEH8WSIUUwlOHUu6UiSrtIKwBxPxzHu9Z+yOWeBfeaxAX0yanJW0P+4t+rwngzV3kp+DcQtNv1rb2eF+zYam/fQbu52sRUEkois/6VnDEy8Katy3YhWPyqViJEQ8bk4NwCoOpLnZaTdqFUCbwE+cvS3Js= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iZRqcOlE8ei0iy649xLQ45gFKinX4PeZeWCVucTm5h3dr0YdgzzObXPjhGv1tHeNXnt4fZWUJZEjWWE3wObTZGMPqnglSZsb89Ei2JUelFCnCY2GKybh0HpIDtIawCN4NADMckBD0fh6iqs217pLMP77+J/diUypDb4JolkICAw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:33:37 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free Discipline era Crimson live. In-Reply-To: <37f071c00801110810x79fc4a1bhd5bbff26cc5287f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003301c8542c$cbc552e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <37f071c00801110810x79fc4a1bhd5bbff26cc5287f2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:33:39 +0000 (UTC) According to some discussion on the Adrian Belew list and an email from Sid at DGM, the artists (specifically Fripp) are not getting paid. Some of the lawsuits are for the memorabilia, some are for the broadcast rights. I don't see how the artists can sue over the memorabilia, but the broadcast stuff.. sure. Tony On Jan 11, 2008 11:10 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Well, unless they're lying (always a possibility), this is what the site > itself says about it > > http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/permalink/8820/8820/ShowThread.aspx#8820 > > The artists are paid pretty well according to that document. > > FWIW, I don't think the lawsuits were about getting paid, I think they > were/are about controlling the material itself. But I'm not certain so take > that as you will. > > Kevin > > > > > On Jan 11, 2008 12:34 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > > > > Bill Graham's extenseive collection of live concert > recordings,(Woflgang's > > Vault) all of which are free > > > > None of the artists get paid for this. Wolfgang's Vault are being sued by > > artists that include Bob Weir, Jimmy Page, Bruce Springsteen and many > > others. > > > > -m > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 16:40:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 252C53BED2; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 385 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:51 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BqAhyPHZmALQWVBHaLFDLxfV/KA+isYtegcVk29pZ14=; b=quqMXK1bWYfH5fi1skqGZODFsgqhrC9AfpvPqal2ivWa60dJXhAvWgXLvLDtYU8otTraKEN7TEe5Mm2iIKV26Fnb995DeBB5Oo3671IMDMrzz1iy0pQMs1dte3prnJUsyKo9nqyEiO0imPURPTY6PqOgy/7DAGrVrFVQ1g1EN+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VmyznMuk/y6wWv8F83+4rsKiANydkYmThUBktNRirw5z4tij5H88YErqAiAA2TbEUHEySW9O3SHImphaq8blaczg6qT/6mvypFqCEhYhkHSiVMD6hDEkz9x9tTom1t4mrNA21UYpf3tkNehfbFkCG/3yNxAVBAaCOibbCi7D++Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:34:24 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free Discipline era Crimson live. In-Reply-To: <37f071c00801110810x79fc4a1bhd5bbff26cc5287f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003301c8542c$cbc552e0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <37f071c00801110810x79fc4a1bhd5bbff26cc5287f2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_hZHWC.A.AmB.Tw5hHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:52 +0000 (UTC) It appears that the don't get paid for streams though, and given how easy it is to save streams, I think this a major bone of contention between the artists, who found themselves in an financial agreement with Wolfgang's Vault ex post facto. On Jan 11, 2008 8:10 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > Well, unless they're lying (always a possibility), this is what the site itself says about it > > http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/permalink/8820/8820/ShowThread.aspx#8820 > > The artists are paid pretty well according to that document. > > FWIW, I don't think the lawsuits were about getting paid, I think they were/are about controlling the material itself. But I'm not certain so take that as you will. > > Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 17:38:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CB13BEC1; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 568 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:38:52 UTC X-Trace: 17259496/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALI1h0c+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIqk0 From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Daryl Shawn Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:29:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Review of Nick Robinson's "Papermusic" Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4787A765.16526.1BC344F@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <47864196.9030503@mhorse.com> References: <47864196.9030503@mhorse.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:38:53 +0000 (UTC) On 10 Jan 2008 at 10:02, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I've posted a review of Nick Robinson's "Papermusic", And a very fair review it is - thanks! I hope you like my forthcoming "birds and men" projects due for completion at the end of this month. I also contributed to "great speeches" and "CT Teisha". I can't speak highly enough of the CT group for anyone who wants to fully express themselves with few restraints, and the projects are so inspiring. >A bit of looping here and there too. My track is full of it ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 18:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07EB43BEB2; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:03:03 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CbJU1HSUGniFixBsZPyZzh7oPeBqOtgLNaWwi5jhpyVnZW4NQAY7/leFRRt6s/9is+xOJJwdTsMzlnNgEXPlvA4LjTrH9ao3Tld9Rcjzl8962ORh3qAy/U09rJu1X7SYzIKZ8TWccS378k1yH2a5TZFyse5FvqRK8mFZ4dHGdTM=; X-YMail-OSG: UXaywKkVM1mQhW8iK.WyukEV28viJOLm6Z0g16IwgQK1zN1trFsjaRS0aqPeyD7kDZrR8o046wU_IsymUW55jFG2FfOoraQONxGmfuYcAjxMK7QITNg- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: [Gig Spam] Livelooping/Experimental night in Toledo,Jan 12th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080110125037.ypqzhx5m9wk4ksg8@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1lryP.A.lfE.X96hHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC) I know this is very late notice... But I thought what the heck. Those of you Midwestern types close enough to go might want to know about this. There will be collaborations with several local musicians and mostly live looping solo acts at ROK BAR formerly The Woodshed at 128 Main street Toledo Ohio 43605. Just down the street from Frankie's. I will be going on around 11:20 I highly recommend these musicians. please check out my myspace and you will find all performers in my top friends. Please check them out and give them feedback as they deserve the support. myspace.com/mesqua The show is being put together by surrent. myspace.com/surrent Set 1: 9:00-9:20 - Calvin Cordy 9:30-9:50 - Bramble 10:00-10:20 - The Aroma of Women Set 2: 10:40-11:00 - A Useful Idiot 11:05-11:15 - Surrent (+AUI/SG?) 11:20-11:40 - Steven Guerrero Set 3: 12:00-12:20 - Frequent Seize 12:30-12:50 - Anton 1:05-1:25 - Cryptids www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 18:49:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EBFC3BEC1; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 392 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:49:50 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4gD8+w+bYyeU6EvAL6qwpBJuxJICA8U1o1JJIk5MSbg=; b=di7ewDRIjeVq90ljkJFHk0YC25N5vt6fEukDnL5CGBDAtzJdfU2y+QmyQ6UesJzbG2bA9f8Cgq9kLJgVgdpdVKamrXpxAdjImEeCZ7pt+8x0Wr8P9Djc61nc2MCv+xYdhW8A3kxiQ/EOET1elZxle508wKvW+HkcjrwId9oXJPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XEzsrJPdhcduXVETTuOtAVJvqq4NHxr9fa3tzVzOiSUZuu816NZZ7iWMm9j/dRNoDe2PS/8UPzlhaqzrC1cyvcpWTy3E0GGh9E/kz9bAr/hhFTaNQncE0jkHvwu7qtWdPdE1n0FMnuEbFi8rWWzToeA84t2ZWJKlyGxrgHsGdrY= Message-ID: <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600 From: Daniel Dingeldein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Looping signal chain References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Got a couple of questions. 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal route? Thanks, Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:00:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71EDA3BEC2; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2LuVhWNnXzphGFnZhA59d/s6hxgbaOvCByW8i6ftX9U=; b=wBYNg3eWWvxSUxLCra9r05I1FsuEz9cfc1uF/VuitfkeEFqOIhmnKnQRTM4ycktkkjoEO8Hr5p6RUIGo2EDX0nTFR2X7X3E/YE0xopR/F+1Ur8f3UbmDnXmTcV9++Rb5Pgy4K4vL5QMr+I2cyoqZKF6OLWUTYzxGqhMJ5M2Mq4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I6BHKyIzso3/ITtm1T338It5553zmCt/dYV577aKMYMmKEi38zbb9UGdCGNZgRGLt3KwGTYFHyTLLjVpG2iheImcjl7mGbDNUetpQvKTm8NLQ6zSStaYZHo6LUGJRobwE+OzufZA43j1//7DcYpDSAiYL3wqvxMR8UOce0c9RFw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:54:05 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:00:23 +0000 (UTC) I put loopers after everything except for the reverb. I use a mixer to keep loopers in parallel, they're each assigned to an effects send. On Jan 11, 2008 10:42 AM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Got a couple of questions. > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal route? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:42:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10863BEAF; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XCV5TdOpgkM3fzk8sHPpDpQcNh+AiooLkue7NqFaZn9TQUfZD3rJXY/Zzjl/9iKX6r42WMFazls/7GqRlLhXuoTzPt04kcdiMMGRxk6FPY1luN2Pw+VD1YvJo0PB2EdNfAyU6LVuED5upg4/yQZX4HF/6Cdx7rzrg7mM4QHMMug=; X-YMail-OSG: ct3XQJoVM1l3mDxA86wi1r2IiLZ3OGF5Dwu5YHx7MAzvwWN.0JpMOd6tKcAY1KN8KKFN9dGZAS1pWXBEYovdpXkUNhwSDKPiqKq7etIjeBD3Dlhv6iU- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:42:19 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <773751.1188.qm@web34512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_bMdKB.A.Pb.da8hHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:42:21 +0000 (UTC) I put my loopers after everything as well. I have however experimented with a holy stain with expression pedal between my DL4 and RC20-XL for the pitch shift. It has yet to prove incredibly useful but it has been fun. I have yet to venture into using my mixer to split signals. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I put loopers after everything except for the > reverb. > I use a mixer to keep loopers in parallel, they're > each assigned to an > effects send. > > On Jan 11, 2008 10:42 AM, Daniel Dingeldein > wrote: > > Got a couple of questions. > > > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where > in the signal chain do > > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am > wanting to incorporate it. > > > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use > a AB switch and put > > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them > on the same signal route? > > > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 19:55:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461243BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 394 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:55:57 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=H5T1fhv/HLX/DnKHXt0u5xcBtGihfpScWF6QU4M30fc=; b=mmKupOXQnmxHho5IB80miUOhvo2oc4HYXSMNgz5TEaLAJ7gYjc3vbwFXCawX4di4wMluIW5vnggyvSclMc3VjSAF7/1UlZWqsQeyFcPVB8k+R5JE1lajm/Q2vp4pqAm1oRYZOe8Qx6VrZRI6acSC1W1EtxyqEKeLj7B4LAxBhYw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kNr81AN6fbYf3hs5jK88P0OoLh2eCX1N36JUrE1jg/QQhXkCfgpULtJ/bh9xcUmPPOaX2OQGRe7uDPiOYsR2RPqIqhjyzPo2JgPw8rJscU2urGg9TxtU9GD4QKCBjnVHH41Z9tH8R3wBGfEKla2U0nOTW3cBlVBZ0rJfqZjypqo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:49:22 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <773751.1188.qm@web34512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2855_28472371.1200080962303" References: <773751.1188.qm@web34512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:55:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2855_28472371.1200080962303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Everthing else--> Echoplex --> Volume Pedal --> Direct Box --> PA. http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html In my setup the RC-20s are only being used to play back drum loops. -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_2855_28472371.1200080962303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Everthing else--> Echoplex --> Volume Pedal --> Direct Box --> PA.
 
 
In my setup the RC-20s are only being used to play back drum loops.
 

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Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_2855_28472371.1200080962303-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 20:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456523BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1N7AUoTOaz4Mxhnx5LRQ9iMJeiQFzUe9sVaPqYo4rIk=; b=ZF2zh06DokABiT6xOl0yJorKK0QpZflKousdG/c7Rfh2hK57nBd04vS36ZjOhdWjBE6v/fKfxuva3DyjuiOHFiYXyuW/lkXq0qIZ62A5aikc82APQ3ipwR4jq3Z44mKF6hqIGmwKgMQedfrzMV2UGFcw+MHqSQpPWNS/ggRVS/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PsqGkBnfcZSmgTP6AhJf9OEHXY1kar1BB+ifAiJIMl6KRQBWa5myKfw4hpWITiNvPxjCcThkcl5QlwzIjlbjJOlQY+4NJFSaBMupcbPpeRoQtPGYh6Nf6q6Z7zsREdN4JfTgRdvUzB786iuwOs4kg+b//kjiMaFrG0ZlgUG2Ju4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:24:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:24:49 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Got a couple of questions. > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal route? > > Thanks, > Daniel 1. I like to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effects as part of the sound I'm working with. 2. I simply split the signal to all loopers. The loopers I put into Record mode records, the others don't. I on signal split bypasses the loopers and goes directly to the output, since all loopers are set to "wet" mode. I'm not saying this way is better, I just find it easy to handle for the music I like to make. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 20:28:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D134B3BEC7; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0hxEW7Sxg== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Live Looping signal chain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:28:41 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c85490$8dfad930$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchUgr/GDNwFvbwCS+GN2o0F3d+kgwADBmjw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:05 +0000 (UTC) > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the > signal chain do you place your looper? I have a JamMan and > am wanting to incorporate it. > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB > switch and put the loopers on different paths or do you keep > them on the same signal route? Hi Daniel, first, let me ask: Digitech or Lexicon Jamman? Then, the answers are three parts each, namely because there are setups A, B and C. A: computer-based (Ableton Live as host and kinda-MIDI-looper, Mobius as looper) B: big hardware setup (Repeater, D2, Eclipse, Korg KP2 and DL4 connected to a mixer) C: small hardware setup (including DD20, SMM w/Hazari and Korg KP3, although I think about throwing out both). 1. I'm a firm believer in the concept that effects should be possible both before and after the looper. Hence: A: the two Mobius returns have access to all effect sends, as well as having track inserts each (DJ EQ, Compressor, MadShifta). Of course, every effect can be sent to the looper as well, for send effects I can also only loop the dry signal (or only the effect signal)... B: Repeater, DL4 and KP2 come in on main channels of the mixer, thus can be sent anywhere. Some of the other effects sometimes used as loopers (Eclipse, D2) are on aux returns, so I cannot effect or "reloop" them with full flexibility. C: It's instrument->Zoom G2.1u->Boss DD20->EH SMM w/Hazari->KP3->Mains. The Zoom is a multi-effect, the KP3 has some looping capabilities, as well as effects (which are placed post-looper), so you have effects both before and after any looper. As I said, both the EH and the Korg are on the "to be dropped" list to minimize complexity, so this may turn into a effects before looper situation. 2. A: Mobius is the only thing I use for looping here (well...mostly). With that, it rather becomes a trick question, because I use its multiple and independent tracks a lot, so it's more like using a mixer to route them. B: each one in independent send/return or subgroup. C: They're in the same signal path, although I have been experimenting with using the DD20 (in one of its output modes) and a DL4 in a tricky combination where you go instrument->DL4->DD20->Mains, but one out (the effects out) of the DD20 and one in of the DL4 are connected with a volume pedal in line to give me a meta feedback loop. And, in reference to Per's post which just came in: I dare to say my way of doing (1) is better, simply because it allows you to do anything you'd like to do. It's like FWD vs RWD vs 4WD...with 4WD, you're always set. But, like in the automotive example, "before and after" means more weight... Rainer Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3BA3BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:00:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchUkE8mayR+6OD4TvWkpQWGvKEA4wABIF9Q Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd95b292f00008ca8.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over time to a loop that is playing ? -Q -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Got a couple of questions. > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal route? > > Thanks, > Daniel 1. I like to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effects as part of the sound I'm working with. 2. I simply split the signal to all loopers. The loopers I put into Record mode records, the others don't. I on signal split bypasses the loopers and goes directly to the output, since all loopers are set to "wet" mode. I'm not saying this way is better, I just find it easy to handle for the music I like to make. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02C733BED2; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BF2eZTZ/U5JVzYUNM+90UKWGITBIHGELiahFJtC5tHo=; b=gwWrjoPrs1hek5qrE2fBV7LFNbiZqYJI0CkncJvnGnXAgnti1tc5a83kSxfLUhAiHebBBafHsXv5tOLPbHvdliPyE2sFgOprnATtpfYJV+eG+JdRi9jNOVWPDznUMVzbqbBDQMjfzCNBsrA3QbD4W6NOui1Xp4/A3eunaxxtMDc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ubo9jQrBeBQqqJloK0/11m52SSn4zisVIQq7mAWUVMkug/Ra/aYACF1LMZtGzhUN4zt+XkxmdqmNAFbc3Dd//+7YeuLZVPcghgtUEAEb0y9eOCa0n1LRAgGxbliC+VR53Xbn7mDynLYEo0Lh9RLFPKcbI44sbgDFZE8B4U82lXs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:16:43 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:16:46 +0000 (UTC) I used to have a Vortex dedicated to the looper, and for a while a Digitech Space Station. On Jan 11, 2008 1:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over > time to a loop that is playing ? > -Q > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:31:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5858D3BED8; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fJ0hQtL87/kztRb9GUu2cf/4iiAMtoEmWOz7F0Q1N4xh5wvs/qFoDoMXcbp8MHsb; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <2162558.1200087064710.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486ce9eade200c9b89d0c22b415adde90c08a8bb3e8e732a70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:31:06 +0000 (UTC) hey i used to do that too-space station after the loop- spacestation has this patch: Program 11-WARP-Time Warp Delay-and the treadle would be toe up-forward, toe down-stop. so as you pushed down the loop would slow down like a tape recorder does. cool s >I used to have a Vortex dedicated to the looper, and for a while a >Digitech Space Station. > >On Jan 11, 2008 1:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: >> Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over >> time to a loop that is playing ? >> -Q >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 21:54:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 676D43BECA; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:54:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b101c8549c$78167c30$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <027601c851fc$03d50640$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: LEXICON PSP 84: opinions ? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:53:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C85461.CB17E1C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <3tgOh.A.2jF.4V-hHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:54:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C85461.CB17E1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't use it anymore (it is just sitting on my shelf and in my = system), but when I used a VST effect looping system not that long ago, = PSP84 was one of my favorite VST plugins. In fact, Fabio, I was using = it on one of your favorite songs from my "Fragment" CD = (http://www.krispenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm), the song called = "Nebula". =20 http://www.box.net/shared/758kxbj6qb (Nebula) You can hear PSP84 in the beginning of the above tune with the ethereal, = bird-like sounds that fade in, and also the bubbling, fragmented like = sounds that accompany the guitar. The pad/string like tones are from my = Boss VF1. Then as the song evolves, the delay effect that rises up in = octaves is from the PSP42, also a great VST. The PSP84 also has some = really nice pad-like ethereal sounds as well. I recommend buying both as a package deal. You save some money. You can hear more samples of PSP84 and PSP42 in the URLs below, my prior = VST system sampler. The first 29 seconds is PSP84. ********************* http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or stream - 25 minutes = long!) Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: = http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3 You can follow the sounds in the clip in this order, or jump to the = minute:second marker: 00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html 01:01 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html 01:29 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html 01:54 - MHC Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ 02:20 - Pluggo Feedback Network = http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo) 03:03 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod 03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 03:26 - Toybear Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html 03:39 - NuSofting Morphing Delay = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm 03:55 - Nusofting Trimmetry = http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm 04:09 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:18 - Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo 04:27 - BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html 04:46 - 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Reaktor 5 Congratulations 17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada Delay 17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux 18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4 18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line 18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator 18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge 18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay 19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb 19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll 19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew 19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree 19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad 20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink 20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1 20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains 20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud 20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay 21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain 21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix 21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay 21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny 21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre 22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion 22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko 22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again) 22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer 23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay 23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay 23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung 23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains 24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several presets/snaps) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 There is someone in this list using the Lexicon PSP 84 in a looping = context ? Can someone report his opinions about it ?=20 http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html Thanks fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eterogeneo ------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C85461.CB17E1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't use it anymore (it is just = sitting on my=20 shelf and in my system), but when I used a VST effect looping system not = that=20 long ago, PSP84 was one of my favorite VST plugins.  In fact, = Fabio, I was=20 using it on one of your favorite songs from my "Fragment" CD (http://www.kri= spenhartung.com/fragments/index.htm),=20 the song called "Nebula". 
 
http://www.box.net/shared/7= 58kxbj6qb=20 (Nebula)
 
You can hear PSP84 in the beginning = of the=20 above tune with the ethereal, bird-like sounds that fade in, = and also=20 the bubbling, fragmented like sounds that accompany the guitar.  = The=20 pad/string like tones are from my Boss VF1. Then as the song = evolves, the=20 delay effect that rises up in octaves is from the PSP42, also a = great=20 VST.  The PSP84 also has some really nice pad-like ethereal sounds = as=20 well.
 
I recommend buying both as a package = deal. =20 You save some money.
 
You can hear more samples of PSP84 and = PSP42 in the=20 URLs below, my prior VST system sampler. The first 29 seconds is=20 PSP84.
 
*********************
 
http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (to download or = stream -=20 25 minutes long!)
 
Direct link to 23.6 MB MP3 file: http://www.box.net/public/static/fobok5z5dy.mp3
 
You can follow the sounds in the clip = in this=20 order, or jump to the minute:second marker:
 
00:29 - Lexicon PSP84 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/509.html
01:01=20 - Lexicon PSP42 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/508.html
01:29=20 - Antares Filter http://www.kvraudio.com/get/818.html
01= :54 - MHC=20 Space Effect http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/
= 02:20 -=20 Pluggo Feedback Network http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo)
03:03=20 - arcDev Cyclotron http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod
03:15 - Pluggo Fragulator http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
03:26 - = Toybear=20 Madshifta http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1324.html
03:39 -=20 NuSofting Morphing Delay http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Morphing.htm
03:55 - = Nusofting=20 Trimmetry http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/Trimmetry.htm
04:09=20 - Pluggo Rye http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
04:18 -=20 Pluggo Warble http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
04:27 -=20 BrushFX http://www.kvraudio.com/get/454.html
04:46 - = Crazy=20 Ivan http://www.macmusic.org/software/releases.php/lang/en/id/1143/p= lug/VST
05:09=20 - Pluggo Weat http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
05:17 -=20 dfx Geometer http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/
05:33 - dfx=20 Scrubby http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/
05:47 = -=20 Grumblebum http://www.kvraudio.com/get/894.html
06:10 - Glitch=20 Jockey http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2094.html
06:19 -=20 Pudding (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1335.html
0= 6:33 -=20 Reversinator  http://www.kvraudio.com/get/988.html
06:45=20 - Pan-Oh!-Rama http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1661.html
06:54 -=20 Drive32 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1493.html
07:13 = -=20 fxpansion Ringmod
07:23 - WTF http://www.kvraudio.com/get/816.html
07:30 - Pluggo = Space Echo http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
07:39 - Pluggo = Speed=20 Shifter http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
07:55 -=20 E-Phonic LOFI http://www.kvraudio.com/get/737.html
08:05 - FX=20 Jockey
08:11 - Glitchgirl
08:18 - Analogic Delay http://www.kvraudio.com/get/891.html
08:28 = -=20 KTGranulator http://www.kvraudio.com/get/625.html
08= :46 -=20 Antares Kantos http://www.kvraudio.com/get/248.html
09:03 -=20 Scuzzphut6 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1156.html
09:14 -=20 Univibe by Simulanalog
09:41 - arcDev Hosebeast http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod
09:48 - arcDev ET-200 http://www.device.arcanedevice.com/?sig_mod
10:00 - Charsiensis http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2264.html
1= 0:13 -=20 Crazyator
10:23 - Pshift http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1118.html
10:30 - Pluggo = Squirel=20 Parade http://www.cycling74.com/products/pluggo
10:42=20 - Hipno Amogwai http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
10:55 - Hipno Deluge http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:02 - Hipno GrainStream http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:10 - Hipno Morphulescense http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:20 - Hipno Multilution http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:29  - Hipno SfylterBank http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:36 - Hipno Shypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:46 - Hipno SPuntorrt http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
11:57 - Hipno Squeege http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
12:15 - Hipno SquiglyQ http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
12:35 - Hipno Technishypht http://www.cycling74.com/products/hipno
12:41 - Toybear CandyBox http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html
13:11 - Toybear DelayDevil http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html
13:22 - Toybear RedRack Multi http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html
13:31 - Toybear Robobear http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html
13:38 - Toybear ShivaShifter http://www.tobybear.de/p_monsterbag.html
13:45 - OctBUZ http://www.kvraudio.com/get/641.html
13:56 - = DeeLay
14:09 -=20 GRevDly http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1298.html
14:18 = - GGrain=20 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2189.html
14:25 - = OverDubber (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1816.html
14:37 - = ParadigmShifter3 http://www.kvraudio.com/get/640.html
14:48 - Sun Ra http://www.kvraudio.com/get/490.html
15:00 - Reaktor 2=20 Metaphysical
15:16 - Reaktor 5 = Blackbird
16:00 - Reaktor 5 CrossFX
16:35 - Reaktor 5 Abominatrix005
16:42 - Reaktor 5 Alexander 2
16:53 - Reaktor 5 Amor
17:05 - Reaktor 5 Brain Clown
17:23 - Reaktor 5 Congratulations
17:36 - Reaktor 5 Dada = Delay
17:56 - Reaktor 5 Deliter Delux
18:08 - Reaktor 5 Dub Fix 4
18:19 - Reaktor 5 Easy Reverse Grooving Line
18:30 - Reaktor 5 Filtrator
18:49 - Reaktor 5 Funny Edge
18:57 - Reaktor 5 Ginsu Delay
19:07 - Reaktor 5 GradelReverb
19:22 - Reaktor 5 InsertDemonll
19:30 - Reaktor 5 LaserBrew
19:46 - Reaktor 5 LilThree
19:53 - Reaktor 5 Madpad
20:02 - Reaktor 5 Mr. Pink
20:10 - Reaktor 5 MultiBandDelay1
20:22 - Reaktor 5 Orange Grains
20:30 - Reaktor 5 Pitch Cloud
20:38 - Reaktor 5 Prime Delay
21:03 - Reaktor 5 Random Grain
21:16 - Reaktor 5 Resonatrix
21:28 - Reaktor 5 Space Delay
21:33 - Reaktor 5 Space Granny
21:46 - Reaktor 5 Spektre
22:00 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion
22:16 - Reaktor 5 Pachinko
22:35 - Reaktor 5 Split Distortion (again)
22:50 - Reaktor 5 Stotterer
23:02 - Reaktor 5 Stutter Delay
23:14 - Reaktor 5 Traum Delay
23:22 - Reaktor 5 Vocastoerung
23:35 - Reaktor 5 White Grains
24:04 - Reaktor 5 Blackbird (several=20 presets/snaps)
 
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----

 
There is someone in = this list=20 using the Lexicon PSP 84 in a looping context ?
Can someone = report his=20 opinions about it ?
http://www.pspaud= ioware.com/plugins/psp84.html
 
Thanks
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
www.myspace.com/eterogeneo=
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01AE_01C85461.CB17E1C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 22:18:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0253BED0; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a293386b-d4dc-484b-a36c-50c8c55d725f_" X-Originating-IP: [170.104.174.24] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:18:18 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 22:18:18.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE141350:01C8549F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:18:26 +0000 (UTC) --_a293386b-d4dc-484b-a36c-50c8c55d725f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to yesterday, I ran my guitar to an ME 50, then to an AB switch to eithe= r or both MusicMan 2/10 & 1/12, to RC 20 and then to a DD. The ME 50 has a = good delay which I've experiemented with delaying front--looping and then d= elaying at the end. You can get some incredible noise that way. Just got the RC 50. so we'll see what planet I land on next. =20 J.D.Devros deafrose58> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600> From: dgd0460@gmail.com>= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Live Looping signal chai= n> > Got a couple of questions.> > 1. When you guys do live looping on stag= e, where in the signal chain do > you place your looper? I have a JamMan an= d am wanting to incorporate it.> > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, = do you use a AB switch and put > the loopers on different paths or do you k= eep them on the same signal route?> > Thanks,> Daniel>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_watchcause= --_a293386b-d4dc-484b-a36c-50c8c55d725f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Up to yesterday, I ran my guitar to an ME 50, then to an AB switch to eithe= r or both MusicMan 2/10 & 1/12, to RC 20 and then to a DD. The ME 50 ha= s a good delay which I've experiemented with delaying front--looping and th= en delaying at the end. You can get some incredible noise that way.
Just got the RC 50. so we'll see what planet I land on next.
 
J.D.Devros
deafrose58

> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600
> From: = dgd0460@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> S= ubject: Live Looping signal chain
>
> Got a couple of question= s.
>
> 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the= signal chain do
> you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wan= ting to incorporate it.
>
> 2. For those of you that use 2 loo= pers, do you use a AB switch and put
> the loopers on different path= s or do you keep them on the same signal route?
>
> Thanks,> Daniel
>


Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show a= bout real people making a real difference. Learn more = --_a293386b-d4dc-484b-a36c-50c8c55d725f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 11 23:45:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465F03BEC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.53.215.205] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:45:18 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2008 23:45:18.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[058A7FD0:01C854AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Mine is easy..... Bass to Zvex LoFi Junky Looper (my new toy!) to Demeter Tube preamp with a = modded (new Bob Sellon chip) Lexicon JamMan (or at times Gibson EDP) in the= fx loop. Was using a little reverb at the end (Demeter RV1 spring 'verb or= TC M-One) but have dropped that for now. ....just bass and loops. Max ________________________________ From: deafrose58@hotmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:18:18 -0800 Up to yesterday, I ran my guitar to an ME 50, then to an AB switch to eithe= r or both MusicMan 2/10 & 1/12, to RC 20 and then to a DD. The ME 50 has a = good delay which I've experiemented with delaying front--looping and then d= elaying at the end. You can get some incredible noise that way. Just got the RC 50. so we'll see what planet I land on next. J.D.Devros deafrose58 > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600 > From: dgd0460@gmail.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Live Looping signal chain > > Got a couple of questions. > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal rou= te? > > Thanks, > Daniel > ________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference= . Learn more _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 00:19:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6DC3BECF; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId9R0cWMYg= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:19:34 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchUrAcVF1eHAj0fSnuBDhfDd/D67wABH2Ow Resent-Message-ID: <9f2LdD.A.OnE.1dAiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:19:01 +0000 (UTC) > Mine is easy..... This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? Possible metrics for that: * least number of devices * least size/weight * most simple with regard to processing possibilities Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in it! I make the first submission: Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 00:42:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C75B3BECC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.53.220.232] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:42:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2008 00:42:17.0348 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB629440:01C854B3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an ar= t gallery next week. Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... ...load in/out will be a pleasure! Max >> This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in = it! > > I make the first submission: > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > Rainer > _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008= From security@bankofamerica.com Sat Jan 12 01:59:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 27020 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:59:44 UTC Received: from h8060.serverkompetenz.net (metasale.net [81.169.186.167]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CDC3BEA6; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (unknown [84.247.47.81]) by h8060.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E62BB25F; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:58:36 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: From: "security@bankofamerica.com" Subject: Online Banking Alert Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:58:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20080111155836.127E62BB25F@h8060.serverkompetenz.net> To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 02:18:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3033BEC1; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WYHbt860reUOQyqMUYwTCHJOoFiIyN943ShCGNkVfgc=; b=x7m3H5IombTRfsg4183kyvXO2GtAvuj65HcutGPys9uJjKHOlodLM+JCfeyouvZN58jrmbBrIKTzJsCKppwHACp6e40g6e3cTYCQtogBhI2IoKCiV579QORsculxyIHPAkWj/5PUDSTq2rjVnSB5p2S7dOVF/0/sv1Xx7xUBSHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lhU0+qFmG9iVGAl1sFdUNbeSc6cZzuq+BoFVc0U5QWROBDIFORI9fubH1/mK7A6NylcxV9cvNstzDz0jr1kI0tj+bOKwYyxdiqiJZRXRtSVXWQAQfCS9XIERvGPZRZtnddcIe0e15f/YMmCP44LIlYAP5pSSdEuyd/FGVBJY8q0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:18:20 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5675_8040015.1200104300136" References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:18:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5675_8040015.1200104300136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline warr-gt3-edp-amp but this for playing with our band, now switching to mobius for solo gigs..= . 2008/1/12, max valentino : > > > > > Mine is easy..... > Bass to Zvex LoFi Junky Looper (my new toy!) to Demeter Tube preamp with = a > modded (new Bob Sellon chip) Lexicon JamMan (or at times Gibson EDP) in t= he > fx loop. Was using a little reverb at the end (Demeter RV1 spring 'verb o= r > TC M-One) but have dropped that for now. > > ....just bass and loops. > > Max > > > ________________________________ > > From: deafrose58@hotmail.com > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:18:18 -0800 > > > > > Up to yesterday, I ran my guitar to an ME 50, then to an AB switch to > either or both MusicMan 2/10 & 1/12, to RC 20 and then to a DD. The ME 50 > has a good delay which I've experiemented with delaying front--looping an= d > then delaying at the end. You can get some incredible noise that way. > Just got the RC 50. so we'll see what planet I land on next. > > J.D.Devros > deafrose58 > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600 > > From: dgd0460@gmail.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Live Looping signal chain > > > > Got a couple of questions. > > > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it= . > > > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal > route? > > > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Watch "Cause Effect," a show about real people making a real difference. > Learn more > > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live= =99. > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM= _CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5675_8040015.1200104300136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline warr-gt3-edp-amp

but this for playing with our band, now switching t= o mobius for solo gigs...

2008/1/1= 2, max valentino <ekstasis1@hot= mail.com >:
<= br>

Mine is easy.....
Bass to Zvex LoFi Junky Looper (my new toy!= ) to Demeter Tube preamp with a modded (new Bob Sellon chip) Lexicon JamMan= (or at times Gibson EDP) in the fx loop. Was using a little reverb at the = end (Demeter RV1 spring 'verb or TC M-One) but have dropped that for no= w.

....just bass and loops.

Max


____________________= ____________

From: deafros= e58@hotmail.com
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Live Looping signal= chain
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:18:18 -0800




Up to ye= sterday, I ran my guitar to an ME 50, then to an AB switch to either or bot= h MusicMan 2/10 & 1/12, to RC 20 and then to a DD. The ME 50 has a good= delay which I've experiemented with delaying front--looping and then d= elaying at the end. You can get some incredible noise that way.
Just got the RC 50. so we'll see what planet I land on next.
J.D.Devros
deafrose58

> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:42:41 -0600=
> From: dgd0460@gmail.com
> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Live Looping signal chain=
>
> Got a couple of questions.
>
> 1. When you guy= s do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do
> you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorpora= te it.
>
> 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a= AB switch and put
> the loopers on different paths or do you keep th= em on the same signal route?
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>



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i win!!

;-)

raul.

2008/1/12, max valentino <ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:

Well... my previous post was pretty simple.  But, how abou th= is:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am a= ctually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art gall= ery next week.
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.......load in/out will be a pleasure!

Max



>> Thi= s makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup?
> Po= ssible metrics for that:
> * least number of devices
> * least size/weight
> * mo= st simple with regard to processing possibilities
>
> Instrumen= ts do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in it!
>
> I make the first submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20
= >
> Rainer
>

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_5677_24342037.1200104368984-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 02:38:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E297F3BECF; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 416 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:37:58 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KIypCJ57D2taGhjb3U7SLNQIh5/an1/gkMQtth2i40c=; b=EfnWj5cfWP4DFli9f21WTGsFZ/lnrVa++db9KXKXBVWB/TyWAIUME90okzq907Cg/IMf7GSjsZPeFkLy/J3CLVKTH0w2gtJWarcNdcUqCvNXzWs/1a2Xom3mhJXghEINkFbkIbXmvSl5GdOjRY8D8r0KrjuWfNL+efeE5a8M5RA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=koMXlSJwqXBVzs/gc7JBxJf4GdkS4sSXGipzNsbFpajST0e8KPVDUNFXLL0WTuE8os4rCOKYJY4X1akrOlaSOAdv2n/Q0/Em2rzu4z2SfimGRcmrQUti/q1CF6MmXu+URDBiug0t41x/qWMqe432RdMP0J6MzpORaraOrCk/wkw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:31:00 -0600 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4876_20096384.1200105060816" References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:37:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4876_20096384.1200105060816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do that. I use both pre-looper effects, and post-looper effects (fewer). My setup is a laptop running Bidule, Mobius, and various VSTs. On Jan 11, 2008 3:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over > time to a loop that is playing ? > -Q > ------=_Part_4876_20096384.1200105060816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I do that.  I use both pre-looper effects, and post-looper effects (fewer).

My setup is a laptop running Bidule, Mobius, and various VSTs.

On Jan 11, 2008 3:00 PM, Qua Veda < qua@oregon.com> wrote:
Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over
time to a loop that is playing ?
-Q

------=_Part_4876_20096384.1200105060816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 02:44:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9B73BECC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-608044802 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:47:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:44:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-608044802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed RC50 - amp I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). -Paul On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > edp-amp > > i win!! > > ;-) > > raul. > > 2008/1/12, max valentino : > > Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: > Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. > > I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do =20 > at an art gallery next week. > Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... > ...load in/out will be a pleasure! > > Max > > > > >> This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > > Possible metrics for that: > > * least number of devices > > * least size/weight > > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a =20 > looper in it! > > > > I make the first submission: > > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > > > Rainer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows =20 > Live=99. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?=20 > ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 > > > > --=20 > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-608044802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 RC50 - amp

I win - RC50 is simpler = than the EDP ;-).

-Paul
On Jan = 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

edp-amp

i = win!!

;-)

raul.

2008/1/12, max valentino <ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:
=
Well... my previous post was pretty simple.=A0=A0But, how abou = this:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am = actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art = gallery next week.
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of = gear and one bass....
...load in/out will be a = pleasure!

Max



>> This makes me wonder...who = does have the most simple looping setup?
> Possible metrics for = that:
> * least number of devices
> * least = size/weight
> * most simple with regard to processing = possibilities
>
> Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, = and it has to have a looper in it!
>
> I make the first = submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20
>
> = Rainer
>

____________________________________________________= _____________
Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE = + Windows Live=99.
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= --Apple-Mail-1-608044802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 02:55:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE713BED5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9AzEdmrgi0B+WJm6fGmdXot1Ox4vprVw004i6whpLxU=; b=s7ml3E5igih6GzY/ttKjjP6prXEjWEO9ud0YBLR+VGtUrTB3W4OIBAN6aovDXNbuOeNzxXnhjUewZSKXJHqvtqL6od7A/I7wt/8YoMQ1gY90+5jn4RMWda/3DBb58YDsbVGoKoJKKHcE2x9aNzzEsOkpOiQjUTzVTz8jams4qps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jhbsT/9DzCWkVkPVpw7BILfp9s5LNTr5GG+wVsfCG2w4ww3jczyyUQS7uQUIdzV1Un7TtnjLtkH2++rdISOFDpXLWZ1860aYUtCdT0G+Rt/2J5gM/iUXiPsFyHMsifeNZHwhOCnndIrM3JkRcgQSiQliQqGiSVzq29BCHZkhVNg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:55:12 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5754_17901062.1200106512631" References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <6jobTC.A.4fD.RwCiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:55:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5754_17901062.1200106512631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline argggg... 2008/1/12, Paul Mimlitsch : > > RC50 - amp > I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). > > -Paul > On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > edp-amp > > i win!! > > ;-) > > raul. > > 2008/1/12, max valentino : > > > > > > Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: > > Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. > > > > I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at a= n > > art gallery next week. > > Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... > > ...load in/out will be a pleasure! > > > > Max > > > > > > > > >> This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > > > Possible metrics for that: > > > * least number of devices > > > * least size/weight > > > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > > > > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper > > in it! > > > > > > I make the first submission: > > > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live= =99. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5754_17901062.1200106512631 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline argggg...

2008/1/12, Paul Mimlitsch= <pmimlitsch@mac.com>:
RC50 - amp

I win - RC50 is simpler than = the EDP ;-).

-Paul

On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell w= rote:

edp-amp

i win!!

;-)
raul.

2008/1/12, max valentino &l= t; ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:

Well... my previous post was pretty simple. &= nbsp;But, how abou this:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am actu= ally planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art gallery= next week.
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and on= e bass....
...load in/out will be a pleasure!

Max



>> T= his makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup?
> = Possible metrics for that:
> * least number of devices
> * lea= st size/weight
> * most simple with regard to processing possibilities
>
&= gt; Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper i= n it!
>
> I make the first submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Bos= s DD20
>
> Rainer
>

____________________________________= _____________________________
Put your friends on the big screen with Wi= ndows Vista® + Windows Live=99.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008



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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at = myspace:=20 http://www.myspace.c= om/theplayingorchestra

<= /blockquote>



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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5754_17901062.1200106512631-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 03:01:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDD9D3BEC7; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-609088494 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:05:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:01:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-609088494 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going to try at an =20 upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic. I'll be =20 playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 =20 powered computer speakers off the RC50. The idea, which is working =20 out pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and =20= towards the back of my chair (I play seated) and have the volume =20 equal to or slightly less than the guitar - that way it'll be real =20 acoustic over amplified looped acoustic. Should work out fine unless =20= crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's a small room and =20 shouldn't attract a static gathering - more "browsers". On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > RC50 - amp > > I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). > > -Paul > On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > >> edp-amp >> >> i win!! >> >> ;-) >> >> raul. >> >> 2008/1/12, max valentino : >> >> Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: >> Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. >> >> I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do =20= >> at an art gallery next week. >> Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... >> ...load in/out will be a pleasure! >> >> Max >> >> >> >> >> This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping =20 >> setup? >> > Possible metrics for that: >> > * least number of devices >> > * least size/weight >> > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities >> > >> > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a =20 >> looper in it! >> > >> > I make the first submission: >> > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 >> > >> > Rainer >> > >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows =20= >> Live=99. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?=20 >> ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 >> >> >> >> --=20 >> The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >> Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com >> TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > --Apple-Mail-2-609088494 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Actually, for me, the simplest = set up is one I'm going to try at an upcoming art gallery gig that's = supposed to be acoustic.=A0 I'll be playing an acoustic 12 string = baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 powered computer speakers off the = RC50.=A0 The idea, which is working out pretty well in practice anyway, = is to have the speakers under and towards the back of my chair (I play = seated) and have the volume equal to or slightly less than the guitar - = that way it'll be real acoustic over amplified looped acoustic.=A0 = Should work out fine unless crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's = a small room and shouldn't attract a static gathering - more = "browsers".

On = Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:

RC50 - = amp

I win - RC50 is = simpler than the EDP ;-).

-Paul
On Jan = 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

edp-amp

i = win!!

;-)

raul.

2008/1/12, max valentino <ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:
=
Well... my previous post was pretty simple.=A0=A0But, how abou = this:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am = actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art = gallery next week.
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of = gear and one bass....
...load in/out will be a = pleasure!

Max



>> This makes me wonder...who = does have the most simple looping setup?
> Possible metrics for = that:
> * least number of devices
> * least = size/weight
> * most simple with regard to processing = possibilities
>
> Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, = and it has to have a looper in it!
>
> I make the first = submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20
>
> = Rainer
>

____________________________________________________= _____________
Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE = + Windows Live=99.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sh= op/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 =



--
The Playing = Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2= /tpo
Chain Tape Collective: = http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com= /theplayingorchestra

= --Apple-Mail-2-609088494-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 03:02:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2863BED5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7bGdAp_8f6IA:10 a=M7kuCqJ7Hlm8Djd5f9wA:9 a=3_ntp4AlgZa4UsJlYWQA:7 a=BZXq1VJcjTMrmzTlDZyOemPb7GcA:4 a=7OmpBygbiDMA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 76.6.56.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: <3F.0F.06458.3DD28874@smtp08.embarq.synacor.com> To: Subject: RE: Recent Listening...(not easily pigeonholed) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:06:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AchTI0hla+vWS8O5QiaZ63eHl0EjmQBokafA In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206BCDF9A@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:02:44 +0000 (UTC) OK, I'll chime in...BTW, nice to see some fellow Rundgren fans here! In the CD Player, Myspace, Youtube and iPod the last week or so: Radiohead - In Rainbows Radiohead - Scotch Mist (film on Youtube) Editors - An End Has a Start (no looping that I know of, but it's refreshing to hear indie/alternative/guitar bands w/ vintage instruments!) Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights She Wants Revenge - This is Forever (two guys, dark danceable w/ loops, drum machines, keyboard and stinging guitars in the vein of Depeche Mode, Joy Division, etc.) Looper's Delight Comp. 3 Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet Ed in NJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 03:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9FE3BEC1; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:26:41 -0800 Message-ID: <004901c854ca$f2fad170$d8f07450$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C85487.E4D79170" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchUx7fdNgiDY1UTQjOQ8h32BtxD8QAAy7qA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D33eb2991000043eb.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:26:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C85487.E4D79170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a great setup ! -Qua From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going to try at an upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic. I'll be playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 powered computer speakers off the RC50. The idea, which is working out pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and towards the back of my chair (I play seated) and have the volume equal to or slightly less than the guitar - that way it'll be real acoustic over amplified looped acoustic. Should work out fine unless crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's a small room and shouldn't attract a static gathering - more "browsers". On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: RC50 - amp I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). -Paul On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: edp-amp i win!! ;-) raul. 2008/1/12, max valentino : Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art gallery next week. Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... ...load in/out will be a pleasure! Max >> This makes me wonder..who does have the most simple looping setup? > Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in it! > > I make the first submission: > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > Rainer > _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows VistaR + Windows LiveT. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_ MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C85487.E4D79170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds like a great setup !

-Qua

 

From:= Paul = Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping = setup

 

Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm = going to try at an upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic.  = I'll be playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 = powered computer speakers off the RC50.  The idea, which is working out = pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and towards the = back of my chair (I play seated) and have the volume equal to or slightly less = than the guitar - that way it'll be real acoustic over amplified looped = acoustic.  Should work out fine unless crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's = a small room and shouldn't attract a static gathering - more = "browsers".

 

On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch = wrote:



RC50 - amp

 

I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP = ;-).

 

-Paul

On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell = wrote:



edp-amp

i win!!

;-)

raul.

2008/1/12, max valentino = <ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:


Well... my previous post was pretty simple.  But, how abou = this:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an = art gallery next week.
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one = bass....
...load in/out will be a pleasure!

Max



>> This makes me wonder..who does have the most simple looping = setup?
> Possible metrics for that:
> * least number of devices
> * least size/weight
> * most simple with regard to processing possibilities
>
> Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a = looper in it!
>
> I make the first submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20
>
> Rainer
>

_________________________________________________________________
Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows = Live™.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/= shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C85487.E4D79170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 03:44:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0B753BEB2; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 383 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:44:46 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pr2a7cbUfPRsPy6qbDSziELsZeWXP1KcPxIArsLAnzk=; b=Swc5wCqrNCTUurxVjw5ElNIlN3S/oN8TOPGoH/QUaBXt35rbuagPnoRp3qAGGdaEGerW0CStuSy2zHn8pWK+ekah30aFJRRo8AhiOlM1T8TA+Tqg5n87vSw8Vz52sa7HMhXbUkVivLvMSzEmJpypa+qXMCZzmES2UbW3wZFbSCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mu1SdRivRK+3/KQ/ZlqJU7ywTQ28963yhnN7v7bhETrsnsq53TblZddVOUGgdPf5mnZlziftTYITUiZLNfnVHW2xzcTI3RJBP2M99Cwap354IsepVq9nZuUjIrzmi0VAy+PcjxyMzHole7k18RsqyrW9lLYOMa4PB9enO64UXDI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:38:21 -0500 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper In-Reply-To: <212574.5819.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3031_8128165.1200109101928" References: <5564337.1200037501020.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <212574.5819.qm@web54405.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1AH8rD.A.FYG.ueDiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:44:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3031_8128165.1200109101928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm new to looping (and the list) and I have a severe crush on the ZVex box. Your review may turn it from a crush to an all-out stalking -- I hope Zachary doesn't get a restraining order... If only it did sound-on-sound, I'd be happy to sell my Boomerang and my Filter Eko II. Even so -- battery power and true bypass (are there ANY other TB loopers?) make this super tempting. Other than a looper, I'm a guitar -> lead -> amp kinda guy; I love having the loop mangled, but I want my dry signal pristine! I've actually pondered getting 2 ZVex's, although I suppose a 'cleaner' looper would give me more options -- but I still want to KISS. Suggestions are more than welcome.... Zak On Jan 11, 2008 2:53 AM, jan gyn wrote: > I have one, like it. > But I use my Boss RC-2 more, because of the 16 minute > length. > -jan > > > >Hey fellow Loopists..... > > >Recently I posted some questions pertaining to the > > Zvex LoFi Junky Looper. Between the responses > > (thank you all very much...), and some further > > research, I decided to toss caution to the wind and > > just buy one. It arrived Tuesday and I have been > > puttin' it thru the paces and thought I would > > share.... > > >(I guess maybe I should try to post this to the LD > > site as well..... since ther eis precious little > > info there on this box.) > > > > > >It is pretty damn cool. It is also quite > > small---which is nice. And, it is built very well > > (like a tank). The switches and knobs are top notch > > and the inside assembly is very thorough and clean > > (remarkable attention to detail there) and the > > components are all very high quality. It may be > > "lo-fi" but it is not cheaply made (nor cheaply > > priced). > > > > > >So, first off what it doesn't do: No overdubs, > > layers, replace, reverse or other loop > > manipulations...and no MIDI! It is a one-shot 20 > > sec max. analog looper. > > > > > >It also doesn't do pristine, hi-fi sound quality. > > And, it certainly is NOT for everybody.... > > > > > >But what is does do is quite cool. More than > > anything it adds a certain "je nais se quoi"; a > > vibe, an atmosphere to the loopage . Kinda like > > playing thru an old Supro amp or something; yes, it > > is a bit noisy and less than "perfect" in sound > > quality, but there is something very inviting and > > comfortable about that. Being analog (and lo-fi) it > > can hiss (and careful setting of the levels helps > > keep this in order), but the hiss and noise is > > strikingly different that the hiss and noise found > > in digital devices....and what hiss there is seems > > to be masked by the playing to the loop (in fact it > > sort of melts into the music itself...). > > > > > >For this feature alone, to me, it is worth every > > dime. It injects something quite human, something > > quite blemished, worn and imperfect to my looping. > > AS for the shortcoming of layers (or lack thereof), > > It is quite easy to re-sample the LoFi into a bigger > > more full featured looping device..... > > > > > >It does have true bypass and the instrument preamp > > which drives the unlooped signal is of exceptional > > quality: a very high impedence (>5megOhm)input which > > insures there is no loading or degradation of your > > signal (the looper section does enough of that!!). > > > > > >It has a single passive tone control which is > > useful both for tone variations and controlling > > hiss. It has no freq response above 2.6kHz. This > > seems like a somewhat severe limitation, but > > actually it helps produce a sound wholly different > > than other loopers...and quite different than the > > source sound fed into it (but drastically > > different....different in what to my ears is a good > > way.......) > > > > > >The input/rec level is adjustable (as is the > > output) and the recording section can even be > > overdriven. The result is a very pleasing driven > > sound VERY different from the digital clipping other > > machines produce when hit too hard. In fact, on my > > basses, the distortion produced here is very cool. > > > > > >It also has a cool vibrato circuit which can give > > anything from a warped LP kind of warble to a psuedo > > Leslie spin to some rather jiggly modulations. Of > > course, I am using this with bass and the effect is > > somewhat understated...but for my purposes that is > > perfect as I do not need to get to heavy handed with > > modulations. It is more subtle than other fx, but it > > is also quite present and noticeable. > > > > > >The behavior of this vibrato circuit is somewhat > > unpredictable as well. Which I find very appealing. > > It is something of a loose cannon, unpredictable yet > > still quite musical and useful. It does > > shimmer...but not like other modulation effects. And > > since the controls (rate and depth) are interactive > > you're never quite sure jsut where the effect is > > gonna land........pretty neat. > > > > > >All in all I am very pleased. I have some other > > looping devices (modded Lexicon JamMan, EDP, > > Headrush, DL4), but this is quickly becoming my > > favorite---it seems especially geared towards my > > direction in looping in which the looping is not so > > much a feature in itself, but rather a necessary and > > integral part of the compositions and performances, > > and as such is somewhat stealthy in its > > appearance--never static and not always present--, > > and usually neither dense nor drone-y. > > > > > >I am sure the limitations of this little box make > > it "less than ideal" for a great number of loopists, > > yet for me it does something special...and that is > > quite inspiring. > > > > > >I have a solo show next week...and the LoFi will > > definitely get some game-time. > > > > > >Max > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_3031_8128165.1200109101928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm new to looping (and the list) and I have a severe crush on the ZVex box. Your review may turn it from a crush to an all-out stalking -- I hope Zachary doesn't get a restraining order...

If only it did sound-on-sound, I'd be happy to sell my Boomerang and my Filter Eko II. Even so -- battery power and true bypass (are there ANY other TB loopers?) make this super tempting. Other than a looper, I'm a guitar -> lead -> amp kinda guy; I love having the loop mangled, but I want my dry signal pristine!

I've actually pondered getting 2 ZVex's, although I suppose a 'cleaner' looper would give me more options -- but I still want to KISS.

Suggestions are more than welcome....

Zak

On Jan 11, 2008 2:53 AM, jan gyn <jan_gyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have one, like it.
But I use my Boss RC-2 more, because of the 16 minute
length.
-jan

> >Hey fellow Loopists.....
> >Recently I posted some questions pertaining to the
> Zvex LoFi Junky Looper.  Between the responses
> (thank you all very much...), and some further
> research, I decided to toss caution to the wind and
> just buy one.  It arrived Tuesday and I have been
> puttin' it thru the paces and thought I would
> share....
> >(I guess maybe I should try to post this to the LD
> site as well..... since ther eis precious little
> info there on this box.)
> >
> >It is pretty damn cool.  It is also quite
> small---which is nice.  And, it is built very well
> (like a tank). The switches and knobs are top notch
> and the inside assembly is very thorough and clean
> (remarkable attention to detail there) and the
> components are all very high quality. It may be
> "lo-fi" but it is not cheaply made (nor cheaply
> priced).
> >
> >So, first off what it doesn't do: No overdubs,
> layers, replace, reverse or other loop
> manipulations...and no MIDI!  It is a one-shot 20
> sec max. analog looper.
> >
> >It also doesn't do pristine, hi-fi sound quality.
> And, it certainly is NOT for everybody....
> >
> >But what is does do is quite cool. More than
> anything it adds a certain "je nais se quoi"; a
> vibe, an atmosphere to the loopage . Kinda like
> playing thru an old Supro amp or something; yes, it
> is a bit noisy and less than "perfect" in sound
> quality, but there is something very inviting and
> comfortable about that. Being analog (and lo-fi) it
> can hiss (and careful setting of the levels helps
> keep this in order), but the hiss and noise is
> strikingly different that the hiss and noise found
> in digital devices....and what hiss there is seems
> to be masked by the playing to the loop (in fact it
> sort of melts into the music itself...).
> >
> >For this feature alone, to me, it is worth every
> dime.  It injects something quite human, something
> quite blemished, worn and imperfect to my looping.
> AS for the shortcoming of layers (or lack thereof),
> It is quite easy to re-sample the LoFi into a bigger
> more full featured looping device.....
> >
> >It does have true bypass and the instrument preamp
> which drives the unlooped signal is of exceptional
> quality: a very high impedence (>5megOhm)input which
> insures there is no loading or degradation of your
> signal (the looper section does enough of that!!).
> >
> >It has a single passive tone control which is
> useful both for tone variations and controlling
> hiss.  It has no freq response above 2.6kHz.  This
> seems like a somewhat severe limitation, but
> actually it helps produce a sound wholly different
> than other loopers...and quite different than the
> source sound fed into it (but drastically
> different....different in what to my ears is a good
> way.......)
> >
> >The input/rec level is adjustable (as is the
> output) and the recording section can even be
> overdriven.  The result is a very pleasing driven
> sound VERY different from the digital clipping other
> machines produce when hit too  hard. In fact, on my
> basses, the distortion produced here is very cool.
> >
> >It also has a cool vibrato circuit which can give
> anything from a warped LP kind of warble to a psuedo
> Leslie spin to some rather jiggly modulations.  Of
> course, I am using this with bass and the effect is
> somewhat understated...but for my purposes that is
> perfect as I do not need to get to heavy handed with
> modulations. It is more subtle than other fx, but it
> is also quite present and noticeable.
> >
> >The behavior of this vibrato circuit is somewhat
> unpredictable as well.  Which I find very appealing.
> It is something of a loose cannon, unpredictable yet
> still quite musical and useful. It does
> shimmer...but not like other modulation effects. And
> since the controls (rate and depth) are interactive
> you're never quite sure jsut where the effect is
> gonna land........pretty neat.
> >
> >All in all I am very pleased.  I have some other
> looping devices (modded Lexicon JamMan, EDP,
> Headrush, DL4), but this is quickly becoming my
> favorite---it seems especially geared towards my
> direction in looping in which the looping is not so
> much a feature in itself, but rather a necessary and
> integral part of the compositions and performances,
> and as such is somewhat stealthy in its
> appearance--never static and not always present--,
> and usually neither dense nor drone-y.
> >
> >I am sure the limitations of this little box make
> it "less than ideal" for a great number of loopists,
> yet for me it does something special...and that is
> quite inspiring.
> >
> >I have a solo show next week...and the LoFi will
> definitely get some game-time.
> >
> >Max



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 http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_3031_8128165.1200109101928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 05:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4857A3BEB9; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=79mtNwSWDubcC0rC16ltz39rGMR2kqM3IGJOQM/QRrA=; b=ayOW7U6lOJnfgHpoaZpgGgyosjqfDUED3yRnOJljDCX5tNX7h1ngssq80IAZiAnkTrPI9blFcjOmEd6jVzW/P6y6MGS78X1ywXhZMLF6dL2urgmEkB50b8RSebEyTqaKheH4lvXi6+TdNSfaao//6lStqX91DQ41uAJzVF2VmsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nsQzIRWZWw51g471kgzuNTw+p6BfBkAi+5CwYgqoWrxpIgE05Jhaa93A71g8ZUD00jTqrIwArwQDfb6Xv4qPmQvVcvQGj3/T4RC/YZ5rtnwo8JjFSNjLyJD01eTa4Fb5xXt6rRJogaib0yQr8KdQ9UjFEovkHG4/XfiBijHUQRg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:30:28 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup In-Reply-To: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4371_603786.1200115829005" References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <7cnsZD.A.99D.2BFiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:30:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4371_603786.1200115829005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I started out with just a guitar into an RC-20 and an amp, but it gradually mutated into the current monstrosity. -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_4371_603786.1200115829005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I started out with just a guitar into an RC-20 and an amp, but it gradually mutated into the current monstrosity.
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Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_4371_603786.1200115829005-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 07:58:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B0B3BEAF; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=MgslWi/TVq+zvXjHTpLDAQg3XwriC9JUxJN+RFnSKTIioSM0XHCWbOIwcAD4WdHx; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <6605580.1200124686846.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:58:06 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd486122aec1d4ab69bb0cf0e2e265728a2392764449e275203c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:58:08 +0000 (UTC) simple iz as simple duz: zvex into two Sunn Model T amps-two Ampeg 8X10s s This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? >Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > >Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in it! > >I make the first submission: >Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 09:13:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BEC3BEB2; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:10:39 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4788840F.30707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:13:36 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, January 12 at 6:00 am (EST/GMT-5). 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After a month, we sent a reminder an= d finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Dubai Petroleum Co= rporation that MR DAVID AMEERALY, died in the plane crash On October 31,199= 9, (an Egyptian Boeing767Flight 990) with other passengers on board. On fur= ther investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and atte= mpts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further inve= stigation and discovered that MR DAVID AMEERALY, did not declare any next o= f kin or relations in all his official documents, including his bank deposi= t paperwork in the bank.=20 =20 This sum of USD $20, 000, 000.00 and the interest are being rolled over wit= h the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come forward = to claim it and according to BURKINA FASO LAW, at the expiration of 10 (TEN= ) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the BURKINA FASO Governm= ent if nobody applies to claim the fund. 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The paperwork for this transac= tion will be done by the attorney legally and if you are interested, please= reply immediately and upon your responses, I shall provide you with more d= etails and relevant information that will help you understand the transacti= on.=20 =20 Please observe utmost confidentiality and be rest assured that this transac= tion would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your a= ssistance to invest my share in your country. Please upon the receipt of th= is mail message, send to me the following below to enable me start the proc= essing of the transfer; 1. Your Full Names________________________2. Phone Number and Fax__________= ___3. Complete address______________________ 4. Age____________ 5. Profession___________________ 6. Valid identity with a full picture____________ =20 Regards, Mr.Carlesson Clark _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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FROM THE DESK OF MR,Carlesson Clark,
DIRECTOR AUDITING AND ACCOUNTI= NG UNIT,
BANK OF AFRICA (BOA)
OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO.
 
Dear Friend,
I got your contact through desperate and personal search on the web wh= en I was searching for someone I could really trust, and I wish to exp= ress my interest to handle this matter with you as I believe that you are r= eliable in handling this type of international transaction. Though we have = not met before but I believe one has to risk confiding in someone to succee= d sometimes in life but however is not mandatory or in any manner compel yo= u to honour against your will. Although I am not suppose to contact you thr= ough email but it is because of the confidential nature of this transaction= please bear with me I am Mr. Carlesson clark, director auditing and a= ccounting unit, Bank of Africa - BOA, (BURKINA FASO).
 
I am writing this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to c= arry out this business opportunity in my department. On June 6, 1999,an Oil= consultant/contractor with Dubai Petroleum Corporation/CPL Burkina Faso, M= R DAVID AMEERALY, made a numbered time (fixed) deposit for twelve calendar = months, Valued at 20, 000.000 (Twenty Million United States Dollars Only) i= n Bank of Africa Burkina Faso. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification = to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a remind= er and finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Dubai Petrole= um Corporation that MR DAVID AMEERALY, died in the plane crash On October 3= 1,1999, (an Egyptian Boeing767Flight 990) with other passengers on board. O= n further investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and= attempts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further= investigation and discovered that MR DAVID AMEERALY, did not declare any n= ext of kin or relations in all his official documents, including his bank d= eposit paperwork in the bank.
 
This sum of USD $20, 000, 000.00 and the interest are being rolled ove= r with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come for= ward to claim it and according to BURKINA FASO LAW, at the expiration of 10= (TEN) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the BURKINA FASO Go= vernment if nobody applies to claim the fund.
My proposal is that I will like you to stand as the next of kin to MR = DAVID AMEERALY, so that the fruit of this old man labor will not get into t= he hands of some corrupt Government officials. This is simple, I will like = you to provide immediately your full name and address so that I can forward= to you the contact of our bank Attorney for preparing the necessary docume= nts and affidavits which will put you in place as the next of kin.
 
Any bank account in any part of the world, which you will provide, wil= l then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next= of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in ratio = of 45% for me and 45% for you and 10 % will be set aside for expenses in cu= red during the business. There is no risk at all. The paperwork for this tr= ansaction will be done by the attorney legally and if you are interest= ed, please reply immediately and upon your responses, I shall provide you w= ith more details and relevant information that will help you understan= d the transaction.
 
Please observe utmost confidentiality and be rest assured that this tr= ansaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require y= our assistance to invest my share in your country. Please upon the receipt = of this mail message, send to me the following below to enable me start the= processing of the transfer;
1. Your Full Names________________________
2. Phone Number and Fax_= ____________
3. Complete address______________________
4. Age____________
5. Profession___________________
6. Valid identity with a full picture____________
 
Regards, 
Mr.Carlesson Clark

Express yourself= instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger = --_6adc5bdb-02ed-4832-b4ac-194c555684bc_-- From carlesson_clark12@hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 09:28:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:28:44 UTC Received: from blu139-omc2-s13.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc2-s13.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.183]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C03F3BEAF for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU121-W30 ([65.55.162.184]) by blu139-omc2-s13.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:23:35 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_7fdcfa94-7c30-4d4e-a186-7df44d401ff9_" X-Originating-IP: [196.28.247.121] Reply-To: From: carlesson clark Subject: FROM THE DESK OF MR,Carlesson Clark,Read Through This And Get Back To Me, Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:23:35 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2008 09:23:35.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE898570:01C854FC] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_7fdcfa94-7c30-4d4e-a186-7df44d401ff9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FROM THE DESK OF MR,Carlesson Clark,DIRECTOR AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT, BANK OF AFRICA (BOA) OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO.=20 =20 Dear Friend,=20 I got your contact through desperate and personal search on the web when I = was searching for someone I could really trust, and I wish to express my in= terest to handle this matter with you as I believe that you are reliable in= handling this type of international transaction. Though we have not met be= fore but I believe one has to risk confiding in someone to succeed sometime= s in life but however is not mandatory or in any manner compel you to honou= r against your will. Although I am not suppose to contact you through email= but it is because of the confidential nature of this transaction please be= ar with me I am Mr. Carlesson clark, director auditing and accounting unit,= Bank of Africa - BOA, (BURKINA FASO). =20 I am writing this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry = out this business opportunity in my department. On June 6, 1999,an Oil cons= ultant/contractor with Dubai Petroleum Corporation/CPL Burkina Faso, MR DAV= ID AMEERALY, made a numbered time (fixed) deposit for twelve calendar month= s, Valued at 20, 000.000 (Twenty Million United States Dollars Only) in Ban= k of Africa Burkina Faso. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification to hi= s forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder an= d finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Dubai Petroleum Co= rporation that MR DAVID AMEERALY, died in the plane crash On October 31,199= 9, (an Egyptian Boeing767Flight 990) with other passengers on board. On fur= ther investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and atte= mpts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further inve= stigation and discovered that MR DAVID AMEERALY, did not declare any next o= f kin or relations in all his official documents, including his bank deposi= t paperwork in the bank.=20 =20 This sum of USD $20, 000, 000.00 and the interest are being rolled over wit= h the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come forward = to claim it and according to BURKINA FASO LAW, at the expiration of 10 (TEN= ) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the BURKINA FASO Governm= ent if nobody applies to claim the fund. My proposal is that I will like you to stand as the next of kin to MR DAVID= AMEERALY, so that the fruit of this old man labor will not get into the ha= nds of some corrupt Government officials. This is simple, I will like you t= o provide immediately your full name and address so that I can forward to y= ou the contact of our bank Attorney for preparing the necessary documents a= nd affidavits which will put you in place as the next of kin.=20 =20 Any bank account in any part of the world, which you will provide, will the= n facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of k= in. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in ratio of 45= % for me and 45% for you and 10 % will be set aside for expenses in cured d= uring the business. There is no risk at all. The paperwork for this transac= tion will be done by the attorney legally and if you are interested, please= reply immediately and upon your responses, I shall provide you with more d= etails and relevant information that will help you understand the transacti= on.=20 =20 Please observe utmost confidentiality and be rest assured that this transac= tion would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your a= ssistance to invest my share in your country. Please upon the receipt of th= is mail message, send to me the following below to enable me start the proc= essing of the transfer; 1. Your Full Names________________________2. Phone Number and Fax__________= ___3. Complete address______________________ 4. Age____________ 5. Profession___________________ 6. Valid identity with a full picture____________ =20 Regards, Mr.Carlesson Clark _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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FROM THE DESK OF MR,Carlesson Clark,
DIRECTOR AUDITING AND ACCOUNTI= NG UNIT,
BANK OF AFRICA (BOA)
OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO.
 
Dear Friend,
I got your contact through desperate and personal search on the web wh= en I was searching for someone I could really trust, and I wish to exp= ress my interest to handle this matter with you as I believe that you are r= eliable in handling this type of international transaction. Though we have = not met before but I believe one has to risk confiding in someone to succee= d sometimes in life but however is not mandatory or in any manner compel yo= u to honour against your will. Although I am not suppose to contact you thr= ough email but it is because of the confidential nature of this transaction= please bear with me I am Mr. Carlesson clark, director auditing and a= ccounting unit, Bank of Africa - BOA, (BURKINA FASO).
 
I am writing this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to c= arry out this business opportunity in my department. On June 6, 1999,an Oil= consultant/contractor with Dubai Petroleum Corporation/CPL Burkina Faso, M= R DAVID AMEERALY, made a numbered time (fixed) deposit for twelve calendar = months, Valued at 20, 000.000 (Twenty Million United States Dollars Only) i= n Bank of Africa Burkina Faso. Upon maturity I sent a routine notification = to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a remind= er and finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Dubai Petrole= um Corporation that MR DAVID AMEERALY, died in the plane crash On October 3= 1,1999, (an Egyptian Boeing767Flight 990) with other passengers on board. O= n further investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and= attempts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further= investigation and discovered that MR DAVID AMEERALY, did not declare any n= ext of kin or relations in all his official documents, including his bank d= eposit paperwork in the bank.
 
This sum of USD $20, 000, 000.00 and the interest are being rolled ove= r with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come for= ward to claim it and according to BURKINA FASO LAW, at the expiration of 10= (TEN) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the BURKINA FASO Go= vernment if nobody applies to claim the fund.
My proposal is that I will like you to stand as the next of kin to MR = DAVID AMEERALY, so that the fruit of this old man labor will not get into t= he hands of some corrupt Government officials. This is simple, I will like = you to provide immediately your full name and address so that I can forward= to you the contact of our bank Attorney for preparing the necessary docume= nts and affidavits which will put you in place as the next of kin.
 
Any bank account in any part of the world, which you will provide, wil= l then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next= of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in ratio = of 45% for me and 45% for you and 10 % will be set aside for expenses in cu= red during the business. There is no risk at all. The paperwork for this tr= ansaction will be done by the attorney legally and if you are interest= ed, please reply immediately and upon your responses, I shall provide you w= ith more details and relevant information that will help you understan= d the transaction.
 
Please observe utmost confidentiality and be rest assured that this tr= ansaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require y= our assistance to invest my share in your country. Please upon the receipt = of this mail message, send to me the following below to enable me start the= processing of the transfer;
1. Your Full Names________________________
2. Phone Number and Fax_= ____________
3. Complete address______________________
4. Age____________
5. Profession___________________
6. Valid identity with a full picture____________
 
Regards, 
Mr.Carlesson Clark

Express yourself= instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger = --_7fdcfa94-7c30-4d4e-a186-7df44d401ff9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 09:56:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46B963BEC5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId8ETZKAg== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:57:00 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001b01c85501$79f58180$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchUzXp7NVoX0RrdSh2kGKx2QZN8+QAM9m3w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <3Kmho.A.O-F.I7IiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:56:25 +0000 (UTC) > true bypass (are there ANY other TB loopers?) make this super tempting. Other than a looper, I'm a guitar -> lead -> amp Line6 DL4 can be set up to do true bypass, However, you need to turn a knob (no way to do that with footswitches if you're in looper mode). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 10:24:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34C23BECC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <20080112030127.AA8F13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20080112030127.AA8F13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33-635441551 Message-Id: <01AB20BE-4924-4E03-8D65-73B776AFE390@free.fr> From: David Steinberg Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:24:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:24:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33-635441551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > De : "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > Date : 12 janvier 2008 01:19:34 HNEC > Objet : Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup > > This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a > looper in it! Something I'm playing with these days : Casio SK1 ("the" instrument :) + Marshall Shredmaster distortion pedal + Boss DD20 (using the aux send of a mixer, this is quite important)... "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-33-635441551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
De : "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" = <rs@moinlabs.de>

=

Date : 12 janvier 2008 01:19:34 = HNEC

Objet : Live = Looping signal chain - the most simple looping = setup


This makes me wonder...who = does have the most simple looping setup?

Possible metrics for that:

=

* least number of = devices

* least = size/weight

= * most simple with regard to processing possibilities

=


Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have = a looper in it!


Something I'm playing with = these days :

Casio SK1 ("the" = instrument :) + Marshall Shredmaster distortion pedal + Boss DD20 (using = the aux send of a mixer, this is quite important)...

</daviD>
"Simulating the true = styles and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected = freely by you !"

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So it's Shredmaster, DD20 and mixer! (No cheating, please) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 12:27:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9163BECF; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3bjYGv8xeBdHoVzsyVfa2ZvvvfwSp31Vp781hbOKKLU=; b=FYcE6sWMr97RWCTqohLLctX/ppimG0iZkG8rp3mA/uGI8e5FY52ot74ycVMfZZs3yvwhUEw1Ia368dDmIg1LTCyp4kRvl0ZwkNJkdhnKENwY+JKONRKTQvzZtlLtaDiIjuV6kpBGdoIL6wEL/u/3LKR6QdTEcG4P813TAur8dQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nJIGsarXFZtlJ7BDNk0gty9RWODTtyiJnXr7NfmWDrxxsdIzbiZGPLbEUM7m/FTrj3tLSWFNn49GLz4bAiTuypSh1kognzUgzq1C8g2WlDFSLNtrCB5O8G/Do9Rhvpm1Yk+VgYwPvnUWIst9Uh6RzaBPWE/DJJfrm00R6Vwv5mM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:27:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6538_19371829.1200140862195" References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:27:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6538_19371829.1200140862195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline will be speakers hidden?. 2008/1/12, Paul Mimlitsch : > > Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going to try at an > upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic. I'll be playing= an > acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 powered computer > speakers off the RC50. The idea, which is working out pretty well in > practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and towards the back of my > chair (I play seated) and have the volume equal to or slightly less than = the > guitar - that way it'll be real acoustic over amplified looped acoustic. > Should work out fine unless crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's a > small room and shouldn't attract a static gathering - more "browsers". > On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > RC50 - amp > I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). > > -Paul > On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > edp-amp > > i win!! > > ;-) > > raul. > > 2008/1/12, max valentino : > > > > > > Well... my previous post was pretty simple. But, how abou this: > > Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it. > > > > I am actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at a= n > > art gallery next week. > > Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.... > > ...load in/out will be a pleasure! > > > > Max > > > > > > > > >> This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > > > Possible metrics for that: > > > * least number of devices > > > * least size/weight > > > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > > > > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper > > in it! > > > > > > I make the first submission: > > > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live= =99. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_6538_19371829.1200140862195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline will be speakers hidden?.

2008/1/12= , Paul Mimlitsch <pmimlitsch@mac.c= om>:
Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going = to try at an upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic.&n= bsp; I'll be playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 = with 2 powered computer speakers off the RC50.  The idea, which is wor= king out pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and = towards the back of my chair (I play seated) and have the volume equal to o= r slightly less than the guitar - that way it'll be real acoustic over = amplified looped acoustic.  Should work out fine unless crowd chatter = buries the sound, though it's a small room and shouldn't attract a = static gathering - more "browsers".

= On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:

RC50 - amp

I win - RC50 is simpler than the E= DP ;-).

-Paul
On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, R= aul Bonell wrote:

edp-amp

i win!!=

;-)

raul.

2008/1/12,= max valentino < ekstasis1@hotmail.com>:

Well... my previous post was pretty simple.  But, how abou t= his:
Zvex LoFi, Demeter Tube Direct Box......that's it.

I am = actually planning on using this rig for a solo bit I am to do at an art gal= lery next week.=20
Lemme see....no amp, two little bitty pieces of gear and one bass.......load in/out will be a pleasure!

Max



>> Thi= s makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup?
> Po= ssible metrics for that:=20
> * least number of devices
> * least size/weight
> * mo= st simple with regard to processing possibilities
>
> Instrumen= ts do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in it!
>
> I make the first submission:
> Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20>
> Rainer
>

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Here's what I think makes it so simple when you arrive for a gig: 1. Stuff it away somewhere on stage 2. Connect audio interface and output to house PA system 3. Connect the pedals you control looping with. 4. Turn it on. 5. Plug in and make music! I've been using many other pedals and rack devices in the past (EDP, REpeater, Delay units...) but they are never plug-n-play. 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------=_Part_31257_3376154.1200142243660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 13:20:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3D03BED2; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:20:14 -0500 References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:20:21 +0000 (UTC) I've experimented with routing via sends to multiple instances of Sopperlooper within Live. I can get very interesting. A bit of a challenge to keep everything straight in the head, but real fun. On Jan 11, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX > over > time to a loop that is playing ? > -Q > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain > > On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote: >> Got a couple of questions. >> >> 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal >> chain do >> you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to >> incorporate it. >> >> 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and >> put >> the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal > route? >> >> Thanks, >> Daniel > > > 1. I like to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effects > as part of the sound I'm working with. > > 2. I simply split the signal to all loopers. The loopers I put into > Record mode records, the others don't. I on signal split bypasses the > loopers and goes directly to the output, since all loopers are set to > "wet" mode. > > I'm not saying this way is better, I just find it easy to handle for > the music I like to make. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 13:37:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4263BEC7; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=8gX1vkS42UDIqQq/rxgehHAtlCtnMnk1yBVvKpfAuWU=; b=VGLJcWtRDZg92nEnS9vDr7Q89Rl6+4yd8vF3rRlptM+/H3mTO0LQOyfSztrwFCGP/FVlaou78tOy0Tf5ESs9r4JXiD9Of/mtAdDRClLOX5N6Lyz0wsZT3uF7FErtunEsOS20mnTq1Aztywrrcnm8vfKzGvxJEpZ9HojwiE8o9aU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=o1hyiHxINGRJpbggDLYlXm4V15XXfAk5akMgHLSjfZvo5jeADgTTGFqwePr3Gkqf2NbqMNvJjJ8hB2+0lWOihy/OjzN0sz7ymBqTjwfwKXstvhjv3uy9Jb4Jy0URnHt9NdGVYw9Ha1/gpYyz09V9sOQnJ2WEiLDtzA0sPgRIOFo= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801120537u65150105h5659e2a1d6878e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:37:02 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Live Looping signal side chain - the most simple looping setup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:37:03 +0000 (UTC) I misread the subject line for that other thread about "simple setup" and it got me into thinking about side-chaining in live looping. So I thought I might write something about that since side chain is very cool and useful for creating subtle variation in loops I do it a lot in post prod but have not found a simple way to have fun with side chaining when doing real-time live looping, until recently. What it means is that you run an audio signal through an effect device and then you set this effect device to listen to a different audio signal and imply the dynamics of that one to the one its affecting. The latest side chain toy I've found is this built-in plug-in of Loogelloop called Convo. The plug-in reminds me of a DJ mixer but instead of blending two turntables it applies the rhythm of one track to the audio level of another track. A nice trick for starting out a performance is to set up Convo to modulate Track 1 from the rhythm of Track 2. And so you start looping in "Mix Mode" (overdubbing into the same loop) to create a thick drone on Track 1. 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------=_Part_32524_30498731.1200147424631-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 14:17:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2AE43BEC5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-649650649 Message-Id: <9CAAACC5-751B-43F9-90A8-5E48167E44D6@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:21:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:17:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-649650649 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:27 AM, Raul Bonell wrote: > will be speakers hidden?. Not hidden, just unobtrusive. Object being to amplify the looping just to the point of matching the acoustic volume of the guitar - in effect an acoustic guitar duo. Ideally I could stream line more and go all battery power with an RC20 and small Roland cube but I've been working on some concepts that make use of the RC50's ability to run three independent loop lines... > 2008/1/12, Paul Mimlitsch : > Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going to try at an > upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic. I'll be > playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 > powered computer speakers off the RC50. The idea, which is working > out pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under > and towards the back of my chair (I play seated) and have the > volume equal to or slightly less than the guitar - that way it'll > be real acoustic over amplified looped acoustic. Should work out > fine unless crowd chatter buries the sound, though it's a small > room and shouldn't attract a static gathering - more "browsers". > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> RC50 - amp >> >> I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). >> >> -Paul >> On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: >> >>> edp-amp >>> >>> i win!! >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> raul. --Apple-Mail-1-649650649 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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will be = speakers hidden?.

Not hidden, just = unobtrusive.=A0 Object being to amplify the looping just to the point of = matching the acoustic volume of the guitar - in effect an acoustic = guitar duo.=A0 Ideally I could stream line more and go all battery power = with an RC20 and small Roland cube but I've been working on some = concepts that make use of the RC50's ability to run three independent = loop lines...


2008/1/12, Paul Mimlitsch = <pmimlitsch@mac.com>:
Actually, for me, the simplest set up is one I'm going to try = at an upcoming art gallery gig that's supposed to be acoustic.=A0 I'll = be playing an acoustic 12 string baritone guitar into a RC50 with 2 = powered computer speakers off the RC50.=A0 The idea, which is working = out pretty well in practice anyway, is to have the speakers under and = towards the back of my chair (I play seated) and have the volume equal = to or slightly less than the guitar - that way it'll be real acoustic = over amplified looped acoustic.=A0 Should work out fine unless crowd = chatter buries the sound, though it's a small room and shouldn't attract = a static gathering - more "browsers".

On Jan 11, 2008, at = 7:47 PM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:

RC50 - = amp

I win - RC50 is simpler than the EDP ;-). =

-Paul
On Jan 11, 2008, at 7:19 = PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

edp-amp

i= = win!!

;-)

raul.
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------=_Part_32603_9255417.1200147673374-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 16:55:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB533BEC7; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=01NjT320ZM1THL3lotksT+VKpJx8QPmTVJI4PweIwdA=; b=JbNZb0TgoOesBv8dX/OvbS+0yq+Za6P9avvpM0nqXEnkXTZOKQ5oUktO6gwf7cl+Morx876XzYhEPJ2iJRmdi2UjwGj7JRWKjE2CQb5lpDRPExjLc1m6TcJ3LzpLMvfc1pp01gskZe3TuCvDXzHa1IOQ8HgTpx4KUqOtIDj4FEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Rbpg9MRZxhlnk0KMJeEXxBc7KD2/eqF0Vw9SiK3UrMo4HHvAZqYvFh89jOZRWV8i30ogsLe61mrksAuBhoHNY2yXadl4E30Bfu3IuiPoQFCydekDon4cGQ9zQ7wvlr++R0i8+KcQyr2XKhHGD3WlDO9qLg9pUeNsRJ1wsrlslfA= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:51:30 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup In-Reply-To: <01AB20BE-4924-4E03-8D65-73B776AFE390@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5548_12286527.1200156690377" References: <20080112030127.AA8F13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> <01AB20BE-4924-4E03-8D65-73B776AFE390@free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:55:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5548_12286527.1200156690377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cool, I love the little Casio SK1 and have done some music with it. Multitracking, not looping: http://www.marksmart.net/randommusic/descent/descent.html A reasonably cool synth disguised as a toy. Do you have recordings of your SK1 looping posted? -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_5548_12286527.1200156690377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Cool, I love the little Casio SK1 and have done some music with it. Multitracking, not looping:
 
 
A reasonably cool synth disguised as a toy.
Do you have recordings of your SK1 looping posted?
------=_Part_5548_12286527.1200156690377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 18:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B693BECA; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 439 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:15:38 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OGFv9W/LwZ9ddtHMyQ2Q4x3MohNhgOYjl4RgZSjVC3g=; b=uu9fOu6EQLN4C/5SWBBSmbZPHbOm1qYe5a6HLpuoHehGKZoTGxtROQEPk+Sbhq/33kdB0brbETlA14Cc/5H6D4f9vXv7MhySR/PEhdtmOO0lrohjYEUswKE9R4OErupxkeLgcTmgjeF+TJEZa8FqYmvFWvI50ZZvXbXvQ45hd+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=juus5S2kWwZVDqXq3R9ZPAjZrMKoqL2gxoH3XLhlZJ0xUR8na256qAV10kApvmq2OVuy5HK5+eIrNbf5XfHERqM+8XkaWiFKPJnNbwcdbftlD5Rp5k73Q6/FBrYQUwlsr4iaPjQ5uXtQDuH6KL9G+/OIk0p028e2awGNCAZs3as= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:08:16 -0500 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zvex LoFi Junky Looper In-Reply-To: <001b01c85501$79f58180$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3976_8831540.1200161296564" References: <001b01c85501$79f58180$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:15:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3976_8831540.1200161296564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I forgot about that one -- that could even go via batteries. I'll have to drag mine out & give it a whirl (or a loop...) Thanks, Zak On Jan 12, 2008 4:57 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > true bypass (are there ANY other TB loopers?) make this super tempting. > Other than a looper, I'm a guitar -> lead -> amp > > Line6 DL4 can be set up to do true bypass, However, you need to turn a > knob > (no way to do that with footswitches if you're in looper mode). > > Rainer > > -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_3976_8831540.1200161296564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I forgot about that one -- that could even go via batteries. I'll have to drag mine out & give it a whirl (or a loop...)

Thanks,
Zak

On Jan 12, 2008 4:57 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> true bypass (are there ANY other TB loopers?) make this super tempting.
Other than a looper, I'm a guitar -> lead -> amp

Line6 DL4 can be set up to do true bypass, However, you need to turn a knob
(no way to do that with footswitches if you're in looper mode).

       Rainer




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Zak Kramer
Crazyquilt Arts & Music
 http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_3976_8831540.1200161296564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 18:30:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211503BEB9; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c85547$e040a0f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:20:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Flute, AMT mic, DL4 or RC20XL, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup >> Mine is easy..... > > This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in > it! > > I make the first submission: > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > Rainer > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:38:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7153BEC7; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e3c25baf-d973-4afb-99ed-32bf3e386851_" X-Originating-IP: [24.217.132.75] From: J Johans To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:38:36 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20080112030127.AA8F13BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> <01AB20BE-4924-4E03-8D65-73B776AFE390@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2008 19:38:36.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9516E60:01C85552] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) --_e3c25baf-d973-4afb-99ed-32bf3e386851_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guitar --> Tuner --> POD --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 --> MixerKeys --= > GCX --> DBX 1046 --> Mixer Fhantom XR --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 -= -> Mixer Vox --> ART Tube Pre --> POD --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 --> Mixer V-Drums --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 --> Mixer Aux 1 & 2 --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 --> Mixer i sent these pics to electrix - they didnt seem to give a shit =3D) maybe y= ou guys care....*sniff* =20 oh...most simple? i thought you said most sexy 3D"Photobucket"m/albums/z78/parispro00/?action=3Dview= ¤t=3Dbak.gif" target=3D"_blank">3D"Photobucket" _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008= --_e3c25baf-d973-4afb-99ed-32bf3e386851_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guitar --> Tuner --> POD --> Repeater --> GCX --> DBX 1046 -= -> Mixer
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Put your friends on the big screen with Win= dows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. Start now! = --_e3c25baf-d973-4afb-99ed-32bf3e386851_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 19:47:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F033BEAF; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Farewell Mort Garson Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:47:29 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 71.107.167.104 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ryman1960@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CA236B1973FA85_584_D67E_MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CA236B1973FA85-584-6A49@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CA236B1973FA85_584_D67E_MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Farewell to Mort Garson 1924-2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Garson ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ----------MB_8CA236B1973FA85_584_D67E_MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Farewell to Mort Garson 1924-2007.
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----------MB_8CA236B1973FA85_584_D67E_MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 20:00:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A428D3BECC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:57:34 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #562 for January 10, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47891BAE.7000806@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:00:24 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080110.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #562 January 10, 2008. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from "Are You Sequenced?" on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) VA [Schroyder, Fox, Gaiole part 1 New Worlds (AmbientLive) Lawler, Nagle, Konig,Zygar] Mark Jenkins Phobos & Deimos Ghosts of Mars (AMP/R.Dream) Dancing Mark Jenkins Mykonos Ghosts of Mars (AMP/R.Dream) Mark Jenkins Ghosts of Mars Ghosts of Mars (AMP/R.Dream) Brendan Pollard Flux Echoes * Flux Echoes (Acoustic Wave) Klaus Schulze Welcome to the Moog Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Brothers Klaus Schulze Vocs in the Dark I Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Vocs in the Dark II Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze No Fret - No Bass Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Valle de la Luna Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Are You Sequenced? Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Moogie Baby Goes Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Solo Klaus Schulze Moldanya Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Vidanya Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze The Wozard of Doz Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Are We Getting Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) Lost? 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from "Are You Sequenced?" on Revisited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 20:28:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5394A3BEC5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:28:26 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zPxyI7NBBUa+gOqzkB0MYw==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=oGRFqcvqqADdOG0g0UgA:9 a=SQpc1lw9WNu98on2e-AA:7 a=YZuheCMb05iOWE6bN2bx9FwzhWMA:4 a=cF_6qAr0opQA:10 a=ZUCc8-J6hhAA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 a=d46lUuF_AAAA:8 a=f2vqJNBakAVhFFiN_FsA:9 a=2IdwBkmT8O9WHQXt0aQA:7 a=eGbrFBSIrw7C0-idpsKfq_p3l4sA:4 a=nzsYJDvBqywA:10 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Farewell Mort Garson Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:21:24 +0000 Message-Id: <011220082021.24778.47892144000634AD000060CA22070016410196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24778_1200169284_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:28:27 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24778_1200169284_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds of the Zodiac was one of my favorite albums when I was a kid. I'd always ask my mom to play it for bedtime so I could lie in bed and drift off to sleep listening to synthesizers. Thank god that had no long term side effects......................beep ........whirrrr.......drone.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ bryan helm -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: ryman1960@aol.com Farewell to Mort Garson 1924-2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Garson More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24778_1200169284_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sounds of the Zodiac was one of my favorite albums when I was a kid. I'd always ask my mom to play it for bedtime so I could lie in bed and drift off to sleep listening to synthesizers. Thank god that had no long term side effects......................beep ........whirrrr.......drone.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
                                                         bryan helm
 
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From: ryman1960@aol.com
Farewell to Mort Garson 1924-2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Garson
More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_24778_1200169284_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 21:23:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937133BEB2; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <011220082021.24778.47892144000634AD000060CA22070016410196010D9F010104@comcast.net> References: <011220082021.24778.47892144000634AD000060CA22070016410196010D9F010104@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-674983044 Message-Id: <0B19AE54-83DA-4777-A6BD-A10A561656E4@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Farewell Mort Garson Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:23:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:23:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-674983044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Although inevitable, this truly sucks. Another Light has gone out in the world. (sigh) I have a LONG been a great fan of MG! Besides the below mentioned Zodiac LP (which I have had since it came out), along with a few of the individual 12 astro-signs albums. I also have some of his other albums such as "Black Mass Lucifer" and "The Unexplained" (both are "occult" and GREAT!) and also "The Wozard of Id", "Electric Hair Pieces", and "Music for Sensuous Lovers" (Oooo!), with music by "Z", which was Garson, hee hee! -Rev. Fever On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:21 PM, loopbozo@comcast.net wrote: > Sounds of the Zodiac was one of my favorite albums when I was a > kid. I'd always ask my mom to play it for bedtime so I could lie in > bed and drift off to sleep listening to synthesizers. Thank god > that had no long term side > effects......................beep ........whirrrr.......drone.....ZZZZ > ZZZZZZZZZZZZ > > bryan helm > > -- > Music and Mosaics > bryanhelm.wordpress.com > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: ryman1960@aol.com > Farewell to Mort Garson 1924-2007. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mort_Garson > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! --Apple-Mail-5-674983044 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Although inevitable, this truly sucks. Another Light has gone out in the = world. (sigh)

I = have a LONG been a great fan of MG! =A0

Besides the below = mentioned Zodiac LP (which I have had since it came = out),=A0
along with a few of the individual 12 astro-signs = albums.

I = also have some of his other albums such as "Black Mass Lucifer" and "The = Unexplained" (both are =A0"occult" and GREAT!)
and also "The = Wozard of Id", "Electric Hair Pieces", and "Music for Sensuous Lovers" = (Oooo!),
with music by "Z", which was Garson, hee = hee!

-Rev. = Fever


On Jan 12, 2008, = at 12:21 PM, loopbozo@comcast.net = wrote:

Sounds of the Zodiac was one of my favorite albums = when I was a kid. I'd always ask=A0my mom to play it for bedtime so I = could lie in bed and drift off=A0to sleep listening to synthesizers. = Thank god that had no long term side effects......................beep = ........whirrrr.......drone.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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http://en.wikipedia.= org/wiki/Mort_Garson
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= --Apple-Mail-5-674983044-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 21:54:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA16E3BEB9; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=d8Qs307C1tFS4/SzEvU20H5NRy2TTq1BAN6FYgvll7LYI3Jwi3dZoqUNFQ4VL/lN74fcM59ssplEIxU5rojpSRkHNywHYKctGrx6DMKZv70VBrQu5k8mPMefuYhE0SeP5Fi9uEOpCQHx9Zr/Jh040jTxOx2X9pBOp87sZKwOolI=; X-YMail-OSG: .3CvlSMVM1msQ4cN8Iy2TSXd.8dNWnMB_O2LTZfzFdleaj.LFsUTpVj4njs2b8PPGqTB5DKH1xHNAFDwvoptzREfwI8uEgZ.pcr86w634nDOi1B1TzEUykrwpQVXMw-- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0B19AE54-83DA-4777-A6BD-A10A561656E4@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1837779838-1200174893=:98996" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5eAioC.A.JwE.ucTiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:54:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1837779838-1200174893=:98996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-1837779838-1200174893=:98996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot 

Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-1837779838-1200174893=:98996-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 12 23:20:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97C5F3BEC5; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47894B73.8070305@imt.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:21:23 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0k-xdD.A.jyH.XtUiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I got to see those the day before they came out here in Bozeman :-). Knew it was only a matter of time on that one. They are quite cool. -Bob Paul Richards wrote: > > > */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /* > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 00:53:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3753BEC7; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WjekzvbevbuIesteQrOL0aEtYhFGrWVcxyYBjdsfTWxBDkaE4QB4iMIvJi2QV99g; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <00e101c8557e$a7beaab0$420310ac@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: Recomendations for hardware looper Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:52:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C8553B.9645D710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b57112073a8da99a4aff1ef2698c6cf891786df161ed100934fc43b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:53:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C8553B.9645D710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've been on the list for a few months now. I have mostly been working on looping with Live. But hearing all the = talk about pedal loopers has made me want one as well for a few = experiments. What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 = distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 separate outputs = (for the purpose of mixing them well later).=20 Can any of you let me know what hardware devices would fill those = requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the price range). Thanks! JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C8553B.9645D710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I've been on the list for a few months=20 now.
I have mostly been working on looping = with Live.=20 But hearing all the talk about pedal loopers has made me want one as = well for a=20 few experiments.
What I'm thinking of would require a = looper device=20 that can hold 4 distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 = separate=20 outputs (for the purpose of mixing them well later).
Can any of you let me know what = hardware devices=20 would fill those requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the = price=20 range).
Thanks!
 
JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/Other=20 Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com= /
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.c= om/
http://secretsareevery= where.blogspot.com/
------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C8553B.9645D710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 05:52:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E51713BEC1; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QsNr2uqFLkWb6/JJYeFISk9urAq5MJRotLjhzIosycw=; b=wZsYWnwmgZlOD4Jy58GUTY1H2aZZQbOyxU+FkS2bXxcMPdwqF535a3Vj9B2besqJkOvXf//NoQPgCeOBpCN+677uvQamLLdWh52XMfTauq/xj+wN1+Ys1Q3PVAKatIg1KQCR4XypHO3Z5G+KKfS/RKItu8hnDlwATScTll0xpHg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oY+umk+oe5DLae7Sevq6xvOGHWC7dQpJv5OzwmCbfczgU/zYsvaJL3KpE1wcZLJUpCx7tJUF3E4xouFrgUT6vD/IW1bMti5xTCY8kf720fQb9r+PseK3xsQoFHX6DXw6WBSPfaJKGAtnJLpGbAHGZy6jvJyGrTDe+eIi/euWhcE= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:52:35 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper In-Reply-To: <00e101c8557e$a7beaab0$420310ac@ECCO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8459_2560032.1200203555959" References: <00e101c8557e$a7beaab0$420310ac@ECCO> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:52:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8459_2560032.1200203555959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its footpedal or i think now it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any midi controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup though. raul. 2008/1/13, JC : > > Hi, > > I've been on the list for a few months now. > I have mostly been working on looping with Live. But hearing all the talk > about pedal loopers has made me want one as well for a few experiments. > What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 > distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 separate outputs (for > the purpose of mixing them well later). > Can any of you let me know what hardware devices would fill those > requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the price range). > Thanks! > > JC Mendizabal > Black Note Music > http://www.blacknotemusic.com > Via Sinistrae > www.viasinistrae.com > http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ > Other Sites > http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ > http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ > http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8459_2560032.1200203555959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its footpedal or i think now it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any midi controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup though.

raul.

2008/1/13, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net>:
Hi,
 
I've been on the list for a few months now.
I have mostly been working on looping with Live. But hearing all the talk about pedal loopers has made me want one as well for a few experiments.
What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 separate outputs (for the purpose of mixing them well later).
Can any of you let me know what hardware devices would fill those requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the price range).
Thanks!
 



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TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8459_2560032.1200203555959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 10:37:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4B833BECA; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FFo951i5lcwA:10 a=BBkj1lNsAAAA:8 a=v6n1sVXBAAAA:8 a=ylsHgkKQAAAA:8 a=KtIZq9tjAAAA:8 a=R535e5weAAAA:8 a=FFmTA6Q6AAAA:8 a=9elO9794AAAA:8 a=WYd5oxahAAAA:8 a=nEJoZ4RnAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=fkieF908AAAA:8 a=BYJx2vr5cpICy-13pG8A:9 a=5NG2J15hYToJ7tFjvzsA:7 a=wuQN35C7QM3BB61xAnS735wUwD8A:4 a=rwdujQnNL44A:10 a=6OvZ4q2HEg4A:10 a=bna5YbvUmWkA:10 a=Iy_Zv2eo3rYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=uQMVP62jbB0A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=TWlKPyEPx6FdzoLe8LoA:9 a=_8seSrPjmDCP5eBIOpwA:7 a=PyVxkLnxanZhWwxjDQC-kg8gXI4A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <000d01c855d0$5eb64060$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <00e101c8557e$a7beaab0$420310ac@ECCO> Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:37:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C855A6.75370010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:37:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C855A6.75370010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I finally ordered my 2880 w/ footswitch, I am not sure about using a = midi ft contoller but I do have the software upgrade also so I'll find = out. It doesn't have 4 seperate outputs but can record 4 seperate tracks = (all the same length) and then mix them to a stereo mixdown track = freeing up 1 - 4 again. check this out for more info. = http://www.ehx.com/instructions/2880_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf 408$ for the 2880 and 111$ for the footpedal at MF. Don't tell me about = a cheaper place to buy it now, I don't want to know....lol happy Looping, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its footpedal or i think now = it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any midi = controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup = though. raul.=20 2008/1/13, JC : Hi, I've been on the list for a few months now. I have mostly been working on looping with Live. But hearing all the = talk about pedal loopers has made me want one as well for a few = experiments. What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 = distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 separate outputs = (for the purpose of mixing them well later).=20 Can any of you let me know what hardware devices would fill those = requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the price range). Thanks! JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1221 - Release Date: = 1/12/2008 2:04 PM ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C855A6.75370010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I finally ordered my 2880 w/ = footswitch, I am not=20 sure about using a midi ft contoller but I do have the software upgrade = also so=20 I'll find out. It doesn't have 4 seperate outputs but can record 4 = seperate=20 tracks (all the same length) and then mix them to a stereo mixdown track = freeing=20 up 1 - 4 again.  check this out for more info. http://www= .ehx.com/instructions/2880_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf
 408$ for the 2880 and 111$ for = the footpedal=20 at MF. Don't tell me about a cheaper place to buy it now, I don't want = to=20 know....lol
happy Looping,
Jeff
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electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its footpedal = or i=20 think now it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any midi=20 controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup=20 though.

raul.

2008/1/13, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net>:
Hi,
 
I've been on the list for a few = months=20 now.
I have mostly been working on = looping with=20 Live. But hearing all the talk about pedal loopers has made me want = one as=20 well for a few experiments.
What I'm thinking of would require = a looper=20 device that can hold 4 distinct separate loops and can send them out = from 4=20 separate outputs (for the purpose of mixing them well later). =
Can any of you let me know what = hardware=20 devices would fill those requirements (preferably towards the lower = end of=20 the price range).
Thanks!
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 16:15:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABCCC3BEB8; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478A390B.40404@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:15:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Recomendations for hardware looper References: <000f01c855e3$01828fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000f01c855e3$01828fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:15:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm tiresomely compelled to mention that with the normal caveats of it being lo-fi, idiosyncratic, unpredictable, and unstylish, a cassette four-track will give you four distinct loops, and most have four separate tape outs for each of its distinct loops on playback...stereo...nearly unlimited loop length...and cheap as hell. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 >> > distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 > >> separate outputs (for the purpose of mixing them well later). >> > > I don't know of anything like that in the pedal form factor, and you won't > find anything like it in the lower price range. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:16:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C0143BEB6; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:16:18 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SAPA6Jp7zdkEGfYmSHzWHlx9AKKOdus5bBDx+lNx9IMGW9sEUsg2+D9RWk03XE4rBT6752wC2PBbZESQp6msC+xcCZIyWb0R5WHQMUEGfVe57peqdHfFW/9tG/TvNivOgum8VuMKZgZyYzgroYLxaZc54xt4l3DJ2fLLduDOsX4=; X-YMail-OSG: BkAghQYVM1mrYYR8r7Rnta5l6a3.Gxd.jM3h26ObjYxw7qHPoF7Jxxa5WrkiH.o4xQ-- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:09:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pierce Subject: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7GhAKD.A.VDG.y2oiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm a new person to this forum. (I did a search through the L-Delight site and found a little info but nothing too deatiled. Maybe someone can point me to the right place.) I've been using a digitech Jamman for about a year but only privately. I'd like to start using it live but can't seem to figure out how to stay synched when I practice with a drum machine. (I don't even want to try it out in band practice until I figure out how to work out this issue.) No matter how "on" I am with my tapping to initiate the loop, the looped phrase ultimately starts to sound off beat after some time compared to the drum machine beat. So, what's the trick: In live settings do you just get the drummer to follow the loop? Or do I just have bad timing and need to continue to practice my tap ins and outs? Finally, I don't see much praise for the digitech. Am I using the wrong looper for a live situation? (I just discovered Kristian Dunn of El Ten Eleven and love what he's doing with a looper(s). It seems like he might have to use two in order to do verse/chorus/bridge-type songs. Or is that done in a different way?) So, this is actually a couple questions and I would appreciate any help. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:43:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629843BECC; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-766210121 Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:43:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:43:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-766210121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup. Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. --Apple-Mail-1-766210121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Leave it to Gibson to waste = their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? Certainly = nobody you would want to listen to. I don't get the Digital one either. = So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed to do with = that? It doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup.=A0
Henry = whats-his-face is ruining that company.=A0
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= --Apple-Mail-1-766210121-- From torque12@torqueconsulting.com.au Sun Jan 13 22:49:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from torqueconsulting.com.au (ensim.smartydns68.com [66.98.164.2]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77C13BEB2 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:49:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from torque12@localhost) by torqueconsulting.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id lBC2Icj8000676; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:38 +1100 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:18:38 +1100 Message-Id: <200712120218.lBC2Icj8000676@torqueconsulting.com.au> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: URGENT REPLY NEEDED From: ENG ALEN CAMPBELL Reply-To: eng_alen_campbell11@yahoo.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I AM MR ALEN CAMPBELL, AN AUTO ENGINEER,I AND MY CLIENT ARE READY TO BUY THE CAR WE SAW THROUGH ONLINE ADVERT,I WANT TO KNOW IF THE CAR IS STILL AVAILABLE FOR SELL? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:55:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97C233BE46; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478A96F3.9020702@imt.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:55:47 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3Wk1LC.A.0BB.XbpiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Hehe...I mean in terms of the 'nobody you would want to listen to'.. possibly. .We were talking about Phil Keaggy before and one of the things that I really enjoy is the way he so smoothly pulls tuning changes in the midst of a performance. The whole organic aspect of a man interacting with his instrument proficiently just makes the performance more enjoyable to me. But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for instance. And I'm sure ruin the company or not..they'll make a bunch of money on the idea :-). I personally don't have plans to get one but the idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they have too much money. And others will see some performance advantage to it.. -Bob Chris Sewell wrote: > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who > can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I > don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, > What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every > other Hex pickup. > Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> >> >> */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /* >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:56:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFF193BEDB; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRA4s3J8Ew= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:57:21 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c85637$a7faca40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchWNcWw0Sq3wpzrQLWLsMeiI5GBxAAAY/rg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:56:44 +0000 (UTC) > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want > to listen to. I really can see the reason to quickly change between different tunings at the flip of a switch mid-tune. Looper Michael Manring does this a lot, using hipshot bridges. So that's not really innovative...and it seems it doesn't work for that application, either. > I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It > doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup. Another one of the luminaries here did that a long time ago: http://matthias.grob.org/pParad/pppp.htm. Process each of your strings individually? Hell, yeah, I'd like to do that! But again, it's not new... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 22:57:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE5263BEE0; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XcZSkFd7gUf8IwUQjMkqo39g/e65aVl7EoHb2xqQKdg=; b=sVdKDBlDt0lFRcv1ID+cc0gWtuz3kx6MBBznB08nhgoVpXPURktthPnriH1reRUGggwXDCENJGB98Hy/iBfZgR767KBZi26rhZfWgTJbJzsJUnmrc3m2tlKkvaPTF9vENzim+OiIj8t/e2Lii7/R4qKbSlHjVA+PV9WgjRUlDgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mWNawTRQN3XjI4rKbzA/5gMwziRuaQhbmk9HjlltvtG/agQn30QDc6TCwBl6diX4Q30WDzWYaBvKFKtR/AWnDtmflQ7tHMlJPcNCZazBO/KMpbn7CD1L2dqkyPoC/QpTa2lliX7J63WFocjTMBBcWndHtFlIwmWDCJOmm89bPRs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801131457m2317e7c6r6e7df3a0b4d9f9b2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:57:16 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section In-Reply-To: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 13, 2008 11:09 PM, Tom Pierce wrote:. > > So, what's the trick: In live settings do you just get > the drummer to follow the loop? That's a quite common trick, yes. Another technique that many use is to set up a foot pedal to instantly retrigger the playing loop, like a stutter. Then you can adjust its start point while playing with the band. A third way is to erase the loop by starting to record a new one and then make this new one fit the new tempo. (I'm leaving out your other questions that I am not the the best person to answer) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:01:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5D853BEDE; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=50XNlqop1HQmob8sLZ2+UZ/yUzZYI2OlziLA3upQ674=; b=rvbcAlP1UzAg9alTmhhwxqjGKjIzRtfv5O8JDUVovePl8DIA384PpBO2KBHKLpT3NC7r8D7LkdkE3u5DtCABEmT4Utn6xtwF180Dsj6zErmd4wzoGtmCyTdcY0r4kA+iuLm1+HQznKjOxIFQo6yBGDUxkpDeI0k5EalKU6lfyus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YcrQZc7TIOOlwvPaC/BIsB0+5zSVrezbod7qsUH5Fxcd/PlCgnN06uq4Z9IBsBgZZ2aZKaKniUa6dVNrEEhM4X80FF+C5Rz6FAOW+pvJKt9fSN8aLcwO8KYFHef14INiBzbQ8WAiKJOKwUhnFyfXfK7MzuKxj7GHZviEpeFdJsQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:01:53 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:01:55 +0000 (UTC) A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar: http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone wonders what that thing sounds like. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:02:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F8C3BEF0; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=I/uOwsu0zbFYPF7poOn60I+24DRLIP6CbI2dRJT1Cfb8JV2/s1MPYA6DSAbPI5l0qmE7BfPDw4vxJI4ViVMOBmfbggO8oU8BBuOPIkvG+Uj5Y02pvHBC8R7yXljnjOlNDb1rr9A1RIo4K0aVwI8lROh0Ppmunu6gKUrgTYydHeo=; X-YMail-OSG: mYCLX6kVM1llztY1JfF50IHSNYuq1gl8gCgOWA5_mXsTbRdfCyGQuIvwo52c8xcmXjw1pWDPxqwLhzMp2Ngsmjcr8f6NcaP_hBhkY5LVrhCoQkFD5yQ- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <525458.8799.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Sure man no problem I think I can help you at least a little bit here. In all my experiences it is imperative to find a open minded drummer! I have found once they kick the EGO side of themselves for the most part things run a lot smoother. I have a Boomerang and I just love it to death. I have had it modded with some secrets and have rebuilt/reinforced the pedals and triggers to be instantaneous and now its a blast and a half to play with live drummers! I am just getting used to the midi controlled side of things via ableton live and have a lot of learning to do there. My drummer Wade Heilig in Eagle Dawn is quite open minded thank God in the heavenlies because he has to be. My music is completely spontaneous and I welcome the mistakes because more often than not they turn into the best ideas to work from! Keep an open mind and keep practicing, it really helps to tap out a time signature and step on the record on the time or off the time like I do with split timing stuff. I actually still have a lot of learning to do and look forward to that fact. After all if it was not for mistakes we would have no idea of what is right and what is wrong and those perceptions are different for most everybody good and bad included. Now there are many more expensive options with quantize but that really kills the spontaneousness for me but thats me and you are you so be who you are with your all in flying colors :D www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects more independent film projects on the way as well... "I do not pretend to know the future, I just do sometimes" --- Tom Pierce wrote: > I'm a new person to this forum. (I did a search > through the L-Delight site and found a little info but > nothing too deatiled. Maybe someone can point me to > the right place.) > > I've been using a digitech Jamman for about a year but > only privately. I'd like to start using it live but > can't seem to figure out how to stay synched when I > practice with a drum machine. (I don't even want to > try it out in band practice until I figure out how to > work out this issue.) No matter how "on" I am with my > tapping to initiate the loop, the looped phrase > ultimately starts to sound off beat after some time > compared to the drum machine beat. > > So, what's the trick: In live settings do you just get > the drummer to follow the loop? Or do I just have bad > timing and need to continue to practice my tap ins and > outs? > > Finally, I don't see much praise for the digitech. Am > I using the wrong looper for a live situation? (I just > discovered Kristian Dunn of El Ten Eleven and love > what he's doing with a looper(s). It seems like he > might have to use two in order to do > verse/chorus/bridge-type songs. Or is that done in a > different way?) > > So, this is actually a couple questions and I would > appreciate any help. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:02:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E22B3BEF5; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRA4s3J8Ew= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:03:21 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c85638$7e603250$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AchWMevURDF796chSEW01Vr2RqxyDQAAVIjw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Tom, > I've been using a digitech Jamman for about a year but only > privately. I'd like to start using it live but can't seem to > figure out how to stay synched when I practice with a drum > machine. (I don't even want to try it out in band practice There is one good way, and that is to use MIDI sync. For that, you need a looper that syncs to MIDI clock and a drum machine that outputs MIDI clock or vice versa. Everything else is not big fun...for another suggestion, see below. > So, what's the trick: In live settings do you just get the > drummer to follow the loop? Having the drummer follow the loop will work in most ensemble situations where the rhythm is based on the drum part a lot. Another approach (which also works with drum machines, and which Per also pointed out) is to manually retrigger the loop to stay in sync...don't know if the Digitech Jamman kan do it. Then, you can use loops that work well with the music even if they drift out of sync... > a looper(s). It seems like he might have to use two in order > to do verse/chorus/bridge-type songs. Or is that done in a > different way?) Use a looper that can hold different loops in memory and switch between them seamlessly...I believe the Digitech Jamman can do that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:19:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9D983BEEA; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:16:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-reply-to: <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different > signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi > like every other Hex pickup. No hex pickup that I ever heard of has MIDI. A hex pickup has, well, six pickups, one per string. Additional hardware is always required to convert these six signals into MIDI, no matter where you locate that extra hardware. The Casio MIDI guitars just happen to include that hardware in the guitar itself. But the hex pickup itself is not MIDI without the help of extra electronics. Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was a fuzz box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple frequency bands, distorting each one individually, and then recombining the outputs. This method was supposed to be an improvement over distorting the original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, and with a little knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I would love to hear a guitar played through its hex pickup where each string's output goes to its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six multieffect processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but I'd sure love to hear the results. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:26:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD3C3BEF5; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRA4s3J8Ew= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:27:14 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000501c8563b$d49fc9c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> Thread-Index: AchWOshhSgkH/brGRWme4OPsZys1dwAANnEw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:26:37 +0000 (UTC) > Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was > a fuzz box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple > frequency bands, distorting each one individually, and then > recombining the outputs. This is what a lot of Eventide boxes, e.g. the Eclipse, do. > This method was supposed to be an improvement over distorting > the original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, and > with a little knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I > would love to hear a guitar played through its hex pickup > where each string's output goes to its own guitar amp. Six > amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six multieffect > processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but > I'd sure love to hear the results. The Roland VG series (the VBass and the VG-99 and I believe also the VG-88) have this polydistortion instrument model with one distortion for each string. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:30:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F8B3BEF6; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Y0ivDWgDNf7jXhg+Vz7MmMU7ZErmi9lyq17ITtshJiQ=; b=h5fiDvY3NsNb26eGSrscRg2sLSvMlj6m7plDEgMYYo8WVPfbM57g2NUOAECEFNdIIwxEylGdo5fOo4jQHSn9IijcEYuYYUGrYnNTpFht1ueAwTz8E9V5UbgZerXwrCeQYO/I3LB/yt+uqCA9zMiUaO2lGbBb/Fvs8aNBeqWNwb8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G6JNKyGRHmdBwgx9RBCfUh4csMt/xQ3ZvA9avrQXUQ1L6/0jnKGj7bFA4bYu8y2vtQtoukZsfkXo5wReE3vZ/OWnX3dOUr0+6vs1kOtBRVPgw14Cub+kjCPEJMASTDMy/bQdTPdi+UZ4ZG5RfuDFUy4t9lVdOv1LEILiJmByg9c= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801131530y524b8283vfa0286f0d942cd90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:30:13 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-Reply-To: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:30:16 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 14, 2008 12:16 AM, Bill Fox wrote: I would love to hear a > guitar played through its hex pickup where each string's output goes to > its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six > multieffect processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but > I'd sure love to hear the results. Polyphonic distortion is a wonderful application of HEX pickups! I would also like to bring each string into my laptop through separate channels and built six channel setups with different treatments per string. I've already done this with MIDI guitar but just think about the possibilities when working with the instrument's real sound! And you can use fretless guitar as well :-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:34:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F5AA3BF07; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GpsIJ3vlBoO1WDn2K4SYUVfW4tqrLKJX4G3Ufb08bqI=; b=Te/Sim4cpmhs5lJbixOun1QBOA8Lem63r71YUWndftG14NXs1j6xcJ5P/zYhPrn5iW7DlGLhoiy7k/UorKuaL31ivVBWDKXQSwyTrKycPFjlT7RpdlKWZmJCwL3YhGJ39VL4mSY7Cxoxc1JrjJXOSud56KoEUg8iVjziZIqqrQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NlANbMJTfrPjmVt93J7VPzyb59/hjbd4xzN+cxesEc/+7MPQUAQutyP7Exv8t2UEFPZuEprcAcAtoAQVJubIzR4YAbZ6c7h1fE00LHMBIVACCqqNZU9hy7Ph5vG6BA+Bc1BBqJWixYGDcYtNkguXPT4/g1K+Q6fOQe3SYRDDWRc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801131534i5c23e383k145ede987dccaeea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:34:36 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-Reply-To: <000501c8563b$d49fc9c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> <000501c8563b$d49fc9c0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:34:37 +0000 (UTC) > > Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was > > a fuzz box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple > > frequency bands, distorting each one individually, and then > > recombining the outputs. > On Jan 14, 2008 12:27 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > This is what a lot of Eventide boxes, e.g. the Eclipse, do. I'm using some software plug-ins that does this too. I'm noticing that all my plug-ins break down the signal to four separate frequency bands before applying further band specific processing. Is there any special reason to use exactly four bands? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 13 23:54:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 424333BEF5; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jmUfHxOrshZZ/H5WDapJhlGJZXtzFcZXMjBINJvpHI2XxgSdEfOPIubi58xysn2modJrwp5vItkvUswIuf6ZffZmWUp777npdZrXPRhWBxB+SOw0eoXipFyFxx/UJz78pat5gg/OwQL5X0Vc3I0/ffbTFh7ixsqaBdeTb8NIRpk=; X-YMail-OSG: 6wfoLT8VM1nLfEwNABNU7IRjQbCpc_vyvwCegtWm4XqxnVp5DKpby5byma4SySf_1g-- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: My master luthier instructor/Zen disciplinarian teacher and friend of the Universe William Eaton and one of his Youtube vids! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Wade , Roy Hatcher , stan greve , "stevem@osh.ks.gov" <'stevem@osh.ks.gov'>, Stephen Denton , Eric Redlhammer , eric dutton , "Dr. Eric A Shearer" , Kassandra Charboneau , "Dr. Karen Porte" , Kaylie Bernhardt , Sarah Shank , Richard Sales , Thano and Demitri Sahnas , Dennis Jamison , tykorandia@hotmail.com, Judy Westhoff , Julian Westhoff , Mark White , matt wilbert , Heather Maree Coleman/Albertini , dorothy stuckey halley , Marci Klotz , Doug or Marsha Phillips , Cyndee Harvey , Todd Hallawell , Michael Garfield , Jeffrey Furst , Naoki Shimodate , Jan Meredith , Greg Melching , deuce , Kevin Arensman , raineyamanda@hotmail.com, ray brecheisen , ShIronbutterfly Ray , Randy Johnson , Jessee Canarte , Jeff Scheetz , Thomas Rhodes , Rhonda , Jon Mikrut , LACY MIKRUT , Michael Bicknell , Michael Chapdelaine , blake minton , Peter Zhmutski In-Reply-To: <478A96F3.9020702@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <501549.59571.qm@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7BsuBB.A.M7D.6SqiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Guys and Gals and fellow followers of the subteraliens, check out one of my Master teachers, the one and only William Eaton and his transperformance system he is testin on the harp guitar he designed and built by hand including no mechanical clamps only by self discipline out side of time and space and strength in our school Roberto-Venn School of Luthiery!!! Ha Ha No kidding some of the clamping he did with his own body over a long period of glue setup time and it is still holding strong. I had the express opportunity to being able to accept an invitation to play this incredible instrument live at the Phoenix (All Stainless Steel and Glass) City Hall, as we tried to find the resonant frequency of the buildings acoustic space. He indeed found it and It was a incredible experience on a phenomenal instrument thanks to his wonderful selfless kind soul! www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I808GSGQk Love ya my Brother William, Thank you for being a huge part of the greatest goods Lord of ALL Gods Plan for Spaceship Earth :o) "Out there? No Question about that!" Namaste' Daniel T. Albertini aka: "Lightsight" www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Bob Weigel wrote: > Hehe...I mean in terms of the 'nobody you would want to listen to'.. > possibly. .We were talking about Phil Keaggy before and one of the > things that I really enjoy is the way he so smoothly pulls tuning > changes in the midst of a performance. The whole organic aspect of a > man interacting with his instrument proficiently just makes the > performance more enjoyable to me. > > But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button > while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for > instance. And I'm sure ruin the company or not..they'll make a bunch of > money on the idea :-). I personally don't have plans to get one but the > idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter > of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they > have too much money. And others will see some performance advantage to > it.. -Bob > > Chris Sewell wrote: > > > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who > > can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I > > don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, > > What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every > > other Hex pickup. > > Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /* > >> > >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > >> Search. > >> > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:11:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9613BF01; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jkOlMYq9LovAFrhBf8ZUwurxZFUQUj8O6ZBxkpR5v/ltxPUJ8Nz3d//OEE8eg1aM01VL5Ywe8ScVASD3GSOfTNxHvjiEPlIdjOB0C24V6oIQp9xtnelAiMTqQsFVetC7lZoShBK7Ot3nv2KGmAZf4KVRYYVxHYNN/KuIURPuDBs=; X-YMail-OSG: qYw7h08VM1mXnoN4Cc7v2oGtw1g0OjYGSNp7q_MCgp65ghUUl0XofU.R6DEzl3CInKETbvsW6IRTqcXXLB0hcmpsNYI.Kxe49MlFYmsPlg0NC_VT11hbvuXRfIE0OQ-- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1245729323-1200269493=:99353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <757847.99353.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:11:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1245729323-1200269493=:99353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, but look at the cool colored lights on the knobs! General tuning might be a stretch. I wouldn't mind the alternate tunings. But at over $2K... Chris Sewell wrote: Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup. Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1245729323-1200269493=:99353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yeah, but look at the cool colored lights on the knobs!
 
General tuning might be a stretch. I wouldn't mind the alternate tunings. But at over $2K...

Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup. 
Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. 
On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote:



 http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot 

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Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1245729323-1200269493=:99353-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:36:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB4B3BF14; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u4zU7znS0ZGu9l+4lVu/GuzY7gYsDqD+etnc7jlk7HGdA/w8NVNuuKwC4j6tUvp6YeDTVKPN+i7/t7lEZEvE+mDY+VB+RxOeRSz9VxPpCKzFbxiTD6LrGyXZP7cNL3hKWOxgH0gxxDKv0Vyf21zqP2kWPO/JpMx0y98VCY1I9h0=; X-YMail-OSG: W2Xre.sVM1k8TGbOxDZ4uyGCjWf.QT_nykos86ENAoaQ5.MJR_mcjDhMLHHVb6eIgSyfYOucXW8b3XFrLDzBxTBetkUU4S_wJP91 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:36:17 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478A96F3.9020702@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-482086153-1200270977=:12398" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <897999.12398.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:36:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-482086153-1200270977=:12398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (the idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they have too much money. ) There are SO many guitar-oriented products out now. Many seem appealing. Many seem absurd. I'm a sucker for many of them (i.e. Big Bends Nut Sauce, Ernie Ball "Guitar Wipes"). I was thinking of developing a product like the "Little Fretty" except it would attach to ones automobile steering wheel so one could limber up while in traffic. :) Paul Bob Weigel wrote: Hehe...I mean in terms of the 'nobody you would want to listen to'.. possibly. .We were talking about Phil Keaggy before and one of the things that I really enjoy is the way he so smoothly pulls tuning changes in the midst of a performance. The whole organic aspect of a man interacting with his instrument proficiently just makes the performance more enjoyable to me. But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for instance. And I'm sure ruin the company or not..they'll make a bunch of money on the idea :-). I personally don't have plans to get one but the idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they have too much money. And others will see some performance advantage to it.. -Bob Chris Sewell wrote: > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who > can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I > don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, > What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every > other Hex pickup. > Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> >> >> */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /* >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> > > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-482086153-1200270977=:12398 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
(the idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter
of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because
they have too much money. )
 
There are SO many guitar-oriented products out now. Many seem appealing. Many seem absurd. I'm a sucker for many of them (i.e. Big Bends Nut Sauce, Ernie Ball "Guitar Wipes").
 
I was thinking of developing a product like the "Little Fretty" except it would attach to ones automobile steering wheel so one could limber up while in traffic. :)
 
Paul

Bob Weigel <sounddoctorin@imt.net> wrote:
Hehe...I mean in terms of the 'nobody you would want to listen to'..
possibly. .We were talking about Phil Keaggy before and one of the
things that I really enjoy is the way he so smoothly pulls tuning
changes in the midst of a performance. The whole organic aspect of a
man interacting with his instrument proficiently just makes the
performance more enjoyable to me.

But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button
while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for
instance. And I'm sure ruin the company or not..they'll make a bunch of
money on the idea :-). I personally don't have plans to get one but the
idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter
of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they
have too much money. And others will see some performance advantage to
it.. -Bob

Chris Sewell wrote:

> Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who
> can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I
> don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals,
> What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every
> other Hex pickup.
> Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company.
> On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /*
>>
>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!
>> Search.
>>
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Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-482086153-1200270977=:12398-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1323D3BF10; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vzaGLD8oTCp8maHV5FymqsbLdh9xWlMI0xUQGjQi90FqSfaxseJRgPeAGSWrCbqYlQxbx1lElyH71l8ogeRT3DHtAujX4ps1NPF1GhJ9i875UqKLudTS9HOAAicBDeaPcgcdVKfagoHqMCgNZUvF4YYp85IKk4YVdJczuTV8UUw=; X-YMail-OSG: Uw6nwvcVM1n7iLY2NXsllr55mu1QLs5M2lQqsxONPtQGbx_GnYMDRkPi71d1WTbgsD.ryp_1pp6hsNh3jqtEZ6exggDgVNpx5cktCa0edVR.zCQcmkc- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1034193664-1200271086=:47395" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <481469.47395.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:38:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1034193664-1200271086=:47395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think the Guitar Amp capo has merit (a la Spinal Tap). Bill Fox wrote: Chris Sewell wrote: > I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different > signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi > like every other Hex pickup. No hex pickup that I ever heard of has MIDI. A hex pickup has, well, six pickups, one per string. Additional hardware is always required to convert these six signals into MIDI, no matter where you locate that extra hardware. The Casio MIDI guitars just happen to include that hardware in the guitar itself. But the hex pickup itself is not MIDI without the help of extra electronics. Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was a fuzz box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple frequency bands, distorting each one individually, and then recombining the outputs. This method was supposed to be an improvement over distorting the original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, and with a little knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I would love to hear a guitar played through its hex pickup where each string's output goes to its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six multieffect processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but I'd sure love to hear the results. Cheers, Bill --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1034193664-1200271086=:47395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think the Guitar Amp capo has merit (a la Spinal Tap).

Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Chris Sewell wrote:
> I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different
> signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi
> like every other Hex pickup.
No hex pickup that I ever heard of has MIDI. A hex pickup has, well,
six pickups, one per string. Additional hardware is always required to
convert these six signals into MIDI, no matter where you locate that
extra hardware. The Casio MIDI guitars just happen to include that
hardware in the guitar itself. But the hex pickup itself is not MIDI
without the help of extra electronics.

Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was a fuzz box
but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple frequency bands,
distorting each one individually, and then recombining the outputs.
This method was supposed to be an improvement over distorting the
original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, and with a little
knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I would love to hear a
guitar played through its hex pickup where each string's output goes to
its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six
multieffect processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but
I'd sure love to hear the results.

Cheers,

Bill


Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1034193664-1200271086=:47395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:51:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2D03BF12; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6L7kwqOEjA7bFXbi4YsuAIcE+pR59kJq2t+r3JpCI7U=; b=vuHetZPt+Z6xMpNIB9Lf1Hz0Snt7K+WjuQu0OiO8kqldIki8/goMznKdH47Ru2NwR44UA/QlRRdhl9wnG+4qXjTngZb/Lfw8N6YiTMyMt8EukEaTCZDp6azXLYZeHJHap71KKkrBgRcfbPuA7HQqU1eeDJzEU7tzUTEvk3pQl7k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bHqqY7VOIwAmyuXkctIzZT8SnnbQZLjYKA10I8I40UIizffReaN6KxRVuE75sbhUCOv3d+bnqQI8IF8v8JU7J4GCufvLCwfy6JtflfQwvXkEg2zlbLSCKgV0grIpo5DARXun29+psbiVvi7cItwnx8iRO+MMAbjaFi1vdPCjZeA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:51:47 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131530y524b8283vfa0286f0d942cd90@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9588_33259163.1200271907827" References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0801131530y524b8283vfa0286f0d942cd90@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:51:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9588_33259163.1200271907827 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill, I believe the Anderton unit you are talking about is called the Quadrafuzz. I think hex distortion is pretty cool, too. Sounds like Queen. A while back we got into a discussion/argument about this on the jazz guitar newsgroup and I made some recordings with my Roland VG-8's hex fuzz to show how it sounds very different from regular fuzz: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/guitarsounds/VG8/HexFuzz.html The earlier Roland synth guitars like the G-202, G-303- G-505, and G-808 had hex fuzz built into the guitar. This then got sent over one of the lines in the 24-pin cable to the synth (GR-300, usually) where it could be mixed with the actual synth sound. Wayne Jones has some pages up about that: http://www.joness.com/gr300/index.htm A useful tool for this kind of application is the RMC fanout box: http://www.rmcpickup.com/fanoutbox.html I don't have one, but you could plug your GK-2a compatible synth pickup into it and run each string through separate distortion. I was thinking about doing this before I got the VG-8, which does a really nice job of it. On the VG-8 you also can take some or all of the separately-distorted strings and pitch shift them. I like to do this by shifting the D string up an octave while leaving the others the same (there is an mp3 of this on my page). Then when you play drop-2 chords on the top four strings, it comes out sounding like 1930s-style close position big band chords being played by Queen. -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_9588_33259163.1200271907827 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Bill, I believe the Anderton unit you are talking about is called the Quadrafuzz.
 
I think hex distortion is pretty cool, too. Sounds like Queen. A while back we got into a discussion/argument about this on the jazz guitar newsgroup and I made some recordings with my Roland VG-8's hex fuzz to show how it sounds very different from regular fuzz:
 
 
The earlier Roland synth guitars like the G-202, G-303- G-505, and G-808 had hex fuzz built into the guitar. This then got sent over one of the lines in the 24-pin cable to the synth (GR-300, usually) where it could be mixed with the actual synth sound. Wayne Jones has some pages up about that:
 
 
A useful tool for this kind of application is the RMC fanout box:
 
 
I don't have one, but you could plug your GK-2a compatible synth pickup into it and run each string through separate distortion. I was thinking about doing this before I got the VG-8, which does a really nice job of it. On the VG-8 you also can take some or all of the separately-distorted strings and pitch shift them. I like to do this by shifting the D string up an octave while leaving the others the same (there is an mp3 of this on my page). Then when you play drop-2 chords on the top four strings, it comes out sounding like 1930s-style close position big band chords being played by Queen.

--
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
------=_Part_9588_33259163.1200271907827-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:52:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565E93BF23; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sdog67xtBN7ai/B2XlZVC+pCgUCykOc93lxpGvaMxw3m4oeZVxq+QqlYa5gXv497; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4648120.1200271921590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:52:01 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd488be514a200292d6a70b320b58f1625333ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) this idea been done way back in the nineties-jimmy page et al. http://transperformance.com/test/f_jim.html -----Original Message----- >From: Paul Richards >Sent: Jan 13, 2008 7:36 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! > >(the idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter >of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because > they have too much money. ) > > There are SO many guitar-oriented products out now. Many seem appealing. Many seem absurd. I'm a sucker for many of them (i.e. Big Bends Nut Sauce, Ernie Ball "Guitar Wipes"). > > I was thinking of developing a product like the "Little Fretty" except it would attach to ones automobile steering wheel so one could limber up while in traffic. :) > > Paul > >Bob Weigel wrote: > Hehe...I mean in terms of the 'nobody you would want to listen to'.. >possibly. .We were talking about Phil Keaggy before and one of the >things that I really enjoy is the way he so smoothly pulls tuning >changes in the midst of a performance. The whole organic aspect of a >man interacting with his instrument proficiently just makes the >performance more enjoyable to me. > >But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button >while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for >instance. And I'm sure ruin the company or not..they'll make a bunch of >money on the idea :-). I personally don't have plans to get one but the >idea had some to me some years back and I figured it was just a matter >of time since a lot of people will pay just for convenience because they >have too much money. And others will see some performance advantage to >it.. -Bob > >Chris Sewell wrote: > >> Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who >> can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I >> don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, >> What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every >> other Hex pickup. >> Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. >> On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> */ http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot /* >>> >>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >>> Search. >>> >> >> > > > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 00:57:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0761E3BF14; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478AB3F5.2000107@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:59:33 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me > for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've > finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar: > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get > the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server > breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone > wonders what that thing sounds like. Interesting. I've pondered about such a thing myself, but it'll be way into my future. those paper things with official stamps on them.. Couldn't play the mp3 from my Linux box; my Mac is.. not up ATM. Later.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 01:06:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACBF43BF16; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 602 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:06:52 UTC Message-ID: <1151832149.1200272205630.JavaMail.root@sfapp215> From: Per Boysen To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hey ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:56:45 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:06:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.hi5.com/register/x2lNp?inviteId=A_ae4647c_n9R414Oskwl182740092 Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 01:10:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2913BF2C; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=C7Hom2HzAEl+aC7OBsxktyiVKAMqj3uuI0vFJIBndLk=; b=S2khvKR0StzV0jKzg8MiPB3iicQwDnCIsF/yOwT/lDe8uNzLhNqijJqTt8t82U91TuuPqc5dQtySLAPJ9KkwkslKwWC4BUj893EnO6yxScN1DYigUzrtU3Un1uYfPek1eAB1W/TcDMGDJCoNxXwuHlLYk3q8hbFWlOCwLgRysog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SiMwLIKRo4n4tABwn2d1NtOqfqjQDni15ORQMvdi9FykWcqc6imjvSztwghWohyykxzUN58mrxnVZQgyLzMZ1kHhK0EX6Q/5za6TOA8HEXC9v6F/29xPPukMDmFmz/cgBV4V8O/h0tReEXW+1GwQAa20YPPghF/lvgm9ljbC2tc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:10:27 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section In-Reply-To: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9623_30535122.1200273027052" References: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4p__V.A.kqG.EariHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:10:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9623_30535122.1200273027052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Definitely harder with a drum machine than with a human drummer who can (as long as he is willing) follow your looped track. I use drum loops (very much like a drum machine) to play live. The way I do it is to record the drum sound INTO the main looping unit mixed with my bass and/or guitar sound. Then I hit the Play or NextLoop pedal on the Echoplex at the beginning of the next chorus to get the timing of the recorded loop correct. Once that's going, I shut off the original drum loop that is still playing (by hitting Stop on my RC-20). This means that there is a bar or 2 where you can hear two copies of the drum loop going (hopefully pretty well synched up), but that's not a big deal. You can hear me doing this in the "Shiny Stockings" mp3 here: http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html Getting a drum machine and a looper to synch up for a long time is not going to happen no matter HOW good your timing is, unless there is some kind of MIDI or electronic synch. -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_9623_30535122.1200273027052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Definitely harder with a drum machine than with a human drummer who can (as long as he is willing) follow your looped track.
 
I use drum loops (very much like a drum machine) to play live. The way I do it is to record the drum sound INTO the main looping unit mixed with my bass and/or guitar sound. Then I hit the Play or NextLoop pedal on the Echoplex at the beginning of the next chorus to get the timing of the recorded loop correct. Once that's going, I shut off the original drum loop that is still playing (by hitting Stop on my RC-20). This means that there is a bar or 2 where you can hear two copies of the drum loop going (hopefully pretty well synched up), but that's not a big deal. You can hear me doing this in the "Shiny Stockings" mp3 here:
 
 
Getting a drum machine and a looper to synch up for a long time is not going to happen no matter HOW good your timing is, unless there is some kind of MIDI or electronic synch.
 
------=_Part_9623_30535122.1200273027052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 01:15:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0DA73BF2D; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 436 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:15:33 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g7wUf4PuHnNrGia+KYitB/SETq2ULlD7n15M+1mR6i4=; b=rboP3Z/eHUzAcZ1QsFCGjB1cO2wx3jDABMdJD1F72g2L48oEcvIdSzg9Z75KIbowK9b9aKhwjwMzq3872cVZjootpFirgcaB6RzFhKk1UOIXMzsX8BpCpNRy7fh+UplWBXOsiMjzII+1W/mJLJeYKMR99oA4Hwe5TLTNbOYcjV0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hmvSxYjpMUxoPYHfTKydFuzTuMVELOZti5IUM+uHXQKfbRb/zMwTO7kfN5oQ9Gx55PrG2y8Jjgw4At0rcFLuHb+dOyXXQ0hlo8raQSRwlIM/goqTQ38lsZuptPa+B+UkWBMOH+lM/59+d3h6IJht+7mN9OAFeGTeAKKc3WBuipU= Message-ID: <478AB5EF.2030806@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:07:59 -0600 From: Daniel Dingeldein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon Jamman MIDI Pedals References: <845309.8123.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <845309.8123.qm@web45115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone on this list use a MIDI pedal board with a Lexicon JamMan? I just purchased a Behringer FCB1010 and am wondering about them being able to talk to each other. I am a MIDI novice so please be gentle. Thanks, Daniel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:41:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20DC3BF2B; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:41:48 -0500 References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, by midi I meant 13 pin output. On Jan 13, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Chris Sewell wrote: >> I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different >> signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have >> midi like every other Hex pickup. > No hex pickup that I ever heard of has MIDI. A hex pickup has, > well, six pickups, one per string. Additional hardware is always > required to convert these six signals into MIDI, no matter where you > locate that extra hardware. The Casio MIDI guitars just happen to > include that hardware in the guitar itself. But the hex pickup > itself is not MIDI without the help of extra electronics. > > Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was a fuzz > box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple frequency > bands, distorting each one individually, and then recombining the > outputs. This method was supposed to be an improvement over > distorting the original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, > and with a little knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I > would love to hear a guitar played through its hex pickup where each > string's output goes to its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the > ultimate control freak, six multieffect processors! I'm sure > someone may have done this already but I'd sure love to hear the > results. > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E493BF35; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6FD73041-B37C-46CE-8EF4-26136419AF2F@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131534i5c23e383k145ede987dccaeea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:42:56 -0500 References: <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> <000501c8563b$d49fc9c0$1001a8c0@succubus> <66f9cc1e0801131534i5c23e383k145ede987dccaeea@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:42:59 +0000 (UTC) CPU strain maybe. On Jan 13, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was >>> a fuzz box but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple >>> frequency bands, distorting each one individually, and then >>> recombining the outputs. >> > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:27 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: >> This is what a lot of Eventide boxes, e.g. the Eclipse, do. > > I'm using some software plug-ins that does this too. I'm noticing that > all my plug-ins break down the signal to four separate frequency bands > before applying further band specific processing. Is there any special > reason to use exactly four bands? > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:45:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38E63BF21; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <757847.99353.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-780734353 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:45:49 -0500 References: <757847.99353.qm@web35104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:45:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-780734353 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, It just seems Gibson is a little behind the times here. They used to have stereo ES 355's. I'm unaware of any impact the "stereo" outputs made on Guitar music. The Roland VG seems to have all these bases covered plus a million more for a grand less. On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Yeah, but look at the cool colored lights on the knobs! > > General tuning might be a stretch. I wouldn't mind the alternate > tunings. But at over $2K... > > Chris Sewell wrote: > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless innovation. Who > can't tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I > don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different > signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi > like every other Hex pickup. > Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. > On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > >> >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/Gibson-robot >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. --Apple-Mail-1-780734353 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, It just seems Gibson is a = little behind the times here. They used to have stereo ES 355's. I'm = unaware of any impact the "stereo" outputs made on Guitar music. The = Roland VG seems to have all these bases covered plus a million more for = a grand less. 
On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Paul = Richards wrote:

Yeah, but look at the cool colored lights on the = knobs!
 
General tuning might be a stretch. = I wouldn't mind the alternate tunings. But at over = $2K...

Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> = wrote:
Leave it to Gibson to = waste their time on useless innovation. Who can't tune a guitar? = Certainly nobody you would want to listen to. I don't get the Digital = one either. So it sends out 6 different signals, What are you supposed = to do with that? It doesn't have midi like every other Hex pickup.  =
Henry whats-his-face is ruining that company. 
=
On Jan 12, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Paul Richards wrote:



 http://www.musiciansf= riend.com/Gibson-robot 

Looking for = last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! = Search.



Be a better = friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it = now.

= --Apple-Mail-1-780734353-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:56:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417EC3BF2B; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-781384712 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:56:40 -0500 References: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:56:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-781384712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've imported percussion loops into the RC 50 for the drummer to play to. Much more musical then a click, although some drummers will prefer that. You can send the click to headphones with the RC 50. With the RC 20, you are out of luck. On Jan 13, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Mark Smart wrote: > Definitely harder with a drum machine than with a human drummer who > can (as long as he is willing) follow your looped track. > > I use drum loops (very much like a drum machine) to play live. The > way I do it is to record the drum sound INTO the main looping unit > mixed with my bass and/or guitar sound. Then I hit the Play or > NextLoop pedal on the Echoplex at the beginning of the next chorus > to get the timing of the recorded loop correct. Once that's going, I > shut off the original drum loop that is still playing (by hitting > Stop on my RC-20). This means that there is a bar or 2 where you can > hear two copies of the drum loop going (hopefully pretty well > synched up), but that's not a big deal. You can hear me doing this > in the "Shiny Stockings" mp3 here: > > http://www.marksmart.net/bands/jazzlooping/jazzlooping.html > > Getting a drum machine and a looper to synch up for a long time is > not going to happen no matter HOW good your timing is, unless there > is some kind of MIDI or electronic synch. > > -- > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net --Apple-Mail-2-781384712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've imported percussion loops = into the RC 50 for the drummer to play to. Much more musical then a = click, although some drummers will prefer that. You can send the click = to headphones with the RC 50. With the RC 20, you are out of = luck. 
On Jan 13, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Mark Smart = wrote:

Definitely harder with a drum machine than with a = human drummer who can (as long as he is willing) follow your looped = track.
 
I use drum loops (very much like a = drum machine) to play live. The way I do it is to record the = drum sound INTO the main looping unit mixed with my bass = and/or guitar sound. Then I hit the Play or NextLoop pedal on the = Echoplex at the beginning of the next chorus to get the timing of the = recorded loop correct. Once that's going, I shut off the original drum = loop that is still playing (by hitting Stop on my RC-20). This means = that there is a bar or 2 where you can hear two copies of the drum loop = going (hopefully pretty well synched up), but that's not a big = deal. You can hear me doing this in the "Shiny Stockings" mp3 here: =
 
=
 
Getting a drum machine and a looper to synch up = for a long time is not going to happen no matter HOW good your = timing is, unless there is some kind of MIDI or electronic synch.
=
 
--
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net =

= --Apple-Mail-2-781384712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:57:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51BC73BF3F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003001c85659$40e819d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: My master luthier instructor/Zen disciplinarian teacher and friend of the Universe William Eaton and one of his Youtube vids! Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:57:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_tomZD.A.H3B.x-siHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: "But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a button while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for instance" This is exactly what is exciting about this invention. In that sense, it allows one (as with something like an Echoplex) to make music that has never been made before. Touring briefly with Michael Manring, it was wonderful to see the new music for bass that he is creating by using hipshot D-tuners on all four strings of his Zon Hyperbass. (I think he also has some kind of customized mechanical retuning bridge as well, but I'm not sure how he uses it-----anyone want to chime in here?) He will play beautiful ringing harmonic passages and then flip a D-tuner on one or more strings and the Harmonics will gliss down to their new tuning , as they are ringing out. It's an ethereal and beautiful effect. He makes music I've never heard from any other bassist that I've heard live or on record. One could be cyncial as say , well, it's just a gimmick or a trick, but then again, so is a hammer on, or a harmonic or flamenco flail, or, or, or........ I have a really beautiful capo called a 'Rolling Capo' that you can barr chord retune in the middle of a passage, which is really cool as well. One beautiful thing about this (and I am a very primitive string player so I'm no expert) is that the harmonics change on the instrument as you change the tuning. If you are playing against a loop in the initial tuning of the instrument, this allows for all kinds of reharmonizations that you never hear on a straigth single tuned string instrument. The same thing can be approximated using false harmonics but the harmonics on an open tuned instrument just resonate wonderfully and sound better imho. I also found this interesting capo called a 'Third Hand Capo' that allows you to fret (or not fret) anyone one of your six strings, throwing the instrument into a new open tuning. I've been experimenting with using the rolling capo to capo up the guitar and then changing the tuning above the capo with the 'Third Hand Capo". Anyone know of any partial Capos that are out there? Are there dulcimer Capos, perchance? I'm able to use capos on my two strumsticks (which are like walking dulcimers to produce really beautiful harmonic results (frequently modal ones, just becuase I love the sound of modal harmony and it's easy to play..............lol). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 02:59:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6333BF46; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8A1DBBDE-A43C-45E9-A77E-812D9BBAD1C1@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Winter Namm Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:59:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Any predictions or inside info regarding new stuff being released this weekend? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E853BF49; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <18FF3785-47C9-40F2-A244-E7E09B948557@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c85659$40e819d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT: My master luthier instructor/Zen disciplinarian teacher and friend of the Universe William Eaton and one of his Youtube vids! X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:03:04 -0500 References: <003001c85659$40e819d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:03:09 +0000 (UTC) I can do this with my Variax. Plus switch to Resonater or 12 string or a strat. Also the VG can do it very well. The dowside of the Gibson, is well, it's a gibson. When I was selling guitars, our shop would send back 40% of the Gibson Instruments. When there good, there great. But if you have a problem, there customer service is a nightmare. On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Bob Weigel wrote: > "But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a > button > while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for > instance" > > This is exactly what is exciting about this invention. In that > sense, it allows > one (as with something like an Echoplex) to make music that has > never been made before. > > Touring briefly with Michael Manring, it was wonderful to see the > new music for bass > that he is creating by using hipshot D-tuners on all four strings of > his Zon Hyperbass. > (I think he also has some kind of customized mechanical retuning > bridge as well, > but I'm not sure how he uses it-----anyone want to chime in here?) > > He will play beautiful ringing harmonic passages and then flip a D- > tuner on one or more > strings and the Harmonics will gliss down to their new tuning , as > they are ringing out. > > It's an ethereal and beautiful effect. > > He makes music I've never heard from any other bassist that I've > heard live or on record. > One could be cyncial as say , well, it's just a gimmick or a trick, > but then again, > so is a hammer on, or a harmonic or flamenco flail, or, or, > or........ > > I have a really beautiful capo called a 'Rolling Capo' that you can > barr chord > retune in the middle of a passage, which is really cool as well. > > One beautiful thing about this (and I am a very primitive string > player so I'm no expert) > is that the harmonics change on the instrument as you change the > tuning. > > If you are playing against a loop in the initial tuning of the > instrument, this allows for > all kinds of reharmonizations that you never hear on a straigth > single tuned string instrument. > > The same thing can be approximated using false harmonics but the > harmonics on an open tuned > instrument just resonate wonderfully and sound better imho. > > I also found this interesting capo called a 'Third Hand Capo' that > allows you to fret (or not fret) > anyone one of your six strings, throwing the instrument into a new > open tuning. > > I've been experimenting with using the rolling capo to capo up the > guitar and then changing the > tuning above the capo with the 'Third Hand Capo". > > Anyone know of any partial Capos that are out there? > > Are there dulcimer Capos, perchance? I'm able to use capos on my > two strumsticks (which are like > walking dulcimers to produce really beautiful harmonic results > (frequently modal ones, just becuase > I love the sound of modal harmony and it's easy to > play..............lol). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:22:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3463E3BF47; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ReratD6ZJqKXyHUiarNVik6Dg8wbaFxuiSxGS9VZY/tnCJ5v7hGkyZMYRKmHlU6DmD7eAkK+SliUKnld9uszWUH7LEeO3Em8pP541UKEZzjBQXTp1Ifuiv0d/ZbUAef93ZQ/DzYybyvUbnhayXnMY0dFLwTVWCBDsNQZimpjTN8=; X-YMail-OSG: 1odAjjkVM1kzR.sOFikG3zIkVwD_xHosZdxkjch7f0VGqm3xA82i5D4kmZNKKUrf1ANZTFwWD9pQ61qaW1w.gHqiXhMqQByIXJq4eS3p4RxuNVFeElrxL8qvBZpo.Q-- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Winter Namm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8A1DBBDE-A43C-45E9-A77E-812D9BBAD1C1@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <402778.88212.qm@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah My good friend and teacher Jeff Scheetz www.jeffscheetzband.com will be there jammin out endorsement Representation for Fender/Yamaha/Ernie ball and Hughes and Kettner as well as his own original designed Power Amp extraordinaire!!! I several other true good jammin friends wandering around over there stirring up musical dissonance as well :D --- Chris Sewell wrote: > Any predictions or inside info regarding new stuff being released this > weekend? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:32:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E92F3BF4D; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a901c8565e$10749710$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <1151832149.1200272205630.JavaMail.root@sfapp215> Subject: Re: Hey ;) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:32:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <3qINHB.A.qoC.DftiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Man, I don't know how we can all maintain this madness...myspace, facebook, tribes, etc, etc. I think we spend 90% of our time creating these pages and maintaining them, and about 10% of our time actually exchanging useful info. Oh well...I signed up for this one too... Kris ----- Original Message ----- > > > > http://www.hi5.com/register/x2lNp?inviteId=A_ae4647c_n9R414Oskwl182740092 > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 03:48:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDAF53BF3F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RhrGGdfl2CINcIpkhrJJFwmO0kNplC9uaBUT43LpLKbIKkwgQ1cFok0fjdRkVpsEkDfgf8zcvNC5NIwpNArp8LH4Tp4ZZUeEwaZUqsvW18kbr9ceUE0jCIxfk6FR4TzM82O6K24lepX9luu6EEGcm08hmkpi8znQ8ZMBhUdba1U=; X-YMail-OSG: 2FWb4rgVM1kaNTp6g3RQOg5CdHE13nkPTx5VQAMFAKkeAxlFydM551NNe.zPgqIS0R2.fYdaBQAI7xe31GTwRfEjvqttcjBvYRnNBEPTDEYhKDT2fss- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Michael Manring and Andy Mckee and lots more lightly touched upon FYI as needed or not? Peace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <18FF3785-47C9-40F2-A244-E7E09B948557@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <813351.98404.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Wow Bob!!! Thats great that you have had such wonderful opportunities too congrats on those blessings. Michael has played with my good friend Andy Mckee several times as well. They are all on my myspace friends lists if you want to network additionally if you have not already? I played at around 2 am at Winfield Kansas with Andy, jammin on While My Guitar Gently Weeps, thanks to the kindness of now IFC (International Fingerstyle Champion) Don Alder letting me borrow one of his brand new custom guitars! I am internationally certified through Roberto Venn School of Luthiery to professionally repair anything made of wood and glue and everything above and below those elements. This includes the written signatures of William Eaton, John Reuter, Joe Vallee, Robert "Mud" Mazzulo, Frank Ford, Rick Turner "Alembic" and Jack Schwartz Fender/Jacksons best technicians. Im also trained by some of Paul Reed Smiths finest and many others who did workshops with additional continuing education seminars. Im currently working on sevral new design prototypes inbetween repairs and writing new material for websites and professionals as needed studio work. I also do part time land surveying, and work for the mental health agency. It may sound like I have a lot of work but its just not enough and I have continued to do occasional live spontaneous radio compositions for advertising and even live TV appearances but just barely making it with house payments. But I celebrate being able to live with less I will adapt and overcome regardless I am thankful for what I have (exceptionally wonderful friends in the Universe) I am thankful also to what I have been able to accomplish in my life so far and look forward to what the Universe still has to offer us! Much more good things to come in Eagle Dawn as well :o) All the best, Daniel T. Albertini "Lightsight" www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn I invite you to my facebook world too as well! Have a Happy loopin life..... --- Chris Sewell wrote: > I can do this with my Variax. Plus switch to Resonater or 12 string or > a strat. Also the VG can do it very well. > The dowside of the Gibson, is well, it's a gibson. When I was selling > guitars, our shop would send back 40% of the Gibson Instruments. When > there good, there great. But if you have a problem, there customer > service is a nightmare. > On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > Bob Weigel wrote: > > "But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a > > button > > while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for > > instance" > > > > This is exactly what is exciting about this invention. In that > > sense, it allows > > one (as with something like an Echoplex) to make music that has > > never been made before. > > > > Touring briefly with Michael Manring, it was wonderful to see the > > new music for bass > > that he is creating by using hipshot D-tuners on all four strings of > > his Zon Hyperbass. > > (I think he also has some kind of customized mechanical retuning > > bridge as well, > > but I'm not sure how he uses it-----anyone want to chime in here?) > > > > He will play beautiful ringing harmonic passages and then flip a D- > > tuner on one or more > > strings and the Harmonics will gliss down to their new tuning , as > > they are ringing out. > > > > It's an ethereal and beautiful effect. > > > > He makes music I've never heard from any other bassist that I've > > heard live or on record. > > One could be cyncial as say , well, it's just a gimmick or a trick, > > but then again, > > so is a hammer on, or a harmonic or flamenco flail, or, or, > > or........ > > > > I have a really beautiful capo called a 'Rolling Capo' that you can > > barr chord > > retune in the middle of a passage, which is really cool as well. > > > > One beautiful thing about this (and I am a very primitive string > > player so I'm no expert) > > is that the harmonics change on the instrument as you change the > > tuning. > > > > If you are playing against a loop in the initial tuning of the > > instrument, this allows for > > all kinds of reharmonizations that you never hear on a straigth > > single tuned string instrument. > > > > The same thing can be approximated using false harmonics but the > > harmonics on an open tuned > > instrument just resonate wonderfully and sound better imho. > > > > I also found this interesting capo called a 'Third Hand Capo' that > > allows you to fret (or not fret) > > anyone one of your six strings, throwing the instrument into a new > > open tuning. > > > > I've been experimenting with using the rolling capo to capo up the > > guitar and then changing the > > tuning above the capo with the 'Third Hand Capo". > > > > Anyone know of any partial Capos that are out there? > > > > Are there dulcimer Capos, perchance? I'm able to use capos on my > > two strumsticks (which are like > > walking dulcimers to produce really beautiful harmonic results > > (frequently modal ones, just becuase > > I love the sound of modal harmony and it's easy to > > play..............lol). > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 06:05:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4013BF38; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jVRk1P/Dk+lrQhgMjUvQLHPNChuBO7CHMNmdmHY8zGI=; b=f/k8+/wocqJMSie46uP4CA2Y1qZrrVHqrQNW7mcterpTD0SzvVbsTLET7Y0w8yXu2iVAdgm6TrrfVQ34lRioJNHQwHite3kVTjQMwxDvAd/kSzhbBJAI6k2AOAANd083pGJR+KFvEkowA/3AWCpxVBqK3md2JDE77OhuF+fR5MI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e2jZHgE0pDwioWyqzmDkdU2GBw/YCNgJQQjgHcZqOiVCubdNHtv0FgmkETgQrm9nGZPd763ksv71zSXGhB9aSxSdglgRwxHx4Ro2/nL32sf98Pv54/IJ3gT/jx3lE++N08AF6sTDHJkJb4HMobZrrZZePunHBcp+xuoPi7htQ0g= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:57:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: My master luthier instructor/Zen disciplinarian teacher and friend of the Universe William Eaton and one of his Youtube vids! In-Reply-To: <18FF3785-47C9-40F2-A244-E7E09B948557@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003001c85659$40e819d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <18FF3785-47C9-40F2-A244-E7E09B948557@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:05:17 +0000 (UTC) My understanding is that it takes about ten seconds to retune--you active the tuning mode, strum the strings so the pickup can figure out what pitch they're currently tuned to, and then the servomotors kick in. So, no mid-song retuning unless you can sit out for four bars or so. TH On Jan 13, 2008 7:03 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > Bob Weigel wrote: > > "But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a > > button > > while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for > > instance" > > > > This is exactly what is exciting about this invention. In that > > sense, it allows > > one (as with something like an Echoplex) to make music that has > > never been made before. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:12:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7F23BF13; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478B198B.6070605@imt.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:12:59 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: My master luthier instructor/Zen disciplinarian teacher and friend of the Universe William Eaton and one of his Youtube vids! References: <003001c85659$40e819d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <18FF3785-47C9-40F2-A244-E7E09B948557@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Hehe..yeah I didn't mean 'playing the thing' as in holding strings and strumming them :-). Just meant while you're on stage between sections or songs or whatever you can ...hit a button and turn your attention to other things whether it be talking to the audience between the song or whatever. -Bob Travis Hartnett wrote: >My understanding is that it takes about ten seconds to retune--you >active the tuning mode, strum the strings so the pickup can figure out >what pitch they're currently tuned to, and then the servomotors kick >in. So, no mid-song retuning unless you can sit out for four bars or >so. > >TH > >On Jan 13, 2008 7:03 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > >>On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:57 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bob Weigel wrote: >>>"But I think the whole idea is...with the Robo you can just hit a >>>button >>>while you are playing the thing and have it go drop D tuning for >>>instance" >>> >>>This is exactly what is exciting about this invention. In that >>>sense, it allows >>>one (as with something like an Echoplex) to make music that has >>>never been made before. >>> >>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EE2A3BF19; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <478B1AD1.8020906@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:18:25 +0100 From: Claude Voit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} References: <481469.47395.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <481469.47395.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:18:31 +0000 (UTC) http://rolfspuler.com/ polyphonic firewire guitar direct to the computer and your beloved plug ins another genius colaboration of our edp inventor Matthias Grob Claude Paul Richards a écrit : > I think the Guitar Amp capo has merit (a la Spinal Tap). > > Bill Fox wrote: Chris Sewell wrote: >> I don't get the Digital one either. So it sends out 6 different >> signals, What are you supposed to do with that? It doesn't have midi >> like every other Hex pickup. > No hex pickup that I ever heard of has MIDI. A hex pickup has, well, > six pickups, one per string. Additional hardware is always required to > convert these six signals into MIDI, no matter where you locate that > extra hardware. The Casio MIDI guitars just happen to include that > hardware in the guitar itself. But the hex pickup itself is not MIDI > without the help of extra electronics. > > Side note: IIRC, there was a Craig Anderton project that was a fuzz box > but did it by breaking the bandwidth into multiple frequency bands, > distorting each one individually, and then recombining the outputs. > This method was supposed to be an improvement over distorting the > original, full bandwidth signal. With that in mind, and with a little > knowledge about intermodulation distortion, I would love to hear a > guitar played through its hex pickup where each string's output goes to > its own guitar amp. Six amps and, for the ultimate control freak, six > multieffect processors! I'm sure someone may have done this already but > I'd sure love to hear the results. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:30:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 515E83BF0A; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49017721-0556-45BA-99B0-1BAAEA1C0A2E@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:31:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:30:35 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 11, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary > FX over > time to a loop that is playing ? My EDPs generally get sent through a Korg AM8000R (via an effects send on the mixer) to get some stereo burbling stuff going along with the loops. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:52:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897373BF14; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uS9Yvd5pmAwJqD5yxK9zmMFMDLBrKRUz3qTVP0qQEpQ=; b=rHZt8ek/lpV7KnB2v4sCFUiQmT95Fj9OD+xQ8C7nZSUAOx/cZnDQJmZeyBXxhqk7Fr7fma2T76GI4sEaewpbgS1EES7vwg2xkRnyUYYXqyaIy7caPqrmmR7REZpSstZqSzZE/nwecsB1yqwP7DM/MdAKmxPKEihyJVZC0FNqqMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r72BMbGfgmxeQ72UmRktQNw/q7Qo+TUmT5wb3BnaodKrLonZn7VliQwueXT0elukLJAnbRBSX15OQH7naKRJ9964zZ3OGe+jwJbrDNaM/FebJdnTK5ffQjYh2pZISJiR+98FbU9v4EdJFpCfMo1AKgoGpWTx0XueC+0KYrMC6HU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801140052w31c9ca0at12e58544a16a015@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:52:20 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey ;) In-Reply-To: <03a901c8565e$10749710$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1151832149.1200272205630.JavaMail.root@sfapp215> <03a901c8565e$10749710$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris, Hi5 was a mistake. Sorry. I was just checking it out and had no idea it would SPAM my entire address book! I don't use the web browser based socializing system much at all. FaceBook got way too packed so I just never open my page these days. I stick to plain email and old-school chat applications where I disable contacts from people outside my buddy list. That's the only way you can have time for work and people you care for. Per On Jan 14, 2008 4:32 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Man, I don't know how we can all maintain this madness...myspace, facebook, > tribes, etc, etc. I think we spend 90% of our time creating these pages and > maintaining them, and about 10% of our time actually exchanging useful info. > > Oh well...I signed up for this one too... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > http://www.hi5.com/register/x2lNp?inviteId=A_ae4647c_n9R414Oskwl182740092 > > > > Per > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 08:59:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 959563BF13; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Y0zTFx91F1HT3g5x30S2GMz/JK0BrCzuUQesHBqPB34=; b=vcgD/I0BNzanl7r98enpJWGGjy5QucQZMaKFtFOYFWYKfCIhqe/UiIf8n63U2s/qrnNi5Umn7lHN6txL9PKk6/7tNAIn/bQkHslmURnOAjTI2Fo7+GQGYvT/n/JXtVykC/iWwKHm+JPvl2bjek5UKkSJAQ8/YiYnw5q6ABVJbMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=C/A3gXYsRmGxOF4djaOmCtppmABFBpyjp76fhlXOcWPD/OdwikxueP6FxImO20g4reHGDCUoHyxKNCC38aZTqoUeOGLw48x2BjNdpxbfVrjeeUYVtUYccxnQK3334n0l/mrIxXcCCKX+4DCHHer+yTlnCkIEOmoncPpJM3H2/3k= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801140059k49f0958i29c5dae6bbc987e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:59:14 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi5 Spam - apologizes (was: Re: Hey ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Dear list friends, It appears I have sent a friend request for Hi5 to the list. I did certainly not intend to, and I apologize for Hi5 spamming my entire address book. I was just checking out that service, for research reasons, when there was a button named something like "check out how many of your friends are already on Hi5". It reported five people from my address book was on Hi5... while in the background spamming everyone. 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Thanks for your time and understanding, Rev Edward smith General Consultant SPARTA LOAN FIRM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 09:30:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB953BF29; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qKR66aCi6Oau3Y12n/gMNOGhqpEq0H1+Pwu2vYnK2k8=; b=PMOOKRSX4gIu2GGpSbH5nM8QyyZ7/OxsvbFtTOLB7+6gv/ZrQ5KLBjTvnD3Zxa9I5vUbdjM8kTL3PMVaVAnv3F47+yAd+3zqQqu1K4LYXTWmG6+NXE7thUEz2OnHalsiHWZZVAJUcYJCYxaRxNgE4mBaNESMwjwTxRBrqqekY7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z09Z9GpP0XYFrN3wJ84wipBqItqlSVG2Fz7kTD8VfBqFYSO4Yi+Wh8DIALl46qp8MlQmvBMzilsPyJK02cSrTSQlxYbWIXzjL0bp4QOwtuSeq6n9dnVQTK4FcWf+9Gb1t4Feit4GdYxEOsgWKIFkxDFSA07BL/X0x1c7AM6um+M= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801140130w23ae540dtac03f36e948b39f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:30:29 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <49017721-0556-45BA-99B0-1BAAEA1C0A2E@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> <49017721-0556-45BA-99B0-1BAAEA1C0A2E@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0GsG3C.A.hiF.1uyiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:30:30 +0000 (UTC) > On Jan 11, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > > > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary > > FX over > > time to a loop that is playing ? I've done that in the past. Not "after" though but rather on effect send routings on the mixer channel where the loop output passes through. I still sometimes applies a little effect to full live looping tracks after having recorded them, but for live performance use I have completely left that concept now. I add nothing after the loops, except for a soft stereo compression of the summed signal that goes out to the house PA. The reason for this is that I'm hoping to do more interesting concerts this way, because I create variation by playing new audio into the loops and it usually looks more interesting to see a guy making noise with an instrument then bending over a laptop. For loops that is not in focus - as for a backing percussion loop - I make sure I create them varied enough form the start. It's just a couple of seconds doing that; play something and create a two bar loop, push a button to multiply it by three and punch in one slight variation for one bar. This will make your variation appear every sixth bar and that's perfect for a backing track while you're working on a lead theme loop. I'm finding it optimal, performance-wise, to have two loops playing at the same time. You will have time to play live on top of them and at the same time create variation by overdubbing, substituting etc. That would not be possible with more parallel loops or if you should also have to care for post loop effects. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 09:32:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A418C3BF2F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIZ28DLk From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Hi5 Spam - apologizes (was: Re: Hey ;) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:33:09 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001e01c85690$79b1e480$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140059k49f0958i29c5dae6bbc987e7@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AchWi72DZFoEE7uLQAKUyTXozxyxMwABK+hw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <4BeeI.A.DoF.wwyiHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:32:32 +0000 (UTC) > background spamming everyone. I would never send a post to a > list, or to everyone, with such a stupid subject line as "Hey ;-)" Perhaps you should start working for RHCP :-P From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 11:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF1C3BF29; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 714797396 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: torn shows Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:08:09 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206CC5BC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <6FD73041-B37C-46CE-8EF4-26136419AF2F@mac.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: torn shows Thread-Index: AchWnb7YmOZ7FZQIQW+PS2+2vt6zxA== References: <6FD73041-B37C-46CE-8EF4-26136419AF2F@mac.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2008 11:08:10.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF7ACF10:01C8569D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:08:13 +0000 (UTC) a bit surprised there was no heads-up on the list about this, but DT is in the UK at the moment. he played last night & will again tonight in london, then I think he's up north tomorrow..... I only found out because my ever-so-impressive new g/f had a flyer for the venue & was dropping hints about checking it out.=20 the outfit is called "prezens" or something, & appears to be DT, tim berne & the usual suspects. anyone seen this already? http://www.vortexjazz.co.uk/vortex-gig-reviews.html duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 11:41:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7AE03BF29; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 422 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:41:22 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2Bi4wOUqaSGqd8D3a9/XQLEi9IKIRgQNvUiED/dAwpA=; b=F8KssKEPWxKiFirC0x5Jxkw2kV4b32Vdac3V5KakC5aOev/S9w6ZpC9LgO5Cacp+kHza2eD/xpnj7o5uecUazTt3I9mYDECwTfUBO6FmLowxKhhP9FVvw9sWGmY3bJ3sJnoBuTiFBk2RA2YWqdoAv4q38fhvO4nZs9qXloEzHOI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JCvncccFSqdNgHlkdgEXhAnQoly9te83+CIV7kBIcU9cQcb6KlgwV7klyFCREyacjV1L24Ivbes4pdoM1Ewzq0QntROApUSRQlYbegNHdiWtIOlZqioV02wdLlVGhyWo2L9k7W3/vTIMKqN+a1cHPmzctzYLUnHaw1Cf+11157s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:34:17 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8823_25548073.1200310457863" References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:41:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8823_25548073.1200310457863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline LOL ...this Saturday, I spent the morning and early afternoon meeting with a luthier to start work on mine! I had removed the frets last year from my Fender Squier but had been unable to attend to the finishing of it. Right now, he is looking into installing a non-wood fingerboard, a brass nut, and permanently installing a GK-3 MIDI pickup. The stereo outs and Fernandez Sustainer install will come later. Looks like there continues to be a lot of interest in this approach to playing! Dennis On Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me > for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've > finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar: > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get > the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server > breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone > wonders what that thing sounds like. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_8823_25548073.1200310457863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline LOL ...this Saturday, I spent the morning and early afternoon meeting with a luthier to start work on mine! I had removed the frets last year from my Fender Squier but had been unable to attend to the finishing of it. Right now, he is looking into installing a non-wood fingerboard, a brass nut, and permanently installing a GK-3 MIDI pickup. The stereo outs and Fernandez Sustainer install will come later.

Looks like there continues to be a lot of interest in this approach to playing!

Dennis

On Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com > wrote:
A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me
for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've
finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar:
http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get
the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server
breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone
wonders what that thing sounds like.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_8823_25548073.1200310457863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 11:58:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B673BEE7; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0Z4UdDeWM+v1nE3cXKbBB0ZV/cQ9R8OIeZUY8/HwiUo=; b=JKo5P5L4ZMI4vCHGyyfxR4r7BIi/h5WED+CLKZCHR6Cdx+yYyRKkltxeEV+YoMCTyBMz/OKkDOHM8xb160qwwTxDgW+QHAaOhcgShXUTYVsX0GotAjeM8KtZPQl0aPtB2RRXFnoGvfxEgG/NJYIPp8f/iP/rvhbqMnwWtkbNvJM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b4NyWbeO6k76/seasOWhD+LCHr+ilSuz91B5W2WVxo6AKPsHbJ5f4p0SovKyx8ckd0rFn1NuW9hs2jPplMQpqsW3paO0mx/2PECXiVQDKIaQTwT96oBGqBEziPojSlSJaLf1SNFVokk1QAqJR0pq7fvv9QXk1O/vr9/BIQHN8Nw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:58:29 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Wow - interesting, Dennis! What material are you looking into as "non-wood"? I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. Myself I tried out the Fernandez but decided to use the electro-acoustic Sustaniac C instead. Sure, it's more easy with the thing always built into the guitar, but I kind of like how the mechanically vibrating clamper feels when playing the instrument. And you can use it with other guitars as well. What's your plan with a MIDI pickup on fretless? How will you handle glissandi? Per On Jan 14, 2008 12:34 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > LOL ...this Saturday, I spent the morning and early afternoon meeting with a > luthier to start work on mine! I had removed the frets last year from my > Fender Squier but had been unable to attend to the finishing of it. Right > now, he is looking into installing a non-wood fingerboard, a brass nut, and > permanently installing a GK-3 MIDI pickup. The stereo outs and Fernandez > Sustainer install will come later. > > Looks like there continues to be a lot of interest in this approach to > playing! > > Dennis > > On Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me > > for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've > > finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get > > the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server > > breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone > > wonders what that thing sounds like. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 12:00:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 678DA3BEFB; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QMXWClRWF7G11x9sG4zm5BVaZPV8Xb4kFKiCgyyf+3I=; b=By3xL/eOdde23/S3iVli3HUWaruzWr87cjv2/YaKVv8+Tp1ZG8EOtgHQwM81LNQ42i2O0pJd+1Oqf5MN4jFW9d+TF9T8y2H4PfyEhBRFAa3BemD1IYhfkumav8Km1qyZC9cEHlTK1xbs3jVg9ci9RhBRSp6wfkSoigxIioctH9w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wsI4Zz4FM8DsQprKY9ckTj3M5nDAKLDZUmS11Bizjk+yh98UdLgMkvEhKEsSActpASj8iyAv09FIyPmqdHEimlnrOPRtrbTHX1BkGG2MfrqpHLPFC8drz1pqXow2vFMRmVZ4JPi40vUqkGUcY/AbV0+CykIxUDg2Sa8oYRUKX/s= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:00:40 +0200 From: "Panagiotis Melidis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Granulator "stompbox"??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5746_18788491.1200312040894" References: Resent-Message-ID: <-LNkWD.A.Xw.p70iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:00:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5746_18788491.1200312040894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Good Morning! Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon such a hardware effect? I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is a part of a multi effect It would have made my life a lot easier Thanks a lot in advance Panagiotis Melidis http://myspace.com/larrygus ------=_Part_5746_18788491.1200312040894 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Good Morning!

Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon such a hardware effect?

I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is a part of a multi effect

It would have made my life a lot easier

Thanks a lot in advance

Panagiotis Melidis

http://myspace.com/larrygus
------=_Part_5746_18788491.1200312040894-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 13:47:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6956A3BEF6; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:47:36 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131457m2317e7c6r6e7df3a0b4d9f9b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080114134736.311570@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <609611.12730.qm@web53412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0801131457m2317e7c6r6e7df3a0b4d9f9b2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Tapping -- What are the tricks to staying synched to your rhythm section To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18GEZ4dN8oGYYJ5eClUr7+EiMI3nTrOFThiBw+xzW zkTjjGzcDwRYW61WrOGe6nUGpIRvEcxPIbpg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: txLqI9wYa0A7SMh0jjAzQHk/Njh6dM4G Resent-Message-ID: <6xKcTC.A.8ND._f2iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:47:43 +0000 (UTC) I had the same question a couple months ago. > Another technique that many use is to set up a foot pedal to instantly > retrigger the playing loop, like a stutter. Then you can adjust its > start point while playing with the band. Basically, when I need to follow a band, I've now settled with this approach. I simply retrigger the loop on every round. This way, I don't have to worry much. It fits in most of the time, even if the band goes to some quite drastic tempo changes. (for the RC-50 users: works only in SINGLE mode). Best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 13:58:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623AE3BEF0; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zqDa55WNJtgqrgczNn8BVx3slu0kPKke1fR/8gZTXi4HECDU4iCya9IALLpyZZptWUbGqG1vQd9dnXQRb3KxiC2HFIaUJa1MX3kcrOlMToT45ibzKbXB5AWnoDhyM7v2s6atxL97X1fZi5Kpd1SUSRvOsOJpPq13MzROxMOzrO8=; X-YMail-OSG: lvlD2Y4VM1naYmQ8R7_y0Rkbl2Y2ZUrQKjry5Zy0n7zywhzI Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: murkie Subject: Re: torn shows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206CC5BC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20780.6784.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:58:27 +0000 (UTC) yes. by all means go. this is a smokin' little combo that can get pretty "out"... and DT is looping various members of the band... and Tom Rainey is one of the most remarkable drummers i've seen/heard. there were some clips on YouTube (both live and interveiw stuff) that should be easy to find. m --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > anyone seen this already? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:18:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675A83BEF9; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:18:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200801141418.m0EEI81j007721@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Granulator "stompbox"??? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:18:11 +0000 (UTC) > Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upo= n such a hardware effect? > I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is= a part of a multi effect=20 >From the top of my head: EDP with loop4, Kaoss Pad III, Nord Modular G2. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:27:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 914E83BEF6; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:27:10 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <571371.33533.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080114142710.311540@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <571371.33533.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC50 "warbling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Ko01ttcAK73VdiNSMyyYBFtgpKklto/E2i6bGGv xO6S17yMzBBXsiaOLQnG2MIf+saG0XJJiNgA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: WhjuBtwNfW47WpNBjGRoazBudmllcgVQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jack that's a "classic" mistake on the RC-50: When you are in SINGLE mode, you need to turn off TEMPO SYNC for each (!) of the three PHRASEs seperately. It's quite common sense, but I also occasionally forget it. Since you don't a see a button, you think everything is fine, but you have to go all the way through the PHRASE settings to turn it off. It's actually too bad, cause you read it often in the reviews "rc-50 sounds incredibly crap.." etc where people must have stumbled into that exact problem Best regards Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 14:36:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C79613BF01; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:36:30 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080114143630.311570@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18XavwJpYwXAs3u9K7X0vUIyPV9iEisTLmx0GXCQe bChFmHavdlvhnDzQs0a+ROweE15izUqywiFA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: XEW+dsARbUk7GZ8oyWknRxBsZ2hlNwor Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:36:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks the SMALLEST, MOBILE, BATTERY-DRIVEN setup I've came up with is this: Mic > Edirol MX-10 Mini-Mixer > RC-2 Looper > Roland Micro Cube Works really great in summer: It all fits in a backpack (including Micro Cube!). And you can take it really everywhere. And if you mind effects: I'll throw in an additional battery-driven Zoom G2! Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:14:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7E13BF15; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 11579239/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAEMLi0c+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIqFw From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Goddard, Duncan" Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:14:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: torn shows Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <478B7C3F.7693.11AE459@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206CC5BC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206CC5BC2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) On 14 Jan 2008 at 11:08, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > in london, then I think he's up north tomorrow..... a Leeds club called seven - details here http://www.leedsmusicscene.net/gig/14314/ I owe you A HUGE thanks for this - none of my major "alerters" know about this - ents24 says he's not currently on tour! WIll send a review, all being well! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:15:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D21D3BEF3; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4185 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:15:12 UTC Message-ID: <8913.66.162.182.97.1200319252.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <20780.6784.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20780.6784.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:00:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: torn shows From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: <2yGAh.A.HbF.Ay3iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:15:13 +0000 (UTC) He must be doing a U.S. leg as well. I have tickets to the Boston show March 20th. (Regattabar in Cambridge, for interested parties nearby.) That's a 3-hour drive for me, but i wouldn't miss it. Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY U.S.A. AVAILAIBLE NOW: Pseudophone's "Reach" A free EP from Negative Sound Institute http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/ http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ > yes. by all means go. this is a smokin' little combo > that can get pretty "out"... and DT is looping > various members of the band... and Tom Rainey is one > of the most remarkable drummers i've seen/heard. > > there were some clips on YouTube (both live and > interveiw stuff) that should be easy to find. > > m > > --- "Goddard, Duncan" > wrote: > >> anyone seen this already? >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:51:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40B653BEF3; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=jiOk7M5SuqJryb0IIfQt3ZMBfJrffkVAjUGgd9wob1A=; b=otTXChMD+o0x3MIpMcqYcAau1uRl7iLu0RdQdLxwDnhsisyamobC19Yh2bBNSP3M7NLOuc37ZMVL/gm0LANXzShIUzU2e0gYZmXNCpU3DbFLcZvQ5X5fehhKe+M7H2LI8SI13+Lqvy/T/E3VnAA9kITKP+vpm0CbMFwipJKj+4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=AW09io+fBuSI3QbYdnRHUX4Pt3+M61oMBoashjIm2N/26Fr6f69MA/Ub9dEV4gzaUdj6PlfDuQX32hDCqeF0OikTzQXQ0YMlylzxDdz9j+jajVSsrYWsEIimbcxwh4LvlpDpONXGCAYeebVTfZ9pu3UquWSzVX9V9npqf4sYF5Q= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0801140744t3f50ca4dmf1a697d8c5f0883b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:44:34 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Granulator "stompbox"??? In-Reply-To: <200801141418.m0EEI81j007721@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11663_19215167.1200325474617" References: <200801141418.m0EEI81j007721@post.webmailer.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7ee9847353416a2a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11663_19215167.1200325474617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Its IS possible to make granluar sounding effects on the EDP, but its NOT really granular, Nord Modular G2.. well ... ahem... quite... Im interested in what the Kaosspad has on it tho... ? ...still not a dedicated and PROPER granular synth/effect.. On Jan 14, 2008 3:18 PM, wrote: > > Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled > upon such a hardware effect? > > I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it > is a part of a multi effect > > From the top of my head: EDP with loop4, Kaoss Pad III, Nord Modular G2. > > Rainer > > -- www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no ------=_Part_11663_19215167.1200325474617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Its IS possible to make granluar sounding effects on the EDP, but its NOT really granular, Nord Modular G2.. well ... ahem... quite... Im interested in what the Kaosspad has on it tho... ?

...still not a dedicated and PROPER granular synth/effect..


On Jan 14, 2008 3:18 PM, <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon such a hardware effect?
> I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is a part of a multi effect

>From the top of my head: EDP with loop4, Kaoss Pad III, Nord Modular G2.

            Rainer




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www.looop.no ------=_Part_11663_19215167.1200325474617-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:53:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2C93BF10; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1yLFRKT2Dt+C+TrNnTOL4XXKwcFuiGYkPj3cHsC9kEM=; b=Q0rNnRHNfNBKMQhseQqHN8IBecVcVh8NMHR3K+e1HosU+Q2KZll+JsdkzLfAMbHO17wQ74gsmuLoQupAkGFS9Pyk8kQkeJwpRSAM5Ox4KmXcMB5sUpQuq4eckTF4VtbGcD0qB1QlYDd/TbOzh7rAMxyR/uetZXeVHdlvx1KjJug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Y9mm9dVwjk/VsrK8jvIFAZ2W1qsc3lJOFNhzOelKFC2CyVyrRxuwlJ6HOQkh8yEMk//cM1YL/CANGF1jjCb0fy3bcxmb/TRWHcbab4X+pP/LHvHRsoMMBuveGgOcxm7DOqBwhgn+5JujOYcgr/WJMBMZmb3jEC2XaWBrCLh9Gqc= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0801140727o433724e1hc376526ae87d177b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:03 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Granulator "stompbox"??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11535_17612829.1200324423125" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 94c8a56c5a906f3e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11535_17612829.1200324423125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was thinking and searching for EXACTLY the same thing over the weekend!!! Spooky! So much so I was thinking of designing one. I want (in pedal - or box form) something approaching the Bubbleblower contraption in AudioMulch. Interested finding out existing boxes!!! Mark On Jan 14, 2008 1:00 PM, Panagiotis Melidis wrote: > Good Morning! > > Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon > such a hardware effect? > > I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is > a part of a multi effect > > It would have made my life a lot easier > > Thanks a lot in advance > > Panagiotis Melidis > > http://myspace.com/larrygus > -- www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no ------=_Part_11535_17612829.1200324423125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was thinking and searching for EXACTLY the same thing over the weekend!!! Spooky! So much so I was thinking of designing one. I want (in pedal - or box form) something approaching the Bubbleblower contraption in AudioMulch.

Interested finding out existing boxes!!!

Mark

On Jan 14, 2008 1:00 PM, Panagiotis Melidis <pmelidis@gmail.com> wrote:
Good Morning!

Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon such a hardware effect?

I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is a part of a multi effect

It would have made my life a lot easier

Thanks a lot in advance

Panagiotis Melidis

http://myspace.com/larrygus



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www.looop.no ------=_Part_11535_17612829.1200324423125-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 15:55:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDF5C3BF1C; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2009 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:11 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:04:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120915c126f329a6d7fa5dc1d58ef312874d10b21128611828d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:11 +0000 (UTC) > >I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the >Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. >Per > > Per, What does this mean to you? -CZ -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:08:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6068F3BF1A; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=q7htpmMgAsPbrMM+IJYJdgxruljLlCG00Ch8vXqbKlE=; b=xWr2GMHfe2ZyQqp1XoKK/6iM3Ht1sd2vf7WemgEuWjdOdsfVKkoUsFMK3WRrejMVchralH17PtgtN47yEDiQNJuQ9Hm51lHuDb086qUsqZi/SVAn6z7eEf/u6vy0qAlECiqMD/qWKXn/kd49lgYphSGyTOfe8ByLWOVZru5kRbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CvjM0uDILiHt1fJafxL+APUbmMIobrWv8VjU1J5NUxxMvrOr9DAkxoTfsComVmRbhHzaC9Ro2rOT2fDQdBGn2sIU3su+ehI+Bml0f0D9js3RDIWGC0G1VQkmuR53/3SooOarcyTxrUMLSaItip5ESBaGOguJzUPNOUW4+rS3pN0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:00:40 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain In-Reply-To: <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> <000001c85494$f846c660$e8d45320$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <6OcjYB.A.W9G.kj4iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:08:05 +0000 (UTC) Yes. I often like to make the looper the sound 'source' and have it run through the fx. This is my 'normal' setup. I change stuff around a lot, so that's just one of my configurations. Tony On Jan 11, 2008 4:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they can apply and vary FX over > time to a loop that is playing ? > -Q > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain > > On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > > Got a couple of questions. > > > > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, where in the signal chain do > > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it. > > > > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put > > the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal > route? > > > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > > 1. I like to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effects > as part of the sound I'm working with. > > 2. I simply split the signal to all loopers. The loopers I put into > Record mode records, the others don't. I on signal split bypasses the > loopers and goes directly to the output, since all loopers are set to > "wet" mode. > > I'm not saying this way is better, I just find it easy to handle for > the music I like to make. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:27:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE20E3BF20; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xm5zdpLUQ8XdPHPW5POY1Tc9sAtEF7H7YR4WUJom1Ww=; b=D6h8sQQjoomCDv9NOZmc8lLxHvKaqEZcnN9iHoBYn9bf4BlvUmyxtICVG0VXsy6sm3iRuRcr2UKui/Qr5I1W9Mxux1rVf8euS5r9hHPmkT7QHlrDK3EIvM6DIHPb1KuswCUdItrCuVz248X3N43PG6TjIWvtghY/zDBtmpQUvAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oC+rED53DjK2CW9XkJphdasSKbij5x2Tc54D3dhXmZsN76QRA5+WnCYJkIpxEzSKPE6+xbdNIhOYp2yBPC2apVOOUxIUDqIrlbL4vVK2Rbajjv2jydHVKkK9yg5rPKzWcVAk6zXsswsdqNG80SASf6py9+Dd4IrA7+rGhxfgegg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801140827n5f00f91j745e4f5e9210bd47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:27:49 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:50 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > >I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the > >Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. > >Per > > Per, > > What does this mean to you? Good question! A brass nut alters the vibration response between wood and string. When using a mechanical "vibrator" - as my Sustainiac C - a brass nut may reduce the effect. However, when using a purely electo-magnetic sustainer as the Fernandez that might not be such a big deal. And often one of the reasons to use a brass net is that you like the sound of just the string, when picked up magnetically as the electric guitar pickups do. Does that make sense? per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:34:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40143BF1A; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140827n5f00f91j745e4f5e9210bd47@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140827n5f00f91j745e4f5e9210bd47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:34:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120915c126f329a6d7f6cce2871a14da0d0f4d1d02d8020d2d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.86.253.58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Per, The brass nut affects the coupling of the string's vibrational energy to the neck by reducing this coupling due to the added mass at the string's anchor point. However, this only affects an open string. I'd like a HEX sustainiac on a fretless guitar, please!!!!!! -CZ >On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> > >> >I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the >> >Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. >> >Per > >> >> Per, >> >> What does this mean to you? > > >Good question! A brass nut alters the vibration response between wood >and string. When using a mechanical "vibrator" - as my Sustainiac C - >a brass nut may reduce the effect. However, when using a purely >electo-magnetic sustainer as the Fernandez that might not be such a >big deal. And often one of the reasons to use a brass net is that you >like the sound of just the string, when picked up magnetically as the >electric guitar pickups do. Does that make sense? > >per -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 16:52:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7C903BF0F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=thdczs/TlzfVaiZhNy/Z0KY8+vEonBuyQTy/7dN30co=; b=XBz+gsqIhTtbArmAUvZZYbAPq9oeV/p0RwJV6nty2QcyMg5PteqYFW+RILu1ogao2jAg1tZ9Y8pRUZM5FnLla7ybXy5Cm1vSfKXD969an4slabrtqnhBXcSevAInVVADlQfV4vEOuyqBdrXU7R/gToCmg46955f7qh+TEWtRCFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hwz/fkuWF4/AKN00oX2Ww6B7NyJjG08Tjon2dt0AhongptIT9XMC7X3cIWXg2160PBdGG0fQx0cTO2UHIzb8vXhu4TaaPJo7xIA4ftNws8NLXAaXrVwsbAq8ulVNDh4hNYd9J/MTItkVxYw+5sUteHyq+YqLkHCWWPQVPY9x8Wc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:52:40 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10327_4327590.1200329560410" References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10327_4327590.1200329560410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The discussion so far is revolving around using a new neck and putting either a plate of brass or bonding a sheet of brass to the new fingerboard. The idea being that the metal to metal of strings and fretboard should be a little different than other combinations. As for glissandi and MIDI, I'm looking forward to exploring that deeper ... I do it now on my Godin, though not a lot. He (the luthier) was meeting with some other lutheirs this past Sunday and was going to ask for their collective wisdom, so I hope to hear some new ideas in the next week or so. Dennis On 1/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > Wow - interesting, Dennis! What material are you looking into as > "non-wood"? > > I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the > Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. Myself I > tried out the Fernandez but decided to use the electro-acoustic > Sustaniac C instead. Sure, it's more easy with the thing always built > into the guitar, but I kind of like how the mechanically vibrating > clamper feels when playing the instrument. And you can use it with > other guitars as well. > > What's your plan with a MIDI pickup on fretless? How will you handle > glissandi? > > Per > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:34 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > LOL ...this Saturday, I spent the morning and early afternoon meeting > with a > > luthier to start work on mine! I had removed the frets last year from my > > Fender Squier but had been unable to attend to the finishing of it. > Right > > now, he is looking into installing a non-wood fingerboard, a brass nut, > and > > permanently installing a GK-3 MIDI pickup. The stereo outs and Fernandez > > Sustainer install will come later. > > > > Looks like there continues to be a lot of interest in this approach to > > playing! > > > > Dennis > > > > On Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me > > > for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've > > > finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar: > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get > > > the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server > > > breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone > > > wonders what that thing sounds like. > > > > > > -- > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_10327_4327590.1200329560410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The discussion so far is revolving around using a new neck and putting either a plate of brass or bonding a sheet of brass to the new fingerboard. The idea being that the metal to metal of strings and fretboard should be a little different than other combinations.

As for glissandi and MIDI, I'm looking forward to exploring that deeper ... I do it now on my Godin, though not a lot.

He (the luthier) was meeting with some other lutheirs this past Sunday and was going to ask for their collective wisdom, so I hope to hear some new ideas in the next week or so.

Dennis

On 1/14/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow - interesting, Dennis! What material are you looking into as "non-wood"?

I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the
Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. Myself I
tried out the Fernandez but decided to use the electro-acoustic
Sustaniac C instead. Sure, it's more easy with the thing always built
into the guitar, but I kind of like how the mechanically vibrating
clamper feels when playing the instrument. And you can use it with
other guitars as well.

What's your plan with a MIDI pickup on fretless? How will you handle glissandi?

Per


On Jan 14, 2008 12:34 PM, Dennis Moser < sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL ...this Saturday, I spent the morning and early afternoon meeting with a
> luthier to start work on mine! I had removed the frets last year from my
> Fender Squier but had been unable to attend to the finishing of it. Right
> now, he is looking into installing a non-wood fingerboard, a brass nut, and
> permanently installing a GK-3 MIDI pickup. The stereo outs and Fernandez
> Sustainer install will come later.
>
> Looks like there continues to be a lot of interest in this approach to
> playing!
>
> Dennis
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com > wrote:
> > A while back we were discussing fretless guitar and someone asked me
> > for pictures of the one I mocked up from a normal telecaster. I've
> > finally got a bunch of pix showing this guitar:
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/MyFretlessGuitar (be sure to get
> > the full URL into the browser's address line, if the list server
> > breaks the address). There's a listening link as well if anyone
> > wonders what that thing sounds like.
> >
> > --
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> > www.looproom.com (international)
> >
> >
>
>



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_10327_4327590.1200329560410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 18:26:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9FF83BF0F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478BA9BA.1050604@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:28:10 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140827n5f00f91j745e4f5e9210bd47@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7dRjEB.A.U3E.-k6iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Charles Zwicky wrote: > Per, > > The brass nut affects the coupling of the string's vibrational energy to > the neck by reducing this coupling due to the added mass at the string's > anchor point. Agreed. As such, it might also reduce tone warmth exactly due to less such vibrations. In the past, many believed firmly in massiveness and sturdyness (like mahogany, neck-through and heavy Schaller tuners), which works fine from a sustain POW. Over the latter years, though, luthiers have taken up cavity designs, and question massiveness, rethinking how separate properties in neck and body materials/designs works together. For a fretless, I'd guess sustain is a primary design factor. A tele, as Per is using, may be a fine starting point, sustain wise. > However, this only affects an open string. Yup, and as such, fretted strings may sound different from open ones. This is the case on my '87 Duesenberg with hard steel rollers in a brass bed as the nut, compared to (IMO) too soft a nickel fret alloy. Then again, it might be different on a fretless, where strings are held against the board by fingers, which may allow more vibration from the pressure point to nut to slip through, thus keeping tone more uniform. Just an observation with no empirical data to back it ;) I really have a problem with these discussions. Everytime such stuff comes up, I want in too, but alas allach, finance can't catch up :( >> On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> > >>> >I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the >>> >Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. >>> >Per >> >>> >>> Per, >>> >>> What does this mean to you? >> >> >> >> Good question! A brass nut alters the vibration response between wood >> and string. When using a mechanical "vibrator" - as my Sustainiac C - >> a brass nut may reduce the effect. However, when using a purely >> electo-magnetic sustainer as the Fernandez that might not be such a >> big deal. And often one of the reasons to use a brass net is that you >> like the sound of just the string, when picked up magnetically as the >> electric guitar pickups do. Does that make sense? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 20:40:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98FE23BEF8; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6X6omXeaEpbdKXSvDMGjBouEjJArA5Cl6HdvmBoB3uXVxrsrGyt0fWAf1l57TQLYPNmy85F+g/5URtFot4U208LzGSI/UT87eL/4Kro1yNf0/SZf87lGk6NkvRhF7Tgn9TSbocZIdFrAamLjqZtZPiSYE7CXXjVr1vmf7W/RUgQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ZtbtKvQVM1m_nYRSshHg5XciAJjOJd0ulBFmpsQNkUGNEoVa9SrKOPIa.2jxOrITG84VKfQ42rcPjJiXJR0XMHRNgCRaiYq_g5w9Om4eBJvt2fpuBKjempUKistNeg-- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140130w23ae540dtac03f36e948b39f2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:40:28 +0000 (UTC) i had been doing this with my mo-fx but like Per i am also not doing it as much live anymore,it would be interesting for one loop perhaps but it gets old doing it everytime.In the studio or at home is offcourse another story. I am having fun lately however with 2 unsynced EDPs,theres lots to do! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > > > > > Is anyone putting FX after the loopers so they > can apply and vary > > > FX over > > > time to a loop that is playing ? > > > I've done that in the past. Not "after" though but > rather on effect > send routings on the mixer channel where the loop > output passes > through. I still sometimes applies a little effect > to full live > looping tracks after having recorded them, but for > live performance > use I have completely left that concept now. I add > nothing after the > loops, except for a soft stereo compression of the > summed signal that > goes out to the house PA. > > The reason for this is that I'm hoping to do more > interesting concerts > this way, because I create variation by playing new > audio into the > loops and it usually looks more interesting to see a > guy making noise > with an instrument then bending over a laptop. For > loops that is not > in focus - as for a backing percussion loop - I make > sure I create > them varied enough form the start. It's just a > couple of seconds doing > that; play something and create a two bar loop, push > a button to > multiply it by three and punch in one slight > variation for one bar. > This will make your variation appear every sixth bar > and that's > perfect for a backing track while you're working on > a lead theme loop. > I'm finding it optimal, performance-wise, to have > two loops playing at > the same time. You will have time to play live on > top of them and at > the same time create variation by overdubbing, > substituting etc. That > would not be possible with more parallel loops or if > you should also > have to care for post loop effects. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:04:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B193F3BEF5; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NAtuoGrGtiif+8JyRJP2s/Mix9qzdXQl/yVSQgtHm12Fcn/z8h5NkKy1mnIG/EXn2s2UTK6CzkTzhvGnyToKu1qJGB5IQyvEfODdEokIuTOsNj/ZbMVsIv1fT3qvUInrf3qpcyo1lUGJuwYVVrjGD/Ga5JPRk8RHOflq5XAvomg=; X-YMail-OSG: XK9uCXsVM1n9ahoYeORkBhJzcVTcNAsb2vSD0LezzxsYr0Vi_Io6cLcRgM5tpyJuupxexS.wgRZzzlBWEQEXqqmIjFz_QUhM.SjPHtc4.ZLjjizvpsc- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:04:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <4648120.1200271921590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <7988.6511.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-lyG8.A.GmC.P58iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) That correct,it seems this is not an inovation but rather an expansion of the original inovators more than 10 years ago which is the trans performance company.The transperformance is still better since you can program your own presets and many more than on the robo one.But it is nice having the system now on the tuners than built into the guitar.I am just waiting now for this system to be made for acoustic guitars! Luis --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > this idea been done way back in the nineties-jimmy > page et al. > http://transperformance.com/test/f_jim.html > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFFAB3BF07; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hTmV5HSaDJMnxoVNcYpGE+LFNDvrBS4EOb5f/XkqTyk=; b=KF0eWf6huSmS1yFMsagrR4XCyFRkedDGzkTQcN7+edyuN2zYamFlAJK36RuXLBooUGPYLrgS9dGgG0MrM/vnl82VcbAD/d8v9J/ZIfQQzdxn+NGOqf7eS4cCDfAojffj8Koxjsc8L2s0VmNBZ6ZC+4KIJ+mq3RqHTcVlNC1IeHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pPw/6DbP37YCJXi9YR+6js8IK/PWXiaL7i0DejY33hXJDdeiklaFcK6v/x4M1d9tDCy7GUWOzIFov5/rnyVPDGPLgbXvSYaLUvF11cr9ppQ+HxZSemojsSfw/e6DRrnf7PnDJF1XuYxx0cxbPikRF0janEGdfyP4skd5MBvFLY8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:08:30 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! In-Reply-To: <7988.6511.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11638_25923940.1200344911015" References: <4648120.1200271921590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <7988.6511.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_I-_EB.A.s_C.pD9iHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:15:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11638_25923940.1200344911015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Transperformance was a lot more involved, and cost something like $8K as I recall. With this, you get a thousand dollar guitar (a Les Paul Studio) with twelve hundred dollars of gadget in it. On Jan 14, 2008 1:04 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > That correct,it seems this is not an inovation but > rather an expansion of the original inovators more > than 10 years ago which is the trans performance > company.The transperformance is still better since you > can program your own presets and many more than on the > robo one.But it is nice having the system now on the > tuners than built into the guitar.I am just waiting > now for this system to be made for acoustic guitars! > Luis > > > > > > --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > this idea been done way back in the nineties-jimmy > > page et al. > > http://transperformance.com/test/f_jim.html > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ------=_Part_11638_25923940.1200344911015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Transperformance was a lot more involved, and cost something like $8K as I recall.  With this, you get a thousand dollar guitar (a Les Paul Studio) with twelve hundred dollars of gadget in it.

On Jan 14, 2008 1:04 PM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
That correct,it seems this is not an inovation but
rather an expansion of the original inovators more
than 10 years ago which is the trans performance
company.The transperformance is still better since you
can program your own presets and many more than on the
robo one.But it is nice having the system now on the
tuners than built into the guitar.I am just waiting
now for this system to be made for acoustic guitars!
Luis





--- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

> this idea been done way back in the nineties-jimmy
> page et al.
> http://transperformance.com/test/f_jim.html
>

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------=_Part_11638_25923940.1200344911015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:52:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAD7A3BF06; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xnoo96TDNrUDZoDeRVuGHx46mTsz4iZBamjjS7EzhGiZDnAhae4rAT9Ern0wWYiNVbQWaoZlj5/3JcO8B553h/yiLP/FaA0jCOHFs3464//TCkFfRGKZeD4LACta7FEu46gU+R5/McuA8/WyfpSfcMfi11quW/TZ0FM04AvGEM8=; X-YMail-OSG: sawOJbAVM1kdkAQYI.p31aClM9fNnOn9OBlC2DRkupichXy3EL9oL_lokxcxPzPntN7HNIGc.hdMcpZQ2A0jEamLFKvvE7S_Zin6Iqkt8_4lfUtpM09vB5X4LRz_gQ-- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000301c85637$a7faca40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <409099.46990.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:52:58 +0000 (UTC) > > Leave it to Gibson to waste their time on useless > innovation. Who can't > tune a guitar? Certainly nobody you would want > > to listen to. Well,Jimmy Page uses a similar system that doesnt mean he can´t tune a guitar;-) I saw Michael Hedges once and it was mind blowing seeing not only his performance but how quickly he changed complex tunings he must have probably changed between 10 of them,without a tuner or sheet to keep track of them and replacing broken strings perfectly within sets while still entertaining and joking with the audience.This requires lots of experience and a perfect ear offcourse.But i bet that if this system had been around for acoustic(which i am sure is coming) he would have still embraced it. When i ocasionally do solo acoustic gigs i do a few open tunings as well and i only take one guitar most of the time but it does take me time to tune up fast between tunings and in perfect pitch specially at loud bars,so i still keep a tuner and this is where a system for acoustic like this would certainly come in handy! Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > I really can see the reason to quickly change > between different tunings at > the flip of a switch mid-tune. Looper Michael > Manring does this a lot, using > hipshot bridges. So that's not really > innovative...and it seems it doesn't > work for that application, either. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C0E3BF1B; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=uCaccNCkX4SjtCMFVpalydW6ZPP++6VvWG52xRGPolzb/EhVqnhzlDkXGYGuhLeZO2Knop2A847TKDj7Y6AmHt4o7qhXooKfbH0lzG3OABEGxyG73AgEoMGkpoBGW8LrvGcff49EV2cAK0YMmnL20Aig9DD71Pgt3/DDFvhS3O0= ; X-YMail-OSG: t2.mj4YVM1mnJa_HmgYJy8LTZhwNZjeLrOi4rZUKP.xhnaFB101mGRsnRjrT0CkpILN5WJhalg-- Message-ID: <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Just bought a EDP plus.. Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:53:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Just wondering if I need a specific model of foot controller or will is any EDP foot controller compatible? Thanks for your help in advance, Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 21:55:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCA23BF17; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rOER9UjO52DEXbTdsZHtCYCBTbzdOmOvk/AcSppdRPsz5MwwFVBDyLCjI42VFLDGwoCgp1ny1oGAbjsoraOS6vVYQUWdYTZDVVM1TXub/te+hg5JO/jz1scBxulgtMrp44LKZD96MUHOTu8yldopI5EgIt1HYC5qjNosNp5nXlQ=; X-YMail-OSG: xMW4RJIVM1nr2brmiDeqVrpCx_sqZAFsrNNElcRwVYheNPQ8txbX4mRZV7MWEgTMKfT8DQdHV4KW4bY66Mi6cCveWEpng4CJWm86zgaI9lM4GvKHAl8- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688918.60922.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:55:06 +0000 (UTC) 8,000dlls.?hmmm are u sure? i thought it was around 3,000dlls. well that is a difference! Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Transperformance was a lot more involved, and > cost something like $8K as > I recall. With this, you get a thousand dollar > guitar (a Les Paul Studio) > with twelve hundred dollars of gadget in it. > > On Jan 14, 2008 1:04 PM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > > That correct,it seems this is not an inovation but > > rather an expansion of the original inovators more > > than 10 years ago which is the trans performance > > company.The transperformance is still better since > you > > can program your own presets and many more than on > the > > robo one.But it is nice having the system now on > the > > tuners than built into the guitar.I am just > waiting > > now for this system to be made for acoustic > guitars! > > Luis > > > > > > > > > > > > --- stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > this idea been done way back in the > nineties-jimmy > > > page et al. > > > http://transperformance.com/test/f_jim.html > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:10:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50E5C3BF00; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1293 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:17 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=LAjMFN08O1IL2VX7OEiqyl0np0106IsuSP+Po18dCkQ=; b=C2xGUDE1n+7dA0XPDhbRrGs1xH1Cjm1BFOeEl8eEOglH+9g+u+oLF5gTmxgNhfY+w3TShPpFPSqDWKbG1ZmihZHk7NP83ooxjfB8s40Wz28+2qIXObGze7QsrUiuZ6PceZUrnF7w85C2rVC1nBpp4kCkqpY/3GHKfv0R5oKC6OU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Xgb8gMt6HF/B1lYYjY/ErY6skDcn1Ovo9G9ZqWzy1JmJSttyQrwkD5XvWzGChz0SxSKehImpqWbbCnR8aIzViWQat/pbzyQ4yXg/OqgjI4X4HQMQ2oFJAYWPaY7UdKq72lzQwAk5/WK4LVc6YtsjdcvrNM9MGR3hzPrPtR8FqBA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:22 -0500 From: "Zak Kramer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EHX 16 vs 2880? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10179_31041425.1200346942602" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10179_31041425.1200346942602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In my current binge on hardware loopers, I've become very intrigued by both of these boxes. I'm clear on the differences in specs, having perused reviews, manuals, etc.; however, I am curious to know, from the perspective of you (far more) experienced loopers, how these 2 boxes compare in a live, performance setting? I would likely be using only a single looper, guitar & amp. I'd certainly use a foot controller. Also, if I got the 16 sec loop, I'd only get one with the mod to remove the count in and to allow push-record-push-play/overdub. Thanks for any help/advice, -- Zak Kramer Crazyquilt Arts & Music http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_10179_31041425.1200346942602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In my current binge on hardware loopers, I've become very intrigued by both of these boxes.

I'm clear on the differences in specs, having perused reviews, manuals, etc.; however, I am curious to know, from the perspective of you (far more) experienced loopers, how these 2 boxes compare in a live, performance setting?

I would likely be using only a single looper, guitar & amp. I'd certainly use a foot controller. Also, if I got the 16 sec loop, I'd only get one with the mod to remove the count in and to allow push-record-push-play/overdub.

Thanks for any help/advice,

--
Zak Kramer
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 http://www.crazyquiltarts.com/ ------=_Part_10179_31041425.1200346942602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:10:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9F43BF2E; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tUd4dPOqtRTC/i7Aozz4T8Wzo/59n9BMh5O4duJOcgyq3GlP7UiTuQcUUouXslotkRBzekLTYG/LBOJOrBES+7QzhVs9GCNhAv28YCcl6RiB/ZacESzHl0QgObeM6LfoJ3ICR1UbhhMgEW4EFcqPnbjTis0fwyL2Px1YhiEAsnY=; X-YMail-OSG: 072YD_0VM1kKA9nchB3OwnrlsKUFIa9pGBWMuL4xFcvjI8Nz.qnSGxAv_B2DYwPsYiJwkKyskgM0lQh4EqVLE21ucWdVQ8y4Fxu9OLBSe8Q0PK.tH8Lr9tIUIHCwog-- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:10:33 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <478BA9BA.1050604@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <602841.1044.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Guys and gals if you really want sustain out the wazooooo then look into polycarbonates they also posess the ability to transfer electricity fairly well and are super slippery. Fish Bone, Graph Tech, RMC and LR Baggs, Rick Turners innovations, etc. When it comes to sustain I recommend you find the strongest maple neck you can, preferably with graphite reinforcement. Notes just jump off that neck. The less movement in the neck and headstock the more tone in general you will have as to less energy will be absorbed. Im experimenting with woods that are very difficult to obtain and most are extremely expensive even if you do find them? Pink Ivory, Osage Orange aka: bois de arco, Brazilian Ebony, Iroko, Ipe'. Now im working on reducing weight without sacrificing tone in the new prototypes. "The field of metallurgy is also an ever changing continually evolving medium" Cannot wait for more black operative ha ha alien technology to surface for the luthiery field. --- van Sinn wrote: > Charles Zwicky wrote: > > Per, > > > > The brass nut affects the coupling of the string's vibrational energy to > > the neck by reducing this coupling due to the added mass at the string's > > anchor point. > > Agreed. As such, it might also reduce tone warmth exactly due to less > such vibrations. In the past, many believed firmly in massiveness and > sturdyness (like mahogany, neck-through and heavy Schaller tuners), > which works fine from a sustain POW. > Over the latter years, though, luthiers have taken up cavity designs, > and question massiveness, rethinking how separate properties in neck and > body materials/designs works together. > > For a fretless, I'd guess sustain is a primary design factor. > A tele, as Per is using, may be a fine starting point, sustain wise. > > > However, this only affects an open string. > > Yup, and as such, fretted strings may sound different from open ones. > This is the case on my '87 Duesenberg with hard steel rollers in a brass > bed as the nut, compared to (IMO) too soft a nickel fret alloy. > Then again, it might be different on a fretless, where strings are held > against the board by fingers, which may allow more vibration from the > pressure point to nut to slip through, thus keeping tone more uniform. > Just an observation with no empirical data to back it ;) > > > I really have a problem with these discussions. Everytime such stuff > comes up, I want in too, but alas allach, finance can't catch up :( > > > >> On Jan 14, 2008 4:04 PM, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> > >>> > > >>> >I can see the point in using a brass nut if you're going for the > >>> >Fernandez sustainer later on, which is all electro-magnetic. > >>> >Per > >> > >>> > >>> Per, > >>> > >>> What does this mean to you? > >> > >> > >> > >> Good question! A brass nut alters the vibration response between wood > >> and string. When using a mechanical "vibrator" - as my Sustainiac C - > >> a brass nut may reduce the effect. However, when using a purely > >> electo-magnetic sustainer as the Fernandez that might not be such a > >> big deal. And often one of the reasons to use a brass net is that you > >> like the sound of just the string, when picked up magnetically as the > >> electric guitar pickups do. Does that make sense? > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:19:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CF73BEE6; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4275 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:19:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hoc61RHrRezVF/hAZli0W8LdPYuwZcmcPfZK8nlfmu0=; b=GqaUO1OsZC/CL3woAwmdqf15kc1ocumIYgOL5Le/WGh1n1nH8385nlHZDdic7es8T5zKW4G8VVkF/YIt8S+rm2PfAVgDdhUobZUMHBLmdGwocmR6zKAPUhPs5bo+M5viJJM8bqtzLHfS4DAPU32mfAdkJmgD5XWiNGS+DuxhOMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WtTNeFK1kQvGoBM0QNs4GzOs+4RP36SNWuen09ktN2kpoHRVmMqFbtluuoP4ZYh0Phq2F6h0i/ZyeVZgUB7dHuGn+QuzDjpB/bcuqeGHBqy+a+dw/RhCLXJviBAP8rlA93I5Lv9xgHJ31ZE/6mUUP7zIflq0y/+Qj7efjFz/8Xk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:19:47 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! In-Reply-To: <688918.60922.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12125_19094232.1200349187238" References: <688918.60922.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:19:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12125_19094232.1200349187238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's the price of the gadget. Then you need a guitar to put it in. When it first came out, I believe it was only available in a Les Paul, and the total bill was $8K. On Jan 14, 2008 1:55 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > 8,000dlls.?hmmm are u sure? i thought it was around > 3,000dlls. > well that is a difference! > Luis > > > ------=_Part_12125_19094232.1200349187238 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's the price of the gadget.  Then you need a guitar to put it in. 

When it first came out, I believe it was only available in a Les Paul, and the total bill was $8K.

On Jan 14, 2008 1:55 PM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
8,000dlls.?hmmm are u sure? i thought it was around
3,000dlls.
well that is a difference!
Luis



------=_Part_12125_19094232.1200349187238-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AAE63BF24; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Dc4K2gov55i8dgyput3pWcSr0ieeH0UowumJ/10xKos=; b=Td+3wTXLvymgSqAJQukAQFVxCMK4YmKrzzDJ3DU018GELg2mGYHixNGVKqPHbOlN+voIb/1o8MU/A6UGFOY22eeluzcCnLizf78xZe3Bp5nYpbERCIrUiozcPP/OYnWYDK6V+VoQst19Vb8KhFvf+/pYp+yleeIB94MVOe0YHRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eZGmrtbwesKxT5DXSKpCJ9alrMsrfmUxBJM3DbNYSGMTBygZmditiEO86wzAGbpm/8czP5jpjHCjBOkGcmUnj7zpKr4saWRABG+yrs7S+EUz67xOIalXjuKjsX3DJ84V+1B3xV2+phOQZmJdbD2xbqEQZI/6Ue+VNu2jC6UnwJc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:21:02 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. In-Reply-To: <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12135_10524727.1200349262613" References: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:21:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12135_10524727.1200349262613 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The only changes to the EFC-7 controller were the graphics. The mechanics are the same for all models. On Jan 14, 2008 1:53 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Just wondering if I need a specific model of foot controller or will is > any > EDP foot controller compatible? > > Thanks for your help in advance, > > Ricky > > ------=_Part_12135_10524727.1200349262613 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The only changes to the EFC-7 controller were the graphics.  The mechanics are the same for all models.

On Jan 14, 2008 1:53 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Just wondering if I need a specific model of foot controller or will is any
EDP foot controller compatible?

Thanks for your help in advance,

Ricky


------=_Part_12135_10524727.1200349262613-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:22:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FCCF3BF2A; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EV1TWa71OQ3T+hRHPwPs+kB7sFXt9Ust/mbdfXnqSTHK9oKn/W2HhFJb/AsfiJgUjSF59EYtNwvnqx4nBrJiLwpDMRLdwteIHnUVW98C5rucXRA0vdeB7hvDxlTwN5JH+C+o3fHEhm7i2sVKqg+xx/hVLbSbdRL8420kGQomxU8=; X-YMail-OSG: i7oChjgVM1kFFRBxQ6.zEtzuYYPK_GmortPfCSTSB4TS46SsXbV4nOfUqTtvD_3wr8JpW8RGbPqrlOuElBBD2bP9OZ3IrjufYI_7ZLx8IfAlcZ20VdQ- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: sp-555 To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <116169.66541.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:22:21 +0000 (UTC) anybody live looping with this using instruments? http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=902&ParentId=84 if you do send a link of youtube i am interested in what can be done live with it.The Roland video does a good performance example but id like to rather see guitarists working with it. cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FEE23BF36; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=q6ghCsu6QeUyEgwpJ9AB8SfGczgbmFw7LCkRKHX8dEgq/mm7AVDlsQHHvgzt8rYj5MvIDlm/IzcAIuR7cN0t+cki7zOkk4kbR3QKptuzJQ1hnfbnJz7+LlcNzQ670P6lg5TcRuahVF2LX+vPs39M8frUbpiYNPp6UziGS0YxjY4= ; X-YMail-OSG: m2DCiAoVM1lVJuZEhRfiClgDYHOYj9U48s8SKUEbzuE3zM2Fw57JWg9hiB_FiTHMQ0dtlcRAFwLQvnIIAthKpcHZ2g2M50FUOuz4UpnHNCAGmOkK Message-ID: <00a401c856fc$320d9f40$630210ac@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:24:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C856FC.3161F5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:24:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C856FC.3161F5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In further reading it would seem there are a lot of questions being = raised about the durability of these floorboards? Is it better to go = with an alternate MIDI controller? R ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. The only changes to the EFC-7 controller were the graphics. The = mechanics are the same for all models. On Jan 14, 2008 1:53 PM, Ricky Graham < = rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: Just wondering if I need a specific model of foot controller or will = is any=20 EDP foot controller compatible? Thanks for your help in advance, Ricky -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: = 1/13/2008 8:23 PM ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C856FC.3161F5F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In further reading it would seem there = are a lot of=20 questions being raised about the durability of these floorboards? Is it = better=20 to go with an alternate MIDI controller?
 
R
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Travis Hartnett
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 = 10:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP=20 plus..

The only changes to the EFC-7 controller were the=20 graphics.  The mechanics are the same for all models.

On Jan 14, 2008 1:53 PM, Ricky Graham <=20 rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Just=20 wondering if I need a specific model of foot controller or will is = any=20
EDP foot controller compatible?

Thanks for your help in=20 advance,

Ricky


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------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C856FC.3161F5F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E9993BF07; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YuvYDEa1Qb9kUoTkV05K2yIfkoF20MFbHUWrtmiNvLQ=; b=HMancU22rYbWfa8lT2s1B5AtoIcohoiE0extuXw1B15SW/337V0cr/Q/UjNLzLHOejnIYt5W8Dg/0nUKlKdiHeHgfyAdC1gf6wroFH6/IbJw9aXduLNr5WQf38JXCjR3JcfmW4IOEneAfxs3MGw57l5QdaDsDw6QZ7yiChPvANA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wRJjVzH7UhXX48CEeEoKZqcT95Irp4vl24MlZ7Dr1MVjbthTOwtAWROLytc15lFKnb3mDcfu9I5+WAPBeT2eVZ6af4RGslgjDmskeQzLT0oT0+zzktZWHaDLc8bU6+HphXXnVFgTNoOp3RzlJCLAydU/7FA8t5GV2WAzMNNqPlc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:29:10 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. In-Reply-To: <00a401c856fc$320d9f40$630210ac@rickyslaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12171_2396084.1200349750095" References: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> <00a401c856fc$320d9f40$630210ac@rickyslaptop> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:29:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12171_2396084.1200349750095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline These days you can find an FCB for only slightly more than the EFC-7, and it gives you a lot more control options. However, it is cumbersome to program and takes up a lot of floor space. I used the EFC for many years before some of the switches wore out, whereas some people had problems much sooner. The EFC is very easy to repair, the FCB less so. Bear in mind, most MIDI controllers won't work with the EDP. These days, I use an FCB. TH On Jan 14, 2008 2:24 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > In further reading it would seem there are a lot of questions being > raised about the durability of these floorboards? Is it better to go with an > alternate MIDI controller? > > R > ------=_Part_12171_2396084.1200349750095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline These days you can find an FCB for only slightly more than the EFC-7, and it gives you a lot more control options.  However, it is cumbersome to program and takes up a lot of floor space.  I used the EFC for many years before some of the switches wore out, whereas some people had problems much sooner.  The EFC is very easy to repair, the FCB less so.

Bear in mind, most MIDI controllers won't work with the EDP. 

These days, I use an FCB.

TH

On Jan 14, 2008 2:24 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
In further reading it would seem there are a lot of questions being raised about the durability of these floorboards? Is it better to go with an alternate MIDI controller?
 
R

------=_Part_12171_2396084.1200349750095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:31:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FB023BF1F; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=LQsths7riKeqMryV0CitO09GZt+PrSnUulKhLQAoJnvWK4p3MS1+VjhrIjaWm6NUsRXtvgdNDW2iGLErZ9h05nUsRZWTyt/I3A1ymDxjt5BGW0gR7gls8YeELHF+fga1b//8vC16kyLKcubkAfaeQpALAVTIaKdxGuvJL7BNTiE= ; X-YMail-OSG: ptIM0pwVM1mcqvgnskLuDjbPRwpnFcX8c0DWjIb0j8gCf5Hx36VFvX07pc3ypJ36j_vbD3BGqmGIdM3fQcdo.olsS4jXfS1Qm3urmwzEHt.tQjvs Message-ID: <00b201c856fd$3a87c4b0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <427743.20342.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c856f7$e7fa23a0$630210ac@rickyslaptop> <00a401c856fc$320d9f40$630210ac@rickyslaptop> Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:31:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C856FD.39E59140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:31:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C856FD.39E59140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Travis! Much appreciated. I think i'll go with the EFC for now. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP plus.. These days you can find an FCB for only slightly more than the EFC-7, = and it gives you a lot more control options. However, it is cumbersome = to program and takes up a lot of floor space. I used the EFC for many = years before some of the switches wore out, whereas some people had = problems much sooner. The EFC is very easy to repair, the FCB less so.=20 Bear in mind, most MIDI controllers won't work with the EDP. =20 These days, I use an FCB. TH On Jan 14, 2008 2:24 PM, Ricky Graham < = rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: In further reading it would seem there are a lot of questions being = raised about the durability of these floorboards? Is it better to go = with an alternate MIDI controller? R -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1223 - Release Date: = 1/13/2008 8:23 PM ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C856FD.39E59140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Travis! Much appreciated. I = think i'll go=20 with the EFC for now.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Travis Hartnett
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 = 10:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: Just bought a EDP=20 plus..

These days you can find an FCB for only slightly more = than the=20 EFC-7, and it gives you a lot more control options.  However, it = is=20 cumbersome to program and takes up a lot of floor space.  I used = the EFC=20 for many years before some of the switches wore out, whereas some = people had=20 problems much sooner.  The EFC is very easy to repair, the FCB = less so.=20

Bear in mind, most MIDI controllers won't work with the = EDP. =20

These days, I use an FCB.

TH

On Jan 14, 2008 2:24 PM, Ricky Graham <=20 rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
In further reading it would seem = there are a=20 lot of questions being raised about the durability of these = floorboards? Is=20 it better to go with an alternate MIDI controller?
 
R

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------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C856FD.39E59140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6984B3BF39; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Cpb7MStHWkRViPOnbIjFb/s5IAuhsIh297JvCJwtqyIcH1fgLwZTdus1A7ppQ2UHhME9Cla+hgyetv8egiOqyD1OpDCi1V/m29hVnjjmULDYB1HkiK0m779ET0wpwTgt8PCc8X/C4pApBGFkvE1x+Rimowqb1Aw4T9OSDBIDYd4=; X-YMail-OSG: Lyl5H_sVM1lsqX10e3CMaMZGAc8XK2W8SXsEbUtc386Nepb37145RDOLAlibRDb5QwVQKlmU49QM__to0qV1bzTNzZ9eK7q3hWDAgTpYwYESdOJrmiP21kopun.Lmw-- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:43:04 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <682845.49527.qm@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Keep in mind everybody that Roberto-Venn is inhabited by millionaires. The harp guitars William designs and mainly builds himself often start around $20,000.00. No kiddin at all and worth every penny!!! I studied with people from all over the world who were there to learn to build what most consider the worlds finest guitars. Roland and many other companies send their prototype electronics to William all the time to let him put them through their paces so to speak. He gives them his honest opinion and makes recommendations and suggestions if he feels changes or modifications are necessary to improve their products? "I am now putting forth action in refining myself by the seemingly endless process of getting rid of self" Here is some interesting recommendations involving meditational looping music and carrier frequencies you all might be interested in exploring further too? I would certainly encourage that for you all!!! www.centerpointe.com Thank You, Daniel T. Albertini "Lightsight" www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > That's the price of the gadget. Then you need a guitar to put it in. > > When it first came out, I believe it was only available in a Les Paul, and > the total bill was $8K. > > On Jan 14, 2008 1:55 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > 8,000dlls.?hmmm are u sure? i thought it was around > > 3,000dlls. > > well that is a difference! > > Luis > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 22:56:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6773BF26; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478BE8B3.8060307@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:56:51 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Interesting to read this discussion, as I've been listening to a lot of fretless guitar this week, starting with hearing a couple of Per's tracks (which I love!), then I discovered this Myspace page which has a collection of tunes by people playing exclusively acoustic fretless guitars, including "our" Jim Goodin and Pat Metheny among others. http://www.myspace.com/unpluggedunfretted The organizer, Edward Powell, is a hell of a player himself who builds a lot of his own instruments, besides playing oud and sitar. I'm a wee bit obsessed with him right now actually...here's a vid of him playing an interesting doubleneck he built; it's a great piece, not "shredding" by any means but a great display of the expressive nature of fretless playing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Wh96_PR18 So...I applaud all of you in your fretless efforts! Looking forward to hearing more. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 23:25:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C433BEFA; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <478BEFD2.5000802@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:27:14 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Just think of it.. for me, another interesting aspect of a long scale fretless with heavy jazz strings would be the double use as a slide axe. Now, if only someone made a not too expensive kit to retune between a standard and open E tuning.. Of cause, I could use three Hipshot tuners for the A/D/G strings, and have those all on one side of the head. Used to use my old '73 Dan Armstrong for slide, but with a mere 25" scale, it's not really suited for this. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 14 23:55:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6241E3BEF3; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: Check out the Robot Guitar Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: <002401c85708$f5a78310$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchXBD7FBDYNxBmOTpuFrThwqeaj1gAAHXxA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:55:36 +0000 (UTC) When I first became aware of the Transperformance system, it was a $2000 upgrade to a guitar the owner had to supply, that also involved removing the fret board to install graphite support rods on either side of the truss rod to improve rigidity and also the major routing it took for the bridge and control panel to be mounted on the body. That was at least 8 years ago. At about that time I got to see Sonny Landreth and his band the Goners back up John Hiatt at a Local blues festival, and he was using a les Paul with the system. He wasn't doing anything wild like retuning mid song ala Manring or Adrian Legg. But he was using it very effectively to tune between songs so segues were much faster, and of course he was blazing, I got so much inspiration from hearing him play that day and since I was so close I finally figured out how he was doing his behind the slide bar fretting. Sonny, if you are out there and listening, I'm sorry but I totally nicked that technique from you. One negative other than the price of the original transperformance system is the tuner bridge altered the sound of the instrument due to its mass and construction and though you could add it to a strat style guitar, I believe it rendered the whammy bar useless. The new system that Gibson has licensed and I believe was designed in Germany puts the servo motors in the tuners them selves, which would require running wires up the truss rod channel, if one could get a system retro fitted, but the fact that it isn't a bridge design per se, seems like it wouldn't effect the sound of the instrument as much. The bad news is I believe that Gibson has an exclusive distribution deal, or may have bought the company outright that designed the robot tuning system, so the likelihood of obtaining a system for fender style guitars in the US is slim to none. I think the new Robot system has many creative possibilities, and I was under the impression that it was programmable but I may be wrong. But the thought of being able to quickly change tunings, without having to make pithy chit chat while trying to get in tune, or change individual strings ala a b-bender, mid song is interesting to me. I'm just not sure I'd want to have to play an ugly blue Les Paul to get at the technology. Oh and the price is way out of my range for now. But, I look forward to seeing all my favorite rich rock stars who have Gibson endorsements making beautiful, precisely tuned music on their Gibson robot guitars:) In the hands of some one like Slash, oh the possibilities are infinite......................... Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 00:51:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A913BEF8; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: <602841.1044.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:34 -0800 Message-ID: <002801c85710$c6c26120$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <602841.1044.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AchXBD7K3cL+XJAhQ664ypI8YPIUvgAB9RjA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:33 +0000 (UTC) As Elliot Easton put it, "sustain is overrated". The quest for sustain via mass is certainly valid, as anyone who has played a mid 70's les Paul custom will attest to. But I think you can also loose dynamic range, as really heavy guitars, in my experience, seem to have more natural compression. But I gave up the desire to strap on a guitar that weighs more than eight pounds a while ago simple because my shoulder doesn't like it. Then there is coupling sustain, the kind you get from the interaction between a resonate instrument, and the amplifier's sound waves hitting it, which I place more value in as an electric guitarist, as that is where the magic happens with feedback. It's also harder to control and requires a certain amount of volume and proximity to the amplifier to make it work. A guitar I used to own and wish I still did was a PRS hollow body, one of the most comfortable and best sounding guitars I've ever owned, and it fed back beautifully, though because the pickups weren't potted, it had a tendency to be microphonic if moved too close to a loud amp. But for lower volume work and studio stuff it was phenomenal. I had the same problem with a pair of Duncan antiquity mini humbuckers I installed in my mahogany thineline tele, until I had them partially potted. Now they are still really lively sounding but less microphonic, when using overdrive. I actually love microphonic pickups, particularly in a semi hollow guitar because they seem to pick up more of the bodies resonance, even though they are more like to squeal. Some of those old supro and teisco pickups some fantastic, and you can talk in to them and announce your next tune!!! One of the instruments I will be using to demo at the looperlative Booth (booth 1653 Hall E) at NAMM, is a Cruztone Lap steel made here in Santa Cruz. It is amazing sounding with a Rick Turner made Rickenbacker style horseshoe pickup, and a Lollar P-90. It sustains like a pedal steel guitar. Its also a beast at about 14 pounds due to the combination of mahogany and aluminum construction, even on my knees it feels heavy. But the sustain, it's positively Nigel Tufnellian!!! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 02:57:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 172503BEEE; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NzmtAqoMxFd/G4pQVRtW1B+lk3A45ZGd18XL8FOmPFJz8P+Vn8XnIAb+YDYEDQj2s63PR1WMuMJKeH2CdWTdyHDix095R5Ag6tBuYzazwqPGz6c5DkDrorUdD7ywr0jQLRL7Wh5RQMaHwe+VLCKKcEdJ7ZofEQbmVCTj7di6wS4=; X-YMail-OSG: N6IBikgVM1kLXCPIjMp4pevvglXdbXSHU7ePUc7O Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:57:13 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Check out the Robot Guitar To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <002401c85708$f5a78310$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <58050.69427.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, I talked on the phone here in Germany with the guys at powertune,and among other questions asked them about the trans performance,they admit being very well aware of it and their brilliant concept back then but they are also aware of the inconvenience of having to do surgery on guitarrists loved axes.So this is definetly a big step although ive also been hearing that the system still has a flaw with the bridge or something but i can´t remeber exactly what that was,too early to tell and not enough reviews... I also asked them about this system for acoustic guitar and they say is more complicated but they are working on it.I could be wrong but it seems to me that the majority of guitarrists using open tunings are acoustic players,no? yes,you can say that again that ugly blue color for fuck sake! there is gibsons modern corporate cheap taste again! Luis --- William Walker wrote: > When I first became aware of the Transperformance > system, it was a $2000 > upgrade to a guitar the owner had to supply, that > also involved removing the > fret board to install graphite support rods on > either side of the truss rod > to improve rigidity and also the major routing it > took for the bridge and > control panel to be mounted on the body. That was at > least 8 years ago. At > about that time I got to see Sonny Landreth and his > band the Goners back up > John Hiatt at a Local blues festival, and he was > using a les Paul with the > system. He wasn't doing anything wild like retuning > mid song ala Manring or > Adrian Legg. But he was using it very effectively to > tune between songs so > segues were much faster, and of course he was > blazing, I got so much > inspiration from hearing him play that day and since > I was so close I > finally figured out how he was doing his behind the > slide bar fretting. > Sonny, if you are out there and listening, I'm sorry > but I totally nicked > that technique from you. One negative other than the > price of the original > transperformance system is the tuner bridge altered > the sound of the > instrument due to its mass and construction and > though you could add it to a > strat style guitar, I believe it rendered the whammy > bar useless. The new > system that Gibson has licensed and I believe was > designed in Germany puts > the servo motors in the tuners them selves, which > would require running > wires up the truss rod channel, if one could get a > system retro fitted, but > the fact that it isn't a bridge design per se, seems > like it wouldn't effect > the sound of the instrument as much. The bad news is > I believe that Gibson > has an exclusive distribution deal, or may have > bought the company outright > that designed the robot tuning system, so the > likelihood of obtaining a > system for fender style guitars in the US is slim to > none. I think the new > Robot system has many creative possibilities, and > I was under the > impression that it was programmable but I may be > wrong. But the thought of > being able to quickly change tunings, without having > to make pithy chit chat > while trying to get in tune, or change individual > strings ala a b-bender, > mid song is interesting to me. I'm just not sure I'd > want to have to play an > ugly blue Les Paul to get at the technology. Oh and > the price is way out of > my range for now. But, I look forward to seeing all > my favorite rich rock > stars who have Gibson endorsements making beautiful, > precisely tuned music > on their Gibson robot guitars:) In the hands of some > one like Slash, oh the > possibilities are infinite......................... > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:11:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404A23BECC; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Lukla8wSyekj1ZaKCKWco07fNhkooTOWYXhSd3t5zDuw0J8IP6+UB+2LjM+u1vm7; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <00b901c85745$b24ed590$1e0310ac@ECCO> From: "JC" To: References: <00e101c8557e$a7beaab0$420310ac@ECCO> <000d01c855d0$5eb64060$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:02:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C85701.99D97BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120915c126f329a6d7fecaa476d86451555c99af199f8107469350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:11:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C85701.99D97BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who responded. That gives me a clear idea. What about a looper that can only do 2 loops at a time but can send them = through 2 separate outputs? Is there such a thing? I don't care if it's a bit lofi.=20 Any suggestions would be greatly welcomed.=20 JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:37 AM Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper I finally ordered my 2880 w/ footswitch, I am not sure about using a = midi ft contoller but I do have the software upgrade also so I'll find = out. It doesn't have 4 seperate outputs but can record 4 seperate tracks = (all the same length) and then mix them to a stereo mixdown track = freeing up 1 - 4 again. check this out for more info. = http://www.ehx.com/instructions/2880_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf 408$ for the 2880 and 111$ for the footpedal at MF. Don't tell me = about a cheaper place to buy it now, I don't want to know....lol happy Looping, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Recomendations for hardware looper electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its footpedal or i think = now it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any midi = controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup = though. raul.=20 2008/1/13, JC :=20 Hi, I've been on the list for a few months now. I have mostly been working on looping with Live. But hearing all = the talk about pedal loopers has made me want one as well for a few = experiments. What I'm thinking of would require a looper device that can hold 4 = distinct separate loops and can send them out from 4 separate outputs = (for the purpose of mixing them well later).=20 Can any of you let me know what hardware devices would fill those = requirements (preferably towards the lower end of the price range). Thanks! JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ Other Sites http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/ http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/ http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/ --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1221 - Release Date: = 1/12/2008 2:04 PM ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C85701.99D97BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to all who = responded.
That gives me a clear = idea.
What about a looper that can only do 2 = loops at a=20 time but can send them through 2 separate outputs? Is there such a=20 thing?
I don't care if it's a bit lofi. =
Any suggestions would be greatly = welcomed.=20
 
JC Mendizabal
Black Note Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com<= BR>Via=20 Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/Other=20 Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com= /
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.c= om/
http://secretsareevery= where.blogspot.com/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Duke
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 = 2:37=20 AM
Subject: Re: Recomendations for = hardware=20 looper

I finally ordered my 2880 w/ = footswitch, I am not=20 sure about using a midi ft contoller but I do have the software = upgrade also=20 so I'll find out. It doesn't have 4 seperate outputs but can record 4 = seperate=20 tracks (all the same length) and then mix them to a stereo mixdown = track=20 freeing up 1 - 4 again.  check this out for more info. http://www= .ehx.com/instructions/2880_INSTRUCTIONS.pdf
 408$ for the 2880 and 111$ for = the=20 footpedal at MF. Don't tell me about a cheaper place to buy it now, I = don't=20 want to know....lol
happy Looping,
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Raul=20 Bonell
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Sent: Sunday, January 13, = 2008 12:52=20 AM
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electroharmonix 2880.. but you would need its = footpedal or i=20 think now it's posible, with the new firmware update, to use any = midi=20 controller... let's say gordius, fcb1010, etc... not a cheap setup=20 though.

raul.

2008/1/13, JC <jcmg@earthlink.net>:=20
Hi,
 
I've been on the list for a few = months=20 now.
I have mostly been working on = looping with=20 Live. But hearing all the talk about pedal loopers has made me = want one as=20 well for a few experiments.
What I'm thinking of would = require a looper=20 device that can hold 4 distinct separate loops and can send them = out from=20 4 separate outputs (for the purpose of mixing them well later).=20
Can any of you let me know what = hardware=20 devices would fill those requirements (preferably towards the = lower end of=20 the price range).
Thanks!
 
JC Mendizabal
Black Note = Music
http://www.blacknotemusic.com
Via = Sinistrae
www.viasinistrae.com
http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/
Other = Sites
http://www.allhaildiscordia.com/
http://maddogmagick.blogspot.com/
http://secretsareeverywhere.blogspot.com/


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------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C85701.99D97BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 07:21:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B759F3BECF; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINEROIazQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Recomendations for hardware looper Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:22:25 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001d01c85747$60f93b20$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00b901c85745$b24ed590$1e0310ac@ECCO> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchXRdp8N/TE09vfQsuT5Y2Sl7sggwAAW53w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:21:54 +0000 (UTC) > What about a looper that can only do 2 loops at a time but can send them through 2 separate outputs? Is there such a > thing? Boss RC-50. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 08:41:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EC973BECF; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Priority: normal X-Originating-IP: 212.17.199.39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <129380.23368.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C85752.5F5CB98A" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2929 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: R: Crackle during playback Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:41:07 +0100 Message-ID: <759428530D960344B3CE83449AC768CF5E082C@FBCMST10V06.fbc.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-index: AchXUZUd8ekE8dZBTcCdBh/qBREp5w== From: To: Cc: "L.A. Angulo" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2008 08:41:01.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B5F5BD0:01C85752] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:41:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85752.5F5CB98A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know if someone may be interested but I have solved the problem. The regular intervals indicate some kind of system background activity = that disturbs the FW bus. I have disable the wireless LAN and the = crackle is disappeared Milco -----Messaggio originale----- Da: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Inviato: mar 08/01/2008 23.17 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: Crackle during playback =20 i have a similar problem with my RME FW800,the sound degrades really bad when i have more than one audio program open like soundforge,sonar or winamp. Luis --- milco_montagna@alice.it wrote: > Hi all,=20 > I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear > about every minute and 5 seconds=20 >=20 > The problem occurs with every audio files and with > any software (for example, I tried with Windows > Media Player or with Audio file player in Bidule or > uploading a loop on a mobius track)=20 >=20 > The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4=20 > 2,2 Ghz 512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP > (XP partitioned using FAT file system)=20 >=20 > The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000 > (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I > tried with I-tunes or with Audio file player in > Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on > sooperlooper track) >=20 > My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the > driver=20 >=20 > Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions >=20 >=20 > ********** > Scopri la nuova Alice Mail! > 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB > di allegati. >=20 > Registrati GRATIS su > http://registra.rossoalice.alice.it/registra/basic/entratabasic.do?entryP= oint=3Dfooter >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20 http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------_=_NextPart_001_01C85752.5F5CB98A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R: Crackle during playback

I don't know if someone may be interested but I have = solved the problem.

The regular intervals indicate some kind of system background activity = that disturbs the FW bus. I have disable the wireless LAN and the = crackle is disappeared

Milco



-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]
Inviato: mar 08/01/2008 23.17
A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Oggetto: Re: Crackle during playback

i have a similar problem with my RME FW800,the sound
degrades really bad when i have  more than one audio
program open like soundforge,sonar or winamp.
Luis
--- milco_montagna@alice.it wrote:

> Hi all,
> I need help to solve a crackle problem that I hear
> about every minute and 5 seconds
>
> The problem occurs with every audio files and with
> any software (for example, I tried with Windows
> Media Player or with Audio file player in Bidule or
> uploading a loop on a mobius track)
>
> The problem occurs with both Windows XP (Pentium 4
> 2,2 Ghz   512 RAM) and with my new Macbook/BOOTCAMP
> (XP partitioned using FAT file system)
>
> The problem doesn't occur with either Windows 2000
> (Pentium 4 2 Ghz 256 RAM ) or a MAC (for example, I
> tried with  I-tunes or with Audio file player in
> Bidule_mac version or uploading a loop on
> sooperlooper track)
>
> My sound card is RME FF400 and I already updated the
> driver
>
> Thanks to anyone who can give me some suggestions
>
>
> **********
> Scopri la nuova Alice Mail!
> 1 GB di spazio con antivirus, antispam e fino a 2 GB
> di allegati.
>
> Registrati GRATIS su
>
http://registra.rossoalice.alice.it/registra/basic= /entratabasic.do?entryPoint=3Dfooter
>


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


      = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________
Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

------_=_NextPart_001_01C85752.5F5CB98A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 10:10:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CEEE3BECD; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GNZwDKA2kc70RfhNCOX/km1Q6R08ObhKfY3O15VsIB4=; b=Phf/S3pfuoxmWc2ngI3aRbXHDTIl+D1ZVxM/gJqXoFs2JOR70hUX/mz/lBSkvAWYE0JtaIVtxv26PBUoEca8dv9nlwRFYM8wKK7TbK9QKHPlVLQ/IPmUE+BIt9ZpO6zkLc6F0LlbtwsapPx+HGKaeGLoiB1tEO853pnR9iIziV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wizKkVJ1McsCjJyeTbWSoZ6pkzLyT8BmB5oyiAdokVo9qhOSUNgnW+CNDruo8rXaC9XqVF+zZdkIrSguvdeEBts7X025lXG808gXr8sEb+ck7CC38Du0wHxTlTLhnK7ybzNhgDln0cmN6dCxRDTUVpxNwy3ag2l4Y28PWCgUaRA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:10:40 +0200 From: "Panagiotis Melidis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Granulator "stompbox"??? In-Reply-To: <200801141418.m0EEI81j007721@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8499_20010230.1200391840594" References: <200801141418.m0EEI81j007721@post.webmailer.de> Resent-Message-ID: <0v8gKD.A.mGE.haIjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:10:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8499_20010230.1200391840594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I suppose you are talking about the grain shifter effect right? Has anybody tried it on KP3? there is a simplified version in Mini Kaoss Pad. Is it worth checking? My main problem always is that, considering that im not such a great intrument player, i could use some random granular activity on the sub out of my RC 50. Lets say i have a beat on phrase one, melody stuff goin on phrase 2 and my voice on phrase 3. I could use the granulators on phrase one or two for pseudo random sounds. My sp404 has some glitch effects that ara quite useful, but a granulator generator would be a revelation! So if anyone has experience of KP3 or MiniKP, can he share it please?? Thanks a lot! Panagiotis Melidis myspace.com/larrygus 2008/1/14, rs@moinlabs.de : > > > Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled > upon such a hardware effect? > > I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it > is a part of a multi effect > > From the top of my head: EDP with loop4, Kaoss Pad III, Nord Modular G2. > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_8499_20010230.1200391840594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I suppose you are talking about the grain shifter effect right? Has anybody tried it on KP3? there is a simplified version in Mini Kaoss Pad. Is it worth checking?

My main problem always is that, considering that im not such a great intrument player, i could use some random granular activity on the sub out of my RC 50.

Lets say i have a beat on phrase one, melody stuff goin on phrase 2 and my voice on phrase 3.
I could use the granulators on phrase one or two for pseudo random sounds. My sp404 has some glitch effects that ara quite useful, but a granulator generator would be a revelation!

So if anyone has experience of KP3 or MiniKP, can he share it please??


Thanks a lot!

Panagiotis Melidis
myspace.com/larrygus

2008/1/14, rs@moinlabs.de <rs@moinlabs.de>:
> Is there any possibility any kindman around here to had ever stumbled upon such a hardware effect?
> I mean, have you ever saw a granulator that isn't software? Even if it is a part of a multi effect

>From the top of my head: EDP with loop4, Kaoss Pad III, Nord Modular G2.

             Rainer


------=_Part_8499_20010230.1200391840594-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 12:39:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8378F3BED6; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:36:28 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-reply-to: <30533424.1200272170119.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478CA8CC.40107@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0801131530y524b8283vfa0286f0d942cd90@mail.gmail.com> <30533424.1200272170119.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Mark Smart wrote: > Bill, I believe the Anderton unit you are talking about is called the > Quadrafuzz. Absolutely and available from PAiA, too! > I think hex distortion is pretty cool, too. Sounds like Queen. A while > back we got into a discussion/argument about this on the jazz guitar > newsgroup and I made some recordings with my Roland VG-8's hex fuzz to > show how it sounds very different from regular fuzz: > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/guitarsounds/VG8/HexFuzz.html I'd like to hear "#6. Tritone interval, using pedal to fade between regular and hex distortion" with the hex part where each string goes through its own speaker! Six channel guitar must rule! Each string through its own Marshall stack!!! (Yikes.) > A useful tool for this kind of application is the RMC fanout box: > http://www.rmcpickup.com/fanoutbox.html I knew that someone would beat me to market on that idea! Imagine each string feeding its own looper! :) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 13:01:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35A33BEDB; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:58:38 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Hey ;) In-reply-to: <14556042.1200273392795.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478CADFE.7050209@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <14556042.1200273392795.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > http://www.hi5.com/register/x2lNp?inviteId=A_ae4647c_n9R414Oskwl182740092 Ouch. YANS. (Yet Another Networking Site.) I'm already at these netorking and various other websites: http://soundscapes.us/bill http://myspace.com http://billfox.blogspot.com http://isound.com/profile/ultramusicman http://ultramusicman.bebo.com http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l296/ultramusicman http://discogs.com/artist/Bill+Fox http://members.soundclick.com/ultramusicman http://youtube.com/ultramusicman http://last.fm/user/ultramusicman http://facebook.com/profile.php?id=545615429 And just one of my five bands is at: http://pinnacleband.com http://myspace.com/pinnaclegroup http://tinyurl.com/2ef8qf (iTunes) http://cdbaby.com/group/pinnacleband http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinnacleband http://pabands.com/banddetail.php?band_id=1269 http://northjerseymusic.com/bands.php?bandid=832 http://ubl.com/pinnacle http://jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=35447&adv=1&display=links http://soundscapes.us/afterglow/resources/local.html#BANDS http://theconcertchannel.com/ArtistDetail.asp?artist_id=834& http://isound.com/pinnacle_pa http://isound.com/pinnacle_pinnacle2 http://pinnacleband.bebo.com http://soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=662398 http://dc-soar.org/disp2.php?view=artists&select=P http://reverbnation.com/pinnacle http://last.fm/music/Pinnacle/Meld http://last.fm/music/Pinnacle (All bands called Pinnacle) My sheet of paper where I write down the login information for all these sites has grown into a frelling phonebook... of the size needed for a small metropolitan area! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 13:32:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19863BEDD; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=FuiIAI8jBM1MEpt54t7tRoVYiJna4itKfOe6sggEM1U=; b=R27M80TmU09WeJ2r/jWzKeeea++r3OZljU4QXFBxjywvZ29S1vaMQoOzTnhrT1wAc9lhjq7uJ0RbPzyZYkBnmVrZUIz08WZ/LFs8G1YO+WuVcsiCeYaa+fm//AbXvjnlKbAvWEbzMXRPXSwhpwdEbCbXxvnD5r80wmW6YKns23E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HQC3zuhLjG34lMd0EfdqAzTFDPM5YsFwiv+Xl5jm2275Gi5Q0ccnCNIpfxPLdX/3sAA02t3KqCzdA/OdvQpBrh5lnuj0PvUnki+syI/+kiACNdybyiYMd7eL1tRrjms++EiNfZlb8oPXbjimwiQ7IzfgR+cC2BuQbXjtTiEPS58= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801150532w20be61fl4463608f48852a32@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:32:43 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Online social networking services, excuse for spam (was: Re: Hey ;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <4yN8JD.A.OJD.8XLjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:32:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 15, 2008 1:58 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > > http://www.hi5.com/register/x2lNp?inviteId=A_ae4647c_n9R414Oskwl182740092 > Ouch. YANS. (Yet Another Networking Site.) I'm apologizing once again for causing that SPAM by mistake! Sorry guys, I just clicked the wrong button and the damn Hi5 sent out an "invitation" in my name to every poor soul in my goddamned address book!!! I feel bad about this because I don't use these web browser based social networking services much at all. In fact I disabled all functions of FaceBook except for the direct messaging. Need to have a life you know, need to work and need to direct time to people I care for. So please, every one that received that call (I call it spam) don't answer it! I will delete my Hi5 account soon, but I needed to research that service for working purposes. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 14:47:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56CE3BED8; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:42:03 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: R: Crackle during playback In-reply-to: <9824573.1200386650861.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478CC63B.9000806@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <129380.23368.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9824573.1200386650861.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Milco. My friend is having the same problem. Perhaps this will help him. Cheers, Bill milco_montagna@alice.it wrote: > > I don't know if someone may be interested but I have solved the > problem. The regular intervals indicate some kind of system > background activity that disturbs the FW bus. I have disable the > wireless LAN and the crackle is disappeared. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 15:04:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43FA83BECD; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5CF173ED-3A21-4F00-8C3A-5930FD1A0F65@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: OT: tonefactor.com? Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:05:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:04:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm trying to track down some boutique guitar effects pedals. Does anyone have any experience with tonefactor.com? Are they reputable? Do I want to be giving them my credit card number? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 15:06:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356C53BED9; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:05:44 -0500 From: "William Hardy" Subject: RE: tonefactor.com? In-reply-to: <5CF173ED-3A21-4F00-8C3A-5930FD1A0F65@baymoon.com> To: Message-id: <00b301c85788$1b501120$51f03360$@net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AchXh+HEKPL+G5I6Tz63Tt/x3qtOZAAABcnA References: <5CF173ED-3A21-4F00-8C3A-5930FD1A0F65@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:06:02 +0000 (UTC) I have ordered a few items from them and found them to be fast and reliable. Excellent. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: tonefactor.com? I'm trying to track down some boutique guitar effects pedals. Does anyone have any experience with tonefactor.com? Are they reputable? Do I want to be giving them my credit card number? Thanks. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 17:29:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3853BED2; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nWO8PPuPIjCRJgzLUZooYNfso+seOU3qPzzW0eFGfjw=; b=lYfCcdGfexLMiQjlx/1Ympqu1JKtj3TGsM3gGyVLf1eFC7jLszgx+960r5wJbBx/zu8Q+T++IZsdrh1Mg4GWmibvpEsv4nn9YM5BQVtlLFAuF0zQOQGHI7FsvEXfYjPK32jkWm1T9sflz9Bi1wbjasalhsiRYMByNJZPQ64oIUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fg3NB0osyzi5DhaALwOHD4mpXbFVKFwsoraE7zMV9HvuYumpuwaNVYhBGUwklcHTazj9nzy+PkMLHTmse1P9iQVTTtBaQpN8jMCZSFauWAfhf2DIs3YLvsdzOs+NeqXihmfmC5btsnSkJx+fUHNmZ+eAoxYQ0mzfqjeFG3oXjPA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:29:34 -0600 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: tonefactor.com? In-Reply-To: <5CF173ED-3A21-4F00-8C3A-5930FD1A0F65@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2317_26836983.1200418174726" References: <5CF173ED-3A21-4F00-8C3A-5930FD1A0F65@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:29:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2317_26836983.1200418174726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The guy that runs it is an e-friend of mine. Very trustworthy, great guy, and great customer service. Highly recommended. On Jan 15, 2008 9:05 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I'm trying to track down some boutique guitar effects pedals. Does > anyone have any experience with tonefactor.com? Are they reputable? > Do I want to be giving them my credit card number? > > Thanks. > Mark > > ------=_Part_2317_26836983.1200418174726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The guy that runs it is an e-friend of mine.  Very trustworthy, great guy, and great customer service.  Highly recommended.

On Jan 15, 2008 9:05 AM, Mark Hamburg < mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
I'm trying to track down some boutique guitar effects pedals. Does
anyone have any experience with tonefactor.com? Are they reputable?
Do I want to be giving them my credit card number?

Thanks.
Mark


------=_Part_2317_26836983.1200418174726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 17:57:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CF073BEE7; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NpLH5ZjU0wutJ/vQDumdhN3D3Rxpn8MnQeII2iJ7bs4=; b=ecYe57vFJAArtcDVoB3aB7XSsW0MIRHI+6bn2ymZQWoMICtO+j81n8Tv50IU2zyHF9sMZaa/CG9m4qc5iAGHkYXZM5ETqZHZ03fW28Rzg2rIOBUAalGB3huXfOk5mtyIdjyN6OZi8R79+EbYMtfsLZSr01ZCGLC7kBeYvDopGvg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rmaLMMda+okq4z21ovnOTbBPoe9I2O/H0cdOZO2NWHk0cWQK+V3MEVinS4a0g0+hot16oFM+DoVGhfL5iUYqg8G0arTxugHVdCnZYzxfnpXYwExaUloC12ItK1YqN/v0KRvvHdPA1Bba01YS4wrlBlyon9FJNqKeFe7bZdceh8I= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:57:19 -0600 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hex Pickups {was: Re: OT: Check out the Robot Guitar!} In-Reply-To: <478CA8CC.40107@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2444_26622098.1200419839337" References: <226376.98996.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <22440556.1200264327006.JavaMail.root@m05> <478A9BE3.8060400@soundscapes.us> <66f9cc1e0801131530y524b8283vfa0286f0d942cd90@mail.gmail.com> <30533424.1200272170119.JavaMail.root@m05> <478CA8CC.40107@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2444_26622098.1200419839337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This discussion would not be complete without noting that Mathias Grob was involved in the development of the Paradis polyphonic pickups, polyphonic distortion, and polyphonic subbass units. http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/InventE.htm ------=_Part_2444_26622098.1200419839337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This discussion would not be complete without noting that Mathias Grob was involved in the development of the Paradis polyphonic pickups, polyphonic distortion, and polyphonic subbass units. 

http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/InventE.htm
------=_Part_2444_26622098.1200419839337-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 19:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A14D63BED6; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:21:13 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1z5csH4Z3CXHYB2cXRq3gNvb8HbXz1AC4M3H4n921Yc8wOatZcO45bzgB6uhVwUyqwmkWnDZykJ+TCAHbZCX8ZrYr5EFWIYTqRoKwb8m7uuQTA4SK82jJFoPUpI0xqB3m6USgqlrdCakJuYlNWS8najMim8XAqUXHK6g/lb6B70=; X-YMail-OSG: PsWic2QVM1lZt8SJ9zS3EZNDZ.quWc0gnruXEFGAISKcRKL1Cza1pmwLcfdOIeGCacBBlIIXwQjZ_OwceYJMPD6o5SQLh0meB1guPcSdmQQOPpXvL3MdbGazMpCv1g-- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Pierce Subject: Thanks to those responding to my tapping query To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <336501.88590.qm@web53401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3gja_C.A.vFE.peQjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for the responses to my tapping question. I'm impressed by the knowledge on the forum and will be sticking around for more info. Tom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:13:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62B783BED0; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=ZuFZOYeqygFTz8KVDssTMEBmv+Uslg18BLwMJx3/agg=; b=P/N4tUUpyJgWbldEwg3F/DEH9ypaDqDhkmXEiJXexXcxtDzs7Y6ZEVQzC4fsXZb5buRho6M5055SannhLt8Dmry1mShJoadrUEVDScFiDx9gCPDjF5KLFVC2hLQjKtKFhfTFW+tW9ckZIV79RGy+ZAmmCGqpAMaNGyYktOzf4hU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dSlffSQggKzZksaNkB0I8jwd9MBngd2kHknvwYAZ0Db3r54OowpwT5Fecgx7Lx3tvjyRoPhaeiX2pwCzNwNgKrb7/LmVXZpB+ev94uu7F1zbJ8L+tTFX+LhO9pcz8tpdlrvyz+XE1ZSecS72m1911ggvpd4MJmRJBguJCASSxWI= Message-ID: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:13:37 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Looping Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3390_7634549.1200438817645" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3390_7634549.1200438817645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, regarding my final decision of what interface to buy, i would really apreciate if you can help me with one more question. I was thinking, instead of buying an entry-mid level firewire interface, going with a usb one (altough a good one). What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software package). The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? Or is it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are lots of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it recommending firewire interfaces). I would really apreciate if someone can clarify this for me. Very best to you all, Ariel (from Argentina). ------=_Part_3390_7634549.1200438817645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

regarding my final decision of what interface to buy, i would really apreciate if you can help me with one more question.

I was thinking, instead of buying an entry-mid level firewire interface, going with a usb one (altough a good one). 

What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software package).

The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? Or is it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are lots of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it recommending firewire interfaces). 

I would really apreciate if someone can clarify this for me.

Very best to you all, Ariel (from Argentina).
------=_Part_3390_7634549.1200438817645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C671B3BECC; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRFMOAQFQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Live Looping Interface Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:24:22 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c857cd$c280eb00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AchXzEVwqnD2tETATa2zkX5mb4BkIAAAT10A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:23:45 +0000 (UTC) > I was thinking, instead of buying an entry-mid level firewire interface, going with a usb one (altough a good one). Why that? > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more > attracting software package). There is (imo) one nice USB(2) audio interface, and that's the Marian UCON CX. The reason why it's the best one? Because it's USB2! Bandwidth is a problem with USB1.1, at least if you ever think about 24/96. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:35:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618263BEDB; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KKqE00Ps5spjsrp1v1nPvT3gS9iqpmIT26Vp7xFs/sw=; b=UQGi6oX5y7htSDjjm0EyquRsZYSvsqPkBz1PjqUTvJMMss7uy//azlMEQ9tWQKyftHjGckpi3r9V/8Trug36ilfFduluce78HftNtbQRG+DSlbu0vHdNDQpiscpQsfb1KD7a61vLiifBf3Gy2RwMnmXhA2Wfc51rKz3tncwYcs0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VO+8TDPLawEzSN9YdWkNfdD+VGFB3mK8tmrK51S8xymoQBPyv8cOujFoGPKvpqSy+uhwAVy4AJ+/mf5VAbVLweWTXApB/DsYvj+PIHokDPNc0EnRSldDSZokPAGINTmtWn9ro62j3p/dkaEj8crX3nLvL+5oJ6E7Fusj9489HdQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:35:42 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:35:44 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410 > (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software > package). > > The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? Or is > it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are lots > of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it > recommending firewire interfaces). Hi Ariel, I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini" you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine. It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs happened now and then. I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro Tools though. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:45:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ADC73BECD; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8/uk9mi9CSd07aCkXPPaPJS+B4jXf17HY/B54SjiSJg=; b=GmCO+iSUUALo1h4U/axGMJfkUtXUq7eBA0Nb+hgcd9ukajpTyg4llGa/ptnTjCPAmEARwVupUzUAwiPzRWnQQxcne6ahKPXn2FnsY87HUrs7HuIsjAMIdSFs2valBNjSwgmOXlpsnvo2slD8YtDk8aaJ1pviS0RoLxlUkQKjjoU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RMfEY/hqknMdd0xVTZklf/TPmlaQDYdX7C3HsUPGMIjSTyinKb+LuqScTp9X+cmckzvAEmXpAYADT+uSZE+I0Qww65oknEIN7qe6DYgHHtS7KkOo+vx8MErf2tDMI3X7MYE4hZYBNaRKiiNJse7UIO4FK/zU3QB+/r+B+NKc+1M= Message-ID: <7bf141790801151545g24d74581wd4bdaad578eb2310@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:45:48 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3438_11227203.1200440748603" References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:45:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3438_11227203.1200440748603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Per. That's the problem, i would record on Pro Tools but that's not for live use (what it is my main concern). Thanks again. On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire > 410 > > (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software > > package). > > > > The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? > Or is > > it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are > lots > > of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it > > recommending firewire interfaces). > > > Hi Ariel, > > I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini" > you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine. > It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it > sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into > it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It > worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many > tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the > recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When > testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping > applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs > happened now and then. > > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro > Tools though. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_3438_11227203.1200440748603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Per. That's the problem, i would record on Pro Tools but that's not for live use (what it is my main concern).

Thanks again.


On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:


> What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410
> (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software
> package).
>
> The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? Or is
> it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are lots
> of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it
> recommending firewire interfaces).


Hi Ariel,

I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini"
you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine.
It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it
sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into
it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It
worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many
tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the
recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When
testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping
applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs
happened now and then.

I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with
Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would
not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro
Tools though.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_3438_11227203.1200440748603-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:48:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA7283BEE0; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GtD+IZJNo6fr2g89prsHwfePLWRBB6d+rBuTU0s350c=; b=mT8brWuQY9D2IfxINcg2QZFDiN8G6GtdGlEdRuJYbuNPbDuNbyZMbjp1Oopzgxg/SPWl8+0G+9W2/zQSDjUJXUegv5JL38kdpnYFZZqxF5WgSKe+NxvYCbZjXBfiL++R8ePKtLpcHUkZKPc7CklcMfTRYWOsjbltUI25PtiBqes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b+preiCiDmZ6WYZMkliKVTPytGskmAzfesSVzHJO51PmDr3MOyrBksSS/W3MXdCyy85m/tUS7DPj1fO4DhcNjaXEGJfIJjgojFv0T9lAMLbt4u3NL65h8l+gh0lhD5nKKZXGgiF/fagmbChgWGH8F4QQhCW2500ypHwcX8UCX4s= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801151548r5f89ce10j22c771e0e6700a75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:48:54 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801151545g24d74581wd4bdaad578eb2310@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> <7bf141790801151545g24d74581wd4bdaad578eb2310@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-RxL-D.A.juF.nZUjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:48:55 +0000 (UTC) The applications I tested the M-Box 2 Mini on, where it did not deliver clear audio, was Ableton Live, Cubase LE, Logic 7 and Mobius (Logic only on Mac and Mobisu only on Windows). I forgot to write that. per On Jan 16, 2008 12:45 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > Thanks Per. That's the problem, i would record on Pro Tools but that's not > for live use (what it is my main concern). > > Thanks again. > > > > On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > > > > > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire > 410 > > > (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software > > > package). > > > > > > The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1? > Or is > > > it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are > lots > > > of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it > > > recommending firewire interfaces). > > > > > > Hi Ariel, > > > > I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini" > > you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine. > > It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it > > sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into > > it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It > > worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many > > tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the > > recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When > > testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping > > applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs > > happened now and then. > > > > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with > > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would > > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro > > Tools though. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 15 23:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B84363BEEA; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RfejkyqexJ3yPbmhZm1MTr4N8ujLLGAQSHicdCSWlKY=; b=wrgSAX2gfjDtGSijubVcWpJtZXmuP1d5Uq43VNXjN+C7oY3jWurTZT+pSDyDsaQbpos9xUpYCDFHLHUR6Tjnvh4pYMUkN0IbXVU0XH2IGXZ3a8rQvwvcOGGWqS+k9WqFpi618FXJ1OESbFfvmXh+nZeB4FF9doxNuHvyia4Y3aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wFMiD/QWwcjmY64PiCkdBK/Nf93xbGap/Y5JO4GI/B8q6Q8zESXbCAMJV2IU+/OpXI8202P6lJB2UylPisWbjq52tYxmDr4DTMUbCLFMkKIjSyJwIMyNw1/e2hm+tnpvyVwbk0atxOQUhlxZY5N/uqkWCsgRp5a3ZYrA6/IJQAs= Message-ID: <7bf141790801151542l1ed3c69dx3c0b0eae6d9173e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:42:40 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <000601c857cd$c280eb00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3425_31822548.1200440560320" References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <000601c857cd$c280eb00$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <3ykceC.A.DzF.xaUjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:50:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3425_31822548.1200440560320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In that case Rainer, i think i'm going with the Firebox you originally talked about. Do you prefere this instead of the FW410 from M-Audio? Thanks for your response. On Jan 15, 2008 8:24 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > I was thinking, instead of buying an entry-mid level firewire > interface, going with a usb one (altough a good one). > > Why that? > > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a > Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more > > attracting software package). > > There is (imo) one nice USB(2) audio interface, and that's the Marian UCON > CX. The reason why it's the best one? Because it's USB2! > Bandwidth is a problem with USB1.1, at least if you ever think about > 24/96. > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_3425_31822548.1200440560320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In that case Rainer, i think i'm going with the Firebox you originally talked about. Do you prefere this instead of the FW410 from M-Audio?

Thanks for your response. 

On Jan 15, 2008 8:24 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>       I was thinking, instead of buying an entry-mid level firewire
interface, going with a usb one (altough a good one).

Why that?

>       What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a
Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more
>       attracting software package).

There is (imo) one nice USB(2) audio interface, and that's the Marian UCON
CX. The reason why it's the best one? Because it's USB2!
Bandwidth is a problem with USB1.1, at least if you ever think about 24/96.

       Rainer


------=_Part_3425_31822548.1200440560320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 00:00:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B1F3BECA; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=934DvakbPUU7/V7FeWDxgfkaMd/QBMpEheKoU9uNHyg=; b=tdLTpsnDWPBahh9HVh5uP1U0R/Xf4Y/3ITIsoUSoVu3cJe+1eS9HLSl3MEf6Z0a7ZVkmrgpXkQ4J6FIPa/JtvidN/D9bZ1cWx+sQVCQmPLEUzSiruB0GnA4ysPIbAwNhrSJ5Hf7PcW9RTBoxkQFtrVEdxcEAolt0MZleYVllPLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FbeaVFLR+gNaSD3KSPGoLVDVLVgSsFfI6yKIUCrhswHwQRX2zCdmU3oDdxbFakPGxnjVfjy6KEaXA4kjzWOWJoCvIieogI2o8FoYmce/c+3bCGZtEkz3YtyNpnmoP1f0XHwHolbX9X/3PpbyKpIZ7W4PQtucSF/sczTU3vcRJAM= Message-ID: <7bf141790801151600x45cd9364w6b6704532c5f7c06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:00:40 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801151548r5f89ce10j22c771e0e6700a75@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3470_27864756.1200441640982" References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> <7bf141790801151545g24d74581wd4bdaad578eb2310@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151548r5f89ce10j22c771e0e6700a75@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7oXBzD.A.9BG.tkUjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:00:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3470_27864756.1200441640982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Finally Per, as i asked Rainer, any recommendation between the Firebox, FW410 or the Saffire (LE or not)? All this for live use with a Macbook. Thanks. On Jan 15, 2008 8:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > The applications I tested the M-Box 2 Mini on, where it did not > deliver clear audio, was Ableton Live, Cubase LE, Logic 7 and Mobius > (Logic only on Mac and Mobisu only on Windows). I forgot to write > that. > > per > > On Jan 16, 2008 12:45 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > Thanks Per. That's the problem, i would record on Pro Tools but that's > not > > for live use (what it is my main concern). > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a > Firewire > > 410 > > > > (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software > > > > package). > > > > > > > > The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb > 1.1? > > Or is > > > > it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead > are > > lots > > > > of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone > it > > > > recommending firewire interfaces). > > > > > > > > > Hi Ariel, > > > > > > I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini" > > > you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine. > > > It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it > > > sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into > > > it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It > > > worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many > > > tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the > > > recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When > > > testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping > > > applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs > > > happened now and then. > > > > > > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with > > > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would > > > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro > > > Tools though. > > > > > > -- > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > ------=_Part_3470_27864756.1200441640982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Finally Per, as i asked Rainer, any recommendation between the Firebox, FW410 or the Saffire (LE or not)? 

All this for live use with a Macbook.

Thanks.

On Jan 15, 2008 8:48 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
The applications I tested the M-Box 2 Mini on, where it did not
deliver clear audio, was Ableton Live, Cubase LE, Logic 7 and Mobius
(Logic only on Mac and Mobisu only on Windows). I forgot to write
that.

per

On Jan 16, 2008 12:45 AM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Per. That's the problem, i would record on Pro Tools but that's not
> for live use (what it is my main concern).
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
>  On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2008 12:13 AM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire
> 410
> > > (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software
> > > package).
> > >
> > > The question is, it is true that for one input is enough with usb 1.1?
> Or is
> > > it for us, loopers, that what the interface has to support instead are
> lots
> > > of channels running together? (and for that reason is that everyone it
> > > recommending firewire interfaces).
> >
> >
> > Hi Ariel,
> >
> > I had a M-Box 2 Mini (not sure it's the same as the "M-Box Mini"
> > you're talking about) for a while to test and review it in a magazine.
> > It communicates over USB 1.1 and I was really surprised that it
> > sounded ok. No glitches at all in the audio when I played guitar into
> > it and had the sound go back out through the interface (to PA). It
> > worked very well for recording in Pro Tools. I could record many
> > tracks and record while listening to both my live instrument and the
> > recorded material through the interface. But that was Pro Tools. When
> > testing the M-Box 2 Mini with other DAW applications and looping
> > applications the sound was not clear any more. Glitches and drop-outs
> > happened now and then.
> >
> > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with
> > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would
> > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro
> > Tools though.
> >
> > --
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> > www.looproom.com (international)
> >
> >
>
>



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


------=_Part_3470_27864756.1200441640982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 00:05:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1604B3BEF0; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINPN88/sw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Live Looping Interface Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 01:06:21 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c857d3$a013d770$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7bf141790801151542l1ed3c69dx3c0b0eae6d9173e7@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AchX0Vz+wlA3sM/WSca1Ng74Cia0OAAAHhoA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) > In that case Rainer, i think i'm going with the Firebox you originally talked about. Do you prefere this instead of the FW410 from > M-Audio? I'm not qualified to say that; I never used the FW410. I have a lot of experience with the Firebox and can say a lot of positive things, and a few let-downs, two of which are: * must sync to external S/PDIF when using one * no SPS supplied (e.g. you need a different power supply when going to a country with different voltage) I was, however, surprised, that the Firebox earns really good props even on those super-spiffy forums like recording.org and gearslutz.com. One thing I don't like about the FW410 is that it doesn't have analogue level control for the main outs (which may or may not disturb you - when at a live venue, I usually prefer going into the amplifier directly instead of running through a mixer first. Some of those power amps don't have level control. When controlling levels with a digital control, you loose converter resolution etc. etc.). Another thing is it doesn't have balanced outputs (don't like that for mostly the same reason). Both of these were the reason I didn't look at the FW410 in the first place. Feature-wise, let me try to do a comparison (in case of the FW410, just coming from the specs): FW410 Firebox Mic/Inst In 2 2 Line in 2 2 Line Out 8 6 bal. in X bal. out X 192kHz out X SPDIF coax X X SPDIF opt X headph out 2 1 max. gain 66 72 MIDI I/O 1 1 You be the judge of that - for your typical live application, there's most probably nothing that rules out one of those (safe perhaps for the balanced outputs). Summarizingly, I can say I can recommend the Firebox for what it's for: as a small audio interface for live or mobile project studio applications, with some professional features. Hope that helps, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 00:11:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7DD63BEF5; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AdRoc2zxKatfxptf23tRYS7pMDNNvCgGRTCTwSkPvB4=; b=bBvGH1roG5ruWYo1N7HWL0DaKk7XyuPuisKaa8kZ/nmzoH9pSr0cjdpLkJ8C4T45sncvkM8iWCuKy01eu5k32DS4bzeUNNK+PoZTk2btQpPAkKuhv93wpMQtNAPZ9lGakGxb/sWiamDyd6yIoZMdVIllhEO5yRu1GSPkg7NkZpE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bq4a4lgWOjnP8e0MwJAy50RRz8jDhFhAA6usRrudtcjdhxxE60eS2t8AMwG3naryc9Zg2OY/hEtBprBSkPlxVo/iP2W8FPaPfZGNsfyayQdWbN2OO0s8j/zc3g1NPFeZrwlD59v5AqOO3BAPbFdRFSnWXCfP6rlY9kgzSXUJq/w= Message-ID: <7bf141790801151611q40d3f2a1sda5888e7372595c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:11:50 -0300 From: "Ariel Rzezak" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <000901c857d3$a013d770$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3494_29091480.1200442310062" References: <7bf141790801151542l1ed3c69dx3c0b0eae6d9173e7@mail.gmail.com> <000901c857d3$a013d770$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:11:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3494_29091480.1200442310062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Rainer, i really, really apreciate that. If it's not asking to much. A final question, what do you think about the Saffire (compared with these ones). I really dont want to bother you so, i'll understand if you're tired of these questions! Very best, Ariel. On Jan 15, 2008 9:06 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > > In that case Rainer, i think i'm going with the Firebox you originally > talked about. Do you prefere this instead of the FW410 from > > M-Audio? > > I'm not qualified to say that; I never used the FW410. I have a lot of > experience with the Firebox and can say a lot of positive things, and a > few > let-downs, two of which are: > * must sync to external S/PDIF when using one > * no SPS supplied (e.g. you need a different power supply when > going > to a country with different voltage) > > I was, however, surprised, that the Firebox earns really good props even > on > those super-spiffy forums like recording.org and gearslutz.com. > > One thing I don't like about the FW410 is that it doesn't have analogue > level control for the main outs (which may or may not disturb you - when > at > a live venue, I usually prefer going into the amplifier directly instead > of > running through a mixer first. Some of those power amps don't have level > control. When controlling levels with a digital control, you loose > converter > resolution etc. etc.). Another thing is it doesn't have balanced outputs > (don't like that for mostly the same reason). Both of these were the > reason > I didn't look at the FW410 in the first place. > > Feature-wise, let me try to do a comparison (in case of the FW410, just > coming from the specs): > > FW410 Firebox > Mic/Inst In 2 2 > Line in 2 2 > Line Out 8 6 > bal. in X > bal. out X > 192kHz out X > SPDIF coax X X > SPDIF opt X > headph out 2 1 > max. gain 66 72 > MIDI I/O 1 1 > > You be the judge of that - for your typical live application, there's most > probably nothing that rules out one of those (safe perhaps for the > balanced > outputs). > > Summarizingly, I can say I can recommend the Firebox for what it's for: as > a > small audio interface for live or mobile project studio applications, with > some professional features. > > Hope that helps, > > Rainer > > ------=_Part_3494_29091480.1200442310062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Rainer,

i really, really apreciate that. If it's not asking to much. A final question, what do you think about the Saffire (compared with these ones).

I really dont want to bother you so, i'll understand if you're tired of these questions!

Very best, Ariel.

On Jan 15, 2008 9:06 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
> In that case Rainer, i think i'm going with the Firebox you originally
talked about. Do you prefere this instead of the FW410 from
> M-Audio?

I'm not qualified to say that; I never used the FW410. I have a lot of
experience with the Firebox and can say a lot of positive things, and a few
let-downs, two of which are:
       * must sync to external S/PDIF when using one
       * no SPS supplied (e.g. you need a different power supply when going
to a country with different voltage)

I was, however, surprised, that the Firebox earns really good props even on
those super-spiffy forums like recording.org and gearslutz.com.

One thing I don't like about the FW410 is that it doesn't have analogue
level control for the main outs (which may or may not disturb you - when at
a live venue, I usually prefer going into the amplifier directly instead of
running through a mixer first. Some of those power amps don't have level
control. When controlling levels with a digital control, you loose converter
resolution etc. etc.). Another thing is it doesn't have balanced outputs
(don't like that for mostly the same reason). Both of these were the reason
I didn't look at the FW410 in the first place.

Feature-wise, let me try to do a comparison (in case of the FW410, just
coming from the specs):

               FW410                   Firebox
Mic/Inst In     2                       2
Line in 2                       2
Line Out        8                       6
bal. in                         X
bal. out                                X
192kHz out      X
SPDIF coax      X                       X
SPDIF opt       X
headph out      2                       1
max. gain       66                      72
MIDI I/O        1                       1

You be the judge of that - for your typical live application, there's most
probably nothing that rules out one of those (safe perhaps for the balanced
outputs).

Summarizingly, I can say I can recommend the Firebox for what it's for: as a
small audio interface for live or mobile project studio applications, with
some professional features.

Hope that helps,

       Rainer


------=_Part_3494_29091480.1200442310062-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 03:01:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8060C3BEF3; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:58:25 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: AW: Live Looping Interface In-reply-to: <5171887.1200439759044.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478D72D1.5060403@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <5171887.1200439759044.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:01:29 +0000 (UTC) > > What i'm trying to say is, i'm deciding between an Mbox 2 and a Firewire 410 (and i think, i would like the mbox better, more attracting software package). I have the M-Audio Firewire 410 that I use with my Dell Inspiron laptop running WinXP. Sound quality is great. I use energyXT as a VST host for softsynths and effects. I also run an acoustic guitar and my Faux Guitar® through it at the same time, although I can't play too many things all at once with only two hands! :-) M-Powered Pro Tools is supposed to work with the M-Audio interfaces. My bandmate has the 1814 and both M-Powered Pro Tools and SONAR 6 Pro work great with it. Cheers, Bill Faux Guitar® is my terminology for running my bass through a Digitech Whammy to bring the pitch up an octave. The dry output of the Whammy feeds a Yamaha MagicStomp and my bass amp. The effect (pitch shifted) output of the Whammy feeds a footswitch to pass or block the signal to a guitar effects pedal and then feeds one of the analog inputs of the 410 which feeds the PA. When I want a "guitar" to play the bass line with me, I hit the footswitch. This frees the guitar player to do other things. We're a three piece so it's important not to tie up the guitar player with doubling the bass. From servizio@bancaroma.it Wed Jan 16 05:04:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2802 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:04:09 UTC Received: from uniteone.net (mail.uniteone.net [208.192.73.10]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993E83BEE7; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:04:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [86.105.47.220] by uniteone.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.22) id AF5505D8; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:18:45 -0600 From: "servizio@bancaroma.it" Subject: Comunicazione nr 91012 - Leggere attentamente Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:20:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200801151719625.SM03532@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 07:43:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 837D23BEC5; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: inteface with more than one input Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c85813$7ec9dac0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchX1Pxw7CtvCoo6Q5yvn4Cn5Y5SwwAPffAw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:43:37 +0000 (UTC) speaking about interfaces, I use an M-Audio Firewire 410 now but I would like to be able to record several (at least 2) stereo inputs concurrently (I use XP). I'd appreciate any recommendations Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 12:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FBA33BECC; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c6b9268d-c45d-4e48-94ac-5e0dd067d9f0_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.85.23] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Live Looping signal chain Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:36:30 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <63762.93862.qm@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4787B8A1.7060605@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801111224o59ba113bod5d5733f6c166f9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2008 12:36:30.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B933270:01C8583C] Resent-Message-ID: <7rJ2g.A.HfG.wqfjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:38:08 +0000 (UTC) --_c6b9268d-c45d-4e48-94ac-5e0dd067d9f0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a really interesting thread for me,=20 =20 I am just adding the final tweaks into the signal chain I hope to keep some= time (yer right) =20 my rather messy signal chain is far to complex to contemplate explining i= n text, I will try and post some pics to the flikr group later. =20 in terms of pre and post processing, all my effects are pre edps but I am t= hinking of taking the outs from both m edps (one for vocal one for all othe= r instruments) and summing them into the two inputs of my kaoss pad mini, t= his would give me a great range on interesting ways to end songs rather the= n just the --1234 stop or the volume fade that i currantly use. =20 > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:24:47 +0100> From: perboysen@gmail.com> To: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain> >= On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel Dingeldein wrote:> > G= ot a couple of questions.> >> > 1. When you guys do live looping on stage, = where in the signal chain do> > you place your looper? I have a JamMan and = am wanting to incorporate it.> >> > 2. For those of you that use 2 loopers,= do you use a AB switch and put> > the loopers on different paths or do you= keep them on the same signal route?> >> > Thanks,> > Daniel> > > 1. I like= to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effects> as part of the= sound I'm working with.> > 2. I simply split the signal to all loopers. Th= e loopers I put into> Record mode records, the others don't. I on signal sp= lit bypasses the> loopers and goes directly to the output, since all looper= s are set to> "wet" mode.> > I'm not saying this way is better, I just find= it easy to handle for> the music I like to make.> > -- > Greetings from Sw= eden> > Per Boysen> www.boysen.se (Swedish)> www.looproom.com (internationa= l)>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml= --_c6b9268d-c45d-4e48-94ac-5e0dd067d9f0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a really interesting thread for me,
 
I am just adding the final tweaks into the signal chain I hope to keep some= time (yer right)
 
my  rather messy  signal chain is far to complex to contemplate e= xplining in text, I will try and post some pics to the flikr group later.  
in terms of pre and post processing, all my effects are pre edps but I am t= hinking of taking the outs from both m edps (one for vocal one for all othe= r instruments) and summing them into the two inputs of my kaoss pad mini, t= his would give me a great range on interesting ways to end songs rather the= n just the --1234 stop or the volume fade that i currantly use.
 

> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:24:47 +0100
> From: perboysen@gmai= l.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: = Live Looping signal chain
>
> On Jan 11, 2008 7:42 PM, Daniel = Dingeldein <dgd0460@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Got a couple of qu= estions.
> >
> > 1. When you guys do live looping on stag= e, where in the signal chain do
> > you place your looper? I have = a JamMan and am wanting to incorporate it.
> >
> > 2. For= those of you that use 2 loopers, do you use a AB switch and put
> &g= t; the loopers on different paths or do you keep them on the same signal ro= ute?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Daniel
>
>=
> 1. I like to put the loopers as the last units so I can loop effe= cts
> as part of the sound I'm working with.
>
> 2. I si= mply split the signal to all loopers. The loopers I put into
> Record= mode records, the others don't. I on signal split bypasses the
> loo= pers and goes directly to the output, since all loopers are set to
> = "wet" mode.
>
> I'm not saying this way is better, I just find= it easy to handle for
> the music I like to make.
>
> -= -
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.bo= ysen.se (Swedish)
> www.looproom.com (international)
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Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! = --_c6b9268d-c45d-4e48-94ac-5e0dd067d9f0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 13:06:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4D393BEB9; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012901c85840$971bec80$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <002c01c85813$7ec9dac0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: inteface with more than one input Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:06:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) I use an RME Fireface 400 http://www.rme-audio.com/english/firewire/ff400.htm Fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: inteface with more than one input > speaking about interfaces, I use an M-Audio Firewire 410 now but I would > like to be able to record several (at least 2) stereo inputs concurrently > (I > use XP). I'd appreciate any recommendations > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: > 16/01/2008 9.01 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 13:19:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79FC23BEB2; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Tgrnk/9zK5IlPEalCWuQtru3721EFnogIyXkNtURboI=; b=BS0hgy/wqYiNs1ykO+YRsZ0PAcPq1xcGJhmY/72cNGocEoG7EbZ0EeATuGXH3c6MEnJ7+7LGatoTilGzRU/A1pa644KZZvL5+gxRuPrVuV457zwP5e+nX6f8rcEZ+tNyrFVTZsB5HoDnLuTCcPOtdaNVchq3vWE31KeNedjjKjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L5U2lWtDl6v8pdJ/NbG/XhMhvUm7rnOz5Wkcq+WXUTxxZOzEl0kpGJpnaOMtZtuqoJzQNtJmRWBtzYe8WGdPRqqhjjCw0i6JUgG5HvVszDyr9DQIz028CsnuQqxRfV5d8UJP2+TxURIUf8BvYej6OX/ewO7kxeOaGYOQSsr0m0A= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:19:20 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inteface with more than one input In-Reply-To: <002c01c85813$7ec9dac0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25404_17554475.1200489560818" References: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <002c01c85813$7ec9dac0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:19:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25404_17554475.1200489560818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline audiofire2 does 4inx6out although one of the stereo inputs is coax s/pdif. raul. 2008/1/16, Michael Peters : > > speaking about interfaces, I use an M-Audio Firewire 410 now but I would > like to be able to record several (at least 2) stereo inputs concurrently > (I > use XP). I'd appreciate any recommendations > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_25404_17554475.1200489560818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline audiofire2 does 4inx6out although one of the stereo inputs is coax s/pdif.

raul.
2008/1/16, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:
speaking about interfaces, I use an M-Audio Firewire 410 now but I would
like to be able to record several (at least 2) stereo inputs concurrently (I
use XP). I'd appreciate any recommendations

Michael www.michaelpeters.de




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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 19:36:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6A83BECC; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 12690321/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CACPsjUc+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIrjQ X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:36:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: david torn review Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <478E5CB5.8618.2367629@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:36:33 +0000 (UTC) I've added a review of last night's Torn gig and some pics on the looping music forum under "live loops". If you'd like to join and contribute, that would be fantastic. Hope to put up a "from 3 feet away" video on youtube shortly! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 19:43:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9FA43BEB8; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0l1dD/inuw= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: FS: Fostex VR880 harddisc recorder Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:43:51 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c85878$1f2b4b70$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchYeB6zx3H1yJI5RwWB6QObShAbig== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, just clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found: A Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder. Important features: * 2, 4, or 8 track recording modes with a total of 24 virtual tracks * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality" * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out * MIDI IN/OUT allows for MIDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) and MIDI Machine Control (MMC) * internal IDE harddisk, external (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector for data storage * passive cooling * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60Hz * connector for punch in/out footswitch * wordlock connector (BNC) * comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of 120GB size according to fostex forum) * big LC backlit display This is a perfect companion for mobile or non-computer based studio recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the excellent Behringer ADA8000 or for those more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get a stand-alone multitrack recording solution, which is also perfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for those classical performance recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part of Fostex' more "advanced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the features of the big D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing functions and an excellent user interface. Another big plus is the great stability of these devices - unlike a computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch or whatever, so also make a good backup solution for a computer-based recording setup. Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and original set of documentation, but without original packing. This thing is already several years old, but, as they say, still looks like new. I actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. Please write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info! Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 19:53:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C861A3BEDB; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080116115347.2e2mbrb6ioogcock@webmail.mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:53:47 -0800 From: highhorse@mhorse.com To: nick@12testing.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: david torn review References: <478E5CB5.8618.2367629@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <478E5CB5.8618.2367629@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Alright, that was good bait, I've joined the forum. Great review! I'm envious...looking forward to the video. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I've added a review of last night's Torn gig and some pics on the > looping music forum under "live loops". If you'd like to join and > contribute, that would be fantastic. > > Hope to put up a "from 3 feet away" video on youtube shortly! > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 20:31:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304423BEB9; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3568 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:31:57 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=wXoeNJyXBZKgtTWzDGioz5yvxeYvI6zaGyS+trwfNzs=; b=u3OwbXAmkjNTzYWhJdARxPz4yR3q0AQzFvYJgvZKYo0qYHjLntkFMN/ImfsxfmAiRGOa4ogikn74CfebZ582CtqcSbQRMQpytqggsNKNiqrElusMSMYbOhfy5un3eNcox+8WhvbwOadehSMIExEaxOS0jXxdGBkuD3kWm1L8s84= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=weSP5EmMgXbAtNgRRUhlHp6xODYD46ia1cMl/AlT0AqSovbzN0t5S4eH71Q+oA+Hlid/yTIG7MsdSsGt9zWQEenNUK79mtKUqgjGsdnGzaSOrIyNOroLU75yM6VJqGzEnifi1xZkItKvQsJHcdT8N89Jrd10K0o30Qz2UUxfsIo= Message-ID: <44e368750801161132q24e0d553u36c11f84ffc876ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:32:28 -0600 From: "james fowler" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: efc-7 wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31625_30877815.1200511948806" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:31:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31625_30877815.1200511948806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline sorry if you guys don't do spam on the list, but it's been a while since i was on this list...anyhow, if anybody has an efc-7 that they want to get rid of, lemme know. just shoot me an email: twostroke@gmail.com i'm in the u.s., by the way. thanks! -jim ------=_Part_31625_30877815.1200511948806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline sorry if you guys don't do spam on the list, but it's been a while since i was on this list...anyhow, if anybody has an efc-7 that they want to get rid of, lemme know.  just shoot me an email: twostroke@gmail.com

i'm in the u.s., by the way.

thanks!

-jim
------=_Part_31625_30877815.1200511948806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 21:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0533BECA; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=qysqqJjA2++EfFEBbUqM2GxKrDvl3QW38SNBYUB5/Eg=; b=QJJYJQbp61VVaOX5defyunSkI62ikYdAO8d4gUUH1wSes389XlLqtUId1WXzrEKxooMnISCwxqlxhTaFXgLJt5RUPZnyiRvPiUVRQe4BuPAYuMRLxeV4G9vZRDD5KCoCquSNOFx5y0nM2BTs637HXjBOOEplsC31ZONEceNtHQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=N7oIKlC5W3QCQ3WyfccISnQUUVzW+ngIqO3LZZdi9EN2KVYJh2OmSpIZZX0BPyb9WShIA1wyMnAMG8QKxcy8Qz3xo6gElaI/JyIek00SeP8bbO9SA2Q2HUqpN5FxpGm3k+3Po6s13Ar3wQMHj5sPhhLzE9TK4WXaWIA3hW8syXg= Message-ID: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:45:32 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24360_30801107.1200519932544" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:45:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24360_30801107.1200519932544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following: Living Tradition Concertseries Jim Goodin /Harvey Reidshared bill (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min warm-up) 250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14. Saturday, January 19th. At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement booths and publisher, Godin, GHS and Mel Bay . Hope to bump into some of you on the list that I know or don't know. Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bayauthor in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them. I finished the book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel Bay's booth at the show. It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, DADGAD and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia. It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made by me instead of me), technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning. I recorded the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road Studiosin VT during 2003/2004. Though this publication and content has nothing to do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in open-tunings. I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest thing to birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work. Hope to see some of you at NAMM. Best Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_24360_30801107.1200519932544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following:
 
Jim Goodin/Harvey Reid shared bill (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min warm-up)
250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14.
Saturday, January 19th.
 
At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement booths and publisher, Godin, GHS and Mel Bay.  Hope to bump into some of you on the list that I know or don't know.
 
Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bay author in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them.  I finished the book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel Bay's booth at the show.  It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, DADGAD and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia.  It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made by me instead of me), technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning.  I recorded the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road Studios in VT during 2003/2004.  Though this publication and content has nothing to do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in open-tunings.  I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest thing to birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work.
 
Hope to see some of you at NAMM.
 
Best
 
Jim

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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_24360_30801107.1200519932544-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 22:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE55F3BECF; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k_yVtPiwG5YA:10 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=EvAc2NJfAAAA:8 a=wUJ9XRdNAAAA:8 a=a6oLPzx4AAAA:8 a=6U7-htZ-AAAA:8 a=KCVmX8HyAAAA:8 a=xAEii7aeAAAA:8 a=n8e5KHNiAAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=DPgOdzIHAAAA:8 a=s9ThSRKNAAAA:8 a=ZyaW2OnZgKFjq3q1_tYA:9 a=vIpU2HzbzqnvSg0uF0gA:7 a=yY7bS-9hYpYwEXglkU46_-oWcxwA:4 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=XigIGCpZsk0qpYG6YvwA:9 a=YlnF0W4cCkaQi8JI_e8A:7 a=PzIdHXIq-kH2pcvHQvUlKKyitGYA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:40:27 -0800 Message-ID: <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8584D.BCAD76F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AchYiSS60lXTbsk4TX+W9BTg20TAMQAB07gg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:40:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8584D.BCAD76F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats on the release of your book/CD combo Jim! I'll have to pick one up. Have a great time in Annaheim. ~Greg Williams www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:46 PM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following: Living Tradition Concert series Jim Goodin /Harvey Reid shared bill (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min warm-up) 250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14. Saturday, January 19th. At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement booths and publisher, Godin , GHS and Mel Bay . Hope to bump into some of you on the list that I know or don't know. Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bay author in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them. I finished the book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel Bay's booth at the show. It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, DADGAD and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia. It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made by me instead of me), technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning. I recorded the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road Studios in VT during 2003/2004. Though this publication and content has nothing to do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in open-tunings. I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest thing to birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work. Hope to see some of you at NAMM. Best Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8584D.BCAD76F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congrats on the release of your = book/CD combo Jim! I’ll have to pick one up.

Have a great time in = Annaheim.

~Greg = Williams

www.myspace.com/gre= gwilliamsguitarist

 

 

From: Jim = Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January = 16, 2008 1:46 PM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: NAMM/CA GigSpam: = Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay

 

For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following:

 

Jim Goodin/Harvey Reid shared bill = (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min = warm-up)

250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14.

Saturday, January 19th.

 

At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement = booths and publisher, Godin, GHS and Mel Bay.  Hope to bump into = some of you on the list that I know or don't know.

 

Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bay = author in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them.  I finished the = book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel Bay's booth at the show.  It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, DADGAD = and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia.  It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made = by me instead of me), technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning.  I recorded the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road = Studios in VT during 2003/2004.  Though this publication and content has = nothing to do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in open-tunings.  I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest = thing to birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work. =

 

Hope to see some of you at NAMM.

 

Best

 

Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com<= br> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jim= goodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.= com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace= .com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com<= /a>
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com,= Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com =

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8584D.BCAD76F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:06:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF0B3BEC5; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UPKdrHhp8SncM6DZZGYz+4NXbdMKq0KNLyQKPg/eEeE=; b=V/37NLjDLBuysSYzeMKvCQs0BUs/2IoSkj+rbvcGotLnlud/8ZndWtcfJ5QErGY5dBYWB0iLlOsivMTo5hkUFpUbRjPs1IMt/38d0nHPFdbc+sM0bsxdMvktJPJKGBkZt75ujQF3YoysHof/w6FNuC2ElzWoyskp763zVfcDfIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cS8OyYapf0sw7w+uZ5hiqAQNimaIYxNbHx7t7VPNaW7AG6mUKCdtSjBP0/0deXIjpjwEpg2QNaCRtsHRhuS/sMlmxsz3kpsx4UCHs/iiFhQkhzq4mz070YO/ppxLA4TK+T6vWNF/eXZ4rVF1Rs2Fe/Dx77nELw+doT/YnTBKebY= Message-ID: <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:06:03 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay In-Reply-To: <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24736_15771858.1200524763726" References: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:06:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24736_15771858.1200524763726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Greg thanks so much! I'll check out your My Space and add you to my network. Best and have a great new year Jim On Jan 16, 2008 5:40 PM, greg williams wrote: > Congrats on the release of your book/CD combo Jim! I'll have to pick one > up. > > Have a great time in Annaheim. > > ~Greg Williams > > www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:46 PM > *To:* loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel > Bay > > > > For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in > the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following: > > > > Living Tradition Concertseries > > Jim Goodin /Harvey Reidshared bill (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min > warm-up) > > 250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14. > > Saturday, January 19th. > > > > At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll > be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement booths and publisher, > Godin , GHS and > Mel Bay . Hope to bump into some of you on the > list that I know or don't know. > > > > Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bayauthor in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them. I finished the > book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel > Bay's booth at the show. It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, > DADGAD and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia. > It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made by me instead of me), > technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning. I recorded > the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road Studiosin VT during 2003/2004. Though this publication and content has nothing to > do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in > open-tunings. I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest thing to > birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work. > > > > Hope to see some of you at NAMM. > > > > Best > > > > Jim > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel > Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_24736_15771858.1200524763726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Greg thanks so much!  I'll check out your My Space and add you to my network.
 
Best and have a great new year
 
Jim

On Jan 16, 2008 5:40 PM, greg williams <gregorwilliams@comcast.net> wrote:

Congrats on the release of your book/CD combo Jim! I'll have to pick one up.

Have a great time in Annaheim.

~Greg Williams

www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist

 

 

From: Jim Goodin [mailto: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 1:46 PM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: NAMM/CA GigSpam: Jim Goodin Solo performance & new book on Mel Bay

 

For those at NAMM this year a heads-up I'll be performing (non-looping) in the area in Anaheim Saturday evening at the following:

 

Jim Goodin/Harvey Reid shared bill (technically I'm opening but it's a full set not a usual 20 min warm-up)

250 E. Center, Anaheim 7:30pm $14.

Saturday, January 19th.

 

At NAMM no vendor performances this year but on Sat/Sun (19th/20th) I'll be roving but hanging out some at my endorsement booths and publisher, Godin, GHS and Mel Bay.  Hope to bump into some of you on the list that I know or don't know.

 

Lastly newsworthy I became a Mel Bay author in 2001 when I got a contract to do a book for them.  I finished the book/CD in 2004 and it's finally out and should be on display at Mel Bay's booth at the show.  It's my spin on one of the open-tunings I use, DADGAD and is called DADGAD Encyclopedia.  It is a mix of thoughts, photographs (some made by me instead of me), technique and 15 songs that I wrote/or arranged in this tuning.  I recorded the accompanying CD at Will Ackerman's Imaginary Road Studios in VT during 2003/2004.  Though this publication and content has nothing to do with looping passing along for those who might be interested in open-tunings.  I am most excited about this accomplishment, closest thing to birthing a child as a male I think, meaning this period of work.

 

Hope to see some of you at NAMM.

 

Best

 

Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_24736_15771858.1200524763726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 16 23:11:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39653BECD; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 12767365/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAFsdjkc+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIriE X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:10:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: torn review Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <478E8EFB.20477.2FAD98D@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Sorry people, the list-server must have stripped off my signature with the urls - the forum is here http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com/index.cgi From refund@irs.gov Thu Jan 17 02:29:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1795 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:29:04 UTC Received: from mailgate.systems-support.co.uk (mailgate.systems-support.co.uk [83.104.96.185]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEED93BEA4; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.systems-support.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BD674FEA0; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:58:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.systems-support.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23525-08; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:58:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from User (euw0300174-pip.eu.verio.net [213.198.65.110]) by mailgate.systems-support.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C386A74FE9A; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:58:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "Internal Revenue Service" Subject: IRS Tax Refund Notification Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:58:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20080117015841.C386A74FE9A@mailgate.systems-support.co.uk> To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 02:46:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EF543BEA9; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:46:35 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for January 12, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <478EC18B.2060909@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:46:55 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/080112.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #123 January 12, 2008. On this program, I completed the special on E-dition electronic music magazine, published by Groove Unlimited. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Elektronische Going Underground E-dition #16 (Groove) Maschine] VA [Phochos] Introduction to the E-dition #16 (Groove) Moon VA [Australis] Paqta Kutemunqa E-dition #16 (Groove) VA [Frank Klare] Digitalic III E-dition #16 (Groove) VA [Ricochet Tuscan Sunset E-dition #16 (Groove) Gathering] VA [Free System Leicester Square New Worlds (AmbientLive) Projekt Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Elivia Melodey Undines Offering Terra Firma (none) Omar Akram Secret Journey Secret Journey (Real Music) Govinda From Your Mind Sound Sutras (Intentcity) Govinda Whispers Sound Sutras (Intentcity) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Project Creation Flying Thoughts Dawn on Pyther (Progrock) Project Creation I Am (The Restless Dawn on Pyther (Progrock) One) Tomas Bodin I I AM (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will begin a special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:02:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE4C3BECD; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <89addb76dfb691a14bc1c3852e4717c7@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: SEMI-OT NAMM QUEST REQUEST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:02:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, I don't know who all is going to NAMM this year - certainly the Walker boys and a few others here I'm sure. I am trying to find someone who can do me a favor and take on an assignment to give me the low-down on those new(ish) Mackie SRM150s. I run into two situations in the music stores I've been in in the last few months: either they don't stock it (and don't plan to) or they do (or did) and they just sold out a day or two before. As part of my on-going process of putting together a smaller (but still powerful) looping gig I have been scouring the web in search of hands-on (or ears-on) opinions of these tiny (but supposedly loud and hi-fi) personal monitors. If anyone who is reading this message finds themselves at NAMM in the next few days and also in the vicinity of the Mackie booth, please check out the SRM150s for me. I'm just trying to get an opinion from someone credible (as opposed to some annonymous "reviewer" at some retail website). What I really wish I could do is hear them for myself. But it doesn't look like that's going to be possible. At half the price and 1/4 the weight of a an SRM350 the specs make them seem mighty tempting. Add a similarly small subwoofer (like the M-AUDIO BX10S) and it could be just the system I've been looking for. And . . . if you think I'm crazy . . . that's okay . . . you can tell me that too. Cheers, Ted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:25:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8D83BEB9; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:25:45 UTC X-YMail-OSG: X8_bHgkVM1njb8bbinBogDdxdh18I_2afp0HAWfNp4SOIyNLVQbF4GdqHN5fXYcmDG5tz3a4AA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <478EC928.3090104@minds-eye.org> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:19:04 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SEMI-OT NAMM QUEST REQUEST References: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> <89addb76dfb691a14bc1c3852e4717c7@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <89addb76dfb691a14bc1c3852e4717c7@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:25:46 +0000 (UTC) > I am trying to find someone who can do me a favor and take on an > assignment to give me the low-down on those new(ish) Mackie SRM150s. > > I run into two situations in the music stores I've been in in the last > few months: either they don't stock it (and don't plan to) or they do > (or did) and they just sold out a day or two before. You could always just buy it from Musicians Friend and use the 45 day return policy (of course you pay for one way of shipping) but of course then they're your ears making the choice. Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 03:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C58F3BECA; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:27:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: inteface with more than one input In-reply-to: <14651541.1200469454315.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <478ECB3D.80208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <14651541.1200469454315.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > speaking about interfaces, I use an M-Audio Firewire 410 now but I would > like to be able to record several (at least 2) stereo inputs concurrently (I > use XP). I'd appreciate any recommendations > This is overkill for what you want but the M-Audio 1814 is only $100 more than the 410 with eight ins, iirc. Plus the lightpipe can be fed by a Behringer A-8000 for eight additional I/O at about $200. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 04:47:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E573BECA; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20080116001154.7E5F63BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <14651541.1200469454315.JavaMail.root@m05> <478ECB3D.80208@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <478ECB3D.80208@soundscapes.us> Subject: beatbearing Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:47:12 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c858c4$07d987b0$178c9710$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchYuUbLCTbIxKcPTla2QJDvQ3emWAACpSQA Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {BECA3860-51CB-43B5-B78F-202270EFFD6D} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: BPx4 B9Iy CTu5 Cq2T ECKO FKAj GGmH GvaF HRcS H1ED ITij JM2f JcS0 KEXc LWHA Lp0U;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{BECA3860-51CB-43B5-B78F-202270EFFD6D};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:46:57 GMT;YgBlAGEAdABiAGUAYQByAGkAbgBnAA== X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dde480db30000a839.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <6SYvQB.A.DGH.R3tjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Interesting prototype interface, http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/16/beatbearing-project-weds-ball-bearings-el egance-to-make-jams/ -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 11:17:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3D763BEC7; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:17:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <478F3931.9000409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <78D1rB.A.qy.3kzjHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:17:11 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk 2 from "Are You Sequenced?" on Revisited Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EST / GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 13:13:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2993BECA; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 732 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:13:45 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=u1LWxDeBoRAowV3s1PpVUvYu5jLBSyZFaJUonWH2xDKhtP8bkPYDI/O+gXsgLLqa/KDpqb9mZMda8dtpe93z0iIlaI1cG9j/Sz/86lcQ/Ek7LYDKS+tDkFEuMa+hFzbp4+HRRmU/lMsTz6Ipire/0EtZEcdDAsk5eE8WdFaDD+c= ; X-YMail-OSG: cfAW14wVM1mB6x.KWjDXMrsuTPshHDlDcnyetx1iCUPm0bPMsXx50yJToRfMXSUpHsi94AN5QAdwxo04nh7ltZmlBOiyLPu.tdl3fqE5d9y0TqBP6Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002301c85908$fc198340$6402a8c0@RUELLE> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Line 6 Spider Jam Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <9UTCW.A.ZXF.JS1jHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Line 6 will soon release a home/practice amp containing a "looping recorder with 14 minutes of capture capacity". Features: a.. 100 + Endless Jams created by pro rhythm sections b.. Looping recorder with 14 minutes of capture capacity c.. Guitar and Aux instrument inputs d.. Microphone input with trim control and dedicated effects e.. 12 distinct amp and cabinet models f.. 7 Smart Control FX models including Tape Echo, Multi-Tap, Sweep Echo, Flanger/Chorus, Phaser, Tremolo and Reverb g.. 250 artist-created tones h.. 36 programmable presets i.. 75-watt power section j.. 12" Custom Celestion® speaker k.. 2" tweeter for full range audio on jam tracks l.. On-board tuner m.. CD/MP3 Input jack n.. Stereo 1/4" and headphone jack outputs see http://www.line6.com/spiderjam/ Ben. From kj_annan012@hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 14:38:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 316 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:38:38 UTC Received: from blu139-omc1-s13.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc1-s13.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.153]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34AA3BEAF for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU117-W24 ([65.55.162.182]) by blu139-omc1-s13.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:33:06 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_77958b82-15ad-43f6-9345-26182ff2e39c_" X-Originating-IP: [41.210.30.31] Reply-To: From: kojo annan Subject: From: Kojo Annan. Son Of Former UN Secretary General. (Read Carefully & Reply ). Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:33:06 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2008 14:33:06.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF9728F0:01C85915] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_77958b82-15ad-43f6-9345-26182ff2e39c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friend.=20 My name is Kojo Annan and I am the Son of his Excellency Mr. Kofi Annan, th= e just Retired Secretary General of the United Nations. If you have been f= ollowing the events in the United Nations over the last few years, you will= remember the big scandal that took place when my father Mr. Annan was forc= ed into retirement and denied an appropriate pension. In retirement, my fat= her will no longer be able to parlay his position into international prizes= . Your contact information was referred to me by one of my trusted contacts, = whose name I am not at liberty to compromise. I would like to approach you = with regards to a profitable Business Proposal, regarding the transfer of S= eventeen Million Seven Hundred Thousand ($17,700,000) U.S. Dollars into yo= ur hands. For reasons I am sure you will appreciate, I ask that you keep th= is communication confidential, and avoid it falling into the hands of any a= gents of the Ghanian's Special Services Monitoring commission that may be o= perating in Your area.=20 You see, my Father had a lot of enemies in the diplomatic circles, who will= envy his great fortune. It was they who removed him in the hope to gain ac= cess to the money that he collected from honoraria and kickbacks (practices= that is quite common in the UN). Unfortunately, there was too much scandal= and media coverage in the aftermath of my father Mr. Annan,my fathers enem= ies had promise to move openly to claim his money. This gave me and a few t= rusted people who were still loyal to my Father, an opportunity to move the= money into a secret security company here in Accra Ghana.=20 The fund was deposited into a trunk BOX as a family treasure with a secur= ity company here in Accra-Ghana . All i just need from you is to present yo= u as the beneficiary of the trunk box,so that the security company can invi= te you for the collection of the box or they will deliver the box to you in= your country.My Friend,my reason of doing this,is because i don't want the= effort of my father to get lost to the hands of his enemies.This fund will= be used as a family investment in your country.You will be helping my fath= er to invest this fund into a profitable business in your country.The Manag= er of the security company had also assured me that the Box can be collecte= d from any of their Branch Offices in Europe,America,Asia countries and Can= ada. I am contacting you base on the fact that i will not want the Ghanian's Spe= cial Services Monitoring commission and the united nation present governmen= t to know that my father had such amount of money to himself.At this point= because of my fathers position in the society, i assure you that all the n= ecessary legal documents backing up this transaction will be forwarded to y= ou.I will also be introduce you to my fathers attorney who will be helping = me to change all the documents to your name as the beneficiary of the consi= gnment in the security company,as soon as i receive your urgent response. Furthermore my father had used his good offices in several delicate politic= al situations. These included an attempt in 1998 to gain Iraq compliance wi= th Security Council resolutions; an agreement in 1999 to resolve a stalemat= e between Libya and the Security Council over the 1988 Lockerbie bombing; d= iplomacy in 1999 to forge an international response to violence in East Tim= or; the certification of Israel withdrawal from Lebanon in September 2000, = and further efforts, since the renewed outbreak of violence in September 20= 00, to encourage Israelis and Palestinians to resolve their differences thr= ough peaceful negotiations based on Security Council resolutions 242 and 33= 8 and the principle of "land for peace".=20 Mr. Annan has also sought to improve the status of women in the Secretariat= and to build closer partnerships with civil society, the private sector an= d other non-State actors whose strengths complement those of the United Nat= ions; in particular, he has called for a "Global Compact" involving leaders= of the world business community as well as labor and civil society organiz= ations, aimed at enabling all the world and people to share the benefits of= globalization and embedding the global market in values and practices that= are fundamental to meeting socio-economic needs. How can anyone deny such a record of accomplishment?,While we managed to do= this without the Ghanian's Special Services Monitoring commission becoming= aware of our activities, the money cannot remain in this country, because = of so many reasons that may not be in the favor of my family.The only optio= n available to us, is to move the money to a trusted partner, who is a fore= igner and cannot be linked to Mr. Kofi Annan or any member of the family in= any way.=20 I will be coming to your country as soon as you receive the box to discuss = the modality of investing the fund in your country and also what i will be = offering you for your assistance.I will love you get back to me with Your.F= ull name:-----------------------------------------------------House address= :-------------------------------------------------Cell Phone and fax number= :-------------------------------------Age:---------------------------------= --------------------------Occupation:--------------------------------------= -------------- I am at your disposal to answer any questions you may like to ask,so don't = hesitate to contact me via my private email address: kjannan1@myway.com. I= eagerly await your reply, though I must ask you to treat this matter with = great secrecy, lest you betray me and my family to the agents of the Ghania= n's Special Services Monitoring commission.=20 Respectfully Yours, Kojo Annan. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/= --_77958b82-15ad-43f6-9345-26182ff2e39c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friend.

My name is Kojo Annan and I am the Son of his Excellency Mr. Kofi Annan= , the just  Retired Secretary General of the United Nations. If you ha= ve been following the events in the United Nations over the last few years,= you will remember the big scandal that took place when my father Mr. Annan= was forced into retirement and denied an appropriate pension. In retiremen= t, my father will no longer be able to parlay his position into internation= al prizes.

Your contact information was referred to me by one of my trusted contac= ts, whose name I am not at liberty to compromise.
I would like to appro= ach you with regards to a profitable Business Proposal, regarding the trans= fer of Seventeen Million Seven Hundred Thousand ($17,700,000) U.S. Dollars&= nbsp; into your hands. For reasons I am sure you will appreciate, I ask tha= t you keep this communication confidential, and avoid it falling into the h= ands of any agents of the Ghanian's Special Services Monitoring commission = that may be operating in Your area.

You see, my Father had a lot of enemies in the diplomatic circles, who = will envy his great fortune. It was they who removed him in the hope to gai= n access to the money that he collected from honoraria and kickbacks (pract= ices that is quite common in the UN). Unfortunately, there was too much sca= ndal and media coverage in the aftermath of my father Mr. Annan,my fathers = enemies had promise to move openly to claim his money. This gave me and a f= ew trusted people who were still loyal to my Father, an opportunity to move= the money into a secret security company here in Accra Ghana.

The fund  was deposited into a  trunk BOX as a family treasur= e with a security company here in Accra-Ghana . All i just need from you is= to present you as the beneficiary of the trunk box,so that the security co= mpany can invite you for the collection of the box or they will deliver the= box to you in your country.
My Friend,my reason of doing this,is becaus= e i don't want the effort of my father to get lost to the hands of his enem= ies.This fund will be used as a family investment in your country.You will = be helping my father to invest this fund into a profitable business in your= country.The Manager of the security company had also assured me that the B= ox can be collected from any of their Branch Offices in Europe,America,Asia= countries and Canada.

I am contacting you base on the fact that i will not want the Ghanian's= Special Services Monitoring commission and the united nation present gover= nment to know that my father had such amount of money  to himself.At t= his point because of my fathers position in the society, i assure you that = all the necessary legal documents backing up this transaction will be forwa= rded to you.I will also be introduce you to my fathers attorney who will be= helping me to change all the documents to your name as the beneficiary of = the consignment in the security company,as soon as i receive your urgent re= sponse.

Furthermore my father had used his good offices in several delicate pol= itical situations. These included an attempt in 1998 to gain Iraq complianc= e with Security Council resolutions; an agreement in 1999 to resolve a stal= emate between Libya and the Security Council over the 1988 Lockerbie bombin= g; diplomacy in 1999 to forge an international response to violence in East= Timor; the certification of Israel withdrawal from Lebanon in September 20= 00, and further efforts, since the renewed outbreak of violence in Septembe= r 2000, to encourage Israelis and Palestinians to resolve their differences= through peaceful negotiations based on Security Council resolutions 242 an= d 338 and the principle of "land for peace".

Mr. Annan has also sought to improve the status of women in the Secreta= riat and to build closer partnerships with civil society, the private secto= r and other non-State actors whose strengths complement those of the United= Nations; in particular, he has called for a "Global Compact" involving lea= ders of the world business community as well as labor and civil society org= anizations, aimed at enabling all the world and people to share the benefit= s of globalization and embedding the global market in values and practices = that are fundamental to meeting socio-economic needs.

How can anyone deny such a record of accomplishment?,While we managed t= o do this without the Ghanian's Special Services Monitoring commission beco= ming aware of our activities, the money cannot remain in this country, beca= use of so many reasons that may not be in the favor of my family.The only o= ption available to us, is to move the money to a trusted partner, who is a = foreigner and cannot be linked to Mr. Kofi Annan or any member of the famil= y in any way.

I will be coming to your country as soon as you receive the box to disc= uss the modality of investing the fund in your country and also what i will= be offering you for your assistance.I will love you get back to me with Yo= ur.
Full name:-----------------------------------------------------
H= ouse address:-------------------------------------------------
Cell Phon= e and fax number:-------------------------------------
Age:-------------= ----------------------------------------------
Occupation:--------------= --------------------------------------

I am at your disposal to answer any questions you may like to ask,so do= n't hesitate to contact me via my private email address:  kjannan1@myway.com. I eagerly await your repl= y, though I must ask you to treat this matter with great secrecy, lest you = betray me and my family to the agents of the Ghanian's Special Services Mon= itoring commission.

Respectfully Yours,
Kojo Annan.


Express yourself= instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger = --_77958b82-15ad-43f6-9345-26182ff2e39c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 15:01:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69B713BEC1; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <478EC928.3090104@minds-eye.org> References: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> <89addb76dfb691a14bc1c3852e4717c7@charter.net> <478EC928.3090104@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1f9c7c85eb812db3c33c4729a69464c6@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: SEMI-OT NAMM QUEST REQUEST Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:01:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Kevin, I don't usually let it be widely known, but after I worked for Seymour Duncan I went to work for Musician's friend. I still live in the same small Oregon town where they are located (their headquarters, not their warehouses). I have friends that are still unfortunate enough to work there (a very Dilbert-esque corporate culture to be sure). I may consider asking one of them (now that I think of it, thanks) about this. But no, I am not inclined to order something and then send it back intentionally. Thanks for the thought that triggered my recalling my former work-mates though. Perhaps I'll give that a try. Best, Ted Killian On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > You could always just buy it from Musicians Friend and use the 45 day > return policy (of course you pay for one way of shipping) but of > course then they're your ears making the choice. > > Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 15:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 756783BEC2; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1515 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:41:52 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=TKt/ArNkBOInsF06B0i0OlV0CSciYdzBDaSpHBzBBRs=; b=llI1aXh0BsYVrIm1w5VfQLkHQ61DcmboMeFE6DCTy9tS97YSfwxBsypvW6FnTEzXqaR8izACEsu1tp3CZzsMEUBxZIUkWh0j8l69InNg9utZIgmPd5UyVSgzv+f/r4hWJ2eity/BNumtfDBpzJIX1dGtcpuxKrEPwQZv94c0WRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hnnKGRZK9pCDyoSIfIsooPQY/EqnlYq3QOGTlnSY7R78x9+Qi9Oj9p79+3X+Kdt722bmooN0qQ2rhEICr3rnvPV7AmjQo8TlB97qP4Ftmnu7HNEx/mAxiCb9dEM3XTdKD7k+NicA2QC9i2X9oZqNGjPAQrEUSmO6f1h0gR6L9oM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:16:35 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ableton live/Trigger finger setup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys I am a newbie to the list and to looping. I am a percussionist and am interested in exploring looping more intricately. I have bought Ableton live 6 and a trigger finger controller for controlling my loops and other ableton functions At the moment I am stuck with a basic trigger finger problem. I am unable to get a midi signal to come from my trigger finger into ableton live. (pretty important thing that) My other keyboard controllers work fine but the enigma software that is meant to used to programme the trigger finger is not uploading/recieving any data. These functions seem to be disabled. I am really battling to get anything out of it. If any of you guys are using a similar setup and have an idea of what the problem could be, I would appreciate your help. As a side note, I am writing my honours thesis on using live looping in performance for the drummer/percussionist. The music I have discovered from the loopers delight websigh,t and many of you on this list has inspired this project. So...Thanx for the great music. Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 16:52:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3C8C3BEB9; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 426 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:52:50 UTC Message-ID: <1685.208.97.187.133.1200588341.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:45:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: New CD out... Sweeping the Noise Floor. From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, digitalhell@hyperreal.org, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.10a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:52:50 +0000 (UTC) My first full length studio recording in about two years is now available online via CDbaby.com as both a full blown CD with color packaging or as a discounted download of MP3s. http://cdbaby.com/cd/sweepingnoisefloor The project is called Sweeping the Noise Floor and is 60+ minutes of ambient,industrial, and otherwise OUT there modular synthesizer excursions. I also have quite a few wavetable synthesis experiments mixed in as that's what I was up to at the time. All instruments are from my studio and range from vintage items like the EMS SynthiA or Arp 2600 to more contemporary modules by MetalBox and Blacet. A DSI Evolver and the UWave II show up along with a few other surprises. There as short samples of each song on the CDbaby.com page and one full track for download on my site HelpWantedProductions.com. This record was well over two years in the making and contains a lot of joy, heartache, headache, and satisfaction. I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it and if so, please spread the word. If this collaboration with CDBaby is successful I may be releasing some out of print CDs from Music For Isolation Tanks, Overdrive Date Master, among other HWP label favorites. http://cdbaby.com/cd/sweepingnoisefloor Thanks! _David Talento ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 17:01:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A4A3BECD; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:01:30 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: NAMM: Boss GT-10 with phrase looper MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 80.126.157.56 Resent-Message-ID: <-6-mJB.A.h0H.tn4jHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi, It looks like Boss launches a new guitar FX processor with some "phrase l= ooper" functionality build in. http://www.roland.com/products/en/GT-10/features.html Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 17:45:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD4C3BED3; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TcFvS25/F0RTylGwox2/+jS44ijqadsTQcidWq6ly3I=; b=VHsRbhLLHNs7x2TDktZTrxDgMIcbH0r7ENmO6swXrr1wUZJPiQFvsTJ+DUcWiI+KtEKsw44Or92mQGFy97pPJpVRQW93VSsw48zsZFyTCovpn4gDQGkwjXvBwVKUiqnx+sSmLTRswebB7AposBlSzGcN/8GPcxYiZd8T02epPxs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XDCwDS31DDdZg2Kgs3IjBiXO5j9DtYozk4BhN8BrO3Bj+hiA5mhzn0IID6vNB86qYhHLxACeF+2eAEFJkC3/ARmUVRqkFFXdmkasSTVb0U4S3E25n/DdmkjUREZaQdZqVmbqXoxRGusIlPugYrs2S216T+hCfmJQ6kQ/MgCTtRg= Message-ID: <37f071c00801170944o3ccdfda1u2d31bcdf6923b09d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:44:58 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SEMI-OT NAMM QUEST REQUEST In-Reply-To: <1f9c7c85eb812db3c33c4729a69464c6@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_946_28726640.1200591898555" References: <9e0440a60801161345s63d6e697tddb3654a1d936615@mail.gmail.com> <001401c85890$cad0b6f0$60041718@gwdesk> <9e0440a60801161506i1075600ci93c6f7475ab16e3@mail.gmail.com> <89addb76dfb691a14bc1c3852e4717c7@charter.net> <478EC928.3090104@minds-eye.org> <1f9c7c85eb812db3c33c4729a69464c6@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:45:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_946_28726640.1200591898555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 17, 2008 7:01 AM, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > Kevin, > > I don't usually let it be widely known, but after I worked for Seymour > Duncan I went to work for Musician's friend. > > I still live in the same small Oregon town where they are located > (their headquarters, not their warehouses). > > I have friends that are still unfortunate enough to work there (a very > Dilbert-esque corporate culture to be sure). > > HI Ted, > > > I don't usually let it be widely known, but after I worked for Seymour > > Duncan I went to work for Musician's friend. > > Well then, perhaps I can ask you a question. Do you know if they share > warehouses with other companies or is Musician's Friend one of several > activities the parent corporation is involved in? I ask because I once > received a new chainsaw chain with one of my orders (not on the invoice) > and that kind of made me pause. Just curious you know. > > > > I may consider asking one of them (now that I think of it, thanks) > > about this. > > > > But no, I am not inclined to order something and then send it back > > intentionally. > > Well neither am I, but if you liked it you wouldn't be sending it back. > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_946_28726640.1200591898555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Jan 17, 2008 7:01 AM, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Kevin,

I don't usually let it be widely known, but after I worked for Seymour
Duncan I went to work for Musician's friend.

I still live in the same small Oregon town where they are located
(their headquarters, not their warehouses).

I have friends that are still unfortunate enough to work there (a very
Dilbert-esque corporate culture to be sure).

HI Ted,

> I don't usually let it be widely known, but after I worked for Seymour
> Duncan I went to work for Musician's friend.

Well then, perhaps I can ask you a question.  Do you know if they share
warehouses with other companies or is Musician's Friend one of several
activities the parent corporation is involved in?  I ask because I once
received a new chainsaw chain with one of my orders (not on the invoice)
and that kind of made me pause.  Just curious you know.
>
> I may consider asking one of them (now that I think of it, thanks)
> about this.
>
> But no, I am not inclined to order something and then send it back
> intentionally.

Well neither am I, but if you liked it you wouldn't be sending it back.

Kevin

--
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org

------=_Part_946_28726640.1200591898555-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jan 17 20:17:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23AC23BECA; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080117201739189.049F67000D4F@mwinf2e03.orange.fr Message-ID: <478FB7E1.7020100@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:17:37 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Chinapainting article References: <20071108174110.3D2293BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <47334D8A.9010401@mhorse.com> <20071108121814.6ru8ilm9pw80kwkc@69.89.21.76> <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1194549785.4733621959a69@webmail.musetrap.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi cpr, I'd be interested to get the access data for the looping NINJAM Server. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have more love time with classic bluepill http://rxuo.canadianmarwin3.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 04:26:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33B43BEC7; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:26:20 -0800 From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Subject: TimeFactor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.61.20.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:26:24 +0000 (UTC) I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a hiccup/dropout. Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? thx toby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 04:36:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2DFC3BED3; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:38:30 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-reply-to: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5CGEzD.A.zRB.AzCkHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:36:16 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:26 PM, Toby G wrote: > > I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a > sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a > hiccup/dropout. Maybe post in the new Eventide forum? Eventide has revamped its site, and I don't see the link to the forum, but when I find it again, I'll let you know. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 04:38:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9539D3BED0; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:41:00 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-reply-to: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Here's the link: http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Support.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 04:54:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22AEB3BECF; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1812 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:54:38 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.1.156 X-EN-IMPSID: eUQR1Y0043MxAyJ0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:24:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: OT: new all-tube guitar amp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 76.14.77.15 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown Message-Id: <20080118045438.914573BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:54:39 +0000 (UTC) Metasonix, creator of the scrotum smasher has a new guitar amp. The G-1000 Fucking Fucker guitar amp: http://www.metasonix.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=67 http://www.metasonix.com/G1000large.JPG Tone questers beware! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 05:25:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5F93BED2; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20080117212524.egp406r2u8gkosws@webmail.mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:25:24 -0800 From: highhorse@mhorse.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new all-tube guitar amp References: <20080118045438.914573BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20080118045438.914573BEB8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Hee hee hee...I love the fact that these guys exist, because they are so patently un-commercial. This is what they do: take a big 'ol rock-guy head, fill it will all kinds of crazy tones that places it firmly in the niche market, put a $5000 price tag on it that limits it further to only a handful of rich studio owners and rock stars, then adorn it with the most vile artwork...ever. I mean seriously, anything this offensive just makes me giggle, but HOO BOY this is some deeply sick-puppy stuff. If you click on the hi-res version, don't say I didn't warn you...not at all safe for work (or probably home!). (and if anyone buys one I gotta hear it...) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Metasonix, creator of the scrotum smasher has a new guitar amp. The > G-1000 Fucking Fucker guitar amp: > http://www.metasonix.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=67 > > http://www.metasonix.com/G1000large.JPG > > Tone questers beware! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 05:52:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 616A33BECA; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=u2ZqWsDC+ygcfDOXrP/ML/X80jt5GvOi+Y2PIYwHZJw=; b=fwavGOVpLPdi/8UQCU/2cn1ASCVredQMfkniAmHjIbyHppLJQXBL7UH/nqw0TeiFGWPQW9QJw1d2pH5T9wLC0HXuItw2Sq2CnTOnkBKR5Hby27e4iXI/3EZI3aah/+Muw9T+hwQr/VkORH4hD6+5s3re09uDqLPrz3kzcBPEI68= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a8LPMLr0QZz1t/X//3QKfiONJIGvYgblvX/S3761eDKjgJGEJ3XcHBZ85RtsGVOGe9wedMxqX7RR/iy2bPxMZnN9u/xPt8k8e4sjUlklBrtUy1wHROueH7/flEfBjbiOVS9/xKzgU68PnDKrTxa4n/ZjuU0lGtQQ6wZpy7hShnQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:52:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Fostex VR880 harddisc recorder In-Reply-To: <000001c85878$1f2b4b70$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4982_1235840.1200635562720" References: <000001c85878$1f2b4b70$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:52:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4982_1235840.1200635562720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ooops... maybe late but.. How much are you asking for it? Cheers,- Raul. 2008/1/16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > Hi everyone, > > just clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found: > > A Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder. > > Important features: > * 2, 4, or 8 track recording modes with a total of 24 virtual > tracks > * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality" > * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out > * MIDI IN/OUT allows for MIDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) and > MIDI Machine Control (MMC) > * internal IDE harddisk, external (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector > for > data storage > * passive cooling > * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60Hz > * connector for punch in/out footswitch > * wordlock connector (BNC) > * comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of 120GB > size according to fostex forum) > * big LC backlit display > > This is a perfect companion for mobile or non-computer based studio > recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the > excellent > Behringer ADA8000 or for those more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus > Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get a stand-alone multitrack recording > solution, which is also perfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for > those > classical performance recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part > of > Fostex' more "advanced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the > features of the big D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing > functions and an excellent user interface. > Another big plus is the great stability of these devices - unlike a > computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch or whatever, so > also make a good backup solution for a computer-based recording setup. > > Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and original set of > documentation, but without original packing. This thing is already several > years old, but, as they say, still looks like new. > > I actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. > Please > write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info! > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4982_1235840.1200635562720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ooops... maybe late but..
How much are you asking for it?

Cheers,-
Raul.

2008/1/16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de >:
Hi everyone,

just clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found:

A Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder.

Important features:
        * 2, 4, or 8 track recording modes with a total of 24 virtual tracks
        * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality"
        * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out
        * MIDI IN/OUT allows for MIDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) and
MIDI Machine Control (MMC)
        * internal IDE harddisk, external (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector for
data storage
        * passive cooling
        * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60Hz
        * connector for punch in/out footswitch
        * wordlock connector (BNC)
        * comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of 120GB
size according to fostex forum)
        * big LC backlit display

This is a perfect companion for mobile or non-computer based studio
recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the excellent
Behringer ADA8000 or for those more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus
Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get a stand-alone multitrack recording
solution, which is also perfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for those
classical performance recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part of
Fostex' more "advanced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the
features of the big D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing
functions and an excellent user interface.
Another big plus is the great stability of these devices - unlike a
computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch or whatever, so
also make a good backup solution for a computer-based recording setup.

Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and original set of
documentation, but without original packing. This thing is already several
years old, but, as they say, still looks like new.

I actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. Please
write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info!

Thanks,

        Rainer




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4982_1235840.1200635562720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 06:16:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E0F13BEC2; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ca1oVf95dsljmuhO9TnRxfKbrfQJ5AKmUCI3npruogg=; b=un10J/bl5P1BAuyEMNF9kfXrwT1JJYrXdVCG/Tx6FPVBwBx2EbkC6s3u8MuuJActFkmCqQ+EibU8ecl3khg9Fb14gkTNn4wmb++BrVUBVDYa/4sfePD7L8tLqRrvfDrA5l14HBMzmd35C/5b8GqkV1bSnPg5+BSE8Xdzty6xfw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SsrBL09eqdZwv8h+XSvmH4yCFvY3qUPHcbM5sdbzO7WGgIdNL4U516M+I3KG7wjJgGPVqEBnEZ6n9Sx7VSYNvjbUh/sHFZbmj5909DH9WT599Qhv6quQCxnfmCoG1Af60YK5kTmSN5WiClGpkGUchK91X/92B5hMna3ESgkgvyg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:16:11 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Fostex VR880 harddisc recorder In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5070_15915092.1200636971428" References: <000001c85878$1f2b4b70$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:16:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5070_15915092.1200636971428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry... Private mail it would have been correct. o.k. I'm a computer idiot :-) Raul. 2008/1/18, Raul Bonell : > > Ooops... maybe late but.. > How much are you asking for it? > > Cheers,- > Raul. > > 2008/1/16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > just clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found: > > > > A Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder. > > > > Important features: > > * 2, 4, or 8 track recording modes with a total of 24 virtual > > tracks > > * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality" > > * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out > > * MIDI IN/OUT allows for MIDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) > > and > > MIDI Machine Control (MMC) > > * internal IDE harddisk, external (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector > > for > > data storage > > * passive cooling > > * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60Hz > > * connector for punch in/out footswitch > > * wordlock connector (BNC) > > * comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of > > 120GB > > size according to fostex forum) > > * big LC backlit display > > > > This is a perfect companion for mobile or non-computer based studio > > recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the > > excellent > > Behringer ADA8000 or for those more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus > > Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get a stand-alone multitrack > > recording > > solution, which is also perfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for > > those > > classical performance recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part > > of > > Fostex' more "advanced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the > > features of the big D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing > > functions and an excellent user interface. > > Another big plus is the great stability of these devices - unlike a > > computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch or whatever, > > so > > also make a good backup solution for a computer-based recording setup. > > > > Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and original set of > > documentation, but without original packing. This thing is already > > several > > years old, but, as they say, still looks like new. > > > > I actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. > > Please > > write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5070_15915092.1200636971428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry...
Private mail it would have been correct.

o.k. I'm a computer idiot :-)

Raul.

2008/1/18, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com >:
Ooops... maybe late but..
How much are you asking for it?

Cheers,-
Raul.

2008/1/16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de >:
Hi everyone,

just clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found:

A Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder.

Important features:
        * 2, 4, or 8 track recording modes with a total of 24 virtual tracks
        * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality"
        * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out
        * MIDI IN/OUT allows for MIDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) and
MIDI Machine Control (MMC)
        * internal IDE harddisk, external (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector for
data storage
        * passive cooling
        * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60Hz
        * connector for punch in/out footswitch
        * wordlock connector (BNC)
        * comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of 120GB
size according to fostex forum)
        * big LC backlit display

This is a perfect companion for mobile or non-computer based studio
recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the excellent
Behringer ADA8000 or for those more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus
Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get a stand-alone multitrack recording
solution, which is also perfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for those
classical performance recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part of
Fostex' more "advanced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the
features of the big D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing
functions and an excellent user interface.
Another big plus is the great stability of these devices - unlike a
computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch or whatever, so
also make a good backup solution for a computer-based recording setup.

Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and original set of
documentation, but without original packing. This thing is already several
years old, but, as they say, still looks like new.

I actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. Please
write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info!

Thanks,

        Rainer




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra



--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5070_15915092.1200636971428-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 08:18:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 787843BEC2; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080118081801672.A42C31C0437C@mwinf1903.orange.fr Message-ID: <479060B7.60901@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:17:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> <478BE8B3.8060307@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <478BE8B3.8060307@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn schrieb: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Wh96_PR18 This led me to another looper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiF4DtDyyA&feature=related -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 10:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48C8E3BECC; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/+y4nhejWeV0YE0m6C089GmjXrBMupNMtvwnEyxu9XU=; b=ZGGiq9riG7/R/dD1Tj20+x2ooP4jM+XaNI9rg7RzG3oKD1Wf2NABn/spXiqdwcWwJP/Qm5ruojvvCyE/TmiuAsYkonFBZQZCc2xb+WMl7/bFTkCxZXWll29iEIDXGgUbCJW4be6n/ZyFlvM21bOztmT8oJpz/72Xj1rC37KR1ms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gg/4LNWCCPKYserMuRE3/q+Fgcz5CDV37hsASULp1q4N/RAUPgcYr2ncPHGJInX0Ip2km+ZUZ3RZgJivhjqQnUxx3y4092VlsV3xwQpsCXIrJq2JucxBJ0VrJ1Cy8eq8WR9PZXOBL4YkrZ1qEHFeeKiZB+0YU03RbbMODdx66H4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801180232g1db854c6j218305377ce1e0e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:32:37 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fretless guitar built - ripped off the frets... In-Reply-To: <479060B7.60901@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0801131501t269e7952j1c7985c011fb7208@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801140358j11b26bf0h2092f9f237da87d2@mail.gmail.com> <478BE8B3.8060307@mhorse.com> <479060B7.60901@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:32:39 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 18, 2008 9:17 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Daryl Shawn schrieb: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Wh96_PR18 > > This led me to another looper: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjiF4DtDyyA&feature=related I think Ned Evett also makes great rock music! Check it out at http://www.myspace.com/nedevett -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 11:44:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42013BECA; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:44:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200801181144.m0IBiOM1027002@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Subject: Re: Re: FS: Fostex VR880 harddisc recorder X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b_01_b25bb7e5a96de007c1ff2bf3004986b8" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:44:27 +0000 (UTC) --b_01_b25bb7e5a96de007c1ff2bf3004986b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">= Message

Hi Raul,

thanks for your inquiry. Before I answer your question, let me state a f= ew points worth mentioning:

One feature I forgot mentioning is the v= arispeed function (like on analogue tape machines). And the user interface,= as I mentioned, is really nice due to its lighted pushbuttons - you see at= a glance where you're at and what the thing does.

Can also be nicel= y synced to computers and other multitracks (as master or as slave).

Another thing (legal stuff): this is a sale from a private person. I do = hereby exclude any kind of warranty (especially the EU warranty for used go= ods). The thing has always worked great for what I used it for, but apart f= rom a quick functional test right now, I cannot guarantee "officially" for = it.

Now on to the price: I'd say the region of going ebay rates, i.e. for a = top condition version with 40GB HD roughly =80180 (up for negotiations). If= you by chance also need a second one or need a Bass POD, I'm sure we can w= ork something out that makes both of us happy.

I'll send you some pictures should you need them this evening.

Best,

            =       Rainer

----- original Nachricht -----= ---

Betreff: Re: FS: Fostex VR880 harddisc recorder
Ges= endet: Fr, 18. Jan 2008
Von: Raul Bonell

Sorry...
Private mail it would have been correct.

o.k.= I'm a computer idiot :-)

Raul.

2008/1/18, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com >:
Ooops... maybe late bu= t..
How much are you asking for it?

Cheers,-
Raul.

2008/1/16, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Strasc= hill <rs@moinlabs.de >:
Hi everyone,

ju= st clearing out my equipment collection, and here's what I found:

A= Fostex VR880 8-track harddisc recorder.

Important features:
&nbs= p;       * 2, 4, or 8 track recording mo= des with a total of 24 virtual tracks
     &nbs= p;  * recording format: 44.1kHz/16 bit - "CD quality"
 &= nbsp;      * optical ADAT or S/PDIF in/out        * MIDI IN/OUT allows for M= IDI Clock Sync, MIDI Time Code (MTC) and
MIDI Machine Control (MMC)
&= nbsp;       * internal IDE harddisk, ext= ernal (25-pin Sub-D) SCSI2 connector for
data storage
  &n= bsp;     * passive cooling
   &n= bsp;    * SPS (inside), works with 110 and 230 V, 50/60= Hz
        * connector for punch= in/out footswitch
        * wor= dlock connector (BNC)
        * = comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk (tested with disks of 120GB
size a= ccording to fostex forum)
       &nbs= p;* big LC backlit display

This is a perfect companion for mobile or= non-computer based studio
recording jobs. Together with an ADAT I/O (li= ke a Fostex VC-8, the excellent
Behringer ADA8000 or for those more hig= h-end oriented folks, a Presonus
Digimax or even RME Octamic D), you get= a stand-alone multitrack recording
solution, which is also perfectly qu= iet (passive cooling) - great for those
classical performance recording= s or acoustic ensembles. While being part of
Fostex' more "advanced cons= umer" oriented V product line, it has all the
features of the big D seri= es devices, including MMC, extensive editing
functions and an excellent= user interface.
Another big plus is the great stability of these device= s - unlike a
computer, they will always work and never lock up, glitch o= r whatever, so
also make a good backup solution for a computer-based rec= ording setup.

Comes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and origin= al set of
documentation, but without original packing. This thing is alr= eady several
years old, but, as they say, still looks like new.

I= actually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. Please =
write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info!
=
Thanks,

        Rainer


=
--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO a= t myspace: http://www.= myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestr= a



--
The Playing = Orchestra: http://www.telefo= nica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/thep= layingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra

-= -- original Nachricht Ende ----
--b_01_b25bb7e5a96de007c1ff2bf3004986b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Raul,=0Athanks for your inquiry. Before I answer your question, let me s= tate a few points worth mentioning:=0A=0AOne feature I forgot mentioning is= the varispeed function (like on analogue tape machines). And the user inte= rface, as I mentioned, is really nice due to its lighted pushbuttons - you = see at a glance where you're at and what the thing does.=0A=0ACan also be n= icely synced to computers and other multitracks (as master or as slave).=0A= Another thing (legal stuff): this is a sale from a private person. I do her= eby exclude any kind of warranty (especially the EU warranty for used goods= ). The thing has always worked great for what I used it for, but apart from= a quick functional test right now, I cannot guarantee "officially" for it.= =0ANow on to the price: I'd say the region of going ebay rates, i.e. for a = top condition version with 40GB HD roughly =80180 (up for negotiations). If= you by chance also need a second one or need a Bass POD, I'm sure we can w= ork something out that makes both of us happy.=0AI'll send you some picture= s should you need them this evening.=0ABest,=0A Rainer=0A= =0A----- original Nachricht --------=0A=0ABetreff: Re: FS: Fostex VR880 har= ddisc recorder=0AGesendet: Fr, 18. Jan 2008=0AVon: Raul Bonell=0A=0ASorry..= . =0APrivate mail it would have been correct.=0A=0Ao.k. 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Together with an= ADAT I/O (like a Fostex VC-8, the excellent =0ABehringer ADA8000 or for th= ose more high-end oriented folks, a Presonus=0ADigimax or even RME Octamic = D), you get a stand-alone multitrack recording=0Asolution, which is also pe= rfectly quiet (passive cooling) - great for those =0Aclassical performance = recordings or acoustic ensembles. While being part of=0AFostex' more "advan= ced consumer" oriented V product line, it has all the=0Afeatures of the big= D series devices, including MMC, extensive editing =0Afunctions and an exc= ellent user interface.=0AAnother big plus is the great stability of these d= evices - unlike a=0Acomputer, they will always work and never lock up, glit= ch or whatever, so=0Aalso make a good backup solution for a computer-based = recording setup. =0A=0AComes with 40GB Hitachi/IBM harddisk drive and origi= nal set of=0Adocumentation, but without original packing. This thing is alr= eady several=0Ayears old, but, as they say, still looks like new.=0A=0AI ac= tually got two of them and will sell either one or both of them. Please =0A= write to me offlist for offers or to ask for pictures or more info!=0A=0ATh= anks,=0A=0A Rainer=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0AThe Playing Orchestra: http:/= /www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo=0AChain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collect= ive.com=0ATPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra =0ATPO= at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorchestra =0A=0A=0A-- =0AThe = Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo=0AChain Tape Collecti= ve: http://www.ct-collective.com=0ATPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/t= heplayingorchestra=0ATPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com/theplayingorche= stra =0A=0A--- original Nachricht Ende ----=0A --b_01_b25bb7e5a96de007c1ff2bf3004986b8-- From refund@irs.gov Fri Jan 18 17:47:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1778 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:47:11 UTC Received: from mail.amavis-stats.com (rrcs-67-78-11-231.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.11.231]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AB33BEAF for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.amavis-stats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF5929ADF7; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:17:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.amavis-stats.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (amavis-stats.local [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26531-06; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from User (euw0300174-pip.eu.verio.net [213.198.65.110]) by mail.amavis-stats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1929ADF3; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:17:29 -0600 (MDT) From: "Internal Revenue Service" Subject: IRS Tax Refund Notification Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:17:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070426041729.76A1929ADF3@mail.amavis-stats.com> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at amavis-stats.local
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jan 18 20:23:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7983BECD; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47910AC6.7020601@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:23:34 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new wii loop machine 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:23:39 +0000 (UTC) There is a new wii loop machine out http://www.theamazingrolo.net/wii/ Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From member@ebay.it Fri Jan 18 20:45:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 722 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:45:55 UTC Received: from usdc1.us.elringklinger.org (mail.elringklinger.com [67.37.214.35]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849C23BEB6; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:45:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([151.196.254.44]) by usdc1.us.elringklinger.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:33:41 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Utente di eBay: antonior_it" Subject: Hai ricevuto una domanda sull'oggetto, NOKIA N95 8GB GARANZIA ITALIA Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:37:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2008 20:33:41.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[69D61200:01C85A11] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.5.0.1243-5.0.1023-15676.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.376500-5.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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Buongiorno,
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 10:32:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2C93BECA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:32:09 UTC Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.207.5.224] From: simeon harris To: Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC10 and Electrix Repeater Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:26:12 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2008 10:26:11.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B610FA0:01C85C18] Resent-Message-ID: <3Iz0gB.A.drB.pSHlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:32:10 +0000 (UTC) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:40:50 +1100 > Subject: Yamaha MFC10 and Electrix Repeater > From: ronaldroy@aapt.net.au > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > I have a Yamaha MFC10 and an Electrix Repeater with the version 2 softwar= e > and wondered if anyone who also has this combination on has already set t= hem > up to talk to one another? Or more precisely with the MFC10 driving the > Repeater. Would they send me the fruits of their labour? > Cheers, > Andrew=20 >=20 i found the mfc-10 had too much latency to use with the repeater (for recor= ding phrased loops) - i use the little digitech 3 button footswitch for tha= t, but mfc-10 can be used for loop manipulations that don't need to be stri= ctly in time. the mfc-10 is a weird beast to program and the manual is most unhelpful, so= i will try and offer some tips here... first, you need to set the repeater to the desired midi channel and grab th= e manual so you can see which PC and CC numbers are used for each function the mfc-10 uses an alphanumeric system to define which midi command is sent= out on which channel program changes are sent out between C0 and CF - the C denotes program chan= ge. 0 is midi channel 1, 1 is midi channel 2, 2 is midi channel 3... F is m= idi channel 16=20 so as an example, if the repeater is set to midi channel 1 and you want you= r button to select track 1, then you would set up the mfc-10 like this... C0 7 0 127 toggle off triggering reverse would be this.. C0 84 0 127 toggle on if you want to use CC numbers instead of program change numbers, then use b= 0-bF instead of C0-CF hope that helps - unfortunately, i don't use my mfc-10 with my repeater any= more, as i bought a novation remote zero sl for more hands-on control of m= y repeater and my looperlative, so i can't send you a sysex dump of my sett= ings... sim _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 10:55:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD903BECD; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" Sender: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Vortex Conga rediscovered Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:55:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c85c1c$1c7fb3f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchcDpP4cP4sCNRZQkiM8V6vMUpYtwAAbIAQ In-Reply-To: <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <4dywmC.A.5UC.aoHlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:55:22 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > Michael very very nice! thanks Luis > where are that conga and bass synth loop coming from? the conga comes from an ancient Emax sampler which has a simple sequencer. The bass synth is a GT-5 patch played by the guitar. I guess what I did (but I don't remember because this was made 8 or 9 years ago) is feed the conga and the bass together into the EDP. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 11:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6263BEC7; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 14850206/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADMMlEc+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIqmM X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Simon Le Geyt , "nick@12testing.net" Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:07:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Torn video online Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <47947D0D.2770.714502@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4793862C.1860.180C69F@nick.12testing.net> References: <4793862C.1860.180C69F@nick.12testing.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:08:13 +0000 (UTC) > On 20 Jan 2008 at 0:23, Simon Le Geyt wrote: > > It's almost as if I was sat right next to you there on the night! nick@12testing.net wrote: > Actually, I think one of our fellow LD members was next to me - we > certainly had a good chat! Oh sod, it was you, wasn't it!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 13:35:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4AD3BECC; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4794A045.7060405@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:38:13 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Conga rediscovered References: <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001701c85c1c$1c7fb3f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <001701c85c1c$1c7fb3f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: >>http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 >>Michael very very nice! > > > thanks Luis > > >>where are that conga and bass synth loop coming from? > > > the conga comes from an ancient Emax sampler which has a simple sequencer. > The bass synth is a GT-5 patch played by the guitar. I guess what I did (but > I don't remember because this was made 8 or 9 years ago) is feed the conga > and the bass together into the EDP. > > -Michael Interesting. Just listened to it again, those congas sounds like prety close to the real thing, maybe only missing the percussive attack. If you hadn't told about the bassworks, I wouldn't have guessed guitar. Did you study Turkish/Arab/Indian scales and intonations? A holliday in Turkey got me interested in those... Searching for fretless guitar clips, I stumbled over Cenk Erdogan Perdesiz. Very interesting stuff. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 15:40:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDFE3BEC5; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VWEEGDo5TraEwwNBdsy4WzAAZgEIdxtaze5A+lGDrxeIxQetieJG6CK0tNl12FWEWHWdf7/AIsX9yq1zZHhV3gcFN7MVGhHx5cN75zExbl5hRpYAAtXmJPxZG8nD8p4Htnq0ky0BFej0nMnGWD+70MGoyx8376CSSXgxS6SB3Ck=; X-YMail-OSG: y6RNH.sVM1leKzKxUWPBSdtTtmX4U8gO2FLMsx3FAAaLOtYVeSD7ootLf0LTxGH1aobELPfdm9IjD2H4cRML8B5Jqd9qjSjWXYDCy6rOQs4zCAk- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:40:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Hoax Email Link being Verified on Snopes Website!!! *** NOT Forwarded *** To: Debbie , Tami Brumbaugh , "aaldrich@yahoo.com" <'aaldrich@yahoo.com'>, "adrinathorpe_news@hotmail.com" , "aerdmann@valeotopeka.org" <'aerdmann@valeotopeka.org'>, Akasha Skaldeman , Derrick Able , Al Letner , Ally Sutton , "Alpha1wolfe@yahoo.com" <'alpha1wolfe@yahoo.com'>, Don Alder , Analog Missionary , Andy McKee Mailing List , Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder , Jim and Belinda , Joy and Scott Leeper , Michelle and Matt , Mikrut Kevin and Jenna , Rochelle and Bethea , Sant Ananchai , Tellman and Stephanie , Thano and Demitri Sahnas , babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, Barbara Hill , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , "bdecker@valeotopeka.org" <'bdecker@valeotopeka.org'>, Becky Beasley , Ben , ben davis , Bethea Jenner , betsy gordon , blake minton , blake psychology , "bledsoe@wmhci.org" <'bledsoe@wmhci.org'>, Bob Weigel , Bose Corporation , "brandi_majors@yahoo.com" <'brandi_majors@yahoo.com'>, brian berndt , Jim Goodin , Julian Westhoff , Michelle Fuqua , Carmen Hill , "cespinoza@valeotopeka.org" <'cespinoza@valeotopeka.org'>, chair social work dept , chris astrophysics , Christine Rage , csm chicago , Clara Ziegler , clint baker , colleen hayse , "crystall39@hotmail.com" <'crystall39@hotmail.com'>, Cyndee Harvey , Darain Conrady , Donald DeLong , deanal@skilonline.com, Daryl Needham , dawnua dawson , "dbludworth@bertnash.org" <'dbludworth@bertnash.org'>, deanna bishop , "deck318@netzero.net" <'deck318@netzero.net'>, Dennis Jamison , deuce , Diane Holtz , Diane Strick , ecopeland05@hotmail.com, experienceincite@aol.com, "Dr. Eric A Shearer" , Elizabeth Darling , eric dutton , Eric Redlhammer , "etatzed@aol.com" <'etatzed@aol.com'>, ken epperson , mike masonite , WaveOfLove UniversalLifeTools , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, fbadley2556@esagelink.com, "flowers_tina@yahoo.com" <'flowers_tina@yahoo.com'>, Jeffrey Furst , jim foresman , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , John Fittell , JP Nickel , June Favati , Mark White , Wheatstatejamminfriend FromTaiwan <92981897@yahoo.com.tw>, John Callanan Jr , gvogler@cox.net, Brian Good , Garrick Hudson , Gary Lehmann , "george.henry@pawnee.org" <'george.henry@pawnee.org'>, "Gloworm67401@hotmail.com" <'gloworm67401@hotmail.com'>, "gmikeh@nckcn.com" <'gmikeh@nckcn.com'>, Graphite Products , greg grisolano , Greg McDowell , Greg Melching , linda grilz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662256.88793.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Dan wrote: > http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp > Doggone it Im personally emailing this out to everyone because I have family and very close > friends who work at Starbucks. They treat them very well and with a lot of respect. Slim and > none truth in this rumour. Even the Marine who sent out the original emails admits to not doing > his homework to verify what another disgruntled Marine told him before sending out this email to > 10 of his friends or so. He feels very sorry for what was started and is doing what he can to > make the truth known. Plus did you know not only is Starbucks Coffee and Teas Fresh but its > also > available Organic and Chemical Free!!! Yeahhhhhhhhh shouts your bodies :o) Extra plus they > always let me play when I want to in their stores and on their properties despite the policy of > not supposed to be letting people do that without corporate contracts and all that jazz! > I AM SORRY IF YOU GET MULTIPLE COPIES IM SURE THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS BUT I HAVE YET TO > LEARN HOW TO DO THAT YET MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU ALL WITH HEALTH, HARMONY, PEACE, > PROSPERITY, WISDOM, LOVE AND JOY, In Jesus Christs most holy name I pray, I LOVE you all thank > you > for the many years of support you have all given and continue to give me I AM WORKING ON MY NEW > SOLO CD COMPILATION WITH FRIENDS SO DONT GIVE UP ON MY YET!!! PLEASE!!!! > ALL ONE OR NONE! > BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE FOR ALL OF HUMANITYS SAKE and LOVE ONE ANOTHER RIGHT NOW! > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 16:20:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7833BECF; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6eNLRpSCc4SSVlTFFAEgDvjol1PkmI8G84KV3TVZmULJ1Jyfkw8pXc3fMDSNwPlP7tw86kx8PAdFthho/G2/QjmLLdYuzymwe+iGsv7DWenAAaCk7q/Jt6LL8ZhY1LsBBfAVm1h9wyKAHLgRMGveurwHvkvWwShJxy5seoxceI4=; X-YMail-OSG: 4MIfso4VM1nPf5Gc4GXbOnP61rM93clqkJJLvkXEep2UMiinhK91EvgHbIVn6ZOc8YxR5puaSXgd1jc20eMtqUMfrKwc4MHVZv1yP5D_MOpjm9g- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! *** NOT Forwarded ***THIS IS PERSONAL PLEASE HELP ME STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!! To: Debbie , Tami Brumbaugh , "aaldrich@yahoo.com" <'aaldrich@yahoo.com'>, "adrinathorpe_news@hotmail.com" , "aerdmann@valeotopeka.org" <'aerdmann@valeotopeka.org'>, Akasha Skaldeman , Derrick Able , Al Letner , Ally Sutton , "Alpha1wolfe@yahoo.com" <'alpha1wolfe@yahoo.com'>, Don Alder , Analog Missionary , Andy McKee Mailing List , Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder , Jim and Belinda , Joy and Scott Leeper , Michelle and Matt , Mikrut Kevin and Jenna , Rochelle and Bethea , Sant Ananchai , Tellman and Stephanie , Thano and Demitri Sahnas , babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, Barbara Hill , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , "bdecker@valeotopeka.org" <'bdecker@valeotopeka.org'>, Becky Beasley , Ben , ben davis , Bethea Jenner , betsy gordon , blake minton , blake psychology , "bledsoe@wmhci.org" <'bledsoe@wmhci.org'>, Bob Weigel , Bose Corporation , "brandi_majors@yahoo.com" <'brandi_majors@yahoo.com'>, brian berndt , Jim Goodin , Julian Westhoff , Michelle Fuqua , Carmen Hill , "cespinoza@valeotopeka.org" <'cespinoza@valeotopeka.org'>, chair social work dept , chris astrophysics , Christine Rage , csm chicago , Clara Ziegler , clint baker , colleen hayse , "crystall39@hotmail.com" <'crystall39@hotmail.com'>, Cyndee Harvey , Darain Conrady , Donald DeLong , deanal@skilonline.com, Daryl Needham , dawnua dawson , "dbludworth@bertnash.org" <'dbludworth@bertnash.org'>, deanna bishop , "deck318@netzero.net" <'deck318@netzero.net'>, Dennis Jamison , deuce , Diane Holtz , Diane Strick , ecopeland05@hotmail.com, experienceincite@aol.com, "Dr. Eric A Shearer" , Elizabeth Darling , eric dutton , Eric Redlhammer , "etatzed@aol.com" <'etatzed@aol.com'>, ken epperson , mike masonite , WaveOfLove UniversalLifeTools , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, fbadley2556@esagelink.com, "flowers_tina@yahoo.com" <'flowers_tina@yahoo.com'>, Jeffrey Furst , jim foresman , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , John Fittell , JP Nickel , June Favati , Mark White , Wheatstatejamminfriend FromTaiwan <92981897@yahoo.com.tw>, John Callanan Jr , gvogler@cox.net, Brian Good In-Reply-To: <809632.57177.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <782055.15218.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Dan wrote: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp Doggone it Im personally emailing this out to everyone because I have family and very close friends who work at Starbucks. They treat them very well and with a lot of respect. Slim and none truth in this rumour. Even the Marine who sent out the original emails admits to not doing his homework to verify what another disgruntled Marine told him before sending out this email to 10 of his friends or so. He feels very sorry for what was started and is doing what he can to make the truth known. Plus did you know not only is Starbucks Coffee and Teas Fresh but its also available Organic and Chemical Free!!! Yeahhhhhhhhh shouts your bodies :o) Extra plus they always let me play when I want to in their stores and on their properties despite the policy of not supposed to be letting people do that without corporate contracts and all that jazz! I AM SORRY IF YOU GET MULTIPLE COPIES IM SURE THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS BUT I HAVE YET TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT YET MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS YOU ALL WITH HEALTH, HARMONY, PEACE, PROSPERITY, WISDOM, LOVE AND JOY, In Jesus Christs most holy name I pray, I LOVE you all thank> you for the many years of support you have all given and continue to give me I AM WORKING ON MY NEW SOLO CD COMPILATION WITH FRIENDS SO DONT GIVE UP ON MY YET!!! PLEASE!!!! ALL ONE OR NONE! BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE FOR ALL OF HUMANITYS SAKE and LOVE ONE ANOTHER RIGHT NOW! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 18:19:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B73EC3BECF; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=QpwSFozlPZbpc9kmCxerfyjdPgpvICFIoOeVoEIHh/I=; b=fv/Hkag/v2P5lZwxUpvC0ZiqYvGyrnSJ+0ZZXtqw8UWZ2lI8KzLijQ+IKcqtHTwIBVa88xaf5aRz4RifIPdGjGddxXP+kARFoe0eMsewN9SL1vhficDbSuSco7lCM9hWuV5py4nHZchlpxw+4eIiSuiimkV9ybbZBdVlFWn2reQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FL8xG143I+dIc/ltHD74z4VqAQ2ldG+Fi2zDDqDe8B7z/Y3v9n3ZLkqtufTsrFXOrxr797yGhIJF4NRF9kC5BkEDOD9B16p02OWQTHyQZ1M+a8zq1eFGT0zYRiZtSDA5/rWyeNzfx4PkbzyXYqiT232OiQMjDgwk6a+locsA7Os= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:19:27 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopers in Seattle? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Im headed to Seattle to Visit for a month and was wondering if there are any Live Loopers doing any shows during the June/July period. I am from South Africa and we are a bit starved on this side of the world. I was hoping to catch some shows of percussionists embracing live looping. If any one knows of any shows or artists That are worth checking out please could you let me know. Would be much appreciated. Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBDED3BECA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c85c60$2f78c980$8801a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <20080119163335.M35365@cruzio.com> <20080119124514.4rre2od6dc8kkg4c@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: NAMM report: Friday Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:02:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Believe it or not, this is my first time on the computer since NAMM started. It is good to be home. I've decided that the best thing about NAMM is being able to talk to people that you don't normally get to see face-to-face. It was a real joy for me having Rick, Bill and Steve playing music in the Looperlative booth. They were all amazing. At one point Kim said to me that we had the weirdest music in all of the NAMM show at our booth which I'm really proud of. Thanks, Kim, it was so good to see you again. All in all, it was a wonderful show. I got to meet some people that I've never met before and I got see people that I haven't seen since last year. It is a very amazing gathering. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 19:48:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F41993BEC7; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c85c66$a250c100$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Timefactor looper Eventide response Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C85C66.A2368240"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <1zRnVD.A.IuD.OcPlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C85C66.A2368240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0038_01C85C66.A2368240" ------=_NextPart_001_0038_01C85C66.A2368240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank(in response to my question - it's what we've gathered...) 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Thank you for contacting us and providing your feedback!
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0038_01C85C66.A2368240-- ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C85C66.A2368240 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <003601c85c66$a231c750$6c052052@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C85C66.A2368240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:38:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1D23BEC7; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080121203649365.594631C00096@mwinf2107.orange.fr Message-ID: <479502D7.8040800@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:38:47 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Max/MSP (Re: Live Looping Interface) References: <66f9cc1e0801202350q67987d99pf72dc42a31339161@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801202350q67987d99pf72dc42a31339161@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Thank you, Stefan, but that is exactly why I'm not buying Max/MSP; a > third party extension is needed. In this case its free, but you have to deal with problems of that particular tool with somebody else, which isn't that cool... > When hearing developers talking about the AU protocol it just seems > to be a good system and something you'd better support from the > ground and up. I do agree on that completely... > It seems the Max concept as a whole also needs "workarounds" when > dealing with tempo related processes - which is the very nature of > looping and also the way I look at music (ie measuring "time" as > related to a given tempo instead of absolute values as milliseconds). It looks like that, but that for sure is not true. Much of the confusion is maybe just because of names of objects. The metro object which I would expect to use BPM, does want milliseconds, but there is a tempo object which does the same and more with BPM. But anyway these kinds of calculations you do once and forget them by creating wrappers for your own taste. Its not "workarounds" its the principle, that will lead you to adapt everything to your own weird ideas. Especially those ideas you'd never try to tell any commercial tool maker because there will be only a single person market for it... > I don't think Max is bad or anything, but my interested is not in > programming per se, only in getting some specific software tools to > make music with. I agree, you might be better served with something like a Capybara/Kyma system. That will give you nice tools right out of the box, and its much smarter dealing with conversions automatically and alike. Its as flexible as Max, but there is less need to do everything from scratch... Its expensive though (way out of my reach), but you'll get world class converters with it, and a "you'll never know when its obsolte" platform... ;-) To get around this problem you'd better go for Pd, but it doesn't seem to attract as many loopers as Max, still too much geekyness required... > As for my recent needs Plogue Bidule is faster for me for setting up > certain patches I need. I used to think that I may buy Max/MSP to > create a looper, as I want it, but this doesn't seem to be needed > either today, thanks to the direction Loogelloop is taking. Maybe in > the future, if Loogelloop gets its act together, I might buy Max for > the direct purpose of creating plug-in extensions to that looper. I don't know if Logelloop will ever be open sourced for customers, that would make it even simpler to add your own toys. But there is also lloopp, which is open source, that also could be a starting point for modifying an existing tool for your own needs... But tools remain a matter of taste, thats so nice about it... I don't know if I'd ever brush up my own "Ondes Memorielles" for everybodies use. Its probably too much hassle... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:41:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D73A3BECF; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:41:06 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #563 for January 17, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47950362.6050401@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:41:17 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/080117.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #563 January 17, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk two from "Are You Sequenced?" on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#jan PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Psicodreamics The Crypt of Despair Ambienthernum (Witches on the Radiowaves) Adrian Beasley Turbines/Generators Powerhouse (none) VA [Build] Untitled Favourite Places (Audiobulb) ARC Rapture Fracture (DiN) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Vat Was Dat? Are You Sequenced? (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from "Timewind" on Revisited Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 20:53:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5409E3BECA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=nP7Q94A3IetGWFc2/rEiNwr500TO5WiV4XyBSZ7L1b8=; b=PnSJmniH3DYBaTjz5clQbcwVnc8VGytlDHWlaDxXiNGgLIaddacy0+sDWXvZCKx5MtQmBqG5Ej9ePcRfe1pwa2lppWiSSfIGeCvpjc/tH/TVxtb/K7okPQZ2bg6CtKKngawv0nGhp6wcjcwzYnuPJpMnm6pXDLVqXqo48M98c7E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=I1g3mhSvHNj3PrAue1LOwybSazkbDPIwl/ftYsgdVmy27u0E4SOt+MBcoKvfEOrvTt2aKsqt1zgipbqctYkAG+me4s8uRkMZ77D/plLrenxELxE1BE32IkCbgeQjmyp0ea5n1rTV1J4dWL3FiU3s5Iauegz5xyY48eue/E7lzM4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801211253i473ee458ha009091d5e01b89e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:53:26 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: NAMM: Ableton Live + Max/MSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:53:29 +0000 (UTC) One particular area of interest at this NAMM show was to learn about what the announced collaboration between Cycling74 and Ableton might bring. Being just a virtual NAMM attender I found this report with pictures posted at the Live forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82804&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 "Although they couldn't say what the relationship between the two companies would create, the clues are all here. I think Max will eventually allow you to build synths and effects inside Live, and Live will also allow you to control video for performing. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg..." -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:29:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2ACC3BED0; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <4794A045.7060405@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: RE: Vortex Conga rediscovered Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:01 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c85c74$a41a5510$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Achcbm+qYxVDHcxBTK+tXyvUUUBQWAABhZtA In-Reply-To: <4794A045.7060405@post.cybercity.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:29:07 +0000 (UTC) > Did you study Turkish/Arab/Indian scales and intonations? not consciously but I guess I soaked them up a bit over the years :-) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:40:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040943BED6; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tS8PoCo8UxSNTyyh+wVEpbS1bB/y6v3GS8tN7n6FQBAeE90Ufg2DNaWM2j78zVh30PKUEq4fAkX0OXZrKhdNsXEi/URQKZz3sfpE3d9JVJehVqcCJU+e1NFYfNwrsd8Ft1RaZ0tHZQlg1bac0JAJv3CgJ5z8jY3oAdGwyykC5RE=; X-YMail-OSG: RlwugG8VM1kJbg_OijjKloW7cdj2rNSjgGgl4w3lECizfb_G0MglX0.k9jVkUJ6cA99T1VwSCDdmQrvxRrLkznea1Kaqamh4kFPP8O7T8kRzC7pnxq8- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Vortex Conga rediscovered To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001701c85c1c$1c7fb3f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <940846.52446.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:40:22 +0000 (UTC) wow, the bass synth is coming from the GT-5? i guess this were nice floor units, the roland gp-100 rack preamp which came out around thatz time didn´t have anything like that.I am actually quite excited about the GT-10 with its new integrated looper i am just waiting to see if they will release a rack version of it! cheers mate Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > > > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > > > Michael very very nice! > > thanks Luis > > > where are that conga and bass synth loop coming > from? > > the conga comes from an ancient Emax sampler which > has a simple sequencer. > The bass synth is a GT-5 patch played by the guitar. > I guess what I did (but > I don't remember because this was made 8 or 9 years > ago) is feed the conga > and the bass together into the EDP. > > -Michael > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:43:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D1F33BED3; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=XcqAAV5P2v1IrZ+lyigZ+NJK19AYwECuv4hdP6f5n9E=; b=Q6sj3QxnvNCgq8264XYzoR/BEsisNQ4pPGMby2arui+dnoNwbDqrvnXtIHkTy4RdALFxz9bwwz0TcKqESVAywu9oqYtdGPPx/rTmj6JvH0Lq2W2p8NqniXn2QjfT+oRgqEdMcPANLypY9jyNggBF9xx5OWK8FCjtdd/kSowT8Ps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=F7xPcoZm01AwUSAKUFDpXJL7rsNveZtDcqQBmcq+d7wrRwsFK3wzR2589oinQ4x+i2a6zXFhb2LvL10sy5Beq6qZsZejtn9AzKcerWzRWvBH86bJL1vWN5ILEbZLoAiz5x8BHTPo2Z33UD9KzcOb6KZXqtbYweHHRVvNM4M4lUg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:43:34 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sought after effect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-8qOT.A.Uj.IIRlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Can anybody tell me if this exists? I'm looking for a stand-alone version of a pitch wheel from a synth. It'd let me do expressive pitch bends on anything I plug into it, but snap back into place when I let it go. That's it. The closest thing I've found is the "Whammy" pedal - pretty close to what I need, but I'm looking for something hand-operated. Anyone? Just got a Kaoss pad this weekend too - haven't had the chance to play with it yet. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:44:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857773BEDC; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:44:50 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=klSp2wOHyHAOHtsQRTwSr4qkCu9Lha11Bu8AH5QxfrDv9xlXFRX0rspZ5yeO9s6SHWDNeTd1tujjNxxkzB1pBhN82jIEpJDlQZZAgrf+qg8er42FUw0l2ToEYOCx8zJDjjhnSgcMIWQfoI/jQRNFotIFAUEr8C+X0XhQh6W6EW0=; X-YMail-OSG: JiTbZrUVM1ny42pI3PkTtctZDz_lGxfcVjNajf4tm1.Gfz2wILrfD5p00WmWkkHiR.FpGfkdy6.ia6zDMfJ6U_0knUTMo16o4SJuErkjNztUctVKL1gGbU3LZLvWog-- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! *** NOT Forwarded ***THIS IS PERSONAL PLEASE HELP ME STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <782055.15218.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1709774920-1200951488=:5134" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <815057.5134.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <44gSeB.A.5p.SJRlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:44:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-1709774920-1200951488=:5134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lurker sufacing....guys no disrespect intended here but isn't this kinda off topic. i usuly don't post...cause i'm not that great of a looper..but i'm learning......as for the coffee place you may not want to be so supportive of big corporate..........http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55564 ...........K Dan wrote: www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Dan wrote: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp Doggone it Im personally emailing this out to everyone because I have family and very close friends who work at Starbucks. They treat them very well and with a lot of respect. Slim and none truth in this rumour. ////////// --0-1709774920-1200951488=:5134 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit lurker sufacing....guys no disrespect intended here but isn't this kinda off topic. i usuly don't post...cause  i'm not that great of a looper..but i'm learning......as for the coffee  place you may not want to be so supportive  of  big corporate..........http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55564                 ...........K

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--0-1709774920-1200951488=:5134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 21:50:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460133BEDA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINNlcuPFQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Sought after effect Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:51:05 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c85c77$b8e57c10$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Achcdq2wdbTfiqixQGCKnv9RzzpLAgAAIRQw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:50:28 +0000 (UTC) > I'm looking for a stand-alone version of a pitch wheel from a synth. > It'd let me do expressive pitch bends on anything I plug into > it, but snap back into place when I let it go. That's it. What I don't get exactly is whether this thing should generate MIDI pitch bend info or pitch shift an audio signal. If the former: one solution is the Doepfer spare wheel together with the wheel electronics http://www.doepfer.de/we.htm If the latter: yes, the Kaoss Pad (any Kaoss pad) will do for that, although if you're more into characteristic kind of eighties lo-fi pitch bending, the KP1 will be your best choice. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 22:14:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553AE3BED0; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=StQA9hn59nftzMvbtPpOyB3TITYbIeQTc/e7wvx85bs=; b=rteX4V53dJ+dOM5UNcErJkqlMEDl8xCz33fiXKF707T/3VYUxlSKhnDZwMjziKuwZJttkDUBRLZHBgIIiWSHfxJXgvDCUjdJeocbRkNAzsNNuUON9YhmnWdFgg97fbYq1ngHmS4fGcfW7si38QqXFdP/eyAImJIMwjRMXZP+KUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q6hTx57ajrz1RoFK6PENRP/llrcpOOjU/VHRmk/kNawUofPHJYuSRcCH1R1+k8hGtsBTiMyec3aTO424J2+N2OUEeaJAFxNdvJL1/OExaLwxx2blg2TYWvM9DPF1abIy2bHbyI/2xw/paWY+0sYB5MenyIHV35JWKzWdTZG2cOg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:14:33 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sought after effect In-Reply-To: <001501c85c77$b8e57c10$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c85c77$b8e57c10$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <5RMoKD.A.mnB.KlRlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Looking for something that directly modifies the audio, since MIDI is for nerds. ;) Up till now I've been using my Dr. Sample as a pitch bender - that's a knob, and it's a little hard to get it 'back in tune' after a little twist. Thanks for pointing out that little box though! Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Jan 21, 2008 1:51 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > I'm looking for a stand-alone version of a pitch wheel from a synth. > > It'd let me do expressive pitch bends on anything I plug into > > it, but snap back into place when I let it go. That's it. > > What I don't get exactly is whether this thing should generate MIDI pitch > bend info or pitch shift an audio signal. > If the former: one solution is the Doepfer spare wheel together with the > wheel electronics > http://www.doepfer.de/we.htm > > If the latter: yes, the Kaoss Pad (any Kaoss pad) will do for that, although > if you're more into characteristic kind of eighties lo-fi pitch bending, the > KP1 will be your best choice. > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 23:13:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC093BECA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:13:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578379.68569.bm@omp209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xW1PhosmEeSpUxA5FDZR29iiJqAh4ts1yRy0Bbt/OSDNL7rMp6WhuZVg3bjzRLZiwGyfgUFk1Hy8pGZ40YhqpGOiGLemseFJO/TVA/fFgb6MLqannzMQXkOZX36YCk7vwSXfYiT1Fg94qaYF/RFqRkY0A5d39iPTr6q+fR60HhM=; X-YMail-OSG: JlabmYYVM1mPfhL3JLvo2jkSNfpMqjQfHlJ_crhFZiaTKgc7O4aJwTisewUcGK2sVYCQz1DeUCCKK7rxO5oIZTlcAmbZrngwW71xoCXf9LM9pEvEuDn6LKRW1WZLLw-- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:13:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Sought after effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <271217.20894.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:13:12 +0000 (UTC) I wonder if you could modify a joystick to connect to the 1/4" expression pedal jack on something like the Boss PS-3, 5 or 6... -t- --- Matt Davignon wrote: > Looking for something that directly modifies the > audio, since MIDI is > for nerds. ;) > Up till now I've been using my Dr. Sample as a pitch > bender - that's a > knob, and it's a little hard to get it 'back in > tune' after a little > twist. http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 23:54:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 318FA3BEC7; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <271217.20894.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <271217.20894.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:54:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Sought after effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:54:46 +0000 (UTC) At 3:13 PM -0800 1/21/08, Tim Nelson wrote: >I wonder if you could modify a joystick to connect to >the 1/4" expression pedal jack on something like the >Boss PS-3, 5 or 6... I'd agree. But instead of a modified joystick, try a Devi Ever PEEP: http://www.deviever.com/fx/peep/index.html Photo-eye device that plugs into any expression pedal jack (such as the ones on the Boss pedals mentioned above). You can most likely use it with other pitch shifters that have expression inputs. They're tiny, cheap, and handy as hell. Works great! --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 00:06:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9943BED2; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <66E58371-B06C-4DA4-9C40-46C8114A9597@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Another Sought After Effect (MAX/MSP?) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:06:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-KvODB.A.EBF.OOTlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Im interested in combining two sources of audio. However, I need to split the two signals into two bands of frequency (high and low). I also need the crossover point to be sweep-able and the overlap or lack thereof (like a notch filter) to also be controlled easily. I can do this of course in Live using 2 tracks and 2 filters but getting the settings right is laborious. A practical application would using 2 pickups in an acoustic guitar. Using the lows of one and the highs of the other. Phase control would also be nice. Would Max/MSP be capable of such device? Is there a simple solution Im missing? 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Puoi To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "Andre Wirths" , "Guido Erfen" , "Matthias Ebbinghaus" , "Markus Reuter" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Walter_Br=FChn?= , "Leander Reininghaus" , "'Simeon Harris'" , Subject: Vortex Conga rediscovered Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:28:16 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C85A32.3030D370" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchaKc0NgwwevKcbSsK07AH4Lq3l8g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:28:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C85A32.3030D370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While searching for a DAT cassette with field recordings that were supposed to be published (and not finding it), I was delighted to rediscover another DAT cassette from about 1999 that I had completely forgotten. It contains a variety of things, one of them a surprisingly charming (imo) guitar loop improvisation over a sampled conga pattern (a 10 second snippet of it is contained on my MY2K diary so it might sound familiar.) The sustainer guitar gets its sound from a Lexicon Vortex patch that I have also lost in the meantime. http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C85A32.3030D370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While searching for a DAT cassette = with field=20 recordings that were supposed to be published (and not finding it), I = was=20 delighted to rediscover another DAT cassette from about 1999 that I had=20 completely forgotten. It contains a variety of things, one of them a=20 surprisingly charming (imo) guitar loop improvisation over a sampled = conga=20 pattern (a 10 second snippet of it is contained on my MY2K diary so it = might=20 sound familiar.) The sustainer guitar gets its sound from a Lexicon = Vortex patch=20 that I have also lost in the meantime. http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp= 3

Michael = www.michaelpeters.de

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C85A32.3030D370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 00:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED1703BECD; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 570463.82088.bm@omp506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=l1l85A4XWhT4kuWR07R6tBg1RQAoDC9ehFaIXK+VpuONDPGlGpr/Gxp3Z0bUOiV0j97qWERnahc8IdnvHqRB7qjaV9vAi+MYrHb9zgn+kOmp49CnefVV8ce/+kTPaZmezxyTKv5x1cTZwPG1hO/LnldmBi4zEhsJa3LDoOY8cUQ=; X-YMail-OSG: kD.gjBUVM1lL68FJtWEFi6pd_uJshJSuDdvb3Vy_A0.DcTX8gqVEVY9PwwWOe8vjuYgnQ3sSjtr130fNnU0s0PpurYv6MJKXQrAMguNNjQze7HbDBnztQ2QP2P9GUw-- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Michele Bokanowski? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <365258.69719.qm@web45101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:23:44 +0000 (UTC) I have no idea how she loops (I suspect old-school delays and tape editing), but Michele Bokanowski is definitely one to check out. She's done scores for the avant-garde films of her husband, Patrick Bokanowski. ("L'Ange", etc. ) Very cool stuff. -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 02:53:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05CFB3BEC1; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4791669B.3040601@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:55:23 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Conga rediscovered References: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > While searching for a DAT cassette with field recordings that were > supposed to be published (and not finding it), I was delighted to > rediscover another DAT cassette from about 1999 that I had completely > forgotten. It contains a variety of things, one of them a surprisingly > charming (imo) guitar loop improvisation over a sampled conga pattern (a > 10 second snippet of it is contained on my MY2K diary so it might sound > familiar.) The sustainer guitar gets its sound from a Lexicon Vortex > patch that I have also lost in the meantime. > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de Very nice, both the arrangement, playing, rythm and sounds ;) Do you remember anything about the Vortex patch? What did you use for the solo guitar? Instrument, processing.. It's a great open crisp attacky sound! Since I got my Digitech TSR24 and Vortex, I've been experimenting with quite different sound scapes than before; more open, ethereal, way more into cleans. Fretless guitar definetely later.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 07:49:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 795AB3BED0; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080119074945672.106437000092@mwinf2a02.orange.fr Message-ID: <4791AB94.7020103@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:49:40 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording with > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro > Tools though. Its always the same story with digi, if you want other software running reliably, you need an additional interface. I have only experience with the old M-box and that sometimes bugs out even with protools. This is even true for an interface like the Digi 002. We had a concert recently where three in words 3 different digi 002 all bugged out (probably some dirty mains, but thats a guess...) fortunately I had an old Motu mark I as 4th backup which saved the session, as we only wanted to play complete sound files, which I could easily play with Max/MSP... For the speed, USB 1.1 would be fast enough even for 96/24 as the M-box has only two channels, but there are other issues which seem to make it less reliable (especially in combination with Digi). Firewire is made for streaming, USB is made for mice not for mics... I'd never trust digi if you need it live. ProTools is a great software, but Dizzydesigns hardware and drivers are a nightmare, and customer service literally doesn't exist, unless you buy the big packets with support... Sorry, the only thing I love about Digi is the rants... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 10:28:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FF153BED2; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080119102835851.CFDD770001DC@mwinf2e28.orange.fr Message-ID: <4791D0D2.2090209@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:28:34 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Livelooping Festival in Cologne, May31st References: <001801c853a8$e0d4c230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <001801c853a8$e0d4c230$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters schrieb: > Please let me know (maybe offlist) if you want to perform too. Ja, wäre schön mal auf einem Loopers-Delight Festival dabeizusein... Ich käme ausser mit meinem "Ondes Memorielles" noch mit diversen Klangschalen und Plastikflaschen. Am liebsten ist es mir andere Musiker vor Ort durch meine Memoires zu schicken, trete aber auch solo auf. Eine Kombination mit einer Klanginstallation davor und/oder danach wäre auch denkbar... Köln hat auch den Vorteil, daß es ziemlich genau zwischen Paris und Berlin liegt, ich bin ja ein Pendler zwischen den Metropolen... Bin gespannt obs klappt... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 11:01:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C543BEDD; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c85a8a$7b5c6aa0$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> <4791AB94.7020103@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:00:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C85A9B.3EBA5A10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:01:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C85A9B.3EBA5A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i would like to ask you a protools related question. i would like to buy a macbookpro and install both macosx and windows xp. = would like to install protools and other sound design softwares like = metasynth, soundhack, msp to the mac side. and i would like to install = cubase, soundforge, audiomulch to the pc side. would this work? thanks and best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine www.newalbion.com/NA131 www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Tiedje=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface Per Boysen schrieb: > I think it is a good deal if you buy it for mixing and recording = with > Pro Tools. You get an awful lot of software bundled as well. I would > not dare to recommend it for use with other applications than Pro > Tools though. Its always the same story with digi, if you want other software = running=20 reliably, you need an additional interface. I have only experience with the old M-box and that sometimes bugs out=20 even with protools. This is even true for an interface like the Digi=20 002. We had a concert recently where three in words 3 different digi = 002=20 all bugged out (probably some dirty mains, but thats a guess...)=20 fortunately I had an old Motu mark I as 4th backup which saved the=20 session, as we only wanted to play complete sound files, which I could = easily play with Max/MSP... For the speed, USB 1.1 would be fast enough even for 96/24 as the = M-box=20 has only two channels, but there are other issues which seem to make = it=20 less reliable (especially in combination with Digi). Firewire is made=20 for streaming, USB is made for mice not for mics... I'd never trust digi if you need it live. ProTools is a great = software,=20 but Dizzydesigns hardware and drivers are a nightmare, and customer=20 service literally doesn't exist, unless you buy the big packets with=20 support... Sorry, the only thing I love about Digi is the rants... ;-) Stefan --=20 Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C85A9B.3EBA5A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
 
i would like to ask you a protools related question.
 
i would like to buy a macbookpro and install both macosx and = windows xp.=20 would like to install protools and other sound design softwares like = metasynth,=20 soundhack, msp to the mac side. and i would like to install cubase, = soundforge,=20 audiomulch to the pc side. would this work?
 
thanks and best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
*=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is = out on New=20 Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A= /sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF= 8
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan=20 Tiedje
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 19, = 2008 9:49=20 AM
Subject: Re: Live Looping = Interface

Per Boysen schrieb:
> I think it is a good deal = if you=20 buy it for mixing and recording with
> Pro Tools. You get an = awful lot=20 of software bundled as well. I would
> not dare to recommend it = for use=20 with other applications than Pro
> Tools though.

Its = always the=20 same story with digi, if you want other software running
reliably, = you=20 need an additional interface.
I have only experience with the old = M-box and=20 that sometimes bugs out
even with protools. This is even true for = an=20 interface like the Digi
002. We had a concert recently where three = in=20 words 3 different digi 002
all bugged out (probably some dirty = mains, but=20 thats a guess...)
fortunately I had an old Motu mark I as 4th = backup which=20 saved the
session, as we only wanted to play complete sound files, = which I=20 could
easily play with Max/MSP...

For the speed, USB 1.1 = would be=20 fast enough even for 96/24 as the M-box
has only two channels, but = there=20 are other issues which seem to make it
less reliable (especially = in=20 combination with Digi). Firewire is made
for streaming, USB is = made for=20 mice not for mics...

I'd never trust digi if you need it live. = ProTools=20 is a great software,
but Dizzydesigns hardware and drivers are a=20 nightmare, and customer
service literally doesn't exist, unless = you buy=20 the big packets with
support...

Sorry, the only thing I = love about=20 Digi is the rants... ;-)

Stefan

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------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C85A9B.3EBA5A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 11:57:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5DDC3BEDA; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7b07MW5+v74loyyzCJ216ukebr6bXtk5Dbes3hnySJ0=; b=GQaUdZNRwF2eujLDGLVpSTg+Io5akvxvtQh95ABDYVJfKFxiNJKiC4+FGNP8N2J/XV+JgmeXSZ68Vs6y6Q6CQmcoWeexRuPo2tGd0Y51yQocpEZ6H/E7ACAlQl2OEAnGvyje3H5u/qZJoXp0RKGF8dieOLCD3+fI1qTRMcBACiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q9OpNbm2CBC3S3HhD74+EyZtwIcMNHgUMTFZIExzvrSCkQftP+RD+2ZZBI70vw2y6P9l+3Iwj5oE+93/EbL6uI00+8MiD3qrI+ph+yBSxWEyHr/++MezZwBWIotwD2IvlJ8bjST5hsP6+n4V3Nl47czi+CgBUIXzFtn6+Xd10jI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801190357t455f266bm140e43088bc34844@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:57:58 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface In-Reply-To: <006901c85a8a$7b5c6aa0$0300000a@erdem> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> <4791AB94.7020103@addcom.de> <006901c85a8a$7b5c6aa0$0300000a@erdem> Resent-Message-ID: <7o2ilB.A.X2G.HXekHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:57:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 19, 2008 12:00 PM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > > hi, > > i would like to ask you a protools related question. > > i would like to buy a macbookpro and install both macosx and windows xp. > would like to install protools and other sound design softwares like > metasynth, soundhack, msp to the mac side. and i would like to install > cubase, soundforge, audiomulch to the pc side. would this work? The shorter the question the longer answer it demands. ;-)) --> Pro Tools You need to use an audio interface from Digidesign in order to run Pro Tools. Stay away from the cheap M-Box USB interfaces and it will work fine with other software as well. --> Metasynth At http://uisoftware.com/PAGES/leopard.html they write "Audio playback does not work in Leopard. Use the 16-bit version (MetaSynth 4.0), if you need to run Leopard." The 16-bit version is "MetaSynth" while the 24-bit version is "MetaSynth Pro". I could not find any info in their web sit, or in my own MS Pro installation documents, regarding compatibility with Intel processor Apple machines (Universal Binary version). So you may have to research this a bit more. Why not email Eric (developer) directly with the question? (and post what you find here, for us all to learn). Since it's also in my own interest to find out I can try to move my MetaSynt Pro 4.0 from the G5 into a MacBook here and see how it works. Since it's not a looping oriented topic, I can report back privately in about four hours since I have a student session in moment. --> SoundHack, Max/MSP I just heard yesterday that a guy on an Intel Mac recommends SoundHack to fiddle with file structure etc so I guess it would work fine. Max/MSP seems to be in a new phase of rapid development now so you should read up on www.cycling74.com. I remember there were something that kept me away from investing in it now, maybe because they are not finished with the AU support, I don't remember and don't have the time either. But many people use it on modern computers. There's a good Max forum too at Cycling74.com. --> cubase, soundforge, audiomulch Anything that works on a regular PC works on a new Mac booted into Windows by Apple's BootCamp fix. To get the right mouse button functionality by clicking with the cntrl button pressed down you should get the free Apple Mouse Utility: http://www.geocities.com/pronto4u/applemouse.html I dropped into the Windows Start-up objects folder, which is pretty convenient. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 12:09:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37AF3BEDC; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 14122815/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACp3kUc+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIrhQ X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:09:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Torn video online Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4791E888.32305.6FDBEC@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:09:50 +0000 (UTC) I've uploaded one of my DT videos. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KngIToOA1E As you can see, I had a decent view ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 12:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778163BED5; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <4791669B.3040601@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: RE: Vortex Conga rediscovered Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:33:17 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c85a97$7852e840$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4791669B.3040601@post.cybercity.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Achak7vdvbh7NOlVQJenD3U0HF2bKwAAyi4A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:33:21 +0000 (UTC) > > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > Very nice, both the arrangement, playing, rythm and sounds ;) thank you! > Do you remember anything about the Vortex patch? it was based on patch 1 (Reflection) > What did you use for the solo guitar? Instrument, processing.. > It's a great open crisp attacky sound! a Fernandez sustainer guitar - not much processing really except for the Vortex. The overtones and sustain are done by the sustainer. Here are some guitar/gear photos and more recent music: www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 13:18:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFF823BEE2; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6M/5qJwUrt9U+l8M/hatFgbU0qGBO1TPtq/XdmVoU/c=; b=k0pt6b+SPitqF2THjJXiIs9+7wAG13W7slh2uNUrfa6eJ0uQLCTic3pyKYKKCMINxxQHde++IKxCdgr9rpV9PFefAQYs3mxMoGbTafdMFghqF1RHyx/heG/WPudbiP8huw6tJTxuwp1wL4b9+qexvdGlMcMj/N60AZMO/oxpaYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UfffzEeJeXmOSGDC253N2QkIhZ+i3uEjRcF/Q9Frr7EHYaevRalWI+mEUEHEl1k1mrMSzEXTMCvhwETPs1YJfJaYz0Ydh1+T6kDwpigb7o6xRVCIeblSpk8kePXXNXnDk5sThgk+gtl+piZaL2qTfNRc5g1UrnnHGO6flUN5IXs= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:18:17 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Conga rediscovered In-Reply-To: <004001c85a97$7852e840$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10627_13469817.1200748697368" References: <4791669B.3040601@post.cybercity.dk> <004001c85a97$7852e840$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:18:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10627_13469817.1200748697368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I find amusing the scales used when soloing... very interesting Michael. Don't tell me this was just impro ;-) ... Cheers, Raul. 2008/1/19, Michael Peters : > > > > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > > Very nice, both the arrangement, playing, rythm and sounds ;) > > thank you! > > > > Do you remember anything about the Vortex patch? > > it was based on patch 1 (Reflection) > > > > What did you use for the solo guitar? Instrument, processing.. > > It's a great open crisp attacky sound! > > a Fernandez sustainer guitar - not much processing really except for the > Vortex. The overtones and sustain are done by the sustainer. > Here are some guitar/gear photos and more recent music: > www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm > > > -Michael > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_10627_13469817.1200748697368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I find amusing the scales used when soloing... very interesting Michael.
Don't tell me this was just impro ;-) ...

Cheers,
Raul.

2008/1/19, Michael Peters < mp@mpeters.de>:
> > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3
> Very nice, both the arrangement, playing, rythm and sounds ;)

thank you!


> Do you remember anything about the Vortex patch?

it was based on patch 1 (Reflection)


> What did you use for the solo guitar?  Instrument, processing..
> It's a great open crisp attacky sound!

a Fernandez sustainer guitar - not much processing really except for the
Vortex. The overtones and sustain are done by the sustainer.
Here are some guitar/gear photos and more recent music:
www.michaelpeters.de/livelooping2007.htm


-Michael




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_10627_13469817.1200748697368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 13:36:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008CE3BEE8; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c85a9e$b2dc6520$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:25:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:36:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. I've asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the DL4 but to a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, is to set a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, then remove the input (footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be the only way of getting a constantly held note. This way too, of course you can add to the drone... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby G" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: TimeFactor > > I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a > sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a > hiccup/dropout. > Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? > > thx > > > toby > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 13:37:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AD0F3BEEC; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c85b6a$355df470$0801a8c0@kleiner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <000701c854b0$cf7e7e50$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:17:09 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+X1pbsY90F/jLwGbHizdYxq1YCPoaUzLIe255 YNqnxPFVfYKdKBoh9WQibr7rSEwq2l1hCjmlQr+RT00disEukx JvA3O5es+rHoXmujDuC5HBbpDxsRyGE Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:35 +0000 (UTC) i believe my setup to be pretty light: ibm thinkpad with bidule loaded with moebius and some vsts. to control moebus and some vsts i have built a little usb device that emits joystick data. i have 4-7 footswitches and an expression pedal. and a soundcard and a volume pedal. the whole gear fits into my hand luggage and weighs little. i would like to fade single tracks in moebius with the expression pedal, but up to now i haven't solved a hick-up/granulating bug i get with moebius. i have tried several things, but up to now to no avail. smooth loops everybody - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:49 AM Subject: Live Looping signal chain - the most simple looping setup >> Mine is easy..... > > This makes me wonder...who does have the most simple looping setup? > Possible metrics for that: > * least number of devices > * least size/weight > * most simple with regard to processing possibilities > > Instruments do not count, amps count. Ah, and it has to have a looper in > it! > > I make the first submission: > Zoom G2.1u, Boss DD20 > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 13:37:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8D2D3BEFA; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c85b6a$36942a80$0801a8c0@kleiner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Subject: looper's nightmare at soundcheck Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:24:10 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01C85A10.1530DEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+FvFW1HEnA0TP8F306lepSNIQ3ZPlSgfIfDmO 4S/s9CP2y/EViVsIiLerWGdfg19W72F6dnO3CzP5WTe1vploQf qE+3g7pb5DbOrtUL5iY1ppRrgp38o31 Resent-Message-ID: <3B_zUC.A.6XB.g0fkHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:37:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C85A10.1530DEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow wow wow... had been playing at la paz, bolivia the day before. 4000 = meters altitude, cold. then i arrived at sea level in santa cruz, hot, humid climate. at the soundcheck, mobius started to work on its own: going into half = speed, multiplying, etc. without me touching anything. wow. i said wow = for about a minute. then i decided to get rid of all key commands and work with foot control = only. that helped. seems as if the humidity had sneaked under the keys and = triggered them. i was on guard for the rest of the night, expecting anarchy to break = loose at any moment... smooth looping - tilmann ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C85A10.1530DEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
wow wow wow... had been playing at la = paz, bolivia=20 the day before. 4000 meters altitude, cold.
then i arrived at sea level = in santa=20 cruz, hot, humid climate.
at the soundcheck, mobius started to = work on its=20 own: going into half speed, multiplying, etc. without me touching = anything. wow.=20 i said wow for about a minute.
then i decided to get rid of all key = commands=20 and work with foot control only.
that helped. seems as if the humidity = had sneaked=20 under the keys and triggered them.
 
i was on guard=20 for the rest of the night, expecting anarchy to break loose at any=20 moment...
 
smooth looping - = tilmann
------=_NextPart_000_0096_01C85A10.1530DEC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 14:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F25F3BEE8; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <4791E888.32305.6FDBEC@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <4791E888.32305.6FDBEC@nick.12testing.net> Subject: RE: Torn video online Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:26:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c85aa7$44359660$cca0c320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchalJFVlf8ov+18RF24Q64TmTziIQAEnT+w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D09140f6200005caf.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi Nick Thanks for posting the video! Wild hair-do ;-) and interesting guitar, it looks very similar to one of the guitars Henry Kaiser played at Y2K7. Anyone know more about this instrument? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Torn video online I've uploaded one of my DT videos. http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KngIToOA1E As you can see, I had a decent view ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 14:39:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABE413BEEA; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 408 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:39:01 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=C+0PZoKBEyqJaYemK5da1lsDDK1psU3X42ANm4rkMAo=; b=F5Lh0VJ9G7onEXBUMcP3yNApVS+9WD2I5f1cFLoYb+BSt06dMAnNp555sGWCU11oI9lLSo6UuTHwt6OoUVsbuRpp/cs9o0JrjD+hhuTt0IqOsdHcIGikx2KRtLALbvvka8QMu3VNvk4ftO85MogqGL/AUkkazZuFbLsQ8mh4Ha8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=D4doFSEF0DjUiUxhgk0+m5cYa+VNx0VyqaRdIpbfAk4QOPJuLvgZgvyyg5EeBEz+j1HkOza4H8lVBUPwuOETETKa5VZIOmcqCzXPMIXsU8n92tCWD4YSvMfPJtwpKfnIajgvkdpi4CbIhQjQfgigk03zP/VeQPvHlKtfahhpOEg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:32:11 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton live/trigger finger probs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Anyone out there who can fathom this prob?? Ive got an maudio trigger finger and ableton live 6. I want to setup my TF to trigger drum sounds, scenes and hopefully to get my livelooping setup in ableton ALA kid beyond although with drums and percussion. I am very new to this and this happens to be the topic of an honours research essay. I have gotten a signal coming through from the trigger finger and started triggering impulse rather easily although after about 30secs or so the connection is lost and I no longer recieve any midi signal from the trigger finger. I have tried reloading Ableton and turning the TF on/Off but to no avail. I am rather stumped. What could be the problem. Really need more than 30secs of connnection time to start this project The Newbie Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 14:46:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656B53BEEE; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=//UpLh9v9iRJBULCXToIbAb1fDqtqqfyK8lccrowDmM=; b=i4d9D040++JAsSn4dHx1iKbNy8BN1C+UGHC/5SlRa/1OSyDJOS45edxZixhKPdq1ZQK0OQBENySP4pYac4IhAsj9oMZO1zeJu6hS1WllzbC4/XM4mAUNwUNtKhtS4fQ58kvyj4a5RVw8L/goxONmfuFQ+ulpIQwslPhJ6H9OJbs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kwAbf0lPmCDXMl/9RqUZ2uMBHKjeV+/cd4l1BJmAU0xrcoRjfsQy5a7el6+jFTVlrYVJlonrmwJPMHeTMgJ3t6JyIpOw1wYtjZNyvWsUrUBmt0btzNBqHy5ZGvPP4ARD1OiIk/LXk09meISOm484lzyDD6p2dgeOXS7YOSzF4GQ= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:46:56 -0600 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton live/trigger finger probs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8635_21393675.1200754016705" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:46:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8635_21393675.1200754016705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm having a very similar problem with my Trigger Finger and Ableton Live 5. Googling seems to indicate that there are some problems with the drivers, and even this latest update (dated 12/31/07) doesn't fix the problem. Apparently, if you call M-Audio you get instructed to reinstall Windows. Uh, no. See the Harmony-Central reviews for the Trigger Finger to read more. For now, I'm just powering it with an adapter and sending MIDI through a standard MIDI port. Sucks. Doug On Jan 19, 2008 8:32 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > Anyone out there who can fathom this prob?? > > Ive got an maudio trigger finger and ableton live 6. I want to setup > my TF to trigger drum sounds, scenes and hopefully to get my > livelooping setup in ableton ALA kid beyond although with drums and > percussion. > > I am very new to this and this happens to be the topic of an honours > research essay. > > I have gotten a signal coming through from the trigger finger and > started triggering impulse rather easily although after about 30secs > or so the connection is lost and I no longer recieve any midi signal > from the trigger finger. I have tried reloading Ableton and turning > the TF on/Off but to no avail. I am rather stumped. What could be the > problem. > > Really need more than 30secs of connnection time to start this project > > The Newbie > Byron > > ------=_Part_8635_21393675.1200754016705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm having a very similar problem with my Trigger Finger and Ableton Live 5.  Googling seems to indicate that there are some problems with the drivers, and even this latest update (dated 12/31/07) doesn't fix the problem.  Apparently, if you call M-Audio you get instructed to reinstall Windows.  Uh, no.

See the Harmony-Central reviews for the Trigger Finger to read more.

For now, I'm just powering it with an adapter and sending MIDI through a standard MIDI port.

Sucks.

Doug

On Jan 19, 2008 8:32 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone out there who can fathom this prob??

Ive got an maudio trigger finger and ableton live 6. I want to setup
my TF to trigger drum sounds, scenes and hopefully to get my
livelooping setup in ableton ALA kid beyond although with drums and
percussion.

I am very new to this and this happens to be the topic of an honours
research essay.

I have gotten a signal coming through from the trigger finger and
started triggering impulse rather easily although after about 30secs
or so the connection is lost and I no longer recieve any midi signal
from the trigger finger. I have tried reloading Ableton and turning
the TF on/Off but to no avail. I am rather stumped. What could be the
problem.

Really need more than 30secs of connnection time to start this project

The Newbie
Byron


------=_Part_8635_21393675.1200754016705-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 15:08:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 781B53BEF1; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 318282.42832.bm@omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=db9SpkoDB7eu3JWMQzst35BDpurA9ChzeV7AfdDSOo64CJjk6/8MjKNXN12HBkD9Gq5zQ2wUvEi3MU3ikzcR6H2Did9C32pdJ3Rst+TCCOMMqd8NGzQUnyo64mmqwVsfnecjmGx5DzP8dom43pmK+jjKkodQHvQwTQMoRrqAyKA=; X-YMail-OSG: oiQxj8EVM1mBCNEt6PA3Cth24RUIXjHER9mmBfv_1v2WXYiro7lFXfjLlHHMRQIhthN60y1DHgwstI4dvxTLRUC1zCVNSnoFUJFyq4l4zxqI9J5h4cQ_EqioBh5mFA-- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Torn video online To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c85aa7$44359660$cca0c320$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <53913.66165.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:08:53 +0000 (UTC) I think it's a Teuffel Coco, but if so, it's got non-standard pickups and knobs. (The knobs look more like the Teuffel Tesla.) I like his hat. (I notice someone else had posted a clip from the previous night's show, and he was wearing the furry chapeau in it as well...) -t- --- Qua Veda wrote: > Hi Nick > Thanks for posting the video! Wild hair-do ;-) > and interesting guitar, > it looks very similar to one of the guitars Henry > Kaiser played at Y2K7. > Anyone know more about this instrument? > -Qua > http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KngIToOA1E http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 15:19:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70E293BEF6; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:18:59 UTC Message-ID: <48115.216.86.144.20.1200755638.squirrel@craigjgreen.com> In-Reply-To: <53913.66165.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <53913.66165.qm@web45110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:13:58 -0000 (GMT) Subject: RE: Torn video online From: craig@craigjgreen.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by courier 0.56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, He's playing on of Teuffel's new guitars called a NIWA, very cool! I use a Tesla which I totally love. Best, Craig Green > I think it's a Teuffel Coco, but if so, it's got > non-standard pickups and knobs. (The knobs look more > like the Teuffel Tesla.) > > > > I like his hat. (I notice someone else had posted a > clip from the previous night's show, and he was > wearing the furry chapeau in it as well...) > > -t- > > --- Qua Veda wrote: > >> Hi Nick >> Thanks for posting the video! Wild hair-do ;-) >> and interesting guitar, >> it looks very similar to one of the guitars Henry >> Kaiser played at Y2K7. >> Anyone know more about this instrument? >> -Qua > >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KngIToOA1E > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA9093BEFB; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=1lwNI8Q2BO+M+S+jt1/GxpxdHLelZXhgY7eTal1cZRA=; b=Kp+BteGcahLKRs3pFizCreJbWkOJD8y8ndaE0YlyJaCxnmDKrRuOVKYYzjZnonmTR/kdPl18JZHtrsmwEwBANzenBx0vxqEVk5eh8oOwNF/e5bYEArqXIbusf+uqeNHekDysXy4DHh/UgQj3u9omiJncPpUUNXPqVCpJR/D40+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FK5xDGdSDDxCAOdev/IHooq0jJXJk85jq84UB3zu9YvmR7M9NlDaRh9ps8KQWJfSsezncDa+jUnIoNRn3h18zxMsChnqwzpCngsQxE8xHQqJMlsAQ8oaaL3TJxhTRtjI4uwI4ddVVA2eoBr6LciIeo/0/deE+x3ORvb5APyV7jM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801190828h49694ff5m4a97c88b5206529f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:28:41 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Teuffel Guitars (was: Re: Torn video online) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:28:42 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 19, 2008 4:13 PM, wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > He's playing on of Teuffel's new guitars called a NIWA, very cool! I use > a Tesla which I totally love. > > Best, > > Craig Green Hi Craig, I remember the full frequency sound of your Tesla at the gig in Santa Cruz. Gave me kind of (prepared?) concert piano vibes ;-)) Did you hear if the Tesla is available as fretless as well? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC5733BF02; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <56693.216.86.144.20.1200760863.squirrel@craigjgreen.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801190828h49694ff5m4a97c88b5206529f@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0801190828h49694ff5m4a97c88b5206529f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:41:03 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Teuffel Guitars (was: Re: Torn video online) From: craig@craigjgreen.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to 7bit by courier 0.56 Resent-Message-ID: <4ifFvC.A.-gG.kgikHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Yes, the Tesla has some unique tonal options that are built in to the electronics giving it that prepared sound. I have not heard of Teufffel building a fretless model, but Im sure it could be done and would be spectacular instrument. When I spoke to Ulrich at the last NAMM show he was building just 3 models with a options on each. He's a super creative guys and im sure it would be worth asking about a fretless option. Now you have got me thinking about it! Best, Craig > On Jan 19, 2008 4:13 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> He's playing on of Teuffel's new guitars called a NIWA, very cool! I >> use >> a Tesla which I totally love. >> >> Best, >> >> Craig Green > > > Hi Craig, > > I remember the full frequency sound of your Tesla at the gig in Santa > Cruz. Gave me kind of (prepared?) concert piano vibes ;-)) Did you > hear if the Tesla is available as fretless as well? > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:47:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E993BF06; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NAMM report: Friday Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:47:56 -0800 Message-Id: <20080119163335.M35365@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 75.28.97.10 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Things are going swimmingly at the Looperlative booth. We're headed into the shark fest they call Saturday at NAMM. Bill Walker, Steve Lawson and I all had good demo sessions for the Looperlative yesterday with a lot of walk up traffic. My own first demo started roughly because seeing an FCB that Bill was bringing down to Matthias Grob (so damn wonderful to see Matthi again) I thought mine was in the car and forgot it standing up in the living room. I borrowed Bob Amstadt's Gordius, which is a cool little piece of gear but whose ergonomics I don't have down yet so I had a lot of technical difficulties in my first demo just due to unfamiliarity with gear. I got used to it fairly quickly with my little cheat sheets, though. Everything really came together, though, when I came by and heard Bill doing a really amazing piece of music. I got out my frame drums and kanjira and he and I jammed on a couple of pieces. We may hook up the Looperlatives today possibly. I went up to a guy at the string booth across the way to apologize for all the sonic mayhem that is my own demo and was suprised to hear him say, "No man, you guys have been the soundtrack for our show. You guys are on the cutting edge." It made my day to hear this guy who had to sit across from us and hear every demo all day long say this. ******** I haven't had too much chance to get out and see the show but I have heard 1) Electrix has a booth listed in the NAMM book but it is sitting empty there 2) There isn't even a demo model of the RC50 at Roland (that's kind of unnerving) 3) Kim Flint was spotted at the Looperlative booth but I haven't seen our fearless leader yet 4) There didn't appear to be any porn starlets at the Dean Heavy Metal Guitar booth as in past years 5) There is more all black attire than I've ever seen..........more grey hair than I've ever seen at a NAMM show. My bright yellow hair and 'gay lumberjacks on acid' yellow flannel shirt stood out like a neon bulb yesterday.........lol. 5) our looping pal Larry the O is looking good and ensconced at the BIAS booth 6) Bill Putnam , owner of the very successful Universal Audio (and generous patron to the Y2K festivals), has become an avid looper and put in his order for a Looperlative. that made me particularly happy as I've come to love how completely devoted to the cause of Music, Bill is. He invited us all up to the UA cocktail party and I got to have a fascinating conversation with the last producer who worked with Ray Charles. this is a great and fun and overwhelming show. Off to get breaky with Bill and do it again. cheers and loop on everyone. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 16:58:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DFA63BEFB; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=1KNl08CMEKNUfKr9CzF13fRzOBiY7/gQwO+w31+zMjI=; b=RT/Erccr7gX6QZAIPJaGM/G9Fg3kS0aj5iAm/MufMOGmMwzJzebxpWJZ7WCb6nyv5ak8zo87lyDAdao/Xzc4vdT4Ewh6ekog+EVfbylMVIks1fy6F1YQSjdf4N4ic0hO4HFY1nfMcUWpwU90Pu1RZB5hk08SwPFL4do/2NAF/7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=v9S1tov3hQHVP5zPBA/Q/atrTDsxHLiXHI4d2k3343ME31rVeR4qtMmoW9eipL1OOba/wIGNsLqCfNBpxIPgf4FQcjMEOGwMuEkLEghPg6rV//cPl5Tg0yVl8cSp8pD0etCWT111NDnB23NeFWFh+6d6dAtzZCX4zeebTL3ypDk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:58:19 -0600 From: "Mark Smart" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Release: Mark Smart on WEFT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11031_7579996.1200761899740" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11031_7579996.1200761899740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have released a CD of one of my live solo jazz looping performances on the radio station WEFT. You can hear sound clips and order CDs or mp3s on CDBaby.com: http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart WEFT is 90.1 FM in Champaign, IL, USA and has streaming webcast at http://www.weft.org Thanks for your support! -- Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_Part_11031_7579996.1200761899740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

I have released a CD of one of my live solo jazz looping performances on the radio station WEFT. You can hear sound clips and order CDs or mp3s on CDBaby.com:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart

WEFT is 90.1 FM in Champaign, IL, USA and has streaming webcast at http://www.weft.org

Thanks for your support!

--
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

------=_Part_11031_7579996.1200761899740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 18:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A7A43BF01; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20080119163335.M35365@cruzio.com> References: <20080119163335.M35365@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: NAMM report: Friday Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:37:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:37:57 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 19, 2008, at 8:47 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Things are going swimmingly at the Looperlative booth. > > We're headed into the shark fest they call Saturday at NAMM. > > Bill Walker, Steve Lawson and I all had good demo sessions for the > Looperlative > yesterday with a lot of walk up traffic. > > My own first demo started roughly because seeing an FCB that Bill was > bringing down > to Matthias Grob (so damn wonderful to see Matthi again) I thought > mine was in the car > and forgot it standing up in the living room. I borrowed Bob > Amstadt's Gordius, which > is a cool little piece of gear but whose ergonomics I don't have down > yet so I had a lot > of technical difficulties in my first demo just due to unfamiliarity > with gear. I got used to > it fairly quickly with my little cheat sheets, though. > > Everything really came together, though, when I came by and heard Bill > doing a really > amazing piece of music. I got out my frame drums and kanjira and he > and I jammed on > a couple of pieces. We may hook up the Looperlatives today > possibly. > > I went up to a guy at the string booth across the way to apologize for > all the > sonic mayhem that is my own demo and was suprised to hear him say, > "No man, you guys have been the soundtrack for our show. You guys > are on the > cutting edge." > > It made my day to hear this guy who had to sit across from us and hear > every demo > all day long say this. > > ******** > I haven't had too much chance to get out and see the show > but I have heard > 1) Electrix has a booth listed in the NAMM book but it is sitting > empty there > 2) There isn't even a demo model of the RC50 at Roland (that's kind > of unnerving) > 3) Kim Flint was spotted at the Looperlative booth but I haven't seen > our fearless > leader yet > 4) There didn't appear to be any porn starlets at the Dean Heavy > Metal Guitar booth as > in past years > 5) There is more all black attire than I've ever seen..........more > grey hair than I've ever > seen at a NAMM show. My bright yellow hair and 'gay lumberjacks on > acid' yellow > flannel shirt stood out like a neon bulb yesterday.........lol. > 5) our looping pal Larry the O is looking good and ensconced at the > BIAS booth > 6) Bill Putnam , owner of the very successful Universal Audio (and > generous patron to > the Y2K festivals), has become an avid looper and put in his order > for a Looperlative. > that made me particularly happy as I've come to love how completely > devoted to the > cause of Music, Bill is. 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Seguros Orange: la mejor c= obertura al mejor precio --wanadoo.es_dam08.wnet_f0c8a20e1f76acc8982d8217e865682f-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 19:18:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D523BF01; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001201c85a9e$b2dc6520$6c052052@customer3530f5> References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> <001201c85a9e$b2dc6520$6c052052@customer3530f5> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <559996A0-878F-47C8-A572-C4E4FC6F6D6B@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:15:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <071TpC.A.VgD.I0kkHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:18:33 +0000 (UTC) My Headrush doesn't make any blips. On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. > I've asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with > the DL4 but to a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a > constant drone, is to set a long delay with 100% feedback, play and > hold a note, then remove the input (footswitch or volume pedal), > this seems to be the only way of getting a constantly held note. > This way too, of course you can add to the drone... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:27:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68703BF0C; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003001c85ae9$2b20aa60$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> <001201c85a9e$b2dc6520$6c052052@customer3530f5> <559996A0-878F-47C8-A572-C4E4FC6F6D6B@mac.com> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:18:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Toby, I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a quick try out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get the glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is played/held over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have an RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott suggested some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first before playing into it. I am also anoyed by this, but have found the only way of getting an actual glitch-free start with a drone for example is to use a long delay running at 100% feedback. I wonder what the EDP is like for this? On my Fostex D824 multitrack, when editing, I get no glitch, sure, there might be a jump in timbra or in note, but no click. I have enough looping functions to make the TF worth having and for the delays, I'm completely pleased with it. I'm going to try the V2.1 software (Beta) update, see if that does anything to fix the looper issue. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Graves" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: TimeFactor > My Headrush doesn't make any blips. > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 5:25 AM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > >> I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. I've >> asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the DL4 but >> to a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, is >> to set a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, then >> remove the input (footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be the only >> way of getting a constantly held note. This way too, of course you can >> add to the drone... >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:33:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E16C3BF05; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:33:15 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CMSnNbYD4SPGgAfyfah3xZ/8eHL7pnUwaW2W8eos77aYmKbVc7uXrcc6HylF609AWniqnIkORI6cHvdlULF655mzYLdkWZMJoao5LnMWLwz4wqVs1GVr3n9Z2rM3M9ANpJ78Ga9N2hsgQZSg4bl5YSgCnUo2LbCWzDanE+WfYB8=; X-YMail-OSG: pBeBdy4VM1nqmLWo9dO9TVvATIe.pE.PQASnWQ2sXCHZvsc7w_FSf5ZQ5gHCk__58jEI9Obd0sJfi9OUjpHZYGz6XjUo2BekwnUh2YYm83ODHUFQ8EXVlTyESj8n Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: TimeFactor (and RC20) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c85a9e$b2dc6520$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-742431616-1200781593=:27652" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <10812.27652.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4ARzmC.A.kHD.rqnkHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:33:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-742431616-1200781593=:27652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know about the other loopers mentioned, but there is actually a way around this using the RC20XL. You need to pre-record silences of fixed lengths into the phrase stores. Then, you can start the silent loop running and 'punch in' loops. The loop will be overwritten without any clicks etc. Reverb and echo effects will overlap the loop point naturally etc. Erasing the loops recorded does NOT erase the silent loops, so they can be re-used. Of course, this method does require you to work with pre-fixed length loops, which I can understand would not suit most people. Works fine for me though. Stephen Scott www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher Ian Popperwell wrote: I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. I've asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the DL4 but to a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, is to set a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, then remove the input (footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be the only way of getting a constantly held note. This way too, of course you can add to the drone... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby G" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: TimeFactor > > I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a > sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a > hiccup/dropout. > Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? > > thx > > > toby > > > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-742431616-1200781593=:27652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know about the other loopers mentioned, but there is actually a way around this using the RC20XL.  You need to pre-record silences of fixed lengths into the phrase stores.  Then, you can start the silent loop running and 'punch in' loops.  The loop will be overwritten without any clicks etc.  Reverb and echo effects will overlap the loop point naturally etc. 

Erasing the loops recorded does NOT erase the silent loops, so they can be re-used.

Of course, this method does require you to work with pre-fixed length loops, which I can understand would not suit most people.  Works fine for me though.

Stephen Scott
www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. I've
asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the DL4 but to
a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, is to set
a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, then remove the input
(footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be the only way of getting a
constantly held note. This way too, of course you can add to the drone...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby G"
To:
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:26 AM
Subject: TimeFactor


>
> I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a
> sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a
> hiccup/dropout.
> Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow?
>
> thx
>
>
> toby
>
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Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-742431616-1200781593=:27652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:37:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12F003BF12; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ynt7c9F/Wf0l9K9y+wBKrhEeFV0XqXqQXjBU9VLBm2U3kGEN+HjbVu5FxSMAWEKFsHaFPeB0BlJQBiNZPgf0X3CttM9gE4yp2EbxwklQxl/W+U08oUBNj+8TPqiRu+yEoeIgcqbeilW4aeYc2zfSWtlHDAnlGgfcsDpLqzo0aHw=; X-YMail-OSG: fv49LlYVM1kP9thVoKs3ytn3UG082EuGqhgHgso8huKCVpKOUMAnQXTc5lcbRiHtpkzQWinmxRY6B6C2_pgqWc4AOWGhcprUhJONszMMncFxjvOiLz0cHjuqWO4b3ZSHdL4CPmGiOGk6BFB6Rz_0V26CcA-- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: TimeFactor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c85ae9$2b20aa60$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-725506711-1200782244=:47618" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-725506711-1200782244=:47618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ian Popperwell wrote: Hi Toby, I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a quick try out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get the glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is played/held over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have an RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott suggested some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first before playing into it. Sorry for the repetition ! Stephen Scott www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-725506711-1200782244=:47618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
Hi Toby,

I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a quick try
out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get the
glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is played/held
over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have an
RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott suggested
some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first before
playing into it.
Sorry for the repetition !

Stephen Scott
www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-725506711-1200782244=:47618-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:37:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C893BF1D; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=scB1VNWS69cfCEwRZDgyjGchM2UyLTACrID7X7KQmOSOgKn8VzohmPhHSLjNJDfwN4Zi62OvSU5dK17LhplqKHrb9vRcTxFIuKS3WmB6pymhqhobbhiMrh9CiSeMMAmDAJ+Y6KzMac5Edpc+ZTBl0tLVf9KjKa5MXa7RRZq6hI4=; X-YMail-OSG: 0UQCpRUVM1l5KLPsxTv2HoP4hy4V3rjtQ7sZqQMJT4lcaD4MilSA7sXXgPXoycr7TstXamUXcjPCWbgPKWTadjDMNX3hwYJUn77BFhcpB81VDvKOBIY- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:37:37 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: TimeFactor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003001c85ae9$2b20aa60$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1160832807-1200782257=:84414" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <83971.84414.qm@web53007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:37:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1160832807-1200782257=:84414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ian Popperwell wrote: Hi Toby, I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a quick try out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get the glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is played/held over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have an RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott suggested some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first before playing into it. Sorry for the repetition ! Stephen Scott www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1160832807-1200782257=:84414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
Hi Toby,

I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a quick try
out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get the
glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is played/held
over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have an
RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott suggested
some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first before
playing into it.
Sorry for the repetition !

Stephen Scott
www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1160832807-1200782257=:84414-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:43:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B39C3BF0B; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c85aeb$3877d150$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Eventide support" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Subject: TimeFactor looper issue Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:32:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C85AEB.385FDC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:43:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C85AEB.385FDC80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0039_01C85AEB.385FDC80" ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C85AEB.385FDC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, I've recently bought the TimeFactor and have a problem with the looper. It works fine apart from one issue which is something of an irritant. If = a note is held over the start/end point of a loop, there is a noticeable = glitch, a click . I understand that there is bound to be some small = affect of the loop join (it's not like a sample where you can match the = waveform up etc.), a change in timbre, or even a jump in note if = inaccurately playing... but I certainly wouldn't expect anything of = this degree on the unit (especially at this price). It certainly isn't = the worst, the Boss RC20XL is far worse, however the Line6 DL4 is far = better. This glitch means that it is impossible to set up a drone sound by = holding a note and layering it over a few cycles of the loop. It also = makes it impossible to run notes or phrases across the loop point = without hearing the glitch. I'd be very interested to hear your response and particularly if this is = planned as a "fix" in a software revision. I am copying this to the Looper's Delight mailing list as this is = emerging as a problem for others who have bought the TimeFactor. Regards. Ian Popperwell (Bristol UK). ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C85AEB.385FDC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Hi,
 
I've recently bought the TimeFactor and have a problem with the=20 looper.
 
It works fine apart from one issue which is something of an = irritant. If a=20 note is held over the start/end point of a loop, there is a noticeable = glitch, a=20 click . I understand that there is bound to be some small affect of the = loop=20 join (it's not like a sample where you can match the waveform up etc.), = a change=20 in timbre, or even a jump in note if inaccurately playing...  but I = certainly wouldn't expect anything of this degree on the unit = (especially at=20 this price). It certainly isn't the worst, the Boss RC20XL is far worse, = however=20 the Line6 DL4 is far better.
 
This glitch means that it is impossible to set up a drone sound by = holding=20 a note and layering it over a few cycles of the loop. It also makes it=20 impossible to run notes or phrases across the loop point without hearing = the=20 glitch.
 
I'd be very interested to hear your response and particularly if = this is=20 planned as a "fix" in a software revision.
 
I am copying this to the Looper's Delight mailing list as this is = emerging=20 as a problem for others who have bought the TimeFactor.
 
Regards.
 
Ian Popperwell (Bristol UK).
 
------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C85AEB.385FDC80-- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C85AEB.385FDC80 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <003701c85aeb$385fdc80$6c052052@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C85AEB.385FDC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:47:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D624E3BF12; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pPBItrIOmODXLdoBaDKfFIqadJ/riqrcgEF9Sk7bOwAlo3Sn1t7U4iOqwfvcIrAyFv2/QmIUTDvjpVKUCg44tY5g7sKeTqOkeB5RdAuWIHM7QqQgjCDFX/obNT84xqp7XxRjs4sgYihnX7FGX5qI8yFY4eMsG+q3owY8KWClkaQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 0UJqGEcVM1m9FXQv0fe7eRUZ7qhhKEO7kMYDZ_HHOQxgNONq11IGCcjqgeWngxpdsc3NuoL3GWTvDCJ8lKLAp4mTWq2QVSiwgi0_ck0fxzBqGR3QpH9rEHSew6gUQZ0FLk.Owr7dHGEIvw-- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:47:56 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: TimeFactor looper issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003c01c85aeb$3877d150$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-184356384-1200782876=:54878" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <56784.54878.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-184356384-1200782876=:54878 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1861150100-1200782876=:54878" --0-1861150100-1200782876=:54878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm so tempted to keep this going... --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1861150100-1200782876=:54878 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm so tempted to keep this going...

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1861150100-1200782876=:54878-- --0-184356384-1200782876=:54878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:57:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366F73BF10; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:43:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C85AEC.C6220880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:57:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C85AEC.C6220880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Not at all, just shows that I took notice of your advice! Incidentally, I've just written to Eventide about this issue and CCd to = the list. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Scott=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:37 PM Subject: Re: TimeFactor Ian Popperwell wrote: Hi Toby, I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given a looper a = quick try=20 out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. And yes, I get = the=20 glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a note/phrase is = played/held=20 over the start point. And Yes, I agree this is anoying. I also have = an=20 RC20XL which is far worse though for this, but, as Stephen Scott = suggested=20 some while ago, it is improved by creating an empty loop first = before=20 playing into it.=20 Sorry for the repetition ! Stephen Scott www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! = Search. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C85AEC.C6220880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Not at all, just shows that I took notice of your=20 advice!
 
Incidentally, I've just written to Eventide about = this issue=20 and CCd to the list.
 
Ian.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephen = Scott=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 19, = 2008 10:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: TimeFactor



Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com>= wrote:
Hi=20 Toby,

I have very recently got the TimeFactor and only given = a looper=20 a quick try
out. Since your email, I've been trying it properly. = And=20 yes, I get the
glitch at the end(or start) of a loop only when a = note/phrase is played/held
over the start point. And Yes, I = agree this=20 is anoying. I also have an
RC20XL which is far worse though for = this,=20 but, as Stephen Scott suggested
some while ago, it is improved = by=20 creating an empty loop first before
playing into it. =
Sorry=20 for the repetition !

Stephen Scott
www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find=20 them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C85AEC.C6220880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 22:59:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8220B3BF14; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <10812.27652.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <10812.27652.qm@web53011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--862107556 Message-Id: <392899E5-D511-4195-BC31-85D159BCD037@mac.com> From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: TimeFactor (and RC20) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:56:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <03AQZC.A.CTE.TDokHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:59:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--862107556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just tried it on the timefactor--nope, doesn't work. t On Jan 19, 2008, at 2:26 PM, Stephen Scott wrote: > I don't know about the other loopers mentioned, but there is > actually a way around this using the RC20XL. You need to pre- > record silences of fixed lengths into the phrase stores. Then, you > can start the silent loop running and 'punch in' loops. The loop > will be overwritten without any clicks etc. Reverb and echo > effects will overlap the loop point naturally etc. > > Erasing the loops recorded does NOT erase the silent loops, so they > can be re-used. > > Of course, this method does require you to work with pre-fixed > length loops, which I can understand would not suit most people. > Works fine for me though. > > Stephen Scott > www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher > > Ian Popperwell wrote: > I'm not sure that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. > I've > asked the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the > DL4 but to > a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, > is to set > a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, then remove > the input > (footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be the only way of > getting a > constantly held note. This way too, of course you can add to the > drone... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Toby G" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:26 AM > Subject: TimeFactor > > > > > > I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a > > sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a > > hiccup/dropout. > > Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? > > > > thx > > > > > > toby > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. --Apple-Mail-1--862107556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just tried it on the timefactor--nope, doesn't work.

t
On Jan 19, = 2008, at 2:26 PM, Stephen Scott wrote:

I don't = know about the other loopers mentioned, but there is actually a way = around this using the RC20XL.=A0 You need to pre-record silences of = fixed lengths into the phrase stores.=A0 Then, you can start the silent = loop running and 'punch in' loops.=A0 The loop will be overwritten = without any clicks etc.=A0 Reverb and echo effects will overlap the loop = point naturally etc.=A0

Erasing the loops recorded does NOT = erase the silent loops, so they can be re-used.

Of course, this = method does require you to work with pre-fixed length loops, which I can = understand would not suit most people.=A0 Works fine for me = though.

Stephen Scott
www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

Ian= Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> = wrote:
I'm not sure = that this isn't just a fact of these kinds of loopers. I've
asked = the same question of the RC20XL and have an issue with the DL4 but to =
a lesser extent. The oanly way that I can create a constant drone, = is to set
a long delay with 100% feedback, play and hold a note, = then remove the input
(footswitch or volume pedal), this seems to be = the only way of getting a
constantly held note. This way too, of = course you can add to the drone...


----- Original Message = -----
From: "Toby G"
To: =
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 = 4:26 AM
Subject: TimeFactor


>
> I just got my = timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a
> sustained = note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a
> = hiccup/dropout.
> Anybody else had this and have you solved the = problem somehow?
>
> thx
>
>
> = toby
>
>
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= --Apple-Mail-1--862107556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:01:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B0063BF1C; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:03:26 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-reply-to: <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--861692566 X-Priority: 3 References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:01:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16--861692566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Incidentally, I've just written to Eventide about this issue and > CCd to the list. > You should probably post in the new Eventide support forum(s). That's where Eventide officially supports its products now. You may very well get a reply from someone at Eventide next week, but I bet they'll also refer you to the forums. I posted the address a couple days ago. Jeff --Apple-Mail-16--861692566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

=A0
Incidentally, = I've just written to Eventide about this issue and CCd to the = list.
=A0
You should probably post = in the new Eventide support forum(s). That's where Eventide officially = supports its products now. You may very well get a reply from someone at = Eventide next week, but I bet they'll also refer you to the forums. I = posted the address a couple days ago.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-16--861692566-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:02:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27FD13BF1C; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--861901374 Message-Id: <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:59:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <4Yr9PD.A.BmE.hGokHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:02:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--861901374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah, I posted last night. Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible for a company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a product that does this? t On Jan 19, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> >> Incidentally, I've just written to Eventide about this issue and >> CCd to the list. >> > You should probably post in the new Eventide support forum(s). > That's where Eventide officially supports its products now. You may > very well get a reply from someone at Eventide next week, but I bet > they'll also refer you to the forums. I posted the address a couple > days ago. > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-2--861901374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Yeah, I posted last night. =A0Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible = for a company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a product = that does this?

t


On Jan 19, 2008, = at 3:03 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:



=A0
Incidentally, = I've just written to Eventide about this issue and CCd to the = list.
=A0
You should probably post = in the new Eventide support forum(s). That's where Eventide officially = supports its products now. You may very well get a reply from someone at = Eventide next week, but I bet they'll also refer you to the forums. I = posted the address a couple days ago.

Jeff
=
= --Apple-Mail-2--861901374-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:18:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03FD83BF1A; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=RJRbZVXRftx4tethst07DWoY8uoRy5sTM+FH34M/ne8=; b=XTMoy3X3rzK5d6Mp1cpGA0Xj2x1rMuJzu9Y6rXotpQyXhQ3Cb65gvo99EMQ5W3k9dCnpj9Mrr3C9afXCiJF4me4xzuJNpwfnPp5+JyBfGbdJgZrU4UUmBjQx+dTXEFs+Pd496S9yyJ+30WGsOa6QNOtbJWI9GJ8022HqPx8ihBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JnDdph4JeNdNY5JUjA5YPXCqpjOj56eCVDlJMsvr+2xwmFQpBnHxAQdERW8CdCLNl5V/L3MRemN5a0DsCYCjub5cBQhxiJeJZwrwdomUbc/5hqN1MyiY2JUix1WP4/x3NYIKM/F0RLQfDbLKt7XmJkRSgzfxUMuIYJ9mJdgMCYE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:18:11 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-Reply-To: <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10071_4113840.1200784691846" References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:18:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10071_4113840.1200784691846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not really. Companies have different ideas of what their products are designed to do than some of the users. The TimeFactor wasn't designed as a looper--it's a delay box that has a looping function. My guess is that they intended people to sample phrases which didn't cross the start point, which is a very common use for looping in the general populance. On Jan 19, 2008 2:59 PM, Toby Graves wrote: > Yeah, I posted last night. Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible for a > company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a product that does > this? > > t > > > ------=_Part_10071_4113840.1200784691846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Not really.  Companies have different ideas of what their products are designed to do than some of the users.  The TimeFactor wasn't designed as a looper--it's a delay box that has a looping function.  My guess is that they intended people to sample phrases which didn't cross the start point, which is a very common use for looping in the general populance.

On Jan 19, 2008 2:59 PM, Toby Graves <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
Yeah, I posted last night.  Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible for a company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a product that does this?

t



------=_Part_10071_4113840.1200784691846-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jan 19 23:42:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 140033BF1B; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:44:37 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-reply-to: <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7M8uSB.A.IJG.RrokHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Toby Graves wrote: > Yeah, I posted last night. Ok, good. I wasn't sure if Ian had though. > Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible for a company with a > reputation as big as Eventide to release a product that does this? Yeah, hopefully they'll fix it. Software download/upgrades make it possible. I suppose that's the good news. I really love the pedal for all the delay options. I hope they get the Looper glitch straightened out. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:06:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 552AF3BF28; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007901c85af8$55587970$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:06:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I agree, there's enough in the pedal for me, and actually, the looper too has far more (except basic looper time) than I have on other pedals. The delays and controlability are wonderful in a pedal! Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:44 PM Subject: Re: TimeFactor > > On Jan 19, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Toby Graves wrote: > >> Yeah, I posted last night. > > Ok, good. I wasn't sure if Ian had though. > >> Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible for a company with a reputation >> as big as Eventide to release a product that does this? > > Yeah, hopefully they'll fix it. Software download/upgrades make it > possible. I suppose that's the good news. > > I really love the pedal for all the delay options. I hope they get the > Looper glitch straightened out. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:16:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 738043BF21; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007501c85af8$114b35b0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> <9CCA333B-2C4C-4043-8B61-5AA7D11949DC@mac.com> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:04:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C85AF8.11278110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <6bRQn.A.sYH.aLpkHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:16:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C85AF8.11278110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess you're right, the simple phrases/verse/chorus kind of looping. = But for "creative looping", why would we not want to carry notes & = phrases over! Most (interesting) musical styles involve coming in before = (or after) the "1" and it seems lazy to say the least not to kater for = this kind of use of even a simple looper. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:18 PM Subject: Re: TimeFactor Not really. Companies have different ideas of what their products are = designed to do than some of the users. The TimeFactor wasn't designed = as a looper--it's a delay box that has a looping function. My guess is = that they intended people to sample phrases which didn't cross the start = point, which is a very common use for looping in the general populance.=20 On Jan 19, 2008 2:59 PM, Toby Graves wrote: Yeah, I posted last night. Doesn't it seem kind of irresponsible = for a company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a product = that does this? t ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C85AF8.11278110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess you're right, the simple = phrases/verse/chorus kind of=20 looping. But for "creative looping", why would we not want to carry = notes &=20 phrases over! Most (interesting) musical styles involve coming in before = (or=20 after) the "1" and it seems lazy to say the least not to kater for this = kind of=20 use of even a simple looper.
 
Ian.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Travis Hartnett
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 19, = 2008 11:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: TimeFactor

Not really.  Companies have different ideas of = what their=20 products are designed to do than some of the users.  The = TimeFactor=20 wasn't designed as a looper--it's a delay box that has a looping=20 function.  My guess is that they intended people to sample = phrases which=20 didn't cross the start point, which is a very common use for looping = in the=20 general populance.

On Jan 19, 2008 2:59 PM, Toby Graves <carpet8@mac.com> wrote:
Yeah, I posted last night.  Doesn't it seem kind of = irresponsible=20 for a company with a reputation as big as Eventide to release a = product that=20 does this?

t
=



= ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C85AF8.11278110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 305403BF27; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c85af7$94c8f900$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <801324.47618.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <005b01c85aec$c6378c50$6c052052@customer3530f5> <7AE1E77F-65F7-4A18-B450-4A5CB745D477@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:01:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C85AF7.94B39C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:18:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C85AF7.94B39C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, Yes, thanks, I just joined (thanks for the link), will post there too. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Shirkey=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Re: TimeFactor Incidentally, I've just written to Eventide about this issue and CCd = to the list. You should probably post in the new Eventide support forum(s). That's = where Eventide officially supports its products now. You may very well = get a reply from someone at Eventide next week, but I bet they'll also = refer you to the forums. I posted the address a couple days ago. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C85AF7.94B39C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeff,
 
Yes, thanks, I just joined (thanks for the link), = will post=20 there too.
 
Ian.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff Shirkey
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, January 19, = 2008 11:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: TimeFactor



 
Incidentally, I've just written to = Eventide about=20 this issue and CCd to the list.
 
You = should probably=20 post in the new Eventide support forum(s). That's where Eventide = officially=20 supports its products now. You may very well get a reply from someone = at=20 Eventide next week, but I bet they'll also refer you to the forums. I = posted=20 the address a couple days ago.

Jeff
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C85AF7.94B39C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 00:36:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15ECF3BF32; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 712 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:36:01 UTC Message-Id: <76AEDCF4-E893-4EE9-8A20-9CF3D82B8E02@mac.com> From: Simon Le Geyt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4791E888.32305.6FDBEC@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Torn video online Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:23:59 +0000 References: <4791E888.32305.6FDBEC@nick.12testing.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Cheers Nick - It's almost as if I was sat right next to you there on the night! Simon Le Geyt On 19 Jan 2008, at 12:09, nick@12testing.net wrote: > I've uploaded one of my DT videos. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KngIToOA1E > > As you can see, I had a decent view ;) > > From administrator@Chase.com Sun Jan 20 02:58:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 724 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:58:32 UTC Received: from mail.commercialcondominium.com (mail.commercialcondominium.com [67.104.144.210]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1233BF1C; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccmc-sbs.CCMCAD.local ([127.0.0.1] RDNS failed) by mail.commercialcondominium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:46:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.3] by ccmc-sbs.CCMCAD.local; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:46:26 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Service@Chase.com" Subject: error Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:28:33 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2008 02:46:27.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[A73B72E0:01C85B0E] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Chase.com Update Dear Chase Member:

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 03:36:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9375D3BF29; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2681 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:36:36 UTC Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20080119184725.065b68e8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: TimeFactor In-Reply-To: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com > References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:36:36 +0000 (UTC) At 08:26 PM 1/17/2008, Toby G wrote: >I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording a >sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results in a >hiccup/dropout. >Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? I asked Eventide about this today at the NAMM show. They say the new version 2 software (beta still) improves this issue. They said to download it from their site and give it a try. Can you do that? Also, this pedal is really cool with the new V2 software. Last year at NAMM I spent some time talking to them about what the looping community would like to see in their pedal. They actually listened and implemented a lot of the ideas! They were quite proud to show it to me this year. A lot of fun functions with speed control, tempo setting, feedback control, replace modes, etc. Give it a go, I'd like to hear what people using it think. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 03:51:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F133BF2E; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20080119184725.065b68e8@loopers-delight.com> References: <9821E287-0117-1000-99E1-5B317F960A11-Webmail-10011@mac.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20080119184725.065b68e8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: TimeFactor Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:48:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Like the Eventide guys say, it helps the issue. Doesn't fix it though. Still a quite audible blip. t On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:26 PM 1/17/2008, Toby G wrote: >> I just got my timefactor by eventide and I noticed that recording >> a sustained note over the end/start boundary of the loop results >> in a hiccup/dropout. >> Anybody else had this and have you solved the problem somehow? > > I asked Eventide about this today at the NAMM show. They say the > new version 2 software (beta still) improves this issue. They said > to download it from their site and give it a try. Can you do that? > > Also, this pedal is really cool with the new V2 software. Last year > at NAMM I spent some time talking to them about what the looping > community would like to see in their pedal. They actually listened > and implemented a lot of the ideas! They were quite proud to show > it to me this year. A lot of fun functions with speed control, > tempo setting, feedback control, replace modes, etc. Give it a go, > I'd like to hear what people using it think. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 04:15:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5B13BF28; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <36EA8B17-49C8-40A9-BAF8-65DD2C9A06A9@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Toby Graves Subject: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:12:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 04:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Ok, so instead of me being a negative Nancy, maybe I could find a different looper-- All I want is the ability to make loops, stack layers, and have it fade out how I want. Also no blip at the seam and ability to play over repeating loop. Anything do this? t From info@info.org Sun Jan 20 15:20:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4534 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:20:51 UTC Received: from mail.nema.go.ke (mail.nema.go.ke [80.240.202.162]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F2A3BEB9; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.nema.go.ke (mail.nema.go.ke [127.0.0.1]) by mail.nema.go.ke (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74FC5CD567; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:38:16 +0300 (EAT) Received: from 83.138.172.72 (proxying for 80.89.179.14, 192.168.1.217) (SquirrelMail authenticated user canyango) by mail.nema.go.ke with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:38:17 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <37757.83.138.172.72.1200868697.squirrel@mail.nema.go.ke> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:38:17 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Can You Be Trusted? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 15:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B321E3BED0; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QdhPBsyY3ucW5eKaE666tYCzUQnm+9rX0wBYZtRB+XBFL+Cop5PJP6uIkNHsA0pbjsuQgP4ySW+t8jJLau+zpHtH595rWTt8UgUgfCz5zWZoYC68QuY8rNiyiYhZSjLTm/2/89SN2sKV8ONmmau3kVPzcgft4Nczne+3lkdPf1I=; X-YMail-OSG: W1zltKAVM1kZjbCH.IuvFSOpsL0Rxuh2VwpCQzC4PUKm88Qcshd56PxFQLqbi2dGbQAzWHGoe.QrEYXcr954rkGxUqmUaIQhZT6BPinmdwIgUaU.WCE- Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Vortex Conga rediscovered To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Michael very very nice!where are that conga and bass synth loop coming from? cheers Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > While searching for a DAT cassette with field > recordings that were supposed > to be published (and not finding it), I was > delighted to rediscover another > DAT cassette from about 1999 that I had completely > forgotten. It contains a > variety of things, one of them a surprisingly > charming (imo) guitar loop > improvisation over a sampled conga pattern (a 10 > second snippet of it is > contained on my MY2K diary so it might sound > familiar.) The sustainer guitar > gets its sound from a Lexicon Vortex patch that I > have also lost in the > meantime. > > http://www.veloopity.de/michaelpeters/loops99/vortexconga.mp3 > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 15:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 101063BEC5; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BjpbYqykB17V+csBmatSTcL1lDV6dMlYrRxYB0FDFfw=; b=dZozAF9nOY3NXCpPjtkIiBnWjVyUrLdBu74ldDOn68CR+nclKCexJnvXeUYstJxVwRATxV4SWs+f/21zZv5taLP9ufbgK031BHHRyCHyRyO1RlTtavDD5UoR9TanJnd1GWv/x2+wqOBY3ZZzVQoJx+Vifx1meTbSUFjQYPZbKlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=whj8BvxHnTrhSyUhKxZLS70wLfRcLvpvHRKOY2O7X6qk+EUD4kRe6urAxky46dnOmdjolzoVcsl3I9flrXhOe0zG6n/eLoZAJYzCUhM+NoHAxMchI+WseZmvqaPj3/YXnpgdkTlYqmTnQe8jYNUis6B/pYYyRQ5n0Ce655gcZBQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0801200744u3680cb3fq107ee377aab9989f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:44:25 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex Conga rediscovered In-Reply-To: <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003a01c85a29$ce6c6b70$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <159630.76442.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Michael, That's a really nice piece, the nicest thing I've heard in a while. Thanks for posting it! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 17:34:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5322E3BECA; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 14534251/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/nildram-customers/62.3.238.4 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@12testing.net X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAANcUk0c+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIqzY X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Simon Le Geyt Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:34:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Torn video online Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4793862C.1860.180C69F@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <76AEDCF4-E893-4EE9-8A20-9CF3D82B8E02@mac.com> References: <76AEDCF4-E893-4EE9-8A20-9CF3D82B8E02@mac.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:34:44 +0000 (UTC) On 20 Jan 2008 at 0:23, Simon Le Geyt wrote: > It's almost as if I was sat right next to you there on the night! Actually, I think one of our fellow LD members was next to me - we certainly had a good chat! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 20:40:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D8DA3BECC; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:40:50 +1100 Subject: Yamaha MFC10 and Electrix Repeater From: To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender POSTFIX 1.6.2 on vfep06 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:40:59 +0000 (UTC) This is my first post although and I'm going to be a bit cheeky with a request. I have a Yamaha MFC10 and an Electrix Repeater with the version 2 software and wondered if anyone who also has this combination on has already set them up to talk to one another? Or more precisely with the MFC10 driving the Repeater. Would they send me the fruits of their labour? I am not big on he programming thing, the MFC10 has been sitting for quite a while now unused and I seriously wonder if I will ever get round to setting it up properly. I know this might be a big call but I might be able to repay them somehow. Cheers, Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jan 20 22:09:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E653BECC; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jZj9BBLSm9Kvy/+y4cN/plX/J7qQP/dqAZ7wpkxND3A=; b=qPVeixFoLNKsmdoSpzjU3DUEre4ZtRbQ506TKPS+qP7tkYrYJliKbxUJEEopTCHodQLLx3DwbmGjDxyvOMDbhpX1UlkVyHQSZJaxfqfXhYfSOv1Lorls/eI2SBvDCq+ldW7+dWN7YfeX3ud2zvOvWNdasHSuYBmA2WwvKIqGb1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cAtvRKvAlY/wJpNMiQMfBFviEjgs27QKv17SlOd9/m1WiblTvsfA7Kd9npKtr7jfc3613tfNRE2s+U+DNzZO33XaiqYVElf3HtzuDcNqhBO7WZDmZ9OQEKFTmlSLPSSJ0j/QhFjuH65T7pM3LWGtt9rCGyeD00UAoyf/9M/vHzU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:09:51 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC10 and Electrix Repeater In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12352_3044172.1200866991159" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12352_3044172.1200866991159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Andrew, I hope your request does not fall on deaf ears. I, for one, will be curious to hear the responses. Currently, I am in the process of adding a Repeater and a Behringer FCB1010 to my arsenal of goodies. My Repeater is running ver.1.10 as I have only just got it and will need to purchase the update software (an aside question about that later, for those of you who have done the upgrade) and the FCB101 will be here later this week. As for those who have done the upgrade from ver, 1.10 to 2.0: did it really make all the differences that Electrix claims on their website? I have to say that I have been a touch underwhelmed by the website and its' "timeliness" ...especially as the Forum has been under repair for some time now. And their links to vendors of CF cards is not working right either. Has the trend to doing it all in software claimed another piece of hardware and they are now treating the Repeater as an ugly step-child? Curious, Dennis On Jan 20, 2008 3:40 PM, wrote: > This is my first post although and I'm > going to be a bit cheeky with a request. > > I have a Yamaha MFC10 and an Electrix Repeater with the version 2 software > and wondered if anyone who also has this combination on has already set > them > up to talk to one another? Or more precisely with the MFC10 driving the > Repeater. Would they send me the fruits of their labour? > > I am not big on he programming thing, the MFC10 has been sitting for quite > a > while now unused and I seriously wonder if I will ever get round to > setting > it up properly. I know this might be a big call but I might be able to > repay > them somehow. > > Cheers, > Andrew > > ------=_Part_12352_3044172.1200866991159 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Andrew,

I hope your request does not fall on deaf ears. I, for one, will be curious to hear the responses.

Currently, I am in the process of adding a Repeater and a Behringer FCB1010 to my arsenal of goodies. My Repeater is running ver.1.10 as I have only just got it and will need to purchase the update software (an aside question about that later, for those of you who have done the upgrade) and the FCB101 will be here later this week.

As for those who have done the upgrade from ver, 1.10 to 2.0: did it really make all the differences that Electrix claims on their website? I have to say that I have been a touch underwhelmed by the website and its' "timeliness" ...especially as the Forum has been under repair for some time now. And their links to vendors of CF cards is not working right either.

Has the trend to doing it all in software claimed another piece of hardware and they are now treating the Repeater as an ugly step-child?

Curious,

Dennis

On Jan 20, 2008 3:40 PM, < ronaldroy@aapt.net.au> wrote:
This is my first post although and I'm
going to be a bit cheeky with a request.

I have a Yamaha MFC10 and an Electrix Repeater with the version 2 software
and wondered if anyone who also has this combination on has already set them
up to talk to one another? Or more precisely with the MFC10 driving the
Repeater. Would they send me the fruits of their labour?

I am not big on he programming thing, the MFC10 has been sitting for quite a
while now unused and I seriously wonder if I will ever get round to setting
it up properly. I know this might be a big call but I might be able to repay
them somehow.

Cheers,
Andrew


------=_Part_12352_3044172.1200866991159-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 04:50:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF6C23BEB9; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <055301c85be9$144876a0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Call to Musicians: 3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival: May 29 - June 1, 2008 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:49:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0550_01C85BAE.674E9720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:50:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0550_01C85BAE.674E9720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings - This is a call to performers for the upcoming 3rd Annual Boise = Experimental Music Festival, which will take place May 29 through June = 1, 2008. If you are interested in performing at this event, please = review the details of the program below and follow the submission = guidlines located here: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/Submittals.htm (also pasted at the = end of this message) Warm regards, Krispen Hartung Boise Experimental Music Festival Event Coordinator and Artistic Director info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival Festival Overview The 3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival is a four-day event = occurring May 29 through June 1, 2008 in the Boise down town and North = End areas. The festival will feature approximately 38 musical = performances, 14 headliners from out of state or other countries, 24-30 = unique performers/groups, and 20 hours of music. The music performances = featured at the festival will fall into the experimental, avant-garde, = or free improvisation music genres. The festival will also integrate = experimental and avant-garde film, during intermissions and during most = all performances to produce a multimedia experience for attendees. The purpose of this music festival is to a) promote and increase = awareness of experimental music in the Boise and surrounding Treasure = Valley, b) provide a recurring annual venue for experimental musicians = to express their art amongst their peers and potential music = enthusiasts, and c) foster local artistic diversity, awareness, and = appreciation of unusual and avant-garde forms of art. =20 Websites www.myspace.com/boiseexperimentalmusicfesival www.boisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/ =20 Mission Statement The intent of BEMF-3 is to raise awareness and appreciation of = experimental music, provide an artistic venue and outlet for = experimental musicians from all over the world, and place Boise, Idaho = on the world map of creative music as a best-in-class and highly = respected music event.=20 Timing=20 The date for this festival is May 29 through June 1, 2008 (Thursday = through Sunday). The event will begin with an evening kickoff = performance on Thursday at 3 Shapes Aikido in the North End of Boise = from 7pm to 11pm. On Friday there will be another evening performance = for headliners at the El Korah Shrine Center, from 9pm to Midnight. On = Saturday, the main festival begins at 1pm at the El Korah Shrine Center = for back to back performances until 7pm, and then there is a third set = of evening headliner performances from 9pm to Midnight. Finally, on = Sunday, the festival begins at 1pm at the El Korah and continues until = 7pm. On Monday, there will be a luncheon for all performers at the = Bittercreek Alehouse, at 1pm.=20 Note: the above timing and details are subject to minor changes until = the month before the event. Venues and Overall Program Schedule May 29, 7pm - 11pm (Thursday)=20 3 Shapes Aikido 1512 north 10th street Boise, Idaho 83702 208.387.0410 May 30, 9pm - Midnight (Friday) El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 208-343-0571 May 31 (Saturday, 1pm - 7pm) El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 208-343-0571 May 31 (Saturday, 9pm - Midnight) El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 208-343-0571 June 1 (Sunday, 1pm - 7pm) El Korah Shrine Center=20 1118 W Idaho Boise, ID 83701 208-343-0571=20 Note: the above timing is subject to minor changes until the month = before the event. Testimonials "BEMF is one of the most unique and enjoyable festivals out there that = focuses on improvisation and creative musical practices. The gathering = of artists is as much a social event as an artistic one, bringing = together musicians from all over the country to hang out in beautiful = downtown Boise at the lovely restaurants, coffee houses, pubs...and to = listen to each others music. A wonderful event." - Jeff Kaiser (tea = drinker, vegan, occasional yogi, and trumpet player) * * * "Remarkably short on attitude, long on the surprises that recombinance = encourages, and as genial and matter-of-fact as the community that hosts = it, BEMF has an interesting secret to drive its growth - anybody who's = been there once wants to come back again, and they've told their = friends." - Gregory Taylor * * * "...BEMF is one of the best organized, most creative and most generous = in spirit of any I've ever participated in. I'm just astonished that in = less than two years that you have created a world class new music = festival." - Rick Walker (festival coordinator & artistic director / = professional musician) Performance Submission Process 1) Send the following information to info@krispenhartung.com before = March 31, 2008: a.. Your Name=20 b.. Your group name (if applicable)=20 c.. email and/or phone number=20 d.. Website (if available)=20 e.. A brief description of your music (300 words or less)=20 f.. References: a list of other festivals or major performances in = your music history (those that would be more consistent with the = experimental/avant-garde genres)=20 g.. Attached sample mp3s (no more than 6MB of attachments) of your = work, preferably from a live performance=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0550_01C85BAE.674E9720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings -
 
This is a call to performers for the upcoming 3rd = Annual=20 Boise Experimental Music Festival, which will take=20 place May 29 through June 1, 2008.  If = you are=20 interested in performing at this event, please review the details = of the=20 program below and follow the submission guidlines located here:  http://www.b= oisemusicians.com/BEMF-3/Submittals.htm (also=20 pasted at the end of this message)
 
Warm regards,

Krispen Hartung
Boise Experimental Music Festival
Event = Coordinator and=20 Artistic Director
info@krispenhartung.com
1-= 208-724-5603

3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music=20 Festival

Festival Overview

The 3rd Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival is=20 a four-day event occurring May 29 through June 1, 2008 in the Boise down = town and North=20 End areas. The festival will feature approximately 38 musical = performances, 14=20 headliners from out of state or other countries, 24-30 unique = performers/groups,=20 and 20 hours of music. The music performances featured at the festival = will fall=20 into the experimental, avant-garde, or free improvisation music = genres.  The festival will also = integrate=20 experimental and avant-garde film, during intermissions and during most = all=20 performances to produce a multimedia experience for=20 attendees.

The=20 purpose of this music festival is to a) promote and increase awareness = of=20 experimental music in the Boise and = surrounding=20 Treasure=20 Valley, b) = provide a=20 recurring annual venue for experimental musicians to express their art = amongst=20 their peers and potential music enthusiasts, and c) foster local = artistic=20 diversity, awareness, and appreciation of unusual and avant-garde forms = of=20 art.   

Websites

www.myspace= .com/boiseexperimentalmusicfesival
www.boisemusicians.com/BEM= F-3/

 

Mission=20 Statement

The intent=20 of BEMF-3 is to raise awareness and appreciation of experimental music, = provide=20 an artistic venue and outlet for experimental musicians from all over = the world,=20 and place Boise, = Idaho on the world map of creative = music as a=20 best-in-class and highly respected music event. =

 

Timing=20

The date for this = festival is=20 May 29 through June 1, 2008 (Thursday through Sunday). = The event will begin with an=20 evening kickoff = performance on=20 Thursday at 3 Shapes Aikido in the North End of Boise = from 7pm=20 to 11pm. On Friday there will be another evening performance for = headliners at=20 the El Korah Shrine Center, from 9pm to Midnight. On = Saturday,=20 the main festival begins at 1pm at the El Korah Shrine Center for back = to back=20 performances until 7pm, and then there is a third set of evening = headliner=20 performances from 9pm to Midnight. Finally, on Sunday, the festival = begins=20 at 1pm at the El Korah and continues until 7pm. On Monday, there will be = a=20 luncheon for all performers at the Bittercreek = Alehouse, at=20 1pm.

Note: the above timing and details are subject to minor = changes=20 until the month before the event.
Venues and Overall Program = Schedule

May 29, 7pm - = 11pm=20 (Thursday)
3 Shapes=20 Aikido
1512 north 10th=20 street
Boise,=20 Idaho 83702
208.387.0410

May 30, 9pm - Midnight = (Friday)
El Korah Shrine Center
1118 W=20 Idaho
Boise, ID=20 83701
208-343-0571

May 31 = (Saturday, 1pm -=20 7pm)
El Korah=20 Shrine Center
1118 W=20 Idaho
Boise,=20 ID 83701
208-343-0571

May 31 (Saturday, = 9pm -=20 Midnight)
El Korah=20 Shrine Center
1118 W=20 Idaho
Boise,=20 ID 83701
208-343-0571

June 1 = (Sunday, 1pm -=20 7pm)
El Korah=20 Shrine Center
1118 W=20 Idaho
Boise,=20 ID 83701
208-343-0571 

Note: the above = timing is=20 subject to minor changes until the month before the = event.

 

Testimonials

"BEMF is=20 one of the most unique and enjoyable festivals out there that focuses on = improvisation and creative musical practices. The gathering of artists = is as=20 much a social event as an artistic one, bringing together musicians from = all=20 over the country to hang out in beautiful downtown Boise at the = lovely=20 restaurants, coffee houses, pubs...and to listen to each others music. A = wonderful event."  -  Jeff Kaiser (tea drinker, = vegan,=20 occasional yogi, and trumpet player)

* *=20 *

"Remarkably short on attitude, long on the = surprises=20 that recombinance encourages, and as genial and matter-of-fact as the = community=20 that hosts it, BEMF has an interesting secret to drive its growth - = anybody=20 who's been there once wants to come back again, and they've told their = friends."=20 - Gregory Taylor

* *=20 *

"...BEMF=20 is one of the best organized, most creative and most generous in spirit = of any=20 I've ever participated in. I'm just astonished that in less than two = years that=20 you have created a world class new music festival." - Rick Walker = (festival=20 coordinator & artistic director / professional=20 musician)

 

Performance Submission Process

1) Send the following information to info@krispenhartung.com = before March=20 31, 2008:

  • Your Name
  • Your group name (if applicable)
  • email and/or phone number
  • Website (if available)
  • A brief description of your music (300 words or less) =
  • References: a list of other festivals or major performances = in your=20 music history (those that would be more consistent with the=20 experimental/avant-garde genres)
  • Attached sample mp3s (no more than 6MB of attachments) of = your work,=20 preferably from a live performance=20


------=_NextPart_000_0550_01C85BAE.674E9720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 07:11:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8041D3BECA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080121071100979.EF16C1C00069@mwinf2724.orange.fr Message-ID: <47944583.1000502@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:10:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Interface References: <7bf141790801151513o5679637fn782f4f320568eb80@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0801151535u7ba69a95x2f565fe381b9eb02@mail.gmail.com> <4791AB94.7020103@addcom.de> <006901c85a8a$7b5c6aa0$0300000a@erdem> <66f9cc1e0801190357t455f266bm140e43088bc34844@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0801190357t455f266bm140e43088bc34844@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > I remember there were something that kept me away from investing in > it now, maybe because they are not finished with the AU support, There is a third party AU external available, not as versatile than the vst~ external, but seems to work, and you can create Pluggos which run as AU. In the not so far future, there will be a new Max version 5. But if you get Version 4.6 now, you'll get a free upgrade... I'll be happy to help out anybody who is willing to dive into Max programming. And if I get some sponsorship to come to Y2K8 or the Boise festival, I will setup a Max/MSP course for loopers, to get all of you goin... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jan 21 07:50:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E2BC3BEB6; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=ng27EiNMvlqa8U/3h0bZHzXqsEWGoz21ra2KLQs12sw=; b=nkADix7/EN8RdLcdRd08GM23aNGm4/GpWeu3aYbuSimIHuwJDM4zj/CqYepNd+lAixKsKvZNAI26riZ8K9MUm0mbLIazcMUhYQzHs/KPJAFFA1NOjotNsHok0KOFr8ROZd8dEscgvUd0zC8YPVGh2EHmmqL5Iy2Ge1VHCHXLH3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=axyB67r8Y2Y3oEBdgRrcbN7ntkefjJsdxrdijxhb5ehYSSckfU2Uflro1WpQQtvhVX6OAZeb0qcoEBYkewQr999J4ELFp3snDOk0eNa7M6pX5ARZT9gl6rFezoD7B88Zit9pB7FDIo+u8n5NjZYvauhl7moLglLFySgL+O5U5Y0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801202350q67987d99pf72dc42a31339161@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:50:32 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Max/MSP (Re: Live Looping Interface) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:50:34 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen schrieb: > > I remember there were something that kept me away from investing in > > it now, maybe because they are not finished with the AU support, On Jan 21, 2008 8:10 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > There is a third party AU external available, not as versatile than the > vst~ external, but seems to work, and you can create Pluggos which run > as AU. Thank you, Stefan, but that is exactly why I'm not buying Max/MSP; a third party extension is needed. When hearing developers talking about the AU protocol it just seems to be a good system and something you'd better support from the ground and up. I'm just too sick with VST after having spent too many hours trying out different plug-ins of the same functionality to find those which are stable to use with a particular host. It seems the Max concept as a whole also needs "workarounds" when dealing with tempo related processes - which is the very nature of looping and also the way I look at music (ie measuring "time" as related to a given tempo instead of absolute values as milliseconds). I don't think Max is bad or anything, but my interested is not in programming per se, only in getting some specific software tools to make music with. As for my recent needs Plogue Bidule is faster for me for setting up certain patches I need. I used to think that I may buy Max/MSP to create a looper, as I want it, but this doesn't seem to be needed either today, thanks to the direction Loogelloop is taking. Maybe in the future, if Loogelloop gets its act together, I might buy Max for the direct purpose of creating plug-in extensions to that looper. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 00:35:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA72C3BEC7; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3603 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:35:37 UTC Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:38:07 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Timefactor looper Eventide response In-reply-to: <003b01c85c66$a250c100$6c052052@customer3530f5> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5284E4CD-5FC3-4AF9-974A-843B4AEA98B6@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--686811836 X-Priority: 3 References: <003b01c85c66$a250c100$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:35:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--686811836 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >We have since released a public beta version of new software for the TimeFactor in which this issue was addressed > and eliminated. Didn't someone else (maybe you?) on the list say that v.2 didn't eliminate the problem? Jeff --Apple-Mail-8--686811836 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>We have = since released a public beta version of new software for the TimeFactor = in which this issue was addressed
and = eliminated.

Didn't = someone else (maybe you?) on the list say that v.2 didn't eliminate the = problem?=A0

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-8--686811836-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 01:20:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CDA3BED2; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:20:03 -0800 From: Toby G To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Subject: timefactor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.61.20.122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:20:07 +0000 (UTC) It is not eliminated. >We have since released a public beta version of new software for the TimeFactor in which this issue was addressed >and eliminated. >Didn't someone else (maybe you?) on the list say that v.2 didn't eliminate the problem? >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 01:26:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881B63BEC5; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:29:10 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: timefactor In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <921D67D7-7397-4040-B180-7ED3D41F5241@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:26:50 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 21, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Toby G wrote: > It is not eliminated. Report it then, just as they asked people to do? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 02:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 947DB3BED6; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5116 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:08:43 UTC Message-ID: <002e01c85c8f$c8375f90$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <815057.5134.qm@web39208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! *** NOT Forwarded ***THIS IS PERSONAL PLEASE HELP ME STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!! Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:43:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C85C8F.C708A390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:08:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C85C8F.C708A390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a Starbucks Cult? Inquiring minds want to know. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: K D Patten=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2008 21:38 PM Subject: Re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a = Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! *** NOT = Forwarded ***THIS IS PERSONAL PLEASE HELP ME STOP THE MADNESS!!!!!! lurker sufacing....guys no disrespect intended here but isn't this = kinda off topic. i usuly don't post...cause i'm not that great of a = looper..but i'm learning......as for the coffee place you may not want = to be so supportive of big = corporate..........http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D55564 = ...........K Dan wrote: www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Dan wrote: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp Doggone it Im personally emailing this out to everyone because I = have family and very close friends who work at Starbucks. They treat them very well and with a = lot of respect. Slim and none truth in this rumour. ////////// ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C85C8F.C708A390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a Starbucks Cult?  = Inquiring minds=20 want to know.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 K D = Patten=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, 21 January, 2008 = 21:38=20 PM
Subject: Re: www.snopes= .com/politics/military/starbucks.asp=20 This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes = Website!!! ***=20 NOT Forwarded ***THIS IS PERSONAL PLEASE HELP ME STOP THE = MADNESS!!!!!!

lurker sufacing....guys no disrespect intended here but = isn't=20 this kinda off topic. i usuly don't post...cause  i'm not that = great of a=20 looper..but i'm learning......as for the coffee  place you may = not want=20 to be so supportive  of  big=20 = corporate..........http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D55564&nbs= p;            = ;   =20 ...........K

Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks
www.myspace.com/albertinip= rojects
www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn

---=20 Dan=20 = wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/politics= /military/starbucks.asp

Doggone=20 it Im personally emailing this out to everyone because I have family = and=20 very close
friends who work at Starbucks. They treat them very = well and=20 with a lot of respect. Slim and
none truth in this rumour.=20 = //////////

------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C85C8F.C708A390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 03:12:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E04093BED8; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3616 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:12:59 UTC Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:12:29 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: WAY OT re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4795510D.6020101@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:12:59 +0000 (UTC) This is not only Off Topic and should be labeled so, but the irony demands comment. Internet hoaxes are sometimes created with an actual axe to grind against a party (in this case a company with a spotty record when it comes to labor rights - particularly the right to organize here in NYC). More often they are just to generate tons of lame email that people send to their entire mailing lists without researching the subject - exactly the way rumors spread in the non-technological world. For example - when a hoax about a computer virus prompts people to 'send this to everyone you know'. Bingo! The desired effect is achieved when that person decides that they need to warn their friends about the imaginary danger.. In this case our intrepid reporter not only feels compelled to act TO ADDRESS THE HOAX and spams the list (probably as just another member of his address book), but in the process exposes the addresses of all the friends and acquaintances in his address book. Dear Daniel, I think the internet has been around long enough so you should understand the dynamics of how internet hoaxes spread and where the risks actually lie. In this case, I'd be more concerned with exposing all your friends' email addresses in a post to an internet group. (hint: there are ways to hide these when you're sending to a list of addresses using ".BCC"). BTW Starbucks can take care of themselves. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 04:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19A423BEDD; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:20:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=M36/n9YGf6B5+noeFs8W4HWBlFhg/kJR643h/sS6Mgo=; b=vJ+7+QSist8+kCb3g111uCgKX4z3OXho51FA4NYRrsl3m/fjxO1mRDOU3Hl2mXrlnIr4nhJzR6nk35HjqgPkRdV50zKtICLwurfkpU92Uv7MFpbKlNa7VFexcFxR4L40T4F1ueQCLa6VjEUug704R65rW9LFYHNBWkN9G6SwrRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TD53OfGAAwNXVrTRG4XhkbPUMQOVNFDbLI4SbI231NXrXyvzGwtojqF2D3dnFYHoo+UtXMYpbiPA8RBdvw1Q2Qm/c/2met5hKLRDjC1sGzHOsmSYiQvlrZOmkMKb+Qg94Uz+iBCiLOxkBJ7MF+Iftr0on1ya3zxNAWP80Z0bgpI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:20:40 -0600 From: "Doug Cox" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 Tonecore Developer's Kit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17940_23902951.1200975640073" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:20:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17940_23902951.1200975640073 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This looks interesting: http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=100#609 Who's going to build the first granulator stompbox? :) ------=_Part_17940_23902951.1200975640073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This looks interesting:

http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=100#609

Who's going to build the first granulator stompbox? :)
------=_Part_17940_23902951.1200975640073-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA56B3BEDB; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080122060522134.20CDC700008D@mwinf2b17.orange.fr Message-ID: <479587A1.9060009@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:05:21 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Another Sought After Effect (MAX/MSP?) References: <66E58371-B06C-4DA4-9C40-46C8114A9597@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <66E58371-B06C-4DA4-9C40-46C8114A9597@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > Would Max/MSP be capable of such device? Is there a simple solution Im > missing? Of course, how steep should the filter be? It would take me an hour to make a little patch, and another to clean it up and turn it into a VST or application... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:29:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ED703BEDF; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cp1Yi/Hf5LS+Hc6/sbeGEYyBGpJaqgtywWF0gccHJgI2ByQC+OcUQwkID1OlMkYG2PRwSMvj/pxgV5OuRTf8vkbyUWYJKyeHVIUVQTJzS5pYcEMaKPPw9qIq316myQQKQS76yyIO/FbvHqw/nZjECT+sbUrWeAcu20Mv0MTbmBw=; X-YMail-OSG: GNnApIAVM1kGg8zIYCpDIl5ZaoOC7xTEMALIoLZpHKrC40Fjf4l8U7WpbTRUYQaz6NFcOgH4ZoXLteZNrNK34AM6idbWTQ0EtvdlyMBxkiSET3Zw_mcAuSsdG9D2BQ-- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: WAY OT re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4795510D.6020101@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <859263.30666.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:29:24 +0000 (UTC) OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I did not mean to get this on the loopers delight thread!!! Somehow somebodys email was from loopers delight? And I will try to figure out who that was. I almost had Brian Good on there but caught it at the last minute! I am so sorry fellow loopers of delight!!! This was actually a personal emailing by myself I did not forward any mass email I typed it myself. I already learned the hard way about this and I just got off the phone this morning talking about it with Michael Chapdelaine!!! He was very helpful and kind and recommended a program within Microsoft Outlook Express. He has many thousands of people on his email lists and he says this program with a strange name I cannot remember right now?? Really helps sort out all the tangled up mess a mass email can get into. Just one comma out of place in hundreds of emails can screw up your whole attempt and thats exactly what happenned to me this morning and it took hours to figure out hunting down the problem!!! Now Im gonna go look into Snopes about this giant UFO in Texas!!! Part of me really hopes thats real, but Im real real experienced first hand and have been researching unidentified phenomena most of my life. I and a number of my friends and family here in Pittsburg Kansas have constantly been seeing what looks like quickly moving satellites or near stars that can change direction faster than what your mind can comprehend!!! We have some of them on night vision video :o) I dont think there would be any way these could be anything other than unmanned flying objects as to a human could not survive the extreme G Force changes, no way possible! Maybe if it was not human and had an exoskeleton! Ha Ha LoL. Thanks for letting me know about this as soon as possible so I can put a stop to it! Hope you enjoy my spontaneous compositions with my boomerang phrase sampler as well? --- Dan Ash wrote: > This is not only Off Topic and should be labeled so, but the irony > demands comment. > > Internet hoaxes are sometimes created with an actual axe to grind > against a party (in this case a company with a spotty record when it > comes to labor rights - particularly the right to organize here in > NYC). More often they are just to generate tons of lame email that > people send to their entire mailing lists without researching the > subject - exactly the way rumors spread in the non-technological world. > For example - when a hoax about a computer virus prompts people to 'send > this to everyone you know'. Bingo! The desired effect is achieved when > that person decides that they need to warn their friends about the > imaginary danger.. > > In this case our intrepid reporter not only feels compelled to act TO > ADDRESS THE HOAX and spams the list (probably as just another member of > his address book), but in the process exposes the addresses of all the > friends and acquaintances in his address book. > > Dear Daniel, I think the internet has been around long enough so you > should understand the dynamics of how internet hoaxes spread and where > the risks actually lie. In this case, I'd be more concerned with > exposing all your friends' email addresses in a post to an internet > group. (hint: there are ways to hide these when you're sending to a list > of addresses using ".BCC"). > > BTW Starbucks can take care of themselves. > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:38:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E81C3BEDC; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20080122063831818.C7C5F1C00043@mwinf1903.orange.fr Message-ID: <47958F67.4070806@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:38:31 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 Tonecore Developer's Kit References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Doug Cox schrieb: > This looks interesting: > > http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=100#609 > > Who's going to build the first granulator stompbox? :) This sounds very interesting, I hope someone of the Pd hackers is creating a Pd version for it... That would allow almost everything... I hope Line 6 will deliver different hardware options, one might need more than one switch to stomp on... Btw, the DSP belongs to the same family as the Capybara/Kyma... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:41:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C483BEE7; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fbr4J+WeSmXTYCN1yeS0AzjO5rnqCl+OxK/RyjDfUn42eUABOqnWXpZtHXbEi2Hj6Hhf/p0l/FBN6MkI0N39HOX4b/uYwOoYz9eAQW00G4LrkW0J42/XqU1P/rUxL+atBplD+aHuOqTfzzAADI2ZCA0xtIja+PLSgvdwMu/dTuY=; X-YMail-OSG: vc_nGI4VM1kx_rNwwnb6AMNrEmyvcGaDDnZl.xI655mkhy0W6dEE8lJTO.P1dxSyGas5WkKqQ2dLoIGglhAVV5anfaAOxy589p457tLjqmpntmKukX4- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:41:44 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Trying to explain I did not mean to get that personal email on here!!! To: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <939399.58181.qm@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ao1K.A.Y-.pAZlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:41:46 +0000 (UTC) I am so sorry, I am still not sure how that happenned? There were hundreds of people on that PERSONAL email I sent out. It was not a forward from the internet HOAX. I seen your email on that list at the last minute and removed it then there was an issue with a comma being out of place and it went on and on for hours. I finally figured out the problems and got it out to my friends and family who originally sent me the HOAX email unknowing of what they were doing seemed like the right thing but was probably disastrous with cookies and viruses or trojans attached? I have already learned the hard way about mass emailing forwarding!!! I called up Michael Chapdelaine and talked to him for quite a while about these email challenges. He said he does not have those problems because he does not even use Yahoo in that way? He has a program in Microsoft Outlook Express that handles the hundreds of thousands of people on his email lists! I hope you liked my spontaneous experimental loops and new DVD/Music Vid, its only our first try as we learn how to navigate the twists and turns through myspace and all the technical jargon to get the job done right! It can be awfully darn confusing to say the least. Well I have my first job assignment tomorrow morning for the mental health agency so I must sign out! Thanks for your understanding and patience in this matter. Let me know if I screw up anything else? Or if you or anybody in the group need any luthiery services if you please... And by the way..... LOOPERS DELIGHT ROCKS!!!!! Thank You, Daniel T. Albertini ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 06:42:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03C213BEF5; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HznL8RWjq0QcKHzGDagT04scIjRwihT3J1Gw/cgFIJTAURtHfOLa1AZhHGChA0CMqTotHOzbppifMNb+r/XZHSTIBXr8HNaYNT3uYUZC6hJCTenTpStfqzcJzYlmyw+2ETMYrchytcIr6+l2FHp1DzTkPPbL7J/0MuomTfbzo9k=; X-YMail-OSG: 9OsdItsVM1k.6_9fsXz2qVmScQbt25kgXoIfWQ3zAvlVpTkJClD6xdI.TB6DR.PlXOnoAuPutPJRKYrtvhFsyHpjRByMRHitjNIi8jY.KfbgvQKIN74Mn_KYircRxg-- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Fwd: Re: WAY OT re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! To: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1717702581-1200984145=:16971" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <876532.16971.qm@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:42:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1717702581-1200984145=:16971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --0-1717702581-1200984145=:16971 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Apparently-To: danielalbertini72@yahoo.com via 66.163.178.120; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [207.228.238.45] Authentication-Results: mta198.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=yahoo.com; domainkeys=fail (bad sig) Received: from 207.228.238.45 (EHLO arsenic.violacea.com) (207.228.238.45) by mta198.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:25 -0800 Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522293BEDE; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cp1Yi/Hf5LS+Hc6/sbeGEYyBGpJaqgtywWF0gccHJgI2ByQC+OcUQwkID1OlMkYG2PRwSMvj/pxgV5OuRTf8vkbyUWYJKyeHVIUVQTJzS5pYcEMaKPPw9qIq316myQQKQS76yyIO/FbvHqw/nZjECT+sbUrWeAcu20Mv0MTbmBw=; X-YMail-OSG: GNnApIAVM1kGg8zIYCpDIl5ZaoOC7xTEMALIoLZpHKrC40Fjf4l8U7WpbTRUYQaz6NFcOgH4ZoXLteZNrNK34AM6idbWTQ0EtvdlyMBxkiSET3Zw_mcAuSsdG9D2BQ-- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:29:22 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: WAY OT re: www.snopes.com/politics/military/starbucks.asp This is a Email being Verified as a HOAX on this link to Snopes Website!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4795510D.6020101@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Content-Length: 1949 OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I did not mean to get this on the loopers delight thread!!! Somehow somebodys email was from loopers delight? And I will try to figure out who that was. I almost had Brian Good on there but caught it at the last minute! I am so sorry fellow loopers of delight!!! This was actually a personal emailing by myself I did not forward any mass email I typed it myself. I already learned the hard way about this and I just got off the phone this morning talking about it with Michael Chapdelaine!!! He was very helpful and kind and recommended a program within Microsoft Outlook Express. He has many thousands of people on his email lists and he says this program with a strange name I cannot remember right now?? Really helps sort out all the tangled up mess a mass email can get into. Just one comma out of place in hundreds of emails can screw up your whole attempt and thats exactly what happenned to me this morning and it took hours to figure out hunting down the problem!!! Now Im gonna go look into Snopes about this giant UFO in Texas!!! Part of me really hopes thats real, but Im real real experienced first hand and have been researching unidentified phenomena most of my life. I and a number of my friends and family here in Pittsburg Kansas have constantly been seeing what looks like quickly moving satellites or near stars that can change direction faster than what your mind can comprehend!!! We have some of them on night vision video :o) I dont think there would be any way these could be anything other than unmanned flying objects as to a human could not survive the extreme G Force changes, no way possible! Maybe if it was not human and had an exoskeleton! Ha Ha LoL. Thanks for letting me know about this as soon as possible so I can put a stop to it! Hope you enjoy my spontaneous compositions with my boomerang phrase sampler as well? --- Dan Ash wrote: > This is not only Off Topic and should be labeled so, but the irony > demands comment. > > Internet hoaxes are sometimes created with an actual axe to grind > against a party (in this case a company with a spotty record when it > comes to labor rights - particularly the right to organize here in > NYC). More often they are just to generate tons of lame email that > people send to their entire mailing lists without researching the > subject - exactly the way rumors spread in the non-technological world. > For example - when a hoax about a computer virus prompts people to 'send > this to everyone you know'. Bingo! The desired effect is achieved when > that person decides that they need to warn their friends about the > imaginary danger.. > > In this case our intrepid reporter not only feels compelled to act TO > ADDRESS THE HOAX and spams the list (probably as just another member of > his address book), but in the process exposes the addresses of all the > friends and acquaintances in his address book. > > Dear Daniel, I think the internet has been around long enough so you > should understand the dynamics of how internet hoaxes spread and where > the risks actually lie. In this case, I'd be more concerned with > exposing all your friends' email addresses in a post to an internet > group. (hint: there are ways to hide these when you're sending to a list > of addresses using ".BCC"). > > BTW Starbucks can take care of themselves. > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --0-1717702581-1200984145=:16971-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 08:04:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C74823BEE7; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:04:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Line 6 Tonecore Developer's Kit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4FnyB.A.15G.POalHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:04:31 +0000 (UTC) At 10:20 PM -0600 1/21/08, Doug Cox wrote: > >http://www.vettaville.nl/page.php?id=100#609 > >Who's going to build the first granulator stompbox? :) Oh, I am so right there with you. And I've been thinking about that particular stomp since around Summer/Fall. I even roughed out a kludge to do something similar in analog a few weeks back. Unfortunately, whenever I get near a soldering iron things tend to spontaneously burst into flame. :P I'm really hoping they do this one right. I think it could be a lot of fun! --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 11:11:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1248B3BEDC; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:11:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hi2Et2Wo4JcoGICJ6vg7kgnjW3OsZu3R4SmMJfKdCzo=; b=VKH/ndEFTtVg1LuQDwH6Gc6C5ecLoNEM9UF2a6RgHWGCcW1uiExXN6Xups8mWgnsvHiFaLABcIXT7fBl7p5guUColhPKQx6xrE73Mza5nAo+WAC8BUjA8wevsgi5Hno7DahxnYnZLjRS8BWKFUdHvspduG6F/y8kP1SUAIyr9ko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G1jnyNGID/jpET/iBcFkLQ8flYx2WdLmlpuiKvkxgpAyudhB+N0IbhMLz6Wk5Bc+nWWXeRjSNTt/p8BOpCUitIh5D7YG5XYxhHDIGaFH0MF9+pLKGHNm9eE1MBJ67z2sdnmKHsdwl1L3DeLe+F6E+DiXd8aW9kagcbarroVfzVA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:11:02 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (GIG SPAM!) ... New Streaming Concert Series ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2619_22956683.1201000262565" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:11:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2619_22956683.1201000262565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tonight, the first Full Moon of 2008 will rise, and with it, a concert series begins! For the next 12 months, i will be performing a live stream. Each performance will commence promptly at 6:00 PM (18:00) Eastern Standard Time in the US and can be heard at this URL: http://88.198.48.138:9600/ ...some of you might recognize that URL as my 24x7 stream used in Second Life... and you'd be right! It's a series called the "Full Moon Lunacy Concerts" and tonight it's "The Wolf Moon Performance" and I'll be performing at an old familiar venue. Those of you who are active in Second Life and want to hear it, send an IM to AldoManutio Abruzzo or Bibi Book for details. The show will run for 90 minutes; with luck and persistence, it will be recorded for rebroadcast/listening later. Stay tuned here for more info on that. Hope some of you can (virtually) make it to hear the performance and, if not tonight's, be sure and listen to the next 11! ------=_Part_2619_22956683.1201000262565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tonight, the first Full Moon of 2008 will rise, and with it, a concert series begins!

For the next 12 months, i will be performing a live stream. Each performance will commence promptly at 6:00 PM (18:00) Eastern Standard Time in the US and can be heard at this URL:

http://88.198.48.138:9600/

...some of you might recognize that URL as my 24x7 stream used in Second Life... and you'd be right! It's a series called the "Full Moon Lunacy Concerts" and tonight it's "The Wolf Moon Performance" and I'll be performing at an old familiar venue. Those of you who are active in Second Life and want to hear it, send an IM to AldoManutio Abruzzo or Bibi Book for details.

The show will run for 90 minutes; with luck and persistence, it will be recorded for rebroadcast/listening later. Stay tuned here for more info on that.

Hope some of you can (virtually) make it to hear the performance and, if not tonight's, be sure and listen to the next 11! ------=_Part_2619_22956683.1201000262565-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 12:12:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FAF73BEF4; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <479587A1.9060009@addcom.de> References: <66E58371-B06C-4DA4-9C40-46C8114A9597@mac.com> <479587A1.9060009@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Another Sought After Effect (MAX/MSP?) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:12:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_V4AtD.A.zAG.92dlHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, pretty steep as you do want the full spectrum. But a Q control might be very useful. So it's possible? Feel free to experiment. I was thinking of getting the the new version of max, but I understand it has a pretty steep learning curve. Let me know what you come up with. Thanks very much, Chris On Jan 22, 2008, at 1:05 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> Would Max/MSP be capable of such device? Is there a simple >> solution Im missing? > > Of course, how steep should the filter be? It would take me an hour > to make a little patch, and another to clean it up and turn it into > a VST or application... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From wellsfargo@update-wellsfargo.com Tue Jan 22 12:24:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 731 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:24:51 UTC Received: from fyisvr1.freshyouth.org (67.111.174.226.ptr.us.xo.net [67.111.174.226]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFC73BEF0 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([217.118.0.121]) by fyisvr1.freshyouth.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Wells Fargo Online" Subject: Safety and integrity of the Wells Fargo Banking! Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13.12.25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2008 12:09:35.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7505CE0:01C85CEF] To: undisclosed-recipients:; New Page 1
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1433C3BF01; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2733 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:37:30 UTC X-ME-UUID: 20080122185155762.BA1A87000181@mwinf2e01.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Concert Reyn vs Coparck (Paradiso, Amsterdam) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:51:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi people! I did a show in Paradiso Amsterdam last week and people made some =20 audio and video recordings. I put them online and thought you guys =20 might find it interesting since it's looping all over the place. For the after-show of Coparck's last concert of their =913rd ALBUM-TOUR =20= (an album produced by yours truly), I played a special set with 10 =20 'live remixes' made of Coparck songs... Should be making more sense =20 if you knew the original Coparck tracks, but hopefully you guys and =20 grrrls can still enjoy this!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlbauopyYEzQ&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DazYAhFRLh7E&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtmPd4IorfM4&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DW0hLhRm7U-8&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTRgcWVb9fsU&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVacfLghIgrM&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsflYXKeva3I&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D966XMSIiPpk&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaH28IEcFL0c&feature=3Duser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR0JiDJuE-Fw&feature=3Duser Setup is kinda interesting. I recently bought a Gordius Big Little =20 Giant which is now the big central station in my setup. Running in =20 the background is Ableton Live and the Echoplex syncs to it after the =20= MIDIClock is piped from the laptop through the Gordius to all other =20 equipment. (in another setup for februari I also have a MachineDrum =20 synced). And all the settings and patch changes happen from the =20 Gordius where I got a setlist going. And when I scroll through the =20 songs after I release the button for a second even the songs in =20 Ableton get loaded automatically with MIDIStroke. And whether the =20 EPDs should be synced to each other or to Ableton all happen =20 automatically. All settings imaginable.. Also automatic mutes of the =20 EPD and changes in the Live form are all automated. It takes some =20 work to program but when it's all done it really opened a new world =20 for me! Keep you posted! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 19:49:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA90D3BEF6; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042c01c85d2f$e18b2da0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: Subject: Re: Concert Reyn vs Coparck (Paradiso, Amsterdam) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:49:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Simply great !!! fabio www.eerogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reyn Ouwehand" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Concert Reyn vs Coparck (Paradiso, Amsterdam) Hi people! I did a show in Paradiso Amsterdam last week and people made some audio and video recordings. I put them online and thought you guys might find it interesting since it's looping all over the place. For the after-show of Coparck's last concert of their ‘3rd ALBUM-TOUR (an album produced by yours truly), I played a special set with 10 'live remixes' made of Coparck songs... Should be making more sense if you knew the original Coparck tracks, but hopefully you guys and grrrls can still enjoy this!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbauopyYEzQ&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azYAhFRLh7E&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPd4IorfM4&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hLhRm7U-8&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgcWVb9fsU&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VacfLghIgrM&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflYXKeva3I&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=966XMSIiPpk&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH28IEcFL0c&feature=user http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0JiDJuE-Fw&feature=user Setup is kinda interesting. I recently bought a Gordius Big Little Giant which is now the big central station in my setup. Running in the background is Ableton Live and the Echoplex syncs to it after the MIDIClock is piped from the laptop through the Gordius to all other equipment. (in another setup for februari I also have a MachineDrum synced). And all the settings and patch changes happen from the Gordius where I got a setlist going. And when I scroll through the songs after I release the button for a second even the songs in Ableton get loaded automatically with MIDIStroke. And whether the EPDs should be synced to each other or to Ableton all happen automatically. All settings imaginable.. Also automatic mutes of the EPD and changes in the Live form are all automated. It takes some work to program but when it's all done it really opened a new world for me! Keep you posted! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: 21/01/2008 20.23 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 21:21:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A623BEF9; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=q622uQZqVf3Q7kaoO8bh0RwakIFJf0Zff+V8b4aueqk=; b=xiE9nsZaKxn0iJ9XMWzMSQkW2JPE9U676XfH11v38VBM9/JJUokgl/y3SsRjhlm1dg3qTg1JGGW25G900gizDUU3vCMq7deSoE6jZeMCM47LhB2EzbwzH+MoQRUFaawaOGFrDNBYku4nLvGcBdZMtrwLYIvPAn5GfO/7bm3v6qI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OItgty4TDKsaPqLbEzAoyDxgkoKIYC8LiIya89iRMkk+9gHVMQZXTe/g3CXna8u1SOstCLrzsK816x8ubAMYIjEQsb/PJhMSw12ZeKmLdk0NdqdSpunbGvW7dc/GENx62DHwOPhY22tFCSbG2jbfi1pRQrM0igQgt5KnlOu8Qns= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0801221321o3dc5b453p88ff686a80977f58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:21:55 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Reyn vs Coparck (Paradiso, Amsterdam) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:21:56 +0000 (UTC) On Jan 22, 2008 7:51 PM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > Hi people! > (an album produced by yours truly), I played a special set with 10 > 'live remixes' made of Coparck songs... Great listening! I like the chilled feeling of those versions. 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SADIQ ALMAN) CHIEF AUDITOR TO THE PRESIDENT FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA ATM CARD PAYMENT FOR FUND BENEFICIARIES, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jan 22 23:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A113BF04; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mAiFQXEHEZakMB2lj0RZXkDEBngrd5+PjtKd7oIJ2k322H7jJ6TNaMgSIlmrUSEOu3MjX7t3SyExp4GkYvNZQgIresBv3x0pWV2sCZPNIFS3ARq5LRvnyxXhkhLO4zGOkkb2aJwtc0oDF2NR0z4pM0CgDf043v1qGx9gXiyMHq0=; X-YMail-OSG: 6DVlmPAVM1k0tn75JKe.64eJDhCEjtNyfIoeQzfs4qNZafUKWjy47ufXUlc.itjYjTWwUHjEwoxTJgZZ.FfcjJPJbs_NfmhL7li21W2AQy2cE6QGbKMRWGkKz08Pgw-- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Concert Reyn vs Coparck (Paradiso, Amsterdam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <285824.1613.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Reyn awesome!man your upcoming studio is a musicians dream not to mention your collection of toyz! anyway, now that you have gordius where do you place it near the keys or drums? are you using x-tra switches or midi pedals midi chained to add layers ad lib as you move around the instruments or is it all prearranged and automated by ableton? with all those mics open how do you avoid bleeding or feedback? or are you muting chanels that you are not using as well? keep on rocking! cheers Luis --- Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > Hi people! > > I did a show in Paradiso Amsterdam last week and > people made some > audio and video recordings. I put them online and > thought you guys > might find it interesting since it's looping all > over the place. > For the after-show of Coparck's last concert of > their ‘3rd ALBUM-TOUR > (an album produced by yours truly), I played a > special set with 10 > 'live remixes' made of Coparck songs... Should be > making more sense > if you knew the original Coparck tracks, but > hopefully you guys and > grrrls can still enjoy this!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbauopyYEzQ&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azYAhFRLh7E&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPd4IorfM4&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0hLhRm7U-8&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgcWVb9fsU&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VacfLghIgrM&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflYXKeva3I&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=966XMSIiPpk&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH28IEcFL0c&feature=user > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0JiDJuE-Fw&feature=user > > Setup is kinda interesting. I recently bought a > Gordius Big Little > Giant which is now the big central station in my > setup. Running in > the background is Ableton Live and the Echoplex > syncs to it after the > MIDIClock is piped from the laptop through the > Gordius to all other > equipment. (in another setup for februari I also > have a MachineDrum > synced). And all the settings and patch changes > happen from the > Gordius where I got a setlist going. And when I > scroll through the > songs after I release the button for a second even > the songs in > Ableton get loaded automatically with MIDIStroke. > And whether the > EPDs should be synced to each other or to Ableton > all happen > automatically. All settings imaginable.. Also > automatic mutes of the > EPD and changes in the Live form are all automated. > It takes some > work to program but when it's all done it really > opened a new world > for me! > > Keep you posted! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jan 23 00:25:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6A63BF00; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?about__NAMM=2C_Ted's_powered_speakers_=3F?= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:25:16 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c85d56$6d9d38d0$6801a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C85D13.5F7C69D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchdVm1AaNUBvIi5TwC8vOW1FfwbEA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <6i0cr.A.cwB.tlolHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C85D13.5F7C69D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There I was, crouched in the jungle, low on ammo, VC crawling all around me, oops wrong Nam story, my apologies for the off color joke but I couldn't resist. No offense was meant to any veterans. It was great to see and schmooze many of the looping community who stopped by our booth at Looperlative. Visits from the Andre Lafosse, Chris Murphy, Matthias Grob, Jim Goodin, and Kim Flint, who showed me his photo of the empty booth where Electrix was supposed to be (!), to name a few. Namm began for me with an 8 am Friday morning breakfast gig put on by The Museum of Making music at the Hilton, I played lap steel for about 20 minutes and had a pretty groggy performance, luckily most everyone else was half asleep as well. My first demo at Looperlative on Friday afternoon coincided with a young guy looking like a Big Pink era Rick Danko, complete with porkpie hat, blazing away on a James Trussart aluminum Tele through a very loud London 65 amp, just across the aisle. But luckily the builder liked what I was doing, offered to let me play his guitars, and kept a lid on the volume for the most part. Such is the scenario when demoing at NAMM, and I felt lucky to be in the basement hall E which is mostly acoustic instruments , small companies, and start ups, and doesn't attract as many rockers intent on showing everyone just how fast they can play. I friend of mine referred to Hall E as the island of lost toys. I brought of few different instruments down including my Asher lap steel, and an amazing new lap steel from a local Santa Cruz builder called a Cruz tone, that has pedal steel like sustain, due to its wouod and aluminum construction. The rig I brought was a mesa formula pre-amp, TC electronics G-sharp, the Looperlative, a Keeley compressor, the Gordius Lilttle Giant foot controller, and a couple of expression pedals, and extra footswitches. I ran through Bob's Bose linear array system with two subs, and the sound was awesome, better than I expected considering the circumstances. I had several people compliment me on the sound and ask what I was using, and were kind of shocked to find out I was getting great clean and overdriven sounds out of this set up. I think the key was using the mesas recording outputs that have a speaker emulator which made the sound very warm without too much treble spikeyness. Also the Bose' s ability to throw the sound in a wider field gave my sound a more enveloping quality even under such noisy conditions.The Gordius performed flawlessly controlling the looperlative, and even though I'm still getting used to its layout, it is really and extraordinary midi/usb foot controller. Thanks to Xavier for accommodating us. And the looperlative's capabilities really had people stopping in there tracks to see where all of the sound was coming from. At one point I was demoing the scramble function with the feedback set low so that as I added new content the loop would not get over saturated. I just played melody as this constantly evolving bed of loop fragments percolated behind me. One guy kept looking at the pedal and then looking at me back and forth so I kept pointing to my rack to let him know what was generating the sound.. In fact, I had to explain on numerous occasions that the loops were not coming out of the foot pedal! People see you pushing buttons and figure that it's the box that's making all of that sound. We got a lot of people interested in not only the Looperlative but the Gordius footcontroller, needless to say. Highlights of the show gear-wise were the Eventide foot pedals, Rolf Spulers Paradis guitars, a Breedlove koa wood Weissenborn style lap guitar, playing a Trussart guitar with mini humbuckers that had great coupling sustain and feedback even through the Bose system. And of course the stuff at our booth! Also Friday night Matthias and I went to a hotel room to check out a bunch if high end acoustic guitars. I was particularly enamored of a small body guitar with fan frets and a Stella like yellow to black sunburst made by Bruce Sexauer. Also Matthias got to see some nice fireworks from the balcony of my hotel room. I got a chance to check out powered speakers somewhat and I don't think the Mackie SRM150's that you were inquiring about would be adequate for you, Ted. I'd check out the RCF speakers that are the same size as the SRM350's, but have better low frequency response and are lighter weight. The SRM150's seam like great monitors for a singer song writer , but not much more. The RCF's are made in italy by the same manufacturer who built mackies stuff before mackie moved to China. They are a bit more expensive but worth it I believe. OK that's enough blather. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C85D13.5F7C69D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There I was, crouched in the jungle, low on ammo, VC crawling all around me, oops wrong Nam story, my apologies = for the off color joke but I couldn’t resist. No offense was meant to any = veterans.

 It was great to see and schmooze many of the = looping community who stopped by our booth at Looperlative.  Visits from = the  Andre Lafosse,  Chris Murphy, Matthias Grob, Jim Goodin, and Kim Flint, = who showed me his photo of the empty booth where Electrix was supposed to be (!), =  to name a few.

Namm began for me with an 8 am Friday morning = breakfast gig put on by The Museum of Making music at the Hilton, I played lap steel =  for about 20 minutes and had a pretty groggy performance, luckily most = everyone else was half asleep as well. My first demo at Looperlative on Friday = afternoon coincided with a young guy looking like a Big Pink era Rick Danko, = complete with porkpie hat, blazing away on a James Trussart aluminum Tele through = a very loud London 65 amp, just across the aisle. But luckily the builder liked what I was = doing, offered to let me play his guitars, and kept a lid on the volume for the = most part.  Such is the scenario when demoing at NAMM, and I felt lucky = to be in the basement hall E which is mostly acoustic instruments , small companies, = and start ups, and doesn’t attract as many rockers intent on showing = everyone just how fast they can play. I friend of mine referred to Hall E as the = island of lost toys.  I brought of few different instruments down = including my Asher lap steel, and an  amazing new lap steel from a local Santa Cruz builder called a Cruz = tone, that has pedal steel like sustain, due to its wouod and aluminum = construction. The rig I brought was a mesa formula pre-amp, TC electronics G-sharp, the Looperlative, a Keeley compressor, the Gordius Lilttle Giant foot = controller, and a couple of expression pedals, and extra footswitches. I ran through = Bob’s Bose linear array system with two subs, and the sound was awesome, = better than I expected considering the circumstances.  I had several people = compliment me on the sound and ask what I was using, and were kind of shocked to find = out I was getting great clean and overdriven sounds out of this set up. I = think the key was using the mesas  recording outputs that have a speaker = emulator which made the sound very warm without too much treble spikeyness.  Also = the Bose’ s ability to throw the sound in a wider field gave my sound a more = enveloping quality even under such noisy conditions.The Gordius performed = flawlessly controlling the looperlative, and even though I’m still getting = used to its layout, it is really and extraordinary midi/usb foot controller. = Thanks to Xavier for accommodating us. And the looperlative’s capabilities = really had people stopping in there tracks to see where all of the sound was = coming from. At one point I was demoing the scramble function with the feedback set = low so that as I added new content the loop would not get over saturated. I = just played melody as this constantly evolving bed of loop fragments = percolated behind me. One guy kept looking at the pedal and then looking at me back = and forth so I kept pointing to my rack to let him know what was generating = the sound.. In fact, I had to explain on numerous occasions that the loops = were not coming out of the foot pedal! People see you pushing buttons and figure = that it’s the box that’s making all of that sound. We got a lot of people interested in not only the Looperlative but the Gordius footcontroller, = needless to say.

 Highlights of the show gear-wise were the = Eventide foot pedals,  Rolf Spulers Paradis guitars, a Breedlove koa wood = Weissenborn style lap guitar, playing a Trussart guitar with mini humbuckers that had = great coupling sustain and feedback even through the Bose system. And of = course the stuff at our booth!  Also Friday night Matthias and I went to a = hotel room to check out a bunch if high end acoustic guitars. I was particularly = enamored of a small body guitar with fan frets and a Stella like yellow to black = sunburst made by Bruce Sexauer. Also Matthias got to see some nice fireworks from = the balcony of my hotel room.

 I got a chance to check out powered speakers = somewhat and  I don’t think the Mackie SRM150’s that you were inquiring = about would be adequate for you, Ted. I’d check out the RCF speakers that are = the same size as the SRM350’s, but have better low frequency response = and are lighter weight. The SRM150’s seam like great monitors for a singer = song writer , but not much more. The RCF’s are made in = italy  by the same manufacturer = who built mackies stuff before mackie moved to China. They are a bit more expensive but worth it I believe.

 OK that’s enough = blather.

Bill

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