From judithjohnson06@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 01:21:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:21:40 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.148]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6837F3BEAC; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W2 ([65.54.250.102]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:16:35 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Judith Johnson Subject: DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:16:34 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 01:16:35.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0AEAF80:01C833B7] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE TRUTH AND THE= TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO DO W= HAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND IN THE SIG= HT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=20 I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR IN EG= YPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED FOR T= WENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL RIOT= S IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS IN = THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.=20 SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBAND WAS ALIVE = HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LONDON UKK AND N= OW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FORWARD TO RECE= IVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOMEBODY TO ECEI= VEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITION AT HAND. I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING T= REATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY TO TALK AND = MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.IT IS MY LAST= WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVERY YEAR DISTRI= BUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, AS SOON AS THE= MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE 60% WILL BE = FOR THE WORK OF GOD.I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALOT= OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE AND THE HOMELESS, = AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU RECEIVE. WITH GOD AL= L THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHALL GIVE YOU THE C= ONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DEPOSITED. 1YOUR NA= ME2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN3.PRESENT ADDRESS4.SEX5.DATE ! OF BIRTH 6.AGE 7.OCCUPA= TION 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER /CELL I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS= .JUDITH JOHNSONjudithjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk =20 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007= --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST,

 
IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE = TRUTH AND THE TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE= THAN TO DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE A= ND IN THE SIGHT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=
 

I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR I= N EGYPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED F= OR TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL = RIOTS IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS= IN THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.
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SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBA= ND WAS ALIVE HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LON= DON UKK AND NOW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FO= RWARD TO RECEIVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOM= EBODY TO ECEIVEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITI= ON AT HAND.

 
I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN= UNDERGOING TREATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY= TO TALK AND MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.= IT IS MY LAST WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVER= Y YEAR DISTRIBUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, A= S SOON AS THE MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE= 60% WILL BE FOR THE WORK OF GOD.
I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW TH= AT THERE ARE ALOT OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE A= ND THE HOMELESS, AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU REC= EIVE. WITH GOD ALL THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHA= LL GIVE YOU THE CONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DE= POSITED.
 
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2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
3.PRESENT ADDRES= S
4.SEX
5.DATE ! OF BIRTH
6.AGE
7.OCCUPATION
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I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.
YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS.JUDITH JOHNSON
judi= thjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk

 

Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windo= ws Live. Power up! = --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_-- From judithjohnson06@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 01:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECF33BEAC; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W13 ([65.54.250.113]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:19:20 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Judith Johnson Subject: DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:19:20 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 01:19:20.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[33324270:01C833B8] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE TRUTH AND THE= TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO DO W= HAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND IN THE SIG= HT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=20 I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR IN EG= YPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED FOR T= WENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL RIOT= S IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS IN = THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.=20 SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBAND WAS ALIVE = HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LONDON UKK AND N= OW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FORWARD TO RECE= IVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOMEBODY TO ECEI= VEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITION AT HAND. I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING T= REATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY TO TALK AND = MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.IT IS MY LAST= WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVERY YEAR DISTRI= BUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, AS SOON AS THE= MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE 60% WILL BE = FOR THE WORK OF GOD.I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALOT= OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE AND THE HOMELESS, = AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU RECEIVE. WITH GOD AL= L THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHALL GIVE YOU THE C= ONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DEPOSITED. 1YOUR NA= ME2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN3.PRESENT ADDRESS4.SEX5.DATE ! OF BIRTH 6.AGE 7.OCCUPA= TION 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER /CELL I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS= .JUDITH JOHNSONjudithjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk =20 _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120= 07= --_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST,

 
IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE = TRUTH AND THE TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE= THAN TO DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE A= ND IN THE SIGHT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=
 

I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR I= N EGYPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED F= OR TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL = RIOTS IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS= IN THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.
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SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBA= ND WAS ALIVE HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LON= DON UKK AND NOW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FO= RWARD TO RECEIVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOM= EBODY TO ECEIVEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITI= ON AT HAND.

 
I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN= UNDERGOING TREATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY= TO TALK AND MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.= IT IS MY LAST WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVER= Y YEAR DISTRIBUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, A= S SOON AS THE MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE= 60% WILL BE FOR THE WORK OF GOD.
I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW TH= AT THERE ARE ALOT OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE A= ND THE HOMELESS, AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU REC= EIVE. WITH GOD ALL THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHA= LL GIVE YOU THE CONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DE= POSITED.
 
1YOUR NAME
2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
3.PRESENT ADDRES= S
4.SEX
5.DATE ! OF BIRTH
6.AGE
7.OCCUPATION
8.TELEPHONE = NUMBER /CELL
 
I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 10:50:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4671F3BEB0; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=06dr3M75ykHzNbggIoyjMxem4FiAvHLjr+soY+ac9VkvozrECbiDSd0D0DgKqHNeBmplNVgiKdd3ajFxoAHaolqOVcMfpXHRF/EMub74aBqHKqbMtpccF7Afh8DwvmQjU7Xd+nc/dWtecqr3rl7ywREMwDFjcoX24pscXHQvBNw=; X-YMail-OSG: E27sd2wVM1ly5XoDDADS.oqLnV.uYvdYhjroWQv0GfCCQMQgslgnF_9AqqbqueH8pyTc7bDz_cBfqKQajp3MdQurOJwKvacI5WeOC4dPtsV5tCU5nbU- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FC-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:50:38 +0000 (UTC) wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do thanx for the tip! Luis --- Mech wrote: > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the > FCB1010 was too > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > supplier told me that a > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year > due to hardware > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland > FC-300 > > > >First impression: > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary => > piano sustain can > >be programmed :) > >+ good positioning of all pedals > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary > of many of its > good points. Although you will probably need the > manual to look up > many of its more subtle functions. > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > possible to store > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > This is not correct at all. > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex > Mode, unless > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > unless you want to > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never > even bother with > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is > where you want to > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > messages to any MIDI > channel, programmable per pedal. > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > MAJOR complaint I > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've > got one an FCB > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on > the FCB could only > ever be set to a single channel. So, for instance, > you couldn't > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches > and use that > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff > on a synth > module. > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with > several different > patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to > control SIX > different parameters simultaneously. These can each > be on different > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only scale > the control range > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > parameter 2 only has > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the > ranges of > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > 127, while 2 has a > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > crossfade between > sounds/effects, for instance). > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > volume swells for the > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could > have easily done > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > convenience of > staying in one Mode during the performance). The > left expression > pedal controlled a variety of different functions, > depending upon > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume > of specific > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the > VG; Speed of the > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on > the LP-1; etc., > etc., etc. > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every > patch (Rec/Dub, > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but > I could have > programmed those for independent functions per > patch. Likewise, I > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > dedicated those to > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > Looperlative. The > individual patches cycled through a variety of > functions too numerous > to name here. > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it in > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > Again, not correct. > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > messages to multiple > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press. > In addition, you > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release. > The pedal > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to > fire off on either > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you > can turn it into > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). Or > they can be delayed > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release > messages are > fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages > are sent. This > latter function might be good, for instance, for > setting up a series > of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is > pressed, at > which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent > before the new > chord's Note On's arrive). > > Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at > first, this thing will > in fact practically mow the lawn. It does > everything except for > "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as > well as NRPN stuff; > you just can't program in an entire Hex String from > scratch). That's > something that I actually use pretty rarely these > days anyway. > > I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is > no longer being > manufactured of course. That's how good it is. And > at a price of > only about $300, it's less costly than many of the > other "full > featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today > (Ground Control Pro, > etc.). > > Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the > FC-300. I'm > confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most, > if not all, of > your misgivings will quickly evaporate. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 11:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4054C3BEB3; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vHWD91cSOGFvkEeXAKEBpaC/BxclpZiroFvRFtF0/t8=; b=RVqurkwnDYx69lHbdwLUO6xaSoaWQDEnnsXl/Hr9it7jqR/0hlsMsWHBaJRNLQQbth5MSiqGdGAS+FPcGYrkak1h/kOUYHGxWpVlttgMVU23gI0nlgmHe99f3yLY+J0T+IIqdDzAcRUp2lkyKyrWUt0qwuohKOYRseyYIexITXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gxeVdjPE3s8yNjvnRLwFniwV1v1m6gdyg9XqDFQ9sqyZdzZikQtr2K7Wx4xA1GfpH15KehkAi0AmO75WU+3KPDL5z+MYyFPJMZj8PVMQnt3UPkvEkmbbMbOHE4DVXl8twfonLz8J4SAaJ/sWho1AlHcUxa7fWEYjR0ukVUSq6ro= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:59:29 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 In-Reply-To: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074" References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <09hG3B.A.FcG.iyUUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:59:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi luis and all, does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm raul. 2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo : > > wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very > powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance > not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this > with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led > screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do > thanx for the tip! > Luis > > > --- Mech wrote: > > > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the > > FCB1010 was too > > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > > supplier told me that a > > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year > > due to hardware > > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland > > FC-300 > > > > > >First impression: > > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary => > > piano sustain can > > >be programmed :) > > >+ good positioning of all pedals > > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage > > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary > > of many of its > > good points. Although you will probably need the > > manual to look up > > many of its more subtle functions. > > > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > > possible to store > > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > > > This is not correct at all. > > > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex > > Mode, unless > > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > > unless you want to > > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never > > even bother with > > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is > > where you want to > > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > > messages to any MIDI > > channel, programmable per pedal. > > > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > > MAJOR complaint I > > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've > > got one an FCB > > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on > > the FCB could only > > ever be set to a single channel. So, for instance, > > you couldn't > > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches > > and use that > > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff > > on a synth > > module. > > > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with > > several different > > patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to > > control SIX > > different parameters simultaneously. These can each > > be on different > > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only scale > > the control range > > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > > parameter 2 only has > > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the > > ranges of > > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > > 127, while 2 has a > > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > > crossfade between > > sounds/effects, for instance). > > > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > > volume swells for the > > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could > > have easily done > > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > > convenience of > > staying in one Mode during the performance). The > > left expression > > pedal controlled a variety of different functions, > > depending upon > > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume > > of specific > > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the > > VG; Speed of the > > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on > > the LP-1; etc., > > etc., etc. > > > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every > > patch (Rec/Dub, > > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but > > I could have > > programmed those for independent functions per > > patch. Likewise, I > > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > > dedicated those to > > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > > Looperlative. The > > individual patches cycled through a variety of > > functions too numerous > > to name here. > > > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it in > > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > > > Again, not correct. > > > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > > messages to multiple > > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press. > > In addition, you > > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release. > > The pedal > > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to > > fire off on either > > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you > > can turn it into > > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). Or > > they can be delayed > > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release > > messages are > > fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages > > are sent. This > > latter function might be good, for instance, for > > setting up a series > > of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is > > pressed, at > > which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent > > before the new > > chord's Note On's arrive). > > > > Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at > > first, this thing will > > in fact practically mow the lawn. It does > > everything except for > > "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as > > well as NRPN stuff; > > you just can't program in an entire Hex String from > > scratch). That's > > something that I actually use pretty rarely these > > days anyway. > > > > I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is > > no longer being > > manufactured of course. That's how good it is. And > > at a price of > > only about $300, it's less costly than many of the > > other "full > > featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today > > (Ground Control Pro, > > etc.). > > > > Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the > > FC-300. I'm > > confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most, > > if not all, of > > your misgivings will quickly evaporate. > > > > --m. > > -- > > _____ > > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi luis and all,

does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers?
its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming
data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought.

http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm

raul.

2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo < labaloops@yahoo.com>:
wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very
powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance
not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this
with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led
screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do
thanx for the tip!
Luis


--- Mech < mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote:
> >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the
> FCB1010 was too
> >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my
> supplier told me that a
> >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year
> due to hardware
> >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland
> FC-300
> >
> >First impression:
> >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary =>
> piano sustain can
> >be programmed :)
> >+ good positioning of all pedals
> >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage
> >+ easy to progam, no manual needed
> >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200
>
> I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary
> of many of its
> good points.  Although you will probably need the
> manual to look up
> many of its more subtle functions.
>
> >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not
> possible to store
> >different midi channel's with a pedal setting
>
> This is not correct at all.
>
> Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex
> Mode, unless
> you've got a VG-99).  Those modes are worthless
> unless you want to
> dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never
> even bother with
> them at all.  The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is
> where you want to
> be.  In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI
> messages to any MIDI
> channel, programmable per pedal.
>
> In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the
> MAJOR complaint I
> always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've
> got one an FCB
> too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on
> the FCB could only
> ever be set to a single channel.  So, for instance,
> you couldn't
> control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches
> and use that
> same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff
> on a synth
> module.
>
> Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with
> several different
> patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to
> control SIX
> different parameters simultaneously.  These can each
> be on different
> MIDI channels if you like.  You can not only scale
> the control range
> (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while
> parameter 2 only has
> a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the
> ranges of
> individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 -
> 127, while 2 has a
> range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little
> crossfade between
> sounds/effects, for instance).
>
> At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the
> volume swells for the
> VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could
> have easily done
> it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the
> convenience of
> staying in one Mode during the performance).  The
> left expression
> pedal controlled a variety of different functions,
> depending upon
> patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume
> of specific
> tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the
> VG; Speed of the
> Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on
> the LP-1; etc.,
> etc., etc.
>
> I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every
> patch (Rec/Dub,
> and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but
> I could have
> programmed those for independent functions per
> patch.  Likewise, I
> attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and
> dedicated those to
> Previous Track and Next Track functions on the
> Looperlative.  The
> individual patches cycled through a variety of
> functions too numerous
> to name here.
>
> You imagine it, and you can probably program it in
> Patch Mode on the FC-300.
>
> >- only 1 control message per pedal
>
> Again, not correct.
>
> In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple
> messages to multiple
> channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press.
> In addition, you
> can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release.
> The pedal
> release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to
> fire off on either
> physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you
> can turn it into
> a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.).  Or
> they can be delayed
> until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release
> messages are
> fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages
> are sent.  This
> latter function might be good, for instance, for
> setting up a series
> of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is
> pressed, at
> which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent
> before the new
> chord's Note On's arrive).
>
> Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at
> first, this thing will
> in fact practically mow the lawn.  It does
> everything except for
> "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as
> well as NRPN stuff;
> you just can't program in an entire Hex String from
> scratch).  That's
> something that I actually use pretty rarely these
> days anyway.
>
> I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is
> no longer being
> manufactured of course.  That's how good it is.  And
> at a price of
> only about $300, it's less costly than many of the
> other "full
> featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today
> (Ground Control Pro,
> etc.).
>
> Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the
> FC-300.  I'm
> confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most,
> if not all, of
> your misgivings will quickly evaporate.
>
>       --m.
> --
> _____
> "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."
>
>


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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 12:16:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8928B3BEC5; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ktNEUqmfm1Q5qe7BR8yimSdBqQLOn2SZv6edcQeR2yE=; b=DKMgTKPHMTKUnoewUOKZlsHUf8MNAJCKoNutrjyzlxkzXscl2KNf9lulpJeDttQ4Vj92EORlpdYVZw1LuJE9Q2aWbQBRmz4fHD1wJRf3YUEcQAHkQgcoHLIum78I+Ok+vAIRLwgmyLEXWNqNLHygyHqpXYlTCK9v2lJQQTb+oXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KusaH9yFUtoe4UBl3sN38Xafd0s8bwN1GpVcg8Tqy671rz4FQdvXa+jsJ8HeUMrEDpDgGcJSckBcfqgpXXbE4UFBNLCFLnLMJCp/yoPs0ydbTRPqZrC7FCyC5RqrvM6t2mSJOCPWvsk7XyWbCUN/cRI/9KQt8Q3VF0FWqNZ5GCo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:16:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:16:14 +0000 (UTC) On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming > data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > raul. The manual is here: http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 12:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DCC63BEB9; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dPJvflyNf0018wqQHZmyFhbrDEVDN2eIcNdnk1ap6R8=; b=WEU5aFVdJ4RDWn2q/9qFq2HYOsji7qIE9neB0I9EmJ1BQweedF7WePuYbD/d56tkvSF/AyjQfE0y68Ul7u5Ynj+RJMx3A7HjqtAiWBECFuljIDPbcJNsuIGPRsx2GQtlZ/ARCb8mqhS92+ArI5lZXm2DrrKoivuOu4kD93FntoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZMkGj1AsSp6bwJsnhOZVXbREm6+8/TwPJz8GNKt6o19B/CvwlBvtbE4ZwHqBvcOBhhOlEjY+F1tsp+PPpauebsseFPskDTsU9et5CbDJFzmTnW0OmqdTim7ejq3CaVmUEc1L276TqHMMqg9xu0gW7OraNmjhUiaP/+YPUfedoLE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:35:10 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151" References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:35:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers of any kind.. same as this behringer, http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades and quick tweakings with midi learn function.. ... or this beauty ... http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/ I find small gear amusing and... cheaper! Thanks for the info Per, raul. 2007/12/1, Per Boysen : > > On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > > its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming > > data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. > > > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > > > raul. > > > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf > > From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect > which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI > specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of > these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information > given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to > hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And > of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers
of any kind..  same as this behringer,

http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng

which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades
 and quick tweakings with midi learn function..

... or this beauty ...

http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/

I find small gear amusing and... cheaper!

Thanks for the info Per,
raul.

2007/12/1, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote:

> does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers?
> its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming
> data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought.
>
> http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm
>
> raul.


The manual is here:
http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf

From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect
which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI
specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of
these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information
given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to
hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And
of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 15:52:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A568B3BEC1; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3841 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:52:57 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rick williamson Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:52:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) > >> does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf > Copied from page three of the manual: "NOTE : The Control X is NOT a MIDI device and is to be used only with DigiTech GENETX TM processors." Rick Williamson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 16:24:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54EED3BEB2; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:24:18 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Help 2 - effect search To: Message-id: <000a01c83436$a01ea3a0$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <16zWOC.A.xdE.pqYUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your suggestions. I have yet to check some of them = out. Sorry for my slow response to them, as I'm only online to this account = once a week. Further clarifications: 1 - Footpedal is a must - I'm looking for alternatives to current = rack-gear. 2 - It will probably be a delay-based unit with an ability to modulate = the delayed signal, letting pass through a dry signal too Previous suggestions: - Space Station - does not provide this (I have 2) - PS 3 / 5 - I don't think they do this (though it's been a while since = I used either - I'll have to look into them more) - Digitech PDS 8000 - does not provide this (I have 1) - Line6 DL4 - after all these years, I still have never tried one of = these - Now I have an excuse! :-) - Memory Man Deluxe - again, I've never tried one. The only EH effect = I've owned was HotTubes back in the 80's. I need to check this out. - Eventide Time Factor - Oh Wow!!! I know I want to try one of these! Thanks for the tip Mr. Walker! - Digitech RP2000 / GNX boxes - a bit bigger than I am hoping for, but clearly they do quite a bit more, too! :-) I appreciate everyone's help with this!! Does anyone else have some = ideas? David > > On Nov 26, 2007 1:25 AM, David Kirkdorffer = wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with = a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > David ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you all for your suggestions.  I have yet to check some = of them=20 out.
Sorry for my slow response to them, as I'm only online to this = account=20 once
a week.

Further clarifications:

1 - =  Footpedal is a=20 must - I'm looking for alternatives to current rack-gear.
2 - =  It will=20 probably be a delay-based unit with an ability to modulate = the
delayed=20 signal, letting pass through a dry signal too

Previous=20 suggestions:
- Space Station - does not provide this (I have 2)
- PS 3 / 5 - I don't think they do this (though it's been a while = since=20 I
used either - I'll have to look into them more)
- Digitech PDS 8000 - does not provide this (I have 1)
- Line6 DL4 - after all these years, I still have never tried one = of these=20 -
Now I have an excuse! :-)
- Memory Man Deluxe - again, I've never tried one.  The only = EH effect=20 I've
owned was  HotTubes back in the 80's. I need to check this=20 out.
- Eventide Time Factor - Oh Wow!!!  I know I want to try one = of=20 these!
Thanks for the tip Mr. Walker!
- Digitech RP2000 / GNX boxes - a bit bigger than I am hoping for,=20 but
clearly they do quite a bit more, too! :-)

I appreciate = everyone's=20 help with this!!  Does anyone else have some = ideas?

David

 

>
> On Nov 26, 2007 1:25 AM, David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> = wrote:
>=20 > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay=20 footpedal
that
> > can also bend pitch at the same = time.  That=20 is, as the slaps happen,
their
> > picti is being altered up = and=20 down a little... as would happen with a
> > chorus.  I = need at=20 least 500ms of delay.
> >
> >
> > Many=20 thanks!
> >
> > David
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 16:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBC43BEB8; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:31:20 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? To: Cc: Message-id: <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam -=20 I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim = and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking. I = had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a = stereo pair. They would not synch-up. I learned about the crystal = issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well. I hope that helps somehow. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking = about switching to Mobius or another software looper. My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim = EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves = the start point of the second loop... and everything is off. Forget = workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my = gibson echoplex before I ruined it). So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any = thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer on = the archives but I couldn't find anything. Uhg, Adam -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See = how. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adam -
 
I believe the problem you are having is = caused by=20 the fact the Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different = crystals for=20 clocking.  I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit = from Gibson=20 to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up.  I learned about = the=20 crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up=20 well.
 
I hope that helps somehow.
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Adam Hart=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, = 2007 1:33=20 PM
Subject: Burned by Oberheim = EDP...=20 switching to Mobius?

I've=20 been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about=20 switching to Mobius or another software looper.

My Gibson EDP = tweaked=20 out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP.  Big = mistake. =20 When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point = of the=20 second loop... and everything is off.  Forget workarounds - I = WANT=20 SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex = before I=20 ruined it).

So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for=20 Mobius.  Any thoughts on how much RAM I need?  I tried = searching for=20 the answer on the archives but I couldn't find=20 anything.


Uhg,

Adam

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See=20 how. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 17:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461B03BEB2; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c83440$9701d490$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:35:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+U2LC+XuVu4jV9aQw3rpszFLpOWcdFTcgZJpJ mlFMr5RfJl26G6rqj176FfQCwmvsiZfymLwEBf4W8rm63QD1VJ q8mJo4tgvzznddOKm2m3XflHlOztLS8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable honestly, this box is not very small... http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=3Deng=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
honestly, this box is not very=20 small...
http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=3Deng=20
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but's very cheap... under 30 euros.


2007/12/1, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com>:
honestly, this box is not very small...



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Hi -
 
I plan to update the music on my = myspace page - http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c=20 soon.
 
So, if you anything there, please grap = the current=20 tracks as they may never resurface again!
 
Mery merry!
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C83495.BF6B2260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 09:50:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B823BED5; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:50:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: undo - switching tracks on myspace To: Message-id: <001301c834c0$58f251e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=20 I plan to update the music on my myspace page - = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic soon. So, if you anything there you like, please grab the current tracks as = they may never resurface again! Merry Merry! David ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi -
 
I plan to update the music on my = myspace page - http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c=20 soon.
So, if you anything there you like, = please grab the=20 current tracks as they may never resurface again!
 
Merry Merry!
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 14:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3723BECA; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:11:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #557 for November 29, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4752BCF5.60106@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:14:27 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071129.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #557 November 29, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Infinity Room" on Groove Unlimited Records. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Radio Massacre International Interview Radio Massacre 200 Mushrooms -- Lost In Space (Northern Echo) International Synth.nl Lift AeroDynamics (Groove) Arcane Hymn Pulse (none) Klaus Schulze The Art of Dosburg Online (Revisited) Sequencing * 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Tick Tock The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis The Realms of the The Infinity Room (Groove) Unreal Paul Ellis Forever Endeavor The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis Flesh and Blood The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis The Unveiling The Infinity Room (Groove) Moment Paul Ellis MirrororriM The Infinity Room (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Folding Space and Melting Galaxies" on Space for Music Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From nobody@server.lazeeez.com Sun Dec 2 16:42:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12022 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:42:37 UTC Received: from server.lazeeez.com (D047AECC.ptr.provps.com [208.71.174.204]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBFE3BEB6 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nobody by server.lazeeez.com with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyokY-0001uT-H2 for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:20:46 -0800 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re-activate Your Online Banking Access From: TCF Bank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: TCF Bank Message-ID: <7d014cb480e1de85b406e4b99a1a0641@> X-Priority: 1 X-MSmail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:20:46 -0800 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.lazeeez.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server.lazeeez.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 16:57:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46EF63BEC1; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 411 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:57:22 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HoJyZG7Fr/hGYyWXh+Es9bXugJI87aDjGpUHTaexE6U=; b=Mm+AzCwZ2sxNd32T8vWMZ3tAd8rge6ksG+0Sj+iIhMkR2qBgYGsI5Oy0kBm9HmAMcqkj60NLjyZnNI/4H1osxECWaEPegQ866+2u1SLLwJjj3/s2OIQE1UaXSi135q+DuqaKnPRrAS96IRL527yrPcuyIhlE8Mvb6jPSC+98X0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b34ATjTzWtsja5d4v7aMFPGaQT9HRS9FNf9ZAmSV13ei/WwfCYzRQYPvCX9+U0Ovi3ScvEiyiO8aIaU876SBFupVMnCYdJPps5J7QnauvclqXr8oucZ8J8jD67ffFvvjVe6qPm87wtWtiocI/USNMI+qF0VTJMMKQmAOdBPJPYw= Message-ID: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:50:27 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? In-Reply-To: <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507" References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <8_TmcC.A.-MD.yPuUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:57:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs? On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Adam - > > I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim > and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking. I had > an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a stereo > pair. They would not synch-up. I learned about the crystal issue, got a > second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well. > > I hope that helps somehow. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Adam Hart > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? > > I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about > switching to Mobius or another software looper. > > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP. > Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start > point of the second loop... and everything is off. Forget workarounds - I > WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex > before I ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any thoughts on > how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I > couldn't find anything. > > > Uhg, > > Adam > > ------------------------------ > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. > > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs?

On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
Adam -
 
I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking.  I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up.  I learned about the crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well.
 
I hope that helps somehow.
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Hart
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius?

I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper.

My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP.  Big mistake.  When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off.  Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it).

So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius.  Any thoughts on how much RAM I need?  I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything.


Uhg,

Adam

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.



--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:07:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652673BEB2; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jfuh3DRip8fIur3Xov3idUt7KWtbWqSSfZH0ScolDyJ5QD1DePH8HeIAWNp7plI7VQhggMGER/MGCAkc+ggHGTxxRKBc22TcaAAnkVjLRGWqYE4ag1rUSvOMERY3r8KQPpdATMGizlHwh5lT7KIDIfg98yYRr1dvtj4nC6lj3+g=; X-YMail-OSG: PIQYSggVM1miF7gE95oD2NrN0zbckmXuSBfD9BQYplfwdAB7IiyICZZ9ZgNUo62hBIXuQ.yl9dHD6.lNFJfK8rToikf6UXSfE3d36y21uolTZH05d5Y- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FC-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <443294.64833.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) looks like another average FC,and with no MIDI info is kind of suspect... offcourse it depends what you want to control with it. Luis --- Raul Bonell wrote: > hi luis and all, > > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us > loopers? > its price is under 100... possibly max could > understand all incoming > data and convert it conveniently. just quick > thought. > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > raul. > > 2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo : > > > > wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC > very > > powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap > dance > > not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do > this > > with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a > led > > screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can > do > > thanx for the tip! > > Luis > > > > > > --- Mech wrote: > > > > > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > > > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that > the > > > FCB1010 was too > > > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > > > supplier told me that a > > > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a > year > > > due to hardware > > > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the > Roland > > > FC-300 > > > > > > > >First impression: > > > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary > => > > > piano sustain can > > > >be programmed :) > > > >+ good positioning of all pedals > > > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on > stage > > > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > > > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > > > > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine > summary > > > of many of its > > > good points. Although you will probably need > the > > > manual to look up > > > many of its more subtle functions. > > > > > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > > > possible to store > > > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > > > > > This is not correct at all. > > > > > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as > Sysex > > > Mode, unless > > > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > > > unless you want to > > > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I > never > > > even bother with > > > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- > is > > > where you want to > > > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > > > messages to any MIDI > > > channel, programmable per pedal. > > > > > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > > > MAJOR complaint I > > > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though > I've > > > got one an FCB > > > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) > on > > > the FCB could only > > > ever be set to a single channel. So, for > instance, > > > you couldn't > > > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch > patches > > > and use that > > > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter > Cutoff > > > on a synth > > > module. > > > > > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it > with > > > several different > > > patches), but you can actually use a single > pedal to > > > control SIX > > > different parameters simultaneously. These can > each > > > be on different > > > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only > scale > > > the control range > > > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > > > parameter 2 only has > > > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse > the > > > ranges of > > > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > > > 127, while 2 has a > > > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > > > crossfade between > > > sounds/effects, for instance). > > > > > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > > > volume swells for the > > > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I > could > > > have easily done > > > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > > > convenience of > > > staying in one Mode during the performance). > The > > > left expression > > > pedal controlled a variety of different > functions, > > > depending upon > > > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; > Volume > > > of specific > > > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into > the > > > VG; Speed of the > > > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed > on > > > the LP-1; etc., > > > etc., etc. > > > > > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on > every > > > patch (Rec/Dub, > > > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, > but > > > I could have > > > programmed those for independent functions per > > > patch. Likewise, I > > > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > > > dedicated those to > > > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > > > Looperlative. The > > > individual patches cycled through a variety of > > > functions too numerous > > > to name here. > > > > > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it > in > > > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > > > > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > > > > > Again, not correct. > > > > > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > > > messages to multiple > > > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal > press. > > > In addition, you > > > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal > release. > > > The pedal > > > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) > to > > > fire off on either > > > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so > you > > > can turn it into > > > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). > Or > > > they can be delayed > > > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the > release > > > messages are > > > fired off just prior to the next pedal's > messages > > > are sent. This > > > latter function might be good, for instance, for > > > setting up a series > > > of chords that sound until the next "chord" > pedal is > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:32:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588C73BED2; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 653852737-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.233.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HADB6UkdPSum1/2dsb2JhbACCJgSkEg Message-ID: <4752EC38.2010000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:32:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that would solve it. The only difference between the old crystals and the new ones is that the new ones are more accurate as to frequency. andy butler ps don't anyone get confused with the chips that have "crystal" written on them, that's not the right component Mikkoz wrote: > Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two > EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there > compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs? > > On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > Adam - > > I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the > Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for > clocking. I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from > Gibson to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up. I learned > about the crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs > lock up well. > > I hope that helps somehow. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Adam Hart > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? > > I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am > thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper. > > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an > Oberheim EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer > the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and > everything is off. Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT > WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I > ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any > thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the > answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything. > > > Uhg, > > Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! > Mail. See how. > > > > > > -- > Miko Biffle > Biffoz@Gmail.com > MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:48:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BED3D3BEAC; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 636644736-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.233.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKd+UkdPSum1/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOcZUb Message-ID: <4752EFFB.7070807@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:48:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Luis References: <490345.24694.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <490345.24694.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:48:47 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis, that's exactly the kind of device I had in mind. I have one by Philip Rees which does the same job, ...or would if I could find it. I can't guarantee it'll make a big difference, I haven't tried it, and anyway my edps haven't de-synced for quite a while now using the normal system. (if they go bad again, I'll be able to test) ...but the edp processes audio in small blocks, and starting both edps at the exact same time hopefully synchronises the block boundaries. Incidently, My technique for re-syncing( which can be done quite quickly) is to change the Slave EDP to sync=In, remove the bro-sync cable, and do Mute-Multiply on the slave. In some circumstances, that saves the piece (but of course, they de-sync again when you overdub) Andre Lafosse has some sort of Midi Router box, so he can switch one midi source to different combinations of edps. (that might be even better, as you could use it to control edps together or independently. andy L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Andy, > so you think something like this would work to make > the 2 EDPs sync better? > > http://www.thomann.de/de/midi_solutions_thru.htm > > i tried puting a different source# on the second EDP > to play with them unsynced which works just fine and > man lots of new fun!but it would still be nice to have > a screen on the foot controller to know which edp is > being controlled,i do loose it every once in a > while,are you also doing the unsynced dance with your > new gordius? > cheers > Luis > >> also I had an idea to improve the sync which you >> might >> like to try instead. >> I didn't get to try it yet. >> Use a midi splitter to connect the fcb to the 2 edps >> instead of chaining them. >> >> Don't know, but that may help the de-syncing. >> ( because then each edp gets exactly the same signal >> at exactly the same time ) >> andy >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 18:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA3C53BEB8; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1XzwO7ucBdFqg7jAVUlEfLabrEZDyq+upxuDf3ThJfOBM4xA9ksIzHCGJWXGdhzZHonnm2vAB+u8afePqDZz16rhX4mC5aaysKzpcnNF+y//ys61pW7dSrG7PrM9472YQcKe5OdJ96S1mOue+mYB4epXEFSdPI3v7dYfmUeUbnM=; X-YMail-OSG: liH0zIkVM1nZlyiEAinK6dHqPCFSfmpvuJt_N8pHRieWsZ.QaLNs2mMp8uT7rty138Hc5pOI0glvbMH1hmrg.vwhVsUFY0Z3YJ1xbnY5U53u8UH9BhHWVql0n_0WaA-- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Line 6 and Bogner Amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9JQSxB.A.R1H.hdvUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:20:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: I thought I'd ask this august group what they think of the design collaboration between Line 6 and Bogner. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the Spider Valve amps (as I just sold mine). From what I heard on Line6's website, this amp looks very impressive. The price point of the single speaker 40 W version isn't bad ($699.99) for a tube amp. Plus, it has the added Line 6 pre-amp and effects (and cool-looking purple & gold lights!). I primarily play and record at home so this amp seems like a good fit. I've had several amps that had a "tube" for warming purposes, etc. and would like to get a tube amp. Regards from the South, Paul --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, all:
 
I thought I'd ask this august group what they think of the design collaboration between Line 6 and Bogner. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the Spider Valve amps (as I just sold mine). From what I heard on Line6's website, this amp looks very impressive. The price point of the single speaker 40 W version isn't bad ($699.99) for a tube amp. Plus, it has the added Line 6 pre-amp and effects (and cool-looking purple & gold lights!). I primarily play and record at home so this amp seems like a good fit. I've had several amps that had a "tube" for warming purposes, etc. and would like to get a tube amp.
 
Regards from the South,
 
Paul

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Try it now. --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 19:33:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5175C3BEC1; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Cool mixer for sale in Austria Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:33:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey gang I was sniffing around the old Mackie D8B forum and saw a beautiful D8B and what looks like an Argosy setup for it. I bet it's cheap and I can tell you these old boards are remarkable. http://forums.mackie.com/scripts/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic; f=1;t=009529 I used mine to mix my daughter's (Canadian) hit record... and now she's just signed in the UK and soon in the US. Her first single was stuck in the top ten for like 24 weeks and now the second single's climbing the chart. Third single comes out in Feb and we're hoping for all three to be on the chart! The record has also been submitted for a Juno (canadian grammy) for Best Engineered Album of the year. These are very good digital mixers. They SOUND good. I don't get anything out of this recommendation. Just thought someone might be interested. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang I was sniffing around the old Mackie D8B forum and saw a beautiful D8B and what looks like an Argosy setup for it. I bet it's cheap and I can tell you these old boards are remarkable. http://forums.mackie.com/scripts/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009529 I used mine to mix my daughter's (Canadian) hit record... and now she's just signed in the UK and soon in the US. Her first single was stuck in the top ten for like 24 weeks and now the second single's climbing the chart. Third single comes out in Feb and we're hoping for all three to be on the chart! The record has also been submitted for a Juno (canadian grammy) for Best Engineered Album of the year. These are very good digital mixers. They SOUND good. I don't get anything out of this recommendation. Just thought someone might be interested. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9--726548310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 21:20:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FC33BEB9; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SW+j6pbjuSDtjgN4zhAuMQ+YQpnpYDASvcspTOqYLuY=; b=x2T9obuQoQW7x7VhK8ySw0TVOSVTIzHARODNgyVJWjCpaNJ/Jvw03IHMJe+42uaVMpKJAmGNtN8v5qztBBfqPA1ceKdWADXespc7oyUAlSF5ojo/95s5QEaMG/5cKmhGPuKvh+50hqrBDhOZTwDJKLcT8ALpeuWPRAwDRsM4/ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Fp3fh6Y9ujP6EWFFPtGzxXO5cmWNFKygq+kWBO6pacE5XJH3KR2+J0ILPwcvse3VrQeuX9LBUIKDasO5LxMj5VJACAVR89fDRzi1hm34Ijvq06LQlGIi/nZsggZ5P/QHAANF1pzds9RsEBafEWBAjvqq1X1BqAshiNoBRmqENfA= Message-ID: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:20:08 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: An interesting album made with Tenori-on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4rfIHB.A.A-.MGyUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days Microsleep", made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. The album can be downloaded from http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ (cf. http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/service/070_news_events/20071113_tenori_on_MusicLive/index.html) It seems Tenori-on is more than just a nice toy (my first impression). Michal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 21:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBFA3BEC5; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ymBIcYkUWp3pxj8kqZF/w4NW3Pdu35r7BIhpXfpNCOw=; b=Zx6RaUCCKTR3+XV1CUolC1WRCryL9uaYMUECMo5LzZ/y4HaMgmxgfRObBp8LnZ4CYAH+IcGXLCHmzF8fsi0bAKFvTHm7clL53DK8eLxge0HRh4iVIKp0RSlUdwHG6MvnmmwE1Y6707mOXStzXidMQoosrN4tKofEGsVhxsyk+Nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nbN/R8ses8JZ1bvIG/dYOWUSDGKAXHdBm06b+G+PHRA2V4QlMdphx1elPf3c3fBkkbBjuxU1A4DBRfj2LKmh2J6Tr1fy8FPfcvzUXY1cZAPwEZ3YDF5WQ5o/FVlUTl1gm2MADFqToI7yrFLAQOIN7jPPylK9DYCwvIjCm2j/UAQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> References: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:48:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) On 2 dec 2007, at 22.20, Micha=C5=82 Wiernowolski wrote: > Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days Microsleep", > made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. > The album can be downloaded from > http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ Listening now and... wow - this is awesome music! _Thanks you for =20 hinting! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 00:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E173BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sK1i3NFhuyxytEl9k5+93BviuURFeuZL3d0LBY6qw8AqEs241N6tjQBmskVUDRSSy4vkCb+N0mBJO22PFSEE7pwQxZf2j9hZqnh4tXvaEPG7EFv/S2rUetGwMB4alEO9TTY51kFl95t+a5hA69ZsEC8WNR11IQxU44XpWOCigpM=; X-YMail-OSG: XDwJjZcVM1kVioufsZOBpEpehM97MWiwDNITLE64Z6usykdkbv3W5V7SopcUkNESR5i75kwIY8VAY3k5auNiOnE8s4b7rygU_n7MOFafteIXuy2f_rDajN8KVNej4A-- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: reverb "rooms" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE cylindrical acoustic chamber. Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when yelling from the front to the back. There again is a natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused except for storage, there are all sorts of natural acoustic treatments to be toyed with. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 01:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373D83BEB6; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6Pr6xFSLri5QZ6h6CqMabBdnzGUvcKB4braXsnj5S2468EIZDeyOXKy/9AlePY/8GntqWlSMF7eudVoOeMxpOZ+VtkqNItEYkQK2Ks6DHDDFkJCbKlmHltbb909BeycxSVh9ouLK5M2BrsyfDeSuejLFBuorUzxWEqDrdsHiXzs=; X-YMail-OSG: qQEIVYUVM1mdYWuYdSUkW2MbpcIn6iYjbKo6Jn57PHHSsdXqXrXmJbCg8Ks7LJYZt03.B9HcymDqzoEcwWIEAkKTJXLs4rlNpY5KcgwtM8.HwwmeCa4- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1996049537-1196647088=:36696" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <968655.36696.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:58:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1996049537-1196647088=:36696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long. Stand at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec. I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, too. ted. bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE cylindrical acoustic chamber. Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when yelling from the front to the back. There again is a natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused except for storage, there are all sorts of natural acoustic treatments to be toyed with. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. 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There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long.  Stand at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec.

I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, too.


ted.



bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy,

Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos
for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were
empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never
timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter
and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the
farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put
different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment
with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round
plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted
to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb
lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate
will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to
be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE
cylindrical acoustic chamber.

Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I
was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when
yelling from the front to the back. There again is a
natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to
try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back
wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb
thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work,
no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused
except for storage, there are all sorts of natural
acoustic treatments to be toyed with.
Rig




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Try it now. --0-986506295-1196674229=:32462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 10:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F1F3BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4753D6C7.9090104@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:13:27 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" References: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter > and 50 feet high... Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or something having huge tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, made in metal, looked like polished cobber. > ...I will build a round > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted > to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to > be interesting... Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird shapes with motorized panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different speakers and mics in various placements.. You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I guess it can have it's merits being a country boy ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:00:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9555F3BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4ki9HppVXDJy6/eXN27NZcpVlIvendl6XAuUPAMc5whFmoSvFvefA37jOqKMDEtl6JaZEUsKY+Q95TjKzFuOhb0yXRsHV31xRQdtlfuRNTqsT2GnKd02sxfGvFRfY7IOV67CUq1Slw+7Q1rl9he/GCiFD95UMhSQ1DEILv2/Q4A=; X-YMail-OSG: 7AgTO4IVM1mIamoxn2sjECZoe0HHm6rhh_rVTVfBB4rkM7zk_ULDlAyCAPQKNU5_PLGgGw7YsoA6_YLM5q2Q2Z34efQlECLP6.kOYmci_LFeX9nuMds- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:00:18 +0000 (UTC) beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich´s music for 12 musicians,there is also a film i think it was Ferris Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love scene on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack for that specific scene but it sounded very similar to this...the film is qui´te funny and the music is brilliant! thanx Luis --- Micha³ Wiernowolski wrote: > Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days > Microsleep", > made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. > The album can be downloaded from > http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ > (cf. > http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/service/070_news_events/20071113_tenori_on_MusicLive/index.html) > > It seems Tenori-on is more than just a nice toy (my > first impression). > > Michal > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. 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Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now! = --_dff12519-3ca2-476a-aa84-1a60591ee1ea_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0B13BEC5; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4753E049.5040700@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:54:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... References: <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> <008801c832a8$5678c8f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <008801c832a8$5678c8f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5D5iGD.A.9QH.HU-UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters schrieb: > A long out of print double LP called "Vor der Flut" (Before the > Flood) contained performances of C.Bauer, Butz Dähn, Heiner Goebbels, > Michael Köhler, Joe Koinzer, Roberto Laneri, Pauline Oliveros, > Saxophon Mafia, Helmut Scherner, Büdi Siebert, Trio Basso Köln. I have an reissue of that record on CD, one of my favorites for a long time. If you find it, just get it, recommended... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DF603BED3; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1228 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:14:15 UTC Message-ID: <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:53:44 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2rX-rB.A.LRH.HU-UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the audience usually expects. Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place > them in more accessible music. If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:35:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124833BEC5; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1252 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:35:01 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q6B2ckmi3PIg5oQaIXG0F9LTTxA/OxMYxQxabm/6DRc=; b=rsAJZrG5x3uVA0Zjn+34aZMPwSGQ01NZOwMX5BtmmIIY+HRPaflAaxK6/MF2SdtHTxWsSN75d8V6O90MJ7q4N2508Q+74/v/ZBJBcmSTg2s9fw6ORkcBpa/Cfu5tmnD0lxTX+8cYU4x+Fra4ChHfuIuCct6YN2wjCGSGRg4t8cE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BYC9sLTGvR1mjhPWZxwoeaprAjs/81Il4M8F6+S0EtOMigg5wdi7XNeltT7++LAzrs5ZErUGaX02oDDyUwX7VmAS/YoMY2B/7+fwVFwWII5tsdIFZIqXeZWr54sxJYFb415XIO9EZbxdpVBuj2hpYEXrnXsymNGBCl70if5sYAw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:07:21 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on In-Reply-To: <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:35:02 +0000 (UTC) An interesting view into perhaps an alternate universe, but I suspect you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 Musicians" and "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for the train sex scene. TH On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich=B4s music for 12 > musicians,there is also a film i think it was Ferris > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love scene > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack for > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is > brilliant! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 12:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D652F3BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WO7wgoWE5CYmiYxU8Jx4pDf0M/Gt+NJjzNxMlVFXcgIHkCZvu4ScB0+HJUKfCUkCpfy+YF92EOCAXImIrKrY5wInYh9N6Y+u277NwiJpQqGJT68EKK6TDFzpe+COVDay9Cygx4Z/S60NzHRwk8O4Nv3bdJAyzIB23VfUjoPEzKE=; X-YMail-OSG: i_c4TF0VM1l2eyqZIDPYeiplmKok4geELUAFTyGH0stRCxAkxrZRzC1TKtt6euexCw-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3VEOVC.A.BzC.01_UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction! Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > An interesting view into perhaps an alternate > universe, but I suspect > you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 > Musicians" and > "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for > the train sex > scene. > > TH > > On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich´s music for > 12 > > musicians,there is also a film i think it was > Ferris > > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love > scene > > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack > for > > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > > this...the film is qui´te funny and the music is > > brilliant! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:02:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B953BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:02:20 -0500 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:02:24 +0000 (UTC) > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W Bush. Enough said. On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > >> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place >> them in more accessible music. > > If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing > your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music > more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. > Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by > organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... > (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654673BED3; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018201c835ad$205513c0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Monday, 3 December, 2007 13:02 PM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy >> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by >> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no >> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the >> audience usually expects. >> Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. At least you're not whining about him "stealing the election" anymore. See, there IS promise. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:06:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A643BEB6; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vATK2Darb7yqzbCFn8X14fuvf3axi2YFPVTD+9pwuUQ=; b=G1BVD1pmD/a6mjM0AxBNyKObaT0SrgKks+9SrZ8g3leIiROv4tpxTtsJWqQq4iOyt5MwYxLjApr7Zggim4it+m2tlH7raQ7dz5zutal1fOKETO02AWtg3HAL6NwHvUpv6jFp7tIZffA8AvpV7iTyIpGgP7C2p2AA/ItMSl1LtoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ldMhvuDixLzce1l4nL6yoPX8k1peIGFJ0zlpDw6bIyYKg0htfbG9gpebzZQ8xjjtFgZ+DVoInvcAN/O/Q9uEqxF3u1OgVVmFw0T+H5tMb5YcNB/jFbLjg1trFwjsd7ATupGp50BV0w9tIy47fF4IP7BPRYGK6FW8fiKenCyTTHg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:06:38 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815" References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:06:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline But it's quite commonly known even outside USA that Bush stole that chair ... Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! (and now looping...) Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! ... Ra. 2007/12/3, Chris Sewell : > > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. > > > > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > Chris Sewell schrieb: > >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > > >> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place > >> them in more accessible music. > > > > If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing > > your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music > > more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. > > Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by > > organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... > > (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline But it's quite commonly known even outside USA that Bush stole
that chair ...

Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
(and now looping...)
Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
...

Ra.

2007/12/3, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>:
> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by
> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no
> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the
> audience usually expects.
> Exactly that is the artistic challenge!

Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W
Bush. Enough said.




On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Chris Sewell schrieb:
>> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average
>> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant).
>
> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by
> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no
> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the
> audience usually expects.
> Exactly that is the artistic challenge!
>
>> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place
>> them in more accessible music.
>
> If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing
> your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music
> more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often.
> Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by
> organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self...
> (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...)
>
> Stefan
>
> --
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
>




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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:09:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 601993BEDE; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QWwnPs/Anb6lBh5HgxnxkIH19PC80hha2dMuQOdN+Wc=; b=du2lx62PXlx0kcFWpfaFU/N+KCVIs/GkYdgJpa00Lb7YS1E2c8QtcjMM/Wf+Tp/xNdQE+JgyF7LcGaVScRaxKlaNi7dL6UrAQuQO76vGgE0TLtlY16w3Mz0gKPlF2MQCXOO6ZUvGrovvXhAbz4po6Jaf4x/yo1jeGic/fqMZ/Iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kpz7Iu6PEw0UzkOmqUyYUeLoWYZWA5sSX6MWYKnMCwA6vTkyuRq9WC4UeWHUMSfXOmWPKmlBN4XfgdYrlkzGjM7QmDta8PKCh2yeI3aFa0di4AyugYgP8FIECLxS7Bm1JdJy9+pkFNbA2csaqS+VCEmnP1XHJEpSsR5dKsDNZ0c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:09:16 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on In-Reply-To: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506" References: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The most interesting is that Norman will have lasted just an afternoon to make this wonderful music.. Nice, R. 2007/12/3, L.A. Angulo : > > Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since > ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction! > Luis > > > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > An interesting view into perhaps an alternate > > universe, but I suspect > > you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 > > Musicians" and > > "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for > > the train sex > > scene. > > > > TH > > > > On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo > > wrote: > > > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich=B4s music for > > 12 > > > musicians,there is also a film i think it was > > Ferris > > > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love > > scene > > > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > > > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack > > for > > > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > > > this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is > > > brilliant! > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. > http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The most interesting is that Norman will have lasted just
an afternoon t= o make this wonderful music..

Nice,
R.

2007/12/3, L.A. Angulo < labaloops@yahoo.com>:
Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction!
Luis



= --- Travis Hartnett <travish= artnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> An interesting view into perha= ps an alternate
> universe, but I suspect
> you're actually thinking of Re= ich's "Music For 18
> Musicians" and
> "Risk= y Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for
> the train sex
> scene.
>
> TH
>
> On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, = L.A. Angulo
> <labaloops@ya= hoo.com> wrote:
> > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich= =B4s music for
> 12
> > musicians,there is also a film i think it was
&= gt; Ferris
> > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love<= br>> scene
> > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent
> > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack
> for=
> > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to
> &g= t; this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is
> > brillian= t!
>
>


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


    &nbs= p; ___________________________________________________________________= _________________
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.  http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/<= br>



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TPO at m= yspace: http://www.m= yspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:22:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75AB73BEC7; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.186.60] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2007 14:22:28.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF0E05A0:01C835B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there...coming into this thread about Crystals late, but its got me worr= ied. =20 I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have been = controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch..... =20 I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 treatme= nt as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat yesterday and p= rogrammed three banks on my fcb to control one edp each using source# offs= ets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's in, have a line comin= g out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its thru and into edp3's in. =20 from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems. =20 1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the time= it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain =20 2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal incompatabil= ity with the two newer units which seem to synch well to each other. =20 by the way i wont be controlling them as a stereo pair or anything, one wi= ll be for purly vocal loops with the other two being used to lay down any c= ombination of handsonic, guitar, guitarsynth, my new kaossilator (grat tool= crap name) or microkorg but always mono. i imagined using one unitt o loo= ps the shorter phrases such as drum beats , thenlonger verses andchoruses o= n the second unit so i can then drop out the drums or change the patteren= by only needing to record one bar ...or something like that. =20 If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals from= here in the uk? =20 ta all =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.=20 http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk= --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there...coming into this thread about Crystals late, but its got me worr= ied.
 
I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have been = controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch.....
 
I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 treatme= nt as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat yesterday and p= rogrammed  three banks on my fcb to control one edp each using source#= offsets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's in, have a line = coming out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its thru and into edp3's i= n.
 
from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems.=
 
1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the time= it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain
 
2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal in= compatability with the two newer units which seem to synch well to eac= h other.
 
by the way i wont be controlling them as a stereo pair  or anything, o= ne will be for purly vocal loops with the other two being used to lay down&= nbsp;any combination of handsonic, guitar, guitarsynth, my new kaossilator = (grat tool crap name)  or microkorg but always mono. i imagined using = one unitt o loops the shorter phrases such as drum beats , thenlonger verse= s andchoruses on the second unit so i can then  drop out the drums or = change the  patteren by only needing to record one bar ...or something= like that.
 
If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals= from here in the uk?
 
ta all
 
Phill MyOneManBand
 
www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d 

Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend = now! = --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D6D3BED2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 637018739-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.152.36 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJajU0dPSpgk/2dsb2JhbACCKo5yl2I Message-ID: <475414F9.3020105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:38:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (UTC) phillip wilson wrote: > I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have > been controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch..... > > I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 > treatment as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat > yesterday and programmed three banks on my fcb to control one edp each > using source# offsets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's > in, have a line coming out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its > thru and into edp3's in. > > from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems. > > 1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the > time it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain Using a midi splitter is the standard way to solve midi chain delay. The delay with just 2 edps is pretty small, just enough to give you a Hass effect when you reverse a stereo pair. You could maybe run edp2 from the Midi Out of EDP 1 to reduce chaining. > > 2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal > incompatability with the two newer units which seem to synch well > to each other. or consider using Midi Sync, or the EDP Beat Sync. > > If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals > from here in the uk? Andy Ewen at Trace Elliot, but don't know if he still has them. Matthias could give you the part number. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 16:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BFF3BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kid+E2UXiZyZ0iuzOpUYd8R0mChoKbIIi1Iu4mcXxNrl3Fej0MXvKhUzEhQFme78B1MxVunH9V12Y20ubAFY0QGhCB+TneX43mK1ooyvKQsp/7zKxwQmaudQ4E/SDKVLdv7NoN8M4XD7xd6L7ZyPI9deiIEjBoiCjzQCUrN9MLI=; X-YMail-OSG: hElmxY0VM1kaJfBoB5iVRh7Vz.x9BftLmx5YdsHTOPSiSs9z80d3JLcNUiVbh1N1kg-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4753D6C7.9090104@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <127843.29248.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Man almighty do I know what you mean!!! I was reminded of a live video I did in the war memorial here in Pittsburg Kansas. ( I plan on posting it as soon as I can figure out all the computer issues to do it?) I played a spontaneous "test" inside a couple of huge walkthrough concrete cylinders. This prompted me to get my photographer/videographer and capture a little more sonic phenomena!!! The results were spectacular and I am planning on using this for more promotions and advertising purposes. I have some raqs sharqi performances with Sahlah Suhaylah planned for the near future as well and it would be amazing to have her dancing in one of these natural/unnatural acoustic settings with me playing. We are also looking for ethnic percussionists and dancers that can keep up with her intense style/workouts. She is in Oklahoma City/Tulsa areas and we will probably be traveling quite a bit maybe into Texas and perhaps we can find some of my old friends in Arizona as well? Where are you located may I ask? Happy Christ mas and Merry New Year to all of you loopy people!!! :o) Sincerely So Much Love, Daniel T. Albertini --- van Sinn wrote: > bill bigrig wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter > > and 50 feet high... > > Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or something having huge > tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, made in metal, looked > like polished cobber. > > > ...I will build a round > > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted > > to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb > > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate > > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to > > be interesting... > > Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird shapes with motorized > panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different speakers and mics in > various placements.. > > You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I guess it can have it's > merits being a country boy ;) > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. 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PEOLZROQDZZPXXDQIUOJYJKYCCIQTOOUVHPGQN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:20:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE33D3BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D9L5v0zo7S9ySdBRC_cA:9 a=V9nelsnPZiH1lxGqmuIA:7 a=iKFN3pa0rAZoe8fXNTR2MObjWacA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg1XidBMZPT3tnERqa/YOvu3SoZhw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Hello folks, I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo drumset performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools annual "day of percussion" event. I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he has played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and if you haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation consisting of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), gongs, various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta pitched, in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum thrown in for good measure. He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) that were virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, melody, texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, "wow, this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I changed that view completely. It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is that when he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds like a normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained slurs between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two different toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa quotes, and he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - on a freaking drum set! The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in the extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has an instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. ~Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:41:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C08C3BEB0; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UmktlCYc9ZvCJtWIwpmLACtxr+FE9rCyblWz6GbGqYo=; b=mhkYJBUMb6TJLOXougVVsfPJ/vTpqcv1g43pb6WPHmq2sev8nJKKsd5Vh5gD5bErxdNvajwOjRY0mzgmu72bk/tsYycUJ4C7HhSOBfLRAEGTs/aH4gOjbucoHCuRlI9PHXmljV04RqRv+IovQzM/+cUVXhWAfwK01nbkgouwIOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Quw1+Fsh0GxTQk/U9WZ1CyrdNq+OS3caHQ064UBs4vffWQZhsHmR+BV/E94r//OzzbgiBI9mKZve5ZwQCLT3SP7fO8A0CZvQHWIQR/c1T+drpjx+XhoUuh0KjlfoNbxWM9Ll/QNFeR3Iwc65pZogf2eWO4QijyH2yca5INPvLa0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:41:32 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: <620675.20667.qm@web34511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <408961.44240.qm@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <620675.20667.qm@web34511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Facebook privacy concerns: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140182-c,onlineprivacy/article.html "A Computer Associates security researcher is sounding the alarm that Facebook's controversial Beacon online ad system goes much further than anyone has imagined in tracking people's Web activities outside the popular social networking site. Beacon will report back to Facebook on members' activities on third-party sites that participate in Beacon even if the users are logged off from Facebook and have declined having their activities broadcast to their Facebook friends." On Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM, wrote: > didn't provide my link as example. > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 > > > --- mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I didn't upload music on the musicians page becuase > > of > > facebook wanting a photo ID... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:01:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C753BEC7; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:00:59 EST Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks greg! "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. Light out after it with a club.".....JACK LONDON http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks greg!



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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:04:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EADE3BECF; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47545331.4090703@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:04:17 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the in-depth review, Greg. It's amusing looking through the comments on his Youtube videos...people bring so many expectations to drumset playing that it seems the majority simply can't accept what he's trying to do. There are so many "he sux for having all those drums LOL!" and "peart is faster!" and "bonzo hits harder!" statements, which just seem to completely miss the point. It seems to me that he's created a unique solo instrument and is carving out a repertoire for it. I think that's tremendous. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:13:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C903BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 814 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:13:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: lochheed Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Hello - I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the various functions on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitted with the proper resistors and wired in series with standard patch cables The setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are certainly lasting longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a Boss LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss pedals between the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with a simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in stereo, they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and are always looping something different. Here's what's next for my setup.... I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME TIME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will. Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. In theory, it sound like it should work. Any thoughts? Adam http://www.myspace.com/lochheed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:27:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9DC3BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3B220DFF-2A6B-4F11-8D52-53E73D049F61@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:27:15 -0700 References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Adam, maybe I've missed this, but do you have any photos of this foot switch configuration? I don't remember anyone mentioning anything like that before. That sounds pretty interesting, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:34:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1763BECC; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=k2wwcKkzyBMMtdHEU689drDbKxuBpEQWzflvuPAP0gw=; b=UCeZwb/zzYOULtleZfEfLMVcbVTjhnEY29bPt5ohH+j0bDYY7zliXI63WE4M14rxFcghvdmXuc2npKa7eZsCmAixHOvykiwYQLfCGWvTMJeM9iJqf49tUIAASDnOFj+m2cKFfqGKiaPF16eotTsoT46qKpbhMIpm8xVRCa5k4JU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pglba0htUBg4iLFActXFUF8889zfagUDpdwzYgNIaORRZFzwaN2SOUpJSp9nEJegG/zdEQZMCHpjLuzzz8qkUPk24rC3wq2KUZ5rGL5s5vcV9hcdyI4yIsVakumBZLjQpVbmDDMyjHokE+eabeAN15FyocqzoQS4CARr5Ld8uHk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) You may run into issues there. I remember that some of the EDP functions could be controlled on two units with an EFC-7 type hookup through an ABY box, but some wouldn't, and I gave up at that point. I can't remember which right now. It may have to do with the resistance value seen when you have two units on the circuit. And yes, pictures please. On Dec 3, 2007 10:59 AM, lochheed wrote: > Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... > > After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:50:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96AE23BECC; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20071203195037140.223DB1C00040@mwinf1916.orange.fr Message-ID: <47545DFC.6000206@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:50:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6LuQHC.A.O2C.T4FVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf And it states in big letters on page 3: NOTE:The Control X is NOT a MIDI device and is to be used only with DigiTech GENETXTMprocessors. Useless, what a waiste of buttons... Sometimes I think (mass)manufacturers of gear sold their brains already. I just implement a custom made looper for a cello in Max. The musician wanted an organ pedal to control it. We found the Roland PK-5A which is very solid, (and heavy) and feels just perfect. But what a waist of possibilities (no problem though for this project...): There is a row of 8 switches above the 13 pedals. These switches don't send anything to midi out! ----- only the middle one but not if you hit it again ----- No way, they just change an internal mode. So the only way to deal with it is, to use it as well for just mode changes... -;) Another foolish implementation, The photon controller from Alesis: They have 10 endless wheels, wow --- BUT you can't set them to send inc/dec Midi values, they act as pots, not as wheels... How stupid and what a waist of possibilities... These badly designed products are probably crippled by design to not confuse anybody, but that's really confusing. Its so easy to have some presets which work for the crippled musicians and still keep all possibilities... I need simple non intelligent controllers, they don't need to store anything, don't need any mode, just send the same always... I'll do the rest myself... That should be so much easier and cheaper, almost no developement costs etc... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3423BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Tl+oVwCm6XYLrdy9wEr9s5ouQ6Xy3m0dKScnVEaP3Pw=; b=c3HeOCT+rnSRATBLyI7GtYmuFH/Ewf6jzqiDbD+rdRa07GB1cjKr2XnQKc//M1mjsb+nBs561ZQ6Etf8qbAoY7bhGw3BfTxRPJ/5FYMVnePhOFJxHtBqWI+1WEw/PAvq4/TaPdoJe72FmK0Kb3YNzitljvHEHfKCkjEe9hKnnok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=wfHDHdUbb2Qe/vcKJFWHZHWKhu5+Z4/Z9Q0KvMv+BzNpDSrSmPBpT9+8YSmbHihcVnlKkvnLbMKw/2yFFHDe2YP9g8USYO7ujA5p0uuzwZ98Vk2Wnc+V+a57UxmHZNLVb4zj4kPPQCtrbNN5Nf2QbkXjtvr7+4uYhm4dFfp2W4A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:17 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <35wRhC.A.cND.YAGVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's like 300 million people in America (and only about 50 million voted for Bush). My experience is that audiences exist for just about every kind of music, especially when the ideas and "vision" in that music is communicated. One thing I take comfort in is the amount of fans there are for the 'fringe bands' of commercial radio - Pink Floyd, The Grateful Dead, Bjork, Radiohead, etc... If so many people are stimulated by the strangest thing they can hear on a clearchannel station, it seems likely that many of them would have ears for something even more 'out there'. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Stefan Tiedje was like: > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! And then Chris Sewell was all: > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. 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================== From A Friend To a Friend From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 21:25:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 213783BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1729 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:25:13 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=MACINTOSH; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Chaikin Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:56:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: >>>>> Since the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control of keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. Bome has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of Midi Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. <<<<< Chris, If by "remotely" you mean using a midi device as opposed to the keyboard, switching live sets is indeed possible, without a remote control. I'm a former Bome fanatic who switched to Mac. The solution I whipped up involves MidiPipe and QuicKeys. MidiPipe lets you assign AppleScripts to Midi events. QuicKeys is a macro program for Mac. It's not cheap, but it's super-powerful. So in QuicKeys, you can write a macro to open a specific file when a certain key is pressed. Let's say you assign Ctrl-A to Song 1, and Ctrl-B to Song 2. (Not Command-A and B -- Ableton uses those already.) Let's assume your Midi device has two buttons that send out 192,1 and 192,2. Then in MidiPipe, we run the following script when a Midi event comes in: on runme(message) tell application "System Events" if (item 1 of message =3D 192) and (item 2 of message =B3 1) and = =20 (item 2 of message =B2 2) then tell process "Live" set frontmost to true keystroke "P" if (item 2 of message =3D 1) then keystroke "a" using =20 control down if (item 2 of message =3D 2) then keystroke "b" using =20 control down end tell end if end tell end runme ... which says: If a Midi event of 192,1 or 192,2 comes in, then - make Live the frontmost window - type "P" into Live (more on this in a sec) - type Ctrl-A or Ctrl-B Voila. Hit one of your buttons, and the file opens. - - - - - Unless of course Ableton puts up some dialog boxes. - If the Ableton set is currently playing, you'd get a "This action will stop audio. Proceed?" dialog box, which you don't want. So if you assign "P" (or whatever key you want) to Live's stop button, the script above will stop Live playing before closing the file. (That's what the "keystroke P" line is for in the script above.) - If your current Live set has changed, you'll get a "Save changes to ____ before closing?" dialog box, which we have to handle. So in Quickeys, my file-opening macro looks like this: 1. Open file "Song X" 2. Check for menu item "About..." in menu Live 3. Type Keystroke "Command-D" ... which basically says: if, after trying to open a new file, Live puts up the "Save changes?" dialog box, hit Command-D for "Don't Save." - - - - - QuicKeys is super-easy to work with; with MidiPipe you're sort of on your own. But the above system does work, and has been bulletproof for me onstage for 2 years now. Hope this helps... Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 23:12:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872B63BEB2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 81091 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:12:41 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: The woodshed Subject: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:41:08 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-ZFG9B.A.SiB.p1IVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi group. does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. Are there any notation applications that will enable me to create full scores with systems of different speeds? Ie system one is at 60 bpm system two at 89? thanks for any help, leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 23:21:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7711B3BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Hdt//BCSFKpxXeqWpWecmReUhR063ukfuklqSeMCn0U=; b=hQ220lvEACCqvu9hwL8n7cRRgf8VZB9FKqNO/4SK5MeadZg96rRS+/08l2KmbUy9n04UaQDJHWGrkmx4Bkd28qDzuMG3fsDPQyjMY3pxFT+uZQrnQVgJJx4dB9bTSiofdJ+4B9YNRbl7ye+KkWTeZPM7K8ykq/J3pHG/0Xm5YKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n8HR3I9RFixwlWSgHGa9wfiFNFA2Bt+mQvdNz8qzuSYoWlHL41BjPyH8BgML4gEA0DLj+54FeAIUgcWv6uTAkDUwswE256AVAVAcQzDSJZURd+U1TQWHva26eWn666JzWB++Jq5xluRJylYFLWZrCiEWZMvF3bmtAACgk04z+cI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E13E25F-DA61-458D-AD0C-7F743E890205@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:21:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) On 3 dec 2007, at 01.41, The woodshed wrote: > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi > controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between > performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. I once built a "light click" i Logic. > Are there any notation applications that will enable me to create > full scores with systems of different speeds? Ie system one is at > 60 bpm system two at 89? I have heard Digital Performer can do that, but I have not tried it myself. In Logic you can create one score first and then Tempo Lock all regions of that score. Then proceed with the second score while using the global temp map as usual. Logic is not a dedicated notation application, but it has a good score printing functionality. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:10:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696AD3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HgioEjyAmaogXVjV2VUrdjw1hMHXH7NnSMuFfpdfKJmlM+fOM9G0OKQdSYdRwwE0l3AhCTmgEQSOml1n1ZiI98ZOUBjxWkeDmELMhaGG55Rpla2zMypTcp8+zCYJ6pTn2WYmAM1v1MTDEK1uiyRskz05j6K+in7DCc27MejFqMI=; X-YMail-OSG: 46pWCNYVM1mJozHGSp1zAq0FrztylsgobSw6C4leclQDPv6.I7IGvbJJkZ_ZbtU6SJ_3ZZe9JHmGsmtIYRv9FPrCOrhMGjaZXKkCl9SRZ.lcnWGjlGHsZluz3.j5dQ-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <127843.29248.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I'm in south central Washington state (plutoniumville). The silo is about 10 miles from the top left corner of the united states. Rig --- Dan wrote: > Man almighty do I know what you mean!!! I was > reminded of a live video I did in the war memorial > here in Pittsburg Kansas. ( I plan on posting it as > soon as I can figure out all the computer > issues to do it?) I played a spontaneous "test" > inside a couple of huge walkthrough concrete > cylinders. This prompted me to get my > photographer/videographer and capture a little more > sonic > phenomena!!! The results were spectacular and I am > planning on using this for more promotions and > advertising purposes. I have some raqs sharqi > performances with Sahlah Suhaylah planned for the > near future as well and it would be amazing to have > her dancing in one of these natural/unnatural > acoustic settings with me playing. We are also > looking for ethnic percussionists and dancers that > can keep up with her intense style/workouts. She is > in Oklahoma City/Tulsa areas and we will > probably be traveling quite a bit maybe into Texas > and perhaps we can find some of my old friends > in Arizona as well? Where are you located may I > ask? > Happy Christ mas and Merry New Year to all of you > loopy people!!! :o) > Sincerely So Much Love, Daniel T. Albertini > --- van Sinn wrote: > > > bill bigrig wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 > silos > > > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they > were > > > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I > never > > > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in > diameter > > > and 50 feet high... > > > > Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or > something having huge > > tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, > made in metal, looked > > like polished cobber. > > > > > ...I will build a round > > > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be > adjusted > > > to any height within the silo thereby altering > reverb > > > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 > foot plate > > > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It > ought to > > > be interesting... > > > > Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird > shapes with motorized > > panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different > speakers and mics in > > various placements.. > > > > You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I > guess it can have it's > > merits being a country boy ;) > > > > -- > > rgds, > > van Sinn > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2C43BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CRzNbtkVKoo23MEg8X3xaCkqxAE2wx63AOA/wEk/hszWMFnDHGB8xEPyuo/IxdByODHCLPkFN3FuaIw87SKjn7KusBSg/SFQn3LWAwA5dymMPEskB1v2Cpkh8ZGNoDSC6fk1S/M05EfLM2rz6PJg3ThCIqWkw75WkDLfDB9rpIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: hHVH3u8VM1lMH0M5m__JO0zlCHY58z0VahgRZMxrSI2ECmARNtJNjYsq.CcIn92HQsTsjHdei4uP42tR3sTwdwtn5fHXNOMdeav8M9j7i2Tvpjud0nN0BiHP3R75ng-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <968655.36696.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <948261.46657.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5IY0OD.A.gLF.13JVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, At 9 milliseconds per foot, you must have gottenan early reflection somewheree. Rig --- ditch wrestler wrote: > > There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's > about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long. Stand > at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec. > > I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping > dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, > too. > > > ted. > > > > bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in > diameter > and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the > farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put > different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment > with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be > adjusted > to any height within the silo thereby altering > reverb > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot > plate > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought > to > be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE > cylindrical acoustic chamber. > > Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I > was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when > yelling from the front to the back. There again is a > natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to > try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back > wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb > thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, > no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused > except for storage, there are all sorts of natural > acoustic treatments to be toyed with. > Rig > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily > in that order." 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E30F3BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: ZeYGHpsVM1mMZ3O0rZc6cZ0oU2ga5Z7REAzy95c2E5K2Au4i Message-ID: From: "Ken Robarge" To: References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:41:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Greg, Thanks very much for the most excellent report! I loved Terry's work with Jeff Beck; the Guitar Shop album is one of my faves. I also remember Terry and his wife had a band in LA in the 80s, even had a couple of "hits." I think they were called Missing Persons. Anyway, sounds like you had a terrific exhibition by a master virtuoso. I'm envious! Regards, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg williams" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and if > you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum thrown > in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) that > were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I changed > that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is that > when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa quotes, > and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C534E3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sbPemCmL1AMXh+TFWeUeFLcRnT4s1obDCvxEYA0a0yDRimYlU1rKUR6v0wlCfbzVA8vtbm9iFo+HblzptQgBW2U145z9Xf7rhpLRq5smAvowsK2Y7krOyxc9HnqOKLOhUmX3RX9TiDZZfg6xPoAk2HpfluEnUlvFq9fdKQN32zM=; X-YMail-OSG: xypgQgIVM1nzC43M2wmFc79jzFHSyWwYMXa9NKnD2ZRsdKNPogQvdxUoKCIARiU7.A-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <647137.89511.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2Ziap.A.O_G.7dKVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I know a guy that rewired his delay pedal with the delay pot wired to the pedal and the pedal wires wired to the knob. You might try that. He claims he "invented" it, Rig --- rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking > for a delay footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as > the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as > would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > * Digitech PDS series > * Line6 DL4 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45863BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=pa95Xb5Y4yEg18XZ18vtwkkCmRxLIPS9PrnCzt3tvLQum+/tUuU7NGKXspFdXHpXNtkMS5/vHvRBptHLlP1IYwwAN6iIGrn3O+8fyIHST36XIX/OmapCCWQDXOCY7nSn1QvdKDoG1vHEJ6CAGx5wvKohTFE83Q2ctfpXn88lylc= ; X-YMail-OSG: KBt_fLYVM1kaNayoOXGnz3mnZuF0JxnrcOM6sUE66xJ8oDDTfsWC3wY4K_IeqNowpCnzhjbBvQ-- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:00:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2DnA0iP3X0MQSQRWjM8ceyQEqLAAAjBcg Message-Id: <20071204012320.A10263BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:23:20 +0000 (UTC) And to bring it 'round to looping, the guitarist for that band was Warren Cuccurullo, early user/endorser of the Lex JamMan. Oh and the entire band were Zappa alumns. useless trivia mode: off. m.c. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Robarge [mailto:kenrobarge@att.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Greg, Thanks very much for the most excellent report! I loved Terry's work with Jeff Beck; the Guitar Shop album is one of my faves. I also remember Terry and his wife had a band in LA in the 80s, even had a couple of "hits." I think they were called Missing Persons. Anyway, sounds like you had a terrific exhibition by a master virtuoso. I'm envious! Regards, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:46:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683B93BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2baf76c47df95b08f4f8df29c0243f32@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:46:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing Greg. Cool folks like that never come to Medford. BTW, I continue to lisen to and enjoy your CD "Circle of Hidden Intentions." It's in regular rotation on my iTunes at work. I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc is great. Cheers, Ted (the voice of the bear) Killian On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, greg williams wrote: > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he > has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and > if you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum > thrown in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) > that were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, > melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I > changed that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is > that when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds > like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa > quotes, and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - > on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in > the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has > an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9E23BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2FhAZ8C6hrqWfSMixJk6xHZq5uQAAMaOQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <8fbh3D.A.ZnC.UxLVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:32:53 +0000 (UTC) I love Terry Bozzio, got to open a show for Missing Persons way back when and he couldn't have been a nicer, more unaffected dude, I've seen him also with Zappa and with Jeff Beck a couple of times as well. I must say he's the kind of drummer like Dennis Chambers can be, that can take over a band, they have so much energy and hyper creativity. I saw Bozzio play with Pino Paladino, and he was turning his grooves inside out so much and playing so polyrhythmic that Pino couldn't lock in with him, on top off that Tony Hymas didn't seem to be making any effort to stay out of the bass frequencies, with massive synth washes. Then again it could have been a crappy mix, but it was disappointing to me, as I love Pino's playing, and wasn't hearing him well, however when I saw Bozzio play with just a keyboard trio with Beck and Tony Hymas it worked much better, in fact it was so amazing that I wasn't much interested in staying to hear the next act, Stevie Ray Vaughn, who's music I hadn't yet developed an appreciation for and who would have been better served by a more intimate venue. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:39:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2413BEA9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:39:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:39:51 +0000 (UTC) My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:55:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27103BECD; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51464.69.59.203.72.1196736949.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bozzio From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:55:50 +0000 (UTC) I have a bootleg DVD of Fantomas from the Montreaux jazz fest some years back. The usual drummer (Dave Lombardo, of Slayer, an amazing drummer as well) couldn't make the tour and Bozzio was called to fill in. Amazing performance, Bozzio's focus is unbelievable. > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's > playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and > Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's > instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From service@paypal.com Tue Dec 4 03:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 725 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:01:06 UTC Received: from dbscorp7.dbscorp.net (ns1.dbscorp.net [70.60.38.11]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33CA3BEA9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([66.57.78.81]) by dbscorp7.dbscorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "PayPal Inc," Subject: PayPal Accounts Review Department. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99EB3BECC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bADS+8O0yXybbD3GsnSf91HMh46wPVFKPVHJeUytj3rnEbpaJ2Pg76iew/SeCvaw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10827958.1196738667142.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd485e2e742ca5f2b343f6fee35da6027bf9379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:24:27 +0000 (UTC) here's the polytown show i was at-http://www.splattercell.com/gaalore/dtorn/dttrade.nsf/193a08444f62a96080256cd40065bd2b/9a03b478671e17e0c1256b7b00717934!OpenDocument cool as hell and a full house, but i seem to remember that the crowd could not get into it-but, i did. -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Shawn >Sent: Dec 3, 2007 9:39 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: bozzio > >My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's >playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and >Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's >instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A3C3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.11] From: samba - To: Subject: Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:26:39 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071204010356.960FB3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071204010356.960FB3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 03:26:39.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B4C7FC0:01C83625] Resent-Message-ID: <3kFErD.A.W8E.wjMVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:26:40 +0000 (UTC) --_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw Terry Bozzio at BumberShoot festival in Seattle-(maybe the best musi= c festival in the world, 4 days of music dozens of stages,every kind of mu= sic ,and cheap.Highly reccomended) He played a set at Bumberdrum ,the all percussion part of the fest. He ha= d the massive kit as described,fairly early in it's existence. I thought th= e cymbal/gong array was very cool. The first ten minutes were mindblowing. = pyrotechnical virtuosity,a huge range of textures and colors,and dynamics. = By 15 minutes it was getting predictable. He was sort of seesawing back and= forth between bombastically heavy chromatic roll action on all those low = toms and precious prettiness with the high cymbals. He even had two differ= nt facial expressions that accompanied this morph.After about 4 times up an= d down he seemed to have blown his conceptional wad,and just repeated it al= l for another 40 minutes.Most of the audeince seemed to be young male drumm= ers staring with some variation of the thought 'wish I could do that' furro= wing their brows as their girlfriends stared off into space in every direct= ion but towards the stage. I play melodic percussion ,and hand drums,not tr= aps.I was with my brother who was studying jazz drumset at Cornish Institut= e under Julian Priester. When I said if it's drum music and the women aren'= t dancing,and are bored,something's missing he got annoyed ,though later c= onceded the point. See it's possible to play in time but not be in the groo= ve. Sounds like his melodic concept has matured since then,it was 10 years ag= o. He can probably sustain interest longer.At the time I thought,'another o= ne of these guys with monster chops he needs to be under the control of a m= aestro with a musical vision'.I don't recall experiencing any other music e= vent that had such a curve from amazement to boredom,but the last 30 of t= he 50 minutes were boring.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE= ! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_1120= 07= --_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  I saw Terry Bozzio at BumberShoot festival in Seattle-(maybe the best= music festival in the world,  4 days of music dozens of stages,every = kind of music ,and cheap.Highly reccomended)
  He played a set at B= umberdrum ,the all percussion part of the fest. He had the massive kit as d= escribed,fairly early in it's existence. I thought the cymbal/gong array wa= s very cool. The first ten minutes were mindblowing. pyrotechnical virtuosi= ty,a huge range of textures and colors,and dynamics. By 15 minutes it was g= etting predictable. He was sort of seesawing back and forth between bombast= ically heavy  chromatic roll action on all those low toms and  pr= ecious prettiness with the high cymbals. He even had two differnt facial ex= pressions that accompanied this morph.After about 4 times up and down he se= emed to have blown his conceptional wad,and just repeated it all for anothe= r 40 minutes.Most of the audeince seemed to be young male drummers staring = with some variation of the thought 'wish I could do that' furrowing their b= rows as their girlfriends stared off into space in every direction but towa= rds the stage. I play melodic percussion ,and hand drums,not traps.I was wi= th my brother who was studying jazz drumset at Cornish Institute under Juli= an Priester. When I said if it's drum music and the women aren't dancing,an= d are bored,something's missing he  got annoyed ,though later conceded= the point. See it's possible to play in time but not be in the groove.
=   Sounds like his melodic concept has matured since then,it was 10 yea= rs ago. He can probably sustain interest longer.At the time I thought,'anot= her one of these guys with monster chops he needs to be under the control o= f a maestro with a musical vision'.I don't recall experiencing any other mu= sic event  that had such a curve from amazement to boredom,but the las= t 30  of the 50 minutes were  boring.
 



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Recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7eeb535298da160a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Aloha my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or p.a. to run it through. I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be looping are: frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) a variety of hand percussion multiple layers of vocals i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single source speaker system as well. Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd be grateful for any recommendations. thanks! -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:35:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1913BECD; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:35:44 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- Polytown. I saw them at the Bottom Line. My memory is a tad bit dusty... It was real cool to sit right in front of Bozzio and see him drool. I saw him with El Becko a few years ago too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 04:09:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA07B3BEB2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UdrjibjIWkKmv6n9OYsA:9 a=cpFltS7i_PBsNv3af4oA:7 a=5rJ6Sqqfx6UbBc5GIIKWTI-3ShgA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c8362b$888f5e90$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2baf76c47df95b08f4f8df29c0243f32@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2F3tATwsz5t24Q5WyqB2P1iE/AAAEd4Yg Resent-Message-ID: <_gCZl.A.woG.FMNVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Ted. >I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc >is great. The reason I was lurking around the percussion festival is that the Gamelan I play with, Gamelan Dharma Santi, played a piece (a lot of gear shlepping for a whopping 7 minutes of performance). I'll be recording some more Gamelan-inspired stuff beginning in January, along with some other stuff. Same format, acoustic guitar and looping. Although after the Bozzio clinic I've been beating my hands raw practicing "guitar percussion solos", so I'll probably include a little of that as well. I was also really inpired by some of the tone mangling that went on in Santa Cruz, but I don't know how that will fit into my thing yet. When are you going to record a new one man? I dig Flux the Flaxen Bear ;) I'm really glad you enjoy the disc Ted. Take care. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Thanks for sharing Greg. Cool folks like that never come to Medford. BTW, I continue to lisen to and enjoy your CD "Circle of Hidden Intentions." It's in regular rotation on my iTunes at work. I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc is great. Cheers, Ted (the voice of the bear) Killian On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, greg williams wrote: > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he > has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and > if you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum > thrown in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) > that were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, > melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I > changed that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is > that when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds > like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa > quotes, and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - > on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in > the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has > an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 04:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396E73BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:17:13 UTC X-YMail-OSG: aKFIg2kVM1kBKttM6A_PY5nwHzuqxeSZyK4yGNfgPA9pbMsPd7FchS_b3Wv9HPBqUcVxhlLB874JccwE9MYkVF4U5uP36kaaqViyJvzCwTjLID3S2A-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E93428E-7369-4E95-9417-65830E877C15@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:10:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:17:14 +0000 (UTC) No loopage (that I remember), but the Black Light Syndrome CD (Bozzio, Levin, and Steve Stevens) is also excellent. --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 06:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C82CA3BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xFaxgsvhZdTjB7H7KHN0in98HBfAGD00dj3LDLAlXr8PUD28SOnMUeawP70lQBvUdIFq0y2EFeMa/KRo2gcww1/LR52shewaUwjI7V8mrQ8j6kA8WUUUzzNPTFoEsPZnj5gXisW6pzFp52sY9jE4GtlSKk7+RTqoQ3+Xfu7KvEg=; X-YMail-OSG: alSdaf0VM1nzF7Ixaod31GlyREz159vxaq94V0TL8zv.TeEU4S7EUa7_HcmUL0kGtS_2tlU9tYz.gcKkFhrPCQo6EbBthMZJNCckfwsGTxyx8FMmM9Y- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <403500.99158.qm@web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3weuB.A.wTE.KOPVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Great...So... tracking what we do while having a photo ID on file. That's not like wierd or unnerving or anything. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Facebook privacy concerns: > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140182-c,onlineprivacy/article.html > > "A Computer Associates security researcher is > sounding the alarm that > Facebook's controversial Beacon online ad system > goes much further > than anyone has imagined in tracking people's Web > activities outside > the popular social networking site. > > Beacon will report back to Facebook on members' > activities on > third-party sites that participate in Beacon even if > the users are > logged off from Facebook and have declined having > their activities > broadcast to their Facebook friends." > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM, > wrote: > > didn't provide my link as example. > > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 > > > > > > --- mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > I didn't upload music on the musicians page > becuase > > > of > > > facebook wanting a photo ID... > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 07:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0103BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:33:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: bozzio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5Klv7.A.n5G.6LQVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:34:18 +0000 (UTC) At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: >Daryl Shawn wrote: >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >Polytown. I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:28:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C24693BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 654565171-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKSeVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSndA Message-ID: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:28:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:28:50 +0000 (UTC) hi Michael, Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour the sound a lot. ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). andy butler michael wall wrote: > Aloha > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > p.a. to run it through. > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > looping are: > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > a variety of hand percussion > multiple layers of vocals > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > source speaker system as well. > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > be grateful for any recommendations. > > thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:46:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503903BECF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 382 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:46:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XY8ZXXEw3ZzxAuxJoW89dhi2bRod0eDAdjRI/GvH7d0=; b=wduV/udch0+sSqY7JkXrgDkopqV2Rep4dRqAOP10bafrOTGXgClsC+8iYxTP1r9HBvH6ykpxoZ+G0fR4UEqdpqqghlL6h2W26mPjBd21ehk6zSVaG93XXQ7opl2FNG7srVRdbgmf4eunixB+WmhBqSvR/B22wsHPD/+9KhBeNJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=vW8wrDOj9fEYov1rxf1cn3B7SZ/j4XP+Wi1ZTt9lcQBvIfjlO+eQaAGJfEq+PYgYqBaOSUvEWcn6yDgztNaKPcH4+WmZ+4XG+J7uoN+N+ueVPemVY5j6XEGyDWVfcoM2hRDW+fHiuSOuoxNpZ+mrOiYZya4h63CdIceVmGced0Y= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:40:20 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837" References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <2B9Rp.A.liB.5PRVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did 2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control... Arne 2007/12/4, andy butler : > > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > andy butler > > michael wall wrote: > > Aloha > > > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > > p.a. to run it through. > > > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > > looping are: > > > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > > a variety of hand percussion > > multiple layers of vocals > > > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > > source speaker system as well. > > > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > > be grateful for any recommendations. > > > > thanks! > > > > > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did  2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the  sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control...
Arne 

 
2007/12/4, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
hi Michael,
Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers.
These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour
the sound a lot.
( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies
on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of).



andy butler

michael wall wrote:
> Aloha
>
> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love
>
> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or
> p.a. to run it through.
>
> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically
> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people.  What I'll be
> looping are:
>
> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range)
> a variety of hand percussion
> multiple layers of vocals
>
> i'm interested in something reasonably portable.  I have looked at the
> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single
> source speaker system as well.
>
> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd
> be grateful for any recommendations.
>
> thanks!
>






--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:47:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36DE33BECA; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9psx+RqA+gnJ7kWlGHiIa2cN97/p4UqQLzicCRvUAH8=; b=Ak37eZV22M8xpduyotNOCm2WAN/p/XTTHEaMaIj0yMmGyyyCapkPJPLWvbwPgPtZQQeE6hK8PXJKMuQ+VaLn5Vyt+m4uiulI3IKx7V+WQtBNQBHMXbhWimsukV8g/aPCcN2V5CSmpgiOB6QtiEipbJprjQI7AuE+vPBmWEa2pPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cN0GnAhCP39wv2QOeEuPbvhNAfWEQRAHjWkG82ZCPmHqVCuIfzRH7ei5/fMky/cHrj3c5HTZIqvNPexE0y/jH9UqZXozUZmIxTus4B5Xs27n6GYFR/Aoriw/sZ4HJnXjl0/cVIp/BHtAf/XZMs+lYd+Lc5n0/cebXGE0alP4+YY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:47:13 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976" References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <9HXSWC.A.0rB.ZQRVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline heres a picture from that particular setup http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-geek-stuff.html A 2007/12/4, Arne R. Skage jr : > > Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers > http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively > cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did 2 months ago to use for self monitoring, > i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the sinal > from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level > control... > Arne > > > 2007/12/4, andy butler : > > > > hi Michael, > > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > > the sound a lot. > > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > michael wall wrote: > > > Aloha > > > > > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > > > > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > > > p.a. to run it through. > > > > > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > > > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > > > looping are: > > > > > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > > > a variety of hand percussion > > > multiple layers of vocals > > > > > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > > > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > > > source speaker system as well. > > > > > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > > > be grateful for any recommendations. > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
heres a picture from that particular setup http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-geek-stuff.html
A

 
2007/12/4, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com>:
Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng  , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did  2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the  sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control...
Arne 

 
2007/12/4, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
hi Michael,
Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers.
These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour
the sound a lot.
( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies
on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of).



andy butler

michael wall wrote:
> Aloha
>
> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love
>
> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or
> p.a. to run it through.
>
> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically
> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people.  What I'll be
> looping are:
>
> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range)
> a variety of hand percussion
> multiple layers of vocals
>
> i'm interested in something reasonably portable.  I have looked at the
> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single
> source speaker system as well.
>
> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd
> be grateful for any recommendations.
>
> thanks!
>






--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com



--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EF33BEE6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:47:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c83652$477642d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2UkbWgLifWKYhRBKBimfFstXFyw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) > ---- RICK WALKER wrote: > The current (September 2007) issue of DRUM! Magazine > has a 6 page article on live looping techniques for > drummers and percussionists. does anyone have a copy of this, and can post these 6 pages somewhere? as JPG or PDF? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 09:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E478F3BECC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vZu6Jzs5NT3EE9trs1L74npGviDbk5CuldtBeXeef6E=; b=UmqgBs08/Rg0fN1geH2ZQQfCfoE8z9XJxeM1XzHqn8iRZQCs6tQBMgaFD1v1WKoj4WQF5CGI7yc3kdvk+i+S+WEu25sPfwKEUxXFCyl24tXMTGg7lOHIH3jt9xPQjlXMDyZ5Bv/Df59S5HIT+6QJVgoCLImkfZKQyLn8zXlascY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y/vZYxowe0EA/lKnQaEgLZtKeVUN/Byx48e3xu7Z8yN79wHOAtwbO6tifwc0/MT0JqeZPta119lxqZ5WcURKJTAUcovp96qMXdzZn9VrawQlX2I2aUyFHybsTMqql5YDMYmCEzEsxDoEKWSgIpyOpjddi4QUI9p12bvoVXZ8Ugo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:12:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On 4 dec 2007, at 09.28, andy butler wrote: > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at http:// www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 each that would translate. I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - Bose. Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 09:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B755E3BECF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:41:29 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:41:31 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. How about the Mackie SRM450? Have you compared that to the Eon in a listening test? I have a couple of SRM350s and I am quite happy with them although I had to do some dangerous surgery on them to disable the stupid automatic bass boost feature. They are nearly useless without the surgery which is why I wouldn't recommend them. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 11:13:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434E33BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643614692-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAM7EVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOdZoV Message-ID: <475535FE.4090806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:11:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> In-Reply-To: <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:13:07 +0000 (UTC) hi Sam, I played through those (I think, not sure the exact model) when I went to Santa Cruz for the y2k5 loopfest. In Santa Cruz, absolutely everybody has those speakers, so I got to hear a lot of them. I found them very fatiguing to listen to, thought they sounded harsh and that the bass response was slow. To me, they had something of the sound of someone shouting through a tube into your ear. However..a lot of people love the sound of those speakers, maybe because it reminds them of the sound of a big gig, I don't know. If you think "punchy" is a good adjective for speakers then give them a try. The jbls ( I have the earlier model) are much more like having the sounds you feed into them, only somewhat louder. andy Sam Nilsson wrote: > andy butler wrote: >> hi Michael, >> Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. >> These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour >> the sound a lot. > > How about the Mackie SRM450? Have you compared that to the Eon in a > listening test? > > I have a couple of SRM350s and I am quite happy with them although I had > to do some dangerous surgery on them to disable the stupid automatic > bass boost feature. They are nearly useless without the surgery which is > why I wouldn't recommend them. > > - Sam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 11:37:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D803BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643625817-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKvKVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSpEA Message-ID: <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:35:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM > IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at > http://www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for > half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 > each that would translate. depends what you mean by "beat". The usual considerations are Could just mean they are louder. (and they make disco stuff, if you ever heard a uk disco that's scary) > I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they > really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially > appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors > are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you > really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - > Bose. Totally agreed, for Norwich Loopfest I set up the jbls behind the performers. ....perfect monitoring. > > Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? > It all started with Sub Woofers, a speaker that handled sounds that full range speakers couldn't reasonably reproduce. That would be in the 20-40Hz range. With those it didn't matter that they had a separate enclosure. Those sounded like a lot of fun. Now the "sub" woofers take on the lower frequencies that would otherwise be handled by the woofer in full range speaker, allowing high volumes of "hit you in the chest" 50-100Hz frequencies( or higher). These "Sub" woofers (really they are just woofers) use resonance to boost the volume, which makes for a slow uneven bass response. So the "doesn't matter where you put it" theory no longer applies. So far, I didn't hear a set-up like that which I thought sounded good. Though price per price there may be an advantage. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48263BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:05:02 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ot flashing midi metronome? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:04:27 +0000 (UTC) The woodshed wrote: > > Hi group. > > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi > controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between > performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019953BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:26:41 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: MIDI design/pogramming books'n'ressources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Because of the resent metronome thread: >> does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome.. > > Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: > http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can > be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. > I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. > He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. I just did a quick peek into the book at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1884777449/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9788421-2521419#reader-link Looks interesting, lotsa info.. but all Windows(95) and C++ based. Anyone have pointers to books and ressources about general MIDI design and programming techniques? Preferable using non-platform-specific libs. Assembly welcomed too. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF193BEAF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:55:57 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: >> Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >>> "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >>> colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. >>> Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of >>> feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with >>> Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. >> >> When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >> Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >> Polytown. > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. Nope. Mark Isham, David Torn, Mick Karn, Terry Bozzio. Maybe there was a keyboard player. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:13:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BAAD3BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9z6QJyb2ZsajZxt3XjUXSZTQAREFZd7i9Yu+YTJDMcI=; b=EXVN8c2X5AVzY8ySG/3iizwC5vpncDt9iBcgDqY6V0+jCiSgOyDsebn002DMaynb82aUlPNO34HodFD6pHapSWRN0xyc2VwoX6FGaTVhKrq7K+6/1wfcejNs8OAU9wcqPNuF68UfjArZctNbKMZ0XslcoQXQ9ueUiigvClATUIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JdtDie8Ytj3UscPQN5dcWP2Rkph+HnKp2sGjOR6GDw8+7+paM96T9M6A6c/43VNoSLI2GccOozjXIUm1cBwzsCj8q1HKfUv73RpAjRWiuvv/brepyciyJggGSqXIj9TwQ90LYnn+c9OURFk5C3SWZks2rct84/ijCdlZeuNJFWU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:13:28 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI design/pogramming books'n'ressources In-Reply-To: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: <7NUO-C.A.znG.c6WVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) MIDI Technical Fanatic's Brainwashing Center. ;) http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/ If you are looking for code a great place is www.codeproject.com though it's mostly Windows based (but not all.) Tony On Dec 4, 2007 8:26 AM, van Sinn wrote: > Because of the resent metronome thread: > >> does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome.. > > > > Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: > > http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > > Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can > > be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. > > I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. > > He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. > > > I just did a quick peek into the book at: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1884777449/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9788421-2521419#reader-link > > Looks interesting, lotsa info.. but all Windows(95) and C++ based. > Anyone have pointers to books and ressources about general MIDI design > and programming techniques? > Preferable using non-platform-specific libs. Assembly welcomed too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:18:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 869503BEC7; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:20 UTC Message-ID: <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:13:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: bozzio From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) >>> When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >>> Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >>> Polytown. >> >> I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to >> Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick >> O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > Nope. Mark Isham, David Torn, Mick Karn, Terry Bozzio. Maybe there was a > keyboard player. Working with Mark Isham is how the three got to know each other. Polytown was a bit of a reunion, though Torn had been doing some work with Mick Karn before that for CMP. (Mick also was Torn's original choice for Cloud About Mercury, if i recall, and Mick played on that tour.) I worked on the Polytown record back in 1993 as the teaboy. 20 days of pure bliss--all composed, recorded, and mixed in under three weeks. That's when David Torn taught me how to loop (with a PCM 42). During the sessions Jon Durant--who was working for Lexicon at the time--showed up with this new-fangled thing David had consulted on, hot off the assembly line: it was called the Jamman. Good times. Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY U.S.A. 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GHJJQTIBZYPZINOZRTUXMRYGPFNCXVNDPNYPEX From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:23:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349693BECA; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47557105.3000600@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:23:49 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" References: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gPWqD.A.MBH.iDXVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm in south central Washington state > (plutoniumville). The silo is about 10 miles from the > top left corner of the united states. Plutoniumville? And those silos just had corn'n'stuff in them.. :-D For the fun of it, I once had two birds. The bluish colored was named Blues Boy, and when we got the next yellowish one, I asked a friend, who were into chemestry and physics, what to name it. A short thought later he suggested Yellow Cake. In case ypu don't know, yellow cake is an extremely toxic waste product from the plutonium enriching process, AFAIR. Wonderful birds, but a bit bizarre that Yellow Cake died if canser.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:53:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E7C3BED0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:53:33 -0500 References: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, I'll definetly check that out. Abletons unwillingness to =20 provide midi control of keystrokes is truly ponderous. I had high hopes for Live 7, but no, not this time either. On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Chaikin wrote: > Chris Sewell wrote: > >>>>> > Since the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control > of keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. > Bome has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of > Midi Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. > <<<<< > > Chris, > > If by "remotely" you mean using a midi device as opposed > to the keyboard, switching live sets is indeed possible, > without a remote control. > > I'm a former Bome fanatic who switched to Mac. > The solution I whipped up involves MidiPipe and > QuicKeys. > > MidiPipe lets you assign AppleScripts to Midi events. > QuicKeys is a macro program for Mac. It's not cheap, > but it's super-powerful. > > So in QuicKeys, you can write a macro to open a > specific file when a certain key is pressed. Let's say > you assign Ctrl-A to Song 1, and Ctrl-B to Song 2. > (Not Command-A and B -- Ableton uses those already.) > > Let's assume your Midi device has two buttons that > send out 192,1 and 192,2. > > Then in MidiPipe, we run the following script when > a Midi event comes in: > > on runme(message) > tell application "System Events" > if (item 1 of message =3D 192) and (item 2 of message =E2=89=A5 = 1) and =20 > (item 2 of message =E2=89=A4 2) then > tell process "Live" > set frontmost to true > keystroke "P" > if (item 2 of message =3D 1) then keystroke "a" using =20 > control down > if (item 2 of message =3D 2) then keystroke "b" using =20 > control down > end tell > end if > end tell > end runme > > ... which says: > If a Midi event of 192,1 or 192,2 comes in, then > - make Live the frontmost window > - type "P" into Live (more on this in a sec) > - type Ctrl-A or Ctrl-B > > Voila. Hit one of your buttons, and the file opens. > > - - - - - > > Unless of course Ableton puts up some dialog > boxes. > > - If the Ableton set is currently playing, you'd get > a "This action will stop audio. Proceed?" dialog box, > which you don't want. So if you assign "P" (or > whatever key you want) to Live's stop button, the > script above will stop Live playing before closing > the file. (That's what the "keystroke P" line is for > in the script above.) > > - If your current Live set has changed, you'll get > a "Save changes to ____ before closing?" dialog > box, which we have to handle. So in Quickeys, > my file-opening macro looks like this: > > 1. Open file "Song X" > 2. Check for menu item "About..." in menu Live > 3. Type Keystroke "Command-D" > > ... which basically says: if, after trying to open > a new file, Live puts up the "Save changes?" > dialog box, hit Command-D for "Don't Save." > > - - - - - > > QuicKeys is super-easy to work with; with MidiPipe > you're sort of on your own. But the above system > does work, and has been bulletproof for me onstage > for 2 years now. > > Hope this helps... > > > Kid Beyond > email@kidbeyond.com > http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:58:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2362C3BED5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:58:33 -0800 Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Thread-Topic: computers suck creative energy Thread-Index: Acg15wICywqluUO8QoSWFzETpBe2xAApvNDA Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Matt. I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it on." While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Well, there's like 300 million people in America (and only about 50 million voted for Bush). My experience is that audiences exist for just about every kind of music, especially when the ideas and "vision" in that music is communicated. One thing I take comfort in is the amount of fans there are for the 'fringe bands' of commercial radio - Pink Floyd, The Grateful Dead, Bjork, Radiohead, etc... If so many people are stimulated by the strangest thing they can hear on a clearchannel station, it seems likely that many of them would have ears for something even more 'out there'. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Stefan Tiedje was like: > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! And then Chris Sewell was all: > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:21:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15573BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Z9EMWLwPrvSqPvKAddJCTIREldlgwFkW6ZwhfIYWz6w=; b=m/M0Qem7shjli/YaFNukbBXQyKRLgx33JMYwGeczPojjCOJBzFYCLkLJ8+b48mNYs9VbjlknnnW12KeNhbmBGlUA/HnyQ2pq0SiUDU17s5Aew68zbJJ2woDAHI4BDDar6tlOZZ8y2x57+Zx4jPkunK+CY3d+WJ86+LjSsteyfoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lG6O9NET6NvZGO9ERtB0u9KJlfvyBTtpFvlR0TfdTwsvIkhETCZOh2GFlCV/jsIfWJ7bqCciw0bVrmyQ9myhPfXuyveDW2EWIUOVrTDGEUlBQQnOMLaxLQJ2QDPIUZbjuLtbB+F7XAqScL03ikRlnQjtliuBMhxOp5T8Jie5xcs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:21:49 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio play. Tony On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote: > I agree with Matt. > > I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here > in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an > audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At > one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never > been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house > and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it on." > > While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even > here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form > of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. > > Glenn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A238E3BED6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:40:35 -0500 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) I agree. You can find an audience for any style of music. Even Avant Garde has its fans. There's a great article on Ornette Colman in Rolling Stone this month. I have a close friend that plays New 21st Century Classical music. But my post was in the context of being a paid musician. There's a ton of free gigs out there. No doubt about that. But if you get hired to play a bar, there is an expectation on the part of the club owner (your boss for the night), that you will play appropriate music. Now that will change with the venue. Some bars require more mainstream music, some bars I can kick in the Audio Damage plugs and wail. Some get a little of both. My point was (I think), that the groundbreaking loopers, Krispen, Per, et al, have influenced my music within my genre. There techniques, style and knowledge has seeped into my music. I use feedback, reverse loops, delays, pitch shifting and other techniques I've learned here and applied it to cover tunes. Yes, Its a compromise, but I have a mortgage to pay. On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Tony K wrote: > There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the > NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells > out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll > never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The > 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio > play. > > Tony > > On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman > wrote: >> I agree with Matt. >> >> I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here >> in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an >> audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At >> one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never >> been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house >> and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it >> on." >> >> While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even >> here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form >> of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. >> >> Glenn >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:03:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E1A3BEB0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=s0nzXUpgrZ318mw7D5wxFzekDHQIqbly2ezM3FWjvyg=; b=ddEwJ3qW8dyNnBDtsrAuMYpQP9liI1x74GlSdFQ3ZPz81ckT/BZEqsTOztGho+49cTay6MVg3h/1SueRvaQD8WwNmBTRiHW6o88JKGZwIDXRergvpduWQL8bFlmP5qLH7Uhykr7fw/2LVnFt/ZD+eVolnTo0dBQxFl2e71x+SXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KLMgaSediBwCKv43BecqIBQms1+Ro+kl+QZO1IwHLIhZV4VJaHGeEXjBAB9c9GqxCQ+PVL0KsY+/qVeINHmljbAj0YOUA/6TyfNaG3jGvvf3o3pfz59i45Qh5k0Ypv82Zz6SiMXi2jxpR28bFQd38BKahQ9Kr7zlhxh0U+rfiqI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:03:42 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) >But my post was in the context of being a >paid musician. Ah, yes, sorry. The thread's getting long and I kinda... missed that. I agree, it is hard to make a living as a musician no matter what genre you play. I was reading Fripp's Diary the other day and he just finished a tour with the LCG and he was send a BILL for $5000 after the tour. A few years ago Marillion fans had to raise funds to get them to tour the US. Thank god these bands love what they do. It makes me glad I play just for fun. I'd have way too much stress if I had to make a living at it. Tony On Dec 4, 2007 11:40 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I agree. You can find an audience for any style of music. Even Avant > Garde has its fans. There's a great article on Ornette Colman in > Rolling Stone this month. I have a close friend that plays New 21st > Century Classical music. But my post was in the context of being a > paid musician. There's a ton of free gigs out there. No doubt about > that. But if you get hired to play a bar, there is an expectation on > the part of the club owner (your boss for the night), that you will > play appropriate music. Now that will change with the venue. Some bars > require more mainstream music, some bars I can kick in the Audio > Damage plugs and wail. Some get a little of both. > > My point was (I think), that the groundbreaking loopers, Krispen, Per, > et al, have influenced my music within my genre. There techniques, > style and knowledge has seeped into my music. I use feedback, reverse > loops, delays, pitch shifting and other techniques I've learned here > and applied it to cover tunes. Yes, Its a compromise, but I have a > mortgage to pay. > > > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Tony K wrote: > > > There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the > > NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells > > out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll > > never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The > > 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio > > play. > > > > Tony > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman > > wrote: > >> I agree with Matt. > >> > >> I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here > >> in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an > >> audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At > >> one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never > >> been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house > >> and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it > >> on." > >> > >> While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even > >> here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form > >> of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2A43BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 700268667 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ot flashing midi metronome? Thread-Index: Acg2nZ68cM9wqgGgR6GhWLgyG1D/RQ== References: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 17:46:38.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F129660:01C8369D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi=20 > controlled?<< I've been looking for something similar, ready-made & road-worthy, to stick in front of my drummer to help him with staying in time with our sequencer parts. at the moment we rely on deafening side-fill, & he still gets lost if the keyboards become too dense. actually I plan to engineer something out of one of these home-made midi/analogue sequencers or midi-sync converters one sees from time to time on e-bait. I have a couple of suitable boxes already, & also plan to interface one with a DL4's tap-tempo switchgear. eventually. btw, my guitarist's DL4 fell apart in a radio-studio in philly a couple of weeks ago. the problem was the footswitches coming apart, & all the little springs & so forth were loose inside the pedal. a few minutes with a screwdriver & a wrench & it was as good as new, apart from the paint-job. BUT if he'd carried on with it as it was, he would've wrecked the tiny SM microswitches underneath, & probably totalled the PCB. gentlemen, tighten your nuts! d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:51:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5837E3BED3; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47559397.1080901@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:51:19 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, peter@RedSunSoundroom.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Ladies and gents, we have a winner! great story... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I worked on the Polytown record back in 1993 as the teaboy. 20 > days of pure bliss--all composed, recorded, and mixed in under > three weeks. That's when David Torn taught me how to loop > (with a PCM 42). During the sessions Jon Durant--who was working > for Lexicon at the time--showed up with this new-fangled thing > David had consulted on, hot off the assembly line: it was called > the Jamman. > > Good times. > > Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95FDC3BED2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475598A4.7030304@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:12:52 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chinapainting podcast References: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Jim and I have posted the first edition of what will hopefully be a monthly podcast. Most of it will be stuff from our Ninjam sessions, but this one consists of four pieces from when we played in Oakland this October, just before the Loopfest. There's a kinda-Frisellian thing, a dark and sinister thing, an acoustic-no-FX thing, and a glitchy drone, plus a wee bit of history in my best radio voice. http://chinapainting.podomatic.com Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884173BED8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, 4 December, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM >> IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at >> http://www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for >> half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 >> each that would translate. > > depends what you mean by "beat". > The usual considerations are > > Could just mean they are louder. > > (and they make disco stuff, if you ever heard a uk disco that's scary) > > >> I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they >> really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially >> appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors >> are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you >> really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - >> Bose. > > Totally agreed, for Norwich Loopfest I set up the jbls behind the > performers. > ....perfect monitoring. >> >> Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? >> > > It all started with Sub Woofers, a speaker that handled sounds that full > range speakers couldn't reasonably reproduce. That would be in the 20-40Hz > range. With those it didn't matter that they had a separate enclosure. > Those sounded like a lot of fun. > > > Now the "sub" woofers take on the lower frequencies that would otherwise > be handled by the woofer in full range speaker, allowing high volumes of > "hit you in the chest" 50-100Hz frequencies( or higher). These "Sub" > woofers (really they are just woofers) use resonance to boost the volume, > which makes for a slow uneven bass response. > So the "doesn't matter where you put it" theory no longer applies. I concur. Many systems for the home are being marketed as 'surround systems' even though the satellite speakers don't pump out more than 20W apiece. Ugh, I got my first 100W receiver in the 80s and never went back. And, yes, UK discos are frigntening for their abuse of volume. (Remembering that, back in the 70s, a DJ who had it too loud was usually derided for trying to compensate for something personal that was lacking. Now? It's a world where turning up the BPM during a piece is somehow accepted as a kind of dramatic effect.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A808E3BEC7; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:05:16 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stephen Goodman : > > > ... Many systems for the home are being marketed as 'surround > systems' even though the satellite speakers don't pump out more than > 20W apiece. Ugh, I got my first 100W receiver in the 80s and never > went back. > > And, yes, UK discos are frigntening for their abuse of volume. > (Remembering that, back in the 70s, a DJ who had it too loud was > usually derided for trying to compensate for something personal that > was lacking. Now? It's a world where turning up the BPM during a > piece is somehow accepted as a kind of dramatic effect.) > > > My P.A. system consists of five SRM-450's and two SWA1501 (subs). All =20 my mixes are done in surround sound -- my RME800 unit does a folddown =20 to stereo so that I can play in situations where surround is not =20 available (or where I only take part of my PA system). I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add that I apply EQ to my =20 mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In general, when moving =20 away from a speaker the high end drops off faster than the low end. =20 For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from 3 feet away but =20 may sound just fine from 20 feet away. One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a way to produce =20 loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. Sometimes, a =20 two-channel setup will blast out people seated in the speakers' hot =20 spots. To spread out the sound over multiple channels helps to =20 prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a digital organ the =20 sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, and 4 room-modelling =20 channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if being overly =20 loud, even when I crank it up!) The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very even. Some of the =20 cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok for car crash and =20 explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript for music. Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about my setup with all =20 the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too hard, admittedly. A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and the provided =20 system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear them from my =20 position on the stage however they seemed to work well. =20 Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which deprived the =20 listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I was the only one =20 who knew about the missing notes. :) All the other acts from that =20 stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the Eon's worked fine =20 for that application. I have also played through and heard others play through the Bose PAS. =20 Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to do surround sound =20 (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If you can get by with =20 a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:25:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08CD3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:25:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=t+DN70YQrfreBqX7hHJsL+PDSgXLEzb3EO72OxkEPJH6Tna0v5eCdfI2NR/lejkJ7px5hPCIPNt2xV1Ibb1g/focmKvKKGIcF+3zPXq49vUKDmK62a/2KWtkF2M942+bT/emzrPVT+ujSdpi1QDdRPF95kJszIT+2DoDFZNgZGM=; X-YMail-OSG: s2mZMBEVM1mSlHrezui0rdQ3_M4aSURQWlntTrOjj5bcBJpUoJK36E9Ol.5i62gz9oaqs8B7qaKt6Q9sCiXbA1D4WhZV_Fu.Zs9DISaNDCOB_hMQdN3dpVNCq_2fsLVcfwDDNM_TCnouR1EKvRGMnrMSfQ-- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071203182027.806013BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, Agreed! Take for example the composer Olivier Messiaen who was interned (against his will) as a doctor in a German concentration camp. It was there that he composed the 'Quartet for the End of Time' and it was performed there for the entire camp... prisoners, guards, and staff. He said later that at no time in his entire career did he feel as 'understood' as at that performance. Sometimes it takes extraordinary conditions... Stephen (and no Travis, I'm not invoking Godwin's law here...) Chris Sewell schrieb: > I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the audience usually expects. Exactly that is the artistic challenge! Stefan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 336C43BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:33:24 -0500 References: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Now thats a tough room. On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:18 PM, S V G wrote: > > Stefan, > > Agreed! Take for example the composer Olivier Messiaen who was > interned (against his will) > as a doctor in a German concentration camp. It was there that he > composed the 'Quartet for the > End of Time' and it was performed there for the entire camp... > prisoners, guards, and staff. He > said later that at no time in his entire career did he feel as > 'understood' as at that > performance. > > Sometimes it takes extraordinary conditions... > > Stephen > > (and no Travis, I'm not invoking Godwin's law here...) > > > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42C123BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 634978147-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANZSVUdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCKY55mGs Message-ID: <4755C40A.8010401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:18:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-WRJUC.A.zgE.LQcVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very even. Frequency Response 36 Hz–120 Hz according to Mackie (no +-dB range given) ...so not low enough for a 6 string bass (lowest note 30Hz) > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about my setup with all the > Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too hard, admittedly. > Sorry, I probably went overboard on the criticism of the Mackie speakers. Compared to the average pa speaker I guess they're pretty good. Actually, I'd be quite keen to hear your setup from the description you give ;-) For Michael's diverse frame drums and layered vocals, though , I'd definitely go for the jbls. andy butler From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Tue Dec 4 21:49:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 34224 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:49:52 UTC Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EC13BEAF for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IzWjO-00070N-Jp for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:30 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! From: GoGo Cards Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:30 +0300
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 22:20:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4E413BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c836c3$dccbde50$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Bozzio Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:20:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Years ago, Missing Persons played the Civic Auditorium here in Santa Cruz. I had a gig that night and was incredibly bummed that I couldn't go see the show (they had torn it up the first time they came to the Catayst before they got big). After my gig I went to the Crepe Place (in it's old location) late in the evening and Terry and Dale Bozzio were sitting at a booth having a late meal. I nervously came up to them and said, "Gosh, I'm a huge fan of yours but I was so bummed that you guys played tonight and I couldn't go because I had a gig booked that I couldn't get out of." Terry said, "Oh thanks a lot for sharing that, would you like to sit down and have a meal with us.?" I was just blown away. I sat down and we had a meal together. Both Terry and Dale were amazingly nice people...........really unpretentious, intelligent, very funny with no 'star' vibe whatsoever. They had a really cool rapport with each other too and I was sad when they broke up in later years. They seemed made for each other (not that I know the story). That encounter had a huge impact on me. ******************************* Another thing I always dug about Terry was that he was unafraid to express himself in the way he dressed. He was wearing makeup and had black finger nail polish and a really cool look that these days would be considered goth. There was something about that really dark look with a truly genuine and kind human being that was really touching. I've always admired men who have the courage to press the boundaries of what's accepted in men's fashion in this culture. I've had the pleasure of meeting him a few times since then at Clinics and NAMM shows and he's always been really friendly (even though I"m sure he doesn't remember me at all). The other thing that's amazing about him is that he is making an entire living by playing solo drum concerts with no augmentation (looping, special effects, sequences, et. al.). That is just unprecedented in the musical world these days and takes almost superhuman skill. He's an amazing pioneer and I am a gigantic fan of his musical artistry. From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Tue Dec 4 22:32:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409C03BEB0 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IzgIX-000817-9o for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:31:25 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! From: GoGo Cards Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:31:25 +0300
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 22:58:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0333BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c836c9$2c73eba0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-XlXrC.A.YsH.6tdVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Yes, I've worked with JBL Eons a couple of times, but I think that there are a range of different models. I use the Mackie SRM450s in my PA and whilst I have the sub, I don't always need to use it, I wouldn't for frame drums as they don't go down low enough. I've been very happy with them. How about a good acoustic combo like an AER for example? Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > andy butler > michael wall wrote: >> Aloha >> >> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love >> >> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or >> p.a. to run it through. >> >> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically >> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be >> looping are: >> >> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) >> a variety of hand percussion >> multiple layers of vocals >> >> i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the >> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single >> source speaker system as well. >> >> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd >> be grateful for any recommendations. >> >> thanks! >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 23:48:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5557D3BEB0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal through the actual tube. In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signal through the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I believe in the $170-$200 range). Can anyone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small that sounds good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? thanks, in advance, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 00:59:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C3A3BEB0; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50013.69.59.203.72.1196816394.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) I'd recommend the Electro Harmonix 12ay7 Tube Mic Pre. It's a small mono full-voltage tube preamp that sounds really wonderful, and you can usually find it for around $160. I have 2 and I like them slightly less than my Neve's, which cost about 10x. The only negatives I see in the EH's is that they are relatively low gain, they are fine with most condensers or dynamics, but don't have enough gain to really handle ribbon mics. Also, it doesn't feel like the most solidly built box. But it really sound wonderful, I like running cheap Chinese small diaphragm condensers through it to tame their harshness. > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > through the actual tube. > > In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended > a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signal > through > the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I believe in the > $170-$200 > range). > > Can anyone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small > that sounds good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? > > thanks, in advance, > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 01:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0888E3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:59:57 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: bozzio + To: Message-id: <000a01c83643$488d7d00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Wow. This brings back a happy memory. I saw The Mark Isham Band when they played the Somerville Theatre in Cambridge MA at David Square, Wednesday Oct 12th 1988. Terry Bozzio and Mick Karn were in that band. Bozzio had black cymbals as I remember it. He was perched over his drums ready to whack them if they should move. Another percussionist / multi-insrumentalist was in the band as I remember it. It was an a m a z i n g show and has always stayed with me as one of the best shows I have *ever* seen. Maybe I was just in the right place in my life, but few shows have had such a glow about them for me as this one. Searching on line, I found this: http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_108/TECH_V108_S0733_P011.pdf It seems that night I also had opportunities to see The Titanics across the street at Johnny D's, The Stray Cats at Axis, The Radiators at The Channel, or John Cage lecturing earlier in the day at Harvard University! What an amazing selection! David P.S. I'm still offering ambient music 'n' downloads at http://www.myspace.com/undomusic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:33 AM Subject: Re: bozzio > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: > >Daryl Shawn wrote: > >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham > >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- > >Polytown. > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > > I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first > came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 > or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. > > Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 02:07:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 943A43BEB2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071204200751.iynai46j484wok0o@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:07:51 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:07:53 +0000 (UTC) >> >> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by >> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no >> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the >> audience usually expects. >> Exactly that is the artistic challenge! >> >> Stefan >> Stefan's statement (quoted above) pretty much sums up my philosophy =20 towards my electronic music/theremin/looping performances. While there is never a guarantee that every performance will reach the =20 audience, there is always the possibility. I'd rather pursue =20 possibilities rather than beat my head against barriers (real or =20 imagined.) I have been in situations where I really didn't know how my music =20 would be recieved and have been pleasantly surprised. I find that if =20 I am well-prepared and confident that the music comes through and I =20 get a good reaction from listeners. As this thread "computers suck creative energy" has progressed, I have =20 thought about the topic and concluded that there are a lot of things =20 that suck creative energy (fatigue, negativism). However, computers =20 have served me well. Yes, equipment and computers can take me off on =20 unproductive tangents. However, my unproductive tangents were more =20 time-consuming before personal computers became available. Now, I =20 can waste time quickly and efficiently. **grins** -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 03:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A603BEB0; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:55:22 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: bozzio + ISHAM To: Message-id: <001c01c836f2$a99d4120$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000a01c83643$488d7d00$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:53:07 +0000 (UTC) I might add that the day I received a myspace friend request and a really kind comment on my music from Mark Isham was quite a special day for me. :-) Isham's 'Vapor Drawings' is a very special collection of music for me. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:59 AM Subject: Re: bozzio + > Wow. This brings back a happy memory. > > I saw The Mark Isham Band when they played the Somerville Theatre in > Cambridge MA at David Square, Wednesday Oct 12th 1988. Terry Bozzio and > Mick Karn were in that band. Bozzio had black cymbals as I remember it. He > was perched over his drums ready to whack them if they should move. Another > percussionist / multi-insrumentalist was in the band as I remember it. It > was an a m a z i n g show and has always stayed with me as one of the > best shows I have *ever* seen. Maybe I was just in the right place in my > life, but few shows have had such a glow about them for me as this one. > > Searching on line, I found this: > http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_108/TECH_V108_S0733_P011.pdf > > It seems that night I also had opportunities to see The Titanics across the > street at Johnny D's, The Stray Cats at Axis, The Radiators at The Channel, > or John Cage lecturing earlier in the day at Harvard University! What an > amazing selection! > > David > > P.S. I'm still offering ambient music 'n' downloads at > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mech" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: bozzio > > > > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > >Daryl Shawn wrote: > > >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > > >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > > >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > > >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > > >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > > >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > > > > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham > > >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- > > >Polytown. > > > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > > > > I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first > > came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 > > or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. > > > > Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) > > > > --m. > > -- > > _____ > > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 06:00:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F6C3BEC5; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3346 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:00:17 UTC Message-ID: <000201c836fc$511ef160$3232a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:59:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-debian-Metrics: snail 1169; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:00:17 +0000 (UTC) ahhhh, how cute. As a lover of microscopic things (micro organisms, guitars, amps, etc), this is right down my alley! I wonder how it compares in tone with the Roland Microcube. The MIDI Moose makes a good companion to any of these smaller amps. I could do a gig in a phone booth with my mini guitar, microcube, computer, and MIDI Moose. Add another person, and I'd have to replace the computer and MIDI Moose with my Boss RC-2. Add a third person, and I loop with just my voice. No more people, please. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers of any kind.. same as this behringer, http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades and quick tweakings with midi learn function.. ... or this beauty ... http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/ I find small gear amusing and... cheaper! Thanks for the info Per, raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 06:01:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C373BEAC; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:01:45 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.7.63] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:49:44 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 05:49:44.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[A334ADE0:01C83702] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:01:45 +0000 (UTC) --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick:=20 Presonus makes both mono and stereo versions of their mic pre...very good l= ittle pre. =20 For a little more there is a very nice tube preamp by Summit Audio which yo= u may be able to find on ebay in your price range (used). =20 Max> From: looppool@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Su= bject: inexpensive small true mic preamps> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -= 0800> > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier> tha= t has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre.> > If memory serve= s me correctly, there was thread here where> someone said that the inexpens= ive tube mic pres, like the Art> where not true tube pres, sending only a s= mall amount of the signal> through the actual tube.> > In that thread , if = it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended> a small stereo tube preamp= lifier that actually passed all the signal through> the tube and also was n= ot prohibitively expensive (I believe in the > $170-$200> range).> > Can an= yone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small> that sounds = good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?> > thanks, in advance,> > Rick >=20 _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Init= iative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGLM= --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick:
Presonus makes both mono and stereo versions of their mic pre...very good l= ittle pre.
 
For a little more there is a very nice tube preamp by Summit Audio which yo= u may be able to find on ebay in your price range (used).
 
Max

> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
> Subject: inexpensive small true mic preamps
> = Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -0800
>
> I want to get either = a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier
> that has a small footprin= t and also is a true tube mic pre.
>
> If memory serves me cor= rectly, there was thread here where
> someone said that the inexpensi= ve tube mic pres, like the Art
> where not true tube pres, sending on= ly a small amount of the signal
> through the actual tube.
> > In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended<= BR>> a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signa= l through
> the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I beli= eve in the
> $170-$200
> range).
>
> Can anyone r= efresh my memory or at least recommend something, small
> that sounds= good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
>
> thanks, in advanc= e,
>
> Rick
>


You keep typing, we k= eep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Initiative now. Join in! = --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45A23BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=V1CCbw24GKZ9IVMUWFn85OVYvHDgMP4QLp9wJxM42NizNM0fz19/PVfzoL035Qp1DRdD15OyAEIsixhu0QZ6VfF21v83JtSYSRvMVgpRK8VAR5YY7qFRilDCjtrjMb0fYR1S1wKtIuIt/E/YzM0AVinlDfFR5D0HW5neF0GUwxs=; X-YMail-OSG: 0CyOMPQVM1kxg3CxJrjt7QZ1v2C1IywTLYhzvCPQM3.y5HCgy0HL9ikBsnETikTVjgOvfqxQcqyxHz4p0_q1tfLvbicDbtGX3iaiBlm9.uIoYsRSUuN.gc6VW1uJug-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c836c9$2c73eba0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <600346.17453.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:14:37 +0000 (UTC) I have the RCF 310a which are really natural sounding i still have to test them in a band situation but i am satisfied with them and they only weight 12kilos. If u can still find them the yamahas sm150 are amazing but they dont make them anymore,they have 12"s on them and the most compact and powerful ive tested so far in this category,they also only weight about 20kilos i guess they were meant as monitors so make sure you ge the mount adaptors! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > Yes, I've worked with JBL Eons a couple of times, > but I think that there are > a range of different models. I use the Mackie > SRM450s in my PA and whilst I > have the sub, I don't always need to use it, I > wouldn't for frame drums as > they don't go down low enough. I've been very happy > with them. > > How about a good acoustic combo like an AER for > example? > > Ian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > > > > hi Michael, > > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't > colour > > the sound a lot. > > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's > expensive, and relies > > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd > be very wary of). > > > > > > > > andy butler > > michael wall wrote: > >> Aloha > >> > >> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already > deeply in love > >> > >> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two > for a useful amp or > >> p.a. to run it through. > >> > >> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by > just fine acoustically > >> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 > people. What I'll be > >> looping are: > >> > >> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide > sonic range) > >> a variety of hand percussion > >> multiple layers of vocals > >> > >> i'm interested in something reasonably portable. > I have looked at the > >> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be > happy with a single > >> source speaker system as well. > >> > >> Those of you working in scenes which don't > require massive volume, I'd > >> be grateful for any recommendations. > >> > >> thanks! > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9573BEB2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MmSkLmtlDa2YiQ5AegY5G3XsaP4WeqMrO0bOqb5NYdCbDIhQiPSHKBT99Ll6t1mfZ2WQ3SxOM0rfDWtZ+XzjKHFzQC2il+ehtZ+eIhWFfZYMuwTJ0MK3+VYiVqQw/wRrH0RBdDEYp6j/GXSPVCnnG1OMvTsmnymt58MdCLN5Pcc=; X-YMail-OSG: UNNIrksVM1mLdqbsjy7Md_5PcEqBcsgn4RGVTY40eIhRoo8Lrg5FhIY_WxEb_YpYFw-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Thats interesting ive played with the 450s for years and i always thought they sounded too brittle and hissy but that is just my opinion.I also found them a bit heavy to carry,this is why i recently opted for the RCFs,they are only 300 watts with a 10" but they sound big have a nice spread out sound and weight a lot less,and i am also thinking of adding the Db technologies sub 15 subwoofer for that nice thump.I dont know how it is in the states but here people are very sensitive to loudness(except for the church bells beer festivals and carnavals offocurse)sometimes they even start asking if its going to be too loud before you even start playing!so this is what made me choose this speakers,i mean how loud do we need it or whats a nice and loud level for 300 to 400 hundred people venues or pubs which wont be sending people out the door calling the cops?has this been mesured or anybody has a link? and bigger venues often have their own sound systems anyway so why kill my back! cheers Luis > > I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add > that I apply EQ to my > mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In > general, when moving > away from a speaker the high end drops off faster > than the low end. > For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from > 3 feet away but > may sound just fine from 20 feet away. > > One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a > way to produce > loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. > Sometimes, a > two-channel setup will blast out people seated in > the speakers' hot > spots. To spread out the sound over multiple > channels helps to > prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a > digital organ the > sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, > and 4 room-modelling > channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if > being overly > loud, even when I crank it up!) > > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very > even. Some of the > cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok > for car crash and > explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript > for music. > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about > my setup with all > the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too > hard, admittedly. > > A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and > the provided > system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear > them from my > position on the stage however they seemed to work > well. > Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which > deprived the > listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I > was the only one > who knew about the missing notes. :) All the > other acts from that > stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the > Eon's worked fine > for that application. > > I have also played through and heard others play > through the Bose PAS. > Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to > do surround sound > (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If > you can get by with > a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. > > -- Kevin > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2597C3BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 637823639-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.248.242 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAI70VUdPSvjy/2dsb2JhbACCKakO Message-ID: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:48:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9K5H3B.A.Yo.WXmVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > through the actual tube. > hi Rick Yep, someone said that, but the reality is that a "true tube" pre means that the first bit of circuitry that a mic comes to is a special low noise high gain pentode valve that amplifies the signal up to line level. What cheaper models (and most of the more expensive ones)do is use an IC for that first stage and then pass the signal through a cheaper line level valve stage. "true tubes" aren't that common though, they're a bit noisier than the transistor equivalents. I get the feeling that some devices called "true tube" don't have the pentode. In any case, the "real thing" isn't cheap. Generally adding a tube is a way of marketing a pre-amp where the actual amplification is done by a cheap circuit. Good mic pres are expensive :-( ....but they make an awful lot of difference. I actually think you'd be better off getting a good transistor pre, (Focusrite stuff is getting cheaper) and then if you need tube sound get hold of a compressor of EQ that has a valve in the circuit. ...but hopefully some helpful LDer knows a reasonable enough pre with a valve on board somewhere for a bit of that valve color that you're after. andy From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Wed Dec 5 12:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128CD3BEA9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Iztjz-0003Dz-Go for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:52:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 12:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522FB3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.239.161] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 12:54:41.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[007421D0:01C8373E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this worked pretty well for me in a similar situation as long as you didnt = leave anything "open" on the first set for instance in my set up I had my h= ome made FCB replacement , then a splitter (A OR B) theneach of these conne= cted into each echoplex via a Y cable , then the spare input of each Y cabl= e being summed back to another echoplex controller via yet another Y cable = (controlling A AND B) If I had left one of the echoplexs on overdub then be= gan using the A AND B controller, it obviously began cycling one echoplex o= verdub on and the others off (which actually once i was awar of it could be= REALLY COOL for distributing one signal over a stereo pair) =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Fro= m: lochheed@cox.net> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pe= dals> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700> > Hello -> > I've converted 7 B= oss foot switches to handle the various functions > on my two Echoplexes. T= he pedals were gutted and fitted with the > proper resistors and wired in s= eries with standard patch cables The > setup works wonderfully! The feel of= the Boss switching is more > familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switche= s are certainly lasting > longer! In order to cut down the size of my board= , I'm using a Boss > LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss= pedals between > the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echo= plex with a > simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in s= tereo, > they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and a= re > always looping something different.> > Here's what's next for my setup= ....> > I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control t= he > Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME > T= IME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will.> > Te= ll me if you think this scenario will fly...> > After the 1/4" foot switch = cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs= . Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal int= o both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "me= rge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs indepe= ndently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop fo= r both.> > In theory, it sound like it should work.> > Any thoughts?> > Ada= m> > http://www.myspace.com/lochheed> > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml= --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this worked pretty well for me in a similar situation as long as you didnt = leave anything "open" on the first set for instance in my set up I had my h= ome made FCB replacement , then a splitter (A OR B) theneach of these conne= cted into each echoplex via a Y cable , then the spare input of each Y= cable being summed back to another echoplex controller via yet another Y c= able (controlling A AND B) If I had left one of the echoplexs on = overdub then began using the A AND B controller, it obviously began cycling= one echoplex overdub on and the others off (which actually once i was awar= of it could be REALLY COOL for distributing one signal over a stereo pair)=
 
Phill MyOneManBand
 
www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d

> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From: lo= chheed@cox.net
> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss = Pedals
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700
>
> Hello = -
>
> I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the variou= s functions
> on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitte= d with the
> proper resistors and wired in series with standard patc= h cables The
> setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switchi= ng is more
> familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are cert= ainly lasting
> longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I= 'm using a Boss
> LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom = Boss pedals between
> the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control = either Echoplex with a
> simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes a= ren't running in stereo,
> they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs = go to separate amps and are
> always looping something different.>
> Here's what's next for my setup....
>
> I'd lik= e to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the
> Rec= ord, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME
> TI= ME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will.
>= ;
> Tell me if you think this scenario will fly...
>
> = After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits
&g= t; two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record,
&= gt; Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll
>= probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to
&= gt; have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both.
&g= t;
> In theory, it sound like it should work.
>
> Any t= houghts?
>
> Adam
>
> http://www.myspace.com/loch= heed
>
>
>
>


Get closer to t= he jungle. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here! = --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 13:21:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9B43BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:21:42 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CDT9Vj5N7e61u+F0rRwp+mll4LEkgu6j/GnvVL1Oa9wF3cRl1Uj529c7pGiBZP5PrzqQSTFe6DZcRrm0lmfZuV5MmKQd3CcK97SVtNvVJ2ovEG7rn9hkiJC01Jdk/DgzZ5BKwX6jXgxjpaSpVFmG5UxOj3LNcsilvcrIHhA1JTc= ; X-YMail-OSG: HzXFfooVM1kOY69RCBbKeohFg9Ls6QqxZudtqoneCVK3T.jgzpKQYJ.nH_iUGIfkP.oEqtMMq7KZiLafdv30__EBqmhyCB93oFcTdxg.G3c9JoGV2Q-- Message-ID: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Infinite loopazoide looper Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:14:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5eelHD.A.6XG.mXqVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I just came accross this little software looper. I don't think this has already been discussed on this list (Srry if this is already known stuff) OVERVIEW Infinite loopazoide looper is a 4 phrase sampler/recorder for live use based on delay engines. It's a kind of Frippertronics. This plugin is for windows operating systems only. FEATURES -Host or manual tap tempo sync -Click track ( metronome ) -4 true stereo loop/delay players perfectly sync to tempo -Up to 60 seconds per loop -Low pass damper , feedback, volume, pan, mute settings for each loop/delay - 4 stereo outputs bus to apply your favorites effects or route each loop where you want. -Wav File recorder to capture your live performance ( formats: 16 bits mono/stereo ; 24 bits mono/stereo) -Ability to record stereo or mono input signal -Skin's color defined by the user -Fully automatable link: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/numerikart/products.htm Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 14:40:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125183BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:40:12 UTC Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.206.196.28] From: simeon harris To: Subject: RE: Facebook pages for musicians Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:35:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> References: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 14:35:10.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[09F914A0:01C8374C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) i got me one of those... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D225531659= 84 hit me up with some fan action! sim _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting =96 Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:38:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC5343BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1798 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:38:09 UTC Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:10:01 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c83755$0ac6aec0$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:09 +0000 (UTC) I've been doing an acoustic gig for the past four-five months using a JBL Eon as a monitor. It kicks major butt. I love it to death. It is so powerful yet neutral, it's what I wish the USA was. I just turned 54, I've been playing all kinds of gigs all my life, and these are the best speakers I've played through. (The venue owns the PA system, by the way. They actually put some serious money into a good sound system!) I've heard Mackie SRM450s on a couple of occasions, and thought they were really pretty good, but a bit "woofy" in the low mids - I had the impression I was hearing the plastic housing resonate in a funny way. The JBL Eons don't have that. They feel like a brick in the low end. I'm buying a pair as soon as I can afford them. (Although I am very intrigued by the RCF310a speakers that Luis posted about....) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A853BEB6; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:59:42 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003101c83750$d81dc480$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) > Rick Walker wrote: > > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > > through the actual tube. Let me preface this by saying that I have found very little need for a tube pre in either recording or live applications so far. I don't own another dedicated mic pre besides the ART Tube MP. I own two ART Tube MPs - the ones Musician Friend has been blowing out at $30 each, with the little analog VU meter on the face. A couple of months ago I had my studio assistant test one of them for "tube coloration." I gave her a box of 12AX7s, 12AT7s, 12AU7s, etc.; one of those MXL 990 series microphones; and a pair of Grado headphones. (So we're talking lowest of the low budget stuff. Bear with me.) She opened up the Tube MP, popped in a tube, and talked into the mic while listening with the Grados. Then she wrote down some comments on the sound. She went through over 40 tubes this way. The range of results was huge. Everything from "dull, muddy" to "warm, reserved" to "neutral" to ""bright" to "aggressive" to "edgy, raspy at high gain" to... you get the picture. Is this or is this not a "true tube pre?" I ask this somewhat innocently. I think that the ART Tube MP is running on a "starved plate" circuit, because I think that a 12A-7-type tube requires some heavy voltage to run in its normal range and of course the ART Tube MP is running on a little 12V wall wart. But so what? My assistant (whose ears are very trustworthy, and whose verbal skills are excellent) could hear and communicate significant differences between different tubes in this preamp. This little sucker also has a very pleasant compressor/limiter circuit, and many budget-minded engineers have called it their "Swiss Army knife" of audio signal manipulation. At $30, and with a few 12A-7 tubes, you could have a field day. One warning: the ribbon of wires that connects the base of the tube socket to the circuit board is VERY FRAGILE. As she was finishing up the testing, my assistant thought that the last couple of tubes didn't work. Then we saw that the ribbon had broken. Oh well, it was worth $30. I'm gonna buy a couple more. Discuss "true tube preamps" all you want, but I will pay closest attention to those who speak directly from experience. Has anyone done some tube swapping with the ART Tube MP and compared it to other tube pres? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E1183BEA9; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 718 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:51:07 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.11.225] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 15:39:09.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA13EED0:01C83754] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick: I have not bee very pleased with the ART stuff (altho' a lot of people are.= ..but then I am picky). The Presonus Tube Pre (which comes in single and d= ual channel versions) is quite nice and very affordable...but it still does= n't compare with the higher class (and costs) tube pres. Nonetheless, it is= quite a bargain at around $100 (mono). =20 I cannot remember the model of the Summit piece....but it was quite nice in= a 1/2 rack size. True tube...very well made and sounded superb, but was u= p around $400 (IIRC). =20 If your budget extends, then the UA solo 610 would be a VERY nice addition.= It is a very nice tube mic pre DI which is quite portable. But, in that same price range, I might throw out a suggestion of a VERY nic= e SS pre:Chameleon Labs 7602 which is a Neve clone...and a very good clone = (almost exact..but for several thousand $ less). =20 Max _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.=A0 Join i= n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline= --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick:
I have not bee very pleased with the ART stuff (altho' a lot of people are.= ..but then I am picky).  The Presonus Tube Pre (which comes in single = and dual channel versions) is quite nice and very affordable...but it still= doesn't compare with the higher class (and costs) tube pres. Nonetheless, = it is quite a bargain at around $100 (mono).
 
I cannot remember the model of the Summit piece....but it was quite nice in= a 1/2 rack size.  True tube...very well made and sounded superb, but = was up around $400 (IIRC).
 
If your budget extends, then the UA solo 610 would be a VERY nice addition.=   It is a very nice tube mic pre DI which is quite portable.
But, in that same price range, I might throw out a suggestion of a VERY nic= e SS pre:Chameleon Labs 7602 which is a Neve clone...and a very good clone = (almost exact..but for several thousand $ less).
 
Max


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Join in! = --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:41:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F096F3BEC2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 418 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:41:17 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dgz/uKuojLM4Mgnjfo7qHYGsOKiCsIiZvEffmcxf0oI=; b=Ll0oLdq0xR7xLCysiKn6EV7iMm/bIEd+uD7DVys4lRfNH5ed9o0SEQT2e8w0aD0McPuuECZDYtehU8mF4jqpnG9anuYlooH/8HzE/ijfh8LBS4wzCmvnGj2y1pKooOyhPCQcrKlVnuokjnwsuQkkOyBxgchxIG8GINhmr7q5psM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hPnzGfz5QdsEOT/1xTmxREt/35qho3TCy1Wrz873l9HS5FgOYlaZLHWSJEmjnlIXa3X1ghunUOskrhLcHaX7Nm/xFFh8vRfT5asCUvV9aXwpFFrzfy/pmQy0LXYzBzg9XgjrV+NniRP2yBZxfQt5N68y+svmOmqfdovXGOCmbFo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712050834j31d693ebp609d6a771899c0da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:34:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Infinite loopazoide looper In-Reply-To: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Looks cool. I had to read the manual to figure out if it was a VST plug in (it is). It says it has feedback--I wonder if that changes Midi velocity level? Definitely worth a download--Thanks Ben! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:17:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D18703BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1096 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:17:09 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=8xpuJ58DI51amqd0V8bvfWN32ZLd+QXzJMzYRBjCiOg=; b=VlFuBQQ0O4KOuk/+K6JvRHrNqBjvzbwSBFp4CPcxH/wLOJvvfNa4QuIxPcWcSBiEyd1m8kwcEd29RWyO9uGL5WQFlTBVB3ktfUcvkXX5/iSIBXUQljCSJt322GdBlJMkvXKehxwlAcqwkp1hA5BpLO69dO274eFRLy55xLsF7iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rlcql6U5Xs2ZiW4ho+zRI23Se2Vo+W8vEM5+yegZeF8duh057M8Tt7sFmZHbNQMq+MML7uFhmH/Uhk+8edO9Mw/VOLkF6m6HkaEYkdSXNyZ6uAza15ej1uh6VgzDe+7T5oqr7a0AtpDRwZY4oTMjcCfo9poH3l+Nf1XXCKPXwCI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:52:28 -1000 From: "michael wall" Sender: drumaloha@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Amp/P.A. Recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5075b71b593e5e60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:17:09 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the great info everyone! -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:34:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39033BEAF; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3tnCkvpbTGWJg4E1Z4WBnPi4cNlzydunNb73hlDsJ+o=; b=vNxhj1MejOhbiDYZhvob4rfw3FvFrQGOI1DJerF9zY8yDpkpd+8dk1yf7w4bzElUbGampsxGaI32jUU5W1eKsxaU/dq9qu4FtU8fCFY7RqD0IEbH8OfwYvKegvcNv0C5/DanLoCqodNfnk+LDvzcJ+xXUBGwW+r+yn1HVS4CZ6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jR3gY3QKoNn8mcuz1DpyDo7fz7sM92IkDffsVarSgaJBgcZM8X6+ZVIkr3RPOnwZAyNyn/oNGs149WkmOoegykjsqau18xluidJnNJBaNBspZGWJevNiIbcpG39yPyt85qunVFfuuEMt9DoW1nqJnSV0dMWgxbELe+iB5lpU6xU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:34:50 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <-3fvCC.A.rgF.9EuVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) I like the ART tube MP Studio. I use it with my guitar in front of a M-Audio revolution 5.1 PCI soundcard. I like a very high gain, distorted guitar sound, and the ART let's me add some grit and gain at the beginning of the signal chain. So my observations may not apply to different, cleaner instrument applications. At one point I had an M-Audio audio buddy, Art Tube MP studio, Studio Projects VTB-1 and Behringer ultragain preamp all in the same room. To my ear the VTB-1 sounded best, but the ART was very, very close and a lot cheaper. The Behringer had an abrupt decay at the tail end of soft notes that was _very_ noticeable with high gain guitar. The audio buddy didn't have adjustments for both input and output levels, so it wasn't as useful for my application. I returned the others and kept the Tube MP. I also tried a Rolls preamp that mounts in a 3.5" computer drive bay. It's a cool idea, but the Rolls picked up noise from the computer and was unusable. The Studio Projects VTB-1 is only around $100 and is worth a listen: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Studio-Projects-VTB1-Tube-Blend-Mic-Preamp?sku=180360 These are all starved plate (not "true tube") designs, but they sound good to my ear. I gather preamps are like speakers and can be a matter of individual taste. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827023BECD; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4756E36D.4060208@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:44:13 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) I bought a VTB-1 last year after reading a lot of reviews and auditioning the Art and M-Audio against it - I found both of them to have a bit of harshness as compared to the VTB, and I decided the VTB was definitely worth the relatively small additional cost. I've been extremely pleased with it, especially the features such as a pot for amount of tube coloration (I find I like it heavy on the tube for vocals, light for acoustic guitar), hi-pass filter, phase reverse, instrument input on the front panel, and switchable metering between input and output. It adds a bit of hiss when heavy on the tube, but has a good amount of gain which makes up for that and I've never found it to be a big problem. I'm thinking of buying another. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > At one point I had an M-Audio audio buddy, Art Tube MP studio, Studio > Projects VTB-1 and Behringer ultragain preamp all in the same room. To > my ear the VTB-1 sounded best, but the ART was very, very close and a > lot cheaper. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:03:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBDA3BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c83779$ef8dd780$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <1rzid.A.vTC.KQwVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) I think that my SRM450s sound great with my A&H WZ16/2 desk but they don't sound as good with my smaller Behringer Xynex mixer. I've used them for electric gigs; but mainly for acoustic acts generally with very quiet atentive audiences and I've had tgreat feedback (no pun!) about the sound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Thats interesting ive played with the 450s for years and i always thought they sounded too brittle and hissy but that is just my opinion.I also found them a bit heavy to carry,this is why i recently opted for the RCFs,they are only 300 watts with a 10" but they sound big have a nice spread out sound and weight a lot less,and i am also thinking of adding the Db technologies sub 15 subwoofer for that nice thump.I dont know how it is in the states but here people are very sensitive to loudness(except for the church bells beer festivals and carnavals offocurse)sometimes they even start asking if its going to be too loud before you even start playing!so this is what made me choose this speakers,i mean how loud do we need it or whats a nice and loud level for 300 to 400 hundred people venues or pubs which wont be sending people out the door calling the cops?has this been mesured or anybody has a link? and bigger venues often have their own sound systems anyway so why kill my back! cheers Luis > > I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add > that I apply EQ to my > mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In > general, when moving > away from a speaker the high end drops off faster > than the low end. > For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from > 3 feet away but > may sound just fine from 20 feet away. > > One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a > way to produce > loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. > Sometimes, a > two-channel setup will blast out people seated in > the speakers' hot > spots. To spread out the sound over multiple > channels helps to > prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a > digital organ the > sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, > and 4 room-modelling > channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if > being overly > loud, even when I crank it up!) > > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very > even. Some of the > cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok > for car crash and > explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript > for music. > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about > my setup with all > the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too > hard, admittedly. > > A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and > the provided > system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear > them from my > position on the stage however they seemed to work > well. > Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which > deprived the > listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I > was the only one > who knew about the missing notes. :) All the > other acts from that > stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the > Eon's worked fine > for that application. > > I have also played through and heard others play > through the Bose PAS. > Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to > do surround sound > (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If > you can get by with > a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. > > -- Kevin > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:09:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C336A3BECC; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, >From reviews I've read it's also about the voltage that's applied to the tube. Although not a complete indicator, I think that generally preamps with external low voltage power supplies use low voltages to heat up the tube. Having said this, I've got an ART Tube MP and, whilst not as good as my Drawmer 1960 of course, it's a great little unit and does colour the sound nicely. You could try the TL Audio FatMan or the Fat2 (I have the Fat2) and it's a tube pre with a tube compressor and is about 4U high, but half rack width. - it sounds great and they sometimes go secondhand (no longer made). Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps > > > Rick Walker wrote: >> I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier >> that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. >> >> If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where >> someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art >> where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal >> through the actual tube. >> > > hi Rick > > Yep, someone said that, but the reality is that a "true tube" pre means > that the first bit of circuitry that a mic comes to is a special low noise > high gain pentode valve that amplifies the signal up to line level. What > cheaper models (and most of the more expensive ones)do is use an IC for > that first stage and then pass the signal through a cheaper line level > valve stage. > > "true tubes" aren't that common though, they're a bit noisier than the > transistor equivalents. > I get the feeling that some devices called "true tube" don't have the > pentode. > In any case, the "real thing" isn't cheap. Generally adding a tube is a > way of marketing a pre-amp where the actual amplification is done by a > cheap circuit. > > Good mic pres are expensive :-( > ....but they make an awful lot of difference. > > I actually think you'd be better off getting a good transistor pre, > (Focusrite stuff is getting cheaper) and then if you need tube sound > get hold of a compressor of EQ that has a valve in the circuit. > > ...but hopefully some helpful LDer knows a reasonable enough pre with a > valve on board somewhere for a bit of that valve color that you're after. > > andy > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:26:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00353BEB6; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=kuu7Fp7QTllZenpj5uKjJ+ZXAmPeZmn+01KdqoT6814=; b=B5rf3ZPZ1pzwhtkJRvMV4Eh78Ty19R6xNxSja9Vh8nRnpU/gONODyXPyZTpwLZMS9Pd2ZzDsuhPnlAEswmH6W7RvI8fazcmtGZwEHCoJp65Je2bFMndXcN+lEzVcqI3it3basBzLs0JY0TwDxbsTMU1A28iXCcr7jVl1TNqy39A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WEPzGP9kvjxYXXApLy5zESt5B2lNjbi86c9iQaanrJUwUujwfSn5kIDS0bhXTXBDv29NAp+tDL+gnuhFKfAVWy2hK9b+xgEtVR96Eczde66XPrvyoT39if5ikOaodT0TbojdO1y6HFJ+Sks9POOZ4XoMHrxNClsdI9p3bWWVTs0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712051526h2dfd7630sad2c0b5b6193b018@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:26:43 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new work on My Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks... In addition to my guitar work I experiment with other instruments one being the violin which is "new" to me but have quite a bit of passion for. I recently launched a new My Space page to display this work. Some of the trax were done via Mobius which is also "new" to me. when time/interest peruse at and friend if you like... http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro Thanks and good upcoming holidays to all... Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (solo violin) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi folks...
 
In addition to my guitar work I experiment with other instruments one being the violin which is "new" to me but have quite a bit of passion for.  I recently launched a new My Space page to display this work.   Some of the trax were done via Mobius which is also "new" to me.
 
when time/interest peruse at and friend if you like...
 
 
Thanks and good upcoming holidays to all...
 
Jim

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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (solo violin) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8239C3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <7D339B28-C494-43D6-BEF2-D1FD9CCA7572@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--452240574 From: lochheed Subject: RE: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:44:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--452240574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Update: I may have spoke a little too soon by saying the Boss LS-2 worked great in switching my Custom Boss pedal between my dual EDPS. I'm now experiencing random failures in that the signals aren't making it to the Echoplexes. I've traced this down to the LS-2 since the Custom Boss foot switches work great with one EDP. I'm guessing this has to do with the resistance the AB box is adding to the 1/4 cable. I may just have to add another 7 gutted Boss pedals to control the 2nd EDP. Adam > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: lochheed@cox.net > Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700 > > Hello - > > I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the various functions > on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitted with the > proper resistors and wired in series with standard patch cables The > setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more > familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are certainly lasting > longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a Boss > LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss pedals between > the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with a > simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in stereo, > they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and are > always looping something different. > > Here's what's next for my setup.... > > I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the > Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME > TIME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will. > > Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... > > After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. > > In theory, it sound like it should work. > > Any thoughts? > > Adam > > http://www.myspace.com/lochheed --Apple-Mail-3--452240574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Update:=A0I may have spoke a = little too soon by saying the Boss LS-2 worked great in switching my = Custom Boss pedal between my dual EDPS. I'm now experiencing random = failures in that the signals aren't making it to the Echoplexes. I've = traced this down to the LS-2 since the Custom Boss foot switches work = great with one EDP.=A0I'm guessing this has to do with the resistance = the AB box is adding to the 1/4 cable.

I may just have to add = another 7 gutted Boss pedals to control the 2nd EDP.

Adam =A0

> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss = Pedals
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 = -0700
>=A0
> Hello = -
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> I've = converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the various = functions=A0
> on my two Echoplexes. The = pedals were gutted and fitted with the=A0
> proper resistors and wired in series with standard = patch cables The=A0
> setup works = wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more=A0
> familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are = certainly lasting=A0
> longer! In = order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a = Boss=A0
> LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch = the custom Boss pedals between=A0
> the two = Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with = a=A0
> simple switch. Even though the = Echoplexes aren't running in stereo,=A0
> they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to = separate amps and are=A0
> always = looping something different.
>=A0
> Here's what's next for my = setup....
>=A0
> I'd like to = add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control = the=A0
> Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for = BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME=A0
> TIME. Sort = of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you = will.
>=A0
> Tell me if = you think this scenario will fly...
>=A0
> After the 1/4" foot switch = cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits=A0
> two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a = "Master" Record,=A0
> Mute, Insert = and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll=A0
> probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" = box. I'd like to=A0
> have the = option to not only control the EDPs independently but = also=A0
> have the option to Record, Mute, = Insert and Next Loop for both.
>=A0
> In theory, it sound like it = should work.
>=A0
> Any thoughts?
>=A0
> Adam
>=A0
= --Apple-Mail-3--452240574-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:49:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDBA3BEC2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F2yilCgdyL3JID3XbJTT1pGJWWH4woUoi53F9Ei4wkp8pcTYGHw21cmFyhzKSC6NZCP1VVrmKcJZMb1KR/+gPIOIjBn9/aktxhs3XMPY5WlyUU3zHt4xBMAskLlLV/EWxkSjFqWtluAOshqreoqLNx1AXHKAE/bVkeYixLVqdtI=; X-YMail-OSG: lVkF8j0VM1no70yoK8mXyue_i_tYO._3SEKItJ.TQXwUiMRybWo4pNXWWkTkvTnQhAcsZz.KS6_Mi1KZOUf38RDU.jIFho5KiEOLjy6OW3eEbfgxSJ5MIz6RcL1KR1V2.wzi30ZpEyK3UZqqOZH6Og-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592699.95958.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:49:50 +0000 (UTC) I have not found much better for the money than Ultrasound all the way!!! Great service, friendly people to talk to one on one! I love these amps the response is as transparent very little electronic coloring at all. 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Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 00:55:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374323BED5; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3923 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:55:46 UTC Message-Id: <3C50EF5B-E1B8-4945-8FB2-BE2988235A01@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: RE: Facebook pages for musicians Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:50:18 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) I recently wrote a blog posting about the Facebook for musicians mess - http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/2007/11/facebook_for_mu.html have a read if you like, links to all my facebook musical stuffs is in the blog... :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 03:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8011D3BED9; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:01:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys for all the valuable advice. I just went and checked out the recommended Studio Projects VTB-1 and I think I"m in heaven: Not only does it have balanced XLR and line cable ins and outs but it also has a tip/ring sleeve insert................I won't need a mixer!!!!